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Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes. Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages,
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and talk about Alex Jones. Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan. Dan? Jordan.
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Who's your favorite movie monster? Favorite movie monster?
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Yeah. I don't like any of them.
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You don't like any of them? I don't like scary movies, but also those.
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If you're talking about like the Wolfman and that shit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe classic Universal Monsters.
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I didn't like any of them. You didn't like any of them?
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No, but I did like the song The Monster Mash. Okay.
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And look man, I knew, I want to talk about my, I want to talk about something real quick.
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Okay. And you knew my question wasn't going to get you there.
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No. I knew about all of Boris Pickett's other songs,
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like the Monster Swim and the sequel to the Monster Mash and the Climate Mash.
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He did the Climate Mash. He did, yeah.
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Okay. It's about climate change.
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Oh, okay. I was going to say, if he did that all the way back, whatever,
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the Monster Mash was relevant. The Monster Rap.
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The Monster Rap, that was great. I knew about these a long time ago,
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before everyone else started making jokes about, what kind of credibility am I trying to make here?
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I was going to say, you're... I don't feel like I can talk about my
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love of the idea that he just kept making those songs.
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I like it. Because now it's kind of like,
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eh, other people have pointed that out. It's not a novel observation for me.
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And that's pretty much my relationship with monsters.
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That's your only real, that's the tangent.
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When you asked me, who's your favorite universe, like classic movie monster,
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that's what came to my mind. It's like, I wish I could complain about the Monster Mash
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and the sequels and all that shit, but I can't.
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Well, there we go. We did learn something interesting about you though.
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Mm-hmm. One time for a live show, I wrote, it was a holiday show,
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and I wrote a remake of the Monster Mash about false flags, which is relevant to our show.
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Yeah. Yep. How did that go?
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I don't remember. I don't remember exactly, but it was like, was that a false flag?
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Anyway, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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And a lot about the Monster Mash. And song parodies. And Boris Pickett.
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And Boris Pickett. Wilson Pickett's long-lost brother.
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Incorrect.
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Sounds right. And I only know what you tell me about both.
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That's correct. Jordan, today we got an interesting Wacky Wednesday episode to go over.
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All right. All right.
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But before we get to any of that, which will be a humdinger, as I told you twice.
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You received two texts regarding the humdingerousness of this episode.
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I don't think that I can oversell things by saying humdinger a bunch of times.
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No.
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But I'm going to try. It's going to be a humdinger.
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It's going to be a humdinger.
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Something else that is a humdinger is how great I feel about our very generous,
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wonderful audience and some people who've supported the show.
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We got to send them out some thank yous.
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Absolutely.
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So first of all, Corey, thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Corey.
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Thanks, Corey.
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Next, Jared, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Jerry.
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Thank you, Jerry.
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Next, Papercraft B, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Papercraft B.
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What about Papercraft A?
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Not getting any donations from Papercraft A.
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Oh, he died in NOM.
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Papercraft B, get in touch with Papercraft A.
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This is his son.
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Oh.
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He's carrying on the great Papercraft name.
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In that case, we apologize for your loss.
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We honor your father's service.
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Next, The Postman, thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you so much, The Postman.
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What about Il Postino?
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Is this Karl Malone? These are my two questions.
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All right.
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Oh, I was thinking it was what's-his-name from the movie The Postman.
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Il Postino?
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No, you remember.
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Shit, he was also in Waterworld.
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Kevin Costner.
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It's Kevin Costner.
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Tom Petty is also in that movie.
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Tom Petty is in The Postman?
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Yeah.
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Oh.
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Also, finally, I'd like to say thank you to not Tom Petty,
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although much like Papercraft A, we mourn his loss.
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Yeah.
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Finally, I'd like to say thank you to someone who donated on an elevated level.
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We appreciate it very much.
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So, Amanda, thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy Shark.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser, little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much, Amanda.
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Thank you very much, Amanda.
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If you're listening out there and you're thinking,
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I like this show, I'd like to support these guys,
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do you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com,
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clicking that button to support the show.
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We would appreciate it.
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It'd be kind.
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Good news, bad news, Jordan.
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Good news, bad news.
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About our goal.
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Okay.
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The goal is for me to get a tattoo.
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The tattoo has been hit.
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We crossed that goal.
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That's the good news.
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Good news?
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You know what the bad news is?
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Every tattoo artist in the tri-state area has been randomly hit by measles.
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So you've heard the bad news.
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I have heard the bad news.
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That is not the bad news.
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Okay.
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People, a couple people have erased their donations and we are now below the goal.
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That's exactly like how my life goes.
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That's, that seems like such a perfect microcosm.
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Like, haha, all right.
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But I can't hold that against people.
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Everyone is so great.
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I'm going to get this tattoo as soon as I can, no matter what.
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I meant to do it this weekend, but the design wasn't finished.
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But we will get to that and we'll start sort of trying to figure out what the next goal is.
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Absolutely.
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Maybe another documentary if people are interested in that.
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Could be.
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Or we might brainstorm some other thing.
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Maybe a live show, maybe a couple live shows.
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Maybe a regional goal.
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Maybe.
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Yeah.
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We can't do that.
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I know.
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Of course not.
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That would be insane.
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No, I mean we don't have the technology.
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Right.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Oh, okay.
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So Jordan, today we've got a Wacky Wednesday episode for you.
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Yes.
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For you.
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Not for the audience.
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For you.
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For me specifically.
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And so what it is, is it's Project Camelot stuff.
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Yeah.
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But it's not really.
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Okay.
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You know what, this is one of the things that I value the most about doing Wacky Wednesdays.
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Being able to take a break from Alex Jones.
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One of the big things is being able to tell stories.
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Being able to get into the muck.
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And I believe that what I'm about to present in front of you is a literally insane string
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of things I learned about.
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Okay.
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I mentioned last week that we couldn't have a Wacky Wednesday because there's something
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I was working on and still sort of looking at.
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And that is this.
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That is this.
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Yes.
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Are you ready?
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I've never been more in suspense as to whether or not this is truly a humdinger.
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It's a humdinger.
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Okay.
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So on our last episode about Carrie Cassidy's adventures pretending that convicted murderer
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Mark Richards, her adventure trying to pretend that he's actually a secret space program
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who's friends with raptor aliens.
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On that last time that we looked into that stuff, it came up that there's a British guy
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making a documentary about how Mark is full of shit.
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After watching the trailer for that documentary, my response was that it looked pretty amazing.
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The story of Mark Richards is absolutely one that deserves more attention.
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It has a true crime angle.
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It has a sci-fi angle.
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It has a love story.
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You know, both with Mark and his wife and with Mark and the raptor princess.
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Yes.
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Who's in space.
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There's a lot of angles.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And we haven't even gotten to Minerva.
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No, that's for the tech nerds, for the hard sci-fi.
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The hard sci-fi.
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The story has it all.
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Really, it does.
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So the idea of someone making a documentary about it, obviously I'm like, fuck yes, let's
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do this.
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I got very excited about the possibility that someone who had the funding to do it and was
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able to interview people involved in the murder that Mark committed, as well as delusional
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defenders like Carrie, I got really excited about that possibility that what we could
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possibly see come from this.
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Yeah.
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My tone was very positive about it.
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And that was based pretty much entirely on the trailer, which showed damning testimony
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against Mark and hilarious moments where Carrie Cassidy tries to convince the filmmaker that
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Mark was off planet when the murder happened and his friends with raptors.
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But the more I thought about it, the more something didn't quite sit right.
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Who was this guy making this documentary?
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I was about to say, there's a very large butt coming and I feel like we're going to find
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out that the guy who makes the documentary is even crazier than Mark Richards.
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Well, I don't know anything about him.
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Is he legit?
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I mean, I realize that, like I said, I know nothing about this guy other than Carrie's
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accusation that he's a dildo salesman engaged in a hatchet job against Mark Richards at
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the behest of the reptilian cabal.
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If she's right on that one, we're in real trouble.
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I don't think so.
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But I realize that's the extent of what I really knew about him.
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And that's not acceptable.
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Yeah.
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If there's anything I tried to do on this podcast, it's to learn as much as I can, especially
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about the things that matter the least.
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I don't know nearly enough about this British guy who's making this documentary about a
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subject that we've covered on our show pretty much since we started doing this show exhaustively.
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So I set out to learn a little bit more about this guy, this guy named Kevin Moore.
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And that's what we're going to be talking about here today.
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Jesus, he convinced three children to murder somebody.
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He's mad at Mark Richards because he took his record away.
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He only convinced one other guy to come on.
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Don't don't don't engage in flippant libel.
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That's a dangerous game.
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Apologies, apologies.
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If you take Kevin at his word, here is his rationale for why he decided to make a documentary
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about Mark Richards.
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This is the first docu-series of its kind looking into frauds in the UFO and alternative
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communities that I represent as well.
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Some of the damage that this does to the communities is not only is it damaging to
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credible researchers, but it's also damaging to people's awakening.
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You know, when when people are trying to explore the idea that, you know, there's a greater
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reality.
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And when it's met with misinformation and disinformation, you know, that's something
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that I can't, you know, I've made it my calling right now or part of my calling to show the
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opposite side of some of these so-called whistleblowers.
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You see, you may seem like you see some indications of red flags, but I think that you're being
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a little bit overly capricious.
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Like you're being a little bit overly judgmental based on what you assume is going to happen.
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Like, well, you you have no reason.
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You have no reason to say it.
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I don't like the word awakening.
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Right.
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Well, but I mean, that could mean a whole bunch of different things.
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Good.
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If you take him at what he's saying, he's saying that there are credible researchers
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in the field and people like Mark Richards, they are a disservice to those people who
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are actively searching because, you know, like I think that there are people who aren't
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crazy, who are into aliens and stuff like that.
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That that absolutely exists in this wide old world.
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So if you take him at like, just boil down what he's saying to that crystalline center.
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Well, I don't know.
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It sounds like a pretty decent motivation for making a documentary.
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So he reiterates it here in this next clip.
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Why did I do it?
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Well, it was it was just to try to give us some context in the stories that are out there
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now.
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There's Mark Richards is one story.
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There are so many other stories.
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How many how much disinformation do you think there is in the field?
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So you get the sense that this is really how he's presenting the motivation that he has
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for embarking on this documentary about Mark Richards actually being a murderer and Gary
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Cassidy and Joanne Richards being just these people who are full of shit and helping him
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a murderer push his story on the masses.
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Right.
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So is this fair?
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Is this complete bullshit?
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Only time will tell.
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And, you know, a couple hours, you'll know you'll have a pretty good idea in a couple
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hours.
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OK, so Kevin Moore has a YouTube channel that's been active since October 19th, 2011, when
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he posted a teaser trailer for his forthcoming show called The Moore Show.
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This is a show that he was trying to sell to people that was vaguely a spiritualist
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talk show on which he would interview writers and actors from the UK, as well as astronomers
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and political activists.
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There's the appearance of this being a pretty normal show, but just with a slight undercurrent
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of New Age stuff.
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Yeah.
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Which I am into, quite frankly.
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No, no, no.
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As far as I'm not going to buy into everything you say, but that's a kind of entertainment
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that I can kind of get into, like non-aggressive New Age nonsense.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Non-threatening.
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Yeah, I can enjoy that for a little while while I'm bored.
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Right.
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As his channel began, that seemed to be the path he was following.
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He had an interview with Stanley Kubrick's grandson, who happens to now be a musician.
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There were a few apparently plain interviews, but this pretty quickly turned into a conspiracy
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New Age theme show.
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It became the clear focus of the show as he started to talk to Freemasons, people who
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called themselves color psychics.
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Um, okay.
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Well, I don't know what that means, but it's something to do with the palette, I guess.
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Sure, sure.
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And then he talked to a bunch of folks who wanted to tell you how imminent UFO disclosure
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was.
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It was right around the corner.
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But all the while, straightforward musical acts would still make appearances, and he
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would have interviews with guests like David Prowse, who played Darth Vader, and Joe Frost
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from the show Supernanny.
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That sounds fun.
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Yeah, so he had some, like, kernel of tethering to like a normal show.
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We're getting a little British Joe Rogan.
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Uh, not nearly as aggro.
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No, yeah, yeah.
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Well, of course not.
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Interestingly, the tenth video he posted back in 2011 was an interview about America's collapsing
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economy, with frequent Alex Jones guest and long-time contributor to the white nationalist
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adjacent publication VDARE, Paul Craig Roberts.
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God damn it.
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Possibly worse, or at least certainly more boring, Kevin also had an interview with Jerome
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Corsi a few years back.
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So you can see that there's not just one point of similarity to the stuff we talk about,
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there's overlap, starting to seep through.
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As time went on, you see a trend towards this new age and spiritualism stuff take complete
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center stage, becoming the primary topic of pretty much all of his videos that he released.
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We're talking about constant interviews of psychics, astrologists, and past life regressionists.
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Kevin landed interviews with the two big names in the field, David Icke, and on January 29,
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2012, he posted an interview with Carrie Cassidy herself.
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I knew it!
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It was mostly a softball interview about how Project Camelot was a portal for whistleblowers,
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and ultimately the content of that interview isn't nearly as interesting as the fact that
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it exists.
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Right.
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So we're not going to listen to any of that, but I will tell you, you can go ahead and
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go find it, it's still on his YouTube channel, and he is in no way critical of her.
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He doesn't push back against her sort of very nonsensical things that she says.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So also, on June 10, 2012, Kevin Moore released an interview with Jim Fetzer.
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He hadn't written it yet, so maybe Kevin shouldn't be judged too harshly about this
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aspect, but in 2015, Fetzer would publish a book called No One Died at Sandy Hook.
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It was a FEMA drill to promote gun control.
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God damn it!
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So Kevin shouldn't be blamed for that, because the book didn't exist at that point.
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Sandy Hook hadn't even happened.
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Right, right, right, right.
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But Kevin probably should be judged pretty harshly for not knowing that Jim Fetzer is
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a literal holocaust denier.
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But I guess that maybe that was an open question as to how public Fetzer was about his Nazi
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sympathy at this point in time.
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Okay, so there's a possibility here that this dude has renounced his previous life and is
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now making this documentary as almost a mea culpa, as a way of saying, I believed all
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this stuff before, and now I'm fighting back.
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I love that you're thinking about ideas, and that anything's possible.
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All I'm saying, though, about Jim Fetzer and him having an interview with that dude,
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like whatever kind of plausible deniability you might have about like a late 2012 interview
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with him, you don't have it anymore.
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You should take that shit the fuck off your YouTube channel.
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Oh yeah, that's a smart idea.
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Because he goes around to give speeches that are holocaust denial in nature.
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Right, right.
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So I would say-
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It's still great content.
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You know, you need content these days.
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It's not great content.
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It's all about content.
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Though it appears that the Moore Show didn't work out as a TV talk show.
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It lived on as a platform where increasingly weird guests would appear and tell Kevin about
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9-11 was fake, or how the color green is magical, that sort of thing.
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And it lives on YouTube now, and I guess as a podcast, although I can't find it on iTunes.
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I have no idea what the distribution strategy of this is.
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So wait, it actually was a TV show for a while.
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It was on Sky 201 in the UK, but I don't know how like widely distributed a channel that
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is.
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I think he had some sort of like satellite channel that he was on.
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I think it's something like FXX, like that kind of thing.
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Entirely possible.
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I guess you can find it.
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But I think from what I could tell, it was pretty short lived in the UK as a late night
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weirdo show.
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So now here we are in the present day in 2019.
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Kevin Moore has rebranded into a voice of skepticism and is making a documentary about
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how Mark Richards is a murderer who defrauded everyone into thinking he's a space captain.
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He puts out frequent vlogs on his YouTube channel that often come off as a bit aggressive
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about how his documentary is going to undo all the damage that Carrie has done.
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Still makes me wonder how people can believe this utter rubbish in our community that Mark
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Richards is a captain even, and that he's in prison for being part of the secret space
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program.
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I mean, it's fucking insane, but there you go.
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It takes a documentary like this and I'm putting it together to sort of bust that and show
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the opposing opinion and it's worth every minute of my time.
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So I would say that, like, you know, Carrie's not really been taking the high road on this
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whole thing, and she's been talking a lot of shit about him on Project Camelot.
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Yeah.
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So I could kind of understand and excuse a little bit of that aggro tone that he has
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in that last clip about like, you know, it's all worth all the work and I'm going to expose
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all this.
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And similarly, this sort of exasperation, this aggro tone that comes through here.
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But he's addressing her and Joanne Richards in this vlog that he released from April 19th,
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2009.
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And Carrie and Joanne, if you're watching this, then guys, this is what you should have
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done in the first place.
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You should have looked into his case, gone to the Civic Center, dug out all the court
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records, gone and interviewed everyone that you could have found that knew Mark Richards,
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and you would have saved yourself so much embarrassment of making this guy your top
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whistleblower.
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But don't worry, I'll do it for you.
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So that, I mean, it's pretty aggressive, but you kind of understand the idea that, you
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know, Carrie's been, like, she's been saying a lot of fucked up stuff about him.
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You said 2009, that was from 2019, right?
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But yes, that was 2019.
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That was 2019.
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Like last week.
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Gotcha.
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Yeah.
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And so honestly, it makes a lot of sense why he'd be exasperated, the way that Carrie's
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responding to him.
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Right.
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She said that, like, really inept, dumb, dumb to, like, look into his past and stuff.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He just wrote that almost incomprehensible write-up about it.
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But still, that's some form of, like, harassment.
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You know, you kind of understand.
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Yeah.
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For us, people completely detached from the reality of all this.
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This is a funny story.
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Carrie's being lied to by a crazy guy in prison who says he hangs out with raptors.
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But for other people, this is real life.
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Richard Baldwin was a real person who was murdered.
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His family lost a loved one that day when Mark and Crossan Hoover killed him.
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Mark and Crossan's families had to deal with the pain of a relative committing a murder
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and have had to Carrie and work through the stigma that comes along with that ever since.
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As Kevin rightly points out in this clip from the introduction to the trailer for his documentary,
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what Carrie and Joanne do has a negative effect on the people most hurt by Mark's crime.
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You know, I've met the only sole surviving member of the family, Susan Baldwin,
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who was devastated to know that Carrie and Jo are giving Mark the platform that they are
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for him to spew his misinformation.
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That makes sense.
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Yeah.
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After hearing something like that, you know it would be really funny.
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It'd be kind of hilarious if, I don't know, it turned out that on March 28th,
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2015, Kevin Moore gave Joanne Richards a platform on his show to spread misinformation
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about the secret space program and her heroic husband, Captain Mark Richards.
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Now, I should be clear, I'm not calling him Captain Mark Richards.
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That's how Kevin Moore credits him.
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God damn it.
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In the video that he put out, it's labeled Captain Mark Richards.
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And that's even in the description of the video, Captain Mark Richards,
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which you heard him disparagingly say the idea of these fucking idiots think he's a
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captain. He credited Mark Richards as a captain when he interviewed Joanne back in 2015.
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Of course.
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Now, a clip you played a little bit ago, he said, I don't know how these idiots in our
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community, and that was a big red flag for me there.
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Hold on to those thoughts.
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Oh, boy, this is like, how can you believe raptors exist because their reptoids are the
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ones causing his problems?
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Well, you could just take the, in our community thing, he does a show.
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As a general.
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He does a show where he talks to new age and spiritualist people.
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So he's in that community.
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Right.
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But hold on to that thought.
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Oh, okay.
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So Kevin Moore is now working on a documentary about how Mark Richards is a murderer and
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people shouldn't be treating him like a legitimate source of information.
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So I feel like maybe it's in our best interests to check in and see just how well he handled
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himself when he had the chance to either push back or accept the bullshit that Mark's wife
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was telling him when she was a guest on his show.
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I think you could probably already guess that if he did a good job, this episode wouldn't
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be happening.
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Yeah, that's most likely.
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So strap it in and let's enjoy Kevin Moore being a complete fucking idiot while Joanne
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Richards lies to him about her murderer husband's space adventures.
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This is pathetic.
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So here in this first clip, Kevin introduces Joanne as his guest for this episode.
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Now, Joanne Richards is the wife of Navy Captain Mark Richards, who claims he was an officer
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involved in the Dolce battle, as well as very active in the secret space program and U.S.
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Space Command.
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So right out of the gate, I'm going to give him a tiny bit of credit for saying he claims
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to be.
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Yeah, yeah, that was good.
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Sure.
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Maybe this is just him like giving her the benefit of the doubt, you know?
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I mean, that's the beginnings of, you know, yeah, I mean, it quickly falls apart in terms
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of his interview style.
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Yeah, in this this next clip, Kevin wanted to start the interview that he had with Joanne
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talking about the actual murder.
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Yeah, because I mean, it's kind of the elephant in the room.
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Yeah, you want to talk about it.
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You want to touch on the murder part.
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Now, when you have somebody who may or may not be married to a murderer who's lying about
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being a murderer.
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Right.
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And they have a vested interest in being like he's not a murderer.
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Yeah.
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Generally, what you want to do when you ask about the murder is ask an open question.
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OK.
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OK, don't presume that he is or isn't a murderer in the question, because that is doing the
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work of the liar for them.
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Yeah.
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When you are actually trying to elicit some sort of truth, don't establish the truth of
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the answer in advance.
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Excuse me.
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Um, did yes or no question.
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Did he kill that guy?
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This is a very strong indication that Kevin is either the worst person at his job or he's
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actively participating in what Joanne wants to do here on this episode.
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Tell me a bit about the background to the story very briefly of the murder that he was
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convicted for, because I believe as well that when the murder happened, he wasn't even he
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was away on a mission.
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Oh, that's not good.
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I believe so.
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Oh, that's really not good.
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He in the question.
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Did he just say that?
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He in the question establishes that Mark was off planet.
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Now, all Joanne has to do is say, yes, I agree with that.
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Of course.
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As opposed to putting it on her to introduce the idea that he was off planet.
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He has done the heavy lifting for her.
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This is a collaborative interview where Mark Richards didn't commit that murder is the
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goal or is the end result that the audience is being walked towards.
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Whether there's a goal or not, or you're just blindly stumbling through this fucking interview.
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Yeah, I would give him I would say he's really bad at his job because maybe what he meant
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to say was, I believe your story is that he wasn't even off planet.
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Maybe that was just a slip of the tongue.
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I mean, he just missed those words.
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I think when you're talking about stuff like this, you should be a little more careful.
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Yeah, probably, probably.
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Especially when a couple of years later, you take the harsh turn that you do against this
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very person who you're interviewing on your show and tacitly and not implicitly agreeing
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with.
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All right, so we both know the murder happened and he wasn't around for it.
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So tell me more about that.
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Exactly.
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So now that the premise is established, Kevin is completely open to the idea that he was
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off the planet during the murder that allows Joanne to spin whatever narrative she wants
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about the murder.
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And so what she does is get into a little bit of lackadaisical libel about a murder
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victim.
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So now then to go to the murder, in 1982, a murder happened here of a friend of his,
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who one of his cover businesses for doing his military stuff was remodeling people's
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houses or whatever.
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So he was doing a remodeling project at a friend's house.
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And the guy also had a business restoring antique cars.
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What my husband didn't know at the time was that the guy was also filming child pornography
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in his house and he was a drug dealer.
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So, um, bad dude.
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And then alleged, well, then these kids that worked for my husband, because my husband
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had a generous heart and had a habit of hiring basically juvenile delinquents and these
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kids killed the guy.
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And when they started getting in trouble or whatever, they just said, my husband, masterminded
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the whole thing.
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So without any evidence, he allows Joanne Richards to assert that the person who her
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husband was responsible for murdering was a child pornographer.
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And, but you know, kind of deserved it.
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He was a bad guy.
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He's a bad dude.
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Yeah.
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And it wasn't even Mark that did it.
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These kids, Mark is a great guy.
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He hired these juvenile delinquents.
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And because he's such a good guy and gave them so many chances, he introduced murder
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into his life.
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But it's not really that big a deal because the dude was a child pornographer anyway.
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Also, also he had such a generous heart.
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He hired child delinquents and we all know that they commit murders all the time.
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So it was probably just them.
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They were delinquents.
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He allows Joanne to say that, which is not backed up by any proof.
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There is no proof that, that, I mean, that's, that's, that's slander that she's committing
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against this guy.
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Yep.
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Um, who is dead now.
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Um, and Kevin doesn't ask any followup questions.
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He doesn't say, hold on child pornography.
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Now, did you, did you see any child pornography?
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Is there anything in any of these police reports or is this just something that your
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liar husband is saying?
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So you're just saying that he was a child pornographer.
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No, not, not just that.
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He was filming child pornography.
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Right.
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He's a producer of it.
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Okay, great.
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So she's saying that about Baldwin, Richard Baldwin.
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Yeah.
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And at the same time, Kevin isn't asking any followup questions.
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So it's allowed to exist as part of the corpus of information that's being presented to
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his listeners, which makes me remember this clip from just a little bit ago.
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You know, I've met, uh, the only sole surviving member of the family, uh, Susan
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Baldwin, who was devastated to know that Kerry and Joe, uh, are giving Mark, uh, the
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platform that they are.
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Okay.
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Ugh.
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Wonder, wonder if you discussed your own behavior in that meeting that you had.
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I doubt it.
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Wonder if you've made peace with, uh, with that.
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So, uh, in this next clip, uh, he just allows Joanne to lie even more about it.
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And this is one of the examples of something that like any decent interviewer would
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just be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
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Yeah, they changed the date of death of the victim three times to make sure it was a
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time when Mark was in town.
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What?
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Okay. Um, can you, can you back that up in literally any way?
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What can they do that date of his death three times because Mark kept having
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alibis.
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So did they have to bring him back to life?
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This is so stupid.
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Like if you read the transcript of the interview and Mark got arrested, like they
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didn't need to adjust any alibis.
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He had none.
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Yeah.
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He was eating a sandwich with his parents or something like that.
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What are these backup alibis?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Bullshit.
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Yeah. Backup alibis are never a good sign anyways.
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No, absolutely not.
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So in this next clip, uh, Carrie discusses the, Carrie, Joanne slip of the tongue.
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Yeah.
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Joanne in this next clip discusses the idea that Mark was off planet on a mission
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whenever this murder happened.
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Now, if you pay close attention to the way she's talking, you might get the sense that
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Mark didn't even say that and a good interviewer might ask a followup question
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about like, what are you talking about?
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Okay, so now she's spinning bullshit on top of bullshit.
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Who knows?
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That could be.
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He has alibis for the other days and he might even have an alibi for the day he was
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off on a mission, but he now at least implies or will say, I probably wasn't there.
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That's not good.
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Probably was, but she also said he'll imply, he'll imply that he probably wasn't there.
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Probably wasn't there.
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That's when an interviewer worth their salt would be like, okay, you, I gotta go.
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Okay.
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So is there any reason why he would have to imply it as opposed to specifically stating
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that he was not there?
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Well, someone might be listening.
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Yeah.
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Hold on.
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The clip goes on.
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You know, and I know he is trying to tell me I was off doing something else, you know,
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and I can go do that within an eight hour span.
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It's like, oh really?
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Okay.
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He can't and won't tell me where he is or where he was or what he was doing or how he
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got there, but I firmly believe he was not in town the day that that murder happened.
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Let, let's, let's go.
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Let, let's now just briefly summarize some of the most amazing things that Mark has told
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you.
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Why?
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So you understand that that is not a follow-up question.
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That is, hey, what cool stuff has he said?
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Okay.
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Cause it's not saying what are the, what are the amazing things he's told you?
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Like what are the, set me up for a T-ball here.
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Yeah.
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Like set me up for something I can spike.
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Like what crazy stuff has he told you?
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Is Hannity interviewing Trump right now?
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Is that what's going on?
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So every idea you've had is great and everything you've told me is true.
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So let's summarize what it is he's also got to say.
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Right.
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I mean, she, she said in that clip, basically it just comes down to I've chosen to believe
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that he didn't do this.
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And he can't tell me where he was or what he was up to or how he got anywhere, which
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I would argue just speaking as myself is the very definition of not having an alibi.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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But he's implied that he wasn't there.
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So I believe that.
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And then the Kevin, as the interview is just like, oh yeah, let's hear about space.
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Cool.
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That's cool.
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That's awful.
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You sound great.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's a pathetic level of, uh, of interviewing of like,
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that's a pathetic level of base conversation.
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Yeah.
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That's not even a, I don't disagree.
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That's not a 10 a 10.
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That's not an exchange of ideas at all.
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It's very bad.
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Yeah.
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But he does ask one good question in this next clip.
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And that is he's trying to get to the core of like, why is he coming out with this information
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now?
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He's been in prison for quite a while.
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What's the, why is he, uh, and, and, uh, money for appeal.
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Well, Joanne kind of, uh, accidentally reveals that like, I mean, it's what we've talked
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about forever.
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He's bored.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Why now?
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Because, uh, he thought maybe the first 10 years of prison, there was still a chance
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of him getting out through legal channels.
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He exhausted pretty much all his legal remedies.
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And after 10, 15 years of prison, he was pretty tired of prison.
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And so he decided, well, I'm just going to start writing this stuff and I'm just going
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to start, you know, sharing some of this information that can be leaked out there because number
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one, people will think he's crazy.
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So they won't believe him anyway.
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And who's this little wife of his, you know, she must be crazy if she believes him.
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Fair enough.
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I mean, that's, that, that's just like the exact version of the story you'd expect from
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her, but with like, you know, the, the part of the truth piece of like Hughes board in
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prison.
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So he started writing shit.
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Yeah.
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It's just, we look at it as he's like writing fantasy novels and she's like, no, it's all
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real.
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Yeah, that is very much, uh, well, he's a gloss, he's exhausted all of his legal channels.
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So he's kind of made peace with, he's going to be there forever.
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He's going to be there forever and he realizes that without that hope propelling him, uh,
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his days are real long, real long.
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The days are real long when you have no hope.
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Yeah.
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I don't think that that's an offensive thing that she's expressing.
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Um, but there's just, there's no pushback at all.
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Be like, are you sure that he's not just writing, uh, like Tolkien, uh, sci-fi here, uh, fantasy
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books?
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Have you considered that he's, uh, he's fucking with you?
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And, uh, you are also exploiting him for a cottage industry income.
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That might be rude.
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Yeah, that might be rude.
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As an interviewer, that might be a bit brusque.
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I'm just saying it's a, it's a, it is an open air question.
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I think a better question would be, are you, are you sure that, have you, have you seen
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somebody that might be rude too?
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So, uh, Joanne starts going off about how, like, uh, all these countries work together
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and aliens work together with all of our countries because there's the appearance of tension,
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but really behind the scenes, everyone's working together like they did in the cold war.
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People were all working together behind the scenes, but they couldn't appear to be because
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of the cold war.
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And I, this is, I mean, it's a nonsensical idea, but this clip is important because listen
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to how Kevin is responding to her ideas.
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There's a collaborative aspect to this.
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He agrees with her and builds on points that she's making.
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And when we were having the cold war, most of these countries were actually working together
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when there was a common threat, even though they couldn't publicly say that, but you had
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this agency that worked together and pulled in people from many different countries and
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different militaries working together against a common threat.
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So, you know, they're all working together, but they all have to keep it secret.
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They all have to keep it secret because they don't think the whole, the world in general
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can handle the truth.
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No, no, absolutely not.
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And they still don't think so.
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No, absolutely not.
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And we'll, we'll get into some, some of the reasons why as well.
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Because I think, I think, you know, Mark sort of answers that in, in, in, in, in, in the
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story.
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So that's, that's endorsing.
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Like Mark's information explains why countries can't appear to get along, but actually are
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secretly working together.
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And also he agrees with her in that we cannot handle the truth.
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No, no, certainly not.
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No, no, no.
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Yeah.
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Was there a code red?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Oh, so in this next clip, uh, uh, quick question is her only source, uh, as far as what she's
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talking about, uh, Richard's or I bet that she's talked to some other weirdos since,
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you know, but I, I, I'm going to bet literally everything I own that if any of them contradict
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Mark, then they're out.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Okay.
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But I bet she talks to like Simon Parks.
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I bet that she gets some information from Carrie as well.
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Okay.
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I'm sure there's some sort of brainstorming that goes on, uh, in their community or whatever.
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Right.
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So, uh, in this next clip, uh, this is fun because, uh, Joanne discusses how back in
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the day, we didn't have a lot of MIBs.
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We didn't have a lot of men in black.
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Uh huh.
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Right.
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Right.
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So people like Mark, Richard's dad, the Dutchman, uh, he was just a man of means, uh, which
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he wasn't.
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Uh, but he, he's being presented as a man of means, you know, a rich guy of leisure.
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Yeah.
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So because if I recall correctly, they were hanging out with Winston Churchill when, uh,
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when captain Mark Richard was eight years old or whatever.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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That might come up in this interview at some point.
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I might not have cut out clips of it because it's weirdly too boring for me, but yeah.
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So he was really rich and really smart and really cool.
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And so he took on the role of being a man in black because like he wanted to help humanity.
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Well, of course I wanted to help the country, but he was working alongside someone else
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that we've heard of before.
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It is comical to hear of in this context.
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You know, we didn't have a lot of men in black or whatever.
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So you had rich young men or young rich men who wanted to help the government.
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So like Barry Goldwater and actors and people who weren't even politics yet, but just, you
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know, they had time on their hands and they wanted to help.
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So there was a lot of, you know, there was that interesting stuff going on under, you
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know, nobody knew about this.
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So Mark, dad was doing stuff as a teenager and after the war, he was involved with investigating
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and dealing with alien activity and UFO sightings.
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With Barry Goldwater, Barry Goldwater.
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I think he was too busy making antsy pants at the time.
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I mean, was Goldwater framed as well for this action?
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That has to be the case.
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Totally.
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Okay.
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Goldwater is fucking crazy and he was super rich.
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So like at least those details kind of make this a fun version, a fake version of history.
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Yeah.
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But Barry Goldwater was not a man in black.
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You know what?
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I think though, if you asked him now point blank, like, Hey, were you, yeah, he's dead.
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But like, Hey, were you a man in black with Captain Mark Richards?
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And be like, yeah, sure.
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That sounds fun.
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I'm not doing anything.
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You bet I was.
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I am not busy.
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This next clip, I think is probably where this interview is the most irresponsible.
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Not in terms of like the content, stuff like that.
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Because I think allowing Joanne to say that this murder victim, Richard Baldwin was a
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child pornographer without any evidence.
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I think that's the most deeply irresponsible thing that you could do if you're covering
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this story.
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Yeah.
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But this next clip, just from an interviewer standpoint, this is where it's like, you're
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not even trying.
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He went to Vietnam as a Lieutenant in the army.
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Before that, he went to an interstellar treaty conference, but we can come back to that.
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So he was doing secret stuff, you know, early on.
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He went into Vietnam as a Lieutenant, came out a captain in the army and then moved sideways
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and became a captain in the Navy.
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So his current rank is Navy captain.
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So here's the thing.
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Can you do that?
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There's some problems with this story.
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You can't just jump from army to Navy and stay captain.
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Well, let's talk about it.
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There's some problems here with the story that Joanne's telling Kevin about her husband's
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alleged military service that he really should be asking follow up questions about in the
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instinct that you just expressed.
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The fact that he's not indicates to me that he's actively participating in letting her
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spread dubious bullshit on his show, and he really doesn't care to push back on it at
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all.
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The most glaring problem with what Joanne is saying is that Mark became a captain in
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the army, then, quote, moved sideways and became a captain in the Navy.
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Ooh, is that an upward...
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Oh, that's probably an upward move.
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That's not a lateral move.
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Well, it is true that a captain is a rank in both branches of the armed services.
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Only someone who doesn't know anything about the services would think that going from army
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captain to Navy captain is moving sideways or is a lateral move.
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In the army, captain is a 03 position achieved after reaching the ranks of second lieutenant
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and first lieutenant.
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In the Navy, captain is an 06 position after ensign, lieutenant junior grade, lieutenant,
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lieutenant commander, and commander.
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Moving sideways from the position of army captain would lead to someone being a Navy
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lieutenant.
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To go from army captain to Navy captain, one would need to be promoted three times along
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the way, which is a pretty sizable jump.
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The second problem is that she's just saying that he switched branches of enlistment, as
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if that's something you could just do on a whim.
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While it is possible to switch branches, it's not a very common thing, and the process is
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really pretty complicated.
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There's a saying that I ran into a few times while looking into this that goes like this.
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It's easier to join the military from the street than from the fleet, which is to express
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that inner branch switches are not very common.
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What you have to consider is that the Navy is not just the army but with boats.
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The different branches of service have different cultures, different missions, and different
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training that recruits go through.
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Someone who reaches 03 in the army most likely has a very different set of skills than someone
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who reaches 03 in the Navy, and there's no real guarantee that those skills are going
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to be transferable.
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This isn't to say that it's never done, but it's pretty rare, and when it does happen,
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it never comes with an arbitrary three-rank promotion, just so you get to keep the same
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literal title captain.
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All right, Captain Richards, we're happy to interview you.
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We'd love to have you in the Navy.
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Can you just give me a list of skills that you feel like would...
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Okay, you can run very fast.
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I talk to raptors.
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Okay, that one might help.
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The story that Joanne is telling indicates a lack of awareness of how the military works,
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a lack of awareness that captain isn't the same rank in the army and the Navy, and a
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lack of awareness that there's literally no proof that Mark was even ever in the army
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or in Vietnam.
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Right.
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Military records do exist that show that Mark's dad, Ellis, or the Dutchman, joined the Air
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Force in 1942.
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Military records also show that he was involved in four plane crashes during his enlistment
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between 1943 and 1952.
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I'll read to you from the report about his 1952 crash.
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Bad pilot.
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Boo.
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Quote, the wings were shed on initial impact with the dike.
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The canopy exploded off, but not by the pilot, and the tail section broke off at the turbine
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wheel section.
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The cockpit section remained intact very well.
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The pilot's head was dragged along the ground, inflicting many deep cuts and a brain concussion,
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also breaking his neck.
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This plane crash led to Ellis leaving the service and to him being partially paralyzed.
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Newspaper articles about Mark's arrest and trial include quotes from Ellis, and they
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all mention that he was disabled, which makes it very unlikely that he was going on space
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battles after 1952 or that he was fighting in the Dulce Base battle years later, as Mark
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has said.
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Ellis died before Joanne ever met Mark, so all she really knows about him is what he's
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told her.
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That's true.
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So she can believe all this bullshit about Dulce Base battles with aliens when his dad
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was partially paralyzed.
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Right.
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Well, I mean, that can be faked, though.
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Like remember when Willy Walker came out at the beginning and he was walking on his cane
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and then he did a somersault?
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That's Ellis.
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That's the Dutchman.
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All right.
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It's not.
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It's not.
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He was in a bad plane crash.
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It does sound like he was in a bad plane crash.
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Mark is almost certainly making up his military service.
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He claims that he served in Vietnam, but Saigon fell in April 1975, and Mark graduated from
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Dominican College with a history degree in 1976.
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He was born in 1953, so being 22 or 23 at the time of graduating from an undergraduate
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program is right on schedule.
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And in 1973, he was arrested for insurance fraud.
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And though the charges were eventually dropped, it's pretty strong proof that he wasn't in
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Vietnam at the time.
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There's literally no proof that Mark was ever enlisted.
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No documentation, no pictures of him in uniform, no medals or stripes, short of some sort of
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a bombshell that they're just not showing anybody for some reason.
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It's pretty easy to see that this is a case of stolen valor on Mark's part, and a decent
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interviewer would have sniffed out that possibility.
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The second Joanne said that Mark moved sideways from army captain to navy captain.
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It's an absurd statement, and Kevin doesn't bat an eyelash.
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He doesn't ask a follow-up question because he's an active participant in platforming
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this bullshit.
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Yeah.
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Well, Dan, now that you've established that he was in fact both a captain in the army
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and the navy, we can just move on, right?
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Please give a summary of the rest of the episode.
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What other amazing things...
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So I'm contending that he's an active participant in this.
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And this next clip, I think, kind of reinforces that as he tells people to go listen to other
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interviews Mark has done.
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And even like Carrie Cassidy, she's been there twice now, and just anybody who goes to visit
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him, I don't want to say, I try not to put him on a pedestal, but you're just in awe
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of the wealth of information that he knows on so many levels.
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It's fast, it's great.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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And yeah, I would agree with you there because I saw her reaction when she came out of the
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prison.
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So...
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Wait, he saw her?
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And I would advise anyone to watch the Carrie Cassidy interviews as well, because they
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are very, very interesting, and like you say, the first-hand journalist to meet him as well.
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So I mean, he's advocating and saying everyone should go listen to Carrie's interviews with
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Mark Richards.
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And what you responded to, there's video outside of Vacaville, the first time that Carrie and
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Joanne...
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Gotcha.
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Or the first time Joanne brought Carrie.
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She thought that you'd be able to video record stuff, so she was videotaping herself in the
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car and then had to turn off the camera.
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And then turn it back on whenever they got in the car.
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So you saw her face.
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Gotcha.
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So he's obviously watched these interviews.
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Right.
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Right, right.
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So he knows the kind of bullshit that's in them.
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Yeah.
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The second you hear any of that, if you're not actively interested in trying to get a
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piece of it or something, then obviously you'd be like, look at this asshole.
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Yeah.
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Oh, man.
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Right.
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Oh, boy.
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What's going on here?
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There's something.
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Oh, there is.
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There's something.
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Oh, there's something.
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You're goddamn it.
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You're holding back a goddamn hammer.
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Killing me.
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As I said earlier in this interview, Joanne said that Mark went to an alien conference.
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Well, yeah.
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An interstellar conference.
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And so what that is all about is there's a bunch of alien races, right, that are coming
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here and they're going to decide whether we get to go to space.
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Right.
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They're going to decide.
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In the meantime, they're taking our jobs.
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Sure.
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And they're taking our people for experimentation.
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Of course.
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But Eisenhower allowed them to or something.
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So he goes to this conference in the UK and he meets some alien children and he makes
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great friends with them.
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But it turns out that it could have gone incredibly poorly.
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So it was fascinating.
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So Mark is there and his father in 1952 met a raptor, which is a reptilian that was originated
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here on Earth.
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Right.
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Right.
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1952 is the year that Alice was in that terrible, paralyzing plane crash.
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That was the raptor.
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Alex.
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Mark might be trying to recapture something here.
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Yeah.
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It looks like I mean, they evolved from dinosaurs.
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So here's this tall, tall guy with a long tail, a long snout, lots of big, sharp teeth
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and very sharp claws.
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And they became friends in 1952 when Prince Naga came as an ambassador.
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And you move forward almost 10 years and Naga is at this conference with two of his children,
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Princess Lincoln and Prince Crag.
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Are we still doing this?
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Mark gets to meet the raptors for the first time.
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He thought it was the first time.
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And he becomes really good friends with Princess Lincoln and Prince Crag and they were several
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years older.
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He was six or seven or seven going on eight that summer.
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And they were probably, you know, they were several years older, like human years, but
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they just became great friends.
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And Mark's English friend Titania was with him.
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And the humans that were there decided they wanted to have this little experiment and
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see, well, how are the human children going to react and get along with the alien children?
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Fortunately, the raptors didn't eat them.
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So that was cool.
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That is nice.
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That is cool.
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That is cool.
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That is a real cool thing that happened.
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The parents thought that it was a possibility that these raptors were going to eat the children
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and then just decided, let's see what happens.
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, hey, you win some, you lose some.
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That bark was almost bait.
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He was almost eaten.
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Yeah.
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And that's a legitimate part.
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And she's just, she's just rolling over that with a, well, that's cool.
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I saw, I was watching your reactions and you got real fucking like shrugging and like,
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what the fuck has she been talking about when she said they're a couple of years old in
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human years.
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Yeah.
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I actually think that's the most important distinction.
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You were rolling your eyes at that.
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I'm glad you clarified because I was going to ask like, how do they, they're on different
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planets.
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How does age work?
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Okay.
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It's actually the most pressing question.
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Well years.
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Yeah.
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Well, if we're measuring years by our earth rotations around the sun, they were, they
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were, they were, they were going to eat him probably, but he wasn't made of chocolate
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and he was a little bit older than them after all.
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I think my, uh, my favorite objection here is, um, do you think Mark is real mad that
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people know his name is Mark because look at the names of all of these people that he
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he's thrown into all of his stories are all fun names.
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Mark the whole time is like, I want to change my name to titanium.
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And as we know, one of the main characters from his book, the best name ever.
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One of the things that I think is super important to recognize here is that he doesn't ask any
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fucking followups after that nonsense.
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The idea that, uh, that Joanne is presenting this idea that Mark as a child went to a conference
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in the UK where he made friends with Raptor babies who might've eaten him, uh, because
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his dad up in the air had made friends with Raptor royalty a few years prior.
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And he's just like, okay, that can't be, that can't be okay.
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It's not, it's not a good interview.
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All right.
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What was the conference about?
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No, she doesn't, she does just talk about that.
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She's already established.
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It was about like whether or not humans could go to space and, uh, rules for humans in the
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universe.
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Right.
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So what I don't understand if that is what the conference is about is why there's the
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possibility of being eaten by Raptors.
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Raptors will always possibly.
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There's always, there's always that if Raptors are in play, you might get eaten.
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I'm just, I'm just saying that if you go to a UN conference on anything, there shouldn't
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be a chance of being eaten or killed by anyone there.
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That's because it's, there's no Raptors on the UN.
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If there were Raptors on the UN, it would be fucking dicey every time there was a security
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council meeting.
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So what is it?
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A 50 50 shot?
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You wouldn't want to take that.
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I wouldn't want to take that.
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The appointment to that, that office.
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No way.
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I gotta be in a closed room with a Raptor.
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All right guys, we're going to have some breakout sessions right now.
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Uh, Terrence, you're going to be with the Raptors today.
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Sorry about that.
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I'm going to be with the princess linka, um, cool, cool.
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Um, so we learned, you know, there's Raptors, of course we already know that, um, but at
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this point, uh, Joanne gets into a couple of the other races of aliens that Mark knows
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and here, uh, you know, you know, I'm a cat guy, so I'm excited to learn about the cat
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aliens.
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Oh, we got some cabbies.
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And it turns out that I could probably hang with these cat aliens.
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Yeah.
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There's a cat species and they're basically scientists and artists and archeologists.
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You know, the, the one he talks about the most, she's a Contessa.
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She comes here to the planet, the bear, logical digs, because she's trying to discover evidence
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of when and where her species has been when they visited her.
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So I Egyptologist, what are you guys talking about with bass to do to, I know her, I, first
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of all, feline Contessa might be a new rank above Raptor princess and feline Contessa.
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That's pretty great.
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That's pretty great.
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The other thing is like, I hear that and I can't, I can't not hear it as Mark, like just
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thinking about litter boxes, like cats like to dig.
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So they're archeologists.
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See, now I, I heard all I hear.
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I heard it as cat as a, his veiled sexism there as, because those are the jobs that
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he considers to be more feminine.
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Maybe nature.
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It's possible.
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And then also Egypt, like the association of cats in Egypt.
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I think it could be all of these things, but frankly, whatever it is, it's dumb.
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It's not mock.
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Oh, shark rampant.
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That's for sure.
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So we got, we had cat aliens and I'm thrilled with them.
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I'd like to go on a dig with them sometime.
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I was, they seem cool for one semester in college, I thought I was going to be a archeology
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major.
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So I could swing with these contests.
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Uh, but in this next clip we find out about dog aliens and my suspicion that I do not
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trust dogs is a hold on.
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I just need to know, I'm sorry, I got stuck.
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So is every other alien species of a feudal structure, like she's a Contessa, like there's
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no, it's hard to say nobody's, nobody's just like a dude, you know, like everybody's everybody's
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a, I think it's because Mark likes that kind of fiction like he's into like the arterial
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legends and stuff like that.
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So I think that's where his brain is.
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Uh, but dude, let's get into dogs.
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I do not like dogs.
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I mean, no, I don't hate them, but I'd always rather be around cats and dogs.
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There's just something I don't trust about them.
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And it turns out based on what Joanne has to say, you were right.
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Always all along.
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There's a dog species that has a huge base here that they're basic, their whole existence,
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I mean, they're merchants, they're businessmen.
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They'd love to work with humans just as a matter of, you know, being capitalistic.
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Dog aliens are capitalists.
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They are interstellar merchants.
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Oh, of course, of course.
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I should have seen that one coming.
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Space capitalism.
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And even as aliens, they still love to be around humans, Dan.
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That is true across all aspects of the universe.
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Dogs love to be around people.
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Right.
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But it's all because of capitalism.
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Yeah.
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Why?
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Where's the dog species?
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Where are these guys coming from?
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I don't fucking know.
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Is there a dog star?
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Yeah.
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There's a dog star.
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There is a dog star.
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That's where they're from.
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Who gives a shit?
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I'm sorry.
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I thought, well, do we, are we going to get some, uh, Mostef and Talib Kweli from the
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Black Star?
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, that sounds good.
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So we've got cat aliens and they're intellectual and great.
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And I love them.
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Yeah.
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Now you got dog aliens and they're always looking for a buck.
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Crass merchants, crash traders, traveling from system to system, selling their wares.
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Nonsense.
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So in this next clip, uh, Joanne, uh, sort of is selling the idea that, uh, pretty much
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all natural disasters are just cover ups, uh, for mass alien abductions.
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Oh, okay.
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Now let's see how Kevin responds to that sort of a absurd notion being said to his fucking
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face.
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And so a lot of times a natural disasters will happen because there's either about to
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be, or there's just been a major culling of humans and they just have kidnapped thousands
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of people and are planning to take them off planet for very negative reasons.
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It's usually not because, uh, they want you to be their best friend and go to school with
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their kids.
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Right.
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So that's, that's the negative side about it.
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And if people talk about, well, it's just, you know, it's, it's not, it can't, it's not
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positive.
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It's like, well, yeah, whoa, well, you look at some of these planes that just disappear
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out of the sky and you think, well, there's no trace of evidence where they've gone.
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Who's took them?
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Who's take them?
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Who's took them?
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Oh boy.
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So she's saying that natural disasters are cover for mass alien abductions and his response
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to that is, you know what?
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It's weird.
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The planes disappear too.
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Yeah.
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That's probably the same thing.
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All of those planes that just disappear.
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I get it.
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I get it.
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We're, we're all talking about the Malaysian plane.
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It's 2015.
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I gotcha.
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But come on dude.
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It's not like there's a ton of planes that just disappear.
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That's not, what are we, what are we talking about?
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Amelia Earhart.
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So that's bad.
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Yeah.
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I mean that interpretation that Joanne is making is bad.
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The fact that he doesn't push back in any way is bad.
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Right.
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The fact that he yes ands it by talking about missing planes is really bad.
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Also I think she's against forced busing.
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I think that might be part of it too.
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Could be.
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Yeah.
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You know what else she's against?
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Terrorism.
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Oh.
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But it turns out.
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Who's the terrorist?
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Well, it turns out they're all working with aliens.
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Oh.
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And they also work with terrorist groups.
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Which ones?
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For example, when you hear of a terrorist activity maybe at a shopping mall or maybe
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in a Middle Eastern country, for example, it's not always just the human terrorists
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that are at fault.
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They're often working with alien, negative alien bad guys.
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I think you can call them terrorists too, right?
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Yeah.
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There you are.
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Well, yeah.
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There you are.
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Well, yeah.
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Well, yeah.
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Of course.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah.
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So he closes out the interview here by saying, like, we haven't barely even talked about
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the important stuff.
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I want to have you back on.
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No.
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Yeah.
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He ends the interview.
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Come on.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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He ends with, like, a you've got to come back on.
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Jesus.
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And then listen to the plugs.
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I mean, I know we've barely touched.
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We haven't covered Dolce.
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We haven't covered barely anything.
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So what I'm going to do is I'm going to get you back on on a future show.
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I mean, again, I would I would recommend people to and we'll put links on there for the Kerry
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Cassidy interviews as well, because, you know, she goes a lot more into depth into this amazing
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story.
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If you could go on my website and will you put up the link for that at EDHCA.org for
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Earth Defense headquarters.
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If you go on my website and click on products, I have descriptions of all the different reports
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that I tell that he's written about his different missions and adventures and I mean, they sound
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like adventure, but they're true military missions and some are on planet and some are
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off planet.
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So whatever you want, you can get.
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So.
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Yep.
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Don't worry about that.
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Your website has been been coming up on the screen all the way through through this interview.
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So great.
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Thank you so much.
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Oh, no, no.
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That's the least the least we can do.
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It's the least he could do.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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You obsequious prick.
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What?
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So this is all that we really need to listen to hear from that interview without just playing
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the entire thing.
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But you get the taste.
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Yeah.
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This is an interview where Kevin Moore does literally nothing to push back against any
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of the things that Joanne Richards is telling him.
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He believes her.
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He doubles down on her narratives and is not in any way exercising skepticism or looking
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for evidence for anything.
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He even establishes that Mark was away on a mission when Richard Baldwin's murder happened.
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Joanne didn't even have to say that as an answer to an open question.
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Kevin established it for her.
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Something like that makes Kevin's claims of caring so much about how Baldwin's sister
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was appalled at Kerry and Joanne, giving Mark's ideas a platform.
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It seems very fucking hollow.
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So I just here's the thing.
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The more I look at Kevin Moore's videos about his documentary that he's making, the more
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I think he's a fucking asshole.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you look at the past, you look at this stuff, the fact that he's actively engaged
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in spreading these stories before, and then now he's like, how dare you spread these stories?
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That's a little bit rough.
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I assume that he's giving full disclosures while he's talking about this documentary
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that, hey, I used to believe in.
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I haven't heard a word of that.
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No.
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I'm not saying that it isn't in any of those videos, but he has far too many for me to
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watch all of them.
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Gotcha.
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Although I have watched a lot.
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Okay.
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So is he, is he getting, is he self-funding?
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Is this GoFundMe?
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How are we?
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Well, we might learn a little bit about that.
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But before we get to that, I want to tell you, I think he's an asshole.
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And one of the reasons is things like this, this clip that he's put out in one of these
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vlogs where he seems to be saying that part of his research that he's doing for this documentary
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is digging into the validity of Mark and Joanne's marriage.
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Now Project Avalon have done me a massive favor as well.
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They've also posted stuff that Joanne wanted posting on there.
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And what Joanne's posted is that she is actually married to Mark.
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That was one of my concerns with Joanne Richards.
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And yes, I did contact Montgomery clerk office and yes, you are married to Mark Richards
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and yes, I've ordered the marriage certificate and we'll put that in the documentary.
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Joanne, in which name did you marry Mark?
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Did you use your childhood name or felt, or did you use a different name like Farsit when
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you got married and you've maybe been up to no good when you actually married him, you've
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used the wrong names.
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We're checking all that out.
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If you want to reply on Avalon, you can do, I will make my own checks as well, cause I'm
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going to go down to Alameda where you had your previous marriage and the divorce certificate
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should be there as well.
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So we hope, right?
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More info on Joanne Richards coming soon, the wife of the amazing secret space captain
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Mark Richards.
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Doesn't that seem ass-hole-ish?
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Yeah.
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Seems pretty ass-hole-ish.
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Why are you doing that?
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Unless she's like a noted con woman with multiple, like if she's a bigamist, I guess is his point.
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That documentary is about something else then.
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Yeah, that's true.
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It's not about Mark Richards and his murder.
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No.
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The other thing that's important to remember is that Joanne, by her own admission, has
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quote, been married and divorced several times because she quote, had some pretty awful marriages.
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Getting married and divorced frequently can lead to some nominal confusion, especially
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to external observers and it seems like Kevin's trying to take that and make it seem suspicious,
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but ultimately it just feels petty and vindictive.
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Yeah.
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Their marriage has nothing to do with this documentary as it's being presented.
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Whatever he's trying to demonstrate here with this idea of like, aha, expose your wedding
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certificate, all that doesn't strengthen his argument that Mark is lying about the murder.
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It's just an attempt to hurt Joanne personally, which I find ugly.
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Yeah.
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I suppose the only way that that is not a complete and total dick move is if she is
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like a noted con woman who has traveled around.
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But she's not.
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Right.
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She's not.
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If it was something of the sort, then you can say, oh, well, look, she's also taking
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advantage of Mark to do her own scam.
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You know what I'm saying?
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She might be on some subconscious level, but it's not that.
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That's not an essential piece of what he's looking into.
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Of course not.
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The birth name that he has is one and then the other name that he uses is Fawcett.
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And if you look in the past, you can find her going by that name probably from a previous
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marriage.
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Yeah.
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That sounds right.
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She took on her husband's surname.
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And then in 1997, you can find records of her online going as Joanne Fawcett.
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And then she gets married to Mark and she's Joanne Fawcett Richards.
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So there's nothing suspicious here as far as I can tell.
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Yeah, that seems fine.
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The burden of proof for him to justify this not as him just being a fucking dick is real
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high.
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Yeah.
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He needs to establish something other than winking smugness about, I'm looking into you.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, he's a dick.
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It's gross.
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I have a few other reasons to be suspicious about Kevin's tone and the way he's carrying
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himself.
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One of those has to do with the fact that in May 2018, Kevin Moore had another interview
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with Carrie Cassidy.
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His interview with Joanne Richards was from 2015.
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So I suppose he could make the argument that in the intervening years, he'd had a change
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of heart about the whole matter and he's now working to right those wrongs like you suggested
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earlier.
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Exactly.
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But this interview with Carrie took place less than a year ago.
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And if you pay attention, you start to see shades of deception.
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This interview happened before he started working on his documentary about Mark Richards,
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but he uses footage from this interview for the documentary.
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The way he's using this footage is interesting.
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Now Jordan, I'd like you to take a listen to this from the trailer.
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And he's in constant contact with the raptors and they are now working according to him
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with our military.
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We're not saying Mark Richards didn't commit a crime here because he didn't.
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Well, okay.
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He's absolutely framed.
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With the comes to Mark Richards in particular, there can be no doubt that Carrie Cassidy
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has no objectivity.
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She's personally involved and invested in this story like no other.
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So what you have...
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Calm it down with the music.
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I like it.
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All right.
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I get you, but that's all right.
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From how the clip of Carrie was used in the trailer, you get the sense that Kevin was
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confronting her about how Mark was actually guilty of the murder and she foolishly insists
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that he was framed.
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Plus the clip that plays right after is meant to drive home that intended message.
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Now let's listen to how that exchange actually went down in the context of the actual interview
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from May, 2018.
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In the case of Mark Richards, he's constantly talking about the raptor beings.
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The raptors having gone through a certain amount of evolution since the time of the
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dinosaurs, broke off from that, went off on their own, actually left this part of the
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galaxy.
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And all of this is in the Mark Richards interviews.
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I want to apologize in advance.
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This is like a three minute long clip, but it's worth it just to hear this in context.
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And he's in constant contact with the raptors and they are now working, according to him,
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with our military and protecting humanity.
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How was he in contact in jail?
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So he's channeling that information.
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Yeah, he's, you know, if you want to call it channeling, whatever you want to call it,
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downloading.
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He's, you know, look, humans can go through portals right here.
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We could create a portal and go through it.
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We're not saying Mark Richards didn't commit a crime here because he didn't.
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Well, okay.
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He's absolutely framed.
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You know, I had someone email me that said, why did you have that Mark Richards going?
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Because I had his wife on years ago.
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Joanne, she's a lovely person.
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Yeah, years ago.
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And he's like, you don't know one thing.
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He's like, I was in that town when those murders took place.
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This guy is guilty of those murders.
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And I didn't reply to him because I just, it was first of all, he's supposed to be the
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mastermind.
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So how does that person know he's guilty?
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I don't know.
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Just to comment that would be an email.
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Sorry.
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That was email to me.
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Also a person who easily can be influenced.
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He could be taken over.
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He can be working for the dark side.
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Exactly.
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He could be a CIA plant.
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No idea.
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And again, he could be a light worker that they've taken over and is now working for
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the dark side.
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I mean, these people are so prevalent.
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Of course.
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You know, you can think what you want.
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Um, obviously I've got eight interviews and I've sat this close to him for hours and hours
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in prison.
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You used your intuition on that.
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Yeah.
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And you know, don't take my word for it.
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I wish I could get them on camera, but the prison won't allow it.
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Now you've got to ask yourself, this man is, is been in prison well over 30 years.
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He's he's, you know, in his sixties, he's failing health.
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Um, what, you know, he's, he didn't commit the murder murders.
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He supposedly masterminded it.
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Let's put that.
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Yeah.
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Why isn't he on parole at this point in his, in his life?
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Well, I would say, he was a military man.
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He still is a military man.
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In fact, he's regarded as such by the prison guards and the prison itself, right?
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He was basically treated as the Navy captain that he, he, he is and was trained to be.
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Is he in prison now?
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Put all that to one side.
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Just let's hear the information that he's talking about now.
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That's what I would say.
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I only mentioned that because.
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No, it's fine.
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I'm just saying, you know, this is the thing is that all you need is, you know, tomorrow
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someone will come along and say, Carrie Cassidy does this and so, and then you can, you're,
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you're left with a dilemma.
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Do you believe I've known her since they could lie through their teeth, you know, and yet
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because they've said it, you can't say nothing against it.
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Or if you do, you do, it means nothing because they've said it, you know, what do you want
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to do?
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Do you, you know, it's, it, it's, this is discernment.
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This is the sort of land we live in.
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And I say to people, do you expect truth to be delivered on a silver platter?
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If that was the case, what would be the point?
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Some people do.
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So I think you can get a very clear sense that that exchange is not accurately representative
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of what he's playing in the trailer.
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Not at all.
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That's bullshit.
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So he could.
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So that was from less than a year ago, right?
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But that's the reason that he has that footage is because he did, when he talked to all of
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these people, he was a softball interview.
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Well, the Carrie and Joanne interviews are from before, right?
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No, that's what I'm saying.
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When he was on board with their shit.
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Exactly.
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He's not going to, he's not going to give him an interview.
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She's not going to give him an interview now is what I'm saying.
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It pains me to say this, Jordan, and you know me, I don't ever want to be coming to Carrie
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Cassidy's defense, but from everything I've been able to tell, I really think Kevin Moore
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is doing our girl dirty.
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I think he's doing some bad shit here.
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Nothing about what he's doing feels sincere.
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There's even something about the whole thing that feels vindictive and dishonest in some
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way.
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Something must have happened between May 2018 and the present day that sent Kevin Moore
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on this trajectory, but I can't pretend that I have any idea what that thing would have
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been.
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I have no idea, but something has to have changed.
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Well, she owes him 20 bucks.
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Could be.
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These people.
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And you know what?
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It's a goddamn shame because I wholeheartedly agree with the idea of someone making a documentary
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about how Mark Richards is a charlatan and a murderer masquerading as a heroic space
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captain.
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The story is perfect for a farcical documentary so long as the subject matter is treated with
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the respect that the victim's loved ones deserve.
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Our next Patreon goal is of course $300,000 to make this documentary.
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I can't do that.
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You guys can make it.
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But this doesn't feel like that.
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It doesn't feel like a farcical documentary that is just interested in the subject matter.
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It feels ugly and unhealthy somehow.
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The way he's gloating in these vlogs about digging into their personal lives and stuff
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like that is just gross.
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Part of that feeling I have is based on a piece of information that I've intentionally
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withheld from you.
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You remember how I told you-
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Oh, I thought you were going to continue to intentionally withhold it, which would be
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a dick move on your part.
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Rude.
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Yeah, it'd be awful.
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Why would you even tell me that you were holding that information?
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I've got a secret.
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This has been Knowledge Fight.
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Jordan, you remember how I told you that in 2011-
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Next goal on Patreon, $2,000.
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I'll tell you my secret.
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I told you that in 2011, Kevin posted his first YouTube video, the trailer for his new
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TV show, The Moore Show.
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Yeah.
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I kind of forgot to tell you that in the description of that video, Kevin also announces that he
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quote, has now started his own international psychic service, so support The Moore Show
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and get a reading.
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Uh-oh, it turns out that Kevin has been trying to market psychic abilities for money going
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on for at least eight years.
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So he is a psychic as well.
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Well, he's just running a psychic hotline.
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Oh, right.
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I-
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He's just running a hotline of psychics.
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Which kind of parallels very much Kerry being like, now, he was just the mastermind.
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He didn't commit the murder.
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Kevin provides a link to book him for a reading, so maybe he is a psychic, on TMSpsychics.com,
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which now redirects to channeling.com, a website offering channeled readings from extraterrestrials
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and other dimensional beings delivered to you for a price from a team of mediums working
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for Kevin Moore, or at least I assume they're working for him considering that Kevin's face
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is the logo for the website and he recorded a welcome message that plays on the front
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page.
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And also in the link section at the bottom of the page, they refer to him as, quote,
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the owner.
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Gotcha.
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So, uh, looks like it's his.
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Well, I mean, it could be like a situation, you know, like a haircuttery situation.
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You know, what you do is you're actually renting the chair, man.
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You're not, you're an independent contractor.
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No.
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Some of his psychic employees offer silver level readings for a hundred dollars an hour.
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A hundred dollars an hour.
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A hundred dollars an hour for a silver reading.
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Silver level.
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I know what gold is.
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It's 129 an hour.
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Okay.
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Well that seems like a steal.
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But then some other ones offer platinum level readings for the very affordable price of
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$255 an hour.
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That's a lot.
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He is Goldilocks pricing all day.
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That's ambitious.
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Wow.
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And if your hour is about up and the medium you're talking to has more important information
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for you, don't worry.
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You're not going to get charged for an extra hour.
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As it's a platinum reading, you are going to have to pay $6 a minute to continue the
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call.
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Oh, well that's not terrible.
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I don't know.
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I don't want to put...
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Let's see.
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Let's see.
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How much would...
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It's only $2.30 a minute for the other levels though.
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Right.
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Additional minutes.
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So it would be an extra $240 per minute or per hour.
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An hour.
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Right.
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So we would still be...
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That's for silver and gold.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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It would be $3,600.
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$360.
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$360.
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For the platinum level.
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Which is more than if you just bought another hour.
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You bet.
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But that's how they get you.
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I bet.
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Yeah.
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Nickel and dime shit.
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I don't want to put this too strongly, but I would be lying if I said this didn't seem
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like one of the biggest scam operations I've stumbled into accidentally over the course
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of doing this show.
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That one's crazy.
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Say what you want about Carrie Cassidy and her dumb ass operation.
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At least she doesn't have the temerity to associate herself with something this overtly
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predatory.
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Yeah, this is bad.
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This is insane.
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This is insane.
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Looking over the website, it's almost a parody of a new age cash grab with multiple how to
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pay links.
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Like you could pay with your credit card or PayPal all over the top of the page.
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Fun.
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And most of the FAQ section is dedicated to payment options and attempts to alleviate
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concerns of people who might find themselves feeling skeptical.
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So you think I'm lying to you.
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I will tell you exactly why I am not lying to you.
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For $6 a minute, you can pay with PayPal.
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Here's how they answer a skeptics question, quote, all our readers are experts at telephone
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readings and when you call, they'll connect to you through your voice vibration by picking
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up variations in the voice, much like radio waves.
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As your face can't be read during a phone call, readers rely on their gift alone, making
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the reading more relevant.
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You see, Jordan, they can be even more psychic on the phone.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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I love that spin.
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It's good.
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That is a great spin.
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That is really good spin.
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It's impressive.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to give them that one.
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I decided to dig around a little and see who some of these mediums are that Kevin was employing.
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There's at least 36 mediums that Kevin's been able to find, screen and convinced to work
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for him on the phone, which alone seems like a Herculean effort that he's managed to pull
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off.
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It sounds probably more like he has four or five.
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I don't know.
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I got to know a couple of these folks, so I'm going to introduce you to them by reading
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you their bios.
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Cool.
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That sounds fun.
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First, I'd like you to meet David.
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Just David.
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Please note, David channels felines and mostly the male big cat, Metex, as well as many beings
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who define themselves as reptilians.
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Most importantly, those that are somewhat affiliated with the Draconian empire and go
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by the name Kalask, but also Vortac and Morcool.
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Whole lot going on there.
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Wow.
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Whole lot.
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Wow.
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But Jordan, my favorite-
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So he's just mad at Mark for stepping in his game.
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Maybe.
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But look, my favorite part of that, there's a lot.
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Like I said, there's a lot.
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There's a lot going on.
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No, that's great.
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But my favorite fucking part is that Kalask is only, quote, somewhat affiliated with the
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Draconian empire.
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You can trust Kalask because he's not fully affiliated with the Draconian empire, but
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he's just associated enough to know what's going on.
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See, now I'm more angry at Kalask.
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What is he doing?
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Why?
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What is he doing?
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Is he playing both sides?
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Why is he only somewhat affiliated?
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Where is he at?
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No, no, no.
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Is he nearby?
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I apologize.
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He's like Littlefinger.
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He knows enough to-
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He's got his fingers in everything.
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Yeah.
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He's like Earth Angel, the person.
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Not to be confused with the 1954 song by the Penguins that was featured in Back to the
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Future.
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She was named by that song.
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I bet David feels bummed out that he goes by David when it's fair game to call yourself
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Earth Angel.
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Nah, David.
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Good biblical name.
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Sure.
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Okay.
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He's a man who's-
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I guess-
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He's grounded, you know?
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David is an Earth Angel, I guess.
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Well, that's fair.
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The Bible.
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He doesn't have his head in the clouds, Dan.
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That's how you know this stuff is true because he's just David.
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Earth Angel's bio is not that interesting.
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We really just learned that, quote, her test reading blew us away, which inspires a load
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of confidence.
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Trust me.
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That was it?
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Yeah.
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That was it?
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That's the whole bio?
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That's the host of the bio, yeah.
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Okay.
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All right.
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There's also a woman named Galaxy who can, quote, connect to those that have passed if
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the need is there, which I think is a crazy way to phrase that.
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If the need-
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She can talk to the dead if you need that sort of thing.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Hold on.
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If you need that sort of thing, she can talk to the dead.
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You know what?
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That's the ability that you call, and she's like, you don't really need it.
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And I know that because I can't do it.
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If you needed it, I could.
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You would go somewhere else.
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Praising is strange.
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Then there's Rashmi, who claims that she can channel not only Jesus Christ, literally,
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but also Shiva, Buddha, and many others.
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She's got the whole panoply going on, or panoply.
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Unfortunately, the rest of their bios are pretty boring.
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We can't just, unfortunately can't just read their bios for the next hour, which I kind
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of hoped we could.
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Also, it's just kind of hard to top a guy who specializes in talking to the goddamn
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Thundercats.
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Yeah.
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But you know what?
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This is why we shouldn't have started with David.
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They're mostly archeologists and poets anyways.
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What do you really want to do with that?
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In theory.
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Yeah.
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Some of them offer psychic readings.
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Some specialize in giving love advice or reading tarot cards.
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Some even claim that they can use Reiki energy to heal you over the phone, since it's all
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energy-based, and energy can travel over long distances.
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So what's the deal?
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He's got a good point.
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Well, I'm not sure if he does.
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Here's the thing.
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A lot of the psychics he employs on this alien channeling hotline have also appeared as guests
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on his show, being interviewed about their psychic gifts.
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Of course.
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Synergy!
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On his October 6th, 2013 episode, he interviewed Rashmi, the psychic who can tell if you want
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to talk to Jesus and Buddha through her.
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He's had William Shaffer as a guest twice on his show.
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And for $129 an hour, William can tell you everything that you need to know about yourself
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from reading from the Akashic Records.
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This all seems very shady.
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Yeah.
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It's very upsetting.
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So what you're saying is that Kerry needs to do a counter-documentary about how shady
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he is, and then they'll cannibalize each other.
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I think we are right now.
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That's fair.
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Actually, that's very fair.
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Yeah.
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So, okay.
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But we don't have the great music, the great strings.
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Do do do do do.
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That's true.
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We could use the endgame theme.
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So alright.
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Kevin Moore is operating a Miss Cleo-style psychic hotline, and he's possibly stealthily
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using his radio show to promote the people who offer services for money on it.
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But at least he's not running around acting like he can contact otherworldly entities
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himself.
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I mean, if this guy, he's making a documentary exposing the lies of Captain Mark Richards
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because he cares so much about maintaining the integrity of serious-minded, evidence-based
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researchers in his community, he wouldn't be doing something like that.
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I hate to be the bearer of obvious news, but on March 28th, 2015, Kevin started releasing
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videos of himself channeling a soul group known as The One.
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I've watched a number of his channeling videos.
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Wait, like Berry Gordy's soul group, or like...
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What does that mean?
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Old...
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Motown.
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No.
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Sorry.
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Sorry for the deep Motown cut.
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No, no.
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I know who Berry Gordy is, but I just was like, what are you asking me?
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So like, I've watched a number of these channeling videos, and all he's doing is talking with
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his eyes closed, bobbing his head a little bit, and appearing slightly strained.
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It has the feeling of, you know how you, like, if you watch a band, the lead guitarist will
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make that pained look while they're doing the solo?
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It really looks a lot like that.
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In the first channeling session he released, the entities that were speaking through him
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seemed particularly interested in just kind of bragging about Kevin's channeling abilities,
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which I find a little bit strange.
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We come to you as many.
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The gift of Kevin is the gift to be able to channel multiple entities, multiple beings.
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Sorry, I should have written this down.
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And that is a true gift in this special time on planet Earth right now.
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He doesn't need to change his voice, or act in a different way.
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All I hear there is him saying, I can't do characters, that's all I hear.
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I hear Andy Daly's L Ron Hubbard all day, I wrote this to myself, of myself, for myself.
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He doesn't need to impress you with different voices for the aliens that come through him.
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Hold on, hold on, he's not done bragging.
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The alien entities are not done bragging through him.
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I have a problem with how not busy they are apparently, they do not need to get to the
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point.
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This is an agreement we have with him on a deeper level.
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At a time beyond now, beyond the universe, at the place where consciousness is.
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That's uh...
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Where's that?
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I don't know.
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It's all just this New Agey bullshit.
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Do they know?
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No.
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Oh, okay.
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Because they're Kevin, and Kevin doesn't know shit.
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Yeah, that's true.
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But there's something pretty weird about these sorts of people who get into this kind of
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thing, they just go on and on about how bad the ego is, you gotta free yourself from ego.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
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And yet at the same time I just find this dichotomy fascinating that the channeled entities
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that come through them really seem like they just want to stroke their egos.
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It's strange, isn't it?
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Yeah, and it goes on in this next clip.
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We are most grateful for him agreeing to take us and himself on this courageous journey.
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Why?
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It has only just been a few months for him to know this truth about himself.
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And he starts on a path now, an agreed path at a time beyond now, when it was agreed upon
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that this would come at this time, this gift would be known.
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He could have said no to this gift.
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He could have walked away, but...
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Sure sounds like he's a great guy.
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He understood, at the deepest part of his core, the importance of the work that needs
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to be undertaken now, at this, as we've said, special time on planet Earth, in the universe.
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I really think that an actual other entity speaking through him would not have that kind
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of a pause.
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But hey, it's channeling, it's like a delay, you know, whenever they're giving interviews,
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it's like a three second delay.
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It takes time.
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Bullshit.
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Bullshit.
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Crazy bullshit.
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I have to...
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The true gift is just having the flat out balls to do this.
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Absolutely.
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That is crazy.
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Absolutely.
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Crazy.
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It's brash.
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And the fact that he's...
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You have to have a level of confidence that is unrivaled.
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Unreal.
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Unreal.
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I can't even imagine.
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No.
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No chance.
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Imagine even if, like, and I assume that he's not reading this off a teleprompter or whatever.
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He has his eyes closed rocking back and forth, like, yeah.
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Like imagine you're also doing this extemporaneously without breaking into laughter at all.
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I think he, well, he does smirk at a couple points.
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So there is that.
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There is that.
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I'm really fucking with you guys.
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And I don't know how to stop.
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Well, I mean, it's one of those interesting things too that like channeling kind of has
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a built in like self-defense switch.
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Yeah.
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Because you're like, you're talking to alien entities and so you can be like, ah, Dan is
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actually a genius.
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He's meant to save the world.
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You know, I can just do that.
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Yeah.
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And then let's say you start heckling me in the middle of it.
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Boom.
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And then conceivably aliens are talking through me and that shouldn't affect me.
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But there's the built in excuse that that'll disrupt the stream with the aliens or whatever.
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So there's like, there's all these little things that are built in in order to like
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defend yourself from it ever really being verifiable in any way.
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All this shit.
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You know, what's interesting is that this is one of those situations where the fact
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that he is such an awful performer is almost like a more authentic version, you know?
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It helps me see that these trying really hard in these, if you want a treat, go watch some
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of these channeling videos.
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This is insane.
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They're crazy.
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This is nuts.
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So you might notice in that clip that these channeled entities mentioned that Kevin's
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only known about these gifts for a few months.
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Few months.
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Right.
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So that obviously makes you think.
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When he was behind on the rent a few months ago.
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Well, I mean, it does make you think about that.
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What happened a couple months ago?
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It's possibly unrelated, but in August 2014, which is about five months before this, Kevin
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started to make a ton of videos about Edgar Cayce.
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From August to the end of that year, 19 out of the 31 videos he posted on his YouTube
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channel, not counting the two part best of 2014 series, were about Edgar Cayce.
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For some context, his channel had existed regularly posting videos about new age and
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spiritualist topics for three years at that point, and he had released exactly zero videos
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about Edgar Cayce until then.
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Clearly, the topic was a bit of a new obsession for him.
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Edgar Cayce is the guy who's largely considered to be one of the founders of the New Age movement.
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He was a real weirdo from the early 1900s who would channel higher level entities while
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he was pretending to be asleep.
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Then he'd pretend not to have any idea what he'd said once he woke up, and at a certain
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point in his career, everyone started writing down everything he said while he was pretending
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to be asleep, and he's called the sleeping prophet, or the sleeping mystic.
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He's a bit of a, we'll get to it, but we could spend all day-
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They're gently kind of situation.
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We could spend all day going over Cayce's nonsense, but I'll just give you a couple
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of the complete bullshit prophecies that he made that should give you a sense of like,
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oh, all right.
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He claimed that Atlantis had been destroyed by a death ray, and that in 1958 the US would
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rediscover that death ray technology.
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He also prophesied that Atlantis would rise from the ocean in either 1968 or 1969, which
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it didn't.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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He predicted that California would fall into the ocean sometime in the 1960s.
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That did happen.
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It didn't.
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Escape from LA, I remember it.
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That didn't happen in the 60s.
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He famously predicted that 1933 would, quote, be a good year.
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1933 is largely remembered as the year that Hitler became chancellor of Germany, and Nazism
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started to go wild.
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That's a fun one.
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That's a bad coincidence.
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It was also the worst year of the Great Depression, when unemployment topped 20%.
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So by most metrics, 1933 was the definition of not a good year.
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That's a really fun coincidence.
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One of the worst years.
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That is the funnest coincidence.
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He prophesied a literal Armageddon would arrive in 1999, which it did not.
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It almost did, though.
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He predicted that Christianity would become the dominant religion in China by 1968.
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Almost there.
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This could not have been more wrong.
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As of 2011, China was 2.6% Christian, and that 2.6% does not exist in a good relationship
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with the oppressive government.
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No, they don't like it.
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This list could go on and on, and we aren't even touching on the horrible medical advice
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that he would give out during these readings.
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Oh, he gave out medical advice?
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Yes, he fancied himself a doctor.
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In fairness, pretty much everybody was shitty at medical advice back then.
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Totally, but that's one of the things that people who have gone back and studied people
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who channel stuff, one of the things that's fascinating about it is all of the entities
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seem to be stuck in the time frame and the understanding and conventional wisdom of whatever
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time period the person who's channeling the material is in.
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That does seem like you could just read a few articles and get close back then.
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Even mysteriously, there's also this thing where people are channeling entities, presumably
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from the same group or whatever, and they give contradictory information.
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It's almost as if everybody's making all this stuff up.
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You know, I did find it weird that in Scientology they looked a lot like B-52 bombers.
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Doesn't that seem suspicious?
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They should have looked like the B-52s, Fred Schneider.
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So what's important here is that in August 2014 Kevin Moore started making a ton of videos
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about Edgar Cayce and interviewing people about him, and then a couple months later
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he coincidentally discovers amazing channeling abilities and he uses them to talk to entities
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who have important messages for humanity that only he can reveal.
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But it's not like these things are connected or anything.
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That's just me taking two separate things and pretending they're related.
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I might be doing that, or I might have watched a ton of his channeling videos and heard him
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say this.
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I am just tuning into this body, yes.
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Cool.
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I have lived on this planet before.
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I bet I know who it is.
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A long time ago, Dan, do I know who it is?
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I have left a foundation on this planet a long time ago.
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Some of you would have known me as Cayce, I did know Edgar Cayce, and I am one of the
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guides that come through Kevin.
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I don't normally come through for this.
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I have been there with him through his books, and I also come through on different situations.
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But just to pop in to say hello...
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Hello!
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Just to pop in to say hello, guys, I'm traveling through space and time, and even this one
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is like, man, I don't usually come around.
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But this Kevin dude is the fucking best!
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I don't usually do this.
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And I was there for all of his books, so they're really credible.
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It's amazing.
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I was there.
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I helped him with those books.
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I also come through some other times, but whatever.
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I'm not going to talk about that.
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I find it incredibly fascinating that Edgar Cayce is like this disease that spreads through
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New Age communities.
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It's kind of like that Jerusalem syndrome thing, where some people go to Jerusalem,
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and they end up thinking that they're Jesus.
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It's just something, it's a phenomenon that happens.
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People don't quite understand exactly why.
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People who are kind of unhinged and maybe a little bit ambitious, they get involved
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in the New Age stuff, they interact with his material a little bit, read some of his stuff,
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and then they start to think they are him.
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Like, you've got this Kevin Moore who's pretending that he has Edgar Cayce talking through him.
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In the same way, David Wilcox has made a career off saying that he's the reincarnation of
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Edgar Cayce.
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So you have, it's just this frequent thing where these con artists use him in order to
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reinforce and add legitimacy to their schemes.
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It's almost like, it is almost like they are being conned from beyond the grave.
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They are, yeah.
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If there is any metaphysical thing going on here, I would not doubt that it is Edgar Cayce
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fucking with Edgar Cayce.
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That ghost would be conning people left and right.
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And he would do it in the same way, via flattery.
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So maybe he is channeling Edgar Cayce, and Cayce is fucking with him, like, hey man,
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you're so great, I love it, you're the best channeler ever, you're so good at it.
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I don't know.
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So this dude is a grade A scammer.
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His history shows a real pattern of using new age beliefs and spiritualism as a business
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model.
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He runs a psychic hotline and he's tried to establish himself as a super important medium
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who's channeling critical messages for humanity coming from Edgar Cayce as well as other less
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recognizably named entities.
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When it suited his purpose, he's been perfectly willing to unquestionably platform Joanne
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Richards and Carrie Cassidy and allow them to spread misinformation about Mark Richards,
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even going out of his way to help them deflect from the criticism that Mark is a murderer.
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And now that's all changed and he's a heroic crusader who's going to stand up for fact-based
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investigators in the new age world and expose Mark, Joanne, and Carrie.
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I'm sure you can see how this feels like it's complete bullshit.
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His motivation can't be that he's offended by what they're saying because he's been a
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part of saying literally the same things.
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He can't be interested in defending rigorously researched and fact-based investigations in
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alternative communities because Mark Richards being a secret space captain has exactly as
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much proof attached to it as him channeling Edgar Cayce.
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Something is up here and I think I might have accidentally stumbled onto a clue as to what
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it is.
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Obviously, I can't prove anything, but I have a bit of suspicion that Kevin Moore is not
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making this documentary out of a concern for the truth nor even out of just a sincere desire
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to tell this completely insane and awesome story of Mark Richards.
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Is he even making the documentary?
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He is.
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Okay.
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As best I can tell.
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I mean, he made a trailer.
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Yeah.
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Well, I didn't...
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I believe...
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Fire Festival made a trailer.
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That's a good point.
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I believe that he's motivated by jealousy.
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When Kevin interviewed Rashmi, the psychic hotline employee who can talk to Jesus and
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Buddha, he brings up a particular lament that I found very interesting.
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I mean, obviously, the hard thing about this type of work as well, well, I say hard.
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You may answer it quite differently, but for myself, doing a show like I do with what I
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call amazing guests like yourself coming on.
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What I call it.
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It really is heart-wrenching that we just can't get on bigger networks, that the main
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streams feel that these type of shows are not audience driving traffic and it's such
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a shame because I think that there is an awakening.
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People are ready.
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So you can kind of see an expression of I deserve to be bigger than I am and it's just
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bullshit that we can't get on bigger networks.
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I have great guests.
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I do this show.
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I think I'm pretty great as evidenced by my later channeling work.
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Kevin Moore's YouTube channel, his primary means of distributing his material has 63,000
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subscribers, which I could see is nothing to sneeze at.
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No.
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That's nothing to sneeze at.
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That's a lot.
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Project Camelot.
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More than we have.
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Totally.
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That's a lot of YouTube.
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We do, but I haven't posted on it in a very long time.
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Project Camelot has approximately 230,000 subscribers, almost four times Kevin's audience.
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Some of his videos get a few thousand views, but some of them, like an interview about
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robots that he did three weeks ago, currently sits at 834 views.
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His 2018 interview with Carrie Cassidy has over 32,000 views, well over the average on
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his channel.
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You can clearly see that it drives traffic.
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Project Camelot is a larger entity and a bigger thing than him.
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Kevin recently did an Indiegogo campaign to make a documentary about how channelers are
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totally real, which seems kind of like it's across purposes for someone who runs a psychic
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hotline.
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Maybe.
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Kind of makes that documentary feel like it's a bit of an extended commercial, but whatever.
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In the time that the campaign was active, it eclipsed its goal of reaching $15,000,
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ending up with just a little bit over $27,000.
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But what I find suspicious is that this total came from only 82 donors, which is an average
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of about 300 per person.
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There are red flags all over this crowdfunded campaign, but I won't bore you with the numbers.
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I did some weird math and some of it just does not make sense.
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There's all kinds of people who didn't claim reward tier prizes or anything, so that leads
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me to believe that a lot of them were lower donations than the lowest tier, and the lowest
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tier is $25.
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So there's probably a lot of them who were below...
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So we have 80 below $25 and two $20,000.
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He has 29 prizes out of those 82 people that were actually claimed.
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Yeah, and two guys got them all.
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Right.
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So anyway, it's very strange, and there's a lot of reasons to have some suspicion about
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what's going on there.
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But no matter what the case is, even if everything is above board, that's still only 82 people
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who want him to make his documentary.
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Compare that to Carrie's failed Indiegogo from 2015, where she was trying to raise $100,000
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to start a TV network.
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Love you, Carrie.
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Keep shooting for the stars.
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That one might have failed largely due to pure hubris, but she had 189 people donate,
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over twice what Kevin pulled in.
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Strangely, Kevin's also running a GoFundMe campaign to get his two documentaries made,
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the Mark Richards one and the one about channelers.
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And he also wants to launch the International Spiritual News Network, so he also wants a
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TV network.
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Oh, boy.
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The campaign on GoFundMe has only raised £527 from 19 donors in five months.
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I'm not trying to suggest that Kevin is getting dark money or anything like that.
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That's nonsense.
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I'm suggesting that it looks very possible that the donations he got from his Indiegogo
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campaign came from a sponsor, most likely Ozark Mountain Publishing, a New Age book
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distributor that Kevin has acknowledged as a sponsor regularly in the past and who runs
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ads on his show.
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It seems entirely possible that he launched the crowdfunding for his documentaries.
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No one was interested, and his sponsor stepped in to create the appearance of demand.
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I have a strong suspicion that Kevin Moore is not motivated by preserving truth.
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Everything I've seen gives me the strong indication that a much more likely explanation for all
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of this is that Kevin wants to take over Carrie Cassidy's share of the New Age bullshit market.
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This feels like the equivalent of a situation where a mobster is extorting a store owner
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who is then killed by another way worse mobster.
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Yeah.
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Sure, you got rid of the mobster extorting the store owner, but you only did that so
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you could prey on that store owner yourself.
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Yeah.
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So Kevin is Marlowe in this situation.
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Yeah.
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At least that's the sense I get.
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Yeah.
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A British guy who can channel Edgar Cayce and has been running an exorbitantly priced
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psychic hotline for the better part of a decade sincerely cares about misinformation being
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spread in the New Age community, even though he was an active participant in spreading
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the exact same misinformation and seemed to support Carrie Cassidy spreading it less than
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a year ago.
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Right.
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Equally possible.
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I guess you just got to decide for yourself.
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Equally possible explanations.
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Yeah.
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I am dead center, 50 on one side, 50 on the other side, Dan.
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I feel like one of the main things that I come away from all this with is like, get
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the fuck out of here, Kevin.
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Yeah.
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Get the fuck out of here, Kevin.
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We are the ones who get to feed Carrie.
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Except we didn't look into your marriage status, asshole.
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At least we're better than that.
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We like to laugh at Carrie and enjoy and have fun and then whenever she says things that
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are like, oh, that sounds Nazi-ish, we complain and condemn her for that.
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But there's no like, this is such bullshit for one reason, one reason only.
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Like the, even the very idea of what he's doing is so stupid because there's no way
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that you're going to make this documentary about Mark Richards.
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And then like people are going to be like, oh my God, project Camelot is bullshit.
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We're going to go and be smart now and head over to a channeler.
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It's not going to happen.
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You're not going to turn people into like people who actually read books at that point.
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What you're going to do is make a vacuum in their life.
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Whatever guru vacuum is there and you're hoping that enough of them will come over to you
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that'll fill that gap there.
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Yeah.
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It's kind of a bummer, but at the same time, I'm fascinated by like, you know, just bringing
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those channeling videos into my life was a delight, Dan.
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Thank you.
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You don't look into any of this stuff that like I didn't initially, you just see this
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documentary for this, uh, or this trailer for the documentary.
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You're like, fuck.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I totally thought that.
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And I, I didn't.
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I wasn't going to look into it.
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And then, you know, you run the very serious risk of endorsing someone because you like
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the idea of this documentary instead of looking like what's going on here and realizing he
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runs a psychic hotline and he thinks he can channel entities and he's just as bad if not
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worse.
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I think he's absolutely worse than Carrie, at least for that like channeling hotline.
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Right.
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Like the idea that he runs a hundred dollar an hour minimum psychic hotline is crazy.
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Like that, that to me is, is funneling your audience towards something so much more destructive
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than just the stupid ideas that Carrie pimps and then maybe her hilarious album, you know,
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Oh, I want to listen to that album again.
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He can't possibly make that much money from the psychic hotline.
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Right.
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I assume not.
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He can't possibly make that much money.
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I don't know, but it's, it doesn't matter to me.
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That's insane.
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If, if he doesn't make a lot of money off it, it's not for lack of trying and it's not
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anything that he's not doing.
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Right.
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Like he's doing everything exactly as he needs to do it to be a big pile of shit, making
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a ton of money, defrauding people with psychic readings.
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Right.
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And you're just ruining a small business owner's life, Dan.
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That's what you're doing right now.
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You're just, he's an entrepreneur.
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He's trying to build something from the ground up.
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So you've been on a bit of a ride.
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What are your thoughts?
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I mean, I, I think that you probably agree with me.
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I don't want to put those words in your mouth, but like, you've been nodding and he's a scammer
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and full of shit.
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Yeah.
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Of course.
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I mean, come on.
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It just anybody, Oh God, those channeling videos.
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I don't, I wouldn't.
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I wanted to play so many more of them, but they're so long.
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Even they mean nothing.
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I swear to you, even if it was proven factually correct that he was channeling, I'd still
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be out on that dude because fuck that, fuck those videos.
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I mean, you're just bad at it.
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Just say you're bad at channeling.
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Do you feel similarly, weirdly defensive?
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About Kerry?
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Yeah.
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I mean, Kerry was, Kerry was real mad in that clip of the interview that you played with
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her and him whenever he just brought up the fact that Mark Richards murdered somebody
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and she just cut him off over and over and over again.
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I thought that was rude.
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I don't think so.
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Well, she's sweary Kerry, she's just kind of rude.
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She is kind of rude.
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But she's all rude.
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She's our friend.
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What?
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See, this is the difference between you getting so deep into this, listening to hours upon
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hours upon hours of sweary Kerry on Project Camelot, and then me just hearing what you
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show me.
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I don't develop the same emotional connection.
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But I also think, okay, that's fine.
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And I don't actually have that much of an emotional connection.
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I do.
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Don't step it back now.
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Feel your feelings, Dan.
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I just don't, I don't actually.
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Nobody's judging you.
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I don't have those feelings, but I do feel protective a little bit.
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But one of the big reasons is that I see much more craft on Kevin's part.
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I see much more malice and intent on his part.
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What he wants to do with this stuff doesn't strike me as positive.
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And he also seems like he's probably a lot more enterprising and a lot more capable.
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Kerry has probably gotten to the height that she can ever get to.
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She made a pilot for a true TV show.
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And then she does these YouTube videos where everything glitches all the time and dogs
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bark in the background and she talks to people who lie to her about space.
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There's a certain charm to that inasmuch as I don't feel worried about it.
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You want some wide-eyed innocence and a healthy dose of incompetence.
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I don't necessarily even think that it's innocent.
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Don't put that word in my mouth.
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But it does seem impotent.
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It seems like it can't spiral out of control that much further.
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I do think he could.
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I think he could.
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Kerry doesn't put videos out of herself fucking channeling people.
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Right.
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That's true.
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So that is presumptuous.
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On the other hand-
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It's bold.
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Anyone who could put multiple videos of themselves out channeling things, I don't know what you're
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capable of.
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Right.
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I think on the other hand, he seems most likely to overreach and then implode.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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I think he is with this documentary.
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Well, yeah.
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Of course.
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Because the people who like Project Camelot are not going to- Kerry's mounting a defense
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against him.
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No matter what he- That's the other thing.
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That's the other thing about why this is fucking stupid.
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If you intend to show, cast a light on these misinformation parts of the space community
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or whatever, what the fuck are you doing this for?
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Like quite honestly, you're going to make this documentary and then everyone is going
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to think you're a deep state operative or whatever.
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It's a world that has- It's going to backfire.
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It has built in defenses against any kind of truth telling.
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Yeah.
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And you know that.
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You're a part of that fucking world.
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Yeah.
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And that's the end result of this.
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So that means to me that that being presented as his motive for this is a little suspicious.
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Yeah.
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Especially since it would be like sensibly the people that he would be marketing this
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documentary to would be people who are interested in finding out that Captain Mark Richards
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is a fucking murderer and all of the details behind that.
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And that type of person isn't going to go, ha ha ha, you got her.
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Now let's go over and see what your psychic has to say.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I'm going to need to sit with the feelings a little bit longer to really, really know
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where the feeling comes from.
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But there is definite- Smash cut, Dan is married to Carrie in two
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years.
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It's not going to happen.
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I don't date long distance.
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Space.
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Look, I don't know, I mean, the feeling that I, it's not a defensive Carrie for her own
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sake.
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But it's a defense based on what the offense is and the offense is bullshit.
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Anybody being the target of something like this, I would probably be like, this doesn't
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seem sincere.
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Right.
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Even like, no matter what, I don't know, it is always kind of funny the idea of like intersect
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battles in space communities and stuff like that.
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We could take an external view and be like, all right, all right.
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But if I do want to see one survive, it's obviously Project Camelot.
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Oh, of course.
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There's much funnier territory there.
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So sorry, Kevin, I'll probably still watch your documentary, but I'm going to stream
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it illegally.
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Yeah.
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I'm not giving you a dime, asshole.
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Yeah.
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Fuck off.
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Stop trying to be an asshole to our friends over at Project Camelot.
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Although I will give you a call and see what Jesus is up to, but I need a discount.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, we'll be back on Friday with a new episode.
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Indeed we will.
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That actually is about Alex Jones.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But this has been a fun diversion.
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It's been fantastic.
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Thank you.
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We have a website.
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We do have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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You can also get a psychic reading on knowledgefight.com.
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You can't.
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You cannot get a psychic reading.
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$700 an hour.
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No.
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I will channel the dog of beings.
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Don't say that.
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And they will give you investment advice.
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The capitalist dog aliens will tell you about the space stock market.
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Are we sure they're any good at it?
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Space stocks.
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Space stocks.
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Yeah, you could do that or you could get like a shirt or go to the Patreon page.
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We got to shut the fuck up right now because space stocks is a perfect idea for a scale.
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How would anyone ever confirm or deny the value of going up or down?
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You have complete control of the narrative.
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Yeah.
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I predict someone will eventually try and pull a scale like that.
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Oh, for sure.
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Oh, what about like resource futures and like asteroids?
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I bet that might already exist.
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That one's already been done.
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That one probably got done in the 20s.
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Yeah, probably.
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Yeah.
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Anyway.
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Asimov was writing about mining asteroids back then.
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For sure somebody bought that hook, line, and sinker.
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But like futures trading?
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Anyway, we have Twitter.
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You could trade.
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It is at Knowledge Fight and I'm at-
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Knowledge Underscore Fight.
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Knowledge Underscore Fight.
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And I'm a Go To Bed Jordan.
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Yep.
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We're also on Facebook.
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We are on Facebook.
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What else do we do?
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iTunes.
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We are on iTunes.
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There are other podcasting apps we are told.
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Yes.
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Also, as we end this, I gotta say, Jordan-
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What do you gotta say?
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I have to say-
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What do you gotta say?
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The archeologist feline space Contessa-
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Gorgeous.
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Has never killed anybody.
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We do not know that.
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I can tell you that my spirit resonates that she has never killed anybody.
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I'm gonna channel her.
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Just done archeological digs trying to figure out cat aliens passed on Earth.
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Gonna channel her.
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It's an acceptable goal and it contributes to the totality of information in the universe
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and I respect that she's never killed anybody.
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That's a good call.
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One guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
