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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan!
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan!
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What?
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Dan, what's the dumbest thing you've ever done?
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I don't know, probably that episode on Monday, I don't know if I fucking know.
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I don't know.
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Dumbest thing I've ever done?
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Yeah!
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I've done a lot of dumb stuff.
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Yeah.
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Jumped off roofs before.
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Right, I got you there.
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Yeah.
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We're one and one so far.
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Are we playing Never Have I Ever right now?
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I think that's what we're doing.
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The rest of this episode, to lighten things up, a three hour version of Never Have I Ever.
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No, I've done a lot of really stupid stuff though.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, why?
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Well, because I have spent all day furious.
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About something stupid you did?
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No, just about all the dumb people.
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Just all the dumb fucking people.
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After Trump put out the fucking nobody gets a pay raise bullshit, and you're like, what
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the fuck are you idiots doing?
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Half of you, this even counts for like the ICE people who are loving all of this shit.
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They don't realize that everything is fucked over them.
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It's stupid.
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They're so fucking stupid, Dan.
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And I'm sick of reading takes.
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I gotta get off the internet forever.
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I can't read anymore takes.
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Everybody's got a hot take, Dan.
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Yeah, and they're not as hot as people think they are.
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No.
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They're generally Luke at best.
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They're generally terrible.
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Yeah, but I mean, what is this show, but our take on Alex Jones.
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Exactly.
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You know, let's cool out with that criticism.
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Kettle, pot, et cetera.
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More or less.
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You know, what you gonna do?
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This is an episode of a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones, Dan.
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And therein lies the fun.
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You are effervescent.
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Yeah, you know what?
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I mean, I've been in a bad head space since our last episode.
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I think I've come out of it mostly,
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but it would be an understatement
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to say that it didn't have a very serious effect on me.
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And even in preparing today's episode,
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I'm finding it incredibly difficult to listen
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to Alex Jones anymore.
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It's too hard to recognize little pieces that
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are very familiar to Anders Breivik's worldview.
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And having glimpsed at that, it is much less fun
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to listen to Alex Jones because the stakes
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feel a lot different.
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And granted, they aren't different.
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It's the same stuff that we were covering before.
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But there's just a reality that's hard to cope
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with mixed in there.
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One thing I will say that was fun,
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and I hope you can agree with me, is on Tuesday,
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we went and hung out with Far Out and I-9.
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And that was fucking great.
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Absolutely.
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They were great.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Super fun time out at the show.
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Good to see you, old buds.
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Matt Riggs, and Nate Burrows, and Joe Fernandez,
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and Dale McPeak.
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Not a huge fan.
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Some fine comedians.
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You don't like any of those dudes.
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No, no.
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I'm against them.
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You're real.
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I'm out on comedy.
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I think comedians, I think, yeah, there we go.
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That's my position.
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Don't steal mine.
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I'm not going to start screaming about things.
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Yeah, it was a great time.
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And actually, I'd like to take a moment
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to celebrate Far Out because we are a little over 200 episodes
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into the podcast.
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No shit.
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Yeah.
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You know a lot of people that keep track.
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Yeah, we forgot.
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Numbering episodes is not really our strong suit or anything
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like that, but I recognize that.
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And he made our logo that we've had as our logo
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on iTunes and everywhere.
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And it was great.
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We love it.
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But it's a little bit possibly a time for a change
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now that we're about a little over 200 episodes in.
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And so we got a new logo.
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And I want to say a very special thank you
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to Catherine for designing that.
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We really appreciate it.
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It should be in your iTunes if you want to enjoy it.
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Oh, it's already up.
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It's already live.
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It should be when this episode comes out.
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So wonderful.
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Thank you to both of them.
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Thank you to Far Out for that awesome logo
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that has gotten us this far.
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And thank you to Catherine for the one
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we're going to be writing into the future.
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Absolutely.
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Thank you to both.
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Times of change, times of winds blowing in, I don't know.
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Whoa, where was that going?
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I don't know.
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I was going to try and maybe quote something.
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I dug into my bag of quotes and found zero in there.
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I don't know.
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Maybe a song lyric could have been in there.
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I was trying to improvise a quote.
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But it turns out you can't do that.
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You just got to know them.
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You're lucky I didn't just stare at you and say Walt Whitman.
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Something like that because I was close.
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William Shakespeare.
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Yeah, Shakespeare.
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Yeah.
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So that's awesome.
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And I'd like to thank them.
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But at the same time, I'd also like
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to thank a couple of new donors to the show.
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This is very exciting.
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I'd like to say special.
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Every thank you is special.
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But I'd like to welcome aboard as a policy wonk, Dakota.
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Thank you so much.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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In a very weird turn of events, I
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think we have multiple people named Dakota donating
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to the show, which I think is great.
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What?
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I don't know.
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I mean, the only Dakota I know is Fanning.
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Sure.
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It's not her.
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South.
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North.
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North.
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Sure.
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None of them.
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None of them are donating.
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But thank you so much, Dakota.
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We really appreciate it.
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Also, I'd like to give a shout out
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to someone who came in at a little bit of a higher level.
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And we really appreciate oh so very much.
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I believe that this is a pseudonym.
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But thank you so much for becoming a technocrat,
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alphabet flight.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much, alphabet.
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Thank you so much.
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I assume that's a, is that Chris Martin and Gwyneth Paltrow's
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kid?
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It could be.
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Yeah, that's probably one of them.
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It would have to be if Chris Martin got together
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with Jason Lee's wife or Jason Lee got together
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with Gwyneth Paltrow.
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I assume that is something that happens on the weekends.
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Or it could be Tim Cook gets together
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with Jason Lee's and his wife.
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They have a love baby, the three of them,
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because alphabet is Google.
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Oh, OK.
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Jason Lee's kid's name is pilot inspector.
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OK, there we go.
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So we're close.
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We're figuring out.
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It's not the best, but alphabet flight is the best.
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Thank you so much.
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What we were doing was creating an alphabet soup.
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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So Jordan, today what we're going to be doing,
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I, like I said, doing that episode
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that we put out at the beginning of the week
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was incredibly emotionally taxing.
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And I did not feel up to doing an episode on Wednesday.
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So sorry we missed that, folks.
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Neither of us did.
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Don't take full credit for it.
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But I know, I just want to explain for the listeners
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that's, you know, that happens.
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Yeah.
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Rarely, but it happens.
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Yeah.
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And so today, getting back in, I was kind of like,
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hey, let's do something light.
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Let's go for Project Camelot.
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And I looked at the episodes, and I'm like,
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there's nothing here.
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There's nothing I want to dive into.
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Yeah.
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And it was like, hey, let's go.
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It was weird that she had Anders Breivik on as a guest now.
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That would have been weird.
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Yeah, you know what?
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He was off planet when that attack happened.
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It wasn't him.
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It wasn't him.
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It was set up by Minerva.
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And the Raptors.
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Yeah.
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That is probably going to be something
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she weaves into within the next six to nine months.
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Fingers crossed.
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Yeah, let's hope.
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But I also was checking out Jim Bakker,
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and I just didn't, it didn't do it for me.
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And so I was like, well, there's a lot going on
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in Alex Jones's current world.
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So let's just do it.
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Let's do a current one.
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And so I went in.
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Again, effervescent you are.
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I went in.
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And I checked out September 3rd, not September, August 30th.
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Yeah.
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Owen Schroyer is hosting.
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As it turns out, Alex Jones was in court on Thursday.
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Which kind?
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He was in court for the Sandy Hook lawsuit.
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Oh, OK.
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His lawyers had a motion to dismiss, which was denied.
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Of course.
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And so the trial will be moving forward.
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His argument that it was just his free speech was thrown out.
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Yeah.
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So that argument didn't fly.
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Did the judge laugh in his face?
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Did he get up off the bench and then just stare directly
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in his eye and fake laugh at him?
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That would be fitting.
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Yeah.
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I'm not sure.
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So Owen Schroyer was hosting today as we were recording this.
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I'm like, I can't cover that.
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Let's check out the 29th.
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And you know, there's some stuff in here.
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I don't know what to tell you.
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We will return to regularly scheduled fun next week
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after we've fully recovered from Monday.
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Well, you know, what I wanted to do more than anything
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is do the 2009 stuff.
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But spoiler alert, there is a lot
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I need to get straightened out.
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He gets pretty deep into some Oklahoma City stuff.
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Oh, boy.
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That I need to finish my research on.
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Yeah, I really don't want to do the turnaround of white
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terrorists to white terrorists.
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No.
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Let's move that on.
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That might be our Monday theme now.
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Monday episode theme.
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Monday's white terrorists.
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Wednesday's is Project Camelot.
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So we officially ruin everybody's starts of the week.
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Yeah.
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No, look, dude, there's some stuff going on in this episode.
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It's pretty interesting on a number of levels
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and upsetting on a number of others.
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But that's what the Alex Jones show is.
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Now let us start with an out of context drop
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from today's episode.
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What does Speedy Gonzalez say?
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What does Speedy Gonzalez say?
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He can't remember now.
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Undeley, undeley, undeley, undeley, rebar, rebar, rebar,
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rebar, rebar.
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Undeley, undeley, undeley, rebar, rebar, rebar, rebar.
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Kind of fun to do that.
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Yeah, it is.
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That's coke.
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That's coke.
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That's a man on coke right there.
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So mark that off as the first impression of the show.
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We'll be getting a very much worse one a little bit later.
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That one counts?
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Yeah, I think so.
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He's trying.
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I love the confidence of a man who's like, what is that?
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What does Speedy Gonzalez say?
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No, what does Speedy Gonzalez say?
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Arriba.
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What do I say?
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What are we?
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Who am I?
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Yep.
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Four ways to learn.
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You're getting ahead of yourself.
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There might be some esoteria in this episode,
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which is super exciting.
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I'm all for it, all for it.
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But Alex is starting today's episode off
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in the exact same way he starts every episode nowadays off,
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which is getting real grandiose about the midterms.
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69 days, ladies and gentlemen.
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69 days until the most important election in world history.
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The planet is at a crossroads.
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It is undoubted.
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The globalists are trying to shut this nation down.
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We are struggling as hard as we can
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to expose their operations.
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It is a neck and neck battle, ladies and gentlemen.
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Neck and neck.
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So we have the theme that's developed
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where this is the most important election of all time
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for all planets and everything.
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And then, of course, the same thing
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that he has to do all the time.
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The Pleiadians would disagree, but we're not all there.
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We don't know their electoral history.
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That's true.
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And then the other thing there you heard at the end
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is that theme that he constantly uses, which is like,
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it's basically a tie ball game.
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It's basically a tie ball game.
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Oh, yeah.
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We're crushing them, but it's also basically a tie ball game.
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Bottom of the ninth, three to three.
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Of course, even though it is tied,
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we have been destroying them the entire game.
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Everybody knows that.
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Yeah.
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Makes perfect sense.
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It's really the only sensible way
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you can get more money out of people
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when you have this world view going.
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So that's all pretty sensible.
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I think that's exactly where he needs
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to be from his business model.
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Right.
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I understand it.
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Broke.
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And so the one thing that I didn't tell you
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is that that clip right there where he's starting the show
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happens at the 20 minute point of the episode.
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He's 20 minutes late for the show.
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Probably, and maybe he was in court on that day, too.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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They just play like reports, special reports.
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Oh, OK.
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Weird techno music with Alex's drops
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over it talking about, it's chai cobs.
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That actually sounds way more fun than what we're doing.
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We should just listen to that, quite frankly.
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Why aren't we starting 20 minutes into it?
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Yeah.
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It's a good call.
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Just techno music with us screaming over it.
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So he gets in 20 minutes late, tells you
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this is the most important election ever.
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Everything is neck to neck.
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We're tie ball game.
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Tie ball game.
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And then he plays a long clip from Tucker Carlson
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where Tucker is talking with a former Clinton strategist who
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they're talking about the idea of online censorship
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and stuff like that.
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And look, I hate listening to Tucker Carlson.
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I think he sucks.
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He's a douche.
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And I don't care.
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This is a show about Alex Jones, specifically
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not one about Tucker Carlson.
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Right.
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For a good reason.
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But he says something in this clip
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that makes me kind of worry about his grasp
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on the issues, perhaps.
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OK.
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And remember, they're private platforms, they say.
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So they're not actually subject to the First Amendment
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unless we get some legislation here that says free speech
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is an internet right.
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It's totally meaningless.
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If I own a toll road, I can't say any one of a certain race
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can drive on my toll road.
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So they're not actually fully private companies.
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We have a public interest, I would say,
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in keeping them free and open.
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Well, I would say that there already
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are rules about excluding people based on race or gender
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or anything like that.
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That's called the Civil Rights Act, bro.
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Do conservatives think they're a race?
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I think that they do.
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Well, yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah.
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So then.
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Yeah, they think that they have.
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And it's not even conservative because we have to.
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We can't play the game on their terms
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because that's how they are describing it.
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Right, right, right.
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I apologize.
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They're describing it as conservatives
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are getting kicked off.
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Right, and Nazis are getting kicked off.
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Not just even Nazis.
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It's people who are having the consequences of their actions
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come home to roost.
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It's a situation where people who
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are putting dangerous ideas out into the world,
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violating the rules of platforms,
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are just getting kicked off of them.
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It's not conservatives.
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Again, the problem that I keep bringing up
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is when you have these rules, it's good to have these rules,
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but you can never enforce them appropriately.
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What's the name of the underground people
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in the time machine?
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The Morlocks.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Can we just call them the Morlocks then?
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Like, if they want to consider themselves a race,
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let's just make sure that there's a pejorative term.
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I think they would love that, though.
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I think they would get a real charge out of that.
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Yeah, but they don't understand why it's an eff.
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OK, never mind.
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They don't understand anything.
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That's a good point.
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Of course they would get a charge out of it.
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And Tucker doesn't understand when
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he's bringing up the idea of, yeah,
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that you can't have a road and not let black people on it.
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I'm like, yes, absolutely.
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Good call.
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That's because of regulation that libertarians are against.
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Yeah, but only when it applies to other people.
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Right.
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They hate it whenever you regulate anything that
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then makes them feel bad, Dan.
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Regulations are important when it's you who feels bad,
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and they're not important when everybody else feels bad.
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But the analogy that he's trying to make with the road,
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comparing it to Facebook, I suppose, or Twitter,
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the analogy he's trying to make is already taken care of.
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Right.
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Like, Twitter couldn't say no black people.
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They couldn't say that.
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That would not fly.
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It wouldn't fly.
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No.
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No, no.
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How would you even police that?
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It would be tough, dummy accounts and whatnot.
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But no, that would not work.
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That wouldn't go well?
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No.
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You don't think so?
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In the same way that if a restaurant says no black people,
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it's not OK.
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OK.
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You know, the problem is already solved
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that he's talking about, or he's trying
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to make the analogy for it.
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Right.
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No, he's fucking stupid.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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That's all I wanted to say.
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But that's what they have to do that.
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They have to turn that like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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How dare you say that just because we lie and threaten
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people with physical harm, we're not a protected class
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like black people.
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It's racism to say that you can't harass women.
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Right.
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It's racist against me.
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Yep.
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A Nazi.
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It's racist against Nazis.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I don't know, man.
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It's a tough rhetorical hurdle.
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I think that when you're in a safe cloistered bubble
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like Fox News or Alex Jones' show,
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it's really easy to make like that sort of wiggle,
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that argumentative wiggle where you're like,
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hey, it's like keeping black people off a road.
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You're like, no.
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Anybody who was at all critical would be like,
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what are you talking about?
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That's ridiculous.
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Exactly.
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How dare you try and bring that into this conversation?
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So I don't know.
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I don't have much more to say about that,
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and I don't want to talk about Tucker more.
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So let's get on to this next clip
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where Alex does what he does best, my friend.
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Absolutely the best in the business at this.
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Selling things?
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Nope.
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Oh, OK.
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He's pretty good at that, too.
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But he's the best in the business at demonizing
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and dehumanizing his opponents and his enemies.
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He is pretty great at that.
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Which we get to see in full swing here.
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There is a way to beat the globalist,
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but people have to be serious.
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They have to be adults.
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They have to know what's going on.
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And they have to understand the true criminal nature
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of the Democrats and the foreign corporations
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and the communist Chinese that empower them.
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These are the most psychotic, sociopathic, vicious, hateful,
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dishonorable, dishonest, truly wicked people
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who hate America and hate your family
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and just viciously have a total will
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to dominate and run your life.
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Are there no mirrors there?
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They are eugenicist to destroy the family,
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to make you totally depressed, to take everything away
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from you, and then put you into a virtual reality
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where they can steal your soul.
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They are completely turned over to what
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can only be called the devil.
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Whether you believe in that as a spiritual force or an archetype,
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it's real.
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OK.
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Yeah, you know.
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I can't.
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I can't.
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I can't.
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No.
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I can't.
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Why should you?
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Because every single fucking thing he just said
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has a real world corollary to something
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that the people he thinks are great are doing
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and no corollaries to things that the people he says
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are doing these things are doing.
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Every single fucking thing.
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Yep.
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Every word.
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He just described all of the things that they are
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and by his own definition, we should be fucking killing them.
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Yeah, but I disagree with that.
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I disagree with that.
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I disagree with it as well, but his logical conclusion
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is everybody should murder him.
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Well, yeah.
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If he wants to make that argument,
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if that is what qualifies as a murder-worthy offense
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in his book, then yeah.
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But I mean, more importantly, what
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I think what we're hearing, and I
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think this is what you're responding to,
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is whether he means to or not, this is a lot of projection.
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Oh, yeah.
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This is a lot of, and he does more of it
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even throughout the show.
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They'll destroy the family.
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What they'll do is they'll take your kids away and put you
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in a cage and then put them in a secret cage.
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They're trying to destroy you and they're
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trying to kill your family.
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If they were to, I don't know, remove protections
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for gay couples and make sure that they're not
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allowed to have children and all that stuff,
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they're trying to dumb you down.
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You know, like if they were trying
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to make it harder to get into colleges
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and definitely make it more easy to commit sexual assault
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on college campuses.
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Oh, they're trying to destroy everything.
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And they're trying to keep you poor,
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like trying to make it so you can't
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get out of student loan debts that are abusive.
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Yeah, yeah.
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God damn it, man.
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You just described Trump's policy directives.
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His entire cabinet, everybody is working
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towards all this same shit.
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But I think that he wouldn't even wrestle with that.
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He's more interested in doing this
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in service of dehumanizing the enemy,
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making it so it is OK to attack them.
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This works hand in hand with his narrative
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about how the media is going to false flag themselves
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and the Democrats are going to false flag themselves
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to get pity and sympathy in front of the midterm elections
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so they end up winning because they
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can blame it on the Patriots.
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It's the same sort of preemptive rhetoric,
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wherein if something bad does happen to these people,
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then who gives a shit?
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They're demons who want to destroy your family
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and then eventually suck out your soul.
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So it's really dangerous.
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If one of them were to, for some reason,
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threaten some sort of news organization.
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Like that happened today.
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You know, using the language of the Patriots.
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Or let's call it, maybe the president himself
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might have said something.
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Might quote the president in threats to news organizations.
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That's not the Patriots.
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No.
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That's the false flaggers.
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Nobody would listen to the president.
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No.
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Silly.
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That would be crazy.
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Absurd.
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Only the false flaggers.
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Right.
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I mean, this is just super dangerous.
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And it's something we talk about repeatedly.
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So I don't think we should spend half an hour on it.
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But the idea of doing this to your enemies
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is super, super dangerous.
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Yeah, they're doing it.
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And we're not doing it to them.
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We're not demonizing them.
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We're all trying to constantly humanize these people who
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are literally doing everything that he's saying to make
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you guys demonize us.
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It's insane.
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Well, there is the supposed over-liberal use of the term
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Nazi to describe people.
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But I think we've been judicious in calling
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people who are expressing Nazi ideas, calling them Nazis.
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They're Nazis.
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And I try and pulled you back even
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from too broad of declarations.
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Yeah.
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But, you know.
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And slowly you're coming over to my side.
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We'll see about that.
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The problem is the tent under which you could call somebody
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Nazi is only getting larger.
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Yeah, yeah, it's expanding.
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It seems like all the people who you shouldn't have called
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Nazis before are like, oh, you know what?
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Lindsey Graham is a terrible human being
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who is trying to kill everybody.
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But he's not a Nazi.
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And now you're like, I think Lindsey Graham's a Nazi.
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Yeah, I mean, I guess it comes down
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to that sort of lobster in boiling water kind of thing.
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It's kind of the right has seen this turn towards cruelty,
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abuse, dehumanization of people who are unlike yourself.
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And they haven't noticed the ratcheting up
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of the temperature of the water.
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And instead of getting boiled, they're all just
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becoming OK with a very, very close to fascist
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adjacent circumstances.
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What are you going to do?
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Who's going to do?
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What are you going to do?
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So in this next clip, Alex gets into, well,
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I would say it ends with him making a bad prediction.
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But it starts with something that just is great.
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It seems very grandiose in a weird way.
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And I think he's in a very strange mood.
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He might have done mushrooms the night before this episode.
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He's real weird on this episode from this point on.
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Comets are all rocks that I have thrown.
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You're not far off.
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He does start talking about the comets of truth.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It's very strange.
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Comets of truth are going to hit the world.
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I've listened to this show for too long.
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Yeah.
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You have your finger on the pulse.
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All right.
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So here we go.
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World government is now here in your face.
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Booyah.
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With a scientific one world system
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using a digital mark of your internet ID that
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will be biometrically based on face scans and hand scans.
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Mark of the hand, mark of the hand.
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2,000 years later, coming true.
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No one can deny it.
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Prophecy is being fulfilled.
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Cool.
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And it also says the church will fall away
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and will accept the mark of the beast.
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Most people will accept the mark of the beast
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because they'll believe that it isn't actually happening.
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Because the churches aren't churches.
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They've been federalized.
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They've been globalized.
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They've been put under 501c3, so they won't tell you.
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In fact, I predict soon the people
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will be taking communion and giving to the offering plate
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with a hand scan.
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Mark my words, within two years, you will see people.
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Sure.
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I bet it's already going on.
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Sure.
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Never thought of that.
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Search engine, church takes digital payments
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and biometrics.
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This.
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Also, I like how he said search engine.
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He didn't say goo.
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Big it!
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This, my friend, is what we call a setup.
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Because, of course, the production staff Google's that.
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And conveniently, there's a very similar headline
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that uses those words that Alex clearly read the headline of
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and didn't read the story.
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Because there is a church, and he ends up
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talking about this article and not getting into any of it.
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It's on some weird blog.
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And it's just someone who, I believe
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the title of the article is Three Ways Churches Can Use
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Biometrics to Increase Safety.
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And the entire article, what it's about,
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is the idea of using fingerprints
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to keep kids safe at churches.
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Like in terms of knowing where they're going and coming,
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making sure it's the right kids there.
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Right.
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Avoiding all members of the clergy.
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Sure.
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That's a smart way of doing it.
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I don't think, look, I don't think that's necessary.
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I think it's starting to look more and more necessary.
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I don't know what fingerprinting is going
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to do to help that situation.
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I don't know.
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Look, I would say that that is a concern that, you know,
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losing kids at the church maybe is a concern
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that I am unaware of because I'm not a part of the church.
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I don't know if that's a rampant problem.
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They are big.
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But if this is a blog that's putting this out
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as a suggestion of ways churches can increase security,
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that's kind of their business, and this
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has nothing to do with an implantable chip
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that you have to use to take communion.
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Right.
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And it's not a slippery slope thing
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that's going to lead to that.
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It's a, you know, it's a kid safety measure.
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It's absurd.
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So his idea is that in two years churches
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are going to need a biometric scan to take communion.
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Yep.
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To prove what?
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Or to tithe.
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Or to tithe.
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Now, see, the money thing I get.
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You do that.
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But like, is there a database of people
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who are in accordance with communion rules, which
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I believe means you cannot be in a fight with any member
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of your family.
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You must also be right with God.
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There can be no guilt on your conscience.
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Well, see, that's what it's going to track.
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Is it going to track that?
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Yeah, see, you have to scan your finger,
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and it'll go to the database of familial fights, which
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of course, the man is very interested in cataloging.
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And you will have to wear a mood ring
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as well to let them know if you are right with God.
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Like, if it's green, you feel guilt.
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Because within one and a half years,
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the government is going to implement a system
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where if you fight with your family, you must report it.
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Yes.
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Oh, of course.
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Right.
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So within one and a half years, that database will be.
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Wow.
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God's got that database.
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I don't think he does.
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He's got to log in.
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No.
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He's got to log in.
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What's his password?
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God.
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And then his password is the tetragrammaton.
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It's just the unpronounceable name of Yahweh.
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He has a special keyboard that none of us can use.
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It's the perfect encryption.
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I think the Metatron is the one who does that.
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Thank you very much.
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So Alex is, you know, he's talking about the churches
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not being real churches and how they're going to need
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biometric scans and what have you.
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And like, all right, dude, have fun with that.
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But it leads him into talking about the Antichrist.
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Good.
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I'm in.
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And so he's getting into this weird state
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where he's talking about how now they can use holograms
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and project people into places they aren't.
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Right.
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Which is like, yeah, it was weird that Tupac
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did that concert a while back.
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It was kind of weird.
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I didn't enjoy that.
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No, you know what's crazy?
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That was the real Tupac.
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Oh my God.
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But they used, they had to create the hologram over him.
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So it looked like he was a hologram,
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but he was still alive.
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OK.
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But they projected the hologram onto his real body.
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Seems like a lot of work when you
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could just use the hologram.
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Yeah, but I mean, he wanted it.
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He's got to get out there and meet his fans.
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He's got to enjoy it.
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Yeah.
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So he's been trapped underground for the past 20 years.
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So beyond that, he's talking about like the idea
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that in the Bible, it says that the Antichrist will be
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projected into giant holograms.
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Sure.
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And if you don't submit to him, this is what's going to happen.
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Oh, no, what?
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And this clip gets weird.
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And if you don't submit, well, you'll be downgraded.
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And at first, it'll be easy to get a five star.
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You don't have to do much.
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So he's talking about the idea of.
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You're going to be downgraded?
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He's talking about the idea of like Chinese social score
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systems being implemented in the United States.
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Oh, right, right, right.
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That sort of thing.
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That's one of his major fears here on this episode.
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And so he's talking about like having
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a five star rating at the beginning.
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Not going to be too hard.
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But then.
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Isn't he talking about a Black Mirror episode?
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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But soon it'll be more and more and more,
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and then very few will have five stars.
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It'll be totally coveted, the new Hollywood power.
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Even world leaders won't have five stars.
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Oh, the people that do will be like Dalai Lama-like people.
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Worshipped.
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Cool, cool.
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Sounds fun.
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Oh, you want that five star, don't you?
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Because if you don't have it, you'll
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be cut off from the entertainment, jobs, everything.
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This is their system.
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I think he's talking about it.
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And we've been warned thousands of years ago.
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Thousands.
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In Revelation.
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Thousands of years ago.
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You read Ezekiel, and you read Daniel,
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and you read Revelation.
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All written within 3,000 years of themselves.
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No.
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Ezekiel says these big rings of fire come down and land.
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And these dudes with blue helmets on.
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That's how it's described in the Hebrew come up.
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And they tell them.
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They say, take this.
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And then they take this thing they're told.
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And then it downloads all the information into them.
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And they all said the same thing.
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World government, marks in the hands, marks in the head.
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Don't take it.
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Once you all get rigged up to this,
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it's going to start exterminating everybody.
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Well, let's just say the Bible's not true.
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Yeah, done.
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I'm not saying that.
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But just for the sake of argument, what is it then?
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Because it's being built.
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Why?
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Now, let me just throw this in here.
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For now, you can still go to info.org.com
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and they're trying to take our payment processors
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and bankrupt us and shut us down and send us into oblivion.
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Cool, cool, man.
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Cool.
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Dudes with blue helmets are going to come
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and they're going to institute world government.
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And by the way, for now, you can still go to info.org.com.
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Did you know that?
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Also, what you're missing from that
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is like, I am a major part of the fulfillment of prophecy.
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You know, I let that one go.
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That's so grandiose.
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See, because I assumed that he's always thought that.
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Yeah, probably.
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Oh, also, there's a problem with this stuff about Ezekiel.
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Alex is not actually talking about the actual text
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from Ezekiel.
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He's clearly talking about the 1974 book,
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The Spaceships of Ezekiel, written by Joseph Blumrich,
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which was inspired by Blumrich reading Eric von Daniken.
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This, not the Bible verses, is the foundation
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of the misinterpretation that Ezekiel
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saw aliens in wheel crafts.
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Alex believes in ancient aliens.
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All right, all right.
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So let's say the Bible's not true.
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He is.
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I'm saying that.
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I'm saying that.
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But for the sake of argument, let's say it's not true.
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What if I referenced a movie?
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One time I read The Spaceships of Ezekiel
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and I thought it was accurate.
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Cool, man.
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Enjoy.
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Like, that's Project Camelot level shit.
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That's insane.
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Because if you read the actual verses in Ezekiel
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and you use just a tiny bit of exegesis of the text
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and you take context clues from other parts in the Bible,
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it's clear that it's at least partially metaphorical.
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And then also, you're talking about angels.
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It's not some sort of spacecraft.
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And the blue helmet part that he's talking about
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is this awesome thing that people have extrapolated from.
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And they're like, oh, it was UN workers
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because they have blue helmets.
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Of course, of course.
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It's just become this crazy nonsense.
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Well, I remember the great Arthur C. Clarke quote,
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any sufficiently advanced blue hat
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is indistinguishable from angels, right?
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That's true.
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That's what he said.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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So that's just a lot of fun.
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I love the head pivot at the end,
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the Alex believing he's a part of the centuries-old prophecy.
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That clip has got it all, man.
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The Ezekiel misinterpretation.
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It's, it's, muah.
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It's just gorgeous.
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It's like a good spaghetti sauce.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It just hits you.
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It's got a zest.
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If you're watching Chopped, they would describe that
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as a perfect bite.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Oh, god.
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Goddamn.
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Love it.
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So in this next clip, we're not going
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to talk about this, and I beg you
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to not go off on a fucking rant, because I know you
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have a lot of feelings about it.
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But Alex is less than gracious about John McCain being dead.
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I'm not going to go on a rant.
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I've already promised.
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OK.
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Look, John McCain did a lot of horrible shit during his life,
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and there's no reason to deify him now that he's dead.
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But at the same time, no reason, I think,
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especially for our show and the people that we are,
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to put out some sort of negativity in the world
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and be like, hey, fuck you, you're dead.
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Alex tries to play the card of, I don't
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want to talk ill of the dead.
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And I'd like to remind everyone how
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the day after David Rockefeller died,
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he did a celebratory show.
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Does not talk ill of the dead.
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Oh, David Rockefeller's dead.
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Keep on rocking in the free world.
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That's basically what he did after he died.
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Yep.
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He might have played Ding Dong the Witch is Dead.
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Quite frankly, I don't remember that show exactly,
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but I wouldn't be surprised.
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So he's like, I don't like to speak ill of the dead,
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but this guy was a fucking dick.
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And then he gets to this sentence
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that I think is very interesting.
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And longtime listeners of our show
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will hear a very familiar turn of phrase here.
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McCain comes from a crime family.
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I know his last name isn't Capone,
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but it's unbelievable.
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I'd like to take everyone back to 2015
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when Alex Jones said about Trump, quote,
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you got a name like Corleone, they arrest you.
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If you got a name like Trump, they don't.
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Quote, he's a front man for consortiums on the East Coast.
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No idea what you're talking about.
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He said the exact same things about Trump.
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He's a performer.
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Not three years ago.
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You can't take anything he says seriously.
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McCain's dead.
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He's from a crime family.
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You got a name like Capone.
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McCain's a better name.
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Great.
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Good work.
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What are you doing?
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He's recycling.
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Yeah, I know.
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It's important.
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He's trying to save the environment.
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Sure.
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He puts so much CO2 out into the world,
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at least he's reusing some of his CO2.
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When you blow that hard, you got to blow some excess.
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No, I've thought about it very hard.
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I've dealt with all of my complex emotions regarding
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John McCain, and I've decided that the best way to express
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them is to pretend he's John Glenn and just confuse everyone.
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OK.
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And just say, man, John McCain was amazing.
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When he went into space for the first time,
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it changed my life.
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I realized what was possible, because that man did something
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that no one else has ever done.
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It would be even better if you conflate him
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with John Glenn and John Wayne simultaneously.
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Oh, now that'd be good stuff.
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Like a three-way conflation.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That would be strong work.
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When he filmed The Searchers on the first spacewalk,
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that was incredible.
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He showed true grit out there in space.
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So I don't know how to set up clips anymore,
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not because of anything that's wrong with me,
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but just because this show is so stupid.
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I don't, not our show, but when I was real.
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Well, by the transitive property, to some extent,
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yes, our show.
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I think we elevate the source material a tiny bit.
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But when I was listening to this show,
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I can't tell you how many times in my notes it's just,
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this show sucks.
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I'm listening to his show like, I
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don't know why anybody would fucking listen to this.
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It's so bad.
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You have started writing your notes in your own shit
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on the walls, just repeatedly this show is shit.
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I gotta save money on notebooks.
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Yeah, no, that's smart.
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But yeah, it's just this.
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I don't understand what his plan is anymore other than,
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oh boy, you broke your pen.
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Better use some shit.
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I'll look on the wall and see what I got.
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So in this next clip, although just a minute ago,
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we heard him using a false source
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to claim things about the book of Ezekiel,
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this next clip is about how smart Alex is.
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People keep asking, Jones, how do you, I have the Pentagon,
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call me up.
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And others, they say, Jones, how are you continually,
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how do you know all this?
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And I'm like, they're writing white papers.
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They're writing white papers.
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Do all you people just pretend you do research?
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I've talked to generals.
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I've talked to former CIA section chiefs.
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I'm not bragging.
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And like, I know more than they do.
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No, you don't.
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You know why?
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Because they're taking care of their grandkids
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and their kids or they're playing golf.
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And you're not.
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They just kind of bitch a complaint and watch Fox News.
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Man, I'm not doing that, OK?
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Matt Drudge isn't doing that.
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Eh.
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Matt Drudge has been running his own operations
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for 20 something years.
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He's built it himself.
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He knows how things work.
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So do I. Matt Drudge has all the sources in the Supreme Court,
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the White House, foreign governments.
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Matt Drudge is a world traveler.
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I'll leave it at that.
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He knows.
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What does that mean?
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I don't want to be the only one up here with Matt Drudge that
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knows all this.
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It's very frustrating.
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Oh, oh, poor guy.
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Oh, tough.
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That's tough.
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Tough to be so smart.
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So is the Pentagon just calling them?
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Yeah, the actual building.
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The actual building.
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Yeah, OK.
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I was concerned.
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The platonic ideal of the shape is calling Alex.
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And that is actually like the level of heady he's
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going to get in a little bit.
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OK.
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You might not be so surprised if he's like,
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I met a dodecahedron the other day
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and it told me I was brilliant.
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Like, it's close.
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It's real close.
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I reached into my pineal gland and I discovered
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the true shape of love.
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I would consider most of this episode like a kind of a wash
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and just kind of like we're just sort
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of retreading old material.
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Right.
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But like.
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We're having a good time.
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He does get into like our favorite state of Alex Jones
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a little bit.
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Just like, what are you talking about, man?
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I think you think you're using code here,
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but you are just freaking out on air.
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Just some esoteric nonsense, which I love.
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And actually, it starts in this next clip.
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But I should tell you that for the beginning of this episode,
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like his main, let's call it the varsity narrative,
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has been that Paul Joseph Watson put out an article
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with the headline, censoring us on social media
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is a massive scam for the midterm elections.
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So he just basically reads the headline over.
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He reads the headline over and over again,
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never actually gets into the article,
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but sort of screams about it a little bit.
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But it's all just such like the exact same nonsense
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from before.
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Chicoms, Facebook is run by the globalists, that sort of shit.
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It's in the white papers and WikiLeaks.
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Like, all right, man, have fun.
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You're not evolving.
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But when he gets back and he starts the second hour,
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he's been promising to get to this big news.
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Sure.
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For the entire first hour.
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He gets the beginning of the second hour.
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And my man, it's time to get serious.
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All right, let's get serious.
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Is it time to break?
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No.
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Well, then I'm bummed.
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I don't really know how to put it or say it.
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But a lot of people think this is all a virtual reality deal.
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And now even top bankers and globalists,
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they say, oh, there's some outside force.
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What do the bankers say?
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What do you mean top bankers?
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And a simulation.
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And that the different telescopes
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and different systems they've got that measure dark matter,
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there's NASA papers, you name it,
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saying that indeed there's a power source much greater
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than what we see in our own matter.
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Holding this universe together, the whole Big Bang Theory
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and the rest of it, is just that, a theory.
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It's kind of like Total Recall.
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He goes in to plug in.
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He's having a boring life.
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There it is.
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It's a Philip K. Dick, back in his basement,
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Philip K. Dick book, isn't it?
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Short story.
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Good work.
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And then all of a sudden, he's a secret agent
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and he's killing all these guys and taking these people out
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and saving Mars and activating the ancient reactors to-
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Get your ass to Mars.
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Tarot farm it and, is he crazy or is he real?
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Tarot farm it?
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You don't know.
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I promise you he doesn't get to the point.
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He gets lost talking about Total Recall.
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And then he's like, when he comes back after that,
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he just is like, it's weird that I
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am influencing the president.
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I'm like, all right.
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Are you then saying that it's a simulation that you're,
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what is your point?
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He never brings it home.
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He never ties the bow of these thoughts
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that the bankers say that it's a simulation.
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Yeah, why would I give a shit if the- wait.
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So what does that mean?
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I don't know.
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What does it mean?
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Even the top bankers are saying that.
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I don't know what that means.
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Does that mean that you shouldn't,
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look, the scientists have said it for a long time.
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This whole there's a greater energy
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or whatever that's holding the universe together.
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The Higgs boson maybe?
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Scientists have been saying that for 100 years.
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But now bankers are saying it, which is what?
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Yeah, crazy.
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They control our money.
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Or maybe they don't.
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Who knows?
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Is it the globalists?
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Probably.
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Are they bankers?
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Yes.
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Has any of them ever read a science book?
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It's all the same thing.
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A brief history of time.
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They're all magically competent in every field,
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according to Alex.
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It's kind of crazy.
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Yeah.
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Also, I just, look, there's a lot going on there.
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And he's going to get even weirder.
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But I love the idea of Alex taking movies
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that are based on Philip K. Dick short stories
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and pretending they're real.
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Like, I would love it if a week from now he
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shows up with a little hat.
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And he's like, it's like the adjustment bureau.
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I wear this hat and I could go through secret doors.
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All right.
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All right.
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Cool, man.
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Yeah, I love it.
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Yeah, cool.
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I mean, I think he should-
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I've started taking a moss-based drug.
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I think you should diversify.
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Let's start, let's just start spamming him
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with other science fiction writers
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that he should start referencing.
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Just like, fuck it.
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No, there's so much with Philip K. Dick.
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He's never going to read any real books.
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So let's just start throwing science fiction novels at him.
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No, but you've got to understand,
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he's only been in a few movies.
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One is a scanner darkly, which is based on Philip K. Dick's
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novel.
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Then you have Waking Life, which was also directed
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by Richard Linklater.
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And at the end of it, Richard Linklater
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appears in the movie himself and gives a speech that references
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the book Flow My Tears the Policeman Said by Philip K.
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Dick.
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All of Alex's cinematic life is contingent on Richard
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Linklater existing, who's a huge fan of Philip K.
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Dick and inspires most of his work.
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Alex is never leaving the PKD Foundation.
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I don't mind that.
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All right.
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I don't mind that, but I do want him to reference
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the adjustment bureau.
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Pitch.
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Pitch.
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I really want him to adjust.
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See, I want him to revere-
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Look, Amazon just green-lighted the Foundation series.
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So somebody cast him in that?
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I want to get some Asimov references in here, too.
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And season three of The Man in the High Castle
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is coming out.
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Oh, yeah.
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Everybody just cast him for like 20 seconds in every sci-fi
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movie.
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Yeah, I know.
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The world that's run by Nazis?
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Yes.
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Yeah, great.
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Cast him as himself.
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He could exist in that world very easily.
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Yeah.
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Very excited about that.
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I think it's an unpopular opinion,
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but I really like that show.
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I think people like it.
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OK.
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I'm projecting onto the world that no one likes that show.
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I think people just don't watch it.
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Yeah, that could be-
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I don't think people dislike it.
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That's probably-
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I think most people are like, you know, it's peak TV,
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so it's like, I got to choose.
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I got to pick and choose.
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And then What's-Her-Face was in that series that was based
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on Gillian Flynn's novel.
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And Gillian Flynn's a great writer,
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if you'd never read any of the words she writes.
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OK.
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So that's great.
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Yikes.
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Yeah.
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Yikes.
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Shots fired.
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Hot take.
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Shots.
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Hot take, Dan.
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Shots fired.
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I'm tossing out takes.
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Very excited.
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I'm a big fan of the, this novel is boring,
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but then there's a twist ending, so you'll love it.
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I mean, I read Goosebumps.
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So-
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Yep.
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There you go.
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So like I said, man, Alex is going to get even weirder.
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And here is, oh boy, this is high weirdness,
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but it's not even close to the depths of where
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he goes on this episode.
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OK.
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The planet's real, our bodies are real,
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but there is a spirit within us.
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And the globalists know that.
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So it's not a simulation.
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And they know our spirit broadcast the ideas
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and the thoughts and dreams we have,
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so they put out evil broadcasts trying
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to get us to resonate with that, to then buy into the nightmare,
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to then manifest hell on earth.
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Because that's what these demons, these creatures,
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these marooned spirits want.
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And that's what the Bible says.
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That's what every other culture says.
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And that's what the globalists believe.
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None of the globalists.
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And I've run into a lot of them.
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Hollywood, you name it.
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None of them are atheists.
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They are all either Luciferian or Satanist or into the occult.
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Or they believe in the earth being seeded by aliens.
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Yep.
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And those aliens are interdimensionally
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communicating with them.
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And they believe they have to reduce world population
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as a sacrifice to ascend to the heavens.
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How could you not?
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AKA what we've seen going on with 2001 Space Odyssey.
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What?
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And so the mark of the beast is here.
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World government's here.
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Yep.
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And you proved it.
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It's a simulation, but it's not.
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Sure.
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But it's been proven.
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It's all held together.
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I don't know what that means.
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Unofficially by a much more powerful force.
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And it's here for us to experience
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consciousness and free will.
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Because if you're God, the one thing you don't have
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is something separate from you that's
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conscious as its own little universe in its mind.
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And that's us.
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That's our spirits, our own little universes.
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You got cut off by that break.
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But also, OK, so at the end there,
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I mean, there's a lot of hot bullshit
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throughout most of this.
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Oh, yeah.
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The thing I'm most interested in, first of all,
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is like it's a simulation, but it's not.
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OK, you're saying nothing.
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Sure.
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Then what he's talking about at the end
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there is like that's vaguely Gnostic in terms of theme.
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The idea of God created us because he doesn't
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have anybody to chill with.
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Yeah.
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Or about, what is it, Aldeboath or whatever created
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this as a projection by which he could experience himself
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from external places.
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The thing I'm more into, because I
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don't think Alex has read any Gnostic scriptures,
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is I think that Scott Adams of Dilbert fame
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and also frequent guest on Alex Jones's show
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sent him a copy of his 2001 book, God's Debris.
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Really?
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He put out, though he was known primarily
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as the creator of Dilbert, Dogbert, Catbert.
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What else you got?
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That's it.
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No, it's got to get more creative.
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Wally.
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He created Wally?
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No, that was a character who worked at Dilbert's office.
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Oh, I thought you were talking about the Pixar film.
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I was like, holy shit, I have to re-evaluate him all over.
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Nope.
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Just a guy named Wally.
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Oh, OK.
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I think.
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I think that was his name.
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So he wrote a book in 2001 that was a quote,
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thought experiment that I thought
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was interesting at the time.
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Would you call it a space odyssey?
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No.
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Although the phrasing, what's going on with 2001,
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a space odyssey, is a very strange way to put things.
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But so I read that.
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I think that's a Seinfeld joke.
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I read that when I was 16 or so, when it came out.
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I was 16, 17.
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I smoked a lot of weed.
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And I read it, and I thought it was interesting.
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But the whole idea of it is that the only thing God
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could be interested in because he's omnipotent and all
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that is experiencing a world without himself in it.
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And so God destroyed himself.
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And we are the debris of God's own destruction,
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experiencing each other.
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And God is experiencing what it's like when he doesn't exist.
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And we all interconnect through the internet and what have you.
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And that's our way of trying to bring back the wholeness of what
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we are the debris of.
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That's sort of a Cliff Notes version of it.
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But there's a lot of thematic connections
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to what Alex is rambling about there at the end.
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I think he just read God's Debris
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and thinks it's mind-blowing.
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Do you know, I had a synesthesia moment
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listening to that whole thing.
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You smelled colors?
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No.
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I saw, like, a Simone Biles floor routine.
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Uh-huh.
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Like, have you, like, just the rhythm of that and then the,
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The surf rock?
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No, no, no.
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Just, no, she's the greatest gymnast.
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No, no, no.
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I thought you meant listening to Alex's clip
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with the surf rock.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Like, listening to him talk was just him, like,
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doing all these weird movements, just like, holy shit,
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jumping, and then he paused, and that's when he leaps,
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and then he dismounts, and then he does the little thing.
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Like, I could see all of those things happen.
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I did not hear a fucking word he said.
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It was all rhythm and motion.
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Because that was a hot mess of bullshit.
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Oh, yeah.
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It looked amazing.
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And it's only the beginning.
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Uh-huh.
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It's only the beginning of how weird
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and, I guess, synesthesia for you this is going to get.
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This next clip.
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I will say, from everything I understand
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about the human brain and science, what he's describing
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is literally impossible.
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OK.
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I remember when I was a young child, right through till I
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was a teenager, and I stopped having a dream.
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Almost every night, I had this dream, amongst others.
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I have lots of dreams every night, hundreds and hundreds,
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the whole world, the whole times, the whole lifetimes,
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some of them.
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That's impossible.
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Whole families, peoples, it just goes on and on.
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It's incredible.
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You're scaring me.
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I mean, who says that world isn't more real than this world?
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Uh-oh.
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Oh, god.
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Not this.
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He's in waking life.
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Come on.
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Not this.
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Come on.
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Those are the crystal visions.
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I'll keep my visions to myself.
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I'm going to go back really quick, just because, I mean,
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it, first of all, he can't, he can't have,
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you don't have hundreds of dreams in a night.
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If you have, like, little fragments of things and whatever,
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and you just, you know, like, later
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imagine what they might have been, that's possible.
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You only have a couple dreams.
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Unless you're having a dream within the dream
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that you're having.
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Oh, that could be.
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And then you have another dream within that.
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But what if you dream that you're multiple people
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within that second dream?
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Those two people can dream.
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And if they dream, then those two people
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can have two people's dreams.
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And then all the dreams are happening all at once.
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You get a fucking, what's the?
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Inception?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're talking about a movie like Alex might.
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Yeah.
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The other, I'm like, I'm super into sort of.
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Except I was doing it on purpose.
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I'm super into transcendent experiences
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you can have through, like, meditating or lucid dreaming.
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I think there's a lot to be, you can work through
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in those, in those states.
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I think there's something, something to be said for that.
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But I do think it's troubling whenever you hear someone
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who's a, I don't know, 45-year-old bigot drunk
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who's a propagandist getting on air saying,
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who knows if that's more real than this world?
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Like, I don't, I don't know about you anymore, man.
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That's, you did some shrooms, man.
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You did some shrooms and read God's debris.
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That's what I'm convinced is happening.
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But then it gets worse.
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Listen to this.
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And those are the crystal visions.
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I'll keep my visions to myself.
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As one line from a rock song says.
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It's Fleetwood Mac.
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But think about that.
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God is all powerful.
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God is all-encompassing, timeless, and endless.
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But then we are independent sentient creatures
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who are able to have free will or subvert our free will
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and hand it over to these other fallen failed creatures
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that decided not to go through the hierarchy,
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not to ascend through the long arduous process,
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but to do decided to just try to rule their fallen third
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and second dimension positions.
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What the fuck?
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Third and second dimension positions.
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I do kind of know what he's talking about.
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And it's crazy nonsense that's from Illuminati message boards
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and shit like that.
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So that's not really all that worth getting into.
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But I would just like to point out that the idea of you
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can either have free will or subvert it
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to these evil forces.
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What you ascribe is kind of also just the other side
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of subverting your free will.
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So this is really boring.
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It's really boring, the idea of, yes, I
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am serving an extraterrestrial entity of some sort.
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But I'm free in doing so.
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These other people that I don't like
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are serving another entity, but they
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are trapped in doing the exact same thing as me.
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It's like, just stop.
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Yeah, if he was saying that to me,
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I think my only reaction would be just like,
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what are you doing right now?
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What are you doing?
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What do you think you're doing?
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What does anybody think is going on here?
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Alex, what are you doing right now?
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I'll tell you what he's doing is probably
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trying to prepare himself to go back on Rogan's show
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because apparently he might be going back on Rogan's show
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soon.
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Great.
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I don't know.
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There was a post that was put on Facebook.
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Alex has been, of course, kicked off Facebook.
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I didn't do any looking into this,
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but there was an account that was supposedly Alex Jones's.
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And he said he confirmed that he's going back
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on Rogan's show soon.
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Sure.
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That sounds plausible.
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True or not, it sounds plausible.
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Yeah, when I saw it, I was like, oh, that's weird.
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But then I started to think about it more.
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I'm like, it's a really good chance
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that someone just made a fake Alex Jones profile and said
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that.
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So I have no idea.
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But if he is going back, this is good practice.
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That is good practice.
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Get really weird on air because you
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know I'm about to have to do three hours real weird.
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Yeah.
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So that leads to this next clip, which is, man,
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I don't even know what to tell you.
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Like I said, I'm not going to be good at intros on this episode
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because this next clip is about three and a half minutes long.
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It's one of the most bizarre things I've ever
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heard him say in a long time.
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It connotes a completely lost man, someone who is.
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Yeah, I think we're there.
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Someone who is utterly insane and trying
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to deal with it while doing a radio show, which
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is kind of interesting.
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It is kind of interesting.
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On some level, just as sort of like a psychological study.
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But this goes to some places that are like,
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oh, this is about you, Alex.
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You're wrestling with yourself.
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Yeah, but he can't know that.
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He feels it, though.
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He feels it, but that's why he's who he is.
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His entire life is suppressing the way he feels about himself
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and then projecting it on others.
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But that's why when he gets esoteric like this,
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it starts to creep out a little bit.
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Yeah.
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So definitely a paranoid schizophrenic.
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Very possibly, yes.
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But listen to this.
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And all the studies show and all the tech heads
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even admit, because I got to tell you, metaphysically,
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this is hurting you.
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It's depressing you.
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It's dumbing you down.
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It's destroying your creativity.
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It's sapping you.
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It's draining you.
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Sounds like what happens when you listen to Info Wars.
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You can't help it.
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But then we inject into the matrix here daily,
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trying to reach you.
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And they were arrogant and tried to spin what we said and did
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and tried to turn it around against us.
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But it didn't work.
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Nope.
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So finally, they said, ban him completely.
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Send him to the Phantom Zone.
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And let it be a lesson to all the rest of them.
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You shut up about the topics Alex Jones covers
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or we will destroy you.
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We will tell elaborate lies and frauds about you every day.
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We will come after your family.
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We will bankrupt you.
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We will destroy you.
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If you don't submit to us, well, that's slavery.
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Real quick, I'm just going to cut in
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to say there's so many people on the internet who
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say the exact same stories that Alex does.
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There's so many people who have not
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had any consequences that cover the exact same turf as him.
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He's facing consequences for his literal actions.
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This is all about him.
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This is all about Alex on Alex.
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Yeah.
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That doesn't intimidate me.
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But the average empty person, so scared of death, so scared,
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trying to hold on to everything, is
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scared because in their spirit, they know
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they've made the wrong decisions.
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But then the system has control of their cerebral cortex
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in only one small part of their consciousness.
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And it's saying, you feel that fear?
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You feel that you're not fulfilled?
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Follow us deeper down the pit.
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Sounds like you.
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We will give you fulfillment.
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But you've got to take our hand.
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Oh, my god.
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And they get scareder and scareder and scareder.
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And they say, you're scared of Trump.
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You're scared of Alex Jones.
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Come deeper with us.
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And they're like, I'm even more scared.
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I know.
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I know.
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But trust us.
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So real quick, let's just take a quick pause.
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Oh, my god, Dan.
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I'm freaking out.
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Alex Jones's entire business model is largely,
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hey, you're scared of Muslims, right?
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You're scared of Muslims?
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Come with me.
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Come with me to this website where
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I give you all the answers about just how bad they really are.
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Oh, my god, now you're here.
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You're even more scared than you were before.
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And also, trans people are terrible.
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So that's exactly what his business model is.
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I know.
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This is scary.
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That's what the alt-right is.
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That's the alt-media.
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I'm scared.
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Oh, it's going to get so much worse.
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I'm worried.
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It's going to get so much worse.
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I'm genuinely worried about him now.
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I don't want to be concerned.
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This man's insane.
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So much worse.
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Just keep holding onto my hand until everything you are
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and everything you've ever been is under my control.
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Give me your consciousness.
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Give me your creativity.
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Give me your dreams and your heart and your soul
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and your fears and everything you are.
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And we have an Easter sale.
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And believe as I believe and say as I say
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and repeat what I am.
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Replicate me.
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Join with my consciousness and subvert yourself to me.
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Hey, everybody, please take all of our articles
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and publish them everywhere.
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All of our talking points, be sure you get them out
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as if they were your own.
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Believe no one else.
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And I will give you the stars.
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I will give you fulfillment.
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We're winning.
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We're always winning.
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If you give me money, we win.
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Trump wants to take you to the stars
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and has secret healing technologies
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that he's going to release.
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I know you follow me long and things only get worse.
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But that is for only so long.
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Watch, once you're in the deeper water,
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it will be blessed with the heart of a dead star forever.
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The cold is so great for eternity.
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Destroyed.
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That is their only power is destroying the will
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and the consciousness that you are
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and keeping you from exercising your free will
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and going through the fear and going through the challenges.
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And as soon as you do that, you're so fulfilled.
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You're like, oh, my God, how did I not see this earlier?
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And then you are depressed because you're not
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part of the system.
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You're depressed because you know
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you're losing your family.
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And you're losing people you cared about.
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And when they look at you and manifest
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that hatred and that evil, it hurts your feelings.
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Because you care about them and they smile back at you
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and you watch them through progression
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go from being depressed, sad people
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to running that demonic, smiling, jack-o-lantern face.
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You watch them go from being sad, depressed people
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to posting links to info wars and demonizing
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groups they didn't have an opinion on before.
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Joker face of just, ha ha ha, I'm in charge.
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And it feels good.
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And I'm doing what I want.
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And I'm in make believe land.
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And whoa, yeah, they're gone.
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Their soul was consumed, rewritten, diseased,
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destroyed forever, blown out the airlock.
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They thought they were rising.
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They were falling.
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That is a fucked up clip.
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Wow.
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That was a ride, man.
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I'm not doing good.
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No.
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That one hurt.
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That was a ride.
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That one, too.
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That one was a whoo.
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Yeah.
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Whoa, man, that, wow.
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I don't believe in Alex's dumb, like, they
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have to tell you what they're doing to you in order
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to do it kind of thing.
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But if I did, I would say that's good evidence
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that you're doing that exact thing.
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Yeah, man.
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It's so fucked up, the very one to one parallels of his sick.
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And again, he's getting real close to ASMR Alex there.
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I know that was actually kind of fun, though.
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I enjoyed that.
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Just take it.
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Lose your creativity.
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In the deep.
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The deep water.
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And the dead stars.
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A star destroyed.
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God, I want him to read audio books in ASMR.
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That would be amazing.
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Alex Jones, like, legitimately, if he
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needs a late career change.
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It is a truth universally acknowledged
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that a man in possession of a good fortune
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must be in want of a wife.
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If he needs a late career change,
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I think he has all the makings of the hackiest science
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fiction writer of all time.
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Oh, yeah.
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I think he could pivot pretty easily
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into some real bad derivative science fiction.
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Yeah, but he can't write.
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No.
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He would have to dictate it.
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He would dictate it to Buckley.
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Yeah.
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Buckley, get on that typewriter.
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Buckley, stop fucking around on those 808s.
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I stole it from JD Salinger's grave.
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Buckley, I know you've got another acid mix to make,
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but I need you to do some dictation.
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I put it out on our Twitter.
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If you haven't seen it, you should check out
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Buckley Hammond, his music.
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He's a good DJ.
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One of the only actually talented people
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in the entire Info Wars operation.
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It's kind of interesting that everybody in Info Wars studios
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is just watching that, right?
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Like, they're just there.
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Oh, yeah.
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Just looking at that, going like, oh, boy.
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No one's stopping him.
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No one is stopping him.
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That's what's weird.
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You would think that your empathy would override
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the show or something like that.
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I know, right?
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Hey, Alex, you've got to take a five.
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Yeah.
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We have more special reports we can run.
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You've got to get your shit together.
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Alex, we genuinely believe the bullshit you're peddling.
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Yeah.
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And even we can see how bad you're projecting right now.
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And we've got to get you some help, man.
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Look, you're not on YouTube anymore.
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I know you feel a little more free to just let
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your freak flag fly.
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But this is being recorded.
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So reel it in.
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Now, admittedly, Alex, really only Dan Friesen
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is listening to it at this point.
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That may be the case, at least with a critical eye.
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But look, that shit's all weird as hell.
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And we can feel whatever way we want to feel about it.
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Weird.
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And we're right to feel whatever way we want to feel about it.
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We feel weird.
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But I will say that this next clip takes
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a little bit of the edge off because it gives us
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a real weird glimpse into how Alex Jones is now
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spending his evenings.
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OK.
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If I have to call people and send them stuff by courier,
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I will.
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And guess what?
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When I do it personally, it's much better than me just
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on there talking about it.
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So now, more and more, I'm going home at night
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after the kids go to bed at like 8, 9 o'clock,
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or I'm letting them watch a movie.
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And I go into my office, and I got 10 people every night
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I call, different people.
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And I call them, and I have a talk with them.
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And I say, you got 600 radio stations.
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I really need you to do this for yourself and your family.
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You got 500 radio stations.
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You got 300 radio stations.
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You're a congressman.
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Do what you need to do.
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Why can't you see this?
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Well, they're big tech.
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They got a lot of money.
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And I'm not sure, you know, really, I mean,
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you're not the one that's got to do it.
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Do it.
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The games are over.
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And if I got to step into the leadership role
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here when nobody else will, I've just
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been trying to warn people like Paul Revere,
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and then no one wants to become George Washington.
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Well, if I got to be George Washington, I will.
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But we got to George Washington, don't we?
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He's called Donald John Trump.
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No.
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So I need Paul Revere to get the message out.
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And I love you, and I appreciate you.
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That said, our problems are basically solved
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if you flood us with money.
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There it is.
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Love it.
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Alex.
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Bada bing.
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What's our number again, Dan?
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530 NeonNip.
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Alex, we are around at 8, 9 o'clock.
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Please give us a call.
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Give us a call.
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Yeah.
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We know you're here.
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We'll help you.
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We will.
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We'll talk you down from this.
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Jesus.
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I love the picture, though, that like when his kids are just
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trying to watch like, I don't know, Moana.
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He wouldn't let her watch Moana.
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No, no, no, no.
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That's a, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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It's just Birth of a Nation on repeat.
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Song of the South.
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David Knight gave him their copy of Song of the South.
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Oh, no.
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So the kids are watching Song of the South.
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Alex slips away to the office to harass radio hosts.
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Yeah.
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And tell them they're not doing their job.
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Yeah.
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And by the way, those numbers that he's using
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are pretty high.
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Like the idea, who is on that number of stations?
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Hannity.
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That's it.
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Yeah.
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Hannity, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Coast to Coast AM,
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and maybe someone like a Hugh Hewitt.
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Or there's a couple other people who like fly under our radar
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quite a bit.
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Right.
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But those are like, there's a, it's a rarefied air.
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People who are on 500 plus radio stations.
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It's only a few people.
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He's just calling the entire cast of a Prairie Home companion.
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He is not on those stations anymore.
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He ran into a little trouble.
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Oh, I can't think of why.
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Well, it's because people don't like down home values.
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Oh, that is probably, because of all the down home values
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he's espoused about how dark energy is controlling
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the universe.
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And that's what God is.
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You know, down home country values, Dan.
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People are generally scared of people
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who hearken back to a time and a place
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when women were good looking.
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All the men are above average.
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All the propaganda's angry and shirtless.
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It took me fucking years as a kid
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to figure out that Lake Wobegon.
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Wasn't a real place.
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Woe be gone.
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Oh, yeah.
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It took me for fucking ever to understand
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that that was a portmanteau.
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Yeah, I wasn't all that smart growing up.
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Anyway, that would be so crazy if Garrison Keillor showed up
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on Alex's show.
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Is he dead?
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No, he's not dead.
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No, he's not dead.
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I thought he might have died right after he got
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slapped at those allegations.
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Yeah, but didn't he get, yeah, that's what I was saying.
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Didn't he get slapped some shit that he almost certainly did?
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Yeah, there was some dirty behavior on his part.
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Oh, what?
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A man in power?
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Come on.
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No, Dan.
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Say it ain't so.
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Say it ain't that every time you give
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a man a position of authority that he surrounds himself
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with women, he doesn't absolutely sexually
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harass them 85% of the time or whatever it is.
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Come on, Dan.
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That's crazy.
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Men run the world.
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We wouldn't allow that to happen.
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I look forward to Garrison Keillor showing up
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at the Comedy Cellar in order to do some live radio theater.
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Nice.
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Hot take.
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He's going to do some radio theater at the Comedy Cellar.
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He's going to do a drop in radio theater?
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Yeah, a long form theater of the mind performance
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at the Comedy Cellar.
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Dropping in.
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Damn, what a fucked up world we live in.
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Man, why?
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Burn it down.
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Burn it down.
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Do we even need it anymore?
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Comedy Cellar?
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Probably not.
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Not in the world.
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Yeah, probably not on that as well.
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Oh, well.
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Hey, man, don't worry about it.
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Dan, stand up comedy is in a great place.
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Everybody knows that.
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It's great.
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We've seen Alex be very weird on this episode.
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He's getting esoteric.
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He's getting up into his weird seventh dimensional light
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beings kind of head space.
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That's in the eye of the beholder, Dan.
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I feel like what's been going on here is just
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standard radio fare.
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Is this a simulation or not or both or neither?
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Who knows?
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All of the above.
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Yes, hello.
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Is Total Recall reality?
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Maybe.
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I'm not sure.
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What's been going on with 2001 A Space Odyssey?
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You all know.
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And why don't they make the whole ship out of the black box?
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Right.
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We're very close to that level of thinking on his part.
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But now we get into what I would say
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is like much more problematic and troubling
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because this isn't weird.
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This is hate filled?
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Yeah, kind of.
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And fucked up.
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And it's demonstrative of why he is not the person
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to talk about certain things in society, let's say.
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Oh, no.
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This is bad.
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So they think you're a bunch of idiots in Congress.
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They think Martin Luther's are idiots.
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They think we're all, no, we're not idiots.
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We're not idiots, Zuckerberg.
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Yes, you are.
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And we're sick of it.
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I agree with that.
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And I'm tired of you lying about what I said and what I did.
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Their favorite thing is I'm transphobic.
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You are.
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I'm a libertarian.
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I'm not against anybody as long as they're not hurting kids.
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What you want to do in your own life, you do.
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Everyone knows that's what I've always said.
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It's who I am.
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They have headlines all over the place.
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Jones hates the LGBT.
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Jones, and you know what I've noticed?
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I'm going to do a special report on this,
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and maybe even a documentary.
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You won't.
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It's when I criticize pedophilia and the Catholic Church
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and sexualization of kids by any group, heterosexual,
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homosexual, I get called homophobic
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by these publications.
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And so what they're really saying
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is the core of the LGBT is run by the P.
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LBGT, LGBT.
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Lesbian, gay, bi, trans.
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And then you had the P at the end.
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So he just demonstrated.
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You had the Q at the end.
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Sure.
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Not, what?
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Or the two Q's for what you're questioning.
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Did he just exemplify everyone's argument
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against him in the same sentence?
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, big time.
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I don't know if I've ever heard anybody damn themselves
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so directly.
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I mean, it's so demonstrative.
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That's incredible.
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It's literally him being like, they always
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say that I do this thing I'm doing right now.
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Yeah, it's bananas.
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It's crazy.
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Look, I don't care what anybody does.
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I am just saying that whenever I criticize pedophiles,
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whomever they are, I'm just saying
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that the entire LGBTQ community is run by pedophiles.
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I don't get why there's a problem here.
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Come on, man.
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Because there's a weird Venn diagram situation going on
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where when he talks about pedophiles,
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he's not always talking about the LGBT community.
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But when he talks about the LGBT community,
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he's pretty much always weaving in pedophilia to it.
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Tends to.
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So the issue is, I mean, we've seen this 100 times
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as we've been doing this show.
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There's so many times that he just,
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exactly what he did there.
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He's saying that, oh, well, that must mean that the community
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is run by the P. That is an unnecessary step for him
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to take.
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And it's not the conclusion that he's
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coming to from innocent coverage of other things.
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It's because every time he covers any of these issues,
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he can't resist the urge to be like, what they're really doing
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is trying to fuck our kids.
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Yeah, I know.
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It's bananas.
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But that's why people are offended by it.
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If you're just making valid criticisms
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of the Catholic Church, have at.
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I think we're all pretty much there now.
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It took a long time.
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It took a long time.
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It took 50 to 100 to, I don't know,
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all of the church's existence for everybody
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to kind of be like, oh, yeah, they're
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a bunch of fucking pedophile rapists.
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And the pope knows about it.
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But man, you shouldn't.
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Just figure out where to put the period in a sentence, Alex.
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Just figure it out.
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You know, I'm a libertarian, and I
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think everybody should be able to do what they want to do.
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Period.
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And then skip the last part.
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Because then the last part is you being like,
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and also I'm justifying why everybody's
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saying this about me.
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Also, he's not a libertarian.
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No, of course not.
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But.
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No, he's a Nazi.
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And he doesn't believe any of the standard libertarian ideas.
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He just thinks he does.
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Right.
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But I don't know what else to say other
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than what we've already said.
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Like, in that clip, he's embodying
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why people come down on him when he talks about these things.
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It's because, I guess he uses the term anchor all the time.
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He's trying to anchor the idea of pedophilia and LGBT
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identity.
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He's trying to conflate the two things.
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And that's what he always does.
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We've seen it over and over again.
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I mean, I don't want to say that he hates every single gay
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person in the world.
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But it's hard not to feel that way based on his rhetoric.
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Hey, I don't care whether you're Christian or Muslim
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or Jewish or are there others.
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But I am just saying that all Muslims are
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run by murdering pedophiles.
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And I don't get why people think I'm Islamophobic.
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Yeah.
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It's tough to see why.
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Good work, Alex.
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Tough to see why that connection might be made.
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Oh, boy.
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So his show sucks.
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He's a dick.
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And he's a weirdo, like just the weird rambling
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esoteric nonsense leading into this very clear transphobia
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that he's trying to use to defend himself
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against allegations of transphobia.
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And yet, at the same time, like even then,
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it's allegations of transphobia hypocrisy in that he's
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enjoying.
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Well, we'll get to that in a minute.
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But then, even then, he could have just
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stuck with the transphobia stuff.
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And instead, he just roped everybody in with it.
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Oh, and people are saying I'm transphobic.
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But in reality, what I hate is everyone in the LGBTQ community
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because they're all pedophiles.
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All non-cis, hero identities are all monsters.
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Hey, you guys didn't make me seem bad enough.
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Yeah, I know, right?
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Just don't spell my name wrong.
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It's that kind of thing.
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Yeah, it is.
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Call me whatever you want, but make
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sure you know how hateful I am.
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So he's running a real terrible show.
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And it's really interesting to see who will still go on it.
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Oh, there's somebody goes on?
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Well, I mean, we had Ann Coulter was just on the other day,
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which is really fucked up.
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Because Alex has spent months talking
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about how much she sucks.
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Yeah, she's a demon.
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Well, also because she was one of the famous conservatives
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who turned on Trump and was like,
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he's not doing a good job.
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Hey, Ann Coulter, you can go to hell.
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You pile a bag and sack of skeleton.
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I bet, I bet.
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And now she's back on board.
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I'm going to go way out on a limb,
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and I'm going to say he probably insulted her appearance.
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Yeah, he did, definitely.
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And now I guess she's back on Trump's team.
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And so he's like, all right, I'll have her back on the show.
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She's willing to come on.
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Hooray.
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So she was on the other day.
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Daryl Hamamoto was on the other day, my dude.
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No shit?
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Yeah.
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All right.
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I'm liking a world where instead of anybody else,
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it's just Alex and Daryl co-hosted.
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He has the time for it.
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Yeah, right?
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Also, I looked into it, Daryl Hamamoto update.
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Is that our new corner?
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So my favorite crazy, Daryl Hamamoto, former Asian studies
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professor, vanguard researcher on the topic
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of desecralization of Asian males in American culture.
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Very interesting research, lost his mind at some point
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and started rambling about the New World Order.
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Needs help.
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We reported on this show that he had
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been fired by the UC Davis.
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Because he is no longer working at UC Davis.
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I bet he has a different position, Dan.
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I think he got forced into retirement.
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Because he's listed in their, I found their announcements
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of 2017, 2018 retirees.
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And I would say a lot of them have much longer tenures
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than him.
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They'd been there many more.
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He was there for 22 years as a professor.
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A lot of them were in the 40s of years.
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There's no reason why he'd retire except
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for like, dude.
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Go away.
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Yeah.
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We'll cut you a deal.
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So that's the secret of 2017.
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It could be.
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So Hamamoto, it appears, was not fired,
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but probably accepted some sort of a deal
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to go into retirement.
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But also recently.
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A golden parachute, so to speak.
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Also recently, he was on Alex Jones' show.
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And also on The War Room, that went a little bit viral,
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he was saying that there was a wave, a weather control
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weapon that was shot from Antarctica
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that split a hurricane.
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And he speculated that when John Kerry visited Antarctica
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a couple of years back, he was going
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to check on those weather weapons.
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And did not speculate it so much as he was saying,
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yeah, that's what happened.
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So this has been the Daryl Hamamoto update.
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I miss that guy.
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OK.
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All right.
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All right.
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He's so crazy.
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Weather weapon.
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He's so crazy.
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That split a hurricane.
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Oh, man.
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It didn't end a hurricane?
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You just split it?
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I was reading a bunch of his students' reviews,
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because UC Davis allows students to post
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reviews of their professors.
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Right, right, right.
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And they were all just like, this guy's a fucking prick.
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Also, there was a weird theme of, hey, he explains in class
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that he's a reverse racist.
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So if you're not Asian, you're going
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to have a bad time in this class.
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Like, oh, so he's just a racist.
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You know what?
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Sure.
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I'll buy with that.
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Whatever.
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Whatever, Hamamoto.
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Yeah, enjoy.
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So he's not the person who's on this episode, though.
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You're the one who didn't Google Daryl Hamamoto
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before you took his class.
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That's a cursory Google.
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It's kind of on you, student.
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Yeah.
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So he's not the one who's on this episode,
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but there's someone else who's still
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willing to go and show up for Alex Jones' show.
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Ben Garrison is our guest.
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Riding shotgun with collars.
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So Ben Garrison, my dude, is the guest.
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Great.
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If you don't remember, Ben Garrison is the guy
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who does political cartoons that are over-labeled.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Way too many labels.
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You know what I like about?
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Very, very amateurish hacky.
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My, you know, a lot of acting teachers will say to you,
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I've never actually taken an acting class,
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but I assume this is true.
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They'll say to you, acting is internal.
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Acting is about subtlety.
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And to me, Ben Garrison is the comic strip corollary of that.
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That is a man who maintains subtlety as an art form.
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Well, you know, it's like-
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He just transforms and then really
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even transcends the art form.
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In the world of speech, they say that brevity
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is the soul of wit.
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Right.
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And he is the visual analog of that aphorism.
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They say a picture is worth a thousand words.
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So long as you write a thousand words on that picture.
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No, the expression in Ben Garrison's world
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is a picture equals a thousand words.
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He slightly misinterpreted that.
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A picture requires a thousand words.
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Also, his fucking cartoons are generally,
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like, really get close to racist.
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And then also beyond that, I would
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say that he's kind of living proof that censorship doesn't
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exist of conservatives.
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Because the only reason he is at all popular
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is because of pretty reactionary,
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really fucked up political cartoons
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that he's drawn supporting Trump.
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His entire career is based on the fact
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that no one is censoring him.
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And that the people who agree with what he says
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enjoy a cartoon that doesn't force them to think
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about it for even one second.
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Fuck visual metaphors.
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I just want a cartoon to look like the words
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I say.
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That's it.
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I want it to be labeled.
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I want it to be codified.
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I want to make sure that for even one second,
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I never feel the fear of, am I going to figure this out?
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Have you ever seen the back of a cereal box, Dan?
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Sometimes they ask you to find the differences between two
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pictures, and I can't.
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And it makes me feel inferior.
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Ben Garrison is for you.
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I wish Ben Garrison would just point them out for me
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on the back of a cereal box.
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So we have a Facebook group called Go Home and Tell
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Your Mother You're Brilliant.
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And from time to time, people will post
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Ben Garrison cartoons in it.
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And every single time, I have to wrestle with,
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and I don't usually have this thought.
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It's like, this has got to be fake.
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You know, like, I can never tell if it's a joke.
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I legitimately, like, there have been
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a couple that have been fake Ben Garrison cartoons,
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and I can't tell.
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I legitimately can't tell the difference.
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How could you?
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He is self-parody.
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He has, like, you know how some people have singular styles?
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Yeah.
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He has the opposite.
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No, no, no.
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It's a style that's universal style.
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It's very easy for anyone to hate.
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Yeah.
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But so he still sees fit to show up on Alex's show.
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And I'll say that we're not going to listen
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to a ton of his appearance, but I
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think he has a really shaky idea of what free speech means.
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Or reality, or any.
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I don't want to judge him on those terms.
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That's Alex's playground.
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Sure.
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He just seems to not really understand
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what censorship or free speech has to do with.
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None of them do.
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None of them understand a goddamn fucking thing.
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But I'm glad that free speech exists for one reason
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and one reason only.
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And that is this next clip where Alex Jones does.
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Look, we've critiqued his Cuomo.
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We've critiqued his Bernie Sanders impression.
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They're the same.
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We've critiqued his Dracula Soros impression.
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Right, right, right.
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Who was the last one?
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He did another one.
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Fuck, I can't remember.
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We've critiqued him.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We've seen him try and pull out his bag of tricks.
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You know, the weirdest one was his John Madden.
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True.
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It was all high pitched and shit.
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And he wasn't trying to sell me fungus spray.
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Here's a guy.
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Boom, tough act to deny him.
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Boom, bad impression.
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So this impression, I will say, will live on
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as the least accurate impression.
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OK.
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Bernie Sanders is pretty far off.
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This one.
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Bernie Sanders is offensive to the mentally handicapped.
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Right.
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And I will say, for that reason, it's
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much more offensive than this impression.
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Right.
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But this one isn't like, this one isn't even,
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Bernie isn't in the ballpark.
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This isn't in the same state.
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Stop selling.
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Stop selling me.
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I got to hear this.
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It was banned in China.
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Google's helped build a censorship search engine there.
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I'm not liking where this starts.
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To make fun of the dictator is Winnie the Pooh.
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For whatever the reason, I guess the way he talks in Chinese
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sounds like, hello, Mr. Christopher Robin.
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I guess he lisp in the Chinese.
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And so the Chinese think it's funny, Christopher Robin.
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And so they're not allowed to make jokes about it.
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See how that works?
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You don't talk bad about it.
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He's a very important person in the 100 Acre Wood.
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What is happening?
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What?
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Does he think that's what Winnie the Pooh sounds like?
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Wow, that sounds more like a racist Kermit the Frog.
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What just happened there?
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There is an offensive Chinese thing
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that he's doing there for sure.
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Oh, there's absolutely an offensive Chinese thing.
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But there's not even a kernel of Winnie the Pooh in there.
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Do you know how bad that was?
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I immediately forgot how Winnie the Pooh actually sounds.
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Let me get you with it.
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I can hear it in my head, and then it was gone.
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Yeah.
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Oh, bother.
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There's a light.
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There's a lilt.
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There's a lilt to it.
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There is a mopiness.
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There's a little bit of a scratch.
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There's a mopiness.
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But there's also a slightly.
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It's not a British accent, but there's
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a slight Britishness to it.
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What was it?
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It's like the thing that makes it distinct,
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though, is that there is that light scratch.
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There's that light scratch on it, where it's almost like,
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oh, god, I can hear it in my head now perfectly.
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I can hear it perfectly, and I can never recreate it.
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Now, this is the time when I should say, full disclosure,
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I played Winnie the Pooh in a fire prevention skit
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when I was in seventh grade.
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I had to do some studying of the Winnie the Pooh voice.
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I will say, if I showed up and did that,
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I would have been fucking fired from that drama club.
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Oh, yeah?
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Oh, yeah, for sure.
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You're too bad.
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Well, I mean, if it was all Chinese immigrants doing
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the play, then I really think they would have been
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right to fire you for that one.
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Sure.
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I just think anybody would.
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Does he sound like that?
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I don't know what Xi Jinping sounds like.
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It doesn't sound like that.
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That wasn't accurate for Xi.
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That wasn't accurate for Winnie the Pooh.
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It was just, that was Alex just doing it.
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Yeah, that was him.
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That was him somehow doing it.
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Like, he might as well have said Ching Chong Bing Bong
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while he was doing it.
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He's not Jesse Waters.
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But, like, legitimately, I think what happened is probably,
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like, he said Winnie the Pooh, and he's like,
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I'm going to go for it.
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And then he started, and he was like, ooh.
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Terrible idea.
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Can't stop now.
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Yep.
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Got to power through this.
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Can't show ass.
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Got to soldier through.
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Exactly.
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And that's the way you hear him get to 100 Acre Woods.
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You're closer to Yoda.
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Yeah, exactly.
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What are you doing?
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Yeah.
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Anyway.
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Oh, man.
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I told you that we're not going to hear much from Ben Garrison,
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but I do think it's appropriate that we
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hear a little bit from him.
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I'm going to need you to label everything he says, though.
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If we were on SoundCloud, I would just
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post a bunch of comments right around this point.
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No, I would just say, like, after every word he says,
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I want you to say another word that
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explains the words that he's saying.
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I can't do that, but I can explain it afterwards.
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OK.
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Can you label it?
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These companies, they are such villains.
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Well, they certainly are.
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And, you know, we saw this last year
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start when they banned Andrew Anglin and his Daily Stormer
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site.
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Now, I despise Andrew Anglin.
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This is a picture of a storm?
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And I don't like Nazis, and most Americans don't.
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So they started with an easy target.
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OK, we're not going to allow him pay taxes to PayPal.
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We're not going to have.
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We're going to take his site off of GoDaddy.
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We're going to harass him and kick him off everywhere
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we find.
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Bigfoot.
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This is the whole crux of the matter.
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We have to protect even unpopular speech.
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Shield.
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I think he should pay the consequences
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if he's doing things illegally.
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$100 bill.
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If he is just having fun with his, you know,
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He has a right to his free speech, just like bounce out.
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We've got to let him have his free speech.
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Because now what they're doing, since they successfully
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got rid of all the Nazis, they're
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starting to label conservatives of Nazis.
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And then we get kicked off, too.
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That's their plan.
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Well, that's been the admitted plan.
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So the problem that I have here is the understanding
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of free speech.
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I think I could draw what he just said into a perfect Ben
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Garrison cartoon.
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Look, Daily Stormer got kicked off of PayPal and GoDaddy.
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Do you mean a giant cumulonimbus cloud with a calendar on it?
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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They didn't have their free speech in any way violated.
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These businesses were like, oh, shit,
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let's not help Nazis raise funds to harass Jews.
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And then the business made a decision,
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we don't want to be a part of that.
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That's not free speech being infringed upon.
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No, that's a company being slightly better
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than Ford Motors?
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Now, I agree with what he's saying in principle,
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the idea of you have to protect even abhorrent speech.
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But that's when the state is saying
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you can't say those things.
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That's not when companies are saying, hey,
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you represent something we are absolutely against,
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so no, get off our fucking thing.
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We have the right to say we don't
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want to do business with you.
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But if these guys understood a goddamn,
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like this is one situation where I
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am going to put them all on the stupid continuum as opposed
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to the, when we're talking about the stupid v. evil continuum.
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I think they're protecting themselves.
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It's not stupid.
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I think they're fucking stupid.
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I think they just don't understand that.
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Because that's like the same way Alex Jones thinks
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that the First Amendment rules apply in fucking England
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or whatever.
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Other countries, yeah.
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They just don't fucking know.
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They think it's some sort of biblical scripture.
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And they don't understand that it's like a thing.
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It kind of works with that grandiosity.
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One of the parts of having grandiose delusions
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is that you think that all of the world
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should treat you the same everywhere you go.
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You're like, I deserve.
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So yeah, I agree with you to some extent.
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But I also think that it's a calculation on their part
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because they realize like, fuck, their behavior got
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them kicked off of these things that we
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need in order to make the money that we scam off people.
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We are probably the next in the crosshairs
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because, let's be clear, we've done some pretty bad,
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like not illegal stuff.
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But we've done stuff that's obviously
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distasteful to most people's sensibilities.
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So of course we're going to turn this
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into a thing where we misrepresent
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what free speech means.
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Like I don't, that's why the present day I think
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is such a stupid fucking show is because I
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think the present day is a stupid fucking life.
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Well, but it's particularly with Alex Jones
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and his free speech martyrdom campaign that he's going on.
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Like it's not, it doesn't, I know
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that were someone who liked Alex Jones to listen to the show,
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they would probably be like, hey,
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why aren't you wrestling with this thing
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you're saying about being kicked off of stuff?
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And my response to that would be what
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I say a lot of the time, which is I dispute the premise.
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I don't care, I don't, I reject that as an idea.
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If he had his free speech taken away by the state, right?
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Yeah.
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Like if the state was saying shut down Alex Jones
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and they were actually doing that.
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Oh, do you mean like if the president in fact came out
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and said that a private company should do this in order
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to force someone to stop doing something
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and then turned it into a law?
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Or further, if those companies, if Alex could like legitimately
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prove that they were all working together against him.
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Like the NFL against Colin Kaepernick.
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Right.
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Oh shit, that case is still going through.
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So like if you could prove those things,
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it would be a different conversation.
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But he needs to prove those things in any way
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before it's a valid argument on free speech grounds.
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Right now, it's just an asshole getting his druthers.
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He's getting what he deserves, that's it.
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It's not interesting to me even as a conversation.
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It's just like, hey, sucks to be you,
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but that's because you became a millionaire by being a dick.
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That's what happens.
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Sometimes the game doesn't last forever.
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I would say almost all the time the game doesn't last forever.
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Sometimes it's a real cool ride and then.
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Eventually they even got Dennis Hastert
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and he was protected for 40 years.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Yep, it comes for you.
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Anyway, Alex.
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Jesus, these fucking guys.
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He hides behind his perception of himself as a libertarian.
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He hides behind this idea that I'm a libera,
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everyone just do whatever you want.
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He believes he's a libertarian.
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Right.
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I genuinely believe that he believes that.
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He's not because he doesn't understand it at all.
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But that's because I think that he just, I don't know.
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It's hard to say, but I think he got into the Birch Society
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when he was younger, John Birch Society.
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I think he fell in love with Ron Paul at some point.
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And quite frankly, I think that has less to do with politics
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and more with identity.
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Racism.
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Yeah.
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And I think that because Ron Paul probably
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identified more libertarian, that just became like,
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oh, whatever Ron Paul believes, that's what libertarian is.
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And that, I don't know.
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I also don't think that you'd ever
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be able to find five libertarians ever
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that believe the same thing.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Right.
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I think that if you have more than three libertarians
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in a room, you will have a disagreement.
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That's my sort of.
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Is that your ancient Chinese aphorism?
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Yeah, I think that's an axiomatic statement.
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They don't agree on anything except that they're not
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fucking Republicans.
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That's all they agree on.
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Yeah, but that's because they're,
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what it is is an identity that's like, well, we just don't
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want to call ourselves Nazis.
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Right.
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We recognize that Republicans are Nazis,
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and we don't want to call ourselves that.
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It's more just like, I don't know.
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How would I put this?
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It's more like there's this sort of high school
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mentality of needing to define yourself as something other.
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In opposition to something.
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Right, right.
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So even if you are mostly just like,
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I believe everything that Republicans believe,
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you've got to choose some other thing if you want to feel cool.
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Right, right.
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And then you can't be like, maybe you like pop music,
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but you can't identify as that.
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You could be like, well, actually, I'm.
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They can't positively identify themselves,
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so they have to negatively identify themselves.
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Yes.
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They can't articulate something they believe.
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They can only articulate things that they don't believe.
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They need to exist in opposition.
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Yes.
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I think that's a good way to put it.
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Yeah.
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But Alex Jones in this next clip, I think,
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makes pretty fucking clear that he's
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nowhere near any kind of legitimate libertarian belief.
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This is ludicrous.
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So we need the First Amendment Act for the internet.
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That's what it's called.
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The First Amendment Act saying unless it's
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illegal like anything else, you don't have
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regulatory power over it.
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If it's a third party posting, you
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can have your terms of service and remove it.
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But only for reasons that violate law,
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you can't then interpret and project onto it
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whatever you want that if Alex Jones says,
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I don't want transsexuals teaching three-year-olds
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that they're a different sex.
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That is sexualizing children.
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Not that I hate men in drag and clown outfits.
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That's what it is.
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It's that I don't want heterosexuals, homosexuals,
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anybody sexualizing kids.
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They go, oh, you don't like transsexuals.
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No.
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No, I'm a libertarian.
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I don't like you involved with the kids.
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Stop it.
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So they change the subject.
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And then they go, oh, you're off Twitter.
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You're off Facebook.
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You bullied transsexuals because they're public figures.
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But they're so special and protective,
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they get access to your children.
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And then I ask, is it L-G-B-T-P?
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Because every time I say, leave the kids alone,
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stop sexualizing them by heterosexuals,
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the Catholic church, any of these groups,
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they say, oh, you're being LGBT-phobic.
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And I'm saying, if you're adults doing things
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in your own bedroom, I'm not phobic.
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Okay, give me a break.
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It's an obsession that you think I'm obsessed
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with what you're doing in your bedroom.
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It's boring.
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The point is, is that it's the sexualization of children.
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So they change the subject.
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You see what I'm saying?
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No, you just said cross dressers or people,
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you know, trans people.
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They're clowns.
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They're clowns.
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They're clowns.
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They're wearing clown suits.
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They're clown outfits.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't understand why people would take that
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as a transphobic thing to say.
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He can't stop himself.
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I'm just saying that every part
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of what it is you are is a clown.
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Legitimately, when he's trying to defend himself
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in his speech of like, well, isn't it crazy
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that they think that I'm some kind of an asshole
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about this stuff?
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He is an asshole about it.
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And also, as a libertarian,
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I want them to write a law regulating
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everybody else's speech to give me free reign
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to do whatever it is I want.
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Now we need to-
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You know, like a libertarian.
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We need to unpack that quite a bit more.
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Because the other stuff we could just be like,
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Alex, just fucking own your transphobia.
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Yeah, just be that way.
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And own your homophobia.
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You're a racist, homophobic, fucking absolute bigot.
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You're a bigot.
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Well, yeah, absolutely.
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And it is the same thing of like,
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he's scared to see Muslim women at the pool shop, right?
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But he's fine if they're Muslim women at home
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or something like that.
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Oh, did you read the op-ed in the,
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I think it was the Wall Street Journal?
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No.
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There was this one-
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I don't even know.
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I don't need specifics.
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I did not read it.
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Okay.
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There was this person, let's not call them a writer.
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Let's not call them a writer.
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Let's call them just a person who went to-
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One with a pen.
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Who went to London and wrote this hugely Islamophobic piece
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that was like, and so when I was a kid,
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I went there and I saw somebody in a niqab.
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Oh.
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And I was terrified.
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I saw someone tweet about this,
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but I was like, I'm not clicking on that.
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Yeah, no, it's such like, or like, no,
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the word, my favorite part.
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My favorite part was, it was like,
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and then I saw a sign that said, no alcohol allowed here.
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And I was like, well, this must be the Muslims.
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And then you're like, dude,
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London allows alcohol everywhere,
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except for places where assholes are.
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That has nothing to do with any religion
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and everything to do with assholes.
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There were my-
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Unlike in America, most places are like New Orleans,
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where you can just walk around with beer wherever you want.
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And there's only specific zones
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where people have committed active violence a lot.
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So fucking stupid, amazing.
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And then people are just gonna believe that shit
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as though that's a justification for their Islamophobia.
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It's bananas.
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Right, I mean, that reminds me of that Lauren Southern clip
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that she posted not too long ago,
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where she was talking to people in like a Muslim area.
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And it's like, hey, well, there's an Arabic restaurant
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right here, but where is there a British restaurant?
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And the person was like, oh, it's just right down the block.
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It's right over there.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's a pub right over there.
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It's a corner.
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Yeah, yeah, no, around the corner.
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Lauren Southern's like, hmm, whoops.
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Yeah, because the arguments always fall apart
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like if anyone who has the information
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can answer the question.
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And that's generally why they write an op-ed,
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because there's no response to that.
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Yeah, because there's nobody who's like-
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Or they just use people selectively
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that they talk to who probably don't have the answers
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that they, you know, you say it.
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Like I said-
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It's almost like they're constructing a narrative
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that has nothing to do with reality
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in order to make people afraid of something,
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and then they'll believe the rest of the dumb shit
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that they say.
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It's very similar to what?
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No, what?
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Anders Breivik.
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Huh?
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No, I can't think of anything like that.
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So-
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It's a completely new phenomenon.
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I need to unpack this regulation thing
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a little bit more though.
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I really need to, because it's very important.
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So Alex is anti-regulation as a rule.
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But he wants regulation on the internet
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as a free speech act in order to make it
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so they could not be any regulation on the internet.
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So you want to-
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A First Amendment Act.
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Sorry, that's just a fun name for an act.
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Right, it's stupid.
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A First Amendment Act, you know,
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one like the First Amendment, but it's for me only.
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So we're creating regulation in order to make it
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so these people can't have regulations
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that govern what they will or will not accept
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in terms of internet behavior.
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I don't know what you're saying.
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So the problem with that-
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I can see no problem.
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Well, I mean, obviously it would apply to anybody.
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It would apply to like, if you have a blog
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and someone leaves a comment that you don't like,
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you can't kick them off unless they commit a crime.
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See, you just proved how great that act is.
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You don't have control over your own space
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on the internet that you created.
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Yeah, of course not, you shouldn't.
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No, and hey, let's say, I mean,
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we have knowledgefight.com and a lot of people
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have left some really fucked up comments-
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Really?
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That I haven't erased and I've written responses to.
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Oh no shit, I haven't read any.
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I want to read some now.
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I'll send you the link.
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Okay.
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The article that I wrote about George Soros
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particularly has gotten a lot
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of really fucking stupid people-
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I can't imagine why.
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And then what I do is I take the points
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that they're making and I write like,
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well, here's why that's wrong.
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And you know, hey, he's not the best person in the world.
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He's absolutely a billionaire and that's suspicious.
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But the specific points that you're bringing up
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are lies that are based on stupid globalist propaganda.
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You know, all that shit.
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Dan, you need to take a page out of the Atlantic
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and really trying to understand these people.
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And you know what, you don't want to treat them
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like what they're saying isn't wrong, Dan.
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George, you're missing the point.
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Sorry.
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So I engage with all that on the website.
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But at the same time, there are a bunch of times
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that we get spam comments from like,
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buy shoes for $25 or whatever.
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Right.
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That's not illegal.
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Now I can't erase that from the website.
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I can't clean up our comment section.
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That's not a crime for them to advertise
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in our comment section.
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Or now we need a regulation saying that it is a crime
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for you to advertise in the comment section
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in order for you to clean up spam comments that come in.
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You understand the problematic territory
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he's entering into in terms of,
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hey, no regulations on the internet.
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You can say whatever you want.
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You know what?
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Normally I facetiously buck against you
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and take the wrong side as a joke.
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But nah, that's dumb, dude.
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Well, but that's even like-
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That's totally stupid, bro.
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That's only the simplest reason why it's fucking stupid.
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Oh, no, no, no.
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Don't worry.
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Like reasons of, hey, harassment sometimes is a murky area
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of whether it's illegal or not,
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but you shouldn't fucking do it
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and you should be punished for it
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because a decorum should exist.
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Like there's much better arguments than spam comments,
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but just that one simple thing like,
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hey, Alex, now you need to create the Free Speech Act,
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the First Amendment Act with a caveat
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that I can erase spam on like the sunglasses sales
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or whatever.
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I'm leaning now more towards like,
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especially after today,
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just the barrage of stupidity
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that the internet gave me today.
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I'm just like, you know what?
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I am for Trump's EPA.
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I want them to deregulate all CO2 emissions.
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I want everything to be in the atmosphere
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because you know what's really gonna happen
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when that happens?
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Everybody's gonna die except a few billionaires.
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They're gonna have their castles or whatever, right?
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Or if you believe that Matt Damon movie that Alex thinks-
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But guess what?
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We are all going to go to their fucking castles
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and we're gonna murder them and we're gonna live in them.
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So humanity gets what it gets.
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We have it coming to us,
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but like a hundred of us are gonna live
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in Peter Thiel's fucking island
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and we're gonna eat the Peter Thiel bones.
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We're gonna make fucking soup out of him.
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I know there's not a lot of calories in it.
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There's still chicken that's gonna exist.
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No, but that'll be fine.
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We can get to that later.
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And we should transition to a vegetarian diet.
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First we have to put Peter Thiel's head on a goddamn spike.
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And then-
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Like it's Lord of the Flies?
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Exactly like Lord of the Flies.
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Why are we Lord of the Flies?
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Because we're better than that.
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Are we?
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And that was based on the Stanford prison experiment,
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which has actually been debunked.
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So that is a fun piece of literature,
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but also doesn't necessarily depict the behavior-
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No, once again, as we've stated previously,
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in any kind of crisis,
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most people come together and try and help each other.
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And actually in this episode,
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Alex does say 10 days after anything,
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most people become cannibals.
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So he says it on this episode.
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It's a very episode.
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I didn't pull a clip of it
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because it's like he says it all the time.
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But on this ride that we've been on,
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I don't need to bring up again
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how weird he's been with esoteric nonsense,
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but he's twice tried to talk about
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how he's not against trans people.
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And in doing so has been very much trying to conflate
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the ideas of queer identities with pedophilia.
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He's been very explicit about being against transphobic
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or being against trans people.
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Right.
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So I don't want to talk about that too much
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because who cares?
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Right.
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And I don't mean who cares in a way
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that is dismissive of the feelings of people
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who are hurt by that.
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Because I do understand that you could,
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you know, trans identifying people
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would probably be like,
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hey, motherfucker, your rhetoric is so dehumanizing
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about us and now you want to use us
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as a way to get your jollies?
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Yeah.
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You know, that sort of thing.
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I don't want to take away from that.
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I respect that position.
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That's not an argument I can make.
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That's for them to make and I back them up 100%.
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Yeah.
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The only thing that I care about, first of all,
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is that he clearly was looking at porn on a phone
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that he's using at work, which is very unprofessional.
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I think it's-
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At least it's unprofessional.
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I think that there's that.
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It's sexual harassment in just about every workplace.
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And then we get to the bigger issue, I think,
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which brings us to our last clip.
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And that is that because everyone posted about all this
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and it doesn't really hurt him all that much,
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but he's going to use that to his benefit.
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No.
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Because if it happens on my phone,
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it just magically gets out everywhere.
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I was thinking about doing a trolling operation
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where Soros text messages me,
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good job, Jones, keep it up.
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And like a split second of it being seen,
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it's like top news story all over the world.
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And I'm saying that because I'm going to do that troll
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and people are going to believe it,
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that I'm going to be able to go back to this
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and point it out.
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I'm going to do one with Trump too.
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I'm going to wait like a month or something though.
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I'm going to troll the hell out of it.
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Go back to Ben Garrison and phone calls here in a moment.
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Great work, dude.
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This is like another perfect example
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of when much earlier in this show,
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I was saying like, hey,
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that Bonnie Ver song is really fun.
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I'm glad everyone's having a fun time with it,
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but you need to realize how propagandists
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will use the response that you give to them
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for their benefit.
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Now, I don't think Alex is going to follow through with this,
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but that's his way of reclaiming this embarrassing moment
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in his life and trying to turn it into something like,
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ha ha, I'm going to, oh, look,
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look how much press I got out of that.
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I'm going to fucking, you know.
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He claims that it's just like, oh, it was a pop-up.
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It wasn't a pop-up.
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It was an ex-video screen.
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The screen, that's not, that's not where pop-ups go.
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No, pop-ups go to like a Sheehan?
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Mike Sheehan?
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No, no, no, no, like the store.
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They go to specific places
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that'll either give you a virus
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or they go to places that are trying to sell you something.
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Oh shit, did you know that you were the thousandth visitor
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to this and you get a free app download?
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Oh my God.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you need to go visit the site
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and then you'll get a free app download.
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That's what pop-ups do.
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Yeah.
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So, but he's trying to use that to reclaim it
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and trying to turn it into like,
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oh, I'm going to fuck with people even more.
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And the implicit piece of that is that
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maybe I was fucking with them that time.
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Yeah.
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When he wasn't.
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No.
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But he's good.
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He's slick.
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He's just, so we've come to the end of this
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and the only things that I can really take away
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are he's in a weird mood.
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Yeah, yeah, little bit.
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No one in his world. Little bit.
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No one in his world really understands the issues
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that they're talking about.
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Nope.
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And then man, he should just not touch
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like gay issues or LGBT issues at all.
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He can't resist making it bad.
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You know what I mean? Yeah.
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Like he just can't.
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That's because he is.
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I think that there are like the stories
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that he wants to cover.
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Some of them have like blagues and people do a better job.
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Like we were talking about the Catholic church.
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That's not a gay or trans issue.
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That is a, that's a fucking church issue.
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That's a dude issue.
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That's a dude issue.
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Once again.
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That's a pedophilia issue.
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Dudes.
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Yeah, but so there's people who can cover that much better
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because it seems like every time he does,
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he drifts into real bigotry and he demonstrates
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it so fucking clearly.
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It's, it's nuts.
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I hate, I hate this in the present.
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I really do.
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You were mocking me for not being effervescent
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earlier in the show.
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And the reason is because I just got done listening to
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and chopping this up.
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It sucks.
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I know.
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His show is bad.
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I know.
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I'm not trying to be, I'm look, I got a job to do.
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You got a job to do.
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Mine is infinitely, infinitely easier.
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I'm just, I'm just here to.
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I appreciate it.
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To fucking try and God damn it, dude, this is.
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Oh, bigger issue.
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What's that?
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His Winnie the Pooh impressions terrible.
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His Winnie the Pooh.
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Oh man.
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So.
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Can you hear that again?
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No.
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Pull it back.
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I don't want to keep covering the present.
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I know that I keep choosing to.
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There's a sick fascination that's like,
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is it going to be, what's it going to be like?
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You know, it's that, it's that,
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it's that Schrodinger's podcast or whatever,
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you know, like maybe it's the craziest thing ever.
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Until you observe it, you cannot know.
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It exists as both until you observe it.
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Yeah.
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And maybe on some level I needed to do this
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just to like hit a reset button
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from the Anders Breivik episode.
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There's a decent chance that that's the case.
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Yeah.
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Like maybe it would have felt like
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we were copping out by doing a Jim Baker
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let's just laugh at him.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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If we were just going to clown on somebody for two hours.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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There's a lot of issues that I need to unpack on my own.
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And thankfully I'm going to therapy tomorrow
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so I can do that.
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Good.
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But this sucks.
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Alex is a disaster.
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I don't know what else to say other than we have a website.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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We do have a website, Dan.
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What is that website?
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Oh, you don't have any more thoughts either.
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What do we have then?
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It's knowledgeflight.com.
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I mean, what, what, all of, all of the stuff,
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I'm not saying that I don't,
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I'm not saying that I'm manufacturing this in the moment.
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I'm just, I'm just unsure of any other way forward
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for so much, like with this episode, all of that stuff,
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if we were, if we weren't our show,
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if we were just a mainstream news outlet
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trying to cover news,
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all that I would think is just like pass.
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There's more important shit, stop it.
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Right.
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You know, like all of this shit,
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every time we get a rundown of dumb ass Trump's tweet storm,
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everybody's just been like fucking pass.
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No, you don't get this.
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This isn't for this, you don't win.
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And by giving you attention, you win.
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So you don't get this.
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This time you lose.
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And that's the only way to make you lose
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is to just say, fuck you.
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We're not talking about you.
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Grow the fuck up.
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Every Trump headline on like Google news
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shouldn't be like Trump at 6 AM tweeted this bullshit.
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It should just be like, Trump said some dumb shit pass
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and then move on because everybody fucking knows.
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I disagree. It doesn't matter.
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I disagree.
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I think that there certainly isn't, it's not us.
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And I don't know if it exists,
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but I think that there is probably a hypothetical version
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of covering like his dumb tweets, like in a real version,
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there's a way to do it.
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Like, I think that there is a way for someone to do it,
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but everyone does it wrong.
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It's what we keep coming back to about the like
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sort of ping pong nature of propaganda
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and the emotional response.
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There is like, it's the two sides of the same coin.
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Right.
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And it's what is manifest in that last clip
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of Alex saying like, I'm gonna troll people
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with like sorrow texting me good job
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and just see it for one second,
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like that thing that everyone was, you know.
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It's that same thing.
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Like people like Alex, people like Trump,
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people like most of the active participants in the right
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in the alt right now.
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Nazis.
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They know, they know the game.
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They're trying to elicit the response
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that most people give them.
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Yeah.
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They're trying to do that
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because it's advantageous to them.
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They have no shame.
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The reason that it's not a big deal for Alex
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in his own heart to be seen with a window of pornography
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open on his phone, that wasn't his history,
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that was open in his phone as a window.
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Yeah.
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The reason it's not shameful for him
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is because he doesn't fucking care.
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There's no shame.
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There's no bottom. Of course not.
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He knows what he's doing.
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He's craven.
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He is just, he is a fucking,
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just a source of transmuting fear,
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white identity, chauvinism, anti-Islam feelings
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into pill sales.
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He's the full propaganda alchemist.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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No, I, I, yeah.
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And all of those people are too.
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They don't all have pill operations,
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but all of them are running the same game,
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whether it's clicks,
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whether it's Ben Shapiro has supplements,
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he's selling them.
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Right, right, right, right.
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It's great, because the world's great.
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All of these people are doing the exact same game.
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And in order to run the game,
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you have to elicit the response out of the other side
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that feeds into that game.
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Now, we don't elicit that response.
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Like we hear him and-
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No, we get very different responses.
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Well, but like, we're not going to give him the,
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like the petulant child screaming that wants attention.
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We're not giving him attention.
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We cover his show, which you could interpret as attention,
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but I think it would be a mis-
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If it was interpreted as intention,
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he would have brought us up
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and parade us around as monsters by now.
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I think it would be a misinterpretation.
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What we do is we take his rhetoric,
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unpack it, laugh at it,
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point out why it's fucking stupid.
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And there is a version of that
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with all of the alt-right figures, Trump included,
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that can exist.
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It's just not what is most popular.
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But that is exactly how I feel about it.
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And it's that double-sided, you know?
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Like, hey, to Alex Jones's benefit
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is to elicit that reaction that we've talked about.
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To the Atlantic's benefit is to respond to that,
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because then they get more clicks.
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Trump tweets out some bullshit.
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They cover that bullshit the way that they fail at doing,
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and they get more clicks.
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It's pro wrestling shit.
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And then because they all just bounce back and forth.
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Like the one thing that infuriated me,
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like, I don't know what it is.
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I don't know why I still read the Atlantic.
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I think it's just out of pure hatred.
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Fair.
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It's just like hate-filled, like a hate read.
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But this one thing this guy wrote was like,
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it turns out children don't trust
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the mainstream media anymore.
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And there's no reason that I can think of why.
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And it's like, well, you guys are a fucking failure.
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Why do children need to trust a newsman?
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I know!
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You know who I trust?
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Why are you asking them?
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They're fucking 12!
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You know who I trusted as a kid?
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Linda fucking Ellerbee.
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I know!
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Like, what are you guys all fucking doing?
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What's wrong with you?
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Man, I love Linda Ellerbee.
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Every aspect.
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And it's not that I want to like dip into this rhetoric.
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But until the, like, because now the martyrdom
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of the mainstream media.
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And I hate even using that fucking phrase,
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because that's a goddamn pointless nonsense.
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It's coded language.
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Until the news media, until they're willing and capable
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of examining themselves and how it is that they too
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have enabled all of this shit to happen,
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how they too are at fault for whenever Trump says
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that they are the enemy of the American people.
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They need to throw in that whale.
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You need to fucking look at your goddamn selves
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and ask yourself, why did this come about?
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How did this guy come about?
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And oh, yeah, guess what?
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You are fucking culpable too.
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Were we complicit?
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And the fact that it doesn't happen,
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that it never happens, that they're just like,
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oh, now we're the victim.
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They're doing the same game that the fucking idiots
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did 10 years ago.
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It's infuriating to me.
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They have failed.
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And they don't even want to admit it.
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I'm furious.
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No response.
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Sorry.
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Sorry.
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Sorry.
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I don't know if we were going to wrap up the show, Dan.
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I'm sorry.
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Yep.
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You asked me if I had any.
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Shouldn't have done that.
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You should not have done that.
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I mostly agree with that rant that came out.
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But I think I lost a couple of the points in the screaming.
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Well, that's Jordan.
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I do agree that the media at large,
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it does need to have a come to Jesus moment.
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Because they're not recognizing the game that's being played.
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Because the game has changed to a great degree.
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And I kept trying to interject.
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Yeah, I'm sorry for that.
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Well, but it's pro wrestling shit.
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It's the same thing with the way wrestling
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works now, especially in the WWE,
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is that who cares if it's good or bad if it gets a reaction.
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So if you're a bad guy, or you're a heel,
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or you're a face, it doesn't matter
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unless you're getting a reaction.
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The worst thing is getting no reaction.
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It's clicks.
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You're going out there, you're the best wrestler in the world,
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and no one is interested at all, you're dead in the water.
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And that's the way it is with the media.
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We've shifted into a place where legitimately understanding
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pro wrestling I think is going to be
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one of the most important things moving forward.
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I really don't disagree.
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Because it provides you with a little bit of a defense,
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or at least internal defense.
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You can understand like, oh, that's why they're doing that.
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He's being a shit heel.
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Or Ben Shapiro challenging someone to a debate
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and then bailing on the debate when
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he pretends that they didn't reach whatever qualification
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he wanted.
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No, he's being the cowardly heel.
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That's what he's doing.
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He's refusing to do the match until WrestleMania or whatever.
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You know, like they're all playing
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by a weird wrestling playbook.
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And it's not conducive to things going well.
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And when the media is trying to be like, we are just here.
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Yeah, we're just reporting the news.
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Yeah, fuck off.
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What they end up doing is being tricked by heels over and over
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and over and over again.
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That's, no, you make a great point.
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And at the same time, the faces end up looking fucking stupid.
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Because those are the people who are like,
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Constantly get tricked by the heels.
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Exactly.
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They're the people who are responding to the heels doing
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obviously evil stuff.
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And then they look like fucking dicks.
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There's nothing to do other than be, I guess,
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the shitty fan who's watching it like we are.
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No.
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We are basically the jaded fan who's watching wrestling
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being like, hey, look at this bullshit.
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Well, you just encapsulated it perfectly.
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Because I do think the modern fandom of professional wrestling
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is just as much interested in the meta-narrative
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as they are in the actual narrative.
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Probably.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, probably.
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The, you know, after we let, no, I don't disagree.
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But I'm just saying that what I know as far as compared
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to when I watch wrestling in the Attitude era versus now.
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Can I stop you just before you get into this?
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Because I think you're going to embarrass yourself.
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Sorry.
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I am going to.
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I think it's because we're, like, I'm early 30s,
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you're late 20s.
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I think it's because there's a-
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31.
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Oh, you're 32.
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OK, sorry.
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Jesus Christ, man.
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Sorry.
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And I don't like admitting that on air
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because I can play a 26.
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But you know what, fine.
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I thought you were 29 for a second.
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I don't know why.
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But look, there is a difference between knowing people
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who like wrestling while we're in our 30s and being children.
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So you're projecting from the past, like,
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the understanding, back then, 30-year-old people
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who liked wrestling probably liked it in the same way
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that people we know like wrestling now.
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That's a great point.
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We just have the projection of youthful minds.
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I retract that entirely.
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Then here's my point.
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Without that bullshit, personal context.
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The Attitude era was fun.
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But without that bullshit, personal context,
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it is that from the distance of recognizing
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the meta-narrative in wrestling as being something
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that you can watch, so is recognizing
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the meta-narrative of our current political news
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propaganda important.
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Like, to recognize that even if the individual reporters
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at The New York Times are just trying to get to a deadline
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and their boss said, you know, you've
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got to write 1,000 words on block,
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somebody at The New York Times recognizes the meta-narrative.
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Hopefully, I think they must.
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Somebody there knows we have to respond to this because it's
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going to get us more traffic than if we don't respond to it.
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Right.
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There are people who recognize that who are playing the game,
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and we're not.
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Like, you and I probably are.
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But like, most people are not playing that game.
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Most people are still stuck in the, like, wrestling is real.
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Like, I don't know what to tell.
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Well, the stakes are different because back, you know, like.
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You know, because families are getting
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separated from their children.
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Right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The stakes are a tiny bit different.
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The metaphorical version we're talking about is like,
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I don't know, the Iron Sheik goes over.
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He's the villain and he goes over.
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Yeah, but that's the.
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In the real world, it's like, hey, someone's getting bombed.
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Yemen, people are dying.
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Yeah, every single, yeah.
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So like, the Rohingya people are still being, like, slaughtered.
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Hey, you know, but Aung San Suu Kyi definitely
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deserve that Nobel Peace Prize.
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So for sure.
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The stakes are different, but recognizing
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those similarities and rhetoric is incredibly important
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because you can't allow yourself to be baited in the way
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that people like Alex Jones bait.
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And what's so fucked up about it is that sometimes there
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are things that are legitimately like,
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he didn't mean for his phone to show that.
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No, absolutely not.
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But it still provides him an opportunity.
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To pretend like he meant for his phone to show that.
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Or to turn it into a positive for him.
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And you need to, people need to recognize,
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I don't want to just turn this into a large soapbox,
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but people need to recognize.
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You know how I hate doing that.
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Yeah, people need to recognize the instances of like,
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this is a viable thing to like, oh, hey,
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here's the thing to point out, and things that aren't.
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Like, I've seen thousands, and some of them
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were tweeted at me, thousands of tweets
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about his pornographic intake, which I'm not interested in.
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I've seen zero tweets about how he probably murdered a guy.
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You know what I'm saying?
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That's a good fucking point.
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I've seen zero tweets about that.
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I've seen zero tweets about anybody talking
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about the, well, a couple tweets from fans.
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But you know, we did that episode
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about him and Anders Breivik being bosom buddies, basically.
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There's just the, you know, it's not,
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people aren't dealing with the important stuff.
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They're dealing with the stuff that is easily reclaimed
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into troll territory.
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And we all need to do better.
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We need to do better too, but everyone
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needs to do a lot better.
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Because we're closer to better.
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Or our instincts are more honed.
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We're just more focused on trying.
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And it seems like everybody else is more focused on clicks.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if we wanted clicks, we would actually promote
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whenever we put out an episode, which we don't.
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Dude, man, what if we cheated?
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What if we actually did what anyone does?
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And I haven't even, like, there have been episodes
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I don't even tweet that there's a new episode.
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I don't do shit.
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We're not good at this.
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I'm ashamed that we do this.
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That's the problem.
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Do you know how you understand the meta-narrative?
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Shame over understanding it.
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We record an episode, I put it up,
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and the next morning I'm like, god, I hope no one listens to it.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Look, I stand by it, but oh man, what if people listen to it?
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Oh man, what if we didn't have shame?
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God damn, Dan, we might own this world.
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Yeah.
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Starting to think about that though, actually.
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Yeah.
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You're not doing great.
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Every time I try and do something shameless,
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you try and stop me.
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I think you should not be shameless.
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But I think there's a lot of things in life
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where you get up in your head and you create demons
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and ghosts and fears where they don't exist.
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And I think some of that is a valuable, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Anyways, do we have a website, Dan?
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We do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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No shit.
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How would you get there?
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Would you put it into your search engine?
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Yeah, put it in your AltaVista.
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Yeah, OK, all right.
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Ask Jeeves.
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Ask Jeeves, whether or not you can knowledgefight.
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No, don't ask Jeeves.
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Ask Birdie Wooster.
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Oh, that's nice.
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He won't have anything to say.
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He has got nothing to say about that.
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He'll tell you about a great time
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he had at the Drones Club with Cats, Meat, Potter, Pierbrake.
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Man, I love it.
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Oh, I love it when you get into PG.
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I love Woodhouse so much.
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So good.
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Man, the descriptions of the Drones Club,
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it sounds like so much fun.
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Everyone's throwing roles at each other.
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I know.
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God damn it, they have a pool.
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So many times, I will go back and reread those
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and just be like, am I going to have
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to go back into the real world after this?
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Because this is a delight.
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What's Jeeves' version of the Drones Club?
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Do you know when the last time I reread them was?
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You don't know shit.
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Six years ago, Dan.
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It's called the Junior Ganymede.
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Sure.
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Yeah, that's something that you would absolutely
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remember off the top of your head
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if you reread it six years ago.
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It's a club for gentlemen's gentlemen.
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Yeah.
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For this and more references to BG Woodhouse,
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you could not go to our Twitter.
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And also, even in person, I won't tell you
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anything about P. Smith.
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I won't talk to you about his other works.
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No, that's a rule, though.
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Yeah.
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It also might be pronounced just Smith.
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The P might be silent.
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I don't even know.
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Anyway, we're on Twitter.
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We're on Facebook.
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We are on Facebook.
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We have a group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're
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Brilliant.
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It's where everybody is hanging out.
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We post Ben Garrison cartoons, a lot of fucking references
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to Daddy Shark.
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So many.
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
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No, I appreciate them all, but it's very jarring.
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Because I don't know this song.
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I don't have kids or anything.
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So it's fucking weird to me.
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It's a real song, though?
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Yeah, apparently.
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I genuinely thought it was something that he made up.
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Oh, no, it's a song, but I staunchly
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refuse to click on any of the videos that people post.
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I've never heard the actual song.
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But I have only ever heard him sing it.
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I can only guess, based on the words that come up
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in sort of closed captioning, that it's supposed
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to be Daddy Shark doo doo doo doo doo doo doo, I think.
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Mama Shark doo doo doo doo doo doo doo.
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I think something along those lines, but it bah bah bah bah.
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That's way better.
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It's much better.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Alex Jones, you have finally created something better
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than the original.
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It's one of the rare times that the remake is better
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than the original.
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I'm going to stress this one more time before we close,
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but we're also on iTunes.
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Alex Jones, if you're listening, which I hope you are.
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5-3-0.
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No, don't call me.
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NeonNip.
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Please, please.
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There's been a number of times that, especially
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in present day, he's gotten back to singing to country music.
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There have been some things that indicate
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that maybe he's listening.
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If you can hear me, Alex, please work the adjustment bureau.
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Into your rhetoric somehow.
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It's the worst fucking movie that Philip K. Dick has ever
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been involved with based on him writing the short story it's
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involved in.
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But I would love for you to just talk about hats.
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Just toss it in there.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Adjustment bureau.
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It's only like four pages.
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Alex, you can read the whole thing.
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Please.
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And Stephen King stole all that hat material
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and all of that shit.
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Don't even talk about Stephen King.
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You go right into it.
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Or even watch the movie you got in there.
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Damon in there.
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Not a good movie.
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You've got John Slattery.
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John Slattery is great, though.
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He's got a great hat.
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He's got a great hat.
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That's a man who looks great in a hat.
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Anyway.
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So I think one of the most important things
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that we touched on, and that isn't really
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the focus of this episode, but say what you will.
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Alex Jones almost killed a guy, or technically killed a guy.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first name caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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