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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight

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I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed

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We are Dan. Although it's not so much novelty beverages at this point. It seems like Lagunitas is in strong rotation. You know

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I'm running out. When we go to the liquor store

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I've pretty much picked out just about every novelty beer and drink that I can find there

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We've been doing the show. Well, you've gone through all the novelty IPAs for sure. You definitely veer that direction

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Well, you know you get a novelty wheat beer and you're in for some hurt. It could be some weird fruit

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Yeah, yeah, and then you're gonna mess with coriander. It's gonna fuck you up. Nobody has time for that. Yeah. Yeah

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Yeah, I I highly recommend avoiding novelty wheat beers. Yes, just my advice end up with some you fuck around and get a white rascal

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Oh, no, no chance. Uh-uh

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Uh-uh. Oh, so that was a great opening bit. I suppose

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Anyway, this show is where I know a lot about Alex Jones

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I don't only know what you tell me about Alex and it's not only about Alex Jones

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It's about all sorts of other things very difficult to explain show if you're jumping in here. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

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Sorry, it's evolved into all con men everywhere. We will find you and you know talk about you

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Yeah for a while. Yeah, so today Jordan we're gonna be doing a time-traveling episode of sorts

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Hey last episode we gave a shout out to a listener Jonathan who?

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Got in touch with me and he had a very good request an interesting request

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I'm very mad at him for giving me this request because it took me down more rabbit holes than I needed to go down

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Okay, I complained to the about this already. You've been bitching at me about this for a while now

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Just so now it's time to blame him. It's not his fault

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I appreciate it on the other level because I got to learn a number of things

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That are a lot of fun and get introduced to some folks that I wouldn't have otherwise

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But I wanted to say that I'm putting together a book to keep track of everything much more

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Completely much more like a to-do list. Yes sort of thing trying to organize my life and my business, right?

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And so I wanted to take a second to recognize that this is a time travel episode

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But there are others that are coming some of them are coming because I and they haven't been done because I keep forgetting and that's my

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Bad. All right, I'm working on it. We will make everything this is our new opening bit you

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Apologizing for all the stuff that you haven't done. Well, there's a little bit of that

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We've been doing that quite frequently recently, but then there's this there's another element to it and there's a one

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Time travel episode that I've been putting off a little bit and not not for not wanting to do it

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But I've realized that I can't do it and that I'll explain it. No need to dance beat around the bush about why?

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So listener Jim who came and visited we had some dry. Yeah. Yeah, it was a delightful time

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He requested I believe you requested his birthday

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And then it turned out being the episode that I found from his birthday was when Benjamin Netanyahu came to the United States

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Oh, that's right

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And it's complicated because Alex is in a state where he's like pro-israel

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But also pro-sovereignty he's into he's in a weird bubble state and it's difficult to sort of get into

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but I realized why I've been putting that off is because when we're in

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2009 and we are looking at him be very pro-palestinian and fairly anti the state of Israel. I

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Don't think jumping forward to that point when he's going to say pro-israel things is

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Necessarily all that interesting for our path through this

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I'd like to get to that episode where Netanyahu comes to America eventually organically

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well, not necessarily organically, but I think that it does all of us much more in terms of

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understanding and learning

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to watch him pivot towards being pro-israel and

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Palestinian right because we know that's the end result eventually

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Yeah, of course

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So I think it's it's difficult for me to get myself to do that episode

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Because I want to watch him change as opposed to see him post change and then go back and watch him change

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Yes, if that makes you're saying like from a structure of our show standpoint, it feels weird

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Yeah, so this is my way of saying an apology to Jim, but that time travel episode might be two years from now

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It might not be but also anyways if you'd like to speed it up you can bump your donation

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Oh, yeah, that's not what I'm saying

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If you if he has another suggestion, you should feel free to tell me it's not because I'm dodging talking about Israel or any of that

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Shit, right. It's just from a narrative storytelling structure. I think it blows our

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2009 shit. Yeah a little bit. Yeah. So and also if you have one that you think I've forgotten about which is entirely

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It's might be possible. Yeah, or if you haven't donated on that level and you want to try and trick me

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You're also very welcome

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To send me an email and I will start putting together my to-do list and get everything in order. It will be yeah

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I'll be

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rocking and rolling

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as they said back in the old 50s or

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Something you sure is that what they is that what they said in the old 50s? Oh 50 the old 50s

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So Jordan today, we have a time travel episode. That is not an Alex Jones based time travel episode

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okay, this is an instance where Jonathan actually got in touch with me and was one of the

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inspirations and sort of motivations for me to

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Bring Jim Baker into our fold. Okay, as it were he sent me a message about how

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He was right in line with the con man stuff and I was like, of course he is

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I've been meaning to get a look at him. Let's do it

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Yeah, I very much appreciate it and he had an instance of the Jim Baker show the day before he went to jail

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No, I don't think those archives are up. Oh, okay. This is from May. I believe it's 7th through 10th

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No 8th through 10th. I'm not sure. Okay, whatever those few days in 2015. Oh, that's my birthday. Hey, have a birthday

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It's three days, but you know what Jim Baker does is he just records it all and then puts it out in chunks

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I did not know that. Yeah, why would I know that? I just assumed that you would think that

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What I?

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Why would you know that?

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So that's a crazy thing to know he and Laurie sit down on Grace Street with their guest and they probably record something to the

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Tune of like four hours of them talking shit. Uh-huh, and then he cuts it up and well, he doesn't his his children

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Chunks and he releases it throughout the week as if it was multiple different like one hour segments. Yeah like that. Okay, okay

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Which I got you smart it maximizes. Absolutely. We should fucking do now

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That's how they that's how they film like a family feud and shit. You bang out like eight episodes in a day

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You got the whole week

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Meanwhile idiots like us sit down for three hours and then put that out and then put out another two hour

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Yeah, you know it's called time-consuming and maximizing effort while minimizing profit. Isn't that how that works? Very dumb

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We're not good. We need a production crew or a bunch or a bunch of teens

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But it means we're got there first. So Jordan here is an out-of-context drop from today's show

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Netflix

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Is a fulfillment of prophecy from me me, too

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You know there was there was no when he said Netflix and paused like there's no evil people

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There's no good way that this ends. It's gonna be the devil. It's gonna be awful

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It's going to be sucking the life out of our children. I did not see it coming as his own prophecy

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It is a fulfillment of

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His problem I prophecy his prophecy specifically. Yep. How come he wasn't on the ground floor then? Huh? He was in prison

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That timeline doesn't match up now because he's not wanted. That's why no one wants him dead or alive

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Man steel horse that guy rides

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That's a train

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so

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Jordan you're gonna get into this. There's gonna be a lot of science. Wait, the steel horse is a train

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Yeah, I always thought it was a motorcycle. It could be you're right. I always now motorcycles aren't made of steel

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I know that's stupid. I always are trains made of steel. Mmm. What are trains made of? Yeah, they're made of steel

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I read a in Rand. All right, so no further roads for real. What is gold bullion?

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Anyways continue. Uh, it's a soup

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Stock stock. Okay good

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Oh, it's like a rich people's not like they put gold flakes on top of your dough. Absolutely. I got it

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So today we're going over this and we're gonna sort of treat it as one episode

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It doesn't really matter where the brakes are from the days or anything essentially one episode

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Yeah, so we just don't have to listen to the intro three times, but we will listen to it once

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This is a Christmas special it's hard not to feel happy when that music hits

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It's saccharine diabetes inducing bullshit because it slides in with that

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So fucking close to dancing queens, it's so close to dancing queens, it's a height

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It's a junior high musical soundtrack. It's sickeningly close. Yeah dancing queen. Yeah

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She's a praying queen

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She does seven stuff. There are seals in the Bible gonna die today

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Show coming to you from the village of morning side, which kid is settled in the beautiful Ozark Mountains today

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Jim special guest Tom Horne

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and Chris Putnam

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I'm Kevin Shoria the Morningside band and singers and now direct from Grace Street at Morningside

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Here are your hosts, Jim and Laurie Baker

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Oh no

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Oh no

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No, cuz it's the lead singer of the band

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Sir have some restraint act like you've been there before sir, isn't it great how it's never the same

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Introducer, it's the kids or the guy who's leading the band

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What are they off? Do they have it? Do they have weekends?

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I can't speak today, but I do know that the table is a little crowded

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There are people who I don't know who they are sitting at the that's not entirely true because I do now know

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The de facto co-host who's not Laurie. Yeah, this guy named Zach who he's around a lot

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I was that's not it's not Alex's secret source. All right. Uh-huh. When was the last time he was on the show though?

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Was he in a different?

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I don't know. It should have done that for like 25 minutes

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It's entirely possible that Zach's been hiding out in morning view. That would be the perfect place to very safe

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No one would see you coming everyone's armed. Yeah, everyone's fucking are all the teen employees have guns and haven't masturbated

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Nope, so here's how the show starts. They have jerked off their guns quite a bit though. Undoubtedly. Oh, yeah

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Our should I say to serve

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Is that right? That's right. We are sitting right now in the middle of the large head-drawn collider

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This is the last funny machine man ever built. That's right, and it's amazing

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The scientists are looking for God. No, whatever happened to church

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That's right. That's right. It was disproved. Hmm. So this show is gonna have a lot to do with CERN

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That's good. I like CERN. There's a lot of interesting research going on

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I'm banking and I will say that a lot of the research that I did has nothing to do with CERN

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Because I was banking on you knowing a bit about it. I know quite a bit about so enough

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I know enough to know number one not looking for God. I look I like the large head-drawn collider immensely

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It's what about some of their other colliders that no one seems to be scared of. There's a there's the one under

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Tons of them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, but it's not that big. There's so much other technological research that they've done

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like the organization's existed since

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1952 like it's not like this. Yeah, you're nodding really dismissively at me. All right. Well, hold on

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Up until this point we weren't able to generate

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We weren't able to fire protons and the like with enough speed to actually

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Measure the effects measure the particles that could be created there, right? So that is why we built up that

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That's why people built up that fake, you know

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Like what if it creates a black hole as if that was a thing like it's fascinating. It's really fascinating

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I would look into it. There's also another one not necessarily the same thing as the the collider, but it's also being built in

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Fuck fuck fuck. Why can't I remember any of this shit? Anyways, all kinds of cool shit happens there actually not just research into the

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Higgs boson which was kind of and not kind of discovered. It was a really fascinating thing 2013

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Yeah, two years before this episode by exactly exactly

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but the fascinating thing about that is that they wasn't confirmed that

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The Higgs boson was what we thought it would be firm in the standard model. It was kind of it's a very fascinating thing

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They thought it was gonna come in at a certain wavelength in one way

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That would disprove it that would disprove the standard model or another way that would perfectly prove it

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And instead it kind of came in the middle and everybody's like fuck. Well, it's whackadoo shit

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Well, you're just I mean you sound like a recording of these guys. Okay, they're gonna get all into that

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Okay, I'm gonna talk about crazy nonsense. Awesome. I'm excited. I really want to dig into the science here

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All right

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Well, you should know because the question really becomes when do we get into string theory and how far away that's not the question

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Oh, it's not. No, the question is what are those fucking scientists up to?

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This is a very very important book on the path of the immortals

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Now that sounds intriguing right there. Also doesn't also sounds like a Jedi mind tricks album title or something like that

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But I think we're on the same path that they are what is that lighter they they want to make contact with the immortals

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We're kind of warning that the earth is going to make contact with them and it's not going to be pretty

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What Wow Wow, what we've got some

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Amazing Wow stories today amazing news as well. We had amazing stories

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Amazing news Jimmy. There we go. I mean what more could you ask for?

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So there's the scientists are looking for the immortals

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That's the name of the book

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But what they're actually doing

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You see is that they're trying to create some sort of a connection where they can communicate with or open up a portal to another

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Dimension that's what he's saying. That's what he's saying. Yes. Well first off based on his voice alone

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This is Tom Horne here Tom Horne. Yeah, he sounds bananas. How does a human being make those sounds out of his mouth?

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Listen to his voice again. It is

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Disgusting it grates and it all it's gross. Well, that's really fucking

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Shitty of you, you know, it's petty some would say that your voice is grading. I think it absolutely is

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I think it absolutely is it's annoying and I accept that and I I allow it. I think my voice has a

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Droning baritone now your voice is spectacular and I could listen to it for days

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So I think you're being a little bit petty about I know it's not a physical characteristic

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But you know, it does come from the jowls probably

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He probably has some jowls doesn't he Dan look no matter what you say about his voice or anything like that

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You can't argue that he has a grasp on the science. Listen to this

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Some scientists are afraid of what they're doing. Is that right? Well, certainly

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I mean we you know as these programs are playing on television

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This thing will be revving up to the most powerful experiments ever conducted on

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On the face of the earth. They are literally going to accelerate hundreds of millions of protons

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Inside of the tubes that you can see there behind us to just beneath the speed of light

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Then they're going to compress them down to a human hairs with what and they're going to collide as many as 600 million

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particles per second

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This has never happened on earth before unless maybe it was when God spoke and brought all these particles together the first time around

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What?

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Human hairs with man, they're gonna compress protons down to a human hairs with how many protons does he think goes into a human hairs?

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width

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Man, well probably like one sixth of a proton or something like that one six six hairs equals one pro

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All right, so six hairs equals wait, no six protons equal one hair. No, you got to press the proton down to a hair's length

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Okay, hair's width

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This is crazy

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So is that the go is that like the the EU standard of measurement because you know, we use it here

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It's imperial measurement. Okay. Okay. Good. I want to make sure a hair's width is actually just down home

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European slang for six proton

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The size of a quark

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Hmm. So is he talking about the up quarks or the down quarks?

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I'm not sure. I don't think he knows the difference. All right, I look I

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Don't I I'm not I'm not gonna trust somebody

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Who like uses that as like a that like a measurement that they're gonna compress

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Mass protons that have been collided down to hundreds of millions of protons. Sure in a hair's width

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Absolutely, that's like almost two

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Thousand angels dancing on a pin. He's still treating it as one at a time

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He's still treating it as one particle at a time one particle. Boom. Boom. It's hundreds of millions of times

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All right. I don't know man. Look the issue is that they got a grasp on the science. Don't fucking worry about it

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These are scholars. Okay that are talking to Jim Baker about it. But Jim is coming at it from a really different perspective

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He doesn't really know that much but how can we ignore? I mean we have it on the stage right here, Zach

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Here's the pictures in your face

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You'll get the machine that man has built to try to find out who is God

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Where is God is God alive that was built? They wanted to find the God particle, right?

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Very different thing. He thinks it's literal. Yeah, you guys you guys called it the God particle. He

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Jim Baker thinks it's literally like particle. They're looking to find God. What is God? Who is God?

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Those are not questions that scientists are all that concerned with. I don't believe not really that not really their bag. I

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Would you do the audience a solid and explain the importance of the Higgs boson?

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Well, the idea is we don't know why gravity well, they're the earth matter. Yeah

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I don't know why matter we don't is it is gravity a particle. Is it a

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Characteristic, is there something that?

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endows

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Things with matter with gravity with with all of this stuff. We don't actually know why it happens, right?

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And every time we look into it, it only gets more obfuscating and every time you do more experiments

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they almost seem to contradict each other half the time and then you got the standard model which predicts what we think we're going to

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find and that for the most part makes perfect sense right up until you get to things like dark matter and

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Space and and things that we just can't measure. We have no idea how to measure

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so what they're really looking for is some sort of confirmation of the standard model or

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some

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Other model or something that points to the standard model being wrong and then we start getting into wild shit like string theory

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Oh, let me start getting into crazy stuff. All I'm hearing here is they're trying to figure out if God is angry or not

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That's that's what I hear. Are they making God angry probably well, that's certainly the argument

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That's going to be put forth here on this gym because if you start learning how to get gravity going and you then maybe we can

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create

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Gravity and if we can create gravity, what do we even need God for? Well, see now you're starting to sound like Jim Baker's

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paranoid fantasy fears

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Which is never the best thing in the world

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Never great. Yeah, although I think it's probably very consistent that you would embody that which Jim Baker would be afraid of

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I think that's probably that does sound like that does sound like me man

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But speaking of things that they're afraid of there's one aspect of CERN that they cannot stop talking about Sweden

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It's not

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The the Shiva deity that they've got, you know right outside the main offices there

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I'm loving it. That's what it does. It does the cosmic dance that that discombubilates the world

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Discombubulates look at Shiva. Is that that name? That's right

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And what Tom just said I want to reiterate that point but we write outside

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stuff

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Not me off my chair guys

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But what your needs against me? This is the scientist. Okay, why would right?

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scientists who don't believe

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Many times in religion. Why would they have a God put the God back on the screen Mondo?

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There's the God

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Shiva

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Outside the doors of this machine

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Why would he be there Tom?

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Well government of India actually gave that as a gift to CERN because they already were working with CERN

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But what's inscribed on the plaque beneath it is equally important for Christ. It is called Oh

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Omni present

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This is the replacement of Jehovah. There's the picture, but there's no there is no other guy. That's well, they think there is

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Well those idiots look get ahold of those guys. She's got a bunch of arms

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No way, they keep coming back to that over and over again sort of like this is a false God

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Yeah, like all right all right guys sure so it was a gift from the the government of India the state of India because

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They were an associate country with working on CERN. I just want to I want to write just read this

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writing writing about the statue

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Eldon Randall Conde a postdoc student working at CERN wrote quote in the light of day when CERN is teeming with life Shiva seems playful

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Reminding us that the universe is constantly shaking things up making itself

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And is never remaking itself and is never static

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but by night when we have more time to contemplate the deeper questions Shiva literally casts a long shadow over our work a bit like

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The shadows on Plato's cave Shiva reminds me that when we still don't know the answer to one of biggest the biggest questions presented

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By the universe and that every time we collide the beams we must take the cosmic balance sheet into account

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So I'm gonna say real quick nerd

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And number two look at what it's like whenever you hear somebody who's intelligent talk right that amazing

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listen to those words and then compare them with when I stumbled over a couple of compare them with

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They're trying to kill God. This is the this is the false

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They're trying to replace Jehovah hold on there is only one God

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Oh, excuse me, sir. Also physicist Fritz Fritz job Capra further explained in the Tao the Tao of physics quote

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The dance of Shiva symbolizes all the basis of all existence at the same time Shiva reminds us that the manifold forms in the world

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Are not fundamental but illusory and ever-changing

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I need you to stop using words like manifold and illusory if we've got Jim Baker listening

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He's not does not understand those words modern physics has shown that the rhythm of creation and destruction is not only

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manifest in the turn of the seasons and in the birth of death birth and death of all living creatures but also in the

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very essence of inorganic matter

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So there's a lot of very nice poetic ways that you can work in the idea of you know, the dance of Shiva

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Just all everything. Oh, you don't have to do it religiously. You can just do it poetically

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Those guys know who Shiva is right and these guys are like

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This he is out here trying to replace Jehovah and you're like you do not know anything about Shiva

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Do you sir? Mm-hmm and Jim keeps saying that God. Yeah

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So that's that's that God over there. Yeah, so Chris Putnam

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I said rest in peace during the when he was introduced

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Is he dead or is he just never going to show up on Jim Baker show?

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No, he tragically passed. I think it was only like 51 died surprisingly. I'm trying to figure that out

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I'm what I could glean. I I would guess it was a heart attack or something like that. He died last year

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And you know, I don't I don't take any any enjoyment in that. That's very sad

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At the same time. I also don't think it's that tragic. Hey, he had a family

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So he has not spoken yet and he jumps in here to explain that

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Science proves God and just to put it really simply

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What Einstein discovered and what they're discovering the smaller they get is that human consciousness

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The observer affects reality. So some of these things it looks like a wave

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Okay, sometimes it looks like a bullet like a particle now

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It's actually both until somebody looks at it when you look at it. It actually determines what state it's in

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Which is really odd given, you know an atheistic world that wouldn't make any sense

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Why would your mind have any effect of a reality? So they're actually proving our world view

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No through their atheistic mindset whether they realize it or not because they're proving that human consciousness are our our soul

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Our essence actually affects physical reality in a way so we really don't understand it all. Nope

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Not how that works at all. No, but what they're what they're proving is that light affects light

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Light affects light. Hmm, not that the human mind

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It's not that we it's not that when we observe it we force the wave function to collapse

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It's that in order to observe it we have to shine light on it, which then forces the wave function to collapse

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It's not like our eyes are doing it. No, it's our eyes. Okay

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Now admittedly, I don't know a whole lot about quantum physics. That's not a area of study that I am very i'm not even really

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Really conversant in it necessarily i've watched some youtube videos

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Also much like chris probably has also that wasn't einstein

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He's very einstein wasn't the guy who figured out that uh, uh light is both a particle and a wave

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No, no, there's a little bit after him. I uh, as I understand but um, you know

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What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? This is one of those things that like I think that um,

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You know uncertainty, uh rules in uh, you know

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Like uh the schrodinger's cat kind of well, that's what he's referencing. Right, right, but ideas like that. Uh, really bring up this

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it's

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It's the form of science that's most easily abused right by people who have an agenda

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Especially since the people who do know about it also agree

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Nobody really knows that much about it and they're not going to engage like they're not going to be like, oh no

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They're not going to go on jim baker's show and thoroughly explain it

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No, they're not going to come on this show and fully explain. Hell no

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Um, so generally most people don't get uh without studying it don't really understand it

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yeah, I don't think these guys have because what you because if you

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If you are talking to a quantum physicist, you're eventually going to get to the point where they say

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All of this we can measure and I can tell you that this is true

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But the stuff that we can't measure is so great that I can't tell you that anything is true. Right, right because

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Uh, we're trying man. That's why we got all this

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We built the biggest fucking thing ever right just to be like shut the fuck up you asshole

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We're not looking for god. We're not trying to open a portal. No

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Where are we even where would it even go so far? A lot of this has just been

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Still a little bit of laying the groundwork. This is going to spin off the rails pretty hard and I

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I believe that it starts in this I feel like misrepresenting the two slits experiment has already made me angry at

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How far off the rails this has gone very basically off the rails already off the rails

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I have one piece of evidence that it is damning

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That jim baker doesn't have and that his guests don't like hold on

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Okay, like it would be it's the sort of thing that I legitimately believe is

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Disqualifying for the idea that someone has ever read the bible

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Or has ever studied ever even read the bible or has ever even studied the idea of christianity

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Any of those things I think if you don't know this one piece of information

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I think this is one of those times where I wish I got sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I had to cut in real quick

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This is one of the times where I feel so miserable that I couldn't that I didn't know what we were going to talk about

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because the way my brain works is like

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All of this information is spinning around in my head

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But now i'm trying to improv it and pull it from all kinds of different directions

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So i'm going to sound like an idiot. I should have texted you i'm in like

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Brush up on remember remember remember physics and cern and all of that shit and i'm like hey

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Yeah, you're doing good, but everything goes off the rails. I believe starting

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In this next clip. That's what they're trying to do

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Verify a parallel reality now if I remember correctly back when I was a boy no back in the bible days

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When they were building a tower

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Called babel or babel babel babel

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the tower

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to

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Go into heaven

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Is that right? Yeah

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now

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If my mind serves me correctly

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They they were looking for more of a doorway to heaven a stair now, let's face it

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You're not going to build a stairway or a tower

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And walk up and go into heaven

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You can't climb that high

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So I don't think they were trying to build just a tower that would get up and say hi god

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Good morning. Hey god. Good morning. Hey god. Good morning. What time is it?

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What time zone does god live in dad? So that's uh, is he grenich mean time must be yeah, uh, all the upper crust

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Okay, subscribe to grenich mean. Yeah. Um, look dude

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Fair enough fair play to you

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Fair play to you. Uh, jim baker. I suppose. Yes. You can't climb high enough. I

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I would call i'm glad he does know that

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That's good. That suggests a basic understanding of science. Well

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That is in sharp contrast with his co-host zach who comes in with this

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Now the crazy thing is this could they have possibly gotten to heaven in the tower of babel?

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Would they have if god wouldn't have destroyed them and I would say with an emphatic answer an emphatic

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I expected him to say no. Unfortunately, he says what?

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Yes, yes

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They would have and we can learn this from genesis chapter 11 and it says this

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It says and then they said come let us build ourselves a city with a tower that reaches to the heaven

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So that we may make a name for ourselves. Otherwise, we'll be scattered over the whole face of the earth, but the lord came down

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To see the city and the tower that people were building first of all

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I love the idea of like god coming down just to see it like hey, what the fuck are these assholes doing?

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Well, actually I love that his real problem was he was hanging his toes off the edge of heaven for a while

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And they almost brushed up on that tower and he's like nah, I gotta stop this shit

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They're fucking with my fishing strongly disagree. I think what happened is that one of god's buddies came over

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He's like god's buddy. He's like they're fucking talking shiva. Yeah, shiva comes over and he's like they're taking they're fucking calling you out your name

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They're talking shit about you. You're going to stand for that. So god comes down checks out the city

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He's like what the fuck is this tower? It's bullshit sons of bitches who planned this it's right next to a grocery store

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Come on, man next to the only way into heaven. We're zoning laws

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And the lord said this are you ready for this?

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If as one people speaking the same language, they've begun to do this

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Then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them the very thing the god of the universe

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He said that nothing they do would be impossible for them that that indicates that the very thing that they had set out to do

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What have been achieved?

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so

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Boy, these guys don't understand metaphor. Well, that's gonna be uh, they really don't understand metaphor

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That's gonna be a running theme. So

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So even biblical literalists are like they weren't actually building the tower to heaven

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Guys, you can't do that. Well, it's not upstairs also

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It's not upstairs also fun little bit of trivia the phrase tower of babel does not exist in the bible

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Um, also, it's not a real thing

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Uh, it's merely what's known as an etiology which is like a little story that's meant to explain something

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Yeah, basically, it's meant to explain why people have different languages and teach children against the idea of hubris against god

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Yeah, that sort of thing. It is very similar to this other myth. There are tons of them

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It's it's like a it's like a big one. It's in the public consciousness

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uh led zeppelin referenced it one time, um

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It's that guy dyer maker who?

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who uh

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Went up like the magic carpet ride. Yes. There you go

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It was actually zoso

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Well, no, I mean yeah stairway to heaven, uh is icarus it's icarus flying too close to the sun

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That's the whole thing. They're even more literal analogs throughout history in different cultures

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There's a sumerian myth about m murcar's ziggurat a mexican tale about the construction of the pyramid of cholula

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There's a bunch of different versions throughout africa and even some in tibet

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Yeah

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um and and the historians have tried to figure out exactly like is it possible that there was a tower of babel that this is

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like something that um actually comes down from history

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And there was a ziggurat dedicated to marduk in babylon called marduk's a bad fella. It was called etimanonkey

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Uh, but based on historical context, there's almost no chance

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This is what the story in the bible is referring to

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One of the chief problems being that the tower of babel was said to be built under nimrod, which would have been around 2000 bc

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And etimanonkey, uh is almost certainly from around 12th century BCE

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It's impossible to tell for sure since babylon was destroyed in 689 bc and etimanonkey

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Uh was destroyed along with it either way

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Uh that uh that ziggurat that was built

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Was about 300 feet tall, uh, which isn't tiny but for comparison that's less than half the height of the chicago board of trade building

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The 44th tallest building in chicago. Do you know what's crazy about that building?

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It's about to be taken down by god. It got a little too close everyone there's speaking the same language getting up real close

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Nothing is impossible for these people who speak the same language. We got to tear it down tear down that wall. Mr

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God, there's also a

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A sort of theme in the story that they're missing and not even dealing with and that is the idea that god is affirming that

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If people work together, there's they have boundless potential furthermore

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It is suggesting that god is afraid of people or is uh vested in them not working together

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In some ways, uh, he's like, oh no, uh-uh can't be having this

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Yeah, so I mean they keep coming back to this and trying to compare cern to the tower of babel

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Okay, and whatever what fine sure whatever. Ah

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Do what you do. It's it's only because that one theme of the story the hubris against god is what they're trying to

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Create as all that's going on at cern

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So now yes

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There's more to this story. What's that?

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And that is wait the tower of babel. No, we're off tower of babel for now

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And now we're getting into the story of tom horn

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And uh, chris putnam that sounds like a classic myth. It is one of the great tales of history one of the great love stories

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um

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Not since uh is old and tristan have we had such a great romance

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star crossed lovers

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I only know about that is old and tristan because of uh, like I worked at a movie theater when that movie came out

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The is old movie or whatever

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I believe and all I remember was all of the marketing materials were so petty about romeo and juliette

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They were all like I remember it to this day. You think you think romeo and juliette was good. Yeah

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You ain't seen shit. It was more like romeo and juliette ripped us off

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All right

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Wait, wait, so the even the movie people are saying that romeo and juliette ripped tristan

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And he's old off that was part of the marketing campaign of it. Yeah, it was crazy

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It's nuts, I like it that was 20 years ago probably me working at that movie theater

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man, maybe a little less I I genuinely do not know why I know anything about tristan and he's old other than I was in a

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I was in literature for a while and somehow that just became a reference point

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So, um tom is going to tell a little bit of the story of the beginning of their conspiracy

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Uh here, uh, and i'll fill in the blanks as best I can. Is there some kismet? Do they is this serendipity?

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No, they've been working together for quite a while. Was the movie serendipity based off of them

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I do think that he was john cusack was based on

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Perhaps okay. And also I should say tom horn wrote love in the time of color

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There's a supernatural force going on and you all have been on amazing trips y'all

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You have gone back into the wilderness. You've gone into the deserts you have gone to

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uh meet with

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the the indian leaders

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You have gone to meet with leaders

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around the world supernatural things taking place

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and uh

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I was

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writing down

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When you were going to meet uh, uh, dr. Mose, I believe his name was that correct m-o-s-e

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O-s-e

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What was he a medical doctor or no, he's a he dr. Mose

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Is the navajo nation's third generation medicine man and oral historian?

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And so apart partly what happened jim was we had gone up to mount graham

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You know the whole exovaticana the last time we were on your show talking about that. Oh, of course

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And when we came down from uh mount graham, we thought we had all of the answers in the world

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The cathics are part of an observatory. We're the biggest in the world, right? One of the lenses is called lucifer, right?

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I remember that. Yeah, but it's a

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One of the pieces of technology and saw it inside the large binocular telescope is called the lucifer

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So well that that makes everything clear dan

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This is a big uh conspiracy of the

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Though it's begun and propagated by tom horn by these two guys just these two guys are the ones who originated this bullshit

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Uh, you know populated or popularized it you could say that there were other players involved too, but they're major figures

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The the vatican having a lucifer telescope. Yeah, um, which and they're not going to get into this now because in 2015

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it's embarrassing but a lot of the conspiracy around it was that um, the

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The the vatican is in touch with aliens, of course, um, and they're using this, uh, lucifer telescope in order to track neburu

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Or planet x okay, which was supposed to come back around in 2012, right at the end of the mayan calendar, right?

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All this stuff that stuff didn't happen. Of course

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Well, or did it that um, and so you leave that piece off of it and that's why I believe tom horn is like

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Wow, it's a piece of the technology the lucifer thing. Sure

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So you gotta toss it anytime somebody is like let's throw in something that some asshole thinks

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People do need to get better at naming shit

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Because I get why I get why you would name it lucifer, but if you name it lucifer you have no idea why

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What i'll tell you why it's it was called that why we'll get into it. We'll get into it. Okay. All right

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So here's the thing they went to mount graham, which is a mountain and they're named after graham. Sure

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It's an opportune place to put telescopes. So there are multiple, uh,

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observatories multiple

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unrelated entities on mount graham that have telescopes

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So the vatican maintains an observatory there that can uh includes the alice p lennon gregorian telescope

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And the thomas j bannon astrophysics facility. I believe it's called the memorial thomas j bannon

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No, no, uh where said telescope is housed the alice

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Uh telescope is inside the thomas, uh astrophysics facility cool

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This is commonly referred to as the vat complex the att cool also on mount graham

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But unconnected to that is the mount graham international observatory which contains the large binocular telescope

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part of the technology at mgio is an infrared spectra, uh

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spectroscopy imagery module known as the large binocular telescope near infrared

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Spectrosonic utility with camera and integral field unit for extragalactic research initially the acronym for this was lucifer

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But since christian weirdos kept being weird about it

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They changed it to lucifer gotcha because you you take out some of the I mean

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There's no way that's going to make a word now

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So you drop a couple of the words off the acronym you end up with lucifer if you're some sort of uh, not vatican connected

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Uh astrologists are like, whoa, look at that. It kind of makes lucifer. Yeah, there you go. Do it

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Yep, in the same way that that blue horse outside the denver airport that giant blue horse

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Oh, but all those conspiracies are true. No, they're not they they called that lucifer

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Yeah, that's what they want is the red eyes

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But when you look into it

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It has to do with the artist's history and the artist's life and his dad owning a neon shop when he was a kid

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So he decorated it with some neon eyes as an homage to his father all this shit

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Anyway, the reality of things is often less interesting than uh, assuming that the pope has sanctioned a telescope

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Called lucifer in the middle of uh, mount graham. Yeah, where to monitor planet x well

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Yeah, and they communicate with aliens. Yeah, who doesn't um within the worlds we inhabit

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Seems like a lot of people are communicating with aliens these days seems like we're the only ones who aren't we're the only ones

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Why don't we have our own telescope?

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We really should get one just like a small one though like within our budget. They're not cheap put it on uh mount

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Dan sure. Yeah, it's like mount dan. Yeah. Um, there is a danville in almost every state

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I bet there's a little tiny hill in danville. We'll call it mount dan

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This will be good

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knowledge fight memorial, uh mount dan telescope, um, so

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We're gonna get into the native american stuff a little bit later. He's gonna bring that back up

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I was gonna say why did he toss in some native american medicine man if we're all about uh,

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God and jahova we'll discuss that in a more full way before I get into the more of the stuff here about this lucifer telescope

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Uh-huh and mount graham. Okay, most of his ideas about um, this

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Uh connection with ufos and stuff is based on an interview with a guy named guy

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Cons consul magno, uh who uh is uh attache

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He was the past president of the i uh, iau commission on planets and moons cool has an affiliation with uh, the valor

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With uh the vatican nice. Um, so he had an interview with him, uh, and a little bit later

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after tom horn started putting out a bunch of information about uh interviews with this consul magno guy, uh,

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Consul magno guy consul magno came out with this statement quote about a year ago an author whom I will not name or link

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To conducted an extensive interview with me by email. I thought he was a legitimate journalist

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However, seeing the ways in which he is twisted misquoted and invented utter falsehoods from the things I said

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I've come to suspect he is either a knave or a fool

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There are no vatican secrets about ufos neither. I nor anyone I know has any evidence that extraterrestrials exist

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We do not believe that jesus is a hybrid or any of the other bizarre claims this author makes

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He is either seriously deluded or a deliberate con man. Let me rephrase this as strongly as I can

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I do not know of any credible evidence at all that there has ever been contact of any form between extraterrestrial aliens and earth

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Period I cannot imagine a circumstance where such contact could be kept secret for very long

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And I say this not only as an active astronomer for 40 years

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But also as someone who knows lots of people in the ceti community who would love to have such evidence

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And as someone who's been an officer of the american astronomer

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Astronomical society and the international astronomical union if there's something like this going on we'd all be talking about it

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There isn't and we aren't yeah, they would pretty much be talking about it non-stop

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It might be the only thing anyone would ever talk about right?

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So it would take a while for the novelty to wear off and people to be like, ah, this is what are we talking about?

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Aliens again fuck off. Yeah, so he is, uh completely

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Uh misrepresented, uh, the interview that he had with him in order to bolster all this stuff, which I bring up partially because it's related

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But also mostly because it is the sort of behavior that these people do

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Yeah

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They take people entirely out of context or just make stuff up and hope you can just roll the bones and no one will notice

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Hope they never find out and hope no one looks into it

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Also, there aren't a lot of good opportunities to uh use the word nave properly

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Hmm, that's a fun word to toss around and that is the most accurate word that guy could have used

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It's almost like he chooses his words very carefully and decides to use them when they are appropriate also

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It's fun because when they talk about going to mount graham

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Um, I believe there will be some of this in the episode as we go along

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but they sort of portray it as like they broke in or like it was some sort of a like

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It's a false flag operation or it was some sort of a like, uh ballsy investigative project veritas infiltration

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Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, they sort of try and present it as like a dramatic

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uh detective sort of thing but

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they

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You can take a tour like it's open to the public

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Like it's not none of the if you called and you presented yourself as a journalist

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You could probably interview anybody there you get a tour if you call and presented yourself as just you you could probably get a tour

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Oh, you know if you paid like I think it's 40 bucks. You're gonna get a tour. Anybody should get a tour

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We're not close. Oh, okay. Uh, but the yeah, the the idea is they're trying to create this sort of mythos around

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Uh what they did like going to mount graham was dangerous for them and they solved a mystery, right?

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And then they come down and talk to the native americans, which again we'll talk about here in a second

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Okay, and all of it is horseshit. Yeah, like all of it is just classic. They're just they're just tourists lying

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Yeah, they they are is they're selling you on a uh slide show that you wouldn't otherwise like

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Like you're not gonna watch their slideshow like look we've all been on vacation, dude

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but they're they have to sell it as a

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It's an investigation and we figured it all out because you know

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That's the equivalent of your friend like punching himself in the face and taking a picture while he's on vacation

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Oh, yeah, here's a picture of after I got mugged just to spice it up, right?

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That didn't happen on your trip, but the rest of the trip wasn't a good story. It was a good time

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How good of a story is they let us in and were very gracious and talked to us

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You gotta have punch up on everything dan reality is kind of boring

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So I told you that we're gonna get to the native americans and it turns out we get to them much sooner than I expected

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Are we we're still just letting go all of the shit that they've said so far as not being that far off the rails, right?

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Oh, no, just because this is gonna get further off the rails a hundred percent a hundred percent

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I don't understand how that's possible. It goes off the rails in multiple directions

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We've gone off that we've already got the tower of babel is about them

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Actually being capable of getting all the way up to god, right?

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They're the large hadron collider is about finding and what the creator of god creating an alternate portal

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Uh, there's we're

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so far so good what

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What are we doing here? What are we doing here?

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So as the best I can tell you is that as this goes along it's not like the train goes off the rails

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It's like little cars break off of the train and go off the rails in different directions

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Okay, and you're sort of still tracking those trains as the it's some of them explode and it's a whole thing. Sure

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Um here is where we get into the sort of the beginnings of what he wants to talk about about native americans

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Things

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We think okay, we we've solved the mystery right of what's going on in mount ram he's talking about after he got a tour

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Yeah

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And then we get contacted by the apache

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By a member of the apache nation who wants us to know that he heard us on the radio

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He saw us on tv and we have missed probably the biggest piece of the puzzle and we're like, well, what is that?

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And he says the reason that the apache joined the environmentalists to sue the vatican and to sue nasa

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And to try to keep them from getting up on the top of that mountain

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Is because mount graham is one of the four holiest mountains in the world for all american indigenous tribes

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Not just the apache and it is uh, jim because it is a portal it is a doorway

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It is a gateway. It is a strategic location on earth where since the beginning of time

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Entities have come in and out of this reality

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Well when he told me that we we went and vetted the story to make sure that was true what it is

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Uh, and then boy the conspiracy life went off in our head about now why?

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I would like more information on this vetting process. How do you vet?

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This is a portal that many people have many entities have entered in and out of over

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Human history the only response I have to that question is I looked into it and i'm very sad to report that tom horn

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Has not been on project camelot

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That belongs on fucking project. No, I was just thinking about this

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Like what happens when you combine?

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People who believe in god with people who are willing to lie about science and then just throw god in there is project camelot

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But I think even like beneath the surface a little bit carrie is probably a little religious. Oh, yeah

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Swery carrie leans a little religious. Yeah

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scientists

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uh are

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Generally speaking not always but usually responsible people and so they don't say things like

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We're trying to we're finding a portal and there's a fucking portal up here. That's why we built this

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And then and the apache are the protectors of the portal scientists

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Maybe also there's a certain bit of like old school like 1940s adventurism

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Built into that. That's what I was talking. Yeah, that's what's built into the idea

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It's like we we talked to that steinly got into this observatory

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Well, not just that but like there's a there's a native american who is our our our fetishization

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Yeah, he's our our sherpa our men to take us through. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's the whole thing now. I have that backwards

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That's what haji would call. Uh, dr

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Quest I apologize. I was backwards but the same relationship was a an indian. I understand that. Okay, nevermind sort of relationship

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No agreed. Yeah. Yeah, you're absolutely right there. Um, this is a 1940s boys adventure

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Look, I want to say that I understand I agree 100

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Yeah, I the reason I can't respond to that clip really is because I don't know his vetting process

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And I can't vet that information. I'm pretty sure he threw a rock through the portal

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I can't vet that information about the portal, but you know what I can do what I can vet other things

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He says and I can use that as context clues about whether or not I should trust him this next clip. I've vetted

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And you lived in arizona by the way, you know why they call the the phoenix metropolitan area the valley of the sun

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It's because when the giants came down through wiping out the indians and they ran and hid in the caves

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They cried out to the sun god the great god and he set a flood

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That came across the earth and wiped out all of the giants and that's why the metropolitan area is called the valley of the sun

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Because god wiped out the giants there

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That's an interesting theory. So

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Headline on that day

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Giants killed by flood. Mm-hmm. How big were the giants huge huge huge were they the new york giants or the san francisco giants?

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there were the

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Nephilim giants nephilim giants. Yeah. So the so the native americans also believed in the nephilim

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yeah, or or perhaps the nephilim just

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Tossed in bitch. You don't have to believe in the nephilim. They exist. There we go. All right

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You know what? You're right. You're right. How dare you and of course this as we all should have known because it's a very

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Well-known concept that everyone within a certain community knows

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The valley of the sun right is because named such because giants got flooded giants were fucking all over the place

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The neighborhood was lousy with giants. You couldn't step anywhere without getting stepped on so they prayed in caves

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And the god of the sun right brought a flood and they killed off all the giants. I'm serious. They didn't kill them in the caves

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Which seems like a trap during a flood

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It's a selective flood

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meh, furthermore is this guy's does this guy think that

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Because he'd sign it kind of sounds like he believes that that did happen. Oh, he definitely believes well

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I think it's that thin line for con men. It's like you never really you know, like a good poker player

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You're not really sure if they're bluffing or not right good con men or people who've been doing it for long enough

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You kind of don't know if they really believe it or if it's just a bluff

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But he's very much suggesting within his twisted worldview right that this is so named

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Because of a literal event that happened. That's interesting right because here which suggests that there is a god of the sun

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Is not

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The jehovah no. Oh, that's interesting too. So who's who's jehovah? Where's jehovah at in this whole situation?

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There's only one god

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Why did they get the flood if there's okay because they just think of jehovah as the sun god

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It's all it's all one god many names. He is this he is the god of the sun and i'm telling you something

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Ain't no sun like the son of god. You know what i'm saying?

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Unfortunately, i'm going to read to you from an article in arizona central, uh azcentral.com quote

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It's critical for cities to be properly marketed to create a sense of place for residents and a luring vacation destination for tourists

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boosters touted phoenix

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Boosters touted phoenix as being the quote denver of the southwest in the 1890s a slogan that seems a tad

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Unimaginative in the 1920s. They tried quote where summer because where summer winters and quote the golden spot of america

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But both were duds in 1935 the valley of the sun slogan was coined by a local advertising agency for the phoenix chamber of commerce

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The group felt the slogan had a quote direct reader appeal that cannot help but attract interest according to a 1935

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arizona republic article valley of the sun is a tourism nickname cooked up by the phoenix metro area in the

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1930s because it sounded better than the accurate name the salt river valley

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The reason for the name is that the metropolitan area may well be one of the sunniest places in the country receiving an average of

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295 days of sunlight a year as opposed to the national average of 205

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This does not come from native american legend comes from 1930s arizona tourism boards

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I am a big fan of when you could find this by looking into it at all

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Googling it tom horn. You could congratulations on your studying

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I'm a big fan of any time that kind of claim comes out

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Uh on our show and then you just immediately point to and this was marketing and you oh god

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Yeah, great. So this is an ad agency, but it also speaks to how good that ad agency was

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It's really good. I tricked tom horn in the present that also years later. That also is not that hard to do

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I feel like no probably not

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So you just got to tell tom horn something he wants to hear and he will be tricked. Yeah, so

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Like i'm saying there are claims you can vet and there's claims that you can't

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The fan you the fact that I prove or disprove that the giants were flooded though. Well, see I can't but I don't care

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Because I can prove that he doesn't know that that was a tourist slogan, right?

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From the night from 1935 that an ad agency came up with not something that is really indicative of uh, Navajo

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uh legends parallel thinking Dan parallel thinking the Navajo came up with it first and then

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Hundreds of years later the marketing guy. He just got influenced by the sun god

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I would recommend everybody to read as many articles as I have read today about why is phoenix club the valley of the sun

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And all of them will point you in the exact same direction has nothing to do the sun god flooded him with

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Ideas, and that's what happened. That's why it's called the valley of the sun

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So, um in that clip before this where tom was talking hot bullshit

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He was saying that he talked to a Navajo man

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Uh, the perhaps the medicine man, dr. Mays not maze. I thought he was apache

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No, he's very fast and loose about these things. Gotcha

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Oh, oh, he's not very respectful about the first nations

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No, he's not and he's especially not because he refers to people as anasazi as we as we discussed

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Why does that only come up on jim baker's show by the way weird weird that that specific racism such a very specific racism

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Yeah, maybe it's not even racism, but ethnic insensitivity ignorance. Yeah. Um, it willful ignorance seems very consistent

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And I actually know I actually kind of know why um, it's because this tom horn and steve quail are good friends

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They're oh, okay. They're contemporaries. Gotcha and know each other and do each other's radio shows all the time

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Gotcha. So the idea that both of them will spout nonsense about anasazi people makes perfect sense

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Yeah, absolutely. Gotcha. So here is more, uh from this Navajo gentleman that tom horn talked to and boy i'll tell you what

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I have a very simple explanation for this. Okay?

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At first he's just going down the storyline

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Right, he's telling what they hear in their schools. He's saying well a drought came along and so the ancient anasazi

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They migrated away out of the area

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They eventually become the hopi and I stop him in the film and I say but i've heard there's a lot of evidence

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That contradicts that for instance they left everything behind all their salt all their tools everything was still inside the cave

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So they disappeared overnight. They didn't migrate away slowly and he looks into the camera and he says

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well, I should not tell you this but and then he starts saying if you would have asked my great-grandfather

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Here's the story that he would have told and he describes a portal opening in the four corners area

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And that same reptilian that had that had a caused such havoc with the apache

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Comes through over there and they draw pictures petroglyphs

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Some of these are a thousand years before jesus christ walked into the cave

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Some of these are a thousand years before jesus christ walked on the earth

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And they show a portal the spiral vortex. The portal is opening right next to it

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Is this giant reptilian with the halo around his head that comes through and what does he do?

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He starts teaching the anasazi this according to the the navajo

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historian he starts they he starts teaching the um

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The anasazi dark magic black magic and they go down into their kivas into their underground places

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It should be holy places and they start pharmakeia the the new testament would call it they start using

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Sorcery and drugs and they get in contact with these things and they bring them through

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The portals and now all of a sudden there's giants in the anasazi area and they're cannibalizing

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So that's a lot so

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I can actually explain that in one sentence that I should probably say before you go off on go for it. Um,

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The reason that this navajo guy's grandfather would say this about the people who he's referring to is anasazi

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Is because if we recall what we talked about on that steve quail episode anasazi means literally in navajo language ancient enemies

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Yeah, so the idea that a navajo guy had some sort of cultural tradition about demonizing anasazi

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Yeah folk who we should call uh pueblo and yeah ancestors. Yeah. Um

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That to me is just sort of an artful hateful. Um

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Ideology, okay. Why do we not like these pueblans, right?

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Why do we call them ancestral enemies because they steal our jobs?

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Well, no not just that it's because when that portal opened and demon reptilian beings came through they were susceptible to the black magic

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And that's why even though we probably should all just get along and live out our common, uh purposes and goods in life

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No, they are black magic. They're the other and we don't trust them

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What he is doing is he is being fucking incredibly stupid tom horn

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Yeah, he's not taking cultural context into it at all if I heard if I like

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You understand what i'm saying? I do

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What I don't understand is why is everyone listening and nodding?

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You mean the people at morning view? Yeah, it's weird. Why are they doing that doesn't this fly in the face of all of their beliefs?

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Like if they if that's true, no, no, so if they're because they're they're nodding as though this was a thing that he's because he's

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Emphasizing that this is what uh, the navajo

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Historian says to him right as a true thing. Yeah. He's also insisting that portals are real

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Oh, they're real. So he's now suggesting that a thousand years before jesus christ

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There were navajo

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Sorcerer or not navajo anasazi sorcerers who had the capability to open portals bring giants and reptilian

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Guys with halos right and everybody who's christian is just like whoa

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Everybody who's christian is just like whoa. I can't believe that happened. Well, that's a thing. I think a piece of it is

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um

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They believe that giants are in the bible

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And so the bringing in the giants are like, oh these are just sort of extra demonic beings or whatever

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Right, right and the portal stuff. I believe that tom believes

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I'm, not sure he spells this out fully

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Portals are sort of blasé. They're just sort of like whatever god can make them portals or whatever man

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I feel like portals should be a bigger deal than that. And so angels, uh in tom's uh, he does bring this up a couple times

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Angel just means messenger. Oh, it doesn't have to be a race of beings or something like that

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It could be all sorts of different messenger, right?

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It's a job not a type of thing and that really changes that danny glover movie a lot and that uh, christopher lloyd movie

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Oh, yeah, that's the same movie. Oh

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Let me tell you something did you got an angel with you right now?

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It was a remake though, it was a remake to be fair might be the best moment of this podcast ever

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Messengers in the outfit

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Nearly as well

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And I mean, you know giants in the outfield would still be great you got willie mays all good

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They got about a hundred and uh 80 of those movies a year, right?

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Something like that baseball season

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Guys

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How do we move forward from that? I don't know. I don't know

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What's once you get a good angels in the outfield bet going it's it's hard to it's hard to escape

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So but I would say that he thinks that all that uh fits into his warped version of what the christianity says

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And like what the uh, the the bible actually says which it doesn't

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They but it really sounds like they're all looking at this and learning history

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Like that's the way that they're yes

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Like that's the way that jim baker and all these people are presenting it as they're like, whoa

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Look at this pit of human history. That's 100% real that I didn't know that co-host zach was saying

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They literally could make a tower to heaven. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what is going on here. This is

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You you've pointed this out earlier

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I worry that none of these people have ever actually read the bible. I worry that they've read these um,

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nouveau

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Translations of the bible like the message version of the bible and stuff like that. I don't know that one

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That's one of those. I don't it probably maybe after even both of our times, uh when we were in the church

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Um, but it's a translation that tries to put the bible into modern terms and stuff like that. So it loses a lot of the uh,

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Essence of the the king james version or even the niv version and jesus walked up and he was like you guys aren't cool

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Selling this shit in the church and then jesus pulled him out and he put his sunglasses on

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Yeah

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And even those versions like the the sort of classically accepted versions. They even have their problems

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I mean like if you study classical languages at all

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One of the things you you know, you start to have to look at is that like in ancient greek?

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Like for instance, they didn't really usually ever write vowels and stuff like that. Yeah, and they didn't put spaces between words

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So a lot of that makes things very difficult, but there are ways you can you know, you suss it all out

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And figure it out. So like there is a there is a construction that you can make of texts and stuff like that

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But it's it's imprecise sometimes and that's greek a language. We fucking understand almost fully

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Yeah

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so when you take these biblical texts that are from like coine greek, uh, and you have

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That level of detachment from it and that much like the other thing like so in college

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I translated the ilead in one of my classes one semester was dedicated just to translating the ilead

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Uh-huh, and one of the things that always has struck in my head like it

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It's something that I think about very regularly. There are multiple words in the ilead that don't exist anywhere else ever in writing

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Like there's one that is like the only one I can remember is poly phlois boss

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There's a word that only exists one time in the ilead and never again in greek in no other greek writing

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Um, it means many flowing

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um

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It's a word that's used to describe

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Almost the sound of the water lapping up against boats, uh-huh and stuff like that

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It's a descriptor, uh epithet of a river. Um, the many the poly voice boss. Uh, yeah

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yeah, um, and that has always struck in my mind because

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When you have these ancient languages and there are examples of like these words that only exist once yeah

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um, there's the in preciseness of

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Of translation and then on top of that if you've ever looked into the dead sea scrolls, you would know that most of that is fragments

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Yeah, you know like so well isn't the ilead fragments too

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Somewhat. Yeah a lot of that or at least people consider it to be part of a far larger series of stuff

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Anyway, anyways, i'm sorry for interrupting part of oral tradition

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Yeah, like whatever it originally was isn't what it was when it was eventually. Yeah, exactly

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yeah, but but in terms of the dead sea scrolls, you know, and um,

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um, they found all those scrolls at kumran, uh, and they

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Tried to put them together as best as they could right, but even if you look at any

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Scholarly text about the dead sea scrolls. You're going to have caveats like yeah a lot of this is missing, right?

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You know and stuff like and that's the case for a lot of fucking books

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There's a lot of books in the bible that have had to be reconstructed right and have been over time, right? So

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to me

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When you have that much and you understand that much you kind of have to accept fallibility in the text and then beyond that

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You have to

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really

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avoid

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hip cool translations

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Because they're going to lead you into like a stupid world where you're like reading this and god says hey, bro

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What's up, or something like that, you know, that's not what it says, but it's that sort of parallel like hey

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God says what's going on?

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You know, you're going to lose pretty much everything. You'll get the spirit. I guess maybe uh,

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Maybe the intent of the text but you're not going to get any of it. Well, I mean in my in my world

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Yeah, yeah

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Just because I want to make this very clear the message version of the bible the message translation

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The last jim baker episode we did was about uh, paula white cain. Uh-huh. That's her favorite translation

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Oh, she makes that very clear and so like that's one of the reasons why that is something that comes up in my mind

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Yeah, when we're talking about what do these people have they ever read the bible, right?

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And yeah, they probably have but they've read a version that's almost like a harry potter novel, right?

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It's written to be read by people who like novels. It stars poochy more or less. Yeah. So what you're saying?

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Yeah, no, I mean in in to that to that in in like my world just in a pure present tense

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uh reading uh a rainier

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maria rilke

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uh a book of his poetry in german and then reading the translation in and german and english are

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very very close languages true, but you will never actually get like there's such a massive difference between those two and we

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all understand like people who speak german have studied german their entire lives and and

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Translators are trying their hardest to get the same kind of feel and flavor of that and put it into english

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And you simply cannot no so that's that's just something that's happening today

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Let alone something where you only have 10 words that he used and you have to try and extrapolate an entire language

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well, and you have to consider like, um

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Idioms. Yeah, which people who are actual scholars do right is one of the easy ways not easy ways

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But it's one of the convenient ways you can date texts

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Yeah, like a lot of the times you can tell oh this comes from this period because that idiom was not

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Uh in function at that time, but that makes it that makes it incredibly difficult

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Like wordplay exists in ancient languages wordplay exists in german that can't be translated to english

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Even in modern languages you lose

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Um a bit of right a bit of the flair. Yeah, when you try and translate german into english. It's like, uh,

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Trying to stuff a cat full of boots and drop it in the water exactly. Yep. Try and translate that you uk fucks

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Fucks

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Um, so let's get back into this, um, that's right that was a that was a long tangent

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Yeah, um at this point we uh hear uh, what I would describe as a return

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From chris putnam who has been sort of playing second fiddle

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All right, uh to uh tom horn throughout most of this but he comes in hot he comes in strong

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Uh with a very stupid thing. Okay that he's going to say good

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So 20 30 years ago, would you think there'd be a reality program on television about hunting for ghosts? Yes

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I mean today there's 30 or 40 of them. Yeah competing with each other. That's right. Okay

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Yeah, I think that's indicative of the age that we're in. I mean competing with you

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It's not just that belief in these things are increasing that the phenomena themselves are becoming

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You know more manifest what?

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What so it's a sign of the times that there's a bunch of ghost hunting shows where they never find anything

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Um, and most of them aren't about ghost hunting. There's like there's the one show that's like, hey

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It's really more about the fact that these are a bunch of college students who are

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Doing this and they aren't they cool and young and fun and they they think they're the ghostbusters

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And then there's that one where it's a frat guy who's yelling at ghosts to hit him and stuff like that

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It's really more about that and then there's fear on mtv

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That was really just about the fact that the camera was on the person's face and everyone cries all the time

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Never saw that one. Oh, man, that one was so good. Was it fear was the best fear was the best

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So they would go to just fear porn they would go to abandoned hospitals and stuff like that or like a prison

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Places that are allegedly haunted. Yes, and they'd be left there and the only video and that would be afraid

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The only video it's like a team of four or five people

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Yeah, and the only video on the show is from surveillance cameras that mtv has set up around the place

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Okay, and then a video camera that's hooked to a rig. So it's like pointing at their face at all, right?

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Right, right and they have to go through the night. They have to spend the night at this place

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And throughout it they get challenges where generally it'll be like two people

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So they have a home base god mtv was great. They have a home base that's safe and there's lights and stuff like that

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And they get to stay

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I love the show. They stay in there, uh initially and then they get these missions

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So it'll be like two of them have to go

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To like the a the j-wing of the of the prison right and then it turns out one of the cells

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Someone hung themselves in that cell. Oh, no

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So one of the people will have to stay in that cell what for like 30 minutes and try and contact that spirit

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Oh, they'll have to do something very specific. Uh-huh. And then the other person will have to go away and do something else

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So they all end up getting left alone, right and everybody just ends up freaking out see now

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See now I want to combine that with like the real world versus road rules challenge. Oh, so you get ct

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So you get them you get them and it's like you got to go into the cell where somebody hung themselves

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But you got to do like 30 pull-ups in there. So, you know, that would be great stuff

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You got to drink a bunch and yell about women. Yeah, that'd be the great that'd be a great way to go

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I would like that combination. They did do a celebrity version of fear. Of course they did that one was awesome

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Everybody wants to watch celebrities be afraid gary bucy was on it and he was

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as

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I recall

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Is the mascot of it as I recall the only person who wasn't scared

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Of course not just gary bucy has no fear. I celebrate you spirits

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Gary bucy was in point break dan. He's never been afraid of anything. It's true

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um

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So don't hurt too my my point about this is more that I don't think these ghost hunting shows are a sign of the times

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I think they're a a fad that happened because people realized like there's a lot of different ways

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We could turn this genre into a different show

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Yeah, like a reality show right you but but it's an interesting context in the same way that like

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You know, there's a lot of different dating shows. Yeah, generally it's not about the dating

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It's about the twist that you put on the rating show

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Like are they dating naked? Like is it next is it eliminate? Is it next next was great. Well next was all fake

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there's at least shows like

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Shipmates where they were dating on a boat. We don't we don't talk about chris hardwick. Oh, yeah. I apologize

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Yeah sucks that he hosted shipmates. Ah, that motherfucker shipmates was so good. Who would have guessed damn it

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Hey, we could have probably seen it coming. Um, so anyway in this next clip we get more project. Camelot talk from tom horn

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Prophecy says that these doorways are going to open. I think some of them are are associated with what the islamic nation

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You were just showing joel richardson's book

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I think some of it's associated with them because the euphrates river right where they're functioning is right out of the book of

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Revelation where it says guess what the door is going to open portals are going to come up out of that

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River and they're going to wipe out a third of humanity

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So now the third of humanity goes back to our last uh apocalyptic bullshit

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But like here here what we have is uh, this is literally what uh, sweary carrie cassidy talks about

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How they like all of these wars throughout history have been like the iraq war vietnam. They weren't about actual

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Geopolitical struggles they were about closing stargates. Yep. He doesn't use the term stargate. He talks like doorways portals

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It's the exact same thing. These people are saying they're pitching the same narrative to different audiences. Yeah, it's fucking fascinating

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it's also fascinating because

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At no point do any of these people realize that so many of these are like

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Regional fears. Yeah, you know like these guys have a reptilian with a halo over there

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You got spider leadership over here. You got the the

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Raptoids or whatever the fuck it is

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Like all of this shit is just regional fears that you can clearly take back to oh

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this culture got fucked up by spiders for a while like that was kind of the

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That was the situation everybody had their own like we get fucked with a tarantula problem. Yeah. Yeah or

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the different komodo dragon

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Might be hard in some cultures

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There's

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Psyche yes down psyche. Yeah, or just the difference between

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Japanese dragons and European dragons like just but it's the silly little things but then yeah

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But then again, some of it is also like just intrinsic like in terms of lizards being sort of seen as evil

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Yeah, make sense. They're so different from

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Mammals. Yeah, you know there is a very like a very strong distrust of something that doesn't have legs like snakes

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Yeah, rolling around. Oh, yeah. What is it? What are they even fucking doing? Where are they?

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Where are their legs also they can kill you also like not all of them, but some of them can kill you

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Yeah, but all the ones that don't kill you also still bite and are hostile

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They they fucking look weird and some of them can constrict you

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Oh, that's a bummer and generally speaking like lizards aren't good eating

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So like there's no reason to really like them over history lizards and and reptiles are the greatest

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possible like

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You're bad. I'm gonna go with bugs. I'm gonna go with bugs. I go with birds Oh birds. You don't like birds too loud

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Mean also

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Yeah, what's a bird ever done for you, huh? Oh, what's a bird ever done for you? I like chicken but not much else

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so I

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Yeah, I would love to I would love myths to be based off of so many of the things that you find like is it good

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What's what's the what's the myth? Uh, these birds are evil fucking loud as shit

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Do you think a lot of myths are based on less?

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No

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so

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Dude, what do you know about orbs?

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I know anytime somebody asks me that question. The answer is not what I'm gonna say

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Do you know about the phenomenon in the paranormal conspiracy community of people taking pictures and there being orbs in it?

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I know about the song by the AAS named phenomenon. It's not that okay. Um, you don't know about this at all, which

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So so orbs you go to haunted places

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Orbs, you take pictures just or and then you get the pictures back and there's orbs in the picture and generally speaking

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Most people can always be like, oh, well, this is failure of the camera or more often

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It's like it's the flash reflecting on a piece of yeah

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Yeah something along those lines, I'll tell you what

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Chris Putnam not a big fan of the the reasonable explanations for orbs, but he is a big fan of fucking orbs

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What's going on there?

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Sedona is famous for being a

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Portal area. In fact, there's actually one area called the Bradshaw ranch famous for by the way

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You guys have already struck out a couple times on Arizona. I wouldn't just stop talking about it

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Go back to the well, so why don't you go to skinwalker ranch Punk? You too scared?

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What you got to go to Bradshaw ranch week?

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Named after a famous stuntman Bradshaw. I was in a lot of the old Western. Oh sure

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He's also made of orbs to tour that but mysteriously the government bought all that land and fenced it off

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Supposedly is national park land, but now you can't even enter it

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Okay, and it's it's famous in the UFO community as an area where you can see UFOs

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It's famous in the ghost hunting paranormal community is a place where you see orbs now

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Everyone is seeing something unidentified in the sky. So UFO. I don't have much problem believing that people see things

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They can't identify what orbs I always thought that those were probably just camera anomalies

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They are you know dust particles and things like that that just kind of you know

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Just some sort of anomaly with the camera reflection inside the top right there you nailed

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So I took a professional photographer with me and we set up two cameras from different angles and we actually did get orbs on

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film

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With two cameras at the same time, so it's not dust particles not something on the camera lens

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What that doesn't actually prove anything?

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No, because if they're shooting in the same direction and there's something that might reflect or

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Refract light from their flash and they're shooting from two angles. It would do the exact same thing on both cameras also

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So so he before this before he took a professional photographer out right to care

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Oh, and they're always using flash. I should be clear because it's at night. Well, yeah, so it's not the only way you can find orbs

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It's not like I'm assuming that they're using flash or they don't come out and flash orbs only come out at night

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So so that means that orbs are man-eaters so he knew so here's here's by my issue with this

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He knew about orbs as a thing. Yeah, and he always thought that they were

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Something wrong with the camera. Yep, which means that he knew that there were a lot of pictures of orbs

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Oh, yeah, and and he's he's presenting it as like I thought it was bullshit before so which is what all con men do

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So if I understand correctly the way that he debunks this or the way that he set out to debunk it to cameras

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Was to use two cameras

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So there were hundreds of cameras

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No one had ever thought to do that upon thousands of cameras in the past that have found these orbs and he was like ah

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but

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Fake, but if I use two cameras, well, then I know they're I know how to do a double-blind study. There you go

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Two cameras solved it light is both a particle and a wave Dan right orbs. So that's just to illustrate like this guy's not

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He's just very gullible and and just not gullible. He just wants to push something on gullible people

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When are they gonna sell stuff? Cuz they dude gotta be around the corner

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I should I should come clean a little bit because there's so much here

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Um, I cut out a lot of the ads. Okay, mostly because it's all just that water bottle man

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Yeah, he's pushing that water bottle hard and it's all these packages of the water bottle and Tom's book

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but okay, I was gonna say Tom Horan and

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Putnam aren't they gonna eventually get to the part where we we all get to see like oh you're selling

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I cut out some of the we're selling your book stuff because to me honestly like that is in the realm of

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of respectable behavior it's assumed

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Yeah

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The idea that these guys are coming on his show and plugging the book that doesn't seem like gross

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Salesmanship to me like even people who come on like Sam Seder's show who have a book

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Yeah, you give a little plug to the book

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Hey you go on you go on a late night and you you sell your fucking movie the way that's fine the way they're

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Packaging it with the water bottles is a little weird

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But because we've danced all over that water bottle for the last two Jim Baker episodes a lot of water ball

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I felt like it was like there's so much meat here. Let's not jump into that

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Although I will say we learned that the water bottle he's been burying the lead on this. Yeah

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It's not just for drinking river water. Oh, it also apparently

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Alkalizes your water. I did not know that he's not brought that up

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I've always needed my water alkalized it PA it brings the pH up sure, which I should say

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Be careful with that

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Like I understand the idea that people think acid bad base good or something like that or but if you do too much

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Trying to bring up either direction. Yeah. Yeah, it's very it's very dangerous. Not good

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No, that's not to say drinking alkalized water, isn't it?

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Like that alone is dangerous, but go too far with it. It can really fucking hurt. You know, it's crazy those water bottles

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Turn the frogs gay. That's what they do. That's what they've done a long time

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frogs a long time so long silent and giggling co-host Laurie Baker now comes in

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With a story doesn't just giggle. She also says Wow

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Wow Wow

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So she comes in with a story and this this is kind of fun

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Because it gives us a little bit of flavor of what Laurie is like

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Okay, but then it gives us a bigger picture into what Jim is like as a husband

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Oh, I'm not gonna like based on his reaction at the end of this story. Oh, he's gonna hit somebody

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I actually live in that area down at the bottom of that mountain near Safford, Arizona for a

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Time I actually lived in the Four Corner area for a time another one of the portal areas

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I have spent a

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Like a second home Sedona and Oak Creek Canyon

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So I'm like wow, this is blowing my mind thinking that these are these

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portals and I

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Have had so many

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incredible

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Supernatural experiences with the Lord with the Holy Spirit if I told you them some of you would probably turn the TV off and go

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There is no way but I'm telling you you should probably turn the TV off after saying that but I've also seen the demonic side

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supernatural so I

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Know I know that the supernatural world is more real than us really sitting here. I don't know how to explain that in

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Words, but as real as you're here right here, honey, and I'm touching you the supernatural world

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I mean we have angels surrounding us all around us

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It's exciting

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We're in the final stage of

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The last days I believe we're I really did what the hell man

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No wife your wife just told a story about seeing demons and angels

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right, and then you give a pause where everyone's like

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And then you launch off on your new thought

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Yeah, that's the verbal equivalent of being like slap I'm not interested in your story Laurie

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Where there's angels all around us right now

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All right, we're in the final stages of the end times everybody to ignore that

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Bullshit the problem that I have is that like her story isn't out of line with the stuff. They talk about no

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It's right on it's not like that story is in any way like why did she say that?

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Very much like oh, yeah, that's that's part of this yeah, so the whole thing she sees angels she sees demons

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They're all around us right now. They're more real than you and me

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This is something that everybody has literally said in this fucking show yeah, and Baker is just like

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Hey, fuck off. Yeah, I don't want to engage

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Heard it before Laurie. We're not changing the channel

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Why did I marry you?

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There is a there's a sense that maybe this is a little bit one-sided. You know what I'm saying

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Oh, it's and she calls him honey, and yeah, what have you and he's just he's a fucking psychopath though like of course

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He doesn't care about her man wait till we get to the end of this you're gonna see some real

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Disconnect in his brain okay like he's it he

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Psychopath is not accurate. Maybe but definitely he doesn't have feelings, okay?

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But before we get to that

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Tom Horne comes in and he says something he talks for about 30 seconds

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And it teaches me that he knows or he's super into a couple things

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I don't think he should be

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Well and the Watchers who fell down Peter and Jude both described them as being contained under the surface of the earth again

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We're talking about the earth is much more dynamic than people understand much more connected to prophecy

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And they are under the surface of the earth waiting for the day of judgment now

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There is an extra biblical book. It's actually in some

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Orthodox versions of the Bible is called the book of Enoch stop

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Certainly was read by the disciples as quoted by the disciples actually in the New Testament stop it. It's only in two

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Coptic

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Orthodox churches canons, but so the first thing is hollow earth. He's very clearly talking about hollow earth

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That's where the demons are and then also the book of Enoch

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He's into those two things, and I don't think that's great. I'll be honest with you. I don't think it's that great I

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think

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Like what's not great about it well one hollow earth is it's fun to think about but if you believe it

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You're you're out there. Hey come on, man. You're not a serious. You're not a serious you a bit

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You're not a serious thinker sixth president of the United States huge hollow earth guy, but when was that?

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Couple years ago, yeah

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What is it that much different from what our president believes now like

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Everybody's crazy. No these people are fucking stupid. This is dumb. This is shock

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it that's what I'm what I'm hearing from this is

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if you are listening to this, and you're like I

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Want to buy this guy's water bottle you're fucking dumb

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It's this is dumb or or you're

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Suggestible there's there's I don't know there's other ways to get there other than dumb

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I think I think I don't know ah you could be born this takes a lot of dumb

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You could be born into some negative circumstances. Maybe you live in a small town. There's no way out, and you just sort of accept that

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Sort of thing. I don't know. I don't think necessarily dumb comes into it. I feel like dumb is so judgmental

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Yeah, I agree. That's why I'm using that word. They're victims

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That just cuz you're dumb doesn't mean you can't be a victim and just cuz you're a victim doesn't mean you're dumb

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No, but I also don't want to I don't want to or doesn't mean you're not dumb

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I don't want to impugn the the people who are caught up in the hustle

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I do when we are talking about the hustler right right? I understand that that's a that's a wish better for them

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Yeah, no, that's true. It's

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But at the same time god damn it. That's dumb

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It is not least of which because and this is again something that we've talked about

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I want to be taken in if I'm gonna be taken in by a con man

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I want to be taken in by a top-level con men these guys are taking in the dumb

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But also they're just taking advantage of other people's circumstances that they don't have any control over but because of those circumstances

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It's possible that he is a good con man for them

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like some of the things that he's hitting on might trigger things and other people that it doesn't trigger in us true

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So, you know the all I'm trying to say and I don't want this to be some sort of weird

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Everything is relative kind of argument right some things are fairly relative

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Yeah, and a good con man to you is not the same thing as a good man con man to someone in I don't know

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Avaz, Missouri, you know like tiny town of Missouri, you know, who knows I say Avaz because they used to go there when I was a

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Kid, right? There was a lot of portal activity there so much so much portal

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I so we get back to the book of Enoch part. I don't think I made it clear

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Necessarily my why it's bad to be like super into the book of Enoch

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Yeah, I'll get to it a little bit after this clip

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He then though goes on to say this Enoch says when it's going to happen. He says it's going to happen 70

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Generations after the flood so if you know when the flood occurred and what is the generation?

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Well the generation based on Psalms 90 10 is 70 years

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So you would literally say if I could go if I knew when the flood happened I could go 70

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Generations of 70 years which is 4,900 years, right? Good call

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Well the most the the most recent statistics, in fact, there's scientific groups are working on this are called the Holocene impact

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Because they think a meteor hit the earth and that's what caused the flood because they have evidence of a great flood

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They date this to 4,800 to 4,900. They date this to 2,800 to 2,900 BC

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What am I saying all these numbers for bottom line is if that is when the flood happened you count 4,900 years

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Later it brings you to 2015 2016 2017

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It brings you to right now when Enoch says those gates are going to open and the Giants are going to come out now

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You're going so fast our heads are spinning so

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that's

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All right

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Whatever. I don't think the Holocene impact group is a reputable group of scientists. I've been able to glean

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so if we say that 2,800 BC was when the flood happened if we if we

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stipulate that in the argument just say whatever

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This doesn't this is tough to work out with the book of Enoch

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Because Enoch was Noah's great-grandfather according to the Bible

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yeah, and so you use the 70 generate 70 year generations if

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2800 BC was BCE was when the flood happened three generations pack or four generations back would be around

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3,000 BC was when Enoch would have been around. Yeah, but the problem is

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Book of Enoch's oldest parts were written in 300 BC

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Right, and then the most recent parts of them are dated to about 100 BC, right? So when the flood happened, no

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I don't I don't think that anyone makes the argument that Enoch wrote the book of Enoch, right?

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It was in the Enoch. Well, that would be gauche, but it's in the Enochian tradition

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You don't write you don't name the book you write after yourself. That would be that would be very huge

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narcissistic very

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idealistically the rest of the Bible

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I'm not gonna write a book called

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Jordan why not I because I would I would wait until somebody else wrote a book about me called Jordan. Come on

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Hey these sorts of ideas of modesty or modern. I don't want to write a book Dan

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I want to live a life people want to write books about sure and that's fine

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Thanks, thank you, but I also think I think it's Jim Baker

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I think it's fine for the Enoch thing because it's like well

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yes, if Enoch had written the book of Enoch, then that would be a

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severe

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Severe problem that the timeline of when he would have been alive is impossible for when the book was written

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The other problem is that he's only really referenced in a couple books in the Bible only a couple times, right?

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There's maybe like three or four references to Enoch one being that he was along with

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He's one of two people who ever didn't die like God brought him up to heaven yeah

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Yeah, Elijah is the other one. Yeah, two people who have never died or Elijah and Enoch

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That's I believe that's in Genesis. There's a reference to him in Jude

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but

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Hey, Jude, hey

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Hey, Jordan

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There's no reference to him in

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Parts of the Noah story the story of the flood the deluge

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There's no seems like he would talk about his great-grandpa at least once or twice. It was his great-grandfather

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Predicted the flood it would seem incredibly relevant

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But those stories of Noah and the flood were written before the book of Enoch, right?

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So that's why those aren't in that book. Well, they were also written before the book that

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Told about the flood like the flood myth has been around for yeah

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Yeah, let's move. Let's move past that

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I'm saying that this this piece of the mythology would have been present in so many other places

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Yeah, if it were some part that wasn't

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Pseudepigrapha something that was added through a pseudonym much later. Yeah, the Enoch book is

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Interesting. I like it. I think there's a lot of really interesting content. Yeah. Yeah, but my favorite part was when

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Hermione cast the spell in Enoch and

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Turned him into a frog for a while, right? So is that it something something Snape?

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Oh

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There's um, that is the best name to a sequel

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Yeah, something something Snape and the something something Snape and the blue

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I'm liking that yada yada yada and the golden Snape or whatever

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There's a there's a reason that it's not

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Included in the can or the Bible and that's something weird for me to say as someone who really doesn't give a shit and thinks

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There's weird stuff in the Bible. There's plenty of reason just based on like biblical scholarship

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Yeah, look at the times that it was written fact that it was written over the course of like 200 years

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difference between the big like the oldest parts and the newest parts fact that it comes from

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Traditions that are outside of what's deemed mainstream Christianity

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I get it in the fact that he is bringing this in is like a like a strong primary source

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It means to me that he doesn't care about like actual biblical scholarship. Yeah, he cares about like, oh, this is fun

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This this sort of weaves into my already existing belief, but that's the way that they treat science as well

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That's the way that they treat everything trying to create that web. No, I'm no you're helping

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I'm trying to god damn it. You're helping your somehow you're frustrated with running a two-man game Dan. I'm not frustrated by it

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It's just I don't know there's parts of me that think like maybe I should make this less obvious what I'm saying

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Yeah, and then you come in you're like, it's the exact same thing that they do with everything

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I'm trying to my job is to make it as

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Obvious as possible. Yeah, that's a fair point. That's what I do

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Jesus I just I just hate I hate so much how these assholes spend all of their time

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Demonizing scientists who are running CERN right trying to figure out how fucking matter works

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Mr. And then you know and the moment they're like, oh

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and as far as

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Giants and portals go there's a group of scientists who look you don't you can't trust all the other scientists

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But these guys confirm what you already know using science

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So now whenever somebody disagrees with you with their science guess what you have your own science now the the fake science that you have

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Has no backing in it at all. There's no double-blind studies. No, you're reviewing. There's two cameras though

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But if we got them or we got to court we had no about orbs. Yeah

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When was the last time certain talked about orbs? Yeah, get them. Yeah. I actually know a guy who worked at CERN. Yeah

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Yeah, weird. I actually know a guy made of orbs interesting. Yeah, is it? What was that game specter?

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No, what was it? There's a there's a Genesis game. Where's a guy made of balls? Who cares?

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Oh, no, I actually know what yeah. Yeah now I know what you're talking about. I can't remember the name of it

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ball man, um

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No, it was weird this guy when I used to run a comedy show this guy used to come out to it every week

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But he'd show up late and we had a dance party afterwards

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I like after the comedy show he'd show up late and then he was kind of like probably like a mid late 50s year old guy

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Kept to himself. He'd show up for like the last 20 minutes of the show and then dance like crazy

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Love it

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and so I was very confused by him and I couldn't figure out like what the fuck is going on with this guy and

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so

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Around that time Mike Timlin very funny comedian. Yes, Mike Timlin

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He became one of our interns at that point. I was like the first night I grabbed him. I was like Timlin

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Your first job is to find out what that guy's deal is right because I want to ask him and I fucking can't I can't

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Emotionally do it and I just need to know why he's here cuz I he's not threatening

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He wasn't dancing and grabbing on people, right? He wasn't a problem, but he confused the shit out of me

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This is the first known abuse of an intern at no very first one it worked first time an intern has ever been abused like

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This so at the end of the night Timlin comes over to me. He's like Dan. I talked to him and turns out

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He works at the Hadron Collider CERN. He's Swiss

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He's on vacation and he's doing he's here for a season in Chicago

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He's a long vacation and he loves yoga

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So he's late because he goes to yoga class but likes to dance and also likes the show

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He wishes he could come on time, but yoga class is more important

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There's a lot there's a lot going on with that guy's life, but I was also like Timlin

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You are the best intern ever you got all of the information that you've ever wanted. I started talking to him

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He's a super nice guy

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We never really clicked but the headline you and Timlin or no

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I mean Timlin clicked great, but not the certain guy not the certain guy

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So the headliner on that show was or maybe I don't remember if it was that show or a couple weeks later

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Shawn Flannery headline very comic here in Chicago. Fantastic. Amazing storyteller. Brilliant. Amazing.

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So he headlined the show and afterwards he and this guy who worked at CERN

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ended up at the bar next to each other and became

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fast friends and the guy who worked at CERN ended up doing the blackout diaries

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That's awesome. That's crazy. The two of them kept in touch. That's amazing. That's fantastic. He was a super nice guy

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so

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The only story I have with CERN the only story I have that relates to that is a there is a karaoke bar

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a tiki themed karaoke bar

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Is it on Belmont? No, no, no, it's off of

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No, no, there's too many tiki themed karaoke bars. I think it's on Lincoln and

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There is this guy who comes dressed in scrubs

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Which makes you think he comes directly from the hospital or whatever

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Come on. Ah, all right. You want me to get away with that? All right

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But he fucking he sings every third song he goes hard this dude his entire life is

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Wearing scrubs and singing these songs and I've always wanted to ask him whether or not he actually worked at a hospital

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Or if it was just sort of it was just yeah, I've never I never had the courage

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He was tiny that's why you need Timlin. He was like five foot four if I had an intern

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I would know everything about that guy. It was the best tiny little man best having Timlin to go ask people questions

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I couldn't ask we needed Timlin. Oh god. Oh Jesus. I'll get back into stand-up so I could get an intern for this show

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Yes, holy shit not gonna do it bless you by the way, you know, I'm like, you know, I can't do it

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No, I can't I can't convince an intern to help us out. So this has been fun

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This has been the Dan and Jordan talk about stuff not related strictly speaking to the episode now. Let's jump back in

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Okay, Jordan

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I texted you and I told you before the show that I have a damning piece of information an

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incredibly damning piece of information that

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Indicates to me that Jim Baker and Tom Horne have not in any way wrestled with

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What the Bible is right what its cultural historical context is. It's a book. They know that's from the past

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so Tom Horne is on here and he's hawking of his

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translation of the seppuku

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Sepuagint the you know, you know that is no

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Jesus man, what the hell so what it is is it's you mocked me for making you you

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You condescended to me for calling people dumb and now you're gonna call me dumb like that. I'm not gonna call you dumb

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I just hope you notice I explained it ahead of time. All right, it's a it's the earliest

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Greek translation of like the Pentateuch or the the yeah

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Yeah, okay the first five books of the Testament and then it added in over time

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it was something that was worked on for years and added in a bunch of like

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a profit books sure and what are called Deuteronomy due to Deuteronomy old books?

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Yeah, yeah sort of second those I got so he's he's selling a

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Translation into English of the Septuagint, right and I pronounce that terribly and I don't worry about it

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It's weird. There's too many vowels in places. You don't expect it. It's fine. They say something

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here that is deeply

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deeply

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Deeply flawed so he wrote fanfiction. No, huh?

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I believe that his translation is probably actually accurate from the Greek of that. Okay, I would believe that I'm not sure

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I haven't read it. I haven't checked it. I'm gonna go with fanfic

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I'm gonna say it's not a great translation. I bet it's fine. Okay, but

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In this clip Jim Baker says something in response to him talking about this Septuagint

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and then

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Something weird happens. So this would be that the the Bible that the disciples would have been

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reading from and

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Jesus, you know, this is red. We have the word but he would have read from John

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We're out of fun for Laurie's house again, and it we're just eking it out

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We have like two weeks and we can open the house. I mean two weeks

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Well, I mean, it's not gonna be open, but we're gonna we're gonna have permit from the fire marshal

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Yes to go in right in two weeks. All right, if we finish a few more things

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Yeah, I gotta get some water faucets on too as well. We need about two really two hundred thousand to finish it all

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It's so weird, it's so weird to have an entire episode where they discuss the reality of portals and

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Reptiles with halos and then they're like once the fire marshal gives us the permit

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I have the tubs in, we just need faucets. I need two hundred thousand dollars. Two hundred grand for faucets. And that ad pivot was hard

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That was hard. So much that you missed the turn over you yelling. Yeah, I think it'll still come up in the audio

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But like he was like he's talking about the Septuagint. Yeah, he's talking about this is what the disciples read

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Yeah, and then Laurie is like isn't that amazing? Listen. Yeah, listen. I know

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That's that's what I was saying. Well, because he was just telling her to shut the fuck up

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Well, because his old ass mind is so like oh, I've got on the thought that I need to sell. Yeah, shut up woman

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Yeah, we need to sell. I need to make that house that's named after you

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crazy, so

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The the ad pivot aside and we'll get to in the next clip. We'll get into like this being incredibly fucked up, right?

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This is the Bible. This is where we're talking about the Bible that Jesus would have read. So Jim and Tom are both

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Suggesting that the Septuagint is the is like some sort of different scripture or pure scripture

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And if they're saying that it's the one that the Apostles read it's the pre Bible Bible

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This is a deeply flawed idea

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The biggest problem is that most of if not all of Jesus's disciples were illiterate

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Professor of theology at the University of London Catherine Hessler estimates the literacy rate at the time an area when the Apostles were alive

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Would have been approximately 3% almost entirely made up of what you'd call the cultural elite the priests and academics of the day

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Yeah of which the disciples were definitely not

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specifically and purposefully not you had Andrew Peter James and John who were all fishermen who would

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100% not know how to read or were fisher of men

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Well, that's why that metaphor is used because most of his disciples were fucking fishermen because in Galilee that a very vibrant

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fishing economy

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It's crazy

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There were some indications that Judas was previously a thief which doesn't require education

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Matthew was a tax collector, but that position was actually what it entailed in its proper historical context is less

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Someone who audits spreadsheets or does accounting is more someone who literally takes coins from people and delivers them to someone else

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More of a courier or even just someone who sits at a booth when people come and bring them money as he's described to be

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in Matthew 9

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Simon is described as a zealot which likely means that he was a political agitator against the Roman government

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Which is more of a rabble-rousing kind of thing compared to political activists that we're used to today

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Most of whom know how to read back then. It was more just like a

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I'm gonna throw a rock

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The rest of them were likely fishermen, but it's unspecific for a bunch of the dudes in Jesus's posse

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The assumption is fairly safe though as the Bible describes Thomas and Bartholomew

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Had being caught off-guard fishing at some point and like I said Galilee was a major fishing port back

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there was a big piece of the economy and

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The idea of that like one of the most famous scriptures and the famous sayings of Jesus is I will make you fishers of men

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Doesn't really make sense unless you're talking to a bunch of fish guys

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Yeah, and that is the that is the profession for most of his they would not have known how to read

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They knew how to tie knots though, Dan, and that's all you needed

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So the idea that Jim Baker is selling this and Tom Horne is selling this

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Septuagint as being what the Apostles would have read is fucking horseshit

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They don't know how to read they didn't know how to write and a lot of people might be saying well

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How did they write the books that are ascribed to them? They did well

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If you take that to its next logical conclusion

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They didn't write those books except for and it wasn't and not any of the synoptic Gospels

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But Paul was almost certain. Yeah, I believe I believe Saul or Paul Paul was

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But some of the letters that are ascribed to Paul definitely he didn't write right even along the lines of like all of the

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Everything in the Bible wasn't written by the person that they say it was almost across the board

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fantastically

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Jesus most people believe to be either a rabbi or or the like a

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a you know

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Misrepresentation of a writer he was most likely able to read well, it's possible. There's actually two

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There's two main culprits. I believe in terms of like historical Jesus

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I don't I haven't looked into this in a long time

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This is based on drunk conversations with I had I had with like professors who my friends my dad's friends with yeah

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Yeah, so like from my understanding what most biblical scholars

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Believe is that there are conflations of who Jesus was. Yeah, and that the Jesus who got

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Crucified is not the same Jesus who said all the sayings that are really popular

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Right, the Jesus who said all the sayings was a rabbi around that time. Yeah mentioned in like Josephus

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Who was absolutely literate because yeah part of the priest class. Yeah, of course now the Jesus who got crucified

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around that time was a

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Criminal named Jesus and throughout time those two personas have been blended into one now

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I don't know if that's totally true. That's just something that I that's something that it was passed on to me by professors

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Could be wrong. They also weren't saying that's a hundred percent the truth

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that's just what indications are because what most people historical record around then of

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That would match what's said in the Bible is thin

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Yeah

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It's not there isn't a ton that

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Matches up so you have to sort of make piecemeal out of it in the same way that if you're reading the Dead Sea Scrolls

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You got to fill in gaps

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Yeah

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And scholars know how to do that much better than dumbass Tim Horne and if you're if you're writing a book about a guy

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Several hundred years after he was already dead. You just start picking and choosing what you want. Yeah. Well, I mean Tom Horne does

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Yeah, so now important more importantly I think I mean the biggest thing I want to say is that the fact that

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Fucking none of these dudes are being like the Apostles couldn't read, you know

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Like that's just a truth of you would never you would never accept that

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so many modern Christians today would never ever accept that the Apostles weren't anything other than the

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Exemplary human beings of the day. Yeah

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Yeah, we could how could because we believe that literacy is the norm

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How could they write those letters Dan if they didn't know how to read huh?

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What is it? Just a bunch of X's everybody knows all those red

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Oh, they are the epistles were written by all the Apostles at the time that makes sense. Oh, it makes sense

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Epistle apostle call it a day. No. No you say epistle

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I say apostle call the whole thing off the the thing the thing of like

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actual

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Writership and stuff like that is all

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Sort of none of them none of them wrote any of that juggling balls

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Yeah, but like I said while you were on that riff, you know

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Like the epistle apostle riff that one, okay

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We assume that literacy is so common now that it must have always been right and it's not and also it's not now everywhere

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but

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The sept the septuagint is nothing special. He's selling it as if it's like a purer version of Scripture. It's the original Bible

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It's what the Apostles would have read. It's a hipsters, but I say that over and over and over again

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It is nothing special at all. All it is is a name given to the translation of the Pentateuch

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Or the Torah which later grew to include many of the rest of what would be the Old Testament

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Like Joshua judges Ruth and the like it also contained books that we later sent to the pseudepigrapha like Tobit and first through fourth Maccabees

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The septuagint is nothing special really

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It's just a collection and translation of already existing religious texts and writings

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That was the result of a project started in approximately 300 BCE

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That's concluded around 132 BCE. The name is derived from a story of how it came into being

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Allegedly Ptolemy of Egypt requested 72 rabbis

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Translate their texts for him into Greek from the original Hebrew so he could have a copy in the library of Alexandria

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Magically because God each of these 72 working independently created identical copies of the translation

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This story is generally thought by scholars to be bullshit

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Because it traces back to the letter of Aristeas

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Which due to dating of styles and textural clues almost certainly could not have been written by the person that claims to be written by

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Princeton Theological Seminary professor Bruce Metzger described the letter thus quote

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Most scholars who have analyzed the letter have included that the author cannot have been the man he represented himself to be

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But was a Jew who wrote a fictitious account in order to enhance the importance of the Hebrew scriptures by

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Suggesting that a pagan king had recognized their significance and therefore arranged for their translation into Greek

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So yeah most

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View the letter of Aristeas which has the kernel the beginning of the story of the septuagint

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As being one of the early examples of religious propaganda. Yeah, so that's fun, too

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Hey guys all this is fun. You're you're con men

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They are con and based on the cons from way back when but the cons back then make more sense

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I think a little bit

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Really you don't think so what cons a con man. Yeah, what do you mean? They make more sense?

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I don't know cons a con. They're clearly much more successful

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It's much more. It's interesting though. They're harder to see through uh

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I mean, I think that's distance right like isn't it easier to see through Scientology than it is to see through Christianity

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Yeah, it's just cuz it's old it requires scholars, and yeah people who understand context telling

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Scientology you're just like well, that's fucking stupid. What are you talking about aliens drove b20 b52 bombers?

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You're fucking stupid. Yeah, or how easy it is to see through Jim Baker as opposed to some religious figure even in

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1700s yeah, so

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Jordan it is it's just interesting it really is to know that this con has been going on for

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Thousands of years, it's the same fucking con well

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Did why why have people have different angles on it back then and also now right?

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There's various cons being played sort of it's a con that's evolved, but ultimately what it is is. It's a short circuit of

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The human brain right there is something that the human brain simply cannot get past and that's why this con works

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Yeah

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So you you see so many people getting conned in the same way and you can take comfort in the fact that people like this

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Have been getting conned since the birth of humanity and the con always ends up being about money

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It always or it could also be about sex

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That's also true a lot of cons are about banging. Yeah, there's some money in that too. I think somehow

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But be the cache a if you will maybe I don't know look putting that aside at the end of the last clip before we got

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Off on that Jim doesn't understand that the Apostles were illiterate and yet the Septuagint is really

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He said that they need

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200,000 more dollars to open Lori's how to put those sinks in he made that harsh and fire

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Marshall won't even give them the go-ahead without those

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$200,000 sinks and now that makes it that much weirder that he says this he gets he starts preaching

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Towards the end of this this stretch. This is really fucked up. What can can you do that?

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You just talked about aliens portals

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Demon reptiles and then you're gonna try and preach now, but but it's more like all that stuff put aside

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It's more important that very recently a couple minutes earlier on the show. He was asking for

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$200,000 to finish Lori's okay here. We go the Sun and the moon is gonna be darkened

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yeah, we are here now folks and

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You must get this book to you must get the path of the immortals

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Why this is for any inquiring mind anybody who really wants to dig in and this is Bible backing up?

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You say I don't believe all that stuff. Well

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Find out read the Bible find it. See if it's in the Bible the portals, you know, we got to start

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Start stopping. We got to stop

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Letting people in the pulpit tell us what is right and what is wrong and what is

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God and what is not God without checking it to make sure

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Because we have a whole generation that loves money more than anything else

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Literally we have in the church in the last several decades we have become

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lovers of money and the Bible says that neighbors the root of all evil is

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The love of money and so we have changed the Word of God. We have another gospel today and

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The real gospel nobody really wants it because it says come and die

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That's a that's a rough start right there, right?

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That is the most that is if you are not going to say this as soon as I am that is the most

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Alex-jonesian thing that he could ever have done it is immediately. That wasn't what I was gonna say immediately

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First thing he says right you can't trust anybody unless you go verify it in the Bible now

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Of course, I'm telling you it so you don't need to go check it

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I've already and in fact multiple times on this episode said things that are

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Ludicrous biblically and in and because I said them and then because I told you to go check whether or not I said them

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You can trust that I am confident that you will go check what I say

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So you don't even need to go check what I say because we both know that you already checked what I say

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Even though you didn't need to that's the maybe second thing I would point out about that clip

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Then we get to the money part. That's crazy. The money part is a

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A Alex Jones to the fucking tee Jim. You went to fucking prison

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For scamming people for money. All people want these days is money. We got a generation

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whole generation these

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Millennials with their money grubbing all they want is money

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I mean, yeah, most of them haven't gone to prison for frauding people. I'd see if they want the money

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I just have to live in their world and I know how to live in their world because the Bible told me to take

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Their money and you don't even need to check on that because you can read it. Yeah, that's in the Bible

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He's also saying that like in the church for the last couple decades the church

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There's been like people who are into money is like hey Joel Osteen Jim a couple decades ago. He went to prison for that

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Don't bring up yourself

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That's crazy. Also, what about all the prosperity gospel people that you have on your show as guests who talk about seeds

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like a Paula White Cane was very

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Clearly doing prosperity gospel shit on his show as every guest of his does. I know you are but what am I Dan?

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It's crazy. No, you are but what am I it's crazy to me? Like what are you saying? All right now in

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That regard based on what you just said, please accept me when I say if you buy that shit, you're dumb. Yeah, it's pretty dumb

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Yeah, that's dumb. Well, but if you can't if you hear that and you're like

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Wait, if you're not like if you don't have that you don't even have a second of like maybe this guy

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You know what? I still believe this guy fucking clearly loves money. He kind of loves money

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Yeah

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Did he just say he needed 200 grand for faucets and then bitched about how everybody else was all about money?

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It's weird weird gets even weirder in this next clip the very

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The very

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The four horsemen of the apocalypse really

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Scrambling that the last one is there's going to be death

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By the disease from the animals. What is HIV AIDS? Where does it come from?

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Well, I'm the animals all these diseases coming from the animals

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What I thought elephants were gonna kill people or lions are tight, but it was one word

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what word was wrong and

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We have a lot of doctrine built on one word. I don't understand what that means, but it's not that important

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We'll talk it's so weird, but we'll talk about it. I just want to know why you thought alien

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I why did he pick elephants? Why were elephants gonna kill people?

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I can tell you that what he said before that clip started doesn't explain it. I have no idea

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I love it's hold on hold on. We have people that trying to say it above all God wants you to be rich

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Yeah, I know I bore you with that thought but it's not one in the Bible

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It is not in the Bible. It is not in the Bible

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Above all God does not want you to be rich, right?

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Holy shit, right. What the fuck is happening?

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See, this is the other car that's going off the rails now easier for a rich man to get through the eye of a needle

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Than it is for him to get into heaven Dan, right? That's just fact that is just fact

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The Bible says that but and that is why I need

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$200,000 for these fucking sinks. Do you understand that? What he's doing is he's

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basically

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Refuting a lot of the the ideas that he generally previous the idea. Is it like it's a seed you're planting you give me money

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It's coming back that sort of thing. He does that a bit as do most of his guests

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He's refuting that say God doesn't want you to be rich. You should give all the money here. It's gonna be better that way

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Yep, it makes me feel like he's in trouble in May

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Like maybe he doesn't need that 20,000 for the sinks. Maybe he owes back taxes or something like that

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Yeah, that's entirely possible. This is about after he filed. Yeah, he's not a 401c now, is he?

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He's not a he's not a church. He's still gotta use now. He's still gotta pay taxes

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There's no way he gets tax exempt status, man. It would be wild if he went to prison for fraud

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You don't then just get to jump back into tax exempt status and his church is very political

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Profit-based and profit-based, but it's same thing with that Courtney Brown with the farsighted. Yeah

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Organizations once well once called the farsighted

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Right. I like this is crazy. I love that. We've added Jim Baker because

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Jim Baker is the per so

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The way I saw low stakes the way so no no the way that I see the the we previously did Alex and Carrie

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Right, right and to me Alex is

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Alex is so money motivated that it's kind of boring at a certain extent and Carrie Carrie is money motivated

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But she also has a little bit more of that love of the game to her much more

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She likes being she likes to be she likes being wild for being wild sakes, right?

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Right Jim Baker is the perfect mix of the two that is the most hungry no money-grubbing man

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And at the same time he's like fuck. Yeah, let's talk about reptoids disagree

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Well, yeah, I agree with that part in terms of the mix of the two. Yeah, but the the thing is so one time

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I don't know. This is just a thought that came to me. So my I don't like a lot of Wes Anderson movies

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Generally speaking. I think a lot of them are too twee too cute. All of these are fair criticism

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I don't like the idea that in a lot of them children act like adults. I think that's stupid. That's a Salinger thing, whatever

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be that as it may one time I was talking to my brother about it and

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He who said that one of the things that he really appreciates when you look at the bigger body of Wes Anderson's work

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Is that most of the movies?

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You could take them and they embody the spirit of being a certain age. So you take

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like

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To interesting argument any interesting are you give me the movie? I'll tell you the age you're at

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Let's go. Well, let's start at the beginning bottle rocket bottle rocket is when you're in your like aimless 20s

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Okay, you're like I should have amounted to something and I didn't okay and you do sort of struggling through like wow

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Maybe I'll become a bank robber

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All right

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Is that sort of thing where it's maybe possible that that's the life for you and you entertained stupid

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Possibilities and that spirit isn't captured. All right in bottle rocket

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all right moonrise kingdom moonrise kingdom is when you are like 12 and you fall in love with somebody and it seems so

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Epic when it's really not they play out the theme of it being like this profound

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Beautiful thing that you have to fight for when in reality. It's not it's the idea of your first love is embodied in moonrise kingdom

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Okay

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Magnificent. Mr. Fox that's real early childhood. Okay, that's sort of like a that one. I kind of don't buy

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I have not said that one's a different story. I haven't seen that you did

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And also

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and also this theory was

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This theory was pitched to me before that came out

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All right, so I assume you have a prepared answer for

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A lot of this is prepared. You have a prepared answer for royal tenenbaums and yeah royal tenenbaums

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Yeah

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No

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That way you are watching your your parents get old and that was now your whole life has become like the disillusionment

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of the past generation and then the the the life aquatic is when you come to the end of your career and you

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Realize you're no longer useful in the way that you used to be that sort of struggle

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So each of his movies have like this profound not rite of passage necessarily

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but this pivot point in people's lives these really profound moments and that

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Allowed me to appreciate some of the movies more in a way that you didn't previously

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Yeah, and I appreciate because just in the watching of the movie. You're kind of like this is twee bullshit

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Yeah, and it's not like I hated them

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But I didn't like them that much no and I appreciated that theory very much

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and the only reason I bring this up has been fucking long-winded as hell is that I think what we have is

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different periods in a propagandists career

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Depicted by these three you just tied that all together

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Fantastically we have Carrie who's I mean in age. They're all probably around the same

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Yeah, pretty much because Alex is well, Alex is Alex is younger than Jim Baker and yeah

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Yeah, Jim Baker is like a hundred. How old is Jim Baker? He's Methuselah

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He's a million years old right that guy's gonna be conning long after we're dead when Alex is

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Presumably 45 or something like that. Yeah, whatever carry beard is

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50s probably Baker's 70 yeah age aside you have Carrie still hungry

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She's still out there and great searching for the true money motivated. So that part is sort of you take that as red

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Hey, it's the capitalist system. You have Carrie and she's crazy and still like I will talk to like I texted you earlier

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I listened to an episode today where she was interviewing a guy who was a dishwasher about how he created a warp drive

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Why would you do that? Unless you're fucking hungry and you're hoping that he's not like you're going for the you're going for it

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Yeah, that's a big swing. You're gonna miss most of the time but a couple times it's gonna be a home run

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. She's willing to she's the Adam Dunn of conspiracy. We're going to take those cuts

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Yeah, then you got Alex Jones who is just like I'm in the middle of this. I've made some mistakes

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I'm a shithead

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Whatever. I don't get I don't care. I've fallen in with the wrong crowd. Yeah, I'm in the middle of this

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I'll try and probably get redemption later. He's resigned. Yeah currently he's resigned

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He's like I am this is my fate and I am resigned to it

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And then Jim Baker is the guy who's waiting to die. Yeah, he's over the hill

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He's still just doing this because it's what he knows how to do right and is decently good at it to some extent

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Well, if you go to prison for it, and then you go back to doing it. That is what's called recidivism. Yes

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Yes, that is exactly what that's called. He kind of doesn't give it. This is the only thing I know

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He's in his late career. He's the Steve Zissou of the cons. Not bad way to bring it back

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Yeah, so there is that I appreciate that picture of these people that like different stages of the con

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Yeah, but not the con. No the life of the con is the same

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It's just the it's just the the growth chapters of the con

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I want where's our where's our because we need to find our Margeau

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We need to find our young con. No need to find our like there's no millions of them

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Well, yeah, I mean we got we got the other assholes, but they're too angry now. Yeah, that's true

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I want a con. I want a young con who's who's got who's selling a message of hope

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it's hard it's hard to find that cuz all of the the young cons now are all about and we're gonna kill everybody and

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We're get them fired from Disney or whatever the fuck it is

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They do know the the the twisting of the right wing has really hurt the con business

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It has hurt the cause it's become almost a magnet for those people because they realize how easy it is to get your shit

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Not hard you get your shit reposted like crazy and just say the right inflammatory things

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Yeah, and so these people very like if you are a con person

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You're obviously more motivated by publicity more motivated by traction than you are from actually substance

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Yeah, so our young Connors are like the the Fox News 21 year olds

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But they're like, oh, is it Laura Loomer or something like that? Isn't she she's like what what sir?

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What are the ones that are like Laura Loomer doesn't have a career? No, it's the it's the what's the one who fucking and nevermind

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I don't need to know their name. Amy Loran. Tommy Loran. Yes. Yes her she's the young con. She's not even a con person

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She's just a talking head on TV. She couldn't do it her on her own. Oh, yeah. No, that's true

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So you could say like a Ben Shapiro or something like that, but that guy sucks. Yeah, it's shitty at the con

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Yeah, he doesn't he's not he's not playing the exact same game now and there's also other

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Difficulties to that like this is our spin-off show

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Dale and Jordan rate whether or not somebody could become a good con do they have the chop? Yeah, do they got the chops?

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trying to think I don't know man, like there's a

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Looking at people who come up on infowars from time to time

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I can't think of anybody who's got the goods like Owen Schroyer doesn't have no but I'm also thinking about guests

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If there's anybody who he's had on who's like there's a spark of something here. There's nobody

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Do you think it might the other problem that I think is important is that if you're going to become a?

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Legit con person in the vein of the the trio that we talked about

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One of the most important pieces is that you need a backup support system. Yeah, so for Carrie, it's people like Mark Richards

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It's people like right right weirdo from England who bangs around with an alien

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Yeah, you need a cast of rebels Simon you need a oceans 11, right? Yeah for Alex

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It's Steve Pachannik now Roger Stone before that Larry Nichols

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Gerald Cilenti all these guys Craig Roberts. Yeah for Jim Baker. It's all these weird prosperity gospel preachers that come in

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like the Tom Horns

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And we're here theory Steve our our generation of the con is

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Crowdsourced our generation of the con our greatest con men are like go to our patreon are like your your four chance

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Like it's it's a it's a collective mind. It's a hive mind con. That's who's coming up

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It's the 14 and 15 year olds. It's the 25 year old or the 35 year old five year old on

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Pretending they're 14 year old exactly exactly who are on 4chan who are just writing fanfic and then throwing it out into the world

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And they all amplify it together. Yeah, I don't think we're gonna have that same charismatic con

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all of our charismatic leaders are going to be on the other side or or that because of what I was talking about earlier with a

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Magnetization of all this to the right because yeah not happening towards the left right you have people on the left who are conning

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presumably

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Ostensibly on the left people like the Louise mentions. Yeah. Yeah, but that's so that's not a yeah

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That's so minor to be larger conversation of like what the left is. I don't think that there is I

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Don't think there are valid

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Media folks on the left who are doing the con right as it as it were right rare

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I think there are fringe voices like her but like but if you're on the left and you're

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fighting against the con

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Like the con is ultimately a right-wing grift. The con is always a I don't think it always has been no

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But it's all the con is always I'm going to convince you to act against your own

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Interests by making you think that your interests are the interests of me. Sure

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That's the con but so like if you want to go with your you're like

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Alexandria, you know she is not a Cortez

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She could fucking con the shit out of people but she's on the left

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And so her idea is I'm going to take your interests and I'm gonna make them my interests

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And thus we're all gonna be moving forward. Maybe the reason that I have pause is that I don't think that that's always been the tableau

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Where the left is no no, no, no, don't don't disagree. I don't don't yeah. Yeah, don't extrapolate that too far

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I'm talking about now, but I think even as early as like

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Five years ago that might not have been the case. You know what I mean? You think so?

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Well, I think there's still media figures on the left who were trying to make a lot of like a fuck

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Look and a lot of them though that they they're more entrenched in like magazine journalism. Yeah

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Yeah

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They don't know that radio shows right in the same way as the guys on the right that we but that's probably just because

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That's where they got a gig

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As opposed to the right-wing is so entrenched in the media sphere through the Koch brothers

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Frying and what-have-you. I don't know. It's it's that's an interesting conversation for another day

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spend hours on

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What are we fantasy drafting con men? Is that what we're doing? I think a little bit

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But we can't because you're you're you're right in a way that I wasn't expecting not like I think you're dumb or wrong

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But like I do think that there's something to be said for that the idea of the crowdsourcing the con

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In terms of these message boards and shit, but here's what I think

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in reality is

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There will rise

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Some other con man on

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YouTube or in some form I don't know could be could make his own channel or something like that

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It's a Dan prophecy is what this is. I'm not I just expect is probably the most natural progression history rhymes

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Well, but the thing is that you have

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Examples of this that have hit the wall already. Yeah people like a Mike Cernovich or something like that

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but there will be someone who creates their own thing and

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And it won't be that the four chains the red. It's all that stuff. All that crowdsourcing will be the con

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Yeah, but that will be

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Unnamed the backdrop for the con that'll be your that'll be your system. That'll be your pachannic

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Exactly be your stone exactly fortune

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but the problem with that and the reason why I think that is a unsustainable economy is because

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What makes it work with pachannic and what makes it work with Roger Stone is that?

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They will show their face and talk right. They will be on the show and say things that Alex can use as

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This is this is evidence of blank. Whereas if you have a message board, that's this hive mind that again

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You're right is creating fanfic basically, right?

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You can't really bring them on as guests unless you just make them all anonymous

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representatives like that and that doesn't carry the same weight, but that's when we start getting into rhizome theory wherein is it?

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Yeah, I would say so

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Fair enough fair enough. No, I am interested

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The most obvious thing that everybody could think now, we're into rhizome theory

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That joke on my part was a hundred percent me trying to bail myself out of being very confused about

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the connection you're making

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What what like I mean the most popular version of rhizome theory is

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like ghost in the shell like that kind of concept out of the out of the

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out of 4chan out of this nebulous mass of hive mind will come a

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Representative of that sure will be the face of it. Well, we already have that with QAnon, right?

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But but there will be a person who is the embodiment of this QAnon who it never mind

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Well, that'll happen once we're able to really perfect this

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yes, like

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facial

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Recon like oh, yeah, my might actually be a fake

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It's like that Al Pacino movie like that Al Pacino movie. There we go scent of a woman now. I

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Was gonna go with devil's advocate, but all right. All right

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All right, let's get back. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's right. That's right. We're

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Hold on. Where are we talking about CERN at some point at some point?

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We've mostly moved past CERN. Okay, CERN will come back up

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Okay, but before we get there, so like just to put a button on all that that we were talking about before we went off

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On that tangent. Yeah, dude, Jim Baker

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Shut the fuck up. Like yeah, you are one of you are the

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the

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archetypal example of someone using religion to make money

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Yeah, so you coming on and being like there's a disease about loving money

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Yeah, you're still doing it. You are you you are the archetypal example because of when you went to prison and now you're still

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Doing it, baby

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And that's why that one lady goes on and says if it weren't for you

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You were the trailblazer if it weren't for you you paved the way man for the people who can scam

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Yeah, if it weren't for you, we wouldn't have to deal with fucking Joel Osteen you fucking asshole

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So here's an interesting thing before we get back to this clip. I don't know why I need to extend this but

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The the con we're talking about. Yeah, I think Paula White Cole is doing a really poly white cane

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Yeah

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It's a great job with the con in many ways in terms of her doing the prosperity gospel stuff

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And yes worked herself into the president's ear

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We're all gonna die, but she's not doing the con, right?

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because before

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We did that episode you had no idea who she was

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Uh-huh, what's guessing most of our listeners had no idea that was exactly what I was about when you brought her name up

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I was like she's but I didn't know who she was until you said it. So yeah

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I think she's perfect much into the influence side of the con and not so much into the the PR side, right?

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Yeah, formative side and that means that she's not in the con. Yeah, she's a power player

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Yeah, who is very very clear like once she starts talking, you know the game, right?

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But she's someone who's more interested in like beltway politics. I'm sure she's an influencer

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She's like she's like the insta these she's like the Instagram gun where it's like you if you follow her

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She's got sponsored content that you don't know

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Attempts embedded exactly exactly content, which is very clear to anyone who's not a fucking ding-dong. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely

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I think it's a different kind of con. I don't think it's fair to put it in the same world as

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It's a internet con. It's an offshoot. Yeah. All right. So anyway, we're still doing the show, right? Yes. Okay. Um

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One of the things that we always talk about is like trying to connect these worlds to each other

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Which I think we've done a decent job in these derivations that we've gone off on but I would just say that

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Here's another one where Tom

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Boy, this sounds like something that could just be said on Alex's show or project Camelot any of them really?

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But sometimes

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Become the portal and that was what happened with the Watchers. They wanted a methodology

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They wanted a way of leaving their fixed estate. That's what Peter says

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That's what Jude says those angels which kept not their page invitation. They're there their estate

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They wanted to enter into our reality

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They had to come up with a way of doing that because they didn't want to just they didn't want to be like demons

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They don't want to just possess somebody in whom the spirit of man still dwell. That would be very incarnation

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This was an affront to God and they figure

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Now these angels couldn't speak into existence like God can but they participated in creation

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They knew at least as much about genetics as our scientists do today

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Well, what does all of the ancient records say they came down they took the genetics of women the genetics of animals

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I don't mean they created a unique biological entity

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Into which a man's spirit wouldn't be because it wasn't a man

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The character of an animal wouldn't go into it because it wasn't a cow. It was something entirely

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outside of the divine order

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So he said that and I was listening in like

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Is my boy talking about chimeras? Is my boy talking about chimeras? I'm asking you

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I think he's a little bit you think my boys talking about I think he's I think he's talking about genetic fucking alterations

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This seems chimera adjacent. So real hard angels couldn't speak things into existence

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However, they do know the basic amino acid structure

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Yeah, and thus are capable of altering genes in order to create paint by the way

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I would say the end result is the same God. Hey, hold on. Don't you dare say that?

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I would say you can't just speak amino acids into existence

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I would say like if God's lying in the sand is like you can do the same thing as me

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But I can just go blah and do it

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Not sure

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Not sure. This is a good division of powers. I

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Think that if I were God, I would say hey, I'm gonna reserve that power for myself

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You'd be a shit God these these fucking watchers have found workarounds

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They found pathways

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Any time any time you get really into the weeds of theology sooner or later? They always point out

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Loopholes in their own belief system not true like it really into the weeds of theology scholars. They don't. Oh, yeah

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No, no, of course. No, of course, they talk about the translations of various words. Yeah

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No, they're they're boring. They're nerds. Yeah. No when you get in with these guys, it's always like they create this they create this

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Bullshit God and then this God is dumb enough to have then created bullshit

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Loopholes that allow the dumb things that this dumb God has created to then make God look dumb. I like it's dumb

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I didn't want my minions to do X but I created them with all of the abilities to do X now their argument to that

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Would be that God is super into free will sure and the idea is that you're supposed to choose not to do that

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And I'm pretty sure Calvin would disagree

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Mmm, I'm pretty sure that I'm pretty sure that they're not Hobbes. What about?

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He's not real Dan, that's not real

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What are you talking about the Leviathan? Yep. Yeah, so I was thinking like as I listen to that

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Like I said my boy talking about cameras. Oh, he's talking about it wasn't clear. I'm sure that's not it's not a cow

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Not a cow. So it's not an animal. Nope. It's not a person. Nope

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So it's not a person something's got to get in there, but it's something in between

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Yeah, and that means that angel souls or whatever can get in there elephants

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That's why they were gonna kill us could be that's it. One word was wrong. That'll plague me

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I don't know what he was talking about. What word was wrong? I don't know. Does he not explain it? Nope

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No, I thought for sure we were gonna get that word. Zero context. What? Nope

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You can't just say one word was wrong and then not say what that word was

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No, cuz he started jumping off into like everyone wants money. That's that's where he took that line of thought

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Oh, so that's fucking insane. Anyway, here's where it's really clear. They're talking about cameras now ask yourself

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What's happening in science around the world today in?

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Transhumanism in laboratories around the world here in the United States of America here in Missouri

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We are creating animals with human DNA inside. He's not from as well

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This is it's he's not from Missouri because if he was and he had this voice he would have said, Missouri

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I know that might go right off the top. There you go slide them at the University of Missouri. Yes, we are spider goats

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That's my alma mater. I could tell you with almost categorical certainty. They are not doing 100% making chimeras right now

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They are not 100% making what Zayder goats. They don't have anywhere near the funding for that goats not spider goats

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for xeno transplantation

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Experiments this is happening all across the world. It's the

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The

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Francis published a booklet 150 page booklet if somebody emails mail, so it's actually

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150 page in which they they call at least

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containing human material human animal chimeras and they they assert that they are being created by the

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Thousands in laboratories around the world and some of them they say reaching human cognition

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Animals that begin questioning who am I where they're sad eyes. They're a god

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Oh, they're sad eyes. We're gonna pause there cuz we gotta let this would go

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No, we're gonna we're gonna finish the rest of this clip

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But like you exactly, you know why he's saying that cuz he's friends with Steve Quayle

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Of course, who said the same thing to Alex all of this goes back to Steve Quayle

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God damaged that they've created animal humans that have the ability to cross breed with natural humans

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It wasn't the days of Noah if this isn't a repeat of the scent of the watchers

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I don't know what is but once again you say I've met you open the show yesterday saying how many churches?

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Would know if I said what about CERN what do you know about CERN, right?

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How many people know that in thousands of laboratories around the world? We are creating human animal chimeras

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They're supposed to be destroyed at the embryonic level

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They are John like great Britain from their equivalent of the FDA and says it's they're not all being destroyed

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There's a literal islands of dr. Moreau these

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These would be like a new form of Nephilim. What is it that's in them if they're not animal if they're not human

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What what is it that's in them? What is this is just a less charismatic version of Alex? Yeah, this is the same thing

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This is a bummer. Also. I hate to be petty, but it would be the islands of doctors moreau

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Much much like it's attorneys general. Yes. I gotcha

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This

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Is just another example of them warping things about science that are weird

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These fucking people doing it's all just Steve quail. Oh my god read a book. Well, he unfortunately read a book

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It was written by Steve quail

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So I told you we're gonna get back to CERN and in this next clip we do and this is this is pretty fun

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When the angel comes down with a key to the bottomless pit opens it up and it says they have a king

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Over them down there, which is not on which is called in the Greek tongue Apollyon Apollo

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And of course, that's the spirit that's going to come up and inhabit the Antichrist

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So to build this machine that wants to open a door into another universe

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Right where the ancients said the apollyacom was located is just some kind of unnerving, right?

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Wow

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Yes Wow is correct. Yeah, the other part of that is that's fucking dumb. What is CERN mean

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Translation the name you guys know CER and I know it was originally

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Had a niche

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First of all the answer the long pause and then I used to know I forget not great not great

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But well, you have initials. That's right CERN. It was a French acronym right now

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A lot of people said, you know

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Well, they were doesn't really mean anything and and essentially people thought that it didn't like I said

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It was a French acronym and they they realized, you know, this acronym is just kind of silly

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So they actually ditched the acronym and they kept the name CERN

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Well, my question is what does CERN mean could it have a meaning could it be connected to something else as well?

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What well, it's interesting that in the Wiccan faith that there are two main DDS and the main deity is called the horned

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God or her in the hunter and this horned God if you look back to the conventional name given to it by this

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The seltz am I saying that right? No counts the name given to this deity is

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CERN you nuts and it's actually the god of the underworld

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So he is ready blah that is

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the most wild

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Disconnected bullshit. I think I've heard from somebody who is scrambling to remember

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He's read a blog Zach Zach. How is it that you can say that?

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It used to be a French acronym, but then you cannot say what that acronym stood for

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Well CERN was founded in 1952 and it takes its name from what the group was originally called the Concierge European pour le

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Recerche

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Nucleaire sounds like what counts believed in yep that acronym was substantially better than what they would have ended up with when they changed

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their name in 1954 to the

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organization european pour le recerche nucleaire

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OERN is a shit acronym

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Yeah, so everyone decided to keep CERN as an acronym when they changed their name from Concierge to organization

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So like council to organization. Yeah, they changed the name just based on like a vote

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Yeah, and they're like, you know what? We're not it

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We're not OERN sucks because council suggests that it's a small group of people making decisions

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Organization suggests that it's a large group of people all working together. Yes now

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It's been the organization european pour le recerche nucleaire

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Since 1954 they changed the name then but have kept the the abbreviation CERN because of the kelton

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No, because it's better because the Celts OERN sucks. So one of the reasons that idiot conspiracy theorists in America

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Are probably more prone to target CERN is because we're not a member of the associate

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We have observer status which we've held since 1997 well, that's nice, but we're not an active participant and I think that that sort of

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rankles some feathers

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That's because

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I'm gonna go with Obama's fault. Sure. Sure. Absolutely. I ran deal. Yep. That's what it is. So there's some sort of anti-american

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Projection that I think a lot of people like these folks are feeling about this like what are these damn Europeans doing and

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You can feel it in the same way. There's like I think it's a French acronym

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But like it's a French acronym for the Council of European research into nuclear stuff

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You know like it's the most the simple

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Acronym that you could know if you did any any understanding

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Said it's a French acronym. You research it. He said it's a French acronym like

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One of the words is Satan. No, no, no like acronym in French means something different than here

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Like he's saying it's a French acronym as though who knows what those people think acronyms are those weirdos

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Well, yeah, but it's that aunt. It's that anti

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foreign anti other

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mentality that's just it's it's it's crazy everywhere and it's

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Crazy to me how we began this episode with Jim Baker saying there is only one God

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Jehovah and then at the end of this as we've continued on through this

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Jim Baker believes now that every mythology is real he must yeah, or at least there's some validity like yeah

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They're throwing in every God from everywhere CERN is a Celtic now, but why so what so I apologize

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But I think CERN is actually Danny Ainge, but that's who CERN is

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I think that I think that some of that though we were not unpacking correctly

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I think I think there's a decent amount of that that is like I don't believe this is real, but I'm afraid

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Yeah, yeah that sort of thing that and so I think that there's a little bit of leeway in terms of him not like

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fully ascribing subscribing to

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Every Pantheon while he still brings fear of every Pantheon. I think there's some wiggle room. It's not great

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I'm gonna go I'm gonna you know what if it was like once or twice I would I would more lean towards you

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But it seems like they're bringing up all they're just throwing everything like we got Shiva in there

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We got the fucking Sun God in Arizona

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We got the Celts we got we got Apollo is the one who's gonna come up from the ground

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That's what God prophesied, but now God knows that Apollo is there like everything is real to these people everything is real

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I mean, I think it isn't the Bible that Azazel does get bound like deep within the earth or something like that sure

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But that's Apollo now sure well Abaddon

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So let's get back to this

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Celtic deity hmm. I hate that and I love it when he says the Celts am I saying am I saying that right?

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Everybody's like sure no one's no you're talking you're talking about Bill Russell right no one is is

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It all thrown off, so there's a Celtic deity that is named Cernunnos and his other name is Larry Bird. Yes

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very racist

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So the name Cernunnos only exists in one place in history, and it's on the pillar of the boatman

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Which is something that was from around first century BC common era that is where we got the phrase that Jesus said

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I'm gonna make you boaters of men right. I'm gonna make you boat a boatman of titties

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motor boatman of titties

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I'm losing it towards the end of this so Cernunnos

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Exists only on this pillar. Yeah, the name Cernunnos has existed or nowhere else

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Right in antiquity much like Paulie Floy's yes

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Yeah

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It's that same sort of thing which again the now that you've told me that that's going to haunt me

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Probably the idea that there's yeah, there's a bunch of examples of it, and that sort of thing is so fast

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I'm gonna spend all my time researching that you've just ruined my life

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I don't remember what the word for it is

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But there's a whole collection of like words that only exist in one place ever

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And it's so fascinating that like history has that much room and we have these like all these texts from history

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Yeah, and nope that word was that words one time that was a one-time word is one-off

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So this name only exists on this pillar of the boatman which was like I said from the first century CE

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And was discovered later

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It doesn't really matter because Cernunnos plays like seventh banana on that pillar to Jupiter

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Volcanists and a host of Roman and Gallic Gallic deities yes

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Historians conjecture that he was a French deities if you're nasty tray BS

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May we?

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They historians conjecture that he was the lord of animals or wild things based on his horned appearance

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I'm era he has horns. I'm era sure, but there's a lot of there's a lot of deities over time

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There's a lot of chimeras right so another thing like a bunch of other people have asserted that he's the god of fertility

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In some some ways god of the underworld is also in there, but it's like

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Toss it's one of 12. Yeah, just toss him in doesn't doesn't really a lot of underworld gods these days

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He's not he's not one-to-one associated with the underworld like Zach

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Who's dumb is saying so dumb now?

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It's interesting because some forms of Wicca have taken on recognizing Cernunnos

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But only as much as they'll take on about any God from any culture

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that has fucking horns.

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Nothing against the Wiccans out there, but you love a horned deity. They like they like horns right and so

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I feel like I don't know this. I don't know this to be a universal

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I don't know what you're gonna say, and I what I think you're gonna

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Say it doesn't sound great from my experience with Wiccans all right here

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It comes in high school here it comes and and in later times. I feel like the horns are gonna be important

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No, not at all. I find I have found and again. This is not a blanket statement

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Just my own observation. It seems that the people who are

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Drift who drift that direction also are people who are kind of nerdy and like obscure things

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So I would I would suggest that people who are attracted to Wiccanism are also people who do deep

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reading into

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Various cultures around the world various deities and probably someone was like I found this fucking obscure horned

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God yeah, this is going to be awesome

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It's gonna be great

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And then they became really cool in their circle and then Cernunnos came to being right and now Zach is making a scary thing

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Because this one bowl image is on a fucking pillar. It was fucking buried underground for

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1300 years this was all actually laid out in a prophecy by Douglas Adams called the long dark tea time of the soul and

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Everybody should read that book. It's fantastic. Oh my god. There's a babble fish in one of his books

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He's probably means he's Illuminati. He stepped into the

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God whatever sure it's a fish. Oh boy, so Jordan. We have one more clip yes

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I wanted to have one more clip after this

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But I didn't cut it because it was pointless and it was Jim once again saying that the Apostles read the scepter sure and I was

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Like wow we already made that point

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So there's one thing I think

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We've seen a number of parallels between our worlds yes the project Camelot the Alex Jones and

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The Jim Baker almost say that Cern had created a parallel universe where all of these worlds existed at the same time on this show

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exactly, but I think there's one thing on a

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deeper level

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connects Alex Jones

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sweary Carrie Cassidy and

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Jim Baker's hope it's Larry Nichols. It's not it is this trend okay now

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I've often wondered if the Antichrist isn't going to have something strange about his genetics in the neighborhood

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Give you a scenario here that I think is important

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You mentioned a moment ago the beasts of the field and you said when you were in prison

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I'm glad you brought it up because you're the only other person I've ever heard that that understood this that the Greek word

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There is story on real quick the part that Jim Baker was talking about him being in prison very clearly cut out of this episode

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Because I listen to all three hours of this and that is not

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That's not something that's reference factor

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Also, I don't know what Greek word. He's talking about, but let's let it fly yeah, and the reason it's in

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Translated beasts is because it essentially means tiny beasts like

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Microscopic size bees and it fits perfectly with your scenario that they're talking here about a virus

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We're talking about a plague a pandemic is and that will that maybe will come over from the animals, but it's very on its

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It's microscopic dangerous destructive. Maybe that's the fourth writer, right?

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Maybe it's a weaponized version of Ebola or something like that, but very quickly. Did you ever see the movie?

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I am legend with Will Smith

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All right, so a pandemic I like to use visual for people so real quick

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That's the connection they all think that sci-fi is real so

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Sci-fi is nothing but the dreams of men dead

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Sci-fi is the dreams of men they all deal with sci-fi as like a documentary as opposed to

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elucidating

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Trends that are part of the human condition like that sort of like yeah those sorts of things like if you look at

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What if instead of metaphor or allegory everything was just true? Oh, man, should be weird shit would be weird

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Also, it's fucking fascinating that Alex Jones has also very clearly misrepresented the same movie

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So now wait, so he's talking about the one with Will Smith right 100% dude, that's disappointing fucking

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He's old enough to know that Vincent Price

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Crushed that role. It's a price too gay for him to talk about

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So now this they're coming from all over the place so that was

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That was Paul Lin somewhere in between yes, too, but dude this

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Where he goes with this?

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Exegesis of I am legend is very worth it

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Okay, people understand a pandemic breaks out on the earth, right?

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Yeah wipes out almost all life on earth, but there is one guy totally

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For for reasons that are unknown his blood is naturally immune

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To the unknown reasons and so he sets himself up inside of a house, and he's been there working

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He's trying to capture these zombie like beings and trying to create a cure right for this

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Pandemic, but well by the end of the movie. He does you find out. That's why he's a legend

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He's the only guy on earth whose blood is naturally immune now. Let's take that back to the antichrist for a moment

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No, we know that the antichrist is the antithesis of Jesus right Jesus was the son of God

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He is the son of perdition the son of the devil Jesus worked miracles. He works miracles Jesus rose from the dead

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He receives a deadly head wound in all the world marvels right and people have created a whole list of how he is the

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Antithetical his dog doesn't right. Well, imagine this Jesus also said that unless you eat of my flesh

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And drink of my blood and partake in communion. You will have no part in me

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Wouldn't it be just like the antichrist to create a situation where a pandemic is sweeping the world?

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Hundreds of thousands of people are dying and there's only one guy on earth whose blood is

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Naturally immune to this disease and it turns out to be the antichrist

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Antichrist the mark of the beast the only way you can be cured from this disease is you have to literally partake in the form

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of immunization

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With the blood and flesh of the antichrist. It would be a satanic communion

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I see one problem with this beyond the myriad of problems and that is the antichrist didn't say

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partake of my flesh and my blood

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Yeah, one guy did but wouldn't it be just like the antichrist if he did say that obviously that's

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People need to drink your blood to survive

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You just might be the antichrist the way he's working that metaphor is troubling because there's one guy who said that and that was Jesus

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I love the idea of that being your theological argument. Wouldn't it be just like the antichrist?

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That would be such an antichrist move to do to be just like the antichrist to get crucified for our sins

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Oh, man, he is a fucking Sarah all the way

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Wouldn't it just be like the antichrist to turn loaves and fishes into a multitude of loaves and fishes, you know

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Just like the antichrist to raise Lazarus from the dead

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Oh god, how fucking stupid is this higher long metaphor it's like in the middle of it

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You're saying that God and Jesus is the one who's saying unless you take of my blood and my flesh

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You will die and then you're like all the bad guys gonna fucking do that and I'm basing this on a metaphor

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I'm making off misunderstanding

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Goddamn will Smith move or more if you had actually read the fucking omega man

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You would know that the reason that he is legend is because he's the evil guy

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He's the bad guy, but that metaphor actually extends, right?

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That would make far more sense than the dumb metaphor that he is

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Well, of course because if you wanted to work in the idea that these zombies aren't really bloodthirsty

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Zombies and they have and they're actually people they have community and they have they have relations and inner

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Like they are only monsters in the mind of the person who?

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Right views them as monster right then you might extrapolate that no immigrants

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You might but but he could use that as a better metaphor from the I am legend omega man

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sort of world for the

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Antichrist being the one who's trying to trick you into thinking that you aren't humans or whatever

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Yeah, I'm a much better job with the actual text as a why are we always doing punch-up for these guys?

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Well, cuz it's easy. It's not very bad. There's dumb

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But I do love I do love so much that all of these people are just like

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Have you ever seen the matrix exactly? Yeah, it's all that it's so much

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Like I get it

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movies are fun readings hard I

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I do get that I struggle with it. I struggle with reading a lot

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I love it. I sit there like the other night that Carter page

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FISA one came out. Yeah, and I'm like

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Man, this is a lot warrants are boring. This sucks warrants are boring. I'm sitting through there

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Like I wish there was a movie I could compare this to yeah

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I wish I could watch a movie and be like it's just like that. I don't know tinker tinker tinker soldier spy

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That's a book

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Movie yeah, I guess it was too

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There's a lot of shortcuts and propaganda turns out yeah, they're pretty fun. Oh my god, so, I don't know we've learned I

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Think idea I think we've

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Thoroughly learned that

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Chimeras are real man. Number one Chimeras are real also if you know Steve Quayle also all

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Religions are real. Yes. There's a Jim Baker. There's just only one God, right?

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The all the religions are real, but they're not God. Well, they don't capitalize the G right different. Yeah

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Yeah, the earth is hollow. Absolutely. Um

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Watch out for once again

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Big theme amongst all these shows watch out for reptoid human humanoids sure sure

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That's a bad they don't even get near that someone licks their lips run run

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It's too close to you have chocolate on you fucking bail bail bail hard

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What else what else?

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It's easy to pretend that

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Marketing campaigns are lore, right? Not hard when you don't look into anything

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Also, the Apostles couldn't read God. It seems like 200,000 is too much for sinks. Oh big time

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Yeah, although that house is huge. That's is big. There's a lot of six in there probably

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But he's also full of shit. Imagine

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Imagine the amount of wheelchair ramps you need to build for a house that big you have to have only federal

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Regulation viral all the way around all the way up to the top to all the doors and the windows

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That's just how that fire marshal works. And also because this is in 2015

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We know from being in the the present that Laurie's house is open. He did get that

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$200,000 what a shock what a show and the way if you like our show. Oh, no before we do that. What's that?

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Thank you, Jonathan. We appreciate

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Fantastic, I don't know if we hit all the things you hope we cover but

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Weird a lot, um, we do appreciate it so much if you want more of our show folks go to knowledgefight.com

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it's true and you know, just uh, I

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Don't know. We're terrible at marketing if you want people to like our show tell them that we're actually named after two giants

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We got

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Flooded out knowledge by to knowledge. Yeah

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To knowledge to fight is what we would call it each one teach 12 and then we'll have a decent

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To his audience I will make you fighters of knowledge is what Jesus that's our new shirt each one teach 12

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Very much, this has been a lot of fun Jordan

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It's your turn God, there's there's so many but fucking I'm gonna have to go with you lying ass dumb

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Motherfucker Tom Horne go fuck yourself

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Andy in Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding

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You know Alex, I'm a person color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you