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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan.
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Hello.
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Uh, Dan, how would you describe this podcast to somebody who, perhaps for the first time, for some reason they found this podcast, this specific episode.
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Right.
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Had never heard our show before.
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That'd be tough.
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Already, five minutes in, baffled as to why other people listened to it and somebody recommended it to them.
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I would say first of all, mind your business, stop being a judgmental asshole five minutes into the show.
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Dan, that's an aggressive way to start.
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And I'm sorry, because I kind of judge things pretty quick too.
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Alright, but now that's just too supplicant.
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I'm sorry I blew up at you.
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Alright.
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Look, this is a podcast where me and my friend Jordan here, we sit down and we talk about Alex Jones.
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Land it.
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Sometimes we talk about him in the present day.
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Land it.
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Sometimes, like today, we talk about things he's done in the past.
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Bring the plane into the runway.
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Other days, usually on Wednesdays we sit around and talk about other people, like Secret Space Program weirdos.
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Perfect.
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And Jim Bakker, those sorts of con men.
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Oh shit, I want to listen to this show now.
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It's pretty good.
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That's the show.
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So anyways, you know a lot about Alex Jones and I know what you tell me about.
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That's our specific dynamic.
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There we go.
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Like I said, Jordan, today we're going to be back in 2009 continuing.
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That will be going over February 19th and 20th.
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Gotcha.
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In 2009.
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I was hoping to cover a wider swath of time because we're trying to get to this tea party break out.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But just...
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We're like, we're on seven or eight episodes and we've been on two weeks.
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Maybe.
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Weird shit keeps happening.
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That's the beauty of Alex Jones.
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I thought for sure we'd be able to get through three days.
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And as I was going over the episodes I'm like, nope, nope.
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This episode has too much fun in it.
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So I'm very excited to tell you about a couple of the things I've learned.
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But there's one thing I'm more excited about.
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Alright.
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And I was giving a shout out.
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Ooh, is it a new donor?
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Actually today it's not a new donor.
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It is a donor who's taken their donation and bumped it up a little bit.
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Hell yeah.
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Very excited about this.
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Gentlemen, we met us down in Austin.
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So it's not even a stranger.
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Very thrilled to be welcoming Chris into the realm of the globalists.
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Chris, thank you so much.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you so very much, Chris.
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You are a delightful man.
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If you would like to support the show you can do so by going to our website,
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knowledgefight.com.
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Slightly remodeled now.
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Ooh.
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Didn't do all that much.
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Just took some of the clutter down.
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Gotcha.
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There's still a button there that you can press to support the show.
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Frankly, at this point we should just have,
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seeing as how little we've updated a lot of content,
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we should just have a website that is the button.
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Yeah.
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Just a giant click this button to donate.
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You were saying you don't have many hot takes for your blog lately
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and then all my writing about Alex has been so focused on this side project
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that I'm working on that I'm like,
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I don't want to write a blog post about him saying something stupid.
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Right.
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Just the impact value isn't that.
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We should just change the website to a big flashing.
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Please support the show.
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Please support the show.
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Or.
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I want to write.
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I have takes.
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I want to write things and then I get,
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like I finish it and I read it back and I go through the rest of the internet
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and I'm like, who the fuck cares what you think?
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Right.
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Why in God's name would you care what I think?
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Yeah.
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There are so many people.
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It's mysterious.
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Every time I see Conor Friedersdorf's name in the Atlantic I'm like,
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why do we even bother?
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Let's all just quit.
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If that guy is allowed to have a job, fucking we should all quit.
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I bet you also think that his name is a little too long.
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No.
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That's my first thought.
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Yeah.
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See, now this is why that person judging the show five minutes in, dead on.
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You are absolutely guilty of the same problems.
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We're only four minutes in.
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And also, Jordan, today is a special day in the neighborhood.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Mr. Rogers is alive again.
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He is.
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We brought him back.
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Did we do that?
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Ladies and gentlemen, Fred Rogers.
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He has some thoughts about Alex Jones.
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I'll tell you that.
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I believe it.
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I believe it.
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He's going to have to wait though because we have an announcement, Jordan.
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This is so big.
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This is so big.
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Oh, yes.
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This is big.
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For the longest time, we've been flirting around with the idea of being able to take
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phone calls and having a dedicated phone line, and now we do.
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This is going to be a disaster.
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So, here's, at least for now, how it can work since we're not doing a lot of episodes live,
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or any episodes live currently, which we may get back to on a trial basis, maybe.
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But we have a phone line now, and people can call in and leave messages, and we can play
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them on the show.
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What?
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So, for right now, we have a situation where if you call this number at any time, you can
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leave a message, and we might screen them before we play them.
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We also might not.
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There's a low probability.
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So, I spent a long time, Jordan, going through phone numbers, trying to find acronyms.
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Yes, you were very excited when you found what you settled upon.
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It's not perfect for our show, but I will say that the runner-up, as I texted you, was
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a phone number that spelled out TUGFAIL.
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Yeah.
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No, TUGFLUB.
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TUGFLUB, was it?
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I found both of those.
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I was like, that's a little too risqué for our show.
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Two of my favorite Robin Williams movies.
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FLUBBER and FLIPPER?
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TUGGER and FLUB.
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All right.
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So, Jordan, I haven't even told you this.
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Would you like to know what our new phone number is?
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I suppose I would.
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It is American Dialing Code 1.
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Area code.
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No, no.
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Just end with American Dialing Code.
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1-5-3-0 NEON NIPS.
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Yep.
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5-3-0 NEON NIPS, ladies and gentlemen.
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Hit us up and leave a message.
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If you can leave us a message with a better name for that.
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No, NEON NIPS is real strong.
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That's what they used to call me in high school.
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What are the numbers?
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I don't remember.
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It's on any phone.
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Who has a rotary phone?
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Those even have the letters.
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I have no idea what the phone number is.
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You know people give the thing to remember and then the actual numbers, too.
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It's like a reinforcement technique.
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We don't need to reinforce shit.
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NEON NIPS is so strong.
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Tell me.
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How do you call Forfeld Co.?
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Wait.
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For windows, siding, and doors?
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I don't know what the numbers are.
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I will never be able to call them.
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Do you have a phone, bro?
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I'm not going to look at my phone.
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That's the second step.
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That's the second page of Google search results.
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If I were to tell everyone the numbers right now, they wouldn't remember them,
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but they're going to remember NEON NIPS.
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No, but they would have the tape to reference when they wanted to call.
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They also have a fucking phone that has letters on it.
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It's a lot of sixes.
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I'll tell you that much right now.
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That's all I remember.
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Probably should have written it down for your show.
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I'll give you that.
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One. American dialing code one.
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Area code 530.
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530.
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That's a California number.
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Then a bunch of sixes, some of which spell NEON NIPS.
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NEON NIPS.
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N-I-P-S.
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All right.
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Nipples.
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Yeah, we got it, Dan.
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Thrilled.
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Thrilled with this.
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Wait.
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Wait.
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It's NEON NIPS?
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N-E-O-N-N-I-P-S.
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The S is irrelevant.
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If you dial the number and you add an extra number, it doesn't matter.
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You could throw nipples on, neon nipples, and it would be the same thing.
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The phone stops recognizing it once you've dialed seven numbers.
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See, that's too many numbers, though.
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Yeah, it doesn't matter, though.
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That's how phones work.
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So our number is NEON NIPS?
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Yeah.
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But NIPS.
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Well, no.
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You don't know.
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Oh, that's cheating.
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Cheating.
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Cheating.
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I wasn't going to go with...
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You quitter!
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I wasn't going to go with tug flub.
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I...
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We need to have a vote on this.
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I spent three fucking hours just looking at phone numbers.
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And you know what's really hard?
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And you didn't consult our board of directors, which consists of you, and then I have a qualifying
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vote that is not a matter in the end.
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You know one of the real difficulties, and I don't want to complain about anything.
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What's that?
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But when you're trying to make a word out of numbers in this way, it's really difficult
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because...
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Standard boggle rules apply.
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Well, zeros and ones don't have letters attached to them, so any phone number that has a zero
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or a one in it is going to automatically chop up the word.
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Oh, shit.
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You're right.
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So it became this really difficult thing of trying to find cities in America that don't
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have the first three letters, including a one or a zero.
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So I ended up in Chico, California.
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Chico, California is where we're from.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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We're going to have to...
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Sky has a really inefficient system for letting you buy a phone number.
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I'll tell you that right now.
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We're going to have to get an LLC in order to make sure that we don't get sued by wherever
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it is.
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What's the name of it again?
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Chico.
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Chico, California.
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Well, Chico, welcome your two newest citizens.
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I was hoping to find something from a city that actually had some meaning to me, like
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maybe somewhere in Missouri, or like my dad's from Fresno and Bakersfield, California.
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Maybe I could find one of those numbers.
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Couldn't find any.
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Neon nips.
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Anyway.
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Jordan, are you ready for today's episode?
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Sure.
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Okay.
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So we're going to get down...
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And if you're not ready for today's episode, call American Dialing Code 1-530-
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Neon nips.
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Neon nips.
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So like I said, we're back in the 2009 business, February 19th to 20th.
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And here is an out of context drop from today's episode.
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Crikey, mate.
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That's fantastic.
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Have yourself a brew.
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All right.
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Don't mind if I do.
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I'm not going to lie.
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That was a lot better than I would have accepted.
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That was a terrible accent.
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Right.
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Terrible accent.
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But from Alex, that is like...
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Compared to like Bernie.
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Grading on a curve.
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Yeah.
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That was not bad.
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Yeah.
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But he's also sitting with a couple of guys from Australia while he's doing it.
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So it's a little insulting.
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Oh, so it's offensive.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Well, good.
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Then we're still on brand.
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Crikey.
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Yeah.
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So here we go.
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We're starting off in the 19th.
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And Alex has seen a viral video that he wants to discuss.
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It's of Dick Van Dyke doing a Cockney accent, which inspired him to be worse.
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Oh, no, no, no.
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It's a guy who has a conspiracy, and this has triggered Alex a little bit.
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Just a novelty here.
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There was a viral video on the web a few days ago of someone opening up one of the digital
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TV converters put out by Magnavox and saying that there was a hidden camera and microphone
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in it.
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Well, we went out and bought the very same model and opened it up, and it does not have
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a microphone or camera in it.
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Now we can say that maybe this guy who put this video out, maybe he did have a camera
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and microphone in his Magnavox digital TV converter.
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But we have some engineers here, degreed engineers, and they looked at what was supposed to be
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the camera and microphone and said it looked like it had been stuck on there and was not
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connected to any real circuitry, because all the circuitry was the same.
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We know what the circuitry does, and the camera was not connected to the right type of circuitry.
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So it appears to be a hoax, when we're live on prisonplanet.tv near the end of the show,
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I'm going to show you the TV converter box that we opened up and dug into and document
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that that's a hoax, because not only do we try to expose the mainstream media when they
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spin or live or have an agenda, it's just as important that we try to keep the alternative
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media to a high standard as well.
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I mean, you don't, but I like the sentiment.
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But you know what's going on here.
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Oh yeah, they got their dicks hard thinking, oh shit, we've got a whole new thing to talk
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about forever, and even then they even had to say, we can't do this.
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Now that is a good instinct on your part, but it's slightly incorrect.
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One of Alex's big claims to fame is from way early in his career, he on air opened up a
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cable box and showed that there was a microphone inside, or something along those lines.
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He talks about it a lot.
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Like it being one of these things, it was one of my first rebellious acts and they told
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me they were going to arrest me if I did it.
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And of course it's from way too far back that there's any video of it for me to go find
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and look at, but it's something that's really important to Alex's self-mythology.
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So the idea that this guy is putting out a viral video that's very similar to one of
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Alex's greatest hits is something that he's got to police.
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He's got to police that space a little bit, and he's taking the opportunity to be like,
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look, we call out the mainstream media, but we also call out weirdos on YouTube.
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Yeah, yeah.
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His fake self-righteous bullshit is not fun.
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I do enjoy how low the stakes are now though.
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God, the stakes are so low.
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Some random YouTuber and he's like, I'm taking this guy down.
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Love it.
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Beautiful.
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Not entirely different than it was even just a few years ago from present day.
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Like in 2015, he was, I believe it was 2015, when he was like complaining about that guy
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with a like blog talk radio show with probably like 20 listeners.
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So good.
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So yeah, until he got involved, like mixed up with Trump, like really he would have engaged
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with us probably before all this.
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I love his show when he's not trying to defend the fucking president.
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Like even if Trump was just a guy and he was defending him, that'd be great.
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It's the fact that the stakes are too high.
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But it's fake stakes.
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It's like Trump's stakes.
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Yeah.
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All right guys, we're going to have to shut this whole podcast down.
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All right.
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Thank you all.
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Area code 1530.
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Neon nips.
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Yeah.
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I mean, the stakes are an illusion.
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They're not real.
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Yeah.
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But it does feel like the stakes feel higher for him, but we know it's all a charade.
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The stakes are higher for us emotionally.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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I don't mean that.
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I mean, as far as somebody who's listening to it, the stakes are much higher in that
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I can listen to him talk about this shit or you know, whatever, whatever it is that he's
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talking about in 2009 and I'm so emotionally detached from it because it's random and nonsense.
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Whereas now if he's talking about anything, if he's lying about anything the president's
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doing, it still reminds me that the president is not going to reunite those fucking kids
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with their families, that people have already been deported before being reunited with their
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kids.
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Right.
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Like you're defending a true legitimate monster who will go down in history as being the dumbest
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person and also the first person since 1974 to be burnt alive by the entirety of America
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at the same time.
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Bold prediction.
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340 million people all standing around in a big circle.
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He's I'm going to, how tall do you think it would have to be to get everybody to be able
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to see it?
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Like the tower that I'm talking about the wicker man that we're going to burn him.
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It in order to make sure that the rains come, I mean, I don't know the like Sears tower
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is really big and you can't even see that from like more than three miles away or so.
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It's going to have to be real tall.
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It's super big.
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It's going to have to be real tall.
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Yeah, I think it's, it's going to have to be prohibitively tall.
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Um, well, and if, and as we know, if we build it too tall, God will of course feel like,
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Oh shit, they're coming after me.
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Close.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Again, his feet will hit.
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Yeah.
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So dude, I think the issue that where you're trying to, you're, you're articulating is
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that like back then in 2009, a lot of his stuff, his rhetoric is very similar in terms
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of there's still a lot of bigotry and shit like that, but it's kind of impotent deceit
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that he's throwing out into the world.
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Whereas now everything he does is in service of like reinforcing and defending a cruel,
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cruel system.
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Yeah.
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And even if he isn't really a part of that system and he's just trying to attach himself
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for personal gain, it's still, it's a reminder that that system is there.
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Yeah.
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Um, yeah, that's, I think that's exactly how I feel about it.
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Yeah.
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Well, uh, let's get rid of that and then go back to 2009.
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I've gotten rid of that feelings.
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I'm moving on.
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Right.
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I'm definitely not bringing some shit into this.
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That's why I like to start the weeks with the 2009 stuff so we can start on sort of
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a rosy, uh, things get worse as the week goes along.
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Like Wednesday we find out like a real weirdo and then, uh, Friday if we jump back to the
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present day, we all end the week bummed out bummed out.
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Um, so here Alex talks a little bit about, uh, what happened during the, uh, the election
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there in 2008, uh, and, uh, some things, uh, that I didn't, I didn't know about this and
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I don't think it's true, but man, if it's true, bad times, I remember hearing rumors
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that in Connecticut and in Missouri, you were criticizing Obama.
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The police would threaten to arrest you or would arrest you.
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Then it started coming out in mainstream news and police went on TV and said, if you talk
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bad about Obama, we're going to arrest you.
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Nope.
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I said, that sounds like Nazi Germany.
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And uh, if anybody had any questions about whether Obama was a carefully packaged corporate
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fraud, now we know the, the evidence is in like it's been a month at this point.
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I have to stress that the inauguration was like literally a month before this.
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So you know, you know, there's a difference between criticizing the president and then
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burning an effigy of him.
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You know, one of those is more of an arrestable offense and the other one is, is, is pretty
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cool.
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Generally speaking, if I recall the time period immediately following Obama being elected,
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it was more the ladder that people were doing as opposed to the, oh, like pinching puppets
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of him and setting him on fire.
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They were usually doing that, but I think that's actually even a little bit later than
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where we are here in February because a lot of that was part and parcel of the tea party
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protests that broke out.
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I know that that image is in people's hearts already a month into his presidency, but perhaps
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that wasn't being publicly done as much at this point.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't have time stamped pictures.
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I do have pictures of that, those protests, but I don't, I don't know the dates on them.
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We all keep them on our mantles.
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So at this point, Alex is so excited about the Obama deception coming out in March.
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Yeah.
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I think it's coming out March 15th.
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He's announced.
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Yeah.
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He's so excited about it that what he does is he decides to read his voiceover script
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on air.
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He spends an entire, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no.
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We're not going to listen to any of it.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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But he spends an entire commercial to commercial break, goes to commercial, comes back, does
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another half segment, just reading from this script.
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And one of the things that really struck stuck out to me was like, this is the same topic
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as end game.
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Like it's all the same shit.
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He's just repeating the same shit.
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He's just plugged Obama in there.
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Yeah, exactly.
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He's like, oh wait, end game.
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But Obama is a tool of the things that I talked about in end game.
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I'm going to just repeat my material.
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It's like he didn't think that he'd burned that material in end game.
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He's a comic who's trying to do late night again with the same sex.
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It's like, that is dirty pool, man.
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You got to get new shit.
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We already saw this stuff on TV.
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Oh yeah.
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You're not going to get any bookings.
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Put it on TV.
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It's burned.
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So that we're going to cut that out because who needs to listen to that?
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How's the performance though?
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Like does he do a good voiceover job?
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He's definitely hamming it up.
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Has he, has he improved since I haven't watched any of his documentaries since the end game.
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Yeah.
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And I pray to God we never will again.
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We will.
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I've actually been hankering.
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God damn you.
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We may do that.
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God damn you.
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Um, it's okay.
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It's on par with a end game probably, but at one point he does say, I wish I did it.
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I wish I would have taken this clip.
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He does say, uh, there's a whole, the whole lot of, a whole lot of voiceover in this one.
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It's a classic Alex Jones documentary.
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Yes.
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So at this point in time he's released what, two?
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No, he's released a fuck ton.
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He's released a ton of documentaries?
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Yeah.
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Obama Deception I think is his maybe second to last one.
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He's released like 20 documentaries.
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He's released 20 documentaries?
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Yeah, I mean, if you count Loose Change, which he produced, he didn't direct or write that
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one.
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But yeah, he's a, there's like martial law documentaries.
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That was his Robert Evans phase whenever he's just putting, you know, he's just producing
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great movies.
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Chinatown, Rosemary's Baby, Kid Stays in the Picture.
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Come on.
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Yeah.
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All of those great movies directed by Jason Burmas, Jason Burmese's Rosemary's Baby.
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Yeah, he would do another one of those, but the people who are satanic would be very different.
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So yeah, he's done a fucking load of documentaries and most of them are like, we should never
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cover them because they were made on like shoulder cameras.
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Like they're very DIY.
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Like shoulder cameras from like the 90s.
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Yeah.
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Like stuff that I was using for my broadcast production class in high school.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And like, I'm not saying that to shit on him.
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I respect the hell out of that hustle because I, when I was in high school, I did the school
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TV news program and like I had to...
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Because you were the coolest.
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So cool.
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I, in doing it, we had those cameras you'd put on your shoulder.
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They were super heavy.
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You had to white balance them and everything and then they recorded on VHS tapes and in
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order to edit, you had to go from VHS tape to tape.
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Like you had to, the editing was a disaster.
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It was so time consuming compared to like digital editing stuff and the fact that Alex
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Jones really put in the time to do all that, I tip my cap to it.
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The content is terrible.
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You know, that's why professional operations, that's why professional operations used beta
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long past the beta wars had ended because beta had time stamps on it.
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So it would make editing a lot easier for you.
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Even back then you knew beta was cuck.
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Even back then, I didn't give a shit.
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So I do want to do another documentary, certainly not soon, because it takes way too much work.
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Let's just do one about the beta VHS wars.
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Oh, I'd do that.
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Okay.
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Any day.
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So Jordan, what city do we live in?
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Chico.
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Now we do.
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Now we do.
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We live in Chicago, Illinois.
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And at this point in the show, Alex gets a call from a guy named Steve from Chicago and
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I'll tell you, Steve from Chicago is from Chicago, but he's one of the bad people.
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Is he the most from Chicago you can be?
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He sounds a bit like he's from Chicago.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Here we go.
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But also, he also spiritually sounds like one of those assholes that you meet who's
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from Chicago.
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Oh, that we know.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Let's go ahead and talk to Steve in Chicago.
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Welcome, Steve.
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You're on the air.
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Hello?
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Yes, sir.
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I hear a lot of music.
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Okay.
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I'd like to say about that cartoon that it's just Lenten cartoon satire about the chimpanzee.
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This is like an editorial cartoon that had come out where Al Sharpton is a chimpanzee.
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So keep that in mind.
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He's going to be pro Al Sharpton as a chimpanzee.
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You might just be using that as a jump off.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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What I'm talking about is that there's an article in the Washington Times here.
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There's an article.
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It's talking about holders says U.S. cowardly on race.
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Back about six months ago or whenever it was, I kind of figured that this was going to be
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a black power grab, and I said it was.
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I could excerpt some of the comments here, criticism from conservatives, Tom Fenton,
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conservative judicial watch.
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He says, quoting, I think we're going to revert back to the old days of the federal
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government pushing quotas and race conscious policy, public policy.
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Yeah, that'd be terrible.
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Steve, I hear you and I appreciate your call.
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I'm going to say this about it.
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You know, we don't let the news govern what we talk about here.
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He just rambles from there.
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But I do admire, I think Steve, I hear you and you're going to drop the N word soon.
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So I'm going to let that one go close.
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We're real close to a Chicago N. I was down at the bar the other day and this, whoa, Steve,
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we're going to have to let you go.
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We're going to have to let you go by Steve there.
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There is a real branch of Chicago racism that is very rich in character and you can feel
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it coming from him.
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Oh yeah.
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I don't know how to describe it.
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But when I was listening to this, I was like, oh boy, I've smelled that before.
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That took me to so many different dive bars.
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Like I heard that voice and I was like, oh my God, I'm having flashbacks to this dive
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bar and this dive bar accidentally did stand up and then accidentally stayed after.
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The show.
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Oh yeah.
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Should have gone to bed.
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You're talking to Steve from Chicago.
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Hey, you're a, you're, you're a real funny guy from Chicago.
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You're a real funny guy.
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Uh, let me ask you, let me, have you heard this joke?
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No.
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Steve's from like a, some sort of weird suburb by the way.
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I don't think he's from Chicago.
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I'm guessing.
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He sounds Chicago though.
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He does.
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Yeah.
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But that voice extends to some of the, uh, some of the, some of the suburbs.
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All right.
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So, um, my, my issue here is like, I think Alex let him talk too long.
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I think once he said, this is a black power grab, Alex should have been more like, oh
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right.
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Cause you can tell his response has nothing to do with what the guy's bringing up.
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His response is like, I got to spin this.
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Uh, what am I going to say?
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We don't listen to the news on my news program.
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But I do respect that he did cut him off before it got too harsh because it was gonna, that
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was solid.
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Yeah.
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It was gonna go real bad.
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You and I both heard after the first sentence that the N word was coming.
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It was around the corner hard and it was going to be the Chicago err, which is even worse
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than the regular err.
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It's a deep dish slur.
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Not good.
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So, um, Alex spins his wheels for a bit and talks about, uh, nothing primarily.
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And then he gets back to the topic of race and racism.
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And this gets troubling.
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I assume he got it right.
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Um, modern multiculturalism constantly points out our so-called differences over pigment
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on our skin in the name of fighting, uh, discrimination and things.
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When I live in the United States, I'm young, I'm only 35, I grew up, I didn't see a lot
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of racial strife.
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I didn't hear a lot of racial strife.
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It's the media that hides shit and then makes people look at each other different and makes
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people think about it.
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And we have a lot of problems in this country and we certainly don't need Eric Holder calling
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Americans all cowards on race.
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I would say that most of what Alex talks about, about his childhood is either how many people
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he had sex with or how he's never been a, and he's never seen whites do racism.
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Well, there's alternating, I've never seen whites do racism.
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And then, uh, I was such a victim of racism.
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Oh yeah, such a victim.
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And then he also just says a bunch of racist stuff.
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So I don't, I don't know how to parse that out exactly, but that is so like, if there
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is a wrong place to take this, that's probably it.
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Like I, like I said earlier, I admire him shutting down Steve from Chicago, but then
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you don't have to do this.
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Then he got introspective about it.
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Right.
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And that was the worst thing.
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He was like, well, I can't let this guy be racist.
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And then he starts thinking about it.
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He's just letting all of his, look, the moment, I'm kind of feeling like being racist.
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You know how racist somebody is whenever they get something so obviously wrong, wrong.
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Like, uh, when he said so-called differences in pigment and it's like, no, there are differences.
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There are differences that their, their, their skin is different because of pigment.
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Right.
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There you go.
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That's a normal thing.
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We're all fine with that.
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You don't have to fake politically correct on that one.
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No, that one you can be fine with.
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We're all cool with that.
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Everybody agrees that there are differences in pigment.
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If you're starting from a let's, let's put this whole so-called pigment difference out
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of the place, you're like, oh, you're super racist.
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It's a little facetious, a little glib for sure.
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It's preemptive.
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It's, it's too preemptive.
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I would, I would definitely agree with that.
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Yeah.
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Um, so I, if that was all that happened and Alec, that was all he did, uh, in response
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to this, uh, conversation brought by Steve from Chicago, I'd be like, all right, whatever.
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But then he says this.
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Uh, you know, there's barrios right here in Austin, Texas with the Latino folks.
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And they will tell you that, that, that they enjoy, they, oh boy, they want to move to
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that area.
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Not all, you know, people want to be around folks that are like themselves, take, take
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Canada on the bordering areas where it's French and English, uh, you will go there and you
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will see it's all, you know, it's white people, uh, who are French and English predominantly.
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But the neighborhoods are along in many cases, lines of French versus English speakers.
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And it's not because they hate each other.
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It's their culture.
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So there's a couple of problems here.
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First, the French do hate the English.
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Uh, yeah.
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But also rightfully so.
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Do you know what the definition of barrio is that Alex is just throwing around all
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flippantly?
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Uh, legitimately I, oh, I might've thought he said Sbarro's.
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These Mexican people want to move into the Sbarro's.
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Sbarro's over here.
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Why not?
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They're sandwiches and pizza.
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Barrio is a Spanish speaking quarter of a town or city, especially one with high poverty
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levels.
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Ah, it's essentially, so he said slum, right?
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Yeah.
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Or a ghetto.
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It's the same thing.
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It's like, you know, there's a lot of these, uh, these Hispanic folks and they want to
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move into the ghetto because there's people like them there, right?
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That's where they want to move.
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That's where they want to move.
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It's not a policy of red lining that has existed since, I mean, who could ever have imagined
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they want to move there, Dan?
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Alex, you're looking at the wrong variable.
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No, they want to move there.
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It's it's their, it's their choice, their choice.
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Please back up a tiny bit and also think about what exactly you're comparing this to.
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Cause there aren't barrios for the French or the English speakers in like Quebec.
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Uh, well, well, well, I mean, you say that and you're right.
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Yeah, there aren't like, so we can move on.
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There aren't poor areas of town that are almost exclusively one ethnicity living there in
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a, in Quebec.
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Oh, you know, the, the, the, the French barrios and the, well man, that's stupid.
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That's dumb.
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Yeah.
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Where are you going?
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What do you got?
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What do you got?
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That's a play.
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Um, the baguettes.
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Uh, take that baguette and go to your barrio and shut up.
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You know, uh, what do you got?
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No, you're just, you're just, you're just growling now.
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No, no, no, no.
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Let that go.
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I put ham on my baguette, the only meat I could come up with, wait, there you go.
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Chicken.
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There you go.
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All right.
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I know a little bit of French, very emphasis on little, although that did, you are hearing
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this up on Thursday, not Thursday.
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On Friday.
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Yeah, I did.
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I'm not going to get over Joan bonding it up.
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It's pretty good.
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Solid.
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Might have enough.
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Sure.
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That's it.
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That's a new, yeah.
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That's our new thing.
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Uh, if only we had a endless shirt possibilities.
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Um, but on Friday I was like, uh, if only we had shirt possibility, single shirt, um,
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the, I might have to move at the end of this month.
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Yeah.
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Where am I?
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My living situation is a little bit up in the air right now and it's causing me a great
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deal of stress to the point of, on Friday I was legitimately looking at apartments in
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France.
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Yeah.
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I was like legitimately on websites doing conversions of euros to American.
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I believe the text I received was that the rent in Stockholm is prohibitively high.
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Yep.
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That's another, I looked at a number of countries and I was blown away at how expensive it is
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to live in Sweden.
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You get healthcare.
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Yeah.
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That's probably a part of it.
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You'd have to get a gig though.
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You'd have to get a job.
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I got a job.
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That's staying alive.
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Young Jesus.
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What up?
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All right.
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All right.
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Too silly.
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Let's get back on track.
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Let's get back on track.
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What do we do?
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Well, it's just sort of like trying to dance around, not talking about Alex being more
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racist.
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Massive racist.
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But he does.
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He does continue his thoughts and it leads to this.
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And we do see people working together and living together and getting along and you
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know, going out to restaurants together.
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But we don't, you know, it says we need to talk about race at work.
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We need to, you know, I find that that actually causes problems.
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Play them off.
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How about we all just be friends?
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Turn it up.
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How about we not talk about what color people are all day.
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Because see, the establishment wants to inject that into the debate, inject that into the
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debate, inject it into the debate so they can then get all this white guilt going and
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then attach different government policies and programs onto that so we can all be sharecroppers
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on the plantation.
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OK.
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So just a huge distraction and diversion.
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I would say you shouldn't talk about race at work.
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For sure.
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You individually.
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That will cause problems.
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Yeah.
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I think for people who are emotionally equipped to deal with it, who don't have a massive
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chip on their shoulder and think that anybody who's talking about race relations and systematic
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racism and power imbalances are just trying to create white guilt, I think if that's in
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your world view, you probably aren't ready for it.
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But everyone else I think could handle it.
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And I think that conversations about race are not like, hey, look at you, look at that
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skin on you.
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Yeah.
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That's not what the conversation is.
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Look at your so-called pigments.
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It's not about like some sort of weird like, aren't we different?
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It's about like, hey, you know, it'd be interesting to understand how you see the world on an
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empathic level, like understanding the things that go on in people's lives that you don't
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have access to because it's not part of your experience.
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Yeah.
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Like I was just reading a story.
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It happens all the time and it just keeps on repeating over and over and over again.
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I saw a story just on like end of last week on Democracy Now about a girl who was eating
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lunch at her college and someone called the police because they said that she didn't look
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like she belonged.
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Yeah.
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It was just a black student.
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Yep.
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And she posted about it as like the only thing I was doing was being black.
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Being black while eating.
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Well, but like I know that these stories keep happening and it's almost redundant to bring
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them up.
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But there are those things that are outside of your experience.
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And if you don't talk to people about racial issues or you shy away and think everything
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is about white guilt, you'll never be able to understand them.
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You'll always have that sort of stupid idea.
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And then you end up like Alex Jones.
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Well, just on Saturday, my girlfriend and I, my parents came up to visit and we went
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out to eat lunch with them and afterwards we had to continue talking because, you know,
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families and stuff.
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That's polite.
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And my girlfriend just told my parents because she grew up in South Africa during apartheid.
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Right.
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And so my parents, the story where this black person who worked on their ranch, because
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that was just how everybody did stuff at the time, was bitten by a snake and her dad runs
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out and calls 911 and the ambulance that shows up says, oh, I'm sorry, we don't handle black
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patients.
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You're going to have to take them to a black hospital.
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And my parents just heard that and were like, what?
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Racism?
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I never even like they, I saw their faces and it was legitimately, they never thought
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it was real because they'd never heard of a person who experienced it telling them before.
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There's less of an awareness of those things because you've never sought them out or you've
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always been defensive whenever you've heard them.
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Exactly.
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And it's a troubling, sad state of affairs and it doesn't apply just to race, it applies
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to sexuality, gender, nationality, all sorts of immigrant status, all those sorts of things.
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They made me feel like genuinely, if I just brought all of my friends from varying backgrounds
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in to talk to my parents and tell them, tell them one story, they'd like, you know, in
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a week they'd be like, oh shit, I think there might be something to this whole liberalism
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thing.
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We've made a huge mistake.
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Whoa.
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We are years behind on this thing.
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Wait a second.
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So you're telling me that gay conversion therapy not only didn't help, it made you want to
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kill yourself?
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Oh shit.
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I thought it was super chill.
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I thought it was great because God, remember when God was there?
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Oh damn.
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Oh God wasn't that the gay conversion therapy, it was just violence.
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Oh no.
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Oh, and sexual abuse at, oh boy, that's not good.
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Yeah.
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So I mean, I guess to put a button on all that, cause we're out of the racist chunk
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for now, although there's another one coming up, don't get me wrong.
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There's just a lack of willingness to engage.
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That's all I hear from this.
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Yeah.
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All of these narratives are just someone who just is like, this is my opinion, I'm going
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to take it as an affront on myself when anyone tells me anything that is outside of whatever
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I believe.
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And also I'm super not mad that the president is black.
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I just don't like him for other reasons.
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Totally not mad that he's black.
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He goes on-
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Zero madness about him having a so-called different pigment.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And there's this really long thing about the problems that he has with Obama, and what
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he spends the most time on is the idea that Obama said that he wasn't going to be having
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a bunch of lobbyists in his administration, and then there were lobbyists that popped
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up.
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And I would say-
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We agree.
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Fair play.
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Yeah, I'm on board.
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Fuck that guy.
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Right.
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But if that's what you spend the entirety, almost the entire time he's complaining about
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specifics about Obama, there is like, he said he was going to bring the troops home day
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one, and maybe he aspired to, but then when he got in, he realized he couldn't.
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That would be rebuttal to that, but also I agree, it sucks that he wasn't able to follow
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through with that.
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Right.
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But in terms of the lobbyists, that's what's-
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Closing Guantanamo, of course.
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But he might have also realized the logistical nightmares of that.
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Agreed.
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Like the quagmire of legal issues that would come with just letting people out, which I
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think he still should have done, take the hit, bite the bullet, and make things as right
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as you can.
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I mean, that's the thing, we can re-litigate Obama's presidency for forever.
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No, totally.
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And we can imagine what we would do in that situation, but we don't possibly understand
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exactly the game as being played.
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Could never, yeah.
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But in terms of the, what was I saying, the people, I keep trying to, they keep coming
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up with sponsors.
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Oh, dude.
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I know.
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Sponsors?
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The-
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Coca-Cola.
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The lobbyists.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Sponsors?
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So with the lobbyists, that's one of his chief complaints about Obama, he should have the
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same complaint about Trump.
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Oh, you think?
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So it just rings false to me.
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I don't think that everything is just because it's a black president, but I can't get away
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from that has to be a part of it.
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The way he interacts with race, the way he feels about being made to feel guilty about
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white stuff, and the fact that his complaints about Obama are things that he should complain
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about Trump for, and we'll get to a fucking huge one in a little bit, but it just doesn't
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track for me.
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There has to be a bigger reason, and it's not that Trump is against the globalists.
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It doesn't track for any reasonable human being.
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No.
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But-
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There's zero way to look at Trump as president and not think, oh, this is because a black
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guy was president, and the white had to fucking rise up or whatever it is, fucking, we're
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aliens.
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So speaking of aliens-
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Get rid of us.
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Yes.
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Speaking of aliens-
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Nice transition.
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The thinker, Alan Watts, often talks about aliens.
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Not Rodan.
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The alien Rodan from Godzilla?
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The alien Rodan?
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Yeah.
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The space monster Rodan.
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Also the rapper from the Monster Island Czars, second rap reference, what's the third one
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going to be?
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The sculptor, but fine.
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Okay.
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Oh, I didn't realize that the-
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What do you mean you didn't realize that?
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I didn't realize that the Godzilla monster had artistic talent.
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Was he an alien?
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Or was it an alien?
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I don't know.
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I think it was a-
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Which one was Rodan?
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Rodan wasn't the dragon.
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No, that was King Ghidorah.
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Yeah, that was definitely King Ghidorah.
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That was the three headed space monster King Ghidorah.
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No, King Ghidorah came from a volcano.
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It wasn't from space, it was from deep within.
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Oh, he's from space.
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He's from another planet.
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The monster is zero on- have you not seen Destroy All Monsters?
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How dare you?
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Trying to think Mothra was a moth.
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Mothra was a moth.
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Mothra was actually the-
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Mothra was awesome.
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Mothra was the protector of Earth.
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Mothra was the protector of Earth.
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That was a big part of Mothra's backstory, is that it had light powers and shit.
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Yeah, it was a big deal.
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I don't want to get into this.
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I have a lot of thoughts about the theme from Mothra.
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About the cast of characters in the Godzilla universe?
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Well, that too.
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But also that the theme of Mothra was specifically sampled by Pharaoh Monch.
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We're not doing this again.
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We're not doing this again.
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We're not doing this again.
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We've done this before.
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We're not doing this again.
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I know.
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I know.
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That's why I tried to stop myself.
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All right.
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I just wanted- okay.
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Anyway, Alan Watts- that's where that started.
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Yes, there we go.
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Is not on this episode.
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God, I want Alan Watts on Info Wars so bad.
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Every time Alan Watt is on, I get a little bit like, man, what would that combo be like
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with Alan Watts and Alex Jones?
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The Art of Zen.
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But Alan Watt is on.
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And I will say that I think I've probably made this point before, but I think that Alex
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got a lot of his early narratives from Alan Watts.
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I think that he is responsible for a great deal of the fake source information that Alex
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uses in Endgame, because their interview is just rehashing Endgame shit.
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And I'm pretty sure the last time we talked about him, we had the exact same conversation.
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The lights just went out a little bit.
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Everything should be fine.
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I mean, my recorder is on a battery and everything.
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Okay.
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So I don't think that-
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All right.
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That was odd.
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It did that earlier today, too.
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If I were Alex Jones, I'd be like, hey, it's the globalists coming to get us trying to
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turn off the lights.
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I wish I was exploitative.
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Yeah, no, I think it was just like a power.
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This house is also kind of shit.
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Yeah.
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You know, it's just one of those things.
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Maybe it's a good thing to-
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That's why I want to go to France.
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It's a good thing to move to France.
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We've got a phone number now.
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I can just call in and we can do the show.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Yeah.
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Or I can move to- we could both move to Chico, California.
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I think neon nips also translates in French, neon nips.
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So Alan Watt also, like the thing that really stuck out to me, and because we covered it
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so much in the Endgame coverage, which if you want to go listen to that, you can.
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It's in the archives.
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Yeah.
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We don't need to- I think we learned our lesson on the last episode of like doing too much
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and we covered this already.
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But it's interesting because Alan Watt has a very specific reading on the Club of Rome.
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And because I've read their shit, I know that he's wrong.
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But I also know that it's exactly what Alex puts out.
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So I have a working theory that Alan Watt is the one who has led him astray down that
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path.
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Okay.
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So he's Alex's pez.
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Alex is a watt dispenser.
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Yeah, a little bit.
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Yeah.
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Because Alan Watt is like in the same vein as Alex Jones, absolutely.
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But he's much less famous.
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So there is this weird thing where he's the less famous one, but he's also clearly the
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one who's like a pipeline for narratives.
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It's kind of like if you're like a famous comic and you have a friend who's funnier
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than you, but he never made it, who's like, you're like, oh God, you're-
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Never heard of that situation happening.
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I think it's been in a lot of movies about standup.
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So I don't want to talk about the stuff that we've already covered with Alan Watt, but
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I wanted to let him be represented on this episode.
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And so I have one clip of Alan Watt, which we have not heard before.
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And I think that this is ludicrous.
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It's also something that was discussed over a hundred years ago at world meetings.
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And that was-
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That's right.
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That's what this guy sounds like.
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That's what this guy sounds like.
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That identified those who could have leadership qualities down the road and go against their
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agenda and get the public to follow them.
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That's also part of this big screening process.
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They've done the same thing with the drugging of children, mainly young males in school
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with different drugs to give them, Ritalin, et cetera.
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This is to-
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These guys are generally very inquisitive.
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They ask lots of questions.
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They're diagnosed as being hyper because they ask questions or they're not happy with the
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answers they get and they generally have leadership abilities.
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So the agenda has never ever faltered from how it was set down a hundred years ago.
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They're right on track with this.
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So yeah.
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I mean, you nailed it.
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All right.
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I mean, that was kind of where I wanted to weave the end of the clip is like, why are
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you so focused on men?
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Well, maybe it's because that is what you think that leadership is.
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That leadership only exists within the male of the species.
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And it's just, it's the same thing.
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When Alex talks about, he certainly talks about white fears more than a male fears,
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but he talks about male fears quite a bit.
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Male fears is number two.
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White number one, male number two.
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Christian is really strong in there too.
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Christian is real strong in there.
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But that's also more current than in 2009.
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He's absolutely still a weirdo Christian in 2009, but he is not as like, he doesn't hate
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Islam in 2009.
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He does not trust them, but he doesn't hate them.
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He doesn't hate them in the same way.
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Like it's really weird.
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Like I, when we started this 2009 shit, I had made, like in my head I was going to make
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a point of like every episode being like, Alex still does not think Muslims are demons.
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Also has not brought up George Soros once.
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Like I was, I wanted to keep a running tally of it, but I haven't.
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Like somebody, like somebody in a prison cell putting down the, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Exactly.
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But suffice it to say he's still not brought up Soros at all.
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But he does talk about other globalists.
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And of course at this point, who he thinks the chief head of the globalists are, is Rockefeller,
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David Rockefeller.
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So he says this.
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Well, take David Rockefeller, what he said before the Bilderberg group, and then a similar
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statement before the trilateral commission in 91.
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He laid out the elite's ultimate goal, and he said, quote, the super national sovereignty
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of an international, again, quoting the super national sovereignty of an intellectual elite
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and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto determination practice in
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the last century.
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Yeah.
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That's just standard new world order speak 101.
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And of course, you know, the, the other famous quote from, from David Rockefeller, who's
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like the poster child of the bad guys, as far as we're concerned, what do you think
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about that?
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That first, I mean, especially what do you think of that last word?
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Uh, I mean, generally it's called an ombudsman.
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Well, he's trying to combine, but also I wouldn't call David Rockefeller an ombudsman because
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the definition of an official appointed to investigate individual, do you have the definition
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of against you?
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Yeah.
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Administration, especially that of public officials.
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Yeah.
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I don't think he's an ombudsman at all.
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Also it's a, just to be even more petty supranational, not super national.
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Oh, even to be further petty, that's not a real quote.
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This is fun.
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That's a quote that has like really shaky attribution.
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No one can really pin down.
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It just started appearing, um, like a year or two after, uh, the 1991 Bilderberg conference
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and the people who were pushing it the hardest and the most from people who have gone in
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and tried to figure out where did this quote originate?
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Cause it's not recorded anywhere.
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It's not, uh, uh, in any like, like solid reporting.
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Right.
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And it was pushed very strongly by the national front and a, uh, a publication run by the
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national front, which is the French political party that was run by Marine Le Pen's dad.
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It was a Nazi.
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No, no.
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People say Nazi and what they mean is Vichyssoise.
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That's a soup.
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Dude, I don't, I don't know.
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I just want, I just want Alex to fucking pick a side on that.
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On the Nazi issue once and for all, why is, why is it that earlier?
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Why is it?
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It's like, Oh, that sounds like Nazi Germany.
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And then later on he's like, I love Hitler.
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Like just fucking, if you're gonna do the Nazi thing, then just embrace it or walk away
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from it.
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Don't live in this half, half measured bullshit.
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I think that's what all Nazis have to do though, because everyone hates Nazis.
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So they have to publicly decry and complain that who they don't like are, are the actual
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Nazis when you also would love to adopt a lot of the strategies of those people.
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You want to use a lot of the rhetoric and cite them as sources against your globalist
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enemies and what have you.
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I mean, it's a, it's a good game.
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No Nazis always punch Nazis.
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I agree.
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I agree.
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And if you can find, apparently the Portland cops are far for Nazis and very anti anti-Nazis.
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I saw some weird footage of that protest.
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Yeah.
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It's so strange that law enforcement would be on the side of white supremacists.
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Man.
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It's almost like there's a concerted effort within the community.
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I mispronounced weird.
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I meant predictable.
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I know, right?
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Yeah.
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You read you, I read that Guardian report and I was like, Oh, you guys are surprised,
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aren't you?
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Come on, man.
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Come on, guys.
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So Alex has a couple of film crews in the studio at this point, cause apparently the
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IFC is doing a, like an episode of something, uh, about conspiracy theories, the independent
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film channel.
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That's correct.
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Okay.
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I have no confirmation of them actually being there.
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He also has this Australian film crew that he does that impression of, uh, who are doing
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a show called, uh, conspiracy Hunter, uh, which I tried very hard to find online.
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I searched IMDB.
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I searched the name of the show.
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Uh, the only thing that came up, if you search the show, number one answer on the board,
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Bogan Hunter might be very offensive.
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I'm not from Australia, but I think that might be super offensive.
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Well, the reason that it didn't become a show is because it was actually about a guy who
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hunted conspiracy theorists and Alex killed him and ate him so they couldn't make the
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show.
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That's entirely possible.
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Yeah.
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You can't, you can't make a show about a conspiracy Hunter if he gets killed by his first conspiracy
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hunt.
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The Van Helsing, the shooting Van Helsing of conspiracy theories, I would posit a different
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scenario.
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That is that these guys were working on spec and they were trying to make a show that didn't
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have a home on any channel.
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Um, and then they got the footage together and people were like, nah, not buying this.
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Too soon for the history channel guys.
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You should have waited around another five years and then you'd have been fine.
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On the history channel, Alex was on that show, Brad Meltzer's Decoded.
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I think that's Brad, it's something Meltzer.
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There's two guys named Meltzer.
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One is a wrestling journalist and the other is a conspiracy theory dude and I can't remember
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which one is which.
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Both named Brad.
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No, it's just Meltzer.
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Even more confusing.
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It could be both of Brad Meltzer.
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I don't fucking know.
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It could be both Brad Meltzer.
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I only know this because those are two topics that I talk to Marty DeRosa about a lot and
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that's why they've become completely mixed up in my head.
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Much like Gavin and Nigel McGinnis.
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I have no idea which is which.
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Same fucking shit.
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Um, so, I mean, Alex was a consultant on that show and it was on the history channel.
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So the history channel clearly isn't like Alex can't come anywhere near our shit.
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Eh, fair enough.
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He also was on Jesse Ventura's show, but I think that was on true TV.
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Fair enough.
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Also, everyone should go watch that show.
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It's embarrassing.
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Um, but Alex is thrilled that he has this film crew in studio and he accidentally let
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something slip that works into one of my theories that had been, up to this point, kind of vague.
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I'm lying about everything.
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No, that's not vague.
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That's a very strong theory.
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Okay.
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You know, I want to do something in here live on TV because this is crazy.
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We got two different crews in here and a bunch of folks out there.
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Guys, rotate this camera around right here and, you know, show the boom mic and some
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of the stuff and rotate this camera over here around and kind of get the back shot of this
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fellow with the big camera here.
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This is cool.
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Make it look like a blaxploitation, Phil.
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What's going on in here?
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And plus people keep wanting to get a tour of the new studios.
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I'm so busy finishing Obama Deception, literally working 18 hours a day, many days, most days
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about 16 and a half, 17, not coming transit time, that I haven't had time to shoot a video
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of the studio.
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The new studio.
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This is only important to me because it works into my theory of they moved into a new studio
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around the time when oil was through the roof and Alex Jones' dad had a ton of surplus revenue
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coming in.
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Yeah.
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So it works from a timeline standpoint.
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I have nothing concrete backing this up, but man, the circumstantial evidence is starting
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to pile up that Alex was making a lot of money off his dad's oil claim.
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Now, see, it works into my theory that Alex is always actually including transit time
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even when he's saying he's not including transit time.
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Oh, no, that part also is hilarious.
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Totally true.
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Yeah.
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18 hours a day plus not including transit time?
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Come on, Alex.
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Yeah.
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Come on, Alex.
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Weird.
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Yeah.
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The code includes transit time.
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Mm-hmm.
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And even then, you're dicking around half the time being racist.
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Right.
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You're just texting weird white shit on your phone.
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Weird white shit.
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I don't know.
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Now, that's our History Channel show right there.
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Weird white shit.
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Weird white shit.
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First episode.
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We'll just show episodes of Naked and Afraid and be like, what the fuck are white people
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doing?
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First episode.
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Miracle Whip.
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Mayonnaise already exists.
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Why do they do this?
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Tasty zip of Miracle Whip?
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Get the fuck out of here.
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So I...
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Do you sweat macaroni and cheese?
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What is that smell?
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There was a time in my life.
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So there's some stuff that I ended up having to cut out because of just time and we couldn't
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enjoy all these clips.
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Alex suggests that Austin...
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What got cut?
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Austin police chief Art Acevedo is trying to set him up.
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Who again, we... turns out like the only... he's the only police chief I've ever liked
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in my entire life.
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He seems like he's above board.
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Yeah.
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He seems like a cool dude.
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They also talk about how is this Obama thing gonna end a bunch?
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Which is a win.
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I'm becoming president.
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It's been a month.
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But then even further, he brings in this guy named Bob Dassey, who's an Austin local conspiracy
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weirdo.
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He's a libertarian weirdo.
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We have talked about him before and I swear to God, every time you say his name, I hear
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Bob Fosse.
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Right.
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And I cannot not think about it.
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Like there's the... that's the only thing I think about.
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There's also a great improviser who's been on improv for humans whose name is Bob Dassey
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and that threw me for a fucking loop because there's a great episode with just him and
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Andy Daley and Matt Besser and I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, just kind of a second
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bite.
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That would be great.
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That freaked me the fuck out.
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Do you know what else?
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He's actually Brendan Dassey from Making a Murderer.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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It's all the same guy.
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Finding out what the murderer is within what is a murderer.
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So unnecessary plug for another podcast, but if you want something really funny, my buddy
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Kyle Ayers made a podcast called Faking a Murderer where he lured other comics in to
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do a podcast about making a murderer, but he'd never told them that he had not watched
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it.
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So he just bluffed having watched the show with a bunch of comics.
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So he did a mini series of that.
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That's really funny.
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That's pretty funny.
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Called Faking a Murderer.
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That's pretty funny.
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I recommend it to everybody.
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All right.
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Mike Rivero is a guest, and also Mike Rivero.
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They sort of three man it.
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They do a little thing.
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Mike Rivero is calling in from Hawaii.
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He's the guy who has the show called What Really Happened with Mike Rivero.
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He ends up maybe a year from now, maybe a little bit past that, leaving Alex and turning
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on him because he's like this guy, puppet of Israel.
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Mike Rivero hates Israel.
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Yeah, because that makes as much sense as anything else.
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We'll see how this progression works out.
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But anyway, he's on calling in from Hawaii.
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Bob Dassey is in studio.
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They've just had a nice bowl session where they're saying Obama sucks and it's nothing
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substantial, nothing meaningful.
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But then we learn that Bob Dassey runs a hardware store in Austin.
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Wait.
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Wait.
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Right.
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Wait, what?
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So he runs a hardware store.
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He runs a hardware store.
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We're going to learn about that.
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Like, is it a mom and pop hardware store?
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No, it's like a true value.
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Oh, okay.
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Well then fuck it.
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I don't give a shit now.
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They present it as a mom and pop place.
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Yeah, if it was a mom and pop place.
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But if it's a true value, go fuck it.
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He's just a manager.
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He doesn't run a hardware store.
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Perhaps.
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Franchisee, maybe.
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So he runs this hardware store.
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We're going to learn a little bit about it.
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But then something far more important happens, and that is Alex maybe has a stroke and turns
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into a character.
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Much like someone might do on improv for humans.
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Like if Bob Dassey, the other one, was on improv for humans, he might do a character
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that goes this fucking long.
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Tell folks where your little hardware store is in Austin that they don't want to go to
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the big box stores.
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Well, you know, we're the local true value franchise here in Austin and we're at Boswell
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Springs Road in 183 in Northwest Austin and we have a hardware store and we make screens
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and we sell Alex Jones videos and do a little bit of locksmithing and do all kinds of things.
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What?
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You even sell guns?
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We even...
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Oh, God, an unraveled slave with a weapon, disarm him, get the gods, disarm him immediately.
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Where as one of the slaves has a weapon, raise the alarm...
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Real quick, this goes on a while, but like this did not...
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There's nothing that set this up.
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No, this does not seem set up at all.
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No, no, no, but there's also nothing before this that leads you to believe, oh, he's about
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to do a British guy.
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So Bob Dassey himself is even like, I'm just trying to talk about screens.
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I'm trying to do a plug here, buddy.
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I'm trying to do screen doors, man.
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And I sell guns at my hardware store.
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Yeah.
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That's not a hardware store anymore.
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It's a Texas hardware store.
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I guess some people call guns hardware.
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I assume every store sells guns in Texas.
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Yeah, probably.
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I would like a Whole Foods gun.
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The problem with the selling of guns right now, Alex, is they're awful hard to get right
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now because...
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But rather you can't have the slaves because the serfs having weapons there...
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A lot of slaves.
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Barack the Quack has made everyone want to buy guns.
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He's been really good for the gun industry.
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Lord Obama is a sensible individual, total disarmament of the civilian population under
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the unity...
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Is there a goal?
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In 2001, July 7th agreement to disarm all civilians for a power monopoly of the state
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under UN law is the only sensible system ever going to carry out eugenics against these
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slaves.
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They're rabble scum.
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They need to be euthanized immediately.
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And how dare them not want to be slaves.
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Are you okay?
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How dare them not want to be in inner city reservations.
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How dare them not submit to...
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Mike Rivera is still hanging out on her.
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I was going to say, Mike has to be like, uh, are you, should I be asking if you're okay?
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I'm going to, I'm going to punt on this.
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There's a whole...
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Is your home life okay, Alex?
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There's a whole nother minute of this character.
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That can't be real.
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I'm just going to cut it off.
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No, we can't do any more of that.
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I think everyone got the taste of it.
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Yeah, the taste of it is he's ironically saying that, uh, he's, he's playing a character about
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how slaves shouldn't have guns, but he's actually literally saying that because black people
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and other disassociated groups have power now, they're saying that white people can't
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have guns.
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And so it's echoing the very real crimes that white people committed.
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And yet at the same time, they're not actually happening.
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So it's a white person once again saying, oh, of course you are doing this to me because
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this is exactly what I would do to you.
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Interesting.
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Um, so that's the end of the 19th.
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The only other thing that happens is that Alex predicts to a caller very specifically
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that within a few years, the dollar is going to go away and be replaced by the Amero, which
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uh, oh shit.
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Did that happen?
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Nine years.
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Let me check my watch.
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Nine years later.
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Nope.
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Still got dollars.
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What is the conversion rate though?
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Through the Amero?
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Is it infinity?
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Cause it doesn't exist.
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Is it infinity?
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It's like the Venezuelan currency.
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It's a 1 million percent inflation?
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More or less.
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Gotcha.
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So now we move on to the 20th.
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This is a Friday.
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Uh, so Alex is ready to get the week done.
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Um, and he wants to come pretty correct.
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He wants to come hard on this, uh, this Friday.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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And so you might've noticed that there wasn't a lot of talk of what is the predominant narrative
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in this patch of February, 2009 that we've been going over, which is all of these States
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with their sovereignty bills.
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Right.
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It's not like that.
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I thought he'd let that go by now.
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He's not.
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He gets back to it.
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Uh, as soon as we start up the 20th, but we have more guests representative Leo Berman,
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who's a senior member of the house of Texas representatives, has introduced an extremely
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powerful state rights declaration in Texas.
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Why are you using that?
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Because the listeners of this radio show and others in the last two weeks hammered him
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and pointed out what was happening.
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So he got involved.
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He will be joining us.
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What?
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Very exciting.
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Tease.
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What is, what is that voice?
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Um, what is his intent?
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That's I think it's lascivious.
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I don't know what he is intent in 2009.
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I don't know what his goals are half the time.
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He's just throwing shit out and I don't understand what was that British voice.
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That's true.
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He is having fun.
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That's it.
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There's no goal.
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Yeah.
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There's no goal.
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He's just throwing this shit at the wall.
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He knows that it doesn't really matter.
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He knows on some level that what he's talking about isn't real.
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He's just drumming up and he's got a stable operation going, but it only, it's this weird
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like terrifying ground that he must be walking on where in, in order for him to stay okay
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as the economy gets worse, he has to pretend that the economy is going to keep getting
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worse.
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Right.
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He has to keep being really negative if things are going to stay positive on his spreadsheets.
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For him.
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Yeah.
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So it's a very, it's a very weird line to walk when I'm sure for him he was like, everything's
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going to be fine.
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I don't really care.
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And that's why he allows himself to do three minute long British impressions yelling about
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UN treaties that don't exist.
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Right.
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That's why he allows himself to do that lascivious voice about this Texas house concurrent resolution
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that doesn't mean anything.
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Again, what is, what, yeah, I'm, I'm, I enjoy, I enjoy untethered.
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I enjoy untethered Alex.
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Where it feels like he has no agenda with this other than just to like, there's an agenda.
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There's bigotry still for sure.
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Well yeah, but I mean like that's, but that's always his agenda.
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We can, we can let that go because now he's just being a Dick for no reason.
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Right, right.
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Like the guy's even coming on his show and he's already starting off like, Oh, and he
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comes to us from a resolution like, fuck you.
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But I don't think that it was an elitist voice that he was doing there.
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I think, like I said, I think it's lascivious.
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Like it's almost sexy that this bill is getting introduced because Alex and his audience are
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so powerful that they can get in touch with the Texas state legislature and make them
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do things.
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That's what I think that voice, that's what it evokes in me.
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I don't understand his British accents then.
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This is, this, this is the next day.
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This isn't necessarily British.
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I think it was.
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That one sounds British though.
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Play the clip.
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I don't want to play it.
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Play the clip.
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Play it back.
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Play it back.
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But we have more guests.
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Plural.
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Radio Berman, who's a senior member of the house of Texas representatives, has introduced
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an extremely powerful state rights declaration in Texas because the listeners of this radio
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show and others in the last two weeks hammered him and pointed out what was happening.
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So he got, he got involved.
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All right.
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Now you know what?
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I think it's a lilt.
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I think you're, I think you're, I mistook the lilt for a British accent because we were
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coming right off the heels of the British accent clip.
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That was on me.
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Yeah.
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I apologize.
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I appreciate that.
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You're a big man.
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I accept my incorrectitude.
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So because we played that clip twice, we have to cut this next one and I don't really care
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about this.
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He's just talking about how the people are cracking down on Swiss bank accounts and this
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is an attack on the nouveau riche.
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I thought it was an attack on the Swiss.
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No, but I would also say that most people don't have Swiss bank accounts unless they're
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hiding something because of Swiss secrecy banking laws and what have you.
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The only reason to have a Swiss bank account is if you want to hide something.
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Right.
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Nouveau riche or not.
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Hey, you know what, and it's not even popular anymore, but the Cyprus bank account is a
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great way to hide money unless you are Paul Manafort and you are about to go down for
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it.
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Or incorporating in Ireland.
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Incorporating in Ireland is a great idea.
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So that's all.
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Give us a call from Chico, California.
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Over at five three zero neon nips.
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So that is dumb.
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Super dumb.
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But this might be dumber.
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Okay.
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I mean, it's official army war college doctrine.
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They put it back out in 2000.
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It's in my book, descent into tyranny.
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It's all public.
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This is sick.
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You know where they got the idea for the matrix, bro?
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They got that from Pentagon plans.
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Look, I know it sounds insane.
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I know putting satellite tracker boxes in your card and taxing you sounds insane, but
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they say that humans will be put into tanks in hive mind and that for our safety, there'll
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be no more murder or crime.
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We will live in tanks from birth.
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This is the, this is it.
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That's the Pentagon's plan.
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So the watch house he's got it from the Pentagon.
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Well, there's one problem that I think of.
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No, I can't think of any problems.
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And then the date he specified there is 2000 matrix came out in 1999.
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No, I can't think of any reasons why that would be different.
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Also big problem is I read a bunch of interviews with the Wachowski siblings about this, about,
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you know, the inspiration for the matrix.
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And you think something like that might be hinted at.
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You know what I mean?
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Well, I mean, even if you're, even if you're a Kubrick conspiracy theorist with the shining,
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you're still like, well, he hinted at it.
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He's raising his eyebrows all the time.
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Yeah.
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You know, that sort of thing.
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Yeah.
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And in these interviews that I read, they were all basically about the ideas of Buddhism,
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quantum physics, mathematics, a lot of cyberpunk influences and stuff like that.
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There's and yeah, various animes and comics that they were fans of.
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There's a bunch of direct references to Akita big time and to other things to the point
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of people saying that it was a kind of just a remix movie instead of a, yeah.
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And the other thing too, that is really important is that Alex, the way he's presenting this
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is the idea of like, it comes into his concept of a predictive programming where you put
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out the movie that's the truth, that's science fiction and it's just preparing the public
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for the reality.
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Right.
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And if that were the case, I would argue that the Wachowskis had a, would have had a much
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easier time making that movie because if you go, if they just had the Pentagon to go right
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off of.
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Well, yeah, because if you, if you look at the interviews with them and you hear about
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what it took to get that movie made, they were not able to secure funding until they
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had proof of design, like the idea that they were able to actually do the things that they
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had conceived of and then also had Keanu Reeves signed on.
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Right.
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Before that, no one would give them funding.
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If it was a predictive programming situation where the government wanted this message to
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get out, they probably would have fast tracked it and made it a lot easier.
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In one interview, they're talking about like, how did you get the funding?
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Right.
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I think it was Lana said, we had to go all over the world to get funding.
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They had to go, insane hoops had to be jumped through in order to make that movie.
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I'm not saying that in this, in some way that's like, thank God they did.
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It's the best thing ever.
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But if you think that that was a cakewalk, you are an idiot.
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Theory.
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Keanu Reeves works for the Pentagon.
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That's possible.
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Every movie he's made has been predictive programming because what else, what else has
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he made?
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Time travel movies, Dan, uh, underground fight movies, like angel movie, the angel movie.
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It was kind of an angel, right?
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Based on a long standing DC Vertigo project.
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Anyways.
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Uh, what about, what about his band dog star?
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Now dog star does not work for the Pentagon.
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That's just joy.
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They work for the heart.
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That's what they work for.
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I look, what was it?
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Shit.
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Now I can't even remember.
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I can't even remember the number.
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Uh, no, that one, that one is not from the Pentagon.
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Okay.
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They disavowed that project a long time ago.
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I actually, what about the Enya soundtrack for sweet November?
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Was that the Pentagon?
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God.
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Anytime we talk about Keanu, you always bring it back to Enya now cause we're eventually
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going to live in a world where John wick is normal.
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Who can say who isn't going to be John wick only time at the end of John wick too.
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It turns out that everybody in New York is an assassin.
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So that's fine.
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I should say I've not seen John wick, but I really should.
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Anyway, I'll see you eventually.
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Every single person listening to this podcast just threw their headphones onto the ground.
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Probably.
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And I'm sorry.
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They threw their headphones to the ground.
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I'm not a movie guy.
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I know you're not a movie guy, but everybody's a John wick guy.
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Everybody's a John wick guy.
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If it was on Netflix, I would have watched it by now.
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Anyway, instead I've just been watching more of that Phil Rosenthal and getting confused.
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Why are you doing that?
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I want to finish it anyway.
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Uh, I realized the other day that I spend a disordinate amount of my time doing things
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that like, and watching things that I'm not interested in, which might be the theme of
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my life.
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Yeah, no, absolutely.
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Anyway, Jordan, in this next clip, we meet a guest.
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It is not that Texas legislator, but it is another guy.
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Did the Texas legislators later show up though?
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Period.
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He comes in later.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Good.
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But before we meet him, we meet a Montana legislator and this guy, do they have legislators?
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Yeah, they got a few.
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But this guy learning about this man was so exciting because he is a player in a couple
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of stories that I've told you in the past that I didn't realize he was all fucking connected.
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God damn it.
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This is fucking amazing.
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The connections that come from this guy.
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All right.
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We'll get to it in just one second.
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All right.
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It is just off the charts.
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What is happening?
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Representative Joel Bonnick, Montana was going to be on in about five minutes.
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He called him a little bit early, so we're going to go ahead and go to him now.
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Montana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Wyoming, a bunch of other States are moving out of
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pass laws, uh, that are defending the second amendment, declaring state sovereignty representative.
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Thank you for calling in.
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Thank you.
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It's good to be with you.
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Do you know anything about Joel Bonnick?
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Yeah.
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What do you know?
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What do you know about this?
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Uh, he is from Montana.
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He was elected to be a state legislator, right?
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Uh, I would say probably right around 1998, uh, that was when the massive, uh, red wave
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in Montana happened.
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Definitely not whenever it was started.
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Uh, I don't know anything about it.
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Okay.
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Well, I'll tell you a little bit about him.
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Don't pull your fucking, you just lean back in your chair.
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Like you were fucking stoked about yourself.
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I'm so excited.
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Disappointed in you.
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This guy is pretty amazing.
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Okay.
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The interview is a zero.
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The interview is a zero.
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All right.
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But he's lived a fucking life.
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This guy.
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We've been over this so many times in terms of like the people who are putting forth these
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house resolutions that, uh, end up going nowhere.
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Right.
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Um, and so, uh, hold on, let me ask you a question and I know this is going to be wild
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because I genuinely don't know the answer.
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White dude.
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Big time.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So they, uh, as they, as they say in the streets, he's mighty white.
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So it's interesting.
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This guy has a, has a bit of a career, uh, of, of trouble in 2010 Joel Bonnick was found
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guilty of corruption and banned from participating in future elections and ordered to pay fines
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of over $54,000 for some behaviors.
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Now you might be asking, so was Lula in Brazil and that was all trumped up bullshit.
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Come on.
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You might, you might be asking what, uh, what some of these behaviors were.
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I would be interested to know, and I'd like to read to you from a Bozeman daily chronicle
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article quote, I have newspapers out there.
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You are such a, you are such a bigot against flyover country.
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You're such a coastal elitist quote a Montana district court judge on Friday found a former
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lawmaker from Livingston guilty of corruption and banned him from future elections.
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Great fall district court judge Gregory Pinsky ruled that former representative Joel Bonnick
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Republican from Livingston failed to disclose $9,060 in contributions from Western tradition
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partnership, a conservative nonprofit corporation, which conducted a direct mail campaign in
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support of Bonick's 2010 house district 61 primary election bid.
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The judge said that in exchange for the appearance of a grassroots campaign, Bonick promised
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quote unswerving fealty to the corporations carrying out the direct mail campaign, complete
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opposition to union bosses, a hundred percent in favor of your gun owners rights, a hundred
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percent pro-life stance and a hundred percent opposite opposition to radical environmentalists.
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But that's just standard Republican stuff.
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That's not even, that's like you didn't even, you don't have to swear fealty to that.
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They already knew you believed that shit.
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This is going to get so much weirder.
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This is so weird.
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You were writing a note down.
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So I want to, I want to let you get a question out if you have one by, by, by only the only
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thing I wrote down was a 10 grand.
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How quaint.
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Well, wait, hold on to that thought.
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Beautiful.
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Hold on to that.
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Imagine if corruption only equated to 10 grand these days, hold on, hold on to that thought
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because it comes back.
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So when asked to respond to these allegations, he said, quote, they don't like Joel Bonick.
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And this is how they're beating him up.
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He said in the third, he said that in the third person, quote, well then fuck this guy.
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They hate Liberty and they hate conservatives and I'm a champion.
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He called the judge a fraud with a political agenda and said he had no plans to appeal
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the Supreme Court.
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Admiralty law.
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He had no plans to appeal to the Supreme Court because they're also corrupt.
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Okay.
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My carefully reasoned legal arguments were called Jabberwocky by Pinsky, Bonick said,
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quote, they treat me like an enemy of the state because their agenda is socialism.
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I don't fear them anymore.
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I'm a political dissident.
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You don't get attacked by the system unless you stand against their injustice.
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I have the courage and I speak for the little people that are powerless.
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I'm a servant of God.
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I'm in his protection.
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I stand on my integrity.
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That's all a quote?
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Oh yeah.
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From one thing?
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One very defensive man.
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Man.
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One very, very defensive state representative.
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That's a, that's a, that's a Shakespearean level quote right there.
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So I need to, I need to tell you that this, this story goes.
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What that there's trouble in Denmark?
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Oh, there is, there is trouble in Denmark.
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So it seems pretty clear that Joel Bonick is an asshole from that quote.
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And from the court case, it seems pretty clear that he accepted illegal campaign funds from
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the Western Tradition Partnership.
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But that is not where this story ends.
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In 2012, ProPublica came out with an expose about the WTP, the Western Tradition Partnership,
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that is downright, that is downright surreal.
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And I quote, the boxes landed in the office of a Montana investigator in March, 2011.
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Founded in a meth house in Colorado, they were somewhat of a mystery, holding files
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on 23 conservative candidates in state races in Montana.
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They were filled with candidate surveys and mailers that said they were paid for by the
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campaigns and flyers and bank records from outside spending groups.
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One folder was labeled, quote, Montana Money Bomb.
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The documents pointed to one outside group pulling the candidate's strings, a social
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welfare nonprofit called Western Tradition Partnership, or the WTP.
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So are you tracking what's going on here?
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There's a money bomb.
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And apparently the WTP is keeping records on all of these conservative politicians in
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order to eventually later on influence them by having too much information about them
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and their voter base?
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I think they already have the influence based on the sort of arrangement that they've worked
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out with them.
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They just accidentally, there's a box of evidence.
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Wait, so they accidentally mailed it to somebody?
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It didn't get mailed.
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But it is in a meth house.
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So that is weird.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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You curious?
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Yes.
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How did WTP documents wind up in a meth house?
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So before we get to that, the issue here, legally speaking, is that while groups like
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the WTP are allowed to give money to campaigns, it's against the law for them to coordinate
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with campaigns or candidates.
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Many, many investigators and experts who looked at the documents recovered from this meth
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house say that it is a very easy conclusion to come to the WTP was essentially pulling
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the strings of various state legislature campaigns in Montana and Colorado, at least.
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So quote, the group is now locked in an ongoing dispute with Montana authorities who ruled
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in October 2010 that the nonprofit should have registered as a political committee and
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should have to disclose its donors.
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WTP sued.
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A hearing is set for March.
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In the meantime, the group has challenged, has changed its name to American Tradition
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Partnership, reflecting its...
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Yeah.
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You know me.
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...reflecting its larger ambitions.
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ATP.
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This month, it sent...
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Rafa played on that tour for a while, I believe.
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This month, it sent Montana voters a mailer in the form of a newsletter called the Montana
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Statesman that claimed to be the state's, quote, largest and most trusted news source.
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The front page accused the Democratic gubernatorial candidate of being soft on sex offenders.
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Wait, wait, wait.
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So now they've shifted the page.
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So they just, they were just like, oh, that's not going to work.
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We're going to change our names to this, and then we're going to pretend to be a news organization.
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A newspaper that Montana Statesman sounds like a newspaper.
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Can you just lie like that?
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I feel like you can't just lie like that, right?
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It turns out you can.
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You can just lie like that?
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Like you can just send everybody, everybody in Chicago, if I had enough money, I could
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send them a newspaper and say it was the most trusted news source in Chicago, despite the
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fact that it has never existed before.
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Every single comedy show says that they're the best show in Chicago.
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Fair enough.
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Fair enough.
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You know what?
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You're not wrong.
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I want to spoil this for you a little bit because it's just going to make you more mad.
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This ended up going to the Supreme Court and...
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They won.
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Did they win?
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Five-four, baby.
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God damn it!
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Fucking Scalia!
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They ended up ruling that, yeah, because it was before he died.
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It was fucking Scalia, wasn't it?
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Yeah, he was in the mix.
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God, I want to kill him again.
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He was still the Roberts Court, but yeah.
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Can we dig him up and then burn him again?
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Have the Illuminati kill him again?
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Yes!
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It was an issue where they were like, no, it would infringe on this company's free speech
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to not be able to give unlimited money and pretend that they're not actually influencing
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the campaign.
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Citizens United was the best ruling in history.
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You might be asking, because this is 2010 stuff, you might be asking, what does this
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have specifically to do with Bonick?
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The document cited the group's success in 2008, saying in a confidential grassroots
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membership development proposal that 28 Montana state legislatures, quote, rode into office
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in 100% support of WTP's responsible development agenda.
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Yeah, you know me.
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Joel Bonick was first elected to the Montana House of Representatives in 2008, where he
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weirdly raised $9,060 for his campaign efforts in a race where he was running unopposed.
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That's always going to be a little bit suspicious if you're running unopposed and someone just
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gives you about $10,000, something fishy is up, generally speaking.
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So they clearly were.
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What was that, for TV ads?
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That's one of the reasons why it's important for me to hook this story backwards.
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Because in 2009, he's on Alex's show, and you could be telling yourself like, oh, fuck,
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this happened later in his career.
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He got corrupt later.
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No.
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That's why he's in office in the first place.
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He's in bed with this WTP from the jump in 2008.
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He was purchased.
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He was bought.
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No.
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For $10,000.
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Absolutely.
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And that seems way too low to be able to buy somebody.
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It seems like it.
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You should be.
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Look.
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But he's probably able to make a lot of other money through other side hustles.
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I'm fine with.
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Selling influence and shit.
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I don't want to be corrupt.
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But there's a number, you know?
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There's probably a number for me.
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I would corrupt myself for some number.
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I just hope it's high enough to feel justifiable.
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$10,000.
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Too low.
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I want to be corrupt.
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Yeah.
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And in that, I mean, I want to do an album with Daz Dillinger.
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All right.
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Fourth and fifth reference.
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No.
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No.
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No.
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Anyway.
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Jordan.
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No.
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We're going to take those away from you.
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This story is so...
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The Supreme Court has ruled 4-4 against you.
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Ties.
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Push.
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So this story is so fucking weird, man.
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Yeah.
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So here's what happened.
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A felon found the documents in a meth house, right?
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And asked around at the meth house and no one really knew where they came from.
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So eventually he gets to talking to somebody and they say that they think that they were
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found in a car that someone had stolen.
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So someone stole a car.
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Someone stole the WTP's car, accidentally found a treasure trove of documents proving
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massive corruption on a statewide scale.
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And a felon was just wandering around a meth house and they were like, hey, is my civic
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duty to solve this problem?
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No, no, no.
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They actually think that they were getting a little bit creative and I like this.
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Okay.
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So what the dude did is he was looking through the documents and he contacted the Democratic
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people who were being smeared by the WTP.
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So then he was trying to run his own scam.
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Well, no, I don't think...
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Not scam.
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He was trying to...
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I don't think he was trying to extort them or anything.
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No, no, no.
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He was just trying to...
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Hey, you might want to know that this is...
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Finders fee.
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Finders fee.
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Come on.
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That's not in the story.
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Give me a finders fee.
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ProPublica did not go over the...
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I want a finders fee.
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If I'm in a meth house and I find a massive corruption document trove, I'm going to ask
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for a finders fee.
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You should at least get a little...
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At least nine...
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You should get a big...
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$8,950.
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So he sends it to one of the Democratic people who was the target of these people's campaigns
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and they're like, that's fucked up.
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And so they just send it to the Montana investigators who already had an open case about them investigating
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it.
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So that came to light all of this like rampant corruption and then of course it gets escalated
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and it ends up getting appealed to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court's like, who cares?
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That needs to be a documentary, right?
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It's so crazy.
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That's a whole story.
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It's so crazy.
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That's a whole story, yeah.
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And there's details that I've even left out in terms of like, who was the guy who might
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have stolen the car?
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I know.
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Whose car was it?
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Whose car was it?
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Was the car stolen or was the guy's car left at the meth house?
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There's a lot of...
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At the meth house?
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Because that guy was doing meth.
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A lot of it is kind of vague and I can't really parse what it is and that's why I leave those
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parts of the story out.
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There's more to it if you want to go read the full ProPublica story and like try and
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put the pieces of the puzzle together yourself.
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But if you want more information as to why Brett Kavanaugh should never be allowed to
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be seated as a Supreme Court justice, let's just go with this bullshit story of what Scalia
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has brought upon humanity.
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Jordan, I have to talk more about Joel Bonnick.
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I'm not nearly done.
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How are you not nearly done?
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Joel Bonnick is also friends with the sovereign citizen guy who we talked about in the past.
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He's come to his defense on a couple of occasions.
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He's the guy who I've talked about before.
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He is famous for wearing a tri-corner hat and a bolo tie in court.
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Oh, it's this guy.
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He's the guy who repeatedly called himself the living man and accused the judge of not
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being qualified and under the sway of the Jolly Roger.
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This is the guy who when the judge leaves the court because she's so frustrated with
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him, he's like, the judge has left the chambers.
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His case is dismissed and leaves and goes out to his car and then gets slapped with
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another contempt of court charge.
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He's a weird guy.
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So he gets charged with the contempt of court for leaving when he had no reason to leave.
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You would have expected so.
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And in his return appearance, he wouldn't stop interrupting the judge to the point where
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he had to be handcuffed and taken into the observation room for the rest of the trial.
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I love it.
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Before he left, he shamed the prosecuting attorney for being an agent of the British
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because he was a lawyer.
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Sounds right.
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It turns out, I don't know if you know this.
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I believe he called him a solicitor, sir.
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No.
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Sovereign citizens believe that some lawyers, because they use the honorific title Esquire,
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that means that they are British nobility.
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Because Esquire originally was a title under British nobility and part of their understanding
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of the Constitution is that the federal government can give no nobility titles to anybody.
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And even though Esquire is not a formal title for lawyers, sometimes they take it on this
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weird tradition that no one really knows exactly why they do it.
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And so sovereign citizens hate lawyers because they think they work for the British.
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It's amazing.
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And this guy, Joel, is friends with this guy.
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On the whole, I think literacy is a good thing.
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There are times, however, where that belief is tested.
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Because what if this guy couldn't read?
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Maybe we'd all be better off.
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Well, no, he has big binders full of things he's claimed to read.
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See, now that's the problem here.
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I don't want him to be able to read words.
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If he was only capable of signing his ex whenever he was prosecuted for being a dick.
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Making a rebus?
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Yeah.
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Like little designs, little drawings?
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You know what?
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I think I'm fine with that.
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Here's what I want.
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I'm saying that let's go back in time and just destroy the Gutenberg press.
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Ooh, Alex would be mad about that.
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I don't want people to be able to read.
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I want people...
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Let me finish my sentence.
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Let me finish my sentence.
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Whoever's listening, edit point.
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I want people to be able to read well.
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That's what I want.
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I don't...
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Like, if you are able to just read a sentence, I mean, that's good.
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That's a starting point.
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But if you can't understand what you are reading, you end up being a sovereign citizen.
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You might as well not be able to read in the first place.
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Exactly.
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It's a waste of literacy.
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Yeah.
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It's a waste of literacy.
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Ooh, that's a great insult.
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You're a waste of literacy.
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I like it.
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Let me use that from now on.
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So Joel Bonnick is a complete lunatic.
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Quote, Bonnick is no stranger to courtroom fracases.
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He was hauled into court...
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That's not a sentence I want ever associated with me ever.
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Wait for it.
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I want to be a stranger to courtroom fracases.
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Wait for it.
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He was hauled into court last year to answer charges that he'd sped through a roadblock
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in defiance of an officer's order to keep out.
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Bonnick was trying to get to his house, but his house was in an area where a forest fire
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was burning and had been evacuated and blocked off due to the emergency.
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As a devoted Tea Partier and General Wingnut, Bonnick did not recognize the authority of
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the policeman to keep him away from his private property.
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Also, during his encounter with the officer before he crashed the barrier, Bonnick allegedly
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reached for a gun that he had with him in the front seat.
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For his day in court, Bonnick brought with him an angry mob of supporters who shouted
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down the judge and prosecutor in such a menacing way that they fled the courtroom fearing for
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their safety.
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At that point...
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Wait, what?
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At that point, Bonnick stood up and proclaimed himself regent over the courtroom.
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What?
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And decreed...
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Wait, what?
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Hold on.
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No.
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No, no, no, no, no, no.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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No.
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What?
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He's declared himself king of the court.
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I'm the regent of the courtroom.
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He's declared himself king of the court.
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I've seen video of this, but I didn't know it was this guy.
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It's amazing.
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Okay.
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All right.
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So he declares himself regent of the courtroom and decreed himself innocent of all the charges
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and then in parentheses before the bailiff told him otherwise while brandishing his own
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weapon.
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Before the bailiff...
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The bailiff didn't run.
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The bailiff told him otherwise.
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The bailiff was like, get down and then pulled out his gun.
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It's such an understatement.
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I love the bailiff told him otherwise as opposed to the bailiff being like, fucking dude, I'm
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here all day.
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Yeah.
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I can pay you by the hour.
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Yeah.
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Come on, man.
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So not surprisingly, Bonnick was found guilty and given a fine of just...
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What?
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But he was king of the court.
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He's given a fee of a fine of just over a thousand dollars, which is about what he got
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from the WTP and he got a suspended sentence of 10 days in jail, which he didn't end up
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having to serve.
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Which I think is like, I mean, I get like that kind of crazy.
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If you see that video, I wasn't able to find it again, but I have seen that video and the
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fact that he created it is pretty amazing.
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I don't think that a judge and prosecutor should have to flee for their safety in a
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courtroom.
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A guy got killed, murdered by the cops for selling cigarettes.
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Jordan, don't bring...
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And this guy's...
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Don't bring that into it.
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10 days...
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Oh, fucking...
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No, you're right.
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But don't bring that into it.
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No, I know.
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Because this is fun.
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He actually stands up on a table when he declares himself the regent.
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God damn it.
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He's up there like he's...
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God damn it.
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Like he's a little boy who just won a basketball tournament.
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A hard yes.
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There's a bunch of like his angry mob cheering him on in the courtroom.
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It's bananas.
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It's hard yes.
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Like genocide now.
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No, but these sovereign citizen folk, man, and like I know from all his language and
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I'm the regent of this court and all this stuff, he believes in sovereign citizenship
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too.
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Oh, yeah?
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Much like his friend, the living human, the living man who wears bolo ties.
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Oh, dude.
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This is the best, the hardest laugh that I've had probably in the last few weeks.
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I was watching the videos of the living man.
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That should be a horror movie.
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When he has...
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That should be the Slender Man sequel, not a real thing that happened.
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When he has to come back to court and the time he ends up getting handcuffed and taken
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away because he won't stop interrupting.
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He's sitting there and the bailiffs are trying to get him to stand up and he's like, I cannot
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stand up because if I do, I recognize your authority.
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And so he's like, you must pick me up.
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And so they pick him up and they handcuff him.
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They don't rough him up.
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They're very nice with him.
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And then as they're about to take him out, he's like, I would like you to give my bolo
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tie to a friend of mine for safekeeping.
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I just, I lost my shit.
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I'm so glad he called out the bolo tie.
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At least he's a man who knows what's important.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Jesus Christ.
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These fucking people.
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They're wild.
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So...
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Kill him.
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Kill him.
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Kill him.
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Kill him.
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Kill him.
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I love it.
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Whenever we get a guest that pops up, like I can really sink my teeth into you like that.
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Can you VH1 Where Is He Now Me?
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Joel Bonick?
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Yeah.
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I mean, he didn't get reelected.
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He was against the law for a...
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He tried to run for like Lieutenant Governor in 2010 because the sentence didn't come down
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until 2012.
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Of course.
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He can't run for office anymore.
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Of course.
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Yeah.
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But he...
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Ex post facto.
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Can't prosecute me in advance.
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But he lost.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So he's out of public service.
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Poor guy.
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He is...
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I don't think he's dead.
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He's back into private crazy.
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Yeah.
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He's out of public crazy.
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So at this point, Alex has now had this weirdo on and he's like, fuck, that was a fresh weirdo.
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Yeah.
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Now we got to get a familiar weirdo on.
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And so he brings on Ted Anderson and this is nuts because I think Alex is in a bad mood.
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Ted Anderson.
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From Genesis Communications.
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No, no.
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The Ted Anderson interview is nuts because these are all very predictable for the most
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part.
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It's just people selling gold.
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The second half of this interview is very predictable.
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Okay.
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It's the gold part.
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Right.
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But generally when Ted comes on, it's all business because it's a commercial.
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That's why he's there.
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Right.
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But in this case, Alex is in like, I don't know what's going on with him exactly, but
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he's in a bad fucking mood.
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And so he just freaks out at Ted for a while, which is kind of fun.
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Weird.
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Well, it's kind of like, I can't do this to a lot of my guests and I know you're a pushover
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and you know that I sell all your gold, so I'm going to yell at you for a little while.
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Right.
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I'm not going to be mad at you, but I'm going to yell at you and it's not going to be fun.
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Right.
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He's venting.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We got a bunch of dirt bags, Soviet touch scum, the people that funded the Bolsheviks
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and the Nazis running things.
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They want to do what they did over there here.
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They want to cull our butt, Ted.
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Yep.
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And you take away the guns of the people and then you gain full control.
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I mean, that's where you're ready for the concentration.
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I've got the Australian news crew here where they had their guns confiscated.
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I mean, you know, I'm sorry, go ahead, Ted.
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I mean, they're arresting the people that are using guns to defend themselves in England
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and letting the criminals out of jail.
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I mean, that's what's going on over there.
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That's what that kind of law would do here.
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I mean, we need to have our weapons.
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They want to set the precedent that citizens cannot protect themselves.
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Better people.
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When somebody bashes a vase over someone's head when they're raping them, they arrest
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the woman.
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It's not...
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That doesn't sound right.
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They don't want you defending themselves.
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Look, if criminals ran government, they would pass laws where good people couldn't defend
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themselves from criminals because the low-level criminals are their brethren.
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Ted, I have mainstream articles where the army and marines are hiring aggravated felons.
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The government is criminal, period.
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What more do you have to see?
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I'm sorry, Ted.
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Stay there.
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Let's come back.
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Tell them about the gold prices.
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I can't even take pleasure in the fact we've been right about the gold in all of our listings
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that bought gold or make any huge profits.
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I can't even enjoy anything.
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I can't enjoy anything anymore.
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All I do is worry about my children and this country, and there's all these stupid yuppies
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calling me a conspiracy theorist while the whole world goes to hell in a hand basket.
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We'll be right back.
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Stay with us.
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Transmission continues.
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I think that might be one of the commercial breaks where he ended up throwing a chair
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or something like that.
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Yeah.
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That sounded real rage.
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Yeah.
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He's real mad.
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I can't even enjoy my sales pitch, Dan.
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I can't even enjoy it.
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They're ruining my day.
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We hate doing this, but this is an instance of you've got to give it up to Alex a tiny
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bit in terms of he's not lying about gold prices.
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He's lying a little bit because he says that they're over $1,000, and I think they might
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have been up over $1,000 for a little bit during the day, but I have all the graphs
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here in front of me, and in February 2009, it was at $950 or so, and that might be a
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small distinction, but it's not because it never reached $1,000 until September as a
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stable price.
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It might have fluctuated throughout the day, and we peaked there, but where it settled
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in terms of a closing price was not that until September.
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So had you bought gold in February and then sold it in September, even if you had bought
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it from GCN, you might have made money.
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Well, you would have been fleeced because of their service charges and shit like that.
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Right.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Even from them, you might still have made money.
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Well, see, here's where we have to talk about the logistics of gold for a second.
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Which I still don't understand.
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Well, but here's the thing.
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If you're not-
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Do they mail you coins?
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No, because they hang on to it, right?
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Often, yes.
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That's crazy.
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I believe that there's different arrangements you can have, but yeah, they do have lockers
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that they keep it in.
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Crazy.
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When we're looking at this increase of gold, it ended up peaking in September of 2011 at
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about $850 an ounce, and so if you'd bought it when Alex is selling it down there at like
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$800, $900 an ounce, and it gets up there, then you've made $900 from that ounce over
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two years.
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Which isn't terrible, but at the same time, if you're going to drop that money, you have
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to have money.
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You know what I mean?
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Yes.
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You're getting a 100% return over it that ended up falling after that to the point where
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it's at like $1200 now after it stabilized a little bit.
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You would have made $900 on this investment if you cashed out in September of 2011 off
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of a $900 investment.
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If you're not buying in bulk...
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That's a great investment then.
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It is, but if you're not buying in bulk, that's not a meaningful transaction over two years.
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You know what I'm saying?
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It's not really meaningful in any way to the consumers that are probably listening to his
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show.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah.
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I know that...
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I'm saying I wouldn't put my IRA into it.
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Well, I'm telling you that gold is rising and they're not lying about that.
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One of the things that they are kind of lying about is if that means anything to you.
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It costs a lot to get into the game to buy any meaningful amount of it because whatever
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money you have around, like let's say you have $300 to invest in gold.
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You buy $300, you get like, at this point in time, a third of an ounce of gold and then
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two years later, it's worth $600.
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Is that really life-changing even though the price has gone up double?
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It's not really.
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No.
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You have to buy a lot of it for that to make a difference.
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Right.
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So he's still screwing over these people who are buying little bits.
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Well, yeah.
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I mean, but I still don't...
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You turn 20 bucks into 40 if you get out at the right time.
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I'm never going to understand the gold commodities market, Dan.
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No matter how many times you explain it to me, I'm still going to get stuck on like,
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is this Spanish coins from a sunken treasure ship?
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I really don't understand it.
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It's not doubloons.
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I'm never going to understand how it makes any sense.
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It's very weird.
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I mean, it's sort of a thing for, you know, traders, maybe on like gold futures or something
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like that.
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But somehow I understand Bitcoin and I do not understand this.
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Maybe we could spend a day sometime, have a picnic and we could explain those to each
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other because I don't understand Bitcoin.
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But so that's one piece that I think that we've been remiss in talking about is like
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for this to mean anything, the price of it...
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You have to be a massive investor.
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The point of entry is very difficult for folks.
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It makes sense if you're a billionaire and it doesn't make any goddamn sense if you're
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just a person who's buying gold coins.
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Right.
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And none of his listeners are billionaires.
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So they are the people who are getting screwed over and Ted is just vampirically sucking
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off of them.
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Exactly.
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But at the same time, like it's pretty similar to a stock that's already expensive.
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Like even if, let's say, Apple just became the first trillion dollar corporation and
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even if you had bought stock when it was 500 billion a share, 10 years ago, you would still,
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you would have to be a massive investor to make enough money off of them being a trillion
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dollar company now in order for it to make any sense for you to do so in the first place.
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The point of meaningful entry is inaccessible to most of Alex's listeners and the funnel,
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the conduit with which they could get in is a shady business called Midas Resources.
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So they're screwed on both ends.
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And now the third thing that I want to bring up, I think it's a third, is that this is
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exactly what you would expect to see.
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These track upward of gold.
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It's absolutely what you would expect to see after a financial crash.
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After people are panicking a little bit, gold prices obviously would rise.
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And because gold prices are just fucking gold prices that seem almost untethered to the
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other commodity markets that you see.
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Well we've talked about this as it relates to gold.
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A lot of times the price and those sorts of things with commodities are based on scarcity
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and some of that scarcity can be a little bit artificial.
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So the idea that Alex always is talking about how it's really hard to get a gun, well it's
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not because the government doesn't want you to have a gun, it's because you're creating
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all this fear and everyone's going and buying guns in the fever pitch.
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And then there's no more guns to buy.
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And that artificial scarcity is why Venezuela has a 1 million percent inflation rate right
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now is because OPEC and other oil producers have artificially deflated the prices.
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I get it.
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But that one also has to do with the Dutch disease.
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But I don't want to get too deep into that because we've already talked about that.
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Oh you mean civilists?
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Yeah that's it.
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But what he's doing, whether or not it's all of his listeners, and it's not just him, there's
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all these gold bug assholes out there who have their own cottage industries.
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They are the people who are pushing this gold when there is fear and when there's anxiety.
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So what they do is they end up having a lot of people who are buying gold and that makes
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the price of gold to go up.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah.
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So in the same way that they're artificially creating this pretend scarcity of guns, they
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are feeding into the scarcity of gold that ends up raising the price of gold.
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It's kind of a self-perpetuating cycle.
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No I get that.
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That only ends up hurting the customers of Midas Resources.
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I just don't.
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So let me get this really, really straight down from the very bottom.
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Gold is expensive because it's shiny.
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And because of its many uses in electronics.
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There are a bunch of cables and stuff like that that specifically need gold.
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There are a lot of very specific uses for gold as a semiconductor and shit like that.
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There are functional reasons that gold has an intrinsic value.
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But then the other reason is just because of this idea that it's been valuable for a
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long time.
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In the same way with diamonds and stuff like that, even though diamonds have a functional
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use too.
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Yeah.
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They're really sharp.
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Well there's that.
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I know about the hustler scale.
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There are functional uses, but that's not the primary driver of the price generally.
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That's what I'm saying.
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It is that there are people...
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Like it comes from a million years ago whenever it was like, this is shiny.
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And it was hard to get.
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And there's not a ton of this.
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It's been traditionally hard to get.
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And then once it became easier to get, it was hard to get for you and I, but the companies
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who could get it controlled the supply in order to raise demand.
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Does everybody kind of know that our economy is built on magic?
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I think everyone should suspect that.
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Everybody kind of gets the idea that our economy is just like smoke and mirrors.
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And if everybody just realized that a refrigerator was more valuable than gold, we would lose
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our minds.
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Yeah, it'd be crazy.
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Yeah.
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I remember one foundational moment for me was when I was in my freshman, sophomore year
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of college.
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My buddy, John, found out that his dad owned a ton of land.
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And it was usable land.
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And the government paid him not to grow things there because if they did grow things there,
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it could hurt the supply.
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It would inflate the supply and like corn prices would end up going down.
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And so in order to offset that, the government pays a lot of people who have land to not
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do anything with it.
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And so he had this plot of land where there was just a shack out there and we would go
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and get drunk and have bonfires and stuff like that.
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And that was the price and I guess his dad would go like maybe kill a deer every now
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and again.
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Sure.
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Right there.
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Maybe illegally.
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What are you, loser?
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Yeah.
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Come on.
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But that to me was always like, oh, I had no, like because of the family that I come
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from, I had no access to that idea that that was a part of the price modifying, price stabilizing
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mechanism that goes into just the food we eat.
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Yeah.
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And if you extrapolate that out to gold, diamonds, any of these commodities and stuff like that,
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obviously there are people who are manipulating everything, but it's not an evil manipulation.
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It's a stabilizing manipulation.
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I think that that is an important line to draw because any manipulation could be seen
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as suspect.
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No, I get that.
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But at the same time, even that manipulation is a tacit acknowledgement of the meaninglessness
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of the entire system.
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True.
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And we are doing this because we know that if you know that this all means nothing, shit
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would get wild.
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Right.
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But why do you do assignments in high school?
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Like you know, like, why do you do, like- That's what I'm saying.
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Right.
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I mean- I'm saying, look, I'm not putting you on trial, Dan, I'm putting the whole system
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on trial.
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Ninety percent of the things that are done in mainstream society are pointless.
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Yeah, no, it's all imaginary.
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But you do- We all live in such a weird imaginary world.
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Why would you do it?
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Because it maintains the status quo in a pleasurable way for everyone.
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You know what I mean?
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Well, well.
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Ideally.
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Yeah.
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Ideally.
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Yeah.
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You hope- Yeah, yeah.
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That's what social progress is about.
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Yeah.
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Getting to the point where it is pleasurable for everyone or comfortable for everyone or
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not- The concept of it.
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Yes.
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Not abusive for everyone.
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Yes.
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You hope to get to that point with the illusions of society that we all agree just to live
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in.
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Yeah.
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Because whatever.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But- Where is Steve from Chicago at now?
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Oh, man.
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He's probably in the South suburbs.
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You think he's in Orland Park?
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Yeah, probably.
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I think he's in Orland Park.
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I've been to Orland Park.
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I think he's in Orland Park.
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I've done some shows.
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Oh, no, no.
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He's definitely Orland Park.
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That was in my head, but I couldn't come up with the name.
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Yeah.
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I think I might have met him.
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So- Local jokes means local work.
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And local laughs.
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Cut this out.
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Five country zero.
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Neon neps.
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Jordan, we have now a very large story that Alex is going to get into.
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He has a big narrative.
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It's all bullshit.
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But here we go.
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And it is being reported in the Daily Times Herald in Carroll, Iowa.
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I want to pause.
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And I'll tell you why this is so important and so different.
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I want to pause just real quick because I don't know if you've heard, but Alex keeps
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going like, yeah, I don't know why he's doing that.
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I tried to track through the episode if it's a nervous tic of some sort.
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I think he just has something in his throat.
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You think he's just playing his Michael Jordan flu game.
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Like he's still bringing it, even though his skill level isn't at the level that it should
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be.
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I mean, he's working 16 and a half hours a day, not including commute.
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Not including transit time.
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Yeah.
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And so that probably is maybe he has something going on.
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Maybe he's fighting cold or something like that.
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What do you think his transit time is?
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Forty five minutes each way?
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I actually probably would be able to find out exactly.
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I know his address and I know where his studio is, so I can probably figure that out.
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All right.
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Well, we need to go back to Austin and we need to drive back and forth because this
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claim is bullshit.
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No, I could just look at a map and figure it out.
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I imagine he speeds.
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So anyway, from other operations, I'm going to start reading now.
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Guardsmen to conduct.
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And remember, they're not guardsmen now.
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They've been federalized in Northcom.
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So federal troops to conduct urban training at Arcadia in April.
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Listen carefully.
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The Carroll National Guard unit will train on urban military operations by holding a
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four day exercise at Arcadia.
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The purpose of the April 2nd to 5th drill will be to gather intelligence, then search
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and apprehend a suspected weapons dealer, according to Sergeant Mike Knotts, readiness
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NCO for Alpha Company.
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Now, remember, in my film Road to Tyranny, I have a Marine Corps officer.
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He showed me all the documents, who secretly was doing raids on gun dealers with the police
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in Virginia, in Norfolk, in the late 80s.
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This has been a covert plan.
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No.
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What?
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And they go on the article to admit this is because of today's political climate in the
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US.
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They're not even saying this is for overseas now.
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They are though, man.
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They are.
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I read this article that he's talking about and this is...
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National Guard trains at Arcadia to find weapons dealer living really close to Alex Jones,
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crossing the Rubicon, going to solve all of our problems.
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Got to call the Omni-Bugsman.
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Got to do it.
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He's in the barrio.
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Who else is there going on?
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So this is just another Jade Helm type thing situation that he's lying about.
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So the article is from this Daily Times Herald, probably, but he's actually reading from an
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article in WorldNetDaily.
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Even the WorldNetDaily article doesn't really back up his claims.
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So the National Guard is running a role-playing operation where one person is inserted into
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a small town, in this case Arcadia, Iowa, who's playing an illegal gun dealer, like
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an arms dealer.
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So is he like a half-orc?
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No.
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No.
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Straight human.
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Straight human.
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It's not that kind of role-playing.
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Okay.
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Human role-playing.
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Okay.
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No cosplaying.
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No.
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Okay.
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So then give me a rundown of his skills and abilities and perhaps magic spells.
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Charisma is six.
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Charisma is six?
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That's a low charisma.
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He's a rogue.
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He's a rogue?
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Rogues have high charisma.
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These are the only references I know.
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I don't play these games, although I wish I had as a child.
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If you're going to run a con...
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Look, a rogue is a con man.
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You've got to have a high charisma for that.
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This is not necessarily a con man.
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It is an arms dealer.
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Okay.
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It's a very blunt business as opposed to...
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Fair enough.
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So that means that his wisdom has to be pretty solid.
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Oh, I would assume so.
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Oh, yeah.
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So the Guard is going to come into this town and whichever houses consent to be involved
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in the role-play, they might get a knock on the door and get pretend searched.
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The issue is that the Iowa National Guard needs to train, but, quote, there are no active
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duty bases in Iowa, so there are no urban warfare training centers of any size, Lieutenant
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Colonel Greg Hopwood said.
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Quote, in order to get that larger neighborhood feel or city feel, we have to be creative
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and partner with our communities.
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So the way the role-play would go is like, let's say we live there, we say, no, we don't
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want to be involved, then we just get inconvenienced a tiny bit while they're running around town
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doing their role-play.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They're fucking up traffic.
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Right.
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But it's also a city with a population of 400 something.
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Right.
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So you know traffic is going to be really fucked up if there's like 30 guys running
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around.
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Just go around the grass.
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You don't need to go on the road.
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But where are they?
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Where are they driving?
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Just go around the roadblock on the grass.
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So do they each start with 100 gold pieces or like 50 gold pieces would be prohibitively
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expensive.
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Okay.
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All right.
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That's thousands and thousands.
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All right.
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All right.
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But what are we talking about?
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Are we talking like a broadsword or?
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Not in the mood.
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Not in the mood for RPG talk.
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I'm not.
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I got no references, man.
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It's not my style of video game.
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I'm going to let it go.
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I just felt the need.
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I like Donkey Kong Country.
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I just needed to take it to the point where you couldn't take it anymore.
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That's just all I needed.
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I just needed it for my soul.
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Feels like that very often on the show.
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All right.
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Fair enough.
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Yay.
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Don't.
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Get him.
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Get him.
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So this is fun.
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I would love this if I was in this town.
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And I would be like, oh, fuck yeah, you can involve me in this.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Because they very clearly point out to like the way it works is that like the people who
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are the guard officers who are coming into the town don't know who the person inserted
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is who's playing the arms dealer.
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And so they'll go to the houses that consent and they'll like knock on the door and they'll
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have a picture and they'll be like, have you seen this guy?
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What do you know about him?
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And then pretend to search the house.
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But like it's like a real life game of murder.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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It's like a whole fun party.
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It's like a parlor game, but there's like cops involved.
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But also the way that they run the searching of the homes, one of the things they're training
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for there is how to do that respectfully.
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Because when you're in wartime overseas and you're looking for a specific person, you
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might not treat that foreign citizen with the respect that they deserve.
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So doing it with fellow citizens might be advantageous in some ways for you to learn
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how to do this safely and responsibly.
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So you treat people like people because you treat the people who look like you like people.
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I mean, I wish it wasn't-
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Is it training for treating people who don't look like you?
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I wish it wasn't like that, but yeah.
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Yeah.
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To some extent.
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That's essentially what that is.
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Yeah.
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But then also if it is your first time searching a house, let's say, when it's high stakes,
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you might really fuck up.
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I would much rather people in America consent to a fake search of their house to train troops
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to not murder foreign citizens.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with this.
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And I mean, all of the fears that Alex has certainly haven't been materialized in present
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day.
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Question.
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Do you have to quarter them as well?
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No.
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Okay.
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Well then I am fine with it under the terms of the constitution.
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There's probably a Ramada Inn or something like that.
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So Alex lies a little bit more about this situation here, and I only keep this in mostly
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because he does a funny voice.
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But they're going to go to real people's houses, and then it says they're going to ask them
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about their guns.
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I mean, this is it, folks.
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And they're going to spend 41st, it was five, then 10, now 40 something billion, quote,
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for the image of the military in the US media and foreign media.
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I mean, folks, it's 40 something billion just brainwashing everywhere.
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They're making a move.
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This happens in third world countries all the time.
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It's a military coup, and they've got to acclimate us to accept it.
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Soldiers will knock only in households that have agreed to participate in the drill, not
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said, I've been to the other drills and I've got it on video and police say to the takeover
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where local said, yeah, they came to our door and told us not to talk to you.
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That you're crazy.
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In fairness, if I were at that, I would also be like, look, you know what we're doing?
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That guy is trying to stir shit.
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That guy is totally no.
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If this was trying to make a police state to documentary, he's going to create a scene.
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If this was happening, if this was happening in Austin, Alex would totally have written,
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oh, agreed.
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Please come search my house.
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Oh, just for sure.
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Just so we could do that.
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Yeah.
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And then pretend it was a real search.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So also, it doesn't say in that article at all that they're going to ask about whether
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or not you have guns.
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That's just him editorializing and completely making stuff up.
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You know, what bums me out is that, again, we get into this place where I kind of agree
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with Alex.
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No, I know.
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It's tough.
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It's so frustrating because, yeah, look, I went to-
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Spending money on glamorizing the military is fucking weird.
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I went to the-
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The idea that they pay all this money to have these things at football games.
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Exactly.
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I was at the Cubs game watching the game and they had this whole like, this is your serviceman
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and everybody, everybody stood up and fucking standing ovation and I'm like, fuck all of
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you.
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What are you fucking idiots doing?
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Do you not understand what the fuck is going on here?
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This cost the military and then you a million dollars to advertise you loving how much we
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murder everybody all over the world.
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What are you fucking idiots doing?
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And nobody-
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I agree with Alex.
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That's bullshit.
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It's insane.
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Right.
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But again, this is just the secondary point that you agree with him on.
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I know.
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I know.
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I wish he weren't right when he's so wrong.
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Yeah.
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He has no business being right about things that don't matter when he's wrong about the
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things that do.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah.
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Something like that.
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That was the best I could do with that sentence.
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Anyway, we now get a new guest and I don't mean new in terms of like, we haven't seen
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him before.
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He's stolen a lot of gold from various-
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Oh boy.
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Apartheid states.
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We got a, we got a Swedelander?
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I don't know.
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Not necessarily, but he-
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We got a Rhodesian?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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I want to bring up Bob Chapman.
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God damn it.
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He's one of the largest financial newsletters in the world, one of the largest private silver
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and gold brokers.
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So at this point I'm like, wait, Ted's already been on the show when Alex screamed at him.
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What's going on here?
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Is Ted going to come back to complete the three man game with Bob Chapman?
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In 2009, I've never seen Ted and Bob not be a parcel deal.
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Right.
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They're always running the two man game.
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Right.
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So I'm like, wait, Ted's already been on the show.
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This is weird.
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What are they going to get into?
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Is Ted still on hold?
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No, he's not.
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Okay.
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I'm like, what the fuck are they going to get into?
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Because it is probably like half an hour later in the show.
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Alex rambles a ton about that Iowa shit, and actually, spoiler alert, he ends up getting
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a guy from the Iowa National Guard on as a guest at the end of the show.
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I don't have any clips of it because the guy is just like, no, no.
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I've been a member of the Iowa National Guard for 20 something years.
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I'm in public communications.
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I know what you're saying doesn't make sense.
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First off, Alex, do you know what a National Guard does?
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No, no, no.
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The bigger point that he makes that Alex can't argue with, but he keeps trying to, and he
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said it in one of those last clips, was that the National Guard has now been federalized.
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And what this guy keeps pointing out is, well, yes, we exist as a federal entity when we
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are activated in that way, like if the National Guard goes to war, or if we are in some sort
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of defensive capability, yes, we become a federal entity.
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But other than that, 99% of the time, we are under the direction of the governor of whatever
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state we are the National Guard of.
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So we're kind of like the State Guard.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And he keeps bringing that up, and Alex has nowhere to go with it, and it completely punctures
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all of his narratives, like the idea that these people are all just under the sway of
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the black man in federal power, which is really, if you cut through it.
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Which is essentially what it's coming down to.
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That is most of the fear.
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The black president is going to make white people feel bad.
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Right.
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So he does this really, really fucking disappointing interview that I actually, I thought about
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cutting some clips from just to hear Alex go, a bunch of times, but it wasn't worth
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it.
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Like it really wasn't.
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It was too boring, and Alex was way too defensive, although I do wish I had this one last clip,
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like literally, like right at the four hour mark, the end of the show, Alex, like he hears
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the exit music playing.
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Guy is still on the phone.
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I don't know how he hasn't hung up yet.
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It's been like 15 minutes.
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He's having a great time.
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No, he's not.
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He's having a great time.
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He is not.
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He is very polite.
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He's polite.
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Yeah.
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He's a serviceman.
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And so at the end of it, Alex was like, well, you've been lied to, and I'm sorry that I've
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talked to people up way higher in the chain of command than you, but hopefully one day
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you'll see the light.
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All right.
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Thanks for joining us.
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Replay starts now.
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Nicely done.
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Nicely done.
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That's a dismount is what that is.
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So at this point where we are in the show, Bob Chapman's in and Ted's already been on,
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so that's fucked up.
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So what's going on?
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What are they going to talk about?
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What are they going to talk about?
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Well, take Israel.
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Netanyahu has now become the new prime minister of Israel and he's saying he's going after
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Iran.
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Well, Netanyahu is a Nazi.
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They have a fascist state in Israel.
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Holy shit.
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He's a former, well, probably still a CIA operative and work with the Mossad.
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So you can well expect that.
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And the people of Israel realize, but you know, if that's what they want, that's what
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they want.
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Bob.
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Holy shit.
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Bob.
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Bob, did you actually, did he accidentally get 40% of things right?
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Bob.
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Crazy Bob.
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That's crazy.
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Nuts.
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Well.
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Wow.
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I expected the, uh, the fiddle men to the, uh, the, uh, the gold sales guy, the guy who's
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just sort of like, man, I'm playing back round trying to give you credibility would come
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in with the harshest Netanyahu's a Nazi.
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Wow.
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That's bananas.
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Crazy.
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But I mean, at the same time, game recognize game.
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You know, when you're, when you're a part of a Nazi regime, you recognize, well, yeah,
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but multiple.
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Yeah.
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You know, essentially.
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You know, you know, when the, you know, when a Nazi is in power.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well you do, you do not not see the Nazi among you.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That was the worst.
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You tried.
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You tried.
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I appreciate you.
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Thank you.
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I'm not, I'm going to give that a wash.
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That's not a negative one.
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That's good.
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We'll go push.
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Yeah.
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Um, so at this point, Alex makes what I can only describe as something that I'm so glad
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was an empty threat.
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I'm looking at, uh, the March 23rd, 1775, the war is inevitable.
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Patrick Henry speech.
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And I'm going to know, we've got all these guests on day.
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I've got to take time out to read the whole thing because in context, it's just beautiful.
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I'm so glad he didn't end up doing that.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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What happened?
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It's too long.
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I know that he's better at reading in 2009 than he is in present day.
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But also why would you call that the war is inevitable speech when it's really the give
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me liberty or give me death speech?
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The war is inevitable.
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But the is, isn't even in the title.
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That's called the war.
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Inevitable.
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No, that's how it ends.
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Right?
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No.
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The end is give me liberty or give me death because the war is inevitable.
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No, no.
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I remember that speech.
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Give me liberty or give me death because the war is totally inevitable.
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He even said totally.
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That was a weird thing to say.
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He said totes?
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Yeah.
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Hashtag inevitable war.
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No, I'll give you, I'll read you the last paragraph.
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It's in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter.
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Gentlemen may cry, peace, peace.
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But there is no peace.
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The war has actually begun.
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The next gale that sweeps from north will bring our ears to the clash of resounding
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arms.
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Our brethren may already be in the fields.
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Why stand we here idle?
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What is it that gentlemen wish?
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What would they have if life is so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price
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of chains and slavery?
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Forbid it, almighty God.
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I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.
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God damn it.
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That's a good paragraph.
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It's not bad.
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That's a solid paragraph.
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It doesn't end with the war is inevitable.
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And also the title is the war inevitable.
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Sort of a poetic title.
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But be that as it may, I'm like, all I care.
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Look, he's not wrong.
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All I care about is that he didn't read at all.
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Because I think I did a better job with that paragraph.
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Even though I stumbled over a couple of words.
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You did fine.
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Yeah.
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I'll give you two or three more read throughs and you'll fucking nail it.
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Yeah.
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This voiceover?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh yeah.
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So now.
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Take it from the top one more time, Jim.
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So now everything kind of comes full circle.
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Bob Chapman, the internationalforecaster.com.
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Post and check the site out and send an email and get a free complimentary copy.
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It's just invaluable information, the internationalforecaster.com.
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Thank you so much for coming on with us today.
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Thank you, Alex.
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See you next week.
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Bye bye.
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All right.
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Take care.
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There goes Bob Chapman.
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I've known him twice during one program.
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I'm only going to spend about two minutes with him.
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I wanted to get him back on.
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Oh, I told you he was coming back on.
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Yep.
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I told you he was coming back on.
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I was honestly a little pissed that you predicted that.
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Oh, of course.
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I know you were half joking.
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The two man game.
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It's a two man game.
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No, because he comes back and Bob is gone now.
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Right.
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But that's what I'm saying.
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The guy who has to make you afraid of everything needs to come on before the guy who tells
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you what the solution to everything is.
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There is no doubt that Bob spent the last minute and a half, two minutes of his appearance
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saying that the market is going to fucking collapse like crazy.
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For sure.
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Gold is going to be great.
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For sure.
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And Ted's prices are amazing.
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Incredible.
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So all that did happen before that clip, but I think it's so...
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It's nuts.
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I've never heard that in my life.
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He brought Ted on to just yell at him for a little bit like, fuck, we got to talk about
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gold price.
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I'm sorry.
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We'll do it after the break.
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That brings him back after they do the thing that they do all the time.
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Maybe Bob was at the fucking store.
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Maybe Bob didn't have the timing right.
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And so Bob is trying to check out at his local Kroger.
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Or maybe when they were supposed to do the two man act, that's when Joel Bonnick called
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in.
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Oh, that could be because Joel Bonnick called in five minutes early.
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Yeah.
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We do know that there's some...
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So that could have fucked up everything.
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That could have fucked up the timing.
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Yeah.
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There is some sort of scheduling glitches here.
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That sounds like the most reasonable situation here is Bob was sidelined and then for whatever
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reason...
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I mean, what is this?
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If you consider that he doesn't have episodes on Saturday, this is probably the 45th episode
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that I've listened to from 2009 or so, and every time Bob Chapman is on, it's to set
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up Ted.
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Yeah.
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So the idea that they kind of fucked that game up a little bit on this one episode is
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a massive anomaly.
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Yeah.
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But I do like that it came at the expense of just Alex yelling at Ted for a while.
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Just venting some of his like, I feel bad.
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Oh, Bob isn't here, Ted.
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Ted, I'm telling you, this world is going to a hell and a hand basket, Ted.
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We are waiting for Bob to call in.
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Bob is not calling in.
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Ted, you are living in a world that is dominated by a piece of shit.
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Ted.
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Ted, Bob Chapman is going to...
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He's not called in yet, Ted.
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Bob texted me and said he's out of bouillon, not gold bouillon, needs beef stock.
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He's at the Kroger.
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Shit.
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Why did...
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It'll be here soon.
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Why was Kroger the reference?
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I don't know.
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Where did that come from?
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I don't know.
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It's a very popular chain.
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When was the last time?
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Is it?
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Yeah.
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It's all throughout the Midwest.
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I know, but I'm just saying, why did I pull Kroger for no reason?
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Did we both?
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We both did.
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Yeah.
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We both pulled Kroger.
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I got to listen to the tape back.
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I guarantee.
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Listen back to the tape.
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We both pulled Kroger.
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I'm going to freak out when I re-listen to this.
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Seriously.
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Because I didn't hear you say Kroger and I thought it was weird that I said it.
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Insane.
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Insane.
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I know, right?
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Yeah.
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It's insane.
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For whatever reason, 2009 and Kroger...
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There are no Krogers in Chicago.
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I know.
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I haven't seen a Kroger in 10 years.
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I have.
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I think my brother used to live in Columbus, Ohio, and when I don't listen to him...
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Well, yeah, but that's Kroger country.
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Oh, totally.
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Totally.
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I could have said Schnucks.
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It's a nice grocery chain out in central Missouri.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Why not?
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How about a Jewell-Osco?
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What about it?
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Eh, what about it?
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Anyway.
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Sponsor the show, Jewell-Osco.
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Oh, I'd love it.
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So Schnucks, we could sell your double coupons.
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I would have said J&J Peppers, but they are out of business.
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JJ Peppers.
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JJ Peppers.
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No and in there.
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Sorry.
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I always feel like there should be an and anytime.
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They did go out of business.
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They did go out of business.
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We're going to miss them.
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Yeah.
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Um, so this next clip, Jordan, there is another guest who is the Texas legislator who's still
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coming up.
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Yes.
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But Alex also throughout the show has been teasing that there's a surprise guest that
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he's hoping can come on.
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Okay.
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Turns out that guy can't come on.
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All right.
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But he gets that guy's friend.
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Alex, I can come on.
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I'm still here.
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I've been on hold this entire goddamn show.
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Steve from Chicago has more to say.
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So this guy is a friend of the guests that Alex hoped to get on, which is disappointing.
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Very disappointed.
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He's a friend of the guy.
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Okay.
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Alex tries to make it work though.
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And God bless him.
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We were going to get the fellow on from the seven, seven ripple effect who made the film,
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who mailed it out, uh, to a bunch of people.
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And it mailed to a jury and you're looking at seven, seven bombings saying, look, you
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know, here's evidence that it was an inside job and they arrested him in Ireland, uh,
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and they've got some extradition order now from England.
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He was supposed to get out today, but he, uh, Anthony Hill has not been able to join
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us.
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So Rob Freeman, good friends with him.
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What is happening right now?
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Good afternoon, Alex.
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It's nice to be with you as, as actually, as we speak, um, Anthony John Hill has been
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released and he was, uh, allowed, uh, he was actually ransomed for the sum of 3,500 euros
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again.
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This is for sending out a DVD.
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Are you sure it's not just bail?
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He was ransomed was a bail for sending out a DVD.
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But the issue is who he sent the DVD to, uh, a jury, a jury, a jury, that's probably illegal,
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isn't it?
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Who were, uh, uh, deciding a seven, seven case and it was deemed jury tampering.
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Some kind of, there's some, there's, there's like a law that if Walla jury's in deliberation,
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you can't influence them because that would be some sort of like, also it's like a bad
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idea.
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Also really implies that you had to do some work to figure out who that jury was and find
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out how to contact them.
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He also sent one to the judge.
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All this is like, I mean, look, that's just bad jury tampering.
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Send DVDs wherever you want, but that's just bad jury tampering.
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If you send it to those people, it's kind of, it's real adjacent to jury harassment.
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Yeah.
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What you got to do is you got to go to the trial.
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You got to find out what jurors kind of react with, what facial expressions, and then only
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send it to those jurors after doing a lot of research and finding out where they lived
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and then stalking them.
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And then you never send it to the judge.
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The judge isn't on your team.
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Come on, man.
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They work for the admiralty.
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That's just bad jury tampering, right?
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I'm just, I'm not angry about the tampering.
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I'm angry about the incompetence.
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So this guy's friend, uh, Anthony John Hill, uh, he made this documentary called Seven
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Seven, the ripple effect.
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And what's interesting about that is that there's a group of seven, seven bombing skeptics
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called the July 7th truth campaign who had this to say about his documentary quote, as
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far as I can see the materials in the ripple effect, uh, have been available for a good
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two years.
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So I'm curious as to why it's only now that this film has been released.
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They believe that the official account of the seven, seven bombing is full of holes,
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but they have an entire website cataloging the serious inconsistencies and irresponsible
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assumptions that Hill makes in his film.
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There's literally no way that he's in prison for revealing, uh, forbidden information.
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It's because he was jury tampering.
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So even the skeptics are like, you're wrong.
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Yep.
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Even the people who make us believe that we're wrong.
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That's how wrong you are.
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You give love a bad name to a Bon Jovi.
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That's not rap.
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So I can't give myself another one for that.
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No, you cannot.
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I will actually give you a minus one for that one.
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Now I would have left this out and said, this is irrelevant for us to talk about because
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it's not even this guy, it's this guy's friend, but there's two things.
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One, this guy, uh, Hall, who wrote, uh, who made the seven, seven ripple effect.
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And his other friend Oates, who made the seven, eight dance effect.
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Your bombing is not, I list bad, bad, bad, not a good riff.
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You got minus one, minus two, like back to back that, um, he is the guy who we've talked
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about in the past who calls himself Muad'Dib.
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Oh, he's this guy.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Oh, we talked about him a couple episodes back and we got into a goddamn dune dune confrontation.
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This is that guy, Oh man, this, this goes down a sand worm hole.
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I will tell you that right now.
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It does.
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So that's the first reason that I kept this in.
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The second reason is this next clip.
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So everybody go get seven, seven ripple effect on the web.
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They're trying to take it down on a lot of sites.
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They're very upset by this because it proves exactly what they did and that's why they
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want to shut the web down.
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Well, and not only that, but you know, for people that don't know much about him, this
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is the same man who spent the last 10 years trying to raise the arc of the covenant in
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Ireland and knows the exact location of the entrance to the subterranean mergay that uh,
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down to a six foot by six foot square of grass and they're not about to let him dig it because
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they know that it's there and they know that he would be the one to bring it up.
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Well, the British Lords do, and then the queen and all them do claim that they have that.
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I don't know if that's true, but I know he's also done a lot of research on that.
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Very, very interesting.
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Well, we want to get him on.
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Good save Alex, good, good fast talking there to cover up that he just said, uh, well the
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real reason they want to keep him in prison and uh, keep him down is cause he knows where
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the fucking arc of the covenant is on a six by six basis and he also knows where the subterranean
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entrance to the mergate, the mergate, I don't know what that means.
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I am going to say this right now.
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Yeah.
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That was the best job Alex has ever done of pivoting ever pivoting ever.
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That was incredible.
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That sounds interesting.
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I know the queen and the engaged with that.
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None at all.
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And I barely noticed, I barely noticed like if we hadn't been watching this show for a
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long, if we hadn't been listening to the queen, if we hadn't been listening to this for the
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whole time, I would have been like, Oh yeah, no, the queen probably knows where the mergate
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is and never realized that he just pivoted away with no engagement whatsoever.
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That guy just said arc of the covenant and Alex Jones at no point went, Oh, well, that's
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the project Camelot equivalent of Steve from Chicago.
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So yeah, it's a black power graph and Alex is like, uh, but he's, but that's what I'm
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saying.
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He did not panic at all.
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He does, he does because he doesn't cut it off immediately.
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He panics for a second.
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That's true.
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He regroups.
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It's much like Jack in the first episode of loss that you watched where it's like a cap
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to three and I let myself absorb all the fear.
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And then I get to business.
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That's what Alex does.
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It's like, it's like how Paul Atreides, uh, okay, if you're going to make a reference,
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I get to make a reference.
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Fine.
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We're at loggerheads.
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Um, so we, uh, or now at the point, I mean, I feel, I feel like we, we, we sorted that
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out.
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Everything is fine.
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I think we got that one down.
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Uh, nothing is wrong in Denmark here.
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Um, so now we move on.
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We, I mean, I just love that.
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Like, okay, so the, the last guest that, well, I mean, if you don't count Bob Chapman, cause
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he's a regular, the last guest that we had was that, uh, Joel Bonick.
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That was a fucking disaster road to go down was crazy.
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This dude is fantastic rollercoaster.
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So then we have the friend of Muad'Dib who's on, who's like, no, I need to point out that
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he knows where the Ark of the Covenant is.
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That is an important thing to point out.
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All right.
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We got a lot of crazies here.
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Frankly, I'm mad that that wasn't what he led with.
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And so now we get to the last guest, which is where we will end this episode.
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Uh, a couple of clips from this guy.
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He is Leo Berman, the guy from the Texas legislature that Alex teased at the top of the show.
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Not to be confused with wonderful person and friend of the show, Leah Berman.
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Fantastic.
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She's great.
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She's fantastic.
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She's a good comic.
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Absolutely.
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Chicago.
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Love her.
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Great.
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She's not one of the Steve's from Chicago.
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It's not to be our shorthand for, she's definitely not a Steve from Chicago.
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No.
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So here's Leo Berman from Texas in the last, uh, 36, 40 hours or so, Minnesota, Texas,
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and some other States have introduced declaratory statements or reaffirming their 10th amendment
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rights.
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The states are on the verge of passing or have passed 10th amendment bill saying no
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gun confiscation, no martial law.
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We had a state representative on his introduced one in Montana that's already done two readings
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as a good chance of passing right now in their session.
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Uh, but folks want a statement in Texas about sovereignty and uh, that is indeed happened
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and during this week it got written up our representative, uh, Leo, uh, Berman, representative
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six legislative district, uh, Smith County right here in the great state of Texas.
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And you can go up to info wars.com and the sites and read HCR 50, but to go over that
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where this is the man that pinned the bill and has now introduced it.
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Representative Leo Berman.
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Sir, thank you for coming on with us.
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Alex.
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It's a pleasure to be with you.
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And actually next week I'm going to file another resolution and uh, that resolution will do
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the same thing.
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However, it's going to cover both the ninth and the 10th amendments to the U S constitution
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now.
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Great.
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I mean, they're already in the constitution.
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No.
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It's going to cover them though.
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They're already in it.
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You don't need to know that it's going to cover.
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You don't need to do this.
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He's going to write a resolution that covers them.
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You don't need to do that.
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It's already in the constitution.
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But he's going to cover them.
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You don't need to do that.
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It's absurd.
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No, he's going to get it like, okay, so you think you know the ninth and 10th revolution.
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Oh, interesting.
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You think you know the ninth and 10th amendments?
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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But has anybody ever covered them for you? Has anybody ever written into law those amendments?
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Has anyone done an acid jazz cover of the Ninth Amendment?
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Has anybody ever really sat down and wrote down what those Ninth and Tenth Amendments mean?
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Well, they did that once when they wrote them, and then it passed all the legislatures.
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No, I don't understand.
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All the governors.
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No, but they were short. How long was it?
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Wait, this-
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Those amendments, they weren't that long.
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This HCR 50? Not very long either.
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How long was it?
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Not very long. I could read the whole thing if you want, but it's pointless.
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Okay, could you first read the Ninth and Tenth Amendments?
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No, I can't.
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And then compare it with the length of these?
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Nor shall I. Actually, this is probably longer, but it's also-
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See, there you go. That's why we gotta do it. We gotta do it. We gotta clarify the language, Dan.
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Stop it. The reason it's longer, at least this HCR 50 in Texas, this is really funny.
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I looked into this, and so a lot of those other ones that we talked about, these House resolutions, House concurrent resolutions,
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they died in committee or they never got brought for a vote, that sort of thing.
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This one did pass.
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Because it's Texas.
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Well.
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Well.
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It passed because it was required to have a bunch of rewrites and amendments.
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Okay.
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They kept asking, like, nah, rewrite that shit.
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Yeah.
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And so what it ended up doing is this.
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It's just rewriting the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.
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Basically.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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They just wrote the same shit down.
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No, they don't even rewrite it.
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They just talk about, like, so, you know, hey, we like being a part of the United States, that sort of thing.
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Resolved, the House of Representatives, the Senate concurring that the 81st legislature of the state of Texas reaffirms the pride of all Texans in both our one and indivisible national union and in our one and indivisible state-
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Declared sovereignty.
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A college of both and be further resolved that the chief clerk of the House of Representatives is directed to send a copy of this resolution to the president of the United States of America, the vice president of the United States of America, the speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States of America, and to the governor of each sister state as an expression of the affection of the people of Texas for our one national and indivisible union.
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You know what?
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They ended up having to-
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You know what?
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I heard that and all I heard was Texas secedes from the union and declares its sovereignty against the United States.
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No, my buddy.
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It's the opposite.
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Oh, it's the opposite.
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Because of the amendments that they- and rewrites the legislature kept being like, no, no, we're not going to vote yes for this until you rewrite it to say that all this is is a declaration of love for the one national and indivisible union.
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It's an ironic declaration of love, Dan.
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That was secession.
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It's the opposite.
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I've never heard a state secede more.
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It's the opposite of secession.
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It is them saying that we are sending this as a proclamation that we love being part of the United States.
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Now, at the same time, the beginning of-
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We declare our sovereignty, but at the same time, guys, we love all of you.
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I want the attorney general from all of these states to get a note.
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I want the president.
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You got to know.
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Guys, we love you.
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Also, RSVP, we're having a party.
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Texas, all the time.
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The beginning of this House concurrent resolution is them saying that the 10th amendment applies and, hey, so does the Constitution.
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The federal government is cool with that because it's a big part of the Constitution.
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It's kind of our thing.
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So that is so comical to me, the idea that we know what happens in the future and this bill gets cucked down to being like, we love the federal government, which is really awesome.
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But unfortunately, Leo Berman keeps talking.
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He says something.
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One word that's really weird in this next clip.
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I want to see- mic down.
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I want to see if you can guess what one word stuck out to me in this clip.
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God, if it's the N word, we're going to quit.
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It's not.
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But if you're going to mandate anything on the state of Texas, if it's not fully contained in the U.S. Constitution, we're not going to do it.
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And the reason we're doing this, we're taking action, is because of the- we understand there's going to be a federal handgun registration.
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We don't want him to know where all of our guns are here in Texas.
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What's the word?
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So I'm going to go with him.
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Oh, man, it was that obvious.
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I'm going to go with him.
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I'm going to go with him.
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Weird, Leo.
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Him!
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Hey, Leo.
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Him!
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Hey, Leo.
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Did you not want the government to know, or did you not want him?
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Hey, Leo, you're showing.
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Whatever it is, you're showing it.
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You know, that's crazy.
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Leo, do you have six nipples and four of them are on your fucking face?
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You are obvious.
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This is bananas.
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Man, that's a mess.
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Him.
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Him!
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Yep.
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We don't want him!
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So that made me say-
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So he would have said that, obviously, during the-
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Any other-
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Any other presidency.
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Any other presidency.
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Any other presidency.
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Undoubtedly.
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Of course.
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What kind of crazy person would imagine otherwise?
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So that made me be like, I want to find out about Leo Berman.
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What's up with him?
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I bet this goes down a very short rabbit hole of a man who loves his family, has never committed any gross frauds of any kind.
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I regret to inform you that he has died.
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I don't regret that.
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Yeah, I know, I don't really either.
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I'm fine with that.
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In 2011, Berman was named the worst politician by Texas Monthly after he appeared on CNN and combatively argued that Obama wasn't qualified to be president.
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Leo Berman is a birther.
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When the White House produced his birth certificate, Leo Berman responded, quote,
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It will take someone like Donald Trump to really determine whether the president has pulled the greatest swindle, the greatest hoax in the history of the United States.
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What year was that?
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2011.
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Because that was when Trump was on his birther shit.
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He was sort of leading the charge along with Joe Arpaio.
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No, I know.
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I know that.
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All the big monsters of our time.
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I know that.
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I just don't understand the idea that a human being would say, it would take someone like Donald Trump.
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And yet at the same time, that's a very apt statement really to make.
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Because it would take someone like Donald Trump to have zero, zero morality or just deference to truth or anything like that.
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Just, it would take a pure psychopath.
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It would take the fucking Unabomber.
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No, not even that, because the Unabomber believed in reality.
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Right.
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It would take a fucking serial killer to have zero human empathy or actions whatsoever in order to reveal this fucking scam.
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It would take Leo Berman, you lying garbage pile of fucking shit.
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It would take you pulling this bullshit on national television for everybody in Texas Monthly to be like, oh, finally.
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The worst politician.
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A Texan who sucks.
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Yeah.
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It's kind of the bad version.
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Like, what he projects onto Donald Trump is kind of the bad version of that, like, are you a bad enough dude to save the president?
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Yeah, a little bit.
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It's like, are you bad enough to...
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To lie about everything?
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Yeah.
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So that same year, he sponsored a rally encouraging Texas to secede from the United States.
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Of course.
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In 2011.
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I like it.
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2011 was a big year for Leo Berman.
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He also made headlines by claiming, quote, the judges in Dearborn, Michigan, are using and allowing to be used Sharia law.
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Also in England, in France and in Germany, the use of Sharia law is being allowed as well.
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This claim was made almost certainly because Leo had read this on a right wing propaganda blog or where the story originated on an anti-Muslim blog called Creeping Sharia.
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The blog put up an article about how four Christian missionaries were arrested at the annual Arab International Festival, one of whom was, quote, peacefully discussing his Christian faith with Muslim youths.
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So innocuous.
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So strange.
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So innocent.
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So strange.
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What Creeping Sharia and Leo Berman failed to point out is that, quote, the Christians were charged with disorderly conduct after police said they received a complaint from a Christian volunteer working at the festival who said he was harassed by the group.
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It wasn't even the Muslims or the Arabs there who complained about him.
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It was a Christian.
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Of course.
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His propaganda narrative got weaved into a thing where Leo Berman is coming around saying that Sharia law is coming to America.
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So we have one more clip here to listen to, and it's just Leo Berman being a pile of shit.
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And also there's another bill, a federal hate crimes bill.
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If you open up your Old Testament to the Bible and read in the book of Exodus that homosexuality is an abomination, you could be charged with a crime under that bill and that's exactly what's happening in Canada right now.
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So we're just saying if it's not in the Constitution, don't tell us about it.
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Don't ask us to do it.
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Is the Bible in the Constitution?
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No.
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No, but, like, was the Bible in the Constitution?
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I just think, like, when you're talking about government overreach and stuff like that, like, one of your first go-tos is hate crime protections.
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And, like, your example is like, hey, look, this old ass book says that gays are an abomination.
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Is that a hate crime?
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I would say depends.
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Would you say depends?
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Yes.
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I wouldn't even say depends.
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No, I would say depends.
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I'd say, yeah, probably a hate crime.
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If you're privately enjoying that, I don't give a shit.
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Enjoy your life.
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Oh, oh, okay.
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It's when you're yelling it at other people that it becomes an issue.
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You know, when you bring out that, it is Leviticus, I believe.
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Yeah, it is Leviticus.
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No, you're right.
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That's where all the laws are.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Leviticus was hardcore law.
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When you bring out to lay with another man is an abomination, when you bring that out and scream it at someone who is a homosexual or a part of the LGBT community, then you are harassing them and being a dick.
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Yeah.
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If you just sit around and privately believe it, I wish you wouldn't, but what are you going to do?
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Yeah.
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That's your right to believe whatever you want.
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So I would suggest I've never read any hate crime legislation that doesn't involve you doing something to someone else, so this falls on deaf ears for me.
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This idea of like, oh, it's going to be a hate crime to read the Bible.
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Go fuck yourself.
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That's such a hollow fear.
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Yeah.
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I'm vamping because you're looking at a text.
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No, I'm not looking at a text.
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And I ran out of steam on my...
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No, you did not run out of steam.
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I did a little bit.
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You fucking nailed it.
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That is exactly what is fucking going on.
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I don't...
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Okay.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Well...
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What are we doing?
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Well, it's because...
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What is this guy...
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What is this guy thinking is how it's going...
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How is this supposed to work for him?
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So if you think...
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If you...
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How can you both believe that the Constitution is absolute and yet at the same time think
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that a non-existent verse of the Bible in Exodus can justify you committing hate crimes
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as being an overreach under the Constitution?
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This doesn't make any sense.
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Well, none of this makes sense.
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Not even unreasonable sense.
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This makes no sense.
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This is completely separated, unrelated concepts from all directions somehow being combined.
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Like, I don't understand...
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He wants to yell at gay people.
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Here's why it washes over me.
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It washes over me because this doesn't make any fucking sense.
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You think you need to engage when in the reality is when you hear something like that, the
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only thing that person is saying is, I want to yell at gay people.
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I know.
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And I think I can't anymore.
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But why are you pretending to make it?
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I don't understand.
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I mean, well, I do understand is because on some level they realize that other human beings
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are like, you can't do that anymore.
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So they have to say, well, I want to do it, but since you aren't going to let me do it,
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I have to create some sort of fantastical reasoning that might convince you as to why
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I should be able to do it.
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Well, even sociopaths have feelings about themselves.
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Even if they can't understand other people's emotions and feelings and stuff like that,
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they still care about themselves not being able to do certain things.
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And so when hate crime legislation is passed, they don't feel it in the sense of understanding
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what someone might experience from their actions.
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Yeah.
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But they, I don't know.
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I don't know how to...
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There was a road I was going down.
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I don't understand where I am going to end.
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So because they can't experience any kind of empathy for other human beings, all they
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can experience is an attack on themselves.
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Yes.
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A deprivation for themselves.
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Right.
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Because I used to be able to do that.
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Right.
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And nobody would stop me.
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So you're taking something away from me, even though you're not, and I shouldn't have been
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doing it in the first place, and I can totally live a life that's fine without it.
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Yep.
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Do any of these people know that their lives would be unchanged if they weren't racist?
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It wouldn't even bother them.
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How many people who are like, oh, the worst thing that you can call a white person is
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racist, and that's in a slur against us, how many of them just realize like, no, you could
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just be fine.
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Like, your day wouldn't be bothered.
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I know.
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Maybe if you just don't say racist things, nobody would bother you with it.
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I think that in this modern era, so much of what the advice people need is let go.
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But it's not that easy.
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But that is the answer.
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Like, you're saying these...
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Go to bed.
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No, because that wouldn't help.
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No, I don't.
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Like, you're saying that these people who are like racists, if they just realized if
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they stopped being racist, everything would be the same.
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Yeah.
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What that really is is letting go of something they don't know they're holding onto.
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And that's the same for a lot of people with unresolved issues from the past.
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And I'm not saying it's as simple as just saying like, well, I don't care anymore.
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Or anything like that.
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But there's a process you can go through that involves letting go.
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Just shaking off the burdens of whatever is stuff that you don't need anymore.
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Erasing old software that's in your operating system that you don't know why it did.
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But it did.
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And you don't need it to run your computer.
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Racism is one of them big time.
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Misogyny is one of them big time.
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Those are homophobia, those are systems that haven't been updated because they're antiquated.
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And they're glitching.
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They're glitching in people's computers and they insist on holding onto them.
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See, I kind of actually am going to go back to an argument that Alex made.
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My metaphor went way too far.
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No, no, no.
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I actually think it was very apt and I think you did a great job.
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Thank you.
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I'm going to go back to actually, weirdly enough, something Alex said in order to explain
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why it is not something that they can just let go of.
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What Alex said whenever he was talking about, to bring it back, the so-called changes in
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pigment, that kind of stuff.
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He was saying that people in power are using it to divide us.
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Which is frustrating because that is true.
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It's frustrating that Alex can say that and it is a true thing that's doing.
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And yet he's the person who's doing it correctly, correctly, correctly pointing out that it's
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being done.
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You know, like part of the reason that in...
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He's the cause of all the problems he complains about correctly.
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Exactly.
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Like we're in post-Reconstruction era South.
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You know, you don't want poor white people and black people to get together because then
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they're going to realize together, oh, it's not the poor.
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It's the system.
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It's the rich.
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So the poor white people can hang on to the fact that, hey, no matter how poor we are,
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no matter how much we starve, at least we're not black people.
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Right.
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So that's to me what all this racism that people can't let go of is.
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It's like, look, I'm actually living a shitty life and the only thing that brings me a kind
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of sense of security is that at least I'm not gay.
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Right.
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You know?
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I agree that that might be sort of a psychological crutch, but at the same time, that doesn't
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really in any substantive way help your life.
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Like if you are using that to like sort of bolster your own sense of self, if you let
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it go, the reality of your life, whatever your paycheck is, whatever your living situation
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is, doesn't actually change.
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Right.
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Maybe you have to find new friends because you can't hang out with those racist bigots
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that you hung out with.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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That's only going to be an upgrade in your life.
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It's going to be a tough adjustment period when you have no friends and have to go, you
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know, meet new people.
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But other than that, nah, I don't buy this shit.
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Yeah.
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Everyone just needs, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know either.
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Anyway, all this sucks.
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It doesn't really, though.
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I mean, 2009 is still more fun.
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No, 2009 is more fun and yet at the same time so illustrative.
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Shout out to Joel Bonick for providing me with a nice story about meth houses.
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Shout out to Alex Jones for allowing Bob Chapman to precipitate two visits from Ted Anderson
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on one episode.
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Satin records.
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I got no more shout outs except that we have a website, knowledgefight.com, also a phone
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number, 530.
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Wait, American?
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American number one.
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American number one.
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Five through zero, neon nips.
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Five through zero, neon nips.
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And I'm serious.
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It's active now.
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As soon as you hear this, if you are listening and you want to leave us a message, you can
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do it anytime.
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Anytime.
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Anytime you have some weird thought, save it in your phone.
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Save it in your phone as a number.
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Like, if you're out drunk and you want to just leave us a drunk message, go for it.
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This is revolutionary.
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The opinions Dan expresses are not necessarily the opinions express.
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No, no.
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We're also on Twitter.
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No, this sounds fun.
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Yeah, it sounds great.
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At knowledge underscore fight.
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Yeah, we're on Facebook.
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You can go to our Facebook group, go home and tell your mother your brilliance.
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Yep.
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We're on iTunes.
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Apparently, Dan is going to be working to get us on Stitcher and shit right now.
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I don't know.
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Stitcher wasn't as easy as I thought and Spotify is not going to work.
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No, Spotify is bullshit.
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They keep everybody out.
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Except for Alex.
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No, Spotify we could get on, but they gave me a real serious warning message that, like,
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if you have any copyrighted material, we will throw you right off.
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Oh, okay.
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So then, yeah, Spotify is not going to work.
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I understand that the Alex clips we use are under fair use.
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Technically public domain.
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To an extent.
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Yeah.
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But then also he plays a lot of music that he has contracts to play, but I know from
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posting things to YouTube, like, we posted that clip where he sung along with the highwaymen.
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Yeah.
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And I got a message on YouTube that if we monetize that video, all the money goes to,
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like, RCA or whatever, because we played the highwaymen clip in that.
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So we can't play any.
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I don't think Spotify will ever accept our show because it's not, like, clear.
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Because there's too many highwaymen clips.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So I think we're in trouble there.
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That's an interesting reason to be.
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Stitcher may be in time, but I have to figure out how to hook it all up.
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But anyway, who cares?
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Anyways, the long and the short of it.
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It's your turn.
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It goes down to us all agreeing.
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It's not your turn.
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It's my turn.
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Is it your turn?
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I think so.
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I think it is your turn.
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Yeah, I know.
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I just always say it's your turn.
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Yeah, I know.
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It's my new bit.
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You don't like it.
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No, I don't really mind.
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It's a challenge for me because I sit with these episodes for much longer than you.
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I would say, boy.
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Because I know I have a top one.
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Okay.
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I'd like to hear it, and then I'm going to flip a coin.
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All right.
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No.
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It's Muad'Dib.
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Muad'Dib.
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But go ahead.
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How dare you say Muad'Dib?
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Muad'Dib is the savior of the Fremen, okay?
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They have been oppressed by the Harkonnen rule as well as the imperialists for such
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a long time.
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You know what?
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This is a very important story that you need to hear about right now.
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So the Fremen, only because their land, it's a whole morality tale.
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It's basically an allegory for the way that the imperialists treat, like the colonialists
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treated the Native Americans in the same fucking way.
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Anyways, my biggest issue is that Leo Burman can go fuck himself.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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