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Dan and Jordan.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Stop it.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and Kansas.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding us.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first-time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledgefight.
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Hey, everybody.
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Welcome back to Knowledgefight, a little show where my friend and I like to get together,
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drink novelty beverages, worship at the altar of Selene.
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Yes.
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We're still getting the smooth intro.
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That one's gonna take a little while to kind of integrate in.
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We worship at the altar of Selene and talk about Alex Jones.
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Yes.
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How are you?
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Nice to meet you.
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It's a pleasure.
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It's a pleasure.
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It's wonderful to meet you, Dan.
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Ah, boy.
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Now, since we've officially introduced ourselves, I have a quick question.
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What's your bright spot today, Dan?
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Why don't you go first?
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Because I have a hunch what yours might be.
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Oh, well, mine is obviously the release of my super-secret project.
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Policy Wonk John sent us a-
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You believe it's John.
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Wait, well, I know it's John, probably.
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The handwriting might be an issue.
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The handwriting leads us to believe it's John.
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I think it'll be easier just to say, if you are someone with bad handwriting who sent
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us Pathfinder rule books, this one goes out to you, buddy.
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Pathfinder rule books and all sorts of other figurine things.
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So cool.
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Not like a Warhammer figurine, but like a book of standee things you can play with.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Pre-written campaigns, all this really cool stuff.
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And Space Finder, too.
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Yes, yeah, yeah.
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The outer space version.
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We'll have to figure that one out eventually.
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Yeah.
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But when that package came in, just to give a little behind the scenes intel, I got overwhelmed
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by the number of books and I said, Jordan, this is on you.
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This is, yes.
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I believe you-
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You need to read these.
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Your words were somewhere along the lines of, you need to finally do some work.
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Yes.
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This is your job now.
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Figure out what to do with this.
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Yes.
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Get a job.
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Essentially.
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Yeah.
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I couldn't handle the idea of even cracking one of those books and then getting lost in
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it.
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Yeah.
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No one needs that.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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I read them.
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It was very hard to do.
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So we decided to do as close to a Pathfinder campaign as possible.
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As inspired by this.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So we've got you, Dan.
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We've got our brilliant friends, Marty and Sarah from Marty and Sarah Love Wrestling.
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Yeah.
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And then we have the lovely and talented Liz Anderson, who is absolutely fantastic.
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And we are all playing a campaign that I wrote.
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Yeah.
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And we're all just...
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I mean, we're not really playing the goon so much with the...
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We're playing your game.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, and the first episode of it is on our Patreon right now.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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But it's not like behind a paywall or anything.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's just posted there.
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Just a reminder, everything on our Patreon is not behind a paywall.
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And if you enjoy that, you should check out Marty and Sarah and Liz Anderson's projects
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and support them.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Yep.
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But I don't know how to embed things places.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, if you...
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So it's there.
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If you know, embed it, we won't bother you.
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So actually, this kind of dovetails into my bright spot.
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Yes!
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First of all, I mean, semi-bright spot.
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I really did enjoy doing that.
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I know.
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It's great.
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It's certainly outside of the realm of what I normally am comfortable with in terms of,
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I don't know, playing characters or whatever.
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But everyone's character is so fun and silly.
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It's great to get together a bunch of middle-aged people who have never played any kind of role-playing
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game before, and we're all stand-ups and improvisers and podcasters, so it's basically just a
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free-for-all.
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Yeah.
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And I'm excited to see where it goes.
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But also, in relation to these Pathfinder books and everything that came in, I realized
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that we need to catch up a little bit on Z...
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Ooh, the mailbag!
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...some of the mailbag.
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Yeah.
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Because we were going to do some more bonus episodes we haven't really been able to, and
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then now this secret project has been unveiled.
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And then it begins.
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That's kind of...
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Yeah.
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We have the D&D kind of thing where we also zip the mailbag.
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Yeah, that's not gonna happen!
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That's weird.
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We're not gonna make a...
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My character is running away from a bar at the same time.
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Oh, what's this?
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We're not gonna make Thomas the devilish Catholic come after anybody.
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So Jordan, one thing, we missed this one a little ways back, but I wanted to say thank
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you to Matt, who sent in that little poster of Chicago venues that we have.
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Oh yeah!
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Yeah, that's so cool.
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Yeah, that was a really awesome little art piece, and we've missed that when we were
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at ZFN in the past.
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Oh man, that's super cool.
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Yeah, and so thank you to Matt.
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Another person here, Sarah M., very excited about this thing that came in a little while
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back.
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It was some honeys that they were...
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They're like...
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Metal honey is the name of the company.
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Yes!
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's spicy honey and like a really...
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Like a flowery elixir one.
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They were fantastic.
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And so I wanted to say thank you to Sarah for those, and also the hot sauce of the month
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has continued to roll in.
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Absolutely delightful, or have we had a kind of dud yet?
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I don't think we've had a dud.
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Some have not been as good as others, but I gotta say, this one, the Marie Sharps, the
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habanero one from Belize that came in, that has been pretty...
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Those ones are pretty in my wheelhouse in terms of like an everyday sauce.
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Those have been pretty heavy in the rotation.
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I feel like there was actually one in the hot sauce of the month that was kind of disappointing,
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but I don't remember what it was.
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There was one called Illuminati, like naughty, like bad.
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Naughty, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't think I liked that one much.
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Maybe it was just bitter about the pun though.
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That does sound like...
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I mean, unless you were in the Illuminati, unless you were like Jay-Z or Beyonce, I
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don't think it should be that offensive to you.
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No, but I also should say this came with some Mexican candies, the honeys, which is a cool
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thing that apparently is a signature of the Metal Honey brand.
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Nice.
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Send some candies along.
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I like it.
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Which, of course, I certainly need more candies.
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Repeat customers, that's what they're going for.
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Yeah, so I appreciate that, and also I'm way overdue checking the mailbox, so there will
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probably be some more coming up in the near future.
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So Jordan, today we got an episode.
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Do we?
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Yeah, we do.
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I think it was difficult to decide what to do, and I want to walk you through my thinking.
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So the first thing I thought of was, I don't care about Alex's take on Bill Gates getting
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a divorce.
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I don't care about anything to do with Bill Gates getting a divorce.
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I think it might be interesting to see him try and weave that into somehow it's part
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of the globalist's plan.
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I don't know, I don't care.
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I think it's also a little bit like, I don't know, no matter what, it'll be disappointing.
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I don't care for it much.
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And I also started to realize that our show right now is becoming too much just Alex being
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a goddamn anti-vaxxer.
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It's so one note to a certain extent that I just, I get just burdened by it.
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At the same time, we've been looking at 2003, and I had a realization.
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You know where we are in 2003?
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May?
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Yeah, May 7th, which is the day this episode comes out.
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This is a rare opportunity.
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If we go back to 2003 today, we can cover something 18 years ago to the day.
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Okay.
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Well, now we have to.
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I felt like I had to.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's nothing we can do but that.
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Yeah.
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So today we're going over May 7th, 2003.
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I'm Dan.
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This is 2003.
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Welcome to the wonderful world of 2003.
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The music was revolutionary.
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Shit was happening.
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People were having meaningful conversations on the street.
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2003, just a heavy time in America.
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Was 2003 Stankonia or The Love Below?
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I want to say that was around then.
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I want to say that was around then.
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But I could be wrong.
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Yeah.
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I measured time by OutKast albums, in case you were wondering.
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I think it might have been A Quemini.
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No.
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Okay.
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When was Bombs Over Baghdad?
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What album was that on?
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That was, or that was...
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What album was that?
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I'm going to sleep.
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I'm going to sleep.
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Oh no.
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No.
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Bombs Over Baghdad, that was Stankonia.
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Okay.
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Well then that was probably around 2003.
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Yeah.
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It was around 2003.
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I would assume.
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I'm more of a...
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The time in my life that I would consider the salad days are the Southern Playlist of
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Cadillac music days.
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That's really where I live.
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Yeah.
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Fair enough.
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And Italians.
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Fair enough.
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Yeah.
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Anyway.
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Yes.
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Jordan, let's list some more OutKast albums.
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Okay.
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Before we get down to business on our trip to the past, let's take a little moment, Jordan,
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to say what up to some new wonks.
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Ooh.
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So first, Rick and Hannah, this is for you.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Rick and Hannah.
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This is for you.
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Thank you.
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Next, The Goddamn Pac-Man.
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Also included in this is a shout out to you, Jordan, because of baseball season, and The
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Goddamn Pac-Man wanted me to let you know, go Padres.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much, Goddamn Pac-Man.
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Do you have any animosity towards the Padres?
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No.
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The Padres are fantastic.
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Fernando Tatis is one of the most exciting, probably maybe the best player, and they stole
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you Darv- Well, when I say stole you Darvish from the Cubs, what I mean more is the Ricketts
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family threw you Darvish into the ocean and was like, San Diego, you can have him for
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peanuts, Dan.
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Peanuts!
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All right.
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Sorry.
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Next, I'm Laura Taylor, and I'm definitely a witch.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks, Laura.
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Next, Mike The Parrot Head.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Mike.
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I did this shout out mostly because Mike has a secret agenda, and that is to see what kind
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of overlap there is between our podcast fans and Jimmy Buffett fans, and I'd rather not
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know.
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We'll never know.
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I hope not to.
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Nope.
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Next, Danny in Mexico.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks, Danny.
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Thank you.
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Next, let's get some technocrats.
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Okay.
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All right.
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First, we got William P. Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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Also, The Baby Blaze, let's spell B-L-A-I-S-E.
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Okay.
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The Baby Blaze.
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The Baby Blaze.
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Who is a punk.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Crikey, mate.
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That's fantastic.
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Have yourself a brew.
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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All right.
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We got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
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Let's just get down to business.
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We ain't making that money off that heroin.
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Why you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large.
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I declare info war on you.
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Thank you, William, and thank you to The Baby Blaze.
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Yes.
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Thank you very much.
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I don't know why I've lost my mind.
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I just had to double check it.
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Yeah.
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Of course it's not on Stankonia.
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It's on Bob.
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It's on Bob's Over Bed.
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That's the name of the album?
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Yes.
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Of course it is.
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What am I?
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Stupid?
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I feel like I'm losing my mind.
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Yep.
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Okay.
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Clearly.
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Yeah.
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So, Jordan, we start here at the beginning of the day, the show, as Alex does.
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He starts at the beginning.
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Of course.
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And I have got this thesis that I'm working on that continues to seem more and more accurate,
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and that is that Joe Rogan stole the word powerful from Alex.
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Another powerful broadcast lined up for you.
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It is the 7th of May, 2003.
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I'm Alex Jones.
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If you were born on the day that this episode was recorded, you can vote.
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Yes, of course you can.
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Of course you can.
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That's powerful.
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That is powerful.
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I've never done a, what's 18th anniversary?
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What would that be?
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An eel?
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Oh, I don't know.
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You speak Greek.
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What do you mean?
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Well, I mean, if it's a millennium is a thousand, that's kind of Greek.
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I don't know if there's a word for an 18 eel.
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Why not?
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Wow, these Greek.
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These Greek people without their 18s.
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I thought you meant like, you know how like it's a paper anniversary or like a gold?
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Oh, sure, sure.
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What's the 18th?
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Well, what's that one?
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Ink?
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I don't know.
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Papyrus, actually.
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There's some weird ones in that list.
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Papyrus spatula year.
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I mean, I could look, I could check.
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I don't care.
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I don't think it's important.
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No, we don't have the time to waste.
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More importantly, Alex has undoubtedly got a claim.
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He could take Joe Rogan to small claims court for stealing the intro of his show being,
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this is a powerful transmission.
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You know, I think they've gotten a lot from each other out of this situation.
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I don't think Alex can be mad at Joe for what he's contributed in response for getting powerful.
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But what I would like to say is that this furthers Alex's argument that I hate to say
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I kind of agree with, that Joe is a sneaky snake.
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Joe is a sneaky snake.
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That's true.
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Yeah.
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That's true.
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Powerful sneaky snake.
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Maybe that's what Alex said.
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Maybe that's what it's always been.
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That's why Joe can't get rid of Alex.
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Alex has powerful over him.
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Could be.
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He's got too many skeletons in the closet.
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This might be-
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We've blown the whole thing open.
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This was not what I was looking to discover, but I think we might've figured it out.
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We got it.
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Yeah.
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We did it.
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The corruption is-
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The corruption.
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It's the word powerful.
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It's blackmail.
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This is why there's an intellectual dark web.
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The whole thing goes back to Joe stealing the word powerful.
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I knew it would happen.
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Oh, well.
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Now that we've solved that, let's get into something a little more meaty.
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Okay.
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I now admit that the Private Lynch thing really wasn't a rescue.
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It was totally staged.
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The Iraqis had been gone for two days.
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The doctors had walked down the road and told them days before to come get her.
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The special forces hours before the raid had been across the street.
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They knew the area was deserted.
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Turns out it was theater, Hollywood.
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So for the last few days here in 2003, Alex has been touching on this story of the alleged
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rescue of Private Lynch, and I've been waiting for him to dig into it with some real depth
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so I can get a better sense of his exact position, but it doesn't seem like there's much here
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past what he said in that clip.
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His position is that the rescue is all just Hollywood theatrics and nothing more.
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The story of Private Lynch is actually a fantastic example of the precise problem with what Alex
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Jones does for a living and how easy it is to get seduced into his way of thinking.
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For some background, on March 23, 2003, Lynch's convoy was ambushed outside Nasirah in Iraq
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and she was taken hostage.
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Eleven of the other members of her group were killed in the ambush and Lynch was taken to
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nearby Saddam Hospital.
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There she was treated and on the evening of April 1st, she was rescued by US forces.
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From this point forward, the story is one of complete malpractice by the media where
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sensationalism led coverage of the story.
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Unnamed sources claimed that she'd been shot or stabbed, but conflicting reports came out
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from her doctors who said that she had no such wounds.
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Even as media outlets ran with a sensationalized version of the story, other outlets were digging
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in to sort out what was and was not the truth.
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By April 15th, outlets like the Washington Post were beginning to critically examine
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their own initial coverage and question whether their account was accurate.
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Washington Post headline, whoops, really should have done a better job on that one, our bad.
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More or less, yeah, it's interesting.
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And gradually, things fell apart and the truth of the matter came forward.
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When Lynch was taken to Saddam Hospital, she was given appropriate medical treatment and
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when US forces arrived to rescue her, there weren't any Iraqi forces there and much of
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the characterization of her as a Rambo-type was based on overdramatization and misstatements.
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Now, it's absolutely true that much of the media completely fucked this story up and
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they may have had forces that were pretty excited that they were fucking it up.
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The war in Iraq at that point was not full of good news like the Bush administration
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would have wanted it to be and the idea that they would try to take this story and use
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it for their purposes definitely seems like what they did.
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If you read the House report that investigated the flow of information about the rescue titled
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House Report 110-858, you can definitely see instances of members of the Department of
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Defense giving inaccurate information about the rescue, which fed into the heroic drama
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that was being sold by the media.
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Are you telling me that war-mongering politicians and their, oh, okay, you're doing this wild.
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I'm not telling you that entirely.
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I'm not saying that definitively.
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Sure.
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And I think that's important.
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Yes.
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Well, there's one instance.
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On April 2nd, Brigadier General Vincent Brooks, a spokesperson for CENTCOM, told a press briefing,
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quote, there was not a firefight outside the building, I will tell you, but there were
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firefights outside of the building getting in and getting out.
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That was not true, unless you take a very broad view of what getting in and getting
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out means.
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Well, we started the war a couple of months ago, so there were firefights for us to get
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there, and then whenever she left, the war was still going on, so there were firefights
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when we were leaving.
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See?
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On April 3rd, Navy Captain Frank Thorpe was quoted in the Military Times as saying that
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Lynch, quote, waged quite a battle prior to her capture.
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We do have very strong indications that Jessica Lynch was not captured very easily.
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Reports are that she fired her M-16 rifle until she had no more ammunition.
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None of that information is accurate, but it feeds into the creation of a story out
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of the movies for the public to enjoy.
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Yeah, like what they did with Lynch.
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Pat Tillman?
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Yeah.
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Tillman, that's right.
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Yeah, that was another thing that was in that House investigation, the flow of misinformation
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surrounding that circumstance.
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Now, the thing is, those people and their statements, the Brigadier General Brooks and
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Navy Captain Thorpe, are not necessarily the people who gave the statements unnamed to
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the Washington Post.
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Sure, true.
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It's not like these people's statements, as inaccurate as they may be, are what fueled
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directly the media sensationalism.
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And it would be impossible to prove this definitively, but you'd also have to be kind of naive to
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think that it's impossible that someone within the Department of Defense wouldn't have seen
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the potential to spin this story for some much needed good press for the war.
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You could have that suspicion, and you could point fingers at the media for bungling the
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story, but if you do that, you have to be careful about where you're pointing.
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If you damn the media for their mishandling this story, you also have to credit the media
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for doubling back and questioning their own coverage when new information came to light.
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This doesn't necessarily excuse the sensationalism that characterized the initial coverage, but
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without actual journalists continuing to pursue the story, even if it meant embarrassing themselves,
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this thread would have been much harder to untangle.
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Second, if you believe that the DoD was definitely trying to pull propaganda games here and pushing
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a false story, you have to ask how good they are at that.
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This was a relatively easy propaganda story to pull off, and it fell apart in a matter
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of weeks.
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If you believe that this was all government spin, then I would suggest that this story
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serves as a terrible argument that the government's always lying to us, and in fact it kind of
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more firmly sports the idea that when the government tries to lie on a scale like this,
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it doesn't work.
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I mean, you know, at the time they had just lied their way into a war, so I bet they weren't
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really caring too much about whether or not everybody caught them lying.
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I mean, and then as far as the competence with which they do things go, they had just
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incompetently lied their way into a war that they were fighting incompetently that were
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still fighting incompetently, so it would make sense to me that the government, as it was
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at the time, would very much try and push the story so incompetently that it would backfire
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on them.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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So I think the most important thing about this, and the most important aspect to really
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delve into, is where one thinks the conspiracy exists.
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I don't fault people for thinking that the Bush administration would have a vested interest
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in the sensational version of the story being reported, and that possibly unnamed US officials
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fed the flames of the story to the media, so you can suspect, you know, that they maybe
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wanted the media to get this wrong in this way.
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That's a different thing than the narrative that Alex is selling.
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The story that Alex is telling is that the entire rescue operation itself was a contrived
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theatrical affair, which is completely unsupported by the facts.
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The DOD Office of the Inspector General conducted an investigation due to the insistence of
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Rahm Emanuel, of all people, into the allegations that the rescue was, quote, premeditated fabrication.
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From the report, quote, based on the results of the preliminary inquiry conducted by the
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Inspector General, United States Central Command, we concluded that the allegations were not
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substantiated and that no further investigation was warranted.
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During the inquiry, the Inspector General, US CENTCOM, reviewed numerous classified operational
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documents that were not available to the media, and interviewed over 30 witnesses, many of
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whom had firsthand knowledge of the events at issue.
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In addition to this, Vernon Loeb, one of the writers of the first Washington Post story,
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the actual first one that shed off the sensationalized coverage, he was interviewed on NPR's Fresh
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Air in December 2003.
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In that interview, he clarifies that the information he was getting that the story was based on
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was wrong, but it ultimately traced back to bad intelligence from the field.
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Inaccurate information was conveyed, collected from intercepts and misrepresented and misinterpreted
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details, and then that story was reported.
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Which kind of puts a little bit of a hole in the theory that is all an elaborate hoax.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's more mishandling, and if you want to get a conspiracy about like, hey, it works
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in certain people's best interests that there was this mishandling.
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That's not crazy.
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Yeah, no, I mean, it seems almost impossible to think of it as anything other than opportunistic
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idiots bungling a martyr story, you know, or a war hero story.
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And I think if you want to keep it in that sort of territory, you're on more, like, not
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totally unreasonable ground.
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Yeah, that seems reasonable.
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I'm doing it the way Alex is doing it, and this idea that it's like, ah, they had premeditated
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intentions of creating this fake rescue in order to trick people into supporting the
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war or whatever.
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That is where it's like, okay, this is a conclusion that is unearned, unsubstantiated, you can't
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back this up, and it's nonsense.
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And this is the point that I'm trying to make.
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When you have this suspicion and this like, I don't know, I don't trust these people pushing
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a fucking war, and this story, it was mishandled on some level.
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Inaccurate statements were made, whether it was because of bad information being conveyed
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to the people making the statements or some kind of a, eh, mishandling, who knows.
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That suspicion is not that bizarre.
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It's not unnatural to have that healthy distrust, but that healthy distrust gets transmuted
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by someone like Alex into confident assertions of a conclusion that isn't based in reality.
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And that's where the danger is, even with this 2003 Alex that's a far different Alex
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than the present in terms of some of his methodologies.
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That is true.
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I mean, but it's just so easy, it's just so easy, especially at the time, because they
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literally lied us into a war that's never going to end.
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Like that's a conspiracy on the level of something that is so huge.
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I mean, an actual war, an invasion of another country, and it was a conspiracy, and it was
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a lie that it's hard to imagine anything's beyond those people, you know?
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Like why would, do you really think it's beyond the people who lied us into a forever war
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to fabricate one small thing?
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You know, like that seems like a reasonable overreaction at the time.
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If that makes sense.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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Right.
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But what you're describing is essentially Alex Jones's sort of indoctrination process.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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I mean, yes, it is compelling and it certainly could be persuasive to say, they did X, why
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wouldn't they do something else?
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And that's fine.
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But then, all right, any argument is gone.
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Why wouldn't they do, you could just use that to justify 100 conspiracies that you want
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to believe in.
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Oh, totally.
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Totally.
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And it's just, it doesn't work.
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Yeah.
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No, I don't think there's any way-
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If you prove that someone is morally capable of an act, it doesn't prove that they did
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it.
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Right.
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Right, right, right, right.
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No, totally.
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I absolutely agree.
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But that hijack is what Alex uses.
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Right.
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If they are morally capable of this, then they must have done it.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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And that's just not reality.
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Yeah.
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It's hard not to think that history is going to look at the Bush administration as infinitely
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worse than anything Trump ever did.
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It's hard to think that history won't look at Bush as one of the single worst genociders
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there's ever been.
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Feels like Trump has some time left, though.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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He can still catch up.
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So Alex has some interesting predictions that he makes in this episode that seem very
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reminiscent of the present day.
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The New World Order is here.
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It's in our face.
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It's with us right now.
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And they're preparing a national draft.
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Even if you don't serve overseas, you'll serve here in- Yes, we've looked at the programs.
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Paddle tail squads, anti-gun programs, environmental cult groups locally, literally what they are.
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Under George W. Bush, who's the testular head of things right now, they put a Republican
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in for this final destruction of America so conservatives would hesitate just long enough
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so they could get the job done.
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So we've been in the New World Order for 20 years now.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, it just occurred to me that when he says all of these things and then they don't happen
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and he's like, see, we stopped it, like, yeah, but now you've been foiling the same plot
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for 20 years.
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Yeah.
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This is like, we're reading Batman serialized comics.
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Bush was going to put in the draft and that was going to have tattle tail squads and then
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Obama was going to have a draft and it was going to have the Obama youth or whatever.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then, you know, and he puts the Joker back in Arkham Asylum and then a week later
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Joker breaks out with the same plan again and he foils it again.
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And there's a whole lot of immediacy every time.
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Every single time.
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The only difference I would say is that within the world of DC Comics, the Batman and Joker
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do exist.
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Yeah, that is true.
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That is true.
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It would be like if Batman was making up Joker schemes in order to foil them over and over
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again.
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Oh shit.
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And did not possess the creativity to come up with new plans.
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I think you have got a new take on the Batman character.
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It's a rich psychopath who is inventing super villains in order to play out this massive
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fantasy that he has of being a superhero.
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Oh my god, that sounds real!
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I know a guy who could write that for you.
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Yeah.
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So at this point in 2003 there were some beginnings of democratic processes being attempted within
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Iraq.
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Mm-hmm.
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And Alex has some interesting takes on that.
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They've been on the news and they're saying to everyone that, oh look, this will make
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the detractors shut up.
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They said it might be five years before there were elections in Iraq.
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And look, already in Mosul, an election.
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Well I went and actually read our own government's release of what they've done in Mosul.
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They have, our government has chosen 200 people, former assets, still current assets, CIA,
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current leaders, communists, others.
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And just like they chose Saddam to be the dictator of Iraq back in the 70s, been their
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hit man since 58.
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Well now they're just choosing 200 strongmen and they quote, will elect, they will appoint
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the governor of that northern district and the gubernatorial seat will be Mosul.
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So I was able to find articles and outlets like the New York Times and LA Times about
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the Mosul election from early May 2003 and the tone that they have is a lot more restrained
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than Alex is presenting it.
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The New York Times article starts like this, quote, Iraq took its first faltering step
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toward democracy today when a large ethnically diverse group of local leaders held an election
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to choose an interim government in this northern city, Iraq's third largest.
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The reporting recognizes that this is a first step in a process, not necessarily the end
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result itself, whereas I feel like Alex is trying to pretend that the media is saying
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that this is a job that's finished.
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The election that was held wasn't just agents selected by the CIA or whatever the fuck Alex
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is saying, it was a group of 240 tribal leaders and local residents from nine ethnic groups
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that make up the population of the area.
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These 240 selected a group of 24 council members who then went on to choose a mayor.
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I'm not going to pretend that I know whether or not this was the best way to handle a preliminary
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election for an interim government, but my point is that from everything I can tell,
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Alex is misrepresenting what's going on.
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It's great to be opposed to the war because you should be, but your opposition should
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be based in reality and I don't feel like there's a lot of dealing with the war as it
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exists on his part.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It seems like if you don't deal with such a massive thing going on and instead create
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toxic conspiracy theories about it that push people towards the far right, I bet that's
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going to have repercussions later on.
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Yeah, I don't think it was the right way to express opposition.
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Yeah, I think later on we're really going to find out that the results of those things
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combining are really going to be bad for us.
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I think my parents' friends who were hippies might have had a better handle on things.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, on our last episode about 2003, I think, maybe it was two back, Alex discussed
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how he was going to go to Missouri to do a radio event.
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Sure, sure, yes.
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Car dealership opening.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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And this is so foreign from Alex's present-day mentality because I kind of believe he's telling
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the truth here.
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Okay.
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So the whole proceeds, 15 bucks, go to KCXL, they wanted to give me some of the money,
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but I said, you know, I'm not like the Patriots for profit, I'll come up and sell my videos,
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that's fine, but you just keep the money.
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You've had us on for three years telling the truth, so I'll come and speak at your event
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and this will certainly help you guys expand your operation and increase your power and
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everything else.
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So they're great folks.
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I hope a lot of you come.
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I hear thousands are planning.
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I kind of believe that he probably would turn down money to do a radio event back then.
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Yeah.
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It doesn't feel insincere.
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I don't like it.
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I don't like it, Dan, but I do buy it.
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I think I believe him here.
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I don't know, though, I don't know the tone of his lies in 2003, Dan.
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I also think that there's a possibility that he has a reason to believe that he could make
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more money selling DVDs than he could for whatever his appearance rate would be.
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Yeah, I imagine they didn't give him.
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It's still a calculation, maybe.
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Maybe the appearance fee was lowball enough that your pride would be better off denying
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it than taking it.
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That could be.
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But yeah, apparently he was willing to go for free to a radio event in Missouri back
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in 2003.
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Yeah!
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Yeah, that's intense.
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So at this point, Alex not only going to radio events for free, he is also doing the work.
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He's doing a lot of work.
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Another side note, I am running on three hour sleep and I've done this about four days straight.
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I do this a couple times a year.
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Well more than that.
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Maybe that's why I look more like Jabba the Hutt instead of James Bond like he used to
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look.
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But the point is, the point is, I have completed a new film.
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It is done.
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It is being mass produced as we speak.
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So on the website we say that it ships in one week and that's accurate if you want your
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order sent out first, you'll definitely want to go to Infowars.com or Infowars.net or PrisonPlanet.com
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and click on the shopping cart to order Police State 3 Total Enslavement.
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So I have decided that it's been too long since we've done a documentary and as we're
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back in 2003, Alex just released this documentary.
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I feel like it's perfect timing.
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We've got to cover Police State 3.
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We're going to cover Police State 3?
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I think we might.
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Oh shit.
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Yeah.
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Oh boy.
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I got this, you know, this energy.
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Was that the one whenever Bobcat, his star was really starting to wane down after three?
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Was that the one?
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That was Mission to Moscow.
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Okay, that was five.
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Was he still at five?
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I don't know.
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Oh, Bobcat.
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Matt Bobcat.
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Nicest guy in the world.
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I'm sure.
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Love him.
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Yeah.
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So Alex has got this new film.
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Very exciting.
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Yeah.
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Good for you.
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Yeah.
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Police State 3.
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Can't wait to watch that bullshit.
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Oh boy.
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Oh boy.
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So that may be coming soon.
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Also, Jordan.
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I don't know.
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I don't know what's so egregious to me.
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The idea of going online and putting a dramatic documentary title such as Police State 3 into
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your order cart and you're just staring at Police State 3 clicking buy.
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You got to feel like shit if you're not buying Police State 2 and 1 also.
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There might be important information on those.
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Yeah.
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Is it serialized?
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Are we going to miss out?
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I don't know, but if we do cover it, I'm not doing the other ones.
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No, you're going to have to watch them for background.
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I don't know if I'm going to.
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So at this point, Jordan, we know in the future, present day.
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Who are Alex's enemies?
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Oh boy.
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The list is ongoing, but mainly S.T.E.L.T.E.R.
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No, not individuals.
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How would you describe them?
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Oh, literal demons.
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Minions of the devil.
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Yes.
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Interestingly, here is who the new world order is in 2003.
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Okay.
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I have poured my life's blood into these films.
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My burning the candle at both ends in the defense of the Republic.
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If this was the Alamo, they're coming over the wall in the defense of the Republic.
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And we're defending against the new world order, the European bankers that own our government,
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and we must educate people if we're ever going to have liberty.
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So it's European bankers is the new world order.
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It's not so much the devil, the literal Christian devil.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's nice that we haven't seen the enemy at our gates yet, so to speak.
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I think it's interesting how there's this fast and looseness.
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Yeah.
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What do you actually think?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't either.
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I don't know.
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That's what's so interesting about this, because we know in the future he will be fighting
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the devil.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And there's some slight indications that we've seen from 2003 that he seems to think there's
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something going on.
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Right, right, right, right.
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But then, when he's talking about the new world order, he talks about it in terms of
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international European bankers, which is exactly the sort of presentation that he wants people
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to have at this point.
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This is about the Federal Reserve.
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This is about fiat currency.
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I don't know.
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I want to know if he actually thinks it's the devil back then.
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I kind of think that... Here's what I think it is, all right?
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Here's what I'm going to go with.
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I'm going to go with its necessary escalation is what happened.
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Like Iron Man came out around 2003.
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It's just one dude fighting against his director, or whatever it is he's doing.
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Real low stakes.
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By the end of it, we've got to restart the universe.
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He starts out.
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He's like, oh, European bankers are out.
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And then 20 years later, we're fighting the literal devil.
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It makes sense.
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Yeah, but look, dude, Iron Man-
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If he's doing Batman, he's essentially doing the entire Marvel universe as we go along.
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In Iron Man, Robert Downey Jr. wasn't pretending that he wasn't fighting Thanos, right?
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He didn't know he was fighting Thanos.
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But Alex seems to have some awareness of the devil.
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Well, there is that.
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There is that.
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But Thanos didn't hatch his plan for another 10 years, or whatever.
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It's a line of awareness that I'm interested in.
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I can't quite get my finger on it yet.
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So Alex goes to calls, and he takes a caller who wants to talk about Dennis Miller.
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Sure, great.
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Mark in Minnesota, you're on the air.
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Go ahead.
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Hey, Alex.
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How you doing, sir?
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Oh, pretty good.
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I seldom watch TV, but I just happened to be watching The Tonight Show last night.
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And Dennis Miller was on there.
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And I always seem to-
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Yeah, so-called, ultra-socialist, anti-gun.
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Real quick, ultra-socialist Dennis Miller.
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But one fun thing to point out is this is 2003, because Dennis Miller was on The Tonight
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Show.
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Now, worshipping Bush, pro-war, anti-freedom.
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Of course, this is a liberal sneak attack.
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I mean, he's like just- I mean, nothing but praise and accolades for Bush.
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I mean, Sig Hill, George Bush.
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Let me tell you something, I have him on tape literally engaging in a 10-minute worship
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session.
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Yes, you saw that then.
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Well, no, I saw him months ago.
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It's wall to wall, sir.
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Fair enough.
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Fair enough.
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Yeah, I mean, hey, yeah, good.
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Dennis Miller sucks.
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Was this back when he was on Monday Night Football?
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Oh, man.
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Jesus.
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No, I think that might have been a few years earlier.
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Oh, okay.
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But like this, yeah, this is- sure, yeah, Dennis Miller sucks.
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And he was a guy who promoted the Iraq war in a shameless way.
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Yeah, he went crazy.
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But I think time has shown us that he stayed on that pretty conservative path and was pretty
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in favor of Trump.
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Yeah, he's a real piece of shit.
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He followed a lot of the similar path that Alex walked out.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And instead, Alex is saying this is a secret socialist ultra-left person trying to pretend
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to be conservative in order to Trojan horse George Bush on us.
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That explanation, it doesn't make sense in hindsight.
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Just a fucking dick who lost his mind.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Real dick.
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Real dick.
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It's nice to know that no matter what era we live in, right-wing commentators will still
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have very strong opinions about comics who don't matter.
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Yeah.
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Great.
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And it's pretty universal in no one likes Dennis Miller.
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Yeah.
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Fuck them.
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Except Bill O'Reilly.
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Fuck them too.
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So in this next clip, Alex talks about an interaction that did not happen.
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It's not globalists in a hot tub.
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It seems to be a Nazi at a gas station, maybe.
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Is that a classic joke?
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I don't think this happened.
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About two weeks ago, I was taking the family out and I was, my wife, my parents were in
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the car, we're going out to eat and I run into the store, pay for the gas and I'm standing
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there and a guy with iron cross tattoos, everything else is in there, Mr. Trendy, who's not trendy
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at all, establishment brainwashed carbon copy cookie cutter creature, and he's buying this
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proud to be an American decal at the front counter and he goes, man, I'll tell you, I
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love it.
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All this oil we're getting.
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And I go, oh, oil.
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And he's, yeah, it's great.
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And I'm like, well, you don't think you're going to get that oil, do you?
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I don't care.
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We're tough.
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And the guy behind the counter started, you know, laughing at him and he goes, Hey, how
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you doing Alex?
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The guy behind the counter knew who I was.
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And I said, look, don't you know, they're killing people over there and you know, this
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is a fraud.
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They told us it wasn't about oil.
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Now they admitted, ah, so what we needed, I said, sir, you're not part of the establishment.
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They can't, they're like a poor North Korean who just loves Kim Jong Il, but you can't
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help these people.
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From at least 2010 onward, all the way to his running for president, Donald Trump was
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completely preoccupied with the idea of taking oil from countries where we've been at war.
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An editor's note in an article from the Brookings Institute called it quote, the most dangerous
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and irresponsible of all the Republican nominees' policy proposals.
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And Alex justified it when Trump had the exact same perspective he's shooting down as dumb
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back here in 2003.
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Yep.
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Also, I think it's weird, um, that Alex is saying that being a Nazi is trendy in 2003.
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I don't know what kind of company he's swinging with back then, but, um, honestly, for Alex,
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that guy was ahead of the times.
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Really.
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He was, he was out at the forefront of, of pop culture.
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He was an early adopter.
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Absolutely.
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Of the right-wing eventual.
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That guy's, that guy's basically the Jack Kerouac of the, of the Beat movement.
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You know, he was there early.
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That's tough.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I just don't like the idea of like looking at somebody with an Iron Cross tattoo and
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be like, fucking trendy.
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It's like my, like how I look at my friends who were too into Tiger King, and I'm like,
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that's how Alex looks at a guy with a Nazi tattoo.
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Absolutely.
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Fuck.
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Either that or he's just like, oh, look at you.
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So many goddamn Nazis with their Iron Cross tattoos everywhere these days.
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Johnny come lately.
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There used to be bell bottoms and now there's Iron Cross tattoos.
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Right.
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What's the next fad?
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So I think that one of the things that I keep getting a sense of in these 2003 episodes
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is a lot of Alex's opposition to George Bush comes down to a complete feeling that Bush
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is going to take all of his guns.
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And I want to keep mentioning that not only is Bush going to reinstate the Clinton gun
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ban and a magazine ban with pleasure, by the way, they are also going to bring forward
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our Lady of Peace Act that registers all gun owners, shuts down gun shows.
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Well, it's all the stuff in S-22.
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Our Lady of Peace is one bill in S-22 and there's the shut down the gun show section,
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national ballistics database, I mean, stuff that makes what Bill Clinton did look conservative.
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Folks, mayday, we're losing everything here.
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S-22, also known as the Justice Enhancement and Domestic Security Act of 2003 was introduced
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by Tom Daschle on January 7th, 2003 and he promptly died before even receiving a vote.
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Yeah, I was going to say.
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Clinton signed the federal assault weapons ban in 1994 and it was set to have a sunset
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clause after 10 years.
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So it was a ban that only existed until 2004 when it would be reexamined and it expired
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in 2004 and Bush did not renew it.
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Yeah.
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None of the stuff that Alex wants to make these listeners scared of happened, which
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is kind of the case always.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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Well, it distracts from the stuff that is happening and that's, you know, you don't
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want to get in the way of real things.
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True.
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You could get hurt.
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True.
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That's why you don't make Shadowgate, Dan.
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You don't get in the way of the real stuff.
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Oh, yeah.
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You stay away from that.
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You stay away.
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Stay away from the gate of gates.
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Alex doesn't get into that deep spy stuff.
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And whatever you do, don't talk about Roger.
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Oh, yeah, you're gone.
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So Alex takes another call and this guy has a perspective of like, you know, we're over
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there and we're trying to bring democracy into the Middle East countries and what have
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you and I don't see anything happening here.
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I don't see anything happening in my life, whatever.
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Alex says something really fucked up after that.
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He said before, but the fact that he keeps saying it troubles me.
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You know, it's funny that you mentioned the thing about people sharing in the power.
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I was thinking about that same issue three days ago.
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It popped into my head and I said to myself, wait a minute.
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How is it benefiting the general population of this country?
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In other words, how are we sharing in any of the benefits of what's going on?
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I stopped and I looked around.
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Gas prices are still about as high as they ever were.
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Nothing has changed, at least as it relates to John Q.
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Publick.
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And we're losing our liberty and freedom.
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I mean, if we had some war emperor who was totally reaffirming all our rights, leaving
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us alone, really taking out the we're not being really giving up freedom, really trying
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to train with them, I'd say, well, this is this is a radical departure from what George
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Washington said.
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But it's not that bad.
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It's not that bad.
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He has a very conditional idea about colonialism.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Does not seem to have a principled idea against regime change.
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No.
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Against nation building.
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Yeah.
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Which is what he wants people to think he has.
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Yeah.
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And it's not it's conditional.
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It's about whether or not the people who are going and taking over other countries leave
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him alone or not.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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No, no.
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You'd be totally fine with like King Leopold if he just didn't take away his gun.
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One hundred percent.
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It's fucked up.
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Yeah.
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No, he's against regime change, except for in the right conditions.
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Yeah.
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Just like he's against the Capital Six riot because it wasn't the right time.
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It wasn't the right preparation.
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Yeah.
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That to me is really a real glaring hole.
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And like, I can't I can't I mean, I guess a lot of the times people who would be listening
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to this maybe back in 2003 or just listening to it on the radio wouldn't be listening to
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it as critically necessarily as I'm listening to it now.
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But that seems like something that should be a real problem for him and his listeners.
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The idea that he would be OK with a war emperor who goes around as long as they reaffirm our
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rights the same way that George Washington would have now obviously abolishing the Constitution.
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There would be a discussion.
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There's like all of his intros are like, you want to end tyranny?
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Well, so does he.
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It's like this.
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You understand that this is exactly the way that, you know, people rationalized a lot
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of it.
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So you want to end dictatorships?
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How about a benevolent one?
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Right.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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And then now in the present day, I guess recent past when Trump was in power, he wanted to
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colonize space.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Take over Greenland.
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I don't know.
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Man, I heard that shit so much.
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Do those people who call in and they're like, what do we get out of this war?
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Do they not understand how psychopathic that sounds like?
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Hey, what do I look?
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I'm sure it's fine if we go, you know, slaughter a bunch of civilians, my bottom line, what
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my gas prices are going to stay the same.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Fuck you.
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How about that?
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Gross.
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You fucking psycho.
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Also, I was just sitting here thinking about it and it's like, let's imagine like a president
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that we were supportive of.
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Sure.
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Just coming out being like, I think I'm going to buy Greenland.
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Just imagine, even if you agree with all of the other policies, imagine going along like,
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you know what?
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This is a good idea.
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I'm telling you.
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I can't imagine it.
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Here's what should have happened.
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Here's what we would have gotten Carter a second term, all right?
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The gas crisis is going on and he's like, hey, you know where there's gas?
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Me neither, but let's buy Greenland.
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I'm going to take big swings, baby.
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It's ours.
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Yeah.
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So Alex has a guest, which is sort of a rarity.
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I think this is only the second guest I've seen so far in 2003 and here he comes.
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We're joined by an expert on the New World Order.
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I've read several of his books and for some reason we haven't hooked up over all these
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years, but it's good to have him on.
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Dennis Lawrence Cuddy, historian and political analyst, took a PhD from the University of
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North Carolina at Chapel Hill, major in American history, minor in political science.
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Dr. Cuddy has taught university level.
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He's been a political and economic risk analyst for international consulting firm.
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There's a few things that really concerned me about this intro that Alex is reading for
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Dennis Cuddy.
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This is the exact wording that you'll find for him on pretty much all other websites,
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but it just doesn't sound right.
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When someone has been employed as an actual professor, their bio probably wouldn't say
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that they've, quote, taught at the university level.
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It would almost always specify the school where they were a professor.
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Professor of blank at the University of blank.
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Honestly, I've given a few lectures at colleges, so I guess I could technically claim that
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I've taught at the university level, but it doesn't mean anything.
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Oh shit, Dan.
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You can get on Info Wars.
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The second issue that I have with his bio is that he specifies a major and a minor in
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terms of his PhD, which is a little bit bizarre.
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Typically that's the language that people use to discuss their undergraduate education.
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Whereas if you reach the graduate level in a doctoral program, you'd be unlikely to have
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a minor.
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You'd probably discuss your area of emphasis as a way of discussing, you know, your credentials.
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This just seems really, really weird.
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It sounds like what you would describe if you didn't get a PhD.
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Well, I was worried about that because it does seem like that.
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Yeah, or if you purchased one from somewhere outside of the United States, perhaps.
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Well, I was concerned, but I was able to find his dissertation, which was published in a
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1978 issue of the Journal of American History titled, quote, American Immigration to Australia
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1945 to the Present.
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So it does appear that he did complete a PhD program, but I'm not sure what this area of
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study has to do with qualifying him to be an expert in the New World Order.
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If you check out his bibliography, it's shockingly all weird books about the New World Order
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and not so many books about Australian immigration.
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That sounds about right.
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Anyway, Dennis Cuddy is still active as a conspiracy weirdo to this day, and it appears
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that he's been pretty pro-Trump, which raises an interesting question about why he's not
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still a figure on Alex's show.
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I thought maybe they didn't hit it off, but they get along pretty well.
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Interesting.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know what happened, but he's not a name that I recognize from any of the present
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day sections that we've covered.
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Maybe he just got out of the game.
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No, he's still in the game.
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Maybe he got out of Alex's game.
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Maybe he got out of the heat, yeah.
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Maybe he's just like, Alex is an asshole.
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That's probably the case.
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Anyway, this guy's got an interesting strategy to convince people.
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I know you can't discriminate.
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If you're a university Ph.D. program, you can't discriminate based on religious beliefs
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or ideology, but could you be sneakily like, hey, what if you wanted to go on Infowars?
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Would you go on Infowars?
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And if the answer is yes, they're like, ha, caught you, no Ph.D.
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To be fair, it was 76 when he got his Ph.D. and Infowars did not exist at that point.
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Alex was two years old.
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Look, you can't litigate ex post facto.
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I've heard that from somewhere.
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So look, we want to give you this degree, but there's a two-year-old over in Dallas
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and he's going to do something real weird.
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Look, if the devil has been aware of Alex Jones from the beginning.
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So I don't know.
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Anyway, Dennis has got this interesting trick that he uses because he wants to cut through
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the bullshit.
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Oh boy.
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Like, if people don't agree with him, here's how he cuts through the bullshit.
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This is sneaky.
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Let's hear it.
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How do we stop the New World Order?
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How do we educate the left and the right that they're really just part of a phony system?
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Well, the first thing, you have to crack through their predisposition to think you're a nut
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if you talk about conspiracy theories.
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And the best way to do that is, the way I do it is I set them up by saying, suppose
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I told you there was a power somewhere so complete, so pervasive, so interlocked, so
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watchful, you better not speak above your breath if you speak in condemnation of it.
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After they get finished laughing in my face for a while, I say, well, I didn't say that
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one of your heroes, Woodrow Wilson, said that.
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Now you've got the retention.
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First of all, I can't imagine how little I'd care about having a Woodrow Wilson quote
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snuck up on me.
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Oh no, my hero, Woodrow Wilson.
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Yeah, I think I would be like, boo!
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So secondly, and more importantly, what this guy's doing is misusing a quote from Wilson's
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Platform 1913.
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The full quote he's going from is, quote, since I entered politics, I've chiefly had
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men's views confided to me privately.
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Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture,
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are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something.
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They know that there's a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked,
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so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak
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in condemnation of it.
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If you continue reading, it's super clear that what Wilson's talking about isn't a spooky
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cabal of globalists, but the completely unregulated nature of industry and how people who have
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already amassed a certain amount of power can use that to stomp out people who are just
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getting started.
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From a little later in the text, quote, and this is the country which has lifted to the
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admiration of the world its ideals of absolutely free opportunity, where no man is supposed
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to be under any limitation except the limitations of his character and his mind, where there's
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supposed to be no distinction of class, no distinction of blood, no distinction of social
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status, but where men win or lose by their merits.
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I lay it very close to my own conscience as a public man, whether we can any longer stand
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at our doors and welcome any newcomers upon these terms.
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American industry is not free, as once it was free.
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American enterprise is not free.
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The man with only a little capital is finding it harder to get into the field, more and
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more impossible to compete with the big fellow.
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Why?
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Because the laws of this country did not prevent the strong from crushing the weak.
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Antitrust issues were a really big topic of politics in the 1910s, and that's why it was
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a plank in Wilson's agenda.
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He was clearly in favor of taking power away from monopolies and giving a better chance
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to smaller, up-and-coming businesses, and that's what this passage from his platform
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is all about.
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If you just take a look at the section that Cuddy is reading out of context, it could
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sound like they were saying there was a group of villains running the world or whatever,
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but if you take it within its proper context, you read something very different.
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He's just in favor of regulation.
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I...
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Oh, boy.
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You know, a guy who says that, who also made the black servants in the White House hide
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it whenever he walked by because he didn't want to see them.
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Not cool.
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Maybe if you say that and do that, like, you gotta go back in time and kill this guy.
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Look, I'm not here to litigate Woodrow Wilson's career.
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I'm taking the text.
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No, no, no, totally.
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I just can't hear it in my head and know that at the same time without losing my mind.
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I understand it.
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That's why you're here, because that reaction is difficult to have.
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Yeah, it's very difficult.
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But the reason I'm here is to explain why this person is misusing a quote.
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I understand.
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We're a great team.
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Yes.
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And I don't know if I can accept that he doesn't understand that context.
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I find that difficult to believe.
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The Cuddy.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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I find it difficult to believe that he would be able to read that quote, read further in
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the text, and not understand what this is about.
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Now, it's possible, and it's also possible that the depth of his research doesn't include
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the other paragraphs after this.
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Sure.
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I've seen this in some other text, in the same way that everybody in the right wing
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has not read Tragedy and Hope, they've only read stuff from like Skousen talking about
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Tragedy and Hope.
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Right, right, right, right.
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So it's possible that he has this second hand, this quote, and it sounds really good, and
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it's a way to freak normies out.
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Hey, check this out.
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But I don't know, I find it to be a problem for me to take him seriously.
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Anyway, they're talking, Alex and Cuddy, and one of the things I like is he's Dr. Cuddy,
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and that's Lisa Edelstein's character on House.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay.
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She's great.
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All right.
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Okay.
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So they're talking, and they get to a conversation about Bohemian Grove, and Alex has some more
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details about how unheroic his breaking in was.
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Okay.
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Let me bring this forward.
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Are you aware that I snuck into Bohemian Grove?
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Yes, sir, I've seen the video, very good.
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Well, I mean, I frankly couldn't believe it.
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I saw the news articles, the British media got me a map in, some of the code words from
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the spies inside, and I frankly believe I was actually allowed to sneak in there now
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that I look at it as part of a larger throw-it-in-our-face move.
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Oh.
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Okay.
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That certainly fits with, you know, like Ronson saying you were just allowed to walk in.
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Yeah.
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Huh.
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The story seems a little more dashing when he tells it now.
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Yeah.
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It's a little more humble back at this point.
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Interesting.
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Yep.
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Let me bring this mic down for this clip, because this pissed me off.
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So Alex is talking about Bohemian Grove, and he wants to bring up the satanic element of
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this.
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Sure.
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Right?
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You want to talk about their Satanists, and I'm like, hey, this is one of the big things
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I'm interested in 2003.
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Are you fighting the devil?
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Of course.
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We got to know.
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This pissed me off.
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How does the satanic element behind all this operate, you know, talk about the Illuminati,
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the history of this.
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Who are we really dealing with?
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Well, first, did you see any people running around naked there?
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It goes on for 15 days.
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I was there at the kickoff.
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David Gergen in the Washington Times said that they do indeed do that.
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Yeah.
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Spy Magazine admits that they ship in the male prostitutes.
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I didn't see that.
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I saw some weird behavior.
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I didn't show any, you know, I'm not going to go up and show old men and bank chairman
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with their.
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Well, I'm not going to.
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I saw some things.
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I saw mainly a strange urination ritual where two men walk up, pull their pants partially
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down and and then start urinating in front of each other.
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I didn't put that in the video.
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I'm guessing they were just drunk and they like peed on a bush.
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Yeah, that sounds more weird urination ritual.
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Ah, interesting.
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You know, I've come out of many a Cubs game before and thought, I got to get this weird
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urination ritual done real quick.
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Yeah, I've been to bonfire parties.
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They were just full of weird urination rituals.
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Hey guys, real quick, I'm going to take a walk over here and do my urination ritual
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real quick.
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Yeah, that's weird.
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But the thing that, the reason I'm pissed off by this is they don't get back to the
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initial question.
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Hey, they just get sidetracked by talking about peeing.
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It's like, God damn it.
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I wanted to know about the satanic element.
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That's why I'm, that's why I'm listening.
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It doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal if you're just going to get distracted with
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urination rituals.
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It's certainly not important enough to come back to immediately.
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So, um, this guy, Cuddy, um, prediction, uh, guy, he's a guy who knows things, he's read
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these documents and uh, boy, this, this, this, uh, take did not age well.
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The uh, the current situation with Iraq, what I tried to do there was say, uh, okay, if
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this power lead is in control of things and if there is a war, uh, military conflict in
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Iraq, what will happen?
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And I said, there's two possibilities.
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I said, if it's a staged war, it'll be over relatively soon, uh, with relatively few casualties,
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even from chemical or biological weapons.
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And that's basically what happened.
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So it's a staged war because it's over quick.
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You know, that's really comforting to know because I was worried that it was going to
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blow up into a thing that destabilizes the entire world.
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Yeah.
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This is bad thinking.
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So his other possibility is thinking is what it is.
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His other possibility is that it's a real war and, but everything that's happened would
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have happened differently if it was a real, it's like, this is just terrible.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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So that didn't like, it doesn't age well.
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Those who learn the past about Australian immigration are doomed to repeat the extra
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other past.
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Yup.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, one of Alex's big, uh, reasons to believe that 9-11 was an inside job, uh, is
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that they were running a drill.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Drills are very important to inside jobs.
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Yes.
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Man.
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This, this made me laugh really hard because Cuddy accidentally punctures a giant hole
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on that theory by trying to help Alex out.
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No one's asked any of these questions, have they?
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No one's asked why the AP reported that the CIA was doing a drill that morning of flying
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jets in the buildings in New York and DC quote their cover for why NORAD stood down.
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Uh, yeah, and that, uh, the same outfit, uh, had a similar drill the year before and nobody
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picked up on that either, but they had the drill that morning at that very time.
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That pause, that pause is great.
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That pause is staring daggers.
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That is a man who just got sliced to shreds with a glance.
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It's so important for the, uh, the theories surrounding the drills that they're not B
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drills regularly or similar drills that have happened in the past.
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And they do it every year and nobody picked up on it, Dan.
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Ugh.
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Oh, so bright and cheery, he's like, I'm so helpful.
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I love moments like that because I do think that as much as, you know, there's still a
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bunch of dumdums back then, there are people who are less on the same identical script.
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Like when you listen to these present day episodes, it'll be like Alex interviewing
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his fucking lawyers who are doing yes and games with him.
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It's basically just not only that, but Alex, everyone kind of knows to not like puncture
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anything or not to say anything that could be like, well, that's a reason why this doesn't
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make sense.
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And in this moment, that guy has just thought, thought that added to the conspiracy and in
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fact it actually blows it two shreds.
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Makes it look bad.
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He was like a retriever bringing you the paper after stepping in a pile of shit, walking
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through your door.
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And he's like, I'm so good.
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See, I brought you the paper and you're like, you, oh shit.
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So earlier Jordan, we learned that Dennis Miller is a big time socialist, huge socialist.
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But now it is time to play the game show that is taking the country by storm.
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Who is an ultra commie?
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Every episode.
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I mean, at this point it's almost like Dennis Hastert.
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I don't know.
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It could be anybody.
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Every episode so far in 2003, I think we've had Alex out somebody.
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There's a new ultra commie.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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So who's it going to be this time?
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They're dropping like flies.
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You think it's Hastert?
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No, I'm going to go with Condoleezza Rice.
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Interesting.
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Uh, you were starting out a little earlier with a, uh, development, a discussion on,
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um, Mr. Crystal.
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I don't know if you quite got to it.
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I'd like to hear the rest of what you were going to tell us about Mr. Crystal.
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Ultra commie.
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Don't tell me.
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Don't tell me.
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It's Billy Crystal.
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Ultra commie.
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All right.
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So yeah, we've got, uh, Michael Savage, Bill Crystal.
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That is what happens.
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That is what happens when you don't find Curly's gold.
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All right.
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You become an ultra commie because it's clear that the ruling class has taken the gold before
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you got there.
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Wrong.
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That's the rule.
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So earlier, um, we got distracted by, uh, urination rituals when Alex was about to talk
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about the satanic element.
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Sure.
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This is like a prank on me.
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I swear to God.
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If they can be industrialized as snow factories, people are going to accept being prison guards
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as their job.
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They're going to accept being tattletale squads.
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They're going to accept this.
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They say America is going to be a police state enslavement grid that produces propaganda
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for the world.
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They said that's what America will be.
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The armpit of Satan literally, uh, am I on, Oh my God.
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Okay.
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Uh, Alex's mic went off in the middle of him saying Satan literally.
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I know it is, it is a little bit of a tease.
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It's like, this isn't admissible.
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He could have said anything.
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He could have said anything, but you're like, he was going to say literally, literally.
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And you know what that means.
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I can't make this up.
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I'm going back into the past.
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I've been intrigued to see if he thinks that Satan is literal back then.
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His mic goes off in the middle of saying the word literal.
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Oh dude, you're a witch.
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It is.
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You're a witch.
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It's becoming troubling to me.
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The level of these coincidences.
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It is dangerous.
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Yeah.
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But it is also pretty funny that his mic just went off and his guest is like, what?
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What's going on?
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The only word that we needed to hear is the one word.
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And I needed him to expound on it more.
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You know?
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And then Mike's off.
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There we go.
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Anyway, this is a catastrophic problem that he's having.
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And economics and your job, and you're willing to have lower wages becomes more important
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to you than the old fashioned patriotism.
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Thank you for joining us.
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Thanks for joining us, Dr. Cutty.
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We'll be right back, folks.
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Thank you.
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Stay with us.
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Who boy.
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Oh man.
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Oh man.
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Something's bad.
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Yeah, that's not good.
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Yeah.
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It is.
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I mean, this does screw up my conspiracy theory to know that this kind of thing happens every
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year.
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That does, it does bother.
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It makes me worry.
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I don't know.
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I can't imagine.
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I just have to assume that it's like, well, it's 2003, he had bad tech back then.
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Yeah.
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But he kind of understands that he has bad tech back then.
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Yeah.
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He doesn't expect anything else.
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Sure.
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So like one of the things that I think is pretty cool about 2003 is like, that's a big
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problem.
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Yeah.
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You're on the radio, your mics just go completely out, your guest is left to try and tread water
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on his own, and then you got to go out to break.
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Yeah.
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And Alex deals with it gracefully.
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I'm down here in Austin, Texas, and we're hooked up with the folks at Genesis, and rarely
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does my little stereo line cut out to them right there at the end.
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It was cutting basically bring us out of break and I barely got back on in time to take us
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out of that little segment there, but good job getting me hooked back up.
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A lot of weird electronic stuff on my end.
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We got a lot of callers and I want to go to your calls.
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There's no like the globalists are trying to take us off air because we're too dangerous.
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There's no freaking out and leaving.
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He's laughing.
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You know, it's like, I got a tech problem.
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Yeah.
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I'm not a normal person responding to difficulties that would be expected.
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That's true.
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That is true.
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Now, admittedly, I will say that there is, that would give me certain justification for
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a larger reaction if, uh, say I'm having the same problems after spending $60 billion on
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a studio.
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You know, like if you're still having those problems, you should be angrier than if you
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have shitty tech.
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Yeah.
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No, I mean, it does make sense because then you really can't blame it at all on the tech.
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No, but it is on you.
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It is definitely on you because you have not solved the problem for sure.
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That outbursts that we see in the present day.
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It still is.
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It should be directed inwards as opposed to screaming at the staff and the, uh, the, uh,
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the audience.
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Yes, definitely.
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I just like, I just prefer to see this like, cause it's, it's not like a child lashing
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out, uh, uh, constantly.
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It's like, you have a huge problem that happens on your show and you're able to laugh and
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come back from break.
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Sure.
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Like, ah, good on him being able to take us out to break and handle it, you know, Hey,
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you know, sometimes Genesis feed goes down.
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What are you going to do?
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Sure.
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Let's go to the call.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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I mean, everybody likes the VH1 part of behind the music where there are the, they're on
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their meteoric rise, but they're just beginning and they're playing their show at the dumb
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bar down the street and little did everybody know what he was going to do.
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So, uh, yeah, this is fun to see.
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So Alex gets to talk in a more about, uh, the democratization in Iraq and the government
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that is coming in.
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It's going to be a good one.
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Well, we know from history that, uh, again, very shortly after this episode, uh, de-bathification
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happened.
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It was a good idea.
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Iraq, US reconstructing bath units, the most vicious bath CIA torturers, those trained
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in the U S all of Saddam's top henchmen, except for a few titular head, uh, go sacrificial
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lambs, uh, are going to be put back in control.
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So wrong.
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He's wrong.
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Wrong about that.
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Oh boy.
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Quite wrong.
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Yeah.
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So, um, it's, it's just interesting that he's, he's consistently going down this road and
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it does set up an like a weird, I don't know what's going to happen as you know, like May
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comes to an end.
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May continues.
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Like, how's he going to navigate that territory?
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It is ironic even that it is almost his exact opinion of the bath that was echoed in American
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policy while he's criticizing them in the idea that they would do the opposite of what
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they believe.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It is strange because the way he's presenting things, he doesn't really have a good leg
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to stand on to be opposed to de-bathification.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Once it comes along.
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Exactly.
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And I don't think he'll be willing to be strongly in favor.
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Certainly as things go along, I don't think he'll, he'll own the consequences.
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It didn't, it didn't go well.
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No.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, I would say that listening to this episode, there is very little, um, in terms
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of news stories.
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Sure.
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There is a little bit of like a couple of headlines thrown out here and there.
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He talks a lot about Richard Pearl, who he calls the Prince of Darkness.
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Sure.
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I think there's, he's obsessed with that dude because I've heard him talk about that dude
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in the present day.
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Really?
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Yes.
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Constantly.
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20 years.
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When he gets drunk on like a Rogan's show and stuff, he'll talk about Richard Pearl,
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the Prince of Darkness.
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He would go around, he'd go around at parties and tell women that like he kills people because
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he thinks it's hot.
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He thinks that that'll get him aroused and stuff.
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Okay.
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He won't be like, he brings up this dude a lot.
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All right.
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Anyway, it's, there's not a whole lot.
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I do like a lifelong grudge.
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That's admirable.
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Yeah.
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There's something almost noble about that.
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Do you think 15 years from now he's not going to be yelling about Stelter?
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Yeah.
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That's true.
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So, uh, Alex gets to the end of the show and he realizes, man, I didn't, I missed some
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stuff.
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Oh, there was so much news we didn't get to.
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More and more cities are passing pro bill of rights resolutions.
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A lot of conservative cities are doing it.
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I've got one on info wars.com.
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You ought to get to your city council or county commissioners and the man they pass it.
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So important to reaffirm the bill of rights.
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They can claim.
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We don't have any rights.
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They're still God given.
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We still have them in the Anton LaVey, Christian conservative, Neo con, the commie cons will
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be resisted, will be exposed with their little liberal buddies, totally staged.
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The people are waking up, millions of beginning to fight.
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You cannot stop us all.
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So have no fear.
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We shall prevail.
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Good God that was uninspired.
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Oh boy.
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That was boring.
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We shall prevail.
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Let's go on guys.
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This is before he started doing his Churchill impression.
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Hey, now we shall fight them on the sheet.
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We're going to, okay guys, we got to get up.
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Yeah.
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So Alex, Alex comes to the end of the show and realizes that he didn't cover most of
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the news as opposed to it happening an hour before the show ends.
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And then still no more news is covered.
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Um, but yeah, he has, he's got a minute and what he wants to really hit on is there are
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people reaffirming the bill of rights, which is very meaningful and important.
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It's not, this is just the same thing as in 2009, all the 10th amendment resolutions and
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stuff.
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It's like, yes.
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Okay.
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We have to have the state houses pass these things that say the same thing as the constitution.
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Like, I don't know, man, it's, it's.
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What, to what extent do they describe God given rights?
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You know, like, give me a biblical explanation of what rights God specifically gives us.
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Because I don't recall him writing the goddamn bill of rights.
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I don't know if it's derived directly from anything in the Bible, but this is, this is
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a pretty standard element of anti-communism.
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No, of course.
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They have this idea that communism seeks to outlaw religion and get rid of religion and
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in doing so you get rid of God and if you get rid of God, then there's no more justification
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for why people have rights because they're endowed by the creator.
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So therefore now you have no rights.
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Sure.
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Communism gets rid of God, which gets rid of rights, which makes you all slaves.
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That's where the important hinge is for the God given rights aspect.
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Right.
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No, no, I understand.
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I just, I just feel like if you want to win in the marketplace of ideas, you should kind
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of write down what rights you're peddling.
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Well, they did.
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And we'll compare them to the other thing.
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They did.
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It's in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution.
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It's those rights.
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Those aren't rights that are given by the Constitution, those are God given rights that
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are protected by the Constitution.
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Oh, oh, so it's even dumber than I thought it was.
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Sort of.
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Right.
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It's the same kind of, I don't know, it's an argument that you can run into a lot.
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It's the notion of like, does all morality stem from religion?
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Is ethics possible outside?
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Naturally.
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And I would argue that it is.
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Well, yeah, obviously.
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We have several thousand years.
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But there are those who think that no, morality and ethics are impossible outside of a religious
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framework.
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Right.
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And I don't know, I don't buy into that, but that seems to be kind of a kernel at the base
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of their idea, like Alex and a lot of his associates' conception of rights.
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No, I just didn't, I didn't quite understand what they were talking about.
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Because generally speaking, whenever people start talking about God, I appreciate it if
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they have some sort of biblical basis for it.
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It's just guns.
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Yeah, it does sound like it's just guns.
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Man, people love their guns.
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It was the 11th commandment.
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It's just, there's just, man, guns aren't, oh.
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The 11th commandment was, guns, baby!
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Guns, guns, guns, baby!
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Yep.
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And Jesus said to, at the last, one of you will betray me before the cock, with a fucking
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shotgun!
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So, we come to the end of this exploration of back in 18 years ago today.
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18 years ago today.
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What an interesting glimpse.
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This very night, 18 years ago.
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Such wrong ideas about what was gonna happen.
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Such misguided nonsense.
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Not good.
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A weirdo presented as an expert.
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That's pretty normal.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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And more evidence that Alex should sue Joe Rogan for using the word powerful.
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I think it's trademarked.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, I think you could get a, it'd be tough, though, to win a lawsuit whenever you've got
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that, oh, Alex just said, we're gonna play that clip of Alex saying he's gonna gut him
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like a pig, you know, like, how are you gonna win that kind of lawsuit?
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Free speech, man.
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Ah, that's fair.
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I'm infuriated by the, going to urination talk and the mic's cutting out right around
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when Satan was coming up.
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It's gonna be the armpit of Satan.
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I take that personally, a little bit.
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It's very funny.
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But I'm excited to see if the next couple episodes have anything that'll help clarify
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positions.
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It'd be more funny if somebody actually cut off the mic whenever he was about to say,
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literally like, we can't have that out there, boom, red button.
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Fred Anderson dives on that.
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Red button, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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He's up in Minnesota listening to The Feed's comic.
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I've never seen anybody move that fast.
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Yeah.
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We'll find out more in the future, but until next time, Jordan, we have a website.
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We do have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yes, we are also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at knowledgefight.com.
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I go to bed.
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Jordan.
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We're also on Facebook.
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We are Facebook.
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If you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people
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doing God's work.
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Yep, we'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark.
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I'm Daryl Rundis.
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And now, here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first-time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
