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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan!
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We're a couple dudes who like to celebrate Halloween.
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Oh no! What did you just do?
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By drinking novelty beverages and talking about Alex Jones.
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Do you know a lot about Halloween?
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I know so little about Halloween.
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I know nothing about Halloween on account of when I was born, my family was in a cult and they wouldn't allow me to celebrate it.
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It was of the devil.
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Yeah, my partner is, she's dressing up for Halloween, she's going to school dressed up and she's got a Halloween party and she's going to do the whole thing.
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You should make it that she's a teacher.
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She is a teacher, yeah, I apologize.
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No, no, no, that's true.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Raised eyebrow.
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My parents were real religious as we've discussed too, but thankfully that was one that they gave amiss to.
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They gave that one a pass.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They didn't like me and my brother dressing up in sort of evil-ish or gory costumes at all, but they were like, yeah, go get some candy, enjoy it.
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Yeah.
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So that was nice.
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It seems simple.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You go get candy, why are we throwing that?
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It's a great system.
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My parents live like the satanic panic era, just never ended.
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Just like, we're still, they're, kiss, did you just listen to kiss, Dan?
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See, that sounds more like my uncle who is a psychologist who wrote a couple books about multiple personality disorder and believed that all multiple personality disorder was caused by ritualistic satanic abuse and the only cure, Jesus.
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Prove a negative, prove that's not true.
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Right.
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Nuts, wild stuff.
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So that's what I know about Halloween.
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That's what I know about Halloween.
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So this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones.
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And today, as is our tradition a lot of the time.
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I mean, it's a holiday, so that's number one.
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And number two, it's the middle of the week, so it's time for Wacky Wednesday.
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And God damn it, if we don't need a Wacky Wednesday, it's so fucking bad, Dan.
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Absolutely.
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Dan, we need a Wacky Wednesday so bad.
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No, as I was going-
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Give me a Wacky Wednesday.
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As I was going over this, I was like, we need something fucking fun because it has been a draw.
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It's been awful.
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It is dark.
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It is dark.
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So last week, whether it's been in the present day or even in the past, we're still hitting on, even when we're back in 2009, still hitting on some very relevant things about excusing white terrorism.
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Which we've definitively proven never happens, so we can all just move on.
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So a lot of stuff that's still very, very, while it's still within the conversation of this show, it's still a chore to unpack.
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It takes a lot out of you emotionally.
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Emotional toll is astronomical.
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And I imagine the same is true for our audience.
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And so what we have to do whenever we get into those modes is we have to take a step back and pay a visit to Carrie Cassidy and the world of Project Camelot.
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Hell yeah, we do.
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They, for those of you who haven't heard our Project Camelot episodes, it's a YouTube channel where a lady named Carrie gets together with some of her weird space friends and they tell her stories about space battles.
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Some of them are not space friends, some of them just own a telescope, Dan.
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That's true, but he's still space adjacent.
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He's space Jason.
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He's space Jason, yeah.
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There's also a lot of weird stuff on there that we just don't cover about, like, she just did a recent two-part video series about Christine Basley Ford and-
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Oh, God, no.
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I imagine it's all just about the same stuff Alex was talking about, about it being mind control operations and shit like that, but I'm like, I give a pass to those videos.
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I'm like, I'm not going to watch this.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So, Jordan, today I want to tell you this, this episode probably took more work than most Alex Jones episodes.
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All right.
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Those, like, Alex Jones episodes involve a lot of research, they involve a lot of my time.
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This episode took me so many, listening to so many episodes of Project Camelot and being like, no, this is not the right one.
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Okay, this was a browsing in the cereal aisle episode.
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Yeah, I got an email recently from a listener who wanted us to go over a super soldier episode that came out recently.
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Right, right, right.
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That listener, Kurt Russell.
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The episode, the super soldier that she had on recently was someone named Penny LA Shepherd, and I listened to it and I'm like, oh, this is pretty wild stuff.
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This is some nonsense.
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And I started looking into the Miss Shepherd.
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It's all true.
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No, it made me really sad.
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The picture started to come together of a woman whose family put her in a home and so, as is our, like, our policy basically with Project Camelot episodes is like, it's all good and well until we're making fun of somebody who seems like they're actually struggling.
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Oh.
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And so when I listen to that, it's, you know, it's a good couple hours of my life now that I'm like, we can't go over this.
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Yeah.
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It would just be two hours of us making fun of someone who's mentally ill.
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Right.
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And that's not that's not what we're here to do.
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We're here to talk about Funny Space Weirdos.
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And if you want to do that, make your own show about us.
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That's it's not hard to make fun of us.
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And you're mentally ill.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, go for it.
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Enjoy.
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Yeah, we can even we can even give you a little give you a little plug on this show.
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These MAGA weirdos haven't done a show where they do to us what we do to Alex Jones.
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Oh, it's strange.
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It's almost as though because you accurately research and source everything.
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It's tough.
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Yeah.
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So I went through a number of other episodes and I was like, fuck, you need to find we need to find the goods.
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And so finally, I'm scrolling through and I find an episode about a guy named Captain J.
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I like a captain when it comes to when it comes to
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Karen Cassidy, if you got a captain, I'm in.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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That's that's number one.
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If you have an official title.
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Yes, you're good as gold, my friend.
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And then second, he had information about Mars.
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And I'm like, well, we got to know about what we need.
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We need to know more about Mars.
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I mean, yeah, it's it's red planets roughly similar in size to Earth.
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That's all you need to know, right?
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Yes.
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And another thing you need to know is that this episode came out years ago.
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It was just after she started interviewing Mark Richards.
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So she's in a little bit of a different state of mind.
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All right.
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And I will say that these are the sort of people that she was willing to interview back then.
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OK, so she's less stridently confident in that everything she knows from Mark Richards is correct
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and is more in a very receptive state.
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I wouldn't say that.
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OK, I would say that she is less full of herself.
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All right.
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She has less of a I think that Mark Richards and his blustery sociopath behavior kind of rubbed off on her.
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Maybe a little bit.
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And now when she gets in the room with like an Eddie Page or that guy with the telescope, she's able to.
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Let's it's always important to remember that one of our episodes was about a guy who had a telescope.
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Worked at a bus station.
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I will never remember his name.
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No, he had a telescope.
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What else is there to know?
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It's important.
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So but like she'll be able to get into room with one of these guys and she'll be able to mold their narrative to help fit hers.
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Or patently just reject it.
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Whereas back then, from when she's talking to Captain Jay, I think that she has more of a like, all right, I'll let this guy speak, whatever.
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Like, let's see what we can get out of this.
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And then it leads to stuff like this out of context drop from today's show.
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I appreciate this information and you coming forward.
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However, you can you can also appreciate from my point of view that this does sound rather outlandish, right?
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Oh, see, I was about to say that based on your description, this was going to harken back to an earlier time when I believed Carrie to be the most credulous woman on the planet.
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And instead, you just played that.
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I get what you're saying.
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Yeah, but you know how this is bullshit?
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It sounds like bullshit, too.
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I'm suggesting that back then she had more of an operation going where it's like, well, we wasted an hour talking, but nah, still going to put this out.
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So I think there's something like that going on.
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It'd be like if at every one of our episodes we just end with like, yeah, I'm going to pass on this one.
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And it's just I think modern day Carrie would have taken Captain Jay when he came in and hear the things that she's saying that she has deemed outlandish and been like, well, from the information I've got, maybe it's possible that blah, blah, blah.
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Mark Richards has told me that it's Y or Z is the case and try and get him to be like, you know, now that you mention it.
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Yes, absolutely. Whereas back then, she's like, you know that this is pretty absurd.
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Excuse me, sir. Have you considered going and fucking yourself?
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Because what? What?
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All right. This was a great hour talking with you.
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We're going to let you go. And I'll say I agree with her.
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This is absurd. OK, but wait on Project Camelot, it's outlandish, I believe is the way she put it.
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And I agree. I teased on the last episode that we got a song to play.
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Yes. And I don't know. You have been bothering me with how excited you are about this song for four days.
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Should we do it now? Of course we should do it now.
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All right. That that leads my instincts to say that we should wait, but I'm not that cruel.
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So I will go ahead and play it. Guys, in doing some research, in fiddling around, looking at the Project Camelot world, I found.
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That back in 2014, Carrie Cassidy made an album.
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What? No. Yep. Do not tell me this information.
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Carrie Cassidy made an album called Rebel Gene, I believe is the name of it.
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Is it on Spotify? I don't know if it's on Spotify, but.
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What does she play? I don't think that she plays anything.
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She doesn't play anything. I don't think so.
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Is she spoken wordy? Is she singing? She's the charismatic front woman.
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OK. And here is. She's like Karen O.
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Here is a little. Is she Karen O? She's not.
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OK. Here is a little taste of the track Rebel Gene.
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I need to pause for a second. I kind of like it.
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I need to pause for a second just to say that the song is called Space Command. Well, yeah, it's from the album Rebel Gene.
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OK, hold on. If you were watching the fourth Matrix movie and they played that in the underground.
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It would be distracting. Yeah. No, no, no. It would be perfect.
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And have many uses to visiting races.
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First of all, as a food source with the reps and braes and maybe others.
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Slaves for building things, serving various races, trading,
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Why am I arguing with the song? Study as in scientific study.
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Earth is a desirable vacation spot, access to minerals, precious stones, top side use of land.
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Is she hypnotizing us? I think so. Underground bases jumping off point to other systems, breeding and genetic programs, human females.
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Is this a J Dilla track? Is that what's going on? Black star, dark star energy.
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One, two, three. No, never mind. This type of energy is highly prized in the multiverse.
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It puts humans on the level with other races. They don't appreciate that.
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Who doesn't? They. OK, so that's the sample that we have of Space Command.
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Legitimately, that could be an early thievery corporation track like that really doesn't sound that terrible.
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Early, early. I'm not saying this is their later, more evolved stuff or they're even later, more shitty stuff.
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I went and found like the samples of the other songs on the album and they're on par.
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But some of them have a little bit more of a reggae feel. Can I listen to a reggae track?
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I don't want to. I don't want to play. Maybe later. Maybe later in the show.
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We can't just turn this into a music podcast. But, you know, that was that's definitely the standout.
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The Space Command. That's that's that's a gold standard. That's fucking delight.
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Yeah. Really, that is that is that really does make me happy in a lot of ways.
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What I told you earlier, that it was still going to blow your mind, even though you knew something was coming.
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I never, never would have guessed that. Still satisfies like Snickers. So good.
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So let's jump in here. Carrie, as we open every episode with Project Camelot, Carrie says her name.
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But things go slightly differently almost immediately in this introduction.
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Hi, everyone. This is Carrie Cassidy. Hi, Carrie.
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I am now going live and we have Captain J is the moniker he wishes to use here with us today.
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And this is a very impromptu set up. We are going to put this onto YouTube after the fact.
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It's generally. And so, Captain J, there is no actually let me move this out of the way.
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OK, there's no clear cut way to ascertain whether or not you have actually been to Mars and part of the Mars program.
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So I want people to understand that from the beginning.
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Lightfully disagree. So there are plenty of ways to ascertain that there are so many ways to ascertain that.
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I go there are like a million different ways to ascertain that.
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But in test for test for Mars remnants test to see if there was any astronaut astronomical movement around the time when he says he was supposed to have left Earth and gone to Mars.
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Ask him for specifics. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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Easiest. Oh, no, that one would help. Yeah. So ask him what he breathed.
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I love the idea that Carrie is giving that disclaimer at the beginning of the show, because that means she doesn't know what the fuck is coming.
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She is worried that this is going to be crazy.
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It's just she's like, look, we're doing this interview. I have no idea what to tell you, but we can't prove this is true.
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No shit. You can't prove anything is true. We can't even prove this guy is going to show up.
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We don't even know he's a captain. How long has she been doing the show at this point?
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This is like probably three years ago. I mean, I don't fucking know.
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She's at the beginning date of her show on YouTube and her investigations and stuff like that. It's kind of nebulous.
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So she's OK. I think that she's been on YouTube for like six or seven years.
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OK. Our interview series. And this is like three years ago. So this is like 2013.
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All right. So she's just 2014, 2015. So she's just finding her sea legs.
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Right. Right. OK. She probably just recorded that space command.
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Yeah. That'll that'll take a little bit out of it. But he'll put you out of sorts for a while.
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Yeah, no doubt. So what you need to know is that this interview is happening very soon after the interview with space super soldier Randy Kramer.
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The guy who we did our first episode about. Yes. The guy who woke up in his bed at 18 and claimed whatever.
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Travel back in time. But it was space time and a lot of time to have a lot of space battle.
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That's why you can't with various alien races and children on Mars, the solar protection unit or whatever.
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Got to protect them. Solar. So Randy Kramer had come out and done his interview on Project Camelot fairly recently before this,
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which is relevant because he goes by the name Captain K. This guy is chosen.
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So they're full on. I actually wrote down the moment she said, Captain, it's like men in black.
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J and K. I literally wrote that down. I literally wrote that down.
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I don't think that they're. He's necessarily trying to make that connection.
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But it is being me. What he is doing is he's trying to say, well, first of all, my initial is J.
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So there's that. OK. And then second, J comes before K in the alphabet.
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And I came before Randy Kramer in space. He is going to say that so many times.
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He's so petty about it. That is the pettiest thing. Yeah. And not even that.
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Just like, OK, fine. So wait a second.
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Then that means that you specifically, however, chose your name in order to make it look like you were before this guy.
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Well, because he was he's older and he's he makes the argument that like I was around 20 years before he was up there in space.
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Well, then you could have called yourself Captain A. Why did you choose the one letter before that?
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Come on. His name is. Come on. Anyway, that's a lack of imagination that I don't appreciate in my super shoulder.
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He's got plenty coming up. All right. Don't worry about it. Good. Good. Good.
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So in this next clip, he does express that no one paid attention to him trying to talk about space weirdness.
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And then Randy Kramer came along and he's like, ah, here we go.
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So welcome and please introduce yourself.
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OK, I'm using the name Captain J because it is my first initial and also it's the letter before K.
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Sounds like a super soldier. Captain K come online. That's Randy Kramer. He called himself Captain K.
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I thought, well, there it is. You know, here's my opportunity. You have the name 20 years.
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I'm trying to put stuff up online, you know, seven, eight years ago and just, you know, connect to the Wi-Fi to to get far.
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But once Randy appeared, I realized that this is what we've been waiting for.
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I'm sorry. So, yeah, you know, he's he's saying basically no one was listening to me before Randy Kramer showed up.
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He's like, got to strike while the iron's hot. Yeah, for sure. This is when I can get in as the guy who came before him.
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Yeah. Even though I'm very quite literally by any and all definitions, the guy who came after him.
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Well, we can you know, you can see that this is like the opportunism just personified.
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Yeah. Just demonstrated. He's he's like, OK, yeah, yeah. No one's listening now.
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I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to get in while. So do the super soldier drugs make you sound like an accountant?
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I don't think that's if it is it's a side effect they probably wish to get rid of.
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Yeah, it doesn't sound very like if I was going to and I'm not listen, I'm against the military industrial complex.
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But if I was going to create a race of super soldiers, I would want maybe an imposing voice.
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Maybe at the very least, you know, I'm a very nasal tenor. I would prefer a thick base.
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That's all I'm saying. It's nice to have this voice. But I know that's perfect.
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I'll also say that you need to you couldn't sue super soldier with that.
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Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. You need to pump the brakes because you're assuming, first of all, this guy is a super soldier.
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He's a captain. Well, that doesn't mean shit. He's not really a captain.
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You're assuming he's a super soldier. You're assuming that the government did something to him.
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All of these things may be erroneous assumptions.
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Now, I know that you're making those assumptions because he's comparing himself to Randy Kramer, who is a super soldier and had the government do that.
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That's kind of what I was jumping from.
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It turns out he's not a super soldier at all.
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Oh, OK. He's an accountant.
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And his story is convoluted as fuck.
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I will do my best to pull the strings in order to untangle this thing.
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Leave this not Gordian, Dan. I say to you now.
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I have no confidence in my ability to make this make sense, but I will do my best.
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And I will obfuscate you at every possible chance.
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Absolutely. That's the game plan.
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In this next clip, Captain Jay goes on to explain some of the credentials he has, some of the organizations he was involved in.
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And then Kerry asks him a very basic question and it almost ruins the entire interview.
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So right off the bat, starting in the 1950s, as a child, I was put into the program, various programs, and we were Navy at that time.
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Well, we did a lot of test missions, jets and whatnot.
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So I was Navy and Marines at that time.
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And I'm sure they'll back that up if they ever get around to actually that mattering.
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Then we went into the CIA, a well-known MK ultra program went all the way through that.
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We've heard that one before.
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He didn't go all the way through that program.
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He graduated.
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He became ultra.
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Well, normally you'd call a rover myself and another suit model group of people.
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Okay. I'm going to slow you down right there because you're actually saying a few things here that the people will be slightly confused with.
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So you're saying you're Navy and Marines.
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Can you elaborate how do you go from one organization to another?
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Good point.
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Well, originally, people had forgotten this, there wasn't a real space program involving rockets.
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We just had the Navy sending up jets to reach the edge of the atmosphere and other space.
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Okay, give me a year.
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Give me a year.
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Oh, somewhere in the mid 50s, mid 50s through till 1963 when the first Mars probe went up, which was actually a small manned rocket.
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Okay.
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So we're getting into a lot of stuff that has been not admitted to, if you will.
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I will.
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I guess I will.
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We have to accept that if we're going to go any further, but that's an inability to give any specifics.
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It's like, why were you in the Navy and the Marines at the same time?
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Well, back then we didn't have rockets.
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We didn't have rockets.
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And then there were jets flying around.
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Not an answer as to why you were in multiple arms of the service.
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Give me a year, Dan.
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Wow, mid 50s through 63.
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All right.
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So all those years?
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I guess so.
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What about now?
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Well, this guy.
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I am loving a man whose backstory invalidates him immediately.
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I have a lot of trouble with this sort of Project Camelot episode.
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That's something that just doesn't even know anything about the branches of military.
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Or years is tough because you should be able to.
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I can't judge a man for not knowing years.
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I do not know years.
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You would if you sat and thought about him, though, probably.
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You'd be able to put together like.
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Oh, if I were in a secret space program?
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Yes, absolutely.
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Well, number one, if you were in a secret space program, you probably have the timeline down.
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I would definitely know that information.
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But even about your life where there's some sort of ambiguity about when things happened,
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if you were going to go do an interview specifically about those things, you'd be able to sit down
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ahead of time and be like, well, that happened right around the same time as X, Y, or Z.
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It happened before this event in my life.
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So I know it was before that.
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Right.
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And you'd be able to prepare yourself with specific information should that question
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come up.
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The fact that he hasn't done that means this guy might be might be making a lot of shit
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up.
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I just love the confidence of a guy who just has no idea what he's talking about and is
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literally just like, if I just say things stridently and powerfully, people will just
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believe me.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And this is one of the like I was saying, this type of project.
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Wait, no, hold on.
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I don't love that confidence.
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It's destroying the world.
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There we go.
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Now I got it.
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This this this type of Project Camelot episode is kind of a challenge for me because we have
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a guy using an alias, Captain J. Yeah.
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How am I supposed to find out anything about who this fucking person actually is?
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Well, it is his original initial.
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Well, sure.
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That doesn't help.
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Also, I believe his name is just J. JAY.
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I think that's probably right.
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Probably.
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It's like a Simpsons episode.
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We have like Mark Richards.
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I can look into that.
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We can talk about his whole murdery past.
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We have Randy Kramer.
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I can at least find more information about him to flesh out the picture with Captain
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J. I got nothing.
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I just have his word to go on.
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So don't be easy, easy, easy research path to go down.
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No, just find anyone who has been in both the Marines and the Navy.
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Well, he's there can't be a ton of those guys.
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He's on video.
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So I do know what he looks like.
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Is it an accountant?
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No.
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Okay.
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Probably not.
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But look, dude, so he was in the Navy, the Marines, he was in the CIA.
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He went all the way through MK Ultra, whatever that means.
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Yeah, he went all the way through it.
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From the mid-50s to 1963, he's involved in something or other, unspecific.
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When there are jets, not rockets.
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No rockets, jets.
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Now- Does he not even know when rockets were invented?
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Unimportant.
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They were invented way before the mid-50s.
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One time he did see October Sky.
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Oh, okay.
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He did see that movie one time.
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All right.
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Jake Gyllenhaal's best work.
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In this next clip- Why do I know he was in that?
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Was he in that?
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I think he was.
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Okay.
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But none of those things that we've already talked about bear any relevance to this next
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clip because he's going to jump forward to the 70s to talk about something else that
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I believe- Good.
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He's in safer ground.
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Well, I think that there's more- Carrie's not great at nailing him down on details,
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but I think most of the story he's going to tell for the rest of this has to do with stuff
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in the 70s.
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Okay.
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So all of that stuff about him being in the Navy and the Marines and the CIA and MK Ultra
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in the 50s through 63, I don't think- Wipe it out.
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I don't think it's that important.
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It's just to demonstrate how blurry his backstory is.
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Gotcha.
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So anyway, we go to the 70s.
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So you were part of a small group.
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How big was the group?
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All right.
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In the 70s when we went up, we were called Alpha Team.
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I believe there was Delta Team, but I'm not 100% sure who they were.
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I do know who Alpha Team are to this day and I received an email from one of them this
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morning saying, go ahead, we're going to give it hell.
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And there was five of us on the pilot- Okay, but I thought you said you went up in
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the 50s.
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Man.
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In the 50s we did test missions in jets and in rockets, but we did not go to Mars until
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1963-ish, at which time we did one quick orbit in a little chip that everyone was told was
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a probe.
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There was actually two young adults in there, me and the same pilot who flew us up there
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in the 70s.
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And all we did was orbit once and come straight back because there was a teaming civilization
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evident on the surface.
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Whoa.
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So- Whoa.
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In 1963 there was a- There's a teaming civilization and you're
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only going to go around once?
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Let's just look at it.
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What?
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Give it a second go, maybe take another couple of pictures, maybe just double check that
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there's a teaming civilization.
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Defying all laws of physics and the technology we had available to us in 1963.
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They made it to Mars, documented seeing a teaming civilization and didn't think, let's
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find out more.
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They said, let's go home.
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Quick question, Dan, how long would it take you to get to Mars?
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Real long time.
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How much would you say they had invested in, say, 1963 in life support?
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Listen, I don't care about that part.
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Oh, okay.
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I will say that I know that based on his story, he is a child at the time.
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So it takes- Young adults at the time, Dan.
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No, no.
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He was a young adult.
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Hold on to that.
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Okay.
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I will say that it takes longer to get to Mars than he was old at the time.
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So that is a problem.
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Unless we've always had light speed travel technology or some shit, and I'm not super
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interested in that.
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So Jordan, Jordan.
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Yes, yeah, yeah.
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Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan.
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I need to lead you towards the most important thing.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm getting bogged down in all of these ridiculous details.
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One of the problems is I don't know a lot about physics and I don't know how far planets
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are away exactly.
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I have a sense, but I don't know exactly.
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It's a jaunt.
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Mars is a jaunt.
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Jupiter is a bit of a long walk.
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Sure, sure.
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And then Pluto-
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Yeah.
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That's a grippy years away.
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Oh, man.
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A gripper.
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It would take at least a fortnight's fortnight to get there.
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Undoubtedly.
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Yeah.
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So one of the things that I find most interesting about this interview, and one of the reasons
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why I'm very excited to talk about it, is it introduces us to so many new alien races.
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Okay.
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I'm way in.
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Mark Richards brought us the raptors.
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I've been getting bored.
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We peaked at spider leadership.
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We had spider leadership in the mix.
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We got raptors.
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We got reptoids.
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Of course.
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We got the mantis, the manted beings.
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Grays.
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The grays are always... They're always... Although, I will say, this gentleman, Captain Jay,
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has a very different take on the gray, which is probably why Kerry says that this is ludicrous
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nonsense.
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Okay, of course.
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We have the Pleiadians.
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We have, like I already said, raptors.
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We have-
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Didn't we have beetle beings at one point?
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Beetle beings were in Vietnam.
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Pretty sure we had beetle beings in Vietnam.
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Yeah.
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There's a lot of aliens, but we get a bunch of new ones.
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Dracos.
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Yeah.
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That's wrapped up with reptilians.
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But you're right.
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Yes.
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They are in the mix.
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Thank you.
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So we get a host of them.
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We get a bevy.
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And it starts to be introduced in this next clip.
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And then subsequent to that, what happens?
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In other words, you said you went in the 70s, but between, say, 63 and 70, any other trips?
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Well, that's when everything happens.
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Okay?
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Right now, we have to talk about eating.
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But no trips.
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As opposed to denizens of this solar system, which even if there's ants and centipedes
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and humanoids and other strange creatures on Mars, they're still what I would consider
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locals.
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However, the silver-flying saucers of legend just never went away as far as we were concerned.
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Okay.
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So now, if you're not following exactly, what Captain J has just said is that if you go
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to Mars, you will find ant beings, centipede beings, but they're not really aliens, because
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they're our neighbors.
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They're locals.
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Yeah, they're locals.
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They're part of this whole thing.
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But there are silver-flying crafts of legend that have always been around, and they are
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not locals.
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They are not locals.
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So this is the world that we are now interjecting ourselves into.
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This is the basic setup that is super important.
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You know what I do like about this, though, is that this guy is thinking locally, you
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know?
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Everybody else has been talking about interstellar beings for such a long time, and still including
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all of these guys who hang out in our solar system as being xenophobes.
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Like, these guys, he, at the very least, this guy-
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This is very progressive.
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Is progressive.
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Yeah, there is-
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These aren't illegal immigrants.
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They're our neighbors, Dan.
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There is an element of it that is that that makes me feel very uncomfortable.
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But at the same time, you hear it, and you're like, all right.
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All right.
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Yeah, at least you- Hey, they're from Mars?
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Mars is just a skip away.
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Come on.
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Yeah, you're cool with centipedes being just like us.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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I know you're speaking in metaphors, and I'm like, okay.
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He's like somebody who's like, listen, Indiana's still part of America, guys.
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Let's not pretend that we need to close off our border.
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So Jordan-
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We do.
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I think that it would be wrong to assume that Captain J is a space soldier so much.
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Right.
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And one of the things that I think you need to know is that he's more of a space diplomat,
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but also that doesn't make sense.
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And he's a pilot.
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No, he's not.
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We're going to get into that later.
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Captain should not be taken literally.
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Okay.
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Nevermind.
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Yeah.
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It's an honorary title.
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Kerry does literally ask him in one of the later clips-
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What are you a captain of?
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You are the pilot, right?
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And he's like, oh, good God, no.
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So we'll get to that here in a few, but he's a hero.
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Okay.
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He's a space hero.
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He should have opened with that.
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Well, he wanted soft introductions.
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You don't want to come out and be like, I am the most important person in all of space.
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Unless you're Mark Richards.
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Right.
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But he goes ahead and leads with that.
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Captain J, a little more modest, a little more humble, but now we get to how he liberated
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Mars.
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Whoa.
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All of Mars?
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During those years is key to everything, man.
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We finally managed to identify what these silver flying saucers were.
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So real quick, he liberated them from these solar flying saucers, these evil ones of legend.
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They were able to figure out what they are.
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He freed them.
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He freed Mars from them.
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Who was piloting them, where they were going, and what they were doing.
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Now just to keep it short, during those same years, another alien race, VIZ, one from outside
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of our solar system, showed up and made contact with us.
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This will be the Grays, or I guess you can call them the Grays.
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Well because of them showing up, we were able to finally go up to Mars as an organized,
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unarmed group of people and meet with all of the species on Mars and the two alien races,
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the silver saucer aliens, which I believe people are calling Pleiadians, which is probably
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completely wrong, and not from the Pleiades, and the Grays.
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So we really had this meeting set up by virtue of a second alien race showing up in our solar
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system and saying, this isn't right, you've had these powerful alien creatures here in
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their silver flying saucer for all these millennia, and they have been exploiting the Earth and
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exploiting Mars, and it's time for that to stop because these people down here on Earth
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are civilized, they have evolved science and arts, and so they were able to put a stop
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to a large degree to the activities of the silver flying saucers in the solar system,
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and in order to make that a reality, they assisted us in going up and meeting with both
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of the alien races and all of the species on Mars, you know, for three or four days,
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and just pretty much sort things out.
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On Mars, this was the greatest day, sort things out is what you did?
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You just sorted things?
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They're finally freed from the silver flying saucers, which are a powerful insect race,
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a powerful trisexual insect race that has been here since the beginning of our...
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That means they'll try anything, you know what I'm saying, Dan?
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They swing.
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That means they'll try anything.
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Sue!
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That was a lot of talking.
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I assume he means, like, there are more than two genders.
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Yes.
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Not...
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Yes.
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He means there's three.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And we'll get to those in a little bit.
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That's a tease of things to come.
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He does not explain that in the time being.
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But so what we learn here is that, you know, the Grays have facilitated this meeting of
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the minds of all of these races, including our own, with the Pleiadians, what we believe
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are Pleiadians.
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Which people call the Pleiadians, but they are not Pleiadians.
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Silver saucer, evil insect aliens that have been terrorizing the galaxy forever.
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Of course.
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So he is expressing...
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When did Ender's Game come out?
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I'm not sure.
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But he's expressing the exact opposite worldview that Carrie and all of her people subscribe
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to, which is that the Grays are evil reptilian minions that come around and kidnap people,
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and the Pleiadians are the bringers of truth who come down.
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Which...
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I'm starting to get a sense of why this guy's only been on once.
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Well, following my previous argument that if Mark Richards is evil, the people he allies
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with must be evil, meaning the people that he calls evil are in fact the good ones, and
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this guy is calling the people he calls good evil, and he's calling the people he calls
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evil good, I support Captain J.
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Well, I mean, he liberated Mars.
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He liberated Mars!
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By sorting it out.
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For three or four days.
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Who keeps track?
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What do you want him to bring back the minutes?
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Real light on the details of sorting it out.
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He didn't even bother with like treaty or anything like that.
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Nope.
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Just like, eh, we figured out what everybody wanted.
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We all got what we wanted.
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We all went home.
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We all had to go to the top.
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And let me say, when he finally does give a little more detail about it, it's even more
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hilariously absurd.
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So, you know, we have our take on this so far about him liberating Mars.
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Here's what Carrie thinks at this point of the interview.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So now I'm going to have to back up here and ask you about what you just talked about because
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it's a little bit convoluted and it's not clear.
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Yeah.
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It is a little convoluted.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So she wants him to get back to basics.
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She wants to talk about like, where did this, like, where did your awareness come from?
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She wants to go back to before he liberated Mars, because I think she realizes this is
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going to be, this is going to be an uphill battle.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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This one's going to be fine.
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Trying to sort this out might take us.
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Let's get a little more rapport.
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Talk to me about the beginnings.
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Let's start.
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Let's start.
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How did the centipede beings evolve on Mars, a notoriously inhospitable place?
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Please.
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That's just good response.
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Yeah.
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You have foolish.
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We now have rapport.
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You have foolish human science.
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Okay.
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So she wants to know a little bit about more of the backstory.
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And she asks him about that.
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And here.
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How do you know the Pleiadians are evil?
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Here.
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Well, I don't think he ever explains that.
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And he scoffs every time he calls them the Pleiadians because he's, he's insinuating
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without verbalizing it that it's a prank being played on people like Kerry.
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See that's offensive because a few years later we living in the present know that Kerry is
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a Pleiadian.
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Well, at least Eddie Page thinks that she is.
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So here is a little anecdote from earlier days for Captain Jay.
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And this ends, I blurt laughed at the end of this clip when I was listening back to
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it.
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I myself was up and the thing, I was very high in the atmosphere.
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And the thing pulled in within 50 yards of me and I managed to get a very clear view
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of the pilot, which is a very large insect life form.
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And I came down and debriefed and there's certainly no reason for me to lie.
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And they believed and suspected all along that we had insect life form or what we see
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as insects.
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All right.
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But in essence, so you're saying you were a pilot during that time?
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Absolutely not.
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I never learned to fly.
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I've been up in jets with other people piloting when I was a child, which is why I don't want
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to talk a lot about the emissions.
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It's very illegal.
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Some of the stuff that was done.
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So hold on.
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You saw.
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Okay.
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So yeah.
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You're a passenger.
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You're a passenger.
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Indeed.
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On one of these jets.
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Ask me anything you want to know, Dan, because I understand all of this perfectly.
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You saw being piloted by a giant insect being.
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Exactly.
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But you don't want to talk about it too much because you guys broke child labor laws.
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It's illegal for a child to work this hard in a space point.
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I love the idea that he's like, wow, hold on.
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That breaks.
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That breaks child labor laws.
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I want to talk about that weirdo.
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Why didn't they send up the the Olsen twins then you could get away with that shit if
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you got twins such as that makes your budget lower.
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It almost I mean, I don't.
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But it almost makes me believe him.
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The fact that he draws that kind of a weird line.
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You know, like, obviously, child labor laws aren't in play.
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You're making all this up.
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But the fact that you stop yourself because I don't want to talk about that because I
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was a child.
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It's illegal to make me work.
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See that I I'm I this guy is coming from a bad place of inaccurate information.
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Yeah.
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But I like where his ideals are going so far.
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One.
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Did he say he's fighting in a space battle?
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No.
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No.
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You just sorted shit out.
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Sorted shit out.
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Two.
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Are there are these people aliens?
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No, they're in our solar system.
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They're fucking neighbors.
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Be cool.
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Yep.
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Three.
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Should children have to work?
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No.
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Nope.
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There we go.
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I like this dude.
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You know what?
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It is interesting.
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This might be the craziest but most reasonable person who's ever been on budget.
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I can metaphorically stand behind what he is representing.
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Yeah, I know.
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Obviously, the idea that he went and sorted it out is like, no, we don't need laser guns.
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We don't need to fight.
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We don't need laser guns.
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We can just talk to each other.
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No.
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Amazing.
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We didn't need to do any recon.
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We just needed to find out that they were there.
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We went around once.
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We came back.
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We told everybody what was up.
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And then we went back and sorted it out.
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Sorted it out.
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Whatever that means.
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So Kerry seems to like, I mean, obviously, this guy has already said that he was Navy
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and the Marines and CIA.
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Yeah.
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And so Kerry wants to-
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And he made it all the way through the MK Ultra program.
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That is true.
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Well, he actually did his graduate degree at that time.
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Right.
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Summa Cum Laude from MK Ultra.
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So Kerry, having talked to Randy Cramer, knows that Randy Cramer has an imaginary military
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liaison.
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Yes.
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A sponsor who is there telling him this is okay for you to talk about.
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All that stuff.
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So she wants to know if Captain Jay has a similar situation.
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Well, in our pre-discussions, you mentioned, for example, that Randy Cramer, who came forward
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as Captain Kay, he has a person behind the scenes who, in a certain sense, was backing
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him who was a military officer.
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You told me that you had somebody behind the scenes like that as well.
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Is this correct or not?
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Lauren Michaels!
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Well, if you hear the people from my time, since I was a child in the program, most of
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the people from the 50s or early 60s are deceased.
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Real quick-
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That is a reasonable thing to say.
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This isn't the end of his answer, but I want to just say that what you just witnessed there,
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whenever someone asks you a direct question and your answer is, well, that usually means
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you're just making shit up.
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So when I heard that, I was like, mmm, that's a bad well.
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You know, we're just no longer available to talk.
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So the only... No, I don't have a personal sponsor.
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I would just say that the Navy and the CIA have records of these activities.
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What about the Marines?
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Everyone comes down to having to prove this to anybody, which I doubt will happen.
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Those records will be there, or if those organizations are approached, they will say, yeah, he was
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involved.
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Oh, yeah, that sounds like-
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That sounds-
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Man, this guy's an idealist.
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This guy is really believing good things.
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I like him.
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He's the last half full kind of guy.
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He's like, you know what, they would love to release this information, but nobody's
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asked.
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No one's asked.
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If there's anything we know about the military industrial complex, transparency is their
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business.
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Right.
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If anybody comes in and is like, hey, was Captain Jay involved in this?
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Like, fuck yeah, he was.
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You want to see some Mars?
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Wait, wait, wait, that Captain Jay, he's the one who sorted all that shit out on Mars for
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us.
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There's a statue of him up there.
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Oh, that dude's fucking great, man.
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So you should know that-
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Let's see what we did to him in the MK Ultra program.
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Holy shit.
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Captain Jay is not playing fast and loose here.
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There is proof that he did all this stuff.
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Well, I believe you.
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This is like, this clip makes me laugh so hard because he explains the proof and where
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you can find it.
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Any of the stuff that I say about Mars, I will be very careful only to impart information
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that I know there are records up there on Mars and other places that can be verified.
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Okay.
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All right.
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All right, buddy.
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I freed Mars, there's proof of it, which is on Mars.
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Everything you need to know, there are records.
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You only have to go to Mars to get them.
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I love that strategy.
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Totally awesome.
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It's the same strategy that a lot of these conspiracy theorists use about the idea of
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all the proof of everything that I'm saying is in a bunker deep under the Vatican.
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Just get into the secret, maybe existing Vatican bunker.
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The earth is flat and there are underground people.
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Don't worry about it.
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Go down there if you want to prove shit.
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I'm not here for that.
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It's the same thing with the Akashic records that people talk about.
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These records of all of humanity that only exist in the astral realm that you can access
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and stuff like that.
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Really?
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That's a bummer.
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I don't like weird stuff like that.
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I don't like that.
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It's fun though.
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It's fun to think about.
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It's not fun to base your life on or evidence.
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That's where it gets murdered.
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Yeah, that's bad.
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That's how you can kind of generally tell when someone's a con man, when they're like,
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I can prove everything.
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Just go to Mars.
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Yeah.
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It's not that easy.
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I mean, it's not that hard.
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I've been there a bunch of times.
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Oh, man.
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I wish that didn't work.
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Break into the Vatican, go deep underground, and there's all the proof you need.
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Now please buy my shirts or whatever.
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Did you hear that Trump just issued an executive order releasing all of the Mars documents
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to the public?
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Well, everyone knew that's what he was going to do.
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That's why the deep state hates him.
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It's fine.
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They're so scared of him.
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Jacob Wohl's been working on it with him all this time.
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That's why they smeared him today.
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That's why everyone was dunking on him on Twitter because they're afraid of the Mars
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documents coming out.
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Today is a day to remember both the good and the bad of the media.
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The good is they correctly sussed out this problem.
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The bad is they immediately reported with no research whatsoever that Trump was going
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to issue an executive order banning birthright citizenship, which if you report that like
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Trump says he'll sign an executive order banning birthright citizenship, just print like Trump
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signs executive order saying he can fly.
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You're not making any sense.
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That doesn't happen.
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Don't do it.
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It's weird to see both things on the same page.
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That's very strange.
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But it seems like a modern.
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Yeah.
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Like your your biggest fuck up and your biggest asset are simultaneously happening.
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Yeah.
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And that's fair.
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But you're bringing reality into this and this is no place for reality.
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Sorry, I apologize.
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We're in we're in the the the Forbidden Zone.
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Yeah.
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We're OK.
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We're learning about space and we do not need to bring good bullshit into this dude.
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We've got a lot of shit that needs sorting out here, huh?
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That conversations for Friday.
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We're in space.
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OK.
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So in this next clip, Captain J very clearly expresses that he does not think that the
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gray aliens are bad, which is already insinuated, but it gets much more in depth here.
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They're misunderstood.
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I was sleeping one night I woke up, I'm out into a field for no apparent reason and was
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drawn up maybe 100 feet or so into a car and there was a bunch of.
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Or humanoids seeming like different types in this path.
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And they just did for me that you folks from Earth are going up in the near future.
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Folks come and go with you and we're just going to sort out the whole issue.
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So I assume that the energy light creatures that we were seeing so many times were some
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form of probe or forward, you know, monitoring services, which you would know if you were
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in the Marines and set up this meeting on Mars in the 70s and that's OK, but you OK.
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So first of all, you're saying you're part of sort of a military cross agency, you know,
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intelligence agency effort, assuming you were trained by them.
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And now you're saying that the way you got to the meeting was through this interaction
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with the Grays that abducted you?
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I don't understand what your question is.
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They did not abduct anybody.
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They just came along, told us what was happening, took about 20 minutes.
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They just took me back down a few days later, a few weeks later, we got in our little ship
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and flew up there along with, I suppose, what we were referring to as Grays, which is just
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keep it simple.
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And of course, the Silver Saucer aliens were there and a very complex series of events
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went down.
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And I've spent six or eight hours just detailing what happened when we first got off the ship
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on Mars and started meeting with the locals, went underground, met, I guess you would say
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the mean, older insect-like worms there, had tour of Mars and a whole bunch of stuff happened.
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Too much to go into now.
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Sure.
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It was a long tour.
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By the so-called Grays, it was set up and made possible by them.
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We went up on our own ship, escorted by them.
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It just seemed like there was no trouble going anywhere or doing anything once these creatures
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were there to help us.
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I see.
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All right.
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So the Grays are good.
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They've come down and chosen Captain J for whatever reason and taken him up and been
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like, hey, we need you to come up and be there while we sort things out with these Silver
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Saucer aliens.
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I don't know what it was, but him describing-
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These trisexual aliens.
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Him describing his whole not an abduction experience as being like, no, they just took
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us up.
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They were like, you folks are going to help us out later.
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So check that out.
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It's very blasé.
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Took about 20 minutes.
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I don't know what the 20 minutes part is that makes it so funny.
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It took 20 minutes?
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That's either too little or too long.
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It's such a dismissive detail.
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It's specific, but at the same time, it's kind of like, yeah, no big deal, 20 minutes.
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It's like you're talking about a work meeting that like, it was kind of a nuisance.
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We had a quick 20 minute meeting.
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No big deal.
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Disrupted my sleep.
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10 years later, we sorted shit out.
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It's all good.
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Not sure why I needed to wake up for that.
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Could have got me during the day, but hey, you know, 20 minutes, no big deal.
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I came back down, went to bed.
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Everything was fine.
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20 minutes.
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Very weird.
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I love that detail.
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It's great.
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Just 20 minutes.
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It's great.
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So in this next clip, she wants to know, Carrie wants to know, has Captain J talked to Captain
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K?
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Oh, that's a good question.
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Have you been in touch with Randy Cramer about your testimony?
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Not personally, but I remember him or I remember the whole project and I remember him specifically
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because he was so unique and he was just the guy, he was the guy who threw down his gun
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and walked up to the ants, right?
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Just as, you know, he's the guy to talk out of that whole crew, if there is one.
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I don't think anybody selected him.
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I just think he more or less emerged.
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And to me that was the biggest relief I've had in the last 20, 30 years is finally here's
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somebody breaking the ice.
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Maybe I can tell what happened before that.
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So he's just using things from Randy Cramer's interview.
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I remember that.
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I remember him.
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Which is fun.
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I never met him, but I remember because I listened to the interview that he goes to.
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Legends told of this guy who threw down his gun and talked to the ant beings, but later
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in the interview he'll go on to talk about how like Randy Cramer was existing in this
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world that was like a simulated fighting thing that was going on that wasn't even real or
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something like that.
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Ooh, I like that angle.
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But also it doesn't make sense because it still has something to do with the silver
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craft beings, like the simulated fight zone still has something to do with the nefarious
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silver craft beings, but according to his story they had already sorted it out by then.
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No, no, no, no.
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That makes perfect sense.
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No, it doesn't.
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No, no, no.
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The reason they sorted it out is because they ran all these complex combat situations and
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they realized that this wasn't going to go well.
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So why even bother fighting whenever you know that the circumstance is going to wind up
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being, you just sort it out anyways, so you might as well just fucking sort it out.
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I'm giving you the nah because Randy Cramer's situation would have been 10 years after that
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still.
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Ah, but Randy Cramer went back in time.
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No, no, no.
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Still that was after this.
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Okay.
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Absolutely according to Captain J. It would have to have been after that.
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He makes that so clear over and over again.
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I came before.
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So if he sorted it out with all the nefarious beings, then why is there this need for this
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simulated fight zone?
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It makes no sense.
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As a Doctor Who fan, I will tell you that's timey-wimey business, Dan.
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It further makes no sense.
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The idea that they have worked it out and banished these silver craft beings from the
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universe that were meddling with the Earth and Mars, all the people who were doing all
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this really negative stuff, they sorted that out in the 70s, and there's been no substantive
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difference in the world from the 70s onward in terms of some massive change that everything
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is better now.
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You know?
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Oh yeah, no, everything got worse actually.
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Maybe we need those fucking silver beings back.
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Maybe Carrie's right.
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That could be it.
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Shit.
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Shit.
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Fuck.
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No matter where we go, we can never figure out where to land on the good evil alignments
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of these aliens.
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I mean, the way he's dealing with time though, it could have been the mid-50s, could have
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been the mid-60s.
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He could be wrong.
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Could be 1968.
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Could have been the convention.
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Could have been 1974.
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Could have been these...
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The DNC?
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On their way out, they killed everybody.
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All the reformers on Earth.
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That's possible.
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Maybe.
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That's possible.
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Or maybe those silver craft beings were the ones who were protecting Martin Luther King,
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RFK.
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No!
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They retreated.
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Those motherfucking silver beings, because of this asshole sorting shit out, now we got
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that dead Martin Luther King Jr.
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You never know.
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That's fucked up.
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I gotta say, you never know.
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Anyway, in this next clip, Carrie wants to know if Captain J has ever been to the moon.
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And his answer is cagey.
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What?
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Did you ever go to the moon?
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You can't be cagey about this.
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You know, I have trouble with that.
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I really do.
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Because I know that the moon is...
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Actually, I'd like not to talk about the moon at this point.
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Me too.
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What?
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What?
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History too.
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I don't clearly remember standing on it, but I remember the astronauts being up there
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and one of them going a bit nuts and saying, look at that, look at that, look at that.
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Well, you're seeing something.
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You saw the moon landing.
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He was seeing the moon while he was on the moon for the first time!
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That's of course you would go, look at that, look at that, you're on the fucking moon!
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Not proof of aliens at all.
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No!
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You're on the moon!
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Look at that!
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We're on the fucking moon!
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Do you know what would happen if I went to the moon, Dan?
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I'd say, look at that, look at that, look at that, because I'm on the fucking moon!
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You'd probably pass out.
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You'd be overtaken with wonderment.
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It would be so crazy.
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The idea of like, oh my god, look at that.
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That is not proof of aliens.
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That is proof of exactly what you're saying, like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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It's a moon.
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Yeah!
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It is kind of funny to listen to those recordings.
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Oh my god, oh my god, I'm the first person to stand on something that is not the Earth.
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Right, but listen to the recordings of Neil Armstrong and shit and you're like, that's
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what you have to say?
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You're not like, holy fucking shit, we're on the goddamn moon!
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Well, I think that's a lot of the training.
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Probably.
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I think a lot of the training was for like zero gravity type stuff, some of it was physical
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training, and then I'm sure days of it were like, chill out.
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Keep your cool.
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Actually, it's, look, you're on the moon.
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You're going to make NASA look bad.
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If you breathe super heavy, you're probably going to die.
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Also, we don't want that on the recording.
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If you turn your textbook to chapter four, the title of that chapter is, act like you've
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been there, because it will play better later.
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Actually, I disagree.
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I think one of the reasons so many people think the moon landing is staged is because
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if they had just acted like human beings and been like, what the fuck, we're on the moon,
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are you shitting me?
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Everybody would be like, yeah, yeah, no, that's how I would react.
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You got to also consider that it was in the 60s and the standards of decorum didn't allow
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that kind of expression, those outbursts.
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And those guys hadn't even graduated the MK Ultra program.
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No, but adults behaved in different ways back then.
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You wouldn't have like, you know, Stern.
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So in this next clip, Jordan, I think you might be getting the sense, this is one of
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my favorite clips.
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I can tell.
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Jordan, I can't set up this clip.
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I can tell.
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I'm trying really hard and all I need you to know is don't talk over this because it's
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going to take you on a journey.
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All right.
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All right.
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And then the second thing about it.
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So we're on a hero's journey now.
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I wouldn't call it heroic.
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But then the second thing about it is like, I have such a fundamental problem with the
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very idea of what he's expressing that I'll explain on the other side of this clip.
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All right.
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All right.
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So they're well aware that you cannot be exposed to the population up there, bang, it's too
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much.
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It has to happen in stages.
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So we first saw a human, a strange looking human, then we saw some incredible ancient
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artifacts that suggested things like giant apes and giant lizards and giant insects.
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Real quick, I just need to make clear because the last he was talking, he was saying that
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he didn't know if he'd ever stepped foot on the moon.
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We're back to Mars now.
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He's talking specifically about being on Mars.
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Just carving sand.
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We went to the edge of the crater, and it was a huge blast crater, but over a block
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across.
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And on the other side of the crater, which went down maybe 200 feet in the middle, were
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various life forms.
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Humans, apes, monkeys, big ones, humanoids, different types, ants, giant centipedes.
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Now you're seeing this at a distance, and it's like I've never seen anything like it
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in your life.
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A couple of people just had to just sit right down, hyperventilating, gasping for breath,
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right?
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The rest of us just stood there like, oh, boy, you know, that's indescribable.
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But that's step two of exposure that they know, you know, that if you just walked up
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to that right in your face, it would be too much.
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And in fact, the next step, we went back into a tunnel, and we ran into an Easter Island
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humanoid, maybe 10 or 11 feet tall.
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Totally different species.
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Very dark black, very sedate, just a great, pretty cool Easter Island guy with the head,
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just like the Easter Island part is.
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So now we have a new alien race to consider.
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Easter Island, people!
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Do you remember, do you remember the critic, how there was...
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Yes.
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Yes, I do.
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I do remember specifically, I do remember when they went to the UN school and there
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was the kid who had the Easter Island head.
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Yes, of course I remember that.
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I will never forget that.
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Those are real people.
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That's all I think about now.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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You went to Mars.
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But they're supposed to be like that, like the Easter Island carvings are actually giant.
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They go deep underground.
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Yeah, you go deep underground and they're like actual giant carvings.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So you're just saying that those giant carvings were just like folk.
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I guess so, yes.
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I mean, this is a fun way to incorporate that piece of sort of, I don't know, what do you
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call it?
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Weirdo world?
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So what I don't...
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There's an obsession with Easter Island, which is understandable because it's a nice, fun
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mystery.
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It's unexplainable, yeah.
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It's not totally unexplainable, but it is a piece of that.
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So it's interesting to see him be the one who brings that in, like, we're up on Mars.
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Yeah, I met some Easter Island head aliens.
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Here's my question, though.
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Why is it that step three is Easter Island folk?
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I'm not sure if that was even one of the steps.
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No, no, no.
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I wrote down the steps.
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Step two was on the other side of the crater, there were apes, there were monkeys, big ones.
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The first step is the insinuation.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We had, there were strange human artifacts, there were giant humans, there were humanoids.
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Then you saw giant ants and then giant centipedes.
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Why is it that the next step is Easter Island folk and not, wouldn't the next step be the
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centipede step?
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I would be fine with giant Easter Island people.
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I'd look at that and I'd be like, holy shit, that's crazy.
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But a giant centipede?
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Fuck that.
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It would throw me for a loop to see the Easter Island guy.
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Is that what it would do?
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But centipede is further.
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It's further.
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Centipede is further, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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I think you got the steps wrong.
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See, when I heard that clip...
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He's misremembering.
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He's misremembering that clip and I might be wrong on this, but I thought that like
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this meeting the Easter Island guy wasn't a step, it was incidental.
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I thought it was...
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He thought it was an incidental.
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I thought it was something that like we did these first two steps and then we wandered
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through this tunnel and we found an Easter Island man.
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That's kind of what I thought.
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So we were walking through the tunnel and then I like, I felt something bump against
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my shoulder and I was like, hey, sorry.
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And then it turned out to be a 20 foot tall Easter Island man.
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I thought that might be what he was saying, I'm not entirely sure, but here's my problem
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with the whole thing.
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What's your problem with the whole thing?
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So the idea that like when you go to Mars, you have to be slowly acclimated to alien
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existence or else you're going to freak out.
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Yeah.
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He had been taken into a ship by the Grays already at that point.
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He'd been flying around in a ship when he was a child and saw...
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Yeah, but it was only 20 minutes.
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But he saw a giant...
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It was only 20 minutes.
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He was flying around in a ship as a child and he saw a giant insect flying a jet.
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Yeah, but nothing prepares you for a giant Easter Island man.
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Strongly disagree.
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He was acclimated from the jump.
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There's literally no reason for them to play this game of like, oh, dip your toe in, the
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water's fine.
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Also, he doesn't even give a timetable for this.
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He kind of sounds like this whole thing is taking a couple hours.
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Like they're walking and they're like, hey, check out these artifacts.
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No, it takes about 20 minutes.
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Everything takes about 20 minutes.
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Yeah.
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And it's somewhere between 1950 and 110.
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So I told you that he's liberated Mars.
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Yes.
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He sorted it out.
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Yeah.
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Captain Jay sorted out liberating Mars.
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Yes.
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Because they were being, I guess, terrorized by these silver saucer aliens that were out
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and about.
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That sounds good.
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Up to this point, I would say that both of those issues have been pretty...
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It's opaque.
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You can't see through the glass.
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We see through a glass darkly, Dan, and only the Lord.
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Well...
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Et cetera.
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However you want to go with that.
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In that case, this next clip is the work of the Lord because it helps us see about both
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Liberation Day on Mars and who these silver craft aliens are.
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Now I'd like to know, when you say this is Liberation Day, what do you mean exactly?
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Silver saucers leaving our system, their fun has been spoiled by the Grays and their other
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humanoid Graces that have come here and said, no, these Earth people are civilized.
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We've been exploiting them for thousands of years, pretty much having their way with this
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planet.
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We didn't land on Plymouth, Mars.
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Plymouth, Mars landed on us.
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We'll talk about that later.
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The cataclysm was caused by them.
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Mars was a beautiful planet, much like Earth.
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It died.
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It took a harder hit than we did after us.
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It was covered with beautiful celery seeds.
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The housing crisis was a big problem.
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And it just was a real gem and they nearly destroyed it too.
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Okay.
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In short, our planet destroyers.
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All right.
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So, but you're calling them silver saucers, but the beings driving those saucers you said
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were ants.
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Is that correct?
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Incorrect.
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They are trisexual, unique, ancient Grays from somewhere back towards Gallatin Galactic
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Central where there is one hell of a lot of radiation and a lot of gravity.
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They are incredibly powerful.
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They are trisexual and each creature is different.
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They have a giant wasp, what you could call a giant water bear would be the male, and
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the third member of the highly telepathic trisexual union is a giant serpent.
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It's like a snake-like creature, 30 to 40 feet long, but they're all warm-blooded, highly,
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highly evolved, have a millionaire history, and they're the only creatures that had a
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powerful flying saucer with high-powered weapons.
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I don't understand.
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What do they fly it with?
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For many thousands of years.
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Do they have opposable thumbs?
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No, they fly with their minds probably.
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So it's a trisexual group of warm-blooded snakes, wasps, and water bears.
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So is being warm-blooded like...
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Water bears are like those mites.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, I know.
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Those little microscopic...
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So, yeah.
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I love the idea of an actual scientist talking like...
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To him?
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No, no, no.
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Oh.
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I mean, anytime you hear somebody with that thick Southern accent, you're never not going
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to just lower your estimation of their intelligence.
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Which is bigoted.
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Implicitly.
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That's biased.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Absolutely biased.
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But at the same time, if you heard Einstein just being like, yeah, man, there's a shit
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ton of relativity going on there.
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It's down in that galactic center.
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Hell if I know.
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Matter is basically energy.
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Boy, howdy.
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I'll tell you what.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm like, okay, your math is good, but you gotta not talk like that.
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So rude.
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That's what you're getting from this?
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There's a whole hell of a lot of radiation in that galactic center.
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Well, you better believe there is.
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I tell you what, there's so much radiation down there.
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I'm sorry.
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I stopped listening.
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See, that's the thing.
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I stop listening whenever you say something stupid like...
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There's a whole group of radiation down at galactic central.
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It's back in galactic central where there's a whole hell of a lot of radiation.
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But that's probably true.
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Like okay, foghorn, leghorn, don't even start with snake beings or whatever it is.
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Listen.
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No, no, no.
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They're trisexual.
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I don't disagree with him.
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There is a whole hell of a lot of radiation in the galactic center.
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Wherever that may be.
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But, well, there's a supermassive black hole.
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That's not what he's talking about.
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He's talking about galactic central as being like home base.
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Oh, he's talking about that.
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I thought he meant...
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I thought he meant the center of the galaxy.
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I think that is an interpretation.
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Okay.
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I apologize.
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I apologize.
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I don't know.
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I don't know that to be the case.
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I'm just going on context clues.
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I think he's talking about it as home base.
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There's a home base?
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That's the vibe I got.
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Why do they have so much radiation?
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Because there's radiation everywhere.
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Yeah, but they've got a whole hell of a lot of it, Dan.
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Sure.
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There's a lot of...
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In different parts of the galaxy, there are varying rates of radiation.
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So wherever...
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On that we can agree.
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What he's talking about is the place they come from, there's a lot more of it than is
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normal.
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Yeah.
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And they are a trisexual race.
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Again, that's really not what he's trying to say, I don't think.
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No.
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Also...
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Yeah.
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I don't...
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I want to just try and explain what he's talking about.
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So he defines the females as the wasps.
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Okay.
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The males as the water bears.
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Right.
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And then the third gender, which he doesn't really explain or detail at all as being the
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40-foot snakes.
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Yeah.
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They're the telepathic snakes.
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Yeah.
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I don't understand what you have trouble with here.
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I don't understand how procreation works.
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I don't...
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Well, they have three genders.
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Right.
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Right.
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So the females are the wasps, the males are the water bears, and then the third gender
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is the snakes.
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Doesn't answer my question.
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I don't understand where your question goes.
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Doesn't answer the question in any way.
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Certainly.
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Not at all relevant to this.
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I just explained it.
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I just explained it.
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Certainly not.
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So they've got three genders.
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Right.
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You can just keep repeating if you want.
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I don't understand how a wasp and a water bear mate.
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I don't understand the role of the snake.
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I don't understand.
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I don't know.
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Okay.
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Here we go.
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I don't understand based on our conception of genders, I guess.
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You're living in a non-binary gender world, Dan.
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And what you need to be living in is a trisexual gender world where there are water bears and
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wasps and snakes.
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Listen, I'm cool.
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That's...
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You know?
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I am cool.
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I am above the dichotomy of genders.
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No, this is...
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I'm not above it, but I understand it.
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I'm very open-minded.
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You are so bigoted.
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I'm very open-minded.
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I mean, what are you going to say next?
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How do dudes have sex, do they just push their dicks together?
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Dan, this is so offensive.
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That's certainly not where I'm coming from.
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This is so offensive, Dan.
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I'm coming from a place of these are analogs of different species on Earth.
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Right.
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I don't get how a wasp mates with a water bear.
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What is their offspring?
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Is it either a wasp or a water bear?
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Or a snake!
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I don't know!
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How is that possible?
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If a wasp and a water bear mate and a snake comes out, don't get that.
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Now, let me ask you a question.
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Here's what you're not...
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This is the problem with this whole situation, right?
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Kerry doesn't know enough.
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Why are you thinking and assuming that they mate when they're in their fully adult forms?
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That's a great question.
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See?
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Yeah.
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Look, at a younger larval stage, maybe they mate, they cross-pollinate, and then as they
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grow, they become either a wasp or a water bear or a snake!
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I don't think that those three things could come from the same larva.
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It's like when you're starting out in Skyrim, right?
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You know how you can draw the face and you can kind of choose the features?
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You got three options.
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There you go.
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Everybody starts out like in Skyrim on this planet.
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Okay.
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The mating for this alien silver saucer race is basically like starting a video game.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Okay.
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It's a character.
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Glad we found something reasonable to land on as opposed to complete bizarre nonsense.
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And the reason why this sticks in my craw like this is that these aren't gender expressions.
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In the same way as like, you know, across the spectrum of gender expression and identity
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that humans experience.
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We're all still humans.
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With this, there's wasps, water bears, and snakes, which are all, one of them's an insect,
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one of them is a microorganism, and the other is a reptile.
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Those are very different species.
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Now here's the actual, you understand why it's not, it's very different for me.
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No, I get that.
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But in the world of sci-fi, that actually makes way more sense.
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Please walk me through this, Asimov.
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The reason being, the reason being is that when we discuss aliens, every bias we have
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towards aliens is, well, if we ever get in contact with aliens, they're going to be essentially
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us but different.
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We can't genuinely conceive of something that is actually alien because it's so far outside
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of our experience.
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Right.
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It makes more sense for them to be water bears, wasps, and snakes out in the middle of fucking
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space bullshit than it does for them to just be like two dudes who look like us but they're
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a little bit wacky.
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Which is what Carrie likes.
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Yeah, exactly.
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She likes the Pleiadians who are, you know, like humanoid beings.
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Which, again, is a lack of imagination on so many of these con men's parts.
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I will never not go back to the example of L. Ron Hubbard being like, super intelligent
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space beings flew B-52 bombers, you know?
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There's a lack of imagination that this guy, who I am starting to love, Dan, is capable
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of reaching that they're not.
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All right, fair enough.
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I still think it's ludicrous.
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It is absolutely ludicrous and I hate it but come on, man, this is good stuff.
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So in this next clip, we talk about the nature of Liberation Day, you know, so he frees Mars
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by going up and sorting things out.
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Most of the time, whenever we have these people who come on Carrie's show, they talk about
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space battles and there's stolen space valor going on all over the place.
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And what's super interesting about Captain Jay's narrative is, as we've already sort
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of talked about, there's no fighting involved.
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No.
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He's a space pacifist.
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He's a space-a-fist.
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There's not even really an exertion of force.
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There's no threats or anything like that.
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And listen to the language.
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Just good people working shit out, man.
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Listen to the language that he uses in this next clip.
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Before we go any further, let me give you this, all right?
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Here we go.
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The water bear, wasp, snake, triumvirate, trisexual wasp, they evolved separately on
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a planet where there were millions of different species.
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And as time went on, all of these species began going through this process of extinction.
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And only these three species recognized that they needed to survive.
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And because of the way that they were reproducing didn't make any sense, they decided to come
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together.
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They created a genetic recombinator.
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And then every time they want to reproduce, what they all do is put a little bit of their
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own DNA into the genetic recombinator.
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And whatever comes out, comes out.
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Problem solved.
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Fine.
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Done.
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In this next clip.
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Sorry, you hit my sci-fi nerd boner.
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In the next clip, we find out about what happened on Liberation Day.
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Yes.
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And it's disappointing.
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Oh.
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Can you tell me, you said that they were made to leave.
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How were they made to leave by our, are you talking about our military?
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Are you talking about our military working with other races?
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How were they persuaded to leave?
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Our military had nothing to do with it, ever.
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The Greys came here, the, I hate to say Pleiadians, the saucer aliens are not something you could
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destroy.
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They are too powerful.
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All you can do is- I thought they were matter.
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They are highly intelligent, estimated IQ at 500, psionic power far beyond any of the
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other insect races.
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They can control the ants and the centipedes and anything else, any insect life form, absolutely
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and utterly, and did so on the Earth and on Mars and in the solar system.
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So the Greys, so to speak, or this whatever, how many different humanoid types there were,
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could not destroy them, but they could sure spoil their fun, you know?
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And make it just, no, it can't be on the Earth anymore.
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We can fly around with you, we can stop you from doing this, we can stop you from taking
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human beings.
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And once that happens, they're no longer interested.
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They are combative and gladiatorial, you know, to a high degree, and they will not stay somewhere
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where they can't have absolute dominion.
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So the last we saw of them, and it ended up, there was, I believe, 30 saucers in total
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in this solar system.
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They're big saucers.
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Originally, in ancient times, there was only one.
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The last we saw of them, they were headed for the Pleiades after gathering up some fuel
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and so forth.
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They headed for the Pleiades because they didn't want to stay here if they couldn't
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have a planet, effectively a wild planet, where they could dominate all the life forms
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all to themselves.
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But by your own admission regarding them, they could.
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Yeah, yeah, there's a real fundamental issue here with, like, they are overpowered to an
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excessive degree.
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They can control, psionically, all of these other alien races.
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Yeah, they can do anything and everything they want.
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They were the only race in our solar system with weaponized ships.
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But you just go up there and have a little chat and say, you've spoiled their fun.
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You can't be doing this.
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You can't conquer them, but you can spoil their fun.
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He keeps saying, spoil their fun.
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You can't spoil their fun.
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I'm like, I don't get it.
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What do you talk, you scold them and they leave?
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Yeah.
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What kind of universe do we live in?
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Hey, get out of here.
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All right.
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Legitimately.
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You got us.
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What?
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You can't do that with humans.
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How are you going to do that with silver craft aliens?
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Man, what is an estimated IQ of 500 mean?
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I don't think it means anything.
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I don't think it means anything.
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It means that they're very white.
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See, now that's a failure of imagination.
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That's a failure of imagination.
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No, because I mean, IQ tests...
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Well, those tests are actually biased towards the grays.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, no, towards white people.
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They're, you know, IQ tests have a implicit cultural bias.
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So the idea that someone has a 500 IQ just means that they are super white.
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They're the whitest thing that's ever existed.
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What is the maximum IQ, isn't it?
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I mean, like...
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I don't know.
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Who gives a shit?
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The point being, that's a failure of imagination.
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It's an artificial standard of intelligence, first of all.
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Yep.
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And then second of all, in terms of like the actual scale, it doesn't go above like 200,
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right?
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No, I think it does.
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Don't people just talk about like the greatest genius as being like 170 something or something?
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The problem there is...
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But getting a Mensa, you have to be over 120 or something?
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Mensa's actually a scam.
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You should read up on it.
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Well, look...
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Still...
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So the point being...
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Scam or not, it has their standard.
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Who tested them?
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Oh, that's true.
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That's a good question.
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Probably never going to find the answer to that one.
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No, we're probably never going to figure that one out.
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Nope.
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Just...
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It was actually...
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Actually, that was what spoiled their fun.
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Could be.
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They took the test and they're like, oh, we're going to have to take tests all the time now?
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Christ!
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We're going to go to the Pleiades.
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We're gladiators who just want to dominate.
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We don't want to take tests.
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Going to another galaxy.
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It also makes them seem like they just like pranks.
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It doesn't...
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It does seem like...
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When you use the language of, like, their fun was spoiled, it really doesn't make it
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seem like they're eating people or anything like that.
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It just seems like they're maybe putting banana peels around for people to fall over on.
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Then again, if you are that super powered, it does kind of make sense that you would
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get bored to the point where you're just like, eh, let's fuck around with these people for
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a while.
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Like, what other explanation is there for the shit that people ascribe to God?
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Like, he's an overpowered being, he just, yeah, he does whatever he wants and he gets
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bored.
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Everybody gets bored.
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God pranks.
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Perhaps...
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Hurricanes are just God's pranks, Dan.
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So Captain Jay goes to Mars and he goes through the acclamation process where he sees...
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Easter Island folk.
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Sure.
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That's a part of it.
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And he goes deep underground and he finds some ants.
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And these ants have a certain way of communicating with him that involves a helmet and is very
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bizarre.
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Right, right.
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So when did Ender's Game come out, Dan?
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This is incredibly bizarre.
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Because it was before this.
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I'm sure.
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That said, the way he explains this is so bizarre and I love on one level, but also
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think he's not answering any questions on another level.
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I'll talk briefly about telepathy or the psionic ability.
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Then we're going to take it down right away into some rooms and say, look, we're going
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to give you the history of Mars and of Earth and of this solar system and all the information
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that we have so that you'll know what you're dealing with here.
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Right?
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These creatures are leaving.
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We want you to show you what's been going on for the last 10,000 years.
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And so the first serious psionic communication that I had was, this wasn't done by the ants
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themselves, which are just a bit too strong to be in their direct presence and do things
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with them when you've only been there a half an hour.
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You know what I mean?
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So we take them by human means.
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I don't know what you mean.
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And you put on a helmet.
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Okay, now this attaches to their stored telepathic psionic memories and they have records going
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back to the beginning.
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And that's why I'm not afraid to come up with any of this information at all because, you
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know, put the fucking helmet on for yourself, huh?
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So the first thing I was showing, I put on this helmet and they said, okay, you're going
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back and you're going to do 15 years, you know, the press of the life of Jeeveson, I
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believe.
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That was the name that, as I understood it, a human being on the earth immediately after
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the great cataclysm, which almost destroyed the earth.
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This will take just over an hour and you will get 15 years.
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Now you don't obviously get the whole 15 years.
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You get significant events and then it blends into the next one and then you're ahead two
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years and another year and it's sort of beautifully done melding together 15 years of this man's
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life on just post cataclysm earth and in these telepathic psionic memories, you are the character.
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It's so good that you are actually looking out through the eyes of the character.
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This to me seems like something like a melding of that Albert Brooks movie, Defending Your
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Life.
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Oh yeah, that's a great one.
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That H.P.
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Lovecraft story, Shadow Out of Time.
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Right.
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You get the Matrix's little like throw kung fu in your brain in two seconds, like that
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whole thing too.
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Is he smacking his lips the entire time?
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That's really throwing me off.
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It's distracting.
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It's really bumming me out.
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I don't like a guy who smacks his lips.
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You've turned on him.
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Oh no, I'm against him.
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The idea of this is like, okay, so these ants, they have this technology where you put the
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helmet on and then you get to see everything that they want to tell you.
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The helmet's specifically designed for a human head despite the fact that up until now they
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have never needed a...
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I mean, humanoid heads are probably pretty similar.
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You know, you've got to assume that there's other races with similar craniums.
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Oh, so it's like a baseball cap that can like expand or, you know, they've got the snaps
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in there.
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Or, yeah, yeah, or it's like some sort of flex fiber, you know, who knows.
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Yeah, okay, that works.
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So that part is case closed on that one.
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That one.
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You figured that one out.
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Okay, good.
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How dare you bring that petty squat over the table.
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I apologize.
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I just wanted...
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I was just interested.
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So you put on this flexi helmet and then you get to see all this history that they want
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to show you.
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Now, the problem that I have is that he only saw 15 years of one person's memories and
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not all of them, just major events that blurred together.
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Right.
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He was even kind of shitting on their technology.
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A little bit.
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Yeah.
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But then also the idea that it was after the cataclysm on Earth and he never specifies
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what that means.
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Which one?
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There were a bunch.
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Right.
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Right.
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There were a bunch of cataclysms on Earth.
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The only thing that I would guess it means, and I'm only guessing because he never spells
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this out, is that it's anti-silver saucer alien propaganda to some extent.
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Okay.
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I buy that.
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I'm trying to say that Noah's flood or whatever was caused by these aliens.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And so he gets to put this helmet on and then he experiences the life of someone who died
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in that flood.
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Right.
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But he sees the aliens who caused it or something like that.
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I don't fucking know.
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I'm stretching real hard.
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No, I'm really not following him at all on this one.
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No.
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I've been gung-ho this whole while, but this one, I'm going to have to say, this doesn't
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make any sense, Dan.
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Also, I want more than 15 years history.
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I want more than one person's perspective.
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If we're imagining...
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And I definitely don't want one person's perspective over 15 years, but actually it's like a few
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moments melded together.
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Fuck off.
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If we're just spit balling and imagining alien technology, why not have the Matrix version
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where it's like, I know kung fu.
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Yeah.
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Why not?
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Why does it have to take an hour for you to get 15 years?
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How lame is this?
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He did say it took about an hour, didn't he?
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Yeah.
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What?
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Why?
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How lame is this?
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It's psionic.
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It should be.
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It should be as fast as the brain functions.
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You would think.
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Oh, man.
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You would think.
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This is like the...
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This is a guy with an imagination that has a governor.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, no, no.
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It's stopping him from going full speed, but he's running, but he just can't run fast enough.
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No, the thing about science fiction is you can't break your own rules.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like when you're writing a science fiction, sure, you've got faster than light travel
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or whatever, but that has to be like a rule.
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And if you break that, then you're fucking around.
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You know, whatever rules you establish in your fake science fiction universe are fine
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as long as you adhere to those the same way that we're supposed to believe in you.
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So thumbs down, thumbs down to this guy, Dan.
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Captain J?
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You've been on a roller coaster with Captain J. You loved him and now you dislike him.
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Dude, I don't know.
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We'll see how this goes.
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I will say that Kerry is on board with you in disliking him, and part of it is because
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he is portraying these silver saucer evil aliens as these supposed Pleiadians.
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And in this next clip, he says some disparaging things about the Pleiadians that Kerry cannot
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be happy about.
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The ants and the other creatures can psionically communicate with you if they're in the room
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with you or can see you, but they can't go into great fantastic detail and show you long
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involved stories.
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Why not?
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You have to put on a helmet to do that.
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However, the silver saucer so-called Pleiadian races, if you're anywhere near them, they
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can just take your mind over and just be standing there going, oh, I'm somewhere else now.
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And then suddenly you're back, and you're like, gee, did we just go there, and they
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say, no, no, I just showed you that.
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So the supposed Pleiadians, these silver saucer aliens, have much more powerful psionic abilities
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that can transport you places without the flex fiber helmet that we now have a trademark
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on, by the way.
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We have a patent.
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Do we have a patent?
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You and me?
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Yeah, we do.
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We've discussed it.
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We have a fucking patent.
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Okay.
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We mailed the idea to ourselves.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So yeah, and then he scoffs when he says Pleiadians.
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That is amazing.
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Like that's like, you've got to imagine Carrie is stewing.
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She's just sitting there like, fuck you, you asshole.
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Mark fucking Richards told me all this shit.
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It's not even just Mark in terms of the Pleiadians.
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Oh, yeah.
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Mark has most of the, like he claims most of the space vis-a-vis raptors, but in terms
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of Pleiadians, they're like all of the channeled materials that you get from all of these weird
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o's that have been going on for years and years, even before Carrie came on the scene.
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A lot of them were about the Pleiadians, the light bringers, like there is this mythology
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around the Pleiadians that they're the ones who have come to give us freedom and invite
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us into the order of species in the universe.
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But why?
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Is that just from the Greek?
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What do you mean?
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I don't know.
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Isn't Pleiades Greek?
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I don't fucking know.
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Is there some sort of connection there?
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Why do people center on that one as being their bringers of light?
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I think because traditionally they are Nordic alien beings.
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If I had to guess just cutting through the bullshit, it would be good.
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You're going to go with a version of Manifest Destiny.
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Or space racism, spacism.
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There is a version of it.
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They are the most similar to white people and therefore have always been cast in the
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role of... God, racists already took over space before
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we even got there, man.
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I mean way long ago.
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That's a bummer.
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So unsurprising at the end of the day.
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Of course space is racist.
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But all of these people, if we cut through the bullshit and talking about the science
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fiction writing aspect of this, and we actually just deal with this as adults and humans,
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these people are just telling stories with a cast of characters that are extravagant
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in some ways and fanciful in others and all, not all, because Captain J is kind of an anomaly
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in this, which is one of the reasons why this is super interesting.
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Yeah.
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No, no, no.
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I'm enjoying it.
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I would say 90 to 95% of the alien stuff that you end up seeing online casts Pleiadians
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as our mentors in the universe.
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And they are always described as Nordic, maybe taller than us, angelic white beings.
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And it makes total sense because all of the people who are perpetuating these stories
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are-
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Do they have something in common?
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... boring ass white people.
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Oh, no.
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Dan, what?
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Slightly creative, but not creative enough to write something good.
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To not be racist, yeah.
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Well, no, because Lovecraft was racist, but he was fucking talented and shit, and that's
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why he was able to write the stuff he wrote.
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Fair.
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It's not that racism is an inhibition on your creativity.
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It's just these people, generally speaking, are not good.
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Yeah.
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They're not good at this.
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Yeah.
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It's the same thing you were talking about earlier, the idea of this is where you limit
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your creativity.
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Yeah.
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And they get to a point and can't go further, and they accept the conventions of the medium
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that they're in, which is space lies, and-
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And they allow their personal biases to appear in ways that they otherwise couldn't express
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them publicly.
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Probably.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Jordan, Carrie.
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Yes.
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Cassidy.
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What about her?
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One of her big things is about the military.
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She always is obsessed with the idea of ranks, the idea that people are in these military
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organizations, because the secret space program is a part of the military.
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You know?
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Right.
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It's part of the services.
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It's a secret space part of the military.
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Exactly.
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But it is there.
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Yes.
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There's dark budgets and what have you.
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Of course.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's so inessential-
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Why do you think your Medicare D benefits went down?
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Every single person that she has who are real important people in her world are military
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people.
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Yes.
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You have Randy Kramer.
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He's still militaried up.
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He has a liaison sponsor in the military.
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And Mark Richards is so deep military that he's doing this 30-year bid to life in prison
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because he's still a part of it.
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Everything has to be considered within the worldview of chain of command.
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That's a really good point that begs the question.
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That's why all of these people steal valor.
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Right, right, of course.
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But does she have a personal connection to the military?
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Was she a military brat?
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Why is it that she's so deferential to this kind of hardcore fascist militaristic ideal?
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It's interesting.
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I don't know enough about her family of origin.
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I generally spend my actual deep research time on more productive topics.
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I don't understand.
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I don't know.
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What could be more productive?
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I would say that she probably has a very strong appreciation of authority while also being
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pretend anti-authority.
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The pretend part is the, I believe in space and I'm talking to aliens and I have dreams
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of the future.
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That's the imaginary anti-authority aspect.
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And then it all lives within the world of, well, I only really believe people who pretend
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to be part of the military.
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So I don't know.
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It's tough to say where it comes from and I don't want to break the Goldwater rule by
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psychoanalyzing her.
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But she wants a fascist dominator.
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She just doesn't want the fascist dominator we have at any given point in time.
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Perhaps.
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But it's a strong through line of all of these whistleblowers that she has that they all
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pretend that they were deeply involved in.
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X, Y, or Z organization.
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And hey, whatever records that organization may have, which they're never going to give
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anyway.
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They're actually on Mars.
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But even if they, yeah, they're on Mars or they're like deep, deep secret records that
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you're never going to get ahold of.
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But trust me, I probably am the most important person in the world.
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The most.
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Me and my dad, the Dutchman, we saved the world over and over and over again.
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Has she ever had anybody on who claims they're like a general?
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No.
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Like the highest.
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Who's always had somebody who's like no one who's been like an infantryman or a private.
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Yeah.
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Well, of course you don't, you don't, you don't fuck around with noncommissioned officers,
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Dan.
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That's just, that just makes perfect sense.
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That goes all the way back to our West Point days.
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Well, listen, all of this is just to serve as an introduction to this next clip where
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it really seems like Captain J had nothing to do with the military.
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Like he's not even expressing that like this trip to Mars where he quote sorted things
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out.
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That had nothing to do with the military.
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That was just the Grays coming and picking him up and being like, you are the person
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we need.
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It took about 20 minutes.
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Did you have a commanding officer?
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Absolutely not.
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We had no command chain whatsoever.
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We had no radio contact with anyone other than our pilot who was just stunned and amazed
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and numb as we were.
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I didn't know what he was even seeing on the ground, these huge creatures following us
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around and stuff with it and uh, no, we were just to come back and debrief and I was going
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to do the, I guess the talking.
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You, Sue, he's a space diplomat, he's the negotiator that the Grays have chosen to take
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up a, there's no chain of command, he has no one he's answering to, who are the other
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people on this fucking ship?
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It makes absolutely no sense for Carrie's worldview because the secret space program
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is so compartmentalized and it's all the government doing all these black operations and shit
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like that.
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And no, now she has this guy on who's like, nah, I liberated Mars and I did it basically
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solo.
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Like we didn't have any military chain.
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Now I am back on board with his Grays because they realize that if you wanted to go with
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somebody who is built into the political machine, you're going to wind up having to go through
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all this red tape and you're going to get a lot of people who are out of bad faith.
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So you grab this guy who you know has a good fucking heart, which is all you need to sort
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things out on Mars, Dan.
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You got to sort it out.
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You got to sort them out.
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I don't, I like, what I like about this is that you have someone who is so different
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than all of her other guests.
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Oh yeah, no, this is wild for her.
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It's such a curve ball and she hates it.
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Oh, absolutely.
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Like she's called him ludicrous already.
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This is absurd.
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This is convoluted.
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Like she is not having a good time with this because he's presenting like, this is my personal
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experience, which is just as valid as any of your other fucking experience.
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And I will tell you that the Grays are pretty cool.
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They came down and got me and I liberated Mars and it had nothing to do with the military.
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We didn't have any chain of command.
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There was no one telling me what to do at all.
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I went down there, they acclimated me.
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I found a Easter Island head alien.
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You heard of those, Kerry?
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They're crazy.
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They're great.
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They're pretty cool.
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She does not like a civilian led government.
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No, she doesn't like it.
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She is not like, she doesn't like someone who doesn't have a clear hierarchy on their
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own was chosen by the aliens to come and negotiate peace in the universe, dude.
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But this guy crushed it.
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Not all of her other guests have only fomented more pain and terror is the first guy who's
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like, yeah, man, I don't need to, I fuck, I'm a rogue Democrat diplomat flying around
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the universe.
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Just sorting shit out.
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Look what space, yes, we're there.
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Kerry is not enjoying this interview as, as we've clearly seen.
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And so towards this point, uh, she's kind of trying to dismount and she's like, look,
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I don't want to interrupt you, but like I have somewhere else I gotta be.
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Who does that really an hour in this, this whole interview is only about an hour, which
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is short for some of her, she's got somewhere else to be, she's like, I have other things
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that need to do.
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Um, and she keeps interrupting him and he keeps talking.
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He, I will say is one of the people who is the most, um, uh, loquacious of her guests.
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Like he just will do 10 minute long.
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Uh, well, I went to Mars and saw Mars water bear mating with the wasp and a giant snake.
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It was amazing.
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And I went over and I saw these stairs.
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These stairs were amazing because they don't construct things on Mars.
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They just cut them out of the ground and I saw the stairs.
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He talks about stairs for a very long time.
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He talks about stairs for a long time.
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So Carrie has to keep interrupting him when she wants to end the show.
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She's just like, I don't want to interrupt you, but I got somewhere else.
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I got to be dismount, but she does end up taking a couple of questions from the audience.
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Oh yeah.
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I'm sorry to interrupt you here.
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Uh, we, as I say, our time is limited, but I do have a very small audience here and I
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do see that we've got a couple of questions in the chat.
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Um, one person wants to know if you're a hundred percent human.
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Oh, okay, cool.
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Yeah.
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He's a hundred percent.
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Cool.
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All right.
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Good.
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Nice.
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Check that one off.
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All right.
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Check that one off as a boring question from the audience.
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Cool.
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He's just a dude.
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So then we get another question.
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Okay.
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And another person wants to know why you're wearing sunglasses.
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No reason.
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No reason.
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I just think it looks more like a, uh, a space captain, you know, boo, boo on that rationale.
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Boo.
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Look, I just think it looks like a space captain.
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I won't argue based on movies, I don't know.
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He's actually way too far away from the camera going on here.
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He has like a webcam set up that is a good, like 10 feet away from him.
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Yeah.
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So is there a unhung painting in the background?
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It's not a rapid forward situation, but it's not a good, I can't tell the brand of these
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glasses, but yeah, he's wearing sunglasses.
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Who cares, man?
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I look more space pilot-y I, I find that so refreshing.
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Yeah.
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He loved that.
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He does not build any backstory to it at all.
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I just want to look the part, dude, I'm captain Jay.
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Why not wear some fucking sunglasses?
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Right?
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That's what you think a space pilot looks like.
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So I might as well try.
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So those are the questions.
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And then Carrie ends the interview in a soft and salty way.
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So thank you very much, captain Jay, for, for sharing your testimony with us today.
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This is, as I say, very impromptu.
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And there's no real way to vet this information at this time, perhaps there will be in the
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future.
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And we'll just kind of leave an open door and see what happens.
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So that is exactly what you said at the beginning, which is there is no way to prove any of this,
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but you can sort of tell, like, if that had gone better, she wouldn't have ended it with,
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I'd like to remind you, but this guy, I have no idea what the fuck he's talking about.
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It's fun.
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It's fun.
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And maybe this is, maybe this is a perfect Halloween episode because Carrie is dressed
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up as someone who actually is questioning what someone is saying to her.
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Maybe, maybe it is the perfect analog for, for, for, for a costume.
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I just don't know how to feel about this guy, Dan, on, on the one hand, he's so far been
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my favorite Project Camelot guest.
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Well, I mean, the running isn't like, it's not a deep crew.
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Like who do you have to pull for?
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Well wasn't the...
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You have a racist Pleiadian.
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No, but wasn't the...
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You have a murderer.
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Wasn't the, the, the guy who was a PM in Britain?
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Was he on...
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Simon Parks?
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Yeah.
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Was he on the show or was he just mentioned?
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No, he's been on the, he's been on a lot.
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Yeah.
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Well, he's up there.
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I like him.
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I don't know.
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He's what?
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He seemed like, he seemed like his policy positions were great.
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He's not as...
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Sure, he fucked an alien once every four months, but he had good policy ideas.
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He's not as bigoted as some of the, the other folks that you're going to end up running
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into.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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This guy doesn't seem, I don't know, he's bigoted, but I don't know where to who and
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why.
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Right, right.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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Yeah.
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I think about it at the beginning of the show, the things that he's expressing at least metaphorically
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seem more progressive than so many of these other guests and Kerry hates him.
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That seems...
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Seems to say something.
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Seems like it.
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I don't know.
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Because we can only live in the world of metaphor, I don't know what conclusion you can draw
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from it, but...
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It is fascinating.
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It is endlessly fascinating to me whenever we go through all of these guys and how they
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feel about races.
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Like they all, all of them, when an alien race is involved, they all have hard and fast
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positions on what entire races are good and entire races are bad.
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That is an important piece I don't think we ever unpack, is that there is a uniform characteristic
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that's given to races.
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Yeah, to races entirely.
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And having that thought kind of leads you to believe that you might think similarly
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about humans.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Sure.
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But this guy, it seems like even his racist things like the, oh, the Pleiadians you think
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are Pleiadians aren't Pleiadians and they're bad.
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But even then they're like, they're like bad ants.
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Like his, his description of all of this shit is very noncommittal towards an actual race
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of beings being good or bad.
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More, more even like even his, his worst characterization was capricious, you know, like these guys
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are fun.
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Yeah.
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These guys are infinitely powerful and have no problem.
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And we mucked it up and they were like, fine, goodbye.
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We talked to them and they couldn't have their fun.
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I don't, I, I, if there are space politics, yeah, that's a better version.
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I appreciate it more.
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I do.
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So it's interesting that you have this guy who's come in and express these things and
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he's never been welcomed back on the show.
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Yes, not.
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Meanwhile, Kerry will talk to Eddie Page five times in a month.
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Nonstop.
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Now here's where the show proper ends.
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Yes.
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And we'll be back in just a moment to listen to more tracks from Kerry Cusman's album.
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Welcome back to the Knowledge Fight listening room.
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That is right, we're here.
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Now we're going to shift, we're going to shift gears a little bit and do a, do a little bit
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of a listening party for the Project Camelot album, Rebel Gene, again, released in 2014.
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All right.
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You can buy this online.
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12 bucks.
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12 bucks?
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12 bucks.
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Dude.
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Come on.
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How many tracks?
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Not many.
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It's six tracks.
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Six tracks?
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That's unreasonable.
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We've already heard Space Command.
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Two bucks a track?
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Even Apple charges like 99 cents.
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This was released in 2014.
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You can find more information about it at warriormusic.org.
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So check that out.
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I don't want to do that.
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So we're going to start with the opening track.
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This one is called Magic Eyes Only.
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Oh, this is Ravi Shankar, right?
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Maybe.
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Ooh, that's good.
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Feel it.
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Feel that shit.
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Holy shit.
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Carrie's singing.
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Oh my God.
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Is this Lady Tron?
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Is Carrie in Lady Tron?
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Is that an abortion message?
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Dude, I'm vibing out on this.
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This is for real good.
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That is for real good.
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It's not good.
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No, I would listen to that.
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It's better than it deserves to be.
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I would listen to that for sure.
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I don't think her voice is great, but it's serviceable in that role.
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It's fine.
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It's fine.
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Look, she could take over for War Paint any day.
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She'd be fine.
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Strong.
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Miss Mister?
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She's there.
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Strong opening track.
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It's a good track.
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Strong opening track.
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Let's see where we go from there.
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All right.
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This next track, track number two, Rogue Civilization.
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Oh, we can't legally listen to this without a hookah.
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So I love the octopus.
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They are the octopus.
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Wait, what?
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Why?
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That's a big reveal.
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That is a big reveal.
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Why can't I go to Europa?
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Well now the only world I want is Europa.
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Also, how has that never come up on the show before?
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It's on her album.
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Look, a good artist never looks back, Dale.
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Never look back.
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She burned that material on this album.
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But it still seems like a good role.
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A lot can change in four years.
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All worlds are yours except Europa.
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I don't understand what that one actually means though.
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Like what world is Europa?
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Isn't that a moon?
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But also the next song, track three.
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Yes.
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Nail gun to the head.
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That's a harsh title.
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What is this?
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Is this Fugazi?
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What's going on here?
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Massive attack?
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Yeah, I was just thinking that.
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God damn it.
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I was about to say that same shit.
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In short, the banker hits are being done by the bad guys to keep the men from singing
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after they flipped during prosecution or investigation.
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The STL fed guy discovered some Bush-fed guy, multi-billion dollar fraud, was ready to be
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reported.
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It doesn't even rhyme.
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She didn't have to say fed guy.
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I don't know why she rhymed earlier and then doesn't have to later.
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Tricky tricky.
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You know what I mean?
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It is unclear which is bigger.
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Vatican links to narco money or links to Forex fraud thought theft.
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Wait, wait, did she say fraud thought theft?
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God damn, I think we're coming to one very strong conclusion.
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For real, this is instrumentally serviceable.
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Not bad.
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Eerily, eerily similar to the Jamie XX album, I'm New Here, where he sampled a Gil Scott
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Heron spoken word shit and then just put beats underneath it.
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Eerily similar to that.
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Slightly different content.
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Might be a little bit.
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I don't think she ever says that a rat done bit her sister now.
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A rat done bit my sister now.
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The government, et cetera.
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This is so wild.
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I'm almost disappointed that...
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It's not worse?
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Well, no.
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I think it's terrible.
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I really don't think it's terrible.
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I think it's terrible because of the combination of all of its parts.
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I think that I could low key mellow vibe on some of the instrumentation.
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And also, if it wasn't Carrie Cassidy saying this nonsense, I think I could put up with
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the vocals.
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If it was...
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The vocal quality isn't terrible.
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It's not bad.
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It's the fact that she's saying things that I'm like, hold on, what the fuck are you talking
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about?
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Have you ever heard a disclosure?
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That kind of ambience, non-offensive, it makes sense.
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I don't think this is terrible.
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I really don't.
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All right, let's see if you enjoy this next track.
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The next track is actually Space Command.
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I think Nail Gun to the Head is probably troublesome.
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Nail Command.
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Space Command.
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Nail Command to the Head.
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Space Command is the next song, so we're going to skip that and go on to track five.
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This is AI Battle.
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Okay.
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I think this one is actually Portishead.
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Portishead.
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Portishead.
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Portishead.
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if that was Cardinal official I'm gonna be pissed off she had someone on the
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track and it doesn't say who is guesting yeah if that was Cardinal official I
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think he can do better but I also know that he will do anything he'll show up
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anyway I think it was probably one of the lesser Marley children oh yeah it's
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possible so that was a little too reggae for my tastes also a little bit too
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much for Carrie that was I appreciate a good like guitar so this last track here
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the album closer it's called humanity get off your knees I like it
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understanding what we are made of is key to understanding what our true potential
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is once you realize this then child is father to the man if you're not actually
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blue six that's actually blue six did she just steal everybody from the early
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2000s doing ambient music child is the father of man is also an album by the by
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blood sweat and tears oh okay really great but a bit like this to me seems
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like opium in the late 70s like this seems to me like yeah you got to be like
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real on some some debilitating shit oh yeah absolutely becomes much more real
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what hell yeah damn right
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knowledge of our potential is likely even greater than the sum of a part our
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baseline that's a dope baseline fuck off if you don't like that baseline go fuck
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yourself on this planet that's a that's a great baseline this is I proclaim it
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not a terrible album we're only listening to the samples I guarantee if
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you had to sit around and listen to this for half an hour you're probably oh wait
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six tracks left last half hour oh yeah that's too long each of those tricks we
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only heard about one fifth too long yeah it's a 36 minute album six tracks no I
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could see her I could see her teaming up with a G hand and came in and putting
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out an all right blue note album it's interesting that she did that in 2014
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and has not ventured back into the waters of music nor is she mentioned it
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on the show crazy legit if I were her that would be the thing I would be most
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proud of I think that I've heard a lot of like albums by people who have no
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business making music like you know like a Joe Pesci or Steven show music yeah
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yeah there's a lot of I assumed Steven Seagal had an album there's a lot of
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actors who have made music and like you listen to that and you're like what do
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you think this baseline is good what are you doing like that sort of thing and I
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else I will I will come with you as far as I'm going to accept that that is
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better than a lot of you should come with us and leave your world behind Dan
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so Carrie made some music good good on her it's not bad it's not bad Dan we
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will this will be our eternal struggle whoever was producing that album knew
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exactly what he or she was working with keep it simple they knew exactly what
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they were working with simple stupid and they were really like elementary
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fucking let's make sure that this fucking vibes and let's not worry about
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anything beyond that I'm working on an album with Carrie Cassidy here's what
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I'm gonna do I'm like what this is gonna live or die by her weirdness so what I'm
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gonna do is be non-offensive I'm just going to make this as mellow and just
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whatever is possible and then she can throw her weirdness on it it's not on me
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none of I was just on their website I still don't remember what that guy's
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name is who did all the music I have no idea really really right in front of me
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I really want to know who the studio musicians were because let me tell you
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something it was just one guy look it up it's on warrior music all the
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information so there's a multi instrumentalist producer who is doing
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all this for her that guy's a or he or she is a fucking amazing yeah
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incredible you know peel back the layers and find out that he's the genius behind
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so many it's actually DJ danger mouse let's stay on the automator he loves
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concept albums there's no doubt about it deltron 30 um so guys this has been fun
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nice break from reality a little bit but we'll be back with our next episode that
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will unfortunately deal with whatever whatever it deals with but it might get
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better maybe bull I couldn't even I couldn't even sell myself on that nope
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anyway we have a website knowledge fight talk oh we do indeed Dan where could you
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find us on a social media site Twitter Twitter is that one knowledge underscore
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I'm not on that one what about Facebook you're not on that one either but we
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are and also we have a group called go home and tell your mother you're
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brilliant that sounds great ask to join we will let you in there I do avail
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myself of the iTunes can you find us there yep we're on there you can leave a
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review you can subscribe we would appreciate it thank you all so oh so
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very much for supporting the show and being interested in it we appreciate it
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so much absolutely do you know what Dan the only thing that I can say for
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certain shut it down I do want to hear what you were gonna say but I have a
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better one fuck off okay you all right yours all right mine okay audience all
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right okay that sounds good all right you're first all right I the only thing
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I can say for certain is that for the first time on a project Camelot maybe
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not the first time but for the first time on a project Camelot episode where
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a guy calls himself a captain he has explicitly never killed a guy but I know
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somebody who has and again so here's mine you are just waiting for me to
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finish mine so you could do here it's pretty close though it's pretty close
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okay I was going to say something in thank God thank God that when these
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silver craft beings were causing all their problems in the universe all it
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took was some weird dude going into space going to Mars getting acclimated
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to Easter Highland beings and then figuring it out no one had to die in
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figuring out the problems of the universe but one guy had to theoretically
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die for no reason and you know who did it Alex Jones in Kansas anyway and I mine
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was a little bit more synced it was the way I would describe mine anyway let us
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know which one you enjoyed better we'll see you next time you're on the podcast
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Alex probably killed a dude Andy in Kansas you're on the air thanks for
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holding well Alex I'm a person color I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you
