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N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.

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I have great respect for Knowledgefight.

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Knowledgefight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.

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Knowledgefight.

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Dan and Jordan.

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Knowledgefight.

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I need money.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Stop it.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Andy and Kansas.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a victim caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your room.

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Knowledgefight.

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N-N-N-N-Knowledgefight.com.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes.

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I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex

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Jones.

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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

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The king of the road.

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King of the road?

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No.

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I mean, you know, praise.

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Sure.

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How you doing?

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I'm all right.

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Better than you.

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I have a question for you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What's your bright spot today, buddy?

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Why don't you go first?

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You need it.

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Yeah.

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Well, my bright spot is last night I went to CYSK, Comedians You Should Know, of which

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you are an alumnus.

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Sure.

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Emeritus.

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You have been known.

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Comedian emeritus.

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Yes, yes, absolutely.

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I hosted it a couple times.

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Our friend Marty DeRosa once famously said that I quote, redefined what it means to debut

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at CYSK.

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That's right.

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It's very generous.

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Very complimentary.

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Redefined it.

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I think that was just because I ran the light accidentally by like three minutes.

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Oh, that's not a good idea.

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I didn't see it.

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Ah, that'll happen.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, I went there.

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It was a great show.

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I got to see Marty DeRosa, the aforementioned.

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He hadn't done standup in a long time.

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First time up in forever and I can't believe how hard he crushed it.

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He's great.

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It was ridiculous how good he is.

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Very funny dude.

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And then Kristen Toomey.

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Very funny as well.

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I've known her since I started comedy 12 years ago.

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Amazing.

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I love her.

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She was awesome.

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Yeah.

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And it's just, it was great to see him.

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Fun.

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Yeah.

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And my car got towed.

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Right.

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And I walked around downtown Chicago until about 1am when I finally just got on the train

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and went home.

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Yeah.

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That's fun too when there's no resolution.

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Nope.

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It's super awesome when your car gets towed, you stumble around trying to get it out of

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lock up.

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Trying to find it.

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And then I was like, I'm not going to do this tonight.

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It's not going to happen.

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That does suck.

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I know that it's not good as an experience to have your car towed anywhere.

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Right.

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But I think in Chicago it's a particularly miserable experience.

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Oh yeah.

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No.

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No, it's the worst.

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Yeah.

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Thankfully I've never had a car while I've lived here so I've never had to suffer this

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but I've been around a number of people who have, that fate has befallen them and yeah,

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it's bad news.

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The first time I lived in Chicago when I was 19 I had my car towed and again, it was about

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1am.

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Yeah.

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My cousin had already gone to sleep.

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I had walked about two miles to his place and he had already gone to sleep so I had

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to walk another three and a half miles back to my place.

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Ooh.

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Yeah.

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It was not great.

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It was a bad night.

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It was a bad night.

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Sounds pretty bad.

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Don't get your car towed in Chicago.

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Anyways, what's your bright spot?

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I feel like my actual bright spot is stuff I can't really get into yet.

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Right.

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Sort of side project-y kind of stuff.

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Okay.

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That may be coming down the road but I feel like that's teasing and kind of not appropriate

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so that's what my bright spot is.

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My car didn't get towed.

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I guess your bright spot is rubbing it in.

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Just having a little fun.

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Put a little, rub a little dirt on it, crybaby.

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So Jordan, today we had an interesting episode to go over.

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We're going to be talking about February 8th, 2022.

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Oh, that'll be fun.

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This episode is pretty extreme on Alex's part.

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He's very scared about some stuff and then it really blows up in his face.

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Uh oh.

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So there's a fun arc to this and I'm excited to get into it but first, let's take a little

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moment to say hello to some new wonks.

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Oh, that's a great idea.

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So first, Tallest Purple, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next, Use Code Knowledge Fight for 50% off at MyPillow.com.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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If Mike Lindell really did want to fuck with us, that would be a good way for him to do

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it.

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That would be amazing.

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That would be amazing.

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It seems like there's actually...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's not even...

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Oof.

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We don't own two words.

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Next, the Books That Burn Podcast, currently reading River of Teeth by Sarah Gailey.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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I had to do that now because otherwise it wouldn't be currently reading.

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Right.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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So also we got two technocrats in the mix, Jordan.

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Ooh.

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So first, Salisteen, thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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And I Never Realized How Orange Alex Is.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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I have risen above my enemies.

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I might quit tomorrow, actually.

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I'm just going to take a little break, you know.

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A little breaky for me, and then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show

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over.

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But I'm the devil.

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I've got to be taken over here.

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I've been in all this...

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you.

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I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World

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Order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.

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Maybe today should be my last broadcast.

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Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.

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Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.

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That's really what I want to do.

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I never want to come back here again.

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I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns

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on air.

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I'll be better tomorrow.

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He may be better.

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He may not be.

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I appreciate one thing about that drop more than any other, which is Dan, you have broken

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both mine and every other policy wonks brain because I cannot get away from take a little

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break.

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Take a little break.

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Everyone is doing it.

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A little break.

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You can't not do it.

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Every time you want to take a break, all of a sudden you're like, Oh, take a little breaky.

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Sure.

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And anytime you need anything, you yell mama to you.

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I know it's too bad.

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It's brutal.

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Your drops have broken the brains of many, many a wonk.

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I'm just doing my part.

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I appreciate it.

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So Alex has a overarching narrative on this show, and it essentially has to do with the

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situation with Russia and Ukraine.

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And this is before Alex's actual show bumper starts.

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He's just muttering over.

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So here's how he begins.

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Ladies and gentlemen, this is a maximum red alert.

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Vladimir Putin is officially threatened worldwide thermal nuclear war.

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If NATO continues their invasion, red alert, maximum alert, tune in now, spread the word.

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Info Wars, the most band network in the world.

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So that's the sting.

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And then it goes into his bumper and he starts the show.

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So that's how you know this is serious.

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Ladies and gentlemen, a total thermonuclear war begins now.

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Info Wars.

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So yeah, there were some comments that Putin made after his press conference, or I guess

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it was in the press conference after his meeting with Emmanuel Macron recently.

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And there's some talk of moving some missiles and what have you.

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This may be interpreted as a direct threat of nuclear war and escalation, but either

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way it's not great, but I think Alex might be a little bit buck wild on this.

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It's important to understand any kind of threat that Russia may be making vis-a-vis discussing

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their nuclear capabilities in the context of political history, because Putin and his

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administration do this a lot.

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No, I've never heard of them doing this before.

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In 2014, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov threatened nuclear action against Ukraine if they tried

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to take back Crimea.

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In 2007, they warned Poland and the Czech Republic that they could still nuke them,

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even with Western anti-missile defenses, attempting to dissuade the countries from letting the

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US put these defense systems in their country to begin with.

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Right.

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That's a lot, and there's a pretty simple explanation.

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It's one of the very few pieces of leverage that Putin and Russia actually have at their

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disposal to use.

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And because of that, it's become a state policy to use threats of nuclear war in order to

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de-escalate situations that couldn't be de-escalated otherwise.

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So Putin came into power in 2000, and shortly after that, that April, he put in place a

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new military doctrine, which replaced many key parts of the previous doctrine that had

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been put in in 1993.

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One of the main pieces that's relevant to us now is that in the original version, nuclear

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arms could only be used, quote, in cases of a threat to the existence of the Russian Federation.

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The new version expanded this to allow for their use, quote, in response to large-scale

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aggression utilizing conventional weapons in situations critical to the national security

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of the Russian Federation.

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They opened it up a little bit.

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Right, right, right.

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Which is what you want from nuclear weapons policy.

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Sure.

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The former head of Poland's National Security Bureau, Stanislaw Koże, explained how this

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works in practice in an article from Politico Europe, quote, the numerous events of Russian

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nuclear blackmailing add up to the Russian strategy of information warfare, which aims

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to intimidate the West and enable Russia to reconstruct its sphere of influence in ex-Soviet

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Union states.

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It's a PR tactic.

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Right.

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So it's a bluff, but not one that you ever want to risk calling.

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Not a fun bluff.

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Don't fuck with that bluff.

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Yeah.

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Many folks who speak on the matter view this as a propaganda tactic, because ultimately

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this nuclear deterrence also exists within the nuclear deterrence that many NATO countries

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also have nuclear capabilities.

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Right.

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So it goes both ways.

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And Russia knows that if they were to actually use those nukes that they're posturing like

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they're going to, the response would be swift and devastating for all parties.

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Their ultimate goal of protecting the Russian Federation from NATO influence wouldn't be

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served by the Russian Federation getting nuked, but the goal can be served by threatening

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to use nukes and banking on that threat being enough to intimidate and change the behaviors

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of NATO and the countries in the region that wish to join it.

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Right.

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This is a really serious situation and things are tense, but it's important to recognize

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how little Alex engages with any of this shit.

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Putin has said that he's going to move some missiles, perhaps, and Alex starts his show

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doing this grotesque movie trailer voice about thermonuclear war.

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When you recognize that the threats that Putin is deploying are part of his information warfare

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strategy, then you have to realize that all Alex is doing is either wittingly or unwittingly

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amplifying and playing right into that strategy.

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The more this threat is hyped, the greater the chance of forcing a NATO de-escalation

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and capitulation to Putin's demands.

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Right.

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Again, the world is completely insane in 2022 and many things that would have been seen

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by conventional wisdom in the past 20 years as being impossible, I don't know if that

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holds true anymore, so I don't want to entirely downplay this situation.

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The point I want to make is just that if Alex were half the geopolitical expert he pretends

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to be, he wouldn't engage with this piece of news this way, saying that Russia is threatening

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thermonuclear war, and he's going to get really extreme with it.

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I mean, I think it's probably a bad idea, but that's just because I've never seen total

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nuclear war before, so, you know, maybe there are some positives that I haven't considered,

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you know?

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I haven't lived through one.

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Yeah.

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I think that Alex really likes to use the specter of that possibility as, like, a way

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to excite people, and that stinks.

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The end of all human life, come on baby, let's get it up!

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So Alex has this story about Putin, and he has a source on it, but it actually isn't

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his source, right?

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So the source isn't a Daily Mail article.

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Okay.

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That's where it starts.

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Right.

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Alex did so much more digging on this thing, man.

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Did he?

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We'll see, we'll see.

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Okay, alright.

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On the edge of thermal nuclear war, when I saw this quote this morning in the Daily Mail,

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I had trouble believing it, so I went and searched some of the quotes and found it nowhere

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else in the Western news.

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So then our crew spent some time and found it in Russian, and we checked it and had it

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submitted, and indeed we found a version that has subtitles, where Vladimir Putin, the president

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of Russia, has threatened nuclear war, and said, within the blinking of an eye, he says,

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you won't have time to blink your eye if NATO continues its Article 5 takeover, I've got

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the quotes right here in the video, of Ukraine in this proxy war, we're going to basically

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stop you.

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Basically is in there, apparently.

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So Alex is trying to pretend that he did all this legwork, and the crew dug up and found

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intel about this Putin speech that isn't in this Daily Mail article he read, but spoiler

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alert, that's all bullshit.

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Eventually Alex plays this translation that they supposedly came up with, and it's just

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literally the video that's embedded in the Daily Mail article.

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It even has the Daily Mail logo on it.

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Sure, yeah.

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It's ridiculous.

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But, you know, they got it from Russia.

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Right.

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And they're reading the subtitles, too, that are in that video.

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Of course.

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He didn't do any translating.

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He didn't do any translation.

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It's nothing.

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What a dick.

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He's pretending that he did a ton of work on this story, because he wants to create

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the impression that he has access to information that the rest of the world and the media doesn't

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have access to, or they're choosing not to talk about.

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Exactly.

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So in reality, you can really easily find an English translation of this entire speech

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that Putin gave on the Kremlin's website.

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And Alex's version is just the Daily Mail version, and it doesn't really match the claims

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even that he's making.

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It still doesn't match up.

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I just like hearing that the Kremlin has a website.

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How stupid is that?

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Isn't that kind of silly?

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Like, in your brain, the Kremlin.

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I think most governments have a repository.

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Everybody has a website, but it's kind of silly.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if it's any sillier than the White House having a website.

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Well, I think they're all silly.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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At least it's not, like, a blog spot.

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Yeah.

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Kremlin.substack.

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Sure.

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One day.

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One day soon.

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Yeah, you're probably not wrong.

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So the message that Alex wants to send is that Putin was saying that if Ukraine joins

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NATO, you won't have time to blink your eye because there's going to be nukes shot off.

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That isn't really accurate to the transcript provided by the Kremlin.

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There is a reference to something happening speedily.

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In this case, in the heartbeat instead of a blink.

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But it's not necessarily about nukes.

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It's about how if Ukraine goes into NATO and Russia attacks Crimea, which they interpret

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as defending Crimea because Russia views it as their own, then, quote, in a heartbeat,

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all of the NATO countries would be drawn into a war with Russia because of the rules of

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Article 5, which state that if one country is attacked in the group, everyone comes to

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their defense.

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Right.

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There are slight differences, but these are the fingerprints of a lack of exploration

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that Alex did on the topic that he seems to want to, like, he wants to make it look like

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he's taking this very seriously and did a lot of digging into it, and he's missing,

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like, the actual contours and context of what is being talked about.

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Right.

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And that's kind of irresponsible, especially when the topic is impending nuclear war.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is covering this like he has done intense digging and that he's really gotten

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to the bottom of this thing in a way that no one else has, and he feels like no one

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else, no other media outlet is covering it the way that InfoWars is.

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Oh, that is true.

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The headlines are all about Russia makes a fool of Macron by denying that Putin agreed

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to deal.

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But that's not what the headline really should state.

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InfoWars got the headline right when we took the quote and posted it.

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Vladimir Putin warns a nuclear war could break out if Ukraine joins NATO.

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So this headline that Alex has of, like, humiliating Macron, that's the Daily Mail headline of

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one of their articles.

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The other article is Putin threatens nuclear war.

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So they have two articles, one of which is essentially the same headline as the one that

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he is arguing that no one has.

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Right.

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And I think that he just didn't look for anything, or he's lying about what outlets used as their

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headlines.

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Oh, he did so much digging.

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How could he not know?

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So there was this in the Metro.

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Quote, Putin uses dire threat of nuclear war in Europe if he doesn't get his way.

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Well, they got it wrong.

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Or there's the Daily Beast.

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Quote, Putin threatens nuclear war over Ukraine.

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They didn't say InfoWars stuff.

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Newsweek had quote, Ukraine crisis could lead to nuclear war under new strategy.

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Okay, well, that one's exactly right.

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Days before this, the Financial Times ran the headline, quote, US believes Russia plans

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nuclear exercise to warn West over Ukraine.

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Fun.

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Which seems to fit in with the larger picture of how this rhetoric has been traditionally

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used by Putin.

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Pence isn't discussing any exclusive news.

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Plenty of other outlets are running with the same lead as him.

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And more importantly, he didn't put a single unit of effort into this reporting, since

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it's just him riffing on a Daily Mail article while pretending that he and his team scoured

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the internet for raw footage of the speech and translated it.

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This is just a performance of trying.

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Yeah, that's, that's brazen.

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It is.

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That's brazen, because nobody really thinks you did that much research, man.

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Nobody does.

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But it's funny to imagine that this is all true.

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This is the result of all of his digging.

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Well, but, let's play a fun game.

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Okay.

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So Alex finds this Daily Mail article, and he's like, I don't know, I can't take this,

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I can't take this seriously.

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Can't trust it.

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So he goes searching.

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Can't find anything else on the internet, so all of his people finally find it in Russian,

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and they translate it, and they dig even deeper, and they find a video that has subtitles,

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and it happens to be the same video that's in the Daily Mail article.

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I'm gonna go even further down the stupid rabbit hole.

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I'm gonna say, they went to the Daily Beast article, and they were like, there's no way

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this can be true.

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So they went to dailybeast.ru.

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Dailymail.

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Dailymail.ru, and got it in Russian, had Daria retranslate it back into English.

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That's that thing that makes any kind of Russian translation seem believable, because Daria

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works there.

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Yes, exactly.

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So that someone there speaks Russian, but that plausibility still doesn't make any of

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this make sense.

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No.

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He didn't do any of this work.

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No, but any time we talk about anything in Russian, he's gonna have to be like, we had

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somebody, oh, I had a crack team translating it.

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So we get to this Daily Mail video, Alex plays it, and then reads the subtitles over it,

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and there are some very slight differences between this and the Kremlin transcript that

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I want to discuss, because I think it does actually change some of the meaning.

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Interesting.

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So let's go ahead and roll that video of Putin.

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Take the cube down for me a second, read it please.

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I've been saying it, but I very much want you to finally hear me, and to deliver it

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to your audience in print, TV and online.

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So this part in the Daily Mail video matches the Kremlin transcript pretty closely, where

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theirs is, quote, I want to reiterate, I've said this before, and I would really like

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you to hear me this time and convey this message to your readers, viewers, and internet users.

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There's a prior context that's missing, however, because this is just where the Daily Mail

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video begins, and Alex has no idea of what happened right before this.

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The question that Putin is answering is, quote, is Mr. Macron your only dialogue partner in

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Europe?

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You said he was a good conversationalist.

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Do you consider him as an intermediary to convey your message to Europeans?

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Sure, a very good question.

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So this is something that will matter later, as it relates to the larger point of Putin,

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what he's saying, which we'll get to here in a moment.

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But that gives some idea of why he's saying what he's saying, because this is a response

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to that question.

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Right, right, right, right.

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So here's where we get a little bit more context, right, immediately after this.

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This is all straight through.

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I didn't cut anything out.

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Do you understand, it or not, that if Ukraine joins NATO and attempts to bring Crimea back

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by military means, the European countries will be automatically pulled into a war in

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conflict with Russia?

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So this is really the point of Putin's answer.

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If Ukraine joins NATO, Russia is not going to respect Ukraine's claim to Crimea, which

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will lead to conflict.

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And because Ukraine will be then a member of NATO, all the other NATO countries will

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have to defend them, which puts them immediately into conflict with Russia.

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This is important to understand in the context of the question, because it has to do with

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the message that he's hoping to send to these leaders of European countries that would be

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affected by this and sucked into that war conflict.

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It's essentially an attempt to blackmail the European countries to not support Ukraine

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joining NATO, because if they do, the question of Crimea will become their problem, and Putin

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is signaling in advance that he's not going to budge on it.

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That's the message of this.

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Hey, listen, listen.

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I'm not saying that anybody's going to do any harm to you if you join NATO.

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I'm just saying that other things that are already in place could be a problem for you.

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I'm just saying don't join NATO or do.

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I don't even fucking care, man.

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You do you, and all I'm saying is we'll see what fucking happens.

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It's less even a message to Ukraine to not join NATO.

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It's like don't support their joining NATO, because then this is going to be on you.

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Literally don't let them join NATO.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Because if you do, they're going to get into a fight with us, and now you're in a fight

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with us.

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Yes.

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Do you want that France?

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Do you want that Germany?

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Or NATO is useless.

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If you let them join NATO and then you're like, well, we are going to let Russia take

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Crimea, then there's no point in NATO, period.

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Well, spoiler alert, there have been a number of times that everybody coming to the aid

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of the party has not necessarily happened.

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It's very weird.

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So the clip goes on.

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Of course, NATO and Russia, potentials are incomparable.

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We understand it, but we also understand that Russia is one of the leading nuclear states.

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And by some modern components, it even outperforms many.

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So this is a subtle hint towards the threatening of using nukes, but it's not really a direct

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threat.

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This is Putin expressing that he's well aware that NATO's combined military strength outweighs

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his, but he has a nuclear deterrent.

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So pure military strength isn't the only determining factor here.

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This doesn't read to me to be a strong threat to use a nuke because you have to remember

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the context.

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This is about Crimea and the dominoes that will fall if Ukraine joins NATO and Russia

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doesn't give up their claim to the area.

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This will lead to war, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to lead to a nuclear

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war because that would kind of be counterproductive towards settling what's essentially a regional

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territorial dispute.

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I'm not saying that it couldn't spiral out of control, but you know, what would they

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do?

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Nuke Crimea?

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That's not in their interests.

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No, no, no.

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Look, Crimea is part of the Russian Federation and that's why we have to nuke all of Europe.

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Does that not make sense to everybody?

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It makes perfect sense.

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I understand how the fear and the anxieties around regional conflicts getting out of control

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to the point where they absorb the entire world.

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Right.

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We've seen that before.

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I respect that anxiety.

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I understand it.

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It was a problem last time.

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Well, not the last time.

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It has happened a number of times.

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But like the same rhetoric was flying around in the advance of the 2008 war with Georgia

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and the 2014 hostilities in Crimea.

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And even though there was active war happening, there weren't nukes used because that weaponry

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didn't match the goal of these conflicts.

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These comments that he's making kind of read the same way.

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It's not so much, or at least to me they do, it's not so much that he's saying he's going

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to nuke anyone over the conflict, but that the rest of the world shouldn't get involved

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because you wouldn't want to be at war with a nuclear power no matter what.

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Right.

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No one does.

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That's why nobody's just like, hey, North Korea, let's fight and then we'll get this

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shit out of the way.

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Nobody's doing that.

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Mm-hmm.

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And this is kind of how this nuclear comment reads to me.

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But Alex is reading it in an entirely different way.

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And I think a fair amount of it too is just getting out of hand, man.

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Alex has taken this in directions that it does not need to go.

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There will be no winners.

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I can pause there, back it up 10 seconds.

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So he just threatened to use their hypersonic cruise missiles and ballistic missiles.

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And of course the United States has even stuff more advanced that's secret.

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But the point is, is that it doesn't matter, it's nuclear weapons.

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And they've got Russian suicide soldiers with suitcases already in Europe, it doesn't matter

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if space-based systems shoot down the Russian ballistic missiles or submarine launch missiles.

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That doesn't matter.

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The nukes are all over the place.

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So now we reach the point where Alex just starts freestyling his own doomsday narratives.

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Apparently somewhere in this transcript that he's translated, there's information that

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Putin has embedded suicide agents with suitcase nukes all over Europe.

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Right, right.

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That's definitely not a James Bond plot.

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Right.

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I don't know about you, but leaving aside the important point that I don't believe any

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of that, how can Alex possibly ever think that someone who would have sleeper suicide

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suitcase nuke agents all over foreign countries could be anything less than a fucking supervillain?

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How can Alex honestly think that Putin is some kind of force for good with bringing

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back the West?

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If he's also creating elaborate high-tech situations like this that would essentially

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allow him to hold the entire world hostage, again, like you said, like a fucking Bond

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villain.

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Yes, absolutely.

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This is ridiculous.

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You can't possibly think, oh god, so dumb.

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I mean, also, none of these countries have any idea that Putin, of all people, is just

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having people carrying around suitcase nukes wherever they go.

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Or all the countries are like, wow, there's nothing we can really do.

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If you want to carry a suitcase nuke in fucking Nebraska, go to town, man.

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How can you tell the difference between a suitcase and a suitcase nuke?

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Uh, chained to your wrists.

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Impossible.

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Impossible to tell.

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I've always wanted to have a suitcase chained to my wrist.

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It's an achievable goal.

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It's very easy to do.

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You can do it.

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You just need a suitcase and some handcuffs.

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No, that's an old Bitch Hedberg joke.

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Oh.

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Yeah.

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So, look, this is silly.

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Yeah.

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I don't really think that this is a real serious escalation and sensationalization of the topic

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that Alex is covering.

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And I think it's a little bit disrespectful to the actual seriousness of the tension of

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the situation that's going on in Ukraine right now.

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Yeah.

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And it goes on.

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So here's where the Putin clip continues.

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And you will be pulled into this conflict against your will.

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We won't even have time to blink your eye when you execute Article 5 collective defense

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of NATO members.

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So here's where there's a slight difference in the translation.

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And I think in this context, the Daily Mail one seems less accurate.

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And so on Alex is reading.

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So in the Daily Mail one, Putin says, quote, you won't even have time to blink your eye

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when you execute Article 5.

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Whereas the transcript from the Kremlin says, quote, you will be fulfilling Article 5 in

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a heartbeat even before you know it.

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From the surrounding context, it makes more sense that Putin would be saying that if Ukraine

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joins NATO, these European countries would have to invoke Article 5 and come to Ukraine's

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aid involving Crimea in a heartbeat.

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That conflict exists and it isn't going away.

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So if Ukraine is involved in a collective alliance of mutual protection, the second

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they join, all of these governments will have to enact Article 5.

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Conversely, the Daily Mail translation makes it sound like there's something else that

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will happen after Article 5 is invoked.

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Hey, you say Article 5 nukes are on their way to your house.

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That's kind of what the Daily Mail.

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That's kind of how it sounds.

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Yeah.

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They say you won't have time to blink your eye when you execute Article 5.

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And that heavily implies, and that's the way Alex is reading this.

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It's that sort of, what is that day after tomorrow thing?

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Yeah.

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Like in the flash of a second, suitcase nukes.

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You guys sign the papers, everybody's taking the picture and nukes are on their way to

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your, yeah.

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Right.

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That doesn't quite match how the transcript itself reads a larger picture.

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Yeah.

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The transcript itself kind of more is real politic idea of like this and this is how

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it is.

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Now, are we the aggressors?

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No one can say really, what is aggression?

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And also, I want to be clear, I'm not saying that Putin's right or anything like that.

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I'm just saying that Alex is not dealing with this accurately.

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Yes.

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Yeah, that'd be weird if we all of a sudden were Putin apologists.

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That would be strange.

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That would be an odd one.

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Yeah.

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That would be an odd turn.

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So here's another clip here as it goes along.

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Mr. President, Macron, of course, doesn't want this.

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And I don't want it.

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And I don't want it, which is why he is here touring with me for six straight hours.

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Alex misread the subtitle there.

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He didn't say that Macron had been touring with him.

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Putin said that Macron had, quote, been tormenting me for six hours now with his questions, guarantees

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and solutions.

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The Daily Mail translation actually had torturing instead of tormenting.

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This is where Alex's understanding of Putin's comments begins and ends because all he has

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to go on is that Daily Mail video, and that's where the video cuts off.

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Immediately after this clip ends, Putin said of Macron's diplomatic visit, quote, I believe

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his is a lofty mission, and I am grateful to him for his efforts.

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For our part, we will do our best to find compromises that suit everyone.

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There's not a single point that we consider unachievable in the proposals we sent to NATO

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and Washington.

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So this seems like somebody who has, you know, at least rhetorically, an interest in keeping

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negotiations open, not somebody who's about to fire off nukes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, ultimately, listen, here's how we want to get Ukraine, by threats, because it

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costs a lot of money to actually fight a war.

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So if maybe I threaten you with nukes, you guys will be just like, you can have Ukraine.

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Yeah, and you know what's really expensive?

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Getting nuked.

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It's so expensive to, I mean, imagine you're in Moscow, right, and you're just going along

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your day, and then you're getting nuked.

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That's like at least $50 to $60 to rebuild.

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Definitely.

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Right?

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So if you drop the context here, like, you can dance around and insist that Putin's threatening

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nuclear war, and that's what Alex is doing.

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If you read the full transcript, that doesn't feel accurate.

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That feels like a bit of maybe some clickbait nonsense, Alex just trying to make everyone

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afraid.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Which is a smart idea, if you're helping Putin.

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It's also a smart idea if you want to drive traffic, I think, and keep people in a state

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of impotent fear, like Alex does with his audience, because what are you going to do?

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Well, I mean, have you practiced ducking and covering lately?

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You have a desk.

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So I bought the new desk.

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The problem is, there are bars on my side, so I don't have any ducking cover ability.

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Fuck you.

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Yeah, I'm dead in here.

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You've got to flip over the chair, get under the chair.

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That wasn't in the video.

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No, but you've got to freestyle sometimes.

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Okay, that was fair.

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So Alex has done, doing his little breakdown of the Daily Mail video that he's pretending

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is some product of deep research, and he comes back from break.

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This is misreporting.

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Vladimir Putin officially threatens to use nuclear weapons against Europe if NATO continues

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takeover of Ukraine.

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In an official press conference, Putin threw down the gauntlet, warning the West if NATO

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invokes Article 5 and absorbs Ukraine into NATO, within a blink of an eye, he said the

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West will see a massive military response.

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Then he says NATO has the force to crush Russia with conventional weapons, and he will use

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nuclear weapons, and that he will strike Western Europe.

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Now let me break down the timetable on this, if this starts.

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So this isn't just, this isn't accurate, based on the actual press conference that Putin

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gave, nor is it even accurate to the Daily Mail video that Alex is using as his source.

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And there's two really critical things that I just, I need to talk about.

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Right.

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The first is that Alex doesn't seem to even understand conceptually what he's talking

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about.

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The way he's talking about Article 5 shows that he thinks that it's something that NATO

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can invoke to absorb Ukraine into the group, but that is not correct at all.

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Article 5 states, quote, the parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of

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them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all, and consequently

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they agree that if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of

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individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United

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Nations, will assist the party or parties so attacked by taking forthwith individually

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and in concert with other parties such action as it deems necessary, including the use of

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armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

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It's the rule, it's the rule that an attack on one member state is an attack on all member

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states, not a mechanism by which NATO can absorb countries into itself like it's the

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blob.

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This was a part of NATO's core cause, and it's been in place since 1949, but it's only,

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it was never invoked until 9-11, which should tell you this is not a universal thing that

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happens all the time.

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Not a ton of people are stoked about getting into wars.

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Not usually.

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No.

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The fact that Alex doesn't seem to grasp this conceptually, like what Article 5 is, really

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makes it difficult to trust that he has any understanding of the conversation that Putin

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was having or the story that he's covering, and that leads me to my second point.

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This is a serious story, one that involves the safety and security of a ton of people

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in Ukraine and Russia in particular, but it could have ramifications for people outside

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the region as well.

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According to Alex himself, this is a story that has potential consequences in the neighborhood

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of a worldwide thermonuclear war, and he can't be bothered to know the basics of what he's

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talking about.

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This dynamic is something that's at the center of a lot of Alex's content.

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The intense and terrifying sensationalization of a headline he skimmed and decided not to

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look into is embarrassing, and it serves to give the audience not an absence of information,

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but actually bad information that they think is good.

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Right, right, right.

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They think their information that everyone's about to die is more accurate than the information

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maybe everyone's about to die.

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It's like not having food.

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It's having food that will make you sick.

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It's having spoiled food.

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And when it's around this kind of subject that is conceivably very serious, like I am

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not convinced that this is going to lead to nuclear war, but Alex seems to be, and that's

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the way he's presenting the story, and he can't even get himself to care past his normal

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routine of finding a headline, lying about what he's done to prepare the story, and then

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riffing about his own paranoid and terrifying fantasies.

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Yeah, and the more you think about it, I think Alex would love thermonuclear war.

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That would be a great button on his career.

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Well, he's still working on that bunker.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I mean, you know, that would get him out of a lot of shit.

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If all of a sudden nukes were dropping everywhere, he'd be like, ooh, I mean, obviously my skin's

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going to melt off, but I'm out of these lawsuits.

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It would probably put a delay on those hearings.

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Yeah, a little bit.

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So Alex takes this misreporting that he's doing of this comment, and he just turns it

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into like just a fucking terrifying story.

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Now let me break down the timetable on this if this starts.

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When the Russians get overwhelmed by the NATO forces arrayed against them and all that heavy

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weapons and high tech weapons, Putin is saying that they're going to use tactical nuclear

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weapons in theater against those forces.

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That'll happen within about 10 minutes.

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At that point, the orders will go out and cruise missiles all over Europe, hypersonic,

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will be fired at Russian military bases.

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Once the Russians make the decision to use technicals, they'll have all their submarines

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surfacing their cruise missiles ready, their ICBMs ready, and the minute they detect with

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their radar and satellites, Western missile launches, they will have a total commitment

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release of their weapons.

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Their submarines will come up off our coast.

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They will vaporize Manhattan, Los Angeles, all of the Russian cities will be vaporized

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as well.

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Western Europe will be vaporized.

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He goes on to like really lay out this like I won't even have time to go find my daughter.

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It's really highly dramatic and really just aiming to scare.

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You know, okay, suitcase nukes, you can conceivably say that it's easier to get a single person

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with a nuclear device in a suitcase around than having a fucking nuclear submarine off

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the coast of New York City.

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You know what?

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I honestly don't know.

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Where is this?

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What world is there a nuclear submarine near New York City's coast that they allowed Russia

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to get?

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What is it?

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10,000 feet below the sea?

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What world are there people walking around with suitcase nukes?

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I understand.

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I just feel like a submarine's a little bit more noticeable.

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Probably.

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Probably.

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Well, there could be like elaborate masking technology that the aliens-

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Sure.

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Well, you know what?

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I had not considered the aliens.

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Yeah.

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You're right.

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I agree.

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It's a little far-fetched, but I'm not sure it's more far-fetched than suitcase nuke suicide

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bomber.

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It's true.

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I don't know which.

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I don't know which.

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That'll be a tough contest.

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But Alex is just like really trying to drive home this fear, and he's a sick fuck, let's

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say.

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Most of us will just get knocked down and maybe the roof cave in on you, but when you

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come outside, you'll be breathing all that delicious radiation.

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You mean when you get up again?

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Of course the power won't be coming back on for years if you're lucky.

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So that's where we are, and we're an evil decadent satanic society, and I guess it's

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time to die.

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What?

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Okay.

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I mean, really.

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What?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Whoa.

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Yeah.

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You know what?

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Maybe it's time to die, Dan.

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That's what I was thinking.

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I was just thinking, yeah, I think everybody, it's time to die.

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Right.

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It's time.

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Hey, maybe we should all get nuked.

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You know what?

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Go find a spike and just fucking do it, man.

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This guy believes in humanity.

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What is he doing?

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What is this?

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Maybe it's time for all of us to die.

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You know what?

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Maybe it is.

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He's in a weird mood.

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Yeah.

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I don't really know how to read this other than like, I guess he's depressed.

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I mean, you know, you'd have to be a little depressed to be very blasé about, you know,

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the extinction of the human race.

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There's some financial news that will be discussed later that might play into this.

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Okay.

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So, that might have something to do with his-

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Price of oil is going down?

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No.

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Let's say a character from the past makes an appearance.

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Ooh.

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Hat in hand.

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Oh, no.

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So, we'll get to that later.

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Spoiler alert.

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I'm excited for that.

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Alex is discussing this like, maybe we all deserve to die from nukes.

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He starts rambling around and he drops a bomb of his own that's a little bit unbelievable.

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Okay.

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The CIA, through Georgetown University, literally has sicked an army of over 10,000 Muslims

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that they brought in over the last few decades, run through the school and given degrees,

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and have intelligence badges and are after us.

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Brigades of Muslims.

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I'm sorry.

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What?

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I mean, they've got their secret armies.

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They're ready.

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Okay?

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And they are targeting and preparing.

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They've got a list of judges.

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They've got a list of good police captains.

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They've got all our numbers, folks.

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We're in a lot more trouble than you know.

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Okay?

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A lot more trouble than you know.

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So, I guess it's a we're all going to die episode.

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Yeah.

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It's not a-

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It seems like that.

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Yeah.

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So, this mood has flipped.

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It's pretty clear.

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This is really dumb, but we've done this narrative already.

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Yeah.

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It was a year and a half ago, but instead of a brigade of Muslims, it was Antifa and

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MS-13 that had lists of all the patriots, and we're going to go door to door taking

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them out.

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That didn't happen, and now I guess enough time has passed that Alex can be sure that

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his audience has forgotten that he said that shit, so he's trying it again, both a brigade

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of 10,000 Muslims.

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Right.

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Right.

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It's not a caravan anymore coming into the border and becoming brigades.

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Or even when Alex was saying that was a way to get Ebola.

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Exactly.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's all there.

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Yeah.

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You know that old adage, like the best way to keep a secret between more than two people

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is to kill the other two or whatever.

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You know what I'm saying?

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That whole thing?

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I've heard that.

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I'm going to go with having entire brigades being forced to keep their own participation

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secret.

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Right.

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That would be tough to do, man.

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Foolish to give them badges, too.

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It would be a bad idea to have them easily identifiable as such brigades.

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Why would you need 10,000 of them to take out Alex, too?

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Uh, boof.

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I mean, if you've got a secret army, part of the reason that you have it, or part of

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the best part of having a secret army is you can keep it small, you know?

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Right.

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Because it's secret.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You would want specialized units, maybe.

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Totally.

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The dirty dozen.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You would want to pull up, solve a problem, and then are gone like ghosts.

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And you need a tech guy.

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Absolutely.

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A munitions person.

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Sure.

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A face man.

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I was about to say face man.

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Yeah.

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You need 10,000 Muslims are out to get Alex.

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10,000 Muslims.

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I don't understand.

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That's very weird.

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I love it when a religion comes together.

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So Alex, he gets onto another subject.

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Yeah.

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It's about the Capitol Police.

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Sure.

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They're out of control.

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Are they brigades?

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Look at this Politico article.

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Capitol Police examined background social media feeds of some who meet with lawmakers.

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You read the article, it says, yeah, they also get in plain clothes and spy on people.

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But now the documents are coming out being released by Congress and the investigation

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of the inspector general inspecting themselves of the Capitol Police.

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And when you read what's in this, it's unbelievable.

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They went into members of Congress's offices at night, like the plumbers, like Nixon did

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having G. Gordon Liddy and others break into the psychiatrist, the Democrat candidate to

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find out about him for dirt.

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Not right, not good.

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Nixon had to leave office.

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This is the Capitol Police breaking in people's offices, posing as Capitol repair officers

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or Capitol repair technicians and photographing and stealing material.

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This is a tough narrative for Alex to be dipping into because in that clip there, within one

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minute, he's essentially gotten into trouble with two of his friends.

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Roger worked for Nixon and swears that Watergate didn't go down like that.

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So he and Alex might have to have some words based on Alex's reporting.

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Then Alex is describing what these folks in the Capitol Police allegedly did going into

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offices dressed up like maintenance people to spy, and that's exactly what James O'Keefe

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got arrested for doing to Louisiana Senator Mary Landrieu.

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It's really wild how many friends Alex has who do the precise evil shit he's so mad at

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his enemies for supposedly doing.

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Well, the only way to know that your enemies are doing evil shit is to be the people who

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do that evil shit.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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It makes sense.

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It makes sense to me.

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So as for this Politico article, it's a disturbing revelation that the Capitol Police have been

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doing some digging into the social media and other public information that's available

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for people who meet with members of Congress, and I'm not into it, but Alex is lying about

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what this article covers.

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There's nothing in the article about spying in plain clothes.

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That's just Alex adding to the recipe for it had more flavor.

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Yeah.

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Also, it's Alex referring to allegations made by Representative Troy Neils, who claimed

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that the Capitol Police were caught snooping in his office.

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The Capitol Police released a statement saying that no one was snooping, but someone did

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enter his office to secure it because he left his office door open when nobody was in it.

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When that happens, it's protocol for the Capitol Police to secure the office and close the

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door for him.

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Right.

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Because it's not safe.

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The Capitol Police has come out with a statement, this dude's a big dum-dum, close your fucking

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door.

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Close your door, man.

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And then maybe we won't have to show up.

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Yeah.

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Also, Alex can't possibly have read the Inspector General's report that he's claiming to have

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on the Capitol Police looking at folks' social media investigation because that just began

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this week and there's no info that's come out about it yet.

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He may be confusing with the IG report about the Capitol Police regarding January 6th,

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but I'm also sure he didn't read that.

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Right.

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So I don't know.

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This is ridiculous.

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Yeah.

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I think I'm only interested in that clip because it's funny that this guy just didn't close

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his door.

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Yeah, man.

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And that's turned into a conspiracy theory.

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Of course.

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And the other thing is how much Alex's friends are implicated in the same actions as the

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evil globalists.

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Well, I mean, but it is somewhat of that like, I know they must be doing it because we are.

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It is kind of that vibe of like, well, obviously I know what the evil people are doing.

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My buddies are doing the same thing.

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But that would be fine if there wasn't also the denial of what his buddies are doing.

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While my buddies aren't doing the evil shit that I say the other guys are doing, I'm not

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going to say that my buddies are doing this evil shit.

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Absolutely.

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What are you, lying?

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Aha.

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Now that I'm telling you that I think they didn't do it, you won't get mad at me.

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It's convoluted.

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Yeah.

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Anyway.

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Yeah.

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Alex gets back into the caravan a little bit, the truckers up in Ottawa.

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Everybody's having a great time.

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Odd people aren't having a good time.

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No, no, no, no.

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People like the population of Ottawa is not having a great time.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's like the Brooks brothers riot with trucks.

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It's awful.

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And longer.

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And longer.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So my heart goes out to the folks having to put up with this shit, but Alex has a guy

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on to talk about how great the caravan is and how awesome every, they're getting freedom.

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Everybody loves it.

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So joining us is Jeremy McKenzie, so former special forces officer, been on the show many

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years ago on other topics, and he is joining us here on air.

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He's also a popular podcaster.

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He's joining us to talk about the latest incredible developments.

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So I don't really want to get more in depth than we already have on the trucker caravan.

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Yeah.

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And what have you.

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I don't know if my position has changed on it since the last time we talked about it.

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But it's interesting that Alex has got this guy on to talk about the news from the front

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lines.

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Alex called in this guy named Jeremy McKenzie, and wouldn't you know it, he's not a trucker.

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He's actually a piece of shit.

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I'm not totally sure that McKenzie has a podcast, but he definitely has a live stream, and I

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was able to find some interesting comments that he made on stream thanks to their being

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collected by anti-racist Canada.

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Right.

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Here's one of them that is not good.

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I like Nazis.

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Like you watch that movie, like Schindler's List actually is based on a fictional book.

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Oh my God.

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Like that didn't even happen.

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Right.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Like Oscar Schindler was in person, but the movie was based on a fictional book, but they

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presented as though this is what happened.

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Yeah.

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Like Zero Dark Thirty after they killed Bin Laden, right?

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And they make it very realistic and very.

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So what happens is you're learning about something new for the first time, and now you're seeing

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this visual fucking, it's going straight in there, and now this becomes memory.

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Like this is what happened.

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It's like you're watching something, you're watching a production.

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These are actors in costumes and none of this is real, but now you believe that that's history

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when that's not what took place.

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Like you know how aimy that is?

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It's fucking crazy.

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Like here's a great example.

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There's a movie, there's a guy, they'll call him a revisionist and all of the worst things

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you can do.

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The guy's a historian.

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His name is David Irving and he's from the UK.

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Oh boy.

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And all he did was like, I just want to know.

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All he did was deny the Holocaust.

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So he went over to Germany and he went around and he interviewed all kinds of people that

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knew these guys personally.

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Like Hitler's secretary.

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He like tracked her down and he did all this stuff.

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And he wrote a whole book.

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It was called Hitler's War or something like that.

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And it was just, you know, stuff from people you'd never ever hear about otherwise.

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And they're like, how dare you?

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He's like, yeah, but they knew him.

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They knew him.

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So Schindler's List is based on the nonfiction novel Schindler's Ark.

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The events of the story are true.

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It's just that some of the dialogue's been dramatized.

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It seems really weird the way this guy's calling it a story of fiction.

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And it also seems to have trouble understanding that people know that there are actors in

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movies and they don't experience movies as reality.

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I mean, it is so much like a, you can hear it when they talk where you're like, oh, of

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course you think other people think movies are real.

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You think movies are real.

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Seems that way.

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I don't think movies are real, sir.

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Yeah, but I think maybe even a bigger issue is that that is not what David Irving did.

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No.

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That's, this guy is very wrong.

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David Irving is a full on Holocaust denier.

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Really one of the most famous in the world.

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He tried to sue a journalist who called him a Holocaust denier for defamation and he lost.

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He very publicly argued that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, which landed him

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in jail in Austria.

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He's been banned from entering multiple countries because of his antisemitism and Holocaust

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denial.

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He is associated with the neo-Nazi group, the National Alliance.

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And in the years since like 1990, his entire public persona has been pro-Hitler, anti-Jews,

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and denying of the Holocaust.

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Right.

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This Mackenzie guy is either a neo-Nazi- Historian, Dan.

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He's either a neo-Nazi or I guess if you want to be as generous as possible, he's an idiot

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who seems to be drawn like a moth to the flame towards any false piece of information that

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makes Nazis look good.

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Man, I mean- It's weird.

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Honestly, he is not a neo-Nazi.

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He's just a regular Nazi that's just out of time.

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It's like he time traveled from 1939.

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There's an issue of semantics I guess we could get into, but I'm flabbergasted.

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So there's plenty more interviews of him palling around with white nationalist folks like the

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hosts of Red Ice TV.

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He's doing interviews about how the protocols of the Elders of Zion are actually real with

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the antisemitic dude who was also on Infowars, G. Michael Jones.

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Right.

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All kinds of unsavory shit.

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There's a ton of people that Alex could have chosen to come speak out about the truckers

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in Ottawa and give an update and magically somehow this is the guy he finds.

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Well, you gotta find the most Nazi one.

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It's almost like they travel in similar ideological circles because they do.

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If you know a lot of Nazis and a lot of Nazis know you and they like you and you like them,

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I'm gonna throw this out there, maybe you are also a Nazi.

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There could be.

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Also, there's a part in the interview where he's like, they said there were Nazi flags,

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there was one guy with a Nazi flag.

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I don't understand how that's not also a problem.

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It is.

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So we're not gonna listen to too much of this interview because I don't really care and

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I don't think he brings a lot to the table or any interesting information.

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But there's this really funny thing that keeps happening and that Alex keeps saying this

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guy's special forces and he has to keep correcting him because he doesn't want to engage in stolen

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valor.

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Right.

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Right?

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Because he wasn't in special forces.

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He did a very short period of time where he was in a special forces unit or something

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along those lines, but Alex will not stop getting it wrong.

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And so he's had to correct him and now I believe this is the second time and Alex fucking loses

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it.

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Mike down for this.

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Yeah.

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So that was one of the aspects.

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Yeah.

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Again, I was only, I was briefly, briefly with a special forces unit.

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I just, you know, they get guys get sensitive about that kind of thing.

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So I can't stand you military guys.

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Listen, I can't handle it.

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You know, one reason I don't want to get military people on, stop, stop, stop.

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You're hitting my pet peeve right now.

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You got fine.

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You were never in the military.

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Screw the military.

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I hate it.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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You know, please.

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God help me.

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God help me.

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God help me.

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I'm just telling people who you are.

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Cause I was again in Afghanistan and talk about seeing freedom is being taken.

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And then you tell me, don't say I'm this.

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And then you say, don't say that.

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I don't care.

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Let's just say you're in Canada.

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All right.

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Right.

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Please help me.

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All right.

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Please help me.

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Go ahead.

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Don't stress you out, brother.

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No, no, no.

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It's this thing you guys do.

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Cause all the military people in Beck each other about who was what and who did what

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screw it all.

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Or about that.

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Nuclear war.

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How about that?

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How about all the military people shot that?

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Go ahead, man.

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And there is a lot of good dudes laughing, but like Alex is not joking.

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No, no, no.

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This is deadly serious.

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This is deadly serious.

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And you know, what is it?

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What is it with you guys?

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And you don't like me lying about what it is you did in the military?

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Well, I think it's probably because a lot of people that Alex knows get accused of lying

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about their military history because they are right.

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I think that that's probably why he's hypersensitive about this point.

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And I think that to his credit, like I don't like him for any other reason, but this Mackenzie

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guy seems like that's the right thing to do.

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Someone's mischaracterizing your military service.

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You probably don't want to be seen playing along with that lest everybody else think

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that you're also inflating and lying about your service.

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Absolutely.

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That's why Alex hates military guys because the real ones actually do that.

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He likes non-military guys who claim they're in the military because when you say they're

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in special forces, they're like, fuck yeah, I was.

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See Steve Pacheco.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I was all over the special forces.

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Right.

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Come on, man.

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Improvise with me.

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Don't correct me.

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Don't downplay this.

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I need to present you as the greatest possible source of information.

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Therefore you started the special forces.

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I took down an entire brigade of Muslims, 10,000.

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They were in Austin.

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I was busy.

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So yeah, that's, that was just a little bit of fun from this interview.

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That is great.

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Um, after this, Alex has a familiar face, uh, come around, it's time coming around.

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Here we go.

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It's none other than the, uh, the former gold salesman, Ted Anderson, Ted Anderson.

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I want him to just spend some time on who he is, what he's done.

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He was a sponsor of mine in 1997.

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A year later, he started the GCN radio network because he was already sending, he was already

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financing a bunch of shows.

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He already had a production thing producing his own shows were very popular on AM FM and

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shortwave and satellite.

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He said, why don't I just start a network?

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When I got censored and kicked off my local radio station, he'd already set up his network

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few years before it was getting it ready.

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And I was already doing another show on it every day.

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And then about nine years ago, 10 years ago when the gold market was way down and Ted

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couldn't pay me anymore, I parted ways with Ted, but instead you can still carry my show

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and syndicate it to stations.

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I'll syndicate myself.

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Two thirds of my stations are with us and about 90 something are with him and we're

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still friends, but he couldn't, you know, pay me anymore.

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So I had to go out and, you know, try to syndicate my show more and try to get money in.

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So Ted didn't stop being able to pay Alex because the gold market took a dip, at least

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that's, there's no indication of that.

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It seems like it was because he got sued for defrauding customers and the state of Minnesota

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took away his license to sell precious metals.

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That'll be a problem.

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Also, we've been over this at length, but their relationship wasn't like some good buddies

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just trying to help each other out.

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Alex was a shameless gold salesman for large stretches of his career and mysteriously he

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became less gung ho, but everyone desperately needed to buy gold in his more recent career

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after Ted stopped selling gold.

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It's weird how that works.

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It's crazy how quickly it went from gold will save your life and protect you from all diseases

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to zinc will save your life and protect you all from diseases.

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It seems like the focus has shifted.

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It's like, it's, you know, I also like whenever the relationship of money changes with Alex

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or it's like Ted Anderson, when he's given money, is the greatest person that's ever

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lived.

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It's incredible when he's not giving money.

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This guy, I remember him, he couldn't pay me anymore.

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That's how broke this guy was.

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This guy couldn't pay me.

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He couldn't pay me, but I'm such a good guy.

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Exactly.

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I kept things going with him.

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So magnanimous.

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Yeah.

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Such a good dude.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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So guess what?

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Ted, he got wrapped up in the Sandy Hook business and it's not working out well for him.

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He gets sued four years ago by the Sandy Hook Democrat lawyers.

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And he has nothing to do what I said on air or did.

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And I was already off his network.

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He was only a satellite provider, but they don't care about that.

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And now we know now they want the network itself and people say, well, keep fighting.

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Well, it takes money to fight them.

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Plus Ted will have the floor here, but I just want to get this out now.

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Ted has been running this network with 700 plus affiliates and over 100 shows on it.

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But with talk radio and the implosion in the media and for a couple of years, it's been

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losing money.

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But because it's a pet project he started and because he's got other companies, he can

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advertise on it.

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He keeps it propped up even though he's losing hundreds of thousands a year and that number's

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going up.

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Well, he can't defend a lawsuit against these people.

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And so they say, that's fine.

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Just give us your whole network.

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We want you to surrender thinking they would take me off the air, which it would be a crippling

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blow.

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Surrender.

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Surrender.

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So it's fun.

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It is true that Ted is a co-defendant in the Connecticut Sandy Hook case.

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And that's simply because he was disseminating and profiting off of Alex's defamatory content

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and targeted harassment.

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Yeah.

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I'm not positive that Alex's shady business practices are going to salvage this case because

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I feel like, you know, if they have an existing syndication agreement and then Ted can't afford

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to pay Alex and Alex says, why don't you just keep on doing it and not pay me?

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That seems like the agreement is still in place.

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Alex has just agreed to forego payment.

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Honestly, that just means that Ted's making even more money off Alex's lies about the

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Sandy Hook families since he doesn't need to cut Alex in for a taste.

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Yeah.

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He's essentially gotten rid of his overhead for lies.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Probably sucks to be Ted right now.

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It was the worst.

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I have zero faith that the lawyers told him that they needed to surrender.

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Surrender.

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Surrender.

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Yeah.

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It's, um, it's interesting.

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I mean, like, I guess maybe, you know, his, his radio network is a, uh, asset that could

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be deemed possible.

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Something he would need to sell, give up, pay for whatever damages.

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I mean, if he goes into bankruptcy, they're going to take them assets.

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Yeah.

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And I thought it was really strange because Alex is like, he's going to fight this case.

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But like he's part, they even like, I don't know this to be true because I don't have

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a whole lot of understanding of the inner workings of the Connecticut case.

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Yeah.

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Um, but they say that he got defaulted along with them.

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Ooh.

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Like they like Alex says that he's already lost that case.

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So he, he just would be fighting the damages portion.

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I guess.

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I don't know.

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That's not good.

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There isn't a case to fight really.

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What in God's name are they doing?

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Uh, crazy.

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Yeah.

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Absolute lunacy.

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So, um, Alex, like he wants to build Ted up as a hero, right?

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Why?

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Uh, cause they, they need money.

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Yeah.

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His networks gone for making millions and millions of dollars a year profit to make

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losing money, but he keeps it up there and keeps it running with the board ops and the

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engineers and the insurance and all the people.

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And then they come to him and, and Ted hadn't even told me this for a while, but then he

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just said, you know what?

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Screw this.

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I'm not going to shut down.

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Quite frankly, Ted was planning to slowly shut down GCN, but because they're trying

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to shut him down and because they're trying to silence those other host, he was going

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to give them time.

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You know, if he had to down the road, I know to move other places.

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Now Ted's going to try to make GCN bigger than ever and stronger than ever going to

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fight all the way through the end.

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And so he's here with us today, ladies and gentlemen, to talk about that.

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And I appreciate him holding while I was saying this, but I'm going to put this out on air

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right now.

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Let's put the URLs up, please.

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Ted's already spent 300 plus thousand dollars battling these people now to go to trial and

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to fight them, it's going to cost him a half million dollars.

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He's already losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to fund this and keep it

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on air.

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And he's risking them getting judgments on him, even though he's totally innocent, if

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this happens, but he's an American because of the first amendment, he believes in it.

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He's going to do it, but he needs your help.

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This is sad.

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Shouldn't Ted be the last person who's coming around begging on this show from Alex's audience?

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Like he was literally the guy selling them gold for the last few decades and this is

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where he's gotten to.

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Like this makes me really distrustful of precious metals investment.

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This seems like if this is the end result of being like deeply involved in gold and

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silver.

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Man, I mean, it's hard to hear Alex say anything other than Ted Anderson is a really bad businessman

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who is also kind of a fraud.

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And fucked up by allowing me to say whatever he wants on his syndicated airwaves.

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So you should give him money.

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These are free market capitalists.

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This guy's losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year running a business.

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So what you should do is give it to him.

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He's too shitty to fail.

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He needs a bailout.

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With no remuneration, nothing, just bail him out.

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Because he's a great businessman.

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They're going to promote this website, savegcn.com, which is actually just a redirect to a give

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send go campaign.

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But the thing that's wild about it is Alex is going to put commercials on all of his

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shows on the GCN network for people to go to that website and support.

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He was already doing sort of that when he was selling ad space and commercials on GCN.

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He would have commercials for buying ads on GCN, which is basically like, that is give

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me money, but then you get something out of it, you get an ad.

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This is just like him- Donate to keep my business afloat.

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Right.

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What I'm getting at is if there was potential for this business, you wouldn't need to do

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this because people would be buying that ad space, and I would be getting him the money

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that he needs.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I can understand these people being scammed by religious people, the prosperity

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gospel people, because they don't have an actual business.

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You can always just be like, oh, I'm giving it to God.

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Not like I'm giving it to a failed businessman who lied.

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And as a history of fraud.

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I am struggling to pay my rent, but God damn, this man's failing business needs me to give

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it money.

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We got to keep Ted on there.

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We got to keep it going.

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It's important for democracy.

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See, there's sort of an elephant in the room, and that is that Alex could just give Ted

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money.

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Shh.

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No, no, no, no.

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You don't get rich by giving money away.

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We'll put the URL back up there, save GCN dot com, save GCN dot com, one word and go

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make a donation because Ted came to me and he said, you know, I need three hundred thousand

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five hundred thousand dollars, depending on what happens to go through this trial and

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all this.

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And he says, you know, I'm already losing a lot of money.

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Do you want to try to help me or what do you think I should do?

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And I said, Ted, by all means, do not turn the network over to these people so they can

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take all these people off the air and do this.

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Let's fight them.

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And he said, OK.

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So he needs to raise that money.

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So basically, if you if you take this version of the story, Ted came to Alex and was like,

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hey, man, I need three hundred thousand dollars.

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And Alex is like, fuck that.

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Let's get the audience to pay for it.

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Yep.

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That's what happened.

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You got it.

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Yep.

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And I wouldn't be too surprised if this wasn't a situation where the behind the scenes conversation

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was more like Ted being like, hey, Alex, you fucking asshole, you got me into this trouble.

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Like you, you understand I'm on the hook for this because of you, you know?

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Yeah.

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I syndicated your show.

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I made your fucking career.

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Right.

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I know so much about you.

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Right.

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You're going to find a way to pay my legal fee here because it's your fault.

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You better.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I wouldn't be too surprised if there was something along those lines said, ah, man,

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you know, I don't know.

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I would imagine that he doesn't get to talk to Alex like that anymore.

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If ever.

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Well, I mean, Alex has that, you know, when they're when it's Ted Anderson and Alex, you

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can't really say, oh, I'll reveal information about you.

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Because the answer to that is I'll reveal information about you.

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I mean, we're both scamming liars.

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What do you want?

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Ted's already been through it.

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He already went to court.

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That's true.

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For his fraud.

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That's fair.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I'm not seriously suggesting that there necessarily has to have been some kind of a threat to

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reveal information.

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I understand.

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But I would be very surprised if there wasn't a conversation that at least surrounded this

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is your fault, Alex.

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Totally.

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You've got to do something.

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You've got to do something.

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Yeah.

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And if it's all it is, is giving me an hour to beg your audience for money, then I guess

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that's what I'll take.

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So you should you should give Ted money and Alex would.

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But he doesn't have any money.

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And that means you should give him money.

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What kind of insane person gives a millionaire money?

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Yeah.

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And listen, I could donate money to Ted's defense and I'll do it if I have to.

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But I'm running out of money.

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That's why we have save info wars dot com.

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We'll put that URL on screen, save info wars dot com.

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That also takes you to give sin go.

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It's amazing.

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It's a plug to support Ted.

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Right.

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And Alex would do it, but he can't because he doesn't have any money.

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So you got to give him money.

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Right.

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Right.

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So save GCN.

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Right.

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Save info wars.

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Roger Stone's legal defense fund.

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Right.

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We've got pills.

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We've got people can buy.

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Reset wars.

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Exactly.

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And we've got a lot of revenue streams that involve no one getting anything for anything.

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Well, I mean, they tried that weird coin they were selling.

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Yeah, that's right.

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I forgot about that.

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As a war bond.

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Apparently that didn't work out.

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No, I'm surprised.

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I'm shocked.

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Yeah.

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So Alex got some breaking news here.

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We're not going to listen to any of Ted because who cares?

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Yeah, who cares?

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Ted just says, hey, I got fucked here.

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Yeah.

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He's a sad sack loser now.

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It's fine.

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And always has been.

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Well, yeah, that's true.

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He doesn't have any money anymore.

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So Alex got some, some breaking news, but he's going to tease.

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Well, the quickenings here, I just received information in the last 10 minutes that we

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knew was coming, but man, this is all coming down the wire after Ted leaves us.

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I'm going to bring this up with Joel Skousen, but it's official.

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And I was reading the document.

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Biden DHS declares terrorism threat due to false and misleading narratives and conspiracy

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theories that go on in the document to say unsanctioned speech is terrorism.

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They actually say that sanctioned means authorized by the government.

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So this was a bulletin that the DHS put out the day before this episode.

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And unsurprisingly, it doesn't say that unsanctioned speech is now illegal.

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That it would be surprising.

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It would be.

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I think Alex is honestly not that surprising for the DHS, but yes, I think Alex is just

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misreading the word unsubstantiated like unsubstantiated narratives.

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It's yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think that's what happened.

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Can't read.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, this is just a bulletin expressing the awareness that there are terror threats

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that are growing out of the COVID denial community, the 2020 election fraud community, and some

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other communities that are largely driven by rampant online misinformation.

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Yeah.

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This is not a controversial statement.

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And so as long as it remains a threat assessment and not a call for the DHS to police the internet

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for misinformation, this story is a zero.

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Yeah.

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And it's kind of sad to see this and be like, wow, if this was 2009, you could turn this

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into a Mayek document.

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Totally.

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Totally.

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You just don't have the chops anymore.

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You're going to forget about this in a week.

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Nope.

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He just doesn't have it.

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Oh.

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And it's so, yeah, man, the last people I would want policing anything on the internet

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are DHS.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But, you know, unsubstantiated.

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But them recognizing that these like misinformation spheres and communities are places where the

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potential terror threats are developing, I think that that's well within what they're

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meant to do.

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True.

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True.

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Absolutely.

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But it's just like, okay, why are you putting out a press release saying water's wet?

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Like, I get it, man.

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So Alex gets back into the Putin story because he's got Joel Skousen coming up.

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He heard this, he read that Daily Mail article and he was like, get me Skousen.

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Give me the Skoulin Skousen.

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We need that man.

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He is my expert on these matters.

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Absolutely.

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But also Alex did way more work than just reading that Daily Mail article.

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Totally.

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Totally.

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Obviously.

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We already played this several times the first hour, but if Skousen wants, we can reread

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this on air.

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But my interpretation of it is what it says.

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He said, if NATO declares article five and basically takes in Ukraine, then we're going

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to invade.

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And then if NATO overwhelms us, we're going to use nuclear weapons.

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And that's what he said.

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Very, very chilling.

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And we went and found the video.

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I didn't just believe the Daily Mail when I saw it.

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I went and actually found the video of Putin indeed saying that.

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There's such an agenda that Alex has to create the appearance that he didn't do nothing.

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It's kind of understandable because I think he is self-conscious about how-

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Little he does.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Of course.

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And how much he wants to have the appearance of somebody who takes this shit seriously

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and tries.

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Right.

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And I think, I mean, I get it.

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It's sad because he didn't and he doesn't do anything.

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No.

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No.

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I mean, but if you're the emperor and you're not wearing any clothes, it's really smart

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to tell people that you totally are.

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You're totally, I'm wearing so many fucking clothes.

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This morning, tried on a million different clothes and I'm wearing all of them right

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now.

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I didn't just trust that Daily Mail article.

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Yeah.

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I went and I dug around and I found the video that was embedded in the Daily Mail article.

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I changed my name to Elmore Leonard gumshoes.

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So Skousen comes in and immediately just punctures this entire bubble that Alex is, the whole

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narrative goes away.

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Immediately.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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It's so awesome.

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Alex, what in the world's really going on with this Russia situation?

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Well, Alex, there's a lot of posturing going on, especially by Putin and that particular

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statement.

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He knows that the United States is not going to invade.

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Biden has already said it's off the table.

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There are going to be no troops coming into Ukraine when it's attacked, they're going

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to let it fall.

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They're going to wring their hands.

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They're going to do sanctions.

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But I doubt if he's even going to be able to stop the pipeline, the gas pipeline coming

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in from Russia because the Germans are wedded to it and there's simply no way to handle

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their future gas needs.

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But I'm still don't believe that this is going to lead to nuclear war because the US will

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not go to war with Russia over Ukraine.

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So Skousen comes in with a whether or not any of his assessments are correct or anything.

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He definitely comes in with a voice of authority because Alex has built him up as one of the

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best geopolitical experts and he comes in and just contradicts Alex across the board.

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Alex spent like 10 minutes doing a bizarre fantasy about how quickly nukes will kill

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us all.

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And then Skousen comes in, he's like, nah, it's not good, I was just posturing.

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Did you not listen to the early part of the show?

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Of course he did.

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Skousen.

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I have said that we all deserve to die.

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And now you're telling me we're not going to?

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It's deflating for Alex for sure.

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What am I going to do now?

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How are we all going to die now?

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COVID?

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I'm bored of COVID.

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I think that Skousen can tell that maybe Alex is a little bit disappointed.

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So he decides to throw a conspiracy out for him.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Give him something.

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This is big news.

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Give him something.

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Skousen faked their own collapse in 1990.

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I'm sorry, what now?

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Orders to let the wall come down, to let the riots go forward.

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They even gave orders for the communist dictators to step down.

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Ceausescu of Romania was the only one who refused and he and his wife were killed.

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Well, that's right.

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It's come out that 100% they staged that.

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Wow.

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So the fall of the Soviet Union.

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The collapse of the Soviet Union was a false flag.

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That's a big one.

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My first thought when I heard that is like, don't tell Steve Pachanik that, because he

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took down the Soviet Union.

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Yeah, I was going to say, this is a complicated mythology that has occurred, that is out and

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out in violent conflict with itself.

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Right.

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Well, I mean, I guess it's possible that Steve Pachanik was then in on the false flag.

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Well, I mean, he would have to.

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Felling of the Soviet Union.

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He killed Aldo Moro, so he probably faked the end of the false flag.

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Yeah.

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So I think that this is, this indicates a lack of seriousness.

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Well, I mean, full marks for saying we're not going to go to total nuclear war.

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Yep.

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And he didn't even say that we deserve to die in a total nuclear war.

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True.

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Restraint.

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Gonna have to give him an F on the Russia false flagged its own collapse.

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Yep.

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So you can give him another little bit of a mark here.

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And that is that Skousen, for whatever, all of the problems that he has, does not trust

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Putin and recognizes certain things that he does that are clearly propaganda.

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No.

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So what do you make of Putin's pro-Christian talk and paying people to have children and

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gzping three child policy now and saying no sissy man on TV.

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I mean, that, I mean, why do you think they're breaking why, oh, that's a big question why

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I wanted you on.

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George Soros coming out and really doubling down and now the FBI doubling down on China.

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They denied China was a threat before.

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Why are they admitting it now?

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Well, first of all, let me answer the Putin question.

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This is meant to deceive.

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This is a major propaganda to deceive conservatives in the United States into thinking that Putin

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is our savior.

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And I get emails all the time about Putin is against the new world order.

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Well, sure.

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He's against the new world order.

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And he's been exposing at least partially the, the, the globalist in their support of

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ISIS in Syria, et cetera, by bombing those convoys.

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But the whole thing about Putin building churches and the support of Christianity is a total

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fraud.

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This is, this is bad.

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You got it.

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You can't have guests that don't listen to the show anymore.

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You've, you've got too much going on.

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Yeah.

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You, you really run a danger when you have guests that have been on for years and years

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and have a necessity for you to take them seriously and to take them as actual experts.

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Because this isn't just like some, some asshole saying that Putin's lying about this religiosity.

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This is conspiracy, second generation conspiracy.

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Royalty.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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And uh, hey, Alex is not happy.

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I think he's so unhappy that he just basically is like, I'm, I'm done with this interview.

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Uh, we're going to pick up seats in the house and we'll retain control of the Senate, but

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it won't be the complete slaughter that it would be if there were no vote fraud.

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And of course they are going to make it very sophisticated and get prepared to make sure

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that we don't win the presidency again in 2024.

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What else should we be watching?

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It's back to eating lunch during interviews.

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Oh man, gotta get this egg rolled down while you bullshit people.

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Yeah.

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God damn it.

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I can't be mad at you.

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I'm trapped.

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I can eat my feelings.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So we've got the scousum coming in, just destroying the fear of nuclear war narrative.

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Putin's not a good dude.

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Calling out that PR propaganda campaign that Alex has fallen for and pushed on his show.

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Oh, and now the scousum just to make the hat trick has to, and he makes a point of bringing

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this up.

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Oh no.

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He goes out of his way.

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Because he, he doesn't like that these, uh, these conservative outlets and conspiracy

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sites have been promoting that weirdo grand jury in Germany.

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Don't do it.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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You can't do that, man.

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He's not thrilled with that.

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Oh boy.

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Let me throw this out.

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Cause I, I mean, I covered this Saturday and Sunday, this weekend aired large excerpts,

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taught the info we put out was spot on.

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Like you said, I gathered that they were doing a people's grand jury.

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Just like you have the 198 ways the Pentagon talks about, uh, civil disobedience, nonviolent

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revolution as a way to put this on to then show grand juries and other bodies, the blueprint

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for victory.

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I think I saw some statements out of them.

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Are you saying that you saw areas where it wasn't being clear or what's happening?

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Well, the entire internet is alive with the false misimpression that he's actually filed

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suit and is sitting before a real grand jury.

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And I want to make sure people understand that isn't true.

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Oh, I got it.

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Absolutely.

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People have been calling me saying, Hey, did you see the grand jury?

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And I said, no, they don't even have those in Europe.

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He's doing it.

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I guess that's the fine print to as the model for other grand juries to then take action.

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Yeah, but you can't do that.

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In other words, what I'm saying is it's not a model.

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There never will be a grand jury in the first place.

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He should be filing a civil suit where you don't need a grand jury.

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Grand juries are very heavily controlled by prosecutors.

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They are just common citizens and they are like yes men to the prosecutors.

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And it's very difficult to get a grand jury to really discuss the conspiratorial evidence.

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And you've got to have conspiratorial proof, which none of that opening statement requirement.

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We all know it's true, but there's no way to prove it.

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You don't have NSA transcripts of collusion between Fauci and the vaccine manufacturers

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and the lie.

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You can't prove they're lying, et cetera.

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So that's fascinating.

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First of all, there is a logistical reality that Skousen recognizes that Alex doesn't,

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which I think is really funny, but Skousen accidentally tipped the hand a little bit

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too much at the end there, which is you can't really do this in a grand jury because you

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don't have proof.

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Yep.

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You can't introduce conspiratorial proof.

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Shouldn't have done that.

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What's going on?

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What's going on with Skousen?

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Did he get hit in the head?

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Maybe.

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Did somebody hit him in the head with a pan like a cartoon and he just woke up one day

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and he was like, maybe I should tell people that they don't have proof.

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But that's, that's what's fascinating about his tone.

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He's recognizing there is no proof proof, but he also seems to be of the mind that quote

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unquote conspiratorial proof is good enough, which is insinuation, belief, that's not proof.

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Yeah.

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I mean, his literal point is you can't take this to a place where a grand jury is.

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They require proof.

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You have to go to a different court.

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You have to go to a civil court.

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So a grand jury has nothing to do with it.

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I think you do even have trouble in a civil court, but I think you'd have a lot of trouble

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in a civil court.

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Yeah.

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There's a, there's a, that's too much of an awareness that there's no proof for the things

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that they believe.

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Yeah.

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That's weird coming from him.

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I have not heard him really just start saying, throwing around, we don't have proof.

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Well we know that Fauci did all this stuff, but we can't prove it.

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Well see, that's a problem because you say you can prove it.

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We know it.

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We feel it.

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Right.

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It feels right.

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I agree.

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But you said you can prove it.

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Right.

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I can.

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Okay.

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Then prove it.

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Wait, what?

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Why not?

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I can't prove it.

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I can't prove it.

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Well then don't say you can prove it.

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Well I can prove it.

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Oh, okay.

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So, uh, this interview with Skousen was a little disappointing for Alex and I, I feel

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like he got a little deflated and, uh, yeah, I can understand that as the third hour is

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ending though, he's got the, someone put up the Alex bat signal.

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All right, folks, um, Wayne Allyn Root's got some big news and he was gonna be hosted

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the fourth hour, but he wants to be on, me to be on with him for some reason.

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I'm sure it's an important reason.

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So I'm going to be on the first segment, a long segment with him coming up.

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So Wayne Allyn Root has been like, we need you Alex.

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We got it.

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I'm hosting the fourth hour, but something bombshell stuff.

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It's too big.

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Too big to not have AJ right there.

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Yeah.

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So the big news is that he's interviewed Trump and, uh, so he's got some Trump goss.

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Big news.

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Some hot goss.

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Some hot Trump goss.

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All right.

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One of the big things is about how, uh, Wayne Allyn Root, uh, believes, uh, that Trump should

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be the speaker of the house.

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And I'm sorry, what?

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Hold on.

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Okay.

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Not only does Wayne Allyn Root believe this, he's pissed off that other people ascribe the

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idea to someone else.

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Some people say that Steve Bannon came up with that idea.

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It's my idea.

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Damn it.

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I want to take credit for the worst ideas.

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Well that's debatable if there was a worst idea.

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It's not a good one though.

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No.

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I mentioned him being speaker of the house, which I was the first guy in the country to

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ever bring that idea up that he'd be speaker of the house and a lot of people give me credit.

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All the media, every time they talk about it, they say Wayne Root asked him about it,

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but they say Steve Bannon is the one who first brought it up.

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Not true.

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Steve Bannon brought it up in February of 2021 I wrote about it in my nationally syndicated

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column in January of 2021.

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And I said, Trump should become speaker of the house and lead and open and lead the investigations,

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criminal investigations against Biden for everything he's about to do that we know will

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destroy this country.

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And so as Trump, whether he would be willing to be speaker of the house, I put my, my foot

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on his neck again and said, will you be willing to be speaker of the house?

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And he didn't say no, which is very interesting.

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He didn't say no.

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He said, well, I hope we don't need that.

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We shouldn't need that.

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But he wouldn't say no.

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That's a really good move because he could easily win a house seat anywhere he wants

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to do it.

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And then, and then they would vote him in as a speaker.

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That would be amazing.

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It would, it would, I don't, I don't think that would happen.

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But also, uh, Wayne Allen Root is fucked up because here's two things that are fucked

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up that he wants.

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He wants Trump to come in and investigate the guy who beat him in an election.

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Right.

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Certainly healthy.

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Above board.

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No conflicts of interest.

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Very healthy for a political system.

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Democracy.

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And then the second thing is that he wants him to investigate Biden for future crimes.

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Yes.

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Crimes that he, we know he will commit.

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Right.

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That's really messed up.

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Now I'll tell you this.

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Here's the problem.

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If I take the results of that in investigation to a grand jury, they are not going to believe

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it's boo.

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Probably not.

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No, it's, it's not really future crime proof thong.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, Alex thinks like, okay, Trump can get this house seat and then he'll become

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the speaker of the house.

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Wayne believes that there's a quicker route.

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Um, and oh my God, tell me about it.

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This is where Alex, I think even is just like, I should have surrounded by fucking idiots.

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You don't need to win a house seat.

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Anybody could be speaker of the house.

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They, after we win, after the Republicans control the house, you can name, you can vote

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in, first of all, you can nominate.

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I knew that too.

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I read your article back when it came out, but I mean at the same time he could just

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run for the Senate or run for the house.

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I know the Senate is different than the house for speaker, but that would be imagined.

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Senator Trump.

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That's a great leapfrog back into the white house, but, but it's clear to me, he doesn't

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want to do that.

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So I'd like, I'd rather make it easy for him now.

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All you have to do instead of running is be nominated for speaker of the house.

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And if the new house elects you, that's it.

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But have they ever had a speaker of the house that didn't come out of the house?

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I don't believe so, but that doesn't mean, Hey, did you ever think that elect Donald

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Trump president?

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Anything can happen in this world if you have enough momentum, anything can happen.

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I think Alex is even like, yeah, man, come on.

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Never had a speaker who wasn't from the house, but it is technically true that you can be

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elected even if you're not in the house, but that's never going to happen.

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No, this is a fun, wacky can do spirit that Wayne is embodying though.

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There's something, he's got, he's got ideas, bad ideas.

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So this isn't going to happen.

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It's not plausible in any way.

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And one of the main reasons for this is that there are tons of jobs that the speaker takes

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on from an administrative and party leadership position that I don't think the GOP would

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be interested in having Trump be in charge of, leaving alone the fact that like Trump

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doesn't want that much work.

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Also these motherfuckers like Alex and Wayne, they can agitate all they want about how their

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leadership in Congress is weak and ineffective.

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But in the real world, the greatest gift they could give the Democrats is somehow throwing

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out Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy and replacing them with some inept diplomatic

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lightweight who wouldn't be able to rally the caucus.

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The amazement that I have for conservatives who are like, Mitch McConnell's got to go,

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are like, have you guys not been around?

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Mitch McConnell has successfully kicked the entire ass of the United States for 30 years.

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Mitch McConnell's an asshole, but he's very effective at destroying the leadership role.

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That's something that should be of higher value to these extreme right pickles.

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He should get a fucking spot for life in the GOP.

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He stole a Supreme Court seat and then successfully got two more.

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He has destroyed the entirety of the Supreme Court for the rest of the United States' history.

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It's not a real court anymore.

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That's him.

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Yeah.

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That would not be achieved with a lesser party leader, someone who didn't have the

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ability to negotiate with various parts of the caucus and get everybody on the same page.

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It just would not have worked.

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And I don't think that people like Alex necessarily care about that or recognize the importance

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of that and just think like, oh, we'll get fucking Matt Gaetz in there and we'll run

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Russia.

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No, you will not.

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You will have your party fracture because he can't get people to come on board.

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The bananas idea that Trump is this big super strong man who we need to have lead the country,

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but well, because he doesn't say that he wants to do it, I'm going to make it easy for him.

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I need my big strong man to not have to work hard at all.

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And I hate Mitch McConnell, who has successfully steered this entire country into hell for

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30 years.

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He's worked his ass off to destroy everything.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I hate that guy.

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Give me the lazy asshole.

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Also, just from an odds perspective, we already talked about this when Marjorie Taylor Greene

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was on and they're talking about her becoming the Speaker of the House.

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There's no way you'd rally the kind of votes that you would need.

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She's in the House.

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The idea of rallying the kind of votes necessary to get Trump out of office to be Speaker of

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the House, former president, it's just impossible.

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There's no way.

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I mean, I like the acknowledgement that Trump shouldn't and couldn't have become president

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unless we live in a topsy-turvy world and anything can happen, but I'm going to go out

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on a limb here and I'm going to say this is one of the few things that absolutely cannot

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happen.

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Again, crazy world, but I still think this is not going to happen.

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This one's a little bit far-fetched.

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And I recognize also, talking about the Speaker of the House and McConnell's in the Senate

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and all that, but the point still stands in terms of the rallying of caucuses and Kevin

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McCarthy is quite competent as well, but the impact of trying to unseat these people who

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are very effective party leaders is stupid.

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It's amazing.

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It is amazing.

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Genuinely, if the Democrats had somebody like Mitch McConnell, it would have been ridiculous.

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And instead, Nancy Pelosi has $100 million, so that's nice.

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That is.

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Yeah.

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So we come to the end of this and I feel like this episode had a fun arc to it in as much

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as Alex is obsessed with the nuclear war and then scows and ruins it at the end, scows

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and kicks him a couple more times.

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Just a little kid holding birthday balloons as Skousen goes up with a pin and just pop,

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pop, pop.

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No, no.

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Pop.

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And then he looks at him.

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Pop.

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You see this kid?

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Yeah.

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And Alex has a goddamn Nazi on to talk about the truckers and Ted Anderson needs money.

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I mean, wild.

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This is a stupid show.

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How is this a show?

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I thought parts of it were pretty funny.

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It's very funny.

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Anyway, Jordan, we'll be back.

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We will.

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But until then, I hear tale that we have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed Jordan.

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Yep.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.