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Dan and George. Knowledge Fight.
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Need. Need. Money.
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Andy and Chanzas. Andy and Chanzas. Stop it. Andy and Chanzas. Andy and Chanzas.
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It's time to pray. Andy and Chanzas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.
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Hello Alex. I'm a Christian caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Knowledgefight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes. I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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What up?
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Quick question for you today. What's up?
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What's your Bright Spot?
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Well, why don't you go first because I got some thoughts.
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Oh, I have a complicated Bright Spot, of course.
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Today, as we record this in about an hour, Major League Baseball will return.
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Right. I saw a tweet about this.
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It's incredible.
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Yeah. I know you're a man who loves the sticks.
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Oh, so good. I'm so excited.
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Excited. Now, obviously, the amount of resources they're taking and the
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risk that the players are taking is to the point of moral destruction.
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Sure. I mean, we've seen what's happened with the WWE,
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trying to power on through this. It's not been good.
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It's terrible.
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Yeah. Putting people at risk.
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Taking tests every single day that should be used for the population at large.
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But fuck, I want to see the Cubs win.
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Well, I know that your fandom is...
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It's so dangerous.
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Your mood does vary a lot based on sports. Well, mostly Cubs and Rafa-related fandom.
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He's skipping the U.S. Open.
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What?
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He's not going to be there for the U.S. Open.
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What?
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It's tragic.
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What are you going to do?
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It's tragic. I don't know. I'm going to have to watch fucking Djokovic win it again.
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He's already tested positive for the virus. What an asshole. He's a dick, Dan.
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Well, I'm sorry you had to experience that,
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but I'm glad you get to watch some guys swing around bats.
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It's going to be great. It's going to be great. It's really going to be good.
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It's going to be weird, because you usually would go to bars and watch baseball.
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Now, you have two layers of weirdness. You can't go to the bar to watch the sport that
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is going to be different because of the world situation. That's tough.
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I watched a preseason game last night, and I was like,
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this isn't that different from just watching a, you know, preseason game. Sure, there's
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nobody there, but it's a preseason game. There's nobody there anyway, so who gives a shit?
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Preseason's not that different.
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Once you get to the-
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I mean, in the Cactus League, whenever everybody's there and they're all having a great time,
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but I don't know. We'll see.
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Once you get to the World Series and there's nobody there.
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Oh, that'll be fucking me up.
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That'll be very weird.
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Yeah, that'll be terrifying.
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Yeah. So, my bread spot.
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Yes, sir.
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Go to the mailbag.
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All right.
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Yep.
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All right. What do we got in the mailbag?
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Let me open this up here. We actually got a couple of things.
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And it was a very, very nice trip into the mailbag.
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All right. All right.
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And so, the first thing we got was a nice letter from Lucy that thanked us for
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recognizing that the Green Bank Telescope is a telescope.
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Yes, that is true.
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And some glasses, I believe.
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Yes, we did get those. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Some fun, like looking at the star's glasses kind of thing.
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They spread things into a different light spectrum, if I understand correctly.
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Yeah. So, thank you very much, Lucy. We appreciate that.
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Very cool.
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And then from Lena, I got a 12-pack of Sanzo Seltzer.
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I'm seeing that you've had a mango Sanzo Seltzer.
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I had a chance to try that one.
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Uh-huh.
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And it's pretty good.
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It's pretty good.
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It's not sweet at all, which is really nice.
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It has kind of like a soft fruit and tea-ish vibe to it.
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Interesting.
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Which I enjoy.
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I do appreciate that.
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I've not given it a score yet, but I have tried it.
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I have to think about it a little more because it's complex.
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It's complex.
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Unlike some of these other ones that are just like, you try it and you're just like, whatever.
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You can't fuck up watermelon.
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No, but there's also a calamansi, which I don't know what that is.
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I have no idea. Is that a melon?
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I don't know.
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Okay.
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That's one of the flavors.
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And then the other one is lychee, which I'm very excited about.
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That'll be interesting.
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Yeah, I remember having a lot of lychee stuff back when I used to live in Hawaii.
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Yeah.
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And I remember liking it, but I don't know if I remember the flavor at all.
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So, I'm excited to try that.
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I will be interested.
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Thank you very much, Lena.
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Yes, thank you very much. I thought that was Lucy.
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No, Lucy was the...
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Lucy, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Sorry, my bad, my bad.
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And then finally got a little something from Rosemary and Renee.
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Sure.
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And this was just a delightful note that is far too long to read on this year episode.
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But we got some vegan jerky and sunflower crackers for you and your partner.
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Yep, we've enjoyed those.
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Got some spicy shark hot sauces.
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A jalapeno and a chotle, both very good.
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I've tried them.
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Yeah.
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Not super spicy, but good flavors.
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I enjoy them quite a bit.
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Also some seltzers that are made for children.
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So there's like a bubble gum flavor.
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What are they like, a chicken fingers and fries seltzer?
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What are we talking about?
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Bubble gum.
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That's the only one I remember.
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But I've not tried those yet.
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We'll probably maybe do a little recording where we try them because there's two of each of them.
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Yeah, that sounds like a great...
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So it's almost perfect for that.
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Yeah.
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And the thing that I thought was really charming about that is that Rosemary and Renee also sent
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along a little note that had their rankings and ratings of the seltzers so we can compare
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and contrast our feelings on it.
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So that was like a really sweet care package and I appreciate that very much.
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That's very kind.
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That's quite a bright spot for me in this week.
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So Jordan, we've got an episode to do here.
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Indeed we do.
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We're going to go far astray of the beaten path here today because I got to tell you,
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Alex Jones is still out of studio.
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Of course he is.
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He has not been in.
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What's going on for him to talk about?
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Nothing in the news.
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Owen Schreier was hosting and I don't care.
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Right.
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As it turns out, Alex has been out of studio this entire week and it leaves me a little
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bit in the lurch of trying to...
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We record this on Thursday and so one of the things that we can do is if Alex is out of
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studio Monday through Wednesday, I am on Wednesday evening thinking, okay, when his show starts
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on Thursday, I will know whether or not there is an episode of his to go over because if
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he's on air, then we can turn that around and try and get it out for Friday.
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But if he's out of studio, then it's like 11 o'clock and I don't know.
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I have to now find something to do.
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You're in limbo because you have to wait overnight.
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You can't just start working.
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Yeah, of course.
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So we found something to do and I'm pretty excited about this, but Alex has been out
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of studio and I believe that the reason is because that this week was when the Connecticut
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Supreme Court was deciding his motion that he was trying to overturn those sanctions
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against him after he went on that drunken outburst where he put a million dollar bounty
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on the head of the opposing council, Christopher Matti.
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Still a bad idea.
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It was not a good performance.
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No, no, no, no.
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I wouldn't recommend it.
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His former lawyer, Norm Pattis, was sitting next to him, which good you got out of that
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thing, Norm.
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Good work.
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So according to CBS, quote, the court issued a seven to zero decision rejecting Jones's
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claims that his comments aimed at attorney Christopher Matti were protected by free speech
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rights and upholding a lower court's ruling that Jones violated numerous orders to turn
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over documents to the family's lawyers.
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Well, there's that.
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This is a gigantic blow to Alex's case.
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The first thing is that, you know, he was facing steep financial penalties for the whole
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threatening Matti thing.
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Again, not a good idea.
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No.
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And now the Connecticut Supreme Court has ruled on this.
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So Alex doesn't really have any stalling or maneuvering tactics left to deploy.
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Call up Gorsuch.
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See what we can do.
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I don't know if Gorsuch is going to have his back.
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I don't think so.
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He's going to have to pay those fines.
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And he has no recourse left, really, to continue withholding documents from those lawyers.
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Simply put, this is a very strong indication that Alex is running out of tricks in this
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case.
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If it's gotten to the Connecticut Supreme Court, one of his like his motions to show
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it is a bad sign for Alex and definitely would be a reason for him to take on an unannounced
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vacation.
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I'm guessing that that's what's been going on.
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Yeah, nice little bender.
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Who knows?
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So yeah, it is looking, I think that is the easiest explanation for why he's been gone.
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Sure.
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I don't know if he had to go to Connecticut for it or, you know, if it's just like, hey,
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all of my lawyers who were representing me have been replaced.
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It'd be a chaotic time to have your thing in front of the Connecticut Supreme Court.
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So I guess whenever he gets back in studio, we'll figure out exactly what's going on.
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But Alex is gone, so I had to find something else to do.
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We are missing some peak, sad, drunk, esoteric Alex shows, though.
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If he were on the show right now.
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Yeah, no, of course.
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He put out another million dollar bounty on the Supreme Court!
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Almost certainly.
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I got nothing to lose now!
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Yeah, so I did find something, and we'll get to that here in a moment, Jordan.
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But first we gotta take a moment to say thank you to some folks who signed up and are supporting
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the show.
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So first, Bree Ogan, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Bree Ogan.
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Thank you.
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Next, there is no name, just a picture of a butt.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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A picture of a butt.
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Next, Shani C. with the master plan.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much, Shani.
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Next, Bethany C. Thank you so much.
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Maybe related?
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Maybe related, maybe.
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She doesn't have a master plan, though.
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Or Bethany C. does have a master plan and doesn't want to put it on.
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Part of the master plan is not telling people about your master plan.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Anyway, Bethany C., thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks, Bethany.
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Next, Little Miss Mimi, the meerkat muffin top maker of mischief and mayhem, parentheses
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AKA Mimi.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks, Mimi.
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We are getting some great honorifics today.
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This is a series of kings and popes.
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Yeah.
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Next, Michael M. and specifically requested that we shout him out under the rank of Digital
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Devil Summoner.
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So thank you so much, Digital Devil Summoner Michael M.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks, Michael.
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Next, Emily BR, two hyphenated last names.
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Emily BR, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Emily.
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Thank you.
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Next, Simon T. Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks, Simon.
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Simon.
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Thank you.
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Next, Totes Legit.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much, although I don't trust you.
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And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to another policy wonk, John Quill J. Thank
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you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks, John Quill.
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Thank you so much.
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If you're out there listening and thinking, hey, I enjoyed this show, I'd like to support
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these gents too, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking
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the button that says support the show.
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We would appreciate it.
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Or you could take that generosity and funnel it through a bunch of LLCs and dubiously named
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entities.
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I like it.
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To charity in your area that supports and helps people in need.
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We would appreciate that.
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So I don't want to tell you exactly what we're going to be doing.
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Of course you don't.
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Because, well, I don't know.
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I texted you and I told you this is going to be infuriating.
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And I think it will be.
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Okay.
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And it's going to be infuriating for the audience, too, quite frankly.
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Okay.
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Are we doing an episode of Oprah?
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What is happening?
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We are not.
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But before we get to the actual episode, we have to follow breaking news.
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Okay.
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And that is that there's an update on the Roger said a bad word on a radio show.
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Yeah, he's going hard R now.
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We have got some spin from Roger.
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We've got, oh, come on now.
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Blame somebody else.
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On well, on July 19th, that would be Sunday.
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Roger was a co-hosting the Alex Jones show along with Owen Troyer, doing a little bit
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of a dream a reunion.
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Yeah.
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The war room is back, baby.
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Yeah.
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And so he addressed the controversy because the story had broken on Sunday.
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So he's live on air with Owen.
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He's got to do.
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And here is his spin on the 19th.
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I can echo exactly what you say about the fake news media, because I've just been through
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this.
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Last Friday, I taped an interview for a L.A. based progressive radio host, Mo Kelly, whose
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show I had done previously and with whom we had found common ground in our opposition
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to the racist war on drugs.
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But this broadcast was a technological disaster.
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They cut my audio feed three times.
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The second time when they brought me back in, I was in the middle of some other show
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in which a woman and a man were speaking in French.
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I hung up, I called back in, and the first question I got from Mo Kelly was whether I
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had just called him a Negro, which, of course, I hadn't.
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Then he went on for the rest of the program and escalated my derriere as if nothing was
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wrong.
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So if I had called him this so-called racial slur, a lot of my black friends argue it's
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not a slur.
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But let's put that aside, because I didn't say it.
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Why didn't he react more aggressively?
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So that like, well, I mean, I can answer the why didn't he respond more aggressively?
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I mean, as he's a professional, first of all, that's his business.
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And then second of all, because Roger immediately gaslighted him by saying like, what?
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You're out of your mind.
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You're out of your mind.
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So the response of not being so certain that you heard what you heard is not that strange
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to me.
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Also, small point, the argument that people were talking in French, they were speaking
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French because the word for black in French is noir.
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They were speaking French.
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And as everybody knows, it's called Film Negro.
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That is how it works.
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What a great tip.
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What a fucking asshole.
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Because the rest of the sentences in English, the rest of the sentences in English, I don't
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want to argue with this is in English.
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And then noir is black in French.
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It doesn't make any sense, really, that he was listening to something else that had this
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nonsense.
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Right.
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That's so nonsense.
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What an asshole.
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Yeah.
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So this story is what he had on the 19th.
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And then on the 20th, he was a guest on Carpe Donctum's show.
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It's syndicated on Bandai Video.
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Of course it is.
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On Info Wars.
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And so Roger had a little bit of a more evolved excuse.
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The French part has fallen away.
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We've left that one goes.
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It turns out that one's too weak even for Roger.
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I would say that he's going to pretend that that wasn't part of his excuse.
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No, no.
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We now have the Controversy Du Jour, which is the completely false claim that I used
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a racial slur in an interview with a radio top show host in Los Angeles.
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Now, I did do a show.
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First of all, they tell you it was live.
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It was taped last Thursday for air on Saturday.
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Real quick, we already have a contradiction.
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The first time he said it was taped on Friday, this time he says it's on Thursday.
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Yeah, we've got one.
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I don't know.
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One in the one in the one in the pocket.
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Minor issue.
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Audio transmission went down three times.
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So the 40 seconds in which they say Stone was so stunned, he said nothing.
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No, I wasn't stunned.
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They disconnected me.
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And what people will soon learn is that the three days between the time I taped this and
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the time they aired it, what we have here is a pasted together, fabricated version of
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what was recorded.
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And the background noise in the section in which I allegedly use the word Negro doesn't
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match the background noise in any of the rest of the show.
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Brilliant.
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Plus the show host, a guy named Mo Kelly, goes on to be perfectly friendly.
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So if I insulted him, why for the next 45 minutes did he kiss my ass?
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None of it makes any sense.
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That didn't make any sense to me either.
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The surprise.
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I have gone, not one, but two different sound technicians who do a lot of audio analysis
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for the courts and the preliminary results demonstrate that this was all spliced together.
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And I'm looking for the second report.
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Sounds right.
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Could I sue Mr. Kelly? Yeah, I probably could.
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Oh, you totally could.
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Just prolongs.
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I think you should.
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One, I think you're going to be proven innocent in your trial and your appeal, which I'm sure
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is definitely still coming.
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Yeah, undoubtedly.
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Man, what a swing.
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That's impressive.
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That is a swing.
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That's impressive.
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There's an elaborate conspiracy against me.
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Occam's Razor tells me that you're lying right now and you said that word.
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Why do you say that?
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Why do you say that?
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Because in order for the rest of this to make sense, like what he's suggesting happened
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is like, okay, so there are these tech glitches.
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And as these tech glitches were happening, Mo Kelly operated in such a way as to be perfectly
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able to frame Roger for saying this word, and then afterwards they were able to somehow
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splice in something that sounds exactly like Roger Stone's saying.
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I mean, it's Mo Kelly needs to be involved.
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His producers need to be involved.
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Like there is such a...
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I don't understand either what it is he thinks that proves.
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That just means he spliced in a different time you said that?
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It would have to be Cretico.
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It would have to be somebody doing a Roger impression.
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I mean, it's elaborate.
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Or he just said it a week before.
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It's elaborate, but it's not...
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I don't buy this.
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This is weak.
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And you know what?
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This is Roger protesting too much.
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You should just shut up.
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You keep quiet.
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Your audience, like you pointed out, does not care.
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They don't give a shit.
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Your fans have moved on.
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They like you a little more, maybe.
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You may have widened the Proud Boy base that you have.
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Totally.
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They're fine.
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Yeah.
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You should just shut up.
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Because no one gives a shit.
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No one cares.
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Everyone's moved on.
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Yeah.
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Everybody who doesn't like you already knew you worked for Infowars.
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So we kind of know.
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Move along, Roger.
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I can't wait for his third excuse.
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This is what Roger does, though.
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This is the way he does damage control and spin and stuff.
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You see it throughout his career.
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He gets away with it everywhere but the courts.
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Yeah.
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So that was pretty funny to me.
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Now, that made me realize.
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I wanted to stick with the French speaking.
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I wanted to really try it.
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I wanted to explain.
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Once somebody explains what noir means in French,
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and they're like, and?
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I want to see Roger.
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Why was the rest of that sentence in English?
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I only speak a little French.
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No, no.
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He wasn't speaking it.
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You said he was watching some French program.
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Oh, God.
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Oh, man.
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So it was just in the background.
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Oh, pathetic.
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Nonsense.
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Pathetic.
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But through that, I was like, hey,
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Carpe Donctum's got a show.
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Oh, no.
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It's called Carpe's Corner.
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No, you are not going to play us a Carpe Donctum show.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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Do not tell me this.
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Carpe Donctum.
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You have to do something.
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Right.
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You know, Alex is out of studio.
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There needs to be something.
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I've listened to Owen Schroyer and David Knight.
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Their shows.
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They got nothing.
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Terrible.
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Weak.
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What if Carpe Donctum's awesome?
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What if he is awesome?
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Maybe he's a good broadcaster.
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I've seen him appear as a guest on Alex's show and he's terrible.
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What if he's a polymath?
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He's good at all kinds of different things.
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What if left to his own devices and freed
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from the chains of Alex's interview style?
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What if he's amazing?
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What if he's amazing?
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I don't know.
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So we have to find out.
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Yes.
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So I went and looked at his channel.
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OK.
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He has 11 episodes out now.
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The most recent one was Roger Stone.
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And it's not fair to judge the most recent episode,
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you know, the download numbers or view numbers,
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because it's like, well.
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You got Stone on there.
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Yeah.
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Well, no, no.
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It's very low.
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But it came out very recently.
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Right.
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So it's like, you know, maybe people
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haven't seen the tweets about it or whatever.
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So I went back and I looked at some of the earlier episodes.
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Episode two had Laura Loomer as a guest.
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Visionary Laura Loomer, as I call her.
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2.2 thousand views.
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That's not good.
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That was like two months ago.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Dinesh D'Souza was on episode three.
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Oh, boy.
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1.2 thousand.
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Ooh.
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That's not a good direction for your views to be trending.
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Episode five, Gavin McGinnis came in.
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The Heat.
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1.5 thousand.
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Oh, not good.
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Episode seven, Benny Johnson from Turning Point USA.
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All right.
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That's the way.
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That's four episodes back.
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Yeah.
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Because Roger is episode 11.
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417 views.
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417 views.
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That's very, very light.
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Oh, boy.
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That's not good.
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So those numbers are really depressing.
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But I figured that the Donk's probably only, it's not like he's only releasing these on
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Band.video.
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Sure, sure.
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So I decided to check out his YouTube page, and it's not looking much better over there.
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Oh, no.
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The most viewed episode is Gavin McGinnis, and that's at 7.3 thousand after over a month.
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It's not like his videos get no views, though.
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Yeah.
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Like the meme shit he posts, a lot of those still have like 10 to 20 thousand views sometimes,
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which isn't great, but it's not bad for some dick making memes.
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Well, they're short.
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Right.
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You know, they're easily consumable.
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And they're also things that are like, YouTube isn't the primary mode for memes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So if you're putting these memes out, obviously you're going to get way more views on them
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in another platform.
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Totally.
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Or something.
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It's not fair to judge those, but even still, those memes that he would put out would still
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get like 10 to 20 thousand on YouTube.
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So it's not like there's no traction here.
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Sure.
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I think the problem with his show is that no one wants it to exist.
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Yeah, that is an issue.
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Even his fan base doesn't seem like they're clamoring for a talk show hosted by a guy
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that they just liked because he made 30 second videos that kind of pandered to their beliefs.
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Like, it's not like you see this and be like, I wonder what that guy would do with a long
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form thing.
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Doesn't, doesn't...
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Oh boy.
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Oh boy.
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Yeah.
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I want a Carpe Donctum curated 60 minutes.
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That's what I was really thinking of that.
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Give me a Charlie Rose interview, but with Carpe Donctum.
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I'm Carpe Donctum and this is 2020.
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God damn it.
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No, I'm not saying it that time.
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That's great.
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I'll say it for you.
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That's great.
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That's what I, that's what I want.
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And I'd like to point out that I know full well what Carpe Donctum's real name is and
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I don't care.
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There's that whole thing like, I know that some people have like pushed back whenever
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I call Tommy Robinson, Tommy Robinson, sort of Steven Yaxley-Lennon or whatever.
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Right. I'll call Tommy Robinson alternating name.
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Sure.
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But I'm calling Carpe Donctum.
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Carpe Donctum is Carpe Donctum.
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You chose to call yourself that.
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You live with it for the rest of your life.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like calling Millie Weaver Rainbow Snatch.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Gonna happen.
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Yeah.
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Too late now.
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You've given yourself a nickname, alias kind of thing and we are deciding to keep going
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with it.
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It's grown beyond you.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So I saw these guests, Laura Loomer, Dinesh D'Souza, Gavin McGinnis, Roger Stone.
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Roger Stone, yeah.
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And I was like, it's a lot of people who kind of are in this milieu.
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You know, it's not uncommon to see Laura Loomer show up on Infowars or Gavin.
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Sure.
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It's kind of less common but not unheard of for Dinesh D'Souza to show up.
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He's too busy generally.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Probably doesn't want to get too associated with Alex.
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But he's still an asshole, yeah, yeah.
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And then I was like, how did this show start?
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Who was the first guest?
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Let's see.
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And I was blown away that the first guest on Carpe Donktoms...
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If you say it's Alex, I'm going to be pissed.
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It's not.
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Oh, okay.
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Carpe Donktoms.
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Alex hasn't been a guest.
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Nor has any actual employees of Infowars.
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Not for them.
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Coming up soon, I'm sure.
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All right.
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The first guest on Carpe's Corner was none other than Dave Rubin.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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Dave Rubin.
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Dave Rubin.
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Classical liberal Dave Rubin.
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Dave Rubin.
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Dave Rubin was the first guest on Carpe Donktoms, Carpe's Corner.
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We're off to a great corner.
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And I decided like, if we're going to listen to something,
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listen to fucking Dave Rubin, talk to Carpe Donktoms.
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That's a sentence that I've always wanted you to say, Dan.
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That's a sentence that I can't imagine anybody not wanting.
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I believe I told you this is going to be low stakes and kind of stupid and a little infuriating.
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Yeah.
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And now you understand why.
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Here we go.
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So I remember the first time we listened to a Bill Cooper episode,
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one of the things that you responded to the most was the theme song,
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which is Air Raid Sirens at Dogs Park.
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Yeah.
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This show is a little bit less of a good theme song.
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Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo.
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Welcome to Carpe's Corner.
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No.
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So happy that you're here.
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I want to pause.
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Carpe! Carpe! Carpe! Carpe!
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I've got to pause here for a second because there's a couple points.
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I'm not going to play the rest of this song, but he does also,
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in the theme song, it says like, review, and subscribe.
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Of course.
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Of course.
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Great. On brand.
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Okay.
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People have complained that our theme song is too long.
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Okay.
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We are just under a minute long.
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Right.
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And it's perfectly timed to the point where you can just like hit forward to a minute.
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15 seconds four times.
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You're good.
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You can skip past it if you like.
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Some people say it's too long.
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I disagree.
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Carpe Donkton's theme song is a minute and a half long.
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Oh, that's too long.
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That's too long.
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Does he do it himself?
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I mean, see if you can...
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Do you think this is his voice?
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So take a seat, have a tea, go grab yourself a beer.
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It might be.
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I don't know.
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It could be.
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It's that for a minute.
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Yeah, that's not good.
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See, that's what makes me think it's him.
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Is only somebody with that kind of vanity would be like,
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a minute and 30 of me is what this show needs.
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Yeah.
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And also like, Carpe's Quarter means like what?
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Sees his corner.
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Sees the corner.
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Shouldn't have been Donk's Corner or something like that.
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That would have been smarter.
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Yeah.
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Isn't Donk still more his name than Carpe?
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Right, right, right, right.
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Carpe's just a word.
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Like he has on his logo or whatever, it says Sees the Donk.
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Yeah.
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So like obviously Carpe still means Sees in terms of his stage name.
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So Donk, I don't care.
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Donk's Dome.
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Donk's Dome-a-cile.
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Donk's Dojo.
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Donk's Dojo.
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In two seconds, we've made a better name for it.
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Totally.
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You can have that, Carpe.
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No, you can't.
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I'll love it.
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I don't give a shit.
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Sees the Donk.
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Sees it.
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So I have to give an apology here in advance,
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and that is that Carpe Donk Dome's audio is trash.
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Of course.
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It is shit through the entire thing.
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Dave Rubin's audio, totally fine.
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Fantastic.
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It's totally fine.
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Yeah.
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Carpe's is bad to the point where if I had recorded this,
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I would never put it out.
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You would not release it.
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Every now and again, we have little pops that happen.
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And whenever it happens, and it's
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in the middle of something that isn't essential to the episode,
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I cut it out.
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You just cut it out.
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Because it hurts your ears.
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It's not pleasant to listen to.
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But sometimes you do have to leave it
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in, because it's in the middle of a piece of conversation
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that's like, well, if I cut this out,
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then I have to cut out 20 minutes.
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That's no good.
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Sure, right.
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If I were Carpe Donk Dome, and I cared
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about what I was doing at all, and I took anything seriously,
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this would never get released.
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Yeah.
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Even if you think Dave Rubin is a git,
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and I can't reschedule Dave Rubin.
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It's not possible.
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Even if you think that, don't put this out.
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It's trash.
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Hello.
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Oh, no.
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This is the first ever episode of Carpe's Corner.
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I am here with my very special guest, Dave Rubin.
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Say hi, Dave.
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Hello, Carpe and internet.
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I've been doing a big press tour right now.
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But when you offered me the opportunity
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to be on the very first episode of Carpe's Corner,
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we canceled everything.
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Could have been The Tonight Show tonight.
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Could have been something with Wolf Blitzer
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or something like that.
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Wolf Blitzer?
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Wow, wow.
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I said, he's got a green.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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CNN doesn't invite me on anything.
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You know, I'm doing every Fox show.
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They bring me on live.
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I can say whatever I want.
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I sometimes go on that show in my bathing suit,
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and I'm doing shots at tequila.
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Meanwhile, zero invites from MSNBC and CNN.
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Shocker.
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Yeah.
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That's why you're on Carpe's Corner.
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Shocking.
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Shocking that you don't get that.
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Within a minute of the interview,
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complaining about not going on together.
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My bookings are low.
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Bookings are not great, Carpe.
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That's why I said yes.
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Right now, I will tell you that this sounds
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like it should be Dave Rubin's show with professional audio,
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and Carpe Donkdom is calling in from an island somewhere.
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I'm going to guess that Carpe Donkdom is not relevant enough
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to get booked on Rubin Report.
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That's probably true.
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Although I have not kept up with his guests,
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and maybe he's been on.
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I have no fucking idea.
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No, I just mean the audio.
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Yes.
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Yeah, it's brutal.
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But that's because Dave is a pro,
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at least in terms of logistics and technical stuff.
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He has a studio and stuff.
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Like Carpe Donkdom, God knows what the fuck he's doing.
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Making memes.
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So Dave Rubin's whole shtick for the longest time
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had been he worked at the Young Turks,
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and then he had this, I'm a classical liberal.
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I am a liberal, but the left is going crazy.
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Yada, yada, yada.
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So he became like the favored right wing funnel for like,
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he's like a liberal who gets it.
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That was sort of his place.
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He found his grift.
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Yeah, that was a place in the marketplace.
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So he'd have the Rubin Report, and he'd have guests
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on like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Adam Carolla,
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Dennis Prager.
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Man, luminaries.
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Yeah, Tommy Robinson, Mike Cernovich, these sorts of folks.
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He would give an uncritical platform to them,
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and they would just say ludicrous nonsense.
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Nazi laundering.
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More or less, yeah.
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That's what his show existed to be for a bit.
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And then more recently, he's now just decided,
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nah, fuck it, and he works for The Blaze, Glenn Becher.
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So that's his sort of, like his path through this stuff.
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And now, I don't know what he's trying to do now,
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because I don't think there's much use for it.
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Like, I don't think the right wing has much of a use for it,
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because he's not pretending that he's a sensible
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left wing person anymore.
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Yeah, he's supposed to be.
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I don't know.
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We got plenty of Nazis, man.
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We're full of Nazis, Dave Rubin.
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I don't know what the schtick is, really, anymore.
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When you slip from being like this sort of prop
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that conservatives and far right people can use
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to justify themselves and their free speech nonsense,
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when you slip from that to being like,
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I work for Glenn Beck now,
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I mean, you end up on Donkdom's Corner.
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Yeah.
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You end up in the dojo.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We're not calling it Carpe's Corner.
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It's Donkdom's Dojo.
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It's kind of a bummer.
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I mean, I don't feel bad for it,
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but it's like, if you're Dave Rubin, you're like,
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I'm calling in and trying to shill my book
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with Carpe Donkdom.
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I'm talking to somebody who's underwater right now.
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Popping air bubbles as he speaks.
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But Dave Rubin fancies himself a comedian,
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because he was a comedian.
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He did do stand-up before,
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much like Gavin McGinnis,
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these folks who fancy themselves hilarious
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and then become reactionary dicks.
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Yeah.
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And so I think Carpe Donkdom wants to start things off
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with a bit.
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Sure.
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He wants to start things off with like,
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hey, this is going to be a loose environment.
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Yeah, this is why I became a successful comedian.
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Uh-huh.
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No, I do want to ask you a little bit about,
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what do you think of the outfits?
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Are we good with the outfit?
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You look like a very professional talk show host.
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You know, my look is a little more with the open neck,
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but I understand you're in the middle of the country.
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Your expectations are a little bit different.
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The crowd usually demands that I give them
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a little more of the chest situation,
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but, you know, to each his own.
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OK, well, I'm just, I'm going to, hold on.
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Mark, he doesn't like it.
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He doesn't like it.
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Oh, the pants.
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The pants were very nice.
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I hope he comes back.
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This is great.
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Hey, it's Corner.
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I'm your guest host, Dave Rubin.
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Host of the Rubin Report.
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Author of the New York Times best-selling
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Thinking for Yourself in the Age of Unreason.
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There we go.
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Is this better?
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Are we looking better now?
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So he stormed off to change his outfit.
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Dave was left to vamp, and instead of, like,
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elevating the bit, he really just decided to plug.
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Yeah, do a little plugging.
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I guess.
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I feel like if you're on Donk's Dojo,
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and, like, he does something like that,
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you're kind of, like, behooved to recognize
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that this is a bit, and do something,
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as opposed to sit there like, uh, like,
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uh, uh, uh.
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How early into the show are we?
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Minute.
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Minute into the show.
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Maybe a minute.
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We've played a...
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This is immediate.
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We've played an interminable theme song,
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and then a minute into the show,
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his very first show.
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Wow.
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He leaves.
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First for a pretend shift bit.
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First Dave Rubin complains that
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CNN isn't having a bond.
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That's right, that's right.
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Yes.
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Carpe doctor storms off.
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We are off to a, uh, pun intended,
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blazing start.
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And I didn't watch this,
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so I don't know what the outfit gag was,
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but I can't, I've tried to imagine, like,
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what the funniest version of this
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could possibly be,
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and I still don't think it's worth it.
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Um, all I know is Bolo tie.
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That's what I got.
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That's what I got for you.
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I think that, um, when he comes back,
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he's wearing, like, a Simpsons shirt
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or something like that,
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because they end up talking about
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how the Simpsons used to be better,
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and it's like, I don't care.
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Yeah.
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I don't care about this.
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Yeah, what are we doing?
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This tired conversation.
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Yeah.
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Uh, it seems like two, two, two luminaries
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in the world of online media,
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like Carpe Donkdom and Dave Rubin
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could come up with something better
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to talk about than how the Simpsons
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have seen better days.
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Hey, and while we're on the subject,
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do you like Friends?
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I think their theme song was too long.
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Yeah.
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So at this point, Carpe Donkdom learns
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that the audio is not good.
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Oh.
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And this is the point where I was like,
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wow, thank God, at least I'll fix it.
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So I'm getting, I'm getting some feedback here
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that my audio is choppy.
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Yours is just fine, but mine is choppy.
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So have you tried putting the microphone
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into the computer?
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Is it supposed to be plugged in?
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Good bit.
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Wow.
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That's not a bit.
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This is where I got really,
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unfortunately, disappointed.
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Yeah.
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It's one, it's a weird thing to say that like,
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this is where I got disappointed
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with the Carpe Donkdom show.
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Right, right.
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But I realized they're not going to fix this.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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You don't need to do this.
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Nope, got to do it.
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The show must go on.
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The fans are demanding more Donk's dojo, Dan.
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I don't understand.
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I mean, he does say that they did like pre-screen stuff
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and they tested everything and it was fine
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and now it's not.
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And I don't know if I believe that,
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but even if you did, then there's another problem
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and you got to delay.
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Yeah.
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This is unlistenable.
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You can't put out a product like this
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and expect anyone, like this is why you end up
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with receding numbers.
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Yeah.
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I mean, granted, I did listen to a little bit
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of the Laura Loomer one and the audio is fixed.
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Good, good.
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But like this is your shot, man.
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You got Reuben in the house.
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There's no way you could be like,
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Hey, I'm going to call Dave back in about a half hour.
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We're going to get the audio worked out.
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I mean, I think he did it live.
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And so like, but even so,
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even if you have like it going live,
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there's no rule that says you can't be like,
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guys, we got to fix this.
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We'll be right back.
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And then put the theme song on again.
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Yeah.
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By the time that theme song's over,
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you'll have your problem fixed.
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We did it in our live streams.
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Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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It sucks.
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It's awful.
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It feels bad to tell like a room of people
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who are watching like, Hey, we have a problem.
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We need to fix it.
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But the alternative is do shit.
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Yeah.
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Like you can't, you can't expect anyone
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to take you seriously if this is what you're bringing.
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Anyway, they get to talking about like a Twitter censorship.
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Of course.
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That's one of the big Picadillos.
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Biggest problems of today.
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Culture wars stuff.
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And so Dave Rubin has an interesting perspective
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on it that is somewhat along the lines of like,
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and Twitter can do whatever they want.
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Interesting.
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But he also seems to want to suggest
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that there's a conspiracy going on.
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She's locked out and she has,
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she has appealed the suspension.
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Or he's talking about Candace Owens being locked out.
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Or whatever it is.
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But nobody's gotten back to her.
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So she's trying to figure out what to do
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because it's like, she's a private citizen.
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She's allowed to make a comment.
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Now as a private company, you know my feelings on this.
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Twitter can do what they want.
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But did the government put pressure on Twitter to boot her?
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And are they ever going to let her back?
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And if, you know, once you're de-platformed,
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it's like, they're taking away your ability
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to make a living for people like us.
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So we do have to figure out some alternatives.
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And you know that I do believe in competition
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and I put my money where my mouth is.
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That is true.
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You have offered me a spot at Locals,
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which I greatly appreciate.
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We'll get back to that in a second.
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The theory that the Donald Trump government
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has somehow pressured Twitter to not let Candace Owens on,
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I'm going to need a source on this.
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I was wondering.
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I'm going to need a citation on this, Dave,
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before you're just like wildly throwing that around.
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So your government, who is 100% in agreement
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with all the bullshit Candace Owens has.
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And I believe Trump has even tweeted positive things
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about Candace Owens.
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Totally.
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They put pressure on Twitter to get her out, specifically.
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Well, I mean, this is how you have that Weasley position.
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Like obviously, yes, Twitter can choose
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to do what they want in terms of the service that they provide.
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Now, how do I get around that?
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Somebody must be forcing them to do it.
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How do I get around the implications
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of me having this seemingly rational belief?
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How can I turn this wacky?
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I can't allow people to believe that that's what I believe,
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because they'll get very angry at me.
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I'll lose the donks of the world.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so I don't know.
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That's real, real silly.
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I don't cut into that at all.
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And he can't pull off globalists.
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He has to say the government.
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He can't even say, can he even say
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it's like the deep state in the government doing it?
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I bet he probably could.
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Yeah, he could probably pull that out.
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So then we get to Dave Rubin bringing up locals.
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Or I believe Carpe Donkton brought up locals.
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For singles.
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And this is something that Dave Rubin has launched.
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And it's basically a weird sort of Patreon kind of thing.
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Sure.
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I signed up for an account on it to have a look around.
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And it is a not great website.
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It's really hard to tell how many creators are actually
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on the platform, because once you sign up for an account,
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there's no option to browse content creators
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to discover new folks who you might be interested in.
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Like, oh, they're here.
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Oh, that's crazy.
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That's not good.
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All you can do is search for names
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and see if something comes up.
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Infowars and Alex Jones yield no results.
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So I guess they're not part of Dave's concept of free speech.
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They're all the way in Austin.
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They're not locals.
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So the site is basically just a Patreon-style crowdfunding
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site with a little more of a social media bend to it.
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You can join a specific creator's quote unquote
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community for a fee, then you're allowed to see their news feed
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and whatever they choose to post on it.
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Sure.
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Basically, it's like a free speech Twitter
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that you have to pay for.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Overall, I found the roster of folks who have accounts
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on there to be lacking.
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What do we got?
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Like Andy Ngo.
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Oh, great.
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He's a hero.
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Carpe Donkdom.
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Of course Donk's on there.
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Dave Rubin.
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Dave Rubin's on there, of course.
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Names I didn't recognize.
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All right.
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I found the site's navigational capacity to be shit.
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And the idea of there being like a paywall aspect to it
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is a huge turn off.
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Insane.
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There's no way the government, Trump's government,
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pressured Twitter to kick Candace Owens off.
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And there's no way this is ever going to work as a website.
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It's just.
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It's trash.
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There are just slight tweaks that
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need to be made to even make it like appealing
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as a user experience.
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Yeah.
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You have to come in knowing whose community
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you want to find.
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Right.
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Which you're trying to steal people from another business.
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You're hoping that whoever you invite to join,
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as he invited Carpe Donkdom to, is
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going to bring all of the people that they would
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be bringing along with it to it.
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Yeah.
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He wants those 487 views, buddy.
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That's got to be on Locals.
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Yeah.
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So I mean, that's the plan.
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It's like whatever people aren't allowed on other things,
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have them migrate their base to this platform
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and we could take a cut off the top of it.
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Totally.
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Which isn't like, I mean, it's not like.
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It's not the first middleman website there's ever been.
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No.
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And it's not intrinsically an evil thing.
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No.
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It's just not revolutionary.
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And I guarantee that if people behaved
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in ways that were illegal, they would get kicked off that
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as well.
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Yeah.
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Like they would have to.
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Yeah.
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Because you're creating these communities
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that are facilitated by this Locals website.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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And so if somebody is organizing Nazi rallies
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or a violent kind of event, then you
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would have to kick them off.
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And then, uh-oh, where's free speech?
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Yeah.
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I don't understand.
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Do they just not understand who they're dealing with?
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Does Dave Rubin not get that if you create a place for all
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the people who got kicked off Twitter,
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you're going to find out that all the people who got kicked
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off Twitter were Nazis.
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And now they're a group of Nazis.
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Dave's getting around it the same way Alex is,
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which is like Band Top Videos used to be the place where
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all the band people go.
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But it's invitation only.
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You can't post there unless Alex explicitly allows you to.
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Yes.
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Dave Rubin invites people to come on to Locals,
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as opposed to it being a thing where anybody
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can sign up for creator accounts.
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Bananas.
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Anyway, Dave gets to talking about how, like, you know,
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Fox News, he's on there a lot.
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Of course he is.
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He's great.
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And wouldn't you know it, the people who work there,
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they're more human than, like, people at CNN,
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where incidentally, they don't invite him.
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It does seem like he has a conflict of interest here.
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It seems like there might be a little bit of a, like, hey,
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people who want to have me around seem cooler than the
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people who don't.
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So I think they've just figured out a way to make people,
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to bring on hosts that are more human, where on CNN,
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it's like, nobody really wants to hang out with Chris Cuomo.
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Imagine Wolf Blitzer laughing.
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I mean, these aren't real people.
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They've become these one dimensional things.
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And, you know, that being said, I would still go on their
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shows if they invited me.
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I'm on a book tour right now, and I haven't been invited
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by any of them, but I get invited by Fox all the time.
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This makes me very sad.
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This is not good.
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This is not good.
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No, no, no.
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That's not good.
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These people aren't even human.
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They're not human.
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That's sad.
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Of course.
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I would love to be on their shows if they want.
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I'm on a book tour.
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Look, you talk to non-humans all the time.
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It's like in a video game.
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They're NPCs.
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Come on, man.
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I played Final Fantasy XI.
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Now I know what's up.
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We're like a couple minutes into this interview, and it's
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the second time he's brought up it.
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No one at CNN wants to bond.
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Oh, man.
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It turns out those guys whose brand is Reactionary Victimhood
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is, yeah.
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Dave Rubin's one of these guys, too, that I always thought,
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like, he's interesting, but I don't want to talk about it
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because I feel like other people, like the majority report
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does a really good job of covering Dave Rubin related
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content and taking care of his business.
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And he's not really on Infowars much.
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And the only reason that we're really even doing this
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is because this is on Carpe D'Antem's show on Infowars.
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We got to do it.
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It's got to be done, Dan.
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But it does bum me out a bit.
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This next clip here, Carpe D'Antem is sort of dealing with
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Dave's assertion that people at Fox News are more human
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than people at CNN.
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And now he thinks that Fox News has gone lefty.
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Oh, of course.
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It's gone lefty, man.
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Yeah, there's sort of a debate of has Fox News gone lefty?
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Have they gone progressive?
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I think it's really started after what's-his-name took over.
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He's on the board now.
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Paul Ryan, but...
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Wait, is Paul Ryan?
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You mean Paul Ryan, the former Congressman Paul Ryan?
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He's on the board of Fox News?
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He's on something of Fox News.
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Huh.
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I didn't know that.
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All right.
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That clip is really interesting to me, because here we have
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Carpe D'Antem making a claim, which is that Paul Ryan is on
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the board of Fox News.
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Sure.
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Dave Rubin is surprised by this claim, which implies that
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he has no idea if it's true or not.
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In response to Dave being surprised by the claim, the donk
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loses his confidence in his own claim and says that Paul
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Ryan's on the board of something.
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He's probably there somewhere.
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This leads me to believe that neither of these dudes really
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actually know what they're talking about.
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And there's vague ideas about stuff.
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Yeah.
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I feel like Paul Ryan's on the board there.
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Somebody must be doing something.
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I read a headline.
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Yeah.
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So in March 2019, it was announced that Paul Ryan was
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joining the board of Fox Corp, the parent company of Fox
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News.
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Sure.
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This was all part of the reorganization that came after Disney
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bought 21st Century Fox, but they didn't buy the properties
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that involved Fox News.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Thus, Fox News and the Fox TV stations were reorganized as
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a standalone company called Fox Corp, and the board of
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directors for this parent company needed to be appointed.
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Paul Ryan is on that board, but Rupert Murdoch and his son
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Lachlan are largely still the ones pulling the strings.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's more of just like a, I would assume it's largely a,
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here's a hammock.
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It just never occurs to these guys that maybe they've gone
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Nazi, and you can't be a Nazi in the mainstream yet.
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You can be mostly, you can be 75% Nazi in the mainstream,
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but you can't go full Nazi.
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They're like, well, we've gone full Nazi, so that means that
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the Fox News must be going progressive.
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You're talking about Carpe Donctum's lefty critique.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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They just can't, like they can't wrap their heads around,
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maybe we became Nazis.
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And maybe we're super far afield.
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We got too far to the right.
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It's possible.
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If Carpe Donctum is serious that Fox News is going
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progressive or lefty, then it should be some indication,
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like you're saying, of how extremely far to the right he
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is.
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Yeah.
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And the fact that Dave Rubin doesn't take that as some kind
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of a really weird sign of his politics.
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Like this person who's interviewing you is saying that
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Fox News is going lefty.
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Fox News of the literally black people are coming to take
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your property away.
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Caravans.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Lefty.
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Too progressive.
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Build the wall, like most progressives want.
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Wow.
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All right.
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Jesus Christ.
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Cool, real lefty stuff.
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A state-run propaganda network, essentially.
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I would see that as a troubling sign.
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If I were Dave Rubin and I were being interviewed by the
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Donc- I would need to take like at least 20 minutes to
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unpack that.
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Why do you think Fox News is-
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Just ask the question.
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Even if I were in Dave Rubin's position where I'm this guy
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who's like, hey, I'm sensible.
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Yeah.
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I'm in the middle politically.
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Also, he gets invited on Fox News all the time.
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Yeah.
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Shouldn't he be a little, you know?
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Yeah, he's supposed to be the guy who went away from the
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left.
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Exactly.
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Now he's being accused of being on a lefty platform.
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He's too lefty now.
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I guess.
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So, I mean, his whole brand and the whole thing is about
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leaving the left.
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That's Dave Rubin's entire raison d'etre.
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And so Carpe brings this up a little bit here to get into
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like that, because of course, if you're having them on,
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that's what you want to talk about.
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I really enjoyed your personal- again, I've only read
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about half of it because I had so much to do this week.
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But-
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So much.
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The boga.
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Your personal stories, your early on sort of your going
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down the path of not being a progressive anymore.
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When do you think that the progressive movement started
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going so far?
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Oh, I want to hear this.
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You know, it's funny because people will say to me, how is
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it possible you were one of them?
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And it's sometimes, honestly, it's hard for me to remember
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what it was like to think like that.
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But you can literally find videos of me supporting Bernie
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Sanders five years ago.
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Those videos are on YouTube somewhere where I'm saying I
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agree with Bernie Sanders, blah, blah, blah.
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Dun, dun, dun!
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Uh-oh, now we can see his true colors, Dan.
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Yeah, what, in the primary against Hillary?
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Of course you did, dick.
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You were a pretend-
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Yeah, exactly.
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You were a fucking weirdo, conservative, pretending to be
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a liberal back then.
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You had to hate-
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Of course you favored Bernie Sanders to Hillary.
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You were sowing division.
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You weren't believing in anything you were saying.
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Yeah, and that's his marquee example of like, I can't
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imagine what it was like to think like that.
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Yeah, oh boy.
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I can't imagine what it was like to think that I needed to
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tear down and restructure the entire government.
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That's a crazy idea that I would never hold.
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So Dave's answer for this question relies on a boat
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metaphor, and I guess the Democrats or the left are the
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boat, and then there are water-breathing socialists who
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are underneath the boat.
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And here's how that goes.
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So you have to understand that liberalism, as it's presented
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today, when people talk about the libtards and all that stuff,
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what they're really addressing is socialists and collectivists
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and the progressive wing of this thing.
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And I think what happened was good liberals.
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What's the deal with liberals?
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Well, liberals are open minded.
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What's the deal with liberals?
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Liberals like seeing other voices and all of that.
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And liberals basically want to be liked, I think, in a way
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that conservatives actually don't, which is a credit to
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conservatives in a weird way.
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And I think what the progressives saw was they saw the
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weak underbelly.
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Like, picture it's a ship.
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Liberalism is a ship.
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And then the progressives are swimming underneath, and then
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they see a little hole.
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And what that hole was was tolerance.
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That liberals always want to be tolerant.
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So the progressives got in there, and then by tricking
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everybody, pretending that they're tolerant all the time.
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We love black people.
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We love gay people.
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We love Muslims.
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We love trans people.
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Which, of course, they love none of those people.
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They only love the ones that behave, not the ones that
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talk to three thinkers.
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But they saw the weak underbelly of liberalism.
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And they just went in there, and they ripped the whole
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thing apart.
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And that's why there are no liberals anymore.
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You know, there's Bill Maher, who's a liberal.
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I still consider myself a liberal.
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But by any estimation, I mean, really, the phrase that I like
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now, now that I've been being interviewed a lot, I would
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consider myself a modern conservative.
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New label.
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Modern conservative, whatever the fuck that means.
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I consider myself a liberal.
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But I mean, obviously, what I really am is a modern
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conservative.
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Right, right.
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I went from classical liberal to modern conservative.
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I just chose a different time designation and then flipped
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my alignment.
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See, I'm personally a baroque centrist, Dan.
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That's what I'm doing.
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I'm a rococo libertarian.
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Whatever.
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All right, buddy.
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So I want to just talk about this metaphor a tiny bit.
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Sure.
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Like, I don't necessarily believe that this is even the
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case, but how easy is it just to be like, aha, let's imagine
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the same boat, and it's conservatism, and the people
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under the boat are the Tea Party, and instead of tolerance,
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the whole is racism.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There you go.
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Play the same stupid game.
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Like, all right, all right.
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Here's my metaphor for this boat.
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All right, remember the Mayflower.
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Imagine the Mayflower in that time period when the Mayflower
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existed, when you could be a classical liberal, right?
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And there was a little hole in the boat of the Mayflower,
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and they let all the Nazis in and then made a country out
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of it.
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That's about the boat that I consider.
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Well, this isn't good, because you don't help us so divisioned
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with that.
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You're not helping us with the two-sided thing.
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No, I'm just saying that Nazism has basically been here
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from the beginning.
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You see what I'm saying?
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Because we let them in that boat.
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OK.
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Because there was a hole in the boat, and everybody died
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of scurvy on the boat.
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Mm-hmm.
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My feeling on this.
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I think this metaphor got away from me.
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I think it did.
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My feeling on this is that Dave Rubin's supposed to be a guy
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who's got these ideas that are really cool and good.
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And I think this is a dumb idea.
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Right.
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And so because of tolerance, and Democrats like to be liked,
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so the left, they're the people in the boat,
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and they like to be liked.
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Mm-hmm.
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And then there's a hole at the bottom of the boat, which
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is tolerance, which kind of makes
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you think that left to their own devices tolerance
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would sink the left boat.
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It's a hole at the bottom of a boat sinks a boat.
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It's plugged with progressives, Dan.
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No, no, no.
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Well, huh.
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The progressives pulled the plug.
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Oh, they did pull the plug.
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I'm expanding his metaphor a little bit here.
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We're growing.
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Uh-huh.
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Because otherwise, it's not a hole.
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No.
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Unless the progressives made it a hole.
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Did they have one of those swirly drills?
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Must have.
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Yeah, I think so.
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This is dumb.
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It means nothing.
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And it sounds good to him, though.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It sounds good, like, oh, yes, the progressives
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are exploiting the desire of people
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to appear tolerant in order to blah, blah, blah,
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take over the left, or whatever.
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Yeah, it sounds good to you, but it doesn't mean anything.
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That's a stupid, nonsensical metaphor that you're making.
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Um, and modern conservative doesn't mean anything either.
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No, it doesn't.
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I think, I think, OK, here's my metaphor, all right.
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Imagine progressive, the boat's still the same.
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OK.
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Boat's the same, but it includes everybody.
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OK.
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And then everybody is just strangling
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progressives under the water.
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I think that would be my boat metaphor.
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What's the hole?
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That's where they toss conservatives.
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Yeah, whatever.
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It's a bad metaphor, Dan.
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Yeah, I mean, it didn't start good.
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And we didn't fix it, but I don't know.
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Anyway, that should give you some sort of sense
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of the kind of, like, conversation they're having.
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It's just like, this means nothing.
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Yeah, this is pointless.
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Yeah.
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So Dave, he believes that Trump should win in 2020.
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Because he's a modern conservative.
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A modern conservative.
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Yeah, naturally.
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He believes that, like, wow, I mean,
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it's still just, it's either Biden or Trump,
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and we got to go Trump.
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But he also subscribes to a magical style of thinking
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that in 2024, this will all just be over.
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Yay.
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All this craziness that's going on,
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it'll just resolve itself in 2024.
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It feels like there are no rules anymore.
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I suspect some of the rules and decency
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is going to come back after Trump's second term.
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I think 2024, actually, I know it sounds crazy
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to even talk about that.
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But I think that's when things reset.
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We probably have four more years of craziness
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and getting through, you know, whatever happens with corona.
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But I think after eight years of Trump,
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I actually think there's so much rich intellectual diversity
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on the right, whether it's conservative or, you know,
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there's more traditional religious conservatives
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or more libertarian ones.
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Rich intellectual diversity.
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Like, I think the right, there's such a rich thing
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going on right now.
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Rich thing?
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2024, they are going to put up a seriously cool list
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of candidates that are going to be a little more
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traditionally presidential than Trump.
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Trump will have done his job, basically.
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And I think they'll get Crenshaw in and a bunch of people
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that we don't even know about now,
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but they'll know what they're talking about
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and they'll know why they believe what they believe.
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I got bad news for you about the right wing's feelings
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about Dan Crenshaw.
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He's not beloved by some of the more extreme Trump types.
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But he is a proponent of rich intellectual diversity.
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That's what we know about these guys.
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I've heard Dave Rubin make comments
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like this in other settings.
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And he's included like Candace Owens
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and the crop of folks who will be in the running for office.
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Nick Fuentes, 2024, kill everybody that's not white.
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I have bad news about the progression
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that things are going down.
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Oh no, they're going great.
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There's a lot of QAnon candidates this cycle.
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And we need to intellectually diversify,
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so we're adding in QAnon people.
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I don't see any reason to believe that 2024
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is going to be magically a return of sanity,
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unless there's some kind of like some pseudo spiritual,
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like all the stars are in the right houses or whatever.
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I heard the planets were going to align in 2024.
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It's true.
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There's a pole shift or something
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and we all transcend.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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And maybe 2024 is going to be a return of sanity.
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2024, we're already pure light now.
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Yeah, exactly.
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We've become light beings.
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Maybe in those circumstances,
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I might be OK with what I'm hearing.
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But otherwise, I think 2024 has the potential
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to be so much worse.
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They don't understand.
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I guess they just really don't even
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understand the strength of conservatives
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is that there is no diversity.
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That's their power.
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They say the same thing over and over and over again
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until people believe it.
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The diversity is only going to ruin them.
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With one exception, and that's Rand Paul.
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And by the way, debate Jordan, you coward.
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Yeah, coward.
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Coward, Rand Paul.
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Right now, day three of Rand Paul,
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not answering your call to debate.
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We're going to keep track of this.
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We'll get him.
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Three days since Rand Paul cowardly
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ducked your challenge to debate.
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Yeah, quit holding up legislation
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that would help people and start debating me.
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Come on, Rand.
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Come on, Rand, you coward.
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We'll come to Kentucky.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I'll even get COVID to hang out with you, Rand.
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You can debate Rand.
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I'll take his dad.
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Is his dad still alive?
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He is.
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Oh, man.
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I'd just have a beer with Ron Paul and yell at him
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by like, come on.
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Come on, you racist asshole.
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Tell me about invading Dominica.
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Come on.
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I know you knew about it.
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There's one thing we can agree on.
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That's great.
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So a bit of this, I mean, really,
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you don't get a good sense of leaving the left outside
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of it being this boat metaphor where progressives
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are using tolerance to whatever.
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Pretty sure that's how we let Nazis in.
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Well, whatever.
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It's not really well fleshed out or thought out.
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Not good.
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Now a whole lot of the rest of this ends up
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becoming like Dave Rubin talking about meeting Trump.
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Great.
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Cool.
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These guys are really, really making a compelling case
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for this show being essential.
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Yeah.
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So here is Dave discussing that.
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And man, Trump is real.
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So you said you met the president.
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When was that?
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Met the president on December, I believe it was 21st of 2019.
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I was doing an event for Turning Point in West Palm Beach.
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And I actually spoke in the morning.
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I was opening up the day.
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And then they canceled everybody because Trump
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announced he was going to be there.
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So in effect, I ended up opening up for Trump.
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And I had never heard him speak live before at an event.
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And I was sitting in the first or second row,
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I think second row.
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And what I realized is Trump is basically,
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he's part businessman, part politician now.
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But really what underlies all that is
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he wants to be a stand-up comic, I think,
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more than anything else in a lot of ways.
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Like he goes up there.
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He's a true reality star.
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He wants to be a reality.
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I think he likes that more than anything else.
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He likes being real.
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That's the, I always tweet this thing.
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It's like, how is the orange man with crazy hair
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more real than any of the other people?
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But it's true.
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It's like, who is more authentic?
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Donald Trump or Elizabeth Warren?
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Who's more authentic?
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Donald Trump or Pete Buttigieg?
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It's not even close.
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I think that Dave's projecting.
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I think he wishes he was a successful stand-up.
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You think?
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Yeah, maybe.
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I don't know.
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I also love-
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Oh, man, I've been doing this 20 years.
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I'm still opening for Trump.
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Jesus Christ.
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Now let's talk about that.
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That's the same thing as when you hear somebody
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who's like, yeah, I opened for, I opened for,
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I can't even come up with a name.
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Jerry Seinfeld.
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It's like, no, you were doing a spot at a club
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and then he dropped in.
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You didn't open for him.
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This is, that's nonsense.
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You can't put that on your resume.
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No, that's opening for screech.
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That's how pathetic that is.
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That's you in fucking Minnesota.
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But Dustin Diamond just dropped in.
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He wasn't even scheduled.
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Yeah, exactly.
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He wasn't scheduled.
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You got bumped for Diamond.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Ooh, brutal.
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You do see that a lot, though.
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People trying to sort of over-inflate their resumes.
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And that's how it sounds with Dave.
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Like, yeah, I was doing the speaking thing
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for Turning Point.
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And Trump dropped in.
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So I guess I opened for him.
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Did a tight five.
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Oh, boy.
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So Dave's mind was blown by hearing Trump give a speech.
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And he got it.
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He started to get it.
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Really?
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So anyway, so Trump goes up there.
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And then for the first time, when you see him speak,
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actually, I really put the whole thing together
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about how the media works with him.
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Because he goes up there and he starts
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talking about wind power, right?
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And he goes, nobody knows more than wind power than me.
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I've been studying wind power.
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I've been studying wind power my whole life.
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The whole crowd laughs.
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Like, he obviously means it as a joke.
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And then actually, he laid out some.
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He went back to prompter.
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And he starts saying some interesting information
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about wind power.
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But I turned to David.
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And I was like, I know that the headline tonight
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is going to be Donald Trump claims
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he knows more about wind power than anybody.
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And lo and behold, the articles come out.
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And it's like, he's just, as a meme guy yourself,
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it's like he's just punking the hell out of him.
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So this is one of these moments where you kind of have
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to suspect that Dave Rubin is not a sincere commentator.
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No.
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If you just take this strictly based on the words he's saying,
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then you're left to assume that he believes that the way Trump
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expresses authenticity is to make
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claims that are completely nonsensical and not
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true, which the media will point out
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are nonsensical and not true, and Trump's base
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can pretend they were masterful jokes meant to punk the media.
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Right.
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Even if all that were true and accurate, which it's not,
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I would disagree that this is an example
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of a person being authentic.
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This event where Dave Rubin was at, where he saw Trump speak,
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was a case where Trump got super weird about wind turbines
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for a while.
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He was claiming that creating wind turbines
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creates more fumes and pollution than other energy sources,
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which is just patently not true.
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That must be some of the interesting information.
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Look, wind turbines create all of that by, they blow air.
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Well, no, no, because he was talking about, like,
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the manufacturing process of it.
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No, no, I understand.
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I understand.
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A 2014 study found that the pollution created
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by manufacturing a wind turbine is offset within five
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to eight months of them being in operation.
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Wow, that's too long.
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That's too long, Dan.
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We've got to go back to clean coal.
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That's what we've got to do.
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Trump went on to, he claimed that, quote,
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I've studied it better than anybody.
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Then he proceeded to explain that, quote,
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you see all these windows.
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But he meant windmills, if you look at the context.
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Exciting indoors.
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You look at all these windmills, they're
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all different shades of color.
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They're all sort of white, but ones like orange-white.
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That's my favorite color, orange.
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It was a load of rambling nonsense
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that Dave Rubin is trying to recontextualize
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as trolling the media.
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But it was nothing of the sort.
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It was an unhinged idiot just talking shit.
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Trump has been very opposed to the expansion of wind power.
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And a lot of people have noticed that it's
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weird how one of the first times this came up
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was in relation to him lobbying against the building of wind
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farms near the golf courses he owns in Scotland.
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Yeah.
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Weird.
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Yeah.
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This was also actually, that speech that Dave Rubin was at,
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that was actually also a speech where Trump encouraged
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the audience to chant, 16 more years, instead of four more
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years.
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Hey, that's great.
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But that didn't seem to make an impression on Dave.
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Nah, don't worry about it.
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It was a completely unacceptably fascistic speech
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that included lines like, quote, the Democrat party is trying
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to shred our Constitution, tear down our history,
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erase our nation's borders, and, quote,
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they want to punish America.
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We will fight to preserve America.
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And that's what we're doing.
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I think I just got it.
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Yeah, you might have.
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I think Dave Rubin just got what he wanted.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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If Rubin could watch that speech,
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and the thing he comes away with is
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that Trump is masterfully trolling the media by claiming
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he's a wind expert, Dave isn't much of a thinker.
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No.
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But he does seem impressionable, in the sense
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that you have this thing where Fox News personalities are all
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great, and they're all human.
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They're very nice.
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And they just so happen to be the ones who
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invite him on the show.
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Could be.
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The other people at CNN, they're just fucking things.
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Not human.
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Not human.
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Right, and you kind of get the sense that maybe, maybe,
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some of this sort of positive stuff about Trump
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has to do with the fact that at this turning point thing,
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Don Jr. Invited him to dinner.
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There you go.
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Anyway, after the talk, Trump Jr. Was there,
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and we've become kind of friendly,
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and I've had him on my show.
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And he was with Kimberly Guilfoyle, his girlfriend.
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He said, hey, why don't you and David join us for dinner
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at Mar-a-Lago?
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Obviously, we were like, yeah, let's do it.
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Thing that's distracting is that Dave Rubin's husband's name
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is David.
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Of course it is.
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Of course it is.
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The reference gets a little bit.
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That's just being cruel to me.
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Yeah.
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Go to Mar-a-Lago.
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It's hard to describe what the place is like.
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It sort of looks like Trump.
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It's kind of over the top, and it's golden,
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and it looks like it's just got sprayed with hairspray
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and whatever.
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But it's actually quite nice also.
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Like, I don't think it's over the top.
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Sounds like you just said garish and stupid.
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In a truly gaudy sense.
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There's something old school about it,
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and tons of security and all that.
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So we go in, and there's two dining rooms.
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It's a country club, in effect.
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And we go in, there's two dining rooms.
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The main dining room has maybe, I don't know, 60 people or so.
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And they take us into the smaller dining room,
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maybe about 20 people.
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And we're sitting right in the center,
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and it's the four of us.
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And then Trump is sitting, I don't know, maybe eight feet
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away, and he's with Melania and Rudy Giuliani
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and a couple other people.
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And this is now literally like two or three days
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after the impeachment vote.
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So every story on CNN, the walls are floating in.
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This is a great story.
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Donald Trump's freaking out.
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He's paranoid.
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Why did he not succeed at the stand-up?
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The walls, he's.
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Yeah, all of the nonsense.
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He's screaming at the staff.
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We see him sitting there.
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He has no tie on, which you very rarely see him with no tie.
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You know, his hair is like a little more disheveled
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because he's kind of relaxed.
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And he's having a ball.
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He's laughing.
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Giuliani's laughing.
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Everyone's laughing.
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Anyway, we have a really nice dinner.
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And then Junior says to me, hey, do you want to meet my dad?
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So we walk up to him, and Trump's sitting.
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And Junior says, hey, Dad, I want you to meet Dave Rubin.
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He's got a great podcast.
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And Trump looks at me, and he goes, you know what?
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I recognize you, I recognize you.
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And I was like, oh, well, I'm on Tucker a lot.
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And he goes, oh, that must be it, that must be it.
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And then he turns to David.
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David is my husband.
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Yeah, I am gay married to a man.
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He turns to my husband, David.
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He goes, who are you?
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And David goes, well, I'm his husband.
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And Trump goes like this.
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He slaps his hands on the table, slaps his hands.
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He goes, well, that's just great.
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That's just great.
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I can't believe it.
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I want to stand up and shake your hand.
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And then he shakes our hands, and he turns to Melania.
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And he goes, Melania, can you believe it?
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These two guys are gay.
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Isn't that great?
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And then he goes, your only problem,
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he goes, your only problem is you're too good looking.
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This doesn't sound like a normal reaction.
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Does he think that's a good, is that a good story?
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Does that paint Trump in a positive light to him?
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It doesn't sound good to me.
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It sounds like he's going overboard.
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It sounds like he's like, hey, we got a gay.
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Like, that's what he's saying.
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He's saying Trump literally told me to my face
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that I'm a token.
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And I was like, you're the president.
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It seems like a much more normal response
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would be like, it's a pleasure to meet you.
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You know, like, this is my husband, David.
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I'm the president.
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Hey, nice to meet you.
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You know, it's you.
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What?
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You're a gay?
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Melania, check this out.
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They do exist.
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Holy shit, my son found a gay.
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Right?
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How do you not read it as that?
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It's so weird.
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That is awful.
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Yeah, I mean, I guess it's not mean.
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If I were David, I would be very uncomfortable.
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That would make me feel very sick about and very
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uncomfortable.
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But at least it's not like, I guess.
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Get him away from me.
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Right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Don't let him look at me.
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That's how you turn gay.
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I guess that, like, Dave Rubin's story
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is, like, the lowest fucking bar in terms of, like,
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he didn't kick me out because of that.
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Yeah, he did other us in a way that he never
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would with a heterosexual couple.
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Like, can you imagine if, like, this is my wife.
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Would you?
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Holy shit.
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We got a man and a woman married here.
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Hold on the phone.
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You stop me right now.
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Oh, man.
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Yeah, I heard that, and I had a very similar response, too.
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Like, is that supposed to be a good story?
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Yeah, I know, right?
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That sounds really fucked up.
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I understand that Trump's, like, 70-something years old,
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and maybe because of, you know, I mean,
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that's not to say that all people in his age set
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have, like, archaic beliefs.
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Sure.
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But maybe, you know, there's a slight expectation.
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He's an old, sheltered, rich bigot.
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What are you going to do?
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Right.
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And, you know, it's the same thing with most people
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with their grandparents.
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You try to raid on a curve.
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And maybe that's kind of what Dave is doing,
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but, like, he's also the fucking president.
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Yeah.
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That story should disqualify Trump for president by itself.
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That is awful.
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I'm not sure if it disqualifies, but it doesn't look good.
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It looks like, you know, like, here's what I'm saying.
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He's the president, and you're treating it
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like your sort of bigoted grandpa.
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And, like, your bigoted grandpa shouldn't be the president.
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No.
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So, like, yes, when you say, like, oh, look,
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this guy's married to a dude.
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When it's your grandpa, and you can
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tell that he's trying to get over archaic beliefs
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that he's had.
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It's Thanksgiving.
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We're just going to get through the day.
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Exactly.
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Your old, racist grandpa, fine.
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Maybe that is a sign of progress for your grandpa.
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Yeah, it could be.
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And you can choose to accept or feel
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bad about that in your personal life, however you like.
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Not acceptable behavior for the president.
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No.
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It's really embarrassing and gross.
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Wow.
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Hey, man, let me tell you this incredibly long, boring story.
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But I'll shorten it up.
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I'll shorten it up.
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I'll just tell you the end.
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The president, he saw me, and he did not hit me with a cane.
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It was incredible.
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It was the greatest interaction I've ever had.
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He 100% did not hit me with a cane.
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Wow.
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So Dave loved it.
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He had a great time with the Trumps.
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Anyway, long story short, I have a nice chat with him.
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But I will tell you, this is the interesting part
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of the whole thing, not just that he
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doesn't care about who's gay.
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It's that I tell him a couple political theories that I have.
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And at one point, he turns to Melania, and he goes,
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honey, honey, I want you to hear this.
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And the way he said honey was actually with love.
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Maybe he doesn't want me to say this right now,
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but I got free speech.
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He turns to her, and he says, honey, honey,
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and he put his hand on her arm.
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And it was very obvious to me that it was like,
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these people love each other.
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You know, whatever the public persona or version of this is,
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it was like, they love each other.
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And then he had me repeat the thing that I said to her,
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and she kind of responded or whatever.
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And it was just nice.
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Honestly, it was just nice.
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This guy is not Hitler.
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Wow.
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That's weird.
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I mean, if what Dave is blown away by
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is people like their families, like.
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No, let me tell you this.
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OK, so I'm in the bunker, right?
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And I'm telling you, the way that Ava Braun just
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put her arm on, it was like, is this Hitler?
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Uh-huh.
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The way that she said honey to Hitler.
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They love each other.
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Hitler can't be like Hitler.
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It seems very strange to me that, first of all,
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this all hinges on the way that Trump said honey when he was
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trying to get Melania's attention to repeat
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one of Dave Rubin's ideas to her.
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One of Dave Rubin's great ideas that Melania 100% needed to hear.
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That's where we get this moment of like, oh, they're human.
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That shouldn't be mind blowing to you.
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No, no.
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That shouldn't be a revelatory moment.
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It should just be like, ah, yes, this is how spouses interact.
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Furthermore, fuck you if that is a story.
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Considering we had a president and a first lady who
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were incredibly affectionate for eight years,
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that you called Hitler.
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Wow, I don't know if Dave Rubin did,
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but he didn't say nice things necessarily.
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, your bar of affection
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is this private moment that you saw
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where he put his hand on her in such a way that just denoted
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that everyone loves each other.
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You can't pretend that Michelle and Barack Obama didn't
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have a very loving relationship.
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It was very clear.
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I mean, have we heard a story about, like from on our show,
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have we heard anybody tell a personal story about Trump
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that they said in a positive tone,
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but was actually an incredibly awful interaction?
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We just did.
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Every time.
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We just did.
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Oh, no, I mean, that it's always a negative thing,
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but they just say it in a positive tone.
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Like, that's every story.
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Well, I would say this.
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That's what I was saying.
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I got mixed up with the words.
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What I'm trying to say is every story that they tell
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is Trump doing something horrific,
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and they're telling it in a positive tone,
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like, ah, this is great.
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Yeah, yeah, there is that.
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And then I would say that the only exception to that
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is when they tell a story that's like mind blowing,
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like, oh, I cannot believe this.
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And then it's like even.
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Like, it's a push.
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It's just like, oh, yeah.
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In the same way that you're talking about,
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like, he didn't hit me with a stick.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Great.
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OK.
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Great.
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That doesn't make you a hero.
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No.
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Didn't hit the guy with a stick.
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He's still a bad president.
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Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, there's the, like, over the top,
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this is an amazing story, and then something bad.
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Or it's like, yeah, because, like, Steve Pachanik
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would be, like, talk about it.
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Like, ah, Trump's great.
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Yeah, yeah, he needs his family around because he's
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got insecurities.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's not good.
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And then, yeah, or it's just something just
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benign and, like, meaningless.
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Like, Trump is just the best guy in the world.
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He takes showers.
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Yeah.
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What?
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I promise you, look, those tapes where you hear it,
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he likes to make dirty jokes where he uses the n-word.
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I'm just saying this positively.
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Alex is pretending that that never happened.
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Yeah, well, it didn't happen.
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So in his next clip, Dave talks about his sense
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of whether or not Trump wanted to be president.
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Spoiler alert, Dave thinks he did not.
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He didn't want to be president.
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Like, that's pretty obvious to me.
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Actually, the one part I left out of this
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is that when Junior introduced me,
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I said it's an honor to meet you, Mr. President,
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when I shook his hand.
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And I could tell, like, I thought that's what
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you say to the president.
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And when I met Melania, I said it's an honor
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to meet you, Madam First Lady.
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But I could tell when I said it to Trump,
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I just as easily could have said, yo, Don, what's up?
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Like, the idea that I said it's an honor
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to meet you, Mr. President, you could just tell
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that just didn't matter to him.
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He's probably Don to most of the people.
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I don't think he's running around.
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I think his staff probably calls him Mr. President.
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But it's like, the guy's had his ego stroked for a long time,
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you know?
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But maybe we shouldn't get lost in only Trump stuff
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because we'll talk about Trump a lot.
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Yeah, I know.
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We just spent 20 minutes talking about Trump.
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Whoa, man, it's almost like that's all we talk about.
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Yeah, kind of like we're singularly obsessed
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with our Avatar God King hero.
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It's almost like we just constantly make up stories
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to recontextualize our weird obsessive love for what
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is very obviously fucking Hitler.
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Yeah, and then always try and center ourselves
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in proximity to this hero Hitler King that we have.
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Yeah, it is weird.
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Maybe we shouldn't do that.
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Maybe we should talk about your book.
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Yeah.
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My book is, well, it's about 40% about Trump
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and how great he is.
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The book is called Don't Burn This Book.
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And as far as I know, no one has.
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Oh my god.
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Very sad.
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Don't burn this book.
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What a dork.
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Is he talking to Trump right there?
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Please stop before book burnings.
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It's the only way that makes sense.
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Yeah, right?
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So yeah, this is basically the end
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because it's only like a 40 minute interview.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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It's pretty compact.
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And a bit of it is this weird boat metaphor
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that he doesn't elaborate on anymore than we played.
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But just sort of like, yeah, I left the left.
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Is the boat made out of toenails?
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CNN won't book me.
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I'm mad about it.
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No, we ain't.
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I've met Trump and love it.
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There was not a whole lot that I got out of this beyond that.
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But I do respect Carpe Donctum for one reason.
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And that is that he knows what he needs to improve.
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Well, it has been a pleasure to have you.
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And thank you again for coming on my first show.
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And I'm going to try and figure out what this audio problem is
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because apparently yours has been fine the whole time
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and mine has been awful.
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So I think actually that's fine because nobody can buy it.
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Why?
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Why?
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Come on out.
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The good audio is yours.
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I will say that it's not fine.
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No, very not fine.
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I'm not even excited that we're going to put this out
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because his audio is so bad that our listeners are obviously
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going to have a very difficult time listening to that.
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See, I mean, this is trivial.
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This is kind of meaningless to the larger extent of things.
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Other than to, like, I think I would
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feel a little bit incomplete if there is this other show
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that Alex now has on his network that we haven't dipped our toe
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into a little bit.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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And so I will say now that I have tried it,
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I might prefer David Knight, Carpe Donctum.
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Man, this is bad.
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Even sound problems aside, there is no reason for this
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to exist.
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I can't imagine even Donc Stans, if there are any,
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I can't imagine any of them being like, fuck, yeah,
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the new episode of Carpe's Corner dropped.
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Oh, man, I really wish it was called Donc's No-Jo,
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but what the fuck?
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This is so boring that I can't imagine
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it's useful to propaganda anybody
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who might have right-wing money to funnel into something.
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Like, I could see somebody wanting
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to use him for the clout that he has for memes,
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but as a talk show or as, like, an interview thing,
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this is trash.
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This is just no good.
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So we will not be revisiting.
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I guess unless maybe Alex is on, then I might check back in.
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Well, I mean, come on.
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Or if we have a Rob Do appearance,
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see if he can hold his own, see who's more incompetent.
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You know, it does seem like all of this stuff
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and all of conservative media now
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that I am forced to interact with
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is just there to reinforce the false reality at all costs.
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Like, that's what entertainment is to conservatives now.
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They need people to just constantly reinforce the idea
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that Trump is not a moron.
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Maybe, but I want to say, I want to step back
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from what you're saying just a tiny bit, because I
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don't think a lot of people would
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view this as entertainment.
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Oh, that's fair.
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All right.
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I don't, I'm not sure how far off
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you are in terms of a bigger picture, because of the stuff
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that's on Fox News and shit.
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Yeah, it's insane.
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And Dave Rubin, obviously, has a broader audience.
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But in terms of saying that this is in any way
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an actual spoke in the wheel, I'm not sure that it is.
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That's fair.
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Quite honestly, more people will listen to this
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through our show than will ever listen to Dunk's Dojo.
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I feel bad that we're almost platforming Carpe Docum.
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With this audio, Dan, I do not believe we are
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platforming the Dunk's Dojo.
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So anyway.
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I think we have scared away everyone.
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Hopefully.
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So this is a situation where, hey, this, you know,
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it's not an Alex episode, but Alex is out of studio.
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So I mean, our hands are forced.
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I like it.
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I like when we see, we just, we got
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to dip our toe into the world.
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No, totally.
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And there's stuff that other people,
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you know, like, nobody's looking out Dunk's Dojo.
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Nobody's getting it in their feed or anything like that.
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Maybe the people over on Locals.
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Could be.
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Could be.
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I wonder how many people have hated it.
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Oh, god, those poor bastards.
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Yeah, probably more than, man, I don't know.
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I bet not even his mom.
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I have no idea what the actual subscriber base is like there.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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That's kind of interesting, but I don't know.
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The site is too unnavigatable.
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I have no idea.
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Sucks.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I agree with you, though.
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We've got to check in on other things in the world.
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Anyway, we'll be back on Monday.
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Indeed we will, Dan.
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And hopefully Alex will be back as well,
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because I want to hear what he thinks
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about losing a bunch of money to the Connecticut Supreme Court.
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That would be very funny.
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And we'll check in on that.
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But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
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We do have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep, we're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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Yep, we'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm running for the Republican nomination in 2024.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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