Transcript/288: January 7-9, 2013

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Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes. Like sit around. Drink novelty.

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Oh we gotta do a high register.

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Oh Deli. I don't know where that came from but it terrified you.

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That look on your face made me laugh a lot.

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It just perked me up a little bit. It just gave me a little bit of a bump.

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We're a couple folks sitting around drinking

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novelty beverages and talking about Alex Jones. Today we get Coca Cola orange vanilla in the house.

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Indeed we do Dan. I have no idea what it is. It's a testament.

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Novelty beverage.

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I don't. We don't always bring up what novelty beverage we're drinking but this time I thought

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it'd be appropriate because it's a testament to how quickly I often find novelty shit and drink it

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is that you came in with this orange vanilla Coke and you're like hey I saw this. It looked weird.

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We gotta try it. I'm like I've had it already.

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How do you do this?

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I'm quick.

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Do you know what I almost got?

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I'm at the store a lot though too. That's the thing is like I generally end up going

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because just as an excuse to get out of the house almost.

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Yeah.

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Like I'll end up at the store or down at Walgreens or something you know.

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So I have a lot of access to what's new.

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Right right right. I have a Walgreens.

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I tried the M&M hazelnut because I thought it would be like a Nutella filled M&M.

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Oh yeah yeah no.

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Disappointing.

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Just a hazelnut?

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Yeah it's not bad but it wasn't what I was looking for.

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I nearly it was between orange vanilla Coke which I just took a taste of and is absolute garbage.

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It's not a win.

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Disgusting.

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I haven't had a sip today but from my first voyage with it I can say it's not a win.

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Or the 7-Eleven branded Sour Patch Kids soda which I was looking at thinking

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what if I hurt myself? That was looking at that was like cutting myself like that was the idea.

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I need to feel something to feel alive like that kind of thing.

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You did get that cotton candy energy drink.

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Oh that was bad.

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I didn't actually think it was terrible.

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You left it here I drank it later.

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Did you?

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It wasn't terrible.

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It should have been way worse.

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Somehow it had a subtle flavor of cotton candy.

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Subtle cotton candy flavor.

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It's just sugar.

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Yeah that's true.

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Anyway this is a show where I know a lot about novelty shit and Alex Jones.

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And I only know what you tell me Dan.

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That's right.

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So Jordan today is my birthday.

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Is it?

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Well when this comes out.

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I really do.

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This will be coming out on my birthday.

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Oh yeah.

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This is my birthday episode.

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Hey everybody.

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It's gonna be no different than any other time.

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How are you gonna be 35?

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35.

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Wow.

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Looking at that.

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Thank you.

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I made it.

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You look great.

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Thanks.

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Yeah.

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Fuck you.

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Yeah I mean what can I do?

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I can rent a car now is that what it is?

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No I think that's 25.

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Hotel room?

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I don't know.

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Probably.

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Run for president?

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Who knows.

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There is that one.

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Yeah whatever it is 35 some sort of a milestone I don't know.

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Yeah I think it's 35 president 30 senate and 25 house.

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I'm on my way.

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Which seems incredibly arbitrary and stupid.

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I'm heading to the government.

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Do it.

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I'm not doing that.

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But on this day of my birthday I want to take a moment to say thank you to everybody who

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over the last year from 34 to 35 has been so instrumental in helping create this thing

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that can be my job and I'm very passionate about and everybody who facilitates it and

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makes it possible makes it so I enter this 35th year with something far more meaningful

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in my life than I had years ago and something that would not be possible without them.

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And so.

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Yes without them.

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What?

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Just sitting over here.

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Yeah think all of them.

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We're a little loopy up top.

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Wow you know you know what I was going to get to that.

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I was going to get to talking about appreciating you as well but you're being so impatient

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with your need for thanks that you didn't let me get to it naturally and now I won't.

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Never happening.

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Yeah but yeah so if you if you think of wanting to give me anything for my birthday don't

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you already have but if you do want to tweet out a link to the show or something like that

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would be nice.

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That would help.

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We have shirts now.

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Yeah we do.

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We do.

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And if you want to find them there was some confusion there's on the website knowledgefight.com

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there's now up at the navigation bar up at the top it says shirts so you can find that

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stuff there with that link.

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Wonderful.

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But in the in the spirit of thanks and appreciation we'd like to start this episode as we do all

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of our episodes with a prayer.

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No it's time to pray with a thank you to some people who signed up and are supporting the

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show.

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We really appreciate it.

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So first Brian.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now Policywonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you Brian.

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Thank you very much Brian.

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Next Brian but with a Y Thank you so much you are now Policywonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you Brian.

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Thank you very much Brian.

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Next Young Bae.

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Thank you so much you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much Young Bae.

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Next, the Soros Foundation for Definitely Not Being Globalist Soul Vampires.

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These names are getting a little long.

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These are getting a little bit interesting.

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We thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Soros Foundation for Definitely Not Being Globalist Soul Vampires.

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Yes.

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Next, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who took their donation and bumped it up a

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little bit.

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So, Carissa, thank you so much.

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You are now a globalist.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy Shark.

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Thank you so much, Carissa.

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Thank you very much, Carissa.

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Finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated and bumped it up a little more.

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We thank you very much.

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So, JT, you are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy Shark.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser, little kitty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much, JT.

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Thank you, JT.

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If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I'd like to support the show, like what

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these gents do, you can do that, much like there's a link that says shirts.

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There's a link that says support on our website, knowledgeright.com, and click that button

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and da-da-da-da-da-do.

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Yeah.

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That'd be nice.

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So, for my birthday, there was only one thing that I wanted for my birthday.

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What's that?

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Answers.

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So, I decided that- That was a great line read.

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Thanks.

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Damn the torpedoes of the present day.

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Yeah.

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We've already spent too much time going over last week on our Monday episode.

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I was considering doing a Wacky Wednesday episode for this, but who cares?

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I have more important fish to fry, and that is back in the past, early 2013, Alex Jones,

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looking at what he was up to in the aftermath of Sandy Hook.

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I've had the feeling that we were about to get to something, and for my birthday, I wanted

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to get to that thing.

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Yeah.

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And we'll see if we do.

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Yeah.

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Today, we'll be going over the days of January 7th through 9th, 2013, and here are two out

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of context drops that seem to be like contradictions.

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I don't like scammers.

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I don't like people that organize themselves and run hoaxes.

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Okay.

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Well, here's this other out of context drop.

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Oh, I really like John Rappaport.

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I really, really don't like scammers.

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Fuck, I love John Rappaport.

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All right.

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Deal with that, Alex.

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All right.

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So the 7th, we don't have any clips from because Mike Adams hosted.

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Right.

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The Health Ranger.

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That's right.

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Alex Jones was out of town.

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He was in New York.

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What was he doing in New York?

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He was going over to do Piers Morgan's show, where he yelled at him about how 1776 will

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commence again if you take our guns.

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He acted like a big old baby asshole and was roundly mocked by people for his display.

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And then they shook hands and everybody went home winners, I believe.

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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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There seemed to be like...

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I don't know how much that was a staged fight.

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I think Piers Morgan didn't enjoy what was going on.

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I don't know.

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It's hard to say.

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But Alex did that.

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And if you want to hear our coverage of that, we went over it like a year ago.

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So we have an episode that goes over Alex's Piers Morgan interview.

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I think it was from December 31st.

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I think it was actually from New Year's of 2017.

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So if you go back, you can find what we thought about that interview.

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And you'll never know what we think about Mike Adams hosting the show on the 7th, because

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we're not talking about it.

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So we jump in on the 8th.

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And Alex gives a preemptive excuse for why this episode may not go good.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I have had two hours sleep on the plane.

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Got up at about 4 this morning, took about a 30 minute nap in the hotel room.

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Got up at 4, because I was working through the night, filing videos, and then got on

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the plane, maybe slept an hour and a half.

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So a total of about two hours.

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So bear with me today.

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Thanks for breaking that down.

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Our plane landed about 35 minutes ago at Austin-Bergstrom International Airport.

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It is the 8th day of January, 2013.

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I am your host, Alex Jones.

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Hey, Alex.

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That was a lot of timestamps in a very short period of time.

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We got a half hour at the hotel, we got an hour and a half on the plane, we landed 35

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minutes ago.

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It's the 8th day.

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Come on.

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That can't be true either.

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I've been to Austin's airport, I've been to Alex's studio.

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I know that he couldn't have landed 35 minutes before he's on air.

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It's just literally impossible.

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I would say hour max, especially considering you're saying we landed 35 minutes ago.

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You don't get off the plane for another 15 after you land, Alex, what are you fucking

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talking about?

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Get out of here.

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But who cares?

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That's just me splitting hairs.

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He's tired.

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Yes.

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And that may or may not come into play throughout this episode.

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But you know what?

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He feels good.

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He's tired, but he feels good.

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Energized.

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And one of the reasons that he feels good is that he thinks he nailed it on Piers Morgan's

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show.

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Of course he does.

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But his praise for himself is somewhat restrained.

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I doubt that.

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I was pretty wound up once I got on the broadcast and I give myself about an A. Not an A plus,

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not a B plus, not a B minus, I give myself about an A. And what I wanted to do was point

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out that we have a foreign globalist here in our midst and that Dianne Feinstein, I

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had a whole bunch of stuff I wanted to get to and I got to a lot of it, but not all of

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it.

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And I wanted to read over some of the, like I have some notes that are in my wallet.

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I'm not sure where I put my wallet.

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I may have dumped it out there with my phones, but I had some notes that I wanted.

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Thank you.

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I had some notes I wanted to go over.

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In your wallet?

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Yeah.

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Just notes in your wallet?

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Just keep notes in your wallet.

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I wrote my plan to attack Piers Morgan as an international globalist in our midst on

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a napkin from the airplane I put in my wallet and I forgot to take out my wallet.

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So I forgot to tell them a bunch of things that I really think about how he's an asshole.

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Yeah.

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Uh, good.

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I give that an A. I feel like we have to pour one out for Harris Whittles on the, I'll give

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myself about an A as a humble brag.

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Yeah.

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Good God.

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I mean, it is a little bit, I always, I feel it's always presumptuous to give yourself

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an A. Why?

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You can't give yourself an A. Only other people can give, you can give yourself a B. Can you

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give yourself a B?

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I allow that, yes.

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I think that is the, the height of, uh, hubris and self-criticism.

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Yeah.

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I give myself a B on that.

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Giving yourself an A is unheard of.

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That's, that's, um, that's Icarus levels of, uh.

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Yeah.

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Can you imagine the idea of giving yourself an A plus?

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Like I, I 100% nailed that with no input from any other human being.

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I don't need anybody to say I did a good job.

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A plus.

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The self-esteem is perfect.

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That's what I'm saying.

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He's restrained.

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Yeah.

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You know.

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He could have.

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Could have.

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He's the only person who's in charge of this grading system.

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That's true.

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He could have easily been like, A plus.

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Fuck you.

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Isn't that what happened with the bribery scandal that's going on right now?

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Didn't everybody give themselves an A?

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Somewhat.

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They paid other people to give them an A. Yeah.

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Um, so Alex talks about his appearance on Piers Morgan and just talks about how great

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he was.

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Uh, and, uh, you know what, we don't, I mean, who cares?

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Yeah.

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You know what he's saying?

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He's saying, I was awesome.

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He tried.

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He wants to take your guns.

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I stood up and I told him, you're a stupid Brit.

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All this stuff.

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He did say that.

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The only thing I think that is really interesting about his, uh, sort of retelling of going

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on Piers Morgan is he kind of admits, uh, that he only started that petition to get

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him deported, uh, to get Piers Morgan deported for attention, which of course we knew that,

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but it's nice to hear Alex admit it.

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You know, I told him, he said, so you want me deported right before I went live?

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And I said, no, I did that to get attention to the fact that, you know, you're trying

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to take our first amendment, obviously Obama, by the way, the white house responded at the

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end of the show saying they'll, they'll respond officially, which they never do to petitions.

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They don't like, but they were forced to on this one, a hundred and something thousand

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signatures, but that obviously free expression is our most important value.

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The guy is involved in operations against this country.

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And obviously I know he isn't going to be deported.

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So Alex says that he's bringing attention to the fact that Piers Morgan wants your guns

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and that's a fine way to phrase it, but what he's talking about is I wanted attention.

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I knew that this would be something that would, uh, you know, in the same way that, uh, when

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Marty was on, uh, Val Venis was explaining about, uh, uh, the sort of wrestling strategy

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of like, oh, we'll talk about Glenn Beck and Alex Jones and they'll talk about us on their

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show.

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The ping pong of, uh, publicity going back and forth.

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That's the same thing.

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Alex knew that Piers Morgan would probably talk about how Alex wanted him deported.

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Boom.

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We got, we got this whole thing going.

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It's going to be great.

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Yeah.

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As far as him executing his plan, I would give him an A.

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I would give him an A minus probably because he should have yelled a little less.

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I think, I think as we'll see, there's some backlash from his listeners, uh, on this episode.

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All right.

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There's a, some people thought he looked like a buffoon.

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It would be, it would be the height of hypocrisy where I to criticize anyone for amount of

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yells.

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That's true.

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Not you.

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I've been pretty consistent criticizing you and Alex for yelling way too fucking much.

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Okay.

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Uh, but that's only, that only comes from a self critical perspective because when I

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was a younger man, I was a yeller.

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I was very, very loud and people would consistently, uh, insult me and uh, like made me feel like

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shit about how loud I was and it made me, uh, it turned into like a little bit of a

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complex for me, which is why I have a deep voice, but I try and speak much softer, uh,

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nowadays.

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Anyway, I would yell if I could, but people beat it out of me.

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So well, I came to, I probably wouldn't, I'm kind of glad they did that.

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Surprisingly enough.

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I came to it later in life.

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I worked with the elderly for 10 years and gradually and gradually it got to the point

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where everything I do is loud, sort of just job training that led you there.

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Exactly.

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Um, so Alex in that clip too, is saying that, uh, the Obama's and the administration, uh,

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were forced to respond to his petition to, uh, deport piers Morgan while he was in New

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York.

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Uh, and Alex is going to use that to thread a conspiracy about piers Morgan getting the

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Obama's to respond to it because CNN is full of, uh, uh, uh, uh, CIA, CIA and the FBI say

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piers was involved in operations against our country.

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I think piers, uh, and appears specifically and everyone around him more generally.

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That's the, that's the picture Alex is presenting.

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I cut most of it out, but a lot of the episode involves him telling not true stories of his

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time.

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They're talking about how like there's poo smeared on the walls around CNN.

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Why did you cut that stuff out?

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Cause it's, I want an, I want an insider's view of a 30 rock cause it goes so long.

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It's just these rambling, I was wandering, I was there five years ago and it was a pristine

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media operation.

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Now there's shit on the wall.

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Everything is a disrepair.

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The place is a dump.

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If there was nothing else to talk about, I probably might've kept some of that in.

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But there's, there's more, there's bigger fish to fry.

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Um, like this next clip where Alex explains that Paul Joseph Watson has been telling him

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that he is all over the press in the United Kingdom.

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Gotcha.

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The UK cannot stop talking about Alex.

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Which leads Alex to talking about some books that were written by Churchill.

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Hmm.

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And Alex makes a startling confession about whether or not he's read those books.

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Every newspaper in England, Watson tells me, including the physical ones that he's seen,

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have this on the cover or close to the cover and it's all how I've attacked the British

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people.

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Now the British people have been taken over by globalists and used to fund their worldwide

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empire while sucking you dry, the host, and now they sucked England dry by the end of

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World War One.

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Now they've moved on to us.

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Okay.

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So the British empire moved over here.

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He wrote three different books on it, Winston Churchill, the history of the English speaking

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peoples.

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I've only read one of them.

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I read the latter ones.

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I wanted to know that history.

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Why haven't you read all of them?

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The, you wanted to know the history of the English speaking peoples?

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Why would you?

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Is that what he wanted to know?

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I guess.

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He didn't want to learn the, any other speaking peoples.

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Well, no, I mean like why didn't he, there's three books that, uh, that, uh, tell this,

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uh, this story or whatever.

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Alex is asserting that the British empire got done sucking off the UK or whatever, and

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then it moved over here.

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Right, right, right.

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He uses as a source for this, the three part, the three volume history of the British speaking

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peoples, English speaking peoples by Winston Churchill.

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I've read one of them.

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Alex, your whole thing is that you've read everything.

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Don't admit that you've only read one out of the three books.

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Well, he had to go switch and finish off the history of Chinese philosophy by Dr. Feng

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Yulian.

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I mean, he couldn't not, you know, you can't put that off any further, but I, my, my, my,

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my perspective on this is entirely, you haven't read that one.

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Why don't you just, why not just say all three, even the one that you claimed to have read,

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you still haven't read.

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I don't know what's going on.

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Everything he says he's read is a lie with the exception of like a couple of books and

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most of the science fiction he references.

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Um, well I don't understand.

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In for a penny, in for a pound, lie about it all.

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Who cares?

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Um, so like I told you, he talks about the, the big poo smeared on the wall at CNN or

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that stuff.

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Yeah.

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And that's not the, that's not the most interesting false version of him going to New York.

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Uh, that one comes in second.

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It does because he tries to turn this into like a, uh, uh, a thriller, uh, like a novel,

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a spy thriller.

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Michael Crichton is getting involved here.

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Uh, I don't know.

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Elmore Leonard maybe.

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Oh, we're going full.

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There's a good writer.

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There's some, there's some elements of like noir in this.

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Uh, this is nonsense.

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Uh, this version of, uh, Alex is going to New York, but it's kind of fun.

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One of the main producers was crying and then screaming at me.

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Other women were hyperventilating, men were bowing up and at the end of it going out,

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I'm like, Hey, I'm an American, stop acting tough.

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And I told the security guys are like, come on with us downstairs.

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And I said, I want to go out in the shopping mall exit and I want to go out the back door.

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Bloomberg's people.

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And that guy looked at me knowing he's like, yeah, that's where you're going.

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You're going out there with them.

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I go, I don't want a confrontation.

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And we caught one of the guys on tape.

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I said, do get your camera going.

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They're like, you can't film in here.

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I go, we got to protect ourselves and you're coming out and there's one over here and one

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over here.

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And they literally turn, start talking into the little end pieces, you know, into their

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sleeves.

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The guy turns and then walks into a wall and just starts walking up against the wall and

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dude's like, look at that.

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And then there's other ones like in a gangster movie going, Hey, that's him.

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And I'm like, cab and the cab stops and we jump in and we didn't go back to our hotel.

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We were getting in case when we got there, they had guys in, not the Bellman, they had

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guys in suits that were only at eyes for us.

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And I said, let's get our stuff.

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We went to New Jersey, got on the, uh, our, our flight back there in Newark.

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And I mean, there were feds on the plane.

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Folks.

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And you know, I don't just get up here.

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I go to Bilderberg.

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I get followed by guys in black sedans.

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I've been arrested.

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Yeah.

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You know, Jim Tucker plays it down when he got shot at, and that was in mainstream European

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papers when he was in Portugal, got questioned by the secret service, but I've been physically

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attacked.

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I mean, I don't build this stuff up.

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Let me tell you, my dad calls up and he goes, you need to get out of there.

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I was like, dad, we're already packing.

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I hear there's a lot of candy in New York.

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You've got to get out of there as a dentist.

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And my whole family before I even left said we have a bad feeling and I just want to thank

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you all for your prayers because you know, these were not, these may actually been mafia

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they sent over there.

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But I mean, you know, the police detectives in New York pretty much look like mafia characters

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on a movie anyways.

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This is insanity.

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This is ridiculous.

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This is a level of paranoia and just complete fabrication of what like we saw in the end

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game.

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Wasn't it?

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Was that your, yeah, it was, I can't remember which movie it was.

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The end game or Obama deception.

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They are one movie.

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Yeah.

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They are one movie in a nightmarish hellscape in my memory.

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Yeah.

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But that, that part where he thinks he's being followed and it's just a guy tried to go to

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Chili's.

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You know, there's stuff like that.

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This is your, like the time that you decided to put your evidence publicly forward of someone

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following you.

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And it's that, I don't believe any of your stories now about you being followed.

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All that sort of bullshit.

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So like, I just hear this and I'm like, that's a good story.

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If you want to put that into fiction, if you want to write that into some sort of a novel,

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great.

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That didn't happen to you though.

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I specific, my first parallel to that is Marco Polo bringing back stories of an Island people

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who have no hands or feet and their faces where, where their chests used to be like

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bananas.

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Like, yeah, I get it.

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You're, you're some big old Explorer and you feel like you got to tell people a good old

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story, but maybe you just went to New York and shouted at Piers Morgan.

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That's fine.

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That's still a good day.

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You know what too?

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I think that he's relying at least slightly on knowledge that most of his audience has

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probably never been to New York.

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Oh, of course not.

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Um, and so there is maybe a little piece of it that, uh, is like, I know that you guys

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will believe me on this.

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Yeah.

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That's pretty fucked up.

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It's like a, it's like an Amish person coming back from the rum spring.

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Yeah.

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I saw the, whoa, gentlemen, I don't know where that voice came from.

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Not a good, not a good, not a good, um, I, yeah, except that those people probably wouldn't

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come back and be like feds chasing their versions.

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Uh, they're, they're sort of falsified versions of the outside world might be closer to accurate.

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Um, so Alex says that these detectives are basically mafia in New York.

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Um, and then he talks a little bit more about mafia.

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This country is just in so much trouble, ladies and gentlemen.

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I mean, they're just used to everybody being in fear of them.

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And I'm sorry.

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I mean, I'm from Texas folks and the mafia never did too good down here because people

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would rather die than be your slaves.

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I mean, that's just who I am.

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What about cartels?

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Do you count those as mafia?

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Well, there's that, but he would blame that on Mexico.

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Um, but I, I'd be the first to admit here, Jordan, that, uh, there's not as much mafia

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activity in Texas as there is in say New York.

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And part of that is just due to immigration and settlement patterns, uh, that were seen

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in the 1800s, pretty much everyone from Europe arrived on the East coast and not all of them

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ended up heading any further west from there.

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That's normal.

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That's reasonable.

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Yeah.

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That's, that's, that's a good explanation for why, uh, the mafia, uh, they was formed

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in the Italian communities, uh, didn't end up being as endemic in other cities outside

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of the East coast.

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But that doesn't mean that there wasn't mafia in Texas.

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Salvatore Maceo, uh, created a huge organized crime operation out of Galveston beginning

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in the 1920s as a bootlegging operation, eventually growing to involve all manner of illegal schemes

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protected by bribes to corrupt government officials.

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You gotta diversify.

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That's a good call on his part.

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True.

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Closer where Alex grew up, the Civello crime family was an operation in Dallas from 1921

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to 1990, neatly covering the years when Alex would have been living in Dallas.

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Interestingly, the head of that family, Joseph Civello, was friends with Jack Ruby, the Dallas

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nightclub owner who killed Lee Harvey Oswald after he was arrested for killing JFK.

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That is interesting.

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There have been strong indications that Ruby was involved with the Dallas mafia, but it's

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never been established that that explains why he killed Oswald.

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Though I wouldn't be surprised if Alex has made that argument in the past.

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Why not?

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Also.

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It's on the table.

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Also, the song that Alex sings very frequently when he's coming back from commercial, Eastbound

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and Down, Roundabout and Truckin', there's a line in that song.

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There's beer in Texarkana, the boys are thirsty in Atlanta, but there's beer in Texarkana.

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And the reason for that, now granted, that movie isn't about prohibition times.

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True.

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That movie is about how Coors didn't have preservatives in it, and so it tasted better,

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and people needed to run Coors from states where they could get it to states where it

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was illegal because they didn't have preservatives in it.

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That's why.

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That's why.

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Yes.

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I really don't remember that being a plot point.

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That's why they didn't have Coors in Atlanta.

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Gotcha.

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But they did have it in Texarkana.

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Gotcha.

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Now, so that's not necessarily about prohibition, but it harkens back to those times because

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in Texarkana and around there was where some of this bootlegging operations were run.

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There's a history of that in that part of Texas.

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Yeah, most bootlegging operations were organized crime of some sort or another, not necessarily

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the mafia.

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The reason that that story is more interesting than just a guy who needs to get preservative

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free beer across somewhere is because it has the archetype of these beer runners from prohibition

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times that came from Texas across.

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And that's not all of the prohibition booze running, but it was a piece of it, these families

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in Texas.

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Of course.

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So anyway, Alex should know that if he sings along with Eastbound Down all the time.

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Anyway, the mafia did exist in Texas.

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This next clip, Alex says something that is so crazy and made me waste a lot of time looking

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into.

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They set up these panic tents every flu season for the flu epidemic like it's a movie.

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They do these emergency drills and then they show you these tents and they go, my gosh,

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it's a pandemic.

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Twenty nine states report high flu rate activity.

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At least 18 children die.

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And again, oh my gosh, 18 children.

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Don't ever go out, folks.

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There are three hundred and fifteen million people, most children, and I've had medical

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doctors on and gone over the statistics on this that end up dying, have been filled with

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hundreds of vaccines, already have organ failure.

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Most are amputees, have cancer, you name it.

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And then the cause of death from exhaustion.

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The old days, they would just say exhaustion, malnutrition.

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Now they say flu, because that's the trendy thing.

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They tell you thirty five thousand die a year of flu in the United States.

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Final numbers are about three hundred.

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Why don't pull this up?

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You can go.

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You can go pull this up.

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Go pull it up, Jordan.

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Pull it up.

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OK.

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All right.

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That is crazy.

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It's bananas.

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That's insane.

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Him saying three hundred children die a year is that's still crazy.

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But he didn't say that.

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He said three because he said thirty five thousand deaths a year.

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But that's what they tell you.

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Real death.

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Right.

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And that's sort of in that in the median or like in the middle of, you know, sometimes

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it's lower, sometimes it's higher.

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But that's nuts, man.

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Last year, the number of deaths from the flu and flu related complications was eighty thousand.

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Like that's that's official statistics.

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I would have been more inclined to believe him had he said we talked to doctors and went

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over the statistics and just ended the sentence after most children die and just put a period.

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I'd be like, OK, fine.

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That works.

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They're all dead.

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Most children are dead.

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No doctors.

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So I dug around a little bit.

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I can't find even a nutty Web site that's claiming three hundred people die of the flu

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every year.

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No, because that's ridiculous.

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I have no idea where Alex is getting this information from.

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But if I had to guess, I would say it's probably Dr. Rima Labo, the woman who comes on Alex's

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show and sells laminated cards that say no vaccines, please.

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No vaccines, please.

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She does sound like ground zero for crazy bullshit like she called herself a doctor

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and she sells a thirty five dollar card that says I don't want to be vaccinated.

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It's a good scam.

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And she also hawks nano silver on her Web site, which is a similarity with Alex's market

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business.

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And she's also married to General Stubblebine, who Alex loves.

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All of them are crazy.

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I did also find a post by Barbara Lowe Fisher, another of Alex's stupid anti vaccination

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guests, that seems to suggest that there were only, quote, between six hundred and seven

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hundred fifty influenza deaths recorded annually between nineteen ninety five and nineteen

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ninety seven.

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This post cites CDC information as its source, but the CDC information it links to doesn't

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match this conclusion at all.

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The information she links to isn't even a chart of death totals.

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It's of death rates.

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So the table might.

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So like the table says for one year, eight hundred sixty four is listed as the total.

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But that like for nineteen ninety eight, that's what it says, eight hundred sixty four.

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But that doesn't mean eight hundred sixty four deaths.

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That means eight hundred sixty four per one hundred thousand.

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Right.

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So that's like a large part of context to put put together.

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Well, I don't I don't know if that's like what she's misunderstanding, but it's definitely

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possible because all the information that she links to is that and it doesn't say what

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she claims.

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It says this six hundred and seven hundred fifty flu deaths in these years.

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That doesn't it doesn't make any sense.

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She also posts a link to a table for Mercola that does back up her assertion.

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But the problem is that this Mercola is a shady ass anti vax outlet propaganda depot

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and Mercola uses the same CDC information as a source for their table, as Barbara did

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for hers, which doesn't say what they're saying.

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It says if I had to guess, I would say that this is just an intentional or possibly more

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worryingly and unintentional misunderstanding about the difference between deaths and death

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rates.

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Even so, her fake number is twice what Alex's is.

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So I have no idea what's going on with that.

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Bottom line, this pack of assholes is wrong and what they're saying is super dangerous.

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The flu kills a whole lot of people, particularly children and the elderly.

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That's just the reality.

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So I'm going to go ahead and punt on working anymore to try and figure out where he got

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that three hundred number from, because I can't find it anywhere.

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Bananas.

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Yeah.

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I also also the very concept, the very idea that all medicine across the entire United

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States is conspiring to blame upwards of thirty thousand deaths on the flu that had nothing

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to do with the flu and only three hundred actual children died of the flu.

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The worldwide conspiracy would be unbelievably difficult to even slightly hide.

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Like more than more than one doctor would at least come out and say, you know what,

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I remember none of my patients dying of the flu.

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So I guess none of them are dying of the flu.

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I think that there's probably a conversation you could have, but these people wouldn't

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be willing to have it because it would be nuanced.

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It wouldn't get them excited.

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But the idea of understanding a little bit better how it works in terms of like flu related

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complications and stuff like that, having a better understanding of why those statistics

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are lumped in together.

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People who straight up die because of the flu and flu complications.

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Like understanding that better would be a better use of people's time.

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I think all of these people like Alex, it would be better to do that, but I'd be nice.

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Instead three hundred people died.

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Understanding things is not really their forte.

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And the efforts towards which are actually something that they fight tooth and nail against.

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Creating existential dread of a fake plot against white people.

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That's all that's going on here.

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So stupid.

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So anyway, at this point, sorry, that was kind of a little bit out of left field because

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Alex is bringing that stuff up and ranting about it was also a little bit out of left

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field.

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It just came up as him just ranting about nonsense.

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Now he gets back to CNN and I believe Aaron Dykes is in studio.

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One of his reporters is sitting around with him.

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I'm not sure if he chimes in on this clip or if it's later, but just know that Alex

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has a little bit of an audience in studio for this.

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They're creating this mass guilt that we collectively gun owners, we killed these kids when I meant

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to say this is why I kept getting mad.

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They created the victim's armament zones in those schools.

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Alex, it was great to see someone go in there like Jesus did to the corrupt bankers and

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the old churches in the days of the Bible and turn over the tables and say, this is

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a matrix breaking through moment.

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This whole system.

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Whoa, I never said that in the office.

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I said that to Rob Dew and he said, and I wasn't going to do it, I said, what if I overturned

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the table like Christ?

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And it was almost like then they didn't want to even be at the table.

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It was weird.

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They wanted me out there.

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I guess have a lower view.

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It made me look fatter.

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Okay.

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All right, man.

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Well, a little vein is petty, a little vein.

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I would I would definitely give a Piers Morgan show about an A if they went out of their

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way to make about an A. I don't think they need to.

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But the the idea that first of all, it's crazy that Aaron Dykes is sitting in there and he's

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being like, it's kind of like when Jesus went flip the globalist's tables of the world.

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Hold on.

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Hold on.

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Already, we need to pump the brakes.

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And he's comparing that to what Alex did and then Alex's response.

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I would give an A to the response if Alex was like, now, hold on.

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That's getting a little bit crazy.

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All I did was go in there and have an argument and yell at this guy.

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Instead, he's like, holy shit, I can't believe you said that.

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I never said that at the office.

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I told Rob Dew that's what it felt like.

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Like, oh, God.

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Not only is he like reaffirming and doubling down on the idea that he's like Christ for

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doing this.

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He's like, I can't believe you thought about that because I said it privately earlier.

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You made my beliefs come to life.

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You made them happen.

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You made them true.

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Yeah.

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I manifested that.

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So that's crazy.

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But that gives you some sort of a sense of his messianic beliefs about himself.

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He's talked about going to Israel.

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Yeah.

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And I hope he doesn't because he would get Jerusalem syndrome so fucking bad.

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Oh, like he would know he would think he was Jesus.

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Oh, that's true.

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Yeah.

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He would be.

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Oh, shit.

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Actually, now I do want him to go to Israel because maybe he'll stay there.

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But now that I've said that out loud, I don't know if that's a real thing.

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What?

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Jerusalem syndrome?

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Yeah.

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I've heard it discussed.

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But maybe it's...

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Oh, whether or not it's an actual thing?

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Yeah.

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I think it's a lot.

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I don't know if it's an actual thing, but the way that I've heard it used is very similar

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to people like talking about how Madonna came back with a British accent.

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Right.

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You know, where you're like, all right, lady.

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We got it.

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So this next clip, Alex discusses what happened at the end of the interview with Piers Morgan.

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And much like his version of like, there were detectives following me everywhere, I had

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to get out of that city, skewered for my life.

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This also is not true.

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Piers Morgan threw shit at me.

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He might as well have.

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And I told him, I haven't even told the story yet.

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You're making it up now.

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At the end of it, he said, nope, that's where I'll do the next segment.

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I said, oh, you're checking down?

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He goes, yeah.

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I said, we will defeat your tyranny.

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He laughed at me like, you think you will?

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The first time I saw any life out of him.

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I said, you're nothing but a gangster.

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It's been run to ground here in the United States.

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And pretty soon, nobody's going to want you anywhere in the world.

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You're scum.

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His face just started twitching like this.

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He was like a plastic person.

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I don't think the elite are really rap toys, you know, like some people think, but that's

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fine.

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That's their view.

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But it was almost like he was going to pull a plastic mass on him.

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And he just looked emaciated and they're like wraiths.

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All these globalists you see them, they're like, ugh.

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They're weak.

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Uh, point of order.

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Alex had David Icke on his show two weeks prior to this.

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The idea is like, I don't think the government's reptiles, like some people think, as if you

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have some sort of a fucking high ground on David Icke, the fuck out of here.

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Believe whatever you want, but I don't think they're rap dudes.

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I just think that he's wearing a plastic mask that I can remove to see his face underneath.

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Of course, come on.

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His face was twitching.

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Come on.

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I just think he's a character in Mission Impossible.

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His face was twitching with fear about the integrity and strength that Alex manifested.

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He is so used to people bowing down to his globalist British accent.

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And Alex said, no, sir.

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I will believe the first two sentences of that story, wherein he says, are we done here?

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Are you a coward?

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And Piers Morgan goes, yeah, sure, whatever.

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And then he goes, your fucking reign is over.

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And then Piers Morgan goes, yeah, okay.

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And laughs at his face.

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That is where the story ends for me.

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It definitely feels like whatever it was was dismissive.

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Yeah, very much so.

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So Jordan, here we are, January 8th, 2013.

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We've been doing this investigation into the days after Sandy Hook.

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Not because I wanted to have a real long build to find out how Alex felt about CNN's headquarters.

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That is not why.

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I'm trying to figure out when Alex goes the full mile in being very awful about Sandy

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Hook.

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Okay.

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And he's been pretty bad so far.

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Yeah.

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We've heard him say pretty strongly that he believes that it was at least a false flag.

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Staged.

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In as much as the government came in and like made lands to do it, killed him as a patsy

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or whatever.

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Right.

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So far we still believe people died.

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Yes.

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Now, we always did.

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At this point, Alex is not saying anything that would make you think otherwise.

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Right.

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Here we go.

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Here's what Alex says on the 8th.

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Happy birthday, Dale.

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Thanks.

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By the way, we didn't touch this story.

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But we saw the same thing.

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They have these reenactors that do these fake shootings all over the country to create the

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perception of a mass killing, sometimes unannounced.

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South Florida Sun Sentinel FAU professor shares conspiracy by disputing Newtown Massacre and

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is saying there were at least some actors there.

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They're definitely coaching people.

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I'll say.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I think you're mic's off.

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We'll be right back.

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Looking back.

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So, Alex.

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Why are we playing music that literally sounds ominously like he's about to say that there

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are actors there?

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It's really good.

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Yeah.

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It's almost good production because it feels dreadful.

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It feels like, oh, no, what are you about to do?

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So much so that I didn't notice it like it just felt it felt right.

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Yeah.

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You'd like you thought maybe your head was adding it in there while he was just talking

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regularly.

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Oh, no.

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This is the first indication of where this is going.

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Yeah.

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Like this.

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Oh, yeah.

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This is where the crisis actor narrative is entering his world.

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January 8th, 2013.

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So it only took what?

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Three weeks?

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Yeah, about three weeks.

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Two and a half, three weeks?

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Yep.

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So let's see how this develops over the course of the episode because now that he's gotten

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most of this time has been about talking shit on Piers Morgan.

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Of course.

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And good on you.

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Yeah.

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Enjoy.

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Have fun.

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Again, we're all on board for that.

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Right.

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So at this point about the middle of the show or so, he starts getting into Sandy Hook more

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and he takes some calls.

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And one of the callers that he gets actually brings up a piece of information that will

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be a huge narrative that Alex uses, but it's not yet.

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Yeah.

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Have you noticed how all these reporters when they're supposedly on the scene, it seems

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like they're standing in front of a screen or something like they're in a studio.

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Like whether it's Fox or CBS or MSNBC, all their reporters when they're supposedly on

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the scene, I don't know.

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I mean, to me, it looks like-

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I have CNN footage from the first Gulf war with them with a blue screen cause they sent

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over the live feed before it was added in claiming it was live and they're joking, eating

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food, smoking marijuana.

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Have you seen the fake Iraq war footage CNN style?

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I mean, then it came out, they even had a PBS documentary about it.

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I mean, it's totally, they weren't even in Israel.

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Yeah.

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They even had a director there in one of those tall chairs sitting there.

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I mean, it's a joke.

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A director?

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No, I know.

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There's professors now, you know, coming out in mainstream news, saying that there were

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clearly actors there.

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That's a-

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Again, I haven't touched that.

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I'm going to be honest with you.

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We've looked into it.

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It looks pretty bad.

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Oh no.

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There were clearly some people killed there, but they also, CIA talks about that in North

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Woods, that you have some actors on the scene to actually manage it.

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And it turned out they had actors also at the 7-7 bombing at the bus.

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They even had a drill and they even hired a group to run the drill.

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And that was even admitted.

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I know, it's just I know, and the little sheep can't even understand it.

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I mean, they don't have any idea.

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So that's bad.

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That's not good.

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One of Alex's big Sandy Hook narratives and the quote unquote anomalies that he talks

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about is the idea of Anderson Cooper's nose disappearing and that he's in front of a green

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screen when he's interviewing a Sandy Hook victim's family member.

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Now it's interesting that his justification for believing that is this misunderstanding

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he has about the Gulf War, the green screen thing, which we talked about, is nonsense.

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He just doesn't know what the place where they were reporting from looks like.

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He was confronted with that information in his deposition and he's like, doesn't really

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have an answer for it.

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But you hear the pieces of that narrative here before he has what he needs that narrative

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for, which is the arguing about Anderson Cooper.

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That's fascinating to me.

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The defense is here before that he got an assist that that he's got to know that John

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Stockton called into his show, gave him a narrative that he can use later on for Anderson

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Cooper.

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No, not that the idea that his callers are feeding him stuff that he ends up internalizing

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and using.

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No, that's not surprising to me at all.

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That I think I've seen a bunch.

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Or at least I have good reason to think I've seen a whole bunch of times.

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What I think is surprising is that the caller isn't even talking about Anderson Cooper's

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interview or anything like that.

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He's just talking about this in general and Alex is like, yeah, absolutely.

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I know about that from the Iraq war stuff.

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I don't know.

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I think I see what you're getting at.

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I've heard this conversation that we just listened to a hundred times as justification

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for Anderson Cooper thing.

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We don't have Anderson Cooper yet.

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I've not heard this as a justification for other things.

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As just a standalone.

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No, not really.

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Because right now this is a non sequitur.

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This only exists in Alex's rhetoric, at least in the periods that I've listened to him about

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Anderson Cooper.

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To hear it without Anderson Cooper is weird.

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That is weird.

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That's all I'm saying.

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That's weird.

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What is this guy doing?

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What is the caller up to?

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Who knows?

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But then to hear him say at the end there that, you know, some people died there, but

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some were actors.

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That's not good.

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Yeah.

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That's dipping the toe.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to give him about a C on that one.

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I'm going to give him an F. I'm going to give him a straight up F. You fail.

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This is bad.

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Because he has no reason to say that.

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No.

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Now it's interesting that he talks about actors at the 7-7 bombing and other things.

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Hold on to that thought because we're going to discuss why that's fucked up here in a

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little bit.

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So who was the professor that he was referencing?

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We'll get to that too.

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Oh, okay.

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We'll get to that too.

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Was he a major professor?

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What does that mean?

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Is that a rank?

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Yeah.

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He was tenured.

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Oh, okay.

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So that's kind of a major professor.

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All right.

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I'll give him that.

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I'll give him any of that, I want to dwell on Alex being kind of shitty for a little

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bit.

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I think this next clip is really shitty.

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But see, they even planned for the psy-op to come out because there were real people

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killed there.

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I've looked into it.

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But some of them, and then that way they can trot out the real families who don't know

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and go, look, they really died.

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You see how sophisticated they are?

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And then here I am, just some guy that lives his life fighting this, all of you can beat

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them too.

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I'm not that smart.

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God bless you, sir.

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True.

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I'm not that smart.

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True.

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So the problem that this introduces is, how do you know which ones are fake and which

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aren't?

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You know, like the idea of like, some of these survivors are real, but some of them are fake.

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I believe the Supreme Court said I'll know it when I see it.

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But you know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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That, like back dooring the idea that some people were actors there and then some people

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are legitimate victims.

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All that does is give cover and allow people plausible permission to say anyone is fake

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and anyone is an actor.

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Well, anyone could be an actor, man.

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Exactly.

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So everyone has to be treated like they could be an actor, guilty until proven innocent.

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Until proven otherwise.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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So that mindset is really the only thing that you achieve here.

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You're going halfway towards allowing everyone to be a fucking actor and be fake, but without

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having to take responsibility for that and still be able to hide a little bit like, I

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said that you guys are real victims.

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Some people were.

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I don't know.

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You're just being tricked by the fake ones among you.

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Right.

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Fuck off.

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Why don't you guys wear a fucking button?

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Huh?

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If you don't want to be harassed.

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Or if you are a real victim, you should be on our side against these other fake people.

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Of course.

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The fact that you're not makes me think that maybe you're fake.

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Of course.

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Maybe you're one of the actors if you won't join up with the truth movement.

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How come you aren't pointing out who's actors if you are, if you guys are real?

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Totally.

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Yeah.

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You're so fucked up.

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Also take your mask off.

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Your face is twitching.

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That mentality.

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They're all Piers Morgan actually.

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So what you hear in that clip is Alex saying that he does believe that some people died

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there and some people are actors, but that's a facade.

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That isn't good.

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To me, that clip is him adopting this narrative.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's over.

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Even though he's saying that he believes that some people died there still.

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Why?

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Who cares?

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Yeah.

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That is window dressing.

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That is bullshit to me.

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Now, I still don't think that he's as far as he's going to go.

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Oh, no.

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Of course not.

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But this is a watershed episode, I think.

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And maybe part of it is because he's so tired from going to New York that he's not being

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cautious with this.

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Could be.

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But also the timing of it does match up because an article about this professor was posted

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on Info Wars that day.

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Yeah.

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So maybe it's just one of his interns found this story.

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It's about a week after the professor started talking about Sandy Hook and Crisis Actors.

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I think functionally, once you open up the victims to harassment by association, by saying

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that they may be actors, they are all going to be harassed.

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So functionally, it's no different from saying some are actors or all are actors because

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everybody who's going to receive the consequences of it is already in play.

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100%.

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Yeah.

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It's one of the reasons I'm glad this isn't a legal show or anything like that because

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I don't know if that's illegal.

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I know it's shitty.

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We can look at this and we can see like, oh, wow, OK, here's where the dam broke, basically.

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But I don't know if what he's doing is illegal.

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I still don't.

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At least at this point, I don't know.

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I don't know if it's OK for him to say these things.

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I'd rather he didn't, but I don't know.

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In the court of Douchebaggery, I will pronounce him guilty as fuck.

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I think that's fair.

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So a caller now calls in and asks about the idea that Lanza left his gun in the car or

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one of the guns in the car.

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And Alex gives what appears to be a restrained answer to him and then it goes real bad.

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Anything else, Mike?

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Yeah.

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The best thing is on the Sandy Hook thing, I understood that the A.R. actually stayed

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in the car.

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Can you clarify what actually happened with what was actually used?

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Buddy, I'll tell you this.

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I am not going to tell you what I think because they're waiting for me to do it.

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But I told my entire crew, hold back and just let it all come out and then we'll cover it

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later.

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I told you a lot of stuff I don't get into because I can't 100 percent prove it.

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But my good old boy guts, my spidey sense is never wrong.

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I'm only wrong when I don't follow it.

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South Florida Sun Sentinel FAU professor stirs controversy by disputing Newtown Massacre.

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A communications professor known for conspiracy theories has stirred controversy.

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That means questioning known liars as being conspiracy theorists.

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Wait, what?

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I mean, if you didn't get in the yellow Volkswagen with Ted Bundy, you'd be a conspiracy theorist.

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You probably told young women that, oh, don't worry about me, baby.

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I know there's been some kidnappings and murders, but you're a conspiracy theorist if you don't

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get in the car with me, I mean, I'm going to put this wire around your hands now.

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I got this gun to your head.

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He'd still tell them to don't resist.

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You'll be all right.

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And they still could have fought.

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But they just wanted to believe, OK, everything's going to be all right.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Let me get this gag on you.

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We're going to a shack up in the hills and going to take real good care of you after

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I torture you for two weeks.

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See, not me.

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I'm like, you know what?

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I'm going to keep my guns and I'm not going to put handcuffs on.

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If you believe if you can believe this, he rambles even further off course after this.

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Really?

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Doesn't really get back to after his sort of Ted Bundy fantasies.

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He doesn't really get back on track.

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But the caller is calling in and asking about whether or not this gun was taken into the

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school.

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Alex doesn't know at this point.

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The A.R. was the shotgun was left in the car.

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But Alex doesn't know at this point.

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And so there was that answer of like, I'm not I don't want to say what I think right

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now or whatever.

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That should have been his line all along or entirely.

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It would it should be.

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Let's wait and see what happens.

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Let's wait until the information is out there.

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That sort of thing.

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But without missing a beat after he says, you know, everyone's waiting for me to say

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what I think.

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He gets back to the story of this Florida professor who says people are crisis actors.

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And then the article says that he's a conspiracy theorist.

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And Alex attacks the idea that he's a conspiracy theorist.

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What is what gets him off course into the Ted Bundy fantasy?

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Yeah.

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He has a weird first person narrative that I don't.

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You know, as a as a as a, you know, literary device, I think it's great to be able to get

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inside the mind of your character.

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But from time to time, maybe you're just talking about what you want to do.

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It feels a little like that feels a little personal.

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That caller has the most Info Wars caller voiced.

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Like it's perfect.

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It is exactly what you would imagine, what an Info Wars caller would sound like down

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to the accent, the like the speed of it, the way that he trails off at the end.

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God, that's the perfect Info Wars voice.

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Yeah.

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But I'm less interested in the caller as I am in Alex's the way his brain is chaining

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these thoughts, whether or not it's intentional or completely subconscious.

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I think that it's a pretty strong indication that what he wants his audience to think he

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believes is mirrored by what this professor is saying.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It feels from a structural standpoint of how that that train went down the tracks.

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That seems to be what he's saying.

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I don't think that's an unfair assumption.

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No, he's playing coy.

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He was reading through the article whenever it came upon them questioning why he was saying

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what he was saying.

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Right.

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He was like, anybody who questions the official story is considered a conspiracy theorist.

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It's kind of like saying, I'm about to question the official story.

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I'm getting in front of you calling me a conspiracy theorist.

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And in this next clip, I think you can get another pretty strong sense that Alex agrees

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with this professor.

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Moreover, James Tracy, only get him on a search in radio interviews and on his memory hole

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blog dot com.

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I think I've heard of that.

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That trained crisis actors.

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Well, we knew this weeks ago that.

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Well, we actually knew it years ago, we said reporters that they have these crisis actors

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that go all around the country and they tell the kids it's a real shooting when it's happening.

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All you do then is run a drill and well, you know, the rest of the story.

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Many have been employed by the Obama administration in an attempt to shape public opinion in favor

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of the events.

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True purpose gun control.

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Yeah.

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They come in and announce AP can look this up.

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We're homeschoolers against public education and pro gun.

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We're here to kill you.

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And they go put guns to like six year olds heads.

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I mean, and if you're a new listener, you're like, I don't believe that.

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Or if you're media, you got Lexis Nexus, you got all the systems.

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Just go look it up.

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Yeah, we did.

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You're lying.

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But so that really gives me a strong sense that Alex is trying to.

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I think it feels like he's responding the way he does a lot of times when something

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new comes up.

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It's like, I've known this for a long time.

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Almost trying to one up it like we saw him do that with QAnon with a fake Zach is intelligence

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or Zach trying to reclaim the queue storyline.

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It feels like he's getting ready to do that with this.

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Yeah.

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I think the way that this professor has come up in his world and saying like there's these

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crisis actors who are actually what's going on.

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This whole thing is fake.

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I think Alex might take that as a little bit of an affront and be like, I've known that

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forever.

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Yeah.

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Which is a problem.

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That sounds like a normal kind of progression for him where he wouldn't, he would never

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have gone that far or it's possible he would have gone that far.

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But the impetus is almost always for him to like kick the ball another 10 yards down the

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way is because somebody else went a little bit further than him.

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Yeah.

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Like it's an evolutionary arms race for him going back and forth with everybody.

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But whether it's evolutionary and motivation or some sort of just like acknowledgement

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that he has internally that if he doesn't, he doesn't have a place in the market.

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Like whatever it is, like, you know, I need to be more extreme than other people or else

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what good am I?

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Like I'm not, I'm not interesting as a news reader.

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I'm interesting as someone who's more crazy than other people.

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That's true.

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So if someone is coming in with this level of crazy, I, oh boy, that I'm screwed.

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That's not good.

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So Alex keeps spreading, he's been bringing up this Florida professor who is at FAU, Florida

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Atlantic university.

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This guy's name is James Tracy and I believe that this episode is the official beginning

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of the crisis actors narrative on Alex's December 19th episode from 2012 we heard Alex suggest

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that Robbie Parker was acting like an actor in his press conference.

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That was pretty troubling, but it also came a bit off like a, like it was a stray thought.

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Now with the introduction of James Tracy into the proceedings, we have a, we have Alex taking

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these ideas much more seriously.

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In late December 2012, a number of very obscure blogs were starting to propagate the theory

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that victims and survivors of the shooting at Sandy Hook were actors.

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They're basing this off a website run by a theater group called Vision Box who offered

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crisis actors for hire.

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They offered experienced actors who could improvise within the framework needed for

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the drills that they would be included in.

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This isn't anything new.

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They were usually called role players in the past and they've been used in these sorts

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of situations forever.

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The only thing that was different about this, it seems is that the name was new crisis actors.

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And it was sounded like something that was way scarier and people latched onto it.

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Yeah, it really does.

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It really is an unfortunate name.

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Well, one of the things I was reading over a bunch of like people who were emergency

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responders and they were discussing the use of role players and crisis actors.

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And one of the things is like, especially for medical first responders, you need someone

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who can act because you know, like if you're running a scenario where for training purposes

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and like you have people who are first responders who were showing up and someone is like, I

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have a heart attack that doesn't help them diagnose on the fly.

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But if someone is able to have like the present showing my arm is jangling in this certain

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way, then you can use that.

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Otherwise you could have little clues of how diseases or a condition presents allow for

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people.

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So the idea of using actors in situations like that is obviously exactly what you would

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do.

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And it's not something that's uncommon or hasn't been the case for a very long time.

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But the calling it crisis actors and these people offering them on their website made

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people create a bunch of bullshit ideas.

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Oh, that's so annoying.

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So that was in late December 2012.

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These weird obscure blogs started talking about it.

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And at that point, most of the attention being paid to this sort of idea was coming from

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sources that were decidedly on what I would call the project Camelot side of the spectrum.

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Motherboard did a little bit of a deep dive into this and they point out early instances

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of the crisis sector argument came from particularly one place was off planet radio website.

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And they had a blog post that said, quote, the post said that Sandy Hook was a drill

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alongside the suggestion that, quote, the time stream aspect is more compelling given

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the interval of seven days prior to the December 21st 2012 solstice.

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Ritual bloodletting is the Cabals method for intoning power prior to key time events.

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There it is.

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Especially when coordinated to lunar and solar based events.

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It's important to coordinate your lunar and solar based events.

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Right.

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So you have this idea being a part of a lot of websites like that that are that are like

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they're talking about this being part of time streams and the Mayan apocalypse type shit

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like tying in a lot of these sorts of ideas.

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And that's how the seed of this theory germinated.

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But it wasn't where it stayed.

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On a January 1st 2013 post on his blog, James Tracy wrote, quote, after such a harrowing

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event, why are select would be family members and students lingering in the area and repeatedly

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offering themselves for interviews?

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A possible reason is that they are trained actors working under the direction of state

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and federal authorities and in coordination with cable and broadcast network talent to

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provide tailor made crisis acting that realistic realistically drives home the events tragic

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features.

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James Tracy, by virtue of being a college professor, legitimized these ideas and helped

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take them out of the world of what I would call chocolate loving raptors and into a world

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of things college professors think are worth considering.

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Yeah, it's a very big difference to have lunatics on time stream type blogs, even though you

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can have lunatics who are college professors, you bet.

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But it gives the veneer of credibility.

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It gives me we know one very intimately well.

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Yeah.

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The veneer of respectability and plausibility had been added with the inclusion of a college

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professor, as well as amplifying the theory well outside the obscurity that it was in

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before.

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As Motherboard points out, quote, a search on Google Trends aligns with this timeline.

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Searches for crisis actor only register on the site after Tracy's blog post.

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Motherfucker.

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Right.

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God damn it.

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But James Tracy's reach isn't even close to what Alex's was at this point.

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Alex Jones discussing the professors, quote, reporting is a major piece of the crisis actor

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narrative spreading.

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And based on what I can tell, I think it's a really troubling development to see this.

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Even Tracy's writing about the topic didn't raise it to a level where you might call that

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sort of an idea culturally relevant.

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But the signal boost that comes from that theory being discussed as if it had any credibility

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on Alex's show is huge.

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I support strong teachers unions.

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I mean, he was a tenured professor.

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Exactly.

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Here's what I'm saying.

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I think tenure is absolutely necessary and important.

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And maybe we should also have in the contract, if you deny a major shooting happened, then

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10 years revoked.

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Well, he did get fired.

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OK.

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He would go on to be fired from his position at FAU.

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But after he challenged his firing, a jury ruled that his firing wasn't the result of

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his posts denying Sandy Hook.

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And thus, it wasn't a First Amendment issue and the firing was accurate and correct.

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See, he was a tenured professor, and as such, he knew about the rules in place that said

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he needed to report other sources of income to the university, which his blog qualified

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as, since it brought in the required level of money.

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Additionally, he used university equipment to record his personal podcast without reporting

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that to the school.

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They fired him for not following their rules, not because of the disgusting things he said

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while not following said rules.

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Right.

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There is a difference.

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Tracy uses the exact same arguments as Alex does about how he's just questioning things.

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Some of his questioning techniques have been sending Lenny Posner a certified letter demanding

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proof that his son was ever alive and that he was actually his father.

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This was in response to Posner filing a copyright claim on one of the pictures of his son that

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Tracy was using to push his conspiracy theories.

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When Posner didn't agree to his bullshit demands, Tracy used the non-response as evidence that

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people are covering things up and that they have something to hide, because if they didn't

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have something to hide, how hard would it be to prove that that was your son?

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Fuck you.

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Exactly.

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That's how hard it is.

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Go fuck yourself.

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Exactly.

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What James Tracy was involved in was harassment, pure and simple.

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He was directly harassing victims' families, and Alex Jones gave his ideas a platform and

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helped spread them.

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On January 8th, 2013, Alex and Infowars posted a write-up of Tracy's theories on their website.

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And since then, he's been cited as an expert on Infowars in tons of articles, ranging from

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covering crisis actors at the Boston bombing to just weird opinions about Egyptian politics.

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Not sure exactly what's going on there.

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CC?

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I don't know.

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As recently as November 2017, Infowars has posted articles discussing his firing as being

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a free speech issue and amplifying the perception of James Tracy's persecution.

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God damn it.

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This is all a load of bullshit, and I would say that I bet anything that Tracy will show

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up as a guest in the near future, but that would be unfair because I already know that

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he does.

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Well, of course.

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Of course.

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Of course he does.

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Yes.

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How could you not?

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We got the kid who smashes fucking piggy banks.

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Of course we're going to get Tracy on.

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The meme kid.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we're going to get that.

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That's this guy.

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I will say, the only thing I have to say regarding Tracy's firing is that, yes, he did get fired

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and he did not follow the rules, but there are probably ways where they could have given

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him a slap on the wrist as opposed to completely firing.

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I would say that denying a school shooting is probably a factor in why they enforce those

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rules so strongly.

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I would say that it possibly is, and I don't really give a shit.

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Me neither.

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I wanted him to be fired without it.

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I wanted him to be fired for it.

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One of his arguments is, they didn't like me because I said these things and they wanted

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me gone, and to me, I just hear that and I think, well, then you fucked up even worse.

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Exactly.

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If you're going to be saying this shit, that these victims are actors and stuff like that,

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fill out your fucking paperwork.

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You better be squeaky clean.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You should cover your bases if you're going to be a dick.

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That's important, because otherwise... That's a t-shirt.

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Well, because then you open up the door for them to fire you for cause, whereas if you

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hadn't done the thing that they can fire you for, then you could say this shit, and if

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they did fire you, then you would have a free speech argument.

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There you go.

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Because you didn't, because you're so fucking stupid, which is probably why you're doing

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this in the first place.

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Yeah, which is why you're believing this shit in the first place.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Now, the other thing, I told you to keep-

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They flow from each other, yes.

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I told you to keep in mind the 7-7 bombing and that sort of thing, where Alex is saying

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that actors were used there and stuff like that.

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After these blogs and James Tracy started to talk about crisis actors being used at

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Sandy Hook, the ideas started to work backwards.

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People started to make theories after these ideas came out about past events having actors

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at them.

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I did not know that.

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They weren't used when those actual events happened.

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They're retconning.

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Exactly.

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Bullshit.

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You can't do that.

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There are arguments that are starting at around this time that relate back to past events

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as opposed to, we talked about it back then.

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Bullshit.

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Yeah.

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Bullshit.

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I call foul.

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There should be a propaganda board where you at least have to be like, no, no, no, we can't

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do that one.

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Right.

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I think that Alex probably did talk about the idea of, well, actually, I know he did.

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He'd talk about people doing the shootings were an actor or something like that.

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Not an actor necessarily, but someone who was put up to it.

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A patsy.

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Right.

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That sort of idea.

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A Manchurian candidate type of idea or something like that.

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They put all the vaccines in him and they give him the bipolar medications and then

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he's just shooting people.

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Right.

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Those sorts of arguments and he's used arguments of false flags, whole cloth of like that.

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You think it's this party, but it's actually a different party who's doing it to rile up

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antagonism against the party you think it is.

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Right.

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That's sort of an idea, but the idea that there were actors who are victims and stuff

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like that, I don't remember hearing that in other times prior to this in Alex's coverage

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of other things.

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You know what?

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I think it's really interesting because it never occurred to me like it never occurred

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to me to think about whether or not I'd heard the crisis actor narrative before Sandy Hook

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because I was always just like, I just assumed if we had heard, if we were hearing the crisis

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actor narrative around Sandy Hook, that means that I've probably heard it before, but I

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don't remember anybody.

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Yeah, you're right.

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I don't remember anybody calling like nobody at Columbine was a crisis actor.

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I think they were after 2013.

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They were after 2013.

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I don't know if, and I would be real stupid to sit here and tell you that this was absolutely

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the beginning of it because I bet that those sorts of ideas did live somewhere, but the

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popularization of it and the application of it to past events absolutely did happen.

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And again, I can't say for certain that Alex is 100% doing that, but I know that the conspiracy

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world did engage in that behavior and it follows that Alex probably did do some of it in terms

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of rewriting some of his narratives to fit this new hot conspiracy angle.

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Yeah.

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That's, because it's just, it seems like one of those things where it is a fun factory.

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Like when did the crisis actor thing start?

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And then they find a newspaper from 1910.

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Well the name certainly didn't happen until this point because it was based on this vision

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box organization that was offering crisis actors.

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So the very idea there, it can't have existed before this point.

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That's fascinating.

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But the thematic pieces behind it, some of them could have existed in various places,

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but not to the level that it did afterwards.

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And as somebody who was hanging around conspiracy blogs and message boards around this time,

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I do remember it like taking off like wildfire and being a new idea.

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Like I remember the idea of crisis actors coming up and it being like, oh, this is something

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new to look into as opposed to like being like yet again, that sort of thing.

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So I mean, it's really weird to think about and I'll definitely do more looking into this

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as we go along because now that it's in Alex's like oeuvre.

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That box is open and it's never closing.

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No, I don't think so.

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No, we're having, we're stuck with crisis actors until there are no more actors.

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Yeah.

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So Alex gets another caller who wants to talk about Sandy Hook and man, I don't think this

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is good.

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Gary in New York.

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Call me Gary.

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Thanks for holding brother.

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What's going on, Mr. Jones?

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I was praying for you last night.

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I need the prayers.

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It was pretty crazy.

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You went to New York.

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That was it.

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When you put it on late at night, it was, I wouldn't put it past the CNN or NYPD.

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I just had a couple CNN comments that tie into my Sandy Hook comment, even though I

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know you said you didn't really want to touch on it too much.

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Well, I mean, here's the deal.

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We've seen about 12, 13 smoking guns that are just, each one of them, look, look, look,

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the Batman shooting, I'll say totally staged on drugs now confirmed DARPA mind control.

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I mean, the guy's in a mind control program where the department of defense DARPA brain

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interface grant, I mean, and I just keep going from there.

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So look, the good news is you guys have all figured it out.

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So just go with it, brother.

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Go ahead.

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That's a really bad end to that response now.

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That's no good.

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So Alex is saying that we have 10 to 13 or whatever smoking guns about Sandy hook.

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That's a lot of smoking guns.

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So usually you only need one.

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You would assume that that is him saying this whole fucking fake shit.

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Yeah, exactly.

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He's saying that the Aurora shooting is fake.

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So that is trying to transpose that idea onto Sandy hook.

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And then at the end he says, you all have it figured out.

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So go with it.

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Everything that you believe is 100% correct.

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I don't even need to bother.

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Now go with it.

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Go ride.

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What does that mean?

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Get on out of there.

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Give them a call.

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Go bother some people.

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Go find out who's who.

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Go send certified letters demanding that people prove their children are their children.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And give me a money order while you're at it.

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And also be awesome.

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That's all I'm asking you to do.

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Be best.

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Yeah, be best.

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So in this next clip, Alex gets off that Sandy hook topic and he starts rambling about how

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he knows Charlie Sheen.

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Not that, not that.

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Well that's fun.

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Not that interesting, but he talks about one time he was on the phone with Denise Richards

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because he was hanging out with Charlie Sheen and he's like, Hey, you want to talk to Denise?

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So Alex gets the phone and he accidentally insults her without knowing it.

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Last time I talked to her, Charlie Sheen sitting there was sitting around his pool and he hands

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me his phone.

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He says, say, how did Denise?

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They talk all the time.

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And I'd been there like six months before.

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And I said, cause I knew her pugs, it stays at both houses.

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I said, how is this a bug?

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I forget the name.

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I'll pop my head in a minute.

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I got pictures of them and stuff.

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Real sweet pugs.

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I like dogs.

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And the phone goes click.

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And then I handed the phone back to Charlie and he kind of went, eh, he's the kind of

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guy that doesn't really say anything.

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He was on heroin.

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And then like a month later, I'm in the grocery store and it's something about her prized

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pug dying.

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And it was that pug.

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Oh.

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Why am I even telling the story?

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Cause I am sleep proud.

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I'm going into the fourth hour, ladies and gentlemen.

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That's the kind of stuff that I worry about.

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I like, Oh my God.

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Pugs?

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Richard's.

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I haven't talked to since that was like a year ago or something more than that.

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Thanks.

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I made a joke about her.

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Dead dog.

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Oh, that dog's name is going to pop in my head as soon as I'm off air anyways.

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Get that dog's name out your mouth.

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All I hear is guilty conscience.

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Alex killed that dog.

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That's my theory.

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I have it from good DHS sources that Alex killed Denise, Richard's dog, Denise Homeland

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security.

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Yeah.

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And then he called her and gloated about it.

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How's your dog doing?

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Obviously I don't believe any of that, but it is crazy how much dead dogs there are so

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many dead dogs on Alex's show.

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How is it possible that dead dogs just, they, they come up way more than like would be statistically

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reasonable.

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You think?

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It's nuts.

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You think a lot?

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You think?

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I mean, I don't know how we've never talked about dead dogs.

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Not outside of Alex talking about dead dogs.

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That's fair.

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Yeah.

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Alex has a, do dogs die when they're around Alex for a length of time?

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You know what I just realized as we're listening to this and I'm like, Alex talks about dead

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dogs all the time.

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It's like, yeah, Dan, all you're doing is cutting out every time Alex talks about a

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dead dog.

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Not true.

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Cause recently Alex talked about doing this exact same thing that he's talking about with

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Denise Richards to Jake, Logan Paul.

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He killed Logan Paul's dog?

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Well, maybe.

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Okay.

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Legit.

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When Alex was on Logan Paul's show, he brought up, or he made some joke about his dog and

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Logan Paul's dog had just been eaten by coyotes.

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What?

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Yeah.

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So no, that's awful.

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So now we know that allegedly Alex can control coyotes.

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No what I'm saying is that he talks about dead dogs even more than we talk about him

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talking about them.

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That's crazy.

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That's nuts.

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Pretty wild.

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So Alex is, you know, earlier he said that, you know, 13 smoking guns, Sandy Hook and,

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you know, Aurora was fake and therefore Sandy Hook was fake.

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In this next clip, he gets like a really fundamental piece of information wrong about the Aurora

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shooting and it makes me think that maybe I'm not going to trust you about other stuff.

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And it goes on.

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He's charged 166 counts of murder, attempted murder, Billy killed 166 people and that's

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interesting.

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I thought it was 14, but it's 12.

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The reason that he said attempted murder, there was a bunch of people in that fucking

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theater.

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Yeah.

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That's what, what are you trying to be glib about here and then get the number wrong.

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If you don't know how many people died in this event that you're weaving a massive conspiracy

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about, I don't believe you about the other details.

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I know that it seems like a trivial thing, the difference between 12 and 14, but if you

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study this stuff, if you're researching it the way that Alex says he is, then you know

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that you know, these trivial details, like if you and I were extemporaneously talking

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about Sandy Hook and you said that 29 or 30 people died or something like that, I wouldn't

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think that that was an indication that you don't know anything about it.

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It's an indication that you don't study it.

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You're not putting forth some sort of a crazy theory about Sandy Hook.

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You have permission to be off about slight details.

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Yeah, I got the detail wrong because I didn't really pay, I didn't really read into it before

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we did this show.

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I would rather you know details, but the fact that you don't doesn't mean that it's a damning

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indictment of your opinions about X, Y, or Z.

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So long as I get the gestalt idea behind it, whatever my theory is.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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But it is a damning indictment for Alex.

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For sure.

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I mean, if you, I just, I can't, I can't handle this.

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Also, if I understood correctly, was he, was he marveling that there were 166 counts of

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murder and attempted murder, but only in his words, 14 people died.

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Does he not realize that if you open fire on a closed movie theater, you have committed

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attempted murder on everyone in that movie theater?

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I think he doesn't understand that.

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He doesn't understand that even if you weren't shot or even come close to getting shot.

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That could just be a reading comprehension issue though.

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That could be.

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Like, cause he's, he's, he even says attempted murder.

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He even says attempted murder.

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Right.

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I think he's probably just dumb.

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Everybody in that movie theater, let alone just, yeah, all of them were attemptedly murdered.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, he gets back to complaining about Sandy Hook stuff and he talks about

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how RT is criticizing him a little bit because as we know, he's mad at RT at this point because

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he hasn't been allowed back on yet.

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And he will be on in a couple of weeks, I believe.

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Yeah.

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I'm not, I don't remember the exact date that he goes back on Max Keiser's show, but it

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hasn't happened yet.

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So he's still mad.

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Still mad.

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Gotcha.

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And this is some of the other early conspiracy narratives that he's weaving.

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Some of these shows like, like the RT show was like, Oh, you know, Alex Jones and people

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said there's multiple shooters.

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Those were five year olds that saw that.

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No, it's helicopter video.

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It's on record.

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And they won't say who got arrested.

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I heard the police dispatches.

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They're talking about two shadows running by how they have the one guy detained, but

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there's others in there.

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That's police.

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It's not five year olds.

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Yeah.

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You're missing, you're misinterpreting all that stuff though.

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And I mean, RT said that on the day of Sandy Hook, they said that Adam Lanza worked at

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the school.

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Well, they didn't have his name or anything, but they said that the shooter worked at the

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school.

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So like, who cares?

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Like, Oh, you can't defend yourself for making a conspiracy out of misreporting at the immediate

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aftermath of something like this.

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You have to give enough, you have to be enough of an adult to understand that some details

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are going to be wrong, particularly in police scanners because they are raw.

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Just people responding to like, check this out, check this out.

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We need, we need bodies over there or whatever.

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And when they say two shadows, that could be the two reporters that were in the woods

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or the two reporters were trying to get to the school or Peter Pan lost his again, right.

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Or Brogan flying over fucking knows there are explanations for all of these things.

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But in the time before those explanations are publicly known, Alex is able to do this

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sort of bullshit with it.

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And that's sad.

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It is.

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Um, but you know, at least we don't really support this kind of stuff as a country.

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It's good to know that, you know, shows the, that spend all of their time debunking lies

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and making sure that things are taken care of are really prominent and shows that lie

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about things are unsuccessful.

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You know why we're fucked though?

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Because, because we don't spend all of our time talking about Piers Morgan.

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Like we, and I, I mean that specifically and generally metaphorically and literally because

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literally we should spend all our time talking about Piers Morgan being an asshole or ratings

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would go up.

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But more metaphorically, Alex has this kind of embarrassing incident happen on CNN where

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he yells at Piers Morgan and then he spends most of this episode just talking shit on

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Piers Morgan and being like, that guy's a fucking asshole.

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They tried to kill me in New York.

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They tried to fucking kill me.

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I had a stare down with him after the interview when his producer was crying and I told him

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that you'll never take down the Republic.

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All this stuff.

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If we did that metaphorically with our everyday lives, you know, like we could go, we could

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go all the, you know, just, I don't know.

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We gotta, we gotta really ramp up our creative nonfiction.

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I go to the store and some guy comes up to me and says something and I turn it into like

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standing up for truth, some bullshit.

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If we did that, then I think that we probably have a lot more allure.

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That would make a small talk a lot more interesting for sure.

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Definitely.

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We were lying all the time.

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Hey, how you doing today?

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I just fought off three men in the grocery store and they were Info Wars fans and they

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had, they had gullets around their necks and they were, they were hung before I knew they

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were ghosts.

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I went to Home Depot to buy some seeds and almost didn't make it out of there.

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The plant tried to eat me.

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I drove two miles over to South Bend and I was killed.

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Pray for me.

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So the other thing that Alex does that's very successful, probably from a ratings standpoint,

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is spend a lot of the episode in a Piers Morgan British affectation doing an accent.

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Yeah, well of course.

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And also he can't stop calling him a snot nose.

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Just talks about snot noses and talking about like worshiping the snot in his nose and stuff

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like that.

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Worshiping the snot in the...

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He loses track of what he...

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He's the great fartlejub or whatever it is?

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Whatever.

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Yeah.

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He's the cut of all the times Alex said snot nose, but I didn't need to because he kind

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of did it for me.

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I love this Forbes, this is another snot nosed article.

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They think because it's snot nose and all the other snot noses go to like their snot

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nose cult.

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They go, where's snot nosed?

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I mean literally it's just like, we'll be snot nosed.

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There's no tyranny in America.

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They're not taking any of our rights.

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Alex Jones is bad.

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And then they drink from Piers Morgan's snout.

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So that, I mean, that should give you a sense that 20 seconds is pretty indicative of a

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lot of him.

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He says snot nose probably a hundred times in this fucking episode.

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That is an uncreative insult.

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Yes.

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Drinking out of Piers Morgan's nose.

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Yeah.

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So we...

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That's good imagery, I suppose.

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Not good.

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But I can really see it.

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I don't enjoy it.

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So we have here the eighth, I think is the turning point in Alex's coverage of Sandy

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Hook in particular, because we're seeing this professor being introduced to the proceedings

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and we're seeing him amplify this and respond to it in a way that indicates to me an adoption

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of some of his ideas.

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Now we'll have to see exactly how it plays out.

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And I wanted to by looking at January 9th, which we'll get into now, but instead of continuing

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that stuff, he really just continues talking about Piers Morgan.

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God damn it.

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It's almost like, it's almost like he doesn't even have, like the whole Sandy Hook stuff

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is tossed off.

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It's just like, oh yeah, this is all there, but my show is really about shit talking Piers

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Morgan.

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Well, it's not as big of a priority for him because Sandy Hook is important to him as

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a way for him to get attention to himself and mythologize his own quote unquote battle

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or whatever in support of gun rights.

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There's much more publicity at this point in him doing stuff with Piers Morgan than

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there is in Sandy Hook stuff.

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So he puts that a little bit on the back burner, well, not ignoring it necessarily, putting

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it on the back burner in order to get really into the mud with Piers.

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Because on the eighth, the evening of the eighth, Piers Morgan did another episode of

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his show and a lot of it was talking about how Alex Jones was a huge asshole.

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God, they're both stupid.

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They're both fucking stupid.

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But they're both trying to get the same thing out of it, basically.

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I know, I know, it's so stupid.

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Right, but they're trying to do as much as they can to make their argument with the same

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source material.

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So Piers Morgan has people on to talk about Alex as stupid and all this stuff and he's

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an asshole for yelling at him, and then Alex on the ninth covers Piers Morgan talking about

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him on the eighth and talking about it, they're so scared of me, and stuff like that.

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Throw them both off a meteor into the sun, Christ.

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It's a stupid propaganda dance, but it is kind of contained a little bit.

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You know, it's not like most people are interested in the conversation they're having, but that

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doesn't...

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A lot of snot noses are, though.

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Totally.

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A lot of them.

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A lot of them drinking out of everybody's noses.

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And that gives Alex the appearance or the idea that he is the biggest thing in the world.

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All right, ladies and gentlemen, the biggest story in the country right now is my appearance

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Monday night on Piers Morgan.

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Last night, The Daily Show responded, Conan O'Brien responded.

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So he's the biggest story in the world because The Daily Show and Conan have made fun of

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him.

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Yep.

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That's not making you...

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You're not the biggest story, you just were real easy as a target and maybe the writers

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wanted to go home.

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They wanted to check out at five and Alex being a dick writes itself.

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Maybe Conan didn't even have enough jokes and so he just said, what else is in the news

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today?

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Oh, Alex Jones is a dick.

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Fine.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And I think that they fell into a little bit of a trap because that's exactly what Alex

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would want because it metastasizes the making fun of him and, you know, it works as free

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press for him.

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But I also don't think there's anything wrong with making fun of him.

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No, that's fine.

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You have to understand it's a delicate game, but you also, if you don't understand it back

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in 2013, every reason to not understand it, like it's a very, like a very forgivable thing.

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So he's not the hugest story in the world.

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He is easy to mock.

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So on Piers Morgan's show, he has the relative of somebody who died at Aurora on to talk

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about how, you know, you get the call late at night.

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Piers Morgan has somebody on, Piers Morgan has somebody on his show.

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Yes.

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Gotcha.

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Who's the relative of a victim of the Aurora shooting.

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And a lot of the conversation is about how, you know, you don't want people, the experience

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of waking up to a call that your loved one is dead is something that no one should have

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to go through.

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And he specifically says that I would never want Alex to have to experience that sort

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of thing.

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And that's why we work to keep guns out of the hands of people who would possibly do

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something like this.

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Which I assume Alex takes as a personal insult.

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Not only that, a threat.

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Yes.

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Gotcha.

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But we'll get to that when we get to it.

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Because here's what Alex says about this guy who, whose family member was killed in Aurora.

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And our internet's not working too good for whatever reason.

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He's talking about last night, he was hanging out with his family and there was a storm

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in Austin.

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The internet's not working so well.

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He's just laying a scene.

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And so I go, okay, I guess we'll watch Piers Morgan.

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So we're watching it on the computer and they've got the first guest on going, gee, I hope

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Alex Jones' kids don't get killed.

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And the guy just comes off like an absolute scripted actor.

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Just my view on it.

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I feel sorry for his loss or whatever, but it's one of the victim's families from Aurora.

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I feel sorry for his loss or whatever.

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He came off as a super scripted actor.

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Yep.

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That's a man showing genuine empathy right there.

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Boo to that.

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I feel sorry for Denise Richards' pug or whatever, I don't fucking care.

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Right.

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So also on the ninth here, Alex says this about Sandy Hook.

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They've got 11 different bills turned in to do background checks and huge federal taxes

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to buy ammo, try to make you register ammo you already have.

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I mean, this is it.

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And they're probably going to stage some more shootings.

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This has all the looks, the last two, Colorado and Sandy Hook being partially or all staged.

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Okay.

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Oh boy.

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So I mean, whatever.

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It comes down to this idea to like there, this is still early and Alex is getting comfortable

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with it.

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And so you do expect him to say stuff like that, partially or fully staged.

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You're not really entirely sure where the money is, what's the angle we're going to

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go with.

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And I don't think that we, until this episode necessarily, really nailed down something

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that I've been feeling but hadn't articulated.

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And that is for someone like Alex, the difference between saying it's partially and entirely

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staged is negligible.

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The effect of it, it doesn't matter because you are inspiring the same sort of this isn't

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real.

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You can't be trusted as an experiencer of this, as a survivor, as a family member because

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you might be one of the bad ones.

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And that sort of idea is pretty dangerous.

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Right.

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So I feel as we see this episode, the crisis actor narrative be introduced and Alex say

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pretty consistently, Sandy Hook is partially or totally staged.

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It doesn't matter.

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There will come a point where it gets to like, this is all fucking bullshit.

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Like he will get to that point in his rhetoric, but this is the line for me.

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Yeah.

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No, that's what I was saying earlier.

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The consequences are the same.

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So it doesn't really matter what the different specific words are, it's still going to result

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in the same harassment.

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I think there's nuance for our like sort of academic interests, but realistically it doesn't

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really matter that much.

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This is already way on the wrong side, which makes it all the worse that Alex in this next

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clip declares himself the leader of the Liberty Movement.

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Oh, that's not good.

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I never wanted to be the real leader of the Liberty Movement.

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Ron Paul is more of a statesman, but he's 76, 77 now.

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What is he?

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76.

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Look up his age.

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And unfortunately for all intents and purposes, I am the leader because other people like

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Ted Nugent, others, they don't get the whole picture.

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Yeah.

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I agree with that.

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Ted Nugent doesn't get the whole picture.

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Put, throw Ted Nugent under any bus, please.

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I am fine with it.

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That might indicate that he's not answering Alex's calls at this point.

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The trend seems to be that.

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So Alex is the head of the Liberty Movement.

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Yeah.

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What?

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Who?

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The whole one?

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All of it.

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The whole one.

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Everybody moving for Liberty or is he talking about a specific Liberty Movement?

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The crazies.

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The crazies.

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Gotcha.

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Ron Paul actually does have an appearance on this episode, but it's pointless.

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So even Ron Paul shows up on the episode and he's like, this dude doesn't lead shit anymore.

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He's too old.

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How you doing Ron?

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He's retired from the house.

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Right.

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No, of course.

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Fuck him.

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He's not doing shit.

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Fair enough.

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So Alex is interviewed, but they don't really talk much about Sandy Hook or any of that

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stuff.

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Ron Paul talks a little bit about economic stuff and then they talk shit on Glenn Beck

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a little.

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That's fine.

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So it's kind of like, who cares?

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I'm a big fan of this episode so far being just Alex shit-talking other people I hate.

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Well, I mean, there is some of that if you take out the Sandy Hook stuff.

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Yeah, I would prefer that was there.

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He was just like, RT sucks, Glenn Beck sucks.

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Go fuck yourself, Chris Morgan.

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I'm in.

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I'm in.

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Ron Paul, I love you, but you're worthless now.

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It's all fucking me.

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Yeah.

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So then he has Larry Pratt from Gun Owners for America on again and it's just more like

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they want to take your gun stuff, but there's nothing substantive in it about what we're

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looking at.

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Yeah.

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It's just gun paranoia.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So we can skip over that.

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So Piers Morgan's episode on the eighth did include an instance of really inappropriate

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behavior on Piers Morgan and his guests part, but I also think it's a misunderstanding.

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Now I'll get into what I mean on the other side of this, but I think Alex has one of

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his only complaints that I think is legitimate, but he's also making way more out of this

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than he needs to.

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He didn't shake my hand.

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Buzz Bissinger, this darling on the left, and when he talks about killing me, he looks

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like he's about to have an orgasm.

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I'm serious.

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These people, seeing that Facebook, these people are sick and that's why we have our

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guns Bissinger.

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You understand that?

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Let's go and go to the club.

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Here it is.

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But what do you need a semi-automatic weapon for?

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The only reason I think you need it is, Piers, challenge Alex Jones to a boxing match, show

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up with a semi-automatic that you got legally and pop him.

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I'd love to see that.

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In uniform.

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Whoa.

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I don't think guns are, more guns are the answer here.

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I mean, there are a lot of them.

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That's it.

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So she goes on to say, yeah, ooh, you wear a uniform, ooh, then it's okay.

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And then Piers, oh yeah, I'll get my brothers.

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So they're all agreeing.

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Yeah, yeah, let's kill Alex.

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And that's a message.

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Just like they know if they said everybody go to this soup place, they've got the best

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soup in town, there'd be a line 50 feet long outside of it.

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So the first thing I want to point out is that Alex clearly understands the consequences

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of words being said to audiences.

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The way audiences are going to hear them.

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When he is the target of it, he clearly understands that this is a threat to his safety.

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So that whole argument of I had no idea how people would hear what I said about Sandy

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Hook, that goes out the fucking window.

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You know exactly the way people would hear your words.

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Yeah, he might as well have been like, okay, well, what if some crazy viewer of Piers Morgan

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show, somebody who's on drugs or something like that, somebody who is a weird conspiracy

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theorist shows up at my door and tries to kill me, huh?

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That's directly because of Piers Morgan's words, and I will never apply that to anything

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ever.

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Right.

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It's nonsense.

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Yeah.

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But I think that he plays this clip way too many times on the episode, and he editorializes

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on it in terms of this idea that if you're wearing a uniform, it's okay, and all this

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stuff.

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All the stuff he's bringing to it is fucking nonsense.

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Buzz Bissinger, the guy who wrote Friday Night Lights.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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What was he doing on Piers Morgan's show?

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Well, he's also a Vanity Fair writer, I guess maybe Daily Beast at this point.

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Okay.

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I'm not entirely sure.

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All right.

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He is way out of line, because what he is saying is bring a gun to a boxing match and

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shoot Alex.

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Yeah.

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And they laughed at it.

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But the way he says that, pop him, I do think that the lady who responded might have thought

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that he meant punch him.

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Yeah.

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And I think that they're laughing at the idea of shooting Alex.

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But Buzz Bissinger, I do believe was saying that.

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Yes.

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So the idea that they're all having this chorus of laughs about murdering Alex might be a

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little unfair.

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Yeah.

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I think that that's important for clarity, but the larger picture of it is that's fucked

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up.

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Yeah.

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That is inappropriate.

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I don't think it's right for Piers Morgan to not stop and be like, that's way out of

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line.

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Yeah.

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I know that we all hate Alex here, but you expressing something like that, that is no

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place on my show.

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Yeah.

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Or, fucking edit it out of the show.

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Right?

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I mean, is it live?

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It might be live.

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I don't know.

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Dan, you're telling people too many of the behind the scenes things that you have edited

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out of our show.

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Not as many as you might think with the amount that you yell.

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But that is not okay.

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And Alex does have a good point, at least vis-a-vis Buzz Bismjerk.

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Right.

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So I do kind of think that they made a huge mistake in terms of the way they were covering

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Alex.

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So that I think is a legitimate critique that Alex is making.

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He's making it poorly, but I think it's a legitimate critique in as much as Piers and

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his people fucked up.

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That is a big fuck up, Alex is capitalizing on it.

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Yeah, I am surprised that nobody stopped that.

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Yeah.

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Fair play to Alex, I think, in making a big deal out of this because it's an unforced

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error on Piers' and Buzz Bismjerk's part, which is really fun to say.

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Yeah.

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Buzz Bismjerk?

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Yeah, I know.

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So that's fair.

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This next one is not fair.

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You got the clip of them talking about my kids?

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This was on the same show last night.

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Here it is.

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I don't want Alex Jones to get the phone call at three o'clock in the morning that one of

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his children have been shot and killed by somebody who shouldn't have a handgun or a

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rifle or a automatic weapon.

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I don't want him to get that phone call.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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Those eyes kind of sparkle a little bit when it got to that part.

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I'm not stupid.

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Okay.

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And you know what?

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You know what I'm going to do?

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I got my course plotted.

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I'm going to accelerate speed and I'm going to politically ram you.

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I'm committed.

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Everything.

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My entire being.

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Don't you know doing this only gives me the power to stand up against you?

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A full commitment.

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We'll be right back.

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Obama's set to ban guns.

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No, he's not.

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So that is the Aurora survivor or the Aurora victim's family member who was on the show

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expressing that idea of like, I don't want Alex to get that phone call even if I disagree

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with him about this issue.

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No one should have to experience that.

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And Alex, because he's a fucking idiot, interprets that as a veiled threat on his family, which

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is nonsense.

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Does he?

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I mean, because I'm almost on the edge of feeling bad for Alex right there.

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Why?

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Because.

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Because he's that dumb?

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Well, I don't know because I'm not sure if it's purposeful bullshit or if it's like this

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guy genuinely cannot understand people not wanting his kids to die.

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Like he can't process it.

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I think he lives in this world where anytime somebody is expressing empathy for him too,

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it is like, you're just trying to kill me.

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Like that's a lonely fucking sad life.

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I think it's entirely possible that that is what's going on, that he has to interpret

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every thing that doesn't fit into his like sort of skewed worldview as he has to sort

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of recontextualize it a little bit.

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I think that that's entirely possible.

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But I honestly think that there's another possibility and that possibility is that Alex

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knows that what he does is disgusting and he knows that what he does is inappropriate.

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And so every time that there is the possibility of creating a victim narrative for himself,

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he needs to capitalize on it in order to build up the perception of the scales being balanced

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or that he's in the right.

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They're threatening to kill my kids.

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Their eyes twinkle when they say they don't want me to get a call in the morning hours

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that my family member is dead.

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Their eyes are twinkling because they secretly are saying they want my family to be dead.

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They want to kill my children.

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Why would I behave in any other way than the way I'm behaving?

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I think there's part of it is that, is rationalization, whether it's to his audience or to himself.

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That's a good, I mean, I suppose another part of it would just be the idea of his enemy

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wanting anything but total destruction towards him.

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Right.

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Do you know?

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Because that kind of reveals...

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That's part of it.

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And that kind of reveals his own opinions on that is for his enemies, he wants nothing

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but total destruction.

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Well, creating the perception that his enemies want total destruction of him justifies all

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variety.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It's a matter of misperception, all sorts of...

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What is propaganda if you're up against something that seeks to destroy everybody?

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Yeah.

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You got to lie a little bit in order to get people against a truly evil force.

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Who gives a shit?

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That sort of justification could be a piece of it.

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I'm not entirely sure, but I do know that there is a consistent trend through all of

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his work forever that has been taking any opportunity to create some sort of victimhood

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for himself where it doesn't exist.

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So it does fall in line with his just sort of...

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Yeah.

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On the other hand, that almost kind of supports the way I think about it because if it was

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like scattershot or if it was something that he earned over time, that would be a different

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story.

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But it seems as though this is just part of his worldview.

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Right.

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And that's the issue that you really can't answer without asking him and even if you

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asked him, he'd probably lie.

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You can't trust him.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, it is the idea of it's strategic or pathological and I'd believe either.

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But whatever the case is, it serves pretty much the same purpose.

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So whatever the case is, earlier in the episode, I said to you that I think that there was

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a piece of this that didn't go super well for Alex.

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And that is that there's a couple of calls that Alex gets on this episode that are like,

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hey, man, you were acting like a fucking idiot or what you did was more...

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It was not productive towards the goals that you are putting forth.

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You acted like a crazy gun owner that's only going to be used as an argument to take away

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people's guns.

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Yeah.

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Like that sort of thing.

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And Alex is like, yeah, of course, it's my fault they put through this legislation.

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It's my fault that Hitler took the guns.

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It's my fault.

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I'm a man in the arena.

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Do you not understand?

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Like that sort of thing.

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Right.

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Jerk off motion.

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That's his response to most of it.

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This episode is about three hours and 15 minutes long, maybe three hours and 10 minutes long.

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Generally a show is three hours long.

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But if he wants to go into overdrive, he keeps the show going.

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Clearly he intended to keep the show going, but he got a call that was along those lines.

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The idea that you're acting like an asshole and then he ended the show pretty much right

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after it.

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So he's in overdrive now while he's getting this call.

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Yes.

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So now we're at the full discretion of I can press the button and it's over.

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End whenever.

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Gotcha.

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And he ends it right after taking this call where this guy confronts him about how he

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was acting like a dick.

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You quintessentially fit every single stereotype of Dono.

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All right, hit pause.

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They use those stereotypes of what they don't want us to be because that's winning.

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Our founders murdered people, according to the British redcoats who abused our rights,

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killed them.

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Okay.

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I'm not calling for that.

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According to themselves in their face.

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Oh, are you concerned about them saying I need to be shot last night?

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Oh, that's just funny.

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But me getting in their face, that's not good, right?

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No, you're the one that's always ranting about COINTELPRO and that's exactly what you were

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doing.

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You were controlled opposition, dude.

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Well, you know what?

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I am myself and I believe what I did was right getting mad at him.

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So I appreciate your call COINTELPRO goes around and tries to get people to fight with

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each other and in fighting COINTELPRO does what you just did.

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I don't think you're COINTELPRO.

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That's just an old 60s, 70s term.

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One form of psychological warfare they engage in the cognitive infiltration that Sunstein

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talks about is more important.

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Here's the deal, bud.

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I told you about three months ago they were going to come with executive orders for the

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guns.

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Now it's a fairmonger.

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It's now happening.

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So I tell you what, you go out there, you build the media organization and you engage

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the globalist.

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No, you're not going to do that.

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You're going to spend all day running around on every website, every message board talking

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about how bad I am.

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You're not even sophisticated enough to know that actually helps me.

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So in the same way that in that clip earlier, Alex talking about the like people talking

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about him on CNN is a threat to him or something like that, that recognition of the relationship

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between audience and speaker, he's fully aware of that.

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At this clip too, like that end part is real messed up for me because it's an awareness

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that he understands that people criticizing him are helpful to him.

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And if he understands that, why wouldn't he court that sort of thing in order to help

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himself?

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I will tell you why.

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Because while listening to that, I realized that he is a loser little titty baby who is

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throwing a little tantrum there.

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A little bit.

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He is a whack.

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He can't handle the criticism from people that what he did was, it was a living embodiment

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of the thing that people who are for gun control are against.

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So I don't think that, I think that this guy's argument's kind of stupid, the idea that he's

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controlled opposition and that sort of thing.

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I think the point here is that this is a good explanation of, encapsulation of why you got

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to be careful with Alex because criticisms of him do work in his favor a lot of the time.

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Nah, man, you're controlled opposition, dude.

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Oh shit, I gotta go, gotta end this show.

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I love that phrase like, you're controlled opposition, dude.

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It's a good catch all.

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It's a good catch all and it's weak.

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The fact that he does, he literally, he really sounds like his feelings are hurt.

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He really sounds like he's having that moment is probably why he doesn't court that.

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Because it's like, he doesn't like criticism on a very real personal level.

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No, but I think he does.

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He takes it personally.

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I know, but him taking it personally allows him to get angry and he likes anger a lot

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more than most other feelings.

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That's true.

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It may be the only one that he has.

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The idea that he can transmute some sort of feelings, whatever they might be about anything

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else into like anger at this guy for saying that he's controlled opposition.

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And then he can scream about like, are you going to do what I've done?

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I'm great.

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I think that's a win for him.

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I think he thinks that that's a win.

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No, but he feels bad, Dan.

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I don't know if he feels.

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He feels personally attacked, Dan.

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I don't think he...

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His feelings are hurt.

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Why don't you go build something, huh?

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Why don't you go build InfoWarp?

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There's a narcissism behind that.

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Yeah.

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So, I think as we come to the end of this January 7th through 9th stretch, I think we've

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seen the beginning of the down.

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I don't want to call it a downfall because...

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No, we still got a ways to go.

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Yeah.

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But this is it, man.

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This is the beginning.

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It took...

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I mean, what was it?

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December 14th was the shooting and now January 8th, I can say definitively is when Alex starts

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to internalize and re-report these crisis actor narratives.

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So if that's a birthday present, I'll take it.

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Doesn't mean we're done in this time stretch.

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We got to still push forward and see how this develops.

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But I'm glad to see...

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I'm not glad.

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No.

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Words fail us.

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I'm intellectually interested or satisfied on some level of curiosity that like, now

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we know this.

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We know this point is that which marks...

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Consequentially, this is when he said what we expected him to say.

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I would...

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And another one of our largest questions is satisfied too, that it's the result of some

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crazy person.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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For sure.

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And he's implying that he already knew it.

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So I think that will also come into play.

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He only is starting to really talk about this stuff and put it forth because he has the

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cover.

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Now we thought it would be Wolfgang Helbig, but it's not.

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It's James Tracy who is the initial source of him being able to like, I can talk about

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this now.

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This guy is...

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And you know, he still wants to present it as I've known this for a long time and stuff,

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but he's a coward and he needs that cover.

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This scares me in terms of the investigation though, just because I don't want to find

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out that the next six months are him shitting all over different people that he doesn't

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like.

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Piers Morgan still sucks.

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And then six months later, there's somebody who calls in who says, hey, by the way, did

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you know that all of the people at Sandy Hook were crisis actors?

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And that's when he finally commits to the whole thing was completely fake and staged

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bullshit.

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You know what I'm saying?

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It would be bummed out if, yeah, these words just don't work, but it would be frustrating

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if...

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I would be bummed out, yeah.

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It's so weird.

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It would be tremendously frustrating if, yeah, it is a long stretch where he just gets into...

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Like, because I could see an outside chance that most of his show for like at least a

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week is about Piers Morgan.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I could easily see that.

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Easily.

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And I know...

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Piers Morgan and stories about Charlie Sheen.

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Well, and from doing that episode about Val Venis with Marty last week, I know that the

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WWE is about to introduce this Patriot character in early 2013.

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So I know he's gonna get sidetracked by that too.

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So I do wonder how much and how consistently he will view Sandy Hook as the primary thing

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that he needs to be paying attention to when pieces of his ego are being actively engaged

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by Piers Morgan, the WWE, and what have you.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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It's an open question.

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I just wanna know if he knows Emilio Estevez.

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I mean, he knows Charlie Sheen, but are they...

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I don't know.

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Are they estranged?

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I mean, they're strange.

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Oh, nice.

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I don't...

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And then in April is the Boston Bombing.

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So like there's a whole lot coming down the pike in terms of...

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I think actually probably Alex will get way worse about Sandy Hook after the Boston Bombing

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because they don't combine them.

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Because he says that one's fake for sure.

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From the day of it.

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From day one.

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Yeah.

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From minute one.

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Within minutes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's interesting.

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I don't think...

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Whatever your frustration and whatever I'm worrying about being frustrated about, it's

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possible.

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But I think that there's so much that's going to happen in this stretch in early 2013 that

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this is going to be...

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I mean, look, Somali Pirates was wild.

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This is going to be just as wild.

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Whatever ends up happening.

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But we'll get to that as we get to it.

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But until then, we have a website.

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We do.

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We have a website, knowledgefight.com.

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There's a link to shirts if you want that.

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Go to that website.

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Do all that fun stuff.

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Yeah.

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Do you want to talk to me about it, maybe?

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Tell people.

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Tell people.

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Yeah.

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It couldn't hurt.

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We would appreciate any help with promotion because we're bad at it.

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We don't even barely ever post on social media.

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We should get better at that.

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We'll see.

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Yeah.

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Well, look, there's...

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I'll tell you.

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I'll tell you right now.

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Oh, I got one if this one's not good.

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Okay.

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What are you going to...

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Is this a forced one or is this good?

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No, no, no.

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I'll tell you right now.

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All right.

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I guarantee that Denise Richards' beautiful little pug, his life ended before his time,

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never killed anybody, Dan.

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Can I be honest with you?

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What?

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That's what I was going to say.

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Yeah, that dog didn't kill anybody.

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That dog didn't kill anybody.

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It's just a cute little pug.

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But one guy who technically probably has- And who was an asshole to that dog.

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Probably technically was an asshole to that dog is Alex Jones.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.