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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're double dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan!
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Jordan.
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What is your favorite way to eat potatoes?
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Oh god, I'm so glad you asked.
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Do you prefer fries? Do you prefer chips? Mashed? Baked?
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Uh, that's way too big a question, quite frankly, there's a lot of potato presentations.
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I would say that I'm partial to mashed potatoes, but that's just because
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it's kind of a cumbersome process to make them, and so when they show up it's usually special.
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Yeah.
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So that's one thing I would say, but I probably wouldn't put them at the top.
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I would say tots are up there.
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Tots, god, I always forget about tots because they're garbage.
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Oh shit.
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Tots are garbage.
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We're gonna fight.
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If you have to choose a best fry, tot probably doesn't count, so I'd say waffle.
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Waffle fry is probably the best.
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Top fry of all time, yeah.
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Shoestring potato, very underrated candidate in this conversation.
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I think I'm gonna stick with baked, or no, not baked, mashed.
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Mashed potatoes?
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Baked is, it's in there, it's in the conversation.
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A lot of good ways to eat a potato.
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How about chips?
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Chips are fine.
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Chips are fine.
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Chips are almost like a placeholder.
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Yeah, they're just there.
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They're just there.
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Yeah.
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Although a good kettle cook.
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Like a kettle cook.
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Yeah.
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They have a crunch.
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This has been the most riveting conversation.
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I am a little hungry.
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Thankfully, our out of context drop, which you'll hear in a little bit, has something
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to do with food.
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Of course.
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This is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones and potatoes.
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And I only know what you tell me, and I'm goddamn Irish, so I know everything.
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About the potatoes.
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Potatoes.
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So, Jordan, today we are in the present.
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We will be going over May 30th and 31st, 2019, which is Thursday and Friday of the week that
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was.
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But before we get to today's episode, we gotta give a shout out to some people who have signed
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up and are supporting the show.
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We really appreciate it.
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That'd be nice.
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So, Steven, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Steven.
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Thanks, Steven.
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Next, Charlie, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you so much, Charlie.
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Next, Ophien, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Ophien.
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Thank you, Ophien.
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Next, Jason, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Jason.
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Thanks, Jason.
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Then we had two people who took their donations and bopped it up a little bit.
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No shit.
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We appreciate it also very much.
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So, first of all, Kim, thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Crikey, mate.
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That's fantastic.
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Have yourself a brew.
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
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Let's just get down to business.
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We ain't making that money off that heroin.
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Why you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large.
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I declare info war on you.
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Thank you so much, Kim.
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Yes, thank you very much, Kim.
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And then finally, also, Douglas.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Crikey, mate.
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That's fantastic.
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Have yourself a brew.
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
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Let's just get down to business.
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We ain't making that money off that heroin.
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Why you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large.
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I declare info war on you.
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Thank you, Douglas.
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Thank you very much, Douglas.
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If you're out there listening and you're thinking,
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hey, I like this show, I'd like to support what these guys do,
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you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com,
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clicking that button that says Support the Show.
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We would appreciate it.
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Absolutely.
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So like I said, in the present day,
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I mentioned it on the episode from last Friday
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that we were very interested in finding out
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Alex's very predictable spin on the Mueller press conference.
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I assume it's AOC's fault?
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Dude, she does come up.
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That can't be real.
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Not in the context of the Mueller stuff,
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but he has a real serious bone to pick about something she said.
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Of course, of course.
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We will discuss that as it comes up.
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Do you mean anything she said he has to say?
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Yeah, man.
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Yeah.
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Seems like I gotta spend a lot of time
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covering live streams of hers in the right wing media.
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But we'll get to Alex's take on the Mueller stuff.
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It's actually fairly predictable as we expected
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and a very small part of what makes these two
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days of Alex's show super fucked up.
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They reach levels of astonishment
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that I haven't had in quite a while.
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Really?
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's interesting.
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There's something that happens towards the end
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of this episode that really, really took me aback.
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Are we like out of left field Somali pirate territory
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or are we out of the fucking pitcher's mound with racism?
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More the latter than the pride.
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That's what I thought.
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Yeah.
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There are a few things that catch me as off guard as saying,
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you got to give it up for the Somali pirates.
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Right.
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That's a real rarefied class of Alex Jones comment.
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Yeah, because there's so many.
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If we were talking about a normal person, that would be, you know, no.
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But here's another context drop before we get into any of the, you know, the stuff.
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I was back in the coffee room where somebody bought donuts and I just inhaled two of them.
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Stop it.
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Even though I appreciate it.
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I love that so much.
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I don't know how to deal with that.
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I love it.
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I don't know how to deal with that.
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I love it so much.
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That's so disarming.
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Yeah.
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I'm disarmed by that.
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It might be one of my favorite little moments ever.
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Yeah.
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Stop it.
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Yeah.
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But I appreciate it.
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But I appreciate it.
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I appreciate it is so softly delivered.
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God damn it.
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So in this first clip, we start on the 30th and Alex has some information to give you.
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And it's his explanation of why the globalists want to get him off the air.
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Right.
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Which is something he's explained to us, I don't know, a billion fucking times.
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Yeah, it has something to do with migratory patterns of deer, right?
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Something to do with that.
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Okay.
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This is a little bit different.
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And he gives some specifics that I can actually explain why if it was true that this is the
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reason the globalists want to get him off the air, maybe that's a good thing.
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I'm going to lay something out here that I've talked a lot about.
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And it's the reason the establishment wants me off the air.
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And it's the reason that when John Kelly came into the White House, his number one rule
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was do not let this list of people near the president.
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And that list included a long string of retired, respected generals and other members of the
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military.
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Stubble by.
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And it also had yours truly at the top of the list because their people were obviously
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listening in on my phone calls with the president.
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When I said, sir, you got to go after him for the illegal FISA warrants.
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This is when he called to thank me two days after he got elected.
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I told him this.
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When he called me a month later, when he called me a week after that, when he called me the
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time after that, I said, Mr. President, stop thanking me.
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So I know this is just a pat on the head, sir.
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I know you're calling people that supported you and I appreciate it.
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I don't need the praise.
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They're coming after you.
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You've got people that have infiltrated all around you, sort of telling him who they
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are.
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I said, these are Soros operatives and I listed some of the names and I said, you've got people
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lying to you that are bringing these folks in and they're going to try to bring you down.
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He'd say, very interesting.
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Tell me more.
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And I'd say, well, here's this particular lady that they brought in over your staffing.
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You think she comes from Republicans, but she really has worked at the State Department
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for the whole Soros project.
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So basically she's a Hillary operative and she's going to stack the deck against you
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and they're running espionage operations against you under the name of counter espionage.
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Now, how did I know all of this?
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I can explain that, but what I'm saying is if they wanted to get him off the air or whatever
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because he was telling the president stuff like this, he's misleading the president.
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Yeah, and that would be fine if the president wasn't a sundowning moron.
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You know what I'm saying?
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That might be an issue.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So when Alex says, how do you think I knew that?
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I realize, well, let's see if we can figure out, first of all, what the fuck he's talking
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about because, you know, you've got to figure out who is he talking about?
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Yeah, somebody who is in the State Department.
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Right.
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So we know that he warned Trump about a woman who was brought into Trump's staffing.
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It's involved in staffing somehow.
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So that reduces the suspects by 98%.
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Yeah, Trump believes her to be on the team, but she's actually a Soros operative.
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So what does it mean to be, quote, over the staffing?
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If it means being chief of staff, then this conspiracy Alex is warning Trump about is
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impossible because guess what?
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Since that position was created in 1946 under its original name, assistant to the president,
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no woman has ever filled that role.
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So obviously this can't be a chief of staff that Alex is talking about, which is weird
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because that's who does a lot of the staffing in the Oval Office.
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I wonder why.
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Mick Mulvaney is currently the acting chief of staff, but that's a fairly recent thing.
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So for our examination, I'm only going to consider people who were around under the
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reins of Reince Priebus and John Kelly in order to pin down who Alex is talking about.
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Obama had no female chiefs of staff.
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However, there were five women who served as deputy chiefs of staff.
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So maybe this is what he's talking about.
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An Obama-Hillary holdover.
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But unfortunately, none of them stuck around at all into Trump's administration.
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I wonder why.
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The two who are still around in 2017 both left on Inauguration Day.
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I wonder why.
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So Katie Walsh was a deputy chief of staff working on scheduling for the Trump administration.
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She was on board from the jump as she was a part of the transition team, but she left
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the administration early in March 2017 to join the pro-Trump dark money super PAC,
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America First Policies, which was founded by Brad Parscale,
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Trump's head of digital operations in the 2016 election.
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A lot of Trump administration folk found their way to America First Policies,
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and so did some Nazis.
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Um, I don't understand.
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Why are those two separate words in your, why are those two separate statements?
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I believe they are redundant in some ways.
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Their director of advocacy, Carl Higbee, had to resign in early 2018 after CNN found a
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bunch of old radio shows he did where he was super racist, super Islamophobic, super anti-LGBTQ,
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and literally advocated for being able to shoot and kill anyone who came across the
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border undocumented.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, guys, why are you getting rid of me?
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I don't want that last one anymore.
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This is called America First Policies.
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What have I done wrong?
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This seems in line.
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Everything that guy is saying.
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There were a few other racism scandals, but the worst was probably the one that surrounded
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America First Policies, the guy who was their policy advisor, Juan Pablo Andrade.
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Andrade had previously been on Trump's National Hispanic Advisory Council,
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as well as the National Diversity Coalition, before heading to the Super PAC America First
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Policies.
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Newsmax had put him on their 30 under 30 list in 2017, signaling that he was a real rising
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star in the dumb-dumb right-wing world.
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Unfortunately, that year his star exploded when he recorded himself ranting in a hotel
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room at a Turning Point USA conference, a hotel room I should point out that was paid
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for by Turning Point.
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He wasn't just an attendee of the conference, he was there by invitation.
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Anyway, in the video he says, quote, the only thing that Nazis didn't get right is that
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they didn't keep fucking going.
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I'm sure he'd like to argue that he was just joking, but if you look more into the
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circumstances, he definitely wasn't.
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Yeah, no, I think at a certain point, you guys, we all got to just admit that a few
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bad apples amounts to, and actually they're creating Nazis on purpose.
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That's what they want.
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It's their whole goal, they're just mad when somebody gets caught.
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We all know that the whole thing is Nazis.
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Seems weird.
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So anyway, Katie Walsh was the deputy chief of staff, but she left to go join that group,
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so she clearly isn't the person that Alex is talking about.
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She could have been a Soros operative that was on the transition team and then left for
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America First Policies, this place that seems to be literally dripping with bigots, and
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is run by Trump's head of communications, digital communications.
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Yeah, unless she's a really good Soros operative.
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Guess what?
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She is who Alex is talking about.
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What?!
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Yeah.
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In the early days of the Trump campaign, paranoia was at a fever pitch on all sides.
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Folks on the left and the middle were rightfully very worried about what was coming, but the
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right was really worried too, just over slightly different issues.
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The right, particularly the more authoritarian leaning part of the right wing, were very
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worried that unless dissent was crushed within the Trump administration, he wouldn't be able
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to enact the white supremacist positions they supported him for.
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There was a real sense that the real progress towards an awful end that they wanted could
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be achieved, but the biggest thing that stood in the way was the people who were inside
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wouldn't go along with it.
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Chuck Johnson, Mike Cernovich, Jack Posobiec, and Jerome Corsi all led a charge to out the
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people who could possibly slow down the march towards their dystopia, targeting unnamed
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collaborators and wolves in sheep's clothing within the administration.
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You remember this from Alex Jones' show back then.
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There was so much talk about internal palace intrigue.
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Every single fucking show was about it.
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You know, the thing that I love the most about this story is how little reminds me of
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Stalin's rise to power.
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Yeah.
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That's my favorite part is how very, very unsimilar it is to that exact corollary, you
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know.
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The goal was threefold.
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By engaging in this rhetoric, this trying to out people who are wolves in sheep's clothing
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within the inner machinations, you build up a preemptive excuse for why Trump isn't
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getting anything done.
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You maintain the climate of fear you need in your audience that should be diminished
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by their guy being in power, and you make an example of people in government as a sort
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of tacit warning of how anyone who'd be seen as deviating from the program will be
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treated.
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The chief way that these propagandists rationalized their attacks on the government
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staff was to accuse them of being leakers.
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No one can deny that there were tons of leaks going on, so it was the easiest blanket
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accusation to throw at anyone you wanted to target.
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The goal wasn't to stop leaks.
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It's not to root out legitimate traitors.
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It's to create a perpetual feeling of a witch hunt where purges of government employees
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who fail vague purity tests are seen as, you know, the purging of them is seen as
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something you should support.
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Right.
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This is an actual witch hunt.
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If this were in the 1600s, they would actually be burning these people.
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And it's interesting that it's being carried out by the supporters of the administration.
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They're sort of crowdsourcing this purge, or at least the motivation or the rationalization
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for the purge, as opposed to it being directly from the seat of power.
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Right.
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Which is interesting.
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Well, I mean, it's kind of a situation, I think, where all of these guys, not all of
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the guys in power, but for so long the people in power on the right have been stoking these
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horrible, horrible impulses in order to win elections, knowing full well that what they
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would, if they were to actually implement any of this shit, it would either be illegal
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or people would start getting murdered.
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Yeah.
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So then the people that they've been stoking and abusing and exploiting this entire time
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finally were like, what if we just killed everybody who disagreed with us, or we're
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not going to be controlled anymore by this kind of exploitative relationship?
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And then they, you know, do this.
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Yeah.
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Or if not kill, then at least root out or...
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Yeah, metaphorically.
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Send to a reeducation camp or something.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And this is what they kept doing.
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Like, it just kept happening in those early days, these threats of purges of, you know,
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suspected non-conformists to the program.
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Yeah.
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You know, it kept happening.
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We heard this over and over again.
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The Priebus loyalists would get rooted out, which of course eventually became the Bannon
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loyalists or the Kushner loyalists.
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Right.
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It all just takes different shapes and you can morph it however you want in order to
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maintain that climate of fear and paranoia to excuse, you know, impotence of action.
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Yeah, that first year or two, I think there were 300 separate profiles of the adult in
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the room and each time it was a completely different person.
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And you're like, at a certain point, guys, you got to realize there are no more adults.
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And that's kind of the way that a lot of the other media, the more, you know, older media
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did a disservice and sort of helped the right-wing media.
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It sort of is a...
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That was their version of this.
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Yeah.
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So it's also probably worth noting that this past Thursday, Reuters was reporting that
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after the most recent summit between Kim Jong Un and Donald Trump didn't go so great, Un
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carried out a purge of government officials who were in charge of negotiations for it.
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Kim Hyuk Chol, the direct counterpart to Mike Pompeo in the negotiations, was allegedly
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executed along with four foreign ministry officials who stood accused of spying for
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the United States.
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When the North Korean state elaborated, this alleged spying boiled down to, quote, poorly
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grasping U.S. intentions in the negotiations.
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There are reports that these people weren't executed, but some have suggested they were
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just sent to a hard labor camp for re-education, which, I mean, I guess it's better than killing
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people, but I don't think that's much better.
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Certainly not good.
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Being sent to Siberia and being executed can often have very similar effects.
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End results.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So what people like Chuck Johnson, Cernovich, Posobiec, and Alex Jones are doing, like
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we kind of referenced already, is basically crowdsourcing a dictatorship.
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They're bringing authoritarianism into the gig economy.
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True democracy, Dan.
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Sure.
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True democracy, we all fuck ourselves over.
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My point is that it's very hard to, when you have, like, stark reminders of this, like
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what just happened in North Korea, it's really hard to look at that sort of behavior that
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was going on and think that, like, those dudes who were doing this witch-hunt-y behavior
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about officials who weren't on board with them and going around yelling, lock her up
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at everybody, they fucking knew what they were doing.
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It's almost inconceivable that they didn't realize, like, oh, what's the next phase of
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this?
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Right?
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Yeah.
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Well, that's the thing.
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The idea that so many people have of, like, oh, these right-wing douchebags won't go that
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far, and it's like, look at what happened in North Korea.
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They're going to go as far as they can get away with.
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They're going to go as far as they can feel comfortable getting away with.
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I'm not saying that they're in North Korea, but it's whatever you think their limit is
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is probably further.
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I think that's true of a lot of human impulses.
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Left unchecked, they can...
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That's a fair point.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex has a real serious problem on his hands, and that is that the
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EU Parliament just had an election.
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Now, this is a problem because Alex constantly says that the EU Parliament is unelected.
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However, because his buddies in the Brexit party won a bunch of seats, he can't pretend
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they're unelected anymore.
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Yeah, that's a problem for him.
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Listen to this cognitive dissonance on display where Alex, in 10 seconds, says both that
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they're unelected and that his buddies are running elections.
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That's not fair.
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That's not fair.
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This is so deeply abusive.
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People didn't know the EU was unelected.
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Five years ago, now everybody knows and wants to get rid of it.
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And they're losing every damn election.
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And they're ceremonial parliament.
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Yeah.
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So his attempt there at the end is ceremonial parliament.
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That's his attempt to be like, uh-oh, I just contradicted myself.
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Yeah.
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So that hurt me.
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That hurt me very much physically.
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It's a whiplash.
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Emotionally.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I need to...
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I am having trouble breathing.
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Yeah.
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Nigel Farage doing this shit and running for EU Parliament with the Brexit parties really
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introduced just a baseline problem for Alex.
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Because for years, one of the constant arguments he's made was that it's governed by an unelected
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group of bureaucrats in the parliament.
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It's a constant drumbeat on his show.
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The unelected EU Parliament is repeated over and over again as a compound noun.
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Unelected has become an epithet to the EU Parliament in the same way that gentle was
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to Patrokolis in the Iliad.
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That's all good and well, except when there's an EU parliamentary election being held, which
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there was this year.
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Alex says in this clip that five years ago, people didn't know that the EU Parliament
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is unelected, which is interesting because EU parliamentary elections happen every five
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years.
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So he's specifically saying that the last time they had an EU parliamentary election,
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people didn't know there weren't elections for EU Parliament.
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See how this is pretty inconsistent internally?
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This is really, really frustrating me.
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Yeah.
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The EU Parliament did begin as an unelected body.
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That is definitely true.
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Initially, the MEPs, or members of European Parliament, were appointed by each country's
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elected parliament.
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So their national parliament would elect or choose the people who would go to be the MEPs
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and the European Union.
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Right, right, right.
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So in a sense...
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Super delegates.
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Yeah, in a sense, there was still a democratic root to it.
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But Alex's argument is a little closer to legit in that setting.
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It's like saying that the Secretary of State is unelected.
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Sure.
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Technically, that's true, but they're appointed by a directly elected president and have to
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be confirmed by directly elected members of Congress.
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In terms of the EU Parliament, however, Alex's claims really don't make sense anymore because
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in 1979, they started holding elections for their own membership every five years.
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With only a few rules in place about proportional representation that are universally required,
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member states are free to run their elections to name their parliamentary representatives
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however they choose, which is a great celebration of national sovereignty, which Alex doesn't
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want to talk about.
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This is very annoying.
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It is.
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This is all very annoying.
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This information annoys me.
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I am vexed.
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I am vexed by the fact that he is holding both of these conflicting points of view at
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the same time.
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Well, it's like him saying that the fucking three people voted for the Federal Reserve.
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Yeah, but that one's true.
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Oh, sure.
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All Alex can really be talking about is the position of the president of the European
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Commission, which you could argue is an unelected position.
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The various political parties field their candidates to hold the position and a vote
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of the parliament determines who will be the president of the commission.
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But that post isn't the same as like being the president of Europe.
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The position is described as being, quote, the first among equals in the European Commission.
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Members of the commission are selected by elected governments of member states, then
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work together to advance their country's interests in the context of a collaborative
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body that balances the larger needs of the continent with those of each state.
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These examples of unelected folks within the hierarchy of the EU government are easy to
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point to as examples of undemocratic government run amok.
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But if you look at them closely, you find that each of these appointed positions are
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filled directly by people who are elected by the people, and they could be ousted from
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their positions by electing different people.
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If Alex wants to be philosophically consistent, attacking these positions for being indirectly
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elected requires him to have a problem with every appointed position in our government.
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Every cabinet secretary should have to be directly elected.
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What about Kushner?
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What the fuck's he doing?
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Does he even have a job?
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Every for almost every foreign country that has a prime minister becomes a problem for
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him.
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The list goes on and on and on of officials who are just unelected or indirectly elected.
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In a purely technical sense, you could say that this European commission is unelected,
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but that's not what Alex says.
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He says that the EU parliament is unelected, which categorically is not true.
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For years, he's been able to just be free to lie about the EU parliament because he
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knows that none of his listeners are going to look into it.
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But then, like three months ago, Nigel Farage started the Brexit party, and it became clear
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that the story of this year's EU election was going to be favorable to Alex's nationalists
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are taking over the world narrative.
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Immediately, he had a huge problem.
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How do you maintain your bullshit about the EU parliament being unelected while simultaneously
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bragging about your Eurosceptic and fascist friends winning EU parliamentary elections?
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Well, the first thing you do is you put your finger up to your head and you say, well,
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oh, what tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive.
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And then you think more.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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First, you have to, by law, you have to think that in this particular scenario.
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You have to put on a little set piece in the studio.
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You got to do the whole thing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think you just tell your audience that two plus two is five and hope it works out.
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Yeah.
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That's what he's doing.
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This is absurd.
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Pretty much.
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That's disgusting.
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Well, I mean, it's one in a long line, I think, of Alex being screwed over by getting
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what he wants.
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Yeah.
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You know, like he wants all his like weirdo friends to win EU parliament positions so
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they could destroy the EU, I guess.
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But in order for that to happen, the step has to be taken that they be elected to this
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parliament.
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Yeah.
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And one of his chief complaints about it is that it's unelected.
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So them succeeding in the goal he's working towards undercuts and destroys one of his
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big reasons for wanting it gone.
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Yeah.
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But on this, isn't that what Brexit is to the National Health Service?
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Like so many people who voted for that was, you know, with Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage's
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whole like, we're spending all this money when it could be going to the NHS.
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And they voted specifically for that type of circumstance to go down.
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And of course, if Brexit actually follows through with the way that it's supposed to
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go, especially if it's a no deal, the National Health Service is going to be privatized by
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American insurers anyways.
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So they're all doing something that is actively undercutting whatever it is that they would
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like the result to be.
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It seems like a real strong current among these, quote unquote, international nationalists.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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It seems like...
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Do they not know the only people who are benefiting are billionaires?
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Do they not know it?
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Do they still not know?
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I think that might be the...
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Yeah, I think that they...
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That's what you don't want to say.
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That's the part they don't want to talk about.
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Yeah, it's insane.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex has a list of complaints about his enemies.
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And he's got a head of steam about the people that he perceives as being against America.
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And one of the things that I find really interesting about this is he's furious on this episode.
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He's just like, oh, these damn enemies.
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And then he gives this list about his enemies and why they are his enemies.
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They want health care for the poor.
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No.
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No, no, no.
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I don't think he wants that debate.
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I don't think he wants that conversation.
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Surprise.
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What he does want is to list off things that aren't true.
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So I'm going to explain each of these and why they're not true.
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But what's interesting to me is when he's in a tizzy and he's expressing why he doesn't
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like the other side that he perceives as his enemies, every single thing he says is not true.
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These people are so pissed that we're trying to get our country back from them.
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They're the globalists.
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They're the ones that say they hate America.
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They're the ones that say they can't stand this country.
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They're the ones that say we were never great, one would be great.
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They're the ones saying the world's ending in 12 years.
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They're the ones that say cauliflower is racist.
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Holy Toledo.
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They projected onto everything.
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So that clip is a fantastic case study in terms of why it's almost inconceivable to
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imagine that Alex Jones doesn't know what he's doing.
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And I'm pretty certain he knows that he's intentionally misleading his audience.
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It's important to remember for the purposes of what's to come that he is a 45-year-old
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human who claims that he's very smart and can read.
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He presents himself as a competent critic of the media and politics, so the expectation
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is that he be able to do that on a nominal level.
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However, literally everything in that clip, all of the reasons that his enemies are his
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enemies, are examples of things that aren't real.
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Let's look at them one by one.
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The rant begins with stuff that's too vague to mean anything.
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Alex thinks his enemies are just pissed because his patriot buddies are reclaiming the country
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from them and that they hate America.
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There's literally nothing to even respond to, that's just him talking shit.
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So we can leave that aside.
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That's almost a prologue.
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That's almost a perfunctory, like he's...
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He's getting amped up.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's his little warm-up, he's doing a couple of jumping jacks, and
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now we're going to get into the bullshit.
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It's the word you have to get into an impression.
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Yeah, does anybody like impressions?
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Then he says his enemies say, quote, America has never been great and it never will be
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great.
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This is an intentional mischaracterization of comments made by New York Governor Andrew
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Cuomo during the lead-up to the 2018 midterms.
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Cuomo is being critical of Trump's catchphrase, make America great again, by expressing a
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very defensible position that for many people, the American experience has never been that
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great.
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The part of the quote that Alex is specifically using is just, quote, we're not going to make
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America great again.
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It was never that great.
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But the quote, that quote relies on what Cuomo said immediately after that in order to make
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or to give his point context to have it make sense.
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He went on to say, quote, we have not reached greatness.
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We will reach greatness when every American is fully engaged.
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We will reach greatness when discrimination and stereotyping of women, 51% of our population
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is gone, and every woman's full potential is realized and unleashed and every woman
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is making her full contribution.
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Naturally, it would have been nice if he would have expanded his point to include other groups,
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but he was giving a speech specifically at a New York women's rights event, so it kind
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of makes sense why the commentary skewed in that direction.
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What Cuomo is saying is not in any way an insult to America.
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It's a recognition that our ideals are great, but we've historically and are currently failing
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to live up to them.
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What he was doing when he said, quote, we are not going to make America great again,
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was not saying fuck America.
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It was expressing a clear difference between Trump's catchphrase and Cuomo's vision of
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what our greatness should be and what we should strive for.
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This is a willing misinterpretation that Alex is carrying out to create a false version
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of his enemies and paint them as thinking America has always sucked and so he's going
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to suck.
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Fuck America back.
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Yeah, but that one's that one's the that one is the far right's reaction to any kind of
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accurate history.
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Like if you are blunt with the far right about American history, they will do anything and
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everything to screech at you because because they can't handle it.
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You know, then it makes them feel bad.
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Like Alex, one of the principal reasons he's so afraid of being called a racist is because
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he just doesn't want to feel bad and does come down a lot.
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And yeah, Alex does the same thing with like anybody who's like the founding fathers were
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terrorists.
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Well, I mean, if you were they were based on you committed like an insurrection, of
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course, you know who you root for in Star Wars, the rebels, the terrorists.
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So, yeah, he doesn't like history too much.
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So now the world ending in 12 years thing is a reference to an interview that Alexandria
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Ocasio-Cortez did, where she said that we have 12 years to cut emissions by 50 percent.
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Alex is turning this into some kind of doomsday prophecy that she was peddling, which is kind
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of hilarious considering what he did on Y2K.
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The thing is that the right wing has attacked AOC pretty harshly for this.
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But all she everything.
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Yeah, but all she was doing was citing a report from the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
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Change that said exactly that.
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They predicted there was probably 12 years left to keep global temperatures from rising
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to a maximum of one point five degrees Celsius.
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Yeah, I was amazed.
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You know, like I assumed that everybody would know that she was quoting something.
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But now that I think about it, of course, people on the right had no idea what that
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report said or they just it wasn't or they just thought they don't believe it.
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Yeah, it's all about carbon credit.
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Yeah, they don't understand it.
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Even the slightest in that interview, she did say, quote, the world is going to end
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in 12 years if we don't address climate change.
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However, an important point is that she what she'd said just before that.
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The larger context of that quote is that she's saying that the younger generations, millennials
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and Gen Z, are looking at the older generations and saying that we have mere years left to
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address climate change before it destroys the world.
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And the older generation's response is, how are we going to pay for it?
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She since said that the world ending part of the quote was dry humor.
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And there's a little bit of that that's clearly apparent.
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But I also think that you could just say that she was clearly expressing what a lot of people
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are saying.
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She isn't in that interview making a specific prophecy that we have 12 years left, then
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it's all over.
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She's referencing a scientific study and articulating the fears and concerns of a big cross-section
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of the public.
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Yeah.
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No one is saying that the world will end in 12 years if we don't do anything.
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They're saying that it's likely that's the amount of time we have before things will
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be completely out of our hands and no amount of emissions cutting will stop the domino
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effects of climate change.
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Alex is misrepresenting this intentionally to create the image that his enemies are lunatics
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trying to scare you with doomsday prophecies in order to get you to pay carbon credits.
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Yeah, sure.
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I really think that there should be a bias adjustment for these kinds of studies, like
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how when they do polls, Rasmussen has a right word bias, all that stuff.
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All of these studies have a optimistic bias that we should really account for because
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every time they update it and every one that's revised, it's like, hey, if we don't do this
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by 2200, and it's like, well, if we don't do it by 2200, it's going to wind up being
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the next report is like we have six years left.
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We have a week.
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Yeah, exactly.
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You would look at that as like an optimism bias.
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Alex would say that that's evidence they're just making shit up and they're like, oh,
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you're not scared yet?
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We're going to make it shorter.
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Right.
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I can see that.
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Yeah.
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So as for the cauliflower thing, this is just a complete right-wing smear.
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This relates to a recent live stream that AOC was doing where she visited a community
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garden and discussed issues about what keeps some minority communities from embracing environmental
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efforts like community gardening.
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One of the things she pointed out was the difficulty of growing crops that are traditionally
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used in their cuisine in community garden spaces.
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She singles out yucca as being a plant that is more difficult to grow in urban environments
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as opposed to cauliflower, which she just picked out as an example of a vegetable.
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At random.
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Yeah.
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She wasn't even saying anything specifically about cauliflower.
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In fact, she says, quote, cauliflower or something.
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It was a random example.
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Of course, she did happen to pick the white example.
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And so they go absolute bug fuck, right?
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Well, I think so.
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And she said that it was a, you know, it's an example of colonial environmentalism.
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Yeah.
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Didn't say that cauliflower is racist or anything like that.
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And I mean, you could make an argument that cauliflower has been used colonially.
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The English introduced it to India in 1822.
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It wasn't native there.
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It was brought.
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Who cares?
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Yeah.
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AOC chose cauliflower as an example of a crop that these communities may be less involved
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with culturally, but it's what could be grown easily in urban settings.
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So it's popular in the big city community gardens where space is limited.
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I'm not entirely sure that's fully accurate of cauliflower, but that is absolutely what
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she was saying and chose cauliflower as an example entirely, possibly just because she
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had seen it at a community garden that she had visited.
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That is such a, that is such one of those blind spots that I would never have thought
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of because it never even comes into my life entirely.
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Totally.
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Of course, why would somebody want to plant fucking bullshit in the community garden when
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they, it's not anywhere associated with their home cooking?
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Like why would you just plant some random ass bullshit, you know?
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And if it's super difficult and the space is limited, then it leads to non-engagement,
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non-involvement.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So this, according to AOC, is an example of, quote, taking a colonial approach to environmentalism.
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Well, of course, the knee-jerk response to this on the right is to say that she's stupid
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and that she's calling cauliflower racist.
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But in reality, what she's talking about is a pretty important and real issue.
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As a paper published in 2009 by the Sustainability Research Institute points out, quote, around
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the world, colonialism became synonymous with the alienation of people from their land and
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resources.
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Most people became alienated from their resources largely because the colonizing powers did
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not think that they could be trusted to steward over the land themselves.
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This is basically what she's talking about.
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Environmental projects should make sense in a cultural context because if they don't,
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it's an expression of colonialism being portrayed as environmentalism.
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Yeah.
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You can disagree with her point if you want, but if you do, then you've got to wrestle
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with a ton of scholarship on the intersection of conservationism and colonialism.
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And that's pretty hard to do and Alex isn't up for the task.
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Especially when we're getting very similar, like, here is what we should do to stop all
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of this and that can sometimes boil down to like, if everybody lived like this, if everybody
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lived like us, which for some people is culturally, absolutely colonialist.
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If everybody just wiped out what makes them individual and unique, then there you go.
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Yeah.
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And Alex could argue this if he wanted to rebut the points of environmental colonialism.
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But it's much easier just to say that AOC thinks cauliflower is racist.
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It is.
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Because the goal isn't to tell the news or to do sincere analysis.
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The goal is to portray your enemy as so eager to call things racist that even vegetables
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aren't safe.
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And of course, the goal of that for Alex is to defend himself from very accurate accusations
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that he's a huge racist.
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So there you go.
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Three things that Alex has used to characterize his enemies and why he fights so hard and
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guess what?
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They're all bullshit.
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He has his own show.
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He runs everything here.
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He has unlimited time on air.
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And this is what he brings to the table to explain our enemies.
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Just bullshit.
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He's got nothing.
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Okay.
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So boy, so these aren't true.
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They're not.
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All right.
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And so if they're not true and he knows they're not true, then they can't be the reasons that
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he hates his enemies.
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So it does imply there's got to be another reason.
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That suggests that there are ulterior reasons, perhaps ones that he would rather not put
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out there and instead obfuscate using these lies and bullshit.
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Wonder what those are.
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Aha.
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Anyway, in this next clip, Alex is really pissed off still about cauliflower being called
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racist and it makes a little slip, I think.
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But I just got to say AOC and the cauliflower comment.
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My favorite.
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Some listeners say, why are you covering?
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We know she's an idiot.
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Why the left come out and say milk was racist because it was white last year.
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White.
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They territorialize everything by saying everything's racist and then they're the high priest over
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fighting racism that gives them jurisdiction over you.
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Oh, I get it.
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The left didn't say that milk was racist.
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That was an attempt by people on like 4chan and trolls on the Internet to create the appearance
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that the left thought milk was racist so they could mock their hypersensitivity.
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It appears that they managed to trick the right person in this case.
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Yeah.
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It began with legitimate Nazis making videos or they made a big deal out of drinking milk.
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Then Richard Spencer and Baked Alaska added milk emojis to their Twitter names and helped
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push the hashtag milk Twitter.
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They were doing the same thing that they've done a bunch of times.
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We saw it recently with a botched attempt to pretend that the actual hashtag, the symbol,
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the hashtag was a white supremacist symbol.
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Trolls sent journalists tips trying to get them to cover the story, but none took the
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bait except for Mikhail Thelen of the Daily Dot.
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Interestingly, Mikhail Thelen was a writer for Infowars for years, but is now rebranded
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as a tech writer at Daily Dot and somehow is getting away with it.
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You can't do that.
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What?
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It's crazy.
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He's just obscure enough of an Infowars employee that you could still do this.
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But he's not obscure enough that I don't fucking know who he is.
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So that's a problem.
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And that's why someone like me is important to exist in the world, I guess.
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Somebody's sending out emails.
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I think he's probably not too worried about me.
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This is a part of a larger strategy where neo-Nazis and white nationalists attempt to
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create innocuous symbols that they then attach to their communities in ways that could be
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easily passed off as a joke if they're ever called on it.
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We saw this with the OK Hand gesture.
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It was simultaneously a legitimate symbol being used by these extremist communities
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to signal to each other and as a way that they could mock their detractors.
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Are you serious?
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It's just an OK sign.
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They could respond to any criticisms.
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And then the game and the ugh.
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Ultimately, it doesn't matter if the OK sign is a gesture of hate because by its usage
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it became one.
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There's a synergy going on.
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And the same is true of the accusation that the left thinks milk is racist.
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And it was a manufactured campaign to make the left and accusations of racism look baseless
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because the creating appearance that racism accusations are baseless really just helps
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out people who are constantly being accused of being racist.
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That's the motivation behind it.
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Like not to say, not to say cuibono, but for fuck's sake, seriously, there's only one group
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of people who benefit from this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There's zero groups but one.
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Anyone still peddling this narrative in 2019 is either woefully stupid and incompetent
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at knowing the news or they're actively trying to signal to their base of neo-Nazis and white
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nationalists that they're in on the joke.
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Either way, it doesn't look good that Alex is still on this bullshit.
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And unfortunately, those white supremacists who were actually onto something with their
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stunt campaign, as our boy Jared Holt covered in a piece that he wrote for the Huffington
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Post, the attempts to make milk a racist meme were supposed to be a prank, but there's actually
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a racist history attached to milk that they accidentally stumbled onto.
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His article discusses a book called Nature's Perfect Food, How Milk Became America's Drink,
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which does seem to argue that at very least the early advertising campaigns for the National
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Dairy Council were explicitly racist.
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In the early 1900s, the National Dairy Council marketed milk by saying things like, quote,
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people who have an appreciation for art, literature, and music, who are progressive in science
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and every activity of human intellect, are the people who have used liberal amounts of
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milk in its products.
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The book goes on to say, quote, by declaring milk perfect, white Northern Europeans announced
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their own perfection.
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In the 1930s, an agricultural history of New York said, quote, a casual look at the races
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of people seems to show that those using much milk are the strongest physically and mentally
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and the most enduring of the people of the world.
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Of all races, the Aryans seem to have been the heaviest drinkers of milk and the greatest
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users of butter and cheese, a fact that may in part account for the quick and high development
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of this division of human beings.
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So Louis Pasteur is the patron saint of the white nationalist movement, I believe, were
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it not for he.
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He's on the Rushmore.
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The reason this could be called racist is because the marketing was specifically designed
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around the idea that there was an association between drinking milk and being better people.
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A paper by Andrea Freeman of the University of Hawaii School of Law points out that, quote,
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although statistics vary, 79% of African-American adults, 45% of African-American children,
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74% of Mexicans from rural communities, 98% of Southeast Asians, and 90% of Asian-Americans
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cannot digest lactose.
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A large number of non-white communities are lactose intolerant.
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So when you market something as being associated with being naturally better people and it's
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something that only white people can consistently drink, what you're doing is kind of racist.
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It's in there.
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That is a, that's a couple of steps more than you're used to seeing with your racism.
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You know, like you got to know that non-white communities are lactose intolerant.
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You got to have a wide breadth of information in order to really see milk for how racist
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it is.
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And now that I do, God damn it.
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Milk's still not racist and like liking milk isn't racist, but that doesn't mean you can't
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look at the history of it and be like, wow, that's fucked up.
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Yeah.
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And if you want to go even further with it, the very term lactose intolerant is even kind
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of messed up as a way to describe people who can't digest lactose.
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Using that framing makes it seem like being intolerant to lactose is the exception as
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opposed to being the norm.
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When in reality, quote, a significant percentage of individuals from all communities with the
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exception of Scandinavian and Northern European whites did not retain the enzyme lactase through
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adulthood.
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Northern Europeans and Scandinavians developed this enzyme as a response to living in climates
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hostile to creating sustainable food sources, which compelled them to resort to drinking
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their herds milk.
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So it's something that is specific to communities, the abundance of lactase enzyme retention.
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So calling it lactose intolerance is to somehow make it appear that like, oh, this is a deficiency
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you have as opposed to a change that Scandinavians and Northern European whites had.
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Jesus Christ.
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So yeah, so that's almost like you guys lived in the dumbest fucking place to live and then
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now you're making us feel bad for it.
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Fuck you guys.
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None of it's bad and none of it's wrong, but you know, you take that, you take those little
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things like the lactose intolerance framing is even somehow making it appear negative.
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This is vexing, Dan, being vexed.
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This is a very vexing episode.
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Very vexing.
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Yes.
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All this is to say that this shit that Alex is on is really fucking stupid.
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There is a reality to the racist history in the milk and dairy industry, but that isn't
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what he's responding to.
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He's being tricked by or participating in a fake outrage campaign organized by Nazis
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and white nationalists intending to make any criticism of racism look suspicious.
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The goal here was to provide a response.
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The next time you or one of your racist buddies gets called a racist for being racist, you
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can pull out the, oh yeah, I'm racist, like milk is racist?
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It's an attempt at building a counter narrative that 100% only exists to defend and deflect
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accurate criticisms of racism.
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This is what Alex does and it's what his show exists to do.
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So it shouldn't be all that surprising that he's on this tip.
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So we got these foods, we got cauliflower, we got milk that Alex is very mad about.
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I just got to say he is fucking triggered by this conversation about foods being racist
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or something because he starts yelling about corn and people thinking corn is racist.
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He's like, it comes from South America, Central America and maize.
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Like all right, whatever.
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So anyway, he's real mad.
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He's real mad at corn.
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Even if corn came from Europe, who cares?
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It's easy to grow.
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It's nutritious.
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How the hell do you say it's racist?
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It's a plant.
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And I know listeners are like, okay, but move on.
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No, everything hinges on cauliflower and corn being racist.
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These people are out of control.
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He's just, he's real mad.
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Everything hinges on that?
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Well, the problem with that presentation and the way he's yelling is I can't tell if he's
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saying that mockingly or if he really means that everything hinges on fighting back against
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this accusation that cauliflower is racist.
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Because either could be something I could see him saying.
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I could see, I could not just do, I could not just see that.
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I could see it being almost like a wave function through each word as he's saying it.
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What he's intending changes as he's going through it all.
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And I mean that it all hinges on this hinges.
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Now, this is actually a joke on, they do mean this, this, now this is actually a joke.
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We are, we are in doing this podcast, we are embodying the observer paradox.
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If Alex just yells, it's simultaneously a joke and serious at the same time.
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But once discussed, it no longer exists.
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You know, that is such, that thing that he said of like, even if it did come from Europe,
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who cares?
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That is such that colonialist mindset.
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Well, sure.
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You should care.
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It's immensely important where something comes from because it is coming from a different
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fucking environment and it's, you have to be aware of each ecosystem that you're coming
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into and the colonialist is just like, I like corn, let's take it to America, yay!
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Like that, that concept is kind of silly and if you, you know, like some, I think it was,
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it might be starlings.
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I can't remember for sure which bird it is, but there was a guy who was so obsessed with
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Shakespeare that he believed that every bird mentioned in Shakespeare should be on all
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the continents.
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So he brought starlings here and it destroyed every competitor and became a monstrous nightmarish
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blight.
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Did Shakespeare ever bring up cassowaries?
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I do not believe he did.
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Thank God.
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I do not believe he did.
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They don't need more of them around.
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They will murder.
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They are murder birds.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex complains about the Daily Beast writing an article about him
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and then he complains about people who are suing him.
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Well, the way to shut Jones up is just do this and that.
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It's all about shutting me up and how to shut me down and then they run the lie again in
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quotes that he's playing a character and then there's no proof, no evidence, no link to
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it.
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He's saying he almost admitted in his deposition he's playing a character.
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Your lawyer said it.
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And they put playing in character in quotes.
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And again, do you understand the level of organized deceit by these people?
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Every article is the same.
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It's all formulaically written.
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It's all put out in the talking points and these people put it out to destroy the First
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Amendment and destroy this country and your birthright.
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These are clear and present dangerous, organized, lying, stinking frauds.
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Ladies and gentlemen, please don't forget the Memorial Day special is going to be gone
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this weekend.
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OK.
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Sure it will.
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Yeah.
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The Easter special will be back on, though.
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Yeah.
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Undoubtedly next week.
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I think it's so convenient that all of the people who are critiquing Alex and suing
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him for the things that he's defamed him about are also just happen to be wanting to destroy
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this country and all of his listeners' families.
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It is strange.
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It seems, it seems he's so lucky that the people who are personally going to jeopardize
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his money are also enemies of the republic.
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You know, it's, it's just, it's really, yeah, it's really nice.
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You know, it really makes it so your content on the show can really work to defend yourself
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from lawsuits.
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OK.
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So how about...
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You can sort of merge it.
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What if we try, what if we put it in a different way?
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Like say you didn't like the way you were getting covered by the press.
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And so, I mean, conveniently it also happened that they were enemies of the republic.
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Right.
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You know, it's...
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It's very convenient.
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So they're, so obviously they're, the two are the same.
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You don't like getting criticized.
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You know what...
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They're the enemy of the republic.
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Everybody wins.
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You know what it achieves?
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It achieves getting his audience to hate anyone who criticizes him.
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Yep.
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That's number one.
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And then number two, it makes it so, so much of the content of his show can sort of low
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key be about him being sued without him having to say things that will like end up being
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another lawsuit.
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If he attaches the idea of all of these globalists and all of these enemies of America, they're
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the ones who are coming after him, it makes it very easy for his audience to build up
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that hatred of the people who are coming after him through his long rambling diatribes about
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the globalists.
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Yeah.
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Translative...
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Transitive property.
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Yep.
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It's very sneaky.
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Speaking of sneaky, Alex has his lawyer back on the show.
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Snakes.
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Oh boy.
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He has also Jim Hoft from Gateway Pundit on, but it's kind of boring and so we're not going
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to listen to any of that.
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But Robert Barnes.
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Oh, good work, Barnes.
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He is back on the show and he is boring also.
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But he does say this that is, should scare you to hear a lawyer say.
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Oh boy.
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Because this seems to be a bit of a defense of tyranny in many ways.
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Obstructing a coup is not obstruction of justice.
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It is justice.
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And that's what President Trump did.
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So...
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So...
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That's a bit of a slippery slope to make that argument.
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Huh.
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Oh boy.
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That's troublesome.
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Mm-hmm.
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I mean, on its face, it does seem like that makes a certain kind of sense.
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In this context, it means that anybody who criticizes or attempts to hold the president
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accountable for his actions is not doing anything.
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They're in a coup.
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They're in a coup.
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Maybe something that's told them to do in the Constitution.
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Instead it's a coup, so no crime can be committed in defense of this nation.
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Nope.
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No crime.
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Maybe they should have jailed the people who have investigated him.
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Maybe he should...
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Yeah.
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Maybe there should be a purge.
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Maybe there should be a purge!
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Hard labor camps for these globalists.
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Maybe there should be a purge!
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For 24 hours, everybody who is indicted, Trump can...
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All of these arguments are in service of creating the very circumstances and environment where
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power can be abused that Alex has pretended to be against for his whole fucking career.
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Yeah.
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This is ridiculous.
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So anyways, good work, Barnes.
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So not too long ago, maybe like a month or two, maybe a little bit longer than that,
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we heard Alex talk about how he can't sleep except sitting up with intense machinery because
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he has terrible sleep apnea and his neck is super thick.
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45% oxygen or whatever.
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Yeah.
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So he talks more about his sleep in this next clip.
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And then, by the way, guys, we've resisted spoilers about Game of Thrones, but now Alex
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is going to spoil Game of Thrones.
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He's gonna do even that?
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White supremacists ruin everything.
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I warn you ahead of time, but it's not like we could ignore this because he has some analysis
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of it.
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I think he might've missed the point.
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Danny's the winner!
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I am completely on edge.
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I can't even sleep.
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I'm somebody that usually sleeps like a dead person.
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They've gotten the left with this propaganda, so wound up, so hateful, show wanting war.
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I've got stacks of articles where they're writing major news articles about, I love
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the last Game of Thrones where the queen used the dragon to kill a city of 100,000 people.
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We need to kill Republicans like that.
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I mean, so what you're feeling is they want to take over.
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They want to kill you.
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They want to kill babies after they're born.
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There is a real energy of these people and they are crazy enough to make a run at Trump,
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which if they were successful will cause a civil war.
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So any way you slice this, all I'm saying is the sixth sense doesn't just stop at feeling
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somebody's staring at you from behind, you turn around, sure as hell they're looking
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at you.
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It doesn't just stop with a mountain lion, you feel and then you turn and there it is.
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It's bigger than that.
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And we've talked about this privately.
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It's not mumbo jumbo.
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It's like a wireless internet in the brain.
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Our brains are electrochemical.
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We now know they do broadcast.
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We're not just seeing with the so-called five senses.
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And I think we all inherently, you're an in touch guy, not getting into mumbo jumbo here,
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but we've talked about this probably and you put a name to it either.
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It's just, it's just that I think everybody's mojo knows we're at a crossroads.
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No question.
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It's a certain mindset.
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When you look at a show like Game of Thrones, one of the most popular shows on television,
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one of the most popular shows in the history of cable television, the two writers really
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believe that they're ending their last couple of episodes were going to be very popular.
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In fact, they're the most unpopular ending of a series and basically TV history, definitely
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cable TV history.
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And how did that happen?
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They presume that people would find it normal, okay, within the range of acceptable conduct
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for someone to go kill a bunch of innocent women and children just because they were
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mad that day.
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Wait, so, so is his contention that the writers, the D and D were thinking that everybody would
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be super stoked that Danny kills everybody or is he saying that the people hate the episode
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because they think it was actually a good idea for Danny to have killed anybody and
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didn't like seeing her retribution at the end?
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That's a great question.
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I'm not entirely sure.
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Barnes isn't really all that clear in his, in his perspective.
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Alex seems to think that it was predictive programming as a way of being like, this is
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what we should do to conservatives, which is a real snowflakey level of agreement, just
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self victim status claiming.
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But yeah, I don't know.
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I think, I think that's interesting in terms of how people see art.
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But more interesting to me is that both of them are apparently psychics.
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Yeah, that is that, I don't like how they've talked about that off air.
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Like that's, Alex says that twice.
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He really, that's not, that's a bad lawyer.
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In a minute and a half, Alex literally said, we talked about this off air.
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It's not mumbo jumbo.
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Yeah.
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Twice.
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Yeah.
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And what are you doing with that bobcat, Alex?
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Oh, he tells a story about when he was younger.
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Uh, he, his family had a land grant and so they had like a giant, like hundred acre,
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uh, and he still does, he still owns that land.
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But when he was a kid, he'd be out there and he'd be like shooting vermin and varmints.
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Yes.
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Uh, and one time he had a sense that something was watching him and he looked over and he
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saw a deer.
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He's like, that wasn't what was triggering my spidey sense.
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So he looked over and he saw a mountain lion, but he only saw its tail and then he looked
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closer and he saw the eyes and once the eyes met, the mountain lion ran away.
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All right.
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Okay.
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So based on this story, uh, I think he's right on everything.
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I mean, I don't, it's possible.
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Your sixth sense goes beyond that.
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It's within the realm of stories that could have happened.
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Alex's parents did have a lot of land.
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It wouldn't be all that crazy if he was walking around and got real lucky with running into
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a mountain lion.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, no, no, no.
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That's, it's not an insane story until you add the I'm a psychic part to it, but well,
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it's that memorability thing.
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Right.
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You know, you think hundreds and hundreds of times in your life that you've had a sense
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that something was bad and that nothing was bad.
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Right.
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You don't remember any of those times, but you do remember when you think something's
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bad and then you see a mountain lion.
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Now it sticks out in your mind because the fulfillment of that feeling.
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Right.
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Anyway, um, they're psychics, which is great.
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I thought that was loose talk, but in a little bit we're going to find out that a Robert
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Barnes does think he's a psychic.
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This is weird.
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Yeah.
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How do these people get jobs?
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I don't know.
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So, uh, in this last clip here from the 30th, Alex, uh, up to this point recently, Alex
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has been talking a lot about wanting to quit and tracing that as a, uh, uh, uh, a thread
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that's worth pointing out.
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Uh, and here he gets into it again, talking about how he doesn't really want to do this
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anymore.
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Never really did.
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Wanted to be a farmer.
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Look, there's a part of me I've been doing this 25 years that literally wants to stop.
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I'll be completely honest with the listeners and viewers.
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There's a big part of me that I didn't get into this from some narcissistic perspective,
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but I want to be on TV.
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I didn't want to be on TV.
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I want to be a farmer or rancher, and then I thought they wanted to take my guys 25 years
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ago and I got politically involved, but I'm telling you this, the info wars is a symbol
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now that the enemy wants to take down and destroy like the American flag, whatever.
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I'm not comparing myself with the American flag.
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I'm saying the enemy knows that you got Trump elected.
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They know this broadcast worldwide and you promoting it has spread nationalist, populist,
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true capitalist ideas, and they want us gone because we're the kryptonite.
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You are the kryptonite.
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And so period, we need the listeners that haven't bought products to buy some and see
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how great they are.
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Wow.
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For auto ship.
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That was amazing.
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That was amazing.
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I want to quit.
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I want to be a farmer.
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Give me money.
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You know what I love?
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Look, we've had a lot of fun with ad pivots in the past, but that was one of the smoothest
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I've heard.
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Yeah.
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In a long time.
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It kind of did flow a little bit.
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It wasn't as abrasive as some of the other ones.
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But yeah, I think that that's kind of probably not accurate.
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I'm sure Alex has always been paranoid about guns, but in other points in his career, I'm
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positive he would have said that Waco, the experience of the church burning at Waco is
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what got him to be involved and get active in this.
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His campaign to help rebuild the church in Waco.
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That was much more foundational in terms of starting his media career than I learned they
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were going to take my guns 25 years ago.
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As shorthand though, that's not terrible.
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I mean, he could just say Waco, but then if you say Waco now, people are going to react
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differently than if you said it.
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Not his audience.
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No, that's fair enough.
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That's fair enough.
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I think it's more just that everything has become so much about guns that in order for
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it to make sense, then that has to be the root of why you're doing what you do.
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And I guess you can repackage Waco as being about guns here.
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Because it is guns.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's ostensibly what it was about.
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So in this next clip, we get into the 31st and man, I got bad news about the guest lineup
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on this show.
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I'm your host, Alex Jones.
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We're going to be here for the next four hours.
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We have Robert Barnes, who's a great lawyer and really great talk show host.
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Psychic.
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In studio with us for the second two hours.
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And I will open the phones up on a host of issues.
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He opens the phones like 10 minutes till he's done.
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Yeah, I was going to say.
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So Robert Barnes-
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No way does he want Barnes answering real people's questions.
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Barnes is back again.
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Why is Barnes back?
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He's on all the time now.
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Is it like, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.
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Maybe he's trading, maybe this is barter.
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I had this thought.
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I don't know.
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I obviously can't prove that.
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But that is a thought that crossed my mind that Alex is paying him with exposure or something
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like that.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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It's weird.
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He's on a lot.
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In this fucking appearance, Alex is like, you want to co-host with me on Sunday?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Either that or he's like-
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He's in town.
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He's gradually just like everybody else in his life is stepping away from him, but he
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knows that his lawyer's not going to step away from him.
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He's paying that guy.
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He's in town visiting, so it makes sense that this would be a time when he'd be on a bunch.
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But also, that doesn't happen.
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Rogan will come in town for a weekend in two shows.
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It's not on every day.
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It's strange because he doesn't really have that much to bring to the table.
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Also, Rogan's lawyer isn't showing up on Rogan's podcast either.
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No.
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That's-
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That's also a weird thing.
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I think the most likely explanation is that Alex has reached the pathetic level, that
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he's just constantly hanging out on air with someone he literally pays to defend him.
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Yeah.
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That does sound-
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I think that seems on brand at this point.
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That does sound appropriate.
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Yeah.
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I also think that it's probably a bad sign that Barnes is trying to position himself
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as kind of this hot shot lawyer to the ascendant right wing fascist community.
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He was the lawyer for the Covington kids, and he keeps popping up on Alex's show.
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He was a guest on a recent episode of Dave Rubin's show, and he seems to be on Fox News
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a little bit pretty regularly, or at least, he has popped up on Fox News.
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Yeah.
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Given all this, I decided maybe I should look into him a little bit more.
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I kind of gave him the pass as just sort of like a opportunistic lawyer, but I think he's
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trying to create a brand.
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You think so?
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I think so.
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I read his bio on his website, and I decided that maybe I don't need to look too much further
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into this guy.
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Quote, once established in a law and business advisory practice that spanned the globe from
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his home base in Malibu, California, Barnes parlayed his keen understanding of persuasion
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and patterns into a lucrative side business in sports and political betting.
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So-
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Okay.
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We have a gambling lawyer.
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So he used persuasion to set up a gambling ring, which doesn't sound at all like how
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you might politely describe the mob.
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They used a lot of persuasion in their gambling rings.
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He was like this person.
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You know about, he says in there, political gambling, and you know what's interesting?
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It turns out that he bet on Trump to win the election and ended up winning 470,000 euros.
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That's right.
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His prize was in euros because betting on presidential elections is super illegal in
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the US.
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Yeah, you can't do that here.
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You can't do that here.
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He had to go to Europe to do it.
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That's not fair.
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Yeah.
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He won like a half million dollars going to Europe and betting on elections.
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What else do you need?
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Get out of here.
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Go away, Barnes.
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It seems like a real weird thing now for him to be actively involved in political activities
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that support Trump when he made half a million dollars gambling on an election.
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Yeah.
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Didn't Pete Rose get banned for this?
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Shouldn't you get banned for life from that?
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You're cheating.
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Barnes isn't going to make it into the whole thing.
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He's not going to make it.
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His bio goes on to say, quote, Barnes is now working for the rights of the underdog, providing
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his prescient fortune telling strategy and polling insight to candidates of the populist
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persuasion.
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A lawyer wrote that?
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I think that that means he literally thinks he can see the future and he's using his mystical
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abilities to help fascists, which doesn't sound at all like something that Hitler did
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back in the day.
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Yeah, that really does sound like something Hitler would do.
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He did hang out with fortune tellers.
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That does sound like something Hitler would want.
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So in 2004, Robert Barnes represented Joe Bannister in his tax protest case against
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the IRS.
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Joe Bannister is someone who's been a hero of Alex's for a really long time.
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I find it very difficult to imagine that Alex wouldn't have known who Joe Bannister's lawyer
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was.
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There's a possibility that he's known this dude for 15 years.
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Yeah, for sure.
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I don't know that to be certain, but the fact that he was involved with Bannister means
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that...
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Yeah, or at the very least known of him.
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Yes, for sure.
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Yeah.
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In 2008, Robert Barnes represented Girls Gone Wild creator Joe Francis on tax evasion charges.
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Well, he did for a little while, but ultimately left as his counsel, to which Francis said,
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quote, the only reason they wanted me as a client was to mooch off me and open up an
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L.A. office.
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They're the Paris Hilton of lawyers, just to be famous, not to do anything.
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God, even when he's criticizing a monster, that guy's still a dick.
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Yeah, yeah.
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What a dick.
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So in 2017, Barnes represented Cassandra Fairbanks when she was trying to sue a reporter for
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fusion.
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The reporter had tweeted an image of Fairbanks at the White House doing the okay hand gesture,
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which the reporter captioned as a, quote, white power hand gesture.
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This is exactly why the trolls started doing that gesture to begin with, to bait people
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into responding this way, then suing them.
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It's a publicity trap, and the lawyer Fairbanks got to represent her was Robert fucking Barnes.
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Fusion rightly responded, the complaint, quote, is clearly frivolous.
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This suit is an obvious publicity stunt in an attempt to intimidate reporters who scrutinize
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the extreme right, which is correct.
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Yeah.
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Barnes is into that.
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That's pretty much dead on.
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In June 2018, the lawsuit was thrown out because, of course, it was.
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In 2018, Chuck Johnson hired Barnes to represent him when he sued Twitter for when they kicked
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him off after he had threatened to, quote, take out civil rights leader DeRay McKesson.
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I don't know why they threatened to kick him off.
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So you got a real interesting thread through Barnes's career of some real interesting cases,
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especially lately, because he also represented Ralph Nader in a case, and also was Wesley
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Snipes' tax lawyer.
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Why not?
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Why not?
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He has an interesting history of some of those celebrity clients, and then the more recent
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stuff of, like, explicitly working with right wing figures.
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For cases...
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Yeah, he's a little bit like Avon Barksdale's lawyer, like that whole guy they have on retainer
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of just like, hey, if any of our guys goes to prison, you're the one representing them,
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like that kind of thing.
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I think that's sort of the position he's trying to claim, the space he's trying to claim for
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the right wing propaganda community.
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And I think that's interesting, and I think it's going to blow up in his face because
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of Alex.
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Yes, of course.
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But we'll see.
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Maybe he'll be wise enough to avoid the pitfalls, but I don't think he is if he's going on this
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show a lot.
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Yeah, no, it seems like he's doing the classic fucking mistake.
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It's like a shortcut that has a trap door.
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Take the long way, you get there safe, shortcut, you're going to fall through.
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This is folly.
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You're putting too much attention on yourself, yeah.
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Especially too much bad attention, because you're going on Alex's fucking show three
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times in a week.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah.
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So Alex is going to complain here in this next clip before Barnes shows up about how
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blue cities are falling apart, which, of course, we know because we've listened to Alex's show
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before he says it all the fucking time, dabba dabba dabba doop.
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Every blue city in the country is not just collapsing into typhoid and leprosy and drug
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resistant TB and literally hundreds of other diseases.
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They're collapsing into homelessness, drug abuse needles with a cherry on top of men
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dressed as women running around at public events with small children.
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That's the cherry on top.
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Was Sodom and Gomorrah real in the Bible?
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Archaeologists think so.
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The Old Testament.
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Okay.
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But Sodom and Gomorrah is real today.
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What's your point of order?
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People aren't referencing Sodom and Gomorrah just as the place.
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There's a larger context around it that it doesn't matter if the place is real or not.
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But Alex has said that it is.
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So I mean, archaeologists say it is.
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No, I know.
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But that doesn't mean that the story is true.
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Yeah, it doesn't mean that.
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No, even if the place is true, it doesn't mean the story is true.
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No, it doesn't.
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So a number of folks over the years have tried to claim that they've discovered the archeological
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sites where Sodom and Gomorrah once stood, but each time their claims are scrutinized
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and found to be deeply flawed.
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You know, also, I would imagine that a lot of those guys share one thing, which is they're
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looking for Sodom and Gomorrah for a very specific reason.
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No, no, no, no.
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And that reason is to...
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I strongly disagree because I think the archeological curiosity is very strong.
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Yeah, that's true.
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You know, like Heinrich Schliemann spending his whole life trying to find Troy.
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Right, right, right.
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I get that.
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I think that...
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I don't think anyone's trying to prove anything by archeology.
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Maybe a couple are, but not most.
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Well, that's fair.
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Yeah, those two guys wanted to prove bones and shit, dinosaurs.
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I fucking know Heinrich Schliemann's name.
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So that's what you want as an archeologist.
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Fair enough.
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Being the person to stake your name on a thing.
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Imagine being the person who discovers Sodom.
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Yeah, fair enough.
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I suppose I was more leaning towards the people who would then exploit it immediately after
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that.
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That is fair.
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That's who I was thinking of.
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Yeah.
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But one of the more prominent proposed locations for Sodom is a dig site called Tal al-Hamam,
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which many found to be a pretty good candidate as, you know, fitting geographically, possibly
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where it was.
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Unfortunately...
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Tal al-Hamam and tell your mother you're brilliant, I believe.
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Unfortunately, once people look closer, they found that if that site is accepted as Sodom,
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then it completely rewrites and invalidates accepted biblical dates for the time period.
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Similar problems pop up in many attempts to pin down a geographic location for either
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of the cities.
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Yeah.
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Alex is kind of right in as much as some enterprising archeologists looking to make a name for themselves
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do think that they found Sodom or Gomorrah, but a wider scholarly community takes a more
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measured approach, taking the position that they could be real places, but we don't have
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evidence that they are as of yet.
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Also, I don't think you'd find many archeologists who believe the story of Sodom and Gomorrah
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literally.
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I would suspect most of them would say that if the place was real and there's any truth
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to the story, it's a metaphorical retelling of a natural disaster that happened and wiped
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out a ton of people.
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It's an element of oral tradition that's scapegoating.
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We talked a little bit about this when Alex brought up Aesop, and there are a lot of parallels.
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You tell a story about two cities destroyed by a terrible earthquake or something, and
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you need to have it make sense.
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So in oral tradition, you introduce an element of divine retribution that caused this instead
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of shitty luck.
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In that way, you also reinforce cultural norms and expectations through the telling of the
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story, and there you go.
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That's how this works.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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A bunch of guys wanted to rape some angels, and instead they fucked that dude's...
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They raped those dude's daughters, and anyways, the city destroyed.
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Don't do any of that shit.
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There you go.
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Fable complete.
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Indeed.
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So anyway, archeologists don't agree that Sodom and Gomorrah were real places based
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on available evidence.
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Alex is just doing that to, I guess, be a dick.
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Yeah, it does sound like that.
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So, in this next clip, Alex says that he is willing to turn on Trump and Kushner, and
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this is because news has come out that Kushner is going to Bilderberg, and this is a big
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problem.
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Yeah, that's gonna really fuck with your narrative there.
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Yeah, but Alex has decided it's cool.
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Unless Kushner pulls fucking Cersei and High Septon's that shit.
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You know what I'm saying?
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I don't think he has any wildfire.
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But the thing is, with Alex, he's already done this, because Trump went to Davos, so
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he's already worked out how to play this game.
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It's like, yes, of course, it's a den of globalists, but it's fine.
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They're cool.
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Yeah, that's a simple paste and replace situation there.
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So he's responding to criticisms that a lot of people have been throwing at him.
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The Kushner is going to Bilderberg.
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So in order to say, like, hey, this isn't a problem, he makes it clear that if there
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ever is a problem or if there was, he would fucking turn on them.
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Right.
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Which I would like to point out has happened six times already.
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Yeah.
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So this doesn't mean anything.
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Now, if I see anything out of Kushner or Trump that's pissing on our sovereignty or our freedom
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or our values, I'll turn on them like a pit bull on PCP.
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But let me give you a little news flash.
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It ain't going to happen.
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It's not, folks.
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It's not.
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So everybody should just relax.
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You're conquering Bilderberg right now.
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OK.
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All right.
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Fair enough.
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When investigating a hypothesis, one should never assume the outcome before the experiment
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has taken place.
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Is the experiment Kushner going to Bilderberg?
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Yes, it is.
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That's not an experiment.
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That's just a dude going to a meeting.
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Fair enough.
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It's not anything.
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No, the experiment is, what would it take for somebody to turn on Trump?
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Don't worry about it.
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That's not going to happen.
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Uh-huh.
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So, yeah, it's not going to happen because you're not going to do it, not because of
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them.
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We've seen that it's not going to happen with Alex because it's happened repeatedly.
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Of course.
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And it's just like, oh, I'll just walk that back when I sober up.
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Yep.
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Cool.
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And that's that's not fair.
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So you remember earlier I was talking about the idea of this purge that people were pushing
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for in the beginning early days of Trump's presidency, how all of these people in the
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right wing media, including Alex and a lot of his guests and people who were more associated
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with him then than they are now, people like Mike Cernovich, who doesn't come around anymore.
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A lot of people's images don't show up in their photographs anymore.
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I compared that to specifically and intentionally the idea of this recent purge that Kim Jong
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Un carried out.
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I didn't expect for Alex to bring back Robert Barnes on this 31st episode and then talk
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about that purge and be kind of cool with it.
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Oh, no.
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He's ending the status quo.
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We know 60 years of this ain't working.
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Exactly.
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And what he's done is he's decided now this is not the happiest or healthiest mechanism
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of dealing with a failed peace conference, is to kill and imprison everybody who he blames
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for it.
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But what he's what he's doing is he's establishing that he wants it to go forward, that he does
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not blame the president, that he wants the president's agenda and he blames his people
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for not achieving that agenda of the peace and detente that the president's called.
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And then Trump signals he may get rid of Bolton, which is another signal.
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Absolutely.
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That is a really fucked up way to rationalize and be like, it's totally cool.
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His dictator either killed.
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It's not cool.
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It's definitely not the healthiest way to go about it, Dan.
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That's so stupid.
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That's such a.
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That is.
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Oh, boy.
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Oh, boy.
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Not the healthiest way to do it.
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Look, there are better ways if I had a signal somehow it is kind of you got to give it to
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him.
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It is so much.
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You got to give it to Kim Jong Un.
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He is trying to signal to Trump that he wants to move forward by killing the people who
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negotiated this agreement.
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Yep.
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This is very this.
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You know what?
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This is a real strategic move on his part.
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And if it achieves his goal, then I think we should support it.
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That was one of the most disjointed like ideas I've heard come out of a lawyer's mouth, let
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alone a guest on Alex Jones's show like it's.
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It's delusional, first of all.
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The idea because like what the North Korean press or what I was reading was that the idea
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for the purge was that Kim Jong Un was mad that these people didn't understand U.S. intentions
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in the meeting and the U.S. intention they didn't understand was that there was an expectation
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of complete denuclearization.
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And so it doesn't seem like the purge was particularly to get more in line with Trump.
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It seems like it might be more away from what Trump should have been pushing for.
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So it seems like this is a step backwards.
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But Robert Barnes and Alex Jones are willing to go on air and argue that a purging of government
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officials in the wake of a not going great conference.
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Not the best way to go about it.
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But OK.
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But it's a good sign.
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It's a positive.
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You know, a lot of people a lot of people think that, you know, meteors crashing into
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the earth is bad.
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But you know what?
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We get to see all that fire first.
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It's great.
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That's that's a wild thought.
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I mean, there's a lot of times that I just think like.
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These guys are really going for it, and that's one of them that's really going for it.
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Yeah.
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They're going to sort of reclaim Kim Jong-un purging people as a positive for the nationalism.
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It's their space.
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It's fucked up, man.
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You know, it is nice to see Barnes really demystifying lawyers, you know, because so
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often they're presented as being rational, intelligent people when, you know, they're
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just assholes like the rest of us and that dude's fucking crazy.
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Speaking of crazy, Robert Barnes is nuts.
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So there is a bit of a story going around that's that's come out about some tapes that
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are supposed to be released, I believe, in twenty twenty seven of Martin Luther King.
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And they don't portray him in a positive light.
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The tapes that were used to blackmail him?
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Probably.
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Yeah.
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I would assume so.
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I don't know enough about it.
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And all the reporting on it that I was looking at was second hand.
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People who had seen them in the archives.
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So I don't have a full position on it at press time as we record this.
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But I do have a position on it in terms of like, I don't think that anyone is trying
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to get Martin Luther King canceled.
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You know what I mean?
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That's.
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Damn.
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Damn.
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Yeah.
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Because they did it.
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I mean, because they did cancel him.
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I mean, the very people.
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You make a fair point.
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I mean, the left and the SJWs aren't trying to cancel Martin Luther King with this talk
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of these tapes.
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Right.
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Right.
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That seems to be what Alex believes, though.
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And Alex and Robert Barnes have a conversation about the canceling of Martin Luther King.
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And they have a theory about why the left has turned on him.
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And have what did we with according to Alex and Barnes, I don't recall doing that.
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I don't either still pretty sure he's OK in my book.
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I don't recall turning on Martin Luther King either.
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But I guess now that Alex and Robert have said it, we have it does seem like we did
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and I guess retroactively.
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And now we get to find out why.
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So this is what's unique about Martin Luther King was that he was a racial unifier.
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Get his appeal to civil rights wasn't based on, hey, I'm black.
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Give me civil rights.
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It was I'm an American.
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And that's the real reason they killed him.
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Absolutely.
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He was such a unifying figure across classes, across races, and he was appealing to the
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deepest part of Americana.
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So that's interesting.
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All right.
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So the way that he said that is so mixed with being correct and wrong in the right and wrong
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ways simultaneously that it vexes me, Dan.
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It's a little wild.
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This is a vexing episode.
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In this next clip, you'll get more vexed, probably.
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The left is openly trying to discredit Martin Luther King.
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Exactly.
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I mean, it shows how crazy the left has got.
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King is probably the biggest threat to their divisive message of anybody in our public
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lexicon.
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That's why I've been quoting him once a month, every hour.
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Because because.
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I mean, they have to take him out, they have to take him out because he was a uniter.
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Now if I were to make a complete is he are they writing J. Edgar Hoover's speeches for
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him?
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What's going on here?
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Weird.
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This is bananas.
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They're talking about what J. Edgar Hoover did, who was not on the left.
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No, no, no, no, no, no.
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Maybe maybe.
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I mean, what they're describing is what happened.
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Maybe there's not enough context from those clips.
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But what they're saying is that these tapes, they're not happy about the like J. Edgar
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Hoover and the FBI.
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Right.
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All their actions.
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Right.
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They're saying now the left is going to use all that to cancel Martin Luther King.
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OK.
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And all that.
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So if I were to make a complete list, this podcast may never end.
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But I wanted to point out a few things that Alex and Barnes are intentionally leaving
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out of their discussion of Martin Luther King Jr., things that make me 100 percent sure
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that should Alex have been active in the 60s, he would have been on the side of those calling
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for King's head.
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Oh, yeah.
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In 1952, Martin Luther King wrote, quote, I am much more socialistic in my economic
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theory than capitalistic.
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Capitalism has outlived its usefulness.
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In 1967, the left wants to call him in 1967.
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Martin Luther King literally gave a speech at Riverside Church and posited that private
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property rights were not a primary concern.
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The left hates him, quote, when machines and computers, profit motives and property rights
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are considered more important than people.
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The giant triplet of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered.
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He's the only thing standing in between the left and victory.
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Dan, in his final book, Where Do We Go From Here?
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King pushes for guaranteed income, constitutional amendments regarding economic equality and
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increasing public housing.
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He expresses support for job guarantees and universal health care.
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He literally called for redistribution of wealth.
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And that's why he's the darling of the right, Dan, because of his inclusive message.
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What Alex and Robert Barnes are doing here is engaging in whitewashing of Martin Luther
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King's life and legacy.
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He was a uniter, absolutely, but he was trying to unite people for a goal that these two
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dum-dums would have fought tooth and nail against.
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You think Alex Jones would have heard him literally called for reparations and said,
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hey, this guy's a real uniter.
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You think Alex Jones would have read the letter from a Birmingham jail where he said that
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moderate whites may be more of an impediment to civil rights than the Klan.
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And he would have thought, this guy has some interesting points.
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All of Alex's guides and inspirations were diametrically opposed to Martin Luther King
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when he was actually alive.
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Alex's favorite book, None Dare Call It Conspiracy, was written by Gary Allen, a dude who worked
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for the George Wallace campaign, who was a fucking segregationist.
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Alex's favorite non-Trump politician of all time, Ron Paul, was explicitly against the
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Civil Rights Act.
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And that's true of an upsettingly large number of libertarians.
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My point is this.
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You can say that Martin Luther King was a uniter all you want, and in many ways that's
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totally cool.
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What Alex and Barnes are doing here, however, is stealing Martin Luther King's legacy from
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him and imagining that some possible world exists where they would have been in that
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very small percentage of the population that didn't hate Martin Luther King when he was
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still alive.
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This is a pathetic and disgusting display, but just about what you'd expect from these
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couple of dicks.
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I think I would say that's pretty much the entire Republican Party's default position
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regarding Martin Luther King Jr.
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That idea of like, I mean, it's one of Louis C.K.'s better bits, but the idea that every
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year white people add another hundred years from the day slavery happened.
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You know?
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Like that every day that Martin Luther King Jr. has been dead, we can take a little bit
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away from what he was actually trying to do and then just really, oh, he was a symbol
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of American unity.
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That's what he was.
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Yeah.
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Alex pretends that like all the stuff he screams about the globalist about aren't like very
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in line with stuff that King was pushing for.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It's like, go fuck yourself, Alex.
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You would have been screaming that he's a globalist.
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You dumb prick.
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And that is why he was taken out, is because he was uniting a lot of people in order to
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fight against people like you.
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Wow.
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People like, people who are as engaged in maintaining the status quo as you are.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So from what I understand-
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Why they killed Fred Hampton.
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From what I understand, a bit of this tape and the tapes that are to be released are,
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they have to do with mistreatment of women.
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And that is obviously something that does complicate his legacy.
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And it is something that has to be discussed.
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It's something that you can't just ignore these bad parts of important figures.
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And it doesn't mean that you have to say that they're canceled or anything like that, but
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you have to wrestle with those things.
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And it's interesting the way that Alex wrestles with that specific element, because I think
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he goes the, I think you get a glimpse into how his brain works here.
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He hates the, he somehow is like, no, it's actually good that-
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You'll see.
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Oh boy.
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So they're trying to leak negative, nasty things about King because they need to remove
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him from the lexicon.
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So what communists do in hardcore-
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They airbrush you out.
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Absolutely.
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What are you talking about?
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They kill who you really are, shut you down.
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He's dead.
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That's perfect.
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Then they build up this straw man that you weren't.
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He's now a Kavanaugh rapist.
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Exactly.
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They're comparing him to Harvey Weinstein.
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That's how insane this is.
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They're saying that Martin Luther King was the Harvey Weinstein of history.
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That is a ridiculous-
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No, Harvey Weinstein is the Harvey Weinstein.
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That shows they've been completely psychotic, because what King said was true.
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Whether what they're saying about him is true.
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I don't buy a damn, because I've been through so many lies, I don't believe the damn thing
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they say.
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Plus they have no proof.
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It just makes me like King even more.
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Well first, I believe you're discussing tapes, which would, I assume, be the proof.
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Right.
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So they do have proof.
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Presumably, yeah.
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And also, what?
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No, that's not good.
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No, it's weird.
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It's weird that that's your impulse.
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It's like, hey, these sorts of accusations of violence against women make me-
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Makes me like him even more.
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It's like, uh-oh, Alex, your brain is weird.
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That's not good.
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No.
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That's not good.
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You know, Barnes makes clear that he doesn't know shit about what Martin Luther King was
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all about, but he's still trying to claim him.
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He's trying to take the legacy.
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Everybody wants him.
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And so what you see with King is King presents a historical counter-narrative to the leftist
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agenda.
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It's a unifying agenda, it's an American-rooted agenda, it's a Constitution-based agenda.
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King was very much about unifying people, unifying people in the name of a conservative
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tradition.
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What?
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In general, by appealing to our constitutional history, and by particularly saying, and very
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patriotic, that because I'm an American, and because I'm a man, I should have the same
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rights as all men and as all Americans.
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It was not a reparations-based appeal, it was not a victim-based appeal, it was not
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a poor-me-pity-me appeal, it was not a give-me-special-rights appeal, it was give-me-equal-rights appeal.
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So here's why that's stupid.
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I would like Barnes- Barnes, I challenge you now to give me one thing about Martin Luther
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King Jr. that you have read and remembered because none of that.
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Well here's something he should read, or go ahead, I'll just read it for him.
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Oh that'd be nice of you.
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This is a speech that Martin Luther King Jr. gave in 1968, it was on his speaking tour
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leading up to the Poor People's March in Washington.
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Quote, at the very same time that America refused to give the Negro any land, through
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an act of Congress our government was giving away millions of acres of land in the West
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and Midwest, which meant it was willing to undergird its white peasants from Europe with
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an economic floor.
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But not only did they give them land, they built land-grant colleges and government money
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to teach them how to farm.
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Not only that, they provided county agents to further their expertise in farming.
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Not only that, they provided low interest rates in order that they could mechanize their
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farms.
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Not only that, today many of these people are receiving millions of dollars in federal
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subsidies not to farm, and they are the very people telling the black man that he ought
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to lift himself up by his bootstraps.
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And this is what we are faced with, and this is the reality.
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He finished his thoughts by saying, quote, now when we come to Washington in this campaign,
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we are coming to get our check.
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It is explicitly about reparations.
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Barnes and Alex are not interested in Martin Luther King Jr.
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No, they hate Martin Luther King Jr.
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They are interested in stealing him and turning him into a prop that they can use to further
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their agenda and their propaganda.
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It's very transparent.
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And really, Fox News should be banned from actually saying Martin Luther King Jr.'s name.
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Like it's so disgraceful for any of them to even say it.
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Ugh, it's disgusting.
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So remember how Alex responded to the stuff about these tapes, the idea that it makes
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it like him more?
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Yeah, he loves it.
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It would be just- Locker room talk, Dan, locker room talk.
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It would be weird to just hear that.
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I would find that fucked up.
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But then it's even weirder that not a couple of minutes later, he says this, I was about
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14 years old.
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Oh, no.
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And one of my dad's cousins was over and she was good looking, hot blonde, she's probably
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like 30 years old.
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What?
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And man, her husband was there, knocked out.
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We've been out shooting everything.
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He's a lawyer.
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And I've been out there when they're four friends, but man, I slapped her on the ass
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and it was sexual and he kind of looked at me and said, hey, you better watch it.
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And she laughed, but he was like, and I'm a 14 year old slapping a full grown woman
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on the ass and he was kind of like, hey junior, you better watch it because it was sexual
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and I couldn't help it.
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It's unbelievable.
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We'll be right back.
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There's no reason to tell that story.
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Why did you tell that story?
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What was he doing?
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What the fuck just happened there?
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I don't know.
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You are, you're on, you're on the air, man.
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That's pretty- Even one on one, that conversation, that
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story coming up would make me go, I wish we'd never started speaking.
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I think he just thinks he has attorney-client privilege because he's talking to his lawyer
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on air.
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None of this is usable, none of this is usable against me.
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So it's really weird to have a situation where, yeah, I mean, there is the possibility that
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some of Martin Luther King Jr's personal history is going to change in terms of the conversation
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surrounding him.
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I think that that's something that history allows for, scholarship allows for that.
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The context of these recordings is something that will be more complicated conversation
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to have eventually.
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But when Alex is like, the left is just trying to take him out because he's a threat to the
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narrative or whatever, and also by the way, whenever there's accusations of sexual assault-
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I'm cool with it.
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I kind of like the person more.
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And then he immediately tells a story about sexually assaulting a family member at 14.
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It's weird.
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Really weird.
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That's just a weird story from start to finish.
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It's weird.
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Why you're telling it to me, weird.
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What it is, weird.
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It's a cousin, weird.
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She's married and 30 and you're 14.
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I think it's what, first cousin, once removed.
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Weird.
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Yeah.
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All of this is weird.
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I don't appreciate none of that.
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Nope.
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It's vexing.
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And it's very vexing.
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I thought, I suppose, naively, I thought everybody knew that J. Edgar Hoover was trying to blackmail
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Martin Luther King Jr. because he was having multiple affairs and the like.
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I think that some of this goes past affairs, though.
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I thought that was normal.
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It does it?
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I think so.
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Okay.
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I don't know.
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Because the articles that I was reading were not specific enough for me to really glean
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a ton of information about it.
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I don't know.
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I'm not qualified to speak on it because I don't know enough.
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I know that there is a kernel of it that probably involves that exact thing, J. Edgar Hoover
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trying to blackmail.
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But I also assume that there's more information in there than is known.
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Yeah.
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It's really difficult going back through with so many of those people of like the heroes
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of the women's right to vote movement also being virulently anti-trans and all of this
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stuff where you look back at these people who you think are pillars of progressive thought
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and then you go back and it's like, oh, you're actually a monster.
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But you did, I don't know.
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Yeah.
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And that's the complicated legacy that a lot of people leave behind and that's difficult.
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But also Alex does bring up something that really does scare me because it is something
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that could be done eventually with the emerging technologies that we have.
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That is when someone's dead, you could completely rewrite their history by creating doctored
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videos of stuff with all the new technologies that are emerging.
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There is the possibility of doing that.
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I don't think that's what's going on here, but it's a fucking scary thought.
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That is a super scary thought.
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And I assume that people who listen to Alex and his community will be more likely to do
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that than anyone else.
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I try really hard never to think about that because it is too terrifying.
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It's the annihilation of objective reality.
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So I don't know, man, this is a weird episode.
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It's been vexing, as you've said, and I agree.
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It's full of barns.
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So much barns.
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This show is crazy.
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I expected...
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And he's done zero good work, Dan.
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None.
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I expected to go back and obviously I thought it was going to be a lot of Mueller talk,
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but it's not much.
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Of course not.
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It's just Robert Barnes talks for a little while about how he was way out of line in
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that press conference.
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Like, okay, that's what I expected to hear.
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Yeah.
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It's real boring.
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There's just not much.
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It's kind of...
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Every time.
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Every time.
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We think it's going to be something and then all of a sudden it's you got to give it up
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to Kim Jong-un for murdering people.
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There's that.
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There's also a lot of cauliflower talk, which I am not here for.
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No.
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Don't care.
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So yeah, I don't know.
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I'm glad that we did this episode, if only for Alex's drop about donuts.
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Yeah, that is too good.
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If only for that.
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You want to play that again?
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I do.
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I was back in the coffee room where somebody bought donuts and I just inhaled two of them.
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Stop it.
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Even though I appreciate it.
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If you're not tickled by that, you don't have a soul.
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So it's worth it for that.
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Oh, God damn.
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But we'll be back with another episode on Wednesday.
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We will.
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But until then, we have a website.
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We do have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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That's on Twitter?
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at knowledge underscore fight and I'm at Go To Bed Jordan.
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And we're all on Facebook.
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We are on Facebook and you can download us on the iTunes.
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Yep.
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Other places.
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Subscribe reviews.
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Find them all.
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Go to Napster.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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Search for our torrent.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You'll be able to get some.
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We're on LimeWire.
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Good stuff.
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Can't remember any other places I used to download music.
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But yeah, until then, I mean, Robert Barnes has had a lot of weird clients.
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But I'll say I don't think Ralph Nader's killed anybody.
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Probably true.
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Paid Robert Barnes some money, but probably never killed anybody.
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Ralph Nader.
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Maybe.
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I don't know.
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No, Nader never killed.
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No, it doesn't seem like it.
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Nader doesn't kill.
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His hands are too weak.
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But one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
