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Hey everybody, Dan here. Just wanted to give you a little introduction for this episode.

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This is an episode that Jordan and I recorded before he left for vacation,

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which explains why neither of us seem to have any idea of the news that broke over the weekend of Jeffrey Epstein's death.

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And that is a topic that there just was not enough time to turn around and get an episode out for Monday about.

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I will be taking care of that in the Wednesday episode, because by the time I would have been able to make an episode out of something,

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the only content that was really available of Alex covering it is a two-minute video that he shot in an airport

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where people behind him are looking very confused and very upset at being in the background against their will in an Alex Jones video.

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I felt very sad for these people. But he talks for about a minute about his feelings about Epstein's death,

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and then there's a minute of a commercial for his survival foods and water filtration.

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So that's a good sign. That does not make for an episode.

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So anyway, that will be on Wednesday. We'll have a modern-day episode.

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But I believe that this episode has a lot of fun in it. And I hope you do enjoy.

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Knowledge, right? I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.

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Knowledge, right? And your knowledge, right?

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We need money. Andy, Andy, Andy, Andy, Andy, Andy, it's time to pray.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the airplane for holding.

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Knowledge Fight.

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I love you.

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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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What up, Jordan?

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Dan?

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Yep.

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When you were going through puberty, did you have a lot of zits and stuff?

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Not a ton.

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No? Didn't have any skin issues?

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I wouldn't say I didn't have any, but it wasn't as big a problem as media had led me to believe it would be.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I thought for sure, based on all of the TV shows I'd watched, all of the teen dramas, that it would be like the biggest crisis.

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And it really wasn't. I mean, I got some zits here and there, and certainly it was always...

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I did feel embarrassed when you'd have a big white head, but it wasn't that terrible.

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I really was worried you were going to go pubes.

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No.

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I really thought you were going through puberty when you start getting them hairs.

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Boring! I don't want to know.

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That's boring.

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I don't want to know.

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That's fair. And I won't tell you.

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No, I'm interested just because I was watching one of those teenage drama series with my girlfriend last night,

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and it was very much like I was trying to think back on my high school experience, and I didn't really have that many skin issues either.

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I think I went through puberty really early, maybe, because I had a beard really young, or at least facial hair, that came in as a full beard much earlier than a lot of...

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Did you literally just tell me when you got your beard?

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No. I said beard.

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I know, I know.

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And then also my voice was pretty low pretty early, like in a way that was noticeable to people around me.

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People would think I was an adult when I answered the phone and stuff like that.

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Oh no, absolutely.

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But yeah, maybe I'm lucky. I don't know.

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That's nice.

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Yeah.

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That's nice. I always assumed growing up that it was going to be like, I'm going to get an entire pimple face.

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Because my little sister did have that experience of just like, oh man, she did the whole, you gotta buy the creams, and you gotta...

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Accutane.

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You gotta do the whole thing.

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And it was, it was brutal.

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So I felt amazed that I dodged that bullet.

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Our hearts go out to the folks who have struggled with acne.

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Yeah. It's tough.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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This is a podcast where I don't know a whole lot about that subjective experience, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones.

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And I don't know anything about either.

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Correct. And currently you are on vacation.

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Yay!

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We are recording this before you take off for vacation, but you will be gone halfway across the world when this comes out, and you will be free of any consequences.

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Man, this is, I'm not going to tweet, period, until I get back, because I don't want to get on that, I don't want to have that experience of like, saying, sending some tweet that when I land in South Africa is like, oh the internet just killed me. Shit.

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Oh, I lost my job I don't have.

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Oh man.

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So I wanted to get together with you and record an episode in advance, of course, because the people won't, you can't stand a whole week plus without the two of us hanging out, talking shit about Alex Jones.

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Honestly, I'm going to miss it, which is crazy.

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Yeah, but he'll be back soon enough.

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Of course.

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The problem that comes in with that is that we're very limited possibilities, you know, we can't really do a present day episode as well because we're recording this preemptively, so we've got to stick around in 2013 or do Wacky Wednesday, and we've decided we will do one of each.

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So today we're going to be back in 2013, we're going to be looking at March 13th and 14th, 2013, and I think we're actually turning a bit of a corner here.

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Really?

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I think these couple days have some pretty wild shit.

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They found the Zodiac Killer.

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That is not what happens.

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Oh, okay, but there's a development.

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I will say one new development that I can spoil ahead of time, we get a new pope.

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Ooh! That's right.

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That happens over the span of days.

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We do get a new pope, holy shit!

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Yeah.

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That's wild to think about.

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Mm-hmm.

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This is, uh, that couple days plays much less of a role in anything that happens than you might think.

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Yeah.

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And Alex would be very excited about this and full of angles about it.

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Nope.

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Spoiler alert, this is just a racist mess of a couple days.

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That sounds about right.

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This is one of the most racist, uh, things I've ever heard from Alex's show.

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This couple days is profoundly racist.

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In period. In 2013.

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Yes.

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No shit.

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Yeah.

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It's deeply, deeply racist.

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So you get rid of a Nazi pope and Alex gets racist.

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I think that makes perfect sense.

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He's got to even out the balance.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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The universe must, uh, yeah.

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We'll get to that, and we'll also get to giving some shout-outs to people who have signed up in support of the show.

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But I actually found two out-of-context drops for today's show, so let's get one of them in before the shout-outs.

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I have no guilt. I'm a really good guy. I'm trying to free humanity, okay? So take it how you want it.

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Alright.

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Okay.

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Real good guy, no guilt.

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No guilt.

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No guilt.

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That sounds like something that somebody without guilt says all the time.

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Somebody with no guilt says all the time.

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It's not someone who's doth protest it too much.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I have no guilt, only appreciation for the people that I would like to give a shout-out to now.

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Nicely done.

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Thanks.

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But that's not even true. You do have some guilt.

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I do have a little guilt.

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You've barely just proved the point.

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I have a bit of guilt about anybody who supports our show.

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I know.

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I'm trying to work through it. It's my own fucking psychological mess.

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But I do appreciate everybody from the bottom of my heart.

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And so I would like to say, first of all, this person today is lousy with joke names.

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Okay.

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And this first one is somebody who I will say your name.

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But I am not sure that I endorse the message that your name implies.

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Oh boy.

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But by Ethereum, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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We do not advocate for cryptocurrencies of any form, except MaxCoin.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Becca, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Becca.

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Jennifer, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Jennifer.

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Next, Alex Jones killed my dog.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much, Alex Jones.

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Thank you, the truth.

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So then finally, I'd like to give some shout-outs to some people who donated on an elevated level.

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We appreciate it very much.

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So Melissa, thank you so much.

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Tasha, thank you so much.

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And there are no wild wolves in Chicago.

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You saw a coyote.

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Thank you so much.

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And that very well might be.

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I'm willing to accept that.

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I told the story of seeing a wolf.

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I believe it to be a wolf, but if it's a coyote, then so be it.

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Whatever.

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I will take your criticism and accept it.

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And thank you, along with Melissa and Tasha.

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You are all wonderful technocrats.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate.

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That's fantastic.

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Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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We got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you.

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Thank you so much, Melissa, Tasha, and there are no wild wolves in Chicago.

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You saw a coyote.

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Yes, thank you.

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We appreciate it.

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You know, telling somebody that they're wrong while also donating some of their money to

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something that's important really helps the medicine go down.

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It really does.

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It really does.

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Yeah.

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Being kicked while supported feels familiar.

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Yeah.

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So, Jordan, we've got this episode to go over.

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Oh, and if you are listening and you'd like to support the show, you can do that by going

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to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.

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We would appreciate it.

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Please do.

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Now, before we get into today's proceedings, here is the second out of context drop from

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today's show.

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They literally attack our testicles.

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Okay.

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All right.

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All right.

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Literally.

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So, we're going to have the most racist couple of episodes, and it's started off by they're

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kicking us in the balls, fellas.

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I think if I recall the context of that, it's less of an outward assault on the testicles

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and more of a pharmacological attack.

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Who cares?

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Yes.

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Alex is worried about his balls.

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Absolutely.

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So, we start on the 13th, and right at the beginning of the show, we get an announcement

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of a big guest that Alex is going to have on, and this is continuing in this trend.

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It's interesting to see, because right before he went on vacation, he had Ted Nugent, Michael

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Savage.

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He had these big gits on the show, and he was super excited about it, riding the wave

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of fighting Piers Morgan.

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All this like, I'm penetrating other people's market spaces, and now he's trying to continue

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that with someone who is familiar to him.

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It's not a stranger or anything, but it's someone who has a gigantic presence.

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I've seen the numbers.

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Trade publications vary, but the second most listened to show in this country is not Sean

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Hannity, and it is not certainly Glenn Beck.

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It is George Norrie, and I find him to be a very interesting individual, and he's really

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helped us get the word out over the years, and I wanted to get him on about the nature

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of reality and where he sees humanity going and the times that he sees ahead, because

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it was George now, ten years ago, who started putting me on Coast to Coast AM for full shows,

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three hours.

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Nowadays, to talk about the New World Order and prison camps and checkpoints and drones

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and surveillance grids and deadly vaccines, that's pretty much passe.

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I tuned into two different shows on 590 yesterday, and I tuned into WOAI in San Antonio while

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I was out driving to work and driving back yesterday and doing some errands.

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Every show was saying there's a police state takeover, the government runs Al-Qaeda, we're

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in deep trouble.

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I would argue that you're hearing those things.

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That's not indicative of widespread, everybody's talking about that.

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Those are the stations you're on.

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If they're airing your show, they might be selected towards covering similar topics.

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Yeah.

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So that's not a good thing.

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No.

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My shit's going worldwide.

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Yeah, that's not a good thing.

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So Alex has George Norrie from Coast to Coast AM, who's going to come up on this episode.

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And Alex saying that George Norrie was the first person to give him a large platform

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is a perfect argument for why softball programs like Coast to Coast AM could be pretty dangerous.

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They're usually not.

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Joe Rogan!

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Sorry.

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I think it's a little bit different, but yeah, there are similarities.

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I know, I know.

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Yeah.

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I mean, in terms of that, Joe is more critical of his guests than George Norrie is.

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Right, right, right.

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Of course, of course.

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It's hard not to be more critical than George Norrie.

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George Norrie is just like, he might as well not be there.

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His curiosity is more, yeah.

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So most of the time, I don't think his show is a problem.

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Like, Coast to Coast isn't a problem a lot of the time.

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You'll end up with a charming eccentric or someone pitching ideas that are so far past

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the point of believability that they're not really threatening.

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However, a platform like that, where the host has cultivated an audience full of open-minded

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but not that critical people, where the host has a policy of not being a hostile interviewer

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and letting people speak their piece, a platform like that is an ideal target for someone like Alex.

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It's the greatest gift you could ever give a malignant narcissist looking to expand their flock.

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With a show like Coast to Coast, the hard work needs to be done in the booking process.

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You can have a loose, freewheeling, non-confrontational interview, but if you do,

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you have a responsibility to not allow people on your show who are only there to poach your audience

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and get them into their cult.

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If you encourage open-mindedness and complete naivete in your audience,

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you have an obligation to then protect them from malicious influences.

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And that's a part of the equation that none of these people who run shows like this seem to get.

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If they don't book their show very carefully, what they're basically doing is corralling gullible people

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into one centralized place where they can be targeted by someone with bad will.

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And that seems to be at least a piece of Alex Jones' rise to prominence and relevance.

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And for this and many other reasons, I would like to say that George and Ori can go fuck himself.

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Yeah, yeah. George and Ori put all that fish in the barrel and then Alex shot him.

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Yeah.

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That's exactly what happened.

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It's a phenomenon that I don't know that necessarily a lot of these people are all that cognizant that they're engaging in.

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But when you have a show like Coast to Coast AM where everything is based on a lack of evidence,

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like nobody has any evidence of any of the shit they're saying,

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and they're just open-minded to maybe this is possible,

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that is a breeding ground.

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That is a warm petri dish that you can introduce whatever you want into it and let it grow.

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Absolutely.

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And it's dangerous.

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And while you're in there, eventually you're going to have to graduate into,

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well now I need to know what is true.

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I can't stay open-minded and all that stuff until you get older.

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You'll make a decision of what is true.

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There it is.

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But you're not going to necessarily demand the proof.

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Oh, no, no. I mean eventually you're going to want a truth.

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You're going to stop wanting the open-minded anything is possible and start wanting some sort of certainty.

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I've spent all my time.

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You'll err towards that.

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Certainly that'll be a direction you'll go in and someone like Alex will provide you that truth.

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Exactly.

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And it'll be there.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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I don't think that this is any statement that I'm making that something like Coast to Coast shouldn't exist.

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No, absolutely.

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Or that they should be censored or banned.

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But it needs to be a part of the equation that these people running shows like this have.

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Or they need to be open about the fact that we're trying to dupe people.

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Right.

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You shouldn't be able to pretend that your intentions aren't in that direction

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and then behave in every way that leads towards that.

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Yeah.

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You need an ombudsman.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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I don't know what they do, but yes.

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So Alex in that clip there also was saying that, you know, like I listen to all these radio stations.

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It's passe to talk about the stuff that I talk about.

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It's all normal now.

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There's a little bit of a delusion of grandeur that's in there too.

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Because he's not just saying that his ideas are all mainstream.

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He's convinced that he's the reason they're mainstream and all of these people are just following his wake.

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And there might be some truth to that, but it's not the whole picture.

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He was on the air just going, yeah, yeah, government runs Al-Qaeda.

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And I heard the morning show saying it.

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And this is without it being on Drudge Report, which most radio shows go and get their news from.

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This was without even being on Infowars.

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It was not even a meme in the media.

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And I heard three shows yesterday, and when you see a chain reaction like that, and I see that more and more,

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or something out of the ether.

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Well, I haven't called Jeff, but I'll guarantee you that all three of the shows, W.O.A.I. and the two 590 shows,

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heard my Sunday show where I talked about it for about an hour and a half of the two hours.

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So he said at the beginning, it's not on Infowars, but then 30 seconds later, he's like, I guarantee you.

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They listen to my show. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, it's not on Infowars, but it was on Infowars.

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It wasn't on the website, but I talked about it.

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Yeah, so everybody's listening.

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So that's a little bit grandiose.

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And then also, real dangerous mentality to have that everybody gets all their, all radio shows just read from Drudge.

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I think he accidentally gave up the game.

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Most radio shows just get their news from Drudge, so it's okay that I get my news from Drudge.

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Most radio, it's most radio shows.

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It does seem like maybe a justification.

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So I told you that this is a really racist couple of days, and it starts pretty quick.

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I would have to.

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Because Alex is on some, like, they're attacking white people shit.

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That's his big narrative on the 13th.

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And when you really get down to the bottom of what's going on here, his intentions become crystal clear.

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People couldn't believe it, couldn't believe it for four or five days when we first broke the MIAC,

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then the, not just the state level report, the federal master report, and others.

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And since then, there's over 100 FBI manuals and flyers given to every business you can imagine.

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From animal husbandry to tattoos, from barbershops to clothiers, you name it, saying,

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blue jeans, cell phones, a sign of terrorism, but the number one sign, and it says it in the manuals.

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But I'm about to show you one right now.

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Not a manual, LA Times.

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They say being white is the sign of terror.

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So he says, he's going to read to you from the manual.

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It's not the manual, it's the LA Times.

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Yeah.

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What are you doing?

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How could you get that wrong?

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You call the LA Times like some sort of a manual?

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Well, what do you think?

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Like an internal manual?

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It was a fucking op-ed article.

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Yeah, but he was quoting the manual, right?

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No!

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Oh, okay, well then never mind.

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This is stupid.

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This is ridiculous.

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So apparently there's an LA Times article that says that if you're white, you're a terrorist.

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That doesn't sound true.

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Cause it's not.

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Aww.

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But I didn't know really what to go on here, and I wasn't quite sure.

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It just seemed like he could be talking about nothing.

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Or anything.

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Right.

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I was like, uh, I need more details.

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And so a little bit later in the episode, he gives some more details and we figure out

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what is up.

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And he went on slimeball, Mark Potok went on and said, we're putting out another red

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alert.

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The new threat is white gun owners.

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They're going to attack.

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And in their report, and in their letter, and what the letter sourced was their report,

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guess who's at the top of the list?

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A-L-E-X-A-N-D-E-R-J-O-N-E-S.

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And what does that spell?

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Alexander Jones.

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Who is that?

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You bet.

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I love that at the end there.

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Who is that?

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You bet.

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That's not even, that doesn't even make sense.

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So, I think slimeball is hardball.

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Okay.

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I'm pretty sure.

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Come on.

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So we got this, this Mark Potok went on TV and was saying that there's a white extremist

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issue that we should pay attention to.

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He wasn't right.

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Uh huh.

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It's a good thing that nobody ever listened to him.

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And it's, so it's fair to say, or it is fair that Mark Potok was talking about the possible

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threat that was posed by some members of the white gun owner community.

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But here, what we're seeing, Alex, as usual, is leaving out some very important context.

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Mark's comments were in response to a video that was put out by a Tennessee weapons instructor

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by the name of James Yeager, literally saying that if Obama put forth any gun control measures,

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it was time to, quote, start killing people.

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Mark Potok was just quoting James Yeager.

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It's really indicative of the sort of gaslighting that Alex engages in all the time, what we're

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seeing here.

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Some gun weirdo threatens to kill people.

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Then, someone who works at the SPLC says, it would be wise to pay attention to this

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guy threatening to kill people and people in his community who are making similar threats.

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And Alex ignores the original threat and pretends that the SPLC guy is nuts and just saying

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that all white people are terrorists.

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This really is one of the main tricks that Alex uses on his show, the robbing a story

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or comment of prior context that would make it make complete sense.

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All that happened here was that Potok wrote an article about this threat and provided

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specific examples of other groups and individuals around the country who are making similar

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threats about a violent revolution that they were ready to set off.

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This article that he wrote was published in Salon on January 11th, and Potok had been

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a guest on Hardball to discuss the topic, which Alex, I assume, is responding to.

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I know that he needs to make a big deal out of every perceived slight against white people,

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but really, you should know what's going on here, and you should know what actually is

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going on here, because this is what Alex is turning into all whites are terrorists.

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But there's more.

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The original article at the center of this whole thing, like I said, was Mark Potok

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responding to a video put out by James Yeager, and once you realize who James Yeager is,

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everything comes into focus.

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Yeager is the CEO of Tactical Response, a company that sells weapons, weapon parts,

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and tactical training.

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They're also a sponsor of Alex's show.

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Yeager's been on the show many times, and Alex sells gun parts from his site on his

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website, or at least he definitely did in the past.

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I'm not sure if he still does.

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That relationship is mysteriously undisclosed in Alex's commentary about Mark Potok,

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the LA Times, all of this.

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It's nonsense.

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No, that's not okay.

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No.

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That's just not okay.

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How is that a thing?

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How is that a thing that can happen?

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But man, there are so many things that aren't illegal and that I don't know how to police

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correctly, but really shouldn't be possible or okay.

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Yeah, I mean, what you have is a level of manipulation and a level of...

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There's intent behind it.

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Absolutely.

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So Mark Potok is the guy who worked at the SPLC center who is behind the report that

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the LA Times article is based on, so it's at the root of all of this stuff.

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And Mark Potok's article that he wrote for Salon that was an extension of this commentary

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is about James Yeager.

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So you have this explicit connection between this all being about people explicitly threatening

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to kill people if there is any gun control measures passed.

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So, you got a cart and horse situation that's completely...

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Alex is forgetting about what's actually behind the chicken and egg, if you will.

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You know, whatever the cause and effect is, he's ignoring the cause, talking about the

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effect as if it exists in a vacuum.

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Right.

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And it's abusive.

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It's a manipulative strategy that I think is just bullshit.

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And he only does this when it's issues about white people.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, he thinks that white gun owners should be able to threaten to kill people with no

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consequences and that way they can terrorize them into doing whatever they want.

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He's a terrorist.

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Well, what's really interesting about this is that Alex, because of the LA Times article,

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the Mark Podak on slimeball, because of all that, Alex is making a big prediction in this

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next clip, we will see.

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And it's pretty extreme.

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And I think I understand what's going on.

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They've got all these movies coming out where, you know, militias attack the White House.

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So they can stage a false flag, have it be incredibly immoral what happens, blow up a

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nursery like Oklahoma City, whatever, and then blame it on us and say, see, we told

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you so.

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And they are they are moving into fire zone.

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The Death Star is clear to fire in five minutes.

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So here again, this is what we talked about on our on our last Wednesday episode, the

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pre-hype.

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This is the pre-hype for the attack.

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Yep.

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I mean, politically speaking, five seconds.

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It is coming around, to use the Star Wars analogy, coming around Yavin and is about

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to be cleared of fire.

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OK, I mean, the Death Star is coming around.

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And if you're not in your X-wing out there right now, fighting every day to expose these

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murdering terrorists, they're going to bring in the red terror.

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They're panicked.

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They're scared.

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They know we've got the initiative.

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And this is history happening right now.

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The Death Star is clear to fire in five seconds.

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That means any minute now, any time we're in a death struggle to back them off, to expose

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them so they don't pull it off and they they hold back and don't do it.

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And then when they do do it, if they do do it, we're going to really be able to deal

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with them because people now know we got people everywhere watching.

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The minute they blow something up, folks, get your camera.

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Everyone should carry cameras on them at all times.

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So what's really interesting here is that within a couple of weeks, the Boston bombing

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happens.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is here and he's saying these things and people are going to interpret that as

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him predicting the Boston bombing.

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And when the Boston bombing does happen, he's going to be able to say, I predicted this.

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He's not responding to the L.A.

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Times or the SPLC or Mark Podak.

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He's responding to knowing that James Yeager and people like him are threatening to do

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stuff like this.

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Yeah.

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This is protection.

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This is self-defense.

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Right.

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This is a pre-emptive justification for things that he has a very good idea that some of

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his militia buddies are going to do.

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That's what's going on here.

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Oh, that'd be that.

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That's too conspiracy even for me that he's that there's that his predictions of a terrorist

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attack are based around his militia buddies planning a terrorist attack, telling him about

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it, having him say that there's going to be one that they're going to blame on them.

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No, no, no, no.

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And then to be clear, that's not exactly what I'm saying.

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I'm not saying that James Yeager told him about a plot that he's aware of.

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I'm saying that Alex is aware of the world and these corners of the world enough to know

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this SPLC guy coming out and warning and saying, hey, this is a this is a serious problem.

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There are these white right wing militias that it would be wise to pay attention to.

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Alex knows that that's in response to things that are like people he knows, people who

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sponsor his show.

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He knows that they are the people who have made threats like that.

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Mark Potok and his comments don't exist devoid of context.

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He's not saying this to demonize white people.

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He's saying this because other people have made these threats.

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Alex knows that.

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And he knows that these people might fucking follow through on their threats.

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It would be wise for me to protect the business, to go ahead and create a preemptive narrative

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in case one of them does blow something up.

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And if they do blow something up, then I get to make a whole bunch of money saying it was

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fake and I can create a whole new season based on that.

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And then it's it's a perfect strategy for him.

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Yeah, he's running interference on white nationalist terror.

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Well, that's a big part of it, because then another big part of it is it's what it's best

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for his business.

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No, for sure.

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There's a financial motivation and an ideological motivation, right?

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It's best for his business, but at the same time, it's also best for the terrorists, because

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I mean, we would we would almost certainly have done more to investigate or the FBI would

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have done more to investigate white nationalist terror if there weren't a massive amount of

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people who are supporting the fucking president, you know, as they or even back in 2009 when

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the Mayak report came out, if there weren't people like Alex and his ilk agitating against

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this, the looking at terrorism as a broader problem than just the people from the Middle

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East.

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Right.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And, you know, there's a there's an even further benefit to it that like, let's say no one

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does anything like that.

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None of these terrorist militia guys that Alex knows and supports and is cool with.

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Let's say none of them end up doing anything.

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It's still good for his business to act this way because there is the white identity angle

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to it.

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Yeah.

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There is the white victimhood, the aggrievement that he makes so much money off of that's

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so central to being the fuel for his worldviews.

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Right.

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So in the chance that something happens, great, you got a preemptive defense for it.

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Yep.

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In the case that nothing happens, we're still making money.

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We're still making money here.

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It's the perfect thing to happen or at least it's a perfect response for him to have to

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have somebody saying, like, we should take this fucking seriously because these guys

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are planning shit and they're overtly saying what they're going to do.

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Yeah, they're making terrorist threats.

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Yeah.

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At the same time, he's making it inevitable for one of them to do it eventually.

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In a long enough span of time, yes, I would say given enough time and enough, you know,

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sort of support from media figures like Alex, yeah, it does feel inevitable.

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Especially now that we live in what is the inevitable.

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Certainly with the context and insight of six more years of history, it does feel inevitable.

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But I don't want to apply that to Alex's mentality back then because I don't know if that's...

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We can only speculate that, yeah.

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What feels a lot more likely is just in case, let's build this narrative and also money,

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money, money.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So Alex gets around to reading some of this L.A. Times op-ed, and I don't think he does

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a good job of interpreting the text.

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Let me show you what's in the L.A. Times.

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Told you this was coming.

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Oh, my God.

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I mean, peril from patriots.

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The U.S. needs to keep a close watch on the growing threat of homegrown extremist groups.

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Now it gets worse.

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Look at who they show as the extremist.

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Only criminals and government want unarmed public.

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What part of shall not be infringed, you don't understand.

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Repeal and negate.

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Now it gets worse.

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First they say you're radical.

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Then they say there are an increasing frightening numbers of cells, it's cells, of angry men

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in the United States preparing for combat with the U.S. government.

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They're usually heavily armed, blinded by intractable hatred.

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You mean wide awake to your evil, and we know who you are.

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Often motivated by religious zeal.

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They're not jihadist.

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They are white.

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They are white right wing Americans.

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They've now announced white men are terrorists.

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That's the headline, Kurt Nemo.

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L.A. Times announces white men are terrorists.

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So you see how easy a jump he makes there from the saying some white men engage in terrorism

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to being like they're saying that white people are terrorists, right?

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That's insane.

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Right.

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I mean, it's the only thing that he can say, I think, honestly, well, not just that, but

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to fit within his worldview, because he already thinks that everybody who's a Muslim is a

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terrorist.

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So for you to...

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He keeps that close to the vest back then.

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Well, yeah.

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But in that extent, you know, why don't they call him radical Islam?

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It's because they're all secretly radical Islamists.

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So every brown person is a terrorist.

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And if he wants to maintain any kind of ideological consistency, if you call one person a terrorist

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in a group, all of them are terrorists.

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There's probably a piece of that, but I think the larger...

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Oh, he doesn't know that.

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He's not doing that on purpose, but that's how he thinks.

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Probably.

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Yeah.

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But I think the larger piece of it is that he can't argue on the merits of are there

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white people who are terrorists?

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Because if that's the conversation, that falls apart entirely.

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He's going to have to go out of his way to deny every act of what...

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I mean, he tries.

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Has he...

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He tries.

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Hasn't stopped him yet.

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No, he tries.

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But there's plenty that he has no awareness of, and they just...

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On his radar.

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Right, right, right.

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So he'd have to do so much work about these specific cases and finding ways to turn them

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into conspiracies.

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Sure.

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And he's not up for it.

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So instead, you change the argument that's being had to, they're saying that white people

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are terrorists.

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Right.

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They're so fucking nonspecific and stupid that you can just grandstand on that all you

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want.

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Go ahead.

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It's a pointless argument.

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Yeah.

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But he'd rather have those pointless arguments than lose the argument that some white people

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are committing terrorist acts.

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Right, right.

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Yeah.

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No, there's...

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I've said it before, but nobody has more in common with ISIS than white Christian militia

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people.

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And Alex.

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And Alex.

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Who is, yeah.

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So Alex gets around to getting really extreme about what he thinks is going to happen because

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of this trend that he's seeing.

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So he's making this prediction that there's going to be a false flag.

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And that whenever it happens, everybody get your cameras out.

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Get those cameras.

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Which he actually probably doesn't want them to do because then they'll actually see that

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it was a regular old...

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But what he can do then is take the footage and take the parts out that make it not suspicious.

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Ooh, good call.

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And then cast suspicions around.

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I like it.

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But you could hear that and think like, oh, he's predicting that this Boston bombing is

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going to happen.

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Right?

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You could hear that from his pressured tone about like, they're going to blow something

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up.

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But when he gets more specific, you start to understand that like, he doesn't know what

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he's talking about.

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This is such a vague idea.

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This is the extreme level that he's predicting.

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Certain M.O.'s articles up on DrudgeReport.com right now.

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God help us.

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God help us.

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Folks, I know what's going to happen next.

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You wonder why I'm writing down a cry sometimes?

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I think they're going to nuke a city.

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That's what my gut tells me.

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Thousands of points of analysis.

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Obama and his controllers are looking at detonating a low-yield nuclear weapon in a city and blaming

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us.

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And they're going to kill me hours after it happens.

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We'll be right back.

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Stay with us.

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In 2019, when we were discussing Alex's narratives that he was building about the El Paso and

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Dayton shooting, he discussed the Arlington Road model, the Arlington Road system.

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Yeah.

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In 2013 here, he's talking about the government nuking a city and then killing him, presumably

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I guess, to set him up.

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I suppose.

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Right?

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He's kind of discussing the Arlington Road system.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Yeah.

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Huh.

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That movie was out before this.

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Yeah?

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I don't know.

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He must have really liked that movie.

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Yeah.

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I would say that this is stupid.

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Obama's going to nuke a fucking city.

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It's a low-yield nuke, man, so it's not that big a deal.

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Did you see how the 24 seconds of that clip took a little journey?

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It started with, you know, I break down crying because I have a feeling that they might nuke

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a city.

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And then he said Obama and his controllers are considering using a low-yield nuke on

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an American city.

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That shifts from a prediction to, like, that tone is reporting.

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Yeah.

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Obama and his controllers are considering this.

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That's not saying, I feel like they're going to.

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Right.

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The tone of that is very much like as if he has a reason to believe that other than his

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stupid analysis of the world.

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That's dangerous.

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Yeah, it's hard even now.

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I don't know if it's easier or harder now to mix up those tones because everything he

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says is a feeling and is based in, at best, seventh-hand knowledge of the summary of somebody

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else's sixth-hand knowledge of something.

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Sure.

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You know?

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So whenever he changes tone from opinion to reporting, I don't really notice it because

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it's all the same thing there.

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Yeah.

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I can see how if I didn't have this level experience, though, that that would be an

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insidious way of transforming your apocalyptic predictions into something that someone would

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take as reporting.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And for a lot of others' purposes, he's doing it probably, I would say, I don't know how

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much intentional, how much it's just muscle memory, but with the hopes that people will

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take it more seriously than it deserves to be taken because all it is is him talking

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shit.

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Right.

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So we don't have any clips of George Norrie's interview because it's really boring and very

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bad.

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But what it does solidify is that Norrie fucking loves Alex Jones.

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And it's not just lip service.

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The two of them are on the same page about a lot of political stuff, which you would

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know if you listen to a little bit of Coast to Coast AM, because he does let that show

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a little bit more than someone who is presumably impartial and just like a guy who wants to

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let people talk about stuff.

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Sure.

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Like he's very, very against left social causes.

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Yeah, of course.

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And so that's not surprising.

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The two of them just have a bowl session about how great Alex is and who cares?

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It's not worth our time.

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Good times.

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Alex has another guest that's coming up on this show.

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Sure.

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This is James O'Keefe for Project Camelot.

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God dammit.

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Project Veritas.

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God dammit.

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Now, we don't have to listen to him on the show and there's a reason.

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We had scheduled the Project Veritas, who put together a video of police and all these

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departments saying, no, you shouldn't be able to own guns, get a dog.

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And so and then O'Keefe, I'm told under the weather, so we're going to see if we're going

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to have one of his other cohorts on the broadcast coming up here in about 30 minutes.

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But regardless, we're going to play that video slash audio.

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James O'Keefe canceled on Alex.

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He's pretending he's sick so he doesn't have to come talk to this guy.

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He's under the weather, Dan.

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He's not sick.

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Wait, he's sick.

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I'm sorry.

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I gave a Freudian slip.

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He's sick.

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He's sick.

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He's totally sick.

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I don't believe he's sick.

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Of course not.

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I believe it's like, I don't want to do this.

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Which is sad.

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This seems like a hassle.

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Which is sad for Alex.

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I don't want to make this 15 minute phone call.

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Yeah, because I'm going to be pissed if O'Keefe is busy.

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Yeah, that's insane.

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So like I mentioned at the beginning of the episode, we get a new pope.

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And on the 13th of March, that is when the smoke, the light smoke came above the chimney

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in Vatican.

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And we found that there was a new pope.

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And Alex takes this news gracefully.

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Also white smoke rises over Vatican.

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A new pope has been elected.

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Let's fade up Fox News here whenever we get a chance to do that.

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And we will be breaking more of that down here today as that unfolds.

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All right.

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So I mean, that's just as close to like a reporting of the facts that actually happened.

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So Alex has some more commentary about the new pope here.

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We don't know that it's Francis yet.

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And so here's here's some cover on that.

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They have still not announced who the new pope is, the white smoke's been coming out.

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They'll build the anticipation with all the showmanship and announce it.

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When are they saying they're going to announce the new pope is?

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Because I'm actually interested.

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I want to know politically what that means.

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So this is interesting to me.

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So I've mentioned this before on the show, like I went back and checked the episodes

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around the time that Pope Benedict stepped down as pope when I was trying to find a good

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one off episode to cover for one of our live shows.

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I felt the odds were pretty strong that Alex was going to be freaking out about it.

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It's a big world news.

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I figured he'd have an angle on it.

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So I just wanted to check.

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But Alex was on vacation when that happened.

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And as it turns out, that was the vacation we just passed here in 2013.

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Benedict resigned on February 28th, 2013.

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And now here on March 13th, we're getting to experience in real time Alex Jones's response

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to the news that there is a new pope, which I would describe as mildly interested curiosity.

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This is interesting, because it tells me that Alex had no idea who the new pope was going

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to be.

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But according to his own self-told backstory, he should know.

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According to Alex nowadays, Leo Zagami predicted that Benedict was going to step down, and

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even predicted Francis as the next pope.

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The way Alex tells the story, it's heavily implied that Alex knew about Zagami's prediction

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and watched them play out in real time.

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But here we see Alex wondering who the next pontiff is going to be.

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I think this is probably because Alex didn't meet Leo Zagami until 2015, which is a bit

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of a problem.

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For that timeline to work out?

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Yeah, a little bit tough.

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Alex is just taking as truth Leo's claims that he predicted that Benedict would step

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down with no substantiating proof.

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I can find zero proof that Leo Zagami made this prediction before Benedict resigned.

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And knowing as much about him as I do, I'm very comfortable assuming that this is something

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he made up after the fact and pretended he'd known all along.

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Most of the citations to this prediction go back to Leo's book, Pope Francis?

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The Last Pope?

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Money Masons and Occultism and the Decline of the Catholic Church.

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First of all, two subtitles, no good.

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But that book wasn't published until April 2015.

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A further reason to be suspicious is that when Leo was on Alex's show in October 2015,

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he said that he knew from a high-level Vatican source that Francis was going to step down

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and resign after he visited his home country of Argentina, and that was going to happen

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in 2016.

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This didn't happen, which calls into question the veracity of his sources.

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Between that, every other piece of information in the world about Leo Zagami, and the fact

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that literally no one seems to be able to produce evidence that he actually predicted

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Benedict's resignation before it happened, I'm comfortable with my position that this

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is a load of bullshit.

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And it's a load of bullshit that Alex believed when Leo told him about it, probably, again,

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just because Leo's Italian and fairly good at improv.

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He's got that accent.

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I would even go so far as to say it doesn't just question the veracity of Leo Zagami's

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sources, but their existence at all, Dan.

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You bet.

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And we can clearly see here, in 2013, Alex had no idea who the new pope was going to

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be.

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He could even bring up that his good buddy Leo Zagami made a very real prediction that

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happens to come true.

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Like Alex should be freaking out, not just about the white smoke, he should be freaking

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out about the whole thing, because Leo Zagami predicted Benedict's resignation.

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Yeah, no, that's a world-shattering event.

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If you predicted the resignation of a pope, then you are fucking top dog.

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We're already deep into his prediction coming true.

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It's not like the prediction is only true if Francis is the one who's named pope.

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Alex should have every reason to be in the middle of an extended freak-out, but he doesn't

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know Leo Zagami.

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When was the last time a pope resigned?

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It's been a long time.

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It's been hundreds of years.

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So if you predicted that one, damn.

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Even though you knew he was a Nazi.

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If you predicted that, that's evidence of either you do have good sources, or you're

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the kind of crazy person who would make a fucking long-shot prediction, and you got

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the luckiest you have ever put in your life.

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And knowing what I know about Leo Zagami, I'm inclined towards the latter.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, that's a million typewriters, a million chimpanzees situation where, I mean, yeah,

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technically somebody could have made that prediction, and it could have come true, but

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damn.

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If that's real, and he made that prediction, and it came true, that is not convincing to

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me that he has good sources, but it's enough to make me like, I gotta track all of his

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other predictions, because if he has a good track record, and that is among his hits,

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that's very, very interesting.

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That's very serious.

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Considering almost all of his other predictions are shit, he took credit for 9-11 and said

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he was Jesus, and claims to have created a cult based on the movie The Matrix.

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Yeah, he did.

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And I'm gonna go ahead and say this is something he created as a part of his fictionalized

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backstory, and Alex has bit hook, line, and sinker in the present day, but he had no idea

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here in 2013.

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That does always make me think of the reality that with the infinite number of possibilities

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and probabilities in the universe, it is entirely possible for one person to live their entire

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life and have every prediction that they've ever made come true.

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And it'd just be a coincidence.

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And it'd just be a coincidence.

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And I think about how miserable you would be if you were that person.

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It would be the worst feeling in the world.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What would be weird about it is if you recognized it, at some point you would probably start

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trying to make really fucked up predictions.

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Exactly.

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To try and like ruin the streak.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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So you wouldn't have to feel like you predict everything, and then would those come true?

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You would drive you insane.

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Yeah, you would probably, you would be plagued by it.

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Oh yeah, it'd be a nightmare.

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Yeah, but I think everybody who like, you know, there are people who have better luck,

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let's say.

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Yeah.

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Things tend to go their way.

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I think a lot of them are kind of unhappy about that.

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Yeah.

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There is something about losing that makes you feel more in control of your life.

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Like the more...

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Well, you have to call upon a lot of resources within yourself.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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And you don't have to do that when the road is really easy.

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Yeah.

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And if you're getting every one of your predictions right, you won't think, oh, I'm so brilliant.

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You'll think that you're a captive of some sort of...

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Larger fate.

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During the Truman Show.

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Yeah.

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And you know what?

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Alex probably does think that about himself.

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That actually probably is true.

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Holy shit.

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Yeah.

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He's so miserable.

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Because he's wrong all the time, but his brain is so narcissistic that he transforms bad

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predictions into correct predictions.

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Yeah.

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That's bananas.

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Yeah.

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I mean, we...

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Yeah.

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So on this next clip, Alex gets back to the white height narrative.

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White.

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White.

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And he makes a statement that I'm going to say in advance.

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I'm very against this statement.

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The whole war on terror, as I warned you for the last 11 years, is about gun owners, constitutionalists,

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returning veterans.

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And now, and I already saw this in the training stuff two years ago, and I told you, white

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al-Qaeda.

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And they're now announcing whites are terrorists.

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And whites will probably show up to local prisons and ask to be put in prisons and ask

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for the state to work their kids to death in slave camps.

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I mean, you know, the average American, rather than, I mean, whites know they're bad.

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Whites know they're the ultimate evil on earth.

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Whites are the source of all evil.

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The media tells us that.

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And so this is a good thing, that the ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center and LA Times

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and a bunch of other publications are saying, whites are terrorists.

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I can read the quote for you again, period.

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I agree with that.

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What a little, I mean, to use his own terms, a loser little titty baby.

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No kidding.

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This is a soft, soft man.

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Like, if you're that shaken by, that means you either have just the thinnest skin imaginable

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or you are really worried.

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It's one of the two.

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Like, it's either you're the most sensitive person in the world, you can't handle any

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form of criticism, or you are keenly aware of the world that you are surrounded by, the

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right-wing militia world.

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You recognize how volatile, how dangerous those people are.

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You like that about them.

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And you need to defend against it.

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It's one of the two.

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And my gut tells me it's both, but more the latter.

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Yeah.

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Well...

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Because Alex can't not be aware of the Minutemen.

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Oh, of course.

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He can't not be aware of all of the militias that have existed from the 70s, 60s and 70s,

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and then the resurgence in the 90s.

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He cannot not be aware of the order.

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Absolutely.

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He cannot not know about these groups.

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He can't not know, like fucking one of his big sponsors, Larry Pratt from Gun Owners

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of America was at the fucking Rocky Mountain Rendezvous.

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Like it's insane that he would like to imagine that he isn't aware of that.

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I can't think it's all fake.

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It's absurd.

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Well, the thing that makes me agree with the latter being true more than anything else

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is, just like we talked about before with his support of Trump is, he was all about

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like, oh, freedom, all that stuff, because it could happen to whites.

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And then once you remove that backstop, none of it matters.

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So that to me makes it so clear, so clear that it's the latter.

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Because that behavior probably wouldn't exist if it wasn't the latter.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So Alex talks about the LA Times a little bit more, and he's embellishing and just completely

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lying about what this article says.

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All right, ladies and gentlemen, we have breaking news at prisonplanet.com and infowars.com

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right now, dealing with the LA Times headline, Peril from Patriots, LA Times announces white

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men are terrorists, and they just say being white inherently is terrorism.

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I read the quote over and over again.

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It is unbelievable, and I told you forever that this was coming, in fact.

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So I mean, it's just, I don't know what else to say about it.

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It's just a white fragility, white victimhood, desperation to validate those feelings, because

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they move product and they keep people in this world.

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Do you know what he will never do but would reveal everything?

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Define white.

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Ooh.

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I actually think you would love to do that privately.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, privately, he would be very clear, he would be very definite what

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white is.

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I think Rob Doo knows full well what Alex's thoughts on that are, but yeah, not on air.

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No, no, never on air.

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That would be very telling.

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It would tell the whole story.

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Probably.

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So Alex got stood up by James O'Keefe, but someone else from Project Veritas calls in.

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Which is what I hope every woman who agreed to go out on a date with O'Keefe did.

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So this other guy from Project Veritas comes on, and I don't respect him enough to know

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his name, so I don't remember what it was.

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Other guy from Project Veritas.

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Mad that there's even one guy.

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So he shows up, and the video that they put out is about going to police departments and

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having discussions with cops where you say, okay, so if I call the police, they're going

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to take three minutes to respond to my house.

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What am I supposed to do if someone's breaking into my house?

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There is a threat.

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They're like, well, you call the police.

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What do I do in that two or three minutes?

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Well, they want the police to say, well, kill the person.

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That's what they want.

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And that's not a conversation you're ever going to have with a police officer.

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At least I hope not.

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It seems like a weird thing for them to endorse.

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Here's what I'd say.

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I don't want the cops to ever give the message that we really want you to go ahead and kill

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people ahead of time.

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Because if that's the case, then why call the cops?

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Yeah.

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I don't want a cop to say, what you should do is take the law into your own hands.

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Now somebody who has said that is, of course, Sheriff David Clark, who's been on Alex's

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show.

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Who should be removed from Earth.

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I don't think there is anything just entirely wrong with saying it's wise to be able to

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defend yourself in situations when appropriate law enforcement can't make it.

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I don't think that there's anything, people who are responsible about it, having a gun

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at home for protection, I don't think that there's anything implicitly wrong with that.

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I think there would be something dangerous about police on the job saying, well, fucking

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shoot people.

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I think it sends the wrong message.

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I think it's even more dangerous when police off the job say that because they sure probably

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do a lot.

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Sure.

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I think culturally it gives a worse message if they are in uniform and speaking as an

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official representative.

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Or it's implied that they're an official representative.

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So some of these people are like, well, get a dog, have a dog to defend you.

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That's fine for a cop to say, I think, whatever.

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That's what their Project Veritas video is.

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They're saying cops say, become a victim of a crime.

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Get a dog.

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Right, right, right.

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Once again, Project Veritas is shitty at their job, but it fools just enough white crazy

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conservatives who want to believe it no matter what.

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So Alex is interviewing Dumb-Dumb 2 from over at Project Veritas, and he's making that argument

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that like we went in and we were talking about it.

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It's all about being able to defend yourself in that two minutes before the police show

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up.

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That's the entire defense that this video's existence relies on.

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And Alex, because he is such a fucking idiot and a violent person who fetishizes the idea

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of shooting somebody.

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Oh, absolutely.

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He can't keep it together, and he immediately invalidates their entire argument for this

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video.

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These officers, and again, there's no fault of their own, this is just the reality that's

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put in front of them.

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What we didn't show is that we've asked them multiple times, you know, what do we do when

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X happens?

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And they go, oh, you should call 911.

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And then we said, okay, but what about if someone's breaking down my door and, you know,

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they're trying to rob me?

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Oh, just call 911.

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Well, I get that, you know, we're going to call 911.

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But in the time between, you know, you get, well, you've got to call the police.

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It took in some of these instances, speaking as police officers, five times to repeat the

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same question before they understood even the concept that we were saying, look, we've

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established that you're on your way.

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How do I defend myself?

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And that's when you get these inexplicable explanations, like throw some ammonia at him,

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throw some bleach at him, get it, get it.

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Well, listen, let me just say something here.

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People see, you know, you see these houses that say we don't dial 911, see these signs

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outside houses and they don't get robbed.

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If somebody's breaking in my house or somebody came to my office trying to mass shooting,

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I'm not going to waste time calling 911 until I've killed them.

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I'm going to get the gun.

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I'm going to go like a robot and I'm going to instinctively shoot into their center of

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mass from as best a cover as I can get.

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And it's just automatic.

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I am going to dissociate and kill a man.

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Wow.

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I mean, like the whole point of the video really relies on the pretense of we are trying

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to do everything possible not to kill a man.

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Exactly.

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And you are revealing that the whole reason we're making this specious bad faith argument

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is because we really want to kill a man.

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I will not even call the police before I kill the guy.

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Yeah.

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Alex, Alex, the quiet part isn't supposed to be the loud part.

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Well, it's not even, I mean, I don't, I don't know if it's, it's quiet or loud in this case,

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but what it is is absolutely like undercutting the intended propaganda that, uh, that project

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Veritas was trying to present, which I find hilarious in an interview.

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That is, it's pretty, it's pretty nice to see.

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It is.

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It is almost like he just said, why did you make this video?

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Who is this for?

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Because anybody who believes that I, what I believe would have already killed the man.

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Yeah.

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Jesus.

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So Alex goes into overdrive on this episode.

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Sure.

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It only does about five minutes of overdrive.

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Okay, good for him.

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Which I thought was really weird because he's like, I'm going to go into overdrive and like,

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Oh God, I got another half hour, this hour to listen to.

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He does it and most of it is this, which is an impression, which I hadn't heard him do.

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I don't think it's terrible.

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Okay.

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I think it's in the neighborhood of what he's trying to do.

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It's a McGruff, the crime dog.

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Okay.

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Better watch what you talk about, bud.

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Nevermind.

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Being pro-biller rights is an act of terror and you saw the SLPC in the LA Times and AP.

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They say, if you talk about the 2 billion bullets, you're part of a white supremacist

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cell.

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In fact, just being white's an act of terror.

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I honestly think that he's in and out of the impression.

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I think there are a couple of moments where it's pretty decent and other points where

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he's very close to his Pennywise impression.

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It's not as good as I remember it.

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I apologize for saying that, but there are moments where he hits just the right tone.

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Do you know what he did do though?

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A really great impression of a bad guy from like a Humphrey Bogart movie whenever he was...

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It's closer to that.

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But like in the Maltese Falcon, I could totally hear that voice for sure.

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Definitely.

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Yeah.

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He's not done with the PSA.

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Okay.

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That's right.

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LA Times announces white men are the terrorists and I say good.

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And since I'm McGruff, the crime dog, I happen to be white, I got a white spot.

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Wait, is McGruff?

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You know what?

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I'm reporting to a local forced labor FEMA camp to show everybody that I can be trusted.

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Help take a bite out of the Second Amendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights.

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John Wayne and George Washington are trash.

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Sovietism is good.

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That's right.

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Now say tongues who I like.

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Help take a bite out of Liberty.

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This message brought to you by DHS and Mr. Napolitano.

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Oh boy.

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Fun.

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That was, in a word, coherent.

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I would also like to recommend everybody out there if you haven't, go listen to McGruff

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the crime dog's album.

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It's hot.

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It's good stuff.

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Did he come out with an album?

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Yeah.

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He made an album, but not doing drugs.

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Oh.

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I think I'm aware of.

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Oh shit.

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That's right.

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I think I forced you to listen to a little bit of it.

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Yeah, you did.

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You did.

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Now I remember.

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It's pretty great.

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Yeah, it is pretty great.

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It's pretty hilarious.

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So when I heard that, Alex goes, he went into overdrive to do a minute long impression of

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McGruff doing a PSA about the white people being terrorists.

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I was like, we are entering a white identity season on Alex's show.

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I got the real strong sense that like, we got this.

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The next couple days, probably next week at least, is going to be Alex going out of his

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way to find any way to make stories about this.

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This is going to be what it's all about.

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White identity protection.

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White people cannot do wrong, and they're unfairly maligning us as if we were not white

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people.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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That's a good way to put it.

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Yeah.

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And it'll just be like, I'm going to choose the thinnest bullshit in order to make these

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stories.

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Yeah.

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And I was not surprised at all when I turned on the 14th, and that's exactly what we got.

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And now they've got universities, and Griggs, if you want to basically get your tuition

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or get your scholarship, you've got to sign on to agree to go under Southern Poverty Law

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Center written manuals.

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And Aaron Dykes covered this last night, I'm going to have him in today.

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With their actual printouts in Wisconsin and other states, whites are to wear a white armband

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or wristband, like Jews wearing yellow stars, to show your evil.

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And then you, quote, have a minority, who is really the majority worldwide and now the

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majority in the U.S., follow you around and tell you how bad you are.

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It actually says that.

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It actually says that.

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I really don't think it does, Dan, because anybody who designed that fucking exercise

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wouldn't even be trying to accomplish the goal I guess they're trying to set out for

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it, you know?

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Yeah.

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This is just white identity shit going through the roof, just escalating like it's crazy.

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Not only is Alex lying about that L.A. Times story that he's pretending, you know, proves

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that they, end quotes, are saying that all white people are terrorists, now he's come

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across a story of white people being forced to wear bracelets, just like the Jews, and

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be followed around by non-whites who yell at them about how bad they are.

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I found the Aaron Dykes story that Alex is basing this reporting on, and this shit is

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weak.

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According to Infowars and their primary source on this, which is CNS news, the Wisconsin

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Department of Public Instruction held a seminar and was encouraging people in their VISTA

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program to take steps to consider how their being white puts them in a privileged position

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in society.

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One of the examples is to wear a wristband, which would allow conversations to happen

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when people ask you why you're wearing a wristband.

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This seems like a shitty plan in the post-Live Strong era, since I don't think anyone is

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going to see a wristband and be like, hey, what's going on with that strange accessory?

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Cannot imagine that happening.

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No.

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Bananas.

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VISTA stands for Volunteers in Service to America, and it's part of AmeriCorps.

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Presumably since this was involved with the Department of Public Instruction, these were

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people who were volunteering to help with school and library-based things, because that's

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what the DPI is about.

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So for one, all of these people are volunteers.

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Even if the bullshit that Alex is saying is true, they still wouldn't be forced to do

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any of it.

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Thankfully, none of the things he's saying are true at all, so it's kind of a moot point.

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Here are some of the things that are not true that Alex said in that clip, which he has

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not proven in any way and is just making up.

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He's saying that universities and groups...

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That's what the Unabomber called it, right?

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Sure.

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They're forcing people to do this to get their tuition.

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This is a volunteer program, and even if it were a prerequisite of getting a scholarship,

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if the person who was in it felt that the PC demands of the program were too much for

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them, they could still get their volunteerism requirement fulfilled by taking another opportunity.

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Or if they had a problem with it, they could complain to their volunteer coordinator or

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supervisor, which is strangely not a part of the story in any way.

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There's no indication that anyone who went to the seminar was complaining about this

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at all.

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The only people that were mad about it seemed to be right-wing pundits with sketchy histories

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on race issues.

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So...

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It's almost like they went looking for something that would fit the narrative they wanted.

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It's almost like that.

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It's almost like that.

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It's really close to being like that.

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The manuals were written by the SPLC.

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That's another claim that Alex is making.

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Neither Alex nor any of the reporting on his website proves this in any way.

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The manuals were written by a nonprofit called the Beyond Diversity Resource Center, and

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I can find no connection between them and the SPLC.

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Alex has created this completely false narrative about the SPLC running Elohim City and planning

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the Oklahoma City bombing in order to make patriots look bad, which is helpful to help

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create the appearance that all white terrorism is fake, but this is the second use for that

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narrative.

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Any time there's a social justice-type organization, Alex can immediately neutralize whatever position

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they make by claiming they're mixed up with the SPLC.

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It doesn't matter if they are or not, none of his listeners are gonna check.

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What's important is smearing them so their ideas and information aren't even considered,

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and whatever horrible shit you're gonna make up about them becomes completely believable.

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They're mixed up with the people who tried to smear whites by doing the Oklahoma City

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bombing.

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Boom.

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You could just invalidate any kind of social justice.

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Yeah, that's pretty much all you have to do.

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And also, Alex claims that these are their printouts.

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Alex is playing really fast and loose here.

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Whose printouts is he implying this is or are?

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Kinko's.

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Is it AmeriCorps that he's blaming?

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Is it the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction?

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Is it the SPLC?

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When you try to trace down the actual document from Infowars, you end up on CNS News, and

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then you eventually find the site where it was originally posted, which is still hyperlinked

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on their websites.

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It takes you to a PDF that kindly explains to you that, quote, the document previously

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available via this URL is no longer here.

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It was not a VISTA document nor a Wisconsin DPI document.

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The file that had been here was a document included in a resource packet offered to VISTA

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volunteers as they left a training session.

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The document was not referenced in that training, and the training session was conducted by

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individuals external to DPI and VISTA.

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Unfortunately, misconceptions and misinformation about the document are being spread by an

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out-of-state entity that has no connection with the public schools in Wisconsin.

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To be absolutely clear, no DPI official has asked, requested, or encouraged any school

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district educator or student to wear any wristband, and none of our VISTA volunteers have had

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any children put on any wristbands.

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Again, no DPI official nor any VISTA volunteer has used, requested, or encouraged anyone

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in the school to use a wristband activity as reported, in quotes, and shared by external

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groups.

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This is the point that I made on the Wednesday episode, in that we are absolutely complicit

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in the rise of right-wing terrorism, because do you know what?

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They went out of their fucking way, bending over backwards for these fucks who came up

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with this bullshit bad faith argument, to the point where they write this statement

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that's still up there six fucking years later, or whatever it is.

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That's still linked on CNS News.

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Still linked up there.

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Do you know what should be up there?

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Here's the fucking document, and fuck you, Alex Jones.

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That's what should be up there.

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Here's the thing.

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I fully support considering these bullshit criticisms.

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Absolutely consider them.

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Absolutely.

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If somebody is criticizing you, and they have a good point, doesn't matter what side of

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the aisle they're on, consider their bullshit.

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But this is bad faith lies, and you don't need to come up with some like, oh, we don't

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support the view, and this was all of that.

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Fuck you, Alex Jones, is what should be there, and here's what was there.

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That's what we should be fucking doing.

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But I also think that it's important that this is there, because it is kind of an own

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on CNS News and Infowars.

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Their information now links to a page that explains that this was a misinformation.

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For sure.

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And maybe there are people who believe what Alex is saying aren't going to believe that

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PDF now.

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Nope.

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It should say, fuck you.

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It should.

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That's what it should say.

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But that would be unbecoming of these state organizations, and it would probably be, that

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would cause, because these people like Alex are opportunistic in such a way, that would

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cause even more problems.

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Right.

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But it doesn't matter.

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They're going to find new problems to cause problems about.

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You're not wrong.

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At a certain point, you have to stop saying, we can't agitate them anymore, because then

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they'll get more agitated.

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We're already accelerating over and over and over again, regardless of how much we bend

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over backwards.

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I agree.

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I agree.

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I definitely think that that is an important point.

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And I also think that...

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Sorry for being it.

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No.

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I think you're fine.

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I think you make a good point.

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I just think that there is also a qualification that needs to be made that there is still,

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just because whatever you do, they're going to behave the same way.

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These propagandists and these folks are going to do it.

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Whether you give them ammunition or not, they'll create their own ammunition.

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Absolutely.

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That still needs to be tempered with a little bit of a, well, that doesn't give carte blanche

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to just behave however.

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For sure.

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That's what I'm saying.

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People still need to be a little bit restrained.

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Absolutely.

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I'm not thrilled with the idea of these organizations that are about getting handicap accessible

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ramps for schools, like behaving in the way you and I might, like saying, go fuck yourself

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out.

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Totally understand.

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I think it would be fun to see it once, maybe, in the same way that, I don't know, Arby's

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will tell someone to fuck off on Twitter.

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It's like, oh, isn't that interesting?

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Look at you.

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Look at you.

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Arby's good on you.

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You get a little thrill out of that.

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But I do think that it might be a step backwards in terms of some...

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I know.

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I don't disagree with you.

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Actually, I 100% agree with you.

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The only thing is we can't accommodate them.

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I absolutely want them to have that statement of like, hey, this is a complete disinformation

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campaign.

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What they did is lie about us and be blunt about it.

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They did.

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They did.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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I'm just saying that it needs to be far more direct.

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I think that it's just the thing where it's like you need to have people focusing on these

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propaganda outlets like us and institutions protecting themselves simultaneously in order

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to have a full spectrum of protection.

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That's a far better way of putting it.

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Perhaps, because we don't have to worry about, you know, if we start telling people to go

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fuck themselves, we're not at risk of losing state funding that will hurt libraries.

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No, that's true.

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So...

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That is true.

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There could be legitimate consequences for people who are vulnerable.

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Right.

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Like they're helping disadvantaged children in Wisconsin.

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Right.

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But at the same time, isn't that part of the issue to begin with?

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Sure.

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Telling a right wing troll brigade to fuck off could fuck with your funding as opposed

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to the right wing troll brigade.

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That is a bigger issue there as well.

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I don't disagree.

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Yeah.

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I just, the only reason I have any, I'm not disagreeing with you, but the only reason

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I'm bringing this in is because it's more complicated than what we would have liked

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to see.

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Of course.

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No, I think we're actually 100% agreeing with each other.

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We're just adding these different layers of the complexity behind it, which is what right

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wing troll brigades cannot do.

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No.

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They refuse to.

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Yeah.

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And I'll add an extra layer of complexity.

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How dare you?

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I've seen the document itself and I don't think that there's anything really wrong with it.

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The document that was put out by the Beyond Diversity Resource Center that was given

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to people as they left this thing, this meeting seminar that wasn't even being run by DPI

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or Vista.

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Yeah.

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Some of the suggestions are a little bit cheesy, but in the same way that any corporate seminar

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type of document is going to be, I would say that some of them might not be the most productive

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suggestions.

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Right.

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And if Alex wanted to make that kind of criticism, I really don't think there would be that big

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of a deal.

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If he were to make an argument of like, they're telling people to wear bracelets in order

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to have conversations that will be started by the bracelet about white privilege, you

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could have a conversation that's not racist and white identity and nature about how like,

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that's kind of a hokey idea.

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That's kind of the idea that someone running a corporate seminar might come up with that

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really doesn't address the problem.

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It just seems like it might.

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How can we give the appearance of addressing it without ever actually doing anything?

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Right.

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You could have a conversation, you could attack this document on that front and still be on

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fairly solid grounds.

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I think the bigger issue though is that you see something, you see how something so small,

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something so localized and minor can be spun by Alex and his community into some complete

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government sanctioned SPLC run attack on white people, which is white supremacy in action.

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Like what they're doing, that is what's going on.

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And to clarify, the document doesn't say you have to have a minority follow you around

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and tell you how bad you are.

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That's not in the document.

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No, I don't think it would be.

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One of their suggestions for reminders about addressing the privilege status that you hold

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in society were you to be, you happen to be white is, quote, find a person of color who's

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willing to hold you accountable for addressing privilege.

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There's a slight difference there.

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And I also think that that's a bad suggestion.

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It kind of puts the onus on this accountability partner, which I feel a little weird about.

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It looks like every part of this puts the onus on discussing race on other people coming

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to you or something along those lines.

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Well, there's parts of it that Alex isn't talking about that are about reflection.

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You know, like about like thoughts to have and to explore.

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And then some of the other suggestions are like, put a note on your computer screen.

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So that's not on other people.

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Quit being a racist.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Quit it.

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But like, I think that that suggestion is kind of like, it is weird to be like, I'm

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going to go find a person of color that I can have.

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Keep me accountable.

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No, that's really work on someone else.

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Strange.

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Yeah.

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But as the way it's phrased, it's a person of color who is willing.

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So I don't exclude the possibility that that person might exist and not think it's insulting

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for me to come to them and be like, hey, can you have my raises right now?

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Oh, hell yeah, you are.

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OK, thank you.

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Right.

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I will stop doing that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't think anybody.

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I don't think the Southern Poverty Law Center is like, here's what we do.

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We take a book out of game, we take a page out of Game of Thrones and we have people

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of color follow white people.

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Shame.

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Shame.

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Shame.

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Here's what the SPLC didn't do.

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Let's somehow subcontract an organization that we're not involved in at all to make

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a printout that ends up being handed out to people at one seminar that's not even being

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run by the Wisconsin DPI or the VISTA program or AmeriCorps.

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That's how we'll stick it to the whites.

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It's crazy.

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It's just crazy.

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That is crazy.

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Also, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that CNS News is owned by the Media Research

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Center, which is a conservative propaganda outlet that has received tons of funding from

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the Bradley Foundation, the Scaife Foundation and ExxonMobil, thanks to their climate denial.

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They are not a good source of information.

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It is a straight up right wing misinformation campaign operation.

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And that's where Alex is pulling for the beginning of the story.

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That's his source for the Infowars article.

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And so that's where we're at.

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This is just the thinnest fucking worst white victimhood type bullshit.

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But it's what you expect.

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You start to see this narrative and this season taking shape.

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The last season was before Alex went on vacation.

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It was all star fuckery.

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It was all just like, I'm getting big name people on here.

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We're having celebrities.

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It's going to be awesome.

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And now he comes back and I get the very strong sense that is going to be a lot of white.

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It's white identity issues.

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Great.

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So you know how we love talking about those.

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We're getting used to it.

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So Alex, I want to be clear.

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I'm going to play this clip.

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And it doesn't include the part of the clip where Alex does explicitly say that Hitler

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was bad.

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But he does.

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He does say that Hitler is bad.

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He says that he's a psychopath and bad.

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He is also a complete badass, as we all know.

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And a stud along with Stalin.

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It's less important that, but I guess it is important that I do qualify that Alex isn't

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saying this as unchecked praise for Hitler.

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But he does spend a little bit of time on his show praising Hitler.

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Can I say Hitler had a lot of courage.

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I mean, he had a congressional medal of honor.

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That was the equivalent.

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He had the Iron Cross first class.

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That's the congressional medal of honor.

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They only handed out a handful of those in World War I.

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That's why everybody followed Hitler, because he was a big war hero.

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So you really don't have to give it up to the Somali pirates.

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You don't have to give it up to Hitler.

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And you don't have to give it up to Hitler.

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So while it's true that Adolf Hitler was awarded the Iron Cross first class in the First World

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War, it's Nazi propaganda that painted him as a war hero, when reality does not back

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that up.

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One of the problems with sorting out the reality of Hitler's military history in World War

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I is that no one knew who he was.

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No one knew he was going to become Hitler back then.

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So there aren't intricate records of his life as a normal run-of-the-mill soldier.

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What was known is that he was a runner during the war, and that he was awarded the Iron

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Cross first class.

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So those two facts were accepted to mean that he was the sort of message carrier who ran

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across the front lines and dodged machine gun fire to get the orders where they needed

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to be.

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That is not true.

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There are two varieties of runners in the German military in World War I.

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There were those who were on the front lines, carrying orders through dangerous terrain,

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and office workers, who delivered messages between the offices in the regimental headquarters

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far away from the fighting.

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Hitler was the second kind of runner during the war.

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Historians have noted that it's likely that he was given the first class award after a

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battle where messengers were particularly important, and it was likely that his inclusion

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in the award recipients was the result of him having close association with the higher

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ranked officers due to him being stationed inside the headquarters.

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Alex is confusing things also about how many Iron Cross first class medals were given out.

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He's thinking of the highest ranking, the Grand Cross, of which only 19 were ever given

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out.

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Between 1870 and 1918, 5.7 million Iron Cross first and second class medals were given out,

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and while the second class ones were definitely more commonly awarded, the first class weren't

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some kind of super-rare thing.

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Some numbers I've seen have put the number of recipients at about 165,000, which would

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be just short of 10 of them being awarded every day between 1870 and 1918.

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Alex is making these comments in the con - he's making them in the context of a rant that

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he's doing about how Hitler's evil, but it's also - he's saying that he's super-brave.

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He's supposed to be making some kind of point that - I'm not actually sure what point he

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hoped to make, to be honest, but it really highlights something that I think is super-fucked

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up.

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Alex Jones believes Nazi versions of history.

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It was part of Hitler's propaganda that he was a war hero, and it was an essential piece

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of his appeal to the people, and a lot of the German public believed it.

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By the time Alex is on air here in 2013, historians and researchers had debunked this myth, and

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yet here Alex is, still preaching to his audience about the positive parts of Hitler.

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This is a trend.

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It's not just an isolated incident.

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Alex is very inclined to believe Nazi propaganda.

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Between this, the stuff about the Hitler was set up, the peace treaty, the Rothschild share

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at Waterloo, him directly taking a story that was amplified and put into its sort of canonical

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form by a Goebbels film.

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There's a lot of Nazi history that's revisionist, not based on reality, that Alex accepts whole

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cloth as real, and that's disturbing.

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When you say - because we've heard him say it a million times, but when you say you've

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read a hundred books on World War II, how many - there aren't a hundred books on World

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War II that don't include 30 books at least of Nazi propaganda.

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It seems like it would be likely, yeah.

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There's no way that at least some of his information isn't coming from a - and even if he's doing

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his best job to critically analyze it, which is not possible for him.

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It seems out of his character.

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Yeah, his best job is impossible, but even then, some of those stories, if you're reading

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a hundred different books on World War II, might seep through.

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Might just seep in, you know, I've got all of the correct history up, but for some reason

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there is this one story that's only in this one Nazi propaganda history book.

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And it might sound really good.

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And it sounds so good, and there's a good quote from Thomas Jefferson in there.

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Sure.

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A hundred percent.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's lore.

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Yeah.

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It's Nazi lore.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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And he loves lore.

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I'll let him off the hook a tiny bit just because you brought up the books on this one,

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because a lot of people didn't actually look through the records enough to figure out what

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kind of runner Hitler was until fairly recent to this episode.

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It's not like it's something that's been a part of scholarship for 50 years, and Alex

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has just written that off.

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So it's entirely possible that the books that he had read were based on bad information

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and incomplete history.

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So there's a chance that he had read in a book of Hitler's heroics.

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Yeah.

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No, that's entirely possible.

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But when the... and it wouldn't be wrong for those books to reflect that, possibly.

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But history had more information added to it, and people then realized that that's just

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a part of Hitler's PR campaign.

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And it's upon Alex to, at that point, recognize that and update his positions, which he has

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not done.

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People hate when history is updated.

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Yeah.

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They despise...

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You know who doesn't?

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Historians.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I love it.

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Yeah, it's really interesting.

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Think about how furious people were that Pluto stopped being considered a planet, and compare

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that to how much white nationalist...

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I think a lot of that was a meme.

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White nationalist Nazis hate being a fucking... hate the idea that Hitler wasn't a hero.

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Yeah.

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It's tough.

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It's tough for those guys.

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I feel for them.

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Shout out, guys.

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You gotta give it up to the Nazis.

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You gotta give it up to the Nazis who are struggling with finding out that their hero

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wasn't a hero.

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So at this point in the episode, Alex gets back to this narrative about the handout that

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was given that says that white people need to wear bracelets and find a minority to yell

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at them.

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He updates this narrative and now extends it.

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You can see that he has taken the kernel that he's already established and now is embellishing

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upon that theme in order to make it far more universal than it actually is.

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Studies all over the United States are telling whites that they're inherently evil and bad

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and making them wear white armbands to symbolize that they're bad and having them agree under

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AmeriCorps, and they have to agree then to get their tuition, to be followed, quote,

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by a minority to explain to them how inherently bad it is to be white.

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So you see the evolution here.

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This has now become universities all across the country are forcing white people to do

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this in order to get their tuition.

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Forcing.

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Yep.

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Forcing them.

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You gotta have that minority follow you around and yell at you.

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I told you that this was very racist, and it's not like he's dropping N-words or anything.

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But you see what I'm talking about.

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This is deeply, deeply racist stuff that he's engaging in.

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Absolutely.

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It was almost shocking to me, the consistency with which he's dipping into this.

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And I'll be honest, I did not take a ton of clips from the 14th that would have been illuminating

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of this racism, because it's stuff he says all the time.

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But he brings it all in almost like a tornado of racism, all of these disparate parts of

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his narratives and his just talking points that we've heard 100 times, Margaret Sanger

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wants to kill black people, abortion is about killing black people, all of this stuff.

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The March 14th episode is just all of that, he's shooting an AK, just a semi-automatic

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blast of racist talking point, racist talking point.

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It's that kind of thing where if you heard a four-hour radio show, and you heard one

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of those things where you're like, wait, is that a racist talking point?

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Maybe you can blow by it, but if it's all there, there's just no other conclusion you

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can come to.

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Yeah.

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It's just not possible.

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It's all over the place on this 14th episode.

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I considered maybe just getting all the clips and it being overkill.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We're just gonna run a supercut for this entire episode of Alex being a racist piece of shit.

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But I realized there wasn't a ton of value in that, and if anybody wants to listen to

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that whole episode and bask in all of the things we've already talked about that make

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Alex a racist, enjoy.

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I thought I would focus more on the things that are new to this, that live within that

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context.

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I think that's a better use of our time.

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Yeah, it is one of those.

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So the thing about it that I think of when talking about a show or an entertainment show

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or a new show or anything of that value is naturally, we have said that Alex is a racist

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a lot.

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And I can understand why it would get boring or why it would feel repetitive, but it can

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never not be mentioned.

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It has to be consistently mentioned over and over and over again because you can't for

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a moment forget.

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And I don't think we do a good enough job about that, maybe, just because it comes up

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when it's earned.

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It lives in the background of our show.

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There's not a moment where, at least since, I don't know, a couple months into doing the

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podcast, I was a little resistant to call him a racist without good evidence at the

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beginning.

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But since then, it exists.

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It's overwhelming.

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I think we've refined our position on it, too, in terms of the things that he gives

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us clues about.

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It's not just a specific racism.

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It's a white identity-based worldview, Christian identity, dominionist ideas.

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Absolutely.

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So, one of the things I wish he talked about more is that there's a new fucking pope.

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It seems like massive world news, massive.

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How many Catholics are there?

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There's tons of them around the world.

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Billions.

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There's so many Catholics.

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There's billions, but not like a billion.

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People affected by the new pope?

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Billions.

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Non-Catholics are affected by this.

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Hell yeah.

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It becomes a huge political story.

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There's so many angles, too.

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And if you stop to reflect on the fact that one dude being elected by 20 weird dudes wearing

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red shit is going to change the world, it's wild.

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It's interesting as a story.

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It's compelling.

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It's news.

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It's incomprehensible as a human way of life.

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It touches Alex's world.

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He should have known who the new pope was going to be based on it.

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For sure.

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Zagami.

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Yeah.

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So I was really disappointed that he doesn't really cover it much.

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This is most of his coverage.

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This is sort of the tone of it.

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And it's kind of dismissive, even.

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Okay.

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Continuing, the new pope, Pope Francis, the first Latin American, first Jesuit, well,

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that'll add to all the theories that the Jesuits really run the Catholic church, and the first

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pope, Francis, to lead the world's Catholics.

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Alex is almost dismissive of the conspiracies about the Jesuits running the Catholic church

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and being involved in new world order stuff, which he does believe now.

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No, halfway expected it would be like, that'll fuel the fire of Jesuits thinking that they

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run the, when everybody knows it's the Jews, and you're like, wait, what?

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I don't understand why he's so, I mean, I do understand why he's so dismissive of this

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because it's not part of his narratives yet.

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Leo Zagami hasn't come around and given him that upgrade.

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Right.

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That upgrade system.

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There's work to be done.

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He doesn't have a guy with an Italian accent yet.

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So that's most of it.

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He's like, oh, we got this South American Jesuit.

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That's going to make people in the conspiracy worlds freak out.

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Great analysis, Alex.

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That's most of it.

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So the guy who wrote the article for Alex about this wristband issue is Aaron Dykes,

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one of his employees.

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I don't think he's still there.

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I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure if he's one of the people who hates Alex now or not.

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There's a lot of his ex-employees don't seem to like him and the others seem to respect

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their non-disclosure agreements.

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Don't think there's a lot of happy ex-employees.

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Other than maybe Joe Biggs, Rambo Joe Biggs might be the only person who has been fired

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by N4s and still like, I'm carrying the torch.

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Congrats you piece of shit.

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So Aaron Dykes comes on to talk about this article that he's written.

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And man, he is like, he displays some incredibly racist positions that I think are good context

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clues as to why he wrote the article that he wrote, quite frankly.

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And here's the first one.

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And they have studied psychology and specifically applied it to their rulership and they're

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punching our buttons with race issues.

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That's what they're doing.

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The real racism has mainly died out, at least in my generation.

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Everybody who was friends with everybody is very cosmopolitan, very diverse, at least

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in my school.

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That was phase one.

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I know it's not like that everywhere.

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No, but that's phase one.

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I was really disappointed that Alex doesn't explain what phase one is.

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He doesn't say what phase two is, is just him interrupting him by saying that's phase

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one.

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That's phase one.

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Right.

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I don't know what that implies.

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Well, actually you saying that he doesn't explain what phase one is, is phase two.

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Confusion is phase two.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So Aaron Dykes is expressing that the globalists, they have this whole system in place.

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And when they bring up race issues, they're pushing our buttons, they're pushing white

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people's buttons.

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Right.

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And that's basically, that is also inexplicably, phase three.

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Sure.

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And also they're pushing other races buttons through things like civil rights.

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Right, right, right.

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They hate that.

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So whenever there's social justice causes, like let's say black people saying police

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should stop killing us and targeting us unjustly and disproportionately.

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Wow.

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Dan, you just saying that is making me racist.

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Black people aren't saying that.

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The globalists are saying that on behalf of black people and that's pushing black people's

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buttons.

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Right.

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So they are more, you get what I'm saying.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This is a convoluted nonsense argument.

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Anyway, this next clip is one of my favorite things in the world.

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Alex gets into talking about his dad.

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Okay.

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Now, we know this from listening to Alex as much as we do.

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Alex's dad was one of the smartest people in Texas and the globalists tried to recruit

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him.

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Absolutely.

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They gave him a meeting and they tried to recruit him back when he was younger.

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Of course.

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And Alex retells that story here sitting with Aaron Dykes.

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Okay.

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And this is really great because Alex probably gets too specific.

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Oh, no.

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And I have figured out some things.

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But the side issue when they called my dad in, you know, when he was when he was still

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in high school, a junior when he was brought to UT to be tested with all these kids and

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then he was out of hundreds, you know, just a few they brought in and it was we're going

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to carry out eugenics.

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You're the elite.

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Do you like that idea?

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And by the way, this isn't like Hitler.

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The head of the body department was running it.

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Professor Spear.

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I'm Jewish, he said.

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This isn't like Hitler.

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We're going after everybody that's inferior.

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My dad was like, yeah, but he still went to UT later, but then got out all that he was

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never really in it.

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But, you know, it was well, you went there, you know about it.

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Yeah.

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And looking back at UT, there's a lot of creepy professors and agendas going on.

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Go fuck yourself, Dykes.

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So Alex should know better than to use real names.

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Yeah, that'll get him into trouble.

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That makes what was once a fanciful story about how cool Alex's dad is into a crime.

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Alex is referring to Dr. Erwin Spear, who taught in the botany and biology departments

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at UT Austin from 1953 to 1994.

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I've read some reviews from students.

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They were posted in the alumni magazines and from everything I can tell about him, he sounds

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like a great teacher.

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From a 2011 interview with someone who took his class 40 years prior, it made such an

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impression on him that he's singled this Erwin Spear out as like an important teacher.

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Quote, he inspired us, he was a very difficult teacher, but he made it very easy to have

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appointments with him to discuss anything we didn't understand.

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And his exams, I think it was the first time that I was taking exams where you had to really

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think, you didn't just regurgitate information.

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Dr. Spear was so challenging and yet so stimulating and started many of us on the right road to

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how to study, how to prepare for exams, and how to appreciate what we were learning.

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That's why I stuck with medical technology, with organic chemistry.

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That's a great teacher right there, someone who changes people's lives with learning.

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I know from Alex's dad's dental license that he was born in 1950.

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So you'd have to be about 17 when this meeting allegedly happened, right?

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Because he's still in high school, a junior.

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A junior would be 17 or 18.

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Roughly, roughly.

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So that would be 1967.

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Well I happened to find a copy of an article from the Austin Daily Texan from March 20th,

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1968, where they talked to Irwin Spear, and his title is listed as, quote, Associate Professor

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of Botany.

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Also from a copy of the UT student publication, the Alcalde, from October 1964, also lists

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him as an Associate Professor in Biology.

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So from 1964 to 1968, he was an Associate Professor of Biology, or I'm sorry, Botany.

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Botany, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Associate Professors are typically professors that are on the tenure track, working their

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way towards becoming full professors at an academic institution.

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They've paid their dues as an Assistant Professor, and now they're in that middle step before

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they're given tenure.

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There's absolutely no shame in being an Associate Professor, even if you do it for a long time,

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because it's a super competitive rank to achieve at most top tier schools, and UT Austin is

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not a bad school.

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I point all this out because that's the position that Dr. Irwin Spear would have to have been

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when Alex's dad would have been the age he's supposed to have had this completely not true

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meeting with.

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There's literally zero reason to believe that the globalists are having Associate Professors

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working their way towards their tenure, take a little break from their scholastic duties

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to try and recruit high schoolers into their nefarious eugenics plot.

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To put this plainly, this story is accusing a specific person of being involved in a plot

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against humanity.

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It's a conspiracy, and Irwin Spear in this story Alex is telling is trying to recruit

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people with the specific goal of committing genocide and crimes against humanity.

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I'm not, I'm sure Alex feels like he's safe because Irwin Spear died in 2002, but still,

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this is some shady shit Alex is doing.

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This story absolutely didn't happen.

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There's no way, there's no way Associate Professor Irwin Spear is taking time to like, hey, David

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Jones, future dentist, I'm gonna try and enlist you in my globalist eugenics plot.

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You know it's like Hitler, but I'm not like Hitler, I'm Jewish, it's totally cool, we're

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gonna get everybody.

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Dan, you're way off on this one.

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Of course it's him because he's the least likely person for whom it could be.

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Such bullshit.

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Such bullshit.

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If anyone cared, Alex could easily be sued for this.

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This is slander.

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Yeah.

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Unfortunately, this isn't a present day episode, so the statute of limitations is over.

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Like 2013, him slandering him, that's, it's like two years max on various circumstances

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for what slander can be charged with.

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So Alex is in the clear here.

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But if he wasn't, I would fucking be so thrilled to get in touch with Dr. Spears next to him.

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I'd be like, let's do this.

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Hey guys, let's fucking nail it.

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I got your back.

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From now on, I will be keeping a very close ear on the present day episodes for Alex telling

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this story, because if he tells this story in the present, yes, we will now have prior

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context for who he's talking about.

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He will have committed a crime.

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Excellent.

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You know what, I bet I can find this story in the last two years.

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I bet I can.

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For sure.

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While you're on vacation, I'm digging through the R. Caleb's.

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Let's nail him.

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Let's fucking nail him.

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I think we can prove an actual, like, hard crime on somebody.

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Like, he's accusing him of fucking genocide.

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Genocide, yeah.

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It's insane.

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Attempted genocide.

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Thank you.

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Conspiracy.

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Conspiracy to commit genocide, yeah.

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You shouldn't use specific names, Alex.

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Never.

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Never use specific names.

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Don't try and impress Aaron Dykes.

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What a fucking idiot.

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So about five minutes on this episode, maybe more, a while.

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It's taken up with Alex getting a caller who accuses him of using the exact same divide

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and conquer strategies that he accuses the globalists of using.

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And Alex gets really super defensive about it, surprise.

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I don't know if this clip is worth it.

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I'm gonna play it anyway, because I think there's something worthwhile in it.

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There is a point to it.

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The point where Alex was, like, really defensive is minutes before this, and actually before

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a commercial break.

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But I think this clip really highlights Alex kind of losing it.

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Like, this guy is making decent criticism of him, and not doing it aggressively, just

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saying, like, hey, I think this is a, you know, you should know that you say that all

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of these, you know, the globalists do divide and conquer, but I listen to you, and I hear

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you dividing people into groups.

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And then further, the guy's other criticism is, like, you just try and, like, you use

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fear mongering all the time.

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So the guy is just being accurate.

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Totally.

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Yeah.

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And so here's Alex's, a bit of his response to it.

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I think the biggest reason that I think it's worthwhile to play this is that it demonstrates

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how confronting Alex, even when you're correct, is not worth it.

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So let's go ahead and go back to Brian.

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Brian, tell me how I fear monger, or tell me how I divide and conquer.

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I mean, again, I don't want to upset you, Alex.

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You're not upsetting me.

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Tell me, please, please.

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I really don't know.

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Says the upset man.

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Prior to this, he was very upset.

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Says the man who is upset.

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I'm not mad.

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I'm not mad at you!

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I will.

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I will.

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All I'm saying is, I think that the entire production team sits around, probably, and

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says, what can we talk about?

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And underlying all of that is, how can we be provocative, how can we stir the emotion,

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which is a human circumstance.

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And I'm not...

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Okay, you just misrepresented, well, what really goes on is out of all this real sensational

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stuff going on.

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What are we going to cover?

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And how do we hijack mindless cultural memes that don't matter and attach reality to them

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that's culture jamming, culture hijacking?

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We don't have enough of those meetings.

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90 plus percent of the time, my crew does whatever they want because I hired folks that

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I overall trust and just get it and know what's going on.

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And sometimes I go, this isn't sensational enough because we tend to water down our headlines.

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I mean, Aaron Dykes in an article said, has political correctness gone too far making

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whites wear white bracelets?

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I mean, I didn't call Aaron.

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I'm doing it now.

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Does a great job.

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It's worse than that.

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It's totally creating a color-obsessed society instead of a color-blind society.

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I mean, it's the opposite, okay?

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And oh my gosh, I mean, no, you're wrong about how we run things up here, okay?

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I cannot describe how crazy things are, sir.

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I mean, I mean, do you want to know about the 2 billion bullets?

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How is that fair mongering?

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That's really going on.

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And I always get to get the criticism first because I mean, look, I told you Piers Morgan,

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a bunch of his colleagues have been arrested.

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Now the five people under him were arrested today, okay?

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I mean, Piers Morgan is a gangster and you know, it doesn't feel good to be a gangster

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for my position.

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I don't want to be a gangster, but he wants to be a gangster, okay?

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I mean, you know, I'm here straight shooting.

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Show me money.

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Show me the proof.

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Show me the fear mongering, show me the divide and conquer.

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Show me, show me, show me, show me, come on.

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He hung up.

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He dropped off.

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Show me, show me, show me, show me.

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I don't believe that guy hung up.

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I don't believe that guy hung up.

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No, absolutely not.

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I do not believe that.

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No, he absolutely did not hang up.

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If you're going to take the time to wait on hold and make these criticisms of Alex, you're

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not going to hang up when he starts haranguing.

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You're going to hang on in case you get a chance to respond to stuff.

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Absolutely.

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Alex absolutely hung up on that dude.

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That guy is not going to quit then.

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Right.

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Of all the times.

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Oh no, Alex has made too good of a point.

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I gotta hang up.

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Yeah.

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Alex made too good of a point.

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Sure.

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That's show me, show me, show me.

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Yeah, you know, although I would hang up the moment somebody started chanting at me.

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Show me why fear monger.

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Okay.

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Here's why you're fear mongering and I'll give you some definition.

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Every single thing you've ever done.

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Every single thing you've said.

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Jesus Christ.

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Yeah.

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What a pathetic loser little titty baby.

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Yeah, he's very sensitive.

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There's just no other way to put it.

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He's very, very sensitive.

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And that's something you got to understand is like you got to deal with him with kid

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gloves, but also there's no way to do that because the level of sensitivity that he has

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around issues that are threatening to him are just to the point where you can't even

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approach without triggering that response.

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Absolutely.

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And it's kind of lame.

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So Alex now for the rest of this episode kind of has it in his mind that he's like, I'm

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being accused of fear mongering.

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Right, right.

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He got fucked up by this call.

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A little bit.

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He just really got fucked up by it.

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Which is kind of a sign that he got like valid criticism that he didn't know how to deal

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with.

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Exactly.

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So that colors things as it goes on.

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And I think it also has, you know, why he's got a, you know, what, you know what he does?

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What's he do?

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Goes for his security blanket.

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Oh no.

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He finds his security blanket and that is whiskey.

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Ted Anderson.

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Oh no.

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God damn it.

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Ted Anderson from Midas Resources.

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Fucking Ted Anderson.

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He comes in as a guest and Alex gives him this introduction, which is fucking hilarious.

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You know, my, my gold sponsor, one of the few, a plus better business bureaus, the biggest

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companies.

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Go look it up.

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There's hardly any other gold companies that have even an a rating because we get all these

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offers constantly and we get offers in the magazine.

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I can't ever find a reputable gold company to be a sponsor because Ted is my exclusive

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on the radio, but I don't have a rule to do that.

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Right.

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Of course not.

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But I mean, he's the only guy that's a plus.

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He's been around 30 years, 16 with his company Midas.

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By the way, real quick, Stormfront also had a plus rating on, uh, yeah, how they do it.

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There's the better business bureau ratings are a very inconsistent.

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Oh, it's the whole thing is a scam.

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It's a shakedown operation.

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But hold on, let him finish his piece here.

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I've known the guy for 17 years.

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He came down and visited me in Austin, stayed at my house last night.

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We were talking to the car.

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26 is when I first talked to Ted Anderson 17 years ago, ladies and gentlemen, coming

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up on 18 and go look better business bureau, better business bureau, a plus rating.

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You can't even find that that I know of anywhere.

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Smash cut to two years later, Ted Anderson loses his gold license because of a systematic

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history of defrauding customers.

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Still has an a plus rating on BBB.

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Of course he does.

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Do you know why?

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Because you can pay to get an a plus rating on the BBB.

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You know, what's really interesting to me though is like this point in March 2013, like

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this is when Ted is probably doing his really shady business.

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Yeah.

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No, absolutely.

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It's in the mid 2015 when he actually gets his license taken away and the proceedings

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are happening.

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But the offense happened prior to that.

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Yeah, for sure.

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That's when he's actually taking people and defrauding them.

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Yeah.

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So what Alex is doing is like really just throwing people into the ringer.

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He's he's do he's this is abusive.

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Do you know what's what's fun is that this is almost like his preemptive defense of white

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nationalist terror is he's going on this long diatribe about how Ted Anderson is so great

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and his gold sales are amazing.

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All the while, at least at least a little bit aware that Ted Anderson is a shady motherfucker.

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There's no doubt he's almost 100 percent aware.

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Yeah.

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100 percent.

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Like, come on.

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Yeah.

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He's committing all the crime.

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So when I heard that clip, I wasn't clear that it was an introduction for Ted.

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I thought it might have just been Alex being like, let's get a plug in here.

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Yeah.

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I didn't realize this is just this just turns into a Midas info.

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I told him.

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Yeah.

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And the interesting thing about it is because of that caller who asked Alex about like you're

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a fear monger, you use divide and conquer.

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Alex is really defensive about it.

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And he needs Ted to reassure him.

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Not with Ted Anderson.

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He's got the best brokers, the best people that I didn't get you here over this.

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I wanted to get you here, you know, to have some other meetings with us and work on some

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longevity stuff we're doing with him for his health.

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But and for the nightly news.

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But here you are.

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I've gone into this whole rant.

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Do you think it's fear mongering, Ted, to say they're going to devalue the dollar gold

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260 bucks, get into it.

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And 10 years later, it's sixteen hundred.

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Is that fear mongering to say there's drones, there's bullets, and then they said I was

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a liar.

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But now it's all admitted.

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Is it fear mongering to be right?

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Here is the answer to that.

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Alex, you're unprofessional.

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Also why is Ted here to talk about young jeopardy issues with another sponsor really implying

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that this is not just a sponsor, this is someone you're deeply in business.

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You might as well be the same company, it seems very weird, very, very strange.

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That is such like Alex.

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I know we have a very difficult power balance relationship between us, but in some ways

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I am your boss.

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And at the very least, I'm your colleague.

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I am not here to make you feel good.

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So shut the fuck up.

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Yes.

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And we're going to sell gold.

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No, he is there to make him feel good because he kowtows entirely to Alex's demands to be

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made feel better.

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Make me whole again after that call.

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Ted is subservient and helps.

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And you know what's really interesting?

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The rest of this interview with Ted Anderson is largely Alex bullying him.

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And we've seen this before, like he just yells at Ted whenever Ted's on, he'll start talking

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about like gold prices and Alex will just start screaming at him and just like trying

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to do bits.

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Yeah.

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Because he's like, Ted's fucking boring.

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I need to, I need to bring the heat.

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I need to, it's almost, it's almost like he feels a program director's voice in his head

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be like, pick it up, pick it up.

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This segment is falling.

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In the context of his, like the story of his mom kicking him off her knee at six years

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old and being like, you don't get love no more.

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So much of his relationship with Ted Anderson gets weirdly mommy issued as opposed to anything

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else.

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Like it's always like, I think it's brotherly more than anything.

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Oh, you think it's brotherly?

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I think that he's treating Ted like a brother, like in a bullying older brother kind of way.

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That's, that's the, that's the vibe that I get from the two of them.

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Less than mother or father issues.

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It's more just like a fuck this guy, he's boring and stupid.

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You know, I'm going to give him a swirly.

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You've listened to 10 million more hours than I have, so there's not much I can, yeah.

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Well, I mean, I might not be right, but I do have a better assessment there.

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That's the line I think.

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So you know, also I think that in that clip when Alex is saying like, is it, is it fear

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mongering for me to say that, you know, like gold is at two 60 and now it's at 1600 it's

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like 10 years later it's at 1600.

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That's a long time.

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Second, the way you sell gold is not saying eventually it will be worth 1600.

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You sell gold by talking about financial collapse.

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So yes, you are fear mongering, even though the price of gold did rise in that decade.

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Yes, that's fine.

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You have steered people towards not a terrible investment if they have the money to make

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that investment long term, shouldn't do it with Midas.

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And the way you sold that is fear mongering, even if the end result wasn't negative.

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Absolutely.

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That's a distinction that is important.

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The other stuff is lies, but that is like, yes, you, you did fear monger people because

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you knew that you weren't going to be able to sell enough gold by being like, it's a

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sound investment.

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If you wait a decade, you'll have a eight to 800% return.

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You'd never be able to sell people on that.

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You sell people with the market's about to collapse and then when it does, dollar will

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be worthless and you'll be the king with gold.

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Yeah.

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Any good, any good financial analyst will tell you that gambling on commodities in the

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short term is a brilliant idea.

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That's what sound financial analysts tell everybody is they gamble on short term investments

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in commodities and buy max coin.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So that one, but, but that one's taken as red.

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Yeah.

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So I, I brought up the bullying and that comes into play in this next clip, like every time

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Ted's on, it just Alex seems to want to beat up on him and not let him talk in very interesting

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ways.

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Alex is on this like whole white identity thing on these two days.

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And so what he wants to riff on is the idea that anytime you say anything people call

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you racist.

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Sure.

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And so that's what we're seeing here.

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That's the way he bullies Ted.

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They're in there cutting up black babies and they need to get that out, you know, get that

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white supremacist operation run and they're not going to allow me to stop it.

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I know, I know.

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And that's the thing.

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I mean the black babies, racist, racist, racist, racist.

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I guess it's not racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, but just as I was

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trying to say, I mean, we, we no longer know the value of money.

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If you go deposit, racist, racist, racist.

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If you, if you respected Ted Anderson as a gold salesman, this is a bad way to treat

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him.

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It's nuts.

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Oh God.

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If, if, look, if you and I are re okay.

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If we're reenacting this conversation, I don't even know if I could.

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And we're, we're just friends at a bar and this conversation is happening.

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Hilarious.

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If we're in a professional space, we're done being in a professional space.

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I agree.

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I agree with you.

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But I would also say that you and I sitting at a bar having this conversation that goes

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like this, whatever the riff is, it ends so much quicker than this because I, let's say

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you're the one who's yelling racist at me, I recognize we laugh and then we move on to

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the next.

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And whatever it is, it's like the bit doesn't need to continue this aggressively.

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No, the bit ended when he went, yeah, after the second round of racist, racist, and he

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goes, yeah.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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All right.

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Well, what I'm trying to say is, oh, fuck off.

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You suck.

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So Ted tries to deal with this and he's very unsuccessful.

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Of course.

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Um, here's how Alex plays this.

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You sound like you have some passion with that, Alex.

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And I can tell you the way that you have done well, Lord Vader, we have, we have gotten

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to the point now, young Jedi, you will die.

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I'm sorry.

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Yeah, no, that's right.

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No, that's fine.

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There is something really, really satisfying about watching a shithead being treated so

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poorly.

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I listened to that clip in context of the episode when I cut these clips and I was like,

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that is what happened.

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But now as we're listening to it, I'm like, that really sounds like I just edited together.

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Ted tried to talk with Alex saying things over it.

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It totally does.

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That sounds fake as shit.

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That sounds like you made that shit happen.

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I got very self-conscious and I'm like, I know I didn't do that, but that really sounds

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fake.

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That's unreal.

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What kind of human being would treat a professional colleague like that?

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Your main sponsor, like he's yelling like, you're right, I get that you're passionate

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about that, but I'd love to talk about, I'd love to talk about gold.

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You've done well, Lord Vader.

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It's almost like I have a soundboard and I'm just kidding.

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Nope, that's Alex's brain.

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Nope, that's how it works.

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That is how he treats people.

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It's crazy.

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That is one of the best bits of abuse I think we've ever seen on this show.

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It's insane.

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I have no rooting interest in either one of those people's feelings and I hope they both

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get hurt as much as possible.

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I have no real sympathy for Ted Anderson, certainly, but I hate to see someone treated

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like this.

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Hey, he's a piece of shit, he has it covered.

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But if only for the frustration that I can empathize with, like being around someone

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who acts like that, when you're trying to make a point that's beneficial to both of

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you.

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Like, Ted Anderson is trying to make points that will financially benefit Alex and Alex

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is just like, no, no, no, no, no, race stuff is more important right now.

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I got a head of steam, I got this caller who really fucked with my head, I got to do this

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and Ted, you are my whipping boy.

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I have made you millions of dollars and you know better than to protest my abuse.

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I just think of every person who got fucked over by Ted Anderson while listening to that

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clip and I'm just like, oh man, if only they knew, if only they could listen and hear Ted

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Anderson get his butt kicked like that.

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There'd probably be some schadenfreude in that.

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Oh, for sure.

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And it's not unique at all.

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Like, Alex treats Ted like that quite a bit, which I can understand, but it also does indicate

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to me that Alex's like whole thing about like, I wasn't a bully when I was younger is probably

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not true because Ted does trigger like what bullies like to abuse.

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He's a bookish dork.

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He's like, oh wow, actually the price of gold goes up like, well, what's really a sound

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investment?

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Fuck you, nerd.

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Yeah.

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And so Alex responding like that to him is kind of indicative, like maybe that is how

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you operate.

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People who have detail and substance and like a little bit of a nuanced position that frustrates

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you.

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You have the intensity.

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Yeah.

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And so you take it out on them.

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Totally.

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If you could take it out like that on someone who is basically your meal ticket, you could

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do it to someone at school.

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Yeah, pretty easily.

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I would assume.

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Pretty easily.

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So I've also, from all this, sort of deduced that maybe if Alex is fine bullying Ted and

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he's fine with letting out on air that they're there to talk about longevity issues, which

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is a different sponsor, maybe they are the same company.

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And this next clip kind of makes me feel like that seems to be what's going on here.

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Here's an ad we wrote for a TV ad script that we're putting together for Ted while he's

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down here in town.

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But I think this says it all.

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Ted and I agreed, collaborated on this this morning and wrote this.

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Hi, I'm Ted Anderson, but I'm actually Alex Jones.

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Ted's right there.

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While I'm reading this, we'll aim the camera at Ted.

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Hi, I'm Ted Anderson.

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President of Midas Resources.

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If you are somebody who is being sponsored by this company, it doesn't make sense for

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you then to have to write ad copy for them.

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That seems like a different kind of relationship.

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Yeah.

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Alex is here talking about on air, like we wrote this ad for Midas.

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Why?

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That should be their ad department.

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Yeah, that's very strange.

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That's a very strange situation right there.

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I mean, they're the same company.

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I'm not sure about this, but I think that's a very borderline illegal.

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I don't think it's illegal.

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I think it's just like it's an indication of how entwined they are.

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For all intents and purposes, they are the same company.

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No, I know.

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It's a facade.

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Most of Ted's revenue through Midas is like a lot of it is Alex Jones based advertising

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and the way Alex carries himself on his show.

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GCN as a radio network only exists because of Alex Jones.

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The rest of those shows, even if some of them are on more markets than Alex, none of them

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are nearly as huge as Alex.

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No, of course not.

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And the shows that they have that have grown into something are only possible because of

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the relationship that started in like 99 between Alex and Ted.

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You can't disentangle them.

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They are the same company.

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They have come up together through decades.

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And that's why when Ted lost his license to sell gold and had a million dollars that he

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had to pay off for his malfeasance and Alex immediately after that did a money bomb, that's

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why that sort of thing is like that is not a coincidence.

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This is him paying off the fines that Ted Anderson needs to pay or else he'll be fucked.

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These two companies are just this they might as well be the same, but for legal reasons

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they can't.

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And that's why they exist like this.

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But that's what I'm saying.

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I think for that's why when he said that we're writing ad copy for you, that is where legal

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reasons get into, oh, that's why legal reasons exist.

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That's illegal.

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You know what I'm saying?

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But the ad copywriting isn't enough.

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No, I know.

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Because you could do that as a favor.

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I know.

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I know.

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Alex would probably present it as like, look, Ted's a great guy.

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He's great with gold, but he's not good with the word.

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And that's why I bully him all the time.

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They could put together an invoice or whatever like that.

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I know.

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I know that.

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He gets on air and he starts talking and I got to fucking yell racist at him because

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he's not good at talking.

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When he's not good at talking, I got to say it extends also to the ad copy that he writes.

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So I do a little bit of that for him and we're all better for it.

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We're all golden.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Literally.

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Literally.

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Yeah, but it does indicate just such a strong connection between the two that is so much

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deeper than what they would.

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And when you recognize that the relationship between them is so much deeper, it makes all

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of the other times that he so embarrassingly sells gold so much more suspicious.

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Like all of the financial collapse narratives that he's talking about with Bob Chapman that

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immediately lead into, and now Ted's here to sell gold.

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It all is just like, it's so gross.

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So fucking gross.

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Yep.

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So we have one more clip and it's about a story that had come out that Michael Moore

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is apparently trying to work towards getting photos from Sandy Hook released because he

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has the belief that if you see the reality of this situation, it will lead you to recognize

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the severity of the situation that we're dealing with.

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That poor, naive, idealistic bastard.

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And so Alex responds like this.

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Folks, as you know, Michael Moore is saying he's going to finish off the second amendment

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in the NRA by trying to get the photos released, and Dianne Feinstein's been licking her lips

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about that.

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Watch a hacker get them or something.

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And they're just going to throw them up there and show them it'll all be photoshopped.

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This is looking more and more like a staged deal.

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I mean, they've staged other mass killings, the globalist have, and it has all the tell

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tell signs.

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Aurora, no doubt was.

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Nope.

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There we go.

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I know that it seems like there has been nothing throughout this course of this episode about

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the main idea that we're looking at in 2013, which is the progression at Sandy Hook.

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But here we have, at the end of this March 14th episode, him saying like, oh, Michael

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Moore wants these photos to come out, which would shock people into recognizing the real

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tragedy and the fucking awful situation that can be brought about by gun violence.

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I need to defend from that.

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The only way I can do that if those photos come out is to say that they're photoshopped

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photos.

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Yeah.

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And if I do that, then I might as well go all the way and say this is a staged event.

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Yep.

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Now, he's still not saying they're actors, but boy, this is close and it's a jump.

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It's a jump because we've been listening to this and there has not been like in the last

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couple episodes from 2013 any indication that he's going in that direction.

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This seems to be like a pretty out of nowhere jump.

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I don't know what that will pretend, but I do think that this white identity shit that

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he's deeply on, this prediction that there's going to be a coming false flag that he's

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using to preemptively justify in case some of his buddies start doing some shit, I think

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a lot of that is tied in.

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I think all of it is there's a tapestry that is being woven.

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And I think his Sandy Hook denial is a part of it.

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Yeah.

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And it can't be understood outside of those contextual pieces.

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I'd be interested to know, and it's impossible to quantify this or even measure it, but the

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thought that I have is like, what if it wasn't Michael Moore specifically?

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I think it would be the same.

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It would probably be the same.

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But the fact that it's Michael Moore raises that like Alex Jones has those hackles and

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just personal.

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He should like Michael Moore based on some of his, especially his early work.

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Right.

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Except for his guns.

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Yeah.

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Except for the guns.

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Like I imagine if it was somebody else, not somebody who can turn it from the impersonal

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to personal, because he hates Michael Moore.

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He does.

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You know, like his reaction to Michael Moore doing something is going to be more extreme,

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you would assume, than if it were just somebody else.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But then again, we saw with Pollock, like it doesn't even fucking matter.

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Yeah.

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I agree.

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I agree.

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And I think also Michael Moore is more of a threat to him than some rando saying this.

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Right.

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That's true.

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And if it was someone who was in the same media level as Michael Moore said it, I think

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he'd respond similarly, even though he hates Michael Moore and has built up narratives

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about him.

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Yeah.

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But I think all that's important about it is someone of relative cultural importance

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is saying this.

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Agreed.

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And that is why I must respond.

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Even if that is what makes him dance closer to like it being staged, because staged is

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different than false flag as he was presenting it before.

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Yes.

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Like because before the globalist went in and killed the children and then the patsy

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Lanza was killed.

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False flag is just a different person.

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Staged is very different.

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Absolutely.

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So I don't know.

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I don't know what that pretends for the future, but I should tell you I have cut out an entire

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hour and a half of this episode.

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On the 14th, he then gets into an interview with a grandfather who is anti-vax.

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And I don't care about that interview at all.

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He apparently has a radio show.

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Yeah.

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I don't care at all.

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It's the stupidest shit I'd heard.

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It ends the episode and then it goes into overdrive.

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Alex goes into overdrive for another hour.

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But guess what?

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Alex leaves.

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What?

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His grandpa hosts the last hour.

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Hold on.

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Hold on.

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What the fuck are you talking about?

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No.

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No.

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Does he have an unhung painting?

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Is that why he's getting the fourth hour?

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Is that all anybody needs to do?

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There is no formal fourth hour at this point, but this is Jesus.

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This is a proto fourth hour having someone else host the fourth hour as a very proto

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example of this.

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And I don't know why they did it.

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It might have been broker programming.

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Might have been.

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I have no fucking idea.

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As it seemed to me, Alex did about a half hour with this guy and then he wanted to talk

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more about Andy Vax stuff and they can continue the show.

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And Alex doesn't give a shit.

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Alex doesn't need to be there.

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Yeah.

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Sure.

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You have fun.

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I have some Jamesons out in the car.

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I'm going to just get out of here.

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So that's what happened.

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And I was like, this is insane.

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Even listening to this period of time, I'd not heard like Alex surrender the fourth hour

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to somebody other than one of his employees.

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Because there was that patch back in like, I think it was in 2009 when we tried to do

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four hours and he had people like David Knight or Rob Jacobson.

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Like his employees would do the fourth hour as if it was Infowars Nightly News.

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But have some rogue entity do the fourth hour.

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Yeah, that's kind of wild.

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Interesting.

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Very weird.

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It's kind of wild.

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Yeah.

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And not good.

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No.

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So we come to the end of this.

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I think what I would like to say is like, this is a racist pile of shit.

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Yes.

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This, I don't even think it's fully encapsulated by our episode.

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The 14th, especially March 14th was a impossible to get through pile.

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It was just, you're digging through racism the entire time.

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And it's triggered by the LA Times narrative that he started on the 13th.

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And that was triggered by him trying to defend the very real murder threats that one of his

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sponsors and people in his community were making.

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So I see trends happening here and it's because we're in 2019 and I'm looking back on this,

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I know that I see so many dynamics.

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He's saying that there's going to be a false flag that happens.

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And I know why he's doing that because of all these things, what I just described, the

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militia people who are threatening to do shit like that.

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But then the fact that a high profile attack does happen and it's not blamed on white people.

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But Alex is going to present it as if it is.

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And Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the brother who dies, was an Infowars fan.

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That becomes like Alex's way of being like, they're trying to blame me for this.

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I know that because I remember it.

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And I just see these dynamics happening and it really makes me anxious.

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But very excited.

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I'm very excited about this period of time.

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But also I'm so fucking, I didn't know that in March Alex is predicting a terrorist attack

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is about to happen.

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But I also didn't know that a couple months before this, one of his buddies is threatening

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to shoot and kill people.

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That's a problem.

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So all of this context is very new to me and it's exciting but fucking anxiety provoking.

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Well the thing that I am most excited for, Dan, is, and I think this might be a first,

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but your prediction that the Boston bombing is where shit's going to start getting wild.

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I'm really excited because that is starting to sound true.

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Every time we've made a prediction at all in the past, suddenly you got to give it up

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to the Somali pirates.

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But this time it really does look like things, like we're getting a solid, we're getting

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a hanging cement mixer curve ball right at the goddamn belt.

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But you know, you know, because history is prelude, what is going to happen is that he's

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going to start saying that Sandy Hook was a false flag and that there were actors before.

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Yeah, no, of course.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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Just to fuck with our heads.

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Exactly.

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Yep.

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We're seeing all the dynamics and all the things that are playing out.

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And it all makes perfect sense.

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As soon as the Boston bombing happens, that's when he's going to lose his mind and all of

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these things are going to come together.

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The next episode, boom.

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God damn it.

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March 17th, he comes on air and he's like, guys, I got to tell you, God damn it, Alex.

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You son of a bitch.

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You're a confusing asshole, but thank you for informing us that they literally attack

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our testicles.

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It's important that everyone knows the devil.

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So thank you for bringing that to our attention.

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Well done.

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So we'll be back.

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I hope you're having a great vacation.

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Me too.

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Yeah.

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I'm really excited to hope I'm having a good vacation.

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We will be back probably not on the next episode.

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Well, no, I don't know.

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We'll see.

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Yeah.

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Well, but you and I will.

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The show will be back.

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The show and I will be back as soon as we can.

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Wednesday of next week, probably.

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Yeah, certainly.

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Well, probably.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But until then, we have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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You bet.

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We also are on Twitter.

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It is at knowledge underscore fight and at Go Bad Jordan.

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Yes.

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And you know what?

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What?

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We're on Facebook.

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We are on Facebook.

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Now, if you wanted to download this podcast and you could do that by going to iTunes now,

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we're actually in the past right now.

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So you're in the future.

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The other way to download this podcast would be to build a time machine.

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That is important.

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And then you would be able to download this podcast at any point in time from when it

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is released.

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There's something that people don't actually know, and that is that there are a bunch of

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episodes of our podcast that we've released that are buried in the past.

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Yes, that's actually true.

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If you're listening to this in 2019, there are like 200 episodes that we have that you

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can only access if you have a time machine and you travel back to 1776.

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Now, on the other hand, you could also...

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Tench Cox, founding father Tench Cox has a zip drive that we gave him.

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He didn't know what it was, but we gave it to him and we said, you protect this like

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you protect guns, you anti-federalist son of a bitch.

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We gave it to him.

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And if you get a time machine and you go back to 1776, 200 more episodes of our show are

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available.

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True.

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You can also find them on iTunes once you get that flash drive.

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You could travel forward, however, to 2176 when those episodes will be excavated.

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And finally they will be shown in the Louvre.

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By the great archaeologist Nomzod.

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Policy wonk Nomzod.

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Kneel before Nomzod!

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Has unearthed those episodes.

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All right.

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All right.

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I don't know why I joined in on that.

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I don't know.

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That's just a riff.

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I don't know.

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Until we get back, I have been the Jesus Lizard.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.