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Hey everybody, Dan here.
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Just wanted to jump in with a slight introduction for this episode.
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First piece of business that I feel is important is to make a little bit of an apology.
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On the last episode about Roger Stone being indicted, I said he had a six-count indictment.
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I apologize.
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It is a seven-count indictment.
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I did mix that up.
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I had a little bit of a brain mix-up in delivering that information because of the obstruction
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charge and the witness tampering, I just sort of blended them a tiny bit.
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So sorry if anyone was confused by that.
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Beyond that, today we got an episode for you and here's the situation.
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We recorded this episode intending for it to be Monday's episode, but because of the
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old Roger Stone business we had to shuffle things around and so here we are with a 2009
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episode on Wednesday.
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I hope no one is too confused by that either.
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But because we got our days screwed up though because the world is crazy and Roger Stone
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has troubles, we weren't able to give a very special shout-out to someone out there who's
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about to celebrate their birthday tomorrow, Sarah Dee.
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Happy birthday to you.
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I hope you're having a great one out there.
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Matt got in touch with us and wanted us to send the happiest of birthday messages out
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to you, so please accept on our behalf the well-wishes of a wonderful 23rd year here
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on this earth.
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That would have been in the episode if Roger Stone hadn't gotten indicted, so how about
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that?
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If you want to blame any sloppiness on our part for that, blame Roger Stone.
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Anyway guys, thank you all so much for the positive feedback about the Roger Stone episode
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and all that.
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I really do appreciate it.
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Enjoy the episode.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first name caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey, everybody.
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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk just a little bit, just a touch about
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Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
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Hi, Jordan.
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Dan!
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Yeah?
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When was the last time you heard a fart song live?
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A what song?
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You know, a parody fart song?
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You know those?
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Live?
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Yeah.
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Whenever you're at a comedy show and a comedian pulls out a guitar and just sings the theme
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from the bodyguard, but he puts farts in places.
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I can't think of any instance of that, and I'm very glad that I haven't.
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That can't be true.
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You were a comedian for like seven years.
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But I blocked out a lot of those open mic things.
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In Chicago, the only song guy that I remember was the Iceman.
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I don't know if you remember the Iceman.
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I don't think so.
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He would wear a suit to open mics and he would sing, he had one song called The Best Party
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Ever.
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I do remember that guy.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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What was it about?
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The Best Party Ever.
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Oh, okay.
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It was a great party.
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What was the name of the song?
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Best Party Ever.
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Okay.
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Another song called The Couch Cow that I found really offensive.
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It was lazy and not funny, but it was about being at a party and hooking up with an overweight
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girl on the couch.
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Oh, that's really offensive.
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Yeah, gross.
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Yeah.
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That's bad.
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So I think that's worse than a fart song.
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That is worse than a fart song.
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I mean, that's as best I can do to fulfill your interview requests.
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But what we can do is thank some people who have signed up.
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Nicely done.
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And are supporting the show.
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We appreciate it very much.
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First of all, Martin.
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We appreciate it.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Martin.
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Thank you, Martin.
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Next, James.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, James.
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Thank you, James.
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Next, Pedro.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Pedro.
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Next, Marius.
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Now, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Marius.
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Now, there's been some talk on the group, the Facebook group, that there hasn't been
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a raptor princess in a while, and people miss that drop.
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It's tough to become a raptor princess.
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And one of the reasons is that we've been very unspecific about what that actually means.
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Fairly intentionally so, because I don't want it to be some sort of thing where you donate
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above this amount, and then you get the... I don't want it to be a monetary thing.
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I want it to be more of a spiritual thing.
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Currently, our raptor princesses are people who have gone above and beyond what could
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be considered monetary gain.
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Yes.
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They have done wildly, wildly, just frighteningly nice things.
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Right.
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And I just feel like it's kind of shitty of us to not be specific about what it requires.
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And this person donated on an elevated level, and I think that they also were big supporters
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of the show, and I think that we can call this criteria met, and everybody wants to
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hear the drop, so let's hear it.
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Let's do it.
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Bob H., thank you so much.
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You are now a raptor princess.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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I know how to read.
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I am out of control.
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I've never really seen a lot of white racism in my life.
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I've forgotten this.
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I bet you money.
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There are few living black people that have been abused by white people as much as I have
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been abused by black people.
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Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, both those guys were complete badasses, complete studs.
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Welcome to McDonald's.
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May I help you?
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I'm Bernie Sanders.
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Thank you so much, Bob.
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I forgot that our raptor princess drop gets really dark.
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People are prone to forget that.
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But if you were out there and you're listening and you'd like to support the show, we would
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appreciate it.
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You can do that by going to knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says, support the
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show.
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Please do.
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Thank you so much.
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That was a weird voice.
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Yeah, it was.
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Yeah.
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Weird tone.
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So Jordan, like I said.
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Was that your Bernie Sanders impression?
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It was.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So today we're going to be going over April 12th and 13th and guess what?
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April 12th is a best of.
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Took me 10 minutes of listening to the show to realize, oh, this is the same Chuck Norris
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interview I've already heard.
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You know, it'd be really fun because we've seen so many times we would do a present day
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episode and then we go back into 2009 and it's so relevant.
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It'd be hilarious if this episode was like, I don't know who this Roger Stone guy is,
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but he's probably going to jail someday.
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Roger doesn't come into Alex's life for four years after the point in 2009 that we're covering.
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So that would be prescientia.
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Exactly.
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Like this guy's a real, real piece of shit.
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It totally sounds like something that could happen.
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If sometime down the line, I trust that guy, someone fucking pinch me.
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Can you believe he has a tattoo of Nixon's face on his back?
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There's no way I would ever hang out with that guy.
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He's going to jail.
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Someone keep this clip and play it for me in the future.
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If I ever, I'm so stupid as to trust Roger Stone.
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Okay.
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This is actually, I think this is going to be kind of fun, maybe a little bit.
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The 13th is an interesting day and it always is nice to remind people that on April 8th,
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Alex turned real hard on Soros and then immediately started talking about how he liked Somali
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Pirates.
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And then what?
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Who knows?
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And so we find ourselves here on the 12th is a Sunday and Monday, I'm kind of expecting
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to hear Somali Pirate talk.
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No, I know Somali Pirate was a one off.
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At least somebody talked to him or was like, listen, don't talk about Somali Pirates anymore.
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You can't be, you can't be that guy.
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Hey man, you might not have a grasp on this story.
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You should, you should probably let it go.
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The thing is though that on the 13th, Alex should be talking about the Somali Pirate
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stuff because on the 12th they freed Captain Phillips.
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Right.
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Like the story came to a head on that Sunday when he had the day off playing a best of
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episode, he should come in and be like, hey, remember how I said you got to give it to
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him?
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Holy shit.
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That situation was nuts.
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One way or another, either like our sort of valorous kind of narrative where it's like,
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how dare they snipe them?
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You know, that sort of thing.
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Or being like, thank God we got this guy free from the clutches of these terrorists.
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You'd expect something, nothing.
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The day after Captain Phillips is freed, nothing.
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Zero.
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I think it's because he was suddenly disappointed in the Somali Pirates.
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He was like, what, you guys are going to lose to the, what is it, who are you even fighting
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against?
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Oh, the Amer, okay.
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Yeah.
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Well yeah, you are going to lose.
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You got no real Soros talk to speak of, nothing.
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None of these trends are continuing at all.
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Everything is just, every day is random.
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It's like it's a different show.
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There's no serialized aspect to it.
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I like it.
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There's very little continuity in anything to the point where I was second guessing myself.
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I'm like, did I mislabel these episodes?
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Is this from 2010 or something like that?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I didn't.
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I checked, double checked because it's so incongruous.
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But like I said, Alex had Sunday off on the 12th and he comes in on the 13th and here's
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where he's at.
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Oh wait, here's an out of context drop first.
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And I really have never been wrong.
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Cool.
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Okay.
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Hold on to that thought.
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All right.
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Anyway, here's where he starts the show.
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And it feels like I had a month off, very, very relaxing to actually have two full days
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off.
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I didn't do any work Saturday or Sunday.
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Well that's not really true.
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I only did four or five hours of research Saturday night and Sunday night, but I don't
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really call that work.
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So I am focused.
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I have a ton of news and information to cover today.
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Very important broadcast, just tons of just amazingly important news and information.
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Okay.
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So there's no chance that any of that is real.
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I mean, he did take two days off.
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That is 100% true.
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Four to five hours of studying on your desk.
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Get the fuck out of here, Alex.
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Yeah.
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What are you, Dan?
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Yeah, get the fuck out of here.
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So what he comes in with, his main narrative that he starts off the show with is bird flu.
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Right.
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But it's confusing to me because the narrative hasn't developed at all.
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It's the exact same sort of lies that we heard in the Baxter pharmaceutical narrative that
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we heard a little ways back.
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So here's Alex jumping back into that narrative and just, I mean, listen, there's nothing
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new here.
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Then I've got another one here, bird flu.
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There's all these incredible admissions of just ultra massive people dying, being injected
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with live bird flu shots, bird flu in 18 countries mixed with the vaccines, the vaccines being
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shipped out.
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They were actually being injected with live birds.
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That's why the conspiracy theory gossip sites don't cover it.
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They don't discuss it.
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They don't touch it when it's in the Toronto Star and Reuters and or Spiegel and Bloomberg
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and right here on this radio show.
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Forget that.
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Forget discussing that weaponized bird flu mixed with regular human flu.
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The media won't investigate it.
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No one discusses it.
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It's admitted out in the open for the last month.
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Nobody wants to touch it because it's real.
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Nope.
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That's not why.
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So we don't need to go into this cause we already did a full breakdown of this, this
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whole narrative.
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But you can see here he's just hitting those same points about that story all over again.
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And if you recall, much of the information about this story was based on a post that
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was written by Paul Joseph Watson on Info Wars.
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Why not just keep throwing shit in there like, oh, this is bird flu that's mixed with human
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regular flu and there's swine flu and they have hip dysplasia and all of that.
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It's all in there.
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Why not?
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It's the same thing we talk about a long time.
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You can lie on a lie.
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Why not?
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Who gives a shit?
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So I was questioning, like, why is he bringing this back up?
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This doesn't make any sense from like a timeline standpoint.
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It just doesn't, it doesn't seem to be relevant.
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And then he says this and I kind of figured out exactly why.
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I mean, I've seen it a million times and I've seen it once.
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People love to obsess on what can't be proven or what's nebulous.
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And I guess it's like a whodunit or something, a mystery theater on PBS brought to you by
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Exxon Mobil or something, I don't know.
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But you know, I suddenly get all these emails Saturday night because I didn't do any research
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Saturday.
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I spent all day with my children playing in the backyard and playing in the sandbox and
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playing with cars on the floor and all sorts of evil things like that.
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And I finally go in and open my email up and it's like, you're covering up the bird flu.
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Why aren't you covering this?
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So he's responding in a defensive way about someone, like people have emailed him, accusing
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him of covering up the bird flu.
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So that's why he's got to bring back up the narrative.
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People are saying that he's covering it up.
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Like he's actively working for the opposition now to hide the bird flu.
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Or just not talking about it.
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So I think that we get a nice little window into how Alex's brain operates.
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Like he absolutely negotiates with trolls and terrorists of the message board variety.
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Somali pirates, if you will.
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Sure.
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In as much at least as like they'll say, hey, you're doing this.
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And then he'll be like, no, I'm not.
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And then he'll go too far the other direction.
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So he's bringing back up all the bird flu stuff.
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But it's interesting because Alex can trace back where this criticism of him online is
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coming from.
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And lo and behold, it's another GCN talk show.
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Then I go to info wars.com, read the comments, you're covering it up.
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Spamming every, you know, page and I'm like, okay, let me look at it.
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So I sit there and I listened to it and it's a caller to Genesis radio show and no blame
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on the fine talk show host.
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Who's Mark Mary and I just wish that caller called me so I could challenge him.
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In fact, uh, you're that lady from calling from New York, freaking out one 800-259-9231.
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We don't have open phones right now, but if you want to call in, cause I got some questions
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for you.
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Anyways, this lady calls in.
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What's your address?
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She says, she says, Oh my gosh, there's this truck driver.
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He's Spanish and he gets taken down to these silos and he gets given an injection.
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He just told for the safety of his family.
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And then it's all iced and it's delivered and it goes all over the place to Homeland
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security and here's the addresses of the, and the health department.
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And they tell him, here's your number.
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And he goes to a back room at bank of America and they pay him in cash and it's all secret
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and you listen to it.
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And I just know what's real and I know it's not, and I know this is bull.
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So another Genesis Communications Network show got a caller who has this extravagant
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other bird flu conspiracy theory.
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And Alex demonstrates pretty clearly that he's able to engage in critical thinking when
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he wants to.
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It's odd.
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Yeah, that is a little bit of a tell.
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But so he, a number of people who have listened to this other Genesis show and heard this
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caller believe that conspiracy theory and have accused Alex of covering up this stuff.
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So this leads to about a 40 minute chunk of Alex's show where he's super defensive about
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that and how like, I know this is bullshit cause I know how everything operates.
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Right, right, right.
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I know how this stuff works and no, they're not going to take them to the back room at
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a bank of America.
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They're not going to take them down at a silo.
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They just ship out the bad vaccines through FedEx like man.
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So when, when this was written down, uh, uh, Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first
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we practiced to deceive, uh, William Shakespeare, uh, he had no fucking clue about conspiracy
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theorists, man.
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He had no idea what shit was going to go down.
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People are bitching at each other.
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Didn't know about the radio, didn't know about message boards, didn't know about, he had
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no clue.
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Yeah, I know.
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Nope.
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The web is far more tangled than, uh, one could imagine.
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In the 1500s.
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I was trying to find a word I could mispronounce, and I just didn't find one, and that was
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disappointing.
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What you couldn't miss, I imagine.
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Yeah.
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So I don't give a fuck about listening to Alex playing that caller cause he fairly accurately
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describes what she said in that clip, and that he just, he doesn't really have much
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analysis other than this lady's nuts and she's wrong.
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And I know the truth.
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I know like my version of stuff is the right version.
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And so it's just, it's pointless for us to really talk about past that and there's bigger
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fish to fry on this episode.
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You're lying bad.
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That's his argument.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You're lying too far.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The back room of Bank of America and these, uh, these, uh, these disease silos or whatever.
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It's a bridge too far, lady.
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Also, lady, also lady, you know, you didn't mean from Spain.
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No.
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You know, you didn't mean from Spain.
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Nope.
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You know, when you said Spanish, you didn't mean a Spanish man.
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No, sir.
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Um, so like I said, there's bigger fish to fry.
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Um, and before we get to those big fish, we need to know, we need to know one thing and
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something that I don't know.
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I don't know if we agree with this statement.
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I don't know if we have ever considered things this way, but Alex is about to tell us why
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he's successful.
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You know, you know why I'm successful in reaching people on this radio show.
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My hyperventilating isn't the reason I'm successful.
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My free cows aren't the reason I'm successful.
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No, it's because we at least cover what can be proven.
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Bullshit.
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That is a fucking statement.
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Yeah, it is.
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Wow.
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We only focus on what can be proven.
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That's, that's unfair.
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That's unfair to say that that that is rude, but that is a mean spirited thing to say,
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especially so strident and forceful with it.
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Like you can't be that convinced of the thing, you know, you're not doing.
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Yeah, it is weird.
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And especially where this episode is going to go, like he just reports on tons of stuff
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he can't prove.
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Uh, and they're kind of big things.
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Like we, this episode is going to end up being like, uh, there's, there's big way points
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from Alex Jones, his entire career that are established on this episode.
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Um, and in this next clip, he brings up one of them.
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He can't prove anything he's saying about this.
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Last night I got home and saw Kurt had posted an article just minutes before saying, purported
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Homeland security document says gun owners are terrorists.
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So I just went and read the document in about 20 minutes.
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It's uh, I don't know, 10, 15 pages long.
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And I was sure it was real because I've seen the exact same font, the exact same paragraphs
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in other reports going back over the years, I knew that the font, you know, the nomenclature,
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the font, the way it was written, the latest info, the control numbers matched other series
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of federal control numbers I've seen on documents, but I went ahead and tested the emails.
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I went ahead and called, uh, the FBI phone number.
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I went ahead and called the infrastructure protection fusion center numbers on it and
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talked to the watch captains and confirmed that it was their document.
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They were very upset that I had it and were asking me to tell them who gave it to me.
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And I explained, uh, no, this has been posted on the big libertarian sites that had just
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broken the last 12 hours.
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And we learned of it with the classic tickets being sent to us saying, why are you covering
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this up?
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Uh, cause we weren't aware of it, please folks, it's kind of, it's a little insulting.
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We're not, I think people think I'm like Superman or something.
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So two narratives on this show, both of them have been the result of people bullying him
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into covering these things, which isn't good.
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That doesn't seem like a good way to go about things.
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Um, so there's a DHS department of Homeland security document, uh, that Alex is reporting
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on and he's gone and he's checked in with all these, these folks and he's proven that
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it's real.
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Um, uh, listen to this next clip and then I'll address that.
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Uh, so I called the FBI, I called the other phone numbers confirmed.
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Yes.
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This is a federal report.
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Just like we called the Myak office in Missouri and talked to them and they said, yeah, that's
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our report, but we're not going to comment on it.
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Are you noticing anything that seems really strange about the way he's speaking?
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Um, I would say I don't understand what the infrastructure fusion thing was about.
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That's just word salad that he's using.
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Yeah.
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I would like to know more about that department of the government.
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Well, here's the thing.
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Alex keeps claiming that he called the FBI about this DHS document, which makes no sense.
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The FBI exists within the department of justice, which is a separate government body from the
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department of Homeland security.
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Beyond the fact that the FBI and the DHS aren't the same thing, this document doesn't actually
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have phone numbers on it.
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There are contact emails listed, but they're all dhs.gov email addresses, not FBI email
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addresses.
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The FBI doesn't factor into this at all.
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The only place the FBI comes up is in a footnote that says that people should report potential
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terrorist activity to the DHS or FBI and says that FBI phone numbers can be found on the
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FBI's website.
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So Alex is clearly just making shit up.
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He might've emailed those, those numbers or those, uh, those addresses.
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That's entirely possible.
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Um, but, uh, he could not have called the FBI from this document or anything actually
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just to correct myself a little bit.
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Uh, there are, um, there are some numbers for the DHS in that footnote about a call
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them if there's potential terrorist activity and stuff like that.
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So there are those phone numbers, but what the port, the point was more that I'm making
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is that Alex is saying he called the FBI and that's absurd for a myriad number of reasons.
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Quite a few.
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Yeah.
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I wonder if you could, uh, like Google Hangouts with the DHS through those email addresses,
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you know, you get, you know, they used to be able to video chat and Google Hangouts.
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I bet that that's a form of calling.
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Maybe each one of those email addresses actually has its own in 2009.
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I don't know.
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In 2009.
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Yeah, probably not.
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So you might be asking yourself, all right, Alex has confirmed by calling the FBI that
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this DHS document is real.
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Whatever.
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Hey FBI, you guys know this document is real.
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Yeah, sure.
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Alex, go the fuck away.
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But you're probably not clear at this point what the document even is.
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What is it about?
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It says people in terms of the second amendment, the most frightening, the most out of control
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is this a secret for official use only department of Homeland Security document put out April
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7th.
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So put out last week and I have confirmed its authenticity and uh, it says gun owners
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are terrorists period, period.
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So this is just off the charts.
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Hardcore sure.
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Off the charts.
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Long pause.
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Hardcore.
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So gun owners are terrible.
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What do you know?
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Alex Jones' editorial line is backed up by this secret document that's been released.
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Yes.
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Isn't that amazing?
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Every single thing he finds seems to be evidence that the government thinks all people with
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guns are terrorists.
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It's strange.
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It either means that they do or he can't read.
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Spoiler alert.
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It's the second one.
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So we just heard that he knows how to read.
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It turns out he is not a reliable source.
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Oh, that's disappointing.
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Yeah.
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So he can't read the book about how he can't read that I have written.
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Right.
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Um, so in this next clip, and it's an audio book, in this next clip, he talks a little
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bit more about this, uh, report and, uh, how, uh, full of shit he is.
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Again ladies and gentlemen, American gun owners buying guns, buying ammo, you are a terrorist.
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You are the number one threat to the federal government and police.
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That's what document number one, a dash oh two five seven dash oh nine nine nine four
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four six four nine dash oh two five seven dash oh nine.
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And you can call the FBI up right now and they'll tell you it's their document.
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It's not their document.
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Why would you call the FBI?
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It's the DHS.
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So look, this document that Alex is touting is yet another in a long line of my AC reports
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is called the right wing, uh, right wing extremism, current economic and political climate fueling
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resurgence and radicalization and recruitment.
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And it's not a classified document or anything like that.
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It's definitely a real document and it's marked as for official use only, which is a designation
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that's applied to documents that the relevant departments of government have a reasonable
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expectation would cause harm to an ongoing effort should the information be made public.
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You could think of it as something akin to like an interdepartmental equivalent of like
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attorney client privilege, that sort of thing.
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So this document is an even thinner soup than Alex's take on the my AC report, but it's
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a soup made of the same ingredients.
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In both cases, Alex is misreading a document that's meant to describe legitimately dangerous
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militia and extremist activities.
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And because a lot of it is stuff he's pretty into a lot of those descriptions, he gets
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defensive and screams about how the document is secretly about him.
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It's not, there's nothing in this document to suggest that the authors of this report
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saw gun-owning Americans as their main enemy for fuck's sake, on page seven of the report,
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it literally says, quote, both right-wing extremists and law abiding citizens share
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a belief that rising crime rates attributed to a slumping economy make the purchase of
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legitimate firearms a wise move at this time.
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That's a weird thing for people looking to demonize gun ownership to say.
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Legitimate firearms, law abiding citizens.
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That's not what gun demonizers would say.
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And mysteriously, that passage is absent from all reporting that Alex Jones has done.
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Oh, really?
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, okay.
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So the strongest statement the document makes about guns is this.
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And I think it's a measured and reasonable statement.
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Quote, weapons rights and gun control legislation are likely to be hotly contested subjects
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of political debate in light of the 2008 Supreme Court decision and DC versus Heller, in which
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the court reaffirmed an individual's right to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment
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to the US Constitution, but left open the debate, the precise contours of that right.
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Because debates over constitutional rights are intense, and parties on all sides have
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deeply held sincere but vastly divergent beliefs, violent extremists may attempt to co-opt the
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debate and use the controversy as a radicalization tool.
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That is very correct.
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Not to editorialize on my own, but this report also could have been called, I think a good
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name for it would have been, there's a black president, these shits are going crazy.
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Let's keep an eye on it.
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Everybody's buying guns because everybody's going crazy.
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But there's a piece of that in terms of the like Obama fueling this stuff in the report.
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Absolutely.
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That is a piece of it.
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And there's a lot of heavy overlap with Alex's worldview and what this document describes
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as the ideology that motivates right-wing extremists.
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But it's important to point out that this does not mean in any way that they're implying
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that Alex or anyone who shares that worldview are terrorists or even extremists.
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I would put it to you this way, I believe strongly in animal rights, which is a position
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that I share with groups like the Animal Liberation Front.
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If I were to read a DHS report about how extremists for animal rights believe that animals shouldn't
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be tested on, I wouldn't think that applied to me just because I agree that animals shouldn't
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be tested on.
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This is very elementary stuff and the idea that Alex seems not to get it could be seen
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as proof that he's dumb as a rock, but he's not.
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It's very clear that he's intentionally misusing this report like he did with the Mayak report
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to create the image of a repressive government that's going to turn on the noble white gun-owning
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Christians anytime now.
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He's doing this because he needs to create an enemy and he needs to do that to help him
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recruit, which is ironically a large part of what this report is about.
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Radicalizing people?
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Mm-hmm.
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Using the threat of the government taking away your guns as an avenue to radicalize
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people.
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And recruit people.
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To become violent extremists.
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Well, not necessarily in the case of Alex like recruiting them to be violent extremists,
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but recruiting them nonetheless into the info warrior fold where maybe you're not violent,
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but you just give Alex money.
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So I mean, it is the same system.
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Like this report is... about Alex.
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Well, it's not about him because here's the deal.
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But that's...
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Okay, go for it.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
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The only way Alex appears guilty of anything in this report is based on his response to
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it.
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Sure, the document says that right-wing extremists are using fears of illegal immigration to
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recruit and radicalize new members, but it also goes on to specify that they're talking
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about things like how, quote, in April 2007, six militia members were arrested for various
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weapons and explosive violations.
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One open source reporting alleged that those arrested had discussed and conducted surveillance
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for a machine gun attack on Hispanics.
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Sure, the report says that fears about the election of the first African-American president
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were being used by extremists.
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But it then says that it's talking about things like how, quote, in two instances in the run-up
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to the election, extremists appeared to be in the early planning stages of some threatening
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activity targeting the Democratic nominee, but law enforcement interceded.
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You can be a racist, gun-loving, New World Order-fearing Christian identitarian all you
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want, and the Department of Homeland Security is not going to give a fuck about you.
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They start caring when you start committing and planning terrorist attacks, and that's
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what this report is about.
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And since Alex isn't doing that, he shouldn't take it personally.
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The fact that he does take it so personally and seeks to create so much drama about this
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kind of leaves me with a sense that he identifies with and supports the goals of terrorists
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that this report is actually about.
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I am very glad I did not interrupt you, because I was about to say that I feel like one of
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the big reasons that he's taking it so personally is because he feels like they are talking
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about him and his ilk.
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It kind of betrays...
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As opposed to just a regular, gun-owning American.
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Right, we keep going back to this, like, in terms of every time he has one of these new
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documents that proves all of his bullshit about how the government's trying to stop
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anyone who has a right-leaning opinion or whatever.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Every single time, we just get more and more indications that it's about you, Alex, and
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because of your response, you're clearly indicating that you identify with these...
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It's very clear.
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If you read the document, it's not about a blowhard on a radio show.
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It's not about Johnny-come-lately who's got a gun.
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They don't give a fuck.
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They don't care.
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It's about militia members, of which, Alex, you kind of act like you want to be one.
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They don't even care about militia members.
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They care about militia members that plan violent attacks.
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It's clear.
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It is very, very clear.
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The report is specifically about people who plan violence, and if you don't plan violence
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and you're not in some kind of, you know, violent group, then, you know, you shouldn't
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be...
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Offended?
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Yeah.
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In fact, I think you have a greater impetus to support this report, because you don't
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want those violent people cluttering up your movement.
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Fucking up your deal.
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Exactly.
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Those violent people are involved in the same...
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Like, if you legitimately believe all of the things that those militias believe, but you
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don't want to believe armed rebellion against the United States, their existence kind of
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hurts you.
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You would think.
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Yeah.
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You would think.
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When was the...
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What Supreme Court case was it where they used the Second Amendment to protect their
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right to plan violence?
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That's just free speech, Dan.
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That was DC versus Heller 2, the sequel.
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Love that.
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Too fast to Heller.
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Too fast to Heller, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So Alex jumps off this topic for now, but I assure you, he will get back to it.
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But he gets distracted.
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And in this next clip, he describes what the globalists want, like the ideal situation
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that they're working towards.
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If you listen to this, I think you'll see some familiarities.
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You understand what they're setting up here?
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Where there'll be highly controlled government and private corporate reservations, there'll
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be high technology zones, there'll be technological, there already are technological spheres.
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They're called cities.
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That are on pedestals, protected under the shroud of national security, outside will
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be the highly controlled, compact city slave grids and the rich living in the private manors
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and plantation-type situations outside the megacities.
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And this is all stated by them.
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You want them...
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People keep saying, oh, Alex, they totally had a world government, a new world order,
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this would have already happened and you wouldn't be on air.
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That's right.
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They don't have it yet.
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They're very close to completing it.
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They're very close.
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How close?
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They're very close.
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Be afraid, but they're not there yet.
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It's that balance that always strikes.
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Also, what I would say is that like, okay, if you're talking, are you just trying to
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describe gated communities?
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Is that what he's doing?
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I think so.
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I don't think that what he's describing is anything different than the situation that's
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been going on for a bit now.
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The rich living in cloistered, isolated, nice manors, and then everybody else struggling
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to survive.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
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It's really tough to hear that and not think that he's kind of talking about the real world,
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but just through such a like a...
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Distorted and twisted lens.
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Yeah, like a crazy house mirror, fun house mirror.
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Well, and we go back to the same thing where he's talking about something real that is
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a huge problem, and yet he is defending the people who have created that problem as being
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perfect capitalists.
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Well, they're the middle class compared to the globalists.
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Okay, fair enough.
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That's kind of how he looks at it.
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Yeah, that's true.
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So in this next clip, Alex has seen a documentary on his two days off and this made me laugh
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so fucking hard.
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It wasn't square?
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It wasn't.
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Also, I saw this crazy documentary this weekend, The King of America, about the Reverend Moon.
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I mean, I knew that guy was whacked out, but this thing is just crazy.
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Alex has seen a documentary about Reverend Sun Yung Moon and he is like, that guy is
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crazy.
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At no point does Alex recognize that one of his biggest sources of information is the
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Washington fucking Times that is owned by the Moonies.
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So hilarious.
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That's ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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I was hoping he was referencing a documentary about the guy from San Francisco a hundred
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years ago who became a king, who declared himself the King of America.
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He's also not talking about the gentleman in Columbia, Missouri when I was growing up.
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That's right.
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We talked about that guy.
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Yeah, there was a dude who kept getting taken to the outskirts of town by the police and
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left there because he wouldn't stop bothering people downtown wearing a Burger King crown,
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declaring himself the King of Columbia.
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He is the King of Columbia though.
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Yeah, I recognize him as such.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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If we need to have a coup of Columbia.
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Look, if we're going to talk about sovereign nations, it doesn't get more sovereign than
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a Burger King crown.
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Undoubtedly.
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Yeah.
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So I just think that's fucking hilarious that Alex can see that Sun Yung Moon is crazy,
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but can't recognize that he gets a lot of his information from his cult.
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So we've been looking at the tea party stuff in the course of 2009.
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I completely forgot we were looking at tea party stuff.
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We got bogged down in Somali pirates.
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I forgot about the tea party entirely.
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Well, and honestly, I think that question's kind of been answered.
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And actually I think that there's something to be said for, we might be about done with
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the main questions of 2009.
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I still think that there's a lot of interesting stuff going on.
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We see these like real formative blocks here.
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Like this DHS report is really important.
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The Mayak report is really important.
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The bird flu narrative is really important to Alex's, like what he builds to from here.
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So I think there's value in seeing these things, but like we set out to figure out when he
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started talking about George Soros.
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We found that April 8th, 2009 episode.
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And then I think it's going to be a while until he gets back to it.
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I think that was a one-off.
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I don't think that...
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You think so?
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Yeah.
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I don't, from the episodes that I've listened to after it, I don't think, like he was in
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a mood that day or something like that.
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I don't know exactly what was going on, but I feel kind of resolved about like when it
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started, when it flared up.
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And then secondarily, the other question was, you know, when did he get on board with the
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Tea Party?
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And I think based on the fact that we've seen these interviews with Stuart Rhodes, the Oath
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Keepers guy, the I hate Glenn Beck stuff, I think we're starting to see exactly what
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happened there.
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I don't think it's a mystery.
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He decided that there's large groups of people who are close enough to his beliefs.
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Yep.
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Let's go fuck with them.
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Let's try it out.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think that those main questions are kind of answered.
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I believe I do remember this, reading this new story on April 8th, 2009 at around 8 a.m.
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George Soros did cut off Alex in traffic and that makes all the sense.
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Totally.
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Yeah.
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I missed that story.
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I don't read judge.
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He was driving his truck.
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Yeah.
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Soros!
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So when I say that I think that we kind of have answered the question about the Tea Party,
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it also involves the clips that we're about to hear because I think this kind of made
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my mind up.
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Yeah.
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I think I figured, this is what's going on.
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So he gets a call from a guy who is in San Antonio and he's got some news about the San
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Antonio Tea Party that's coming up.
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Matthew in Texas, you're on the air.
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Welcome.
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Hey, God bless you Alex, this is Matthew from San Antonio Change reporting in on a pre-Tea
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Party update.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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What we're doing with here is the San Antonio Tea Party is basically saying they don't want
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any bullhorns because they don't want Alex Jones here.
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And they said, one of our guys has infiltrated their group and he's basically getting intel
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for us.
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And he said, yeah, they don't want any bullhorns because they're troublemakers, so anybody
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with a bullhorn is a troublemaker.
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And we've got another guy who's actually volunteered.
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Sounds like they should be working for the Redcoats.
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I mean, there's not need, ninnying, there's no freedom, we'll just have your own Tea Party.
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But no, that's why Fox News and Glenn Beck are trying to take over the Tea Parties.
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Fox News and Glenn Beck are trying to take over the Tea Parties.
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Alex Jones is now taking ownership in retrospect of the Tea Parties.
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That's what he's already doing here in April 2009.
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Which also Fox News and Glenn Beck created the Tea Parties.
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They're not trying to take them over.
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Yeah, yeah.
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The Koch brothers paid for the Tea Parties.
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Right.
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They literally owned the Tea Parties.
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Well, and after this next clip, I have another thing to say about that.
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Look, the wicked fleeth when none pursue it.
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And so, yeah, you guys have folks inside the Tea Parties and they don't want Alex Jones.
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Notice how they're co-opting the Ron Paul in the Fed movement.
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Notice how they're trying to take over what we're doing.
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It's disgusting.
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The Republican, fake Republicans, show up at our movement and then tell us we're not
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welcome.
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Don't you love it?
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You gotta love it.
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So the issue is that, you know, the Tea Party was largely astroturfed and funded by the
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Koch brothers through FreedomWorks.
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And that's who was paying Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity at that time.
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Or at least were giving them tons of money.
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FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity split.
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They came from a split in the group Citizens for a Sound Economy.
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That group, their first chairman was Ron Paul.
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It was funded by the Koch brothers.
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Citizens for a Sound Economy had registered a Tea Party website in 2002.
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They had already had some sort of plans of trying to do something like this before, but
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the climate wasn't right.
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There wasn't the ability to make these things stick and make it a real, quote unquote, movement.
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There is no reason to believe that the idea that Ron Paul is behind the real Tea Party
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and Glenn Beck and his Koch funding through FreedomWorks is behind the real...
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Those aren't contradictory.
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They're the same.
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Yeah.
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They're exactly the same.
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This is the left and the right hand, basically.
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But I don't think Alex understands that.
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Probably not.
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It's interesting to see, because I...
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I'm interested to know if he understands...
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I think it is all pettiness.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's kind of what I would be interested in finding out if he actually knows that it
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is the Koch brothers funding the entire thing, or if he thinks it is an organic movement.
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I find this fascinating because, I mean, what you've got is a movement that Alex thinks
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is being taken over by Glenn Beck and the like, not recognizing that they're really
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behind it.
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Alex wants to take ownership of it, so he's predating his check.
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He's backdating his check to make it look like he bought this before.
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When we've been going over this from the beginning, what was it?
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The first Tea Party was on the 27th of February, and we've been going over it since then.
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When that happened, and in the immediate aftermath of it, Alex had no idea what it was.
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You know who did back then?
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The goddamn Koch brothers knew what it was.
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So I don't know.
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I don't know what this means other than there's no mystery to me anymore.
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Alex just believes he's the true version of it and always has, and he's mad at Glenn Beck
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because he thinks he's co-opting it.
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That's about it.
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There's no mystery left in the Tea Party.
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I think my favorite part of those clips is when the dude from San Antonio just opens
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out with, I'm here to give you an update on the San Antonio Tea Party.
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And he's like, okay, dude, I didn't ask for updates on shit.
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Why are you giving me an update?
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I didn't get the first date, let alone the, I don't care.
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Are you an old keeper?
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Yeah, exactly.
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Get to stepping.
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Exactly.
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And I like to get the dude, the caller is like, we've infiltrated it.
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What do you mean?
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You went to a meeting?
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Yeah, I know.
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What do you mean you infiltrated it?
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You went to the cover at the San Antonio Tea Party.
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It was hard to pull off because they were all black.
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No.
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It was tough to blend in with all the Confederate flag t-shirts.
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Yeah.
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I mean, whatever, who gives a shit?
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Yep.
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So Alex has a lot of complaints about Glenn Beck.
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He thinks that he's stealing his movement, Alex's goddamn movement, but that's not his
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only complaint.
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He also thinks that Glenn Beck is gay.
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Whoa.
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Can you imagine Glenn Beck, that ninny, I mean, he's a ninny.
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He sits up there and ninny's and does all these effeminate gestures and I mean, I feel
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like I'm, well, you know what I feel like, I mean, it's just nothing, you know, against
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men that are effeminate.
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It's just that...
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You're about to say something against them.
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I mean, he fits the effeminate scammer archetype for me.
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What?
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Which one is that?
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You know, that...
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Classic archetype.
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Really?
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I call it fake ninny charm.
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Ever run into folks in business and life and once you get enough live experience, you learn
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people with a fake ninny charm that these are people to watch.
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These are people that will stab you in the back in five seconds.
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And he is off the charts with the fake ninny charm.
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You gotta define ninny, man.
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You really gotta stop saying fake ninny charm either like it means something.
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What does that even mean?
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Fake ninny charm?
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I think that Alex thinks that he's not sincere.
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That's part of it.
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Okay.
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And then the other part is he's threatened by his effeminateness because it's not masculine
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enough for him and he labels that as being gay.
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That's...
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Yeah.
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When you say ninny, that many times?
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That many times.
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That many times, you know what you're trying to say but you don't want to say.
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Exactly.
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And so in this next clip, Alex, he makes clear that if you are going to the tea party and
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you support Glenn Beck.
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You're a fake ninny.
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No.
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It's the equivalent of getting your balls chopped off.
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Okay.
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You know, I'm tempted now to saddle up and go down there myself because, you know, this
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is in Texas where Texas ancestors fought and died against tyranny and they're going to
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be sliming around in front of the Alamo telling people what they can and can't say.
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They were invading.
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Colonel William Travis, what he could and couldn't say, he'd say, shut up, tyrant.
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I mean, you know, this is where they castrate people.
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So if you're part of this event on Glenn Beck's side, you're just there to have your testicles
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chopped off.
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I think I know what William Travis would have said.
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That's probably a big part of his quote.
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He was a big old drunk.
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Second thing he would say is don't tell my wife where I am.
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I left her with our newborn second child because I was wanted by the police and didn't want
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to go to prison, ended up running a militia at the Alamo.
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That was a huge asshole.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You nailed it.
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That's part of his quote.
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He was also the man to invent brown bagging.
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It's true.
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Yep.
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Little known fact.
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So if you support Glenn Beck, who is a ninny, and you go to this event, you're going to
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get your balls chopped off or it's the spiritual equivalent of getting your balls chopped off.
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Whatever that is.
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So many masculinity issues here.
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Yeah.
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Not news.
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Yeah, so this is the last clip about the Tea Party and I just think like I'm putting this
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to bed in terms of questions I'm interested in.
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I think it is just a matter of thinking Glenn Beck stole his shit and wanting it back and
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then being the more extreme version of it by virtue of association more with the Oath
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Keepers than the Tea Party 912 middle of the road stuff.
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Right.
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And you can hear it here.
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Put that San Antonio Tea Party website back up.
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They've been going to these meetings, you know, it's Ron Paul, Griggs that started the
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Tea Parties.
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It's Gary Frangie and others that started the End of Fed protest.
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It's our movement against the private bankers that are looting and raping us, which is very
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popular right now.
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The people know it's the truth.
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We're the good guys.
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We're the good guys.
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They're the bad guys.
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So that's it.
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That's it.
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I mean, I think it was on one of our recent episodes, you're like, it's going to be such
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a bummer if the answer to this is team sports.
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It wasn't about the Tea Party, but turns out in terms of the Tea Party, it's team sports.
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It was the is the Oath Keepers bullshit was that organic or were they also funneled money?
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I'm sure they got some funding, but I don't I don't know enough.
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I can't speak on that.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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That's something worth looking into.
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But there's an outside chance that Stuart Rhodes is just a pretty radical dude and started
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this thing that ended up catching momentum through being on Alex's show as the alternative,
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the more militant alternative to the Tea Party and that also being accepted by the normal
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Tea Party.
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So I think there's a possibility that he served as like a middle ground.
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And that led to a ton of like a swelling of membership roles.
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And then along with that financing, I have no idea.
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I don't know entirely, but I wouldn't I wouldn't bet it was entirely organic.
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Yeah, that's probably true.
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But it's beginning.
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Yeah.
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It seems far more organic in beginning than the Tea Party.
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Absolutely.
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Like it was it does seem like the Tea Party was fully financed.
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Well, the Tea Party didn't start with Tea Party dot blogspot dot.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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You know, like that sort of thing is a kind of an indication of like this guy didn't want
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to buy a domain name.
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Right.
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Which, you know, the only reason you wouldn't do that is if you couldn't.
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Yeah.
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Or you just didn't want to you know, you didn't have the cash to throw into it.
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Yeah.
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Well, at this point, Alex jumps back to the DHS report.
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But before he does, actually, he has Naomi Wolf on for an interview, which is strange
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considering she's a Democratic strategist and advisor.
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I expected that to be like a pretty contentious.
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Yeah, that's what I expected.
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But Alex's phone system keeps not working.
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And so she's like in the middle of a sentence and the phone just drops out.
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And Alex is like, guys, guys, what's going on?
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Her phone cut out.
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And so they get her back on the phone and then she's like, hey, Alex, I can't hear you
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at all.
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You could hear her saying that.
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It's like, I'm really sorry.
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I can't hear you there.
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And so clearly something's wrong with Alex's phones.
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It just doesn't work.
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And so the interview ends with nothing happening.
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They didn't.
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Did they even have like, how much talking did they actually do?
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Alex talked for a bit.
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She talked for like a minute, maybe.
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And that was it.
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And it was more friendly than you'd expect, possibly.
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And a little bit of that is because a lot of the positions she was bringing to the table
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were stuff that were critical of Obama in terms of not, at this point in April 2009,
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you know, he'd been in office a month or two and she had some of the similar complaints
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that Alex did, but more grounded in terms of him not getting rid of spying, that sort
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of thing.
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So she's coming from the center left position, I guess, making those criticisms.
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I think it could have been an interesting conversation.
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I'm actually kind of disappointed it didn't happen because it would be interesting to
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see how that dynamic played out.
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But we could just get a fucking broken phone.
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Yeah, that is kind of a, well, it's one of the, it's like a similar conversation to what
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I would have with, I would imagine my family in that they're like, I'm criticizing Obama
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for fake things.
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And I'm like, we're not fighting.
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I'm just criticizing him for real things.
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Our disagreement comes not from whether or not he is deserving of criticism, but that
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your criticism is insane.
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Or even, I don't know if your family would be on this side, but I think a sharper point
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to it of what this would be, I think, is making the same criticisms, but one side is making
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it as a legitimate criticism, and then the other side is exploiting and using that basis
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of a legitimate criticism to extrapolate into irresponsible, ludicrous places.
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That's I kind of think that's what the dynamic would be, and I think it's really interesting
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because of the superficial agreement that they would have probably had to see if she
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would have been able to pierce through like, oh, Alex, no, no, no, no, hold on.
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I'm not sure because the fucking phone broke, so I got nothing out of this.
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Because the reality of a conversation with my family would be they're arguing ridiculous
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shit in good faith because they believe it because they're the recipients of the bad
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faith criticisms that they are, yeah, bingo.
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That makes more sense.
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Yeah, it's the difference between arguing ludicrous things in good faith versus arguing
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decent things in bad faith.
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Exactly.
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I don't know.
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Anyway, we'll never know.
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Maybe until she comes back a week from now.
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I don't know.
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Maybe she will.
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Maybe she will.
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But Alex gets back to this DHS document, and it's interesting to hear him try and discuss
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this because he's just lying about everything, like legitimately, even lying about what's
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in the text.
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His first volley is about racism.
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This is Section U, key findings, the economic downturn in the election of the first African
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American president, present unique drivers for right wing radicalization and recruitment
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so they imply everybody's racist.
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They're not implying everybody's racist.
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That's not what that sentence means at all.
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Nope.
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Also, I mean, that's just that's on its face.
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You can understand that.
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At the beginning of that clip, he said this is in Section U.
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Every paragraph starts with U dash dash F O U O.
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That's the designation of it.
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F O U O means for official use only.
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U means unclassified.
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The fact that he's saying this is in Section U and doesn't understand that the U before
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the paragraph means unclassified and doesn't realize that all the paragraphs start with
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U, it leads me to believe that he doesn't have as much experience reading documents
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as he claims to.
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The fact that he says I can read this, I can I can I can look I spend all my time the last
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20 years reading these secret official documents.
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And I'm so good at it that I understand what they're saying when it's not literally what
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they're saying.
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I can read between the lines.
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You don't even know what the U means, man.
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This is pathetic.
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Yeah.
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That's not good.
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No, that's when I heard that.
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I was like, oh, oh, Alex, Section U. Technically, he is right, because they are all Section
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U.
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Right.
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But he's trying to say this is the part of the document.
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It's yeah.
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That doesn't help you with that at all.
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No.
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Crazy, crazy.
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And I don't have experience reading like secret government documents.
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I don't.
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I can't trust you.
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I just was like, if you did have experience reading secret government documents, you wouldn't
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you wouldn't be able to tell me.
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I believe that you do have experience reading secret government documents.
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I believe this is an entirely controlled opposition situation.
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You are funded fully by the government.
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This is all a wish.
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This is all a weak facade.
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It's like a recording out in your apartment.
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Right.
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You could walk out of here and go into your fully furnished mansion, which is how the
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government works, I guess.
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I don't actually live here.
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That's why you see this bag of chips sitting on my desk, clearly from eating chips earlier.
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You have a calendar on your wall that says February twenty seventeen.
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What else could that mean?
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But that you're a secret government operative.
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You haven't lived real for two years.
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Could mean that wall calendars are ineffective.
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That's a possibility.
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Could mean in February twenty seventeen, I had aspirations of organization and they have
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since lapsed.
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Look, dude, that's big to me.
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That's big because it is an indication of him not having the bona fides that he pretends
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to have.
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Yeah.
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Because up to this point, I would have been willing to believe that he'd read a bunch
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of like unclassified declassified documents and stuff like that.
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Like I bet he didn't understand what he was reading or he was just making up stuff about
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them as he read them.
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Something like that.
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But the fact that he reads this document and he's like in Section U, like that's beyond
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the pale to me.
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That's where anybody who's listening who actually does understand any of this stuff should also
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be like, oh, no, Alex, you just gave it up.
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You just indicated that you don't know what you're talking about.
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So that makes it hard for me to believe that governments listen.
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It also makes it hard for me to believe that anybody who is in the military or anything
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like that or in intelligence.
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Anybody who is in those fields and isn't motivated to support Alex based on his bigotry.
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Yeah.
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I don't understand.
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They can't think he's a credible source in terms of like facts, information analysis.
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But there are government documents with Section U's.
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Sections U, if you will.
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I would invite you to read this document.
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Every single paragraph starts with U.
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I'm not saying this document in particular.
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But if you had not read this document in particular, you would be fine with him saying Section
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U.
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No, I wouldn't.
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Oh, OK.
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I wouldn't.
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Fine.
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Is that because you have a lot of experience reading secret government documents?
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I've experienced.
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I just caught you.
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I've experienced.
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I just trapped you.
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I've experienced reading this one.
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It.
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No, it doesn't work.
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It wouldn't work.
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I understand what you're saying, and it's a nice way to try and let him off the hook.
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It's inexcusable.
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I'm not letting him off the hook.
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I'm letting his listeners who haven't read this particular document before.
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I think it's just an indication that anyone who believes that he knows what he's talking
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about, they don't know what he's talking about or they don't know what they think he's talking
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about.
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Yeah, that I agree with.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex talks about the idea of recruitment, and he misuses the DHS
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document again.
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It says right wing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first American American
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president and are focusing their efforts on to recruit new members, mobilize existing
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supporters.
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Well, yeah, you're supposed to do that in America and mobilize against tyranny and broaden
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their scope and appeal through propaganda.
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But they have not yet turned to their attack plan.
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Then they go into listing mainline gun groups.
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We haven't yet turned to the attack plan.
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Real quick.
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It doesn't list mainline gun groups.
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It doesn't list groups at all.
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Alex is just making that up.
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That's not in the document.
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It doesn't list any mainline.
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No, no, no, it doesn't.
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Does it list any, especially not after that paragraph, any gun groups or anything?
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I don't know what you would call, like, I don't think by name, I don't remember anything
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by name in the group, but it talks about like these people, this group of six people.
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Like we, I read earlier that this group of six people bought a bunch of weapons to machine
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gun down Hispanic people like that group is listed.
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That's a group of people, right?
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It would concern me if Alex considered that a mainline gun group.
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It's entirely, I mean, it, but based on the fact that he's saying that and hasn't read
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the document because he hasn't read the document, it sort of leads you to believe that that's
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the point he's making, which is fucking shitty.
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And then secondarily, this is a document about violent extremists, not middle of the road
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people who like guns and are conservatives.
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That is not what this is interested in at all.
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The fact that Alex Jones is responding to this, like saying these violent groups are
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using the first African American president existing as a source of radicalization and
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recruitment.
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And he says, that's what you're supposed to do.
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You're supposed to recruit.
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Right, right, right.
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In America.
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Like, uh, Alex.
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You're supposed to mobilize is also what he said, which is, which is like, I also, it's
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a little bit disappointing the DHS doesn't actually do the research into the tea party
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and these movements and like these propagandists are using a president yet at this point.
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Right.
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That's fair.
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But when they say like these propagandists are using a black president to recruit and
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do all that stuff, you, you'd almost hope they were like, and these propagandists are
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paid by the Koch brothers.
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You know, like the Koch brothers are the reason that these propagandists do all this shit.
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Like if the DHS, but then again, you're right, absolutely none of the law enforcement groups
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are at all willing to point to so much of this being the result of those two fucking
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billionaires.
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And other people too.
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It's not just them.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, no, no, no.
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You can't turn into a unipolar thing.
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There was a bunch of conservative, like just because they get, well, I mean, the Mercers
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of course, like there's an entire dark money network.
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Yeah.
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Oh, fuck Sheldon.
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There's a bunch of people and foundations and shit like that.
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Well, the fucking Ricketts, the fuck bags who own the Cubs.
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There's a ton of that stuff.
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And it becomes shorthand to say the Koch brothers sort of, and I think that's kind of wrong
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of us, but at the same time, they were the primary funders of Citizens for a Sound Economy
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that split into FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity, which were the biggest funders
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of people like Glenn Beck and help foster this movement.
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It's not to say that they were the only super rich right-wing people behind it.
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With the amount of dark money that they filter through all of these different nonprofits,
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which again, wow, we should really be, I don't know, laws.
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Can we have laws?
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That'd be nice.
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So Alex is lying there about the mainline gun groups.
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He's advocating for the thing that this report is warning about, possibly because he
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hasn't read it or possibly because he underlyingly does identify with and support these violent
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groups.
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I'm not entirely sure, but then he lies some more.
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The high volume of purchases, and this is the key, the high volume of purchases of stockpiling
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of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in
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some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern for law enforcement.
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Their primary concern is the fact that you're buying guns and ammo, and they say later that
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everybody buying guns and ammo is basically a terrorist.
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Their primary concern to law enforcement is that you're buying guns and ammo.
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That is not at all what the report says.
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It says the violent right-wing extremists are stockpiling guns.
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That part is absolutely true, and it says it is a primary concern, not the primary concern,
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and I would not like to live in a world where it wasn't a primary concern.
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The idea that people who do have really paranoid, violently anti-government beliefs, they're
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stockpiling weapons, guys, hey, look over there, I think that that's an important thing
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for people to know about, especially the people who are trying to keep other people safe.
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Did anybody send them a copy of HYDRA guns?
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Oh, no.
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That seems...
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Alex should have broken into a live read.
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That should be name-checked in that document.
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And then, at no point does it say that gun owners are terrorists, at no point does it
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say that buying a gun is bad or suspicious.
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I read that sentence or that paragraph where they're talking about how law-abiding citizens
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owning legitimate guns, that sort of thing, it's very clearly not anti-gun in this report.
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Alex is just completely lying.
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So then he lies some more.
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They say anti-government ideology is racist, nothing to do with it.
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They don't say that at all.
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That is not in there.
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No, but it does sound like Alex is responding to the fact that they say that the black president
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thing is used as a propaganda tool for people to recruit, as them specifically pointing
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out that he is afraid of a black president and is using him to recruit.
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And so he has to be like, no, they're calling me a racist.
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They're definitely not calling me an opportunist.
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Right, right.
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I mean, that's what goes back to my...
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And also I am a racist, so there's that.
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That's what goes back to my primary conviction, and that is that the only thing that is damning
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about this is Alex's response to it.
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The only way in which this report is about him is how he is behaving in response to it.
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He makes it about him by his response.
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It wouldn't be...
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If you saw this report and you're like, huh, yep, move along, that's the appropriate response.
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Or be like, hey guys, there are people within our communities that are giving us a bad name
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that we need to be on the lookout for, not saying be a snitch or anything like that,
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but hey, we need to do better within our communities, whatever, any of that stuff.
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That would be a fitting response, defending, deflecting, lying.
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He's lying about this report in order to suit his the government is your enemy rhetoric.
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That behavior is suspicious.
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It's pretty suspicious.
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Yeah, I would also probably put it under the category of protecting his buddies.
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Like that kind of thing.
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Yeah, I considered that as well.
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Of like, hey, why are they talking about Steve?
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He's a good buddy of mine.
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I think that there could be an element of that, whether it's a specific person or just
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spiritually.
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And then on the other hand, I think there's a piece of it that's also covering his own
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ass.
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I think there's a self-defense aspect of it where he's trying to make sure that he's never
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seen as advocating violence or something like that.
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I'm not sure.
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We are still fresh off the Pittsburgh thing.
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That's true.
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And the Pittsburgh thing is referenced in the report.
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But Alex doesn't bring that up on the show, though it is mentioned in an article that
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I read on Infowars.com.
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They talk about how this incident is in this report and people have tied Alex to this report
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ergo, this report is about Alex.
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But the report doesn't mention Alex.
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It doesn't mention any of that stuff.
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That's something that you have to bring to the report.
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You have to write that in with your reading.
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Right.
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And the problem with doing this serialized over, you know, we do a 2009 episode once
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a week like that kind of thing.
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It's easy to forget the context within which he is reacting so pedally to these like emails.
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You know, when he's reading that email and reacting so fucking what, like, you mean this
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report?
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No, no, the email, you know, or the people saying that he's not talking about Berkeley.
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Like this is all in the same context of him feeling super defensive about the Pittsburgh
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thing and people tying him to that.
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So I don't find it hard to imagine that he's on that red alert, like I got to be making
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sure that people don't think that I'm attached to whatever it is, whatever it is that you're
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thinking I'm attached to.
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I need to make sure that I'm taking them down.
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Yeah.
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You know, and controlling my own narrative.
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I think I think there's I think that's a piece of it, but probably a small piece of it.
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I think it's more the bulk of it is he knows that this is going to be a really effective
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way to demonize the government and make it look like they are coming for you and specifically
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coming for your guns, which works out to reinforce and bolster the other narratives that he puts
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out.
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I think that's mostly what it is.
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And I base some of that on this next clip.
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It goes on to say historical presidential election, social programs to minorities and
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firearms restrictions being the policies of Barack Obama is also they're saying we're
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coming out your guns and the terrorists don't want that.
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The terrorists are buying guns and ammo.
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It goes on to say, do you see that they're the way he twisted that?
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Yeah, that's that's indicative of I'm going to use this however I can.
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And specifically what he wants the idea to be, which is not most of the report, what
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he wants it to be is the idea that this is proof that they're coming for your guys.
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She doesn't say in there at all.
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Right.
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It's that clip is like it does not matter what the report had said.
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It doesn't matter the context because he hasn't read it.
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He thinks you as a paragraph.
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It doesn't matter.
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It doesn't matter.
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The report could have just mentioned Ron Paul as being like, we found a guy who said Ron
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Paul's name and he would have spun that.
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It could have been about fucking.
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We don't want to sell knives.
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And he would have been like this.
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See, this is the first step in them coming for your guns at Ron Paul.
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They think that it's Ron Paul and everybody who's a Ron Paul fan is going to buy knives
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and then buy guns and outlaw knives.
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Tomorrow it's gone.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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It doesn't matter what the report says.
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No, it doesn't.
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He's just going to use it as a prop.
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So here's the sad part.
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This DHS report was written by a guy named Darryl Johnson, who had previously spent 15
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years studying domestic terrorism.
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He compiled data, created new databases to track correlations and studied specific anti-Semitic
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neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups for years.
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God, I hear a hammer drop coming in 2009.
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He authored this report, and because of the backlash caused by people like Alex Jones,
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the DHS caved and ended up repudiating the report.
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In April 2010, the DHS dissolved Johnson's team, at which point he entered the security
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consultancy business.
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Unsurprisingly, as the threat of right-wing extremism has grown from 2012 onward, Johnson
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has constantly been a voice interviewed by places like Wired magazine to the Washington
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Post about how he tried to warn people, but the bureaucracy didn't listen.
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They were too focused on Islamic terrorism and too willing to bow down to coordinated
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right-wing media pressure to do their job.
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Not much else is there to say about this other than the exact behavior demonstrated by Alex
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in this episode is directly traceable to weakening the government's ability to deal with violent
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extremists because his feelings got hurt.
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That is all that's being manifested here.
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If you read interviews with Darryl Johnson, you can find a number of them.
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He talks about how back then there were so many more people studying and tracking Islamic
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terrorism, and he had a small team that was working on the non-Islamic domestic side of
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things.
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Then after this conflagration of this report that he put out, the backlash that came from
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it, you get to April 2010, his team gets dissolved, and now there's just one guy who's working
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for the DHS on that entire world of the non-Islamic right wing.
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Maybe since that interview, it's gone up a little bit, but I would be surprised if it
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has.
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Well, considering the fact that we've had an increase in domestic terrorism and hate
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crimes and all of that shit since 2016, it would be hard to imagine that they increased
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the size of the team in time.
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Maybe they did a week ago, but the people who run the DHS are the ones who are now kind
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of halfway promoting it.
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He talks about how all of these tools and things that he had come up with within the
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DHS for tracking and understanding, this sort of stuff, it's all been decimated.
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Yeah, we're all lit on fire.
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Yeah, basically all of these things that he had worked throughout his career to put into
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place have been just completely...
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Like the printer in office space.
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Yep, completely ineffective now.
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And actually, it's interesting, his interviews are super interesting because one of them
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was in 2012 and he was talking about a particular sort of right wing shooting spree and it was
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just a lone wolf shooter and that sort of stuff.
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And he's like, well, you know, the stuff...
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I told everyone that this is important and we need to pay attention to it, but even if
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nothing had changed, I don't think we could have done anything about this guy.
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Yeah.
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I mean, when I hear something like that from someone who studies this, I just hear expert.
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You know, I hear a sincere voice because someone who's trying to run a con or someone who has
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a bad faith positions, if they're being interviewed after the fact about how right they were and
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were shut down because they were right, they would lionize everything.
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They wouldn't have a response that was like, well, even in a perfect situation, if nothing
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happened to me, this guy probably would have slipped through the cracks because there's
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no way to track him.
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He's not attached to any X, Y, or Z group that we're following or anything like that.
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That's humility.
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That's humble.
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If it were Alex in that situation, giving an interview about how right he was in the
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past, he would have said, if they had implemented what I told him to, this guy would never have
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happened.
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Wouldn't matter if that was anywhere near true, but just by...
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But that's not just Alex.
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That's so many people and it doesn't matter.
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It's also people who are experts on fucking everything who would try and do that.
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Well, because it's very tempting to sort of over-promise in a hypothetical past.
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You know, you have like, if this had happened, like some sort of counterfactual track through
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time.
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Right.
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Yeah, of course you could say, if that had happened, I would have destroyed this.
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Exactly.
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But this guy resists that impulse because he knows what he's talking about.
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And yeah, I think Daryl Johnson's a real sad, I mean, not a sad person, but like the
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picture of it is real sad.
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And it's real fucked up to think about how much that really did end up causing crippling
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of tracking right-wing extremists and white nationalists, white supremacists, neo-Nazis
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and that sort of thing.
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And the fact that Alex Jones really was a part of the backlash that led to that, what
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he's doing is facilitating all of this right-wing terrorism that we've seen in the last years.
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It's really weird.
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It's hard to say if there's intention behind it, but I don't really care.
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I think something that is kind of fascinating about that is that Obama was at a disadvantage
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while trying to kind of tackle this stuff.
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He would appear so much worse than if it was a white president saying, we need to follow
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up on these people.
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It would have certainly got way more backlash.
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Because it's like, oh, look, see, it's a black president who's going after people like that.
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He's trying to kill Whitey.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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He's more at a disadvantage in trying to tackle right-wing white nationalist terrorism because
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he's black in the court of public opinion.
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And especially in the court of propaganda, right-wing propaganda, which has been a disaster.
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So that's all a bummer.
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But here in this next clip, Alex gets back to talking about Glenn Beck because a caller
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brought him up.
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Great.
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And Alex has an imagined conversation between the powers that be and Glenn Beck when he
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betrays the Patriots for 30 pieces of silver.
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Sir, sir, hold on, hold on, hold on.
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Sir, sir, sir, I mean, you brought up Glenn Beck.
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You know what?
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I just got a note about Beck since you brought him up because every time a listener reminds
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me of something, I remember that I'm not even attacking him with one-tenth of the truth.
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But you're absolutely right about Beck.
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I remember him saying Secret Service was protecting him.
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He hates no one like 9-11 truthers.
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He hates the victims' families.
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He hates the Patriot movement.
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He hates militias.
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He hates gun owners.
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And then the feds came to him and said, look, you really want to burn these people?
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We love you.
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You hate America?
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We love you, Beck.
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I mean, this is, you co-op them so we can destroy them.
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And Beck said, absolutely.
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Sorry, go ahead.
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Absolutely.
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These people came up and they're like, hey, you really hate these people?
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You got to come with us.
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We love you.
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That literally happened.
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Yeah.
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That literally happened.
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I was hoping that he would get another update on the San Antonio Tea Party.
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I was really hoping that that guy would call like five times in a row, just like, hey,
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just wanted to give you another update.
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The Tea Party is about an hour in.
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Hey, Alex, we're still embedded over here.
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Yep.
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Nope.
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Like a weather correspondent.
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We're resisting getting our balls cut off.
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It's going well so far.
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Back in a bit.
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So here is Alex just sort of reinforcing my position that I think he just realized that
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he could exploit the Tea Party when he realizes in this next clip that it's a perfect way
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for him to get his documentary, The Obama Deception, out into the world.
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But the caller mentioned how he's getting the Obama Deception out to people all over
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the country at Tea Parties coming up later this week and in the Fed rallies.
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But not just there.
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At other events, people are making copies of The Obama Deception.
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This film is about the bankers.
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This film is about who the criminals are.
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This film is about the financial raising of the people.
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This film covers it all.
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And this film needs to be seen by everyone.
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So just having the DVD or buying the DVD at Infowars.com, that's great.
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That supports the radio show and future filmmaking.
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But what really is effective is airing it on Access TV, very easy to do, making copies
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of it, giving it to people.
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Future filmmaking.
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Future filmmaking.
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Future filmmaking.
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Filmmaking.
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So, yeah, I mean, I just think you see there him being like that's sort of an ad, just
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sort of junk.
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But it is, at the same time, just being like, you can get a lot of copies and go out and
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give it to people at Tea Parties.
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That's great.
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Because it's perfect.
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They're the dumb people.
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They're literally the ones that we're recruiting using anti-Obama fucking propaganda, much
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like the DHS report said!
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Right.
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And they'll be all congregated in person, in physical reality, and you can go and give
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them copies of these DVDs.
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Peer pressure.
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You can do the whole thing.
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Pick them up!
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So in this next clip, I thought this DHS report was going to be it in terms of, like, Alex
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Brigham specifics into his narratives.
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But a caller calls in and he's contesting sort of, not aggressively, but he just doesn't
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know what Alex's narrative about the mass graves are.
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Mass graves are a piece of Alex's narratives about the FEMA camps.
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He's like, there's all these plastic coffins that the government's buying and they're going
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to kill off all the patriots and then bury them in shallow graves.
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Of course, of course.
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And all these FEMA camps, just, you go in, bullet to the head.
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Gotta.
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That sort of thing.
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And so this caller asks, where's that mass grave stuff coming from?
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More or less is his question.
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And Alex seems pissed off to have to answer this question.
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And then he does a really bad job.
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And then I presented you with mainstream news about the mass graves and incinerators.
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Did you hear me go over that?
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Unfortunately, I did not.
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OK.
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Well, we've written articles about it and posted it.
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In fact, let me just let me just show you again.
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I just had it earlier.
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I can't actually show this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
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over.
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But here it is.
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No, no, no, no.
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Bringing it up again.
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Stop.
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Stop.
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No, no, no.
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Just let me get it for you.
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OK.
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Here it is.
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I'm going to show it to you again.
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OK.
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It's got a folder right here.
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This will be the fifth time.
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I don't mind doing this.
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People can't always listen.
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It's got a folder.
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Is it Manila?
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Rocky Mountain News.
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State prepares for bioterrorism February 8th, 2003.
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The state of Colorado sees antibodies, cremate disease ridden corpses and under extreme circumstances
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dig mass graves under executive orders drafted for the use in the event of bioterrorism attack.
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And then it goes into the governor's measures, the mass grave sites, the incinerators.
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And how they're getting ready for that point of order.
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The article doesn't go into the sites.
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It doesn't go into the governor's orders.
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All that stuff is Alex making shit up.
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So this is some really lame shit.
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This episode is from April 2009.
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And the evidence that Alex has that the government is planning a mass casualty event is that
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there was an article in the Rocky Mountain Times from six years prior.
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If that's his evidence, then this article better literally be about the government agents
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admitting they're planning a mass casualty event that these graves are for.
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You think that that's what this article is about?
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I think it would be a very small folder if this is what he's got.
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It was not.
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That's not what the story is about at all.
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This one was really hard to find the actual article of.
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It's referenced repeatedly in InfoWars articles, always citing the same quote that Alex just
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read there.
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That's all that is ever in any InfoWars article, but they never provide a link.
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I took that link, the quote, and I searched for it and went through a bunch of nonsense
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websites.
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And ultimately, I traced down an Arizona weirdo who had a blog who actually links to the real
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article.
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I could take that link, put it into the Internet archive, and find the article.
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If you do read this article, there's a few things that jump out to you immediately that
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make it clear why Alex doesn't link to the whole article or want anybody reading it.
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The first thing is that this has nothing to do with the federal government.
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It's all about the governor of Colorado having a series of eight draft executive orders regarding
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emergency preparedness.
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Alex certainly isn't against the idea of having a plan in place in case things go bad.
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I mean, he sells survival food.
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His problem is that he thinks that the federal government and FEMA are evil and thinks that
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states' rights are paramount.
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Nothing in this story should offend that sensibility.
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FEMA isn't involved.
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It's all about the state government.
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One of the orders specifically talks about state healthcare workers being allowed to
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commandeer drugs from pharmacies in the case of an emergency and lays out the rationale
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that the federal government will be the ones to provide those drugs.
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But in an emergency, people on the ground can't wait for any possible delays.
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These pharmacies would be compensated, of course.
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Right.
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That makes sense.
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Three of the remaining seven orders had to do with suspending licensing regulations so
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emergency workers could prescribe medications in a crisis, something that wouldn't be allowed
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in normal conditions.
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Alex hates regulations and thinks that his chiropractor friend, Dr. Group, should be
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able to prescribe meds, so I don't see what his problem here is either.
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One of the remaining four orders makes it so in an emergency, emergency rooms would
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be able to turn away patients, something that is against the law in Colorado under normal
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conditions.
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The reasoning is that in a biological attack or something like that, emergency medical
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stations would be set up, patients would be processed and sent to the appropriate hospital
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to avoid making the situation worse.
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Again, I feel like Alex, as a libertarian, should be totally cool with the idea of hospitals
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being able to turn people away since they shouldn't be forced into helping anybody.
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That is right in line with libertarian principles.
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I don't know what his problem is.
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One of the last three orders makes it so mental health patients could be kicked out of their
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beds in hospitals to make room for biochemical attack victims.
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This seems shitty, but in a legitimate emergency, I kind of understand the reasoning.
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I would hope they wouldn't just throw mental health patients into the streets, but who
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knows.
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It doesn't specify what the process would be, anything like that.
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I believe it would be a cart, a horse-drawn cart.
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They would just toss them in there.
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I mean, in a legitimate emergency, someone who deserves care for mental health conditions,
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I understand why you would deprioritize that to people who possibly are suffering from
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biological attack.
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I'll tell you one reason to get them out of there, because everybody else in the hospital
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has been fucking hit by a biological attack.
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They shouldn't be around there.
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That's a really good angle on it.
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The last two of the orders are about easing burial and funeral regulations to accommodate
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the possibility that there would be tons of bodies that needed to be handled in a short
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period of time, and some of the red tape could get in the way.
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Things like the family of the person, by law, they have to sign off on how they're buried
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and stuff like that.
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Right, right, right.
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And a lot of that stuff could be time that you don't have in an emergency.
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The difficulty of figuring out the people's immediate family, you might end up spreading
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something.
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And yeah, so often it's like, look, unfortunately, we're going to have to burn these bodies because
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yeah, they're dead, but we're going to have to burn them on account of germs are still
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there, man.
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It's horrible to think about, but the situation that they're talking about is real fucking
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serious.
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Yeah.
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So you put your brain into Ebola outbreak, airborne Ebola outbreak in America or something
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like that.
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And it really sucks to think about like, well, you're taking control of the burial process
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away from the family or whatever, but it's an existential crisis.
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It's very much like, look, I get it.
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During the black plague, it's like, no, they're our family members.
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We still need to give them a religious burial.
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And you're like, no, you got to burn that shit because everybody you know is going to
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die.
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That's exactly the point I was going to get to is that we learned that lesson about the
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idea of dead bodies that could be infected are a public health crisis.
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We learned that a few years back, just a couple of years back, that one in the bubonic fucking
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plague.
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We learned that a thousand years ago whenever people were catapulting dead bodies into cities
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in order to spread a fucking disease.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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And so, you know, it sucks.
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But even here's a quote, quote, I don't want to come across as saying the state's going
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to make this decision to do mass cremations and ruin the lives of families.
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That's certainly not the intent.
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Mark Estock, bioterrorism program coordinator for the state health department said.
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But it, referencing the executive order, just gives us maximum flexibility.
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So he's even saying, like, I don't like this.
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I really, really, really hope that we, even in a biological crisis, we don't have to do
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any of this shit.
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That's my hope.
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This is the like as as this is only if it gets the most worst, you know.
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So now here's the thing.
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These executive orders have never been used.
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And if you look on Colorado dot gov, you can find the list of Governor Bill Owens executive
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orders.
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It doesn't even look like these were ever signed.
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I don't know for sure.
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What?
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I don't know for sure.
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But from what I can tell, this was a series of executive orders that were written up as
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drafts and Governor Owens didn't sign them.
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I could be wrong, but I can't find any evidence that they were anything more than these drafts.
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And the article Alex is referencing even says, quote, Owens hasn't signed any of the draft
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executive orders yet, and there's a good chance they'll never be needed.
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So this is not even just like we've signed this into into law now.
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This is should this happen?
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We will sign this.
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We have these executive orders ready in a folder, much like Alex's mass group.
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Right.
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That way.
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That way we don't have to wait another week in order to draft something during the crisis.
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I think it's possible or it could be just that they I don't know.
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I don't know exactly what happened, but I went through his like the next year or two
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of Bill Owens governorship and looked at all of the executive orders.
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Others of them are just, hey, here's the new guy who's the secretary of X.
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Right.
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Right.
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And then declared a lot of emergencies about like floods and fires and stuff like that.
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But I didn't find I didn't find anything that indicated that he signed these.
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There was the weird one where he signed into one of his executive orders was that dubstep
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was the new national.
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That was a weird thing, especially in 2004.
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I know.
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So crazy.
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It might seem a little broad for Colorado to prep these executive orders.
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It seems pretty extreme.
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Maybe the the the sort of the things that they're talking about, like we're saying,
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it's an extreme emergencies.
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But you also need to keep in mind that this was written after the anthrax scares in late
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2001 and right in the period where the U.S. was gearing up for war in Iraq.
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Yeah.
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I don't think it's too insane for a person who's responsible for the safety of the citizens
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of an entire state to consider what the best way to address a possible emergency would
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be ahead of time.
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And that's really all this is, especially since they're talking about a biological attack,
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which would, of course, be more associated.
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You know, Iraq isn't going to put troops on the ground in the States.
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That's not going to happen.
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But they can slip a terrorist in who's going to release a biological weapon.
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We have that's their war.
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We have the gift of hindsight on this.
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And we can laugh about like, isn't it?
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Isn't it crazy?
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They thought a dirty bomb was coming.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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They thought a fucking dirty bomb was coming.
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Whether everybody did or not, I'm sure there were some people, some aloof commentators
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who were like, you guys are over exaggerate.
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You're you know, you're being hysterical, that sort of thing.
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But I don't think that that attitude is correct for someone who has the responsibility for
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an entire state's population like the governor does, you know, it is on them in many ways
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to help protect the safety of the people from things that people shouldn't have to worry
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about on a day to day basis.
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You would hope not.
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So I get, while I still think that a lot of the threats were exaggerated in a propagandist
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kind of way, in the lead up to the war in Iraq, I still think that these sorts of things
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are like this idea of preparation that's being expressed through these executive orders and
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this Rocky Mountain Times article that Alex is referencing.
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I don't I don't see anything wrong with it.
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I only see Alex lying about it.
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Yep.
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That's it.
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That's it.
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No disagreements here.
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So he then goes on to talk about another piece of evidence he has about mass graves.
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And it's not good either.
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Now, I go through these all day.
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But here's your Department of State Division of Cemeteries.
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You can read this document, call the phone numbers.
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It's real.
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Out of the article written by Aaron Dykes, plans for mass graves confirmed government
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surveying cemetery readiness for flu outbreak so that they're preparing for millions all
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over the country, tens of thousands per cemetery, and you can call the phone numbers and call
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the state.
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They admit this is real.
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OK.
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So, so see, we're covering what's real and admitted, but no one will talk about it.
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No one will put up a YouTube video.
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No one will discuss it.
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No one will get into it.
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They won't because it's bullshit.
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I mean, this is a real document in the same way that a lot of these are, the MIAC documents
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real, the DHS document is real, the Rocky Mountain Times article is real.
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But I found this.
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I mean, it's still posted as a PDF on InfoWars even, like this document about the New York
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cemeteries.
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If you go through it, it's just a bunch of questions.
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It's a like five-page questionnaire that's sent out to cemeteries that are just trying
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to gauge whether or not they could accommodate in the case of a disaster, which again, from
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a public health standpoint, makes total sense.
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If you need that, it is good to know ahead of time where you can and can't go.
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And it's super respectful to them as businesses.
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Like one of their questions in Section O, and O doesn't mean something, it's actually
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Section O, is the cemetery able to sustain itself, in parentheses, cash flow, if due
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to a mass fatality event, in terminate space and burial fees are delayed or a government
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reimbursed.
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So, this is even asking if we needed to commandeer your cemetery.
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Could you work for free and then we'll pay you back or would this bankrupt you?
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Because if this is going to bankrupt you, we can't use you.
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And it has, how long can you sustain?
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Circle one.
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Exactly.
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Three months, six months, 12 months, 18 months, 24 months.
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So it's even respectful of the business entity as itself.
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And then also, it has the, do you have capability, do you have Wi-Fi?
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This gets back so much to the propagandist bread and butter, which is that if you prepare
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for an emergency, the propagandist says you're going to create the emergency.
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And if the emergency happens and you're not prepared for it, the propagandist is going
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to say, you should have fucking prepared for it.
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They have you coming and going because they're cheating.
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This is a cheat.
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Yeah, it is.
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Absolutely.
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This is a dodge.
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I can read this document and I can see nothing wrong with it.
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I see exactly why it exists.
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And then at the same time, I see exactly the bread and butter Alex is making out of it.
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And I just think like, it's not reading comprehension based.
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Like I know he can't read and stuff like that, but it leads me to believe that because he's
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so lazy and such a, just a reacting kind of guy, I think the real, like the insidious
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evil at InfoWars is those people who write the articles.
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Because Alex isn't, he didn't read the Rocky Mountain Times article.
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He didn't read the DHS report.
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He thought it was Section U.
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He didn't read these things.
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He read the InfoWars articles about them and then responded to it.
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So it's the people like Kurt Nimmo who have read the articles and that or the actual report
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or whatever, and then write the article about it that Alex uses as the jumping off point.
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That might be the more nefarious evil behind this.
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Alex is still fucking evil as shit, but he's stupid.
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Do you think he's in the writer's room?
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No, he's in the lounge drinking.
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The normal, it would be, it would be the news desks, you know, where all of this stuff happens.
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I mean, are, do those, do the writers for InfoWars even come into the office?
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Yeah.
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They sit at cubicles I'm sure.
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Yeah.
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Do you think so?
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Yeah.
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I've seen the, Alex gave a tour of their studio.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay.
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I've seen the layout of it.
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So he's not in the editorial pitch meeting.
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Absolutely not.
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No, I bet Buckley is.
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Yeah.
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I bet Buckley runs that shit while Alex is nursing a hangover or starting one.
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So, so the way that this probably goes is not Alex is in the editorial room talking
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about here are the things we want to cover.
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Alex's talent, baby.
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Exactly.
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There's a, there's an editorial room where they're like, here are the narratives we've
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got today.
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It's less like a news desk and more like the writer's room at SNL.
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They've got Paul Joseph Watson on Skype from London, UK.
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Where they're like, let's come up with some things that we can lie about.
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Let's talk about some fun things.
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What do you got?
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, you know what though, Alex is actively involved because we've seen when
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things have broken on the show, like when the show was happening and he's called Paul
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Joseph Watson and been like, I need you to write an article that sums up all of this.
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Right.
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That's true.
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And I've always thought that that was because he wants the audience to have access to what
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the narrative should be.
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But I think there's a decent chance it's because he doesn't know what it should be and he needs
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the direction of someone like Paul Joseph Watson who's smart enough to figure out, okay,
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this is the way we package it.
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This is the way you take the truth of this and turn it into the lie that you can sell
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to your dumb audience.
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Yeah.
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This is such, I think that's probably what's going on.
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This is like paid joke writers.
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This is such like somebody going on the road and they're like, I've run, I had an hour
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of material for 10 years and I can't write any new jokes.
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Yeah, totally.
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He probably did his years of public access and then the early days of his show and he's
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just burned out on this shit.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We hire some writers and he's like, hey, I need a new joke about whatever the topic of
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the day is.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I understand that impulse.
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It is really hard.
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It's really hard.
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It's really hard.
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It's really hard.
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It takes me hours to go through this stuff.
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I know.
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I can't wait for five years from now when we hire some young-
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You're writing joke writers?
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We're just doing a script.
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So we've seen a bunch of stuff here.
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This DHS document is being used completely flagrantly, irresponsibly.
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Just a mess.
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Just a mess what he's doing with this document that is descriptive in nature and he's turning
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it into a the government is trying to get you kind of thing, which it serves his brand,
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but is so fucking wrong.
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And then we see this mass grave stuff come up and he's wrong about all this stuff too.
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It's interesting that he decides to say this.
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I wish every day this wasn't real.
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I wish every day they weren't shipping birds all over the world and shooting people off
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when they're dying.
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That's mainstream news, but nobody in the quote alternative movement wants to cover
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it.
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Like there's mental block or something from covering real news, so they only can cover
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the weird made up crap.
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It's a weird thing that Alex is the luckiest man in the world.
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He wishes that none of this is real.
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And I'm here to say none of this is real.
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You have gotten your wish, Alex.
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Yeah.
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Congratulations.
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I think that this is interesting because of these new pieces that we can bring to our
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awareness and then at the same time, because I think that this does represent me being
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done with the tea party stuff, we'll end up seeing, I strongly predict, just this trend
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continuing as the tea party grows.
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And I think there'll be varying levels of intensity that Alex feels like his movement
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is being stolen from him, but I think that that's pretty much his operating position.
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That's going to be where he goes from that, which I'm glad that's, you know, we had a
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we're good.
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We had a goal.
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We did it.
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We went through the muck.
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Mission accomplished.
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Somali pirates.
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Sure.
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We're good.
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I wonder if he's going to talk about them on the next episode.
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One thing that remains constant from a decade ago to now is the thing that I hate most about
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Alex.
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And it's the thing that I hate most about so many of these guys, but Alex is like the
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number one guy I know who will directly assert the exact opposite of reality.
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Like so many people then say that anyone who's expressing reality is doing that exactly like
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so many people in the right wing propaganda sphere try and twist it.
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They try and spin it.
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They try and do all of this stuff.
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They try and take reality and make it mean something else.
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And Alex just says directly the opposite of what you say is true.
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One hundred one hundred and eighty degrees perfectly is what is true.
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It's still spin, but it's aggressive.
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So it's I just want it like I'm so much more comfortable with one hundred and seventy degrees
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of spin, but a direct a direct refutation of reality with no acceptance of it at all.
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It's like, yeah, it's so infuriating.
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Yeah, it's an abusive tactic.
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It's manipulation that he's trying to perpetuate on a grand scale.
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Yeah, I think I feel like a woman, like a woman, like a woman.
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I feel like a woman from old times.
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So we're we're done here with this episode.
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But Darryl Johnson, the guy who wrote that DHS report, yeah, he's never killed anybody.
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He just tried to warn people about dudes who are going to be killing people in the near
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future.
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And he got shot down for it.
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But one guy who has killed people actually was part of shutting down his warning about
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people who are going to kill people.
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And that guy who's technically probably killed somebody.
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That's Alex Jones.
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That was convoluted linguistically.
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But here we are.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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