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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding
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Hello Alex, I'm a person color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight
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I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages talk a little bit about Alex Jones indeed
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We are Dan. Yes, sir, Dan. What up? How is uh you're playing civilization six? Yeah? Yeah my
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What's your favorite civilization to play as so far?
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I've been mostly playing as Sumeria in honor of sweary-carey over a project Camelot
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She loves the Sumerians and believes they were involved with ancient aliens, so I've been playing as
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Sumeria the war card is a good early in
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early game
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Military units that is definitely one of that's an important thing
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That's one of the attractions of it certainly because it allowed me in my last game that I was playing to conquer France real early
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Yeah, that's the trick yeah took over Paris and owned that yeah when you start playing on high difficulty
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You always notice that the AI attacks your city as soon as possible in order to try and
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Eliminate people from the early game. Yeah, it is a great game since the turn-based structure of it
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It is a great game to play while taking notes on Alex episodes
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Because you need you need a little something you get that little time. Yeah, yeah, anytime you're listening to Alex right paying attention to him
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Anytime there's something whoa whoa whoa hold on you just write down the timestamp, and you don't have to pause the game
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You don't have to do anything like that. You're good to go. So thanks for prop do out there for
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pointing out that it exists and
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Getting me down this damn rabbit hole. I've had it for a year and a half two years
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That's right, I got you, but what about you? What's your civilization? What's my civilization?
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Yeah, you know I I go a lot of different ways. I like to play as Rome. I like Trajan
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Just fucked me over him. I like another recent game of mine. Yeah, that's fucking religion and taking over my society
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I like to play as Egypt. I love building wonders
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I like I'm just you like I'm I play as China all the time cuz you can accelerate the wonder construction using workers
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That's my thing. I didn't know about that might have to place
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What are you talking about? Oh? That's my favorite thing for a few days. Oh, yeah, I'll have like six wonders
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And I haven't played civilization since civilization for I think so it's been you know it's kind of a coming back into the waters
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Yeah, but I like it, and I'd like to give a shout out to Sid Meyer. Thank you so much
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Yeah, thanks, Sid second thing
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I want to give a shout out to something I mentioned to you
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And I believe you watched a little bit of and I just think everybody should enjoy it
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It's on Netflix the show final table. Oh
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Oh, man. I think it's so good. It is the most overproduced cooking show
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I've ever seen in my entire life
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There are it is this set deck on that must have cost ten million dollars
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There are some issues in terms of that saying the host is horrendously bad. He's garbage. He says things a little bit
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Dramatically he's really bad. Yeah, he's he has some problems, but the bigger picture of the show. I think is so awesome
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Oh the friendships the friendship all the friendships and then also the like
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Celebration of cultures in terms of like bringing in all these people who are very clearly celebrities in other countries
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But no one knows who the fuck they are no clue. Yeah. Yeah, it's so great. I think that there's such a like
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Multicultural wonder to it. That's amazing. I think they honor like ingredients and culture cultural
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Cuisines very well on the show to the point of like they went to some countries and the people like the guests chose the national
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Dish of the country like what the fuck is that? Yeah on the first episode with it to Mexico and they choose taco
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Oh, yeah
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What are we doing here? What are we doing? Come on guys?
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I expected that to be like what continues for the rest of the episodes rare real stereotypical things
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But a great job and then my favorite is whenever they get past the first round of nonsense, which is terrible
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but then they have the the
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celebrity chef that that and they don't pick like celebrity chefs like Amelia or
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Like a see ya. Yeah
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They pick like these eccentric geniuses who wander during this cooking part and they just start
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Bothering people just like hey, can I taste that I'm gonna taste that and then they'll and then they'll look at them
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Just like do you think that's done and you're like, yes, you're amazing and
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And Charles and Rodrigo the that team. Oh great. It's it's
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so great, yeah on a on a
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On a cooking show like I've watched a lot of them where everyone just yells at each other
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Yeah, it's like we're all stressed out
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That their team is so awesome. But all the other teams are great, too
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Everyone loves each other and these yeah
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And they spend so much time on these people's because all the celebrity or all the chef teams are like accomplished
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And and they're and not just accomplished chefs
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But they also the other like the team was started because they have this backstory of like well
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I was in I was in Mexico studying for a while and I met this guy and then he came back to
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London and we became best friends. So now we're on this show together and they're so great. Yep. It's awesome
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Yeah, everyone's hugging all the time all the time. There's hugging all the time. Everything is so uplifting
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Yeah, and it's a celebration of globalism. Yeah, exactly
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No, no, and it could not be more transparent in it
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It's like we have a job to do and that's to get as many people as possible to realize that our differences make us great
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Together. Yep. Yeah, but that's one of the big reasons why I wanted to give it a shout out on this specific show
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Knowledge fight had so much so much anti globalist propaganda on Alex's part. Yeah, it just it was really enriching
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Yeah, and it was a like within the first 20 minutes. I was like, this is globalist propaganda. Like I was like, whoa
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This is it. This is not subtle
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Propaganda it's a reflection. Yeah. Yeah, and it's a celebration but it is not subtle. No, it is not subtle. Not at all, but
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Neither is Alex. I know a lot about there you go. That's a pretty good transition you I don't know anything about it
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And it doesn't matter cuz today's wacky Wednesday
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Hey, we've got a very interesting road to go down today. There's a lot of stuff that we'll see how it goes
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I'm not sure how it will. Oh, yeah, but before we do that
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I'd like to say something I am sure of and that's thank you to some new donors. Very nice
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First of all, I'd like to say Asha. Thank you so much. Might be Asha. I apologize if I got it wrong
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I absolutely did because I said two different
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Pronunciation could be one of them's wrong. Yeah. Anyway, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you so much. Thank you very much second. I'd like to say thank you so much to Victoria. You are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you. Thank you very much Victoria. Why did you call you? That was weird. It's weird
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I sure is Vic Mensa's full name Victoria Mensa thinks so. I'm not sure
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All right. Also, I'd like to say thank you to anime waifu. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you so much. Thank you very much reach for the cartoons my friend. Absolutely
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Yeah, so not the way nevermind. Mm-hmm
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So also I'd like to say thank you someone who took their donation bumped it up a little bit higher level
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So I'd like to say thank you so much Joshua. You are now a globalist
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I'm a policy wonk
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Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop daddy shark
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Thank you so much Joshua, thank you very much Joshua
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If you would like to support our show you can do so by going to knowledge fight comm clicking that support the show button
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We would appreciate it would be very nice. So Jordan today. We've got a real interesting wacky Wednesday adventure
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Okay
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I believe I said two weeks ago that one of the things we would like to do is open up the fold in wacky Wednesday
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Indeed and one of the other things I'd like to do is have a place where there's more ability to respond to audience
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Suggestions of things so along the lines probably Wednesday will serve as a place where we fulfill some time travel requests
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So I think that'll probably come up in Wednesdays in the future, but we also got a number of yeah
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We got a backlog of time travel requests got a few we got to get to yeah
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But there are also suggestions that people have made in response to our call for like who should we cover who else is out?
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there wacky Wednesday style and
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Policy wonk Ian probably a raptor princess. I can't remember. I should have made a spreadsheet
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You should have made a spreadsheet ranking art
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Or at least keep it track. I don't I feel very bad. I forget
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I everyone's a policy wonk
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That's a broader term
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General term you got very defensive quick. I apologize. I feel very bad. I didn't mean to yeah
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Yeah, but policy wonk Ian sent in a suggestion of this guy named coach Dave Dobbin Meyer coach Dave
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Yes, he is someone who has been covered a little bit by right-wing watch. He has said some
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Terrifyingly homophobic things. Is he a coach?
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He will get to this guy is this like our doctor friends this guy has a
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Backstory that we're going to get to in this episode. He's the coach of a college football team at a university
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He invented that would be very
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So
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And he linked to a right-wing watch article about him saying something about how his daughters aren't going to be lesbians
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Even though they play softball because they're not ugly and fat something along those lines. Sure. Sure
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And that to me seemed like bush league bigotry. Yeah, and I that didn't it's lowball that didn't entice me into
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Wanting to do an episode about him. Yeah, what are you gonna research on that whether or not?
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Research that's not
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So I would say that that would be almost ignorable, but then I was like look
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Ian has been a supporter of the show for the long a long time. Yeah, we really appreciate him a great deal
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I'm gonna go out of my way to see if there's more to dig into you gotta do due diligence. Absolutely. He's earned it
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Yeah, so I looked into Dave and I watched a couple of his videos. I'm like, oh, but please please use the
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Terrific of coach. I looked into coach and I was like, yeah. Yeah, there's something here
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Yeah
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So we're going to do an episode where we talk about about maybe five videos that coach Dave has put out into the world
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all right, and and explore him a little bit and if you out there like what we're doing here you like coach you may
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Might join the fold might enter the arena of the immortals. Oh
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No, the wacky Wednesday
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No, no, no, no, we're gonna start over producing
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No, we're not we're not doing it also by the way where we're talking about
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My favorite chef was a chef Dave
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The whole idea of final table is like if you win you get to sit down at the table with these
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Iconic chefs. Yeah, that's not how that that's not how they became iconic. I don't think it's not but also I don't understand
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You get a seat at the final table, but then I watched the entire show. Nothing else happens
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Yeah, it's not like all of them then cook together. It's not like
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Now all the final table iconic
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Eccentric genius chefs will make one dish right or it's not like the winner is then on the level of these people
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Absolutely not. Also. It's not like it's implied that he is now a judge on the next season along with these other nine
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He is the next bachelor though could be I just didn't understand what the guiding metaphor of the final table was what it means
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I understand. It's great. You're honored
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That should have been what the show is you get to be in the green room of all these other chef's place call the fucking
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Show get to hang out. That sounds like a great show sure
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Wait, sorry, I watched too much of that show the other day
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So here we're gonna get into coach Dave and I'll probably just keep calling him coach for the rest of this
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Sure, but he runs a show called pass the salt. I don't know why that's the name of the show
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I tried to figure it out. No idea. Okay, so he's a coach
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Hold on to his name is coach Dave whether or not he's a coach is at this point in time nebulous. He was
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Okay, and then he decided to start a show and call it pass the salt mm-hmm
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You're you're care. You're following this so far. All right. Yeah, you got all the pieces you need. Okay, so does
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being formally a coach
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Relate in any way does he have some part of his backstory where passing the salt is like an anecdote he tells here's the thing
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I don't know. I
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Have no idea. I played football. I don't think that's like a football term. No. No, it's not like a flea flicker. Yeah
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All right, right 32 pass the salt
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No idea. No, there's probably a release that means we're gonna do a jet sweep to the right side
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There's probably a real simple answer and I just don't know it and I apologize if it is
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I mean, it's just super simple explanation
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Well, I mean, it's a common kind of saying, you know
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We're better to pass the salt you bet it is when you need salt to be passed so common
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It factors heavily into the opening theme
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From his show. He's got a theme but oh shit. We don't even have a good cause we're jellyfish pass the salt
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Will you pass the salt as these old amigo? It's time. I think they could give us a new name
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I believe we are even jellyfish. Hey, we have passed the salt
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It's time it's still going the salt
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But we like to share the gospel without any backbone to it
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See the views opinions and seemingly outrageous comments expressed in this program are based on the Holy Spirit
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Leading of a man called coach. I'm gonna ask you this out there Christian America
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It's time for pass the salt with a coach Dave
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Daubenmeyer
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So that's the Wow. That's a nice 40 Wow
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Bumper there that it's a little excessive very loud. He's 90s radio
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Yeah, so coach presents himself like pardon the interruption, but for Jesus, he's very very Christian
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Um, he presents himself as being like being on the radio and he might be in some small markets or something like that
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I have no idea what I do know is that he has a YouTube channel
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And most of the videos have under a thousand views, right?
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So one of the things that I was wrestling with when Ian brought this to my attention is like is this punching down?
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Because we have more listeners than him probably and I think that well
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I don't know. I look with like radio. I don't know. I have no idea
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He could have a secret huge radio that's entirely possible. But based on the things I can see on YouTube
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It seems like very low engagement
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It seems like just a man sitting on a green screen that has a soccer stadium
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Superimposed behind okay with about ten people on Skype
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Who sometimes chime in and yell amen? You know what? It's bizarre. Here's the problem
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everybody who would watch his show is
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Sodium deprived could be because they've given him all their salt
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It could be that I can't even get up to see the computer also fun little trivia
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I can't remember the name of the soccer club that did it but one of them threatened to sue him because he was using their
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stadium
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See he must have a huge audience because we have not been threatened to be sued by anybody don't use any green screens though
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That's true. Um, so yeah, he his show is bizarre and I was concerned about like the possibility of like this is just a
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Inconsequential guy rambling in the in the wilderness
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But as I started to listen to him more I started to see things that were very important to bring up
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And then at the same time some commonalities with Alex Jones
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He talks about how we need to be worried because Alex Jones is being censored and stuff like that
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He clearly listens to Alex's show and a lot of his narratives do track and follow similar patterns
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Yeah to Alex like this one. We're gonna be faced all of us
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I believe at some point I'm gonna be faced with some very very difficult decisions that I think most of them are going to
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revolve around
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finances
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What's gonna happen with money? What's money gonna become we know about Bitcoin and litecoin and gold and silver and everything
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There's certainly a financial
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I'm gonna use the term collapse. Although that's probably a good term. There's a financial reckoning that's coming because we are so so
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Deeply in debt all of us are so the financial collapse is coming. Yeah, you know, there is sort of that financial
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Scare mongering a little bit. He talks about that a good bit
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But at least he does provide a far more rational reason for it than Alex ever does which is just we're all in debt
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Well like that because Alex if he didn't take the second step to yelling conspiracies about the Federal Reserve
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That would be the way he described it. We're all in debt. Now. Why are we in debt?
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Suppose yeah, yeah fair just that Alex moves past that right and it's sort of he's evolved his rhetoric a little more fair
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So this is more understandable because it's a vaguer because yeah, absolutely
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You could see a situation where people they've diminished buying power because of all the debt
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They're under it makes him seem a little more reasonable that he doesn't go as far as out
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Perhaps you didn't tune in here to hear financial advice
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What you did tune in is to hear us talk about someone who's batshit insane
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Yes, and you were asking if he is a coach you want to get to the bottom of that?
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Yeah, I need this. I need this Craig T Nelson mystery solved real quick
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Well, thankfully we don't have to wait too long to get to the bottom of that because in this next clip
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coach
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Expresses something that is real troubling and that is that he believes
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I think that we need to send missionaries to public schools
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All right
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And that leads to an understanding and a little bit of a revelation about his past that will be fun for all
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I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna make him mad. I'm gonna really make him mad. It's okay mark if I make him mad
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I do the money
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How dare you how dare you
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Pastors, I'm tell I'm talking to you pastors how that you're talking to mark sends your your people from your church on a
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mission trip to
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You name it?
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Without even evangelizing your own public school. You won't even try to evangelize your own public school
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Cuz there's laws
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Send people to the uttermost to the gutter most send them all around the world and the name of Jesus
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Ain't even welcome in your own public school
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You're making that man
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Why because hey, can I tell you I'm gonna go to Honduras it's safe down there what I'll be a foreigner
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I'll go in there may be safe. I am already fine with that. Hey
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Let's go to Columbus City School. Let's go to East High School. Oh
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No
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They don't need the gospel there, I guess
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So you were concerned about who that was chiming in like I said
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He has a bunch of people on Skype and most of them just to every now and again. Yeah. Amen
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Wait, wait, wait, so they're very well. I thought it was like people in a Skype chat room
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He has a bunch of people like in
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Monitors on Skype on his show. He probably has at least like six or seven people
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Who will chime in occasionally with a bad or you see them? They have little mini
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They're like picture-in-picture. Yeah. Yeah, there's like a row of five of them. All right. All right. All right
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So along the right-hand side
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Okay, it's surreal. So I'm thinking it's some sort of like
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Like a group chat
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it's
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Deeply fucked up. I kind of see this a little bit like Hollywood Squares whenever they
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when they zoom in on the on the guy and then they have the picture-in-picture of the
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People who are the celebrities who are helping him. Imagine Hollywood Squares, but only the three on the right. Gotcha
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That's basically where you're at. Sounds great. It's a mess. So
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Coach here. Mm-hmm. He's talking about how you need to send missionaries to the schools
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Yes, you are legally nicely against the law that that's a problem. So against the law, here we go
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It should be pointed out that coach Dave Daubenmire is not a coach and hasn't been one for a very long time
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That's because in 1999 he was sued by the ACLU because for years
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He'd been forcing his students to pray before and after games passing out scripture to his players
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I'm basically trying to evangelize to them in a public school. So yes
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So he was doing what he's screaming about here back in 99 and got sued
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Naturally this led to some parents and community members filing complaints and the ACLU took up their call to this day coach claims
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He won money in the lawsuit after the ACLU settled out of court and gave him an undisclosed amount in reality
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the ACLU worked out a settlement and withdrew the case after the school and coach agreed to put a stop to the practices that were
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Found to be objectionable which made progressing with the lawsuit unnecessary
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And the only reason to proceed at that point would be to punish the school district and the ACLU had no interest in that
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The agreement set up a mechanism where the school is required to relay complaints involving coach to the ACLU directly
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So this is this is a dude this is a coach at a small school
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I don't know if it was I don't know is that small but yeah, or at least an individual public school
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Yeah
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That now has to report directly to the ACLU
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The principal does if the principal gets a complaint from somebody right he has to report it
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I know but isn't that you not not the not the superintendent not the actual
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ACLU because his behavior was so out of control and it'd be going on for years
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Yeah
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I have to assume that there might be a situation at the school in place where they're covering it up because spoiler alert
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He's a pretty good coach
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Easy. Yeah. Oh, yeah, like he's actually a really had undefeated season. Really? Yeah
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Shit, so in the same way that you have all these stories of this angels in the up
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You have all these stories of abuses that would happen in Texas schools. There's no negative where football was king
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Yeah, and stuff like that. You have a situation here where this guy is acting out of line in terms of evangelizing to students
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Right in a setting that it's inappropriate. Right? He's the Joe Paterno of Jesus. Essentially. I'm uncomfortable with that, but I am gonna allow it. Yeah
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So the ACLU set up this thing where they had to do that in order to make sure that he was
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Fulfilling the agreement that led to them withdrawing the lawsuit right because all they were interested in is hey
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Stop it. Just stop it. Right? So, you know, where are the ACLU? We don't want like a hundred million dollars
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We just want you to stop fucking with kids. Yeah
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Yeah, so as a part of the deal coach Dave could keep his job pending any further complaints
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He got another contract for a year and that would undoubtedly have been renewed and then we received further complaints
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No, Oh after a year he grew bored of not religiously abusing children
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He quit? He quit. He quit because he couldn't religiously abuse children. Straight up quit
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This is a man who believes his principles and is actually not a very good coach if he's a quitter
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That's not a good coach, but we'll see what happens. That's not an example you want to set to your kids
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So none of this is to mention the fact that settling the case cost the London School District
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Approximately eighteen thousand dollars in attorneys fees and court costs which just sort of gloss over in coaches telling the story
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He won a huge court settlement after this coach was pretty much unhireable by public schools
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So he became a religious wacko
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He founded his ministry past the salt and an organization called Minutemen United
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While the latter sounds a lot like a military group
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It appears that they're mostly just into complaining from their website their list of victory includes quote successfully lobbing mayor
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regional grocery store to remove entry-level porn magazines from their shelves and quote aiding a local Columbus community in
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Ousting a homosexual bathhouse from their community entry-level porn magazines
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I'm guessing that just means like muscle mag or like
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Yeah, what is that like Maxim? Yeah, that's got to be what it congratulations
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I guess you got rid of a spa and now this grocery store can't have a bodybuilding magazine. Yeah, you did it. Whoo
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So on a minute's notice, they're ready to stop entry-level porn mags from being in a grocery store now
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These groups not only wasted everyone's time with their clear public expressions of gay panic
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they also were involved in quote protesting the removal of the Ten Commandments from Adams County, Ohio and
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Travel to Montgomery, Alabama to stand alongside
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judge Roy Moore
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Now always gets worse
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It always gets worse
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There's we can't just have a fucking wacky Wednesday that doesn't turn into a disaster on this wacky Wednesday. There's like five hammers coming
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It's gonna be real bad of a bitch
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So along the way as he's creating this past assault ministry and working with news with views and need some explanation of minutes
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United I don't so furious about that. I'm not just playing it close to the vest. I know no, I know
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I believe you and it has to be a reason
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Is infuriating that that is the one mystery. We can't solve on this fucking podcast. It's weird
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So along the way as he's creating these ministries
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He had also been coaching football at the Fairfield Christian Academy in Ohio
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But he also got fired from that job in 2012 clearly for reasons that didn't have anything to do with too much praying
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It's the Christian Academy. Yeah, you can be too Christian for the Christian Academy
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He believed his quote was he just can't help but speak his mind or something along those lines. Right, right, right. Whatever that means. Probably I'm just a dick.
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So in 2014, he tried to return to coaching secular high school football
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unfortunately public outcry led to a
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Like change.org petition. Oh boy against him being hired by the school board. This guy makes big enemies
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Yeah, yeah
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And then also the school board of Lakewood High School voted three to two against him being allowed a job
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And so he has not been allowed to come back to public school football
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That's crazy for real. He could get a job in my hometown fucking tomorrow
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There are so many places where you can go where people would not only
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Welcome the fact that you were censored by the fucking or censured by the fucking ACLU
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It would be crazy
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Yeah
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I mean it is a
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Sort of feather in his cap and that's kind of why he was able to create his ministries in the first place
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Right on that sort of celebrity of I got the ACLU came after me
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I was like, yeah, yeah, that makes him sort of more relevant to these right-wing
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Extremist worlds. Do you know what I say to that?
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Pass the salt
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So that's a little bit about his coaching resume and where I'm trying out different ways to use pass the salt
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That might make sense later on
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Yeah, I don't know what inflection you're going to give it to make it I don't know
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Oh
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Is that a coat? Oh, then maybe it's like a code word that Christians say that we're not allowed to learn
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We're the like it's the passcode could be where the salt of the earth. Oh, that could be right
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Why would you want to pass people in don't know? Oh, I know that historically salt was like a super
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Luxury item, you know for sure it was used to pay people in the past. Yeah. Yeah yourself that sort of thing
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I mean in in Game of Thrones bread and salt is hospitality. Maybe that's what it's really all about
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You think this guy's a big he's a big George are I swear to God this is grrm all over it possible
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It's possible. So, um, like I said, I noticed some Alex Jones adjacent narratives
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Yeah
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He was saying and there are others that I didn't get into in case we cover this show more
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If you if the audience likes there is a lot that I can get into holding a lot to the best
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But not pass the salt
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But I will reveal some cards and one of them is another commonality with our show and that is a guest that
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That coach sits down with all right that we have talked about before
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Hi friends
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This is coach Dave Dobbin Meyer at news with views TV at news of these dot-com and I gotta tell you something
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I have got a treat for you today
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Like you can you can't even imagine and those of you who've been watching our interviews, you know
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We get a good one with dr. Edwin Viera and and DV kid and we had on JB Williams
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And I mean we've just been doing some great stuff
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But I got one today that I believe is just gonna knock off the socks of everybody who watches this
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In fact, I'm going to be smooth
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Jonah maybe you've never even heard of who's who has been underground
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I hate to use that term, but they they forced him underground has gone underground as far as mainstream media
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Doesn't want anything to do with this guy and I believe that dr
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James David Manning is probably the most dangerous man in all of America to the Obama
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Administration and dr. Manning is what is this meet about a year and a half ago through our mutual friend boots but Paul
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down in what's wrong, so we spoke out and our hearts were
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Immediately knitted together their hearts are knitted
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He has a fucking episode where he sits down with James David Manning the guy who on two weeks ago
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We listened to him talk about how he wants armies to rise up and kill gay right where I don't imagine
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I I can't imagine what they bonded over. I can't imagine either
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Yeah
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And must be just their love of the Lord and lest you think that this is a random thing and he just has Manning on
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It doesn't know anything about him. He legit says in this interview with him. I listen to you every day
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I'm a huge fan of your show
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So he has no reason to not be aware of what Manning stands for which is the murdering gay people
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Yeah, because they're gay almost entirely. Yeah, what's butch Paul's story? I don't know. I'd love to I got it
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How is how is there?
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wait, so
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Reverend Manning yeah and coach Dave they have a lot of a mutual friend named butch Paul that makes total sense though
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They're both they're both
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Religious zealots right gay people and black people right so agree. Why wouldn't they bond?
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Why would they who's the mutual friend? Who is the guy who's not triangle? No in this in this hypotenuse?
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It's only geographically weird because okay, you know Manning's up in in in Harlem
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Yeah, and you got coach down in Ohio. So the only thing is geographical distance, right?
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Philosophically, so I assume butch Paul lives in Pennsylvania must you must be somewhere along the line, Pennsylvania, Dutch
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Like Pennsylvania butch the philosophical connection is so strong between them
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It doesn't appear maybe initially that they would be super in line with each other
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But like I said, they're homophobes who hate black people and of weird versions
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Yeah, why wouldn't they hit it off? No, that sounds that sounds like a match made in hell
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I would watch them as a team on final table
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That would be terrible, um, so we're gonna listen to a little bit of Manning's appearance here talking with coach just to really
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You know flesh out and reinforce that these guys are fucking dicks in the same way
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We can't allow it. I can no longer allow these false prophets these lying prophets these
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homosexual
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Manning so the music that's coming in here is on the show. I didn't
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Channel swelling music behind it
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This is this is like an ESPN show but about Jesus or whatever
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Well about weird fucking and creepy G and also I want to be clear about this
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I was watching the video when Manning says I cannot abide by these
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Homosexuals and the preachers and all that Marcos. Amen. No, uh-huh
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coach smiles
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Well, he smiles immediately after he says homosexuals seeing like it's almost like a yeah, we're getting it
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He's so excited
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Doing what they're doing robbing the people blind
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Leading the people down the path to pathway to hell and and having people thinking that they're secure
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Or watching children fall apart watching families fall apart
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I can't stand this watching that CNN stand by and watch that long-legged
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Mac got it back quas I'm Muslim freak Obama. God dammit. He is doing long-legged
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Justice and truth is true. You don't know about long-legged mac daddy. Hey, that's reverend Manning's catchphrase. Hey, that's his catchphrase
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Well, like we heard the one that he said and the boom shakalaka go right
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Right one of his catchphrases, but he rose to prominence in office on the back of a long-legged long-legged back. All right
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Yeah, he came to prominence because of characterizing Barack Obama as a pimp man, but that's a good turn of phrase
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God, you gotta get it. You gotta give it to Manning the first time I heard of Obama was right there on a big old pair
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of tips
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Another one of those catchphrase. He's just if the man knows how to turn a fucking phrase. I don't know
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Let's not say too many positive. No, no
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Like if you're gonna go with that exactly
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It's not the best thing to say but it's way better than like show me his birth certificate like now and it does say that
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Too well, of course he does but it's way better whenever you say it like a fucking lunatic. Yeah, so
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Coach having Manning on gives him a what appears to be like a really fun
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excuse to
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Talk shit about black people to be filled with hate
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hmm, well it gives him cover to be really really against and and I want to say that we're gonna listen to this clip he's
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Gonna say black a bunch of times but and I'm sure he's gonna do it in a very respectful way sure
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There's a I don't know if it'll play on the sound of the episode
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But I saw the wave files of this and it's interesting that I could see looking at the wave file
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I was like, oh that's him saying black
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Oh
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Boy that is different when he says black there's something there's some vocal quality that changes
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and I think it's perceptible from listening, but if you
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Put this episode into audacity. You'll fucking see a difference in the way. He speaks
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Specifically when he says black that's weird. You came to you came to my knowledge
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Just before just before the election that's clear back. And what would that be?
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2000 and
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2007 2008
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Because you are were and are so unique. Dr. Manning because not only are you a man of God
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But you are a black man of God
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But even more unusual is you were a black man of God trying to warn people
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About what you called this long-legged mack daddy Barack Hussein Obama
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What was it that gave you the heads up five years ago?
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And you were speaking at that time really dr. Main to the black community
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I was watched some of the some of the videos of some things that you said to black people Wow particular that was unbelievable
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Yeah, here's what it was. Yeah, you can hear it in my heart because it's not a black or white
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Wow, I like to say to folks
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There's only two races those racing for heaven and those racing for hell and here was a black man
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Why hanging in the pulpit and speaking the truth to black men? Why dr. Manning that really opens your eyes?
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To the long-legged mack daddy long before anybody else really saw it was Jesus, okay
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God it could not be more obvious. It's weird. There's a different vocal quality. I didn't use it really
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Yeah, I didn't realize that you could say black the way that you say Jew with a hard J
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Yeah, there's a hard B. There's yeah black like whoa
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Yeah
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There is that is uncomfortable to say at one time let alone every time you say the color and when I when I listen to
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It it did feel like yeah, this guy is being gross
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But then when I saw it in the waveform that was when I was like, oh man, there is something that completely
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Fucking weird and nothing about the way he's absolutely
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Absolutely audible nuts. Absolutely. And I this Jew is going out to Jews
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Doing things I think you and all the stuff and he's doing it to Jews like I think
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Man, I think you're right. I think that's wow. It's that's fucked up that you would even say it like that. Mm-hmm
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Yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah
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Also spoiler alert. There's an episode. I listen to that. We're not gonna be going over about how Jews need Jesus
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Oh, yeah, and man it is so fucked up
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It is just him sitting there being like I don't want to do this episode, but God has put it on my heart
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I don't you could know God. I don't want to fucking do this. Now. You could just say no
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I don't want to do this. Uh-huh guys. Hey, don't on Skype. I don't want to do this then don't
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Stop right there. Jews aren't saved
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All right, man, I
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Guess that's definitional in your world. Yeah, sure
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I guess
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Then he spends an hour talking about how Jews are the devil and how they're up like of their father and all that Wow
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And he keeps asking for like can someone say amen so I don't feel crazy
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It's
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That I like this show is why the the Jeb Bush, please clap, but if you're God like that, that's nice. All right
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Jesus so
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From the vocalization and the the verbal pattern we saw there. I got red flags
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Quite frankly white flags more or less
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And unless do you think that that was based on nothing here is coach
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I I don't think I don't think any single person listening to this point is like
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Oh, that's probably based on nothing. Well to be fair
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We haven't really seen racism necessarily
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Did you hear him say black? No, I'm saying other than that
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Well, I know but that seems like there's a backstory behind saying the word black like that like that you think but I just want
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To be totally fair and say like you might hear that and not think it's as big a deal as I don't know
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But this next clip is real bad see dr. Manning
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I'm for I forgot to mention the beginning your your church is in Harlem and what would most of us out here in the Midwest
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We would just consider if I dare say just a jungle we think of Harlem as being a jungle
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Whoa, you are right in the midst of it surrounded. I'm sure by
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Mainly black people living in that area
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You are a guy who rises up in his pulpit and begins to speak to black people that this black
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Savior Jesus the Savior at all and the truth is dr. Manning. I wrote about this
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I don't know a couple four years ago. Maybe it was I said that many boy using black
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More black than they are Christian and when you began to say that boy the feathers began to fly didn't they?
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Well when you said it no one listened because you have a very small audience and Reverend Manning said long-legged
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MacDaddy and everybody's like haha. Yeah, that's pretty great got a lot of attention for ya. So and he starts look this is gross
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I mean the the idea of calling Harlem a jungle is bad. That's bad number one
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Yeah, but then to then immediately say you're surrounded by black people
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That is as though that it's elucidating what you meant by jungle. Yeah, exactly
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It's the next thought that he has I call it a jungle cuz it's full of black people it is
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What are you doing? You are surrounded by black people right which he says as a
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Problem. He says you are surrounded by you're in a jungle as we assume in Ohio
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Once again proving Ohio should also be on our list of states with Mississippi and Louisiana. It's gonna end up being the whole country
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You're annoying Boulder Boulder you're doing all right you keep on doing what you're doing highest shit, but you're also annoying
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Yeah, actually I called it Boulder
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So, I mean this is just like I think having Manning on gave
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a coach sort of excuse and cover to be a racist asshole
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Oh, yeah, and Manning loves it because he also hates black people
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So the two of them just sort of tee off a bit and they have a great time
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They talk a bit about us nothing white supremacist love more than a black white supremacist. There's such a great moment the greatest
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There's such a great moment where they're talking about how Reverend Manning did that mock trial about Obama
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Yes, I recall and fucking coaches like I heard about that. I really wanted to come I wished I could have been there, right?
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I believe that I believe judge judge Reinhold was overseeing that trial less credible judge. I think it was Manning's mailman
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So they talk about that a little bit and there's this really interesting thing that happens
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Like Manning is saying like I live really close to Columbia University
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And I went down to the coffee shop and no one remembered him being there
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I went down and I talked to people at the the black bookstore and no one remembers him
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What's the turnover at that bookstore? First of all second?
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It just like he's building this argument about like I talked to a bunch of people
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no one remembers Barack Obama being there proof and what he doesn't do is talk about anything real like a
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Transcript from the university doesn't he does say that he did get a degree from Columbia
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But of course that is just cover
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That's the CIA got him a degree from there in order to who knows show me the birth
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Certificate see when you get like when you get these people they believe all of this like I talked to someone at a coffee shop
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They didn't remember him and that's proof that he wasn't there sounds right
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He does have a degree from Columbia which to normal people is proof that he went to Columbia
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I don't understand why you think they use that as evidence that he wasn't there cuz it's fake. Yep. That makes sense
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It's so nonsense. No, it works. So that's most of what they talk about is like these dumb fucking ideas
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and a lot of them in terms of the Obama conspiracies, we've already talked about because of
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Adjacency to Manning or Alex Jones, but a new one came up and I thought it was really fun
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Oh, we got a new conspiracy. So one more clip with Manning here. We get a new conspiracy. That is dumb
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They'll call you a birther anybody that questions any of his background that they call him names and try again try to discredit him
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but the fact remains that Barack Obama and
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Michelle Obama you call them long-legged mack daddy to discredit their law licenses now, dr. Manning you don't do that
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Just cause you get tired of
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Practice in law, you know, I'm an educator. I spent
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20-some years in public education. I keep my I keep my degree up. I keep my license up-to-date. Dr
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Manning who knows when I might need it. So why would I just good business enforcement his law license?
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The only reason you turn in a law license is to cut a deal with the bar to not
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Whatever it was
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Really that they found that you did
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You can cut a deal and they will allow you to surrender your license and therefore you will not be prosecuted and sent to jail
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Same thing for Obama same thing for Michelle
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Listen
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you don't go to Harvard and
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And get a law degree from Harvard and then turn around and pass the bar and all of a sudden turn that thing in
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Why are you you're not the surrender future over someone said well, you know, he's gonna be in a president
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He realized he didn't need a law license anymore
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I mean, he's not gonna be present forever. And besides there's no reason to turn in a law there plenty politics
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Yeah, you know how all the presidents just go back to the law, but you don't turn in your law license
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This is based on a chain email. This is just a chain email conspiracy that went around
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Okay, the people who are in charge of the like Illinois bar like now they weren't involved in any investigation
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Just the issue with maintaining a law license requires education
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You have to go in for classes and you also have to pay for the registration. Yeah like that
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Yeah, Michelle and Barack Obama decided that they didn't want to do that anymore as Barack Obama had been in the house
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Illinois House
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It had aspirations to become a senator and then become president and all that he had he had a path forward that he wanted to
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Go in and it wasn't practicing law whether it was even before that community organizing and things like that
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That doesn't require a law degree. All it does is cost you money and time so they decided
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We're not going to maintain this now
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Spoiler alert, even if you let your law degree lapse you can take classes and pay a fee and get it back
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Yeah, they didn't surrender shit
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Yeah
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none of that happened if Obama today wanted to start practicing law which by the way would be nuts and
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Almost inappropriate it would be insane
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Can you imagine if you're in court and the prosecutor or defense was a former President Barack Obama fuck that that is going to bias
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Oh, you think I think that would be a little bit
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But if you wanted to practice law outside of a courtroom or something like that
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Maybe give legal advice in an official capacity or something like that. Sure, which still would be weird
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But we should do that
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He could you just have to pay a fee and go in for like a update class or whatever
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That's all it would take because they follow the proper channels in order to inactivate their law degrees
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Actually, I'll be honest Barack Obama probably can't do that because his status is retired. He retired
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There's inactive and retired Michelle Obama's degree is just inactive
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Barack Obama's retired so he may not be able to just pay a fee and get back his his stat his standing man
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But all this is such bullshit. It's just a
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Imagine imagine if Michelle Obama just suddenly did was like hey, guess what? I'm a public defender now
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Like that would be bananas it would but I still have the same feeling that we already discussed that I think it would bias courts
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Exactly. I think I think it might be more problematic than it's worth
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Although it would be really cool if she took on only like big corporate clients or something like that
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I see a hero story out of it, but the finer details
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Do you mean people people like suing big corporations not like she takes on a Wells Fargo as a client?
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No takes them on exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but that'd be great. Yeah, we're just fantasy book in here. Yeah
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Yeah, so we're fancy booking public defenders. Yeah, so we have we have here
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the mysterious name of past assault we have a history of
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Having a CEO you tell you can't force religion on your kids right at schools and him being like mad quit
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Was he ever an educator? I mean, I know he was a coach. Did he did he teach like PE too?
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I can't speak to that. I assume probably yeah, so
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Anyway, we get back to this episode. Yeah and coach
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We got a new episode here of his show and the name of this episode was something that I could not resist
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because this guy
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ostensibly is just like a super religious weirdo. He's just a
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Horrible conservative dick. Yeah, but this episode covers some topics that feel very at home on wacky Wednesday
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Alien, listen, I'm gonna flip I'm gonna throw okay. I'm gonna throw something on the table right now
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Real quickly. We were gonna do a whole show on it and I left some of you hanging yesterday
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With this whole thing about the Mandela effect and matrix being in the Bible. Okay, that I could show you something Jared
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Let's let's do this real quickly Jared
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Let's it says line in the lane line in the lamb now guys as Jared's getting that up there
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I want you to turn to
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Isaiah 11, I think it's Isaiah you think as Isaiah 11 or Ezekiel
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There's six or Corinthians. I said have been first came only wrong or Elias the WWE superstar
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Could have been and and they're I'm listen
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I'm not gonna take the whole show talk about the man down there. Call it WWE fashion as we as we left yesterday
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So let me in the most simple terms that I can make it
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Let me tell you what's going on. They're talking about parallel universes, right?
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Oh universes Bernstein versus Berenstain Bears. That's totally get it. A lot of this stuff is all about artificial intelligence
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swear to God Sinbad was the superhero the
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Spectrum from the natural world in which we live to a what they're calling a parallel universe now
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I would call it the demonic realm I would call it
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different realms so
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What you these people are gonna call it parallel universes I would call it parallel realms
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That's a very different thing humans
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Of course, he blames Cern right in line with Project Camelot
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I I think Cern is at fault this fucking dick decided to do an entire show where well
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Actually, I'll say the first 20 minutes of it or just him talking about like some speech
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He's gonna be giving and like there's a cookout. I don't know. It's a lot of plugs in there
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But the rest of the show is all about the Mandela effect and he believes it's real
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And he believes one of the biggest proofs of it is God and that it's demons. No, it's demons. Oh, it's demons spoiler alert
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I think it's time-traveling demons, but be that as it may okay
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One of his big arguments is that everyone knows that this image of the Christian utopia is a lion laying down with a lamb
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Of course when in the Bible it says that the Christian utopia is a lion laying down with a lamb
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In the Bible it says a wolf will lay down with a lamb
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Now I will explain exactly why people misremember this in a minute and he accidentally does it Robert Blake
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Nope, we'll get to it, but he accidentally
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says why
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A little bit later, but he's going to make a huge deal out of this and how the Bible has been changed by demons
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Hey, wait, what stop it Jared this goes on for three minutes of history of talking about the lion laying down with the lamb
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But the Mandela effect has made it so you cannot find that in your Bible
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So he's just played a long clip of people saying the lion lays down with the lamb. Hold on. Okay. Okay. All right
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All right, hold your lines in line. I'm loving it. I like it
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Specifically wherever you are right now
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Look up Isaiah 11 6 and you will see the wolf also shall dwell with the lamb
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and the leopard shall lie down with the kid and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together a
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Wolf will lay down with the lamb. The wolf shall dwell with the lamb the idea real quick
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He just said the lion and the fatling there and someone one of the guys he has on skype
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Chimes in a little bit later is like a fatling. It's just a term for lamb
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He kind of already invalidated himself but
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of the lion and the lamb and Isaiah 6 and the wardrobe is
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No
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longer there
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That's the Mandela effect I'll get to it more here in a minute
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I'm just gonna I'm gonna throw that out there right now the wolf not the lion the wall
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So here's my problem with this theory. Do you have one? I have a number just one
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One of the big ones is so the Bible has been changed
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Yeah, but none of the other pop culture that involves this has you know what I'm saying?
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Like poems that have been written that involved the lion and the lamb and stuff speeches people have given now that changed now
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How is this just specifically one thing that has changed?
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This is my problem with tons of these the Mandela effects. Is that like they seem like okay, you have to assume
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malevolent
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intelligence behind the changes
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Otherwise everything else would have changed along with it, right?
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But it's it's not it's it's chaotic evil on our Dungeons and Dragons alignment
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I don't know if it's because it has to be it has to be it's it's almost it's almost
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Prank like to only change the one passage in the Bible that
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Ostensibly everybody is referencing in order to make everybody look kind of stupid
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Well coach likes to make the argument that this is why there's another verse in the Bible
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About how you need to write the Word of God on your heart, right because that's not going to change with a Mandela effect
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So he makes the argument that God was saying write the Word of God on your heart
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So when these demons time travel and go back and change things you will know the correct Word of God, right?
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Right. So so we're we're bordering on time-traveling Nazis trying to change the future somewhat
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Yeah
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My second problem with this is lion lays down with the land the wolf lies down with a man is a superficial difference that has
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Zero meaning the idea of it is a predatory animal lays down with prey. That's it
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That's all you can have the exact same meaning behind a wolf and a lamb and a lion and a lamb
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It doesn't fucking matter which again is why it has to be chaotic evil. Somebody just fucking with it's no it's not
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It's it's time-traveling. It's time
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Exactly. It's again. It's Loki. He's just trying to I wouldn't be surprised if Roger Stone had a time-traveling machine
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That's the type of shit. He would do just trying to trigger coach
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Worthwhile tasks. So anyway, this is if that's all stone was doing I'd be 100% on board with stones
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It's not the only Mandela effect. The coach is concerned with though and in this next clip
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He sounds like a goddamn stoned freshman in a dorm. I don't understand how Shazam
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Didn't star
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Shaquille O'Neal, but it's dead. Wait, it was kazam. This check and that Shazam was yeah, who cares? Okay
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I'm gonna show you I'm gonna show you a video here ready for your mind to be great. All right in your mind
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the little monopoly guy
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Mr. Money Bank money bags are close something like that
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I asked yourself this. Oh, that's the Mandela. You have a monocle. No, I didn't or not. You just think that cuz
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Do you remember the Berenstain Bears anybody remember the bear bears?
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Yeah, baby about when you were raising your kids the Berenstain Bears. How did you spell Berenstain?
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Didn't I remember how you spell Berenstain bears
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Depended on what part of the country you were in
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What? How did you spell it? I never read it
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On and on and on these anomalies are popping up
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People said well, that's not the way I remembered it
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That's why I witnessed has been proven to be kind of silly
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Did Forrest Gump say about life? What was life? What was this? What was that phrase? Do you remember?
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It was made of deer was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get
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So real quick the the Mandela effect that is about this is the actual quote from the movie is life was like a box of
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Chocolates, but everyone remembers it as life is like a box of chocolates
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Now the reason for this is because when Forrest Gump was speaking he was talking about
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Somebody what? Yeah, exactly. Now if you listened carefully that guy who just answered coach's question said life
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Was like a box of chocolates. He said it correct. Yeah, cuz he's part of the Mandela effect
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No, he said it accurately the way that the quote actually is now. Let's hear what coach says
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Immediately after that he just goes I never saw it
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Is it life is like a box of chocolates or life was like a box of chocolates
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When Forrest Gump was sitting there and he's saying to the girl beside him
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My mama always said that life is like a ball of
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Box of chocolates life is huh?
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No life was
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The now says okay. So Jared sit back with me. We may not watch this whole thing, but this is going to explain to you
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Briefly what the Mandela effect is supposed to be good play that jerk
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So the guy who answered it said life was like a box of chocolates when he said the quote and then as soon as coach
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Asked him is or was he started to question himself and said is huh?
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So the other thing after this he plays this long clip of people like it's just a video that some YouTube clip
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of someone explaining the Mandela effect about how it was named after the idea that this this one person thought that
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Nelson Mandela had died in prison, right?
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I realized that after the actual death of Nelson Mandela
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Posted about it found a bunch of other people thought the same thing too and then they started
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Yeah, so he plays the part of the video that explains
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like this all this phenomenon stuff
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But immediately stops it at the exact point when a memory researcher is about to explain
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Yeah, how all this works?
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There are suggestibility things especially when you hear things like it does sound it's a it's a memetic disease almost
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Yeah, yeah, it is. It is just a bunch of people
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Reinforcing their own like it's almost a pack animal kind of situation where it's better to agree with somebody than it is to disagree
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They're totally wrong. It is demons. This is so I know we don't understand the degree of this
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but we're going to
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We're gonna try to teach the next generation what the Bible says from memory of stuff that we've been taught or
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That's a line will lay down with the land will demons generation is gonna say dad. You're crazy. It doesn't say that
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He doesn't say that anywhere and with technology you got to think about before there were phones. They had no conception that you could send voice down a wire and voice would appear somewhere else.
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Yep, that's how phones work.
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They never would have believed it ever ever in a million years.
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Nope
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Well in about 7,000 years they would believe it.
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In our timeline that's being caused by things
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We are doing we've created the the machines that are creating the interruption of our physics
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What?
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This is accidentally a very strong argument for climate change.
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This is bananas
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Yeah, so he's like you couldn't have imagined the kind of damage that we would be doing with all these technologies we've invented
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Yep, expand on that. Agreed. Nope, not gonna do that. Oh, no
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Our universe. No, the problem is our technology has broken our timeline not our fucking planet
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Folks, think about all this
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Just think about this. Think about things that 40 years ago when you were a kid, just 40 years ago
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Time machines
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Sure
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Back to the future. Remember that? Back to the future. Remember that?
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Why? We've got to go back
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The history was disappearing right off the page as he was reading it, right?
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As his dad wouldn't stand up and be a man
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His picture was disappearing
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These guys just cannot figure out what reality is
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Is being rewritten. Think about all of the time travel things that we used to hear about
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Think about George Jetson when you were talking to people on television
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Think about his boy Elroy
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How otherworldly that all seems
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What I believe is happening is all connected to this whole thing of
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There's a robot man
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demonic otherworldly technology
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So real quick, I want to put a real fine point on that. He literally just said what I think is going on is
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Otherworldly demonic technology. Now hold on, hold on. Let me finish this thought
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Yes, I need to
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It's been around forever, Dave
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And we've learned how to harness
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Yeah, Rod
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Congratulations to Roger and his new grandson yesterday
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Thank you very much
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So when Martin Luther King had his speech
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And he said, the lion will lay with the lamb
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Where did that come from if that is wrong?
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Well, I can explain that for you
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The lion and the lamb thing is a very simple thing to explain
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Yes
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The lion lays down with the lamb comes from the Elvis Presley song Peace in the Valley
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Came out in 1957
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The other instances
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Demons!
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The other instances of people quoting the verse are actually people quoting the Elvis song
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Demons
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Because it has better rhythm
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Demons
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If you say the wolf lies down with the lamb
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It's kind of a little bit clunkier coming off your tongue
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There's an alliterative quality to the lion and the lamb
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Which is why a songwriter would bring that to the table
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The song would not have worked with wolf
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And Elvis took a creative license because
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The actual meaning is not changed by a lion or a wolf being the one that lies down with the lamb
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I don't know
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So all of the examples that he uses
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These people giving speeches, even Martin Luther King
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These speeches all came out after this hit song of Elvis's Peace in the Valley
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So it infiltrated people's minds
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This articulation of the lion lays down with the lamb
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Because it does sound better
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It sounds better than wolf lies down with the lamb
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This is a totally simple, and no one questioned it
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That's the bigger story
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It took 50 years for Christians to realize that they were saying the wrong thing
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We hate Elvis so much for his hips and all of that shit
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God damn it if the man doesn't write a catchy phrase
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But even if you don't realize that where that sort of, I guess, meme comes from
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That sort of linguistic change comes from
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That's most likely where it comes from
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It comes from someone taking creative license with a verse
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Elvis wasn't quoting scripture
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He was writing a song
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And so people, just because it sounds better, have used it
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And over time it's become the accepted version of what lies down with the lamb lion
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Well it's not like anybody
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It's not like Elvis was one of the biggest musicians of all time
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No, no
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I mean, dude, his later catalogue
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Way better
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No, it's like
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It's still a wacky Wednesday episode about that
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Yeah
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Go ahead, sorry
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So in the, wait, which, that was written in what, Isaiah?
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Yeah, Isaiah 11 6
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Yeah, so that would have been written in
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Before 1957
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Well
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I'll say that much
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It would have been written in what?
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It would have been written in Greek, right?
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Probably
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Yeah, something like that
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Maybe Aramaic, probably
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So why would anybody have ever needed to question the soundness of the phrase before?
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Well, yes, absolutely
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No matter what language it was in, it was a different one than English
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Yeah, exactly
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So it may have had a better roll off the tongue in that language than Wolf and the Lamb does here
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Yeah
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But the meaning doesn't matter, it's a, you know, yeah
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Yeah
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Why not?
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And over the years how scriptures have changed and all that stuff is
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The Bible can always be improved in English, it wasn't written for us
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Well, and when there are things
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Take a little license
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And when there are things in the Bible that are, like, sort of even, like, fundamentally different from what they might have been in a different language
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Yeah
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That's an interesting conversation
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Demons
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Is there a conversation about the difference between a lion and a wolf?
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That is not an interesting conversation
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That is something you should just let go of
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Coach does a whole show on it now it's time traveling demons
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This guy is dumb
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I like to live, I, I, I, sometimes I'm jealous of that world
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I know, I know
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Where it's like you can turn, oh, I remember it being Lion and the Lamb and instead it's Wolf and the Lamb
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Instead of thinking maybe I got it wrong, I'm gonna go with demons
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I'll try and come up with an explanation based in, like, how our brains work
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Yeah
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You know, like, it's just, it's a very simple thing and when you look at
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If you include the, like, especially modern phenomenon of trolling, which is the case with that
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Yeah, of course
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The, the Sinbad being in Shazam
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Right, right, right
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Instance, but like, a lot of these other ones that are kind of weird because there are some that I've even been
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Like, sort of taken aback by
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Like, oh, that's not what I remembered
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But
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Like what?
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Well, there was one that, me and Marty DeRosa did an episode of our podcast
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That's What They Want You To Think
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About this young lady who was found dead in the water tower of a building, a hotel
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The Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles
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Right, but that's what you want me to think
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Right, but when we did the episode, I thought that it had happened years before
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And it happened fairly recently to when we did the episode
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Uh huh
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And I had some sort of idea in my head that this happened a ways back
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I've known about this
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Right
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That sort of thing
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And I expressed that on the episode that we did about it
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And after the fact, I got some messages from people who were like, I also thought that happened years ago
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Yeah
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And it's unclear exactly why we thought that
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Yeah
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It's a collective remembering
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Yeah
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I don't know exactly how to explain that one
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But also in Snow White, the Wicked Witch doesn't say, mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all
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Uh huh
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But we all remember it that way because that rhymes better
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It rhymes great
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There's a, I don't remember exactly what the quote is, but it's not that
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Why can't
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I think it's, oh no, it's magic mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all
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Sure, maybe we could just call, maybe we could just recall, like let's rebrand the Mandela Effect
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From the Mandela Effect to
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Let's learn about memory
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Collective punch up
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You know, like we're all just kind of getting together and being like, you know what, that's not that great
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I remember it better than that because that has a better ring off the tongue
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Totally
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So that's what it is
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Yeah, totally
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You know, it's collective punch up
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But it's also like a version of insecurity to not distrust your own memory
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You know, because you do have a skewed perspective on everything that's happened
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It's always come from a subjective perspective
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Right
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And then on top of that, over time you lose pieces
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Yeah, of course
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And take more information, so it's not like
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Well, and I mean the limitations of what your brain can hold
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Like the simplest example is the, I can't remember what video it is
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But it's the one where people are like bouncing balls back and forth to each other
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And then you watch it the third time and then somebody's like
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You realize there was a gorilla, there was a man in a gorilla costume walking through there
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And you're like, well I didn't even know that
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And you're like, okay, well fine, then the brain isn't trustworthy so fuck off
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I get it
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If you focus your attention on something, you miss something else
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Yeah, exactly
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So fine
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And then with Berenstain Bears, like of course you thought it was spelled Berenstain
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Right
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Stain is a normal suffix for names, stain isn't
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Right
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So of course, and you read those books as kids
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So like, or you're reading them to a kid and you don't give a shit who wrote it
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Or you are an anti-Semite, that's also possible
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Any of those things are possible
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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So anyway, another similarity with Alex Jones comes up towards the end of this Mandela Effect episode
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And that is
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Collective Punch-Up episode
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He doesn't turn off his phone while he's recording
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Why is the, hey guys listen to me
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I don't know what's going on with the Mandela
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But those of you sitting in your churches every Sunday comfortable
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Understand what's going on in the world that people are seeing and
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I gotta call him, call him back, I'll tell him
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It's the president
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Hey guys, I'm in the middle of my show, I'll have to call you right back
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Wait, he's in the middle of his show, he answers you? You can silence it
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Will you guys understand everything I bring to the table
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Send it to voicemail
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I don't say this is fact, this is truth
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I'm saying, have you looked at this?
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Have you looked at this?
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You just Google Mandela Effect and see how much information you see on the Mandela Effect
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And does the average person sitting in the church, have they ever heard of the Mandela Effect?
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And I would say no, they've probably never even heard of it
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Is it in the Bible?
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And I would posit
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Change the Bible
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That some of it might have to be doing with the demonic realm
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It has to be
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You've nailed it
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I would posit that as well, Dan
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I mean, alright, great, so we have here
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It has been noted
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I wasn't saying great to you, I was saying great more in general about his position
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It's like, so this is some hot shit
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I like that he's like, I think, and I'm putting forth the idea that this is demons and it's Cern's fault and all this
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But also, do you fucking understand that the things that I bring to this show are not truth?
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They are just
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That's him trying to wiggle
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But you know what?
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Now you all Googled the stuff that I lied about
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And probably believe those lies because of the lies that I believe
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Well, and it's his way of trying to wiggle out of talking about stuff like this in an irresponsible way
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But he wouldn't want that same standard applied to when he talks about God
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I'm just saying things, I don't know if they're true
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Well, if that's what your show is, you talk about really bigoted opinions about things that you think God is telling you to talk about a lot
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Is that just not true, possibly? It's just things you think?
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Because if that's the case, that's on you
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That's on you, that's not on God
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Well, God isn't giving him any guidance on this Mandela Effect episode
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He's not too sure one way or the other
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Obviously because demons have changed his memory of when God started talking to him about the Mandela Effect
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If you recall, at the beginning of this episode, I played the intro to Pass the Salt
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And it specifically says that everything that's said on this show is God inspired
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Yeah, but he doesn't know that
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Mandela Effect
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Anything is possible
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Exactly
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Well, Jordan, now we're going to get to some less fun elements of this gentleman, this coach
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And in this next clip, we start an episode that was a couple days after Charlottesville
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Oh, no!
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And some of the stuff he has to say, first of all, I'll say is profoundly stupid
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That's better than how it
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Well, there's going to be some of that other stuff too
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Never mind, some of it is just patently stupid
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And I'm like, I don't understand why you think you know what you're talking about
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And then the other stuff is dangerously bigoted
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And we get into it here in this next clip where he explains what he thinks is really going on with the folks who are protesting
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I don't want to know that
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Eh, you're going to have to find out
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Damn it
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And I hope that when my funeral comes that they don't have to stand up there and lie about me
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I hope they're going to be able to stand up there and say nice things about me
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They won't
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I did some good things, I did some bad things
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What are they going to say about you when you die?
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Yeah, a 14-0 record
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You know, Abraham Lincoln was a scoundrel, they just won't tell us that he was
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He's a scoundrel
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Martin Luther King was a womanizer, we know that, probably a communist
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You're not allowed to say that, though
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He's a socialist
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Right wing watch
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Because what they're doing is they're rewriting history
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And so what's going on, I talked about this yesterday
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Western civilization is under attack
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They're trying to tear down all of our heroes
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And what, come on now
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Lincoln was gay
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Why are you trying to tear down the heroes in the South, specifically?
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Oh boy
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I hit the Pauls button
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Can anybody tell me why they are so intent on tearing down the Confederate heroes?
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Yes!
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They still consider us the Bible Belt
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Say that again, Ray
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Yeah, Ray
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Well, they consider the South the Bible Belt, that's the stronghold of Christianity in this nation
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Not why we call it that
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Unbelievable, isn't it?
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Say it again, Ray
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Isn't it unbelievable?
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That's it
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You guys know Robert E. Lee was a great Christian man, don't you?
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You know that?
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They don't teach us that in history
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He was a great Christian man
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We don't have time to talk about Robert E. Lee, so we won't
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Calm down
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So, it's an attack on Christendom, Christianity is being attacked by these godless liberal forces that have interjected, whatever
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And what is it they really have against slavery? Like, really?
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Well, they really, well, I mean, people like Coach and all the people who are weirdly chiming in, they have no interest in talking about that
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No, but I mean, like, what do they have against it? Like, what is it with all these liberals trying to rewrite history and say slavery was bad or something?
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They don't bring that up at all, except for a little bit later, one of these people on YouTube does say, like, it's such a myth that it was about slavery
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It was about states' rights
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Sure, what a tired argument
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You guys
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, alright
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Do better
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Just say you want slaves, come on
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So, in this next clip, we get just sort of more, you know, explication of the same theme, which is just that Christians are victims
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Coach, you're struggling. Here's what I'm struggling to get you to see, folks
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They're rewriting history
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The left
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Demons are?
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Oh, the left is
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The winner's right history
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Sure
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Shakespeare said, uh,
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Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your account
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I'm very seated to praise him
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The good that men do is buried within
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Now, the evil that men do is buried within, the good is often carried with the both, so let it be with Caesar
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And then he went on to praise Caesar
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We make up stories about people who die, we make up stories, we pick and choose what we're going to know about, what we're going to remember about
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We used to remember the George Washington chopped down a cherry, no, yeah, he chopped down a cherry if you couldn't tell a lie
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That was Abe Lincoln, he couldn't tell
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Nope
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Oh boy
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Wow, that was, that was nuts
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That is a lot
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That's a lot to be wrong about at the same time
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Liberal rights is holy, not anymore, everything's changed, see
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And everything's changed because they're trying to do everything they can to undermine our Christian civilization
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So, that is really what he believes is going on
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Just say you want slaves
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No, it's an undermining of our Christian civilization
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I know, but just say you want slaves
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See, but here's the problem with you, you're so focused on race and this idea of racial clashing and all that stuff
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And little do you know that that is just a tool of the CIA
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I did not realize that
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You should have known that from all the times Alex says it, and what do you know, Coach believes that too
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Great
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This whole idea of race wars is a CIA made up concoction
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And the churches are completely and totally, totally consumed by it, divided by it
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Again, I did a little bit of Facebook research yesterday, I can't believe the people who don't get what's going on
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At least he's more honest than Alex is
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I am a white nationalist, any white nationalists on here with me?
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Hey Vince, are you a black nationalist?
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Did you just say you're a white nationalist?
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You're a nationalist, you believe America first, right? You believe you're America first
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Now Vince, if you're a black nationalist, does that mean that you think blacks are superior?
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You're not allowed to say black anywhere
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Of course not! If I'm a white nationalist, does that think I think whites are superior?
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Yes!
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Of course not!
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No! Yes!
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They're the ones who told me, my color, I should be a Christian nationalist
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No!
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Not a white one
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That's even worse!
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All they're doing, the same thing, is to try to divide and conquer the church
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You better not miss this
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All of that stuff going on down in Charlottesville, all of it
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Right wing watch, this will be your headlines tomorrow
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No, stop it
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What's going on down in Charlottesville
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Stop it
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Is to try to get the white Christian man to shut his mouth and go into hiding
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That's all it's designed to do
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I'm fine with that if anyone's
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Black Lives Matter marching in the street
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Oh no
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They honor homos marching in the street
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Oh no
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The boy when the white guy comes out, it's racist!
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Oh boy, Dan
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The reason for that is
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The times that people call white people marching racist is when they're marching for racist reasons
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No, it's because they're celebrating
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No, it's not that
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No, you know, it's like how the pride parade is also all about how all other gender orientations should be subjugated, right?
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People don't have a problem with St. Patrick's Day parades
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It's all white people
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Oh, well, that doesn't sound right
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So look, here's the problem here
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What is it national, not St. Patrick's Day?
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Here's the problem
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Coach is a white nationalist
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But he also doesn't understand what that term means
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I think he does
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Coach seems to be beholden to a very stupid idea
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Namely that the term white nationalist just means that he is both white and a nationalist
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And that is not at all correct
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That's what he's expressing in that clip
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He's just saying that I happen to be a nationalist
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I believe that our country should come first in the world
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And I'm white
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Not recognizing that white nationalist is a compound term
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White nationalists very specifically believe that the country they have nationalist feelings about needs to be dominated by their race
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In our present situation, they believe that the United States is a white country and must remain a white country
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And thus things like immigration, multiculturalism, and miscegenation are outright attacks on the continued survival of the white race
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While this is pretty clearly a racist position, most white nationalists are cowards
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And they hide behind the idea that what they're concerned with is preserving the culture
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Unfortunately this too is an absurdly racist idea
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Because its very suggestion implies that the existence of non-white people in a white culture
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Would make the culture that's created inferior than it was before
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Right? I mean otherwise I don't understand other
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He wouldn't be arguing about it like if it makes it better, if it makes all culture better
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Right
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I think it'd be a fine argument if there were like 50 white people left and you were like
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Oh yeah we need to preserve that culture
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Cause they're going extinct
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Sure
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Now yeah
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That's not the case
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Perhaps yeah
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That's super duper not the case
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In the same way that we protect like those unvisited tribes
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Exactly
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But the argument has to be that we're protecting culture and by that it means that non-white people coming in ruins the culture
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Yeah exactly
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Or the only other approach I can imagine would be to argue that culture is static and unchanging
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That a white culture that exists now or has ever existed is exactly the same as it's ever been
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Of course this is also a stupid idea
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There's no set culture that these people seek to defend other than the status quo
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Where whites assert a dominant level of political, financial and social control over non-whites
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Of course because this is an ideology that is on the one hand purely based on race
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And at the same time desperate to appear like it's not
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Which always inevitably leads to super fun arguments about what kind of white is white enough
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You see this idea pop up all the time when white supremacist worlds start talking about how Jews they look white but they're not
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Right
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You see it in World War II how Hitler ordered war crimes against the Slavs
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Because he felt that they had dangerous Jewish and Asiatic influences
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They weren't white enough
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This argument always ends up cannibalizing itself
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Of course
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To a certain extent
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Yeah
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It becomes a definition of nationalism
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It becomes a definitional thing in a way that doesn't reflect what reality is or even
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Like whiteness, we've talked about this all the time
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It's an exclusive idea
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Yeah
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It's always been an idea based on defining who isn't white not who is
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And when you dwell in that sort of world
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White nationalism is specifically about retaining power in the people you deem white enough
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Of course
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I don't believe that Koch understands that
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I really think he's stupid
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You're giving him that benefit of the doubt
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No, I think he's stupid
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Okay
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Because what he, you can hear it in his voice
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There's like, you know, I'm a white nationalist
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I'm white and I'm a nationalist
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I don't think he understands that there is a thing that is white nationalism as an idea
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I think he thinks it's two discrete ideas being white, which is just coincidental and being nationalist
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Which is his position
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You're giving him a lot of the benefit of the doubt
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I've listened to enough of him to know that he is fucking stupid as shit
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That's true
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I've listened to him enough to know that he's fucking stupid as shit
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I think he is a huge bigot and I think he could accurately be described as a white nationalist
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But I also don't give him enough credit to think that he knows what that means
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I think he feels those things but doesn't, he hasn't done the homework to even deserve my scorn
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On that level
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Okay, alright
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying
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That's where I'm coming from
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Yeah, I see what you're doing
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I pity him but it's not from a place of like, I think, like he's 60 something years old or whatever
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I don't think that he has Alzheimer's or he doesn't know what's going on
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He's just a dumb old white man
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He just doesn't
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Which we know so many examples of
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Unwilling to put in the amount of work that's required to talk about these subjects
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Even in an elementary way
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Like I think if we put in much more work, we could talk about them much deeper than we do
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But he's just totally fine with not even the surface
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The ether above the surface
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The flowing wind of nothing
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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So anyway, in this next clip from the same episode
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He ends up talking about a source of information that he is into
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This just came out today from The New American
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The New American is the John Birch Society
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Oh, God
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I'm on their mailing list
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Mailing list
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Thanks
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The New American, this came out, look
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Tax upon Robert E. Lee statues betray historical ignorance
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You did see, didn't you, that other cities now want to tear down the statue
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They want to tear them down
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I want them to tear down the statue of Margaret Sanger
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Is anybody with me on that one?
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Where's that statue, dumb fuck?
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Like, what specific statue of Margaret Sanger are you talking about?
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The one in, uh, let's go with
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Are there even, like, conservative protests at Margaret Sanger statues?
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Yeah, all the time
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But even if there were, I don't think anybody would be like
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So many
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Wouldn't end up in a fight
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No, there's the one in, uh, you know that Margaret Sanger statue?
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Yeah, we all know about tons of Margaret Sanger statues
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The fuck out of here
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The fuck out of here with that stupid nonsense
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The one in, uh
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Here's the thing
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No, the Sanger statue
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Right
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In
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The famous one
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I'm not going to deny that there probably is a statue of her somewhere
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But he doesn't cite where there is one
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Or what's making him mad
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It's just the idea of her having a statue
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And while I'm on the subject, I'm fucking down with her having a statue
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Yeah
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He and I could get into an argument about why that's not relevant
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I just think he's trying to pull some sort of name
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Uh, that he thinks there's a statue of somewhere
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In order to beef up his claims
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Now, hold on
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The John Birch Society put out this article in The New American
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Where they said that criticisms of this Robert E. Lee statue
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Yeah
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They express a misunderstanding and a
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That was about, I was about to start yelling about that
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A complete lack of awareness
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Yeah
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Of history
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Yeah
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Right?
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Complete lack of awareness
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The Robert E. Lee statue
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Definitely not a larger awareness of history
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The Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville is what centered around the
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The protest that ended up revolving in a murder
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And, uh
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A murder that is now legally confirmed
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He was convicted of murder
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Is that right?
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Yeah
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I had not been keeping up with it day to day
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Today, he was convicted of murder
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Giving up that we recorded this almost a week in advance
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Sorry about that
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Come on, we're trying to pretend this is a
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No, we're relevant
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Um, so
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The statue is at the heart of the matter
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Yeah
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And he's reading this John Birch Society article
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About historical ignorance about it
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We're all so ignorant
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Now, here he starts to read from the article
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And then editorializes on it
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Then I have a very important point that I'm going to make after this
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About how he is ignorant of history
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The New American
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Taxponed Robert E. Lee betray historical ignorance
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You ready? Listen to this
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After the tragic events in Charlottesville, Virginia
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precipitated by the city government's decision to remove the statue
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Confederate Robert E. Lee from Emancipation Park
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Yes, that's why they were invented
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Isn't that something?
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Robert E. Lee is in Emancipation Park
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So they put a park up honoring the fact that the slaves were emancipated
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And they put Robert E. Lee in the middle of it
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Why?
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Because they knew who he was
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Not who they're telling us he was
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Huh?
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The people who put up the statue of Robert E. Lee
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Knew who he was
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Well, I mean
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Well, yeah
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I want to talk to you about this statue
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The statue of Robert E. Lee that was erected in Charlottesville, Virginia
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Was commissioned in 1917, a good 52 years after the end of the Civil War
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The mid-1910s in America were an interesting time from a race perspective
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If I understand my history correctly
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There were a lot of statues that came up in the South around that time
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Certainly, and then also during the Civil Rights era
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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Almost as a way of rewriting that history
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In order to support their own arguments for why they should continue the mistakes of that history
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You've hit on the bigger point, but let me walk us through it
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So in January 1916, Carter Woodson
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Considered by many to be the father of black history
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Founded the Journal of Negro History
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In October 1916, Margaret Sanger started her family planning organization in Brownsville, Brooklyn
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Which aimed to provide healthcare to impoverished, largely non-white communities
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To give them control over their own bodies and choices
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In March 1917, the Jones Act granted Puerto Rican citizenship
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In July 1917, a labor dispute exploded into a race riot that left 250 people dead
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In August 1917, The Messenger
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An African-American political and literary magazine began distribution
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It was a wild time as significant progress was taking place in terms of race relations
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And simultaneously there were still high-profile lynchings
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And plenty of outright racist violence that was completely state-sanctioned
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The issue here is that the time was one where it was clear that things were changing
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Moves were beginning to be made to empower the disempowered
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Disenfranchised communities were beginning to create their own spaces
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Whether it be these publications or Hubert Harrison up in Harlem
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But it was also a time when terrorizing minorities was still totally okay
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Oh, and Birth of a Nation came out in 1915
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Which led to the founding of the Second Clan that same very year
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So we're living in the aftermath of that
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And this is the stage upon which our play takes place
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The statue of Robert E. Lee as well as the accompanying statue of Stonewall Jackson
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Was paid for by a guy named Paul Goodlow McIntyre
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The park that contains the statue was also paid for by McIntyre
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And it was called Lee Park
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It wasn't renamed Emancipation Park until 2017
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The year that Charlottesville City Council voted to remove the statue
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So his whole point about the Emancipation Park
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And they put up, they made a park in honor of the Emancipation
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What a historically ignorant fuck
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So his whole premise is completely blown out
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That
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Just from that
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That is bananas
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Yeah, yeah
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They renamed it Emancipation Park in honoring of taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee
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Yeah, I was gonna say
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It did, like whenever he started screaming about that nonsense
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I was like
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The only way that makes sense is if they made the park
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Or like an Orwellian nonsense
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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Or like they made the park
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Everybody saw the statue and they're like
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You know what?
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Fuck that guy
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Let's make a park around this
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And make an ironic name called Emancipation Park
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And it took till 2017
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In order to give him a fuck, yeah
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2017
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Ah, no, we're doing great, Dan
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Of Paul McIntyre, University of Virginia history professor John Mason said
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Quote, he was somebody who deeply believed in the cause of the South
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Was honorable, he believed that the cause was honorable
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And that the people who fought for it, especially Lee and Jackson
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Were historic, heroic figures
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He was part and parcel of what historians now call the lost cause
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This idea of the noble South
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Which celebrates a romanticized view of the Confederacy
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That slipped away, stripped away slavery
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Stripped away the brutality of slavery
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I can't imagine why they would want to do that
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Stripped away the heartbreak of slave sales
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Stripped away all the ugliness
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I don't get why white people would want to change that history
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So while McIntyre was a super philanthropic person
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Who gave generously towards the goal of beautifying the city of Charlottesville
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It's important to point out that most of the things he was paying for were all segregated
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Do you mean whitifying the city of Charlottesville?
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Lee Park, where this statue of Robert E. Lee was erected
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Was a whites only park
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The same is true of
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Oh my god
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The same is true of many of the schools and libraries he paid to establish in the city
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As professor Mason puts it
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Quote, that new public library was segregated
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He gave money to schools
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The schools were segregated
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So everywhere you look
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McIntyre's gifts
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While in the eyes of white Charlottesville
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Are beautifying the city and honoring its glorious past
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If you look at them through the eyes of black Charlottesville
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They're enhancing the segregation of public spaces
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And celebrating the defense of slavery
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So while it would be
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So you could call him a white nationalist
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While it would be beyond my knowledge
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To express that Paul McIntyre's desire
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Was to participate in the systematic terrorizing
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Of the black population who's beginning to make progress towards greater equality
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It's not beyond what I know to say that that's exactly the result of his actions
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Widening the educational gap between white and black students
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Creating beautiful public spaces where black citizens weren't welcome
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Then in those supposedly beautiful spaces
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Creating idols to the revisionist history
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That minimizes the history of the enslavement of the what
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Parents of then residents of Charlottesville
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It's pure racial terrorism
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There's no two ways about it
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On some level I know that people like Coach understand this
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And they're carrying on that tradition themselves
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They probably don't realize it
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But I know on some visceral subconscious level
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They fucking understand that
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Absolutely
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And that's the historical truth of all this
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Where there's smoke, Dan
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There's probably Nazis burning books
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But that's the historical truth of all this
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He's talking about this John Birch Society article
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About how there's revision of
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It's a historical ignorance about Lee
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I don't even want to fucking talk about Lee
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Let's talk about that statue
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That's the truth of that statue
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So what are you going to do with that?
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You're just going to lie about it
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And you're going to argue that the ultimate bigotry in the world
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Is against whites
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What do they call the South?
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Don't they call that the Bible Belt?
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Isn't the South the Bible Belt?
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Don't those in Washington DC and George Soros
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And all those God haters
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George Soros?
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Those people down in the South
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What are we doing?
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What are we fucking doing?
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They're hicks with no teeth and pieces of straw in their mouth
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Come on, don't they think that's what they are?
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Isn't it the ultimate form of bigotry
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Of what they think about those Southerners
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Who want nothing more than to preserve their heritage?
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The ultimate form of bigotry
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And he dropped George Soros in there
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Isn't that fun?
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The ultimate form of bigotry, Dan
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Right
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The ultimate
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The apotheosis of bigotry
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Is characterizing white people in the South
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As having straw in their mouths
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And missing teeth
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Yeah
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I do agree that that's actually a stereotype
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That has outstayed its welcome
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Yeah
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Especially as somebody from the heart of the Midwest
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And someone who's been to the South
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I don't fancy myself like a country boy
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Or anything like that
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But I know a lot of country people
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And I love them
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I haven't grown up in the situation that I have
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Of being so inundated with
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People that most people think are hillbillies
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Or dicks
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Yeah, no no no
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I would call you a hick sympathizer
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Absolutely
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I'll wear that
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I'll wear that for sure
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It's not an insult
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No
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There's so much
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I do believe that our culture as a whole
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Does get too much mileage
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Out of making fun of hillbillies
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Yeah but that's
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And even the term hillbillies
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A little bit
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But I mean that's just like
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I believe all hack jokes are bad
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Like I'm fine with that
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Sure, if we want to go one by one through them
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Yeah
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I think it might do us all a bit of good
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Yeah
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That'd help
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The only point I'm making here
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Because I'm not going to validate his points at all
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But I do think that there is a kernel of a fair point
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In a lot of angry white dicks
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In that that punchline has been totally fine
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And just because you walk around
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Like in the South
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And you hear a bunch of people talking
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It doesn't mean that they're dumb
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Of course not
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It doesn't mean that people have less value because of it
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Of course not
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You validate your own biases
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By finding people who fit close to stereotypes
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And I think that it goes unexamined
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More for hillbillies than others
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And again I keep saying hillbillies
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It's not the word I would like to use
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But it's what I'm choosing to use
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For the white
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What about the ones from Beverly though?
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Wow those guys were rich
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The caricature of the dumb southern white guy is
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It is an unfair archetype
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But on the grand scale of things
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It's somebody from Chicago going to anywhere in the world
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And saying look at how funny these people talk
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Let's make fun of them
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I get that
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You didn't let me finish my thought
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I didn't
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The end of that thought was going to be
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On the grand scale of bigotries
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This one doesn't underlie a deep tradition
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Of let's say slavery
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Or those sorts of things
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So I think it does
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Like we talk about triage a lot
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Like there are problems
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I was about to bring up triage
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We can recognize that there are a hundred problems
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And we will sometimes not talk a ton about problem 70
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Because problem one, two, and three are oppressing
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That sort of thing
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And I kind of think it's that same sort of thing
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Yeah
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Now people like Coach probably argue
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That white is number one problem
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See now that is elucidative of what the problem is
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A little bit
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So this is the last clip from this episode
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The biggest point that I want to make
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Is that he doesn't understand
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What the fuck the conversation is about
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And what that statue was
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What it represents
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The context of its construction
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There's a bunch more of these statues
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That came up
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Made by the Daughters of the Confederacy
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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They were fucked up
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Largely speaking
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They came up and were erected
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During periods where non-white people
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Were making inroads into power
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And that sort of thing
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And it was used as a terroristic tool
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It was a reminder of
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We enslaved you
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Okay, so what you're saying
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Is that during time periods
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Where in America
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Traditional minorities make gains
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In how they live their lives
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White people
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I don't want to say overreact
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I'm going to instead say
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Go batshit fucking insane
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In order to try and destroy
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Any gains that are made
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And memorialize in an intimidating fashion
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In public spaces
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The history of repression
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And rewrite that history
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In order to make it look like
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Benevolent
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They weren't the oppressors
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But in fact they were the oppressed
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At the time
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Right
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It's co-opting the very oppression
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That you are acting upon
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Statistically that does track
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So we have one more clip
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And I think
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When I made that argument
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When he started talking about
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How he's a white nationalist
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I do believe that he's dumb
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He doesn't know what the term means
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In as far as the term
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Yes
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Not his actual beliefs
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No, no
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I think he is a white nationalist
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He's a white nationalist
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But he doesn't know
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That he's a white nationalist
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Yes
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He thinks he's a white nationalist
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But he's a white nationalist
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And I think that this clip
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Better makes my argument
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That he's stupid
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And doesn't understand
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The conversation that people are having
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Okay
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See, white, they are making
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It's part of the deal
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They're making all white nationalists
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I don't like the way he says white either
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All of them
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David Duke
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David Duke
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All white nationalists
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Why they are KKKers
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And they believe in white supremacy
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And they want to put blacks in jail
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And lynch them
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Isn't it funny
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It's the same thing they say
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That we do in guarding women
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We want to take away abortion
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And put them on their tennis shoes
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And put them back in the kitchen
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And take away all their jobs
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Do you understand
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It's the same tactic
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And do you understand
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That what is happening
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Is brave
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Well, that's not true
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The average Christian man
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Wants no part of it
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He is going to
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Hear no evil
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Screech
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Hear
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And
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Here, I'll do this one right
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Hear
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Screech
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And see no
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He is going to shut up
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And he's going to have his six pack of beer
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And he is going to
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Let the world go to hell
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Except
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There's something going on
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So it was very very important
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For Soros
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And his crew
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When that party was down there
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Those white nationalists
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Had a nationalist
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Meaning America first
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I'm a white nationalist
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That's not the meeting they had
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I'm an American first
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I couldn't care
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That's about race
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I ain't got nothing to do with it
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They always say
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They made sure
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That when those white nationalists showed up
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That they were violent
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See, they're violent
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Those white nationalists are violent
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Let me throw in real quick
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They should change
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They've been doing this white nationalist crap
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All over TV
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They should be calling us
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Right thinking Americans
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But Vince
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Our team is buying it
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Our team is buying it
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Our team is apologizing for white nationalists
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Who's on your team?
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I'm not apologizing for white nationalists
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When you say team
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Who includes your team?
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I think that he thinks of nationalist
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As a noun
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And white is simply an adjective that is describing that noun
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A nationalist that happens to be white
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I think if you hear that
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You just hear someone who doesn't understand
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And in Charlottesville
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There were white nationalists
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There were groups like Identity Europa
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There were groups that are specifically white supremacist groups there
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So because he's so stupid
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And he doesn't realize that
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What he wants to defend is nationalism
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Why is it a problem that I'm white and a nationalist
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Accidentally
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And probably spiritually
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What he's doing is vociferously defending Nazis
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Yeah, I was gonna say
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I get that he's not understanding
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I mean, I get that he's not understanding the term
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In a grammatic structure
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But he is espousing
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The very beliefs that the
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You bet
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He is saying that he's not a white nationalist
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In the term, in the way that we are using the compound term
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Yeah
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But he's saying white nationalist things
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In the way that we understand the compound term
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You bet
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That's dumb
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That's astonishingly dumb
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Right, but I do think
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And I'm not giving him like a way off the hook or anything like that
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No, no, no, no
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I really don't get the sense that he understands even the conversation
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No, it's not like you're
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It's not like you're giving him credit
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It's like you're taking even more credit away from him
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Which leads me to sort of the weird sort of place where I'm like
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If he understood what white nationalist meant
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Would he
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Would he change his
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Would he be against it or would he be for it
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Right
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And that question I can't answer
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Because then it would turn into optics and stuff like that
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Of like, should I be defending these people who are Nazis
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Right, right, right, right
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Should I do that
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I don't know
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Well, the only thing I can think of
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But the question is open
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It's nebulous
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I have no fucking idea
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No, the only thing I think
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While listening to this guy
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Is that if it were still culturally acceptable to say the n-word
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He would throw the n-word around all the time
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Spoiler alert, he does
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God dammit
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Not throws it around
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But like he is so fine saying a hard r
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Like quoting stuff
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Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah
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This dude's a bad dude
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I don't have any clips of that
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Just because it was like
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I don't want any clips of that on my show
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He had a long jag about the Democrats
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In the civil rights time
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Not talking about the party switch
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No, no, no, they never do that
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It's strange how they never do that
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The Democrats are racist
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He demonizes Democrats using n-words and such
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Good work dude
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Yeah, who cares
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Oh man
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I don't know what to do exactly about his race stuff
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Except to say it's fucking stupid
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And racist
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But it's interesting to me
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And that's why I think this is a possible
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Someone who we can look more into and enjoy
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Because I sincerely believe that there is a chasm
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Between reality and what he's understanding
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And that's interesting to me
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It is interesting to me that he expresses
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Very clearly white nationalist positions
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Talks about how I am a white nationalist
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But it's clear he doesn't know what he's talking about
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That kind of stupidity
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And brash like
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Like confidence is interesting
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I don't see that very often in people who have
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Hundreds of hours of episodes available
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For me to look at
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Yeah, he's bananas
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And the way he said white too makes me
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Almost
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Like almost
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It's like it's just whenever he talks about race
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That voice comes out
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Yeah, or not even just that
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Like it almost makes me concerned
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That anytime he says any color
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It's weirdly like
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Orange
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Oh, I'm gonna
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What, we're gonna see these
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Pink people walking around here
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You want me to watch the blue man group?
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Yeah, oh man
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Have you ever seen Green Room?
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It's a great film
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About white nationalists
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You know that at school
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They want to call people
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Purple penguins?
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Alright
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Yeah
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How many more colors do we have
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And how much more time do we have?
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I'm out
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But we have got to get to the end of this episode
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Okay
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And unfortunately
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We have one more clip
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That Coach has put out
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And in this clip
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Would you call this clip a
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Red ball?
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It's a red flag
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Dude
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In this clip
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It becomes clear that Coach is a little bit of a fascist
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Also
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Well, well
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In his defense
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If you are a coach
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Chances are you're a fascist
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It does seem to run
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Or parallel to
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Yeah, they have a lot in common
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My heart's a little bit heavy today folks
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I just
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Oh, I'm sorry
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Are you okay?
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I'm a guy who studies the culture
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And I just
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No you don't
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I was on my computer
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As happens with so many times
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And all of a sudden I had one of those little pop up screens pop up
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And the temptation to click on that thing
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And have some pornography come before my eyes
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Was a very, very strong temptation
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As always, I don't care if you're a man
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I don't care who you are
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That's one of the greatest temptations in all of society
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God, his browser has to be
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Disgusting with bookmarks and fucking
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They seem really radical to you
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But we seem to be rational people here in America
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Do we?
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We want to ban guns
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Do we?
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We want to ban drunk driving
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Do we?
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We want to ban all kinds of things in America
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I reject your premise
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I believe it's time for us to once again ban pornography
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Hey, come on now
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Pornography's not free speech
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That is not a free speech issue
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It is
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Why not?
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Here's the deal
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Buddy, get a pop up blocker
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Get one of those things you can put on your computer
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That just blocks all pornography
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There's so many apps and programs you can just install
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If you try to go to a porn website
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It will just put up the
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Nope, this is blocked
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I do not want to see his
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Internet explorer toolbar heaven
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There's so many technological solutions
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To the problem that he's expressing
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I don't want to be tempted by this stuff
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Well, number one, that's on you
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Choose your battle, buddy
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Choose what you do
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Aren't you a conservative?
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Isn't this about personal responsibility?
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No
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So secondarily
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Not free speech
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There are crutches you can use
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Because people do have problems with online porn
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It can be an issue
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Yeah, absolutely
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So those things, those nanny things
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Yeah, yeah
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They're there
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You can use that if you don't want to be
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Child locks
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It is a free speech issue, my friend
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And the reason that a lot of this is very important
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Is the things that we see in the world
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Like FOSTA and SESTA
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Those bills that went through
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That were pretending to be moralizing
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About people advertising sex work online
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And all they wind up doing is demonizing sex workers
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And just any non...
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They end up turning it into a thing
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Where if someone kills or assaults one of them
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It becomes incredibly difficult
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To track down who that person was
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It forces sex workers to go out into the streets
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As opposed to being able to create their own safe spaces online
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Where they can choose their clients
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It creates an incentive for pimps to show up
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And start systematically abusing people
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What he's doing is trying to create this moral idea
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About like, hey, it's bad to look at porn
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So let's get rid of all of it
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But the functional reality is what he's advocating for
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Is further and way worse victimization of people
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But that's always...
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That's the entire rights policy
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I am...
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Tax cuts are the way to go
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Now admittedly every time we run one of these massive tax cuts
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It creates a massive government deficit that we ultimately hate
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But ideologically we still have to support tax cuts
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So fuck that
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We hate abortion
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We hate the murder of unborn fetuses
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Now of course we're against birth control
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Because that's the same thing
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Only that leads to more murders of unborn fetuses
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Oh well we hate abortion in all of its forms
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So we're gonna outlaw it
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Of course that leads to more illegal abortions
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And it leads to more death
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But ideologically it sounds right
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So we have to do it
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We can't actually look at the result
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Of the dumb shit we believe
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Otherwise we would have to accept that the dumb shit we believe
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Leads to the worsening of the shit that we ostensibly are fighting against
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Yeah, the desire for control is real
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The fake reasons we are saying we want these things to happen
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They all fall apart upon closer analysis
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Yeah
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And just from a real baseline
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Hey we're America standpoint
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Hey we're America
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Hey...
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What is the problem with porn?
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It's a consensual act between adults
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Uh uh, regulate it
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I'm anti-regulation but we need to regulate porn
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So a consensual act between adults can't be videotaped for other people's enjoyment?
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Nope
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Immoral
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That is a crazy slippery slope
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Till now we can't allow video on the internet
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I don't accept slippery sloper arguments
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I'm in the right wing
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So it's nuts
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Anyway in this next clip
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Coach sort of expresses that he hangs out exclusively with liars
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And I wonder if we were to go into not only a local church
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If you go into any local business and if you were able to get an honest survey
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What like a Costco?
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I wonder how many people in that business or in that church are regular viewers of porn
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That's a dark dark secret isn't it?
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Nope
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I think it's kind of an accepted open secret
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Nobody likes to talk about the fact that they're looking at pornography
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Because we know this don't we?
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That the end result of pornography in most cases
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Oh no
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And men in particular are looking at pornography
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What is it?
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That ends up in what?
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In masturbation
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No man wants to talk about that
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No man is proud to say that he does that
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My friend you gotta hang out in my circles
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Dude this is crazy
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This is a lunatic
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As a professional comedian
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A lot of people like to talk about it
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A lot of people enjoy it when you talk about it
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Even if it's not that good to talk about
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I do remember this
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I'm not so young that I don't remember
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And maybe it's just a function of whatever age you are
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But I remember being very taboo in high school
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Oh for sure
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That sort of thing
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There was a lot of everyone pretended they didn't masturbate and didn't look at porn
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But as you got older it's certainly not the most polite topic of conversation
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You and I are good friends
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But if we go out and get a drink I'm not going to bring up porn stuff
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We're not sharing
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Yeah yeah yeah
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But at the same time I'm not going to deny that I look at porn
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Or something like that
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I'm not going to create a false reality
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Wait wait wait wait wait what?
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I think he just lives in this weird false reality where everyone's like absolutely not
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I think he just watches a shit ton of porn
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Well
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And look I mean I get it
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You're wrestling with your addiction and I understand
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And you lash out
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Nope
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And then publicly you try and destroy it
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That's so much weirder than that
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It's so much weirder than that?
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You're close but this story is so crazy
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So I'm strangling a prostitute
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Here's our last clip and it's where Coach makes his plea about his position on pornography
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And how dangerous it is
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But even worse than that
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Pornography is destroying this land
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It's destroying families
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It's destroying careers
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It's destroying oh my goodness our young people
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I remember when there used to be standards in our movies
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That you just they were what they were R-rated and they were GP
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And now the stuff that comes across our movie screens is just unbelievable
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It's insidious
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But if you if you like me happen to be somebody who enjoys just being on the computer
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And doing research on the computer
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Nope
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And understand how easy pornography is
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Is this his final answer?
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Folks we've got to ban pornography
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And why is it in today's society that we are locking up people who merely view pornography
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What?
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And we're not doing anything about those who produce it
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What?
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It's a supply and demand type thing
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Wait what?
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And many people are finding their lives ruined because of an addiction that got to pornography
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We want to stop smoking
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We want to stop drug use
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We want to stop all types of bullying
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What?
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Pornography is the greatest scourge in America
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And I say it's time for us as a God fearing decent people
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To once again ban pornography
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This is Coach Dave Daubermeyer, news of news.tv
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You really needed to form that in the phrase of a question otherwise it's not a correct answer
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Now Jordan it would be easy to see coaches comments about pornography
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And write them off as just another right wing Christian fundamentalist asshole
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Who doesn't want anyone else to make their own moral choices
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However there's a larger reason why coach has his specific complaints about pornography
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Because he has his own pornography production company?
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Particularly the ones that don't make any sense
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Why is he saying that people are going to jail for looking at pornography
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That's absolutely not true unless the pornography they're looking at is the illegal kind
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Is child porn that he knows people
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Oh my God! Holy shit! He is the Joe Paterno of Jesus
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So that sentence in that one clip made me fucking curious as hell
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Yeah of course
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The idea that he's saying that people are going to jail for looking at pornography
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It's like no they're not unless that porn's illegal
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It made me really curious
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Oh no
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As it turns out in 2007 Coach's son pled no conscience
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Oh no
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To a felony charge of pandering obscenity involving a minor
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No!
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In non-legal language that means he was caught with child pornography
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Coach's son's computer broke and when it was taken into the shop
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A bunch of pornography featuring underage girls was found on it
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And the repairman called the police
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According to the police they found 37 still images and 26 movies
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The files were labeled in such a way as to make it very clear
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That any person who had those files on their computer
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Could not be unaware that they featured illegal acts
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He was sentenced to five years probation and put on the sex offender list
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To his credit Coach's son stuck to the probation and engaged in rehabilitation
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And from all sources I can find including testimony from his therapist
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He dealt with the underlying issues and has never reoffended
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None of that is to let him off the hook
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It's just to say that he was a super privileged kid
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Who ended up being given a chance to save his own life
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And he didn't reoffend
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Now this is most of the information that's available from court records and news articles
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But I found a different document that shed some interesting light
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Onto the case of Coach's son
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Oh this isn't going to go well
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He'd been a teacher which obviously
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Oh no this is super not going to go well now
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Well he obviously had to quit that job
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When he was arrested for possessing corn
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So he needed to find a new career
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Coach got him a job as an administrative assistant for a lawyer that he knew
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And Coach's son began to find a passion for law
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He went on to study and attended law school
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Graduating in 2011
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At that point he had to apply to take the bar exam
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Which presented an interesting problem
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That had to be decided by the Supreme Court of Ohio
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You can't be a sex offender and a lawyer at the same time
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You see the issue was that the Ohio bar didn't allow a mission of
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Quote, a candidate who has been convicted of a felony
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Before the candidate is released from parole, probation, community control, post release control or prison
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That rule however does not mandate the disapproval of applicants
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Who remain obligated to register as sex offenders
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During dependency of their applications
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Cause nobody thought that would be an issue
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This was a technicality that they didn't know what to do with
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Yeah
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So they did an investigation and the results of that investigation are public
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From this document you find that it wasn't just an instance of this guy having illegal pornography
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Oh no this is going to be a huge hammer isn't it
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It was a habit
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Oh no
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Coach's son had been downloading, trading and sharing illegal pornography for five years at the point when he was caught
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Oh boy
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They found quote, he committed his offense as an adult
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And despite his professed interest in videos depicting underage girls
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Or I'm sorry teenage girls
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Some of the files found on his computer
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No, no
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Involved young children
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Uh uh, no
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Young children
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Jesus fucking Christ
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The Supreme Court of Ohio ultimately decided to deny his application
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Saying quote, we are also concerned that even as a college student
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Dobbin Meyer failed to appreciate the gravity of his conduct
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Or the fact that the children depicted in those illegal materials were in fact
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Victims of his conduct until after he was caught
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Holy shit
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So it's clear that he was up to some really bad stuff
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But this podcast isn't about Coach's son
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It's about Coach
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In the investigation regarding Coach's son's application for the bar
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His therapist Candace Risen was interviewed and she said the following
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Quote, based on her treatment she believed that there were two primary issues
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First she believed that his repressed upbringing caused him to seek sexual experience vicariously
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Rather than engaging in age appropriate sexual conduct
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Yeah of course
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She also found that he had developed anger toward and resentment of his father
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Who set high standards for him and who would have been subject to embarrassment
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If he failed to live up to those expectations
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Hearing those sorts of things make it pretty clear why Coach thinks we need to ban pornography
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And it's not because of God
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It's because it's a convenient way for him to pretend to address the issues of his life
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Without having to wrestle with the possibility that he is raising his kids in an abusive household
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That leads to this sort of thing
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And again none of this is to let his son off the hook
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And the reason I'm referring to him as Coach's son is
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There's no need to put his name out
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Right there's no
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And anybody who looks into it can find it out
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It's all public and all that stuff
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But I'm not here to beat up on his son
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I mean I think he's awful and this is terrible
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That's a terrible terrible behavior
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Yep
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I do appreciate the idea that he has been rehabilitated as best as possible
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And all that and so that's great
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But the reality of the situation is Coach is coming out and he's expressing this thing of
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We need to ban pornography
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And in his pitch for it
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Banning something that adults can choose to do with each other
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And a lot of people really fucking enjoy
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And doesn't hurt anybody and actually helps a lot of people
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So the rhetoric that he's putting out into the world specifically hurts sex workers
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Who are by and large women
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There are men but it's a lot of women
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And queer folk
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The reason that he's doing it
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It's very clear when you look into his past and his life
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That's what's doing it
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Because if he had a principled stand that was based on something else
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In the middle of his pitch to ban pornography
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He wouldn't say they're sending people to jail for viewing pornography
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Because that's what they do when people view illegal pornography
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Which is what his son was doing for five years
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He doesn't have a point
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He's acting out
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That's fucked up
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It's fucked up in a way that is
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Even
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Like
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To a certain extent
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Of course you empathize with this kid
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Because his dad is this fucking guy
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In the same way that you empathize with a serial killer
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When he's like nine years old
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And his abuse is rampant and rife and monstrous
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And you're like I empathize with you
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But at the same time a lot of people get abused and don't turn into pedophiles
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So I get that
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But at the same time a lot of people are pedophiles
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And unfortunately the way that human sexuality works
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You don't always get to
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And I don't fucking know
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I don't have like an answer for this
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This is just fucked up shit
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And I don't have a
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God I want this to be a simple thing
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Where I can just be like
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I'm against this
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But that's what he's doing
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He's turning it into something where it's like
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This whole thing is not an issue
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What's an issue is I get to say
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This is the problem
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And I have the solution and it'll never be a problem again
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And that's not how we live
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He's pretending that the reality of his personal life isn't real
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He's creating a fictionalized version of all of that
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In order to create ways to advocate for
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Controlling other people's lives
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Who aren't doing these things
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There was another clip I was going to play
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But it just felt stupid
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And that was a video coach put out about how the pedophiles are coming
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In the same way that Alex talks about
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And when you see the reality of like
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Your son was arrested for sharing child porn for five years
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And only got caught because his computer broke
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And didn't realize that they would find it when it went to the shop
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And you've got to imagine that he probably wouldn't have stopped
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If the computer hadn't have broken
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If he hadn't been caught, why would you?
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So him trying to create this very Alex Jones-ian narrative
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Of the pedophiles are coming
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With that awareness is very hard to look at
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And then at the same time
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I mean we talked about this earlier
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He started that Minutemen group
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That advocated for Roy Moore
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And spoiler alert
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After all the news came out about Roy Moore
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He put out videos
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I stand with Roy Moore
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So when you look at the concrete reality of situations
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He's on the wrong side of everything
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Yeah
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He's pretending that he's on the right side
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But everything is wrong
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Everything
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Everything
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His idea of historical context about Charlottesville
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And slavery and the civil rights is fucking stupid
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His position on pornography can't be trusted
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Because he clearly is acting out some sort of unresolved feelings
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He has about his family
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You can't fucking listen to him about the Mandela Effect
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Because he's
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I mean you shouldn't listen to anybody about that
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Well you shouldn't listen to anybody about the Mandela
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Except for accredited psychologists who are studying
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Memory experts
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Hey yeah yeah this is fucking stupid
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But this is a mess
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This is a mess
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This guy is a mess
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This is a tremendous mess
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Oh man
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And it's all the worse
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It's all the worse because he's so clearly just fucking stupid
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He is very stupid
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It is all the worse
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If he wasn't stupid then I would fucking be fine
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With whatever misery occurs to this man
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But if he wasn't stupid he would never have said
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People are going to jail for looking at pornography in that clip
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That is a strong indication that he is fucking stupid
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Because that's what's underneath it
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An anger at the idea that his son got in legal trouble
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For looking at child pornography
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When what really should have just happened is it should have been banned
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Except for it was and it is
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And that's the problem
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Right the law is in place
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And your son ran afoul of that law
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Yeah we already solved that one dude
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Well you should be making a video about it
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Well we didn't even solve that one
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What you should be making a video about is
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I'm angry at my son
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He caused shame for me
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Because I consider him an extension of myself
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And that's one of the reasons why it even feels kind of weird
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For us to be talking about this
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And why I don't want to say his son's name
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Because it's the context of talking about him
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So it's not like
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It's not like what his son did is what he did
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The only reason it's important is because it informs his rhetoric
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Right
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And the way he puts it is that it's not something
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The way he puts it is that it is something that is happening to him
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In a larger sense
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Not even like
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And we need to change that with laws
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And even more unfortunately
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Not even something where he's like
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Condemning his son along with it
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Can't do that
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That's too much of an attack on himself
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Yeah it is a condemnation of every other thing on this fucking planet
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Probably the gays
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But what my son did
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He was seduced by the gays
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He was seduced by George Soros
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There was a pop up
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He was seduced by all of these things
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There was a pop up
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Yep
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That came on his computer
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And he got addicted to pornography
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And then what do you know?
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Yep
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It has nothing to do with
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Everything is about personal choice
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Except for when my family does something
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That is their personal choice
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That went badly
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Then it's everybody else's fault
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And then we need to create near-fascistic laws
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About what adults can do with each other
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Of course
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That's the only way to keep our kids safe, Dan
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So anyway this has been a fucking rollercoaster
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This has been fucked up
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I told you when we were talking about Charlottesville
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That there was still a hammer to come
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And boy was there
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You, you
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Wow was that hammer harsh
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Yep
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So if you guys
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I do say even having said all that we have
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There's more in this coach basket
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Jesus
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That we can talk about
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And if you want us to do more episodes about him
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Let us know
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We may do that
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I think that he is fertile soil
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In terms of the amount of content that's out there
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And a couple of things that I fucking know about him
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And I kind of want to do episodes about him
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I would be fine with doing future episodes of Coach
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Yeah
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I am against doing this episode of Coach
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Ever again
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You are
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This episode
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No
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I don't want to do this
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Now that we've got this episode on the way
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Future episodes
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Yeah
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Fucking yeah
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It's the peeling off of the band-aid
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Yeah
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All this introductory information
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Wow
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It's a mess
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But we hope you enjoyed this episode
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Ugh
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If not
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Sorry
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Also we have a website
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It's knowledgefight.com
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We do have a website
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It's knowledgefight.com
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We're on Twitter
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We're on Twitter
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It's at knowledge underscore fight
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We're on Facebook
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You've been to Facebook before
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But have you been to our group?
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Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant
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No you have not
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And maybe you should
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Or if you have
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Keep on doing it
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Oh boy this is the exact opposite of last weeks
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Uh
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This is intense
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Last week
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Last week
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Last week we had a heroic journey into fucking acceptance
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And this week we have some sort of a
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Fall
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Freegean fall into the midst of destruction
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Look at the last three weeks
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One week
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This crazy preacher who wants to murder gay people
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Second week
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Crystal child who makes good
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Third week
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This guy who's adjacent to the guy who wants to murder gay people
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And has a bunch of really stupid
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And horrible things in his life
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Whacky Wednesday is getting real wacky
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Yeah
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That's crazy
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We should call it whiplash Wednesday
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Yeah
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Oh that might be better
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That might be better
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So anyway I don't want to say anything good about any of these people
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No
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I will say that
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Charles from Final Table and Rodrigo
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Oh yeah no they're both great
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They never killed anybody but what they did
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You can't prove that
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What they did do is express beautiful art through food
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And it was so great the way that Charles
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Charles especially would like pay homage to the ingredients
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That he was using
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I remember
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Did you notice that?
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I did notice that
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I thank the sea for this
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Which could come off as fucking super obnoxious but somehow didn't
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It did from time to time
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It seemed reverent to me and I loved it
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They didn't just express themselves through that avenue though
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They also expressed advocacy for renewable food sources
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Absolutely
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For vegetarian food sources
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Yeah
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They were different ways of thinking about the things
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Like I think in the first episode they made a what like a cricket taco or whatever
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Yeah
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They were trying to
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Bring awareness to alternative proteins
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Exactly
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While at the same time making delicious food
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They had a point
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They were awesome and they never killed anybody
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I can't prove that
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Charles and Rodrigo did not kill anybody
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Can't prove that
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But one guy did
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Technically
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Probably
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And his name is Alex Jones
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Andy in Kansas you're on the air
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Thanks for holding
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Hello Alex I'm a first time caller
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I'm a huge fan
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I love your work
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Thank you
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