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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan!
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Workable dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are Dan.
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Ooh Jordan.
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Dan!
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Jordan.
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What?
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I should tell you that this is an interesting instance where we have an actual novelty,
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novelty beverage.
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Indeed we do.
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People always want to know what a novelty beverage is.
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Oh yeah.
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So like an IPA that we've drank a bunch of times.
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Right.
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It's not novel.
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Well we've run out of different IPAs at the liquor store and they don't have anything
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other than Bud Light after that.
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That's not novel.
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That's not novel at all.
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But today we've got Kickstart by Mountain Dew energizing watermelon.
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And I can report happily, this tastes terrible.
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Yes.
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This is garbage.
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We're getting sponsors.
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Fuck you Mountain Dew.
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We're recording in the middle of the day and thus we need a nice kickstart of hydration
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and watermelon.
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Oh yeah.
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Anyway I'm sorry did you have a question?
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I was just going to ask you if you've ever lied about how much money you make.
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Or inflated your self worth.
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I think I've only deflated it.
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Even when I've made like next to nothing I still feel like ashamed.
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I feel ashamed that I've made like $20,000 a year at a job or something like that.
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I can pay my bills.
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I actually make nothing.
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I know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No I don't think I've ever lied about making more.
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Yeah.
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About something.
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I mean you know you live 30 something years.
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I bet there is a time I did but I can't think of one.
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Like maybe back when I had a paper route I might have lied and said like.
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I make $40,000 a year.
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I started my own paper in order to have a paper route.
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That might be a stretch too far but yeah something like that.
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I might have said like I make $200 a week or something like that.
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When in reality I was making nothing.
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That's possible.
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I don't know.
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I don't think I've ever lied.
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I don't think I've ever lied.
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About anything.
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About anything.
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I'm just not a liar.
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I buy it.
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People know me as a straight shooter Dan.
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Okay.
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But yeah I think I've lied about my self worth.
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But that was as.
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You're talking about specifically financial self worth.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I've never lied about my self worth which is next to nothing.
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I've never lied about my self worth but that's called keeping a stiff upper lip.
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That's showing that old British resolve.
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On the inside it's like.
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Man one more bad thing and I'm out of this life.
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I'm doing okay.
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But on the outside.
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Hi.
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How are you?
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Right.
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I think I've lied in like a job interview in order to get more money from them.
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I think that's not called lying.
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That's a job interview.
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Yeah.
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Fair.
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Yeah.
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So this is a podcast guys where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
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Yep.
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That's the dynamic that we have betwixt us.
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Now today we've got an interesting episode to go over and I think we're going to have
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some fun and some blah along the way.
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But before we do straight up fun just giving some shout outs to some people who have signed
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up and are supporting the show.
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That's fun.
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That is.
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So first of all I'd like to say thank you to Sarah.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Sarah.
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Thank you very much Sarah.
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Next Jeff.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Jeff.
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Thank you very much Jeff.
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Next.
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J-E-F-F or G-E-O-F.
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Yeah you got it.
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J-E-F-F.
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Hmm.
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Next Robert.
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No I said hmm.
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Suspicious of the most common spelling of Jeff.
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Next Robert K. Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Robert.
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Thank you Robert K.
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Next Adrian.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Adrian.
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Thank you very much Adrian.
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And then finally someone who's donated on a little bit of a higher level.
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We appreciate it oh so very much.
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So Robert M. to Roberts today.
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Oh man.
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Robert M. you are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bop bop bop bop bop.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you Robert M.
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Thank you Robert M. Thank you very much.
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If you're out there listening and you're thinking hey I like what these gents do I'd like to
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support the show and you know make sure that one day they can lie about how much they make
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or something.
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Better or worse?
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I'm not sure.
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But you could support the show by going to knowledgefight.com.
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The button says support the show.
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We'd appreciate it.
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Our evaluation of monetary value is generally speaking pittance.
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I would use the word pittance.
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Yeah and even that we're ashamed to.
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Yeah.
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This is cool man.
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We were raised well.
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Yeah.
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So Jordan today you know already it's hard to avoid this sort of information breaking
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but today we're going over what is deemed Alex Jones Returns exclamation point on the
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Joe Rogan Experience.
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The inevitable thing that we knew was going to happen the moment there was a fight.
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Well I actually kind of hoped that Rogan would like go the other way with his humanity and
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be like I'm not going to reward this behavior.
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Yeah.
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But unfortunately he whatever.
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I have a lot of thoughts and we'll get to them.
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But Alex was on the JRE on Wednesday.
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The Joe Rogan embarrassment as I'm going to now start looking at it.
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Nicely done.
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This is embarrassing.
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This episode is really deeply embarrassing.
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Like all across the board everyone comes out looking bad like Rogan looks like he is an
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enabling fuckhead.
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Right.
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And Alex Jones.
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Which we know he is.
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If you watch this episode and you don't come away from it thinking like Alex Jones is a
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deeply disturbed human being.
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He is really really fucked up and he is dealing with some intense internal emotional mental
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health type issues.
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I don't know how you're dealing with reality like right.
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You can you can be intrigued by his conspiracies and think he's funny and all this stuff.
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You can do that all day long.
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But if you're paying attention and you listen to the things he's saying he's describing
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a deeply disturbed thought pattern a deeply disturbed human.
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It's so fucked up.
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And Joe is just egging him on laughing.
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Yeah yeah yeah.
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He's not like dude get fucking help please.
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Yeah because some of the times I think he thinks that Alex is joking when he does not
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appear that he is.
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And then.
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Well we all know life's very fragile.
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And then other times Rogan's just high.
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Right.
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Well you know.
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They're smoking some tobacco in studio.
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Sure sure.
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Alex keeps being like let me have some of that tobacco as if it's not a fucking video
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podcast.
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He's very he's very discreet.
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I don't know how much that was just trying to be cute.
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I'm not going to I'm not going to judge.
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I don't really give a shit.
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No of course not.
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I tried to make some like little beginning notes that I wanted to talk about before we
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got into this just to give some of my broad feelings about this.
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I think we touched on them already that this is embarrassing.
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Right.
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But it's kind of a smart move too because he knows that both of them know that it's
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going to work out well for them.
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Right.
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In terms of attention and like clicks and stuff like that.
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They both win in the end.
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Again the inevitable conclusion of the Joe Rogan Alex Jones piss off.
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Yeah.
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So there's a large part of me that thinks that even covering this is kind of a bad idea.
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Or at least in some ways it's a pointless exercise.
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But at the same time I don't see how we're in Alex Jones podcast and we somehow get away
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with not covering this.
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That's a good point.
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You know what I'm saying.
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Yeah.
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And if we're covering like a modern day thing which I intended to do for this episode like
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Alex was out of studio because he flew to L.A. to do this the podcast.
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So like this is a modern day thing.
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So here you go.
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Here's where we are.
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It's entirely possible that Alex and Joe's fight was entirely fake.
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But if I had to guess from watching this and seeing the way that the two of them behaved
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in the lead up to this I would say that it was fake from Alex's side and sincere from
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Joe's.
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I think Joe was scared for a friend who was lashing out at him in an attempt to get attention
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and he dealt with it exactly the wrong way by caving in and giving him the attention
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that he was demanding.
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Alex literally threatened to politically murder Joe on air.
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He accused Joe of just having mob connections that were all of his you know like running
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Bitcoin scams and fun all that shit being in bed with Jack Dorsey like Jack Dorsey runs
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his show with his cash app.
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Sure.
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He accused him of covering up satanic pedophile rings talked about aspects of Joe's personal
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life that he was clearly told to keep private and all of that incredibly inappropriate and
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in fact abusive behavior was not only not punished it was rewarded.
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It's going to be really hard to imagine a scenario in the future where Alex doesn't
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think that throwing a tantrum is the right way for him to get exactly what he wants.
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Yeah he's a child.
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It's been reinforced and maybe it has been endless time.
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Yeah I don't know.
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On this episode Alex begins the show with a glass of straight Tito's vodka in hand and
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he gets pretty drunk pretty early.
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Meat meat meat meat Tito's vodka on ice.
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OK.
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Well that's that's more acceptable.
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Right.
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It's just still straight vodka.
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Right.
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Which I tweeted.
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One of the only tweets I'm kind of proud of is the only thing I'm surprised by in this
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podcast is that Alex is drinking clear liquor.
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That is a good point.
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It's like weird.
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Well they probably started in the morning.
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You got to start with clear started at noon California time.
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Exactly.
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I think on some levels like I'm not I'm not mad at you.
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Like I understand liking to get a buzz and shit like that.
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But at the same time you're doing a show where you're going to end up talking about satanic
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pedophiles and screaming about alien demons and stuff like that.
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You ought to be taken seriously.
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Don't be drunk at noon.
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Well that's why you got to start with the clear liquor and right around four or five
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you can switch to the brown liquor.
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He's also like he's got a fucking handle.
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OK.
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That's not good.
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He's got a handle.
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It's a huge bottle of Tito's.
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That's not good.
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And it does appear that he makes pretty good progress through it.
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OK.
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Oh no.
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Yeah.
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So they proceed to record for five hours and as you can expect there was a lot said and
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it would be pretty much impossible for us to cover it all in one episode of our show
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without it becoming as long as our goddamn endgame coverage.
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That is to say that there are probably points of this show that listeners will think we
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missed and to that I say fair enough.
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I tried to prioritize looking at things that Alex and Joe discussed that provide new information
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to us and I need to even give this caveat that I don't necessarily believe most of the
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stuff Alex is going to say.
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It's hours and hours of a drunk idiot talking shit.
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Yeah that's pretty much a good way to describe the info wars too.
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That's true.
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That's branding.
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But in the same way that like when I listen to an episode of Alex's show and he talks
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about narratives we've covered a hundred times I don't see a real benefit in covering it
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again.
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Right.
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There's a lot of things that he ends up talking about that's like wow we talked about that
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or even stuff that he said the last time he was on Rogan's show.
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Yeah.
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So like there's a bunch of stuff like who cares.
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And some people might be like why didn't you talk about that.
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I promise you if we didn't talk about it there's a five percent chance that I missed it and
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there's a 90 percent chance that I just thought like who cares.
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And then there's another five percent chance that wild card wild card explanation.
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Take your pick.
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There could be anything.
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Yeah yeah yeah.
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Dealer's choice.
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So here's what's really important to keep in mind.
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All of this exists only for Alex to get publicity that he does not have access to anymore on
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his own.
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Alex has a major problem on his hands namely that he's running out of ways to attract people
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into his financial web and Joe is one of the only solutions that he has left to his problem.
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If he reaches a point where he can't manipulate new people into his little marketplace then
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it's game over and it's just a waiting game to see how long he can delay the audience
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that he has from leaving him.
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That's all this episode is about.
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Alex is trying to sell himself to Joe's audience to an extent that it seems almost incidental
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to Alex that Joe is even there except to be a prop.
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Someone whose mind he can blow.
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I would put it like this.
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Alex is the Cutco knife salesman and Joe is the penny that gets cut through to demonstrate
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how good his knives are basically.
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That's kind of how I feel when I listen to this episode.
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Almost like Joe is trying to deal with it from a human standpoint of like, you're
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my friend, I think you're great, we just didn't talk enough and that's why you got
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mad at me trying to reach rapprochement and Alex is there to pay lip service to that and
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at the same time steamroll and talk about here's what's really going on in the world.
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Because he wants Joe's audience.
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He doesn't want Joe.
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Does Joe realize that Alex isn't actually his friend?
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I don't think he does.
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Alex was screaming on air not a couple weeks ago on his own show about how my big mistake
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was I became your friend.
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I never liked you.
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I didn't like you.
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Yeah.
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Like that sort of shit.
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And sure, it's childish acting out to try and get a response from Joe, but at the same
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time when you say shit like that, I don't know.
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And you can tell from listening to this that they don't have as deep a relationship as
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would deserve that kind of patience and that kind of chance.
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Right.
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Like whenever they talk about any of their, they're like, oh, do you remember this?
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They have one fucking story.
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Oh, that's not good.
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Every single time they talk about like, oh, remember the good times?
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It's that one time that they ran around in George Bush masks in Texas.
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Right, right, right, right.
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That's great.
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That's it.
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That's the only fucking story that they ever bring up of like, aren't we great friends?
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Wasn't that the plot of Band of Brothers?
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I think that's why they became so close.
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Could be.
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Could be.
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That's a life changing moment and it's a bond that you can never break.
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I don't disagree.
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So here we go.
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We're going to jump in.
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And of course, one of the big sticking points for Joe not wanting to have Alex back on his
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show had been that he realized that Alex was lying even to him about what he said about
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Sandy Hook.
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Alex gave Joe the line that like, oh, we just had debates.
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We just heard both sides, that sort of thing.
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And Joe on his own show in past episodes has made the point that one of the things that
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I had a problem with is that I heard the clips.
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I went back and I listened to stuff and I saw that Alex was lying to me about Sandy
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Hook.
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And so right at the beginning of the show, they start discussing their fight a little
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bit and then get into after this clip, the immediate elephant in the room that is Alex
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lied about Sandy Hook.
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Alex Jones, we're live.
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Wow, it's good to be back for the second visit.
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It's good to be here, man.
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It's good to see you.
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We've got Trump meeting with Kim Jong Un.
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We've got the Cohen hearings in Congress.
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A lot of energy going on.
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Wow, a lot of things are happening.
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Planets are aligned.
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We should tell everybody that you and I had, well, first of all, we had a long conversation
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on the phone, which led to just a lot of talk.
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You were driving to Vegas a few weeks ago.
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We talked like an hour and a half.
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And then we decided to do another podcast and we cleared the air on the phone.
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We decided to clear the air more on a podcast.
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There's a lot of things going on.
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That's not good.
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No.
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That's not how a relationship works.
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We talked for 90 minutes about how you threatened to murder me on your show and then essentially
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made criminal accusations against me and talked about my family in ways that I have made it
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clear is not for public discussion.
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You betrayed my confidence on air.
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We had a 90-minute conversation.
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We decided let's clear the air on a podcast.
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Well, I'm sorry.
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That's it.
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I bet Joe Rogan just talked for 89 minutes and then one minute was Alex going, yeah,
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well, it's all stunned.
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Or Alex crying like, I can't get my message out to the world.
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I'm innocent, Joe.
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Right, right, right, right.
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90 minutes of him just being a sad sack and Rogan being like, well, maybe my friend really
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is in pain or something like that because Alex performatively expresses these emotions
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that humans have.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That he has learned how to replicate.
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Right.
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So that's how we got to where we are now.
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That's the first part.
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They had a 90-minute conversation when Joe was driving to Vegas.
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You know what?
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His XM was out.
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Why not just fucking talk to Alex Jones for an hour and a half?
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I can tell you already from the jump, this is stilted and uncomfortable.
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It is.
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They are not on the same page at all.
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And it doesn't get better until about two hours in and we'll see.
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When the vodka gets good to him?
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Nope.
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Vodka was good to him from the jump.
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I assure you of that.
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There's a rogue variable that comes into play about two hours into the show.
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PCP?
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Yep.
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Bingo.
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So here we go.
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This is the point at which right at the beginning of the show, Rogan brings up Sandy Hook and
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asks Alex to make a statement.
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Clarify.
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Yes.
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The thing that people are upset about you, the thing that we wanted to talk about like
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quick to get it over with, or not, not quick, but just to get it upfront.
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People are not upset.
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They are suing you.
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Yes.
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Is the Sandy Hooks.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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So your take on it, just give me your take on it.
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Well, first off, because it's always misrepresented, I believe mass shootings happen.
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First off, I'm about to lie to you.
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I always expect, if someone says first off, I expect the next sentence to be fuck your
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bitch in the click you put in west side when we ride, come equipped with game.
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It's certain it's going to be hit them up.
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I'm always thinking first things first, I'll eat your brains.
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Oh, okay.
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And then I'm going to start rocking gold teeth and chains.
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See, first things first makes me think chocolate starfish.
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That's my man Fred Durst.
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Different references.
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We have very different places that we're coming from.
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We have too much to get through.
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We cannot dwell on this.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So I was in the movies and I believe Parkland happened.
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Cool.
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And you believe Sandy Hook happened?
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Absolutely.
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And now just last year, the media came out and said, Alex Jones says Parkland didn't
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happen.
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And he's sending people to Parkland parents' houses.
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And there was no video, no audio, wasn't true.
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In fact, I said, I believe Parkland happened.
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So I'm not going to be the mass shooting denial guy.
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I have been branded as the Sandy Hook guy.
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I mean, imagine a Final Cut Pro video editing timeline.
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And you go back almost seven years ago, I guess it's more than seven years now.
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And the internet didn't believe some of the things about Sandy Hook.
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I started covering it weeks after.
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My first articles and things are, oh, this will be used for gun control.
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And I bet the guy's on Prozac and a mental patient, which he was.
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We already know just from looking at the days after Sandy Hook on our own show that that's
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a complete lie.
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I know.
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How does Joe not know that he's being lied to again?
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I don't know.
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He's trying to have him clear the air and explain, what are the things that were weird?
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Why is it OK what you're saying?
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It was typically said on his show that he was mad that Alex was lying to him.
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And then he brings Alex onto his show for Alex to lie to him.
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To sort of refine his lie.
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Yeah.
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That's pathetic.
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The idea that his listeners or people on the internet or whatever were things that he was
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responding to, sure, I'm willing to buy that.
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I mean, you should have a better editorial policy in terms of what you report on, number one.
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And then number two, the timeline is completely jacked.
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He's saying weeks later.
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Right.
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It was the day of he started saying it was fake.
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And then five days later, on December 19th.
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He started insinuating that it was fake the day of.
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Right.
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He came to a solid position a couple days after that.
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Yes.
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Yeah, very quickly.
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And then on December 19th, 2012, five days after he started suggesting that they were actors.
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Yep.
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So he cannot make this claim here.
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This is bullshit.
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And Joe allows it to go unquestioned, which is a very serious problem just out of the gate.
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I think I think the two of them are going to work themselves up into, like, possibly a new lawsuit by the time this is over.
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I was just thinking, should Alex be talking about this?
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No.
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He's currently being sued over this, right?
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No.
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And actually.
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That's Roger Stone.
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He should have a gag order on him.
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One sentence, or not one, it's not a sentence, but one clip we're going to hear I really think could be actionable.
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Jesus.
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Like, in addition to, like, because he, we'll get to it when we get to it, but it was pretty troubling.
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Is Joe actually secretly a mastermind who is getting Alex to continue to dig his own grave?
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I don't think so, because this would be a much shorter episode than it was.
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Fair.
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He knocks that out in the first 15 minutes.
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Fair.
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So here in this next clip, Alex blows his timeline again about Sandy Hook.
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And we know that from looking back at the episodes.
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Like, this is just demonstrably not true.
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About a couple of weeks into it, my listeners and others start sending me all these anomalies and things.
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And later it turned out some of those anomalies weren't accurate.
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And then I just moved on from it.
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Okay?
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I mean, I'm not Adam Lanza.
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I didn't kill those kids.
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But when I'm on the streets now, people don't know who Adam Lanza is, the guy that killed those kids.
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They think it's me.
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They say, I can't believe you're not in prison for what you did to Sandy Hook.
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All they know is Alex Schell and Sandy Hook are dead kids.
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Well, I don't think that's...
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I think the majority of them are angry, because the narrative has been that you're sending people to these Sandy Hook families' homes.
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Exactly.
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And I'm not, and I never have.
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That you're responsible for these people getting harassed, because you said on your radio show that it wasn't real.
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We're going to go with the latter on this one.
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Yes, there is video and audio of me saying, I can see how people don't think it happened.
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And I can see how people think it's synthetic, because there's been stage events before.
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That then gets edited, put together, cobbled together.
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But I never said, go to people's houses. I never said, go investigate.
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Did you ever say that you think it's not real?
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Yes, I did.
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But now you do think it's real?
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Because I learned some of the anomalies were not accurate.
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Because you're bad at your job.
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You're fucking bad at this.
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That's what he's saying.
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He's saying, yeah, I just believe bullshit, and I really hurt people.
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But I won't take responsibility for that.
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The tape of me saying that it's actors is fucking edited.
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It's not.
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Nope.
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You could go to the entire episode. The video is still there.
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It is not edited at all.
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He's telling a call. At least that 2015 instance.
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Absolutely not edited at all.
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He's dodging responsibility while trying to, again, performatively accept responsibility.
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And that's pathetic.
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And not only that, but we did hear in our days after Sandy Hook
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that people need to go investigate and hire private investigators.
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So you lied again, you piece of shit.
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Well, it's that thin line of, like, I didn't send people to their houses.
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I just suggested that people need to investigate.
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Yeah. Well, he just said that he didn't say people need to investigate.
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Yeah, that's a good point.
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But he could fall back on the argument of, like, I met professionals.
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That's even worse!
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I met the FBI needs to be investigating this.
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I was just so imprecise in my language, it could easily be interpreted as saying
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amateur gumshoos should get out there and stalk people.
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I feel like, I don't know why, but I've got this, like, vision of me being Joe Rogan's dad
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and being like, if people are constantly lying to you, they're not really your friends, Joe.
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You need to cut bait with them and run.
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And he never learned, Dan.
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No.
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Joe Rogan never took my advice when I was his dad.
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Well, since we are all our ancestors by default, we are all everybody simultaneously or something.
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I don't know.
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Sure. There are four ways to learn.
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Joe tries to get Alex to understand that there is a tendency among people,
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particularly people who have certain forms of mental illness.
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He's speaking way too broadly in terms of saying, like, schizophrenics love conspiracy theorists.
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It's a little bit too general, but the point he's trying to make is that there are people
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in the world who believe that everything is fake and that you can get into that system.
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And then Alex piggybacking on that accepts that he was kind of that way before.
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Kind of.
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And was.
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Before.
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Right. Those are some problems.
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As opposed to now when he never.
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He's trying to pretend that years back he realized that he was falling into that trap.
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And he discusses that in this next clip.
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And it's fucking stupid.
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But I kind of realized a few years ago that I kind of had my own mild psychosis in that when you've been lied to by the media,
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the culture so much over and over again, everything then starts becoming automatically.
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You're sure it's fake and that everything you see fits into that.
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This is probably four or five years ago.
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I began to realize because I was on the receiving end of people pulling up in white vans with guns at my office,
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saying, I know you put a microchip in my head, I'm going to kill you.
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And so it was kind of like once I got super famous, it was like, whoa.
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Now, the important thing about that is Alex only is saying that he realized that he was in this pattern of believing everything was fake.
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And that's bad because he became the victim of conspiracy theories.
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Basically, his listeners started treating him the way that they treated the people that Alex lied about.
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And he then was like, oh, my God, this is awful.
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But at no point is he dealing with the fact that he created these or encouraged these tendencies in people.
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He's just saying it as sort of an abstract.
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People are like that, as opposed to like my entire modus operandi, my entire business model is encouraging this behavior in people.
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And then once it was directed at me, I realized, oh, this isn't good.
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But then I didn't change my behaviors, but I'm going to pretend I did.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, he's he's not a good person.
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No, he doesn't have a very large vocabulary.
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I prefer a good Lionel.
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He knows a number of words that he uses weirdly.
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Yeah, but that's definitely true.
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He knows a lot of five dollar words that he throws in very strangely.
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I'm just saying that if I were telling the story of people in white vans showing up at my studio with guns pointed at me,
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my reaction would not be it was like, whoa.
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Unless you're Black Rob.
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That's possible.
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Then it's like, whoa.
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It is like, but everything's like, well, that's like, whoa.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, I think that you're getting a sense here that Alex is sort of like paying lip service to the idea that he did things wrong.
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And he's like, I, I blew it.
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But he's also saying that it's because people gave him bad information, which is dodging responsibility to some extent.
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And then more than that, he seems to be painting the picture that he's the real victim in the whole thing.
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What?
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Of course he is.
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He only became aware that his behaviors were maybe a mild psychosis because he became victimized by them,
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which is drawing attention away from the real victims of his rhetoric and his behavior.
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But this next clip I thought was a little bit beyond the pale.
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This is what I'll say about Sandy Hook. I legitimately questioned it when people brought up anomalies.
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I then had debates about it on both sides.
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The Internet pushed me to keep covering it.
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I probably covered it 20 times in the first few years it happened.
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And then as soon as I questioned it, not being staged, I got attacked so much that I said, screw it.
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Mass shootings happen.
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I believe it happened.
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But then media would call me or interview me and say, OK.
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But tell us the anomalies of why you questioned.
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They were getting me to say it again.
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Not that I didn't have the right to question it, but they thought, well, Alex Jones versus dead kids.
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Alex Jones denying it.
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Alex Jones harassing families.
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This is a perfect way to get this guy who's so popular, getting people to question and get people to think.
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And so it took me years.
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I think I'm smart as I'm not to figure out what's going on.
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So when Hillary, a few months before the election, in this huge speech, it says Alex Jones is a dark heart.
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He knows Sandy Hook kids died, but he says they didn't.
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And he sends people to their houses.
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He's the worst guy in the world.
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So I came out and I said, listen, I never sent anybody to the houses, but I apologize for taking it out of context.
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People have a right to question.
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But I'm sorry for the families and I'm sorry for your hurt.
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And I get it.
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And I've experienced crazy people now big time, just like you have.
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Please stop saying that I'm saying it didn't happen.
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See, this is this is the the muddying that Joe is still allowing him to do.
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People weren't saying that he was still saying it.
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They were discussing the lingering damage of him saying it consistently in the past when it mattered.
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That's what the people were talking about.
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And no one was trying to bait him into saying these things so they could take shit out of context.
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That's him creating a victim narrative for himself about this that somehow trumps the actual event.
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It's so pathetic.
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The damage that I've done over and over and over again.
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That's not even really my fault. I was tricked. I was cajoled.
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I was the anomaly. It was fake.
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It was all it was all something that happened to me.
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And so I don't you know, I apologize for it and it's over.
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Right. You can stop suing me. Can you can you stop suing me?
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Could everybody just stop suing me real quick? Yeah, I apologize.
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I said, I'm sorry, Hamdi. Shut up.
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After I did that, you don't get to argue that like the anomalies were fake and that gets you off the hook
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because you were reporting them and screaming about how they were real.
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That is the problem. I understand that you were tricked.
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Believe me, you're preaching to the choir. I think you're an idiot.
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You fall for things all the time. True.
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That is not news to me. It's not exculpatory in any way.
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That is just that is descriptive. It is not excusing.
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But at the same time. And also it is to be included in his crimes.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess you could I get you know what?
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Really, what I think he's trying to do is trying to build an argument that takes away intent from his.
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Yeah. Because I think a big part of defamation comes down to like you intentionally maligned these people.
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Right. And if he tries to get this little this wedge in there of like I I was misled by bad information.
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I came from a sincere place. And, you know, hey, what are you going to do?
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Maybe maybe he's trying to get that legal standard diminished. Right.
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And Joe is allowing him to do that when you go back and you look at it.
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That's not that does not accurately describe how he behaved. That is not OK.
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So actually, Joe's an accessory to what I would describe as almost obstruction of justice at this point.
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If that's something that exists within civil cases. I don't think I'm not sure it does.
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I don't think it does. So in this next clip, Joe asks Alex if he wishes he'd done something different and not get sued.
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That's not Alex doing that. He certainly wishes he wasn't being sued. But his answer is interesting.
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And then it gets even worse. Something different. Oh, my God. In hindsight, absolutely.
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But again, I legitimately didn't think my show was as powerful as it was.
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But I wasn't retrospectively, you know, looking everything I was doing as much as I should.
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Nobody's perfect. I mean, as you get older, you grow and you learn things.
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I'd like to remind everybody that in 2009, three years before the Sandy Hook stuff,
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Alex was screaming about how his show had changed the world.
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I was going to say, yeah, he said so many times that he has like two billion listeners. Fuck you.
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And even in the day after the Sandy Hook, I believe it was the day after or the two days after,
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he was screaming about how they had helped bring back gun culture and then went out to break screaming,
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we're winning, we're winning, we're winning. Yeah, absolutely.
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Influential leaders listen to this show to find out what's happening.
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I interviewed a congressman. Yeah, they're like, there is that doesn't match at all.
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And I think it's a very pathetic angle to take.
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It's like, I didn't understand how influential my show was.
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Meanwhile, I screamed for years about how I'm the most influential show in the world.
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We are the leaders in Patriot radio. Freedom talk is us.
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So now here's another thing.
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One thing that's super important to consider about Alex's protests that he didn't know how big his show was
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and that he had no idea he was hurting people is the fact that in late January 2013,
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Lenny Posner, the father of a victim at Sandy Hook, sent Alex an email.
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Lenny had been being harassed by conspiracy theorists already at that point.
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So he told Alex, quote, haven't we had our share of pain and suffering?
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I used to enjoy listening to your shows.
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Now I feel your type of show created these hateful people and they need to be reeled in.
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He was saying that in reference to the fact that he used to love listening to Alex.
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He was a fan of his show until it ruined his life.
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It was an unfortunate irony.
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So he sent Alex an email within like a month or so of probably about a month after Sandy Hook
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when these consequences were starting to show up in his life and were really terrible.
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Alex didn't reply, but his assistant wrote back and said, quote, Alex has no doubt this was a real tragedy.
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Of course, after that response email, Alex continued to peddle the idea that Sandy Hook was fake and no one died there.
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He posted an article with the headline, quote, FBI says no one died at Sandy Hook,
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which is an intentional misrepresentation of murder statistics.
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It basically had to do with where the murders were classified.
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Whether it was in the city or the county, statewide numbers, stuff like that.
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We'll deal with it in more detail when it comes up in our 2012 coverage.
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Well, Alex's assistant did write in the email, it is a real tragedy, parentheses,
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that the government staged it and you are an actor, parentheses.
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It was a very different email.
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And then in brackets, off the record.
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So then of course we know that as recently as 2015 he was telling callers that it was all actors, completely synthetic, no one died there.
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I thought that kids died there, but after I looked at it I realized it was all actors.
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Those actions came after a parent of a murdered child reached out to him and made him very aware of the damage he was doing.
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All of these excuses to the effect of, like, I didn't know what I was doing, I didn't know I was so influential, fall on completely deaf ears.
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One of the victims who was affected by his behavior had made it clear to him that this is something that is a problem.
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And he didn't care.
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I think we have intent.
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Yeah, no, totally. He didn't care at all, he was aware, all this is bullshit.
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Joe is allowing him unquestioningly to put this forth.
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He's like, I didn't know how influential I was, I was a younger man.
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Bullshit.
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So at this point they start talking about how they had a little conversation pre-show and that Alex didn't know what he wanted to say.
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So this is just kind of funny because it indicates how rude Alex is.
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We even talked before we went on air about what do you want to say today so you can help me get it out.
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I don't know.
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I want to say a bunch of things.
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I'm only learning how this works being in the process of it and it's given me a much bigger view than I knew 23 years ago when I first got on air.
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Because I've experienced what other people have said the bad things I did experience, I did it from a good heart, I believe questioning was okay, I was covering other people questioning.
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So more excuses, more nonsense. I didn't know what I was going to say. I have a lot I'd like to say.
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I don't care.
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Who gives a shit, you're a prop.
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And even in the beginning of that clip expressed exactly what his goal is. You're letting me get my message out on your show.
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Yeah, we had a conversation before the show about what I can help you spread, what lies I can help you get out in the fucking ether sphere.
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And the only debate I think that's relevant and I don't really have a position on is how much Joe is aware of the fact that he's being lied to again.
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And to what extent is he a knowing participant in allowing Alex to lie to everybody more.
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I don't know. That's a debatable open question. Who knows.
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Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe.
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So they jump off the Sandy Hook stuff now and I think we got a pretty clear picture that Alex is just trying to equivocate Dodge's responsibility while looking penitent in some ways.
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And it's a disgrace and he's lying even still about the timeline, about what he did, about his intentions, all of that stuff. This is just, this is a disgrace.
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They really got to learn how to apologize when they're psychopaths. That's a bad move.
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No, because I think this works for most people who don't know any better. I think most people who are listening to this or Joe's audience probably are like, you know what, that's real big of him.
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That's real big of him.
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Fuck off.
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Because he was at least willing to admit that he wishes he'd done some things differently. That takes a lot. That takes a big man to say that.
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It does not take a big man.
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No, it doesn't.
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It does not.
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Especially when saying that is in service of promoting a further lie.
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Yeah, that would be so infuriating to me. That right there, that apology, regardless of whether or not he's even telling the truth, like even if he was telling the truth, he is not saying I am not making excuses for my behavior.
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I'm giving you reasoning. I'm explaining it. I am fully taking responsibility for what I've done. I'm fully taking responsibility for what's been done to the Sandy Hook families.
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No, he's saying that's not really my fault.
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There's no ownership.
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That's not an apology.
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Nope. None.
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That's fucking pathetic.
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Absolutely. So, in this next clip, we find out where things went wrong for Alex in terms of the present troubles that he's in.
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Birth?
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Mm-hmm.
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When I aligned with Trump, that's when all hell broke loose.
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Yeah. Yeah, that was part of it. I think that was definitely part of it.
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And Hillary admits, she looked at my whole bio and said, Sandy Hook, hit him on that.
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Bullshit.
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When did she admit that?
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Do you still communicate with Trump?
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To you? Did she call you?
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Not in a while. It becomes a big issue. I mean, I obviously communicate with surrogates and people that talk to Trump.
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Roger.
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I mean, Don Jr. was on Tucker Carlson last night. They were talking about me and saying what happened to me is wrong.
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Okay, so now he's out at Don Jr. is talking to him, too, which is-
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Yeah, no kidding.
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That's cool, man.
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Yeah.
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Well, he's already out of that whenever he was like, I can't talk about my source. It was Donald Trump Jr.
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But I also don't think that's true anymore, probably.
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Yeah?
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I bet that that's also, in the same way that he's saying, I don't talk to Trump anymore.
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I bet that maybe Don Jr. gave him information two years ago or something like that.
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Right.
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But I'm positive at this point they're not in communication anymore.
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No, that's what I'm referencing. Whenever he said, I can't-
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But he only talked to him because of Cernovich.
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Right, exactly.
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So, yeah, that was-
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Which is stupid. I don't like any of the dumbness involved in that.
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It's a long line of incredibly stupid people in a fucking daisy chain game of telephone.
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It's a game of broken telephone.
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Yeah.
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So, it wouldn't be an Alex Jones appearance if he didn't start complaining about the Chinese.
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And so-
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Sure.
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At this point, he starts yelling about China and Google working together.
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And sure, it's not-
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Fine.
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Yeah, it's not a great thing.
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Good call.
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But Joe knows some people at Google and has spoken to them. And he tries to-
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In a hot tub?
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Yeah. I actually believe Joe because he has information as opposed to dumb fucking stories about running into globalists in airports and hot springs.
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But Joe tries to explain to Alex why Google is working with China in the capacity that they are and in a way that we would probably not be comfortable with.
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And actually, Joe is even like, I don't know if I think this is a good idea, but here's the explanation for why they're doing it.
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Which I think is a fair way to present things.
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Well, let me tell you something because I knew someone who worked at Google. I know someone who used to work at Google, I should say.
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Their thought process was that Google is going- if they don't bring Google to China in a censored form, they're going to copy Google.
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This was their real worry because China copies everything. I mean, their intellectual copyright law over there-
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Yeah, but then they're just going to steal it better now.
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True. But this is what they're saying.
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Think about that, Joe.
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But let me explain something from the point of view of Google. As a business, and I'm not saying I agree with this because I don't.
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Get some more apple juice.
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Get some apple juice in your system, fella.
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It's noon! It's fucking noon!
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That's at least his second or third glass of Tito's.
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Jesus. Jesus.
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Completely unwilling to hear Joe's argument from experience and knowing somebody there that here's why they're agreeing to work with him.
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And like I said, I didn't include it in here because this isn't a show really about Joe Rogan's positions.
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But he does say that, like, I don't think that that's necessarily a good idea, but they're not doing it in order to build a worldwide censorship machine.
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Right, right, right, right.
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That sort of thing. So he's pushing back a tiny bit towards Alex's rhetoric, but not nearly enough. And it's clearly ineffective.
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Right. Well, you can already see that Alex is not listening.
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No.
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When Joe is talking, Alex is not listening to the point where you didn't need to say, I need to get another drink.
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No.
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You could have not said it.
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No.
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But he has to interject there because it's a power move. It's a whole like, you can say whatever you want, but I'm drunk.
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When I talk, I blow minds. When you talk, my mind turns off because you are a dumb, dumb gorilla.
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You're just some kind of thing. You're a thing. I am one of the elite. I am elevated above you.
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For sure.
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And actually, Alex says something later that really almost made me have a spit take about how great he is.
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Uh-huh.
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We'll get to it.
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Okay.
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But, of course, in the same way that if Alex is on, Chinese are going to take it on the chin. Also, if Alex is on-
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Yeah, which they're really pissed off about. They hate taking it on the chin from Alex.
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They're especially imaginary haymakers.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But if Alex is on, he's also going to talk about chimeras.
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I'm fine with that.
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So he gets into talking about chimeras and, of course, because this is a show where there's no time to do research,
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there's no time to respond to anything. You just got Jamie behind the board who, like, will Google something.
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And has the presentation of a good argument that there are pig-human hybrids and wombs and stuff like that.
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If you go and just Google the basic information, fine, you're right.
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Yeah.
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You're lying about it, but there isn't enough time on the show to get the nuance, get the detail of it.
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And so Alex's suppositions are deemed to be like, oh, my God, he's totally right.
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That sort of thing, which is a dangerous thing and one of the reasons you can't have someone like Alex on a show like this.
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But this is really funny.
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Alex starts ranting about these here chimeras and then Joe tries to get him to, like, hold on, what are you talking about?
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And Alex's response is so funny.
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Twenty years ago, they had spiders that produced body armor, spider guts, okay?
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They have human animal hybrids thirty years ago.
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They've got giant human tissue farms.
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You know, you hear, oh, your Achilles is torn.
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We've got grown in a lab, a tendon.
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It's not a frickin' tendon grown in a lab.
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It's a frickin' deal humanoid.
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These aren't humans.
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The way they get around it is they make them.
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Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
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We're saying so many things.
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This is, listen, I love you to death, but you say so many different things.
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I bet you $10 million humanoids are real.
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I believe they are.
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But you say so many different things without stopping.
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It's hard for people to absorb.
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Because I'm reporting to the government agency so they'll listen and investigate.
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I'm decompartmentalizing.
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Okay.
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This will be studied for years.
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This lunatic.
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This will be studied for years.
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I mean, that's just like the Kevin Spacey line from Seven.
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Yeah.
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Like, what I'm doing will be studied and reflected upon for decades to come.
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Alex has that same sort of narcissistic string, like, what I'm doing, talking about spider goats.
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Once again, that's a great comparison to a literal serial killer.
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Yeah.
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And then also two things that are super important is that Joe is trying to explain to Alex that you jump from topic A to B to C to D to D.
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I'm still on A. What the fuck were you talking about?
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And that's not, this isn't a productive way to communicate, that sort of thing.
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Yeah.
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Way downstream, I'm back here trying to talk about these things.
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He doesn't seem to realize that this is part of Alex's manipulative technique.
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That he can't stop on A because he needs to be on D or E by the time you have heard what A was.
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Yeah.
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Or else you're going to look into it and be like, you're just full of shit.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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And also the second thing that's super important is that he's saying spider goats are spiders.
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They're goats.
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They're goats with spider jeans, not spiders making body armor.
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It would be more fun if it was, I'm going to be honest.
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Spiders with goat jeans.
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Spiders with goat jeans would be fantastic.
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What the fuck would they gain from those goat jeans?
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Big, bigger.
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They'd be big.
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That's so crazy.
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They've always wanted to be big.
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His whole point is that it's these little moments, and I don't think that it's just a product of his intoxication and slipping up.
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He doesn't know what a spider goat is.
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He just knows it is a thing.
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It is a thing.
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He thinks it's a spider.
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It would be a fun spider.
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Whatever the case is.
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Actually, no.
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It would be a massive spider that would also be able to bite you.
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I'm not into it.
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Yeah, no.
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That's no good.
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Later in the episode, he talks about how OSS, the precursor of the CIA, was actually British intelligence.
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But at the same time, he spends a minute trying to remember what OSS stands for.
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What kind of information do you have if you don't know these basic things?
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What do you know about fucking chimeras if you think spider goats are spiders?
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Get the fuck out of here.
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That's what I would do if I were Rogan.
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I would be like, come on, man.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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Also, by the way, it's the Office of Secret Sauce.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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Horsey Sauce has a whole department in there.
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So I told you earlier when they were talking about Sandy Hook, I felt like they might have accidentally worked themselves into a new lawsuit.
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And this clip here is what I was basing this on.
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Because Alex has a new conspiracy about what's going on with him and Sandy Hook.
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Oh, God.
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Don't talk about it.
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He really shouldn't.
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This next clip is bad.
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And I'm sorry it ever happened.
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I believed it happened.
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I'm sorry for people's pain.
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And then I asked the families and I asked the lawyers and I asked them all stop in my name saying I'm the wolf at the door saying go after these families and stop running around the news everywhere saying Alex Jones says Sandy Hook didn't happen because the media media is the most unpopular thing in the world with 7 percent approval rating in Gallup.
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So when they say that I say it's fake, that sends people to Connecticut because people think the media lies.
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So if they're saying Alex Jones said it didn't happen, it must have not happened. And now they're trying to create a violent event.
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Not the families, but I think some of the people involved know that if they make a big enough hype about it, they're going to have a big event up there in Connecticut.
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You understand?
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And they're going to blame it on me.
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So I'm saying no, no, no.
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I believe it happened.
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Stop saying I said it didn't happen and stop saying that I'm saying no kids died because I want to talk about human animal hybrids.
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I like that a lot.
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Like those are the moments that Alex is funny, but he's not trying to be funny.
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Like he sincerely is saying stop fucking saying this about Sandy Hook.
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My big message is human animal hybrids.
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Fuck off.
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I mean, he is.
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Fuck off.
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He's not saying stop proving.
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He just wants them to stop saying it because it's really hurting his feelings.
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It is.
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And his bottom line.
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That's so tough.
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Is he trying to say that the media is running a false flag on him?
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It's so complicated, but yes, walk through it and let me see if you get it.
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If I understand this correctly, the media is actually the ones who are trying to harass the Sandy Hook families because they know they're so hated that if they were to say Alex Jones says this,
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because people hate the media so much, they're going to trust Alex more and then the media knows this is what's going to happen.
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I think you're already off.
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So they're going to then investigate the Sandy Hook family?
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I think you're off a little bit maybe.
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So the media is so hated, right?
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Right.
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That they say that Alex says that Sandy Hook is fake and that people hate the media.
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Therefore, they think that that is misreporting and trying to cover up something.
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And so their logical conclusion is, well, it must have been fake.
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If they're saying that it's wrong for someone to say it's fake, then it must be fake.
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Ergo, we're going to go to Connecticut and cause a huge terrorist attack that we'll blame on Alex.
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Right, right, right.
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And the media is aware that this is what they're doing.
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I think he's also implying that?
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Well, because the OSS is involved.
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Oh, of course.
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Yeah, I think that is what he's trying to present.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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The idea that the media is trying to do this in order to precipitate a large terrorist attack in Connecticut to blame on Alex.
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This is the definition of paranoid narcissism, just believing everything is about you.
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It's so sad to see.
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Yeah, because the one thing that he could not possibly wrap his head around is that the media actually doesn't care about him at all.
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No, or that they're only reporting on things based on what he has done.
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Right, right, right, right.
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And I think that he's gotten so far that I don't know if he's able to distinguish between what his straw men are and what the reality is.
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Criticisms that are being lobbied against him, I don't know if he's able to tell what's real and what's not.
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What's his spin and what people are actually saying.
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And it's interesting for that to exist on the same episode where he's saying that,
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Years ago I realized that there's this mild psychosis where thinking everything is fake. It's exactly how you operate.
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The ability to have an awareness about that and pin it on your past self implies some awareness that you're still beholden to those patterns.
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It troubles me a little bit.
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Well, first, do you think this is a situation where we're getting Alex without his Infowars hat on?
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He's not wearing a hat.
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I mean, this is more genuine.
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No.
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Yeah.
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He's still doing a show.
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Right.
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You can tell when he interrupted Joe in that one clip and how he's just rambling, he keeps saying,
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I'm ranting.
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And then Joe's like, oh, go ahead, go ahead.
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Jesus, Joe.
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It's basically Joe's got himself front row seats to an Alex Jones performance.
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Right.
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Because it's not a conversation. It's not an interview.
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It's just Alex rambling about spider goats and how everyone's blaming him for Sandy Hook and they think he's Adam Lanza and he's a victim and blah, blah, blah.
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Like, Joe chimes in some, but it's not a two-way street.
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That just doesn't seem like a good basis for a friendship.
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It's not.
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You know?
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That's really abusive behavior that Joe is participating in willingly.
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Yeah, because I think he holds out hope in the same way that I want an explanation for a lot of things in Alex's career and the answer might be, he's a lunatic.
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Right.
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I think that Joe, probably in the same way, wants an explanation for why his friend would treat him that way.
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And I think he hopes for an answer other than, oh, he's just a crazy person and he has money, so he's not yelling on a street corner.
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Right, right, right.
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That sort of thing.
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Alex is the embodiment of money privilege because his behavior is very, very close to someone who gets locked in a loony bin or whatever.
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Yeah.
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I don't even like using that terminology, but you know what I'm saying.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He is no different than someone in other circumstances that would be 5150'd or be homeless.
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Yeah.
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Like, that is, like, the level-
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Yeah, we're talking pre and post Reagan as to which one is which.
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That's the level of impairment Alex is operating under, these days especially.
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And I think that Joe wants a different explanation for why things are going the way they are.
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And unfortunately, if you listen to this episode, you see there's nothing, I don't think there's anything there.
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Yeah.
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It's a little bit like Joe is portraying himself as the person who wants to believe the best in everybody.
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Yeah.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like, the person who's like, look, I know all of this horror, all of this terror right there, but you're still a human being and I believe there's good inside you.
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Like, that kind of shit when in reality-
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Well, he does say a bunch of times, and I didn't cut out these clips because I don't care, but he does say a number of times, like, and another reason I didn't cut them is because it's the same thing he said on the last time he was, Alex was on his show.
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He's like, I wanted to show the world the version of you that I love.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We're having fun.
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You're a fun guy.
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All that stuff.
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Right.
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And it's like, I think that's-
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The version of you that I love is the guy who yells at me for five hours.
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And there's so much on here that just goes, like, that Joe just lets slide.
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Yeah.
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Like, that, first of all, I mean, we've already talked about all these Sandy Hook lies that Joe is just letting Alex tell.
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He lets him, without pushback, give this idea that they're trying to plan a large terrorist attack in Connecticut and blame it on him.
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Joe doesn't be like, hey, that's crazy, or anything like that.
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Yeah.
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So the version of Alex that Joe seems to want to present to the world as a fun guy who he loves is a lying bigot who's clearly mentally disturbed.
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And then we laugh at him.
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Yeah.
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Which I'm not thrilled with that, but whatever.
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Life is what it is, man.
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Yeah, but the important-
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Roll with the punches, I guess.
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Yeah.
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But the important thing, Jordan-
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Yes.
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Is that Alex, he knows that the globalists are evil.
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Well, we all do.
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And he knows that because of primary sources.
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He's talked to the spider goats?
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He's not.
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Oh, okay.
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He talked to goat spiders.
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Oh, okay.
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But-
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How's the goat spider leadership doing?
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Not good.
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Oh, boy.
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Not good.
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Eating tin cans and shit.
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That's not what spiders should be doing.
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In this next clip, Alex brings up a primary source and then completely lies about it.
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And because Joe doesn't know what this source is, he doesn't push back on it.
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And the earth is seen as like an egg yolk to give the propulsion power for this new
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thing that's going to be born.
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And whether you believe that or not, just like when-
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The new thing meaning artificial intelligence?
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Beyond that.
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It's a fusion of artificial intelligence and a whole synthesis of new life forms.
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And so that's the big giant race when Elon Musk came in and told you, because he goes
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to these billionaire functions and he has a conscience, so he's freaked out.
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And they go to these billionaire functions, I don't just know this, I've talked to people,
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and I was in Wired Magazine 20 something years ago, why the future doesn't need us, Bill
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Joy, a billionaire, co-owner of Sun Microsystems.
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He goes to a billionaire meeting with 200 guys and the consensus was, we're not going
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to let people play video games and party all day.
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We're going to set up a world government, we're going to slowly titrate the dose and
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poison the public, dumb them down, put electromagnetic radiation out with 5G that scrambles their
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DNA, lowers their IQ, we're going to cause mass mental illness and a controlled societal
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collapse that will then be organized and controlled in the mop-up crew by robots, controlled by
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the globalist programmers who believe with the off-world entities they're in communication
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with that they're going to be given the operation to upload and be in that larger kind of Borg
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cube system if they sell the country out.
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You got to hit the brakes because we need to take this back to, I'm so baffled.
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He's baffled because Alex is just making stuff up.
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Literally none of that is in Bill Joy's article.
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You can find it.
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We have a link up to it on our website.
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I wrote a big essay about Bill Joy's Why the Future Doesn't Need Us.
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You can go read it yourself.
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It doesn't say any of that fucking shit.
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The only thing that's close to that in Bill Joy's article is when Bill Joy is quoting
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Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, who wasn't at this conference that he went to among the
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elites or anything like that.
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He was talking about someone who had a fear of a terrifying future with technology as
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an example of this is something that someone has suggested, has nothing to do with anything.
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Alex is completely lying about this primary source.
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Because Joe, I appreciate his instinct of slow down, pump the brake, but there's no
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amount of brake pumping that's going to allow him to read that article in the time that
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they have on air.
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Alex just gets away with it.
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Well, they were on there for five hours, so he actually did have plenty of time to do
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that.
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Or Jamie could have.
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There's plenty of time for that shit, but it's just pathetic.
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This is all lies.
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That plan that the globalists have is interesting to me because either it needs to have taken
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more than one conference to come up with that entire plan, and yet at the same time it's
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such a harebrained stupid plan.
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It actually could have only taken one conference to come up with that.
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Like, they just kept drinking overnight, and they were like, we got it.
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We got a whiteboard.
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We nailed it.
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This plan is going to take the next 30 years.
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We're going to follow it to a T.
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I don't think they were talking about 5G 20 years ago.
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I think they were.
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I don't think so.
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I think they knew it.
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I don't think that's the case.
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Well, five years ago they would have been, or no, 30 years ago.
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How many years ago?
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20 years ago.
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20 years ago.
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We barely had flip phones.
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20 years ago they were talking about 1G, and they were like, well, we assume that we'll
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have five by then.
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Every four years there's a new G.
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In that sense.
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Yeah.
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I guess as a hypothetical eventual thing that will lead to 6G.
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Yeah.
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Ugh.
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We won't make it to 6G, though.
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5G will have already scrambled our DNA, Dan.
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Doing the jack-off motion.
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Dan, you're making the jack-off motion.
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Aggressively.
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Yeah, to the point where I'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable.
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Ugh.
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In an HR department, we would have to have a conversation.
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That's fine.
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We have a locker room environment here at the show.
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Oh, no.
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I got my dad.
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He's the HR rep.
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You're on.
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So, in this next clip, they're having a little conversation about Alex's, well, another one
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of his talking points is like back in the, I don't know, 60s?
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Old days.
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They had a plan that they were discussing of trying to bomb the atmosphere, or nuke
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the atmosphere.
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That's fun.
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And so they talk about this.
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And Joe knows about this from like a documentary that he's watched or something like that.
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And this makes Alex super mad.
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They detonated a nuclear bomb in the upper ionosphere.
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Trying to blow up the red-on radiation bomb.
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Yes.
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They've done a lot of goofy shit.
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But see, that's the thing.
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That's why I got mad at you.
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And I love you and you're a smart guy and everything.
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Because I know you know.
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Listen, you got mad at me because we didn't communicate.
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You know all this stuff I know.
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You're even better at saying it.
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And then you sit there because you can't handle it.
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And you sit there and you dull it out.
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I can't handle it.
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It's not that I can't handle it.
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There's two factors.
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One, I don't have any time.
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I don't have enough time to go into it as much as you do.
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You asked why I flipped out and got mad at you.
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That's it right there.
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Every time I bring up a fucking subject, you know all about it.
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I don't know all about this.
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You fucking know all about this shit.
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I don't know all about this.
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Bullshit.
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You're a smart guy.
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Listen, I don't know about this human hybrid chimera shit.
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Joe's just dumb.
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Joe just is a potty.
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Bullshit.
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Who is saying that?
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I don't think you're a bad guy.
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You're trying to survive.
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Are you saying that?
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You and your family can do good.
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My family, your family, none of us are going to make it.
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There's a post-human error coming.
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The breakaway civilization, the deal's been made.
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It's not the third dimension.
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With who?
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They've made freaking deals with interdimensional aliens.
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Okay.
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And notice the media never attacks you for that because that's the truth.
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Maybe this is true.
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I do not know this.
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I don't know that.
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So Alex is like, the media never attacks me when I say that the government has made deals
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with interdimensional aliens.
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I think mostly that's because people are like, he's talking shit.
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Who gives a shit?
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It's not like, oh no, he's on to our secrets.
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It's fun that Joe did not realize that Alex was absolutely insulting him in the form of
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a compliment.
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Saying he's a cuck.
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Yeah, he's like, everything, you already know everything.
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I mean, a lot of people say you're stupid all the time and I'm just saying that it's
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not true.
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And you're like, wait, I don't know who's saying he's stupid all the time.
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It kind of sounds like you're saying he's stupid all the time.
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I imagine some people say that he's a meathead or whatever.
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No, for sure.
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Absolutely.
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But that's something that you don't need to point out in a compliment.
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The bigger insult that Alex is making is that you are a coward.
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You know all the things that I know and because you want your family to be safe, you don't
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talk about it.
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And that pisses Alex off.
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Joe's trying to be like, I don't know this stuff that you think I know.
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Because they're not real.
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Yeah.
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I can't look into it because it doesn't exist.
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Right.
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How do you want me to look into extra dimensional aliens making contracts with the government?
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Well, you go there.
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Joe's done DMT a ton of times, which is what Alex is going to say is the conduit through
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which the government works.
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Of course.
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But we'll get to that when we get to it.
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All right.
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All right.
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So Alex isn't just taking this appearance on Rogan's show as some kind of a boon to
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his own life, which obviously it is, he's also trying to extend a ladder down to some
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of his weirdo friends who also should be on Joe's show.
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Oh God, no.
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Here's him trying to get his buddy booked on the Joe Rogan embarrassment.
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Can I interview Nick Begich?
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Have you ever heard of Nick Begich yet?
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Dr. Nick Begich?
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No.
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Oh my God, he'd blow you away.
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Who is he?
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His dad was a US Congressman that got killed.
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His brother, US Senator.
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Should I have him on the show?
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They're the guys that got all the money given to Native Americans.
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Can you spell his last name?
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Begich.
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He's a good friend of mine.
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Can I get him on?
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Yeah, I'm so freaking with flyer right now.
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Anyways, the point is-
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He is not busy.
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What does he do?
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He was telling me all these years ago, he goes, Alex, it isn't chemicals in the food
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and water.
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That's child's play.
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Spell his last name again?
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Begich.
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I don't want to write it.
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Jimmy?
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It's electrochemical.
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I can only write it?
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It's electrochemical.
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What does that even mean?
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I don't know how to spell it.
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What does that mean?
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I can only write it.
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It's muscle memory.
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If you can write it, then you can spell it.
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It's muscle memory.
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That's bananas.
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It's crazy.
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That's a bananas thing to say.
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It's a way of saying I don't know how to spell it without showing ass.
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I can only write it?
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I can only write it.
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What?
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Look, I can get if you've only read a word so you don't know how it's fully pronounced
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because nobody's said it.
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That makes sense.
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It doesn't work in the inverse.
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It does to some extent if what you're saying is if I write out a word, I can tell if it
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looks wrong, that sort of thing, if that's what he's trying to express, fine, but I can
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only write it a weird way of saying that.
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That's not a way to say it.
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Also, Nick Begich, if you're curious and don't remember from our show, he's the guy who has
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a fake degree from a Sri Lankan diploma mill and wrote a book called Angels Don't Play
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This Harp about the harp system.
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Which again, still fucking a great title.
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He's a complete lunatic.
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Still a great title.
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And a con man that Alex thinks is a real intellectual, real cool dude.
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He's also a favorite among the Project Camelot set.
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Of course.
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So he's real cool.
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In this next clip, there's another instance of Alex bringing up something that is ostensibly
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defendable by a Google search.
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I really wish he had written like Harry Potter, like a whole series of just like, angels don't
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dance on this pin and it's all about pin numbers and how they're finding you.
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No, because it would always have to be harp as like the pun, not the angels.
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That's what I'm saying.
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You switch it around.
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Angels don't play in this outfield and it's about baseball.
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It's about how Disney is a conspiracy.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That would be nice.
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I don't think he has the interest in it.
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I think he made enough mileage off Angels Don't Play This Harp in order to get him booked
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on the weirdo speaking circuit for the rest of his life.
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Right, so he doesn't have to write another book.
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Right.
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Why force it?
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Says J.K.
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Rowling.
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You only stand to lose something if you're a weirdo and you write a book and it's influential.
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You can only fuck that up by writing another book that has information in it that can be
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attacked.
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Right.
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Like the dumb fuck who wrote the I'm a man gorilla whatever.
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Was that Cernovich?
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Cernovich?
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Gorilla Mindset?
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Gorilla Mindset.
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He wrote Maga Mindset.
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Yeah, and then he wrote another book and everybody's like, you're dumb.
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Yeah.
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I think everyone said he was dumb before, but fair enough.
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True, but his book sales suffered.
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Right.
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So in this next clip, Alex is talking about how cell phones control you and cell phone
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towers are meant to mind control people.
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Of course.
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And those sorts of things, if you just do a cursory Google search, you can find articles
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in Scientific American and stuff like that that speculate about these sorts of things,
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but they don't prove Alex's point.
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But they just discuss the similar technologies are useful in different ways and stuff like
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that.
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Sure, sure.
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So it's another example of something where Alex can bring this up, Jamie can Google it,
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and then they'd be like, oh my God, Alex is on to something here.
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It's another sleight of hand trick that Alex is able to do, and I don't want to talk about
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it because we've gone into it in our show in the past, that specific topic.
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But it's interesting because it leads us to where we're going, where we're going.
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So this is a device given to us by the gods, given to us by the technology that the breakaway
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government, NASA, has developed that you don't just think they made up themselves, right?
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What do you mean?
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Who do you think made it up?
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Well, when you're ready to get to it, I want listeners to understand something.
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Just notice the media is not going to cover this.
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The media is not?
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Well, they'll cover that was on the show.
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They're not going to cover this because this is not my opinion.
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This is the real research that I have heard, that I have talked to army generals, commanding
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generals, major generals, general generals, CIA, everybody, and they're all 100%.
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And I thought it was a sign up before and then I researched it and I talked to hundreds
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of people now, not on air, but I'm going to make a film on this, who've taken ayahuasca
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and DMT.
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I've not taken it and for obvious reasons.
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And it's unbelievable because I mean, they 100% in San Francisco is the main project
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site, literally have an alien base and they are literally communicating and they've got
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like astronaut level people taking super hardcore levels of drugs and going into meetings with
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these things and making intergalactic deals.
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Are these intergalactic deals binding?
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What's the body?
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This is bullshit.
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I mean, this is just like, this is project Camelot shit, man.
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They're actually just making deals with the Beastie Boys.
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It might be.
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It might be.
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Yeah.
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Also, I think like, I know that the Getty museums in Los Angeles, but this is real fucking
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close to like, yeah, there's an alien base underneath the Getty museum.
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It's very similar in terms, I mean, I know San Francisco and Los Angeles, it's a bit
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of a drive.
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Did you know that Nazis are underground?
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Sure.
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They have a, they have a breakaway civilization with NASA who gets a budget of 50 bucks a
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year.
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That's all, but that's because there's the shadow budget that includes lots of money
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for NASA.
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Right, right, right.
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And if you explain it all later, all the rocket ships and stuff like that, that's all a facade.
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Yeah.
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It's like, it's like Britain is there's a shadow parliament as well with the, uh, that's
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a real thing.
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Yeah.
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So are the alien shadow departments.
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Fair enough.
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Yeah.
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Fair enough.
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So you do a bunch of DMT.
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Alex has this from major generals, general generals, general generals never talked to
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on air and definitely is not going to make a film about no, they take lots of DMT and
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ayahuasca and then they, they go into these conferences with aliens.
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Yeah.
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Oh God, this is so disappointing.
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This is like, this is your big news.
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You can't prove any of this.
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You're just talking shit.
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And it doesn't make any sense.
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No.
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And it's fun to talk about when you're high.
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And I think that's why Rogan is kind of like not fighting it at all.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And if I were him, I'd probably let him talk too.
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Right.
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In terms of like Alex, you are someone who tries to make real world political statements.
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You are somebody who supports, I don't know, Bolsonaro in Brazil.
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Yeah.
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You're someone who now, even though for years and years has been like principally opposed
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to regime change, you are now supporting what's going on in Venezuela.
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You cannot say that the big deal when you're on a show that like, I was listening to this
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live, there was like 120,000 people watching it live.
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Jesus Christ.
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You can't say that the big thing behind everything is major general generals doing ayahuasca
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and making contracts with aliens.
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You just, you're a fucking asshole.
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You're a joke.
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This is pathetic.
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I don't like that I feel like he was fucking with us a little bit with the general-
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The general generals?
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Yeah.
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The whole long list of generals was like-
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I actually know why-
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You know you're full of shit on this.
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He was just vamping, I think, a little bit.
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And then later he actually, he has one specific reference for who he's talking about and it'll
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be disappointing.
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But-
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Stubblebine?
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You bet.
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Oh yeah!
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Bring back the Stubblebine!
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He does bring up Stubblebine.
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How's Stubblebine doing?
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He's dead.
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Oh, well you're doing a great show.
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Thanks.
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A real funny point too, later he says that Stubblebine was a three-star general.
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Stubblebine was a two-star general.
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Oh, well that's-
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Petty point, but-
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Yeah.
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Alex doesn't even know the rank of the person that he's saying is, who cares?
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How many stars can you get?
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69.
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Yeah, nice.
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So Alex has never done DMT for obvious reasons.
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That's the dumbest thing.
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It is.
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That was very dumb.
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That was super dumb.
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He hasn't done DMT for obvious reasons.
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Right, which are?
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Which I don't know.
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Which I don't know.
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They would mess with his Adderall?
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If he says that I don't do it for obvious reasons, the only thing I can think of that's
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an obvious reason is-
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It's illegal.
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Well, yeah, but there's ways you can still do it, like native places, temples, and stuff
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like that.
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There are loopholes and stuff like that.
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You could do it fine with the legal stuff.
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I think it's just that he thinks drugs are bad or something like that.
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That's the only obvious reason, or he thinks it's intrinsically evil to do those drugs.
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Or he's afraid of the interdimensional beings.
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He doesn't want that to be, because he's not afraid of anything.
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He doesn't want that to be the obvious reason, but I don't know.
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The point is, he's never done it for obvious reasons, but he's basically done DMT every
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night of his life.
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With his mind.
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It's so alien that if an alien landed right now in our parking lot and a little gray man
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with big black eyes got out, it would be nothing compared to what I've seen on psychedelic
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trips.
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Well, let me just tell you, me getting into this, Joe, is just because people need to
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understand that I've known about this for a long time, and I just don't think people
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are ready for it.
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But a lot of folks who have low oxygen and who have-
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Nine volt brains.
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Well, who have sleep apnea, big necks, big heads, tongues go bigger.
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Like you and me.
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You go down to 62% oxygen.
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That's another time that the brain releases DMT.
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So my whole life since I was about, my first memories were every night was a DMT trip.
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So I basically, I don't want this to sound arrogant, it's not.
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I've seen everything.
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I've seen everything.
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God damn it.
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I've seen everything.
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I have fucking mild hallucinations every night, so I know that aliens are real?
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It seems unlikely too that he's had this his whole life.
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If what he's describing is his super out of shapeness and his massive neck causes the
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sleep apnea, then I would believe that that's more of a recent development in his life.
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It does seem that way.
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I don't know.
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I don't care to litigate that really, I just bring that up as like Alex trying to sort
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of big dick the entire like, you've done DMT and ayahuasca a couple times, I do it every
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night buddy.
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I know more.
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I've seen everything.
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Even in this, Joe, you think that this is your turf?
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I got bad news for you.
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I'm above your turf.
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What a dick.
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What a fucking dick.
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He's pretty bad.
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I don't want to be friends with the one up the story guy where it's like, hey, I had
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this really fun thing happen to me.
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You think that's cool?
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Guess what my story is?
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Fuck off.
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It's not even one up the story.
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It's one up the life.
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It's one of the identity.
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It's just, it's everything.
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It's just a, just a gross demonstration.
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I'm you but better.
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Right.
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So at this point in the episode, we get into the first instance of Alex talking about childhood
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memories and there are a number of them that some of them are pretty close to things that
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we've heard before and those things are fleshed out a little bit more because he's wasted.
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And then some of them are completely new developments that lead me to one of my new conclusions
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and that is that Alex Jones' dad, David Jones, might be a complete lunatic.
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That sounds right though.
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We've, we've touched on him in the sense that like, you know, he, he was clearly into the
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John Birch Society and he had some weird influences that passed down to Alex.
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But some of these stories that Alex tells are, it's hard to say what the line is between
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like Alex's dad is possibly crazy or Alex completely misremembers things from his youth
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and is allowing his dad to be cast as a lunatic in these backstories.
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Right, right, right.
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Do we get to remove the probably from technically probably kill a guy?
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Maybe we'll get to, that'll be at the end of this episode.
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Okay.
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All right.
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But there is some developments on that.
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Okay.
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And in this first one, Alex was seven years old and he heard his dad talking about his
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dentistry practice, but there was more there than meets the tooth.
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Oh, oh boy.
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Let me try to be clear.
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I'm having a good time with you.
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I just want you to know this.
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Let me try to be clear.
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I can't say all of this on air.
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Okay.
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Why?
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And I'm going to leave it at that, but.
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For obvious reasons.
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Because it's the best.
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I'm on record 20 years ago before anybody else was talking about the clockwork elves
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and now the globalists think they're in touch with these entities and things only because,
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and I don't want to get, I'm not in the CIA, the CIA is bigger than Coca Cola.
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It's like bigger than Walmart.
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I've never been in an intelligence agency.
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I've never been a part of any of this stuff, but I had family that was in advanced DARPA
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research projects that I don't know all the details about.
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Because they were.
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And when I was a kid, my dad told me about some of it, not knowing I'd be a talk show
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host later.
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But like when the deputy director of the CIA, he had a tooth pulled, he came to my dad.
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Okay.
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So my dad was like the doctor to, you know, these guys and dentists.
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I remember sitting around the kitchen table and I'm like seven.
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He's like, Carol, I can't tell you all about it, but it's a classified program in Maryland
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and an underground base.
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And they won't give me all the details, but it's double the money I'm making now.
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They said it's for national security.
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But I think, I think it's basically, you know, we're going to, we're building cyborgs and
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we've got special forces that have volunteered so we can infiltrate the Russians and get
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to codes and systems.
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And I believe it's in planting the messages in their teeth.
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And I, and I also think in plants, I think it's a brain surgery program for microchips.
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Okay.
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And so I'm here and my Carol's like, David, I'm sick of these people.
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And you've already done so much for the government and look what they've already done to you
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and my brother, you're not going to be, you know, I want you out of this.
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So this is like, you know, seven, eight years old and I heard about the, you're hearing
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about the cyborgs.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So, so that's the kind of stuff that I grew up seeing.
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So a couple of things that I find really important in there.
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One is that he calls his parents by the first name as opposed to like highlighting their
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relation to each other, which is weird.
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And then second like, I don't understand why his dad would be like, I can't talk about
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this national security project, but I bet it involves cyborgs.
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It's like, that's what you're not supposed to talk about.
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Why are you starting the sentence with, I can't talk about this, but here it is.
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That's how Alex talks.
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That's how Alex reveals information.
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He prefaces things with like, I am, I can't get into this.
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I'm not supposed to talk about this, but here it goes.
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Yeah.
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So I hear this, I think of this more as an expression of Alex Jones's fantasies from
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his childhood than actual, actually a memory of his dad explaining to Carol what was going
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on with these tooth cyborgs.
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Either that or DDS David was fucking with Alex from a very young age.
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I think that if Alex- What if he's just been fucking with Alex this whole time?
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I think that's terrible abuse.
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Yeah.
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He's brought a horrible entity into the world.
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But I think that even if he wasn't fucking with him, there's clear indications that he's
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allowed Alex to believe these things for years without correcting him.
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Or maybe he hasn't and Alex just doesn't give a shit.
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Maybe he's like, Alex, you know I wasn't working on fucking cyborgs when you were a kid.
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That's ridiculous.
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And Alex is just like, I just hear you confessing, quite frankly.
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I hear a whitewash story that you're giving me and this is proof that you made tooth cyborgs.
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Do you think the CIA has a rule about- Tooth cyborgs?
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Well, the rule is, let's go for it.
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But I mean like going under in that kind of thing, like getting any kind of laughing gas
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or that kind of thing.
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I'm positive that there's some sort of NDA.
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Yeah, there has to be.
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Yeah, because if you're unconscious or in Twilight or whatever, you could say something
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that you shouldn't.
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Exactly.
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That sort of thing.
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Or you could start fucking with DDS David, which is the new way that I'm going to say
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it.
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Or he's just like, hey man, we have cyborg teeth.
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Yeah, can I get that pulled?
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I could definitely see a situation where if you had to go under anesthesia or something
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like that for a treatment, they would only allow a dentist or doctor who had been vetted
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and had an NDA in place or something like that.
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I could see that being one of their security protocols.
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Or I could see it being a thing where you can only get local anesthetic or topical anesthetic.
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See, that's kind of what I was thinking.
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Even if you're getting a root canal, you can only get the Novocain.
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Because the risk of you devolving something is too high.
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Or a third possibility would be...
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There really are cyborg teeth.
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Wow, that's a fourth possibility, which I discount entirely.
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But the third possibility I could see would be like, you can go in, but you're always
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being monitored.
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Like someone is there, like you have an attache who's monitoring you while you're under in
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order to make sure you don't say anything.
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I like to imagine that attache has a briefcase handcuffed to his hand.
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Could be.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So I don't know.
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Whatever the case is, I don't believe Alex is bullshit, his stories of his seven-year-old
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memories and stuff.
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But this next clip gives us an indication that Alex Jones' dad is not on the up-and-up.
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Or at least Alex's version of him isn't, because Alex showed him Endgame when he was making
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it.
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Alex showed his dad Endgame.
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And his dad had a strange response to that.
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Go fuck yourself, Harold.
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No, that would not be a strange response.
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His mom seems to think that this is all bullshit, which is a normal response.
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His dad, quite different.
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My dad never told me about all this stuff when I was older till it was like 12 years
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ago and I was finishing Endgame Blueprint for Global Enslavement.
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That's free still online.
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And it's all about the world government and how the cell phone's watching you and everything's
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proven in it.
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Nope.
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It didn't come true.
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It was already true.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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And the plan for one world government and don't have kids and all that, an attack on
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the family.
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They're going to go to ballet recital for like my three-year-old daughter.
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She's like 14 now or whatever.
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And they sit down for like an hour and watch the end of the film, it's a three-hour film.
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And my mom goes, David, that's not true.
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He goes, yes, it's all true.
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When I was in junior in high school, they recruited me into the program there and they
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brought us in.
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They said the Nazis were wrong because they were only targeting certain groups.
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We're going to target everybody.
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And it's a planetary breakaway and world government and all the while there's a nuclear reactor
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under UT and all this other stuff, which later on research is actually true, it's not even
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hidden.
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But the point is it's not that my dad was even that special.
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My dad scored like the sixth smartest in Texas.
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This is stuff we've talked about before.
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It's just this ludicrous idea of how these globalists work.
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Like the idea that these kids got really high test scores so they tried to recruit them
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by telling them that the Nazis were bad because they didn't harm enough people and we're going
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to fix that by targeting everybody.
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And they reveal all of this plan like a James Bond villain before these kids have even signed
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on with the plan or not.
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Of course.
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And then don't kill the kids when they reject the offer or whatever.
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It's a completely ludicrous, childish idea of how some sort of shadowy operation would
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work.
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He's talking about Ender's Game.
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Yeah.
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That's what it is.
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Yeah, probably.
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Yeah.
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I've never read it, but I assume that you have and you're making a great reference.
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I trust you.
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Maybe the better for the doubt, Dan.
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I trust you.
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But yeah, this is a child's understanding of something and the way a child hero worships
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their dad by trying to make them into...
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I don't even believe that their statewide testing exists to decide who the smartest
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kid in Texas is.
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I'm starting to believe David isn't even his fucking dad.
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He is.
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I found this out.
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Oh yeah?
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I figured that out.
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But I mean, look.
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You did some DMT and figured it out?
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Talked to aliens.
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Gotcha.
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I got a contract proving that Alex Jones' dad's named David.
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What's that contract written in?
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Blood.
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Oh, man.
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We later find out the aliens love blood.
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Oh, okay.
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But...
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How about chocolate?
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I don't...
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He doesn't bring it up.
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He does say...
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That must just be rapturous.
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He does say that there's tons of different races of aliens.
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Of course.
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I like that.
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Are you angling for Carrie?
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Pleiadians?
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Yeah.
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Are you trying to get on Project Ella?
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I know who's the Pleiadian.
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Carrie is.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So, at this next point, Alex brings up abortion and they have a little conversation about
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how there are people who are trying to keep babies alive to sell their organs post-birth.
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Right.
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Why not?
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And that's what Governor Northam in Virginia was talking about when he did an interview.
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In blackface?
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No.
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Nope.
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But we do find out why that happened.
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Racism.
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The blackface thing.
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No, it wasn't about that.
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It was.
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It might have initially been.
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But the reason that the story came forward is because...
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We'll get to it.
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Okay.
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He was being blackmailed.
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But...
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He was being blackfaced, actually, is what we call it now.
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We'll get blackmail face.
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We'll get to that in a second.
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But in this next clip, Alex talks about how abortion is really just about stealing babies'
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organs.
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And I have some thoughts on the other side.
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That's why a lot of nurses have noticed now that babies disappear at birth.
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They tell them, oh, your baby died.
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That's why the governor said, who's actually an organ harvesting doctor, he goes, we keep
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the babies alive after they're born and have a discussion.
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They're getting caught now because we've decompartmentalized.
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Wait a minute.
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I'm confused at what you're saying.
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But see how it just never ends.
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Yeah.
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What are you saying about babies?
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Like, what are they dealing with babies?
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You saw the governor of Virginia say, we keep babies alive after they're born and kill them,
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right?
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Well, I didn't see that.
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We keep them comfortable.
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But I am very, very concerned with late-term abortions.
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Well, this is post-birth job.
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Stop it, guys.
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So I understand.
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Post-birth.
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How much money do you think they get for a seven and a half pound baby they can keep
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alive for two weeks?
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60 bucks?
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And mama doesn't know.
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So if they can register the organs and get bidders, then they can make 500,000.
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But wait a minute, you're saying babies' babies, they kill on the spot, only gets 50 grand.
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So you have 50 grand for like a fetus, but you have 500,000 for a two-week-old baby with
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the organs.
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Here's what I want to say.
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His whole argument about chimeras is that they're trying to create organ harvesting
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type things with chimeras.
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So if abortion is what they're doing that for, it kind of defeats the purpose of chimeras.
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These are kind of the same thing.
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I don't understand why you need both.
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Well, I mean, chimeras are just a better renewable resource.
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You see how the birth rates are going down.
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Of course.
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Wow.
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If we're not having enough kids to abort after they were born.
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I know Jim Cramer from Mad Money, his big message was always diversify your portfolio.
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That's true.
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So that makes sense.
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I guess my complaint goes out the window.
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Well, it's like the UAE, man.
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They control a lot more oil, so we're trying to find our own sources of energy.
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True.
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Women control all the babies.
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We can't be having that.
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We got to make sure that they're fucking subjugated.
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So that's why we're creating spider goats.
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It makes perfect sense.
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Makes sense.
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Yeah.
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So his whole entire argument hinges around the idea that the governor of Virginia was
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on a radio show and he was asked about a measure that was being discussed that would put no
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limit really on when an abortion could be done.
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Which is a good thing.
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Sure.
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I don't like...
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Between the appropriate care of a physician and a woman, there should not be a limit.
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But it is important that the appropriate care piece is there.
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Of course.
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You need to have doctors who know what they're doing and are acting responsibly.
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Well they're being killed by anti-abortion activists.
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Unfortunately.
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Yeah.
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But I don't like two 40-something year old men talking about abortion, period.
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No.
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Like I don't like it.
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Well...
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I kind of don't even like when we talk about it other than to be like, hey, go for it if
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you want it.
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You know?
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But I think that when we are talking about it, we have to because Alex and Joe have forced
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our hand in terms of we're covering this.
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If we didn't, it would be a glaring omission because of something that happens later that
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is completely fucked up.
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But the important thing to consider is that Ralph Northam, when he was on this radio show,
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he did say something to the effect of after...
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If the woman goes into labor, you can keep the baby comfortable and resuscitated if that's
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what the parent wants.
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He wasn't precise enough in his language and he was speaking really poorly, but what he
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was talking about is an unviable child that is still born by labor and it being born.
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An unviable child or a child with a birth defect, there are examples you can find all
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over the place.
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Like a child that's born with half a brain or something like that and it just will not
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survive.
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Right.
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That sort of thing.
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It's not talking about post-birth abortions.
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It's not talking about euthanasia or anything like that.
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It's talking about a very, very rare situation wherein a baby is born completely unviable.
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And if the parent does want to resuscitate it and try to keep it alive, then why would
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they not do that?
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In the meantime, keeping the baby comfortable to the greatest extent you can isn't necessarily
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some sort of a weird nefarious thing.
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They're making a completely bad argument out of intentionally misunderstanding what the
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guy said.
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And I got no skin in the game in defending him.
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He's a piece of shit.
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Yeah.
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I just don't like...
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How could you not have empathy for that kind of situation where the baby is alive?
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You'd almost rather it was stillborn because if the baby's alive and they're trying to
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keep it alive, you're going to watch something slowly die.
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That's brutal.
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There's a story you can read.
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I can't remember exactly where it was, but there's a lady who had come out and she did
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not have a late-term abortion because it was very difficult for her to get one in the state
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that she was in.
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And she had this child and she has now wished that she had got a late-term abortion because
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the child ended up...
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It had so many medical complications and they worked their ass off, spent so much money
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trying to keep it alive.
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And it still died anyways.
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It died within a year of being born.
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And there was indications still in utero that that was going to be the case, but she couldn't
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travel across state lines to get the abortion that she needed.
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That is fucking brutal.
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Right.
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So there's situations like that and that's exactly the sort of situation that this governor
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was talking about and that Alex is misrepresenting to feed his anti-abortion propaganda position.
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How can your stated position be, I want to watch a parent be tortured and then have them
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watch their kid die?
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Because he doesn't care?
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That's fucking awful.
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How can you not even have the slightest bit of empathy for that?
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Well, if you want to talk about it in the crassest sense possible, it's because everybody
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on the right really understands that maintaining this abortion position is essential to them
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ever winning an election because without the evangelical vote, and that's a big part of
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how they hinge the evangelicals, without that block and the anti-abortion block that's within
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the right wing coalition.
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They're fucked.
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Yeah, exactly.
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They lose that.
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The single issue voters in terms of abortion are what keeps the right wing and the GOP
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alive.
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Right.
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And so you have to.
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And it's just like with guns, the idea of if you give even an inch, it's going to be
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whittled away.
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Right.
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Guns and abortions are two of the biggest things that allow the GOP and the conservative
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party to exist.
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To build their fucking party into giving all of their money away to the rich.
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Right.
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Smart.
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And to ignore all of the things that go along with the program that don't fit with, let's
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say, the evangelicals belief system.
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God, I hate that.
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That sort of thing.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, Alex is wrong about this and he makes a meal out of talking about it and it's
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gross.
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And then he plays the video.
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He has them play the video.
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Jamie pulls it up.
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And yeah, you know, Governor Northam does say, you know, you keep the baby comfortable
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and he does have a bit of a southern accent.
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So Alex gets to be like, didn't I do a good impression?
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Oh boy.
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But because they thought he was doing Bernie, because they have that like that answer that
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the governor gives.
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I mean, it's out of context and they don't have explanatory context or anything like
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that.
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There's no time for that on the show.
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Yeah.
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Alex gets to present this as another win.
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I told you the governor said they keep babies alive.
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Therefore, my conjecture that they keep them alive for two weeks to harvest their organs
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is also true.
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And Joe doesn't have a foot to stand on because he got his mind blown by this clip of Governor
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Northam.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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God damn it.
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That's how this works.
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How can that happen?
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Literally all I can think of while if you're, if you're playing a clip, my next thought
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is like, tell me how this makes sense because this is, this is stupid.
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It's because Joe is relying on Alex to beat me in that situation, right?
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Because sitting next to a duplicitous liar, I know.
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So Alex needs a little bit more support for his argument other than this completely misrepresented
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clip of the governor.
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And so what do you know?
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Here's what he pulls from.
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You saw the Planned Parenthood videos out of Texas and California two years ago that
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Project Veritas others got where they're saying, I'm getting a yellow Ferrari.
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Man I'm making hundreds of thousands off each baby week with partial birth.
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They keep the baby alive, they take it in the back and then they have a van pull up
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that takes it to a Chinese government run facility in the US and they got the sucker.
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What?
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Okay.
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Prove that.
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What kind of van?
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Would it be like a, is it like a stealth cleaning van?
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Prove that.
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Saw it.
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Okay.
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Prove.
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What he's talking about isn't the Project Veritas videos.
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It might as well be.
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Right.
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Those weren't the ones he's specifically talking about, although they did also do manipulative
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edited videos about Planned Parenthood.
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This is the Center for Medical Progress videos that came out in 2015 that were a complete
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hoax, completely like manipulatively edited that got these guys in a bit of hot water
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about it legally for videotaping these people without consent and for misrepresenting what
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the full tapes showed.
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Right.
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So Alex is using.
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Which is what happens.
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So Alex complains that people edit and chop his stuff to make him sound different.
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When you actually do that, you get into legal trouble.
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True.
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And Alex will then use that as evidence that he's right about everything.
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Exactly.
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Fucking stupid.
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Yeah.
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We'll get back to this topic of Alex's feelings about abortion a little bit later because
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he has a bit of a blow up and starts screaming in a probably fake way, but also seems kind
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of real.
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Yeah.
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His face looks terrifyingly angry.
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Well, he's drunk.
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So there's a part of it where about four Tito's in.
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Yeah.
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If you're if you're fake angry when drunk, that'll turn into real anger.
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It's easy to skip over that line without realizing.
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Yeah.
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But before we get there, we have to hear a deeply troubling revelation from Alex's life.
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I mean, I remember when I was growing up in Rockwell, Texas, I ran into like a satanic
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call.
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I was a senior in high school.
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She's super hot.
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I mean, I'm in I'm in I'm in ninth grade and like she's picking me up in a Mercedes and
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I'm taking me some mansion.
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The sex with her is incredible.
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And I'm walking out of the house because I was like I was about 16 when I was 13.
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And the dad goes, you like screwing my daughter?
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Yeah, I screw her to.
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Well, just as soon as you join us, you love Lucifer.
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You get all the tell you want, boy, because we want you.
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But but.
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Really?
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Oh, yeah.
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But that's.
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Yeah.
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In my life that deeply fucked up story, there are so many levels to that that are deeply
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fucked up.
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Like just like just like if you take even having sex with this older woman at the time
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when you're 13.
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Problematic.
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Well, even if you take that out of the equation, being in that household, experiencing something
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like that.
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Like, let's say he's just friends with this girl and he's over and the dad's like, I fuck
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my daughter.
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You want to join our satanic cult?
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That would be deeply traumatizing.
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The idea that you now incorporate that he's saying the sex with her was awesome.
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That implies that they had sex multiple times.
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Oh, yeah.
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At least he say, oh, God, like you are not capable of processing sexual intercourse and
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the intimacy that comes along with it when you're 13 and a 17 year old girl having sex
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with a 13 year old boy is abuse.
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That is profoundly fucked up.
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Oh, yeah.
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I don't care if Alex looked like he is 16 at the time or anything like that.
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That is not good.
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That is very that is very bad.
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Now, when I was 15, I was dating somebody older than me.
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She was 17.
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She was a senior at the time.
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And it was very much like we didn't sleep together because that was a whole mess.
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You know, like that was one of those things where both of us were like, oh, we're in high
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school.
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Let's just be cool.
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But I think that's good.
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I also want to say, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but I wanted to say some of
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the ideas that Alex is expressing that I don't think are real.
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Like, I don't think that he tried to get inducted into a satanic cult.
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I think that's probably just his weird fantasizing memory.
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That's probably a function of him being completely fucked up.
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I mean, can you imagine going anywhere and having somebody's father who you're sleeping
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with say, I sleep with her too, that doesn't end in like, that's a joke, right?
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No.
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Okay, cool.
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I'm going to run as far and as fast as I can.
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So I don't care if there's a Mercedes involved, I'm going to light that on fire on my way
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out of here.
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Alex then gets into like the idea that satanic cults tried to get him involved and part of
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the, he said that he was a hardcore satanist on a past episode when he was younger.
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That implies that he did go along with it because this is him trying to get recruited
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into a satanic group.
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He said he was in a satanic group.
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It follows that he was in.
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Now a little bit later, he says that in order to get into satanic groups, you have to kill
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your dog.
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What?
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Yeah.
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No.
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Yeah.
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No.
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He does say that.
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Oh my God.
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We're right.
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Where's Nong?
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He killed Nong.
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It's implied, well, I mean, he's presenting it as like, I wouldn't ever do that.
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I never did this.
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Yeah.
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But we do have evidence that he's killed dogs before.
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Not necessarily his dog, maybe it was just a dog with rabies that he had to stomp into
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the ground or whatever, which was deeply fucked up as well.
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But if you take the pieces, like the little parts, they do seem to add up to he killed
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Nong in order to get into a satanic cult.
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Jesus Christ.
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That is a possible timeline that happened in Alex's life.
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This is not good.
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No.
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But again, I have to clarify that I don't believe most of this.
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Cruelty to animals is one of the signature signs of a serial killer.
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I believe he was cruel to animals, but I don't believe the window dressing of this story,
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the satanic cult, the dad who's fucking his daughter, Alex, I believe maybe he had inappropriate
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sexual relations as a younger man.
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I do buy that.
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I think that part is maybe possible.
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I buy that one hard.
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And I believe that he's still suffering from some of the trauma involved in that and not
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processing it in any real way.
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Definitely not in a healthy way.
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No.
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As presented without comment, here is something that Alex says that is really one of the reasons
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why Joe should think twice about having him on his show.
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And also, if you're going to let him be on the show, push back on things like this because
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Joe doesn't, and this is so fucked up.
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You have to know the darker elements of the criminal networks that are inside our government
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are actually running Mexico as a laboratory test because they know Native Americans are
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gung ho and they're tough and they're ready to fight.
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I'm part Native American, only like 6%, Tamanche, and Texas, and just that little bit makes
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me wild.
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And so they can get them because they're powerful, they're smart, they're neat, they're cool,
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but genetically, they go into group think really, really fast.
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And so Native Americans, you can mind control really fast.
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Why is that?
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Well, it's like Vietnam.
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You know the Bering Land Strait and basically they test the genetics of Mesoamericans,
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it's basically Chinese.
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What?
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Hun, because there was always some whites and Vikings even 10,000 years ago in the area.
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Hold up.
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But nobody in fights, like in Korea fighting the Chinese, that's who were really fighting
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there or Vietnam.
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I mean, they're like, they're conscious and real people, but when they get into a fight,
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they all sync up and are robots that have no fear.
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I mean, you're talking about psychotic killers you're fighting.
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And so Asians are about the most fearless killers there are.
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Like the Mongols?
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Any of them.
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I mean, once Asians go to war, it's like they do not, in fact, they're not even crazed going
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wild in a battle.
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What?
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They're like robots coming to kill you.
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And so-
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What do you think that's from?
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Do you think that's from their heritage of war, that they have a long, like if you think
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about Japan, Japan has a long history of being a noble warrior culture with the samurais
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and all the martial arts that come from there.
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Well, it's the, but you say, is it from the nobility?
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It's the genetics.
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It's the genetics.
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Ah, no, no, no.
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Ooh.
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No.
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Oh boy.
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I said, presented without comment, because I refuse to even engage with that.
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No, no, no, no.
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That's just-
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That's deeply fucked up.
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That's just demonstrative of how Alex thinks.
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That is deeply fucked up.
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That's crazy.
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That is a crazy thing to say.
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I, okay.
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This is something I want to ask because I do feel like it's important.
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Joe is coming off like the shittiest piece of shit that could be in your clips.
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So I just want to confirm that this is the tenor of the interview and not like you're,
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you're, cause we're cutting clips about Alex.
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So naturally that kind of follows that Joe wouldn't have his highlight reel involved,
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you know?
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I don't want to answer that question until we get a little bit further, because like
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I said, there's a rogue variable that changes everything.
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But I will say that-
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Is Eddie Bravo going?
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I don't want to say.
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Look, here's the thing.
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Oh, God dammit.
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Here's the thing.
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I think that Joe got a sense, and I don't think that he fully understood that Alex was
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lying to him about the Sandy Hook stuff, even still.
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But I think that he probably got a sense within the first 20 minutes or so of like, this is
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going to be fucked up.
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Because Alex comes in with a head of steam and he's just ranting while Joe tries to respond
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to things that are like, hold on, slow down, slow down.
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And Alex isn't slowing down.
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So I think he kind of realizes like, this isn't going to be whatever I want it to be.
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So let's just lean into it.
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And so instead of being like, Alex, what are you saying Native Americans are easy to mind
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control?
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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Prove your premise or anything like that.
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He's just like, well, do you think that there's a cultural explanation for why Asian military
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tradition goes the way that it does in China and stuff like that?
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And Alex is like, no, it's genetics.
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Because I think he's checked out a little bit because he realizes he's playing handball
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with the curtains.
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Like he's not going to be able to play an actual game or have a real conversation.
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Alex is going to get the points he wants across.
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And then as soon as Joe responds to something, Alex will take the conversation in a new direction
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that he can control.
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Yeah.
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And it's like, to a certain extent, it is still a show.
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So he can either have a show or he can have a fight.
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And then it's over after an hour.
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So he's got time to film.
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Right.
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It's Gallagher's episode of marriage.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Which is kind of cowardly to, eh, whatever.
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Whatever.
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I'm not going to legislate or I'm not going to litigate that.
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I think that what's going on too is that like, yeah, it's just sort of like a don't rock
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the boat kind of thing and a recognition of like, what are we going to do?
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What are we going to do?
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What's the game that we're going to play?
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But to answer your question more specifically, you're saying that Joe's coming off like a
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pile of shit.
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Yeah.
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I think that there's an argument you could make that that's a fair assessment.
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But I also think that there's an argument you could make of him being a showman in this
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situation trying to moderate whatever is being said as best he can and then just doing a
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terrible job of it.
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So I don't think it's his intention to be a piece of shit.
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But I also think he doesn't recognize some of the things Alex is saying.
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I think he gets caught up in trying to make sense of Alex's words and his rhetoric.
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And he misses point A because Alex is already onto point D.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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And he's going to say things like intrinsic problems of why you should never have Alex
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on your show.
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He's going to say things that you're just incapable of responding to.
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And then it's broadcast on challenged, unquestioned on your show.
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Right.
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To a hundred twenty thousand people live and more people after the fact.
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Yeah.
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We have a we have a clear track record of like either you don't challenge him and he
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says a ton of bullshit and you gave him a platform to do it.
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Yeah.
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Or you do challenge him and he gets in a fight with you.
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And then he gets even more publicity.
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Or he gets really weird like that Patrick Bette David interview where he turns it super
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esoteric.
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Yeah.
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Than that shit.
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You're not going to there's no it's like a it's like fucking the only way to win is not
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to play.
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Yeah.
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Like that's the situation there.
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It's war games.
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I agree.
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So he's talking about these genetic mind control ability levels of various races which isn't
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good.
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I mean that's the type of racism that you're like this is bad racism.
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But also I mean nobody else is throwing that racism around.
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I think some people are.
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I think that Native Americans are easy to mind control.
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Maybe that not that specific point real specific.
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It's pretty specific.
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I think it's sort of an offshoot of a lot of this sort of race realism the sort of scientific
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racism.
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Oh yeah.
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That exists in the right wing today.
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Stefan Molyneux.
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Sure.
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That fucker.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think there is some of that.
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I hope he gets hit by a truck.
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Which is why this naturally transitions into a talk about intelligence.
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And Alex.
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Oh no.
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He does his standard shit about how like the Japanese and the whites are the highest.
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But that's not to say blacks are dumb.
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I don't care about that.
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We don't need to listen to that again.
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But it leads to this which I think is preposterous.
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So there's not just one type of intelligence.
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Yeah.
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Oh for sure.
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Yeah.
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I mean there's tests that you can run in terms of mathematics.
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But there's no real tests you can run in terms of social intelligence.
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Real tests is psychic connectivity and they've proven that DNA is a transceiver.
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And so my skill is, that's why I'm usually kind of like almost autistic, is I'm just
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being constantly like everything that's going on.
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But then if I actually focus in I can like figure out the exact enemy operation.
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That's why they're really pissed.
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That's not why people are pissed.
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No.
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I don't think anyone would give a shit.
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No.
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I mean their psychic connectivity skills are so strong.
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Is he trying to talk about morphic knowledge and all of that shit?
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God, that's so stupid.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip Alex complains about people making accusations about him that lead
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to real world consequences and I find that deeply, deeply ironic.
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They have Stephen Colbert get up on air and say that I'm a KKK member and make jokes and
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you know what?
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People shouted at me on the street.
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Well that's unfortunate.
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Oh you poor thing.
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No.
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No.
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You said you're a KKK guy and then people yelled at you.
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You said that people whose families died are actors and they got harassed and got death
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threats.
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I don't give a fuck if someone yelled at you because someone made a joke about you in a
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late night show.
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I mean sure, I don't like any kind of harassment falling on people.
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I think that's, I wouldn't support that.
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I'm sure that Stephen Colbert didn't say that Alex was a Klan member.
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I'm sure there was a joke that he was making that compared to the two or something like
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that.
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Yeah, he didn't just like start, hey, welcome back to the late show.
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Alex Jones is a Klan member and now we're going to start the show.
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Or I'm sure that Stephen Colbert didn't get on air and be like, listen guys, I didn't
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believe that Alex was a Klan member, but now I have new information that I have found and
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hey, I take no pleasure in reporting this to you.
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Alex Jones is a Klan member and now let's have an interview with, I don't fucking know,
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Bradley Cooper.
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That's not, that's not the way it went.
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Bradley, how do you feel about the Klan?
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I've been a member since 19, wait, wait, wait, hold up.
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That's what Alex did to the Sandy Hook family members.
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And so any kind of attempt for him to be like, I'm a victim of this negative attention because
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people malign me.
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It's like, take it, take a number asshole.
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You are way more guilty of that than anybody else.
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So I'm going to revoke that victim card from you.
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I kind of don't give a fuck Alex.
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You can go fuck yourself.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex talks about how he knows a guy in the UFC who you won't name.
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He will not name this guy.
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He's about to name that guy.
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He's not.
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He's going to say his name.
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He won't name this guy.
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No, no, no, no.
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He's going to say his name.
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I know he's going to say his name.
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Oh, he doesn't actually say his name?
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No, because it's all made up, but he will not name this guy, but he was going to get
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a TV show, but then things turned bad because the network had a strange demand.
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Here's an example, there's a very well known UFC fighter that you know, who has shows on
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Discovery History Channel.
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I'm not going to say his name.
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Okay.
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And I got a call about a month ago and they're like, wow, this is incredible.
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Don't say my name, but you can talk about it.
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They were going to offer me this new big lucrative show, but they said, you're going to come
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out and denounce Alex Jones on the show, or we're not going to give you the show.
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And he said, no.
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So hell yeah, man.
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Huh?
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Huh?
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You're going to denounce him on the show.
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Why would they need that from you?
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From him?
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Yeah.
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But why would they need that from him?
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Because here's what's happening.
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Why would they need him to denounce you on the show?
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I'm not that important.
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But that gives you even more attention.
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Well, let me explain.
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That's their delu...
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Okay.
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Well, then why did everybody else censor?
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Why did Hitler censor?
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Why did the Russians censor?
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Like you think, most of the time, censorship actually works.
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Yeah, but that's a weird one, man.
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Someone's saying they're not going to give you a gig unless you specifically denounce
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Alex Jones.
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It happens.
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What kind of show is it?
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Is it a cooking show?
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No.
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Joe, let me break this down for you.
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Okay.
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I swear on my kids I told you the truth about that.
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I believe you.
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I believe you.
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But I'm saying it just seems so crazy that they would ask him to denounce you on a television
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show.
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I'm not saying it's impossible.
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That's what everybody who's not independent is told because they're beholding other people.
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You're a rarity.
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I don't like this.
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I don't like the fact that this is Joe's best pushback moment.
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This is the moment where Joe's like, hey dude, I am actually in show business.
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And in UFC.
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I've done all of that.
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I've been given shows.
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That's not how it goes.
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It's absurd for you to be suggesting this.
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It's an embarrassing narrative for you to be putting forth about your own oppression
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and how everybody has to denounce you or else they can't work.
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It's the mark of the beast is saying that Alex Jones is awful.
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That sort of thing.
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Yeah.
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I think that he just got too close to where Joe lives because it's show business and it's
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UFC related.
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He's trying to appeal to Joe and be like, there are people near you.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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It could be you next.
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When in reality on Alex's show, he said that Joe has been threatened and to denounce him
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and stuff like that.
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And that's why he was behaving that way.
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At the end there when he's like, you're a rarity, you're one of the few.
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Is he just talking about Joe?
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No, he's pandering to Joe.
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Yeah, exactly.
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At the end there when he's like, you're one of the only people who's independent and does
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their own thing.
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That's reneging on all of the things that he's said about Joe in the last month or so.
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He said that he is a complete shill, all this stuff.
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He pretends he's independent, but he takes money from Jack Dorsey.
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Also, I don't like Joe recognizing exactly what's going on in both that story and not
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recognizing that the same thing is going on on his show where he's like, wait, if that
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guy denounces you, that only gives you more attention.
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And you're like, dude, you get it, but you're having him on his show.
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Yeah, but I think Joe understands that he's giving Alex more attention, but I think he
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thinks that he's much more harmless than he is because he doesn't recognize those things
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that Alex says that are completely not based in reality that are super dangerous and racist.
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Things like Native Americans are easy to mind control, shit like that.
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He doesn't recognize that as being as toxic and cancerous from a rhetoric standpoint.
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And so he's just like, ah, whatever.
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He's obsessed with being the guy who, I'll talk to whoever, like he had Tyson on the
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other day.
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Yeah.
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Like not the other day, but a little bit back.
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Tyson?
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Mike fucking Tyson on this show.
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I thought you were talking about former Chicago comedian, Jason Karish.
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He did not make it appear.
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He has really gone up in the world.
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To the stars.
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Doesn't he live in Australia now or something?
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I don't know why we need to put his business out there.
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So I, yeah, I mean, Joe's obsessed with that image being the guy, you know, like I don't
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care.
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Right wing, left wing.
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It's important to have conversations.
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It's all about this.
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Yeah.
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Like I'm not an interviewer.
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I'm just having a conversation with people who are interesting.
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First Alex came for the native Americans and I said nothing.
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Then he went for the Asians and I said nothing, but he came at me about UFC and I'm going
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to shut that shit down.
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Right.
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I'm going to push back pretty hard.
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Hell yeah.
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So like the two of them had a bit of a fight and I think it's an open question.
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How much of that was a stunt on Alex's part, the intensity with which he followed through
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with it.
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And like I said, the level of things he was doing, like putting Joe's family's business
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in the streets and stuff like that, betraying confidences and stuff like that doesn't make
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like that's a bad publicity stunt if that's what Alex was intending to do.
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If he was trying to bait him into a war or something like that, that makes sense.
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But the end result of that wouldn't be to get on his show.
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Yeah.
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It would get, it would be to get Joe to talk about him on the show and create, you know,
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some sort of a rap beat echo machine.
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Yeah.
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And whatever the case is, Alex explains in this next clip what he felt the breaking point
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with Joe was when he realized this guy is too far gone.
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I got to take him on where, where that was going on.
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So when I saw you was my breaking point, go, Hey, Alex Jones is full of crap.
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George Soros was a victim of the Nazis in the Holocaust.
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That's not what I said.
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I didn't say you're full of crap.
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I said he wasn't a Nazi.
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I go, the story that I watched the interview and I don't know what he did.
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I don't know the guy.
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I don't know him.
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I don't know.
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I know very little about him.
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But what I remember from the story was that he was saying that when the Nazis occupied,
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he was with his, I believe it was his uncle, his godfather, and took him around as a Christian
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and pretended he was a Christian when they were stealing from these Jews, when they would
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take their, and he just thought it was normal because he was 13 years old, but he was talking
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about it, that he was shielded by this person.
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No, I would be willing to take his explanation.
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What?
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What?
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Well, then it's over.
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I would be willing to take his explanation.
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We did it.
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Well, I mean, to be fair, he does go on to say that he doesn't take that explanation,
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but he's having to pretend that he's more reasonable and more rational because he's
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talking with Joe and Joe's like, I watched that interview.
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You can't pull the like sleight of hand tricks that you normally do.
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I know what you're talking about.
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And what your version of it isn't true.
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So Alex has to start with that qualification.
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I would believe that.
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I would believe that interpretation.
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And then he says this, and actually it's worse for Alex after he explains why he doesn't
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take that interpretation.
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If somebody put a gun to my head and said, we're going to kill you if you don't help
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round up Joe Rogan's kids and put them in a concentration camp, I'd say, oh yeah, I
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agree with you.
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I'll grab the gun away and kill them.
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Did he say, he just said that it was just taking property.
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No, they were, what do you think, was it the Nazi show them take your property and then
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you don't go away?
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Yes.
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This is bullshit.
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It was after people had already been taken away.
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The Godfather was part of cleanup crews that would go around to the houses of people who
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had been taken to camps.
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It's not, Alex is presenting it as they showed up and stole stuff and then bada bing, the
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Nazis came as if they were the precursor as opposed to being there to catalog the property
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that Nazis were going to then confiscate.
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This is bullshit.
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If Alex knew anything, he would know that.
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He's trying to present it as they were the, um, I don't know, the silver surfer that came
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around as the, the Herald of, uh, of the Nazis.
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Very nice.
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Thank you.
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Rare comic book reference coming from me.
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So it gets worse.
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I don't know.
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I mean, I don't know what happened in Romania and Hungary, but, but Joe, what he was saying,
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they have headlines saying, okay, so you're saying you think that it was more, no, no.
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He did an NPR interview.
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I'm not trying to go indict George Soros.
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Okay.
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Well, here's where I fucked up cause I shouldn't have even said anything about it cause I don't
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know much about it.
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The real absolute honesty is, I've seen, I've seen a couple of interviews.
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It's open to interpretation.
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No, it's fucking not.
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It's open to interpretation.
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You have just invalidated your entire argument.
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Yep.
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If you are just saying that this is how I look at it, then you are, you can't make the
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claims that you do.
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Especially when you presented it as fact a million times.
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You presented so definitively, this guy rounded up his fellow Jews in the Holocaust.
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This guy's a Nazi collaborator.
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It's not, from his words, I get the sense that he was a Nazi collaborator.
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I am inclined to be suspicious and believe that he is a Nazi collaborator.
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He's reporting it.
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The fact that he's on Rogan's show and Rogan gives the smallest amount of pushback on this
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and be like, that's not what I said.
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And also that interview doesn't say what you're saying.
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It does.
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It's a matter of interpretation because he knows that if he pushes harder or like if
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Joe pushes harder or if Alex is, no, absolutely he rounded up Jews, Joe will then say, how
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do you know that?
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And Alex will have no answer.
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Well, that's why Alex brought up the NPR interview because Joe hadn't watched that one.
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Right.
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It doesn't say anything more.
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No, it was that, it was that kind of, that was such a slick move on Alex's part of just
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like, no, okay, fine.
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You watch the interview that I lie about all the time.
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Well, guess what?
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There's another interview that does contain all the information that I need and I don't
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even need to bother with that.
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And now granted, I always reference the 60 Minutes interview when I want to make this
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point, but because I'm challenged, now I pull up another one.
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It's moving the goalposts entirely when you realize that your fucking argument doesn't
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stand.
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Every time.
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Every fucking time.
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And because he's able to do these things and because Joe hasn't seen that NPR interview
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and because Joe doesn't have the fucking time to do the stuff that I do in terms of looking
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into this stuff, he ends up having to stipulate Alex's conjecture or whatever.
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He has to at least allow it to be like, well, I don't know.
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Right.
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I can't say I don't know.
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Right.
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And then Alex, he has to cede the point to him to some extent and Alex saying it's open
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to interpretation.
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I can't stress this enough.
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That is a damning thing for Alex to say because he would never say that on his own show.
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Oh fuck no.
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He's sitting there alone screaming about Soros, he's going to be like, it's open to interpretation.
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That's pathetic.
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So anyway, they talk more about Soros and Alex makes a claim about him that he's never
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made before and is cockamamie bullshit.
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He's actually a dog.
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George Soros ran the breakup of the Soviet Union.
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George.
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I've had the former head of, of, of what do you got Jamie guy thing type name George Soros
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tried to crash the pound, the pound.
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So the pound stuff is fine.
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We'll talk about that a little bit.
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Yeah, it's actually now 14 ounces.
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Yeah.
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It's a stone.
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Yeah.
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Um, we'll, we'll, uh, we'll talk about that in the next clip, but Alex talks about him
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overthrowing governments all the time, which is just him trying to help democratizing forces
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in former Soviet block countries.
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We've discussed that in detail.
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It's all bullshit ad nauseum, but he's never, I've never, I'm not going to say he's never
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said it because I don't know, but I've never heard him say that George Soros ran the breakup
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of the Soviet Union.
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And I'm here to say that if he did, he should be Alex's hero.
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Alex hates the fucking Soviet Union.
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They are the big bad guys of the anti communist propagandists that he hero worships.
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The idea that Soros quarterback to the breakup of the Soviet Union in Alex's world should
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be seen as a heroic act.
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It's crazy.
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You're an idiot.
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It is crazy.
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How?
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That's a great question.
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How?
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What did he do?
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That is not something Alex explains.
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Who like, who is he in charge of?
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Did he get a government commission?
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He wrote that Reagan speech about tearing down the wall.
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Yeah.
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Like what are you fucking talking about?
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Yeah.
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It's nonsense.
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That's ridiculous.
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So like I said, um, we're going to get to this, uh, this question about, uh, breaking
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the pound.
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Uh, I think we've talked about it a little bit before, but there's a little bit of clarification.
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That might be useful.
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And this is really funny because this is the one of the only instances I think it might
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be the only instance where Jamie looks something up that Alex is talking about and actually
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find something.
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Well, they find an explanation of it and then Rogan reads it on air and Alex tries to interrupt
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him while he's doing it to just, uh, derail it like he does with Obama speeches where
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he's like, okay, hold on, you need to start that over again.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then he tries to push back against that and be like, let me read this.
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Yeah.
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Um, and then you'll finish, you'll finish.
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You'll see what Alex is.
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You'll see what Alex's strategy is.
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It's not good.
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George Soros is highest level deep state.
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He is the manager or was the manager.
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Are you sure these things you're saying, I actually know.
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But how do you know if he has deep research?
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He ran the, cause I'm not the Alex Jones 10 years ago.
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He ran the Marshall.
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We got here, did George Soros break the bank of England, make the little bigger police.
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Now we about to break the bank in Britain, black Wednesday, September 16, the day the
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speculators broke the pound, they didn't actually break it, but they forced the British government
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to pull it from the European exchange rate mechanism, joining the ERM, which was part
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of breaking the Europe, breaking the pound, launched the Euro.
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Scroll it up, please.
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Uh, although it stood apart from the European currencies, the British pound, blah, blah,
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blah, compounding the underlying problems inherent in the pounds inclusion in the ERM.
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I'm not seeing this.
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Where's the part where George Soros does this?
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Well, that's just what you pulled up, but I'm just, I'm just trying to find it.
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There's an NPR interview.
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Spotting the writing on the wall, Britain upped its interest rates to teens and attract
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people to the pound, but speculators George Soros among them began heavily shorting the
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currency.
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The British government gave in and withdrew its ERM, the ERM, as it became clear that
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it was losing billions trying to buoy its currency artificially.
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Although it was a bitter pill to swallow, the pound came back stronger because the excess
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interest in high inflation.
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But Joe, you notice you go to investor pedia, like it's the boss.
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Hold on.
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There's films about this.
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Soros, Soros pocketed $1 billion on the deal and cemented his reputation as the premier
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currency speculator in the world.
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Now, if you're a currency speculator, isn't that what you do though?
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I don't know what a currency speculator does.
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Here's the deal.
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George Soros works for the works for the people that run our government and he's a guy willing
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to do it all.
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And he's been very successful.
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So he just moves on to something else after this, this like explanation that Joe does
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poorly, but he hits the points that are important.
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Like Soros didn't crash the pound at all.
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He profited off it because he was shorting the pound.
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And the reason he was shorting the pound is because of that European exchange rate mechanism.
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The ERM, when the pound got into it, they were resistant to get into it to begin with,
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but when they did, they made a huge mistake in terms of tying it to the German mark.
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The amount that they, the exchange rate...
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The Deutschmark?
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Yeah.
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Gotcha.
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The exchange rate that they nailed it to was something that was unsustainable.
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And it had to stay within a certain range above or below that exchange rate.
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And because of the inflation rates and the interest rates in the United Kingdom at the
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time, it was just impossible for them to keep that up.
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Soros and other investors, he wasn't the only one, he was just the one that made the biggest
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bet on it, were able to recognize the signs on the wall.
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The writing was all over the place for anyone to see that they were about to have to default
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on this shit.
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That was going to cause the pound to go down seriously.
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And if you were able to see what was coming and you bet on it, you would make a lot of
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money.
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Yeah.
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Soros looked at their plan and was like, that's a bad idea, and then bet a shit ton of money
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that it was a bad idea.
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Well, he had some concerns about it, but what made him end up making the big bet that ended
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up winning him a billion dollars in all of this...
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Which should be a crime in and of itself.
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I'm not thrilled with it.
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Yeah.
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I agree with you on that.
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You should not be able to make a billion dollars off...
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We should really regulate speculation so hard.
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But it's like even that article said, the pound did come back much stronger because
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of the crash.
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It was terrible in the immediate, but it was better in the long run to some extent.
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But the issue is that Soros was acting on a report that he had heard from the head of
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the German Central Bank.
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He had given an interview and he was talking about how even if some currencies would have
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to be devalued essentially because of what was going on.
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And the mark was the prevailing standard of the currencies at the time.
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Yeah.
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The German economy was stronger.
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Much stronger at that point.
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So it was the standard bearer.
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And so the idea that the president of the German Central Bank was coming out and saying
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those things, Soros is like, if we're going to move, we got to move today.
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And if we're going to bet a million, let's bet so much more.
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Why not?
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We see the signs here.
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So he and his boys made a massive bet that paid off huge.
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That's what it is.
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He didn't break the bank.
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The bank did it to themselves and he profited off of it.
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He had nothing to do with getting into the ERM.
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He had nothing to do with the rate that they ended up nailing the pound to as it relates
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to the mark.
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There is nothing that he is responsible for in this other than what you might call crass
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capitalist speculation.
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It's the big short all over again.
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So that's important because Alex doesn't understand any of that shit.
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And I don't even think I did a perfect job of explaining.
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There's a lot more little details in there.
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But he's just blaming Soros for things that, you know, who cares?
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It's nonsense.
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He has nothing.
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I mean, yeah, you can explain it in a more detailed and complicated way, but it does
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seem like the basic story is the British government did a bad thing.
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Unwise thing.
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I don't know if it's ethically bad.
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Right.
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Morally bad has that, I mean, like stupid.
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Yeah.
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Well, it doesn't seem like it was entirely stupid at the time.
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It was maybe foolish and shortsighted.
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Yes.
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But it was in response to financial troubles that the pound was in when they decided to
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join the ERM.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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It wasn't a decision that was taken lightly.
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They had resisted getting involved for a long time.
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Right.
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And then needed a force that would stabilize their economy.
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And being in the ERM, the exchange mechanism, was something that would help stabilize the
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economy.
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So they chose to do that and were foolish in terms of the rate.
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Yeah.
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They should have done a different rate.
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Soros was like, got it, bet all the money, and then made a billion dollars.
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Kind of seems pretty, like in retrospect, it seems super simple.
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I imagine that during that time, Soros was absolutely on the vanguard and so many other
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people were like, this is a great idea and we're going to take that back.
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But he also was probably terrified when he did it because if it doesn't pay off, he's
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fucked.
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Because the way these sorts of speculatory bets go, you're borrowing a ton of money to
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make the bet.
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Right.
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You know?
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And if you're wrong and the pound goes up, you have just now borrowed a ton of money
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and lost everything and you have to pay that money back.
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Yeah.
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But it does seem like, relatively speaking, it probably wasn't that scary because it's
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one of those things where even if the pound does go up, it is definitely not going to
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go up by as much as the pound eventually went down.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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Sure.
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So he was going to lose $20 million at the risk of making a billion dollars.
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That's what's discussed in terms of a lot of these speculatory things.
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But the game you're playing is so, there's so many variables involved that like if something,
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in some wild world, the British economy or the British, the exchange rates, the inflation,
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all of that was able to come, like they were able to make it work in just the right way
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as to make them stay within the ERM and it went up, he would have stood to lose so much
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more.
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Like if it went bad, the odds of it going bad are not very high, but if it went bad,
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he would have been fucked.
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He wouldn't be George Soros today.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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And that possibility did exist.
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We would be right back with the Vanderbilts as our main globalist.
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Sure.
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Astors.
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Yeah.
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And reflexivity though too, the idea that you have to be flexible within markets.
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You have to see what's going on and act accordingly.
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This giant bet that he made was an act of his reflexivity principles in practice, because
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the idea was we could bet like $10 million on this or whatever.
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And that's one way to do it, but reflexivity would tell you, this is an opportunity where
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you can make a billion.
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Right.
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So why not do that?
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Yeah.
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And in Oceans 11, you're going to lose to the House, but if you make a big bet, blah,
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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The window is only open at certain times.
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Exactly.
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The window is open now.
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Yeah.
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So whatever.
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I do believe that there is ethical conversations you could have about that, but they're not
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what Alex is having.
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He has nothing.
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He has no fucking idea what he's talking about.
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He just wants to demonize this guy because he stands for and supports liberal democratizing
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forces in countries that he wishes were still part of the Soviet Union, I guess, or in America.
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Whatever.
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Yeah.
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So I told you.
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Whatever plan it is that you think he has, it's a bad idea.
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I told you there's a rogue variable.
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Yes.
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And you have correctly guessed what it is.
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Eddie Bravo.
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Eddie Bravo.
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Eddie Bravo shows up.
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Why?
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Because I think-
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Where was he in the beginning?
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Well, here's the deal.
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From what I was able to gather, Eddie Bravo was scheduled to do an episode after Alex's
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episode.
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And he showed up early.
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Well, I think Alex wanted him there because he needs somebody dumber than him or more
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gullible than him.
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Right, right, right.
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Like he needs to have an elevated status over somebody and he can't have that with Joe.
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And also Joe realized this isn't going all that well.
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If I get Eddie in here, we'll at least have a third wheel.
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Yeah, it'll be wild.
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It solves everyone's problems.
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Right.
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And so they text him and tell him to come early.
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Oh, man.
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And so Eddie shows up and I think this might be a part of why the episode ended up being
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five hours long because they just decided to keep going.
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But here is Eddie's introduction to the episode, Alex Gets Fucking Weird.
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Oh, my God.
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Eddie Bravo's here.
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Oh, shit.
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Jesus Christ.
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You guys haven't choked each other out yet?
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No, we're having a great time.
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We're having a great time talking about interdimensional beings.
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What kind of fucking shit is this?
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Notza, bro.
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Fuck, I'll choke you out with this shirt.
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Notza.
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Eddie, you know me.
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I'm going to make you regret wearing this.
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Fuck.
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So he-
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Eddie Bravo comes in hot.
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Alex is wearing a NASA shirt and a part of it was to troll Eddie because he doesn't believe
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space is real.
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So he's a flat earth guy.
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You know what?
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It's complicated.
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Actually, I'm fine with it.
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I'm fine with whatever Eddie Bravo wants.
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So I think he was trying to fuck with Eddie by wearing the shirt.
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And so Eddie comes in, I'm going to choke you out with that shirt, you son of a bitch.
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Good work, Eddie.
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Just joking around.
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Yeah.
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Fucking jerk.
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Listen, in high school, we used to choke each other out.
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That's like a DM teacher.
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Go ahead and choke me out.
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On there.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Please don't.
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I'm not scared.
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Let's do it.
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No, no, no.
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Eddie, don't.
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Please don't choke.
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I'm unconscious.
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Do it now.
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I'm not afraid.
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Let's go.
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Do it.
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You can't do it.
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You can't do it.
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You don't want him to do it.
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You know what?
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Let's not be pussy.
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Choke me out.
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So this goes on for a while.
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Alex is begging Eddie to choke him and it comes up again.
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Like it's just, this is a sad display of a drunk asshole.
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So Eddie shows up and he tells a story about being like, I guess maybe he worked at the
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strip club or he was at the strip club.
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I'm not entirely sure.
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It's irrelevant.
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It was a flat strip club though.
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This guy, the guy who ran the place was like, if this little lady can choke me out, then
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I'll give her the keys to my car.
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And this young, like a small woman who Eddie had taught how to do a choke hold, got up
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on a bar stool and choked the guy out and he passed out, hit his head on the ground.
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And as soon as he hit the ground, he woke back up and he was furious.
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And Eddie's like, you've got to give her those keys.
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That sort of thing.
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It's a fine story.
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Yeah.
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He could have died.
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It sounds like that was a very, I could have died moment right there.
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Oh, toxic masculinity.
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But at the same time in the realm of Joe Rogan's show, it's, it's a fine story told well.
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The specs are, the standards are so much lower, fair, fair.
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So whatever Eddie tells the story, they all have a good laugh.
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And then Alex tells this story, which I think he's trying to build on and be like, aren't
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I fun too.
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And it is deeply disturbing.
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I don't think I've ever been choked completely out.
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The first time I got choked out was like this 17 year old super hot chick.
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And I was like 13 tied up and she lived down the street and she goes, I already, I got
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promiscuous.
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I was pretty young, like 12.
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And she goes, I'll have sex with you.
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It's a true story.
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I'll have sex with you if you let me put makeup on you.
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So I'm not into gay stuff or anything and she's super hot.
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Now I'm going to choke you out and that relationship went really well until like 30 year old boyfriend
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caught me at her place once cause her mom was always working and tried to kill me in
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the parking lot.
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Oh my God.
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Yeah.
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Oh my God.
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So that's the guy he probably technically killed.
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No, no, no, no.
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There's more stories coming.
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Dude.
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That is a, that's profoundly fucked up.
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That's deeply disturbing.
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Yeah.
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I think a lot of his anger at the LGBT community and trans people in particular probably maybe
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has some part in this abuse that he suffered from the 17 year old, other 17 year old girl
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who he was sexually active with, who forced him into cross dressing at a young age as
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a requirement to have sex with her.
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If this story is true at all.
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Yeah.
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But if it isn't, why is he bringing it like, why these details are weird.
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This sounds true.
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And you know what?
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There is no problem with that among two consensual adults.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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No, no, no.
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Be forcing a 12 year old to put makeup on experimenting with makeup or any of that stuff
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is no big deal.
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Boyfriend is 30 years old.
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That's another piece of this.
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That's another piece of this.
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She is also a victim.
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This lady is 17 year old fucking a 12 year old and a 30 year old simultaneously.
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She's got range.
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This is a difficult situation.
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Yeah, no, but I mean what you, what you're describing.
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Here, not you, but what Alex is describing here, if you really take all the packaging
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off it and all the sensational, uh, look, uh, I got fucked and then choked out kind
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of stuff out of it.
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You're describing Alex Jones as a 12, 13 year old child being in a super chaotic environment,
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like to the point where just existing in that space.
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Like I said about the last story you told, just existing in a space where you're hanging
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out with a 17 year old girl who is being abused by a 30 year old boyfriend, uh, in the context
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of a quote unquote relationship that is enough to really have a lasting imprint in you.
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That's terrifying to a child.
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That lack of control and lack of stability, that lack of any kind of real, um, what you
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need in your formative years to integrate, to come to a healthy adulthood is absent there.
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He's saying that this is a girl whose parents were never home.
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So she was fucking a 30 year old and then she acted out on me as well.
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Like there's no parental supervision around.
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There's profound abuse happening.
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It's just like, like you take everything, you take everything out of it and you're like,
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what you're left with is like, this should be a story for therapy, not laughs on Roman's
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show.
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It's, it's so much a combination of a lot of like fucked up things.
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Like the worst part is, is the way that this story is being told as if putting makeup on
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is first off gay shit, which go fuck yourself.
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And then second, this story is being told like, like how it's a hero story.
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Like how a, whenever a adult male teacher has sex with one of his students, everybody's
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like, this is fucked up.
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But whenever an adult female teacher has one, has sex with one of her students, we're like,
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Oh, she's bad.
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But everybody's like, given that like the joke is they're given that dude high fives
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and you're like, no, no, no, no, no.
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It doesn't, this is fucked up.
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It's true.
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People's brains.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And to some extent I'll say that Alex has the right to tell the story however he wants
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because it's his experience.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah.
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I don't, I don't think that, you know, we need to, I don't know.
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It's such a weird line, like, because what he's doing is normalizing all of these sorts
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of things by laughing about it and being like, isn't it awesome?
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Yeah.
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Which is bad.
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But at the same time, if that, like, I don't believe this is the case, but if in the context
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of his lifelong therapy, he's come to peace with these experiences that he had.
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No chance.
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No.
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Zero chance.
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But if that were the case and he's able to laugh about it and be like, isn't this crazy?
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Yeah.
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That's what he's doing.
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I don't think that's bad.
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Yeah.
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But that's not what he's doing.
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It is.
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That is not what he's doing.
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And it's irresponsible of Rogan and Bravo to both be like, ha ha ha.
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This is funny.
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Like, there's no way that anybody could tell me that story and I wouldn't be like, that's,
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you need to deal with that.
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You need to deal with that in a much better way than telling me the story like it's a
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joke.
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Yeah.
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Cause that's fucked up.
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Yeah.
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It's a mess.
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But I mean, it's not like we're friends or accomplices.
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Yeah.
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Enablers.
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Enablers for sure.
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So in this next clip, this is probably my favorite thing that happened on the show.
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And I say that like in the same way that like when you buy an album, when you're a kid and
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your favorite song on it is the single.
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Yeah.
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It's just not a good album.
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So you just like the single.
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Right, right.
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The rest of it's trash.
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This is before iTunes allowed you to buy just one song.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You would be screwed over.
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You're like, why did I buy SemiSonic's album?
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I just like closing time.
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Why did anybody buy a semi-sonic?
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It's that, or Verve pipe.
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I like the freshman.
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Whatever.
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It's that sort of thing.
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You get the album and you're like, fuck this.
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That's kind of how I feel about this.
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This is the single, and I think this is one of the clips that's probably going to be gift
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and sent around and go big.
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And what it is, is Eddie Bravo trolling Alex really hard.
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And it's hilarious on some level.
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Because Eddie had been listening to the show on his way to the studio, so he knows what
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Alex has been talking about, and he uses that against Alex because he's drunk, and Alex
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freaks out.
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Not anymore.
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Let me tell you something right now.
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Come on.
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Let me tell you something right now.
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I came here and I proved they're keeping babies alive and taking their organs.
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How did you prove that?
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Actually, there are many.
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Jamie pulled some shit up on Google.
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No, no, no.
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They admitted them.
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That's you two.
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They're normalizing it.
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No, the fucking...
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The governor!
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Listen to me!
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You really think, do you really think there's people out there campaigning for late-term
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abortions?
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You think that shit's real?
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You think that shit's real?
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The sheriff voted Monday to keep it legal until...
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Who would do that?
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Who would do that?
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Who would campaign for...
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They fucking did it, Bravo!
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So to give a little bit of context, the reason that Eddie is trolling him like this is because
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Alex does that about Eddie's flat earth beliefs.
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So he's mirroring all of Alex's complaints about like, where did you learn that?
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Oh, it's just a fucking YouTube video, all this stuff.
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Who actually believes there's a flat earth, like all that stuff.
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So he's turning that around on Alex just to fuck with him, and Alex is losing.
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That's pretty great.
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You can't fucking admit they're fucking killing Arnie Voorheinz so you're telling me it isn't
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real when they had a fucking vote in the goddamn fucking senate!
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That's a conspiracy theory.
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That's a conspiracy theory.
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You think you're fucking tough?
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You're about to get it.
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Bullshit!
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They're killing Arnie Voorheinz!
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Stop fucking lying!
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God fucking damn it!
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I'm gonna piss now.
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Don't get pissed.
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No!
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I mean, you saw the...
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Dude, it's...
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I'm just fucking with you!
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Alex!
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Alex!
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I was fucking with you!
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The fucking senate voted to kill babies, and they're fucking born!
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I was just playing with you.
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Of course I believe that, Alex!
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Let me explain.
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Of course!
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I believe!
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Eddie, let me explain.
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It's all over the news!
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I was just playing with you!
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Let me explain to you, let me explain to you.
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We went into a long conversation about that.
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I heard it!
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We played...
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I heard it!
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Okay, you heard it.
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I heard the whole podcast!
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I'm playing with you!
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That, first off, if you allow yourself to get fucked with by Eddie Bravo, that's, that's
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shame on you.
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Shame on you!
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It's not even fooling with what shame on you is.
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No, no, no, no.
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That period, fuck, you lose.
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You lose for good!
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Yeah.
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There's, I mean, it's delightful on some levels.
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In much the same way that when I, like I told you, I was at that AAW event, and the wrestler,
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Eddie Kingston, punched out the guy in the crowd.
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Like I don't know if that was, I didn't know if that was real or fake for quite a bit.
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I still, like, same way, listening to this, I don't know if Alex's anger at this is performative.
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If you watch it, you see his face, he does look not like he's playing.
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Right.
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But he's drunk.
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He's winding up and like walk, like sort of pacing a little bit, but all of his outbursts
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of emotion always have a tinge of like, this doesn't seem real.
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It's not human.
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He's a psychopath.
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Yeah.
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But at the same time, I don't really care.
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That response to Eddie clearly fucking with him and it takes a long time to talk Alex
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down.
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You heard that there.
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Like a minute.
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Alex, Alex, Alex, Alex, Alex, Alex, I was fucking with you.
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I really, I think the most damning thing, look.
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It's bad that Alex got fucked with by Eddie Bravo.
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That's that's pretty sad.
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The worst part though, is Eddie Bravo going, of course I believe that.
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Like Eddie, you didn't even have to do that part.
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You could have just said you were fucking with him, but then you say, of course I believe
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it.
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But he does.
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Of course he believes it.
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Yeah.
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He believes in flat earth.
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Yeah.
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So Alex screams more about this, about the, uh, how the governor of Virginia.
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That should be Eddie Bravo's t-shirt.
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Just of course I believe you.
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Of course I believe you.
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So he, he screams more about, uh, the governor of Virginia being an organ harvesting doctor.
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Uh, and, uh, that's just a reference to him having a history in pediatrics.
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Yeah.
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Um, but th this is where he explains what happened and how he was under blackmail.
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They're giving a bunch of goddamn fucking organ harvesting doctors control outside of
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law.
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You heard that piece of shit.
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Fucking KKK guy, fucking governor say, we're going to keep them alive after they're fucking
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born because they want to fucking take their organs.
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It's incredible.
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He's a KKK guy.
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It's incredible.
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It's so incredible that he's in a picture with a guy on a KKK outfit in black face.
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They elected him cause he's black males.
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They had that shit.
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And when he messed up and said, we keep them alive to get their fucking organs, they use
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that to deactivate him.
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That's a good conspiracy theory.
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Why do you think fraternities have you screw sheep and all this and you know, give guys
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blow jobs.
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That's why I never joined them.
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Cause they want to compromise you.
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Go back.
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Go back.
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Go back again.
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Fraternities.
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Okay.
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I'm so happily excited to do this podcast.
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So you shouldn't be.
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You can already tell just Eddie being introduced to the proceedings, he has created a completely
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different environment.
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Even if like, sure, him fucking with Alex caused this emotional outburst and what have
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you.
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But like, like throughout the rest of this, it becomes much more palatable to some extent.
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Like everyone has a position that they can work within and it's because Eddie Bravo is
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there.
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The stakes are gone.
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Right.
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Like you don't have to talk about the seriousness of what Alex did in Sandy Hook or any of that
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shit cause Eddie Bravo's there and he believes that the earth is flat.
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Yeah.
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And you fucking can't because Eddie Bravo is probably going to be like, yeah, I don't
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think Sandy Hook happened either.
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And you're like, no, shut it down.
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Shut it down.
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Shut it down.
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Eddie, Eddie, Eddie.
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Also, I would say that Alex, another reason besides the fact that you're forced to fuck
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sheep and give guys blow jobs, another reason you didn't join a fraternity is you went to
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a junior college and then dropped out.
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So I would say that you probably didn't have an opportunity to join a fraternity, but that's
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just my, that's just my take on it, you know, splitting hairs.
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So Eddie is there, Alex wants to impress him and Joe too.
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So they start talking about Nazis.
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Of course.
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At some point, Alex talks about, he has this really long thing that he goes on about how
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he used to have like a bunch of boxes in his garage and he didn't even know what was in
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him.
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And then one of his family members was going through it and they found like a Nazi medal
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he bought at a garage sale or something like that.
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And they're like, oh my God, you're a Nazi.
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And then now everybody thinks I'm a Nazi.
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I'm like, that's a family issue.
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If your family member found a Nazi medal and you're not able to have that conversation
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in a decent way, that's on you.
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That's on you and your family.
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I don't think that you having a Nazi medal makes you a Nazi.
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I understand people who have like historical interest in that sort of thing.
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Sure.
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I'm Sandra Bullock.
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You know, I understand the possibility of that.
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It'd be like if someone is super into World War II, the idea of having these things are
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they're antiques, they're relics, it's not.
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Owning those things as long as you own American things also, or you know, the Allied powers,
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I guess, as long as you have a spectrum of these antiques and not just Nazi stuff, then
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I think that that's very normal.
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I think what he's describing is more like how he has no idea what humor is.
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True.
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Like there's no way that, cause if you did find that Nazi medal, you wouldn't think that
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he was a Nazi.
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His family member might.
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Well yeah, his family members might, probably because he's a Nazi.
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Other things.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It would still be like a running joke.
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That would definitely be something that you start throwing in there where you're like,
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oh yeah, ha ha ha, you're a Nazi cause of that medal.
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Remember that?
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You know?
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Like that's just.
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Yep, that's a possibility too.
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Like you would totally do that.
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Yep, he might be interpreting how people, misinterpreting how.
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Cause he doesn't have a sense of humor.
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Right.
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So they have that whole conversation and it's whatever.
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But now with Eddie and the proceedings, he decides he's going to tell some deep dirt
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on the Nazis.
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By the way, I said I gave you the secrets of Hitler.
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Oh.
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The secrets?
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Yep.
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What are they?
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But this is not the BS.
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This is the real thing.
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Okay.
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How do you know though?
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Who's telling you this stuff?
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Beyond classified, Eddie.
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Beyond classified, Eddie.
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No, I mean.
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Alex, seriously, do you ever think, cause you have a lot of, you have a lot of sources.
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My grandfather was German in Dallas.
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So what?
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And he worked for a, the inventor of indoor air conditioning, who was a billionaire in
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a.
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What about outdoor air conditioning?
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What's the rich area of Dallas where the Republicans all live.
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God, what's the name of that place?
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Arlington.
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No, it's not Arlington.
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It's, it's the thing right there in the middle of Dallas.
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On it?
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No.
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That's Austin.
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You think Dallas is like all buildings.
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There's a huge park and like all these big mansions.
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Dallas is all buildings.
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Anyways, he lived up there and it wasn't just from him.
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You know, I, I'm not going to get into it.
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The point is, is that Hitler was on the cover of Time Magazine and he was.
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Who cares?
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The Time Magazine stuff, like they've been very clear about their man of the year doesn't
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reflect that we support them.
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It's not good.
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It's like, this is the guy who's dominated this fucking year, unfortunately.
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Right.
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So the idea that Hitler was on the cover of Time does not mean that they were like, he's
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so awesome.
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There is a conversation to be had about how like the Bunds and stuff like that.
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There were tons of American Nazis and a lot of business interests were in favor of some
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of him.
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Oh yeah.
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So there's that.
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No, you can, you can definitely go back and read a lot of pro killing all the Jews shit.
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But him coming up with Time Magazine is a really shitty version of this.
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That's what he comes up with because he doesn't want to talk about his grandfather.
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He wants to introduce the idea that his grandfather gave him secret information because he was
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a German living in Dallas, great.
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He also killed Kennedy too.
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But then he's like, I can't, you know, I can't, I don't remember what my story is with this.
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Nope.
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I don't want to get into it.
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Eddie, Eddie.
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I don't want to get into it.
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Yeah.
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Eddie, you fucked me on this one.
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I was going to tell some straight up amazing stories about a German grandfather, but Alex
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regroups and he gets back to his grandfather and I don't know if this is what he intended
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to say, but this is where the story goes and it's fucked up.
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My grandfather said it was really confusing for him because he worked for this guy that
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was in refrigeration and air conditioning when he was in high school and his dad owned
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the car dealerships in Dallas and stuff.
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They lived there.
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There were cherry Dallas and what did they tell you?
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Well through one reason he wanted in the, but by the time World War II started to drop
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out of UT and you know, all that and go join the army air Corps.
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So you tell me all this, I'm going to go, your grandfather is a little eccentric now.
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Like my grandfather did.
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Werner von Braun.
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He came to Austin.
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What?
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What?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So anyways, your grandfather von Braun.
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Well, we went to some of those events and yeah, he came to, you know, what the UT events
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a little private.
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But the point is I'm getting to, well, cause they were like German.
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No wonder you believe in the moon landing.
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I get it now and he's still fucking with him is fucking bringing fire.
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If there's a hero, any Bravo once again, I just consistently, even the way he said, Werner
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Braun, he's like, you know, Werner Braun, Braun, like that's good timing on Eddie's
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part.
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Like that's actually being funny that like, no, I get why you believe in space.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Jesus.
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So Alex's grandfather apparently knew Eddie is the hero.
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He knew Werner von Braun.
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That's great.
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I guess.
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I don't know if that's true or not, of course, but if we allow it to be the truth, it makes
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this next clip deeply fucked up.
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This is a clip that like, I don't care how many Nazi medals you have.
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I'll let that slide.
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You say something like this, I got questions.
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Finish your story.
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This was what they called high German.
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And so the high, yeah, that's what that is.
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Uber mentioned.
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So they only would talk to people that were in the club.
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Oh shit.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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So, so anyways, uh, my grandfather and the family was like an Uber mention and so you
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know, high IQ, the whole nine yards.
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Um, so dude, if you want to be clear about this, Alex is up here on Rogan's show, straight
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up saying that his family was recognized as part of the master race by a former Nazi.
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I don't think I need to take any more time out of anyone's day to explain why that's
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fucked up because Uber man, she's like, that's a, that's a Nietzsche, uh, you know, invention.
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Yeah.
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But he was super against the Nazis and against antisemitism after he had passed, I believe
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it was after he passed, I'm not entirely sure about the timeline, but his sister was involved
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in co-opting the term because she was Nazi sympathizing.
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And so the idea of Uber mention was like, that's a, that's a pretty strictly Nazi idea
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that refers to the Aryan master race, which you, uh, are reinforcing your belief in whilst
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telling this story and that your, uh, your family is a part of exactly as recognized
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by high ranking Nazi Werner von Braun.
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Yeah.
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They were called high Germans, which is like, Oh, do you mean they were Nazis?
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Cause it sounds like you mean Nazi and it does really sound like your grandfather was
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a Nazi.
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It sounds like his grandfather was a fucking Nazi.
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Your grandfather was a Nazi, Alex, Alex, Alex, Alex.
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Grandfather was Nazi.
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Were those metals that you had in those box, your grandfather's war medallions sure seems
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like it.
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I don't fucking know.
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But you don't, you, if you are somebody who's like, I fucking hate Nazis, they're terrible.
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All that stuff.
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You don't then get drunk on a fucking Rogan episode and be like, my grandfather knew Werner
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von Braun.
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My family is Uber mentioned.
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They're high Germans.
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And so we're in the club.
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You don't want to fuck.
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They only talk to other people in the club.
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The master who else was in that fucking club, not that's so damn it.
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It's so damn it.
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When I heard him say we, our family is Uber mentioned.
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I was like, Oh God, Hey, you know, who doesn't say that the families of Nazis now or families
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of not Nazis.
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Those two, those two are the main people who don't say that it's a Venn diagram with a
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very small sliver.
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No, it's a Venn diagram is the wrong way to look at it.
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It's a pie chart with the tiniest sliver that is just Alex Jones that says my family, Oh
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no, I guess neo-Nazis online who hide behind anonymity and stuff like that.
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Yeah, they're probably, their families were also Uber mentioned.
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Or at least they'll say they were.
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It's fun.
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It's fun to be part of the master race, Dan, because you really don't have to deal with
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reality.
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Yes.
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So he had high IQs.
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Sure.
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In this next clip, we get another glimpse.
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So earlier Alex was talking about when he was seven or so, and he heard his dad talking
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about making tooth cyborgs.
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And that's cool.
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Which we now know is Nazi tooth cyborgs.
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Apparently.
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So we hear about his grandfather, but to be fair, we don't know if it's maternal or paternal
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grandfather.
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We're not entirely sure on that.
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He doesn't specify.
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Okay.
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He doesn't say the last name, so I'm not sure.
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Like I would assume his mom's father's last name would be Hammond because her name is
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Carol Hammond.
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His dad's father's last name would be Bowie.
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No, no, Jones, which is David Bowie's real name.
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Oh, okay.
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I'm glad that my dad didn't die when David Bowie died.
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Weird.
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So he overhears his grandfather talking about some stuff when he was a child, and now he
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relates it to Eddie and Joe.
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And my grandmother would go, they'd sit me down there like a week during the summer,
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and I was like, eight years old, I'm hearing this.
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And he's like, Von Braun has a plan for this orbital spacecraft.
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We're going to land it, and we're going to have artificial gravity systems.
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And I'm hearing all of a sudden, he's got like markers at the table, like talking about
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it.
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And I'm sitting there listening to this.
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There will be no Jews up in space.
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And he was talking about, yeah.
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Then I was a lease hound for, you know, Texaco.
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And the only place you got to sit in front of a stakeout in New Mexico or West Texas
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was a military base and all these goddamn Nazis.
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And, you know, one time I didn't want to do it, but that guy smarted off about how they
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had bore better at shooting our planes down.
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So I went ahead and just rammed his head right through the wall, and I never knew what happened
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after that.
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But son, you just got to kill Nazis.
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And those son of a bitches, our government brought in thousands of those assholes.
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And I'm like, listen to this.
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I'm like, I'm going to read about Nazis.
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So I tell them about 10, I start buying books, I was like 12, I want my cop, they go, are
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you a Nazi?
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Like reading Hitler is my struggle.
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No, I'm not a Nazi.
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Both my grandfathers told me how bad Nazis were, and both almost died fighting Nazis.
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So I wanted to know about Nazis.
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It was this whole ethos.
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So I mean, you can just see how tangentially he's jumping around from topic to topic, even
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if it's all kind of Nazi related, that story makes no sense.
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There isn't a real point to it.
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He doesn't really have any.
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The only...
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I think the point to the story is that he just revealed that his grandfather was a Nazi.
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And so now he has to rewrite that to make it sound like his grandfather wasn't a Nazi.
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Well, he also talks about this HVAC guy that his grandfather worked for.
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And apparently he was being extorted by the Nazis, something like that.
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He tells a really long story that's very convoluted about the grandfather hated the Nazis because
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this guy that he worked for had to send tons of money to the Nazis because they were holding
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his family hostage or something along those lines.
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I'm not entirely sure.
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I didn't include that, although that is kind of informing what conversation Alex is trying
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to have.
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But because it doesn't make a lot of sense.
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And if his point was that the Nazis extorted people, I don't know if that's the secret
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of Hitler.
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I don't know if...
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It's the secret of 2017.
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That's for sure.
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But that's how he presents the beginning of this conversation.
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I've got the deep, better than classified information about Hitler.
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It turns out that he blackmailed an HVAC guy.
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HVAC.
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HVAC.
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Yeah.
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Not a bad strategy.
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No, I'm sure...
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I'm sure that the Nazis did extort a lot of people.
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That certainly is well within their repertoire.
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Yeah, but you got to get a little bit of that HVAC money, especially during a time period
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where indoor air conditioning was just booming, man.
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That was the beginning.
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Again, what about outdoor air conditioning?
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That's wind.
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You don't need to say indoor air conditioning.
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You can just say air conditioning.
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That's a useless qualifier.
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You could call it central air?
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Sure.
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That's a different...
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What about decentral air?
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What about the window unit?
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There's a distinction there, but indoor outdoor air conditioning is not a worthwhile distinction.
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This guy is crazy.
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So earlier we heard Alex say that NASA was the real government, and you balked at that.
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They were the shadow government.
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Shadow equals real.
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Ah, okay.
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Just like Shadow the Hedgehog is the real Sonic.
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We all know that.
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I really don't think we do.
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In his next clip, I think that Knuckles is the real...
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Anyway, in his next clip, Alex doubles down on that and then explains how that came to
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be because Rogan is kind of confused about the premise.
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So when I say, what is NASA?
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If we can take NASA back over, it's bigger than the CIA.
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It's the real government.
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The spaceships and the stuff, that's all PR.
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NASA is the real government?
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NASA, there were two breakaway governments, two shadow governments.
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I talked about shadow government 20 years ago.
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So we have three total governments.
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And so you had one that was British run, and the Germans came to our own US elites and
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said, hey, you always need a couple plants.
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They said, we've got all this on the drawing board, the EU, a plan to poison the food and
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water, to get rid of the dumb people, a plan for off-world bases.
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By the way, we're taking hardcore drugs and we're in contact with aliens.
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How was the plan?
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No, it was the Germans first got in touch.
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Well, how'd they do it?
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They were really into the occult.
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Drugs.
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Drugs.
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Okay.
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Thanks, Eddie.
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Thanks, Eddie, for charming in there, buddy.
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So the reason I stopped you for a second, like saying there's three governments, is that
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because we now bring in foreign governments, so there's like England's government, too,
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and then you've got Germany's government and modern day.
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We now have the EU as well.
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So we have at least two, well, the EU is a plan put together by the Nazis.
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By the German Breakaway Secret Program, that there may not be NASA.
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Right, but the Germans contacted aliens first, which means they were the ones who came up
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with the, and he just described the...
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They came up with everything evil.
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He just described the globalist plan that he attributed to the billionaire conference
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earlier.
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Right, but those billionaires only had that conference and talked about it because they
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were aware and were getting information from these Germans or maybe not Germans who were
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in contact with aliens.
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Right.
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So it all works.
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It doesn't take more than one conference.
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I would assume so.
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To come up with that plan.
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But I'm just saying that it does make sense.
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I guess.
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So the Germans are in touch with aliens and they're getting this information from them.
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So the problem that I have is that like what we have here is Alex is presenting a dichotomy
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of two breakaway governments.
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One is the British and one is the German, and they're at war with each other to some
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extent.
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And there's NASA.
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No, but that's the German secret space program or whatever.
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He's presenting...
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Oh, when we brought Wernher von Braun over.
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That's NASA.
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What is NASA but American for Nazis?
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But he's also presenting the British breakaway government as being involved in our government
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as well.
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Right.
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It seems like if the two were at war, it'd be incongruous for us to have both of them
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existing within the same body, but he doesn't really sweat the small stuff.
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Here is the other thing that I think everybody is missing.
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And I would say even Alex.
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King George, immortal, and has been behind the scenes of the British government this
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entire time.
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I would say...
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Everything else is a fucking plot, Dan.
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I would say here's...
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It's distraction.
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It's sleight of hand.
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King George, still alive.
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Your theory is interesting, but I would say...
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Is it?
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Is it interesting?
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Nah.
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I would say that the thing that Alex is missing, everyone is missing, and your theory is missing
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is citations.
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I would say what it's missing is any underlying proof other than, I heard a weirdo say this.
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You haven't seen enough YouTube videos, Dan.
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That's not good.
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Citation, YouTube.
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That is not good.
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I read it in Microsoft and Carta.
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So another problem is that he's saying that there's these two breakaway governments.
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One is the British, one is the Germans.
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The Germans influenced our NASA through the Operation Paperclip and all the Nazis coming
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over and what have you.
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But then we have this that also makes it difficult for me to integrate all of these ideas into
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my mind.
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We merged with the British Empire in like 1930, covert...
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Okay.
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That's what the CFR is, is British Intelligence and U.S. Intelligence.
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So the U.S. runs the show, okay?
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So you've got...
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But German intelligence came to Eisenhower and said, listen, you don't need to do all
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this.
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We haven't given them the real technology.
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What?
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No.
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We're in contact with aliens.
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And they've done the whole plan.
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Now, where are you getting this from that you're stating it so confidently?
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It's in the literature, man.
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Hitler like would go...
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What literature?
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Mainline historical books about SS castles where they go, the aliens want blood.
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So they kill like 20 kids and everything.
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The aliens would like...
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Why?
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Aliens are eating blood?
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It brings them in like sharks.
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And then they give them technology.
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What does?
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They go, this is how it works.
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You build the atomic weapons this way.
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You build...
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They would like show them bombers.
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The aliens are like telepathic.
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I don't even believe this.
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This is what the Nazis believe.
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I thought you had to do the drugs.
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And the aliens would mind meld and give them the technology.
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They're bad aliens.
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So the aliens...
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Are you surprised the Nazis were influenced by demons?
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Yes.
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No.
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If demons are real, I would definitely think they'd be on the side of the Nazis.
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Yeah.
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They're not.
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But Joe, what I'm telling you is...
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You think aliens are demons?
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There'll be no...
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No media is going to attack this.
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Probably.
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I'm giving you...
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I want to know where I can read it.
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Where can I read that?
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Those statements.
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That they were in contact with the aliens.
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Well, obviously, your podcast...
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Look up Nazi Vril Society, V-R-I-L Society.
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If you and me put up a group of chicks, I'd say aliens.
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Right up there with them, like doing rituals.
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And I don't come up for three hours evacue flying here with a report.
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I'll send it all to you with mainline books.
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I'll mail the books with the tabs in them.
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Okay.
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And I'll mail documents.
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Okay.
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Alex is saying, basically, I'll prove this to you, but I need a rebooking in order to
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do it.
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I mean, he's dangling a carrot out in front of Joe.
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Yep.
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And I'll do a follow-up one where I prove all of my conjecture about...
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And granted, I have no citations on me right now, but I will send you those books.
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We're going to do this again, and I'll send you the books ahead of time, and it's going
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to be great.
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Those books are not going to say the things Alex says.
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This is never going to happen, although he'll probably get a rebooking.
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Yeah.
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Not probably.
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That piece will probably, actually.
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Why would you mail books?
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With little marks in them.
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Little tabs.
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Little tabs.
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Sure.
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Yep.
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If you have those books, and you've got the little tabs, you should know what books they
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are.
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You would think.
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Especially when they are pieces of what you think is the big truth of the world, and that
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is that Nazis got all their technology from aliens, and the aliens wanted blood, and all
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that stuff.
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Where are you getting this from?
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If you can only say the literature, you don't know what you're talking about.
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You don't want to give that citation, because you know that if you do, someone will look
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at it and be like, oh, this is a book written by a crazy dude.
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This is a nonsense book.
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This is a Project Camelot book.
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I'm a big fan of the idea that Germans came to Eisenhower, and were like, guess what?
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All our technology is from aliens.
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That is a good meeting.
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Well that's a part of the-
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That's a good meeting.
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That's a good day.
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Eisenhower, very boring man, bit of a teetotaler, has a meeting with some Germans, finds out
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aliens are real.
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Of course.
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And he's got to take a drink.
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And he's got to take a drink.
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Oh, there's no doubt.
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He's off the wagon.
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No, he's doing the opposite of the guy with the brown bag, who's seeing all the pink elephants.
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He's like, dude, brown bag me up.
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, that is a part of the Project Camelot alien narrative in some, I don't know
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how pervasive it is, but it's fairly common.
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The idea that Eisenhower signed a treaty with aliens in order to allow them to kidnap people
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for scientific purposes in exchange for technology.
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Right.
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But that's a Futurama episode.
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But it's also based on people actually believing that in these communities.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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For sure.
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So what Alex is operating off of is sort of a artful retelling of that, where he's incorporating
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the Nazis coming in and being a part of that deal.
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And maybe that's a part of people's paranormal arguments as well.
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I don't know.
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They're well versed in the nuance of it.
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I believe it's also Hellboy's origin story.
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Sure.
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That fish guy.
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Yeah.
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That fish guy.
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I don't know.
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I read Hellboy years ago.
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I thought it was fine.
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It was fine.
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Yeah.
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So Alex gets into a bit of a jag here, trying to say that Hitler was set up, which we know
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he believes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The idea that all this misrepresentation of Carol Quigley's work, those sorts of arguments
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about the globalists, as it were, or the insiders, whichever terminology the writer chooses,
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they controlled all sides of the conflict and manipulated Hitler into doing what he
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did in order to blabbity blue.
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Just like they manipulated Alex into saying that Sandy Hook was fake.
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We're going to get to that.
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Oh, boy.
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But in this next clip, Alex is talking about his belief in all that Hitler setup stuff.
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So his biggest piece of evidence, or his biggest argument, is that bullshit story that we've
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talked about a bunch of times with Rudolf Hess, about him flying in with a signed peace
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treaty, parachuting into England, also, by the way, bad news, it was Scotland, but all
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this nonsense about his flight.
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Alex talks about this, and then as I was listening to it, I realized some major problem we've
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never pointed out with Alex's theory, and I'll tell you it on the other side of this
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clip.
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Rudolf Hess was the deputy Fuhrer.
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The guy Hitler totally loved, but you never hear about him since 1941, because they had
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a peace treaty with Edward VIII, who was the king of England, who was a Nazi, and who was
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German.
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British families, German.
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And they had a deal to stage the attack.
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The French stood down.
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Vichy French didn't fight.
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They put Nazi occupiers in.
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So here's the thing.
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We've talked a lot about the problems with Alex's fake story about Rudolf Hess having
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a peace treaty that would have ended World War II, but he was set up, all that shit.
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Yeah, first off, his name was Rudy Hess, and it's kind of rude to call him Rudolf.
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It's kind of rude to call him that.
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I don't care to rehash that here, but I do want to point out this glaring hole.
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Alex says that Rudolf Hess had a treaty for peace that represented a deal between the
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Germans and Edward VIII.
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The problem with this is that Hess's flight for Scotland happened on May 10, 1941.
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Now why is that a problem?
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Well, because Edward VIII abdicated the throne on December 11, 1936.
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World War II didn't even start until 1939, three years after he had stepped down as king.
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So he never would have actually been in a position to negotiate a peace.
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This narrative is complete trash and only works if you have no idea about the basic
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facts about when things happened, something that Alex seems to have no grasp on.
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You know, you know in your heart you cannot step down as king.
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Once a king, always a king, Dan.
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Uh, no.
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Yeah.
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No.
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Because he wanted to marry a divorcee.
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It's like Narnia.
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It's like Narnia.
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He wanted to marry a divorcee, and that was not done.
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That was absolute, that was a scandal, the church.
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So he abdicated the throne for that.
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Couple years later, World War II broke out.
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He was in no position to be in charge of the country because he wasn't the king.
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He wasn't even in England for most of that time.
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Right.
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He was abroad because he was kind of a scandalous figure in England.
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Yeah, and that whole narrative of like, he was actually German and all that stuff.
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The royal families of most of Europe have been fucking each other for forever.
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We talked about that.
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Yeah, in World War I, half the country's fighting were related to each other.
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Their royalty was related to each other.
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And if you go back to because royalty has such like a lineage basis, you go back to
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a time when countries' borders weren't what they are today.
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So you have like old kingdoms and stuff like that that existed that don't exist anymore.
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And so you have intermarriages of the kingdom of a part of Germany, modern Germany, that
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wasn't Germany then.
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It was the Holy Roman Empire and all that shit.
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Yeah.
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You have all that stuff that makes it incredibly complicated, but easy to misrepresent.
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It's fertile ground for lying about stuff, but the reality doesn't match up.
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I just think it's fucking hilarious that Alex believes in 1941, Rudolf Hess would have had
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a peace treaty signed by Edward VIII that would mean anything.
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That would actually mean anything.
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Because if it were a peace treaty that was signed between them, it would have to be a
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peace treaty that existed before World War II even started.
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It would have to be a five-year-old peace treaty that two years predated the outbreak
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of World War II, which makes no sense.
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Furthermore, the king was not in control of the country.
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Right.
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Even if he was still the king, he did have the power.
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Alex does talk some shit on Chamberlain.
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He does talk some shit on Chamberlain.
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Hey, that's fine.
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But who cares?
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Because this next clip is far more important.
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Get that motherfucking vodka loose.
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No, no, no.
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I don't.
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It's fake vodka.
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Look at what you do.
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It's fake.
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I need to hear about aliens.
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I'm going to take a pull off that cigar, but I'm going to smoke marijuana.
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I'm going to take a pull off that cigar, but I don't smoke marijuana.
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Yeah, that cigar.
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That cigar.
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That cigar.
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That's a blunt.
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Nobody has ever turned a swisher sweet into you.
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My friend, that is a blunt.
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But also, I love the fake vodka.
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Just fucking own it.
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Just fucking own it.
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Yeah, dude.
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I mean, if you're on his show and you're doing the whole shittily swearing at things because
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you're really bad at it, you might as well say you're getting drunk too.
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Yeah, why not?
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Nobody's going to give a fuck.
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No.
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The nonsense doesn't serve any real purpose.
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I just think it's, I don't know.
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And you're in LA probably without your family because you're going to fly back the next
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day or whatever.
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I would say just, what I look at it is just like, it's probably just bad humor.
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It's like, this is fake vodka.
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We all know that it's real.
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It's not even really pretending that it's fake vodka.
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No one would believe that.
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It's not saving face or anything.
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Fake vodka is just water.
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It's just a dumb bit.
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That's all it is.
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The criticism is, this is a stupid fucking bit, grow up.
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So at this point, Joe wants to know, because Alex has presented this, when did the connection
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between aliens and Nazis start?
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Now you might think-
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Tuesday.
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You might think-
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It was Tuesday.
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You might think that that's a question that Alex can answer, but you'd be wrong.
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He just decides to start rambling about other things.
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Tell me how the connection between aliens and the Nazis took place.
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When did all the start-
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Let me begin.
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At the beginning.
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I'm telling you, Joe, this is a real deal.
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I believe you.
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In the beginning there was the word.
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It's people who are psychically, genetically available to interface-
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Native Americans?
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In this incredibly diverse universe with all these dimensions above and below and all around
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us with consciousnesses.
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And the truth is no energy is ever destroyed.
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It all continues on.
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The truth is our bodies, this is a fact, are a communal hive organism of all of our ancestors
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and all of their race memories, but not in just some compressed epigenetic system.
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It's beyond that.
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It's an electrochemical antenna, they've proven this, that connects to higher and lower dimensions.
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So our body suit, because our predecessors would put us in a position without giving
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us a body suit that is them.
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Our families are loving us.
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They're holding us.
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They're wrapped all around us.
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They're strength through will.
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I don't like that.
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They're bad.
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They're good.
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They're sins.
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The battles they lost.
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The woman they loved.
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The man they loved.
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It's all in us.
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All these people.
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It's why we're able to look into so many things and have so many different experiences.
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Why does that give us more experiences?
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The idea that ghosts live within us.
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And they're holding you all the time.
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Right.
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They're loving us.
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I don't like ghosts.
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I don't either.
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I also don't like most of my family.
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Not to say that I don't like my family or anything like that.
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Yeah, that's what I was saying.
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I don't fucking know most of my family.
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I wasn't saying I don't like my family.
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Do you go past my grandparents, who I have some serious questions about?
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You go past them.
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I don't know any of those people.
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I've never met them.
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I would like them to leave me the fuck alone.
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I don't care for this idea of us being a hive organism of the sins and victories of our
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past.
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I find that, okay, Alex, if that's the case, then free will is completely non-existent.
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Yeah.
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No.
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You aren't...
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He's like, I love individualism, rugged individualism.
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Why was individualism even possible if you were a hive organism of everyone in the past?
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Right.
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Also, hey, I have a brother, right?
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So me and my brother come from the exact same genetic line, right?
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So you're saying that...
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Do our ancestors split?
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Are they...
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No, no.
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Or did they take a side?
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Simultaneous.
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Did they choose, okay, I want to go in Dan.
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I want to go in David.
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Is it like a divorce situation where they have to choose their favorite kid?
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Or is it like a schoolyard stickball game where you're picking teams?
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Like, you know, David goes first, obviously.
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He's the oldest.
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Well...
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So like, you know, whoever...
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That's rude.
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It is.
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But you know what I'm saying?
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I do.
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It's nonsense.
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Or do all of your ancestors split depending on how many children they are?
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And then after like five generations, they've got to be split 100 different places.
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This makes no sense.
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It's ludicrous nonsense that Alex has romanticized and pretended that he's proved in some way.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But we also know...
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You're referring to rhizome theory as the idea of proof behind it or whatever it is.
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But he says it's not the epigenetic stuff.
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Right.
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So he's saying it's something beyond that, which means it's crazy.
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But here's the bigger point, is like we know this from listening to Alex, that a lot of
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this stuff goes back to like religious ideas for him.
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So what he's expressing seems like some sort of a trippy, far out kind of idea, but what
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it really is is a piece of his religious zealotry.
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And so Joe is allowing him to express these sorts of things that really are fundamental
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pieces of what makes him a religious radical in many ways, a Christian fundamentalist weirdo.
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And it's just unquestioned because he doesn't understand what Alex is even saying.
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I agree.
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Yeah.
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He just thinks they're high and they're talking about space.
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He doesn't realize that Alex is like, and that's why God is controlling the world, but
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also there's globalists and shadow governments, but it's all under God.
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He does kind of get to that in a little bit, but in this next clip, we get another glimpse
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of what Alex's dad has told him about the past.
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And again, it's dubious.
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My dad didn't tell me this until he saw Endgame and he said, no, son, we had virtual reality
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goggles and we had CD-ROM and we had things and then something else happened and I'm not
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at liberty to get into it, but I was shown three years ago what the University of Washington
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was doing under Bill Gates.
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And this is in the nineties.
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What were they doing?
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They don't even know what they're being given.
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It's intravenous.
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So you think it's some sort of alien intervention type shit?
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Dude, to get even deeper, they turn your heart off for five minutes and they pump oxygen
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into your blood.
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And you're in the meetings.
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I've talked to people that are involved, I mean, top scientists, and you're in the meetings
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with freaking aliens, elves is the main group.
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But they're shutting your heart off.
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It makes you have that psychedelic experience by keeping blood in your oxygen.
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It keeps you alive.
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Well, let's explain.
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Okay.
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Yes, please.
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The heart goes out.
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The body thinks it's dead.
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Right.
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So you can stay in longer.
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I don't know all the science behind it.
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Yeah, of course not.
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No shit.
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No shit.
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It's an understatement of the century, I don't know all the science behind it.
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You also don't know that Bill Gates didn't run Washington University.
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He did?
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No.
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I saw it?
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He donated a bunch of money there because his dad was an alum from there and he grew
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up in Washington and all that stuff.
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Yes, there is an association of Bill Gates and the University of Washington.
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Why did he donate all that money?
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Because he was killing people for five minutes.
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Aliens.
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That's like a fucking teaser for next week on House.
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There legitimately was an episode of House where like, next week on House, in order to
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save his patient.
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They have to kill him.
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House will have to kill her.
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Whoa.
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Yeah.
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Jesus.
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Yeah.
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There's that sort of stuff.
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Now granted, I did look into this a little bit and I'm no doctor, I'm not a scientist,
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but it does seem like if you did stop someone's heart and you were able to keep blood flow
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to their brain, then you could keep them dead for like five minutes.
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Yeah.
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In theory possible because the difficulty is when your heart stops, it stops pumping
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blood and therefore there is an oxygen that ends up going to your brain.
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Right.
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And if your brain doesn't have oxygen for a certain amount of time, it becomes damaged
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to the point where you just can't come back.
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Yeah.
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So I believe that there is a theoretical possibility that what he's talking about wouldn't necessarily
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kill all these people, but it seems incredibly stupid.
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It doesn't seem like a way that you'd have them go into meetings with aliens.
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I don't know.
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I think that there's a lot more he needs to prove, even if that is medically hypothetically
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possible.
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Right.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Also, even then, but that sounds more like you're describing those, I died for two minutes
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on the table and I saw heaven visions where it's like, no, your brain just ran out of
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oxygen and you hallucinated before you died.
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You didn't actually leave your body or anything like that.
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And Joe pushes back on that sort of idea quite a bit and pretty well.
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I didn't include any of those clips, but it does deserve like a shout out or whatever.
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And that is that when he talks about his own DMT experiences and like psychedelic experiences,
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he's like, yes, I absolutely communicated with something.
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But that's not to say that it wasn't within my head.
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Yeah.
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There's no reason to assume.
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And he even says, I'll never be able to know either way.
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Right.
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So what's the point?
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That's a good idea.
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Whatever you're talking to could be a manifestation of your own subconscious or any of those sorts
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of things.
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So like, yeah, yeah.
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That has the, like, your best bet is the Schrodinger's cat kind of jumping into the multiverse where
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it's like you have a, you keep shooting, you have one bullet and you keep shooting and
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you keep shooting.
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And at a certain point you're actually realizing that you've jumped into the multiverse and
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the only person that you could ever prove that to is yourself somewhat.
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But I also, I would look at it like this.
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We can prove that the subconscious mind does exist.
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We haven't proven that extra dimensional beings do exist.
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So when I'm presented with two possibilities, these entities that I'm talking to when I'm
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hallucinating are either a part of my own subconscious or they're demons from another
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dimension trying to talk to me.
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Considering one of those things I'm confident is real.
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The other, I don't know.
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I think it's probably rational to err on the side of, I don't know, but if I had to choose
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an explanation, I would go with, it's in your head.
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No wonder you believe in space.
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Because my grandpa knew Werner von Braun.
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He didn't.
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So in this next clip, Alex talks about the fruits of the Bill Gates killing people for
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five minutes and going to meetings with aliens.
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It turns out they give you technology when you're in there.
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Oh, that's nice.
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Now here's a big problem for Alex.
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Joe asks for examples.
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Not good.
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Not good.
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And it's like the things that aliens tell them, they come out and they tell scientists
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and it works.
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So...
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Like what kind of shit?
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They didn't tell...
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You get killed for this stuff, Joe.
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This is not...
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What do you think they want me on?
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Come on, man.
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Boo.
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Pass.
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How would you...
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You could have grabbed fucking anything.
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Microwave.
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Yeah.
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Why not just go with microwave?
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Say anything.
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Fucking car.
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Anything.
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Who gives a shit?
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Anything.
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Yeah.
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You're saying something absolutely crazy.
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You might as well attribute some technology to it.
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And the premise that they kill people for saying specific technologies that the aliens
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gave you, but not talking about the idea that aliens gave them, the technology, is an absurd
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lion for any kind of shadowy world government to draw.
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Absurd.
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Fucking stupid.
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So now we get another childhood memory of Alex's where he overheard something that I
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don't believe is true, but turns out there was a lady who used to come over to his house
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when he was a kid.
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Is this all about fucking?
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No, this doesn't have to do with fucking.
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Oh, okay.
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This one's just overhearing another...
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His stories are gross.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, they're real gross.
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This one isn't gross, it's just stupid.
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Here's what I'm telling you about when I was a kid.
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Eight, nine, whatever it was, this lady would come over that had known my parents in CUT
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and was involved.
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And she'd talk about, yeah, we call it the Psychedelic Research Institute or whatever
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the name was, but it's really a CIA deal.
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And we just can't find people that can handle it.
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They're going in, the elves want this.
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And the elves want us to basically reduce population and agree to these certain plans.
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And it's all of us dehumanization.
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And they call them the elves, the clockwork elves.
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And they're like, yeah.
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And listen, my parents are like seven years old, like they don't think you're listening
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talking about, well, this is what the elves want and this is what they're going to do.
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And the thing is, it's not a parent's right that special.
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You go out to San Francisco.
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It's all there is, dude.
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It's a cult, man.
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All these guys you know from San Francisco, dude, you look at the head of Google or YouTube
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or freaking Apple, he's on TV.
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Tim Cook and his eyes are this big under lights, man.
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These guys are on stuff that like nobody even knows.
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What do you think they're on?
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Stuff they've been given.
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I mean, I know people at YouTube, they won't tell me specifically, but I was like the dude
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who owns YouTube.
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Who's that guy?
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What's his name?
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The guy who owns YouTube.
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He's a girl, you sexist pig.
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No, no, no.
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It's like he and him.
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It's alphabet.
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So Eddie for the win one more time.
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Well, but Alex at the end there says like, uh, YouTube is just alphabet.
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It's just the same company.
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Yeah, it's Google.
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Alex doesn't fucking realize that, uh, Susan Wojcicki, uh, has been the CEO of YouTube
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since 2014.
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They have a CEO.
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It's a fucking company.
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Just cause they're owned.
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He doesn't care cause he doesn't, he doesn't deal with these things realistically.
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If he did, he would be yelling about Susan all the time because he got kicked off YouTube.
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He doesn't because he thinks like, nah, it's just all Jack.
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Yeah.
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There's like four companies who own all media or whatever.
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Like everybody has their own subsidiaries and all that shit.
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The companies still have their own CEOs and shit like that.
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You're just owned by Disney.
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And Eddie is like, who, uh, who's the CEO of YouTube and Alex is acting like there isn't
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one.
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Yeah.
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And that indicates to me a lack of interest or lack of knowledge about, and Hey Eddie,
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it's a woman.
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Yeah.
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I mean, Joe, you didn't have to say that guy, but I also think that Joe might've called
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that out cause he does know that he makes a lot of money off YouTube.
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I think he does.
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That's a business that he is deeply involved in.
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He probably knows exactly who the CEO of YouTube is.
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Probably.
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I mean, I would say it's pretty safe to say he's in the top 1% of YouTube channels.
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Yeah.
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I would, I would say so.
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Obviously he's had, he's probably met her before.
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It's possible.
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I would say it's unlikely he hasn't, uh, where, where would he have met her?
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The meeting.
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Oh, okay.
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Why is the CEO in meetings with Joe Rogan?
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Because he's one of their biggest, uh, uh, moneymakers.
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Yeah, but you have somebody else.
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He makes tons and tons of, uh, I would have the director of programming.
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Rogan makes the mans.
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I want to see the CEO.
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I can't imagine Rogan saying that.
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So at this point, I don't think this has been a good show.
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Not our podcast.
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I don't think this has been a good show that Rogan and Alex and Eddie are doing.
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Eddie has helped, but I don't think this is a good show.
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So it made me real bummed out when Alex said this.
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But I don't want to burn this out.
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There's important stuff to cover.
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Aliens.
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This is a good podcast.
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Fuck yeah.
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But you need to drink some whiskey.
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Tell me about your sponsor.
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Wasn't, uh, wasn't, uh, so, so we switched to the brown liquors.
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No, no.
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He's telling Rogan to drink the whiskey.
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Rogan's drinking whiskey.
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Alex is drinking Tito's.
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Ah, that's somehow, that's disappointing.
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Oh yeah.
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Cause whiskey's in the room.
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Yeah.
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I thought the reverse would be the case.
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I figured Rogan would be drinking some Tito's.
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Disappointing.
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Maybe Alex is sponsored.
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I have lost.
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That is an Austin vodka, right?
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I have lost respect for Alex.
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The first time.
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Thought he was a highwayman.
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I thought he believed in it.
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I thought he stuck to his principles, Dan.
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Nah.
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Turns out not.
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Ugh.
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Clear liquors.
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Gross.
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They're all gray aliens and it's mostly inconsequential bullshit that is so vague as to be meaningless.
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Yeah.
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But then Joe starts speculating about the gray aliens and Alex.
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The grays.
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Well.
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Not the grays.
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Mm-hmm.
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What?
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Is it our grays?
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Oh.
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What do you mean by our grays?
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I mean our Project Camelot grays.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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All right.
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It turns out Alex knows all about them.
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Okay.
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Do you think grays are like a, like a robot?
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Yeah.
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I think.
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I think that's the theory.
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Yeah.
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That it's not a real moving thing.
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No, there's no problem.
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The idea is that at a certain point in time you can interface with that robot so that
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you can see it in real time through its eyes somewhere else.
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Wait.
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So you believe in grays are real?
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No.
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No, no, no.
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This is what I'm saying.
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If one day in the future.
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Grays are biological androids.
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Hold on.
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Okay.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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I do like, I'm sorry I cut that too early.
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He's like, uh, hold on.
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I was like, hold on.
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Hold on, Alex.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Fine.
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Grays are biological androids.
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Fine.
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Great.
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Are we talking, uh.
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We're deep.
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I mean, we're into a Project Camelot situation here.
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Yeah.
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100.
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The stuff he's saying is like, oh, this is directly in line with these space liars that
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we talk about all the time.
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But he's doing it intentionally.
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It's disappointing that I prefer Carrie.
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Yeah, I do too.
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It's really disappointing.
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Joe Rogan's supposed to be a big deal and I think Carrie's way better than him at this.
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I think that at least because Joe and Eddie are laughing about stuff, that helps the pill
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go down a tiny bit.
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Yeah, that's true.
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But yeah, she at least gets more information out of her.
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Weirdly.
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Weirdly.
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But I think, weirdly, somehow she's a better interviewer.
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Well, because she has an agenda.
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Whereas Joe doesn't really.
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That's true.
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And he didn't know that Alex was going to get drunk and start yelling about how aliens
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give us all the technology.
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I think he did.
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But that's a strategic move that Alex is making.
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Because now that they're past the rapprochement of, we're friends again.
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Don't need to worry about our relationship, don't need to worry about Sandy Hook.
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Got to worry about Sandy Hook, I made my new lies or my refined lies clear at the beginning
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of this and now I'm going to make an angle for your listeners.
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Yeah.
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know me as like crazy conspiracy guy but no I've done DMT every night because of
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my thick neck and I know everything I am a psychic I know about the Germans
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and the Nazis meeting with aliens that continues to Bill Gates back when he was
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at Washington University killing people for five minutes so they could go have
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meetings with aliens that's why IBM exists and I am NOT going to talk about
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Trump at all he does talk about him later oh yeah very interesting okay what
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he says really but first before we get to that we find out that Alex he already
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said this earlier that he's not in the CIA but he has to reiterate it but
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because he reiterates it he accidentally says something that most people probably
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don't know what he's saying but we do let's just say this I'm not in the CIA
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me neither I'm not in the NSA me neither but they've been tracking me my whole
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life hmm do you think they give you disinformation sometimes for sure it was
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the former deputy director basically the CIA section chief found founder of Delta
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Force who got me to like a two weeks he goes Alex you're not saying Sandy Hook
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stage you go say Sandy Hook stage because all we have the people were
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there and just because he was famous MIT scientists and stuff I went with that so
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you think they already had AI computers probably I'm speculating looking way out
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to shut me I mean I don't know I'm sure there's people setting everybody up so
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Joe great not respond to that well because he doesn't realize that what
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Alex is suggesting is that back in 2012 they had supercomputers that could tell
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the future and know what was going to happen and so somebody from MIT the CIA
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came in and told him to say that Sandy Hook is fake because Alex is clearly
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misspeaking he said two weeks ago yeah that's I think he's trying to say two
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weeks after Sandy yeah I'm because two weeks ago he didn't say that it was
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staged or anything like that that doesn't that doesn't represent reality
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but you know who Alex says is in the CIA you know you put you know who else
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believes that Sandy Hook was fake and told Alex to say it Stevie Pachin you
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know who else has a degree in international relations from MIT
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Pachin me Steve he's talking about Steve Pachin oh yeah hundred percent 100
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probably doesn't want to bring that up though because Eddie Bravo like Steve
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Pachinik really yeah god damn it Eddie but he's a fan you're such an up-and-down
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character so there's a part of it that Alex might not want to directly attack
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Steve Pachinik right like that by last it caused ripples yeah or an argument he
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doesn't want to have with Eddie but he's pretty clearly saying and he's bolstering
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Steve CIA credentials and stuff like that obviously and probably mixing up
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multiple people but the main person he's clearly talking about is Steve yeah I
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was I was listening to that thinking too many of the details match up with how he
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characterizes Steve is this another situation where we're finding a one more
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excuse that it's not his fault it's not as well Steve's not as tough it's not as
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fuck off but again that's just a specific example of the excuses he was
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making early exactly yeah yeah that's not bad information and Eddie asks him
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in that clip is like do you think it's possible that your sources give you
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misinformation Alex is like yes and then that's one of the examples of
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misinformation Steve Pachinik if you are aware that your sources sometimes give
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you misinformation don't operate on the information people give you any of that
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information figure out clean information sources yeah and then use those instead
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of these people who are lying to you because of their own agenda I do want to
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give Rogan credit for a Titanic hmm immediately after the I've been
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followed around by the CA all of my life that hmm spoke volume and what is it
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brevity is yeah sort of thing oh yeah economy of language just a well-placed
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hmm because it is also that wouldn't work without the I'm not in the CIA me
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neither I'm not in the NSA me neither they've been following me all my life hmm
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such good such a good hmm it's clear he's been doing stand-up for decades
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yeah that's timing timing is important yeah so Alex is sort of pressed to the
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wall here by by the the party to give sort of what how do you know this stuff
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you're so confident about the idea I'm lying the aliens gave all these people
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technology and here's where we get back to Prometheus our boy general Albert
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Burt Stubblebine I have literally been trying to find out what's going on and
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as you get older you figure out more stuff I am NOT the one saying there's
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all these aliens the entire government and all these advanced groups that's why
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they've given up on space is they're all about interdimensional so I didn't
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finish up about I want to get Eddie's take then I'll get into your take okay
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is that I've got a pretty good understanding by interviewing a bunch of
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people involved about what the master plan is and exactly who we're dealing
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with because it's not just one group of aliens Raptors what's the different
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groups and when you say it you're saying like really you know about General
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Stubblebine right no I don't okay well he was a major general so as a three-star
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general he's the general is the head of all class clandestine operations for the
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US government for like 15 years she wasn't and he said on my show before he
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died like 98 or whatever but also in private discussions and this is like 6
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7 years ago and I was there in like 15 years ago I mean this is the guy that
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ran the whole show sure you know men who stare at ghosts yes that's a joke about
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that it kind of whitewashes it all so this indicates this is I hate this so
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much and he does this a bunch on the show like when he's talking about that
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Investopedia article about Soros and the pound he's like this is a whitewash
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Soros's history yeah men who stare at goats that's a whitewash on Stubblebine
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because he successfully walked through walls and teleported or whatever you can
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just say whatever information you can find you Jordan whatever information you
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can find is a whitewash of the reality that I've been able to find now I refuse
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to tell you where I found that information I won't give you any
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citations on it I'll say it's mainstream literature it's in the in the documents
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it's classified all that stuff but I won't prove to you anything I'll just
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say that anything that you think is real is a fucking whitewash and that
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mentality is exactly what Alex was talking about at the beginning of the
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show as being his past mindset where everything I got into this mild psychosis
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yeah you're in it right now I can point you to primary sources I have it it's in
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all the articles okay well the article doesn't say what you want that's why
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that's because they're hiding what you really fuck off the whitewash fuck you
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now this next clip I don't think it has much to do with anything but it's like
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we I like I fucked a rabbit that's later it's not but I like to celebrate when
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Alex gets esoteric in a way that I like like a pure kind of like a true
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esoteric when there's almost poetry to what he's saying uh-huh and this next
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clip like the the ocean with the tree the river is the tree is the tree that
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is the river yes gotcha it seems to be these moments where he's getting deeply
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poetic and there's no agenda to it necessarily just something weird some
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wacky bullshit I think this is as close as we get on the episode okay consciousness
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in the universe is an interdimensional spacecraft beyond that that looks like a
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comet from my research and it has it has its head it has its corona
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consciousness consciousness it carries evil in the tail end the consciousness
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as a location no there is this giant consciousness as God okay swimming in a
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giant system of survival of fitness that God has created to test God's self what
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okay it looks like a comet huh you got God's conscience and all the good things
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the knowledge going forward but God knows that everybody has to be tested so
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the tail goes out and at the end of the tail is basically evil that's why Christ
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says get behind me Satan and it's always trying to ask God and infiltrate up into
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it to sabotage that's not how comets work damn don't say they do pull the
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plugging this podcast is a good way to end this motherfucker they're so deep
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into it at this point like it's gone long already past the three-hour mark
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that they usually yeah Rogan's shows usually go and so there is a sense that
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like both him like they all want to end it yeah they're all running out of gas
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and then we just got the consciousness is a comet and evils of the tail that's
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the like call it guys that's the like late house party I got a lot yeah you
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gotta get out of my house that's the mercy rule at a fucking baseball game
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it's 10 to nothing let's move on that's the there's four ways to learn like kind
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of sort of thing someone's expressing that you're like not much more to do
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here no we got it we uh you are gone from my deep research I find that
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consciousness is in the shape of a comet I don't know we might be talking about
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that did that was the fish fucking oh that was the fish fucking movie mm-hmm
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that was actually an autobiography from Alex I could have been yeah could have
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been back when he was 13 fish choked him out made me wear gills for a while this
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is just crazy I mean I enjoy it on one level and I enjoy Joe's sort of the
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incredulousness about it like consciousness has a location well no
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it's God's swimming around in the survival of the fittest prism that Bob
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like sure man that's a lot of words hey yeah so we're out of beer we got three
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left yeah I'm out of beer drinking ability you have one more you know it's
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really time to go when I was 12 I fucked a serpent all right let's do this so
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Alex talks about the consciousness being the shape of a comet and the back part
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of it is evil and that's why Jesus says get behind me Satan sure that makes
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perfect and this leads into Alex talking about how he's a psychic he's already
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talked about how he has these DMT dreams and so he's every night every every
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every everything and so he talks about being a psychic and I want to say that
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this made me so delighted because he's talked on his own show about the idea
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that he saw himself getting mugged in a dream and then that dream and that yeah
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yeah and he does tell that story later but what he leads with is this and this
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made me laugh so hard so just briefly and you jump in there ready let me tell
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you what my deep research and basically vision is okay it just means you're like
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what things crystallize epiphany sure to talk about 12 dimensions 11 known 12
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being omnipresence so we don't say it actually exists what to say that is
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arrogant so I won't say that but I have had dreams my whole life that come true
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and the weirdest thing like a lady drops a thing of pickles at the store for five
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years I dream and then one day I'm there and it's the woman in the pickles break
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or or I was this particularly I was a kid it was more intense that is fucking
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crazy so you for five years you had the same dream and then one day it happened
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yes was it exactly how you dreamt ish fuck I would say my response would also
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be fuck because Alex had a dream about a woman dropping a jar of pickles for five
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years if there was some sort of like celestial intelligence that was granting
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Alex his prophetic visions for five years it wasted its time telling him
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eventually you're gonna see a woman drop a jar of pickles wait hey you could stop
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it or not it doesn't matter it's inconsequential they don't care she's not
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gonna be charged for the pickles that she dropped someone's gonna have to
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clean it up I guess it'll be a mild inconvenience for an employee so low
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stakes this psychic ability universal consciousness is it turns out very petty
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it is not it's like or try guys just not a sensical you caught it no one is
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nobody knows that this lady is gonna drop these fucking pickles where the
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universal consciousness oh I gotta tell somebody or God is a cucumber God could
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be a cucumber possible hates pickles no well no the pickles are his children no
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they're not his children they're bastardizations of his children
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it's a metaphor they dropped the pickles because God despises the pickles no no
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no no yeah God wanted Alex to say those are the fallen children of God God
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wanted Alex to save the pickles because through pickling the cucumber becomes
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its greatest form much like a caterpillar going into a larva becoming a
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butterfly now I'm gonna go into the pupa stage or whatever you you put those
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cucumbers in pickling juice becomes so much better do not realize our stands
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that cucumbers are hard as fuck number got cucumbers are racist as fuck pickles
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into two cucumbers pickles are what miscegenation is to white supremacists
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that's the that's the only thing this conversation makes as much sense as
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anything Alex is bringing to the table so that's a bad sign in this next clip
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Alex talks more about his prophetic dreams and he says something about a
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dream he had when he was a much younger man and this is this this to me was real
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fucked up this is a little bit of a longer clip but it's because I wanted to
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illustrate how Alex's brain is functioning like the way which is not
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the way he's chaining thoughts together is deeply troubling you'll see what I
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mean as soon as this gets going and they'll use this against me but notice
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they don't touch it because it's their whole religion they can't stand I'm
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talking about it I'm touching it by the time I was like three years old I would
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have this dream that God has because God knows everything is just super
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intelligent omnipresent unlimited dimensions but God doesn't know where
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God came from so just like we're trying to find out where we came from God is
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like a virtual reality simulation as well I want to jump in here really quick
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and say that I think that recently he read Scott Adams book God's debris the
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guy who created Dilbert yeah Maga guy now he wrote this hypothetical thought
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experiment called God's debris uh-huh many many years ago when he's trying to
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be like I'm not just the Dilbert guy he wrote this book it was basically the
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argument that God knows everything except what a universe without him would
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be like and he searches for this wisdom a lot of the things that Alex is
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describing in this three when he was three years old his dream he had from
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the perspective of God it's kind of similar it's not when I was three years
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old I had a dream for three straight years that Dilbert would be a hit and
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then it came true it's not one-to-one parallels with Scott Adams book but it's
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close enough that and I know that he and Scott Adams are friends right cuz he's
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Scott Adams has been on the show a bunch and so it's close enough that I think
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that maybe he's being influenced by Dilbert that's the side is constantly
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running every program every operation turning evil loose good loose everything
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show foot no have these dreams but earliest memories like two three years
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old where I would fly out to the edge of infinity and that's not a thing you can
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say it was a it was continual message find out where we came from find out
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where it is and it would just be this big giant spinning black vortex like a
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black hole and then I would have to go into that trying to figure out what was
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going on and never it was the same thing and so it's our real frustration so then
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growing up and dealing with things in questioning politics and questioning all
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these other areas that having dreams that come true exactly and like knowing
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what's gonna happen before it happens and then questioning it and then it
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never being wrong like weird upright like crazy stuff man like like just so
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much stuff where it becomes like you can't even deal with you like dial it
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out and then you just reach that point where you don't even know what's real
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anymore because it's so crazy but then you see like the mathematics of the
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whole system and you know how it works it's not your sub schizophrenic you talk
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about it you deal with it it is not like you're something now when you find the
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system you automatically know what to do like when you talk about something the
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president word for word repeats me Trump that's what freaks them out word for
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word a whole speeches like whole things and I'm on a power trip that's what they
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flipped out about it the CIA and everywhere else and they're like well
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Jones is like connected to Trump and I think Trump's like an idiot savant what
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does that have to do with this speech nice Trump speech I'm trying to follow
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you I don't even know I don't even know the thing it's hard to follow you
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sometimes especially when you're drunk as shit and high he's not high yet he
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hasn't smoked any weed yet yeah yeah but he's drank a lot of Tito's and yeah I
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mean that's just how his tangential brain works because he's he's chaining
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things and making connections where connections don't exist he's talking
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about one thing and realizing he's in over his head and not making sense so he
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connects it to something else like I say things and then the president repeats
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them and the CIA is freaked out by it it's kind of how a kid talks yeah really
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childish affect yeah that he's expressing here and like as much of a
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goof and a gullible weirdo as Eddie Bravo is he's still on the level enough
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to be like I don't understand what you're talking about what does that have
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to do with the the subject you were talking about you started by talking
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about dreams that you had from God's eyes or whatever when you were three and
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now we're talking about you and the president mirroring each other in the
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CIA being freaked out I would aren't making sense I would really hope that if
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I were ever to be gifted with the opportunity to see the edge of infinity
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I would come back with a bit more of a higher mindset then become a talk show
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host and claim that Sandy Hook is fake and aggressively never read but yeah
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you've read everything yeah yeah I would really hope that my mind would be
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expanded to the point where you would think I would be above petty human
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bullshit yeah you might almost become some sort of a star baby 2001 a space
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I've become a positive influence of people like a leave these petty
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differences behind it's not important or even then or what Alex simultaneously
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like a certain nihilistic impulse of like it doesn't mean anything but I've
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been to the literal edge of infinity but I think Alex thinks that he's the prior
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version of that right the nihilistic version I think he thinks he's the
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positive yeah he thinks that he's the guy who's telling people all this stuff
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doesn't matter when in reality all he does is aggressively over inflate petty
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things to reinforce status quos whether it be racial gender-based any anything
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like that that he's the definition of of making things regressive matter yeah as
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opposed like the presentation is I'm above the right left paradigm or
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whatever sure so he yeah it's nonsense anyway it should make this is also this
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next clip I didn't want to play this but you kind of have to if you're going over
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this episode this is the other thing that everyone's going to put into gifts
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and I understand why but I hate my grandma's foot I'll be honest with you
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I'm kind of retarded funny no no no that's gonna be a soundbite they're
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gonna put that to mariachi music no Alex is exhaling aggressively because he
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realizes like I was gonna make a point with that but I just everything is done
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mm-hmm yeah I find that disgusting even in terms of Alex whatever he's trying to
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say about himself or whatever like just fuck off you think that stuff he thinks
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he's being like self-effacing and humble and what he's really being is dismissive
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and disgusting offensive yeah what an asshole so now here is where we get to
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the tobacco like and I can say for sure if you watch it he hadn't smoked any
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tobacco before this no seriously when it comes to regular I regular tobacco with
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no marijuana at all would you like some yes okay no but I know need for Alex
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that's never wrong oh that's the show it'll fuck all your your points cuz
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there's no what points yeah his gut is always wrong he said in the beginning of
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the show he was misled he was all of this shit yep and then later on in the
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show he says his guts never wrong well and he says he's a psychic which allowed
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him to know that someone's gonna drop pickles or something like that but he's
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not psychic in a way that he could realize oh this CIA MIT scientist psyop
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guy named Steve Pachannik is going to mislead you and completely destroy
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right whatever you were doing he doesn't have any of the important instincts
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whatever he has like he thinks like my guts never wrong the evidence on the
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table is his gut is always wrong yeah but whatever he feels is like he doesn't
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take into account these other things where his instincts have led him deeply
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deeply astray repeated right and that seems to me like you're just not you're
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not saying anything he's it's like he's describing the worst x-men power you
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could have like I look I'm a mutant I have these psychic powers but they're
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all cucumber based mm-hmm that is my gift and then professor X is like cool
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cool kitchen of the school that's great we've always been afraid of what's gonna
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happen when you pickle things too much so come on down I mean I still think
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there's a use for that as a mutant ability but it would just be more like
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admin you know like the kitchen you're not useful fighting magneto right but
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you're useless unless magneto is on a pickle jag true or you can make magnetic
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pickles yeah whoo that'd be fun now we've created a new a marvel hit us up I
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just saw that trailer for Dark Phoenix could have used a magnetic pickle guy
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could have used a magnetic pickle what's what is Jean Grey gonna do against a
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magnetic pickle guy fucking nothing she's gonna be confused fucking nothing
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so at this point Alex gets high and he gets high pretty quick and Joe asks him
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about something a conversation that they had off-air and this is bullshit
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whatever he was telling Joe before they started is bullshit and the way he's
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presenting it on air is also bullshit I don't want to be like my life is not
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Sandy Hook I'm sad yeah tell me what you were telling me earlier that you were
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actually you even before all this happened you were planning your exit
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strategy like you get weary of this yeah and it's not like I'm afraid of the
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fight but I'm 45 and I've had a long adventurous life so I'm probably like 60
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that doesn't make sense sure but I do believe that he had to have been
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thinking about cashing out at some point for sure but I also don't believe that
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it was before the election fuck from what we witnessed from looking at 2015
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yeah there wasn't there wasn't a part of him that was like he was eager for the
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fray he was all in what happened is after the election he realized oh I've
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committed to something too hard and also I have nobody who can take over the
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operation and I can get a piece of yeah continuing if I retire right so he's put
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himself into a completely negative situation but it does suit his mythology
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and it's beneficial to him to make it look like he wanted to quit before all
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this started of course before all this victimization by the globalists really
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kicked into overdrive and that's what he's presenting here and I was already
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like I wasn't sure about Trump or whatever that's really bad feeling when
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he got elected nothing was bad just like all the wars about to start you were
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laughing and then I was already planning to kind of face things out just cuz I
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don't like down on 55 a heart attack and the fact they attacked me so much makes
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me have to battle and fight and never give up and and and and so it's not like
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they even wore me down before they ever they kept me in the game I'll explain it
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they kept me in the game attacking me and lying about me because now I'm well
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I've now become what I was worried about now I dream about this stuff so that's
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bullshit he always dreamed about this stuff we just liked that a white dude
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was it fuck off you got reinvigorated by a clearly white supremacist lean
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guy yeah was had a chance to win yeah and it's like oh I'm all about this but
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now the consequences the chickens have come home to roost and you don't like it
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so much because people are like hey dick we put up with this for a long time and
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now it's unsustainable now you're a problem yeah sorry we should have done
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this a long time ago should have dealt with you but you were just a goofy
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fucker who was lying about everything in a fine way now you are a systematic
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piece of upholding a system that is killing people so yeah I mean there was
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just a report recently about people like children being sexually abused in the
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detention center yep that have been set up at the border and stuff like I'd say
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he's a part of defending that he's a part of defending Bolsonaro in Brazil
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he's a part of defending now the regime change in Venezuela he's a part of
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rationalizing Trump doing this dumbass publicity stunt bullshit in North Korea
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that only helps Kim Jong-un like he's a part of defending these things that are
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really dangerous and I understand that like the foreign policy the United
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States wasn't great before or anything like that it's worse now yeah yeah yeah
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yeah I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go to bat for American foreign policy in any
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era nor am I not even since it not even not even the I'm not even gonna go to
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bat for the American fucking revolution as American foreign policy take it
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conditionally yeah I would say that the difference one of the biggest
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differences is a steady hand or at least the appearance of a steady hand I think
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that that does have a marked difference in how you're presenting things yeah and
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the absence of that is is deeply chaotic and it allows it allows a lot of bad
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actors to take advantage of that and I think that Alex is a huge part of
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mainstreaming even before the election and the lead-up to the election
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mainstreaming and normalizing a lot of those ideas that now have grown beyond
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him like they're now on Tucker every night or handy is exactly all on board
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with that absolutely in a way that they weren't necessarily before well in the
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way that they had to hide right exactly they believed all this shit but they had
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a week it's not part of public discourse yeah and oh man Alex helped make that a
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part of public discourse hell yeah he did and so I don't know I mean if you
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don't if you want to duck the consequences fine not fine no I mean I
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understand it oh yeah yeah I get it yeah you can't in the same way you can't duck
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the consequences of what you said about Sandy Hook I don't care if you're saying
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now you did you did then you had millions of listeners you knew what kind
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of influence you were having on people so it doesn't matter whatever you want
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to do now doesn't matter the damage is done so when he's when he's talking
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about all this bullshit like I wanted to quit I don't want to have a heart attack
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when I'm 55 all this stuff that's just his mythology that's rationalizing where
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he is now he's pretending all of these attacks that are coming against him I'll
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just come out of nowhere because he's using the straw man version of these
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attacks yeah in order to be like hey all these people they attacked me in the way
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that I perceive these attacks to be coming and that made me stay in the game
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and the media flagged me in order to yeah so he doesn't talk that much about
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Trump but he does say this in the next clip which is not as strong as Trump
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shoves Isis up his dirty asshole but it's not far off in some ways I wanted
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to say this I must say this is so powerful I don't dislike Donald Trump
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and I think he's done some good things I'm trying to do peace and trying to get
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jobs back to America but I hate Donald Trump because I got behind it was I know
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Hillary was bad and then he became my identity he's not a bad guy but the
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truth is I hate him more than Hillary Clinton because he's who I am now and
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whatever he does is who I am right now I'm with America and freedom and
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everything else and I'm not throwing under the bus to get George Soros on my
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back though they already asked me for the reasons I'm with them I'm not
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against even Trump but I get in a fight like this that's so dumb down are you
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talking about that then no matter what I do they take my radicalness my weirdness
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to hurt Trump but then all it does is like radioactively attack me I don't
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know how to describe it but it's like it's like Trump is breaking my legs
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every day and it's not like I'm not willing to go through the pain except a
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lot of he says I don't agree with and he's not my identity shanty hooks not my
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this is just from talking from your own personal perspective and I appreciate
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that that he's not I don't know how many people actually think you that he's your
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identity I do I do you know why because Alex did that Alex is complaining about
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the end result of his actions he's complaining about people perceiving him
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as like Donald Trump is my identity when for years all he did was get on his show
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and do everything possible to muddy the water and defend indefensible things
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that Trump was doing it's like hey you know it's great nationalism hurrah it's
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not communism whoopty-woo like all that shit the idea that he's like he made his
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fucking bed and he refuses to lie in it that is what's going on
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Sandy Hook isn't my identity Donald Trump isn't my identity then why did you
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behave the way you did that is the problem your behavior is what led to
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this if you hadn't said that everyone at Sandy Hook were actors and you hadn't
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caused that pain you hadn't done that no one would say you did that is
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absurd no one would do that I wouldn't do that I treat Alex Jones the most
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fairly that anybody ever does yeah it's it's disconcerting it for someone who
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hates him as much as I do and studies him and it takes this much time about
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him I am overly fair with him and I would never characterize him as acting
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the way like saying that he like Sandy Hook is a part of his identity if he
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hadn't have made it a part of his identity I would never say that Trump is
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his identity he just said if he hadn't branded himself that way intentional I
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was gonna say he's okay okay so for three years non-stop I talked about how
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great Trump was and how close I was to his talk to him all the time I talked
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how great he was and everything that he did is what I want to do how we had a
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die for him mind meld and now people think that I'm just the Trump guy like
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well carrot top being like I'm fucking pissed off that people think I like
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props yeah like alright what dude that's your career yeah now great fuck you
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carrot top might have told some one-liners before he discovered the
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prop act of it like took him to the to the main level like yeah headlining
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level and yeah Alex you did have a career that was based on other things
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before Trump but it certainly turbocharged your career and you ran
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with it intentionally that was your gimmick you accepted that gimmick and
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you now have to accept that you did that to deny that is pathetic either that or
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you have to admit that you did it for money right and you didn't believe a
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fucking word well now that would be an interesting thing to do because it would
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give a little bit more credence to these like I don't want this to be me I just
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accepted this because of crass consideration yeah exactly but that
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would also undermine all of his other positions right of course but it would
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be it would be it's the only way that works exactly yeah yeah it's the only
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way what he's presenting works it's like get the fuck out of here with your like
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I don't want I don't want people to think that that's my identity yeah that
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is your right that's your identity cause of you go fuck yourself exactly so he's
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high okay and now you can tell you can tell yeah yeah for sure but the fact
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that he did get high so quick does kind of give me some like yeah maybe you
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don't get high but once no he doesn't get high yeah so it's like if you're
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getting that fucked up that quick you probably know I definitely believe him
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that he doesn't smoke weed yeah and he does talk about how like we'd make some
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anxious and paranoid and stuff like that right as someone who has the same
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response to weed I totally understand like I've probably ingested marijuana
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like through edibles and stuff like yeah like three times in the last three years
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yeah or something like that I'm not against it I loved it when I was much
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younger but right it has an effect on me now that I don't enjoy yeah so I so why
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would you do exactly yeah stupid drink and what have you but like I understand
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that the idea that Alex is like I don't smoke and to be fair if I were in a
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situation comparable to Alex being in a studio with Eddie Bravo and Rogan yeah I
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probably would also smoke oh I understand of course if the stakes were
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as high as what Alex is dealing with right now I probably wouldn't smoke but
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I get doesn't seem like a good idea to fuck up your headspace while at the same
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time being sued by Sandy Hook I think he's I think he thinks he's navigated
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that territory successfully and now we're into the fun part of the right
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right now that's fair so I get that I'm not coming down on him I think it's a
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dumb idea now smoke him if you got him I'm cool with I wouldn't do it just
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because I would rather this be fun this experience right right friends and what
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have you as opposed to me getting real weird yeah like huh yeah yeah it's like
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how some people react on like getting dug with high or whatever it is where
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there's that episode yeah then this is a terrible thing that you did yeah it's
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yeah foolish um anyway in this next clip like I said he's high and he should be
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responding to that with like maintain be cool right right instead he responds
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this way when what is inside you might hear more tobacco come I do have more
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tobacco but I'm just can have a little bit more tobacco yes for sure hundred
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so can I have a little bit more of an addictive personality he's in the
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middle of the show give me more weed I want to get fucking higher because I
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think I'm killing this I think I am knocking this out of the park and I want
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more weed could I could I be a better example of my own lack of self-control
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and your complete enabling personality yeah no kidding now again I think it
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would be interesting if Joe Rogan was doing this as a setup I think that would
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be fucking fascinating and as Alex would describe it Machiavellian well yes yeah
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but because like yeah get it really fucked up he's gonna say crazy shit
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right but to be fair the craziest shit that he said was when he was early parts
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of drunk just just your couple glasses of Tito's in he's talking about Native
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Americans being easy to mind control that's a fucked up thing to see he's
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talking about like his grandfather being uber mention and stuff like that before
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any of the weed comes in so yeah all that is like you're in you're on ground
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that you're comfortable being on you drink a bit it's super weird our show in
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that what that what he said earlier we've just kind of moved on from what we
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have to and then and then you're like you brought it up again I'm like wait he
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really did say that Native Americans were susceptible to mind control
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genetically genetically yeah that's that's that's that's the end of the show
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you know like okay get out of here go go go instead Joe said huh yeah just why
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this isn't good as an exercise you know it's just not a good thing to do this
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sort of show right and I'm fucking positive if we paid as much attention to
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other episodes of Rogan's show as we do the ones that Alex is all right there'd
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be I guarantee more than enough fucked up stuff I guarantee that probably is
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pretty universal man so Alex puffs a little more tobacco a really popular
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show right super that's unfortunate well I just likes ideas so Alex puffs a
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little more tobacco a little bit of this shout out to Joe McAdam there you go
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there you go second time one of the great bits new faces Joe McAdam one of
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the best um so Alex gets into a weird headspace and he starts talking about
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racism and most of it is super unimportant he's just saying that he
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isn't a racist and it's stupid that anyone says that he is a racist and
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this is a big piece of his defense let's wrap this up no we need to wrap it up
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but I gotta make this point I don't know what it is how was I getting into that
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oh the racism thing oh you're a race it's not about and I'm say something so
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simple everybody's like yeah you told me grass is green say you're always a king
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like it doesn't matter what color someone is say you're it matters what
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they stand for what they do I go to restaurants that can be owned by Koreans
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or black people or white people whatever if the food's good like music I love
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Jimi Hendrix he's a black but if the food sucks then I hate it but it's not
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because they're white or because they're Hispanic of course I don't know I know
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you've been sitting next to a Mexican for three hours a hundred percent believe
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you totally love Mexicans I do too Mexican food do you notice that long
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pause there that was because Alex was like what are you talking about he
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doesn't realize that Eddie Bravo's yeah yeah so he has no idea
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Rogan is saying like I know you're not racist you've been sitting next to a
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Mexican for three hours no his name is Bravo he's Italian right wait you
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sit wait I don't think that that pause is Alex being like I can't believe I sat
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next to a Mexican for no no I'm not saying I know I know you're not saying
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that and I just want to be clear it's just him being like I don't understand
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what you're saying right I don't get because he's can't process anything he's
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fucking so drunk and high that like I I'm not playing a ton of clips from the
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end of this episode because it is so disastrous it's just them wanting to end
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the episode and the natural rhythms are over and then Alex being like no I got
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one more thing to say it's not about this Eddie what do you think about this
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and like trying to use Eddie as a prop in order to start a conversation yeah
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like it's trash it's awful but there is something that ends up being discussed
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that I think is very important and it's this I've been Paul draft you somebody
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pile drive to you what happened how old were you there's about 13 13 under so
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many pile drive you in your head did it change your personality I got up and
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punched him in the throat and they had drink it out of me I was dead Wow what
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so was it it was like the state wrestling champion middleweight and his
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cousin or something and the Dallas was like this like you know got me down I
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was never starting five man these people here's thing I'm not a victim of racial
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attacks I'm not like Jeffrey or Jesse Smollett you literally said that on red
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next and I got my leg broken you know by so this guy pile drive you on your head
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near 13 yeah what did it do to your personality then I had to fight his
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whole family well five most his family it was a Jane danger did the change but
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did do you have any significant change from that head injury sometimes when
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people have had injuries especially it seems like you know stuff just got
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better that's good timing so Alex says the end there I am brain damage there's
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no doubt so I guess we can take that as a curiosity we've had and put a check
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mark in it and we definitely get rid of the probably there yeah but the oh no
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cuz that guy didn't die but that might be the person that Alex is talking about
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who had medical complications later that died it's possible yeah but we can't put
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a definitive say that he had a tracheotomy and then died no almost died
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oh almost died all right he didn't say he died but the other thing there is
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that this needs to be fucking crystal clear Joe is being like that's good
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timing when Alex is saying like his response to the like well how did your
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personality change is like it was all good from there yeah I don't think that
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was a joke I think it was Alex responding like in a dismissive kind of
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way to like what he's asking me is a threatening question in some ways
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because if I recognize the fact that I got pile driven on concrete when I was
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13 how did your personality change because that is a very common thing that
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happens right with severe brain trauma or head trauma Alex is I think it's a
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dismissive answer that Joe is taking as a joke and it's not a joke now I want
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to tell you this Jordan the pile driver is actually a move that's banned by the
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WWE here we go because it's if it's not performed right the odds of it killing
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or paralyzing someone are really high for instance at SummerSlam 1997 Owen
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Hart delivered a botched pile driver to Stone Cold Steve Austin and broke his
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neck in the middle of the match thankfully he was able to get surgery
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and recover from that but it pretty much guaranteed that Stone Cold's career be
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cut way short most doctors who generally aren't thrilled to be asked to comment
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on this sort of thing agree that the pile driver if it's delivered in a real
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world scenario would almost definitely break a person's neck and would very
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likely immediately kill them the direct downward force would cause your spinal
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column to completely compress so the odds of you not at very least ending up
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paralyzed are very very low what Alex is describing is a situation that it
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doesn't match with like the idea that you stood up and then punched the guy I
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don't know if this is true it seems like it's not true or at least the narrative
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of it seems not true and like and you might be combining two stories well and
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in his world it is almost certainly exaggerated even if it even if the
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sequence of events that he's describing happened it wasn't that he got full-on
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piledrive right more like he got thrown or whatever it is and he's then
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describing it as a piledriver in order to kind of that's a possibility to give
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everybody the mental image of what he survived and and bounced back from in a
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superhuman way right he's you know he got pushed to the ground but whatever it
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is it's a dangerous oh absolutely dangerous thing to be like bandying
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about because they're like it's it's like I think that anybody who talks
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about real fights in the real world I think you have a responsibility
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especially when a piledriver comes up say don't do that to people you have a
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real good chance of killing them yeah don't do that no his his argument would
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be don't do that to people because they might stand up and then punch you in the
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fucking throat well that's Alex's angle exactly yeah Jesus so what an idiot even
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if you accept his preposition or his proposition that like he got pile driven
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and then punch this guy in the throat cause a tracheotomy blah blah blah
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whatever even if you accept that let's let's imagine let's stipulate that
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that's sure what he experienced at 13 is an intense trauma like that is because
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this guy is the state wrestling champion or whatever like he's a wrestler he's a
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muscly guy there's a lot of weight to him so when you pile drive someone part
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of the compression part of it is their weight coming along with your weight
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falling down and knocking your head into the ground so the idea is it's it's
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someone who would be able to deliver that with a ton of impact right but the
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idea that a wrestling that an actual state wrestling champion not a
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professional writer would deliver a pile driver another good point silly it kind
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of like he would use wrestling moves you know you'd get you in a full Nelson or
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yeah exactly he would choke you out or do any number of things he wouldn't be
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like I saw this I saw the undertaker do this like fuck off right it is weird but
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anyway even if you believe it's true then what you have to come away from
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that is Alex that is crazy that is that is a trauma that people don't go through
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yeah I mean but this this every bit of information we have about Alex's
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childhood from this and basically every story he's ever told about his childhood
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is that same that same sympathizing thing that you hear from so many serial
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killers child sure where it's like I experienced nothing but non-stop trauma
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until I was but and then I started killing people and so we stopped
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sympathizing with you but for him it's like there's literally nothing that you
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can describe his childhood as other than a near non-stop combination of statutory
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rape fucking a goddamn mind control games by his dad and then now physical
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fucking violence is fucked up and emotionally threatening situations that
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yes in whether it be believing that someone's parent was trying to induct
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him into a satanic cult right or any of these things like completely on the no
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boundaries situations that he finds himself in yeah yeah no and I want to
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make this super clear because this is important I don't think I necessarily
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believe any of the details of course he's saying no but if you take him at
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what he's saying if you believe him then this is a really really the portrait
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that he's painting of his younger years is exactly the recipe for someone who
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needs help yeah it's not somebody who's funny it's not somebody who has you can
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laugh at how crazy he is or none of that stuff and and if you don't believe him
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that's even kind of weirder because then it's someone who's lying to try and
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create the image that their childhood was the sort of thing that would require
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decades of therapy in order to get you to be able to integrate this information
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into a healthy life yeah so it's it's kind of like I don't know what you're
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getting out of bragging and embellishing these stories that are deeply fucked up
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right I don't know I just want to I just want to make clear that I don't believe
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this stuff just because he's saying it yeah I'm not getting tricked by like
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some sort of you know a goof all right all right but if you do believe it this
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is very serious that's what I'm saying I see the way that I'm treating this is I
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don't believe the details of what he's saying but I do believe in the overall
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trauma of what he's the feeling that he's expressing yeah behind the yeah be
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warped detail yeah he didn't go to some senior in high school's house in a
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Mercedes and get inducted into a satanic cult by killing knock I don't think that
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that's true but I do think that something happened wherein he got really
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traumatized at a very young age yeah in a way that is a far lower stakes version
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I mean it's entirely possible that he was a young person at like some sort of
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a church that was a little bit weird yeah or whatever and they wanted him to
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go join the youth group or something like that and he's repurposed that story
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right whatever emotions he felt threatened in that in that moment when
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they're like you should be a part of our group I think you have a lot to offer to
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you yeah whatever yeah that's entirely possible I don't know I think I think we
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drift into like the possibility of like irresponsibly psychoanalyzing him I know
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what you're saying is appropriate but then if we get more specific it's bad
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right whatever he's describing is probably a general feeling that he had
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that does describe trauma the detail exactly who fucking knows whatever
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happened this guy was traumatized whatever his details are are secondary
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to the fact that he is describing a very real trauma that he experienced
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regardless of you know like this is the type of shit that you would be hearing
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in group you know or you like hearing in a biography of a guy who's on death row
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yeah yeah no it is it's yeah it's deeply troubling stuff I don't know why Alex
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would want that to be his backstory if it's not true yeah but I don't know
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maybe his life is just super boring I mean I guess he could be from a from a
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very crass standpoint I guess that he could be trying to elicit sympathy you
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know look at look at how fucked up my childhood was but then I don't understand
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why you would pass it off as bragging in an aggressive way yeah yeah I don't know
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it all kind of goes out the window after I heard this next clip though because
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it's just masculine posturing a lot of it like at its core like a lot of those
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stories even the ones by like the eyes 12 was fucking the 17 year old there is
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still a macho posturing behind it yeah again it's the it's the high school kid
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who fucks his teacher and everybody gives him a high five and you're like no
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that's that's deeply fucked up right and so this next clip was gross any given
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time if somebody's a regular guy and they and I would never start a fight
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they kick my ass like the average 150 pound guy you're probably my ass but
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when like a bunch of people are coming after me it's like Darth Vader and
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Darth Vader notorious for being good in a street fight that's gross that is two
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problems with that the first thing so many problems with that well many but
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the two problems I'm identifying is he said the first time I bash someone's
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head into the concrete which implies there was a second oh yeah not just that
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one time I did and then the second thing is I got higher than hell I got I got
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the equivalent of a drug experience off causing pain to somebody by bashing
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someone's head into a concrete I felt so alive I felt I felt like I got to an
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elevated state by causing this pain yeah that is David David Wong wrote a book
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called futuristic violence and fancy suits which I think is I really love
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that book and the main villain in that book is just the essential avatar of
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toxic masculinity and his huge deal is just by this violent bullshit masculinity
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ideology that I have I feel the juice I feel the adrenaline right right and
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that's greater than any feeling in the world and I'm I'm destroying the week in
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order for the the true super society to be built entirely around the adrenaline
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high and it's like crust yeah it's just fucking disgusting it is just a to some
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extent no but he's the villain yeah okay the point is they're going through all
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like he's he's being described in his actions are such that it cannot be more
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obvious that this is toxic masculinity right at its worst yeah and Alex is
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embodying that to to deep extent to a deep extent I don't know what to do with
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those sorts of things like it really is tough because like I mean I don't know
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there's a world that exists and it might be the world we're living in where Alex
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is making all this up yeah and he may never have bashed somebody's head into
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the concrete he talks about it a lot we've heard him talk about it a bunch
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right so like it's possible he's making that up if he isn't he's describing
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taking great pleasure from doing it yeah which I fucking hate if he's making it
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up he's making it up in service of saying that he got great pleasure from
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it which I also hate yeah because that's also a part of his brain then he's
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imagining what it would be like to bang someone's head on the concrete and
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thinking I probably get really high doing yeah I probably would get a
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fucking charge out of that there's no way around that that doesn't describe
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someone who is deeply disturbed yeah what is this fuck even if it's in self
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defense like I understand punching somebody if they're coming at you or
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whatever I'm not going to I'm not gonna I hate violence in all its forms but I'm
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not going to sit here and say like self-defense is bad or anything like
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that well if you're a Christian there's that whole turn the other cheek part
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right look I'm not I don't want to litigate that it's not I know I know I'm
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just pointing out that I don't think there's any circumstance where you're
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banging someone's head into the concrete that is justifiable violence I don't
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believe that and then imagining or having the response that you get high
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and enjoy it is just you're a monster absolutely disgusting real or not you
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are a real or not monster yeah and that means you're a monster yeah yeah
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you're gross I ate it we're enough years into this where it does kind of seem as
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though or at least I feel like I have a certain handle on when Alex is making
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something up whole cloth right and when he is exaggerating something there's a
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behind it yeah exactly there is something too many of these stories
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trauma did happen yes yeah I don't know the details it's not it's not the same
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as when he's making something up and he's like my grandpa was German I don't
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want to get into it yeah exactly I don't want to get into it yeah if he wasn't
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something if it was completely made up there would be either the I don't want
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to get into it and I'll leave it as like a tease or the hyper detailed like I I
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gave this I I smashed this guy's head into the concrete I remember because he
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was wearing a no fear t-shirt and blue jean shorts and you know there would be
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those hyper specific details that kind of tell you oh you're just fucking
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making this shit up he's done that on some occasions with some of his violent
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stories on his own show but he's not doing it here on this episode exactly
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but this next clip I think is really important and that is that like he's
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telling these really fucked up stories and is refusing to take any kind of
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ownership of the idea that they're fucked up he's just I don't know it's
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it's it's insane and it's also insane to hear this clip after he like two clips
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prior I believe he said I'm brain damaged there's no doubt about it yeah
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when the kid dropped you on your head what effect did it have on you
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physically it was by the field house because his cousin attacked me and I
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beat him up and so the wrestling champ was like a senior comes and goes oh yeah
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he's playing around he caught up on my head was bleeding like he'd won and I
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punched him in the neck and broke his they had a trick he got him he almost
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died I was like yeah he almost killed me he was like he could like he slammed me
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in the ground my head's bleeding all these stitches right here and then he
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couldn't believe when I got up and said well you die he couldn't understand like
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the energetic equivalence he couldn't understand being the nail you don't
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understand being the hammer he didn't understand that and then they you know
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they took me to jail they let me go I'm not some tough guy the point is I'm
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gonna fight back and and so Dallas was so what happened your head after that I
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mean I lost it nam I never even got knocked out in that one he slammed my
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head in the ground and I remember like everybody made the joke cuz the concrete
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cracked oh it was like on the edge of the concrete he he Paul dropped me right
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into the concrete like split my head way open this is her story I was getting up
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was like slow motion pushing around the neck and the ambulances the police came
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that was that story do you did you go to the hospital no they took me to jail for
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that but then they'd let me go they didn't check your head did you tell them
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you got pile drive no they showed it up they showed it up in the in the gym
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they didn't like check to see if you had a severe concussion or any subdermal
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hematoma no well that's fucked up I mean I don't know if any of that's true but
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that's fucked up what he's presenting a super fucked up I don't believe the
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concrete broke I don't believe his head was split open any of that stuff because
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the force that would be required for either of those things to happen would
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probably kill him from that maneuver you know it's just it's just hero story
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embellishing yeah but he's presenting a story where he didn't have he didn't go
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to the hospital they didn't check him for a concussion he just went to jail
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they sewed him up and then let him go if that is the reality this is a huge
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turning point in his life yeah even if like he looks broken even in the 80s
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which is around when this would be happening even then you would still at
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least go to the hospital if you were bleeding profusely and required stitches
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so the story being that he went straight to jail it suggests otherwise it kind of
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does it kind of suggests that he's making up a little bit of this whole it
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was entirely self-defense thing I mean maybe who knows who knows it's impossible
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to parse the no of course I don't know it's not important who gives a fuck so
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I'll fuck him he's telling these stories and there's a lot of this hero story
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nonsense and earlier we heard him talk about this 17 year old he was fucking
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around with when he was much younger who choked him out and there's the first
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time he got choked out but it turns out him and his friends used to choke each
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other out for fun quite a bit I did that though I've heard this from a lot of
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people this was not part of my childhood but I've heard it a number of times this
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clip is so fucked up because he's talking about it and then he fakes
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crying talking about the memories of being choked out by his friend off for
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fun didn't you say that when your friends would choke you out you know
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what these long dreams oh yeah no no be out for a couple seconds junior high
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sixth seventh eighth grade cuz we got choked out a couple our times I finally
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stopped guys like it's incredible we do this during lunch and we go back like
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someone press on their arteries like a bad time to be like one time like I
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remember this one time I they choked me out and also was like a black knight
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with a sword goes and like attacks me on this horse and then like it was and then
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I was like in England thousands of years ago and I had this wife these kids it
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was a whole lifetime like taking care of them and like growing food and like a
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kid starved to death died it was like just those moments were like whole lives
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dead kids everything that's what I'm saying like you dial into all those
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ancestors and it was like my kids and kids starving to death and like people
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attacking us so you think all that information from your ancestors somehow
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or another encoded someone definitely go to Joe that's so fucked up I I mean
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here's what I will say I love to hear what you'll say I I so this wasn't a
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thing like when I was working at God camp I was around 15 or so and it was
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God camp so I was there for a full month or whatever and I was living in these
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like little cabin bullshit with other people around my age some of whom
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brought this whole thing up the choking out the choking out thing yeah and I
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remembered I remember doing it and one time I do remember this feeling of like
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I woke up and I felt like I had lived an entire different lifetime uh-huh like I
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remember there being a different thing or whatever it was right I not gonna cry
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about it I've heard that from people before like whether it's like some
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specific hallucination that you have or waking up from being choked out with
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like a euphoric state yeah I've heard that from people who are into like S&M
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and like you know that sort of play within sexuality there is something like
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a lot of people do like to get choked out there is a pleasurable experience in
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a controlled environment exactly gonna have and I'm not gonna judge that I am
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gonna judge Alex being ostensibly a political commentator at least that's
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how he presents himself coming on Joe Rogan's show now in our five or so of
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the show pretending that like there's some sort of esoteric spiritual truth to
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him and his buddies choking each other out and then him having a vision of his
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children starving to death and living as a farmer yeah as I can fake crying it's
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just it's insane like yeah I don't I understand Joe not wanting to rock the
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boat but like his response being like you really think that people are you
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know like your ancestor that's your answer isn't that it Alex me like you
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bet it is like there's so many points when you should hit the eject button
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yeah of this like I'm sitting across the table with a lunatic right I thought
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that we had a friendship he said he was going to politically hang me up like a
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pig and slit my throat right and then which I don't know how you could
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politically do that to Joe relatively politically politically but I we made we
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made peace with this long conversation on the phone that we had he pretended
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to apologize for Sandy Hook I didn't realize he was lying to me through most
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of that we've had a very weird conversation that has gone a bunch of
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places now he's high and he's telling me about all this brain trauma that he
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fucking had from when he was younger yeah now he's talking about however
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what used to choke him out and he loved it and it connected him with his
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ancestors yeah I don't fucking like I would just be like I I wish there was an
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opportunity for him to like actually have I wouldn't say backbone that's not
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right because Joe is a he's a you know he has backbone yeah if he wanted to he
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could have pushed back against Alex exactly how he should have right like
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it's not that he's a coward or anything like that I'm not saying that he doesn't
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have the wherewithal he doesn't have the presence or the motive to do that and he
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should because what Alex is describing if left unchecked appears to be normal
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or heroic or funny any of those three things those are the three possibilities
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that you walk away from this with what Alex is describing is a deeply deeply
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fucked up situation and you don't have to call it bad but you don't have to
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allow it to be presented as normal heroic or it's just it's not acceptable
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yeah this is just not acceptable nope so we have two more clips and they are just
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Alex super high drunk and trying to talk politics a little bit because he
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recognizes that they want to end the show and he said he wanted to end the
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show two hours ago but he also wants to keep it going because this is the only
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way he gets people to look at him yeah there's hundreds of thousands of people
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watching that he doesn't have access to otherwise he needs it and he wants to
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keep it going which is why we've gotten to the point we've gotten to already
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right but so he says these these next like when you're doing a show and after
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the headliner goes up the host tries to do another ten do another day doing
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like that was that's not no no you're holding people hostage yeah and Alex is
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holding Eddie and Joe hostage to a certain extent because they're very
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polite yeah almost to their detriment actually to their detriment yeah I mean
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they're not they don't come off looking terrible I know the joke could have done
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better and actually I'll get to that at the end of the episode but I have some
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very serious things I need to say about okay but before we get to that Alex says
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some fucking dumb things about politics or at least his political positions the
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first one is about the LGBT community trans people in particular all right he
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shouldn't be talking no and this position I think is disgusting and
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probably one of the worst stances you could have other than Alex's other
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stance that is all trans people are pedophiles which that the worst position
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this slightly better but way on the worst side this is terrible because I
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don't care if you're a trans or your dude once you woman I don't literally
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I'm a libertarian don't act like I'm trying to suppress you but the Japanese
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said hey you don't get the trans designation unless you chop the Johnson
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and the way blows off it's like hey you get taxpayers will pay for it you get
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that vagina bill and you sit there and do it leave like so there's two problems
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that one is that he's just to these seems to well I'm sure there are more
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but two that I want to highlight one is that he seems to think that trans women
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are the only people who exist because he only talks about these issues in terms
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of like chop your dick off yeah because that's the only way because if you have
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a pussy then I get it yeah you have a pussy then we're in who doesn't want to
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be a man we're all cool then you know like because I understand it then so
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that's fucked up that is exclusionary and it erasing the entire existence of
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trans men or people on the all over the gender spectrum that aren't exactly what
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he believes is what's being talked about second I find this very repulsive the
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idea that trans people need to get surgery in order to prove it that they
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believe what you know like whatever like hey if you don't get surgery you don't
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mean it like that kind of thing is exactly what Alex is describing as his
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his positions like if you're not willing to chop your dick off then you don't
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mean it and I don't I'm I'm I'm very staunchly opposed to the idea of people
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setting whatever standard quite frankly of like proving your identity you know
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that idea of like you you are this great I'm libertarian I don't care I'm not
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judging you at the same time I don't know oh you could you can hold on right
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hold on there's where it goes but there's a period at that time there's a
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period that could have been at that semi-colon if you if you have to add the
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semicolon then you're already wrong you're invalidating the first clause by
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including the second clause which is you need to get surgery for me to validate
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your identity it's fucking awful it's it's it's a disgusting cancerous
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position you can't say I'm a libertarian don't think I'm oppressing you and then
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say the only way I will acknowledge you is if you do what I tell you is my
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present it is like I believe the Japanese model I'm not sure that is the
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Japanese model but who cares other than other than trans people in Japan who if
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that is the Japanese model they're getting fucked over they're being
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oppressed sure whatever the case is I don't care I don't like this I don't
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like he's just expressing something that is I'm a libertarian I believe this also
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here's why I don't actually believe this and I don't care about freedom so cool
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man cool your bigotry bigotry shines through exactly even as you try and
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express I'm not a bigot I don't care if you're white or black or whatever but
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white people and Japanese people are smarter than everybody fuck off yeah
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yeah fuck you so it is it is such like it would I would prefer it I would
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genuinely prefer it if he just said I think trans people are gross there we I
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don't understand it they're weird I'm threatened by them because I love
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masculinity so much right imagine somebody a voluntarily relinquishing
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masculinity as if that's even a fucking thing my worldview is dependent on this
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sort of by system this bifurcated system and there's a power balance that is
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intrinsic within it based on classical norms and anything that subverts that is
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fucking yeah to me you're ruining authority system yeah to it and it's the
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only way my brain works and I yeah but men should dominate women well some men
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are actually identify as women and they don't necessarily always need to get
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surgery in order to identify as women they can present as women that's still a
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totally valid thing and it's something that everybody should respect and care
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about that muddies the goddamn waters who do I oppress all trans people true
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fuck you if you because if you just said it was gross and weird and I don't like
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it then we can have a conversation but if you hide behind it as though well see
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there's it for me there's a benchmark it's it's the reason that he jumps from
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A to B to C to D to E in conversation so much to disallow you to have a
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conversation about point A yeah it's the same sort of thing he has to he has to
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just make non-existent points in order for you to like change you're the bull
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chasing the red flag yeah that he's waving around god it's so fucking I'm so
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sick of it if he were to just come out and say what he means which is exactly
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what you're saying which is the I think this is gross it threatens my world view
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I'm scared of this I don't know what to do with it then you could cool let's
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talk no but then why are you afraid he's the matador about to get hit by the bull
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and he knows it because his position sucks he's the matador who hasn't
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trained or whatever he's just he's a sitting duck he knows that that position
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is bad that's why he has to use the red cape of whatever whatever dumb
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narratives he has it's it's the thing that all of these people do when they're
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talking about the LGBTQ community it is always this idea of like if I were to
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say my real issue which is that I'm grossed out and I don't understand it
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then the conversation becomes why why do you feel that way and that is something
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that they can't handle because then they'd have to wrestle with oh it's not
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it's not that they're having a problem they're not having a problem I am and I
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because of my problem and making their lives worse well once they have to deal
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with the why do you feel this way it all falls apart I think 5050 on that because
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I think on a on some emotional level they recognize that what they would have
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to deal with with that why question is those entrenched power dynamics and
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those sort of things that's definitely true they're unwilling to unpack right
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and so I think that the why do you feel that way because I have a privilege that
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is oh no I had to admit that I'm privileged unpacking that suitcase or
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whatever is something that they're unwilling or unable to do and it does
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make good sense to never open that bag if you can find some sort of a way to
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make sure that that is never the conversation yeah distract from you know
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yeah so the the why they know why they're distracting from having to talk
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about that with other things that are external because if they admit the why
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they would have to then confront the reality or they'd have to give in and
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they'd have to accept that it's actually their problem it's the same thing with
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Alex obfuscating this whole fucking time about this alien shit that he's talking
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about and then finally pressed to it he's like do you know general stubble
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buying it's like that's the unpacking of the suitcase yeah it's like that's what
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you don't that's the conversation you don't want to have because now you've
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laid your cards on the table that's why you believe this alien shit yeah oh no
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we know jubble stubble buying don't don't come on come on guy come on guy
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your arguments bad I know I know in in high school there was a kid who was just
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very gradually all he did was he started signing his name on papers as and that
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was the way she came out mm-hmm and most people didn't even notice it most
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teachers didn't even notice it but it was such it's such a powerful thing for
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her to have just done that in a way that is not it's just it's just amazing I
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would never if if I would never have had that courage that's incredible no
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because it welcomes so much yeah horrible things into your life yeah the
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possibilities of the bullying and whatever people will do she she took
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control of her identity in a way that is more powerful than anything I could hope
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to do like it's incredible yep and Alex diminishes all that with his stupid
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bullshit arguments so he can go fuck himself and whatever now not whatever I
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didn't mean that to be dismissed but in this next clip Alex now brings it into
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the conversation of race stuff which you've already heard he loves Korean
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food which is great but this I think is one of the crassest things I've ever
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heard I don't judge things about money black people because that was really a
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big story at the time stop now and I stopped now came out cuz I'd seen the
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footage I was watching live and saw him take her head money I was like lady I
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said it's a black lady and and what the hell this woman was like they were like
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oh my god he cares about black people yeah man I care about whatever the color
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they are it was that moment they like all just bought product I feel like I
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should give you context but also allow you to live in that gross space where
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he's like oh my god he likes black people and they all bought product
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that's how his brain works that's what he's expressing here and he started that
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clip by saying I don't go off of money and then the end result of it is they
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all bought product which isn't it awesome that I show some sort of
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compassion towards a black and all of a sudden black people buy products from me
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weird so what he's talking about is that woman who drove her car into a barricade
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at the White House and she was shot and had a kid in the car it is a fucked up
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situation but it wouldn't have happened if she hadn't driven her car into the
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barricade I don't know all the details of that situation but I do think it's
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super fucked up that Alex is bringing that up as like a evidence that he cares
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about black people yeah based on all the other stuff we know about him and what
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he thinks about let's let's bring the one black woman that Trump hired to a
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fucking Cohen here yeah great you did it you solved fucking racism you racist
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pile of fucking garbage how it's about Sam how goddamn dare you say that even
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look we all knew it we all knew it that the reason was purely money motivated
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but god damn it and I think that that's one of the reasons why I decide to end
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on this clip because that's not the end of the episode there's another good like
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five seven minutes or so where they're just like how do we end this you know or
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whatever who needs to listen to that click whatever click enjoy press stop
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record go listen to the other his five-hour episode 20 here the actual end
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that's the end to me when Alex is saying like it like it's crazy I just I made a
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like conspiracy about this black person who was the victim of something and then
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bada-bing black people bought my shit let's refer you back to the clip that no
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living black person has ever experienced as much racism as Alex has experienced
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from black people he also has said that he's the new Martin Luther King yeah at
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various points in his career so we come to the end of this and like I don't
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first of all we're four and a half hours into the episode of course oh hey
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everyone who has complained about our short episodes go suck a lemon but
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second I didn't know that was big addicted it was a little bit but I do
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take those I take that I know I know you do it's okay because I feel like we
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always go too long and then we get complaints it's too short I don't know
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anyway my point is I didn't want to do this episode but right now at the end of
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it I'm glad we did because we had a lot of fun with various things yeah but I do
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I don't think that this was good and I don't think more attention should be
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drawn to it and I do recognize the sort of the hypocrisy of it to a certain
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extent that we're doing an episode about it while saying no one should pay
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attention to this well I mean the very it's a hard line for us to walk the very
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concept of our show is we cover Alex Jones which by necessity means we have to
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bring attention to Alex Jones so when Alex Jones does a stunt in order to get
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attention we have a certain responsibility to cover it while at the
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same time we recognize that we are in a way participating in the very thing that
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he desires I guess it's less an issue of like you shouldn't cover him period it's
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more you should cover him in appropriate context and dealing with what he's
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saying is what he means as opposed to what he wants you to cover which I hope
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we do I hope we I think we do I think I think I believe we do I have some
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questions about this episode if only because of that pro wrestling vagueness
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of like I don't fucking know what he's lying about here yeah I don't know how
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much of this is blustery bullshit so there is a there is a part where we're
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taking there's a little bit of faith on our end of like should we care that he's
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talking about basically being statutorily raped by abusive women
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repeatedly yeah should we care about that I mean I think we should he's
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saying it yeah but is it a lie is it a machismo related lie right I don't
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fucking know we deal with him by whatever he's presenting and you do the
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best you can now unlike Alex with Steve Pachannik we do not trust blindly our
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source of Alex Jones true and then I think the bigger issue is the
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conversation about Alex is kind of moot to some extent because we know him from
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his his works for years yeah this is just Alex really fucked up on a show
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that he knows gets way more traction than he does and he's trying to appeal
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to Joe's audience for the most part like all this alien dumb bullshit yeah not
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sees talking to aliens and meetings yeah I know it from my dad who did teeth
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cyborgs and all that shit DDS David all that stuff like you get where his angle
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is coming from I'm disappointed in Rogan to a very serious degree I understand
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why he did what he did he presents it as coming from like a human perspective of
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like I love you you're my friend yeah I want to give you a fair reading and I
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recognize that you only lashed out at me because we weren't in communication and
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you felt like you were on the outside and I was like you know rejecting you or
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something like that I think that that's a dishonest portrait of what Alex did to
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him I think that I think on one level he is being way too accepting and embracing
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of Alex's behavior which which falls under that heading of enabling yeah like
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Alex lashed out at him in a way that if not planned like I don't think that they
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planned it together because that would be too much they definitely didn't plan
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it together no Alex planned it mm-hmm it was artificial yeah for sure but Joe's
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response to it if not planned is the worst thing you could do in these
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circumstances it is allowing Alex to behave the way he did in the lead up to
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this with the stunt aspect of it like I'm gonna I'm gonna hang you up like a
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stuck pig slit your throat politically all this shit yeah like all that nonsense
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like he allows him to behave that way no consequences and then Alex gets exactly
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what he wants which is he steamrolls five hours with Joe's audience and Joe's
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audience will think this is one of the most epic episodes ever yeah because
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Alex is talking about the Nazis having access to space and they have contracts
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with aliens Alex can't back any of that Alex's grandfather is a Nazi he was in
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with Warner von Braun he can't back any of this stuff up it's not things he
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talks about normally at least not in more like more vague vague language
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possibly but like this is him posturing Joe is allowed him essentially to come
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in and wreck shop he has just allowed him to come in and be like I'm not the
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guy you think I am I'm fucking weird aren't you interested in yeah how weird
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I am yeah he's poached his audience not all of them like but he's poached enough
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of them that it'll probably give him the blood infusion that he needs with the
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like his inability to get new people in he's taken the dumb people who listen to
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Rogan who don't know about Alex and fed them into his marketing machine he's
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given him the transfusion that he needs to keep things going for a little bit
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and that I think is a pathetic act I think Rogan whether his intentions are
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pure or not he got played he got played by a pro exactly there's only there's
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really this is boiling down to two realities one Rogan knows that Alex was
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playing him Rogan gave him I think he might not have wanted to accept it but
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yes I think he probably knew either either he knows that and he allowed it
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because he knew also that it was a thing that people would come to his show so
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either it was crass on his part as well or Rogan got fucking played like there's
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no other option to look at this either I I steer towards the ladder I have to
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steer towards the ladder because if only because I want to give Joe the benefit
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of the doubt that's not what I'm operating off uh-huh I'm operating off
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of how Joe behaved on the show mm-hmm like I said there are clips that I
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didn't play where he's talking about how like this is the Alex I know and love
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right like I wanted I wanted people to see this version of Alex that's fun and
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we're laughing we're having a great time that sort of thing there is still
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version you're describing is a manipulative piece of shit I think that
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he doesn't recognize that so many of the things that he thinks are funny about
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Alex are the tools that Alex uses to manipulate I wish you realize I'm
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talking a mile a minute and doing like Jeff from a to B to C to D to E yeah all
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that stuff is a tool that Alex uses to manipulate people into thinking he knows
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what he's talking about at the same time Rogan hears that and he's like this guy
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knows a ton of shit and he's funny like he just says shit that's funny I don't
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I think he's like I just think he he's a he's gullible fuck and that tracks with
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all the other guests I know I know I know that's that's what I'm that's why
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I'm leaning towards the latter as well yeah and it does seem like Joe is coming
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from a good faith position and he doesn't realize that Alex is not
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actually his friend nope and he should have listened to me when I was Joe's dad
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and told him that people who lied to him to his face are not his friends only if
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only and also Eddie Bravo is dumb as shit but still probably this episode the
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hero he probably saved I agree 100% if it had gone longer with just Joe and
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Alex it probably disaster a mess oh yeah getting him in there as a rogue variable
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like really made this close to listenable anyway I hate this I hate
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this show I'd like our show but I hate I hate this this episode of his show I
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think it's trash I think Joe is wrong regardless of his intentions could be
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great could be coming from a place of wanting to save a friendship whatever I
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don't care I think this is garbage amateurish nonsense he's allowing Alex
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to say all sorts of things that are indefensible on his show and he has no
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idea why they're indefensible and that's the problem that's the problem that's
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probably the problem with his entire show is like hey I just like to talk to
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interesting people we have this fun time having these conversations that's cool
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you're infested with manipulators yeah you have people with an agenda who
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aren't having a conversation with you that's the problem they're having a
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conversation with your listeners and you're watching exactly you have in
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conversation with Duncan Trussell Ari Shafir Joey Diaz Tom Segura these people
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you guys just spitballing ideas about the news maybe you guys say some stuff
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that's pretty fucked up whatever you're that is what you want the show to be
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then you introduce it to being like that same standard is held with people like
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Alex people like Jordan Peterson my oh you know
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plus Sam Harris these people coming on Dave Rubin Candace Owens these kinds of
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people who are propagandists these people who have an agenda they aren't
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there to have a good time and fuck around and then whatever conversation
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happens happens they're there to push something and they exploit your position
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of like I am just a guy who likes to have fun talking with people yeah and
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that is it like here's what Joe if you're listening go ahead and text me if
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I'm in the phone under dad if somebody should be your friend and I will tell
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you hard yes hard no very simple Alex shouldn't be your friend the part no the
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problem is that his principle or whatever he thinks the show is is good
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and it's a good idea yeah he has people and who are subverting his format in
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order to push something that he doesn't want to be associated with but he
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becomes associated with yeah now the extent to which he's a willing
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participant in that or a victim of it I don't care I have no idea how much that
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is the case either way the proof of the pudding is in the eating and the response
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and the end effect is that negative messages get reinforced negative
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messages get perpetuated and go unchallenged and that is what we've
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seen on this episode and so I would like to end this by saying Joe Rogan get
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better and Alex get help or Joe come on man and Alex that's kind of what I'm
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saying Alex hope you die bro like that I hope you don't have a heart attack by
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55 kind of do I hope you have a heart attack by 45 so he's already 45 yeah
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well there's still time month anyway this is a podcast we have had we have
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done it they saw we did it so long we have a website we do have a website it's
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knowledge fight calm that's right we also have a Twitter it's at knowledge
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underscore fight we are on Facebook we are on Facebook we have a group called
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go home and tell your mother you're brilliant please join it also we're on
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iTunes we're on iTunes we're on overcast we're on dog the bounty hunter next week
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is that still a show okay everyone hates gun show then we are not on that show
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but please download leave a review etc tell your friends maybe I don't know
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this might be a terrible and I would also like to say now that we're down to
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the plugs and everyone maybe turn yeah haha surprise people who listen to bonus
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no it's not a bonus it's a qualification like I get that there will be some
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criticism of like hey you didn't cover when Alex said this or whatever I think
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I said this at the beginning of the show I don't give a fuck okay we could not
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cover all right all right we couldn't cover the entire five-hour episode
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without doing ten hours yeah I was gonna say we covered the stuff that matter we
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covered overall the clips probably less than an hour would you say yeah and we
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did about four and a half hours I would say that we covered like bulk of the
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actual show actually I have the here I have it here an hour worth of actual
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audio from the show so yeah fifth of the show yeah but then I would also welcome
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people to say like if you think we didn't cover something that you think is
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important ask yourself is it something we've covered on our show a bunch of
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times right that's a good question if it's if it's not ask yourself a second
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question does it matter if you're new to the show start from the beginning yeah
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and then good luck all right yeah start from the beginning and take two years to
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listen to it because if you've mainline it there is some trouble no don't do
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that it could happen anyway we love you I would say that Eddie Bravo is a choke
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out specialist but I don't think he's killed anybody I think we would have
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known if Eddie Bravo killed anybody I would hope we would know I think it
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would be in the news I would hope the authorities would know I would say that
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Alex's described almost killing a guy in this episode in great detail and that's
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not what I'm interested in because he is also technically probably actually
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killed somebody Alex Jones you're a murderer Andy in Kansas you're on the
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air thanks for holding well Alex I'm a first-time caller I'm a huge fan I love
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your work I love you
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