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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying, we are the bad guys, knowledge
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fight, knowledge fight, I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying, we are
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the bad guys, knowledge fight, Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight, Rattle Earth, Rattle Earth,
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Rattle Earth, need money, Rattle Earth, Rattle Earth, Andy and Kansas, Andy and, Andy, stop
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it, Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas, Andy and, Andy, it's time to pray, Andy and Kansas,
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you're on the air, thanks for holding us.
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Hello Alex, I'm a person calling with your Japan, I love your word, knowledge fight,
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knowledge fight, knowledgefight.com, I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about
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Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today?
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My bright spot today, Jordan, I think that one of the early bright spots when I moved
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into this apartment was that I had a junk drawer.
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Yes, that's true, yes.
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And to check back up on that, I'd like to make my bright spot today that I had my first
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real junk drawer moment.
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Where you were like, what the fuck did I put in here?
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No, I was like, of course I've got AA batteries.
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Oh no, not the junk drawer batteries moment.
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They've gotta be in there.
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You never win.
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I'm sure.
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You never win the batteries moment.
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So I was looking through the junk drawer and I found AAA batteries and no AA's it turns
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out.
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You are issued AAA's whenever you move in somewhere and nothing fits AAA's.
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They always, like AAA's just come in a pack that's too big.
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You don't need as many as you think you do.
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Yeah, we'll give you 30 AAA's for one remote control.
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Yeah, I was going through there, there's like pencils, pens.
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I'm like, oh, I got a deck of cards in here.
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How about that?
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Yeah, why not?
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Great.
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It's your old timey Batman forever deck of cards.
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You remember those?
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It was a nice moment.
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It really felt like it's complete.
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You're home.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't know if I feel home, but the drawer is fun.
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That's fair enough.
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How about you?
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Dan, my bright spot today is my support structure.
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My partner and you and the many people who helped me.
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It has been a very difficult few days between me and my brain.
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A week or so and not a good place to be.
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Sometimes my brain has been downright abusive towards me.
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Sure.
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So it is nice to have these amazing people in my life.
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Spoiler alert for the audience.
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I didn't talk to you at all yesterday.
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No, I know.
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I don't know what I did.
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You didn't do anything this year.
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Look, I mean, our employee boss relationship, I feel is strong.
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A rump.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So it is nice to have that.
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It's a huge bright spot for me because there have been times
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in my life where that support structure was not around and
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I was teetering on a knife's edge.
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So it is a huge bright spot.
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Well, I love you, buddy, and I'm glad that you're feeling
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better now.
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A little bit better, I assume.
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Let's do the show.
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Okay.
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And to sort of reverse the sort of, just because I'm
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uncomfortable by you saying such positive things, you know,
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you've really helped me a lot too as a support structure.
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So thank you.
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It's great.
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It's nice to be able to be in that position.
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Yeah, it's huge.
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Yeah.
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So Jordan, today we are going to, this is sort of like what
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we're doing today is also even kind of like my support.
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Okay.
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Self support.
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Okay.
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All right.
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As Open Mic Eagle would say, what the fuck is self care?
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This may be self care for me.
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And we'll get to it here in a moment.
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But before we do, we've got to take a little moment to say
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hello and shout out to some new wonks.
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So first, Jason B. also had a birthday recently.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks, Jason.
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And happy birthday to you.
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Also, BB.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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Also, BB just had a birthday recently.
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Turned 20 years old.
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How about that?
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Oh, my God.
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You're too young to listen to this show.
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Do you remember being 20?
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Oh, man.
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I don't.
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I mean, I literally don't.
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Congratulations, BB.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, BB.
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Next, Jared spelled J-A-R-O-D.
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BS.
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That's two initials, not bullshit.
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That's Jared B to the S.
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Yeah.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks, Jared.
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Unclear when his birthday is.
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If you are a policy wonk, please put your birthday in there just so we can give you
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a happy birthday whether you like it or not.
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Next, greetings from the city formerly known as Portland's anarchist jurisdiction.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Yeah.
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All of you, I suppose.
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Next, this is another person who had a birthday.
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On the 23rd, just missed it.
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Oh, that's close, though.
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But happy birthday, Cillian.
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You are now a policy wonk, as well as Janie, who is also now a policy wonk.
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But I don't know what Janie's birthday is.
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Anyway, Janie got in touch with us and wanted us to wish you a happy birthday, Cillian.
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Policy wonkery all around.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much to all of you.
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And while we're here, Killian Murphy, too.
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I think he had a birthday sometime.
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At some point.
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Yeah.
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And finally, Prop Comic Sans, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Prop Comic Sans.
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Good times.
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Yes.
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Now, Jordan, what we're doing today is...
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I've got a question for you.
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What's that?
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Do you like apples?
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Um...
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So what do you think about them apples?
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Okay.
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All right.
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Today, Jordan, what we got on our plate is I have found these old Alex Jones episodes.
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I've found episodes dating back to 2003.
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All right.
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And I have...
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So, how do you like them apples was relevant at the time, is what you're saying.
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Well, it was still out of date.
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It's a little bit late.
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It's still out of date, but okay.
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I found episodes going back to 2003, and I find Alex almost insufferable and very boring
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in the present day.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to ignore him in the present day, but I also don't want to be doing a show
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that is constantly just looking at him in the present day.
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Yeah.
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Because I find that to be dumb.
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I think it's worthwhile as a sort of social thing.
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Totally.
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But as an intellectual exercise, I don't really care all that much about listening to a guy
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constantly say he's fighting the devil.
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Totally.
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And then I'm supposed to take it seriously and be like, well, actually the devil started
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as an idea.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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I have no interest.
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I imagine that the audience does get a little bit bored with, I didn't listen to the third
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hour.
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It was too boring.
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So yeah.
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And a lot of times I did listen to it and I just say, okay, who cares?
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There's nothing in there.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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Yeah.
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We will obviously still be talking about the present day, but for today I needed to go
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back as far back as I could.
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So today we are going to be talking about May 1st, 2003.
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Ooh.
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Is that when Christopher Lloyd guested?
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No.
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Christopher Lloyd, no guests on this episode.
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No guests.
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Okay.
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This episode is amazing for a number of reasons.
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There's a couple of things that blew my mind.
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Okay.
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I am convinced I'm a witch now.
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All right.
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And also I just, I, it's, it's a new day.
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It's a new day from 20 years ago.
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I find myself like getting these reinvigorations through like whenever I can find these old
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time frames to look back on.
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It really is recharging of my batteries and it's, it's, it's man.
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I like it.
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So Jordan, we start May 1st, 2003.
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Do you remember 2003 much?
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Do you remember what was going on in May?
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No, I told you, I don't remember.
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The Iraq war had just ended.
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Oh boy.
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Did we just mission accomplish?
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That was that day.
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That was that day.
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You are a witch.
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May 1st.
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You are a witch.
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May 1st, 2003 was the day that George Bush landed on the, uh, the aircraft carrier with
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the mission accomplished banner.
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VI day as we all know it now.
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Yes.
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Victory was upon us.
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Um, and so, Hey, here's Alex and the, we're going to find out a number of things.
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Some of the things that are really interesting to me and I'm most excited to learn about
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are things like how is Alex Jones's opposition to Bush and the Iraq war?
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How does it exist when Bush is in office?
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Right.
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How can we look at that through the prism of history in the context of knowing how he
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behaves in more generally as a pattern, how can we apply that to this source of material?
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And so it's interesting anyway.
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I believe you.
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Did you know that the new world order has a plan?
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It's how many years behind 18 years ago, it's coming into play.
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Okay.
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We are now following the exact model used by dictators to intensify their hold on population
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on populations.
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Whether it was bill Clinton or George W. Bush, the agenda of the new world order is spiraling
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out of control.
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Years ago, I read a Pensacola news journal article that is on info wars.com.
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And one of our press releases about how during a red alert, you won't be able to leave your
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house and have any rights.
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You have a link to it in that story, the Marines took over the school and announced, this is
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Marshall law.
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Bill Clinton wants you to know what Marshall law is about.
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Bill Clinton wants you to know what Marshall law is about.
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I don't care.
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Immediately.
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I'm listening to this and I'm like, this dude is doing a voice.
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Yeah.
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I, I wanted to, I wanted to, he's performing.
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This is so weird because I was, I was literally writing down, like, I don't know how to describe
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it, but he sounds fatter.
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I think it has something to do with the way he's filling up his arms with air.
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I think he's doing a bit of a rush Limbaugh impression.
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Oh yeah, totally.
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And I think that rush Limbaugh has a sound better.
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Yeah.
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I, I, it's just, it's remarkable.
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It sounds like a guy who thinks he's, you know, he knows he's doing radio totally.
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And, uh, God, it just, it's refreshing.
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Somebody trying.
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It's amazing.
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But apparently the, the globalist plan was falling apart back then to constantly falling
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apart.
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It's like when you're, it's like when you're on a ship, you're constantly rebuilding the
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ship as you sail.
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That's how it's always worked.
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Is it?
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Yeah.
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Oh, I don't want to sail.
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Don't sail.
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It's really hard.
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So I can't find the original article that Alex is talking about from the Pensacola news
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journal, nor can I find articles about it on info wars and their archives.
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However, I did find a geo cities level website that's copied and pasted what's supposedly
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this article.
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So I'm going to go off of that.
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Okay.
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Reading the article, you can tell that what was going on there was a situation where this
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school called Hobbs middle school, it was part of a partnership with Whiting field,
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Naval air station.
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And, uh, the, uh, enlisted people coming to the school.
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It was part of them volunteering to help teach for a day.
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Yeah.
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They did this very basic presentation as if the military was in charge of the school to
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help the students better understand the issues that were facing the civilians in Kosovo at
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the time, as is clearly laid out as being effective in the article quote, one of Whitfield
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students, Julie McCool said the presence of the military personnel in her school made
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the news she'd been watching from Yugoslavia seem a little more real.
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Sure.
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Which is great.
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It achieves an impactful lesson for the students.
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I mean, personally, I don't think any military should go anywhere near a middle school, but
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that's, that's just me.
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I mean, I assume that they weren't like, Hey, let's become fascist, but you know, what are
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you going to do?
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Right.
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I mean, the idea of making the news real, uh, or helping the students understand it.
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Totally.
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There's a value to that.
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Totally.
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If you were growing as far as like hitting the kids with the butt of a gun, then I'm
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out.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to, I mean, I, yeah.
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And I think that there also to sort of what you're saying, I think that, you know, I wouldn't
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be in favor of things that are basically like PR work for the armed forces directed at schools.
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That would kind of be a huge thing for me.
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I don't like that.
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I've been a Miyazaki fan for a long time and the military teaching children it's okay to
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be in the military is a big deal.
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I, from, from the article I, what I was getting from it is not so much that they were teaching,
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uh, that it's cool to be in the military, but it still has the effect of rubbing off
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and like maybe turning these people into icons that you look up to.
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Totally.
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Yeah.
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I can also see though, like how this kind of an activity could be a really positive,
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uh, as an educational tool for the students.
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So I'm kind of, I don't really have a position on it.
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On the one hand, it could have the effect of making these youths think that the army
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is super cool, but on the other hand, it also has the potential to open up the students
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to things they wouldn't have the chance to experience otherwise.
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For instance, from this article quote, last year, students from Hobbs and SS Dixon primary
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school communicated via email with a coast guard Lieutenant on a cruise bound for the
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South Pole and had a video teleconference with their friend once she got there.
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That could be a really neat opportunity for students to learn directly about all sorts
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of things in a way that's much more real than reading about the South Pole in a book.
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And that could be a positive thing.
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Yeah, sure.
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What's it like on the boat?
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Have you ever seen a man die?
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We have to keep rebuilding.
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You've never seen a man die before.
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I've seen two men die in my arms.
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Also, it's important-
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I don't know where that voice came from.
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That was a weird voice.
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Yeah, that was a weird voice.
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My bad.
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That's a 2003 voice.
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Sorry about that.
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Also, it's important to keep in mind that these are middle school students.
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I would be opposed to this being done with an elementary school since I don't know how
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well second graders could process any of this.
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Totally.
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That's how you get Alex Jones.
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Yeah, but by middle school, the kids should be exactly at the point where this could be
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a great experience for them.
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They're not too young to process it and not too old to think that it's really dumb once
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they're in high school.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think this is an article from March 1999, so it's nice to see that even in 2003, Alex
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doesn't deal with new news.
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I kind of was thinking it's 2003 and we're listening about Clinton and Kosovo, and while
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I do think that that is a very important historical thing for us to learn, it's the Iraq War!
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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And if you're talking about militarization of police post 9-11, obviously, certainly
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a topic worth conversing about, but if one of the things that you're leading the show
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with is like the military coming into a school in Pensacola, like that was pre-9-11.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You just need to, there's better ways to do this.
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You used to be able to just walk on a plane.
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Whenever the military was at this school, you could walk onto a plane.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So that story from the past is being woven in with a new headline Alex has read about.
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Now I have this article, Fox News.
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Young Marines teach kids discipline integrity, and it turns out it's an anti-drug, anti-gun
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program, and they teach the kids if they join the globalists they get to have guns, if not,
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it's over.
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It's all part of pure evil.
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So this doesn't really relate at all.
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No, it doesn't sound like it.
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That four-year-old story was about a day when military, uh, volunteers, they created an
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educational experience at a middle school.
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This is more or less just a press release about a youth program run by former Marines.
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The Young Marines is basically a more discipline-focused version of the Scouts, and it's run by the
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Marine Corps League, which is a social organization for former Marines.
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They basically put kids in boot camp-like conditions and have them eat MREs in order
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to build strength and discipline.
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From everything I can tell, it's definitely an anti-drug program, but I did not get the
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sense that it's anti-gun.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I would have hated being in this group, and I think it seems kind of fucked up, but the
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only way anyone's going to go to it is if they and their parents agree to take part
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in it, so I'm not going to spend too much time complaining about their choices.
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Yeah, you guys do what you do.
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I don't have time for it.
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The Iraq War is just going on.
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It's frankly, the Iraq War is just beginning.
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When that Mission Accomplished sign up was the beginning of the Iraq War.
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No it did not.
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No it did not.
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That was way back when.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Oh man, we really thought we were going to get out of there, Dan.
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I don't know if I thought that back then.
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I absolutely did not.
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I thought these guys were going to fuck everything up and we were all going to die.
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So Alex is above the political divide, the left-right paradigm.
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Sure.
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All this stuff.
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Talking about Clinton in 2003.
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He's above the left-right paradigm.
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48's Bush too.
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True.
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Now, here's where things get a little muddy.
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Oh, I got news of conservative states gun-grabbing all across the country.
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Wait until you hear about this, again, conservatism now is a byword for big government, no freedom,
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condoms, abortion, everything.
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Everything?
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They are ultra-liberals, they are winning the war, destroying America because the liberals
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learned how to dress up like conservatives.
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It happened, folks, it happened.
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It's pretty illuminating to me because it's really the core of Alex's fake presentation
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of being above two-party shit.
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He's presenting a position where the conservatives out there are actually secret liberals, which
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is why the two parties don't matter, because they're both not far enough to the right.
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Therefore they're actually the same thing.
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That's what his being above the two-party system is.
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Yeah, I'm above the two-party system because I want to destroy them and institute a theocracy.
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What don't you understand?
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It would be fine for Alex to just openly advocate that he feels alienated by politics because
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he's way far to the right of anything that exists in polite society.
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But even in 2003, he knows that's not going to appeal to a wide audience, so he plays
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the game of being like, oh, the left and the right is a lie, and you know why?
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If you actually are conservative, you've got to be an extremist to the right because these
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really hardcore right-wing people are actually secret liberals.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That makes sense.
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Great.
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So, at this point, there was talk of the need for the provisional government in Iraq sorting
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out how to set up a system there once we were to withdraw, which as we know from living
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in 2021 didn't go great.
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Well, it turns out that crony capitalism combined with colonialism does not work out well for
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anyone.
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Isn't that crazy?
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U.S. reported to push for Iraqi government with Pentagon prevailing, and they are appointing
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the members of the Ba'ath Party, the torture lords and others trained in the U.S. in the
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80s and the 70s, all CIA, of course.
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They are another easy victory for them.
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They're going to be running things.
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And we'll get to that for you as well.
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I don't know how to read Alex's tone there.
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I really don't know what, he's being facetious, or?
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Yeah, I was going to say.
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There's kind of a smugness to it more than a facetiousness.
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I mean, they hadn't really announced de-Ba'athification at that time, did they?
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That's what I'm talking about.
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Did they?
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No, no.
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It's a couple weeks after this.
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Oh yeah, that's what I was saying.
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But yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.
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I was like, does Alex not know that that's a major thing that ends up happening?
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And it's a major thing that ends up contributing to the massive destabilization in Iraq.
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So is he being facetious in such a way that these idiots are trying to get rid of the
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Ba'ath Party, or is he actually thinking that the Ba'ath Party is what's going to continue
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going on?
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Well, I think that based on the context that I've gleaned from listening to the rest of
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this episode, I believe that Alex thinks that the CIA is running the Ba'ath Party and all
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the people with Saddam and all this, like Saddam was allowed to get away to some island
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somewhere.
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Okay, okay.
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How did that work out?
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How did that prediction work out?
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Didn't go great.
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Didn't go great?
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Didn't end up correct.
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He was in a hole.
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But he, Alex, I think he thinks that the Ba'ath Party loyalists and folks who the CIA were
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trained up and all this will pretend that they weren't part of the Ba'ath Party or whatever,
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and then they will become the people who are the puppets for the US within Iraq moving
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forward.
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Okay, so he didn't assume that the CIA would betray them like they always do?
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I think that that's where he's going.
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And that actually is one of the things that I, when I was listening to this, I'm like,
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that's actually something I really want to track.
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I'm interested to see how Alex's tone goes during the Ba'athification.
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Yeah, that is interesting.
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Because should he be for or against it?
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I don't know.
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That's a really good question.
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That requires a nuance that Alex is absolutely incapable of now.
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2003, Alex, I think is still incapable of it, but I'm interested to find out.
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Because at this point, it seems like he's opposed based on this to the Ba'ath Party
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members being allowed in the government.
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Yes, right.
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But then, based on his political ideology, he should be super against how the blanket
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banning of Ba'ath Party members from all sorts of positions of influence went down.
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Yeah.
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It just seems like he can't possibly be for either.
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Yeah.
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What would, what could possibly, oh, oh, I know what could, the only thing that Alex
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could be for is like, we forced all of them to believe in Jesus as their Lord and Savior
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now.
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I'm not coming at this with too much of a 2021 Alex Jones.
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You're right, but I'm bitter and angry.
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What am I supposed to do, Dan?
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I understand, but we have to look at this through, like, obviously you can't have perfectly
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naive eyes.
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Sure.
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But you have to, you have to look at this as like a different, a different time frame.
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As a different person.
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It's a different person.
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Well, it's the same person.
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Well, it's the same person.
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And you'll see a lot of similarities.
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Okay, well see, now this is why I'm bitter and angry.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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One of the things I noticed while I was listening to this is that he is definitely way more
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doing a radio show and he goes to calls and then he'll get back to a story and then later
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get back to some calls.
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Like he jumps around like a lot of normal talk radio shows do.
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It's a radio show.
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And he, he's just doing a fucking rush impression.
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Like this is outrageous.
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You go to places where you can't go and buy a gun and have one in your house legally and
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lawfully.
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You got a lot of crime.
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Crime!
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Now that's a fact, ladies and gentlemen, that cannot be ignored or avoided.
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And we know that when a state has a low threshold of gun control, where you have more liberty
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and some semblance of a second amendment left, you have the lowest crime rates.
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Because even a crackhead or junkie won't invade your home when you're there because they know
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there's a 50-50 chance they're going to get killed.
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So I just, I heard that and I was just like, this is just Alex doing an impression of right-wing
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talk.
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That's not Alex.
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That's brutal.
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Yeah.
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And that sort of more guns is less crime kind of thing.
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That's a talking point we've covered exhaustively because he talks about it all the time throughout
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all of his career.
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Yeah.
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It's not true.
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But when I was listening to this, I felt like I can see how someone would hear that and
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believe it.
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Yeah.
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And it kind of intuitively makes sense that why, if I were a criminal, why would I risk
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going somewhere where someone has a gun as opposed to somewhere where someone doesn't
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have a gun?
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Sure.
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That makes intuitive sense.
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And if you have someone like Alex saying this authoritatively and almost sort of mocking
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the alternative, why wouldn't you just assume, why this guy knows what he's talking about?
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It makes sense.
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Yeah.
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But you know, sometimes intuitive things are incorrect and this is one of them.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, it's the same way that people think about the death penalty of like, well,
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if the consequence is so high, then that should act as a deterrent in the same, you know,
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it's it makes sense to the macro where it's like, well, obviously we're not getting into
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a nuclear war because of mutually assured destruction.
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So that's a deterrent against doing that.
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But they, you know, you're fucking hungry, man.
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You know, like that's, that's a bigger deal than whether or not you're researching the
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possibility that this home you need to do it, you know, like that kind of thing.
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Yeah.
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It doesn't make sense in the micro level.
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No.
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Yeah.
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That's a, that's a good way to put it.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, George Bush, how would you describe his politics like on the spectrum of right
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to left?
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Um, ooh boy, I would put him in the, the, the like, not far right, not center, right.
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That sweet spot of like, yeah, I want to kill everybody, but I want them to think I'm nice
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while I do it.
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Would you call him conservative?
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Uh, compared to now?
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Yes.
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Well, you're wrong on all counts.
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Oh, okay.
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Bush isn't conservative.
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His cabinet isn't conservative.
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They are the most socialistic creatures ever seen in U S history, but they're just puppets
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carrying out the agenda.
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If you had Al Gore in office, things would be worse than it was under Clinton and whoever's
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in office next, it's going to be worse than under George W because of their puppets, their
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front man.
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Yeah.
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So he's a super socialist.
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Yeah.
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He's a super socialist.
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He's the most socialistic creature in history and all of Bush's cabinet too.
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Okay.
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All right.
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All right.
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Uh, Oh boy, that's not good.
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That cabinet.
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See now that's, that's a cabinet filled with pure psychopaths.
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That's the thing about George W. Bush.
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I don't think he gave a shit.
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I think he just filled this cabinet with a shit ton of psychopaths who wanted to murder.
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Let's see if we can surround this team.
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Just get it full of weirdos.
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Yeah.
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Four out of at least at least four of the people in George Bush's cabinet had personally
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strangled a person, you know, like that kind of level of psychopathy excited to see the
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2004 election happen.
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Anyway, this next clip I think is, is, is wild because Alex is talking about how he
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doesn't feel bad for Saddam, which obviously I guess that means that he doesn't feel bad
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that Saddam's missing or out of power.
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It's hard to feel bad for Saddam, but Alex, based on things he says later, I think he
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thinks he's on an Island somewhere.
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So I mean, obviously don't feel bad for him.
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Well, I mean, it's not like Saddam was Napoleon where they're like, okay, we got to exile
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you.
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That's our solution to this problem.
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And then Alex gives a voice to some stuff that I can actually get, you know, appreciate
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that is that he feels bad for the citizens in Iraq, the people in the, on the ground
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who are being affected by this stuff.
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But if you pay attention to this, this, this is one of these indications that you can get
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that Alex, even this empathetic kind of vibe that seems really grounded and decent is actually
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rooted in just fervent anti-government sentiment.
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Of course, Saddam is a bucket of trash, of course, he's evil.
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The CIA hired him folks in 58 as a hit man, told him to invade Kuwait.
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I mean, yeah, he's a bad guy, folks.
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So I'm not sad for Saddam.
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I am sad for the Iraqi people that are being mowed down in large piles by the hundreds.
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If they dare to protest and one child throws a rock, I am sad for the US citizen, the young
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college girl unarmed, run over by a bulldozer.
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He then savagely backed back over her in the giant armored army bulldozer.
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I am sad for the AP and Reuters cameramen that are being shot by Israeli snipers in
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the head as they wear vests that say press.
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I am sad for the police officers killed by their own SWAT team members.
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I am sad for the people being shot down by corrupt cops and having guns planted on them.
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I am sad, ladies and gentlemen, for the people being abused by government worldwide.
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It's all in service of just strong anti-government positions.
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Yeah, I don't see him caring as much now about the hundreds of millions that were slaughtered
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by the United States government.
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But you know, what are you going to do?
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No, I can't expect him to continue caring about these people.
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It's over after today.
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Yeah, and that's part of the reason that I think it's really interesting, because he's
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saying a lot of the things that are right, but it doesn't feel like it comes from a place
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of any solid center to it.
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It doesn't feel like it's based on intrinsic belief as much as it is on... well, I guess
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it is, but the intrinsic belief is opposition to government.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm a little bit taken aback because it seems like I want to say that this is a slicker
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show already.
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A little bit.
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I mean, that's because I was just completely out of control in the present day.
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Exactly, but it's hard to like, oh, well, see, just because he's...
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I would say it's almost more disingenuous by being a slicker show.
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Yeah, I agree with that, and I think that that's part of the reason why I feel reinvigorated
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by this, because I can see how someone would believe it.
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I can see how someone listening to a clip like that could be like, yeah, this guy gets
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it.
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He does get it.
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That is fucked up that US troops are killing civilians overseas.
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That is fucked up.
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And that is the way that Alex baits the hook to get people to fall into his anti-government
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shit.
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Totally.
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No, it seems reasonable.
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It's fascinating.
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It's so disingenuous and so evil, just evil, you know, to hide your like, I'm a Joan Bircher
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behind like, hey, it's wrong to kill civilians, because his answer is, yeah, it's wrong to
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kill civilians until I want to.
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You know, it's that kind of situation.
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And he just leaves out that last part, which in the present day, he kind of leaves it in.
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Yeah, he mostly leaves it in.
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Yeah, he mostly leaves it in now.
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So we'll get to a lot more of this like overt trickery, because I think you see some pretty
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stark examples of it later on.
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And actually, the John Birch Society comes up later in an interesting way.
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But before we get there, Alex has another headline.
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This is about Tom Ridge, Homeland Security, wanting to institute an ID system for livestock
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due to a concern largely about the vulnerabilities within the food chain, the ability to know
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if there's a diseased cattle somewhere that causes blah, blah, blah.
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So Alex reads this headline, and apparently it's all about like more taxes or something.
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Ridge favors national ID system for livestock.
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Do you know how bad this is?
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A whole layer of government bureaucracy in your life, harassing you, taxing you, oh yes,
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a whole new bureaucracy knowing everything you've got.
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Your cats, your dogs will be pigs, sheep, goats, cows, horses, a whole layer of tax.
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You'll have a registration fee every year on your animal.
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Why don't you keep the homeland and the food supply safe?
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Seems to be mocking the idea of protecting the food supply.
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Now that's interesting, because that does fit the tone of some of the rest of his coverage
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throughout the show.
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But what it doesn't fit is the tone of one of his commercials.
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Are you prepared?
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Seems that more terrorism on our soil is inevitable.
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Chemical attacks, biological, nuclear, who knows for sure what dangers lie ahead for
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America.
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Recent articles have pointed to vulnerability in our agricultural industry.
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An attack on our food supply would be devastating.
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Jerry Guadetti from the ARC Institute has been alerting people to this very real possibility
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for years.
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Yeah, so it's so weird.
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Okay, all right.
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I can see how conflicting messages would cause problems for early listeners to the show.
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I was listening to this and it seemed very bizarre.
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It's like, okay, your editorial's out of sync with your advertising at this point.
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That's why you're not raking in the cash.
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That could be an issue.
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Yeah.
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That could be a problem.
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Very weird.
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Ted Anderson is still selling crap to his show.
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That's a survival seed company, so obviously it would be in their best interest from an
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advertising perspective to drum up the fears of the damage to the food chain and the food
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supply.
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Meanwhile, Alex has an interest politically in painting that as more government and more
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taxes.
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Of course.
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They're going to tax your cat.
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He says, loving ice.
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So I don't know, man.
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When you were in school, do you like playing games at recess?
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Yeah.
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Did you ever play foursquare?
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Sure.
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Foursquare was great.
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No black magic, no cherry bombs.
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No black magic.
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If you threw a cherry bomb, you're out.
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You're kicked out because then you have to chase after the ball.
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I don't even remember what any of that means, but I remember exhaustive conversations.
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There were a lot of rules.
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That was the beginning of when you first find out about the kid who's like, oh no, he's
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going to take his ball, isn't he?
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He's going to take his ball.
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Oh shit.
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Now we don't know how.
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Now we have nothing to play with.
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I remembered the conversation of rules more than I remember foursquare itself.
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Totally.
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Well, here's the good news.
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Foursquare is still legal.
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However, dodge ball has been banned.
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All over?
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Maybe you haven't heard, but it's been on television.
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I know schools right here in Texas, parents right here in Texas that have called in on
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the show about it.
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It's been in the news.
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Dodge ball has been banned almost nationwide.
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I remember our favorite game.
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In fact, the girls, the, you know, the kids that weren't that big, the runts, everybody
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loved dodge ball.
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I mean, everybody would hooray to play it.
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Everyone loved it.
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And you know, if somebody didn't like it, that's the way sports are.
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That's the way PE should be when you're six years old, seven year old, eight year old,
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10, 12, usually play, I guess when you're about 10 or 12, they banned it.
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And then I read a report about a month ago where they arrested kids, two or three of
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them, criminal charges of assault because they would meet before school.
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I remember doing stuff like this, but we would, we would wrestle, we would wrestle and knock
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our teeth out and break our noses and the coaches would come around and go, you guys
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watch it.
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You're going to get hurt.
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Do that on the mats with your head gear.
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Get in here.
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I'm giving you a SWAT.
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You know, you'd, they'd take you to the nurse and fix your lip and you'd get a pop for wrestling
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without head gear.
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But the point is now the kids will secretly get behind the school with their dodge balls.
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Just a little bit of freedom.
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I can't find any stories about students getting arrested for pre-school hours, dodge ball
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games.
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That's such a, I hate those.
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I hate that shit so much.
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Like one, it seems silly now not to realize that dodge ball at that age is essentially
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a way to facilitate bullying.
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Yes.
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It's like, I'm happy playing a dodge ball as an adult.
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That makes perfect sense.
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We all know the game.
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We're all doing a great job as a kid.
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You're just like so many guys just picked on the smallest, like Alex is like, everybody
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loved to play the game.
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He wasn't the runt.
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Yeah.
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I think it is a game that can get abusive and I understand people not wanting to play
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it and they shouldn't be forced to play it.
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Totally not.
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But I guess if people want to play during recess, I don't, I don't believe, I can't,
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I don't believe that it's been banned almost nationwide.
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There aren't arrests happening if you play dodge ball, but I do think it's interesting
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the different way that Alex is talking about his school days violence here in 2003, very
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less dark, much less dark.
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At no point in time did I hear him say he stomped a guy's guts out.
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Yeah, no, if we take the present day understanding of Alex's former violent tendencies where
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he murdered a couple people.
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Yeah.
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A little bit different.
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It seems weird that he'd be sitting here in 2003 laughing whimsically about.
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Come on.
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We used to have little scrapes back in the day.
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Now granted I murdered.
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I did kill him.
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I did kill him.
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I hate those fucking stories so much of like, Oh, when I grew up, we used to go out back
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and we'd get hit with a switch if we got in trouble and we turned out fine.
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And you're like, you guys are all legitimately insane.
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Everything you believe is nonsense.
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You did not turn out fine.
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Do not tell me that story and then not connect it to your violent present.
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And that's why they're banning dodge ball.
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Of course.
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Now, do you think anyone has been arrested for this is going to, this is, this is a trivia
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question that is a very important, all right.
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Do you think anyone's been arrested for musical chairs?
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Yes, absolutely.
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30 to 40 people at a time daily.
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You've probably heard.
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They're making a musical chairs.
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You can't play musical chairs.
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Now there haven't been a rest made for musical chairs for secretly playing dodge ball or
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tag.
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I forgot.
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Tag too has been banned.
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Tag you get arrested for playing tag.
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Then why the hell did you bring?
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Bring up tag!
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You did!
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Yeah, I know.
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But why did you bring?
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No arrests for musical chairs.
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I would like statistics on that.
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Does the FBI publish musical chairs related arrests?
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Yeah, it's from the Bureau of Statistics.
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Does the ATF also take care of that?
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I mean, I feel like as I recall musical chairs can get a little bit physical, but it's not
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supposed to.
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Like if some kid is fighting with somebody over a chair, that's a behavioral issue.
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Everybody goes, okay, well we gotta deal with this now.
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This was unintended.
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This is not part of the game.
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So Alex is pretty deep into a conversation about what you can and can't do at schools
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and how the government is cracking down.
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Oh, that government.
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Now they have gone too far.
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Well here it is.
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Banned on campus, boys talking to girls, World Net Daily, elementary students protest restriction
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after showing public signs of affection, sixth grade girls protest, photo heralded news newspaper,
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and it shows dozens of young sixth grade girls with signs saying, allow us to talk to boys.
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Smiling, attack on the shoulder, could lead to criminal charges.
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Okay, everything's criminal now.
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So that's a good story.
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How are we still doing this?
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So this is a story out of Portland, a Peterson Elementary School in specific.
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What happened was that there was a teacher at the school who witnessed some non-specified
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public displays of affection at recess and decided as a preventative measure that they
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needed to disallow girls and boys from talking during recess.
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Obviously this is taking things a little bit far, but also Alex is completely blowing this
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story out of proportion, pretending that if a boy talked to a girl he'd get arrested on
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criminal charges.
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That's totally made up, because I suspect even Alex knows that talking about this story
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on the merits of it might come off as a little desperate in terms of trying to make your
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audience outraged.
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Little silly.
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Honestly, he's missing the forest for the trees here, and there's a much, much better
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story to be told.
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That is the story of Sarah Maines and Hannah Guerrero, two 12-year-old girls at the school
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who took issue with the rule that got made and protested against it.
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Sarah and Hannah straight up formed a student committee, studied the school's rules, and
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figured out the proper steps to get a complaint heard.
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They got all the protesting student's parents to sign off on letting them demonstrate, then
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held a protest to have their complaint heard.
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Sarah's mother puts it so well in this article from the Herald and News, quote, I'm so proud
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of my daughter.
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The hardest part was to walk into that school after protesting like that.
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She stood up for herself.
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I think she learned something important.
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It's heartwarming.
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Yeah, it is nice to know that no matter what era we're in, it is a universal rule that
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children are way better people than adults by a wide margin.
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Also, the principal of the school said, quote, no disciplinary action would be taken against
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the protesters, and he's willing to hear any complaints from students and parents.
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What you basically have here is a situation where a teacher possibly and probably over-reacted
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to something that they were right to be concerned about.
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This led to an overly broad rule being put in place, which got students to become active
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in opposition to it.
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These kids learned how to appropriately and effectively have their voices heard, how to
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present an argument through proper channels to power.
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It's honestly an amazing story, and I'm so impressed by these kids.
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Yeah, it really is an amazing story.
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What a bunch of dicks.
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This story that is really inspirational is absent from coverage in places like Infowars
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because the story isn't real to Alex.
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It's a prop, and for this to be an effective prop, he has to distort details to make it
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something the government was doing to these kids, as opposed to an iffy administrative
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decision.
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It makes me kind of sad because the Infowars audience is deprived of hearing this story
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about students getting involved in direct civic action solely because focusing on that
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too much makes it clear that this whole thing about flirting becoming a criminal act is
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complete bullshit, and that bullshit is how he keeps the audience engaged and outraged.
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Well, I mean, the story is essentially a microcosm of the people taking on the government exactly
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like Alex would want them to do theoretically, however, that would be bad for his audience
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to actually take civic action to change things because then he would run out of money.
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Yeah, the students who were protesting here didn't try and change the government by sending
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money to a blowhard student in the class.
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There wasn't one student in the class who yelled a whole bunch.
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Yeah, exactly, and then they were like, I'll take care of it for you.
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I'm the tip of the spear going against this teacher here.
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Send me money.
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If one student had written a pamphlet that it was selling, yeah, that would be who Alex
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is.
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Behold the teacher's horse.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Oh, she's just in it for the apples.
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How does this still work?
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I think that's why I'm a little depressed about going back to 2003 because how do adults
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still get caught up in this bullshit?
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Look at this.
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It's the same story that we're hearing about now.
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Yeah, it is.
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It's the same story.
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It's the same shit, and adults are still, at no point in time, are they like, oh, have
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I heard this exact same thing 20 years ago and I'm fine?
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Well, yeah, but I think that you forget.
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The war on Christmas happens every year.
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Sure, sure, that's true.
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I think it's one of the evergreen things about-
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The Iraq war happens every year.
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I think it's one of the evergreen things about the right-wing media ecosystem.
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These complaints that somehow all the kids are being softened at school or whatever,
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it's just something that will never not elicit a reaction from that audience.
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Yeah, no, of course, because if they were to hear that the kids weren't fighting at
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all, they were learning, using their words, organizing, and then making a real change
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in the world, that would not fit in with their, these kids are soft argument.
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That would be difficult for them.
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It would actually make you look like an idiot for fighting instead of learning and organizing
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and making change.
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Yeah, and those girls who started that protest, who got the committee going, studied the rules,
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they accomplished what they set out to accomplish.
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Yes, and they both grew up to be Michelle Obama.
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That's one of the important lessons, I think, is being deprived from the audience, and I
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think that's just unfair, but that's how it's supposed to be.
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Anyway, Jordan, if you want to get more depressed about thinking about the past and the present,
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and about how I'm a witch, I would ask you to put your mic down for this next clip.
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The British government actually released foot and mouth.
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In fact, two months before the outbreak, they had to admit, they had contacted people, the
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agriculture departments in the counties, and said, get pyres ready, get lots of wood ready
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to burn piles of dead animals.
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They said, why, and they said, oh, well, you'll see, and then they admitted the foot and mouth
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got released from porting down Bio Weapons Lab.
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They said by accident, someone released it or someone stole it.
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By the way, that's a level four Bio Weapons Lab that has stuff that'll kill specific races
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of people, wipe out all whites, wipe out all blacks.
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Just amazing.
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So many similarities to the present.
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Wow.
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There's no truth to what Alex is saying, but interestingly, in the aftermath of the 2001
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foot and mouth outbreak in the UK, there were a ton of rumors flying around about how it
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started.
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Subsequent investigations have shown that it started on a farm that was feeding its
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livestock untreated waste, but that didn't stop theories from flying around in the days
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immediately after the outbreak.
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One of the popular theories was that there was a vial of this specific strain of foot
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and mouth that had been stolen from or accidentally released from porting down, a biological lab
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in England.
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Sure.
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This is an interesting story, and it follows essentially the same path as Alex's present
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day theories about the novel coronavirus.
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At various points in the early days of the 2020 outbreak, Alex has suggested that it
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was intentionally or accidentally released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and
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he's also discussed the use of race specific bio weapons to bolster his claims.
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Jesus.
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This is like looking into a funhouse mirror of the past.
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This is so awful.
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I'm trying to torture you with this.
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I mean, because why would you...
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Like, okay, I get that we're evil as a species or whatever, and people are going to do...
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Just because something shouldn't exist doesn't mean it's not going to, right?
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But you can't possibly think it's a good idea.
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Even if you could make a race specific bio weapon, you can't think it's a good idea to
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leave it anywhere.
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You have to have that in a safe, inside of a safe, inside of another safe surrounded
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by people who've lost their hands, who can't open it, like that kind of shit.
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If you would ever endeavor to make something so stupid and destructive, you would have
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to keep it in a parody of security.
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Yeah.
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It's something that's a hoax.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's literally like you're one whoops away from all white people gone.
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That's not okay.
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Yeah.
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And also race specific bio weapons are real.
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It's bad.
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So The Guardian looked at the various theories about the foot and mouth outbreak, and the
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port and down one was one of the ones that got their attention.
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Unfortunately for the conspiracy, they spoke to a representative at port and down who said,
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quote, we have never worked on foot and mouth.
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That doesn't sound like folks admitting that it was released from there, but yet Alex is
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on air saying that it's been admitted.
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It's about what they don't say.
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That's weird.
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It's really weird.
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Kind of like how he always acts.
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This Guardian article also discusses the revelation that months before the outbreak, people from
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the Ministry of Agriculture were calling around getting quotes on the price of timber in order
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to burn diseased animals.
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That is true.
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Yeah.
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They're reporting this as them sneakily and cryptically telling farmers to prepare piers,
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but that's about the level of accuracy you should expect from Alex.
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Yeah.
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It's kind of close to something that's real, but according to The Guardian, quote, Stratfordshire
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Animal Health Office, part of the Ministry of Agriculture, rang around merchants in the
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autumn asking for quotes for timber for piers as part of an animal contingency plan on how
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to deal with swine fever and foot and mouth outbreaks.
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This is a requirement of all EU countries.
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It happens every year.
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So it's not something that's suspicious at all, but Alex has built it into a foot and
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mouth was intentionally released from a level four bioweapons lab.
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Of course.
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In order to...
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Oh, boy.
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That's a story that's more about how England was like, remember when we threw dead bodies
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in the Thames and then there was disease?
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We don't do that anymore.
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It was a smart move on our part.
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So another sort of mirror glimpse to the present and the past comes in this next clip.
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Just stylistic, though, instead of content.
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And I haven't even scratched the surface.
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I've covered some of the important news.
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The news is so insane today that I will cover all 100 articles.
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I'm going to do it.
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I'm going to do it in the next two hours, and we're going to get to all your calls immediately
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after this break.
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That's just...
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Wow.
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Wow.
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He's always about to get to it.
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If you say that, there should be a ticker that appears just by magic.
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Like 100 stories?
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It's a countdown clock.
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It just appears.
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Every day the show ends at 98.
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If I had...
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Got to two stories.
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That's my wish.
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My genie's wish is just like, I don't want money.
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I don't want happiness.
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I want purely just...
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If you make a claim like, I'm going to do 100 things, a ticker appears.
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The end.
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So Alex does end up going to take some calls, and he gets a call from a guy, and the conversation
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drifts into talking about the government tracking children via cell phone.
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Sure.
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Or tracking people by cell phone and then using the excuse that it's to protect the
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kids.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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And then Alex says something weird.
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But now that they're announcing that we're about to be tracking you, the government says
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that, oh, the police locally are watching the FEMA command center they built.
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Now it's, oh, it's for the children.
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See how they introduced it?
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It's for the children.
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It's for the criminals.
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It's for the minority.
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See, it's always for that other group.
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Go ahead.
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So that's interesting to me because that's right on the line.
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That's right on the line.
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It's always for a minority.
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That's the kind of thing that if you were really uncharitable and ungenerous to him
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you'd be like, okay, what minority groups are you talking about here?
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Is that coded language?
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But it's also, if you are charitable, you could be like, well, he's just saying that
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groups that aren't the majority, so criminals are a minority of the population.
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It's right there on the line.
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It's always, and it's rich for you to be like, oh, see how they do that?
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They say it's for the children.
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And then the next breath is like, I only care about the millions of aborted babies.
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It's about the aborted babies.
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It's not about controlling women's actions at all.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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That's bad financial advice to give.
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Although I will say that he's not saying this as just solid financial advice.
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Sure.
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There's an ethical component to it, but his audience would have missed out on some money
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if they took this advice.
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You've got to be preemptively down at your county commissioners, your state legislature,
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calling Washington.
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You've got to preemptively find out if any of the mutual funds you own, own speculative
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tech stocks like Applied Digital.
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If you've got Motorola, they're involved in the biochip.
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IBM.
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IBM is a, you know, so-called good stock.
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Well, yeah, it's like buying a piece of Satan.
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You need to go ahead and dump that stock.
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It's up from where it was in 2003.
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I would argue.
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It's not hugely up, but you'd make a nice bit of money.
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If you'd bought stock in it in 2003, you'd make maybe a good, more than 50% profit.
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Not bad?
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No.
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But the reason that he wants you to get out of it is, apparently, IBM owns the Chinese
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military.
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I did not know that!
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I would add an addendum to that.
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IBM owns, or the Communist Chinese military, owns Applied Digital Solutions, their front
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company.
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They don't want to take the heat of being involved with this product, but they are the
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owners.
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You know, their financial statements, 2000, 2001.
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I think 2002 is out yet, I haven't read it.
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There's a Chinese plant that's being built for the implantator, ejector, and the chip
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itself.
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It's all part of hell on earth.
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So yeah, apparently there's a Chinese plant that's being built to get the implantator
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and the implants for the chip that they're going to put in everybody.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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And IBM owns the Chinese government's military.
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That is an interesting way to diversify your business, your revenue streams.
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Yeah, it's like, okay, well we did pretty good, but that almost suggests that the computer
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thing was just a way for them to make enough money to buy the Chinese military.
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It also introduces a lot of questions that I want answers to, like, has it been sold
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since?
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That's a good question.
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Does IBM still own the Chinese military?
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Also a good question.
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What say does the Chinese government have about military decisions, do they have to
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check with IBM?
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Sure.
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I think one of those shared office space companies wound up buying it, yeah, I think they wound
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up buying it.
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They don't have a solid business plan, so they were like, well we might as well buy
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a military while we've got the cash.
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Yeah.
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So Alex takes another call, and this guy made me really sad.
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I mean, I just can't sleep, I'm going to be honest with you, I spend probably about 15
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hours a day studying, reviewing articles you put out.
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That's because you're normal, you're sane, when you read about giant FEMA cams and execution
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centers it upsets you.
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I can't imagine reading for a number of hours about things that Alex suggests people read
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and not realizing, oh, this guy's a dumb-dumb.
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Oh, this is full of shit.
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Yeah.
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All of this is terrible.
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I find that really difficult, I don't know what this guy is reading.
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I don't think he is, I think he's probably reading message boards or something and calling
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it research.
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It almost seems like you would learn about how much bullshit it is by osmosis, just by
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repetition of just like, I've heard this before, I've heard this before, I've heard this before,
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this guy might be full of shit.
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Wait, this doesn't say what Alex says.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it just bums me out.
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And I think it is indicative of how a lot of his listeners and how a lot of people who
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get into this world, their experience of it is compulsive.
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What he's describing is such a compulsive relationship with this information.
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I read what you write 15 hours a day, because you're normal, man.
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You're normal, bro.
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Because you're a normal dude, that's how people react to the things that I say.
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Yeah.
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So Alex at this point needs to make a programming note.
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Okay.
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And that is actually kind of revealing in as much as he is clear, even in 2003, that
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tragedies bring traffic.
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I made a comment last weekend that after every time there's a terror event, the listenership
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peaks, it spikes.
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Well, obviously, all news, newspaper sales go up, radio listenership goes up for news
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talk.
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That always happens.
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And I made the comment that right after the so-called Iraq war ended, that listenership
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dropped.
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And then that gets picked up, and another host says it, another host says it, and basically
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it ends up we don't have any listeners.
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That's ridiculous.
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A little defensive.
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Yeah.
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But I think that this is interesting, because at this point he does understand that dynamic
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of tragedies lead to more people viewing my shit.
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Which is a lesson, obviously, he should have learned from 9-11, and he should know that
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by now pretty well.
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But I question whether he understands at this point fully that obsessing about the immediacy
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of another tragedy happening soon will also spike his ratings.
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I think he learns that pretty quickly, but it doesn't feel like it at this point.
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It just feels like a radio show.
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Yeah.
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So he gets another caller, and this guy sent me down a nutso rabbit hole, insane, too much
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of my time.
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Okay.
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I was wondering if I may take this opportunity to see if we can get any signatures on the
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site that I talked to you before about, if you want to go ahead and announce it.
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What site is that, Eric?
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You've got a site signature.
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Is that a petition?
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Yeah.
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It lists over about 300 grievances.
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Oh, yeah, I read that.
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You sent that to me.
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Yeah, a lot of good grievances there.
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What's the website address?
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Redeclarationofindependence.com.
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And then I would imagine it.com, yeah.
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You bet.
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2003 is an interesting time for followers of conspiracy culture and the communities
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surrounding it.
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In the present day, extremely far-right tendencies have almost entirely absorbed that space,
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but it wasn't always like that.
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So back then, I would be willing to bet that I'd probably agree with some of this caller's
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suggested new grievances in his post about the government.
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Okay.
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Luckily, the Wayback Machine exists, and I was able to find this caller's redeclaration
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of independence, and perhaps unsurprisingly, I did in fact find some common ground with
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this guy.
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Okay.
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For instance, his first complaint reads, quote, we demand the abolishment of engaging our
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military in unconstitutional activities, spreading them out as the police of the world while
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leaving our borders wide open and unprotected.
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I might have left out the part at the end about the borders, since it has nothing to
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do with the main point of unconstitutional engagements of the military, but leaving that
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aside, we agree that the government's got to stop this war stuff.
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True.
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A little bit later, we find even more agreement.
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Quote, we demand the abolishment of all instances of murdering citizens completely within their
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rights and destroying and refusing to disclose evidence in these crimes.
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I would even expand that language to include non-citizen residents, but we're on the same
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page.
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Cop shouldn't be killing people.
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Yeah.
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It's important to remember that that's where those people were, and now they're at Blue
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Lives Matter.
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You know?
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You don't know what this guy's up to.
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Sure.
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So this whole agreeing thing falls apart pretty quick, since it immediately dovetails into
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complaints about UN treaties and calling for abolishing, quote, the post office, public
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education, and Amtrak.
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Oh, so we're Ron Pauling it.
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A little bit.
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Okay.
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This document completely goes off the rails with words like treason starting to pop up
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in all capital letters.
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There.
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That's where we get into trouble.
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In all caps a word, you are, yeah.
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Apparently part of the re-declaration of independence is charging any individual or
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industry that traded with North Vietnam, China, Russia, Iraq, or any of their satellite countries
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with treason.
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This extends to literally everyone who worked in things like steel or petroleum industries,
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but also to everyone who's been in elected office in Congress or the executive branch
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or the Supreme Court dating back to the Korean War.
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Yeah, you might as well just rewrite that to say, we got to clean house and get rid
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of all these guys.
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And past.
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Let's, yeah, let's begin at the 16th century and we'll start over.
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The document demands, quote, all who served in these political positions during any of
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the times of armed conflict in question from the Korean War to this date be stripped of
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any retirement or other compensation.
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I'm guessing that's in addition to the treason charges.
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What about people who supported the civil war?
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The South, huh?
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Do they get treason charges?
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Yeah, it's before the federal reserves.
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Okay, well, that's fair.
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The thing is, this is nuts.
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This document is nuts.
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And it's hilarious for Alex to pretend that he's read it trying to humor this caller.
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I'm certain that Alex didn't read it, but honestly, it's so much funnier to imagine
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that he had and was still giving this guy a glowing review.
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You see, here's how the new Declaration of Independence ends with a suggestion of what
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they should do next, quote, we hereby petition for renewal of government removed entirely
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from Washington D.C. and reconstituted in another region of the land.
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And at least temporarily at first, during its beginnings, this new government for and
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of the people will be situated and redeveloped from Austin, Texas, the birthplace of the
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new people's house with an initial mailing address of bleep, I'll just bleep it out.
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Okay, okay.
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A new government will be birthed for the free world, led initially and temporarily by the
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following patriots of this new age.
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Alex Jones.
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Names?
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Oh, no.
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Oh, no.
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Top of the list?
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Yep.
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Oh, shit.
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Alex Jones, Eric Rainbolt, Mike Hansen, George Humphrey, Chris Athanas, Kevin Smith, and
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Robert Dassey, in order to retain our original forefathers declaration of our God-given rights
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and framework for the lasting legitimate republic promoting global freedom under God's laws,
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not a select group of men's laws, and the complete dismantlement of all forms of tyranny
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hereafter.
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This wasn't that much farther after Mallrats, so I can see Kevin-
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Wrong Kevin Smith.
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What?
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It's not the view askew, Kevin Smith.
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This guy wants to overthrow the government, reconstitute it in Austin, and have Alex and
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some of Alex's friends temporarily rule this new blossoming government.
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That's amazing.
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Yeah.
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In case you don't know those names, Mike Hansen was Alex's longtime cameraman and producer.
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Kevin Smith worked at Info Wars, and George Humphrey and Bob Dassey were regular Info
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Wars guests.
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The new Politburo is just employees of Info Wars.
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Yeah, except for Chris Athanas, I don't know who that is, and Eric Rainbolt.
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I was like, who the fuck is that?
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And then I realized, it's this caller.
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Well you're not gonna not insert yourself into the Politburo.
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So if you Google the address that he lists as the temporary address of the new government
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of America, you'll find that it's listed as the publishing address for a 2005 book titled
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The Freemasonic Architecture of History, self-published by Eric Rainbolt.
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It's Eric Rainbolt's house.
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It's Eric Rainbolt's house, isn't it?
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Well, hold on.
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It's definitely the address of the publishing of this book that was written and self-published
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by Eric Rainbolt.
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Uh-huh.
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He was also the proprietor of 911exposed.com.
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The real mystery here, though, is that the name of the person listed as the owner of
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that house doesn't match with Eric Rainbolt, so I felt like I was at a dead end, but my
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curiosity was itching too strongly.
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Was this caller the person who wrote the new Declaration of Independence, imagining
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a new government forming at his house in Austin where he gets to rule alongside Alex?
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It's really complicated, but I looked into the phone numbers and addresses listed for
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the publishing endeavor, and I'm pretty certain that it is this dude.
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It was actually written under Eric Thunderwater.
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I found the phone number that's associated with it.
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It's someone else's phone number, but also it's a house phone.
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It's associated with someone named James Rainbolt.
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But Eric Rainbolt has published multiple...
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Still living with his dad.
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No.
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I don't know.
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Maybe.
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Okay, maybe.
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Eric Rainbolt has written a couple of other books under the name Eric James Rainbolt.
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So anyway, I'm pretty sure it's him.
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All right.
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Yeah, that would probably be him.
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This is a stupid long road for me to wander down, but the reason I still think it's important
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is because there are some fairly critical things that me and this guy would totally
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agree about.
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We would both want to end the Iraq War, and we both want greater oversight on police,
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but it's pretty crucial to recognize that despite our differences, we aren't even close
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to allies, nor could we ever be.
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Ultimately, I want to create a world that operates better and more fairly for everyone.
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And ultimately, this guy wants to be on Alex Jones' small council.
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Yeah.
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Also, this guy ended up with 75 signatures on his petition at the point of the last screenshot
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in the Wayback Machine, available...
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This date was from July 2010, so I'm not sure exposure on Alex's show did much to help that
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petition.
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I would argue that maybe...
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75 signatures.
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That's not good.
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They might have read it and got to the part where it's like, what the fuck?
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Alex is in charge of the government, along with the guy who wrote this?
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Yeah.
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The enemy of my enemy is not my friend if they also want to establish a fucking Game
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of Thrones style, I'm the Hand of the King for Alex Jones situation.
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Yeah, a bizarro religious extreme libertarian nonsense fantasy land where Alex and some
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of his guests rule the roost.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't think so.
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I don't think so.
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Yeah.
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I don't think so anymore, but I will choose other people to work on that issue with.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, this was kind of what...
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I was like, I'm sure that's this guy.
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And then...
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Let's talk to Eric in Texas.
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Eric, you're on the air.
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Go ahead, sir.
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That was the beginning of the call.
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It is Eric.
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Oh, it is Eric.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So anyway, Alex gets another call, and this guy is kind of interesting.
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This fellow has a plan for dealing with some of the media that he doesn't like, folks like
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Hannity.
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Yeah.
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These folks who are not conservative, apparently.
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I'll make them put the lotion in the basket.
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Nope.
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We need to dig up dirt.
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Okay.
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You're listeners who are very intelligent and very capable people.
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Many of them have, I'm sure, computers and know how to use them very well.
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You can access a lot of public domain information.
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It's all quite legal.
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And I think that we should start a campaign of accessing as much public domain information
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about all these suspect broadcast individuals as we can.
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Case in point, I don't know if you or your listeners are aware, but Sean Hannity was
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a troublemaking adolescent who came from a Long Island, New York community.
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That's a very interesting thing.
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Maybe that needs to be looked into further, and it tells you something about what the
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real makeup of this man is.
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Michael Savage, who you mentioned, the guy used to hang out in the late 50s in beatnik
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bars in Greenwich Village, New York.
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That's one of the major articles.
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He's a beatnik communist.
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That's invented.
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So Michael Savage is a beatnik communist.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Here's what we do, guys.
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We got to blackmail Hannity and Michael Savage with their child records.
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Yeah.
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It's really interesting.
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You think that that's a potent way to attack these figures on the right that you don't
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like and apparently aren't on the right.
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I found out public records that Sean Hannity got a D in his civics class.
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Is that the type of person we want on the radio, Dan?
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It is over for him.
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He's hashtag canceled.
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He's toast.
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He's toast.
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This is cancel culture.
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Yeah.
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This is cancel culture.
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That's literally what the right does.
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Oh, man.
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Anyway, I just think it's really weird to hear this kind of ploy being suggested by
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this caller.
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Yeah.
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Alex being like, all right.
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And then also the political framing is so important.
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We have George Bush in all of his cabinet.
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They're super socialists.
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Sure.
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You have Michael Savage as a beatnik commie.
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These very right wing people are being presented as left.
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Yeah.
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So they're not even moderate.
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Or maybe they're supposed to be the moderate left or whatever.
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Sure.
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Rhinos, if you will, Dan.
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That was a big talking point in 2003 and ever and always forever.
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But it makes it okay for whatever really, really hard right wing thing you want to be
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like, oh, no, this is just actually normal conservatism.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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I don't know about that.
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Jesus.
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Maybe sovereign citizenism is even just normal conservatism.
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Sure.
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Hello, Ida.
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Yes.
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Thank you for taking my call.
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The reason I'm calling is I listen to you almost every day.
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And I understand we've got 250 million of the happiest slaves in the world living in
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this country.
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And that's why they'll never revolt.
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I have revolted.
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I have been thrown in jail five times.
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I am now looking at a year and a half in jail plus a $1,500 fine simply because I refuse
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to go down the road without a driver's license.
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Yeah.
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And the federal law actually says that and the court really say that you don't have to
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have a license for the generally accepted conveyance, but that's a horse and buggy still.
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Hey, Alex, I've used every definition coming down the pike in court and the judge turns
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around, the prosecutor objects and the judge turns around and he says it's okay to object.
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I can't use it.
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And the next thing I know I'm getting paraded off to jail.
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You need to go ahead and appeal it up to a higher court.
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But yeah, these courts, even federal judges have said are just rubber stamp kangaroo courts
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now.
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Oh yeah, for sure.
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For sure.
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You don't need a license for sure.
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For sure.
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Your honor, objection, silly bullshit.
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Sustained.
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Yeah, this isn't true.
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What Alex is saying isn't true.
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They arrested me simply because I refuse to go down the road without a driver's license
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is an interesting way of putting I've been driving without a driver's license and I don't
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give a shit.
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Also, Alex later in the call says, I've driven without a license for years, so I think they're
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targeting you.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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That sounds right.
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It's weird.
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It's weird.
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But that's like a bedrock of sovereign citizen shit.
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It's just a misunderstanding of rules.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Or almost like an oppositional defiance toward the concept of rules that aren't self-generated.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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So in the present day, Alex Jones loves one Tucker Carlson.
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Sure.
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He's got enough of him.
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Loves the guy.
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Yeah.
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Didn't like him so much before.
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Yeah, I was going to say.
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Yeah.
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Obviously we've heard he doesn't like Hannity.
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He thinks that Michael Savage is a commie.
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Coincidentally more important figures than him.
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What do you think he thinks about Fox, Fox News?
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Oh, I think he thinks that they are just a left-wing outlet giving out propaganda for
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an Obama that hasn't even been elected to the Senate yet.
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Do you think that the average Marine or Army that's on the ground today know what's going
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on?
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Do they even have any idea?
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They just don't know.
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No, they just have Fox, the ultra commie channel that calls itself conservative beamed into
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them.
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Oh, everybody loves you.
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Oh, it's great.
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Oh, you're the greatest heroes ever.
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By the way, we're cutting all your benefits right now, but as so what, you know, that's
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the system.
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Ultra commie channel, Fox News.
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We're cutting all your benefits right now is not a thing that is acceptable for Alex
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to say in a negative way.
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He should be like, yeah, they're cutting all your benefits because you don't deserve them.
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You lazy pieces of shit.
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You know what?
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I quit this show.
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I got to leave.
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I got to leave.
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Ultra commie Fox News.
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Ultra commie Fox News.
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Yep.
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Oh boy.
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Yeah.
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That wasn't quite what I expected.
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I mean, it's, it's, it's all, it's a lot to see.
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Like when I, when I first turned on the episode, I was like, I think I'm going to have like
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some really subtle things to try and sift through.
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Yeah.
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Instead it's just like, Michael Savage is a commie, Fox News is ultra commie, everyone
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are communists.
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Like, oh wait, this is, this is great.
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Yeah.
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That's, that's so, cause we've talked about this for years of like, if you just abandoned
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Trump, you could carve out that space of like, I don't trust Fox News.
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They're a bunch of liberal commie bullshit, you know, like listen to that.
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Like you, it's so easy.
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You could just be like, oh, there's Biden's giving a speech on CNN and they're whining
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about some nonsense five-year-old who's got a problem.
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Perhaps the proof of the pudding is in the eating as it were.
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That's true.
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I mean, like look at where he was in his career in 2003 and look where he is now.
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Like obviously signing up with Trump has massively exposed him.
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It's gotten him a far greater space in the public sphere.
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He's made, it's made him relevant to the point where people like at least jokingly make his
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name trend.
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True.
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Sometimes.
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True.
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Back then in 2003, he had like a position of defiance against the right and the left.
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Right.
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He could pretend that it was because he's above the divide, but it's really, he's extremely
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far to the right.
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Exactly.
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But you can see the, it didn't work.
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It didn't work.
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No, that's true.
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That's true.
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You're not wrong.
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I, but, but it, you know, I'm, I'm still of the opinion of like carving out that comfortable
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space is so much better than being like, well, if I hitch my wagon to Trump's train, I can
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become world famous.
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Yes.
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No, I think it would be healthier and better if he had carved out that space.
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But clearly he lusts for the sun, like Icarus.
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That's true.
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That is true.
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And maybe that's just, uh, he could never do that while maintaining whatever it is that
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he's doing back then.
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Yeah, it is.
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It is one of those situations where were the actions and context completely different.
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I would be like, man, I got to give it up to you for seeing an opportunity and shooting
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your shot.
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And it has not worked out for you, but within the context and his actions, uh, he's an idiot
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and I hate him forever and I want to throw baseballs at him.
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I don't know if you know this, but 2003, in addition to seeing the end of the Iraq war,
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um, we also were, uh, in the middle of SARS.
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Okay.
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Now, some people may remember the COVID-19 is originally SARS coronavirus two, uh, the
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sequel to, uh, what's going on in 2003 SARS.
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Let's see how, let's see how we handled it differently.
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Reuters money may be the root of all evil, but China is trying to make sure it won't
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be a source of SARS.
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Now they already have public service announcements here in this country of how quote cash is
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dirty and how we need to get rid of it to the safe cashless society.
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Well the central people's bank of China was putting more new cash into circulation and
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holding used bank notes for 24 hours before putting it back on the people's hands.
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The people's daily newspaper said on its website on Tuesday, the communist party mouthpiece
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at some banks or even sterilizing grimy bills and showering them with ultraviolet radiation
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trying to kill the SARS virus, which has killed 148 people and infected more than 3,300 in
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China.
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Like 300 globally, not even that many folks, this thing, millions die every year from flu.
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This is nothing.
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They can't even isolate the virus.
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It's hysteria.
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As the Toronto star said, it is a UN power grab.
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I didn't say it.
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Toronto starred in so weird to see how the past echoes with the present.
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Like you can dip back into 2003 and hear Alex Alex making the exact same nonsense claims
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about SARS that he would eventually make about the novel coronavirus.
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It's remarkable, almost like the actual facts in front of him don't matter.
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And the particular details of a story are just decorations on top of his underlying
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preexisting reality denying narrative.
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SARS was a big deal.
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It was real and it was not a UN power grab.
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At this point, scientists hadn't been able to concretely isolate the SARS virus, but
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they did achieve that this same month, on March 22nd, 2003.
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At this point when Alex is making the episode, it's only been a few weeks since China reported
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the outbreak of cases to the World Health Organization, and the situation is very much
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in its infancy.
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The international community jumped into action and quickly identified and isolated the virus,
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and cautionary steps were taken to prevent the spread.
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Because of collaborative action, and probably somewhat because the right-wing conspiracy
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movement hadn't grown to the size it has in the present day, only 774 people in the world
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ended up dying during the outbreak between November 2002 and July 2003.
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The Toronto Star article Alex is referencing is something I can't find, but I would bet
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anything it was an editorial article presenting the opinion that Toronto's response to SARS
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has been hysterical.
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You can find some people still, you know, some existing websites that express that sentiment.
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It's hard to say if people there overreacted, but the Greater Toronto Area saw the fourth
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largest outbreak of SARS cases in the world, behind China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan, so it
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really does kind of make sense that the matter there would be taken seriously in a way that
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might look like hysteria, but if you didn't act that way, who knows what the end result
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would have been.
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You know, I've always been, like, especially, you know, obviously now when you're thinking
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about it, but it always kind of, like, messed me up when people say, oh, you're reacting
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hysterically to this virus, and it feels like the entire human race should be so hysterical
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about viruses and bacteria, considering...
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Especially really new ones.
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Yeah, considering disease has killed almost all of us.
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You know, like, we talk about, oh, I'm so scared of war and all that shit.
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Of all the people who have ever lived, most of them have died because of some disease
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or another.
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And I think that...
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Like, we should all be hysterical, you know, like, that's what I would say.
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And I think that the conversation largely has been, like, in times when we're not dealing
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with outbreaks and infections and stuff, people in medical communities talk about the unknown
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unknowns.
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Exactly.
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About, you know, like, all the conversation about Disease X or whatever, about this thing
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that we don't know about that we may have to deal with.
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It's really a terrifying prospect, because you have to figure out how it spreads, what
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its characteristics are, and while you're figuring that out, it's spreading.
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Or it could be spreading, or it might be spreading faster than you think.
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Yeah.
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It's a terrifying thing.
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Yeah.
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I agree with you.
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Like, almost levels of hysteria become more rational the more you think about it.
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Yeah.
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And I remember some people that I knew were going through some steps that I would say
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were maybe a little bit further than I would have, even, at the beginning of dealing with
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the 2020 situation, and I kind of was like, hey, you guys are going a little far with
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this.
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And their response was, you know, I'd rather do this and look stupid later than not do
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it, and feel like, oh, I could have taken preventative measures.
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And I think that that's a compelling argument, and I felt stupid afterwards.
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Yeah.
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And it's also just, but I mean, part of it is just the very fact that so many fucking
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people don't not just not understand evolution, but believe in it entirely.
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It's just like, you realize that if a virus spreads, it's going to reproduce billions
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of times in a very short period of time, which exponentially increases the possibility of
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mutation and adaptation to our measures against it.
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Like it is not, it is a constant battle.
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It is not a, like, even now, if we defeat COVID-19, to the extent that we would all
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love it, if we don't completely eradicate it, it is going to mutate and it can come
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back any time.
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You know, like it's a real terrifying reality.
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And most people are like, eh, it's probably witches.
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Like that's where we are.
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Yeah.
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Or, you know, witches that work for the UN.
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Totally.
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It's a UN power grab.
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Yeah, it's a UN power grab.
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It always is.
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Always.
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And I think if, you know, I don't know, I guess if Trump was president and the conspiracy
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community existed the way it does now in 2003, SARS might've been a much bigger problem.
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Oh, totally.
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Well, I mean, you think about...
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It's weird to think about it.
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You think about so many of the, you know, like you think about Ebola outbreaks.
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You see, you think about those things that happened in the past that in retrospect you
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realize were handled by people who understood and were serious about the problem instead
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of actively exacerbating it.
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And the people who are causing problems should be held responsible in the courts.
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So what you gonna do?
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Hey, you know, Alex, at this point, you know, he's getting towards, you know, the end of
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the show.
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You know, we're getting deep into it.
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He still hasn't covered the news.
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How many of those?
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In the next hour, I'll get more into this and what life will be like under the new world
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order.
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We have covered about a third of it.
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I'll have to just jam it all in calmly in the third hour.
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I don't know what's been wrong with me this week, but I've been more fired up than usual.
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Before I end this segment, you want to find out what really happened with 9-1-1.
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That's the ad pivot back then.
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There's no pills to sell, no wellness supplies.
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Get my films.
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Yeah, he's just trying to sell his documentaries.
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I'm looking for exposure.
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If you get three of them, price goes down by three films.
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What about shipping?
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Is shipping still expensive at the time?
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I don't remember.
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Could be free.
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Probably prohibitive.
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Yeah, might be.
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So Alex has an epiphany when he comes back from the commercial, and this just made me
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want to throw something.
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I'm frankly starting to panic on air.
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I'm going to be honest with you.
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Stuff's getting so bad.
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I see the plan coming together.
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Now I know my analysis has been dead on all along.
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Worse than I thought, frankly, and it's freaking me out.
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I know the nature of the globalist, watching serial killer control freak demons build a
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cage for humanity is very energizing, just energized to resist them.
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I've asked God to make me a vessel to fight the New World Order, and sometimes I just
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think there's too much.
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I mean, I'm just too energized.
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I've got all the information.
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I know what they're doing.
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I know what their plans are, what their operations are, and like my mouth, my speech centers
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can not, I don't think, articulate the globalist program properly to you.
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It's just horrible.
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Anyone who listens to our show with any regularity has heard that speech.
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It's one that Alex gives pretty frequently when he gets in a wistful, contemplative mood.
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Yesterday he was confused, but today all the pieces have come together, and he's more certain
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than ever that his analysis has been right all along, and it's worse than he thought.
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That's an interesting experience to imagine having when something groundbreaking happens,
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but to go back to a random episode of his show from 18 years ago and see him pretending
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to have the same epiphany that he does regularly on his show nowadays, it's a little annoying.
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Also, another reason I pulled this clip is because Alex makes a reference to God and
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to demons, but I think you can tell how much different that feels than how he acts and
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speaks in the present day.
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To my ears, listening to this, it kind of comes off like a man who has religious inclinations
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but isn't a zealot.
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It feels like a person calling his enemies demons as a pejorative insult, not as a description
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that's meant to be taken literally.
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It's weird to think about, but maybe Alex meant it to be heard as literal all along,
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and people were just giving him an unasked-for benefit of the doubt.
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There's no way he could think demons were real, and they were just Democrats.
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That seems crazy.
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So we'll assume that he's being metaphorical in this sense.
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I don't think that's the case, but it's fun to think about.
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Like the possibility that, nah, he's been pretty upfront about it.
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He's talking about demons.
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Dan, I hate time travel episodes sometimes because you're like a Mr. Peabody who refuses
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to let me get into the time machine.
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You just make me watch a movie of the past, and you're like, oh yeah, if we used this
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time machine, we could fix it all, but too bad, asshole, we're just gonna watch.
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Well, that'd be a more interesting cartoon.
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Ah, could be.
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So Alex gets to another call, and boy, he has some pretty anti-immigrant sentiments
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back in 2003.
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Unsurprising.
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You know, I have a lot of friends that are Mexicans, but I don't have too many immigrant
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friends, but you kind of wonder how in the world they got their driver's license in the
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first place.
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Look it up.
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You know, if they do have one, and they really do not have a driver's license because they
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do not know the law.
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They're there for big companies to work because they do work.
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Yeah, and the big companies have said, these people are here to vote our rights away because
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they don't even know what they're doing, and they can't speak any language, they're just
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the tall what to do with their local bosses, local little bosses, barrio boss, who works
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for the government, and they're here to deindustrialize and to give us cheap wages.
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Don't arrest them, don't mess with them, and it happens.
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You on the other hand are middle class and got some money, you're to be fed on, pushed
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around, they're going to let you know to keep in line.
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Okay Alex, you know what you're doing, that's for sure.
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I would have the exact same response as that caller, you know what you're doing, Alex.
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Yeah, you lying piece of shit, you know what you're doing.
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Yeah, jeez.
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This is the same show where just an hour ago we were told you do not need a driver's license.
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Right, with that caller.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Sovereign Citizen shit.
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So there's a difference, I would say, between who gets to not have a driver's license and
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who...
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You're not meant to remember that.
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Fair enough.
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On that same show we had Alex talking, you know, I was talking about that, like, if you're
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uncharitable you could hear him saying the minority, and you could hear that as him talking
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about, you know, minorities, non-white folk in his mind, or you could look at it as like
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criminals are a minority of the population and that's what he's talking about.
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This is not the same thing.
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Nope, nope.
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That's not this.
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This is explicit.
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Yeah.
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These guys aren't talking about undocumented immigrants or people who came here through
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improper channels or people who overstayed a visa, they're just talking about the blanket
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category of people who are immigrants, and this conversation is outrageously white nationalist
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at its core.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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This caller is puzzling over how immigrants managed to get driver's licenses, which is
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a bit silly, and then Alex shoots the moon by arguing that immigrants are coming to be
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controlled by, quote, barrio bosses and instructed to take, quote, our rights away.
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You got it.
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The coded language is almost comically transparent here, and this walks hand in hand with the
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white nationalist ideas about the great replacement that get thrown around in more recent times.
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This is the way that conversation was had back then, and it's basically indistinguishable
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from white supremacist positions on immigration.
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Yeah.
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It's outrageous.
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I just see like a six year old Harrison Smith being like, man, I want to be worse than that
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someday.
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I want to be more explicit about exactly what I know he is saying.
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I want to take this game and push it a little farther.
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Yeah, let's go a little bit further to the racist.
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Oh boy.
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So Alex, uh, he gets to, he has this big point that he keeps making and that is that he can
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go on any show on any conservative, well, there's, there's a more to it.
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Okay.
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He could go on any show, conservative, liberal, normal, whatever, right in the middle center.
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Who gives a shit?
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He can go on any of these shows.
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They can take 30 calls.
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They all agree with him.
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Of course.
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They all agree with because he's so ideologically consistent and because everyone knows that
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Bush did nine 11.
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That's true.
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So he gets, he ends up role playing a little bit as some callers that he's fantasizing
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about talking to on these radio shows.
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And then I can be on some other station and take 20 calls and then one guy will call and
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he'll go, you're a liar, Bush isn't trying to take my guns and I'll go, well, actually
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the bill numbers, that's 22 Republicans are supporting it.
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And you're a line coming.
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I tell you, you liberals come up with some plans to confuse us and get us off track.
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George Bush would never, he's a Christian conservative and you've, and then the hustles
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say, well, actually he is supporting that and the gal go, Oh, well I still don't like
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this guy.
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Get him off here.
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I just want to turn my guns in.
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I mean, they don't say that, but they say everything else up to that.
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So they're in a delusional world and I can be on Pacifica radio or something with all
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the, what you would call liberals and they're all calling in a green, making good points
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admitting the Democrats are corrupt too because if you're not hypocritical, they'll wake up.
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You got liberals calling in going, yeah, I see what you mean about owning guns.
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It makes a lot of sense.
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You know, the government's tyrannical.
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Why should we give our guns up?
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I'm going to realize what you're saying and I did hear Australia's crime rate exploded
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once they took the guns and then one person will call in and go, I bet you're racist,
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Mr. Jones.
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Aren't you?
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Yes.
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New World Order is a code word for some type of racial group you're a member of.
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And I go, no, actually the government's calling for New World Order and I'll go, wait a minute.
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You work for the government, don't you work in intelligence or for the FBI or for the,
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or do you work for some federal program where I work?
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Does it matter?
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I'll go, just answer the question.
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Well, yes, I work for the government.
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Well hey, whoa.
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This was one of the moments in the show where I was like, this is kind of feeling like the
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present.
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This is imaginary nonsense.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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This one's good.
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So I've heard that narrative arc of these callers discussed by Alex throughout his career.
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That's sort of, it's very normal.
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These seem to be archetypes of callers that he's imagined arguing with that he uses as
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examples for decades as dumb people he has to talk to.
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These people are used as caricatures of straw man arguments presenting things that are valid
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complaints about Alex.
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He uses these imaginary dumb callers as puppets to introduce these ideas like that he's a
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racist because then it's a lot easier to mock and discredit those ideas like that he's a
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racist.
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Yeah.
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You can hear Alex essentially laying out that him arguing that the Republican Party is corrupt
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is a way to get liberals who can admit that the Democrats are corrupt to wake up.
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Yeah.
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If you lie about him being hypocritical, they'll wake up and they won't know you're lying because
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you're not a malicious figure yet.
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This is a strategy and it's meant to make Alex look closer to the middle where this
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hypothetical Democrat is.
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The idea is for him to paint a picture where he and this liberal have more in common than
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they think and they only don't think so that they're more in common because these two corrupt
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political parties have told them that they're not similar.
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This is not true.
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Alex is light years to the right of the GOP.
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So what he's actually doing is trying to pull disaffected people of either party towards
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the extreme right.
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For people already in the Republican Party, this could mean becoming extremely right wing.
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For Democrats, this might mean becoming a jaded political nihilist, maybe embracing
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the GOP or just not voting for Democratic candidates.
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Ultimately, the political end result of the project Alex is engaging in is this.
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It's always about dragging people to the right while pretending there is no right or left,
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which serves the political interests of whichever viable political entity is furthest to the
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right.
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Yeah.
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That's what he's doing.
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I am above the left right divide, Dan.
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They want to do all these taxes and things, and I just want to drink blood from the skulls
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of my enemies.
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What doesn't everybody get about that?
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Wake up, people.
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I'm above the left right divide.
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Right.
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I mean, if he was truly opposed to the left right divide or whatever, and someone was
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like a Democrat and they were like, oh, you know what?
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The Democratic Party does suck.
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I'm going to start exploring further left options.
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He should be just as into that, right?
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I mean.
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That's what I think.
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Yeah.
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Oh, no, he's not.
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Because the socialists are...
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There you go.
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Well, I mean, George Bush is a socialist.
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They're demons.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Everybody's a socialist at this point.
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In the present day, he's a socialist of demons.
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We're not sure about that.
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That's fair.
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Could be a metaphor in 2003.
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Is he...
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He's anti-Reagan at this point, too, right?
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I haven't heard him bring up Reagan on this episode.
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Oh, that's true.
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I can't speak to that.
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That's true.
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Fair enough.
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He doesn't like anybody, from what I can tell.
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It does sound like that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That is like, you look back and you're like, ooh, gross, conservative.
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They were communists.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Which I can...
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But you can totally see that kind of being attractive, especially at that time, whenever
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you look at the fact that both political parties are like, war is great, and let's do it all
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the time.
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And you're like, what's the fucking point of having either of these political parties
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if we're just going to wind up with a mission accomplished banner?
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Right.
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And I think that that is why something like Alex is super potent back then.
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Totally, totally.
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Because there are a lot of people who are right in the exact place that they need to
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be to hear a message like that and get sent down a road they don't know they're going
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down.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I would say it's hard to argue that, you know, Osama bin Laden didn't destroy an entire country
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by himself.
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It's kinda...
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He had compatriots.
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It's kinda a little...
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No, he had tons of compatriots, of course, but it's a little bit like, you know, 9-11
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really did defeat America.
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Alex does talk a bit about 9-11 on this episode, but not in a way that I felt like this is
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where we're gonna start picking into it.
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Sure.
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So as I look through the 2003 stuff, when he gets into more of it, I'll definitely...
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We'll see some more 9-11.
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Yeah, 9-11 will definitely be more of a topic than it has been in our show in the past.
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But I can't talk about it today because Alex, as he's talking about these callers that he
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gets on radio stations, he ends up talking about being on a show out in the UK, right?
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And this...
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He got a call from a warden, a jail guard, and this is when...
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This is evidence that this show used to be a family show.
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I was on in England, and big national show, the James Whale Show, and it covers the whole
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country.
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We're getting calls from Scotland, Ireland, wherever.
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It's a big transmitter.
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A couple transmitters.
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Actually, there's a big one in London.
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They can have like, you know, 500,000 watt AMs there.
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And I'm on the show, and they take like 20 calls.
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Everybody agrees with me.
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And one guy calls in, and he goes, I'd love to get you in a jail cell.
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I'd love to get you in there.
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And well, actually, the guy's threatening me, saying, yeah, you're gonna be...
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You're a traitor.
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You're a idiot.
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You're this and that.
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Don't talk about how my queen's German, because I pointed out their royal family isn't even
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there.
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You know, it isn't even British.
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And I said, wait a minute.
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You work for the government, don't you?
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He's like, yeah, I'd like to get you.
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I'd like to get you.
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And he hadn't even said yet that he was a jail guard.
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I go, you're a jail guard, aren't you?
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He goes, huh?
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Huh?
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I go, yeah, aren't you?
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And he goes, yeah, I'd like to get you in the cell, and I'd like to urinate on you.
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He's another word.
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I said, oh, oh.
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And the host was amazed.
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He goes, how'd you know that?
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I can just tell.
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Family show.
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I don't say piss on this show.
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Not back then.
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No, no, no, no, no, no.
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We're gonna adhere to these FCC rules.
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Yeah.
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No piss.
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I would say, I don't know, I haven't heard this radio interview, but I would guess that
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either this caller was like, yeah, I'm a jail guard.
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You did.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Sure.
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I'm a jail guard.
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Fine.
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Or this didn't happen, and Alex is imagining it.
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Yes.
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It's interesting, though, Alex goes to spending five minutes talking about how he knew this
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guy was a jail guard.
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He's like, he had this tone of his voice where he's saying, I want to get you locked up.
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I want to get you locked up.
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And people only have this tone when they really want to do it.
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So I heard this guy's voice, and I knew that he either, either was a serial kidnapper or
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a jail guard.
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That was only two options.
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Most people who are smart kidnappers just become jail guards, because then they can
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do all that stuff, and it's legal.
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That sounds right.
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That makes intuitive sense.
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And this is how I read this guy's voice and knew that he was a jail guard.
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People who kidnap illegally just don't know what they're supposed to be doing, right?
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They just haven't found the right kidnapping job.
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It's a little annoying, but also kind of trivially fun.
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Like Alex is just wasting his time.
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It's such an annoying habit of so many people to tell you a story where somebody is acting
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so over the top, unreasonably, that it's impossible to believe.
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And you knew before he even started he was full of shit.
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Yeah.
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It's like, why am I here?
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So Alex gets back to calls, and this caller unfortunately has a terrible story of being
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canceled.
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And I'm calling you today because my local FM talk station has banned me from asking
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any questions concerning the Warren Commission because they say it was 40 years ago and it's
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so full of holes that they deny its even existence.
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It was all a big television drama, like when Ruby shot Oswald.
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But you know-
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Anybody who believes that Oswald acted alone, fine, I got a bridge, I want to sell you.
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This is like my favorite thing.
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I love going back to this time in the past, and the callers are fucking callers.
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They're not like sycophant nonsense, I love your brain force now.
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It's a weirdo who can't call the local FM station anymore because he talks too much
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about the Warren Report.
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I'm not allowed there anymore because I refuse to discuss anything but 50 year old news.
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That's what I do here.
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I love that.
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That's a vibe I could listen to, like, I could listen to that forever.
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I'm not allowed on C-SPAN anymore because I won't stop talking about Fort Sumter.
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And it's bullshit, Alex, it's bullshit.
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The cancel culture is out of control.
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It's out of control.
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They won't let me harangue them for no reason about Fort Sumter.
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It's infuriating, Dan.
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I love it.
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Love it!
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So he gets another call, and this guy brings up the John Birch Society, which I teased
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would come up.
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Alex believes that the John Birch Society is mostly good.
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Yes.
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He's pretending that so much of his ideology isn't based on people who were in and adjacent
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to the John Birch Society.
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Unrelated.
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Unrelated to the John Birch Society.
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Very good.
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No.
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Unrelated.
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I learned everything separate from the John Birch Society.
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I did my own research, I definitely wasn't raised in a household filled with John Birch
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or literature.
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It was mostly John Birch Society stuff and sci-fi that he thought was real.
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That's mostly-
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Wow!
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That really does explain everything, doesn't it?
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Not everything, but a lot of it.
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It explains too much.
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Yeah.
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For a human.
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So, this made me laugh so fucking hard.
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If you get what he's talking about, don't yell it out.
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Just let this play out.
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There is an Oklahoma family who are begging oil and a bunch of other stuff who are actually
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involved in the founding of the John Birch Society, but the John Birch Society overall
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is good.
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Certainly, early on, not the Birchers, but other conservative groups have been used by
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the bankers.
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They'll tell some good conservative military man, that guy's a communist, go take him out,
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and they'll go do it and later take him out for plausible deniability.
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So many of our troops over there in Iraq now really are risking their lives and living
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in a third world cesspool bombed out stone age system because they really believe in
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this country.
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Yes, sir.
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But it is evil.
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Does that mean the troops are evil?
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No.
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It means they're ignorant.
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Thanks for the call, Spencer.
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I appreciate the call.
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Yeah.
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I should have gotten into that.
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Man, I had an article, big mainstream article on that family, how they funded the John Birchers
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and all the different things they do and how they are big supporters of Bush.
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I need to dig that back up and cover that.
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Hmm.
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I wonder who he's talking about.
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Is he talking about the Candyman?
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No.
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He's talking about Fred Koch.
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Oh, that's who he's talking about.
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Son of a bitch.
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Yeah.
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He's talking about the Koch family.
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That's right.
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They're in...
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Oh my God.
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I didn't think of them because of the Kansas thing.
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Yeah.
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They started in Kansas, but Fred Koch eventually, you know, he'd go on to help Hitler build
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some oil refineries.
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Well, sure.
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And then he started a crude oil interest in Duncan, Oklahoma called Rock Island Oil and
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Refining Company.
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It's just amazing.
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Like in 2003, hearing Alex like, oh yeah, I heard about this big family that they fund
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to the John Birch Society and they support Bush.
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He doesn't know the name.
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He doesn't know anything about this.
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Unreal.
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He's bathed in John Birch Society nonsense and he doesn't know the name of Fred Koch.
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So infuriating.
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Yeah.
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And then, you know, you think maybe if Citizens United had gone another way, none of us would
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be able to instantly pull Koch brothers names.
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Wouldn't that be lovely?
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I don't know if that's true, but certainly it made it worse.
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I think it's really interesting that like, I'm, you know, obviously I'm fascinated by
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particularly that era of anti-communist propaganda and sort of ideology.
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And so the John Birch Society is something that looms large and like obviously I've looked
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into it a bit and I know about the first meetings and the people and like, yeah, obviously Fred
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Koch was one of the founding members.
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Like, it's weird to me to think that Alex came from a family that clearly was Bertie.
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Maybe not full on members, but associates of members.
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And he doesn't, he doesn't understand like who the, who some of these players are.
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I mean, weren't they supposed to be cells that weren't necessarily connected to each
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other originally.
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So it's not like they had a hero worship of their founding members.
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No, but you would know.
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You would think.
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You would hope.
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But then again, Fred Koch didn't stay in it for all that long.
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Yeah.
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He was too busy with the Nazis.
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He's got shit to do.
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But then again, the Koch brothers were pretty involved with like Ron Paul.
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Yeah, that's true.
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I don't know.
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It's weird.
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It's weird that he would, he'd have this non-awareness.
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What an ignorant asshole.
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How dare he tell me that he knows anything.
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It does feel like he's not feigning ignorance.
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He does seem like he's frustrated that he doesn't know the name of this big Birch family.
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It's strange.
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Wild.
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Anyway, he gets another call.
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This is where we learned that Saddam Hussein may be on a beach.
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Hey Alex, my name is Nick.
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I was in the water about 22 years.
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Just some full information about Saddam Hussein.
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On the 14th of this past month, the Gulf News out of Dubai and the Iranian News Service
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both reported that the U.S. reached an agreement with Russia for $5 million cash in credit
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to get Saddam and 100 of his closest followers out.
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This past Thursday on Univision, one broadcast in the middle of the day said that Saddam
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Hussein had been spotted in Cuba with his family.
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Sounds about right.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Yep.
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Sounds about right.
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He's probably in Cuba.
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Yep.
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That makes sense.
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You know what I would do?
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Possible other explanation.
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Someone who looks like Saddam Hussein was seen in Cuba.
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You know what I would do if I was Saddam?
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Get closer to the United States.
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Good idea.
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That's a good plan.
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He'll never look.
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I'll take a boat from North Korea to Maine.
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We have one last clip here because Alex takes another call, and this person is into the
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Birch Society, and so there's a little bit more conversation about that.
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I think this is kind of interesting.
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First, let me say something about the John Birch Society.
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I was a member when I lived in Utah.
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I'm not a member now, but I do get the magazine, and they put out wonderful information.
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So you're still a member.
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I was going over some old ones the other day that go back into 98, and here they were telling
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about this threat of the World Trade Towers being bombed, and this is all a connection
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with Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and on and on and on.
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And how the government's going to blame that for it.
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Right.
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But the one thing I want to make clear, and this is for everybody, there's people that
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say things about Alex Jones and put out information about Alex Jones or John Stattmiller or somebody
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else.
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And this is a ploy.
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I remember back in the 50s and 60s, the Communist Party put out a propaganda.
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Divide and conquer.
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Right.
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And the same thing with MacArthur.
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I even hear conservatives talk about MacArthurism as though that was something evil.
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No, McCarthy was right.
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No, he wouldn't do what the human wanted, so he's bad, yeah.
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McCarthy was right.
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Well, McCarthy was right.
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The KGB files got released five years ago, and it turned out it was twice as bad than
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he thought.
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But it was okay when he said it was, hold on, let me say something.
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Hold on a second, ma'am.
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It was okay, ma'am, ma'am, it was okay when he said that it was just communist.
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When he figured out that, he said, wait, the army runs the communists, our army's giving
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them nukes and funding them, boom, he was out of there like that.
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Go ahead.
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So Alex has made up a fun story to try and pretend that Joseph McCarthy was right and
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his insane communist witch hunt, but that's all just bullshit.
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Yeah.
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Also, I love the moment there where he almost yells at her.
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Yeah, yeah, that is nice.
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That's a really polite, angry Alex.
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Yeah, yeah, that's better than now.
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Mm-hmm.
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Fuck off!
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Yeah.
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Look!
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Buy my shit!
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I would assume that those issues of the John Birch Society magazine that the caller's referring
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to, I think they have to do with the other time the World Trade Center was bombed back
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in 1993.
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You would think.
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That has something to do with that.
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I've noticed that a lot of conspiracy thinkers tend to ignore that that happened because
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it helps make sense of why people would have been talking about terrorists attacking the
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World Trade Center before 9-11.
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Yeah, it would be like, oh, so this guy already tried it?
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It would make sense for him to give it another go if he failed the first time.
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Yeah.
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They need for these conversations to be devoid of the context of the first bombing because
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otherwise it's like, yeah, of course.
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Yeah.
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That's a reasonable explanation for this.
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I find this really weird, because Alex is talking about, like, okay, so this caller's
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saying that there's a John Birch Society magazine from, like, 1998, it's talking about bombing
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of the World Trade Center, and Alex is like, yeah, and how the government will blame bin
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Laden.
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Yep.
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That's supposed to be his prediction.
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Yeah.
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So wait, now he's saying that the John Birch Society stuff from 1998 was making that prediction
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that he made in 2001 that also he stole from Bill Cooper.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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He doesn't seem to be so eager to take credit as some kind of a prophetic person in terms
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of this at this point.
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Yeah.
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I would imagine the reason that he didn't make it to the four-year university was he
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couldn't keep himself from plagiarizing anything and everything in his sight.
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Yeah, it's possible.
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It feels like more of an individual at this point, though.
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I'll say that.
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It does.
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That is true.
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Yeah.
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I was not-
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I mean, despite the Rush Limbaugh impression, they're very clear.
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Yeah.
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Well, I remember at that time, my dad had all the Limbaugh books and I was inundated
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with right-wing talk news radio, and I wasn't hearing this shit.
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That's for sure.
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I definitely wasn't hearing this.
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Some of this is a little weirder, but also I'm fascinated by how some of it is so one-to-one
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similar to the present, the way he deals with SARS, the way he's saying that they intentionally
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released foot and mouth from port and down.
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It's hauntingly similar.
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Those who learn to exploit in the past refuse to change anything so they can continue exploiting
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in the future, Dan.
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So I have one last question for you.
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What do you think about apples?
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They're pretty good.
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So what do you think about them apples?
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That's the real question.
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I'm fascinated.
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I'm loving the past, and I can't wait to keep listening to this.
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Yeah.
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I can't wait to see how, as the Iraq war is clearly not over, how Alex deals with that.
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Yeah.
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The 2004 election, it's just nuts.
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We haven't done monthly investigations for a long time.
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I feel like this might be open-ended.
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This could be forever.
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Yes.
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But be not afraid.
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I will still also be keeping up on the present day, and I promise on our next episode we
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will check in and see what Alex is up to, whatever his dumb ass is talking about in
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the present.
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No kidding.
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See if it mirrors this.
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I know.
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Somehow.
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We'll see.
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But anyway, we'll be back.
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Until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight and at Go To Bed Jordan.
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Yep.
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We're also on Facebook.
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We are.
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iTunes.
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And if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people
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doing God's work right now.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I'm Daryl Rundis.
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I am super socialist Paul Wolfowitz.
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Cindy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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I love you too.
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