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I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge right I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like sit around worship the altar of Selene and talk a
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Little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are Dan. Jordan. Dan! Jordan. Quick question for you. Yeah. What's your bright spot today?
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My bright spot today Jordan. I think we talked about this on a fairly recent episode
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Survivor? No. The collector itch. Oh, yes. Yeah, and like
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I think that that got into my head a little bit. Mm-hmm, and I started to think about like yeah
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I do want fucking card collections. I do. I don't want stamps. Maybe I do, but I don't actually.
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Yep. So I was trying to think of like a way that I could productively and not like completely self-destructively
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Explore some of these tendencies. Sure, sure. And so I was I
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Got a game. That's like a deck building game. Okay. Okay. I got a game called
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Griftlands. Griftlands. Yes. Okay. All right. It's a lot of fun. And I think I think
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the bright spot I guess is like exploring these genres of games that I'd never really played all that much and I
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Dig it. Yeah. There's a lot of there's a lot of fun
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different play styles of games out there that can can bring a lot to your life and I
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Don't know
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I'm really worried that I'm gonna end up finding some really in-depth deck building game
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And then I'm done. Then you're right then it's over then it's over for you. Yep
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You're just gonna get way too into online Gwent and then it's over. It's possible. I mean that was one of the first like
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Thoughts you had? No, no, like one of the first instances of like, ooh
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I could just do this for a while like when I was playing The Witcher. Yeah
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Yeah, that was like, oh, I wish there was more of this in this game. Totally. Totally.
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This is a sub game in the game that I kind of like more
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Yeah, I've gotten too good at this. There aren't players in the game that I can actually
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It's not satisfying anymore. No, I've only lost like four Gwent matches total over like 200 hours like yeah
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It's not good. That was that was the sort of the root of it and now it's now it's grown to something
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That could be a problem. Blossoming into an addiction. We'll find out. I hope so. What's your bright spot?
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I'm gonna keep with the theme
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You've got your
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Card collecting game. I have something similar. We got a new board game called Wingspan
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Okay, and it's uh, it's kind of like a you know
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It's like a resource game like Settlers of Catan and all that stuff, but it is just
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Gorgeous, like it is hand painted, not hand painted, but you know
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It's like beautiful artwork of birds and and it's just about collecting and bird watching and it's it's gorgeous
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It's just a beautiful game. Yeah, it's really really cool
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It's better than what I thought it was gonna be and it was gonna
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Wingspan is just like hey, hold your arms out long jump out the window
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Get out of there. It's a fun game. Get out of there
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I'm gonna set a fire just to make sure that you mean it when you jump out that window
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So Jordan today what we're doing is we are going back to the past because we had to record this episode in advance
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Yes
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This is we were recording this a couple days before we would normally have right and so if anything happened in the
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The very recent past we don't know about it
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Yeah
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Cuz it hasn't happened yet when we're recording right in some ways you are hearing us in the past talk about the past and thus
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We are even less capable of responding to the usual. Yes. Yeah
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So what we're doing we're going back to June 11th
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2003 continuing on our path through 2003 right? Does he believe in the devil? I have to say that this is a groundbreaking episode
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Okay, I'm very excited about this episode. It is unlike anything
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I've heard it listening to past Alex and I am pumped. All right to discuss it
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Let's do it. But before we do let's take a little moment to say hello to some new walks
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Oh, that's a great idea. So first Dan the stick man. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk
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Thanks, Dan. Thanks, man. Great name next is it goes to refer to sharks as chum slots? Thank you so much
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You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you. It might be
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I mean is gauche the word uh, yeah
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Well, I mean it's one of the words
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Next Kelby cakes and Jose. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much
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Thank you next Mirja from the happiest country in the world Finland. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you very much for rubbing it in
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I'm Jason B. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Jason
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Thank you, and we got a technocrat in the mix. We got a little bit of a hey-o. What's up going out to mr
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Patience of a flood. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk crikey mate. That's fantastic
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Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? We got to go full tilt boogie on this Watson
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All right, let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin
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Why are you pimps so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you
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Thank you. I know that's a biblical reference, but what's that?
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What's what I thought it was a name of the jars of clay album, but I don't think it is
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I think it was like grace flood or something. Okay, I was not a jars of clay head
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No, no, no, no, my jars were made of porcelain. Uh-huh
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Uh, what other materials do you make jars out of no jars of clay?
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There's the single was just called flood just goes with rain rain on my face. Was that what hasn't stopped raining for days?
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Oh, but if I can't sing after 40 days and my mind is crushed by the crash
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And waves lift me up so that I can not fall me
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Oh, whoa, let me up. I can't believe I wasn't in the jars of clay
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Lift me up. It's hard to imagine that not tickling my fancy
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I didn't even realize it but as I tried to remember the lyrics and sing it's like there's a bunch of different sounds in that song
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At least three different vibes. All right. Okay. I thought it was grace flood, but that's not it
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I wonder if that's something that I'm
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another
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It sounds like a hard-boiled detective. Hi, I'm detective grace flood
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I'm here to solve your goddamn mysteries
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Also, I'm going to give a shout out to Jack who adopted a sea otter. Yay!
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So now we've got a sea otter hanging around with Celain. The cutest of otters. Yep. Absolutely.
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Yeah, we have a pretty cute crew. We do we do
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I mean
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I think my biggest problem so far now is that we don't get to hang out with all of these animals at the same time
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We do when I sleep
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I dream of the cool family
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I won't disagree with you. So Jordan dreams will factor heavily into this conversation. Um
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Man, I would say I listened to a couple episodes from
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2003 that we're not covering because they just kind of got bored. Right, right
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One of them Alex was just mad about a recent interview he did on a radio station
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Oh, and I was like, I really want to find this actual interview right and like compare it to his version of it
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Yeah, yeah, but it's impossible. I can't find this local radio interview from 2003
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So that was a real frustrating thing and it was it was boring
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Otherwise, it's just him kind of being like, oh people disagreed with me. Why what was it like in 2003 when everything wasn't instantly archived forever?
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Yeah, so weird. Yeah things some things were lost
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Ephemeral, what does that even mean? So I
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Turned on the 11th, June 11th, 2003 and I immediately got a fucking pumped
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We'll also get into the war in Iraq and how the globalists say they want America to get behind an attack on Syria
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Iran North Korea
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And then a private story that Colonel Roberts hasn't talked much about on the air
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When he was diagnosed with a giant tumor
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Died on the operating table multiple times and his experience going to heaven. Holy shit
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Can you die multiple times and go to heaven? Do you go to heaven each time? Hey, what are you doing back here?
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Is that possible? Can you die multiple times and then each time you go to heaven balls at the pearly gates?
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Just be like god damn it. We told you to go back. There are no pearly gates according to this story
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Okay, but I I turned this on I was like this does not sound like any episode that I've heard from this time period in
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Particular where Alex is very calmly
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Saying we're gonna talk to a guest about how he went to heaven. I do like that. I do like that
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This is this is absolutely a huge sign pointing towards believing in the devil. You bet
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Yeah, you bet we might make considerable progress in that investigation
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Okay
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But I love the juxtaposition of this I used to go we're gonna get into the Iraq war and how the globalists want to attack
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All these other countries also my weird friend Craig Roberts went to heaven. He goes going to chat about it. Yep
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Yeah, yeah, yeah fucking sweet that is two of the most important stories happening today. Yeah, so Alex is not
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Unfamiliar with this kind of thing
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Sure, of course, he's done it before no, maybe not himself. Okay now I don't normally get into the paranormal and
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Into the type of shadowy issues, but I have wait about 20 years and family who have died
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and who have seen similar things and in fact people that have other religious backgrounds have seen the same thing and
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The supernatural is real God is real. I've had experiences not
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Not death experiences, but I've had other experiences and I'll share some of those on the air today as well
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Because it's so important as a society. We've forgotten God
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we don't believe many people don't believe in the afterlife and and look the the
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Evidence of God is in the stars. It's in the trees
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So I got really excited when he said that he's gonna get into some of his
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Experiences because based on what we know from listening to the present-day stuff. Mm-hmm
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He's gotta have a lot of stuff that should have already happened. Yeah
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Yeah, you should have already been a Satanist for a few years when he was younger, right?
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But dude was tried they tried to induct him into this high cult
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Yeah of Satanism when he was younger. He had God give him a panoramic 360 view of everything
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That was going to happen that they would guide him through his future. Yeah
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I'm excited to hear him say exactly what he says now you should
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Right. I'm really excited because this is some world-changing shit and I would remember it forever if God literally came to me
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yeah, and you could either you could either make the argument that if he if he doesn't get into a lot of the stuff that
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He talks about in the present then
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Either he doesn't want to talk about it on air because he's all comfortable with it signed an NDA with God, right?
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or
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He's come up with all that stuff since this point entirely
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2003 he's added it to his
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Backstory is that I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt
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And I'm gonna say that he's going to tell us five years exactly five years into this show. You certainly should
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Yeah, I'm a fair man dad fair enough so
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Craig Roberts is one of Alex's weirdo friends. He's the guy who died and came back. Yeah
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He's a guy who I don't ever hear Alex talk about anymore. Yeah, I
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Never knew who this guy was until I started going back to 2003 and he's everywhere
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This show is lousy with Craig Roberts in the past. Oh boy, but he is not somebody who?
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You'd even be really familiar with yeah, he wasn't in our 2015 investigation. No, and I don't know if he's dead
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I tried to sort that out. He maybe could be yeah, I don't know why not certainly died
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Story so wouldn't be surprised if it happened again. Yeah. Yeah
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Yeah, I wonder how many times you can come back before you have to stay
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How many times okay, that's number four you're here for good. Yeah it down there. It's a three strikes
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You're out policy. This is better heaven
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Well when I worked at a movie theater, you know
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Like if you went left the theater to go to the bathroom you get back in with your stub, you know
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But if somebody's going in and out of the theater like ten times, yeah
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It's not letting them back in. It's gotta stop. You're fucking around later. I feel like Heaven's brother the same way
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You're probably right. So Craig Roberts died. I want to have him. Okay, Alex's uncle
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Also had a little bit of an experience and if you thought
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These not the numbers were weird. Okay coming up with Colonel Craig Roberts
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his
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His death experience not near-death experience his death experience
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My uncle when he was 16 was in a motorcycle accident
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died six times on the way to the hospital and at the hospital and
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He was then in a coma for six weeks and he had an almost identical experience to Craig Roberts
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So I'll tell you about that as well. So yes six times man six times six times
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He died six times. It must have been a long ambulance ride. Yeah
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Yeah, and there's no way that you do not walk away with permanent brain damage from that
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Alex does say that he has some problems with like a low vocabulary
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Yeah, something along those lines which I guess would kind of lend credibility to dying six times
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But I don't know you keep dying six times of coming back in a ambulance, right?
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It's ridiculous dying six times of coming back period you're not dying and coming back
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I want to know what it what counts as dying. They know this story. They definitely don't get into that
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I want to know I need specifics on when you know, you're dead. Is there brain activity or is it just heart?
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Is it what are we talking about? That is an important distinction. There is um
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There's no scientific
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specifics
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Which kind of does make it a little bit more difficult to deal with I do believe however that the proof is in the stars
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and it is in the leaves around us that obviously this was full brain death Alex's uncle's in the the
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Ambulance and he's like I have died
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I'm back. I'm back. I'm back
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So before we get into this interview Alex does have to talk about some
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Now that I think about it somebody's in the ambulance
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And there's it there's an EMT in the ambulance and I just imagine that being like at the beginning just come back
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I will bring you back to this earth and then at number six, they're like Jesus Christ
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I don't even know if we need to do this anymore or
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Conversely the EMTs in there. They're like I am
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magic
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Every time I touch this man, how disappointing would it be to get your next?
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Person you're picking up who doesn't come back. You just got a broken finger. Ah, so there's some
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Sorry for that. Oh, no quite. All right
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There's some real-world issues though that we need to get to before we get to heaven course and one of them has to do
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with
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taxation of cars
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Start out with a total road trip turns out you got to have it to drive
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Satellite tracker software and hardware already in all new cars now the $25 interface is plugged in they start taxing you
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We're about a year away from that in Oregon two years away from that in the rest of the country unless we stop it
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And the average talk show host it won't talk about this
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You read USA Today Washington Post. I'll be on radio interviews
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They'll call me a liar and say it doesn't exist as it's happening
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So Alex is making a prediction that within a couple years the entire United States will have tracking things in cars
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So there will be a system that taxes you by the mile sure that
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So I don't
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2006 I don't think that happened. No, uh, yeah
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Maybe Alex managed to save the world from this one because it did not did not happen
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Mmm, so according to a 2021 article in The Washington Post two states currently are trying out this sort of a policy as an alternative
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To taxing gasoline. He was just a decade behind on his plan. It's 18 years since then I get it
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So the question is why would a state want to explore the possibility of shifting how taxes are levied and measured?
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Climate change it's because of emerging technologies and things like the idea of hydrogen-powered cars that hypothetically don't need gas
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If these become larger and larger parts of the market space what ends up happening is that states face huge financial problems?
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Cars are still using the roads the upkeep of which is funded by tax revenues
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But the drivers are no longer paying gas taxes, which made up a large part of the pot
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There are a number of solutions that have been floated in terms of how to deal with this inevitable issue
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but the mileage-based taxation is one of the ideas that gets talked about the most partially because it covers a lot of the relevant variables and
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The plan seems like it could be implemented in a way that would cost the average driver
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Approximately the same amount as gas taxes ended up incurring on them now granted the gas taxes are levied against the like
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Wholesalers and then it trickles down to share
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Past along right but the amount of expense would be fairly similar to most average drivers, right?
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People who would be hit hardest by it are people who drive
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Like completely fuel-efficient cars, right? Right, right because they wouldn't be paying that much gas
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Sure, sure. Sure as a whole anyway, Utah and Oregon have already put programs
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In place to shift things in this direction and there are folks working on it in various places around the country
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But it's nothing at all
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Like Alex is describing the Oregon program was launched in 2015 and it was voluntary to participate
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According to the Washington Post quote legislators and Salem are considering a bill that would make the program mandatory for new vehicles with the fuel
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economy rating of 30 miles per gallon or higher starting in
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2026 so that's still even in the future. So it's almost even like a progressive gas tax if you will
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Yeah, I think you could you could look at it that way
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Yeah, so here's how this article explains the system as it works in Oregon quote
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Participants in the state have three ways to sign up to privately run systems and one administered by the State Department of Transportation
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The private companies send drivers a device that logs where and how much they drive or pull the data directly from vehicles
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Then they send bills and turn over the revenue to the state
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Drivers get reimbursed for gas taxes that they pay at the pump. Sure. Okay, so that's the way that the system right?
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They're trying to you they're trying to see if it equals out or if there's a loss still or if there's yeah
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Yeah, I get it and then there are like concerns
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You know about privacy obviously worse of hands that people can opt out of having their information right capped at all, right?
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There's a reality the technology is advancing and non gas consuming cars or more fuel-efficient cars are becoming more and more prevalent
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Simultaneously the system we've built in order to keep our roads safe and drivable relies on tax revenues that come from gas sales
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the discussion about alternative modes of taxation are just a discussion about how we can adapt to new better cars while
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Simultaneously continuing to publicly fund the thing cards need to drive on right even so even proponents of this kind of plan
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Except that there are real challenges in terms of putting it in place
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For instance, like I said the gas tax itself is collected from wholesalers and then it's passed down to consumers indirectly
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Whereas this new plan would require many more employees to be in like collection type positions
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Yeah, it would add a lot of complexity to the the way that this was collected
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yeah, and I don't think that anybody even proponents of the plan don't recognize like
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That's tough. The infrastructure on this is going to be difficult to figure out because we're creating it as we go
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It's a brand new system that nobody's ever even tried before it's gonna be a challenge. Yeah doesn't mean it's impossible
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There will probably be some hiccups. Yeah, I guess if Alex would prefer maybe there's a conversation to have about taking
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Making up the tax somewhere else like in property or sales taxes, but I don't think he'd go for those plans either
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I think he's against
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Taxes. Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't have a plan and that's fine on his show because if you're listening to the show
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You actually haven't heard Alex explain what the problem is why people are discussing the ideas. He's ranting about
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It's fine to be opposed to this proposed system
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But it's not really okay to just pretend that there's no reason that anyone would want to try it other than to track and trace
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Everyone. Yeah, that's not the the relevant part of the conversation
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You're missing out on the the entire reason the conversations happening, right? Yeah
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I mean my plan would be to
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Probably forcibly dissolve most oil companies and then reallocate those resources that I've taken to
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Employ the employees that used to work for them as well as rebuild
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Infrastructure see I don't know if that necessarily is a self-perpetuating
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It's a one-time thing. Yeah, I don't know if that's gonna be a renewable pot
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Some time to figure out the renewable pot. It's all about buying time right now. All right, that's what I'm about. All right. Yeah
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So there's other big news in the world and this actually made me think of
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How Alex was taught it talks about the bubonic plague in the present day. Mm-hmm. He has a bit of another health scare
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Okay that he wants people to be aware. Okay. All right jumping in the news and then I promise into your calls
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monkey pox investigators seek exotic pets
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And it says investigators trying to stop the first outbreak of monkey pox in the Western Hemisphere
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scoured seven states
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Tuesday for dozens of prairie dogs and other exotic pets sold by an Illinois distributor
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Health officials announced a total of five confirmed human cases of the disease four in Wisconsin and one, Illinois
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No
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People have died of the outbreak in addition of 48 possible cases have been reported to give you some context
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The SARS outbreak is still currently active at this point in June the World Health Organization didn't announce
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It was contained until July. So it seems like my monkey pox. Yeah
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Look over here
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It's weird
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So this outbreak in 2003 of monkey pox was interesting only because it was the first time an outbreak had ever been reported outside of Africa
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Investigators believed that the outbreak traced back to a Gambian giant rat who had infected a shipment of prairie dogs who had then gone on
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To get some people sick god damn those Gambian rats. There was no human to human transmission and no deaths
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The CDC did their job and traced down the animal shipments and put out guidance for people who may have come in contact with sick prairie
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Dogs recently to keep an eye out for symptoms
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Since this outbreak there has been one case of confirmed monkey pox in the United States
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And it was a person who traveled to the US from Nigeria this year where they had gotten sick initially and come here
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Yeah, yeah, this is an interesting story in as much as it offers an opportunity to learn about public health responses
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That might go unnoticed
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Generally, or it could even be a good chance to discuss how there needs to be better regulation in the exotic pet trade
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But ultimately this is a low-priority story. I have no idea why Alex is spending so much time
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He is like he reads almost this entire article. I mean, it's I guess because he likes a monkey pox
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Honestly, that does sound reasonable to me. It's kind of fun to say
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It's not yeah monkey pox the you have a decent theory
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It's as good as anything from him
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Yeah
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So I was confused because he did seem to be spending a lot of time on this and then as he discussed it more I
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Realized that I had found a hole in the space-time continuum. Okay, this is interesting though
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This has never popped up in our country and the government says we will be hit by smallpox
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CFR member and frontman
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Gary Hart says on Hannity and Combs
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Dallas Denver and Cleveland will be hit by smallpox. We will lock down the cities. We will forcibly inoculate you
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We will go to red alert
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You will be considered an enemy of you leave your house an enemy of the government training us for martial law in the new societal
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shift to tyranny
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And then suddenly
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99
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999 percent of the health care police and firemen refused to take the shot. They have to suspend the program and
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And then suddenly SARS pops up to scare us and then suddenly we've got
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We've got the monkey pox scaring everybody and there's even an article saying people are running you're the only person with
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Now accepting it even though it doesn't protect you from monkey pox or the weaponized smallpox
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That is supposed to fire an enemy
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would use
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So it does stink too high had them I can't find the article or the interview that with Gary Hart that Alex is talking about
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I'm sure he didn't say that these cities weren't going to be hit with smallpox
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sure, but there was a risk of it like I can I can find interviews and speeches that he gave dating back to like
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2001 where you know the idea of someone releasing smallpox is something that is a fear of his yeah
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Yeah, but larger picture
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This is just the exact same story Alex is telling in the present day
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But with the details swapped out like it's a mad lib
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Yeah, all this just overlaps with the present day in a way that doesn't bolster Alex's credibility
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But actually should make anyone who thinks he knows what he's talking about think twice
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Yeah, the claim that ninety nine point nine nine nine percent of health care workers and cops and whatever
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They all refuse the smallpox vaccine. That's the inciting incident in the
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2003 version of this narrative
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This isn't true. We talked about it in a recent 2003 episode
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This was a Bush administration initiative post 9-11 where he wanted to vaccinate five hundred thousand frontline workers against smallpox
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Ultimately only vaccinating about 40,000 because people didn't see the need for it. Yeah, it's
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People with those like I don't know. This doesn't make sense. Yeah, although that number is low Alex's figure is way off
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the present-day parallel of this is the
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2019 vaccine safety summit where Alex claims that the globalist doctors were worried that the jig was up and the frontline doctors were getting suspicious
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and wobbly on vaccines
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These two events are severely misrepresented by Alex and molded into the reason that the bad guys had to act now
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They had to do this now because everyone was refusing the vaccine right smallpox vaccine in 2003 and in
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2019 they were the doctors are getting wobbly right this explains the events that Alex is now covering as news
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The SARS and monkeypox popping up to scare people in 2003 is the equivalent of the initial kovat outbreak in 2020
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Yeah
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the inciting incident happened which required the globalists put their plans in motion to scare the public and in that clip Alex even uses the
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Same goals that he ascribed to the bad guys now. Yep locked down cities forced vaccines martial law
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It's tempting to look at the consistency that exists here with his fears and convince yourself that he was on to something
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But that's missing the bigger picture
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This isn't a prediction that Alex made that he ended up being right about in 2021
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It's a prediction he's making that involves his interpretation of the world in 2003 and he was wrong. It's total bullshit
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Yep, when you see him repeating the game in the present date
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That's all he's doing except this time the stakes are way higher because kovat was a big deal and it wasn't handled as responsibly
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As other outbreaks of the past that Alex has fear-mongered about and profited off
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Oh, yeah in 2003 Alex knows that monkeypox and smallpox aren't real threats mostly thanks to widespread
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Vaccination campaigns and that's what works best for him. That's the sweet spot
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It needs to be not an actual problem business works best when there's no actual pandemic
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There's just the insinuation of one and rising vaccine rates
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Happening which is what the globalist apparently wanted to begin with the arc of 2003 is almost certainly what Alex always wants
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Yeah, 2020 and the way this has gone is a mistake. Yeah for him. This is this is no good
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It's it's also really really important to remember that the reason he's describing the lockdowns and all of that stuff is
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Because that's what you have to do when an outbreak gets out of control as we've seen it's the embellished
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Exaggerated version of what you have. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yes, and that didn't happen because of
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anybody
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Other than the people who listen to the people like Alex Jones. It's it's self-perpetuating in some ways
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Encouraging. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it would not have gone that way if they didn't act like they idiots
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They are uh-huh. Do you see so it's it's not that he's right about something. It's that his very world view
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Predicates this happening. Well, it's it's this really bizarre thing that I'm thinking about as I listen to this and it's like the the thing
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that works the best is a
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Functioning CDC people following public health guidance and Alex yelling about how it's bullshit
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It's evil and yada yada yada and everybody treats Alex like a sideshow entertainment new
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Nonsense, except for the the folks who are you know, they have their eyes wide open and they give him money for sure
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But they live alone, right?
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people who
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sponsor him who are
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so you have that and I think that that is kind of a balance that can exist
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and I think Alex probably would think that's a preferable state of affairs because this is easy to go back on easy right here in
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2003 when smallpox and monkeypox don't end up becoming a big deal. They don't become something that is a massive outbreak
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Yeah, it's great because then you know, people are getting vaccinated and you're like, yeah
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They tried to scare you into it with SARS and smallpox. Yeah, and then there's no
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loss that wasn't already lost like you're just going to I
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Don't know convince anti-vex people to be anti-vex. Yeah, it's stable in some ways
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Yeah, but now in 2021, how do you go back? You can't go back. No, it's too late
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Yeah, it's too late. And I mean, it's just
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it's just that fucked up like
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everybody on the far right is
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Is so much better off whenever they're nowhere near making any decisions
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I think I think we talked about that like in a very early episode
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I know it's like you guys are so much happier when you're just bitching about shit
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That isn't a problem and you can bother yourselves
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Yeah, I think I think a big part of that is that over the last couple decades in particular
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But also, you know going back even further than that. I think the conservative and right-wing
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sort of the the media sphere especially yeah has been characterized and
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just they've gotten the most traction out of being like
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Agitating and opposition right? It does not really work all that
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Well, right when they're in it there there's power involved and you can't it has to be against something, right?
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I mean you can't untie the like late 70s rebirth of the conservative dum-dum
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as as
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thought leader
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from the beginnings of
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Rich people going a hog wild and trying to exacerbate income inequality
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and as you see the quality of life go down for these people they get more and more angry combine that with a
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Media sphere that's feeding them terrible information and making them angry at the wrong people and we see how
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Billionaires have made Billy brother over the past so many years, you know, it's just it's they it's created
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It's manufactured. Yeah, and then it's perpetuated by itself
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you know and and the other the other point that I wanted to make too is that like
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When I hear Alex doing this in 2003 and think about like the way he's behaved in 2020 like I
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I see it as like a just a gamble that he does that's always paid off in the past
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Yep, and this time did not yeah at this time. There was an actual like real public health crisis
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That was mishandled right people responded to it poorly
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and
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In the past that has not been the case right and it's worked out to maintain
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Balance before and this time it's just completely out of whack. Yep. Yep, the whole world's fucked
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Huh? Well, hey
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The good news is we're gonna learn about heaven. Yes. It's about time. Yeah, it's about time. So well, we're not there yet
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Oh, God, Alex has to take some calls before Craig Robert Robert shows up. Okay, and this one caller
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I wonder if you can answer this for Alex this caller asks if Alex meditates
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What do you think the answer is? Um, I'm going to say that the answer is prayer is meditation my friend. That's interesting
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what do you think the most powerful thing a person can do is and
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Let me ask another question on top of that one. Do you meditate?
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No, I don't meditate
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The reason I listen to you Alec because I can hear when you speak I can hear in your voice this
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will write this search for truth and
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my whole life I was you know afraid of
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Of
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the man or whatever you want to call of control and
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in
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my opinion the truth is that
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No matter how strong someone else's will is they can never impose any type of real control on me unless they trick you
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With false political spectrums and paradigms like me. So the globalist are experts at controlling
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Counterculture movements that they create they used to steer and manipulate society. Let me translate that for you. Shut up hippie. Yeah
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Yeah, basically everything you believe it
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Listen, I think you're coming at this from a good place
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But everything you believe has been a lie meant to trick you you dumb dumb meditate all you fucking want
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I believe in self-empowerment, but only through guns
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Great. Yeah, if I wanted to breathe in and breathe out I would be doing it while I'm at the firing range
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So here's here's where we get to Craig Roberts Colonel Craig Roberts
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This is just this is comical and for the next hour and a half. We are joined by Colonel Craig Roberts good friend of mine
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Marine Corps sniper in Vietnam Army colonel and intelligence police officer who worked the Oklahoma City bombing case wanted to get his take on
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Ashcroft admitting there's a Patriot Act to now after denying it admitting it last Thursday before Congress
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Want to get his take on the announcements to invade Iran Syria?
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As well as North Korea and I want to talk about
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How the government says brace for more terror, we're gonna take all your rights away the monkey pox the West Nile the SARS
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just a lot of different issues and then I want to talk about
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And Colonel Roberts is kind enough to share with me. Well the story with he shared with me when I was in the car with him
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For five hours driving back from Kansas City into Oklahoma where I got back in my truck and drove back to Texas
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Now we're up in Kansas City doing a presentation
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the big crowd of 600
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About how he died on the operating table and went to heaven. So this is just
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Hilarious to me in in in many ways, but the big thing that I think is really funny is just that side-by-side thing
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Yeah, it's the we're gonna talk about geopolitics and what it's like in heaven. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
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Yeah, pick a lane. It's a little it's a little bit difficult to take anybody seriously
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Whatever they're doing. That's like the religious local news version, you know, like that's that's like and and after this
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We've got the kitten that can't be stopped. Yeah, like it's that kind of thing
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but but I want to be clear to like I think that a lot of people have
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Sort of well, maybe we could call it mystical experiences or something. Sure. I think it feels transcendent
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Sure, that means a lot to them personally naturally. I never want to impugn anybody
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For whatever they take from whatever experiences they have. All right
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I would not take seriously bickering
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About like like if I had an experience and you had an experience
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Yeah, and we went to a place and I had a detail about the place and you had a detail and we argued about
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Yeah, like yeah, I think that that's dumb
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Yeah, and I think getting into too many specifics or taking anything too literally is kind of dumb
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Yeah, and I think that's what they're doing. Yeah, I mean, uh, somebody sent me or some of that that clip of
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Uh, what's this dumb fuck saying that God can't hear prayers through a mask. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like if
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You if you are at the place where you have to say
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God can hear prayers through a mask. You've already lost. Yeah, you've already lost
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I think I think that I brought this up in the show before but
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Twice my grandparents gave me a book for Christmas. Yeah, that was a tourist guide to heaven and
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It was outrageous this thing
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You could be they had like a question and answer like frequently asked questions like are the streets really made of gold. Yes. Yeah
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Yeah, great. Great. Yeah. Yeah, totally totally
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That's not my heaven Dan, I don't know why but to me it always seems a little bit like a waste of time
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Oh, yeah to to engage in like trying to put physical
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Physical details on yeah something that's spiritual. I don't know. Yeah, it seems silly and I
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Enjoy it existing on Alex's show
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Yeah
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I mean
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It's it's really hard to shake from a lot of people's minds the image of God as that old white guy with a beard
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you know and it's like
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Really? Are we there and so rich that the streets are lined with gold? What are we talking about? Why are you gold?
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What is the what's there an economy? Yeah, what's the point in heaven? Is there scarcity?
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Economy in heaven. I'm gonna be furious
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Yeah
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That is going to be the angriest day of my because not light because honestly I think streets lined with gold would look tacky
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It would be I don't think it would be aesthetically the best choice
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Functionally, I don't think it would be the best choice. What am I walking on? Yeah, and it's not a good metal to walk on
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I don't think it is you'd scuff it there be had there would have to be people who were cleaning the gold streets all the
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gas taxes
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Anyway
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Alex and Craig Roberts get to talk talking and he's like, what do you want to cover first?
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And I think Craig Roberts is totally right. Okay, Colonel Roberts
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We're gonna get into your experience dying on the operating table and what happened
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And and do you want to cover that first or do you want to get into your analysis of?
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The geopolitical scene that I respect and that I think the listeners need to hear. What would you like to cover first?
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Well, I think you introduced the the after-death experience. We'll just launch into that
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Everybody's waiting for that part with giddy anticipation. No shit. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep
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Well, it's surprising to learn that they do not really get into any time. I don't think anybody's like, okay
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I did die several times went to heaven saw it all but first I really need to talk about troop
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Mobilization and as we go like the logistics we need to get into the weeds here. Yeah, because people are listening
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Okay, people need to know that we've got to get two clicks to the West
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Uh, yeah, so I think that you know, we're very interested in knowing if Alex thinks he's fighting the literal
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Biblical devil right in 2003 right and I can say I'm much more confident saying I think he thinks he is
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But I can definitely tell you that Craig Roberts thinks that there is the literal devil the evil power in the world
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At the top level plan centuries in advance
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But they convinced the people that work for him today that there is no future
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There is nothing after death. You're just dead. So just do what we tell you to do. We'll make you rich
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We'll give you power here and forget what happens, you know when Jesus said in the Bible that you know
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It matters not how rich you become here, you know, you're piling up treasures. They're gonna be rusty and canker
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You need to pile up your treasures in heaven
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And that and that you do with your deeds and the way you conduct yourself and so on
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So basically you're you're sitting in the middle listening to two recruiters
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One is the sight of God one's a sight of Satan and you got to make up your choice and a lot of people make
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The choice with the limited amount of data they have through our public school system that there is no God
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There is no hell there is no future. There is no hell
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You don't have to worry about anything and when I was growing up we were taught just the opposite
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We were taught, you know, if you do this if you do that, you're gonna go to hell and burn forever
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You know, so I mean it was scare tactics
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I'm sure but the problem is I'm sure my entire life and it always put doubt in my mind that before I do something really
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Bad or stupid I better stop and regroup and think about it. That's self-accountability
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When we lose self-accountability all of a sudden we get people that get out here and it doesn't matter who they hurt
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They kill who they step on that's a fascinating clip because I think that Craig Roberts sounds like he almost kind of
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Understands the teaching them as a child that if you did anything wrong, you'd go to hell was abusive and scare tactics
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It really does seem like he almost gets it. You just can't make it all the way make the jump
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No, there's a good chance that Craig is right that his Hellfire and Brimstone upbringing did instill in him a bit of self-accountability
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And that he may have considered his actions more than he would have otherwise because he was afraid of going to hell
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But he's on info wars. So maybe not if that led to him being a better person
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I suppose that's good
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But I would strongly dispute the position that fear of hell is the only way to create self-accountability
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Teaching kids that they're going to hell if they don't behave well might be a way to convince kids to behave well
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But it's also a really good way to mess with their heads and give them enough baggage
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They may take years to unpack it all in therapy and there's all kinds of detrimental effects
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Come on, I was beaten as a child and I turned out great. See I am a podcaster
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there's a
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Certainly in my own life and the life of many other people I knew growing up in the church
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this idea of
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If you do bad, you're going to hell is much more detrimental than it is helpful in terms of creating self-accountability
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Utterly destructive. I think one of the big things that it does is it creates
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intense feelings of shame and
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Guilt because
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Messing up is human. You're going to make mistakes. You're going to do things that are wrong inevitably
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Yeah
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And then if you've convinced yourself ahead of time that you're going to hell for it. All you're doing is
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Guaranteeing that you'll have some kind of intense guilt that you'll need to deal with somehow
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That you don't need to have right and I don't know that just seems like a dumb
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Fear thing it is one of those things where you know when you're in school
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We should spend more time on like understanding idioms and metaphor in usage like pile up your treasures in heaven
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You're like, oh that's a metaphor that he's using to because material things are valueless and then other people are like no
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He means that if you do good in heaven, you get a fucking bicycle. Yeah, right. It's a equal system
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It makes sense. It was in that brochure about heaven that I exactly that's how it works since I know I mean you're not
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So when you do go to heaven you get a bike and you no longer have to worry about socialism. Oh, that's nice
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This is just a very small part of eternity that we're living right now
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And yes that we are judged on how we conduct ourselves now
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We better do the right thing and yes
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We need to plan for the future for our generations and do everything we can so that they don't have to suffer through some type
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of
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Prison camp system a persecution or a global socialist government, whatever now's the time to do it
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And if you lose your life in doing so so what because I'm here to tell you this life really doesn't mean that much when
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You get through the doorway to the other side. In fact, you don't even think about it very much
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Well my uncle so at the end there Alex brings up his uncle again
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Yeah, and one of the things I find really interesting is that as Craig keeps talking about all of these
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His experience Alex keeps going back to his uncle right? That's just the like can we talk about my uncle?
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Yeah, like I know you have an experience as you're my guest. Yeah, but I want to talk about my uncle
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It's it's almost like the radio version of somebody asking you a question because they only want to tell you the their answer to that
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Question like would you fight a million ducks or a million billion ducks and is like, oh my god
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You're you've thought about this and I have not had a thought well, but also Alex
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I think he thinks it's one upping, you know, like this dude died six times in the ambulance
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And he can't make the story about him personally
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So it has to be about him at the very least in a one-degree situation
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Yeah
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Yeah
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so Alex goes on about his uncle who died a bunch of times and then we get a
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Revelation that I have been waiting for for a very long time. Okay, so like I already knew but I had not heard Alex Jones
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Actually lay out. He got broadsided by truck when flying a hundred feet
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died six times on the way to the hospital and at the hospital and he
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He and my uncle's a real serious guy. He's he has limited brain damage
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I mean you can hardly tell he just has a few speech problems not a gigantic vocabulary because of the brain damage
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But he's sharp as a whip and smarter than I am on a hundred other issues, you know runs a successful business to this day
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but
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He said that he'd never been very religious. I mean they went to church as Baptist, but he didn't really buy into it
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He was kind of the rebellious one
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My dad was the older son the you know, the good boy the you know, the valedictorian
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John Birch society anti-communist speeches
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Thousands of youth, you know around the state
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Aha
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Finally Oh No
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Alex something that Alex has tried to pretend is not the case for a very long time
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No, your dad super into the John Birch society giving John Birch society
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speeches
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Okay. Now we've gone from my dad was around John Burke's a guy who maybe had a few books
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He had he was there were books on our library. We had a lot of books, you know
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Of course, there's John Birch there. No big deal, you know, and it's like it wasn't that big of a deal
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I was dad's a fucking over from way back two decades ago. My dad was a fucking monster
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He was given speeches for the John Birch society
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He obviously would have to be deeply involved. Yeah, Alex tries to pretend that he wasn't because he knows
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They're fucking nuts. Yeah at a certain point the
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The label of Bircher is more baggage than he wants to unpack totally
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So Alex's uncle died a bunch of times and then he went to a place where there are crystal cities
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He has this wreck. It's thrown
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and goes to heaven and
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the description you talked about
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The waiting room the hand on the shoulder, but he was still a good person
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but you know believed in God except that Jesus Christ is personal Savior, but you know, he was still kind of the rebellious guy and
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He got admonished about the hat went through saw these crystal cities
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These he said it was indescribable total peace and then he was back six weeks later
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In a out of the coma right before they were about to take life support off
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My grandmother was there praying for him amazing Wow. Mm-hmm Wow crystal cities and getting scolded
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Hey, if if I've been to a
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boy
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Crystal cities are what I think of sure heaven. Mm-hmm. I love it and
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And wagging. Yeah. Well, you know you're in heaven. You got to get a wagging finger
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So Alex has told this story about his his uncle and now it's Craig's turn to tell
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his his experience and I gotta say
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Too much preamble. Oh, no way
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No, he goes on and on about his tumor and stuff
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I'm going to the hospital and then like have you missed the point the interesting part of this story? It's heaven
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It's the heaven part. Yes. It's not the bleed. I'll take for granted that you had a bad time and then you died
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Yeah, of course
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Your cancer was bad. Yeah, we got it
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Yeah
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it can't be like well I was in the hospital for a little while and then my wife came to me and we talked to
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The doctor and it goes on and on and I think that even Alex is getting a little pissed
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Everybody knows people who've died from cancer. Nobody knows people who've gone to heaven, right? That's what I want to know
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I think you can tell that from Alex's tone. That's like, come on, man
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As luck would have it. I did make it a hospital
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They wheeled me in put me in most little rooms on the gurney and the one the doctors who I knew came in
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And he said listen, he said do you have a living will and I said, no, I got a regular whale
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I didn't even know what a living will was and he said well, you're gonna need a living will I think and I said
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What's that? He said well, that's where we can look life support if things go bad on you. He said because
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You're hemorrhaging internally. You've got a negative blood and we don't have that's a very short supply
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We're gonna have to switch over to O if we find that we're real short on blood
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You've lost so much now that I don't think you're gonna make it through the night. We've already told your wife
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and
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So I said well
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Just do what you have to do and I don't think it's my time
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But let's do we have to do he said we got five doctors here tonight
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I said no, sir
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You got six you got God working with you you listen to him and I'm putting him in charge and we'll see what happens
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We come back from the break. We'll see what happened
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All right, folks, I'm Alex Jones we're talking to Colonel Craig Roberts
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Come back and tell you where he went when he died. Oh
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Boy, I think Alex is a little pissed that Craig threw it to break you do not throw my show to break
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how
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Dare you I know that you can hear the music that it breaks comment. Yeah a breaks comment. That's not your job Craig
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I'm a professional Craig Craig. Oh, how about you go lead some more army people?
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Cuz I'm working right now. So we go back from break. Ah, and
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We get back and Craig's like hey, welcome back to Alex Jones's show. Here's the host Alex
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Great, that would be great. He does not but we finally get to hear about going to heaven
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He would told me that and that you said no, you know, there's a six doctor here. It's God
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It's not just the vibe people that are here. What happened next? What did you experience?
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Well, I normally came in to prep me for whatever they were going to do
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And maybe we should learn about that tube down my nose and then instantaneously
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That was it
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I was
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so quickly
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transported to another place that it was
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a there's no way that there's no way to describe that will get happen is instantaneous and I was sitting in a
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Large room and it was it was dark
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I couldn't really see and the only reason I know it was a room is because when you get there you just know
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You know these things it's not it's not something you have to see or perceive or have measurements or anything like that
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It's just all of a sudden you have this ability to know what's going on around you see things and it's it's like
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An instant download of knowledge and I'm sitting there and I'm very comfortable and it's cool
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And I feel great feels great. Also, there's air conditioning. Yeah
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I do like that too. Like they put the tube in my nose and instantaneously
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I was somewhere else almost like I was on a drug
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almost like they I mean they had me count backwards from
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100 and I remember making it to 95 and then God took me. It was definitely God
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had nothing to do with
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Man, man at all. No
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So Craig is alone in this big waiting room type place and there are two doors like in Beetlejuice
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There's no one else in there with me except
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Somebody standing right behind me. I
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Don't feel like this is a bad place. I feel like this is a good place, but it's not the ultimate place that I'm going
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It's a waiting room so to speak
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It's probably the size of a medium-sized school auditorium in size. That's how I felt
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It wasn't you know, like an eight-foot ceiling or anything. It was just like a big place
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and there was a door to my left or a portal or some some type of
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Entry way or exit way that led to this life
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That's the one I had come through and to my right was one that I would leave if I was taken on beyond this point
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I would be taken through that door to the next stage. That's pretty standard. I think you
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This is kind of a picture that you an image that a lot of people have
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Yeah, you know when I was like the architect in the matrix, right?
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We've talked about this before when I was working at a God camp
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Everybody used to make each other pass out because we couldn't do drugs, you know, that kind of thing
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So you'd make somebody heard this sort of story. Yeah. Yeah, and then when you people woke up
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I what they would say is something like oh I felt like I had lived an entire other life
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And I it felt like my dream had been for 20 years long and all that stuff and you're like
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Oh, you were only out for five seconds or something like that. And it's like yeah, man, the brain does that shit
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That's how it works. That's what are we doing? What are we doing with a waiting room? Why does heaven have a waiting room?
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Yeah, that does seem a little
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the bureaucracy
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Heaven is keeping people waiting. It does seem weird
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Kind of God is like hey, listen, we got overflow. I can't handle it right now. It's a busy day
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Yeah, what are you gonna do?
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Yeah, I think I think the other thing too like I mean, you know dreams
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You can have
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Dreams that it feel like they go on very long. Yeah, although in in actual time sure
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It's not very like that just on a very basic level thinking about that time
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Experience sure and that's not some divine thing
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And if you've ever had sleep paralysis your body is still chemically shut down and your brain works perfectly fine
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You feel like you're hallucinating and going absolutely crazy. Yep. Yeah, so when you're but when you're in heaven in the waiting room
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There's that there's someone behind you sure sure, but it's cool. It's good. It's all good. It's a good place
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That's what you're young again. Oh
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If I sat there, I knew that this life was through the door the left
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It's behind me and it didn't really matter anymore. I didn't I didn't have any feeling of loss
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I didn't have any any feeling enough of missing my family or any of that sort of thing. I felt
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Wonderful, and I felt like I was probably 21 22 years old in peak condition
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And this is important because everything that I was feeling was just exactly the opposite of how I felt one half of a second ago
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I when I was a wing I was sick
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I was weak and now I was young and I was strong and I felt good. Oh, we're now you
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Understand heroin you just figured it out. Oh the whole fucking attraction of heroin is that yes
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Yeah, it's almost like you were heavily burdened by your physical body collapsing and then right
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you were
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Experiencing relief from all that sort of some sort of drip if you will
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Boy, so yeah, there's there's someone behind you though. Sure
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Someone behind you. Yeah, okay. I didn't really
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Notice that I was wearing anything in particular or did I even I?
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Didn't even look at my body or feel myself
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I just knew I was there and then right behind me was a beam and
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The best way I can describe that this is really hard to describe because I can't it's one of those things until you get there
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You just don't really
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Absorb the whole scene and understand what's going on looking forward to it's trying
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It's like trying to describe a McDonald's restaurant to a cannibal in New Guinea. I mean, they just don't picture it. I
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I'm hamburgers
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Does he think they you know people like indigenous people don't use the bathroom? No, do you think they don't shit?
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Nope, no idea. No, no clue until you explain it to them. They have no idea Dan
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It's a place where you
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It's like it's like what you do now but different yeah, that's not hard so this being
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Who do you think this is? Do you think it's God? No, it can't be God. Sure
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What's God doing hanging out behind you? It's not God God doesn't hang out behind you. It's not God. Um, I'm gonna go with let's
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Say green dragon green drag green dragon. I'm gonna go Game of Thrones. God is a huge Game of Thrones fan
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Okay, green dragon. You missed the mark by a little okay
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This being is standing behind me and I know all right right then that exactly who it is
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it's somebody who's been with me my entire life ever since I could remember and
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He was my childhood playmate. That was invisible. I think we all had those
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Fifties on my backyard fence
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He's been with me in Vietnam
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I mean this guy had been with me all my life and I had nicknamed me Joe went for some reason or other back when
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When I was a kid and and I of course as we get older we forget about those things
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Well here was Joe and he was a great big guy. I think he's probably seven feet tall and he was behind me
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I didn't turn around look at him, but I just knew he was there and he had his hand on my right shoulder
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But he wasn't touching me. It was just kind of there
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It was kind of just hovering over my right shoulder
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But I could feel the big force of energy from it like a picture with a celebrity was everything's okay
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I'm with you and I'll be with you as we as we go from here. Yeah, it's your imaginary friend
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Do I do like the idea that Alex is there?
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I I hope he knew he had to have known that imaginary friends are real in heaven, right?
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I mean he has to God has spoken to him the presentation of like the pre-interview
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Yeah is when Alex and Craig Roberts went down to Kansas City to do that
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That radio five hours in a car, right?
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So this I feel like is probably could have come up
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Although I would also believe that Alex wasn't listening because he wanted to talk about how his uncle died
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That's true. That's true. Alex was busy trying to speak so he couldn't hear you. Maybe he hadn't internalized this part of the story
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Oh boy, I can't imagine having somebody that I take so seriously. Tell me that imaginary friends are real in heaven
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I was in the waiting room. Uh-huh behind me was a seven foot tall version of my child
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Imaginary friends are real in heaven guys waiting room imaginary friends
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Socialism isn't there. Heaven is capitalist. We move on. Well, also you should know this
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Is your childhood imaginary friend? Uh-huh. Also your guardian angel
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This is the part I want to really put out to everybody I also knew by the way, this is my guardian angel
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This is the guy that took care of me a lot of times when I couldn't take care of myself
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But he's also the guy that keeps track of everything you do in life. He's the guy who?
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They don't have to write it down
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It's like this giant computer chip in him or something, but they remember and see everything so there it's like it's like a yeah
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a massive CD-ROM disk
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That they can carry that's got all the information of everything you ever did in your life good and bad
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I want to make one point very clear. Mm-hmm. If
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Alex is concerned about the surveillance state he should be
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If there are aliens or angels with chips in them
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They have digitally record every good or bad thing you do
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Yeah, I can't imagine what the NSA like how it would even come close to comparing to that
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That's how they got the technology
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They have been secretly killing and reviving people in a flatliner situation
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This entire time all modern technology is taken from that waiting room according to Alex's own
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Entire career what's being described is the starkest tyranny
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Oh, yeah, but it's God so it's cool right? Oh boy. Mm-hmm
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Can I really want to go back to how many jobs that Craig Roberts has had?
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Where he has been in control of people living or dying. Mm-hmm. Do you understand that that I don't like this
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I don't like this, you know
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And if it's like that kind of thing like if if you have this belief system and that helps you get through the day
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Fine, but I don't want you who with a gun. I don't want you with a gun
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Well, I I haven't done enough looking into
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Colonel Craig Roberts, so I don't know what positions he's had or not. That's a fair point. That is a fair point
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That is a fair point. I
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Take everything with a little bit of a grain of salt. Was he a super soldier as well? I don't know
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I don't think he's ever been on Camelot. Ah, but
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You know, yeah your childhood best friend who is imaginary is your guardian angel
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and they have a chip in them that records all the good things you do and the bad things. Stop believing in religion
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This actually answers a really
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Like deep philosophical
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Theological question and that is there's so many humans
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How does God know all the good and bad things you do? Because at the end of your life
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You've got to be judged whether or not you can go to heaven or heaven. God can't keep up with all that
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You know what? I remember thinking when I heard that it was ineffable
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God's will you know remember in the Bible we see through a glass darkly sure, you know that kind of thing
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ineffable impossible to F
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Turns out don't have that S
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Just some fucking computer chips. No, very effable. No, it turns out thoroughly effable
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Oh, it turns out that your imaginary friend when your kid is a fucking snitch
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The old question comes up
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Yeah, you read the Bible you go to church and you say okay in the end
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We got it to bow down on our knee and and we're held accountable for everything we do. Well, that's impossible
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How's God gonna know what everybody does there's billions of people out here in their field
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There's millions that came before and there's no way that he's gonna know everything that everybody did
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Well, let me tell you what, he doesn't have to the other guy does he reports. He's standing there right next to you
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So I'm just a witness. That's just the witness. God does obviously know everything stay there
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We'll come back and tell folks what happened next
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Alex could not abide by this. No, no again. We're arguing about what God can or cannot do. What's the point?
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What are we doing? And we're arguing about whether or not your imaginary friend is a snitch or a witness
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Oh
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This is if you replace God with Santa Claus, it's the same conversation. It's very similar. Yeah. Um now look I
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Being a little disrespectful
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And some people may think that that's not appropriate sure, but I would like to present to you an argument
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Okay, and that is that Alex could not be more disrespectful to his own belief system and his own ideas
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Listen to this shit when they come back from break. All right, but before we go back to a Colonel Roberts here just a few minutes
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I I drug Jim Shepherd back onto the airwaves because
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Last week we had a special and they were 180 of these toes
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and now there's only about 30 left of the
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Big Berkey Berkey light with a super black filter best thing out there folks, you know, I wouldn't steer you wrong
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Interrupts the story of going to heaven to do a water filter add
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To bring in his water filter sponsor to talk about like this special that they have man
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This story of going to heaven is not finished by any stretch like they went to break and it was a cliffhanger
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Yeah, we're gonna get back to your experience in heaven and we do not we get into a water filter commercial
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Hey, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do whenever the
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Whenever your holy book very clearly states that marrying commerce and religion is a great idea
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whenever the person you've named your belief system after has
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Explicitly said to you that rich people will make it to heaven every time
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Well, you know, it's a good idea when this twist happened. I
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Literally and I say this sincerely had to stand up walk around the room. I
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Put my hands on my hips. I just sort of breathe
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I can't make a joke out of this
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yeah, like this is so disrespectful to the idea that you're having an interview with somebody about like you went to the
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afterlife and you're trying to present this as a real thing and what you do in the middle of it is
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Slip in an interview with somebody else who you're selling their shit
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Listen as we all know crazy
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Jesus said build up thy treasure in heaven
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Mm-hmm, and if you are in heaven, the number one treasure you want to have is this water filter, buddy?
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Big Berkey's Berkey Berkey. Well, you know there was that time that
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Jesus
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You know, he went and volunteered at the money-changing tables
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Yeah, he's like listen. I would love to do this for money. I'm a big money guy. I
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Hey, it's I want a part-time job. So anyway, there's a scratch scratch and dent sale on these water filters
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A whole pallet of these fell over and they just have small scratches on them some of them
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They can't even find a scratch on but they're damaging all of them
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You know saying they're damaged and selling them for 149 instead of 200 a 200 is already a great deal
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If you want one that doesn't have a scratch pay 200. Yeah. Wow. I watched kind of like that
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she wants something that's perfect, you know, nothing wrong with it, but
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This is a great deal. I would take advantage of it
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Only a few of these left and we won't be doing this deal again
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This is this is it on this scratch and dent sale. Last time we had one of these was about a year ago
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Last time then they've got a bunch of other filters. They're top of the line Jim
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What do you have to offer for folks today other than that deal as well?
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I don't think you've got several other package deals and the sports bottles the portable filter bottles
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The potassium iodate to protect against a nuclear attack that you take sure thyroid doesn't absorb the radiation
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a lot of different key items
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It's a great price on because you're a big national distributor of the national distributor of Berkey products. Tell us all about it
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Okay. Well first of all with respect to the stainless steel units
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We had a little bit more scratch and dense from time to time on those if I were this guy
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I would probably be mad at Alex because I'm now being presented as someone who's interrupting the story of heaven
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to sell
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Scratch and dent sale water filters. Just remember that this is your last chance to get these
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We're not gonna run this sale again
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Just like this life is your last chance for salvation in the next ladies and gentlemen
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We need you to get these water filters stored up in heaven
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It's like a it's like a sketch show. It really is. It's like a parody of
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What Alex is doing? Yeah
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It's insane. It is insane. It is so insane. I love it. It's amazing. It's just that that like
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If you see this, this is almost another part of that weakest link in the chain of right-wing propaganda
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This is the weakest link in the chain of Christian
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Propaganda of just like once you see how glaring this shit is
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There's no way you're not gonna find smaller versions of that fucking everywhere
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It's just remarkable how little care Alex takes to
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Separate these kinds of aspects of his show totally
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Like I think that there's a way that you could sell water filters and interview a guy about going to heaven on the same show
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Sure, you should probably shouldn't do the ad in the middle of the story of going to heaven unreal unreal
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It's a little tacky. I mean we're careless
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We've this is twice. We've teased the story fro coming up back from break. This is twice
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We're teasing a heaven story beef air through commercials. Well true, but that's just a reality of that broadcast
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Yeah, well, there's that's fair. His stories are very boring and we have gotten to some of the details
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What are your imaginary friend from childhood is behind you and snitches?
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I'm not gonna be able to get over if you if that's part of your belief system. Good luck to you
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But you know what if I were Alex I might have gone to an ad to
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That's also a good point
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Yeah
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If when the guy says your imaginary friend is your guardian angel and he tells God all the bad and good things that you've done
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Maybe I would bail too, but I wouldn't go back. Yeah, that's the difference
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Yeah, Santa's elves tell you all that tell Santa whether you've been bad or good and Alex is like nah
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Nah, nah, nah Santa checks his list. Here's where we break off
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Because Alex instead of being done with this
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Clearly bizarre interview at this point bananas. I decides to go back after the water for a rad
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I have no problem promoting high-quality water filters folks. It's something you need just like guns
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It's horrible foods, but but with a water filter you'll use it day one
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You'll use it every day and just stop drinking what they put in the water. All right Colonel Roberts
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Thanks for holding all I had Jim on continuing
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recapping
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You you're you're hemorrhaging to death. You've been weakened by chemotherapy
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You are transported to this place. You've got your guardian angel with his hand on your shoulder
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Shoulder
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So that's setting the table pretty well, yeah, yeah, we're all caught up you're in heaven
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I would have preferred you said imaginary friend instead of guardian angel, but we got to keep this looking respectable
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I accept that. Um, so when Craig was in heaven, he got some info downloads
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Which is interesting. This is what I'm saying about the NSA all the we've always talked about aliens being where we get our modern technology
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Nobody has thought about death experiences. Sure Alex has yeah
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the one thing that
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It was beginning to happen was I was receiving information and this information was the first thing who it was
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acknowledgement that I was there and that a
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Decision was being made and the decision would be to take me on or to send me back and I thought
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later, you know when I want to reflect it back on that I thought you know, well isn't this ingenious because
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Um, isn't it sometimes with that?
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We may be running into people on the street who've already been there been sent back because they've been for bad information to bring back
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So we really need to listen to people. Maybe there's somebody out there who who has some information that we need to hear so
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Anyone sitting there and and I feel fine. I don't have a problem with anything
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I'm not even thinking about this life because it's like
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Leaving one into your house and going to the other end. You don't think about the part you just let left
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It's it isn't relevant because now you're someplace else. So
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As I'm sitting there, I'm I feel like I'm getting all kinds of different information a lot of it
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I don't understand what it is
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I don't know what it means other than the fact that later on it could be valuable and I may have to draw upon this
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information for people that I run into
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on down the road
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The decision was made
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to send me back and
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What what happened was?
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A very very interesting in the fact that I felt like I had been gone
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Maybe three minutes, but at the same time I have to say that there was no feeling of time time didn't mean anything there
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Time was not a factor in anything
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But in the human clock, I thought maybe this entire process of me sitting there while the decision was made while it was given information
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was maybe three minutes now, this is this is an interesting because I
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all of a sudden
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Had changed positions again
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I changed places and I opened my eyes and I'm on a straight I'm on a bed and then in the intensive care unit
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and
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I
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Signaled for the for the nurse and she comes running in there, you know
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And and then she of course she calls for the doctor and again the same doctor had to be on duty
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And came in and what's interesting was 18 hours later
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I felt I was gone maybe three minutes and there was 18 hours. It passed long-winded Wow
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So he goes on to say that he was dead for like that three minutes later
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Which is interesting because that leads me to believe that there is a concept of time because he said within the human clock
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It was like three minutes. Yeah, so there is a yeah his own telling of it is like well, I guess time is still real
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Yeah, I don't I don't I don't know this info download thing is is fascinating to me though
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Yeah, you know
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I think it's it's kind of fairly obvious and I feel like more people telling these stories should get it
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but it's like it seems like
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Heaven is limited by your imagination and not the other way around right?
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You know what I'm saying? Like boy, it seems like maybe your creativity or lack thereof
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Is the limits of heaven?
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Yeah, and we're gonna get into that as it relates to this info download thing in a second
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But first we have one specific from this this vision. I want some specifics
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Some of the information I got one of them. It said Roberts get off of that poison get off of chemotherapy
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Quit I will heal you and so I quit going to chemotherapy after that and yeah, I started getting stronger
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I started getting better and I had to go in and see the chemo doctor the oncologist
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It was an old retired army colonel himself and he said, you know, I said you're gonna be dead a year from now
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You don't keep up for the chemo. I said no I said a year from now
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You're just not gonna have as much money because I'm not coming back. Ah, wow, so
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Don't listen to doctors apparently is good medical advice from the vision
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ah, you know you were uh, you were dead hmm and
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before medical science
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You would have stayed that way. Also, you probably weren't actually you were most likely just drugged out
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You were put into an induced coma and you were fucking fine
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So we get this this this message here
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Get a little bit more information about the message that he gets
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He gets sent back. He got sent back
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I was sent back because I had done a lot of work and received a lot of information
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Over the years and my research work plus what I was told when I was I was gone
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To continue on doing what you and I are doing now and that's getting information out to people and telling them look
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You have a life. You have to live right now
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You better live it correctly because later on you're gonna have to answer for it anyway
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So don't be a coward fight the New World Order fight evil fight Satan. That's what you're here for
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You know, it's a it's almost like I look at it kind of like it's a recruiting ground
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I'm we're recruiting for the good army and the bad guy
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The bad army you gotta make a choice
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There is a part of me that as I was listening to this. I think Alex stole this story. Yeah from Craig Roberts
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Yeah, the info download the the getting a message that you have to fight the evil
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Yeah
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Like I it reminds me of stories that he tells now about getting sessions from God when he was at this time period or younger
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Yeah. Yep. No, definitely younger. Yep. No, you're right
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the God giving him his mission and such like telling him in a big packet download that like seeing a
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panoramic view of the world and everything like I
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Would expect that if I were Alex and I were having this conversation with this guy
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It seems like oh, yeah
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I would interject with my story very similar to yours if it is if it is that similar and you're willing to discuss
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Anything it seems like that would be what you bring up
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I get a real very very strong sense that maybe one of the reasons that Craig Roberts
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Isn't around this is Alex's
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Story that's it. Yeah, the details of this are
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astoundingly similar to
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Stories that Alex tells now about himself about himself specific, but I do keep this one piece of
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sort of
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Resistance to my own suspicions and that is based on like well
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Maybe you just wouldn't want to talk about things publicly, you know
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Like maybe you want to have some discretion about your own experiences. Sure. Sure. Sure
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But Alex does bring up how he has psychic dreams. There we go. So it doesn't mean like
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In for a penny in for a pound
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You've got a guy on who's literally talked to I guess his imaginary friend, right?
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And I believe did I miss hear that correctly or did his imaginary friend say to him?
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You know if you keep on the chemo, I'll kill you. No, no, no, I don't get all that stuff is going to kill you
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Uh-huh. Get off it and I'll heal you. Oh
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Okay, I I heard it as like a man if you don't stop doing this. I'll take you out
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Which I was like interesting guardian angel. That's like that's not the way I heard it. I don't think that's what I said
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Yeah, sometimes the ears hear what they want to hear Dan when when you have a guy who's presenting himself as having like this
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divinely originating
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packet download of
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Information that was super important and Alex on the present day says that this happened to him at the beginning of his career
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You'd think that he would they'd commiserate about this if Alex is willing to talk about anything
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Sure, and he is willing to talk about stuff. Like I said, he's a prophet and
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From the time I was a child and only happens once every few years
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will have a dream I will tell people about the dream vividly image it and it will happen at a later date a
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month six months a year later and
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A
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Lot of people ask how did I know about 911?
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How did I get on the air and never done this before I said call the White House call Congress
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Tell them not to use bin Laden to attack, New York
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As their patsy and I have the evidence I had the information but frankly folks who never said this on the air
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I had a dream where I saw the towers hit
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So I think that all the 911 truthers and the the we are change folks and everybody who's like Alex Jones is always right
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you know what you're what you're really reinforcing is his
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Prophetic dreams. Yeah, he's a he's if you say Alex is right, then you are taking on
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That he is a psychic. Yeah who can see the future right? Not someone who is
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understanding the future no and you're not you're not defending somebody who's done a lot of research and knows things and
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Understands came to him in a dream. Yep, like that's why he can still stand behind things like loose change when things get
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Disproven it totally because no this isn't based on any kind of actual report
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This isn't based on my belief that 9-eleven was an inside job. It's not based on proof or
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evidence it's based on the fact that I had a prophetic dream ahead of time right I knew this right?
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Well, I mean look Doc Brown didn't worry too much about all those facts and stuff
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He had a dream when he hit his head in the bathroom and the flux capacitor came to be this is very simple
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This is interesting and let me differentiate this a tiny bit
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Doc Brown isn't real. That's a fake story. Then next thing you say you're gonna tell me King Arthur isn't real
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I have some bad news. Well, I hope Don DeGrand Prix is okay. I have some even worse news. Oh no! Don DeGrand Prix son of Uther Pendragon
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He has come to legend that is true, yeah, so I find this all very dicey and sketchy and
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Alex should too because he wants some specific information about this information
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Right. That Craig got. Well if it's from God, I would want specifics too. Yeah, but unfortunately that's not the way this works
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You know you're there in heaven or in the waiting room and the angel was God was transmitting more more information
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More knowledge you want to share any
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Areas of that with the listeners. Well, there's there's
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One of the things was that I would receive a lot of information
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that I would bring back, but I wouldn't know when to use it until
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Something happened or until I made it up
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Somebody that I needed to tell or talk to about something or somebody would ask me a question and it was like opening a filing cabinet
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I would have a file on that and I could pull it out and I could I could share
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You know what? I brought back with me. Oh, that's super convenient. That really is super convenient. That's so convenient
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I love that
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Yeah, because now you don't have to give any specific information that people could judge whether it's accurate or not or anything
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You can just give yourself built-in credibility whenever you tell anybody anything this particular thing
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I am telling you. Yes is from God now
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I didn't know this like 20 minutes ago didn't but it was in that filing cabinet that God gave me
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And I can't confirm this or you know, like I didn't know it before so no
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But you have to listen to me because it's from God. Yeah, I mean it's from God, of course
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And now is the time for me to tell it to you because God said it. This is almost like
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Scam artist body armor
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Yeah, yeah, you know, it's been the same fucking playbook for
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200 years in America, and you know, what's remarkable? What? This exact conception of the information that I don't have access to
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Until I need it, right?
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That's what Steve Quayle says also about this like vision that he had the two of them both have the exact
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Same explanation for why they don't have information of course until they need it. It's divinely inspired. Yeah
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Yeah, and you know why cuz cop-outs are fun. Yes
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this is a really ironclad way to never have to
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Show your ass basically
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No
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And that's why I mean, you know
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I imagine that the very first reason that we invented a divine
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Anything was just because somebody got asked a question that they really didn't want to answer
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They were like, yeah cuz God said it
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No, I mean moving on this is like the equivalent of you don't have to do voices when you channel totally
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It's an explanation that's built into the story. Yep. It's it's
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I find it. I find it suspicious. You can't be preemptively defensive about why you don't know things
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You know, like if you're preemptively defensive that suggests to me that you already know you're wrong. Yeah. Yeah
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So I think that you can have interviews like this and I even think you can have interviews like this that are not
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Disrespectful to the person you're interviewing like I think that sharing experiences of
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Of like things that you know, you have subjective experience of
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I think that there's a way to discuss those things and and not
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Necessarily pass them off as this is the truth of the universe sure
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But at the same time not be like you're dumb because you think you went to a waiting room, right?
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I think there's a way that you can recognize the subjectivity of it and
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Recognize what it means to the person you're talking to or sure without
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Universalizing it right? Right. All right. I mean Alex does not do that. Well, that sounds about right. Alex is
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universalizing my uncle was in a
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automobile accident motorcycle accident
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Died six times on the operating table
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Went into a coma for weeks when he came out of it. He'd been to heaven. He'd seen the Angels. He'd been back
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Colonel Craig Roberts
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Had the same thing happen to him five years ago. He died was dead for three minutes
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He
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Just told his experiences it's real it really does happen and
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The problem is is that a lot of people know this is true
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So the enemy has a lot of quacks and the people out there putting out dis info
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Or people thinking for two seconds always has their counterfeits. Basically, that's why I've always stayed away from it
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But I have had experiences and I think now's the time to talk about them at least a little bit
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So yeah, this is uh, this is him saying this is all real. This is all like this is all truth. Oh boy. Oh
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Everybody knows that that's why the devil
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Created scientists right to explain to you that drugs do things to your brain. Yep
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Yep, so when Alex said I think now is the time to talk about some of my experiences. I thought well, obviously
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He's gonna get into how he also had an information download course. He doesn't he talks about how he had prophetic dreams weird
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I think now's the time to talk about him at least a little bit where I've had dreams my friends that come true
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with the same images the same color the the same detail and
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that one of those dreams was about 9-1-1 months before and I had all my other evidence of my sources, but
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Which is why I got on the air and said
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that call the White House call Congress tell them don't use bin Laden as their patsy to attack New York to set up a
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Police state because I had a dream where that happened. It was very upset when I got up from the dream
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I know when I have these dreams I rarely do that. It's real that it's going to happen
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I learned this when I was young and I've never talked about this
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But I think it's important to discuss because there is another side that you're a psychic
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Yeah, you have prophetic dream. There is the other side and I have been there. I have seen it
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Well, I mean there's there's an interesting
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thing I
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Just I can't accept
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somebody who is is like I
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Make reporting based on prophecy. Yeah that I had I had dreams and this is going to affect my coverage of the news
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Right, right. I can't accept that living simultaneously in the same space as someone who's like everything I talk about is documented
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Right. It's in the white papers. All right, like, you know, it's in your dream
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You can't both have because here's what happens if you both have all the evidence and you have a prophetic dream. Okay?
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okay, so maybe you were dreaming about the evidence or
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Why did you need the evidence? You had the prophetic dream, right or
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Who cares about either one of them?
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I think that I think it's an inability or an unwillingness to choose a lane
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And I think it's because Alex realizes that like I don't actually have prophetic dreams if I tried to do that
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I'd be wrong a lot. So I better edge everything with fake evidence. That's what it is. It's hedging
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Yeah, if you're hedging then I don't believe you. I mean, you know in this kind of circumstance
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This is an all-or-nothing situation
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You've either been to heaven or not. So you've either proven that heaven is real or not. Uh-huh. There's no other way around it
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I don't think it's appropriate for like a magician. Let's say to do magic tricks
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Insist their magic right and then also explain how they did the trick. Yes, you know, there's the problem. There is the problem
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I can't handle that kind of an act. It's just it. So we're getting a lot closer to Alex being
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Against the literal devil. Well, I mean he's already said that that's how the enemy
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That's why the enemy has all those quacks, right?
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So you'd have to say that has to be the end
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I I do feel like I'm very close to being able to say that Alex does believe he's fighting the devil in
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2000 totally what we have to realize is that we are spiritual beings
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We have a spirit inside of this this thing as container. We call a body
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And we are connected to that that world and a lot of people want to deny that they think okay, you know
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I'm chemicals. I'm electrical charges when you're dead. You're dead
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The thing about it is there is a spiritual war and a physical war going on all around us right now
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We may not be able to see the spiritual war, but I'm here to tell you it exists and it's happening and your imaginary
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Friend is there the physical war is what we're doing right here today
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standing firm
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Against the Satan and his New World Order globalist socialist crowd and the thing about this nobody
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Out here who deny?
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Denies that all of this is happening is going to be able to see it unless we open their eyes
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We open their ears and we say look this stuff's happening. This is not the world we lived in 50 years ago
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It's not the world. We lived it lived in 25 years ago. It's happening so fast right now
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We're gonna have like there's no time in Heaven's well Colonel Roberts
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The Bible says that some will be given to great delusion and that God won't allow some people's eyes to be opened
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Well, and it says don't cast your pearls before the swine lest they turn and rend you so
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We know that there are people out there that are right. It is a dumb book. So
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Craig Roberts is saying that you know, there's the Satan's globalist socialist crowd. Yeah
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Yeah, yeah, and Alex is saying well, you know, some people just won't listen. Some people are
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Ostrich is they just have their head in the sand and we are in a war a physical war
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Well, the physical war is information war sure
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Why would that be the war if it's the war for heaven buddy, right?
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Exactly. Um, I think that the way that Alex is responding to this it leads one to
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Suspect that he believes the same thing. Yeah
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It's not him
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Sort of explicitly laying out that I'm fighting the devil right, but it's way closer, right?
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It's swimming in the same pond and being like I like this pond. This pond is where I feel comfortable
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I suppose the only the only thing though is
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That I mean, yeah, the only question then is if you received message specifically from God
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Then the then does your Christianity include the devil? Because if it does
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Then you believe you're fighting the literal devil
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The only way he's not fighting the literal devil is if he doesn't believe that the devil is real
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yeah, so
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Yeah, he's fighting the literal Christian devil I think so I think his entire career has been predicated on
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Trying to trick people into thinking he has political beliefs totally in reality. He's fighting. He's fighting the devil the devil
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He's he's just a televangelist. I think so. Yeah, I and you know what if that's the case
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like
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He's done a pretty good job of obscuring that yeah
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Yeah, he really has people do not think of him as nothing more than a televangelist
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I think I think that he has made himself so weird and interesting on other levels. Yeah, and
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and
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full of
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Byzantine mazes of bigotry right right right right that you kind of don't
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Don't think of him primarily as somebody who is preoccupied with fighting the literal devil, but I think that's probably
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Pretty fair to say I'm still gonna keep looking around at 2003 sure that this episode is kind of a watershed
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Yeah, this this it convinces me beyond a reasonable doubt mm-hmm
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I would I declare guilty of fighting the literal Christian devil all right. I think I tentatively agree with your
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Your verdict, but I still want I still want more information
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I want him to say you know I want him to say sure I'm fighting the devil sure obvious and also like
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The going back to 2003 and finding episodes like this. It's like there's golden them thar nails you know
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He's interviewing a guy about going to heaven
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This is awesome. It's so much better. Yeah, so much better
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Yep, this is the problem with what you believe nobody wants it to be real
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And you can't go about making it real and getting Trump elected and all that shit
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It's a bad move for the whole world as we've seen just learn your fucking lesson
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Yep, so we have one last clip here, and it's Alex complaining about TV shows
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selling witchcraft
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And then I think Craig Roberts might be not cool with people being gay okay turn on the nightly TV
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It's all witchcraft shows. It's all the occult. It's all
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Mysticism they're selling us their religion
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We have to stand up against them and a lot of people see the phony Christians the New World Order 501 c3 Christians
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I think oh, I'm not I don't want any part of that
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That's another counterfeit in fact would you like to speak to that Colonel Roberts? Oh, yeah?
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Well, you know we're seeing more than that. We're seeing
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They're getting into where it's okay. If you're homosexual. We're getting into
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You know it's okay
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If you lie it so as long as you do it as a team
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And it's not just the television it's in the public school systems. They've not only taken over the media
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They've taken over the educational systems now. That's where they get the youth and that's the big problem
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We've got they can't get you and me we're too smart for that and most of the listeners out there
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They're not gonna have a chance, but they're going they know that and they don't care
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They're going for the kids the same thing Hitler said Wow
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wild
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Wild yeah, just got to get that Hitler in there sooner or later uh-huh and maybe education took over the education system
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Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah, that's a problem. Yeah, I think education is probably the thing that he hates most yeah
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So this this episode was so wild to listen to and so enjoyable on a number of levels
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Yeah compared to especially present day sure sure
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um, but you know you have a guy who went to heaven and Alex trying to interview him and trying to have some semblance of
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like
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This isn't a ridiculous interview right right right right meanwhile
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The guy is talking about his imaginary friend from childhood being there behind him in the waiting room of heaven
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Yeah, it's like what are we doing and then Alex goes to a fucking interview with his water filter sponsor?
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It's just the layers it's like an onion of parody that that him having the gall to be like you know like those fake
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Christians those 501c3
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Christians right it's like are you just mad because they don't pay taxes because you're doing the same shit, man
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You went to a fucking water filter
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Interview in the middle of a story about heaven talking about these fake Christians all obsessed with their money all of these Christians
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Obsessed with their money. We're having a scratch and dent sale. Hey, there's a scratch
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149 it's a great price. It's a great price at MSRP, but this is 149 yeah
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Yeah, so I think we have more reason to believe that Alex thinks he's fighting the literal devil and has forever
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But we will dig deeper and find whatever we can find at 2003 because it's quite enjoyable
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Yeah, but we'll be back Jordan indeed. We will
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Uh we have a website. It's knowledge fight calm hmm. We are also on Twitter
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It's at knowledge underscore fight, and I go to bed Jordan and at imaginary friend
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You're my guardian angel Dan and when we get to heaven I'll find out you've been imaginary the whole
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This podcast would be weird
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Wasn't here very weird that Garfield with that Garfield just knowledge fight without
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Me laughing at my own fucking jokes. Yeah, that'd be brutal every now and again
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We've guessed it on a show and we've had to record our end of the audio to send to them
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And I've gone you know I don't listen to the whole thing or anything
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But I will check make sure the audio sounds okay sure and it is bizarre. You're just one end of the conversation imagining your audio
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Isolated yeah, oh god. Yeah, that was when we were when I was editing the D&D show together
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I was I was isolating everybody's individual tracks, and you could just pick out weird
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sections where if I just wanted to clip that without context
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Beautiful everybody sounds insane yeah, everybody sounds nuts yep, but we'll be back indeed
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We will until then my neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark
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I'm Daryl run this and now here comes the sex robots Andy in Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding
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Oh Alex, I'm a person caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you
