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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying,
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we are the bad guys, knowledge fight.
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Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight.
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Stop it.
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Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding us.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledgefight.
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N-n-n-n-n-knowledgefight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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I like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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I have a quick question for you.
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What's that?
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What's your bright spot today?
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My bright spot is a very rare, possibly unprecedented, advance bright spot.
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I have a bright spot that has not happened yet.
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Okay.
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But as this episode is recorded.
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It's dangerous.
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As this episode is recorded it hasn't happened, but on Friday when it's out.
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It will have happened.
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Pikmin 3 Deluxe will be out.
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Oh shit.
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Oh shit.
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So this is supposed to be my day off and we got called into duty because of world circumstances
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and Alex Jones going on Joe Rogan's podcast.
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What a fucking dick.
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And the way I'm going to treat myself is playing Pikmin later.
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And just the image of that bright spot is enough for me.
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It's keeping you going.
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I love Pikmin.
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You haven't slept for two days so you might as well play some Pikmin before you.
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I've slept a little.
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Yeah come on.
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But yeah I'm very much looking forward to it because there's apparently, like I've played
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Pikmin 3, but apparently there's new stuff added, new puzzles and things.
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I'm very excited.
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Very well made games.
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A lot of fun.
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Cute little aliens.
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Yeah it's great.
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Yeah.
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Fun problem solving.
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You gotta fix your fucking spaceship by finding bottle caps.
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That makes perfect sense.
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Who doesn't love it?
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That's fine with me.
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Yeah.
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Whatever.
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Anyway how about you?
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What's your bright spot?
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You know what?
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I'm going to keep going with the video game thing though.
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I think that's pretty common these days.
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Well there's not much else to do.
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Dude there's so much coming up.
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There's like Assassin's Creed Valhalla.
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I'm super excited for that.
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Oh god.
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Yeah.
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I put well over 200 hours in Odyssey.
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There's the Calamity, Age of Calamity, Zelda.
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Man it's just like by the end of the year there's just going to be too much to play.
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Oh I disagree.
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There's going to be not enough outside to go to.
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There's always a lot of video games but there aren't always a lot that are actually in my
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wheelhouse.
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Yeah yeah yeah.
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And that's kind of alarming.
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Yeah.
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That the end of this year is just full of games that I want to play.
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Kind of makes me think that...
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We might take December off just to play video games.
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No I think the world might take December onward off.
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Oh that'll be the best Christmas gift in the world.
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It's a sign of Armageddon that a lot of games that I like are coming out.
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Hey!
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Whenever my cubs won the World Series we immediately got Trump so there we go.
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You and I cannot enjoy things.
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If they announce in the next month or so that there's a new Donkey Kong Country game, get
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a bunker.
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Cause it's over.
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With a new system.
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I'm sorry I interrupted you.
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Mine is actually retro.
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But about 20 years ago there was this like turn based strategy game like Civilization
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called Master of Magic.
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And I used to play that with my childhood friend like obsessively.
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Yeah.
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And that was of course 20 years ago.
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What I found out recently though is like 10 years ago somebody who also loved that game
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made a mod for Civilization 4.
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So I got everything set up and it's fucking perfect.
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It is exactly the experiences that I wanted 20 years ago.
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And it is nailing it.
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This is all 15 year old shit.
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That's awesome.
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But I've got it on my old computer and it runs perfectly and it makes me feel so good
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like nostalgia all the way.
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I'm very happy for you.
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This would be like if I got, I don't know, returned to Zork.
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Mist?
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Sure.
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Riven?
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Riven.
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Riven.
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No one beat Riven.
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Set in fucking, it's a mod for Fallout 4.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, Jordan, today we've got a lot to go over.
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And I gotta be honest, Jordan.
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Listen, I need to talk to you.
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I'm a little light headed.
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Alright, I'm gonna go get some apple juice.
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And I'm gonna pray to Jesus.
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We've got some in here.
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Listen, I need to talk to you.
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I need to talk to you.
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Jordan, I need to talk to you.
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Oh boy.
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About Alex Jones going on Joe Rogan's podcast.
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A lot of apple juice and screaming, I need to talk to you.
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I will say that Alex does drink about half a bottle of whiskey by the end of this thing.
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That would sound right.
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Yeah.
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How many hours is it?
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Three hours and eleven minutes.
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Half a bottle in three hours and eleven minutes?
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In honor of Alex's favorite band, 311.
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They went three hours and eleven minutes.
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That's fun.
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Yeah.
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That's fun.
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They're satanic, man.
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That's awful.
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They're peanut.
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311.
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Evil.
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They went about three hours.
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And to Alex's credit, I've seen him way drunker.
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Like, it's not...
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But the end is really depressing.
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The end of this episode is incredibly fucked up and depressing.
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But, you know, there's some fun stuff along the way.
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I'm going to...
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I'm finally gonna admit it.
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I killed those dogs.
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I punched a dog in the face.
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Nope, that was our last episode.
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Yeah, that was our last episode.
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I'm going to say that I think that Joe Rogan tries.
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Sure.
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However, I don't think he's committed to what he's pretending to do.
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Which is holding Alex Jones to account for claims that he makes.
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Sure.
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And I also would say that there is literally no way to do an interview like this responsibly.
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Right.
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You just can't do it.
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And I think it's demonstrated by the fact that Joe Rogan is presumably trying.
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Yeah.
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And it fails so miserably.
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Yeah.
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This sucks?
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No, he failed miserably and unforgivably when he booked Alex again.
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Yeah.
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We didn't even need the show.
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True, true.
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And the whole premise of like, you're my friend, I think you're fun.
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Right.
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It's like, is this fun?
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Yeah.
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We'll see if this seems fun.
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Oh boy.
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I apologize, I've been working around the clock to get this episode ready to put out,
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and I forgot to grab some names for shout outs, so we'll do double on the next episode.
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First show.
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Today's my day off.
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To all of you out there who support the show, we really appreciate it.
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Yes.
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And you're all policy wonks.
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Very much so.
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Thank you very much everyone.
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In case anyone needed to hear that drop.
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So Jordan, today it is what it is.
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Here's an out of context drop from today's show.
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You wanna know why I'm so crazy?
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No.
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I love that.
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Yeah, that's nice.
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You wanna know why I'm crazy?
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That's nice.
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No.
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No I do not, sir.
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Yeah, not interested.
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If you start, you're not gonna stop, so no.
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So I generally have watched Rogan's show on YouTube because it's there.
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Sure.
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And I decided that this time I was gonna download the audio, the podcast.
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Sure.
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And that way I could just have the audio version in case anything happened to it, like maybe
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it mysteriously disappears from Spotify.
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It could have happened.
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But apparently since that has happened, it's gotten back up on Spotify.
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Oh, okay.
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And Rogan claims that there was a tech glitch.
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Sure.
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I don't know what's going on.
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Whatever.
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Don't care.
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Fine, it's a tech glitch.
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Don't care.
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What I realize is that Rogan does ads.
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Hello, friends.
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Welcome to the show.
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This episode of the podcast is brought to you by Whoop.
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So Whoop, congratulations on being associated with this.
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Whoop.
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Whoop and Alex Jones.
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Yeah.
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I thought that was surprising because there's, you know, there's an ad at the beginning of
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this episode.
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That's a little bit weird.
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But then it kept going.
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We're also brought to you by the motherfucking Cash App.
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This is funny that there's a Cash App ad on this episode since Cash App is owned by Square,
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which was co-founded and currently owned by Jack Dorsey, the head of Twitter, who's Alex's
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mortal enemy.
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Even funnier when you realize that Square's director and also co-founder is Jim McKelvie,
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who is also on the board of directors for the Federal Reserve Bank in St. Louis.
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This Joe Rogan show is up to its eyeballs in globalist money.
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God damn it.
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Yeah.
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God damn it.
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They're taking globalist money.
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You can't find our corporate overlords.
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There's no space.
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There's no space free of them.
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It's all corporate overlords.
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They're paying off, Rogan.
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Oh, man.
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So there's another ad.
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Oh, God.
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We're also brought to you by Squarespace.
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Squarespace is the host of my website, joerogan.com.
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Nothing against Squarespace.
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They pretty much advertise on all podcasts.
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All the podcasts.
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Yeah.
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They seem to have that niche down.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Them and what?
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Sheets.
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Sheets are everywhere.
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Stamps.com.
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Stamps.com.
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The various mattresses and boxes.
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Oh, you can get a mattress any podcast.
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Yeah.
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And then there's...
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I love...
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Can I just say real quick?
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I love that we don't do ads.
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Yeah, me too.
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We're poor and we're going to die that way.
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But...
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Fair enough.
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God, it's so much better than doing ads.
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Yeah.
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For a whoop.
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Fuck off.
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And then there's another ad.
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We're also brought to you by Tushy.
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Tushy is a bidet that shoots water on your butt.
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A sleek bidet attachment that clips onto your existing toilet.
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He's selling bidet attachments.
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You know, that sold it.
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Yeah.
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I wasn't going to get a bidet.
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But now that Joe Rogan has said you attach it to your toilet and it sprays water up your
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ass.
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Joe, you sold me!
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Yeah.
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I mean, look, I think it's remarkable that Joe Rogan's doing ads.
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Like, he's the biggest podcast in the world.
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Yeah.
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He has all kinds of revenue streams.
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He doesn't need to do this.
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I imagine maybe it's partially...
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I don't know.
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You know, it's...
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You're making so much money off this.
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We live in a world...
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He did like ten minutes of ads in the beginning of this episode.
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You and I live in a world where we didn't need...
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You know, if we had a hundred million dollars, we wouldn't do ads.
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Period.
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I don't know.
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I don't think we'd do the show.
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We'd do something.
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Yeah.
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We would do something.
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Maybe talk about Joe Rogan's podcast.
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Tool around on a boat talking about Joe Rogan's podcast.
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Yeah.
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But it's just one of those things.
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Like, there's no end to capitalism.
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You know, it's always, hey, just because you're making enough money doesn't mean you couldn't
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be making more money, Dan.
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And I'm not criticizing that.
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I'm not hating the hustle.
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No, no, no.
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The hustle is what it is.
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It is what it is.
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I'm just saying that this was surprising to me.
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Yeah.
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Because I didn't think that this was the way that his show operated, because I've only
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watched it on YouTube.
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And these ads are not on the YouTube version, so I thought that is a little bit strange.
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And also, Tushy, Squarespace, Cash App, and Whoop should know that they're associated
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with everything that comes up later, and they should be proud of themselves.
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Oh boy.
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So here's the first clip that is not an ad, and it's Joe Rogan welcoming his producer
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Jamie back to the show.
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Young Jamie, back in the fucking saddle.
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What's up?
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How you feeling?
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Very well, thank you.
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COVID-free, four days in a row now.
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We've kicked it.
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What?
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Now, you still can't taste anything?
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Can't taste sh- Well, I was-
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You lick a battery?
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Sorry to come back today, but yeah, like 5% taste, yeah, it's gotta be, pickle juice doesn't
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even taste like anything.
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Really?
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It just tastes like water?
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay.
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But you don't have any residual symptoms?
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Nothing wrong?
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All good.
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I can breathe everything.
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Yeah.
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Good to see you back, buddy.
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No residual symptoms except for I can't taste pickle juice.
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Ah, man.
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Man.
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Man, people are crazy.
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People are fucking crazy, dude.
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I don't wanna be too judgmental, but the idea that this show is happening at all is nuts.
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On October 19th, it was reported in Forbes that, quote, popular podcast, The Joe Rogan
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Experience, has temporarily been struck down by the coronavirus after a key member of Rogan's
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team tested positive for COVID-19.
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Obviously, I can't possibly be privy to the kind of precautions and such that they take
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or whether or not the announcement on the 19th was delayed from when Jamie got the positive
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diagnosis, but it absolutely blows my mind that they would think it's a great idea to
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have people sitting in a confined space for hours talking and drinking when one of them
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recently had COVID.
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I understand that the Rogan podcast is big business and these tushy ads gotta go somewhere.
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And if he doesn't put out the episodes, you know, that revenue stream might be hindered
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a little bit.
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Don't get that money.
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But doing this seems a little irresponsible.
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If not for their own sake, then for the message that it sends to the audience about how not
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seriously they're taking these things.
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Yeah, look, you're four days free, right?
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That means that we're all safe.
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And you kicked it in a day.
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Oh, God.
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But you can't taste pickles.
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One of these stronger tastes.
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I need to just start carrying around more fruits to throw.
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If I saw Joe Rogan anywhere, it's a tomato to the face as soon as I can, as soon as I
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can unleash it.
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I'm going to promise you this.
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Sure.
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I'm growing some tomatoes.
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Okay.
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You are growing tomatoes.
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Farm to face.
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I'm going to have a satchel.
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I'm going to pick tomatoes every, every show.
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We're going to make this happen.
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I'm going to toss them.
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So here, Alex gets introduced and he is a nerve field.
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He's full of nerves.
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Okay.
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Alex Jones.
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This is the most anticipated thing I ever did.
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I've probably had no exaggeration.
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Two or 3000 people in the last year and a half asked me, when are you going back on
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Joe Rogan?
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And I'm always saying, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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And then I learned you were moving here like three, four months ago and now we're here.
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This is, this is exciting.
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I don't get butterflies anymore, but I'd actually have them here and this is, this is great.
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It's good to have butterflies after about 20 years.
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Didn't get the last two times I was on.
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Didn't get it when I interviewed Trump.
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Didn't get in a lot of things, but I've got butterflies here today.
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I got butterflies.
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Fucking lying piece of shit.
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Totally.
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You fucking lie.
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I haven't even said to Trump, I've got butterflies right now.
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Fuck you.
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Yeah.
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You lying piece of shit.
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Well, I mean, all of these guys, like one of the things that they, uh, they're sort
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of their primary way they operate is to flatter each other in ways that ingratiate themselves.
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Like when we go on other people's podcasts and they're like, I totally love Knowledge
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Fight.
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And you're like, this podcast is seven hours long.
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There's no way you listen to it.
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Nice of you to say so.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're very kind.
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That's great.
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I'm going to have time to listen to this.
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So in the past, whenever Alex has been on Rogan's podcast, he's been accompanied by
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one Eddie Bravo.
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Yes.
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Who is a goofy, uh, kind of fun.
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He brings some levity to things.
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He's a little bit of a space weirdo.
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I like it.
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Flat earth.
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Yeah.
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A little bit.
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Real dumb.
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Real dumb.
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But he's a good dude.
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Also seems to have a charm to him that kind of softs the edges of whenever Alex and Joe
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Rogan are sitting there having a stupid conversation.
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Um, this time Eddie is not there.
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However, there is a third participant and that is comedian Tim Dillon, who is a comedian.
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Do we know him?
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Uh, we have some mutual friends.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I don't know if I've ever met him.
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I think.
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Well, I don't want to meet him anymore.
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I feel like we might've crossed paths when I was in New York, uh, visiting, but I'm not
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entirely sure.
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I don't want to say that because it sounds like I'm like, Oh, I know this guy.
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I don't know.
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I, I do know that there are some circles that overlap.
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Yeah.
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I think I remember the name and it's either because he was, uh, at zanies one time whenever
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I was there.
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Could have been.
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Maybe just hanging out or something.
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Yeah.
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He's a fairly successful comedian.
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No, he's pretty good.
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And, um, from what I understand, like, like I think the only memory that I have of him
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is people I know telling me he's a nice guy.
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Yeah.
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I don't.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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He is not Eddie Bravo.
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I will say that he is not as fun as Eddie Bravo.
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Shit.
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Um, and, uh, as a third wheel, it's weird.
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Um, also there's another dynamic that's going on and that is the Joe Rogan is currently
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doing sober October.
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Uh huh.
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Alex is drinking quote unquote, apple juice and Tim doesn't drink.
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So he's high as hell.
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Okay.
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All right.
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So we got a sampling of the different states of mind that we might see at any given point
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in time on the Rogan show.
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Gotcha.
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Man, do they mix well?
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You know, what never works.
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Somebody who's only drunk hanging out with somebody who's only high.
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It doesn't happen.
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So Tim is in there and he's wearing a shirt cause he wants to be funny and it says free
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Ghislaine.
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Okay.
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Well now I don't like him.
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Yeah.
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I got my free Ghislaine shirt because I believe all women.
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Is that how you say it?
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It's I think so.
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Yeah.
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I thought it was Ghislaine.
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I thought it was Ghislaine.
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It might be Ghislaine.
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It's Ghislaine.
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Do you know?
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Look at me.
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It's Ghislaine.
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It's Ghislaine.
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Ghislaine?
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This is taking a while.
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Yeah.
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Her father was a famous MI6 massage spy that reportedly used sex operatives to control
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people.
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He died being thrown off a yacht in the middle of the Atlantic ocean.
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So okay.
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Is that true?
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Yeah.
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Yeah it is.
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I mean part of it.
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Okay.
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But Alex has absolutely no idea that he's mispronouncing Ghislaine's name.
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Of course not.
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He has the confidence of a man who's wrong, who doesn't care that he's wrong and doesn't
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plan on caring soon.
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Ghislaine Maxwell's father was named Robert Maxwell and I'd love for Alex to try to prove
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any of the things that he's saying about that dude.
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What we do know is that he died after falling off his yacht in the Canary Islands back in
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1991.
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However, Alex is trying to imply that this was a murder and that's not substantiated
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at all.
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The two leading theories are an accident or suicide.
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The rationale for the suicide theory is fairly convincing.
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Prior to his death, Robert Maxwell was a huge name in the print industry, publishing the
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Daily Mirror, Sunday Mirror, New York Daily News, just to name a few of his entities.
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When he died, it was a huge shock and people remembered him fondly with glowing obituaries.
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A month later, a different story would come to the surface.
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As it turned out, Maxwell was deeply in debt and in order to keep his creditors at bay
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while maintaining his luxurious lifestyle, he'd stolen from his employee's pension fund.
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After his death, it was discovered that 460 million pounds had disappeared and just like
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that, the fond memories turned very sour.
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Oh shit, that's where they got the bit from the IT crowd.
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That's where that bit originates from, I guarantee it.
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That's hilarious.
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Yeah, yeah, the boss is like the cops show up at his door and his secretary comes in
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and she's like, uh, the cops are here, they want to talk to you about the pension fund.
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And he just like, okay, that sounds good.
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And he walks over to the window, opens it up and just jumps out.
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I mean, I think that might also just be like kind of a thing you imagine business people
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doing.
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That could be the Hudsucker proxy too, you know.
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After his death, various conspiracy theories have popped up, but Alex couldn't prove any
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of the stuff that he's suggesting on this episode.
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There's no evidence that he was murdered and there's good reason to suspect his death could
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have been due to his own actions or due to an accident.
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There's no evidence that he was a spy and the proof offered is that he was an Israeli
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agent is pretty weak.
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Basically it's just the fact that his funeral took place in Israel and was attended by then
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prime minister and president of the country.
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That's not too weird, given that he was a Jewish man who had escaped Nazi occupation
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as a youth and was a lifelong friend and supporter of the state of Israel.
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Well, that could be.
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I've read some articles that try to make the argument that Maxwell was a spy, but none
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of them are even close to conclusive.
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And even these posts have to call him a quote alleged spy.
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There was a book called Robert Maxwell, Israel's super spy that claims that he was a super
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spy, but the reviews of this thing are not great.
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Oh no.
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Quote, intriguing if somewhat overreaching.
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Quote, at times hard to believe.
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What a very nice euphemism to use.
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Full of shit.
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A review by Michael Pakenham in the Baltimore Sun puts things into somewhat of a perspective.
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The authors of the book are quote one man book factories with 56 previous books released
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between the two of them.
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Kind of get the sense that they just crank shit out.
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Damn it.
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I am shitty at this.
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Yeah, you're 55 behind that pair.
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Pakenham says, quote, this is a big and ambitious book.
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Probably too big.
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I found it finally flawed by excess, by exaggeration of narration and more fatally of conclusions
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that are overdrawn, insufficiently elaborated or substantiated.
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He later says, quote, this amalgam of fact and insinuation converging without distinction
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suggests coining a new category of pros.
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How about infowendo?
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It can be totally possible that Robert Maxwell was secretly a spy, but it's important to
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stress that Alex Jones absolutely cannot substantiate or back up the two main claims that he has
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here to open the show.
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That Ghislaine Maxwell's father was a spy and that he was murdered when he fell off
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that yacht.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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If you were pushed on either of these points, you would immediately have to retreat into
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saying things like, come on, it's been declassified, that kind of shit.
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The idea that he's now making Ghislaine's horrific crimes like a family business, like,
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yeah, her dad trafficked underage girls too, it's just, the Maxwell's just do it, is so
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fucking stupid.
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Well, it's the sort of thing that like, I think that if you want to introduce that as
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I thought, I'm not going to like, I'm not going to critique you for spitballing.
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Like you, Robert Maxwell was a really influential, powerful person.
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Sure.
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But at the same time, I'm going to demand that you have a certain amount of evidence
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to back up your claim.
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Well, you would think it's important.
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Yeah.
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And I just find the evidence of these claims lacking.
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And so I don't know, I do think it's a little bit dumb.
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I like how book reviewers just have to be smart.
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I think we'll invent a new genre of literature, infowendo, as opposed to just being like,
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man, this is bullshit.
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This isn't a new genre.
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This is just an asshole talking shit.
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They have to be diplomatic too, because I think their Venn diagram of book reviewers
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and aspiring authors or authors might be very small.
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So Rogan gets to talking about how Alex told him about Epstein like way back.
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And this is where like things kind of went off the rails for me in terms of like, God
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damn it, this episode is going to be so long.
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You were telling me about Epstein and this island years ago.
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You were telling me long before anybody, I think you told me about him before his first
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arrest.
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A long time ago, I talked about how they have these islands, they fly, they compromise children.
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But I learned all this from Ted Gunderson 20 plus years ago.
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He was in line to be the FBI director.
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He was the head of the FBI in Los Angeles.
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He was a very famous FBI agent, even ran COINTELPRO.
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It's a civil rights movement.
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He apologized for that before he died in 2011.
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Nice of him to do.
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He came out and he was the one that explained to me about how they use these these black
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male rings, elements of the CIA, and foreign intelligence groups, and how they would have
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baselessly make people have sex with children to be part of these clubs and these cults
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they were setting up.
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So I knew about all this from Ted Gunderson.
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So Alex knew all this about Ted from Ted Gunderson.
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Sure.
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With all due respect, I kind of have to suspect that Joe Rogan's memory is a little screwy
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here.
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Searches on Prison Planet and Info Wars don't really show much of an awareness of Epstein
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prior to the mainstream news covering the story.
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So I kind of feel like Rogan might be conflating things, thinking of something else Alex ranted
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about and being like, that's what you talked about, man.
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Any of that.
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I would almost guarantee with Joe on this show, it's like anything that sounds like
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it did eventually happen, he's going to be like, he probably told me before.
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He predicted that.
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Yeah, way before.
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Especially considering you're talking about like 20 year old conversations or you were
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probably stoned out of your mind.
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No shit.
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Like, I don't trust the recall there.
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No, absolutely not.
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Now, as for Alex saying that he heard all this stuff from Ted Gunderson, I'm going to
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go ahead and say, I believe that Ted Gunderson was a long serving FBI agent retiring in 1979
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after a 27 year career, during which time he actually was in charge of multiple cities
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offices, including Los Angeles.
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Alex is not making that up.
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After he retired, he decided to continue as a freelance investigator.
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And that's where things went completely off the rails for him, right?
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In the 1980s, the United States experienced its last completely out of control.
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Satanic panic.
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And one of the more hysterical events in it was the McMartin preschool trial.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to get too much into detail about that.
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But the broad outline is this.
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There was a preschool in California run by the, it was founded by Virginia McMartin and
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run by some relatives.
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A parent of one of the children who attended the school, who is also a severe alcoholic
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and paranoid schizophrenic, made some claims against teachers at the school, which ranged
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from sexual abuse, torture to things that border on magic, like one of them could fly.
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This mother quote, wrote a letter admitting that she didn't know fantasy from reality,
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which was weirdly hidden from the defendants in the eventual trial.
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In the process of investigating these allegations, police sent out a letter to parents of other
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students at that school that was incredibly poorly written and in hindsight, almost designed
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to prompt a panic.
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They said that this assistant at the school, Ray Buckley, was under investigation for molestation
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and encouraged parents to question their children about sexual acts.
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It's hard to imagine being a parent and reading the following line and not being terrified.
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Quote, also photos may have been taken of children without their clothing.
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Jesus.
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Any information from your child regarding having ever observed Ray Buckley to leave
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a classroom alone with a child during any nap period, or if they had ever observed Ray
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Buckley tie up a child is important.
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Naturally, parental concern can go awry and thus a bunch of new claims were made, though
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ultimately no evidence of anything was ever found.
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There are many that believe that the case would never have made it to the headlines
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or even very far into the investigation were it not for timing and politics.
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In 1984, LA District Attorney Robert Philibosian was in a very close race for reelection to
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a post he had not initially won.
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He'd been appointed District Attorney after his predecessor had been elected Attorney
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General of the state of California.
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In the course of his campaign, Philibosian made a big deal of the McMartin case.
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From a 1990 article in the LA Times, quote, when the McMartin preschool indictments were
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first issued in March 1984, then District Attorney Robert Philibosian, facing a tough
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electoral challenge from Reiner, tried to exploit the case.
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During pretrial hearings, he sat at the side of the prosecutors in court, a practice not
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seen in at least 15 years.
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During recesses, Philibosian conducted hallway press conferences to grab some headlines.
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Just before the primary, Philibosian added 92 counts on top of the already existing 115
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and increased the number of alleged victims from 18 to 42.
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Robert Philibosian lost his run for the DA office, but the damage had been done, and
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by the time his successor, Ira Reiner, took over, the case was too big for it to just
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go away.
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There were allegations of ritualistic abuse against a ton of kids, which was now the biggest
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story in the country.
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Which is a problem.
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Seven people were ultimately arrested and indicted for these alleged crimes, including
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Buckley, his mother, and his sister, as well as three teachers at the school.
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All charges were dropped against five of them before the case went to trial, leaving only
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Ray Buckley and his mother Peggy as co-defendants.
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This was the longest and most expensive trial in US history, ultimately ending up with almost
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30 months of testimony and over two months of jury deliberations.
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In the end, Peggy was acquitted of all charges, and the jury was deadlocked on 13 of the charges
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against Ray, with the foreperson of the jury explaining, quote, the interview tapes were
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too biased, too leading.
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That's the main crux of it.
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Ray Buckley would go on to be retried, coincidentally around the time when Ira Reiner was attempting
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to run for the office of California Attorney General, and again they would fail to reach
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a conviction.
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The state decided not to try Ray again, and all charges were dismissed.
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The entire affair was a disgrace, and the pain it caused is almost unimaginable.
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From the employees of the school whose lives were ruined, to the children who were terrorized
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by the media attention in an almost comically long trial, $15 million in taxpayer money
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was spent to ultimately achieve nothing other than leave emotional scars.
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Though it's easy to see some of the political motivations for the prosecution, the ability
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for it to get there only really happened because of a couple specific people.
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One of them was a therapist named Key McFarland.
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McFarland worked at the Children's Institute International and was in charge of questioning
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the children who responded to the sensational letter from the police.
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This was not well done.
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Quote, videotapes of the interviews also showed that McFarland and other therapists relied
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heavily on leading questions and subtle pressure to persuade children to join the chorus of
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accusers.
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The defense played tapes that showed therapist Sean Connerly telling child interviewees that
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183 kids had already revealed quote, yucky secrets, and that all the McMartin teachers
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were quote, sick in the head and deserve to be beaten up.
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The way she went about her work became an issue at the trial, and quote, outside of
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the presence of the jury, Judge Pounders declared quote, in my view, her credibility is becoming
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more of an issue as she testifies here.
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She was not even called as a witness for the prosecution in the second trial.
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Oh, that's great.
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Yeah.
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McFarland's style of questioning led to children making sensational claims like ritualistic
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animal sacrifice, secret torture rooms only accessible by tunnels, people flying.
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Some might suggest that allegations of underground rooms were the results of being asked by the
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therapists using devil puppets, quote, if they find a secret room, what do you think
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they'll find?
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That implies to a child that you're interviewing the existence of a secret room.
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There already is a secret room.
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Right.
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Very suggestible leading questions.
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Yep.
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The ensuing claims of underground rooms and tunnels would need to be investigated, and
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you can probably already guess the independent investigator who got called in for that job.
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Went underneath the Getty and found all the Nazis.
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No.
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Ted Gunderson.
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Oh, that's what happened.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to loop this back into Alex.
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All right.
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I can't say for certain what he was up to or why any of this happened, but by this point,
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Ted Gunderson clearly had lost his mind.
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He was an independent investigator, but he wasn't the only one investigating this case.
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It would be an understatement to say that his report on the matter doesn't match what
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anyone else has found.
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That's unsurprising.
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For one, Ted claimed that he had found a 45 foot tunnel that had nine foot wide entrances
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under Ray Buckley's classroom.
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That's pretty fucking huge.
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And that's not the sort of thing that other people would miss.
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You could see that.
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You could knock on the fucking floor and hear a giant hollow fucking room underneath it
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if it's that big.
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Strangely, no one but Ted has evidence of these hand dug tunnels that apparently contained
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quote over 100 animal bones and quote a small white plastic plate with three pentagrams
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hand drawn on top.
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Those are very easy to find.
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Animal bones?
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If they're in a giant nine foot by nine foot tunnel underneath a classroom.
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Well animal bones are also easy to find on this property that previously was a garbage
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dump.
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Sure, sure.
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Whatever.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, and also in his report he has a picture of this plate that has the pentagrams.
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They're just stars.
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I don't know.
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They're not like in a circle.
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There's nothing overly- Are they made of macaroni?
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Was it from the actual class?
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I don't know.
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So Gunderson wasn't actually the only person who found this evidence.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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He also had an archaeologist named E. Gary Stickle commissioned to do a very rushed archaeological
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assessment of the school looking for these fabled tunnels.
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This work took place in 1990 around when the second trial was going on, but the DA's office
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told them even before they began their dig that they quote would not consider using any
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additional data from their work.
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It was legally pointless for them to do this.
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Oh great, great, great, great, great, great.
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Did he find evidence of angels?
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Is that what he found as a great archaeologist?
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I read Stickle's archaeological report and it's very difficult to pretend this is a professional,
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unbiased work.
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It's full of conjecture about cover-ups and conspiracy as well as many topics that are
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far outside the scope of archaeological evidence.
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By the time Stickle went to work there had already been an official investigation and
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by March 1985 some of the parents had carried out an unprofessional digging expedition of
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their own which had turned up nothing.
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The site that Stickle had to work on was completely disrupted and contaminated.
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If you read his own report it's full of problems, like how earlier parents had dug up a 15 foot
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hole looking for an entrance to a tunnel, which was this hole that they dug 15 feet
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down was 3 feet by 3 feet and they ended up finding nothing, and that quote, this is from
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his report, quote, due to their lack of qualifications and experience, any possible entrance to a
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tunnel could have been obscured by haphazard digging.
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What?
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That tunnel is too big to obscure with haphazard, haphazard digging would probably reveal it
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faster than good digging.
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It seems like it might.
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It might fall down a hole at any point in time.
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If this report is anything, it's long.
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Researchers who have compared Stickle's report to the official investigation have noted a
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number of notable errors and omissions in Stickle's report, like the fact that there
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is quote, no mention of the fact that the area of the side lot was used as a trash dump
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prior to 1942.
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This would go a long way towards explaining some of the artifacts that Stickle's report
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pretends are suspicious.
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Stickle claims that his use of ground penetrating radar showed the existence of a 50 foot tunnel,
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but weirdly the company he contracted to do the work, which is called Spectrum, said quote,
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no evidence was found to support the existence of filled in underground, sorry, below ground
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tunnels.
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So he basically did his own ghost hunter show where he's just walking around going like,
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I feel it.
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I feel this is where it's happening.
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Yeah.
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He might as well have.
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Yeah.
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It's outrageous.
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Yeah.
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There are clear instances of Stickle fudging details to reach the conclusion that normal
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things he found while digging around the site already contaminated by previous amateur digs
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and already investigated by professionals were in fact proof of secret underground tunnels
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and torture rooms.
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He produced this report, Ted Gunderson used it to prove to the world, although there was
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no evidence and the trials were embarrassing, this was in fact the site of satanic abuse.
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Dan, I imagine you and I being back in the satanic panic would be experiencing almost
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exactly the same feeling that we are right now where it's just like you stick your head
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out and you look around and everyone is insane and you're just like, I don't say there are
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overlaps.
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There isn't the literal Christian devil isn't, oh, there, there, there are overlaps.
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Oh God.
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So from this point, Ted Gunderson became an all star in the world of extreme right wing
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conspiracy theorists, spouting nonsense as an expert on the insidious world of Satanism
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that is hiding right in plain sight and in that tunnel over there.
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The fact that no one was convicted and no one believed his supposed evidence is only
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further proof of just how deeply rooted this satanic conspiracy is.
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This became Ted's niche and he was the go-to expert for zealots to have around to lead
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credibility to their nonsense demon claims based on the illusion that he has ever produced
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anything worthwhile.
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This is how Ted's path must have crossed with Alex's.
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I guess at some point Ted told Alex some crazy stuff, which I guess is now the basis for
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Alex's career, as opposed to him just being against the world government and private banks.
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To be perfectly blunt, his flawed work on this case has allowed it to not exist as a
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cautionary tale for some people, but as an actual proven satanic conspiracy.
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In many ways, the satanic panic that we're going through right now and may not survive
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is in some part thanks to Ted's bullshit and Alex carrying on his legacy.
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Oh, and as if that weren't messy enough, it later came out that Ted Gunderson was involved
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with Jackie McGauley, a parent of one of the students at McMartin Preschool who was super
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involved in the amateur excavation efforts.
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Kinda biased, Ted.
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Good fucking god.
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Do you know the only time the FBI produces anything good is when it's in a movie?
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Real life the FBI is wall-to-wall garbage always.
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I mean, I would disagree with that because of so much stuff that just you don't ever
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hear about.
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Sure, sure.
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You seem to be decent at record-keeping about a lot of stuff you can find in the FBI vaults
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is shockingly well-kept records of interviews and things.
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Sure.
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They seem to be good at paperwork.
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Sure!
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I believe that.
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A lot of admin.
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They seem to be pretty good at it.
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See now, that's where they hire good people.
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The problem is they hire bad people for all the other positions.
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I also believe that Ted Gunderson may have been an effective FBI agent at some point
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during those 27 years.
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I imagine Hoover might have been an effective FBI agent at one point in time or another.
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That's something that's kind of difficult is that some people do not thrive outside
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of supervision.
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Some people who could be a good agent with a boss or within a structure can't operate
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as independent because they get an idea and then they want to prove that idea and they
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don't have the restraints of oversight, let's say, that keep them in check.
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Looking at Ted Gunderson, that's kind of the way I feel about it.
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He wasn't proving a satanic conspiracy when he was in the FBI because he had a boss, and
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not because the boss was stopping him from finding the truth, but because those instincts
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to allow unproven shit to be felt as if it was proven were reined in.
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Hey, take this to the president, and I just need his sign off on this.
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I want to put all of the FBI's resources into investigating whether or not ghosts exist.
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Please tell the president that, and then once he gives me that signature, then I'll be able
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to get started.
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He said no?
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Why?
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I don't understand.
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Uh-huh.
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Back to drug running?
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Is that what you want me to... Drugs should be legal.
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Ghosts should be illegal.
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Yeah.
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Ban ghosts.
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Ban ghosts!
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You're fired.
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All right.
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Private investigation it is, sir.
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I don't know.
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It just feels like Occam's Razor makes that a simpler explanation to understand than the
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world is run by satanic human trafficking groups that all communicate with each other,
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and there's no evidence of any of this.
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Right.
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I don't know.
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Could be.
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It's a bit much.
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At this point, Rogan starts complaining about Borat.
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He does seem to like Sacha Baron Cohen, but he has some problems.
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He thinks they did Rudy dirty.
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Why?
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This, the Borat movie, where they...
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Try to set Giuliani up.
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Yeah.
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If you haven't seen it, it's very disappointing, because...
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They set him up.
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I saw it.
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Yeah.
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They did set him up, but nothing happened.
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They made it look like Giuliani was jerking off in front of this girl.
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He was taking his mic off.
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He would have to be the biggest savage on earth to jerk off in that situation.
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Uh-huh.
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Joe?
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They also said that he inappropriately touched her back.
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When he touched her back, I am not exaggerating, it was like this.
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Right.
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It was a couple of light taps on the back while she was close to him, taking off his
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mic thing.
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Were you going to say 15?
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He goes, thank you very much, dear.
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Yeah.
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You might not want to minimize that behavior, because even that is a little... It's dodgy.
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Don't touch a 15-year-old ever.
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Especially if you're Rudy fucking Giuliani.
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Exactly.
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Go home.
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Yeah.
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You're Rudy Giuliani.
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Go home.
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Yeah.
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And stay there.
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Yeah.
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And lock the doors from the outside.
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Yeah.
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It's a little bit... It seems like, hey buddy, this is a position you don't need to take.
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What is it then?
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This seems unnecessary.
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These dudes have to be like, it's okay for dudes to touch women.
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They just have to be like that.
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It's like part of their fucking life view.
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I don't understand the impulse to defend Rudy Giuliani from being alone in a hotel room
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with someone that he thinks is 15 and touching her on the side, around the ribs.
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That is not okay.
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Not least of which.
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Not least of which.
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Here's my other big problem.
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He didn't even do anything, because they had to stop him.
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Wow.
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Because they had to stop him from doing stuff.
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Debatable, but probable.
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I don't know.
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I think that that's a harder argument to have than one where it's like, all right, why is
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it such a hard thing to just say don't do... The circumstances that Rudy was in are
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circumstances you should never find yourself in.
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It's not like, don't excuse the touching of this person when he should not have been there
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to begin with.
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100%.
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If this were- The trap that they set was the existence
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of this interview.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He chose.
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What happened after that is gravy.
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He could have just given an interview.
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Right.
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The end.
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In a professional setting.
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Totally.
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Anything like that.
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Absolutely.
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It would have been totally fine.
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I mean, sometimes there are like somebody who's 15 and maybe you want to help them out
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on their path of conservative pundit ship or whatever.
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There's an appropriate way to do that, and there's an inappropriate way to do that.
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From everything I can tell about this, the joke or whatever, the setup is a completely
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inappropriate setting for this to happen, and then let's see what happens.
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Like I said, man, Rogan seems to want to be clear that he does like Sasha Baron Cohen's
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comedy, but also it's totally cool what Rudy was doing.
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Jesus.
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I fucking love Sasha Baron Cohen.
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He's a comic genius.
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I love him.
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I think he's brilliant.
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I think he's amazing.
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But his interpretation of what happened in the room with Rudy Giuliani, it's not accurate,
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in my opinion.
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Well, listen, I mean, and who is America?
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Let's see, he's tapping her while she's touching him and removing his mic.
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He does this little tap on her waist, but it's not creepy.
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It's like an old man.
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To you!
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Little tap, tap, tap.
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Right, right.
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That is creepy!
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In your opinion, that's not creepy.
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In mine, it's super creepy.
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Super duper creepy.
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So here's where we have found an impasse.
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And then your example.
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It's like an old man touching you.
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Yeah, that's super creepy!
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Yeah.
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Old men are super creepy and gross.
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Yeah, especially when there's an intrinsic super power imbalance.
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Super power imbalance.
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America's mayor, lawyer of the president, and an aspiring allegedly 15-year-old conservative
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journalist.
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Yeah.
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Like, there is a very serious responsibility of behavior that you have to uphold in those
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sorts of circumstances.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, fuck you, man.
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This is just nonsense.
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Lois Lane was already an intrepid reporter.
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If Lois Lane was 15 dating Superman, that's fucked up.
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That's a serious power imbalance.
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Especially if Superman used to be the mayor of New York.
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During 9-11.
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During 9-11.
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Was a huge celebrity, was the lawyer to the current president.
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Yeah, and then lost his, well, yeah.
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And was like 70, and was a noted creep.
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Super creep.
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Jesus.
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So, there's an elephant in the room, and it's not that Alex has constantly lashed out at
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Joe on his own show.
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Yeah, why would that be?
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And called him the sneaky snake and all kinds of other things.
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No, don't worry about that.
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It's that people have criticized Joe for having Alex on his show.
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Aw, I'm so sorry.
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Right, and Rogan's got a philosophy.
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People have criticized me for being friends with you and for talking to you, and they
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also criticized me for not supporting a lot of these people that got banned and deplatformed.
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My take on it has always been, the best way to counter wrong speech is correct speech.
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When someone says something that's wrong, or someone says a conspiracy theory that's
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not accurate, the best way to counter that is to do better speech, to have people say
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the accurate information.
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I'm unequipped to debate the point of whether or not, quote, correct speech is the answer
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to bad speech.
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That could get a little philosophical, and I don't really know what the answer is, so
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for the purposes of what I'm about to say, let's stipulate that Joe is right, and that
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the answer to people who are malicious con artists, liars, and frauds, is to have them
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come on your very popular show so you can engage in correct speech.
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Even if that's the case, then I suggest that Joe Rogan is not ready or capable of having
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a correct speech with Alex Jones.
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We're less than ten minutes into this episode, and already Joe has allowed Alex to assert
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that Robert Maxwell was a British and Israeli spy who was murdered on his yacht, and that
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Ted Gunderson revealed real proof of satanic pedophile cabals.
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Those are two massive instances of bad speech that Joe has just allowed Alex to present
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as undisputed fact, with no attempt to bring up correct speech to correct it.
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There was no follow-up of something like, how do you know Maxwell was a spy?
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Or why don't you tell our audience more about who Ted Gunderson is?
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The reality is, with a conversation like this, where you just want to have fun with your
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alleged friend Alex Jones, that's never going to be something you can engage in publicly
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responsibly, because he is a compulsive liar, and you don't want to grind the show to a
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halt to fact check every piece of bullshit that comes out of his mouth.
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It only makes matters worse when Rogan, in that ten minutes, has also repeatedly asserted
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that it's no big deal that Rudy Giuliani touched the waist of a girl he believed to be fifteen
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in a hotel room while he was trying to get her personal contact information.
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This is an outrageous kind of behavior, where they're trying to argue that everything is
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fine because Rudy wasn't actually jerking off while they just pretend that the entire
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context of him having a drink in a hotel room with a girl he believes to be fifteen, whatever,
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doesn't matter.
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Sure.
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Joe Rogan, due to his own blind spots and his strange insistence on pretending Alex
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is actually his friend when he is clearly not, Joe is incapable of engaging in this
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conversation in a way that would effectively be the kind of corrective speech he imagines
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that he's engaged in.
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He's being used by Alex, and the more this happens, the less I'm able to pretend that
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he's not a willing participant in it.
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Nah, fuck him.
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Yeah, the illusion is kind of, uh, it's hard to swallow at this point.
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I would even, I would even argue stipulating that he was right is a terrible idea.
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Like what we've discovered...
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Well, just for the sake of following the thought.
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It's just his take is so fucking stupid.
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We've even seen, like, okay, here's what we've seen.
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When the left tries tolerance of the intolerant, the intolerant take over and start killing
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people.
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True.
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And when we deplatform people, all of a sudden they don't have as much power to take over
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and kill us all.
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Yes, that is true.
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I'm not entirely sure that that entire dynamic works the same way with speech, but what they
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are categorizing as speech is an insanely broad topic that's very difficult to parse
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the differences between like, oh, I disagree with you about, uh, something like tax policy
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or I'm lying.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm intentionally trying to mislead people about things for political gain.
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Those are both speech presumably, but I think that the way you would engage with them are
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different.
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Yeah.
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Now beyond that, I don't know if his take is stupid because I don't know, there may
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be a way in which corrective types of speech are the answer to the things like Alex.
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Maybe it is.
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I don't know.
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I'm not convinced that it is, even though I do a show about it, I'm not sure that our
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show is the answer to Alex in any way.
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I don't know.
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I think it's, that's a question for bigger minds than mine.
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The only thing that I'm saying when I say I'm stipulating that he's right is that otherwise
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I couldn't point out that he still can't do that.
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Of course, of course.
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Even if he's right, he can't do that.
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Perfect circumstances.
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Yeah.
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He still fails.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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As we said, before he even had Alex on the show.
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Yeah.
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Conceptually, your plan sucks.
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Yeah.
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Maybe the hardest nose reporter in the world could handle that kind of an interview responsibly
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with Alex.
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I'm not even, I'm not even shitting on Joe in the sense of like, I could do it.
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Yeah.
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I don't think I could.
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I mean, I've been kicked out of this thing long before the three hour, 11 minute mark.
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I mean, Bob Woodward would have released the tape six months after Alex had already killed
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a few hundred thousand people, but you know, he's nice.
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Well, but I mean, that takes a while to get the binding.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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The tapes.
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Yeah.
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Look dude, the issue is that censoring is a slippery slope.
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When you start censoring people, the problem is it's a fucking slippery slope and there's
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a reason why we've been so steadfast in supporting the first amendment in this country.
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And people think it doesn't apply to tech because these tech institutes are private
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businesses and they should be able to do whatever they want with their private business.
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No one says that.
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The problem is that fucking slippery slope has gone from censoring you from banning Alex
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Jones off Twitter a year and a half ago to getting the white house press secretary banned
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off Twitter because she posts something from the New York post, which is crazy.
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It's crazy.
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It's crazy.
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That's a 200 and whatever year old newspaper.
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A couple of quick points here.
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White house press secretary, uh, Kayleigh McEnany, uh, her Twitter is still up and active.
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She's been tweeting quite a bit about Hunter Biden, so I don't know Joe's trying to say
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about her getting banned.
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I'm guessing she posted a link to that New York post story that was blocked and it's
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being exaggerated to her getting kicked off Twitter.
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I'd like to correct Joe's wrong speech with some correct speech.
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Oh, that's smart.
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Censoring things on Twitter has nothing to do with the first amendment unless the government
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is doing it.
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You don't have a right to say whatever you want, wherever you want to, particularly if
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you're on a platform that someone else runs.
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If you were a guest on my radio show, it might be totally legal for you to be racist as hell,
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but it would be my right to not allow you to do so on my show.
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I legitimately have no idea what people like Joe Rogan imagine the first amendment to mean.
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I guess the way I would approach this kind of conversation is I would ask him what scenarios
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exist where it would be okay to kick someone off Twitter and then try to go from there.
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Is it okay to kick someone off for threatening another user?
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If so, why is that okay?
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If it's okay for Twitter to kick someone off for threatening an individual's safety, is
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there a possibility that there's a responsibility that the platform has to act when there are
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other threats to people's safety, like when people are lying about a public health crisis
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for profit, or they're spreading misinformation about an upcoming election?
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Is there a communal responsibility?
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These are challenging issues, and I can see a reasonable conversation between people who
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have different views on it, but what I can't see being a good use of time is a couple of
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idiots yelling about the first amendment because weirdly all their bigot friends are getting
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kicked off popular platforms for things like starting a violent Western chauvinist street
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gang or endorsing pedophilia on your podcast.
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Sure, sure, those are bad things.
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The only solution these dumdums ever put forth is repealing section 230 of the Communications
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Decency Act, which makes these platforms like Twitter, makes them platforms instead of publishers,
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which relinquishes them of legal responsibility for the things that people post.
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If you were to repeal section 230, not only would it completely destroy things like Facebook
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and Twitter, it would effectively make it so you could never run a social media site
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without incredibly intense moderation and censorship.
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Any time anybody posted copyright material, you could get sued.
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Any time anyone threatened another user, you could be held responsible.
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If someone used your messenger service to organize a criminal act, you might find yourself
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being an accomplice.
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I think it's a great idea.
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I'm not sure what I think about Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden New York Post story, but
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I know what Alex and Joe should think about it.
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They should be fucking excited.
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The fact that the controversy broke out about it, blocking of the story, got way more attention
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than the story deserves.
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So stupid.
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Also, the New York Post is not America's oldest newspaper.
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That's the Hartford Courant.
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Or if you're not only counting continuously published papers, you could go with the New
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Hampshire Gazette if you allow papers that sometimes took a little time off.
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You know what bums me out about any argument about the First Amendment?
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It is not long.
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It is not a long amendment.
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If you are going to have a discussion about the First Amendment, someone should write
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it on the wall.
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It should be in front of you.
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You should be able to read the First Amendment while we're discussing this and then tell
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me what backs up your bullshit written within the amendment.
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That's what I need you to do.
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You can't just tell me what you think the First Amendment says.
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And to Rogan's credit, a little bit later, he will make a point that he believes that
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these companies have grown to the point where they effectively should be considered utilities.
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Oh, they're governments.
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And hey, I don't think that that's the stupidest thing.
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It just requires a different solution.
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It requires, if you want to treat them like utility, move towards that.
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As opposed to like saying, hey, Alex Jones is a bad actor and he got kicked off this
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person's platform.
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Like change the right thing or have a conversation about the right thing.
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The First Amendment doesn't apply in these circumstances.
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If you want to talk about the other stuff, go for it, but stop confusing people.
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Slippery slope arguments are not interesting to me in 2020.
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Not least of which because we are at the bottom of that slope underneath a giant rock that
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Trump rolled on top of.
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Nah, baby.
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I don't give a shit about your slippery slope arguments.
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We're trying to go up that fucking slope.
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Well, this slope of decency goes a little further downward.
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Oh, God.
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But I'll tell you what else has come out now.
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His daughter, Biden's daughters, reportedly, reportedly, and they've not denied it now,
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was broke three days ago, left her diary in a house that she had rented.
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And the diary talks about all the same stuff.
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Go fuck yourself.
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Bullshit.
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That's off.
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Alex and Joe don't say anything or verifiable about Hunter Biden's laptop.
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So I thought it'd be kind of fun and trolly just to ban conversation of it from our podcast
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like Twitter did.
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So that's what I'm doing.
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That'd be fun.
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It's my platform, baby.
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I like it.
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Section 230.
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Done.
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That said, I'm going to touch on this really fast.
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Apparently Alex's buddy, Tom Papert, over at National File.
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Then I can trust him.
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He published what's alleged to be Biden's daughter, Ashley's diary from 2019.
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And if you read their article about it, it's pretty disgusting and how it revels in Ashley's
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supposed marital troubles and affairs.
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That story was published on October 26th, but that same day, another article was posted
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on National File by our favorite baby detective, Patrick Hawley.
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Here's the deal.
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These ding dongs have an uphill battle in terms of proving to me that this is actually
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Biden's daughter's journal.
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I don't trust them at all, particularly someone like Patrick Hawley.
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And after reviewing the materials, I'm not convinced that it's definitely a real journal.
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But even assuming that it is, this is an outrageously disgusting move on their part.
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If it's real, then it's the private journal of someone struggling with addiction and mental
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health.
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And I find this kind of thing completely unforgivable.
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I'm not going to discuss the contents of the passages from the alleged journal because
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nothing of it inside it rises to the level of feeling like it's appropriate to discuss.
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There's no allegations, there's no claims in it that matter to people outside of the
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journal writers' lives, their own lives.
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It's their business.
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And if it's real, then this is a horrific violation of their right to process their
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pain in the way they see fit.
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Go fuck yourselves.
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How dare you?
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Yeah.
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One, I feel like this is like telling me that Go Ask Alice is a real diary.
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You know, Go Ask Alice is bullshit.
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I just tried LSD yesterday and tomorrow I'm going to try weed, you know, like that kind
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of thing.
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Hey, Joe, how about you correct this wrong speech?
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Yeah, no shit.
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And two, just fucking...
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You going to let this fly on your fucking platform?
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Francis Kielwehr's diary was published 30 years after his death.
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That's the type of shit.
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Fuck diary.
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Let's imagine that this story is entirely true and the reporting on it is valid.
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Joe Rogan still apparently is of the mind that reporting on someone's diary is a becoming
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use of his time.
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I find that to be a little bit sad.
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I imagine that if Joe Rogan's personal business were put out for everyone to see, he might
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not appreciate it very much.
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No, and I certainly think that if it were private messages to yourself about pain and
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how you're processing things, like I wouldn't want to read that from Joe, even if I wanted
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to make fun of him.
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No shit.
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Like even if Alex is, like I know so much private stuff about Alex that I don't want
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to know.
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Yeah.
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I don't bring up on the show because it's like, that's not my business.
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I hate him and I still, I just can't imagine wanting to use that as ammunition against
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somebody.
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It just seems so disgusting.
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Yeah.
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It says more about you than it does about anybody who has a journal.
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100%.
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So, uh, here's some more wrong speech.
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Trump doesn't have those outside connections.
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You can't buy him.
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He doesn't have lobbyists.
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The problem is he then has family and people around him that basically become lobbyists
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for themselves and Trump isn't really even aware of it.
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And then that's going on.
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And I mean, even junior aides now you'll find out have people given a millions of dollars
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you just to say something to the president.
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Is this standard shit?
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Is this just how politics have always been done and just now we're seeing it?
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Well, it was standard, let's say 200 years ago that you'd go out for the wife or the
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brother or, or somebody that works at the white house.
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It got organized the last hundred years with lobbyists.
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Trump literally cut the lobbyist off, but all it did was now make everyone around him
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a lobbyist.
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They're not officially a lobbyist.
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How did he cut the lobbyists off?
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He just stopped meeting with them and stop and just said, I want briefings on what's
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going on.
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I'll decide.
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So that's why he pissed official Washington off.
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This is a nice spin for Alex to claim that Trump's family and everyone around him are
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all lobbyists because you can't buy Trump and he won't meet with lobbyists.
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That's some two plus two is five shit.
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That's bad.
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In the real world, Trump has done literally everything he can to buddy up with lobbyists
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and is running by far the most lobby friendly administration in recent history.
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Oh yeah.
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In October, 2019 ProPublica published a report identifying 281 lobbyists that Trump had hired
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into his administration, which is quote four times more than the Obama administration.
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The Associated Press found that quote, in less than three years, Trump named more former
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lobbyists to cabinet level posts than his most recent predecessors did in eight years.
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One of the things that's scariest about how Trump has operated is that he's been willing
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to hire lobbyists to positions that involve the fields they previously were lobbying in.
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Who knows better than the people who destroyed the environment how best to protect the environment,
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Dan?
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For example, is Colin Roski, who left a career in healthcare lobbying to join the Department
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of Health and Human Services in January 2019.
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What a coincidental situation.
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Virginia Cantor, the Ethics Chief Counsel of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics
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in Washington told ProPublica that the number of lobbyists Trump was hiring, quote, suggests
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that lobbyists see themselves as more effective in furthering their clients special interests
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from inside the government rather than from outside.
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That's a shocking conclusion to make.
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And this phenomenon goes in both directions.
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In July, Politico reported on 82 former Trump administration officials who'd left their
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jobs and registered as lobbyists, despite Trump's claim that he was going to put a five
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year ban on lobbying for people who left government employment.
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His goddamn chief of staff Reince Priebus is now the chairman of Michael Best, a high
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profile lobbying firm.
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Back in July, there was plenty of reporting you can find about how Trump connected lobbyists
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were receiving billions of dollars from coronavirus stimulus package packages while the independent
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businesses that were struggling were left fending for scraps, which is just weird.
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This whole thing is just a disgraceful lie sold to people who like to chant drain the
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swamp.
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Watchdog groups and journalists who have actually looked at the staffing decisions are pretty
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universal in their conclusion that Trump is probably the most lobbyist infested presidency
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that anyone can remember in recent history.
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And I think we've seen the results of that.
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Joe Rogan may not know this, and his research team is a guy with Google who's working on
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the fly and is getting over COVID.
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Yeah, I was going to say who recently had a disease.
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Yeah.
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It's not okay to just let Alex pass off complete lies like this to a grandized Trump when you're
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completely unprepared to have a conversation about the reality and demonstrate to your
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impressionable audience that the man sitting in front of you, who is your friend, is a
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liar.
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If you're not able to demonstrate that, you can't have the conversation because then the
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opposite conclusion will be reached by your audience.
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Yeah.
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And even then Alex's argument is, no, no, no, no, no.
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It's not crony capitalism.
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It's nepotism.
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That's way better.
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It's nepotism that turns into a form of crony capitalism because the relatives and friends
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just de facto become lobbyists because lobbyists can't meet with Trump because so now they,
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that's not better.
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Alex just described a far worse system than what we had prior and Joe is like, Oh, well
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that's good.
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Yeah.
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It's like, Hey, it's like before, but you know, the lobbyists who used to just be professionals
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are now related.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, there's also a familial attachment there to make it, to make it really fraught.
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I love it.
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Yeah.
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That's great.
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So interestingly, um, they talk about this a little bit more and we get our first instance
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of Joe actually kind of pushing back, which I was surprised by.
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Yeah.
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Everyone around him in his cabinet and everyone that works there, even down to mid-level people
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are now getting multimillion dollar contracts for companies like AT&T and stuff just to,
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just to, just to even mention something to the president.
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But hold up.
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That's bad.
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You said AT&T, does it have been proven that it's AT&T or are you just saying AT&T like
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companies?
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Like large companies?
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Let's just say, I'm not saying AT&T is bad.
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I think AT&T is overall good company.
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But is AT&T doing something bad?
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No, I just, I was mentioning that as a fortune 500 company.
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Okay.
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But it's not AT&T.
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No, it's not AT&T.
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So we shouldn't say that.
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See, this is why you need someone that's like a fact checker right next to you.
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No, no.
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Slow down.
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The media will say I'm wrong about that, but okay.
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Um, but no, no, hold on.
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His personal lawyer, his personal lawyer, the one that ended up going to jail, actually
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Michael Cohen, Michael Cohen was getting money from AT&T.
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Go ahead and pull it up.
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I mean, I was just trying to give you a gestalt quick analysis, but I just want to, I've told
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you before what you really need on your show is like a, a legit journalist who's right
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next to you with a laptop going, Alex, hold on.
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Hold on.
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Joe has a great idea there.
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Although he probably doesn't realize that Alex's entire style of conversation and broadcast
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is designed so that you can't fact check him without taking for a fucking ever and slowing
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down any kind of entertainment value of your show.
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Yeah, you got it.
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There's a reason that our episodes are so long and that I desperately need you to yell
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a bunch.
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Alex is basically the inverse show.
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If there was a talented journalist sitting next to him, it would be fight knowledge instead
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of knowledge, right?
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Yeah.
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Outside of being forced to do so by some weird, bizarro court ruling, Alex will never have
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someone suggesting he stopped making shit up.
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That was a nice attempt by Joe to push back on something Alex was saying, but you can
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see here how slippery Alex tries to be and how he needs to be seen as right, even when
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admitting that he's wrong.
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Alex can say that Trump campaign members are getting million dollar deals from companies
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like AT&T and then when he's pressed on it, he has to admit he's just using AT&T as an
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example.
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So he doesn't know anything about AT&T.
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I don't actually have any real examples, I'm just saying.
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But also Michael Cohen did have a million dollar deal with AT&T, so I guess that's not
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true and Alex was right to use AT&T as an example.
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You see how this is intentionally obtuse.
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It's supposed to be confusing, so you have a difficult time nailing down exactly what
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Alex is even saying.
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An article in Reuters from 2018 discusses how Michael Cohen's consulting firm Essential
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Consultants LLC was paid approximately $600,000 in 2017 by AT&T to advise them on how to work
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with Trump.
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This is not illegal, but it's shady as hell.
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And guess what?
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Cohen was still working for Trump at the time.
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If anything, this is just an indication of the shady, sleazy behavior that was tolerated
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and totally normal in Trump's circle.
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The whole thing is just corrupt to ask people being corrupt.
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Like, there was a huge merger on the table between AT&T and Time Warner, which Trump
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had been opposed to, since it would, as he said, put quote, too much concentration of
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power into the hands of too few.
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After the election, quote, Cohen approached AT&T about working on their behalf in the
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post-election transition.
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He was given a one-year contract at $50,000 per month.
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In fairness, AT&T also donated $2 million towards Trump's inauguration, so it wasn't
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like Cohen was the only person getting cash to win.
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Everybody made their peace.
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Everybody made their peace.
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Except for America.
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We got no peace.
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The argument that Alex seems to be making is that Trump hates lobbyists, but that everyone
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around him is a lobbyist, and his personal lawyer was engaged in a pretty clear case
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of influence peddling immediately after the election.
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This is a dumb argument, that someone not named Joe Rogan might push back on a little
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bit more, but he doesn't.
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So you have this, and they end up finding a story about Michael Cohen getting money
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from AT&T, and now all of a sudden Alex isn't crazy for saying these things.
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The problem becomes, Alex makes sensational claims that he thinks are proven by a headline,
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and he's in a space with a guy who can have things proven to him by a headline.
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It's a real challenge.
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Here's what I did.
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I had my guy Google it, and he read me a headline, so now it's true.
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The optics of it are really difficult to ever get to anything more substantial.
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So angry.
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Well, I mean, this will probably make you more mad.
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Yeah, doesn't surprise me.
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Do you remember if Alex likes or dislikes Jared Kushner?
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On which day?
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No, I'm asking you currently.
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Right now, I think he doesn't like Kushner.
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You think that?
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He's on the dozen like Kushner tip right now.
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That's interesting.
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I can tell you this.
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I can tell you this.
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People were really pissed, who were patriots to the intelligence community, and other also
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enemies of Trump that Kushner had so much influence.
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But now Kushner's gotten a lot of respect, because he's actually gotten a lot of huge
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peace deals done that nobody else could do for 50 years, and now-
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That's interesting how little press those peace deals have gotten.
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Yeah, they're getting none.
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I wonder why they're getting none.
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You never heard of it.
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Like a month ago, Alex was ranting on his show about how Jared was part of the deep
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state.
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So you were right.
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I was right.
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These allegiances just go back and forth with little meaning at all.
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Did they do something I can present as good?
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The fucking patriots.
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Did they do something I'm supposed to hate?
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Well, you know what?
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I just heard talk that Soros gave him some money.
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They're secretly working together.
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Totally.
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Doesn't mean shit.
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Nope.
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So as for these peace deals, they're getting a bunch of press coverage, but it's not getting
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the kind of coverage these guys want, which is people saying that Trump saved the world,
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and the reason they aren't getting that coverage is because he hasn't.
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To be clear, peace is good, and I'll always be happy when people are working towards it.
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I'm not going to balk at peace just because it might involve Trump's actions, but there
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are plenty of reasons to take issue with this story and express some reservation.
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The first is that the peace deals that have been struck don't involve any consideration
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of the Palestinians, which by definition is a problem.
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The second is that they don't involve Saudi Arabia.
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The third is that many experts do not believe that these agreements are the foundation of
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a lasting peace.
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Some have noted that these deals with Bahrain and United Arab Emirates recognizing and normalizing
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relations with Israel, they're less likely to create a real functioning peace, but they
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are designed to expand regional trade by normalizing these relations and to isolate Iran.
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By normalizing relations with the UAE and Israel, the possibility of using UAE as a
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place to launch from for any possible attack on Iran becomes a real issue that Iran has
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to deal with.
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Ultimately, this is not nothing, but it's also not a real peace plan if it doesn't include
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the Palestinian voice.
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And also, a lot of the groundwork for these deals, they weren't laid by Trump, but are
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actually in fact work that had been done by the United Nations.
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We'll see what happens and how this situation develops, but it's nonsense to pretend that
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the media hasn't covered these deals and haven't been overly deferential to Trump and their
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coverage, honestly.
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They're just talking shit.
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They're peace deals that are going to lead to war.
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That's what they're creating.
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They're creating a fucking stopgap in order to put their fucking pieces in place.
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That's one perspective on it.
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Considering the amount of information that I have and the abilities that I have, I can't
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accurately assess this until later.
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And the effects are more clear.
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I can say that I don't think that this takes into consideration the Palestinians in nearly
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the extent that they need to.
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And that's a problem.
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Which is going to lead to further...
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Most likely.
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So this is still about Jared Kushner here.
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They're talking about Kushner's dad, right?
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No, it was a criminal.
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Criminal!
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Yeah, unlike Kushner.
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Sure.
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And so Rogan finds an article about Chris Christie, who was involved in the prosecution
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of Kushner's father.
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And so they talk about that and then Alex just makes shit up.
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And so what am I supposed to do as a prosecutor?
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I mean, if a guy hires a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law...
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Oh, it's his brother-in-law.
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That's what he said.
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His brother-in-law.
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His brother-in-law.
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Okay.
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I got confused.
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He takes it and then sends the videotape to his sister to attempt to intimidate her from
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testifying before a grand jury.
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Do I really need any more justification than that?
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Holy shit, what a bad guy.
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But it wasn't to intimidate.
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That's his interpretation.
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That stuff goes on divorces all the time.
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People go videotape the other person cheating.
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That's why it was wrong he went to prison.
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Because he was doing that to show that the person testifying was wrong.
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Of course you're trying to influence testimony with the truth.
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It's this idea that, yes, they're cheating.
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I told you they were.
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Here's the proof.
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How does that become fraud?
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Okay, I'm confused.
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So he set up his brother-in-law with a prostitute...
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To show that this has been going on before, which he'd already alleged.
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Alex is having fun here and making things up, but I regret to inform you that Jared's
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father Charles Kushner pled guilty to, quote, 16 counts of assisting in the filing of false
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tax returns, one count of retaliating against a cooperating witness, and one count of making
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false statements to the Federal Election Commission.
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While he was running his business, Kushner Companies, Charles had falsified charitable
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contributions in the excess of one million dollars to cheat on taxes.
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His sister was a witness to the crime, and he didn't want her to testify, so he attempted
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to hire a sex worker to seduce her husband, which he would record and use as blackmail.
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He pled guilty to all of this, and even, quote, told the court that he had paid a private
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investigator $25,000 to arrange for the seduction and videotaping of the cooperating witness's
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husband.
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Kushner admitted to personally recruiting the prostitute and instructing that the videotape
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be mailed to the cooperating witness.
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Alex is pretending this is just the thing where Kushner's dad had claimed that this
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dude was cheating, but no one believed him, so I guess he went and hired a sex worker
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so he could videotape them having sex and then send that tape to his sister to prove
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that he was right!
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Yeah.
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I am right!
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Wow.
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This is childish bullshit, and just complete fiction that Alex is trying to pass off his
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truth.
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A lot of reasonable people try and prove themselves correct by hiring a sex worker in order to
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blackmail their relations.
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It had nothing to do with the crime!
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No, no, no, he was proving himself right, and he knew he wasn't going to get a fair
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shake in court, because rich guys never get a fair shake, Dan!
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It had nothing to do with the other 16 counts of fraud that he also pled guilty to.
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Whoa!
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Those were fake!
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Those were fake!
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I want you to think about this, because this is something that I was reflecting on as I
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was going through this episode.
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If Alex Jones wasn't a trainwreck lightning rod of attention that Joe Rogan can capitalize
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on platforming, would he take any of this shit that he's saying seriously, even for
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a second?
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No.
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I mean, in the context of this episode, like, all of the content is the same, but it's being
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said by a random person.
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You'd rightly ignore them, and assume that they weren't well.
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Joe Rogan's only doing this because of the attention that he can get out of having Alex
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on his podcast, and possibly some imagining that they're friends.
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I can't believe he's still...
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It sounds like he does!
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It sounds like he still thinks they're friends!
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Does he not listen to our show?
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I have warned him many times that Alex is not his friend.
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I feel like his mom right now.
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I feel like he's getting caught up in the wrong crowd.
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I feel like if by the end of this, Joe doesn't realize that Alex is not his friend, and he's
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being used, I just don't...
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He's beyond that point ever reaching him.
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Because Alex, like, Joe wants to look more into this story about Kushner's dad, and here's
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Alex's response.
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So he set up his brother-in-law with a prostitute...
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To show that this has been going on before, which he'd already alleged.
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Okay, as part of the plot, Kushner hired a prostitute to lure Shoulder into having sex
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in a Bridgewater, New Jersey motel room.
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First of all, if you find yourself in a Bridgewater, New Jersey motel room, you're fucked.
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You're fucked.
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Run.
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As the hidden camera rolls, a tape of the encounter was then sent to Kushner's sister
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and Shoulder's wife.
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Look, I know the whole story, so just trust us.
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Just trust us.
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Just!
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Trust us.
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Uh-huh.
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We're Info Wars.
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Just trust us.
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I know the whole story, now granted, all the information you'll be able to find does not
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support my version of things.
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Just!
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Just trust us.
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How about no, Alex?
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You have not earned that.
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I do like that as a new slogan for them, Info Wars.
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Just trust us.
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Trust us.
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Don't look into it.
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Yeah.
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Hey!
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The world is run by demons.
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Trust me.
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Just trust me.
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Okay.
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So, Alex, he doesn't just rely on trust, though.
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He also has sources, and he's brought documents.
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We're gonna get a lot of Lieutenant Colonels.
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And I've got articles in the LA Times and New York Times I brought for you where they
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say Gigi Ping must destroy Trump to save America.
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He was our leader.
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And then at the Davos Group, he said three years ago, I will destroy Trump, I will work
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with Hollywood, I've got all his quotes right here, and Gigi Ping said, I want to overthrow
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American democracy, I want to repudiate it, I want to discredit it, and Gigi Ping admits
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he admires Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin.
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Okay, but isn't he doing that because...
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That's crazy.
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That seems crazy.
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Yeah.
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He's trying to pull up.
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Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, they got their hands dirty.
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Both those guys were complete badasses.
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Complete studs.
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That was from 2015.
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Yeah!
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Always weirds me out whenever he specifically brings up Hitler and Stalin as being like,
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look at the guys this idiot admires!
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Never like, chow chescu, never like, no, it's Hitler and Stalin, and I love those guys.
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Wow.
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He has at least said that they're studs.
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So Joe, again, is trying, and again this is a big part of my argument that this is just
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not a thing you can do responsibly, he tries to push back on Alex's claim that she had
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come out and said that he's going to destroy Trump or whatever, and Alex can't handle any
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pushback.
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The Washington Post, the LA Times, the New York Times, I brought you the articles here,
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Seems of Red Emperor, the Relentless Rise of Xi Jinping, and it says in these articles,
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he must destroy American Western Christian values.
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We love him and we accept China as our master.
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I have the goddamn articles.
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This is treason.
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The freaking dude right here, Washington Post.
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But who's saying that quote?
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Who's that quote?
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Here, I'll give them to you.
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This is the Washington Post and there's a huge article, LA Times.
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I understand, but the quote that you just said about he must destroy Trump.
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Just like I said, AT&T gave money to unofficially lobbying and you pulled it up.
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I read the article.
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I'm not giving you the exact-
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I understand what you're saying, but what I'm asking you is who you quoted someone,
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but who did you quote when you said that?
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I'm quoting, from when I read these again this morning before I came here, what I remember,
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David Donduri, Durley, and this Chinese lady-
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I think he's talking about the prevailing sentiment of what they feel they must do.
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I understand, but when you quote somebody-
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Good work, Sam.
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Thanks for jumping in there.
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He's been in there.
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In these articles.
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Right.
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Well, look at the headline.
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Xi's choice, destroy Trump or save him from weakened America.
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I mean-
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Right.
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Right.
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Xi needs to destroy Trump.
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Look at the headline.
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The Chinese dictator needs to destroy our president?
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So do you think that they're doing that because Trump wants to change the trade deals with
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China?
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You know what Trump said?
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Trump didn't start a trade war.
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He ended our surrender.
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Okay.
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So you can see Alex can't answer direct questions about what are you talking about?
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I mean, what I'm talking about is what I remember from what I read this morning.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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That is not impressive.
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No, no, no, no.
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Pretty terrible.
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How long is the article?
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Is it longer than four pages?
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Uh, probably.
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And I don't think you read it.
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Oh, man.
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Towards the end of this episode, I found one of the greatest exaggerations of length I've
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ever seen.
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Okay.
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All right.
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It's amazing.
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I like it.
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How's that for a tease?
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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So they get to talking about climate change a bit here.
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Oh, okay.
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They can stop.
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Well, Alex is really into coal.
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Are coal plants really clean?
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100% clean.
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How is that possible?
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I'll tell you.
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Please.
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Okay.
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There's two different types of major power plants.
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When he says clean coal, I roll my eyes every time when Trump's like, clean coal, clean.
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Well that's because the engine is so damn good.
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Is it?
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I'll tell you.
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Please.
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Oh boy.
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So here we go.
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Alex tries to explain his clean coal.
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Hold on.
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Hold on.
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This is amazing.
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I know this is going to infuriate you, but please hold your fire for a moment.
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Doing great.
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Yeah.
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Doing great, Dan.
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I believe in this, in this clip, I believe what happens is that Alex realizes, you know,
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you ever watch those cartoons where like Wile E. Coyote will run off a cliff and he'll make
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it a few steps.
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And then he looks down and then he holds up the little sign that says, uh oh, and then
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down he goes.
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I believe that is what happens.
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Here we go.
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They had old fashioned coal plants.
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China doesn't have one scrubber or filter on their coal power plants and China doesn't
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have clean burning coal.
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There's one place in the United States that has major deposits of coal that is such pure
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carbon.
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It's called scrubbers.
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Nothing comes out but carbon dioxide and water.
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Well they know we know water's not bad, so they list carbon dioxide.
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People think it's monoxide.
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Just like in studies, if you say the scientific name of water, most people in Penn and Teller
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skits on the street will say ban dihydrogen monoxide.
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If you go out on the street, Joe Rogan, and ask 100 Austinites, dihydrogen monoxide is
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everywhere.
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If you get too much of it, you can die drowned.
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So what I think is going on here is that Alex knows the word scrubber and that's about the
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depth of his understanding of this topic.
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That looks like that's where we're at.
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So he knows as he's starting to talk, he's like, I don't really have much else to say
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on this so I'm gonna just riff about how chemical names are weird and people don't know what
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they are.
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It's a lot of fun but it has nothing to do with the subject of clean coal.
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It's explicitly an attempt to get Joe to forget the line of questioning he was going down
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and get lost in this side trail because Alex is caught in a lie that he can't back up.
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There is no such thing as clean coal the way that he is imagining it and he's lying to
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Joe's face.
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Like the way that he's talking about scrubber, it's almost like he thinks that there's like
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thirties, seventeenth century Japanese women with like little brushes just going, ugh!
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No, no, he thinks they're the personified scrubbing bubbles from the commercial that
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are running around and smiling.
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That's exactly what I think he sees.
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Cleaning a piece of charcoal.
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That's exactly what I think he sees.
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That's exactly what I think he sees and that's very troubling to me.
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Oh man, you're going to be so fucking pissed by the end of this section.
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I can't understand how many people are listening to Joe Rogan and Alex Jones talk about the
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climate, Dan.
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Well I mean thank God that Joe's here to correct this bad speech.
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Millions of people listen to this.
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We're fucked.
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So there's this magical great coal out west.
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There's a place in the United States where carbon is just so pure.
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You don't even need scrubbers.
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Pure carbon.
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Right.
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What is that?
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What is that?
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Fucking carbon nanotubes?
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What are we fucking talking about?
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Diamonds?
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Is that what's pure carbon?
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It's so clean.
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What is so clean?
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Same thing if you do the sign of it named salt.
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Sounds scary.
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Well, so, so.
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Oops, forgot that one.
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Hydrogen monoxide is the bad one.
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Hydrogen dioxide is the good one.
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That's the life cycle.
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On earth there's light, there's water, there's oxygen, and there's carbon dioxide.
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Those are the four things you've got to have for life.
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And so they've gotten people convinced to say coal is dirty.
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It puts out carbon dioxide and water vapor.
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And so until about the 70s, we were still burning dirty coal full of mercury, olive.
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They found huge deposits of clean burning coal out west.
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How?
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Nothing you taught around the whole world for over a thousand years.
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What?
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What are you fucking talking about?
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One coal is so damn pure and it's only in the United States in major deposits that basically
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you don't even need to put scrubbers on it.
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You don't need the scrubbers.
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This is disturbing.
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I'm gonna fight.
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I'm gonna fight somebody.
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I'm gonna walk out of this and I'm just gonna fight the first fucking person I see.
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I'm thinking about investing in like a heavy bag.
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I need a fight.
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Not for working out, but just for like Incase Broken puts out another episode.
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Just for me while I'm listening to these clips?
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Yeah.
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Alex is completely misleading, Joe, on the main issue, which is that carbon dioxide is
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not just magically good.
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It's necessary for life, yes, that is true.
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But in excess amounts, it has a bad effect on the environment.
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Alex compared it to water, so I will too.
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You need water to live, but too much of it will kill you.
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It's the same thing with CO2.
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In this conversation, Alex has reframed the issue, so the part that requires pushback
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isn't even being discussed.
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The part Joe needs to attack is the idea that CO2 emissions are always good, but everyone
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thinks that they're bad because they're actually carbon monoxide.
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They think that's what it is.
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That's the flimsiest shit in the world, and Alex could never defend that position.
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But now Alex has introduced a completely new layer to this bullshit, which is that there's
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magical super-pure coal out west in them-thar-hills!
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I just...
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I just...
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That's a swing.
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It is.
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There's magical coal.
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And it's in Utah?
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He's literally doing a fucking Brigham Young on us?
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We have to go to Utah to find the new golden plates?
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Is that what we're doing, Dan?
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You can find a full report from the US Geological Survey of all the coal deposits in Utah, and
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weirdly none of them seem to match what Alex is describing.
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You'd really think that they'd make note of this magic coal that could power the entire
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world for a thousand years, but I guess they somehow overlooked that.
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Ah, globalists.
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Also, Utah is responsible for mining approximately 2% of the coal that's used annually in the
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United States.
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Yeah, but that's the magic stuff.
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Sure.
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The stuff that Alex is talking about isn't real, and it's just what his childish brain
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has come up with when he thinks about the words clean coal.
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But his strategy is really good here.
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What he's done is create a completely outrageous claim that's going to distract people from
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the far more insidious one that you've snuck through.
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There's no time to argue about CO2 if you're caught up with this magical Utah coal.
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It doesn't really actually work.
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I think there is time, because here's my argument to the magical coal.
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No.
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Now let's talk about CO2.
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Well, but the magical coal is more fun.
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It is way more fun, but you can't do that.
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You can't tell me that there's magical burning coal.
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Well, sure.
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You shouldn't.
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You shouldn't.
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Because it's nonsense.
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It's not a good idea.
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But, Alex doesn't succeed in wiggling loose from this trap.
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Okay.
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Or whatever.
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Not really even a trap.
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The fucking...
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He's like Mr. Magoo, he ran into a coat rack and a coat fell on him and he thinks it's
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a net or something.
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It's like a net on him.
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He's done this to himself, and he's trying to get out of this metaphorical coat by rambling
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about how CO2 is great.
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This gets so weird.
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One coal is so damn pure, and it's only in the United States in major deposits, that
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basically you don't even need to put scrubbers on it.
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But our scientists in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s, because they realize that dirty coal
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has mercury in it, has all these horrible toxins, they put scrubbers on it.
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That's why when you drive by a coal plant, it's this big, huge buildings and wires and
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hoses and big, huge steel.
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It looks like an alien spaceship.
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That's because it's called distillates.
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They know how to burn it and then take off all the chemicals, all the toxins, and make
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plastics and make chemicals and make pesticides and make everything else that comes out of
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that.
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And then out of the stack comes nothing but, they have sensors on it, nothing but water
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and carbon dioxide.
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Totally clean, totally pure.
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So that's what's going on.
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So carbon monoxide is what everybody's worried about.
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Carbon dioxide increasing in the environment has no negative effects?
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Let's talk about it.
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Let's.
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Yeah!
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Carbon monoxide is not what everyone's worried about.
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Carbon monoxide poisoning is something people are concerned about, but it's a completely
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different issue.
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So far, Joe has failed on many, many levels, but the fact that he got this one right, I
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will give him props for that.
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And he's asking.
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Yep.
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And it allows for the opportunity for Alex to have to say more.
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And that, in and of itself, is kind of a good situation, if you handle it appropriately,
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and after the fact, you say, that's stupid, which Joe doesn't do.
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But he does allow for the opportunity for Alex to be really stupid, and that's kind
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of nice.
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Carbon dioxide was over 500 times stronger in the time of the T-Rex, okay, in the Jurassic
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Age.
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That's why plants grew so fast, things were so big, there was a higher oxygen level.
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Just like Mars lost its atmosphere, it used to have an ocean they've now gone and proven,
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it lost its atmosphere as a smaller planet, couldn't hold it.
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The truth is, the Earth's losing its atmosphere.
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So what's crazy is, we come right along at this time, pump up all of this juice and all
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this carbon that was produced on the surface with plants and animals that ran down in cracks
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into the Earth.
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We're now pumping out all that carbon saved for millions of years ago, and actually terraforming
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the planet, putting more carbon dioxide in that we actually need right at this time,
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like aliens figure this out or something.
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But hold please, but hold please.
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Isn't carbon dioxide responsible for an increase in the temperature of the Earth?
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But they said that we would have a seven increase.
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They said that by 2013 all that LA would be flooded and New York would be flooded, all
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that's lies.
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Okay, but let's forget about what they said in the past.
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What they're saying now is that carbon dioxide increase is responsible for an increase in
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the temperature of the Earth.
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Which, which, which, we hope it does.
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Because we're...
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We hope it increases the temperature of the Earth.
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We're set.
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The last Ice Age...
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Hold on, but hold on.
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Hold on, indeed.
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So apparently, temperatures going up is good, or hmm.
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Alright, here's what we need.
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We need a big, big box, like a packing box.
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We need to put some holes in it.
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We need to put Alex in there and we need to feed him once a day.
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That's what I think we need to do.
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I don't even know if that would be safe.
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I think it's a good idea.
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So here we learn that there was way more CO2 in the atmosphere during the time of dinosaurs,
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but since then CO2 levels have gone down and that's a sign that Earth is losing its atmosphere.
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But right at the last second fossil fuel companies have come along and figured out the perfect
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solution.
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Polluting.
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Put them in a box.
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Which happens to make them billions of dollars.
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I'm being charitable when I say air holes.
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It's fair enough that CO2 levels were much higher in the time of the dinosaurs, but so
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what?
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That was millions of years ago.
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And to pretend that we're at all ready to face the kind of issues that would accompany
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the Earth changing to a climate unseen for millions of years is comical.
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Haven't you read the dinosaurs' records, though?
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Much like the FBI, they were very good at taking detailed notes and they left us solutions.
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Unfortunately they didn't survive 62 million years, Dan.
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Their solution was turn into a cockroach.
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I'm a bird now!
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There's normal variability in the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere over time.
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That is fair enough.
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And you can see it roughly go up and down in waves for the past like 800,000 years.
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And then you get to the time post the Industrial Revolution and present day and that wave gets
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fucked, with 2019's number representing a 33% increase over the previous highest CO2
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concentration recorded about 300,000 years ago.
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Alex does not understand the issues he's talking about, and I will at least applaud Joe for
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creating this situation where Alex sounds like the idiot that he is, but I resent that
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he doesn't have the ability to call Alex a liar and a fraud.
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And that this shit is nonsense and he has no idea what he's talking about.
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I can't.
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I mean, and it's even worse, it's so much worse now than we could even...
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The problem is, we're so distracted by the rest of everything being the worst.
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Like ice sheets are not even forming.
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Like this is not good.
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Everything is really, really bad with the climate.
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More so than anything else.
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We're fucked.
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We're fucked!
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It's hard to look at the...
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That's why we're staying here, near a source of fresh water, Dan.
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We'll go over there, we'll grab some buckets every morning, we'll boil them and we'll have
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a great day.
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So Joe does make another good point here on the same topic, and that is that, well, it's
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been shown that rising temperatures lead to hurricanes because of the rising water temperatures
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create the conditions where storms are stronger and there's more of them.
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Good point.
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Oh boy.
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But the increase in the temperature of the earth is responsible for the increase in hurricanes,
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the frequency and the power of the hurricanes.
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If you look up the spectrum in the last hundred years, hurricanes have gotten weaker.
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That's all media hype.
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But let me just tell you, Joe, Joe, Joe, I swear to God, I swear to God, I can prove
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all this to you.
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This is so huge for your audience.
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Are you a carbon dioxide salesman?
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Listen, well, they always say I'm getting money from oil companies.
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I'm not.
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But can I please tell you what's going on?
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I work for free.
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Please do.
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You are a carbon-based life form.
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Let me show you what I came here with in my notes.
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Oh boy.
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Alex is lying about hurricanes, no matter how you want to determine the statistics.
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If you want to go by total number of named storms, 2005 is the record holder with 28,
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but it probably won't be for long.
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Since less than a week ago, we saw Tropical Storm Zeta represent the 27th named storm
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of this season, which won't be over until the end of November at least.
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If you want to go by severity of storms, that's been increasing as well.
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If you want to go with frequency of stronger storms, that's setting records.
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The frequency of storms that escalate very rapidly is also increasing.
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Three of the top five most costly storms in recorded history in the United States happened
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in 2017.
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The other two were in 2012 and 2005.
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You have to go 23 storms down that list to find one that happened before 1965.
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It's not media hype that hurricanes are getting stronger and happening more frequently.
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Joe can scoff at Alex, but Alex doesn't deserve to be allowed to be scoffed at and then move
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along to some dumbass distraction point about how we're carbon-based life form.
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He deserves to have this show grind to a halt until he concedes that he's making this up.
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He should have to be forced to either leave or admit, I don't know what I'm talking about,
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I'm full of shit.
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Because anything else is a win for him.
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Anything else is a win.
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Like pivoting over to like, oh, we're carbon-based life forms is exactly what Alex needs to do.
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And allowing him to do it is conceding this point, essentially.
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And it's just the better move for Rogan.
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Like, Rogan having him walk off his show is just the best thing that Rogan could have
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done.
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That would have been amazing.
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Everybody would have non-stop talked about it instead of being the giant piece of shit.
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That would have been one side of the argument and the other argument would have been, look
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at how great Joe Rogan was in taking down Alex Jones.
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It's terrible.
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It's essentially a win-win for him because if Alex leaves he can have his, come on, Gallagher
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moment.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And if Alex stays then you get the train wreck that inevitably happens whenever Alex goes
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anywhere.
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Sure, sure.
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And so, he's guaranteed attention no matter what he does, but the path that he has chosen
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to take is the one that kind of has the appearance of responsibility but isn't really all that
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responsible.
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Yeah, it's a half-assed.
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Yeah.
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Because Alex tries to, you know, rant about carbon because he's got some thoughts.
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Sure.
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But he also realizes, again, much like Wile E. Coyote, he has run out of cliff.
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And so, he tries to transition into some transphobia.
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Sure.
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And to Joe's credit, he tries to get him back on track.
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What are you, what is, what is, what is, what is Joe Rogan made up out of?
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Carbon.
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Okay.
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Carbon-based life form.
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We are literally stardust.
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What are-
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It's a song, right?
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Exactly.
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What are trees made out of?
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Beer.
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Tree stuff?
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Carbon.
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Songs.
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Carbon.
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Yeah, carbon-based life forms.
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It's most of the things on the planet.
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The whole planet.
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And so, this is the carbon cycle.
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So, just like they come out and assault reality now and say, a little boy is biologically
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a girl.
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I don't care if he grows up and wants to be a saint, he's a girl.
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Again, rabbit hole.
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Let's not go down these rabbit holes.
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But I'm saying it's not science.
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They go, the science is settled.
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There's not two genders.
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Okay.
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B fucking S.
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Okay, hold on.
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Let's not go down that road.
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Do you want to go to that road in the future?
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No, no.
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No, no.
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I'll do it.
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I'll do it.
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Let me tell you.
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I want you to talk about carbon.
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I know.
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I don't want to get off track here because isn't there a delicate balance with the temperature
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on Earth and the rising sea levels and the melting of the ice caps?
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This has all been established by a lot of very concerned environment, but very concerned
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environmentalists have said that an increase in the temperature of the Earth could be disastrous
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for human civilization.
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It's a power grab.
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It's a power grab.
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Are you sure it's a power grab?
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I am absolutely freaking lutely sure.
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But how do you know that it's not all, how do you know that?
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Because they're arrogant and they've all written white papers on it that I've read that I can
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give you.
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Okay.
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Well, you don't, you can't and you don't.
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That is the best, that is the best example.
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Even if it's a power dynamic, like with Rogan who is, like Alex has to lick Rogan's boots
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to stay on because this is his, this is his outlet.
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Rogan's the only one who's willing to put him on in the face of Spotify or whatever.
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And just no matter what, if you just point out some, nope, power grab, it's a dog.
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But the reason that you descend to that is because Joe clearly wasn't taking the bait
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with going down the transphobic rift.
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Alec was hoping to pilot the conversation into that water.
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And then I can keep motor mouthing my way through it and we'll get past it.
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We'll forget the fact that I completely punted.
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Too far off.
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Yeah, on the carbon stuff.
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And so you have to just be blunt, no power grab, I read white papers, I can prove everything,
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blah, blah, blah.
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Did it, did it.
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Just trust me, man.
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Just trust us.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That's what it all ends up at the bottom.
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And it sort of becomes like, like, listen to this clip of Alec's just sort of like,
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all right, fine.
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I'll just say all the words I know about climate change and CO2 and stuff.
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There is a contributing factor.
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Scientifically, it's been proven that increased carbon dioxide has an effect on the temperature
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of the earth.
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Do you agree with that?
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It depends on the models they use.
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Sometimes actually more carbon dioxide could cause a cooling effect, but generally could
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cause a heating effect.
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It depends on potash, the atmosphere, volcanic ejections at the time, and also solar maximum
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and minimum.
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If you have sunspot activities, the main generator of planetary climate.
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Alex just threw out that meaningless word salad of everything he can remember Lord Moncton
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telling him in the past, uh, solar maximums, potash, sunspots.
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Planet X.
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None of that is true.
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And it's just Alex's weasel answer.
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So he doesn't have to own the position of having said that CO2 going up causes temperature
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to go up.
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This is all just a function of him not wanting to get nailed down on a particular fact, because
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if he does, he has to own the implications.
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For instance, if Joe gets him to admit that rising CO2 levels result in higher temperatures,
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then Alex would have to justify why higher temperatures are good.
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If Joe could demonstrate the negative effects of rising temperatures from the rising sea
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level to the relationship between water temperatures and hurricanes, to the droughts around the
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world, to the fact that many regions of the world could become uninhabitable and cause
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massive dislocation of people, then Alex would have to accept that he was in favor of those
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things.
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He can't do that.
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So that's why he always gives non-answers, which allow him to continue to operate in
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this deceptive space and not have to commit to anything except that he secretly can prove
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everything and everyone's wrong.
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I don't understand.
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It depends on the model.
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I just don't understand what it is really like deep down that makes conservatives want
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to rub oil executives' balls all over their face.
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I just don't get it.
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Just like, bleh, they just love that shit on their face and I just don't understand
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it.
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Yeah, I don't know exactly either.
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Maybe that's the way we do it.
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Maybe that's how we get the white supremacists on board, okay?
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We have to do something about climate change, otherwise all those people are going to have
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to come here.
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Isn't that eco-fascism?
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It's totally, no, no, I'm just trying to trick them into doing it.
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I'm not, I don't, no, come on in guys.
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This is an argument.
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Come on in over here.
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Come on in over here.
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You're appealing to an argument of the eco-fascists.
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I'll go over here and be like, hey, see if we do this, then you won't have to deal with
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all these refugees.
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But at the same time, I'll be like, come on in refugees.
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Just come around the back.
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Come around the back entrance.
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So you're essentially appealing to an eco-fascist argument in order to sway their support for
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the opposite.
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Yeah.
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Good luck.
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Yeah.
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So in this next clip, Rogan is trying to explain to Alex that there are, you know,
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there are these environmentalists who have a point and then there are people in industry
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and they aren't the same people, you know, they are working, uh, on different projects.
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Yeah.
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Alex does not agree.
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Oh, okay.
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He thinks they're in bed.
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There we go.
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The environmentalists are not in bed with the industrialists.
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The environmentalists are, they're not in bed with all these people that think that
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they can control the world.
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Actually BP and ExxonMobil and others are the biggest funders of the climate change
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movement.
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They're the biggest funders of it.
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Contrary to what you hear.
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How so?
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All right, Joe.
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Here's the thing.
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I understand this is, and you're a smart guy and I understand you want to go over each
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piece of this.
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Let's go through it.
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Well, we have to, we have to.
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I agree.
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Let's go through each piece.
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But understand you understand that the way you talk and I enjoy the way you talk fast,
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but the way you talk is fast and you go on these long tangents and then you go to frogs
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being gay and a lot of things happen.
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I want to do a record out.
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Yes, but I want to do it step by step.
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Let's do this.
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Let's do this.
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Let's do this.
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But most people, the vast majority, here we got here.
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MP commits 100 million to fund new emissions reductions projects.
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Well, let me just go back for a second.
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Okay.
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I appreciate you backing me up.
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Yes.
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Look, let me break down our frogs guy.
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That is why Joe is not equipped to handle the role he's given himself.
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That clip perfectly encapsulates this entire dynamic.
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Joe thinks that he can handle taking a mile a minute talker slash liar like Alex Jones
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and slow him down so that they can take these claims piece by piece and show what's really
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behind it all.
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He thinks because of the fake respect he imagines Alex has for him that Alex wouldn't just lie
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to his face and dodge onto other topics instead of admit that he's lying to his fake friend's
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face.
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But Joe's wrong.
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Alex does not give a shit about him.
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Now, conversely, Joe also really doesn't give as much of a shit as he's pretending to.
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He knows that having Alex on will be a huge attention grabber, as have the past two times
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he's been on the show, but Joe also knows that he can't really get away with just having
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Alex on like he has in the past.
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There has to be the appearance of being a critical interview, which is manifesting in
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his attempts to keep Alex in line.
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You can clearly see how rattled even just the performance of pushback is to Alex.
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He's flopping all over the place and saying completely insane shit, hoping to wiggle his
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way out of each corner he accidentally backs himself into.
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But where Joe gives away his true intentions are moments like there, right at the end.
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He's got Alex in a position where they've refocused, and he's supposed to get to his
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point about how CO2 emission talk and the climate change is all a big conspiracy, and
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Alex can prove it, and right as Alex is about to start talking, Joe pokes him with the gay
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frogs thing.
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Joe wants the sideshow, but he doesn't want to take responsibility for it.
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Honestly, I kind of find this approach to be more distasteful than him and Eddie Bravo
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just laughing, because that doesn't pretend to be something else.
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No, this is to reality what the ACA is to socialized healthcare.
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Like a half-assed version of something is not the whole thing, and it's usually not
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as good.
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And, as we've seen with the ACA, it's caused a lot more problems and harm than everything
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else.
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I don't accept your analogy, if only because I think that it also helped a lot of people
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too.
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No, it helped tons of people.
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I was being very, very facetious.
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I don't know, but also maybe there's a possibility that this interview could also help some people.
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Because I have gotten some messages from a couple of people just in my personal life
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who don't know Alex that well, but like Rogan, and saw the interview and they're like, what
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is this drunk asshole?
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I think that some objective viewers could see Rogan's pushback and Alex's inability
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to answer anything and be like, this guy's full of shit.
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I think there's a possibility that there is some benefit from it, but I think that what
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Rogan is setting out to do, he does not achieve, and he honestly fails.
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And I think it does more harm than good, because you set up the impression that Alex is right
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about a lot of stuff, and then you demonstrate that he's wrong about everything and let him
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wiggle out of taking responsibility or owning the fact that he's wrong about all these things.
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And that just makes him appear to be right.
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It's stupid.
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Was it entertaining?
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No.
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Why do people...
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There's one part that we'll get to that I found exciting, almost like the end of a basketball
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game.
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Because I was like, oh, is it gonna... the shot clock's winding down.
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Right.
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But no, I didn't think...
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Shaq has taken his last two free throws.
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I didn't think it was that good or entertaining, and one of the reasons is that, I mean, they're
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all on different drugs or sober, and that is incompatible.
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It makes things very weird.
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Nothing against Tim Dillon, but he's just not really even an effective third part of
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this interview.
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Oh, this is bad.
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Like Eddie Bravo at least will bring his own brand of personality and insanity to the proceedings.
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Tim Dillon's just an Infowars fan.
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He just likes Alex and tries to reframe things Alex says in ways that Joe might be more close
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to agreeing with.
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It doesn't really make that many jokes even.
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See, Eddie Bravo adds that element, that X factor, you know, where it's like, Alex goes
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on a weird rant, and then Eddie Bravo's like, you know, I heard people were on the moon
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and they came down to my place and I'm telling you right now, that's why Alex is right.
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And you're like, yeah, Eddie Bravo, you're nuts.
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Thank you for smoothing the edges out on Alex saying some really transphobic shit.
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So Alex is still being forced to discuss climate, which he would rather have not stayed on this
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long.
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Should never have done that.
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He's trying to remember everything he's got, and so, I mean, we heard this on his Wednesday,
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our episode from Wednesday, volcanoes, baby.
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There it is.
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One major volcano like Mount St. Helens, they estimated, put out more dust than decades
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of human dust, and human dust is what helps cause nuclei to form to cause storms.
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So we are affecting our environment, but most of the astrophysicists and most of the physicists
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I've talked to, most of the climatologists I've talked to, they have broken down that
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the sun by magnitude is 98% of the driver.
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Joe's just allowing him to make this without any competent pushback.
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But Joe does have a good point, and that is that even if we allow that there are a ton
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of different influences that are causing climate change, CO2 emission is one thing that humans
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are capable of controlling.
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The rest of the thing, like let's say sunspots or whatever, volcanoes, we can't control those
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things.
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Can't do it.
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So it should be our goal to control the elements that could be destructive that are in our
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capacity control.
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Nah, that's a slippery slope, Dan.
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Then Alex says something just batty.
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Isn't CO2 emissions the one thing that we can control?
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So human-created global warming gases like CO2 emissions, if we can put a cap on that,
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wouldn't you agree?
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Let me ask you a question.
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But if we continue to put that stuff in the atmosphere, and it continues to get higher
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and higher and higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, wouldn't that...
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It's going to make...
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The studies show it's going to make deserts become green again, and plants are going to
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absorb the carbon.
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What studies are these?
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You can look them up.
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Okay, let's find out.
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And that's why the left even says...
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But if you're going to say something like that, and I'm not arguing with you, but if
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you are going to say something like that, that's a very bold thing to say, you should
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probably not just say, look them up.
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There should be something...
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Nah, let's type it in.
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Let's type it in.
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There's hundreds of them.
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There's a lot, like over 50 articles right here.
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Do you have something that you've read that makes you so confident that you could say
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this?
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I actually know what the plant studies show, where in greenhouses, they grow plants with
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higher carbon dioxide.
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Ooh, what a relief.
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If we burn tons of CO2 and put it in the atmosphere, we'll just end up with deserts that have foliage.
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Our plants will get bigger.
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This sounds like win-win.
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I admire Joe's attempt to get Alex to take responsibility for his claims, but if this
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doesn't end with Joe telling Alex that he's full of shit and then denouncing him in front
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of his audience, then all these moments where Alex is clearly full of shit don't matter.
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They don't mean anything unless you apologize for having him on, you recognize that you
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had been tricked by his showmanship, and he's a fun guy.
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I bet he is.
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I bet he is.
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I bet he is, especially if he wants you to think that he's fun.
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Especially if you're at a Halloween party and he's dressed like a Nazi.
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Allegedly.
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It was a captain's hat.
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He's really fun to be in a hot tub with, so say the globalists.
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True.
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I just, if this doesn't end with a, eh, we got hoodwinked, it happens.
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He's a really talented guy and he's really nice and we had a pretend friendship for 20
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years or whatever, but he just came on my program and he completely lied to you, my
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audience that I presumably care about.
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He said that if you just burn CO2, deserts will have trees growing in them and everything
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will get big.
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Plants will get big.
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Oh my God.
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Right.
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You know, it is, it is one of those things that makes you really think being a con man
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is so easy just because people will do everything possible to avoid admitting that they got
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conned.
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Being a con man is probably good if you have good marks.
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Yeah.
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Like if you...
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Like Joe Rogan.
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Exactly.
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Like a guy with a hundred million dollars.
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And the biggest podcast in the world.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Dirty Rotten Scoundrels wasn't about stealing like a guy with five dollars money.
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Certainly not.
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Fair enough.
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So anyway, this is because we're having so much excess CO2 being released into the atmosphere.
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Sure.
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We're having a global greening that is just going to turn everything wonderful.
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It's a global greening happening, countering us losing our atmosphere up until this point.
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The earth has less atmosphere than it did a million years ago and it's like God did
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this or something where we discovered all this oil or it's just blind luck that we are
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terraforming the planet back to an earlier, healthier state by taking ancient carbon that
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was under the ground and putting it back into the atmosphere.
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But isn't the problem that along the way we're also increasing the temperature of the planet
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and we are not aligned with a higher temperature?
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You can...
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Here's the truth.
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We don't know.
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We don't know.
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But in 1963, the Club of Rome came up with a limits to growth plan and they had models
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and actuaries and I have copies of this in my film Endgame, seminal film, it's free online.
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Endgame for global enslavement predicts a virus release to lock things down.
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Everything's still happening.
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That was not what that movie was about.
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I watched it.
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In the 1963 limits to growth Club of Rome plan, they said, we believe there'll be a
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global ice age by 2020 because the last ice age ended about 12,000 years ago and we're
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set for that.
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We're going to tell the public that actually carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is bouncing
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solar radiation off the earth because we've seen volcanoes cause this darkening effect
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and freezing.
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So we believe, our scientists believe that carbon dioxide is going to make the earth
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freeze by 2020 and so we've got to have a global regime to take control of all the factories
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and all the energy and put a tax in for global government in the name of stopping the ice
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age.
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Then by about 1987, they went, actually, we think it's going to heat up instead.
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So they flipped the propaganda.
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Ask anybody you know.
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Nope.
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Anybody you know.
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Alex is lying about his film Endgame and it's amazing for him to be such a dick as to call
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his own bullshit documentary Seminal.
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What an asshole.
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It was about a fucking road, man.
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A lot of it was about a road.
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It was about a road.
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The publication Limits to Growth came out in 1972, not in 1963.
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The Club of Rome didn't even exist until 1968.
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You can easily find a PDF of this document called Limits to Growth and if you do go ahead
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and look through it, there's no mention of an ice age or the year 2020.
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Sure.
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In the text, the authors are very clear that they can see demonstrations that the amount
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of CO2 in the atmosphere is rising, but that it's unclear how much of that will be able
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to be sustained by the planet.
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From page 81, quote, it's not known how much CO2 or thermal pollution can be released without
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causing irreversible damage in the Earth's climate or how much radioactivity, lead, mercury,
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or pesticide can be absorbed by plants, fish, or human beings before the vital processes
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are severely interrupted.
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Cut to 50 years later.
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We know exactly how much.
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It was a while back.
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Part of the, and this touches on what part of the reason why you should act, even though
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we aren't certain what the limits are, it's immediately spelled out in the text, quote,
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this ignorance about the limits of Earth's ability to absorb pollutants should be reason
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enough for caution in the release of polluting substances.
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The danger of reaching those limits is especially great because there is typically a long delay
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between the release of a pollutant into the environment and the appearance of its negative
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effect on the ecosystem, hence why you should be overly cautious.
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In a certain sense, though, Alex did say something correctly, and he started it with, what we're
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doing is returning the Earth back to a healthier time.
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And when he said a million years, that makes sense to me, because that was before we were
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here.
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Alex is 900,000 years old.
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So in a sense, we will, when we're gone, be creating a much better, healthier Earth.
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Well, I mean...
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After we've killed ourselves.
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If you're taking some kind of a weird geologic perspective, then yes.
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Hey, the Earth recovered after the dinosaurs, right?
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We'll be all right.
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I mean, we won't.
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In the introduction to this text, Limits to Growth, on page 23, they lay out their conclusions.
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The first of which is, quote, if the present growth trends in the world population, industrialization,
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food production, and resource depletion continue unchanged, the limits to growth on this planet
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will be reached sometime within the next 100 years.
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That's the conclusion that they made based on their assumptions and estimations at the
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time in 1972.
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They've gone back and revisited this multiple times, and some updating and some reflection
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on like, eh, we might have been off about a little bit of that.
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Eh, whatever.
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They were off by 30 years.
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Alex is asserting that in this text, they say that they are aware that an ice age is
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coming, so they're going to pretend that carbon dioxide is bad and causing the ice age, which
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I guess is going to lead to them being able to take control of the population.
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Whatever.
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I am sick of all these.
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What plan is this?
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Plan F?
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What plan are we on?
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I hate to surprise you, Jordan.
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None of that is in this book.
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Oh, that's a real shock.
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I have no idea if Alex has ever read Limits to Growth or if he's just banking on the fact
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that the audience won't have, but this shit is all made up.
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How long is it?
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What?
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Longer than four pages?
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Yeah, it's more than four.
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You said page 81, so I'm telling you right now, Alex has not read it.
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No, certainly not.
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So one of the things that's interesting about this, though, is that this is a text from
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1972, and you know, I think that you can go back and you can look at some of the stuff
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and absolutely say like, well, they didn't know what we know now.
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Totally.
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And Joe tries to bring this up.
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Yeah.
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Okay, but don't you understand that science back then didn't have as much data as they
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have now?
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So they're models, and what they had predicted in 1963 is faulty compared to the information
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they have in 2000.
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Yeah, just like Fauci said, 2.5 million would be dead from COVID, it was 207,000.
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But worldwide, what is it?
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Worldwide tuberculosis killed 20 million people, 1.4 million here last year, but nobody cares.
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Yeah, well, COVID killed a lot of people worldwide.
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A COVID timer killed a million worldwide.
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What?
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Not even a million worldwide.
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No, is that true?
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Yep.
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Come on.
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Yep.
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Well, how do we know?
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Oh, we use human models.
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Oh my god.
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Again, they're our boss.
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You see here how Alex tries to pivot away from uncertain territory into more familiar
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and comfortable water by taking Joe's good point that old science didn't know what new
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science has discovered and hitting his talking points about Fauci and COVID.
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Alex then goes on to make a sensational absurd claim about COVID, which will now distract
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conversation, and he will have escaped without having been held to prove any of the claims
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that he made about the Club of Rome, the limits to growth, or how excessive CO2 emissions
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are saving the world.
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Also, again, TB did not kill 1.4 million people in the United States in 2019.
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That is a comical number that Alex has used before, and he just uses to minimize COVID.
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Joe has no idea what the real number is, which is what Alex is betting on when he just throws
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that out.
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Alex is being allowed to scatter bullshit all over the place, and these dudes are completely
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helpless to try to keep up or transform it into something that's responsible to present
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to an audience who trusts you.
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It's not good.
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Yeah, you would think it about, and this is because I'm not very generous to them, you'd
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think in about 45 minutes they would just start making fart noises every time you spoke,
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but how many hours are we into it now?
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Uh, a bit.
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But one of the things that I think is really, really difficult is that, like, you know,
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if Ari Shafir or like Tom Segura came on Joe Rogan's show and they had some weird ideas
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about COVID, that's not good, but it's going to be a comedian expressing a standpoint.
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Alex pretends to know, like, a ton of stuff, so impressionable listeners will treat the
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things he says differently than something a comedian might say while they're sitting
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around talking shit.
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The potential for harm is significantly increased, and this is a show where the host seems unable
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or unwilling to do the work that's needed to protect this audience from the brand of
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misinformation Alex sells and the harm that can come from it.
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He's treating it like it's just, you know, the same kind of stakes as Ari or Segura in
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there, and it's not.
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I mean, he's unwilling to hold himself accountable and protect himself from Alex's narrative,
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so of course he can't.
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Yeah, I mean, he was rationalizing Rudy.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So yeah, I mean, it's not the best.
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Yeah.
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So now we get our first point where I want to talk a little bit about Tim Dillon.
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So let me back Alex up with the climate change.
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It's like, there's certainly, you know, we're contributing to man-made global warming, but
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also what are you going to do?
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What are we going to do?
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Good point.
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This is perhaps the most disappointing sentence I've ever heard.
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What kind of South Park-ass impotent wearing apathy and defeatism as virtue bullshit is
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that?
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I've tried to be kind to Tim Dillon in the past, because like I said, I think we have
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some mutual friends, and also I don't care too much about comedians who say things I
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disagree with, even if they're guests on Infowars, because Tim has been.
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It's not really that interesting for me to get mad about something someone might have
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been joking about.
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It's often hard to tell the difference between a racist and an edgy comedian who swings and
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misses, so typically I try to stay out of the criticizing comedians game.
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We all know how sad Alex sounds when he yells about Bill Maher or Michelle Wolf.
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That isn't a joke that Tim is saying, though, and it kind of just makes me sad.
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Is the idea supposed to be that no one has any ideas about what can be done to limit
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the damage of climate change?
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I mean, Tim should be aware that people have some suggestions.
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A year ago he posted a comedy video on YouTube making fun of Greta Thunberg, a person who's
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only famous because she's trying to propose solutions to climate change.
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Yeah, but what are we going to do?
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I don't care, and I'm sure Tim's a good guy in a talented stand-up, but I don't buy this
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kind of edge.
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Am I supposed to believe that Tim thinks that even if all the scientists aren't making up
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climate change, that there's nothing we should be doing?
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It really just feels like too hard of an attempt to be right-wing edgy, and I just don't buy
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it.
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It rings hollow to me.
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Oh yeah, we are contributing to climate change.
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What are you going to do about it?
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You know what bums me out is no one's funny.
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That's really bumming me out, because the only reason you have Tim Dillon on there as
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a third party to this is to come with the jokes.
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I think he likes Alex too much.
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Or come with the Eddie Bravo swings.
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That's what you gotta have.
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You gotta have that fucking element.
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You gotta have me screaming nonsense.
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I don't disagree.
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You know?
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And it's like he's just another deferential asshole.
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Yeah, like a slightly less pretending to know things Alex.
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I think it's a mistake that will probably linger, and that is that you should never
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break the format, and that is that if Alex is there, so is Bravo.
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Like you found a winning combination that allows you to pretend, we're just having fun!
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We got Eddie Bravo here.
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What, are you going to take anything anybody here says?
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He thinks the world is flat!
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Exactly!
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You can't take any of this seriously!
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Eddie Bravo's talking!
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Eddie was the thing that kind of allowed you to dodge any kind of criticism.
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And he added an element of some kind of unpredictability.
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He had chaos!
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Yeah, and that's missing from this.
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I don't think it's a good idea to have anybody plus Alex plus Joe Rogan, unless it's Eddie.
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Unless it's somebody who can temper the bullshit that's flying, like insane back and forth
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bullshit.
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I mean conceivably it would be fun for me to be the third person, but again I would
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never do that, and I have no interest in it, but someone who does understand the things
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that Alex is lying about would be very helpful, and it would create, I mean, Alex would leave
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that.
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But you can't just have Tim Dillon as the third participant.
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The show suffers for it, and quite frankly I think that, I don't think that anyone's
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going to enjoy this nearly as much as the other two.
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It's not as good, it's not as interesting.
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And it's not funny.
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A whole large portion of it is Alex talking about how he wants Rogan to drink with him,
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but it's Sober October, so Rogan can't, but Rogan says that he will drink on election
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night, because he's doing the livestream, and it turns out, they announce on this episode,
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that Rogan and Kyle Kulinski are doing a team-up stream of the election, and Alex insinuates
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himself as a guest on that, and over and over again Alex keeps being like, I've bullied
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my way onto your, we're going to drink together on the election night, you're going to be
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fucked up on election night.
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What a pathetic asshole.
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It's very sad.
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That is bad.
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Like, just looking at it on a personal level, a human level, it bummed me out, it really,
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it was desperate, it was needy, it just, it's unbecoming for a character who's supposed
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to be as strong and alpha as Alex, for him to be so, ugh.
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That's the type of shit that a baby comic does to somebody who's like six years in and
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they're like, hey man, you run that really good show, and we're good friends, and it's
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like, if you're a baby comic, everybody tries it once or twice, that happens.
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But if you're like a ten years in guy doing this shit, or an Alex escapes 26 years in,
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you're not doing well.
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Yep, not so good.
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We know those guys.
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Yep.
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So Tim Dillon, like I said, I think that he comes off better than Alex, just because,
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I mean, how could you not?
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How could you not, yeah.
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But I don't know, I don't think that he says all that much that's all that interesting,
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he just sounds like a guy who likes Alex, who's watched too much Infowars, isn't really
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all that critical, but thinks adopting contrarian positions makes up for lack of critical thought.
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Yeah, he's the guy who's wearing a hat, is like, this is a personality.
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No, he's a guy who's wearing a free Ghislaine shirt.
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That's fair, that's very fair.
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It's metaphorical and literal.
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Instead of a hat, it is, yeah, fair enough.
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So in this next clip, you really see the two different kind of realities that are happening
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simultaneously in this episode.
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Joe, we have the documents!
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I'm sucking on this cigar like it's a jelly donut, I'm hoping I can get you the weed on
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the inside.
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Hey Joe.
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I'm like, I'm licking the outside.
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What do you got there, a piece of paper?
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Dang it.
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What does it say?
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What does it say?
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What does it say?
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I think it's confirming what I just said.
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Looking forward to the end of humanity.
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What is this?
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See?
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Okay, but it's a person who wrote this.
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It's Adam Kerr, she's probably got a pistol in his mouth right now.
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No, that's the Wall Street Journal cover story.
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I don't really mean that, Adam, I apologize.
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That's the Wall Street Journal cover story.
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May I please tell you what I came here for?
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Do people not realize that saying that Alex has documents is a joke?
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Like Tim is clearly making a joke when he says that they have documents.
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It's a bit at this point, and the point of the bit is that Alex doesn't have any documents
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and he's making all this shit up.
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The article titled Looking Forward to the End of Humanity isn't about what Alex claims
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it is.
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It's just an opinion piece that actually is pretty skeptical about the possibilities
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that many theorists believe could come with a transhumanist future.
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The headline works for Alex, but because he lacks any depth and he hopes he can just blow
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people's mind with optics, he doesn't go any further than that.
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The actual article is not about being eager for the end of humanity, though it might be
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able to make it, you might be able to make it sound like it.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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Alex has every responsibility to know what this article is about because he's brought
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it up a thousand times in the past, and he's not.
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And because Brogan doesn't have the time to read this entire op-ed, he doesn't have the
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ability to come in and be like, that's not what that's about.
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This is actually really skeptical about the widening gap between classes that could happen
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with the implementation of technological supplementation.
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Like the article uses as an example how you could buy yourself out of war if you got drafted
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in the early days of our country.
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The article is skeptical.
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It's not pro the end of humanity.
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Even just the whole presentation of it, like, why are you acting like it's not a joke that
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Alex has documents?
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You're making that joke.
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You're laughing at that joke because it's funny because he doesn't have documents.
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I think a strategy Rogan should have tried is, sure, you're live streaming it or whatever
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it is.
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I don't think they did.
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I think this one was recorded because of Jamie's COVID or something.
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Oh, that's fair.
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So then here's what you do.
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After the show, you just go in and edit in all the things that you wish Joe had said.
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You'd have him do voiceover later, and you edit it all in, and then it looks like Joe
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is a fucking dynamite interviewer, and Alex is just saying random ass things in response
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to it.
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Just drop this in.
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Alex, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Done.
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Just keep putting that in.
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Just keep putting that in like the he's a dick drop for you.
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Alex, fuck you.
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So Joe and Alex in this next clip, they argue a little bit about driverless cars, and I'm
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just, at this point, a lot of eye rolling.
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Driverless cars don't know a wreck up ahead or what to do.
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They have more accidents.
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Steve Wozniak, as I was saying earlier, the co-founder of Apple says the best AI isn't
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a million percent close to how good an ant's brain is.
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Right.
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Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
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When they first developed cars, they said, well, how are you going to take them?
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There's no road.
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Sure.
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AI powered.
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They built roads.
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Here's the deal.
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Do you understand that the AI that's powering these cars now is not as good?
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Do you understand the people running the AI are predatory anti-humans that said they want
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to get rid of us?
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Okay, Elon Musk is not a predatory anti-human.
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No, I didn't say he was.
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But I understand.
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He's working on autonomous vehicles.
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He said, beware those that speak of AI gods.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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A lot of people are worried that, look, Elon is more concerned.
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Don't give me one of those.
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You keep that shit away from me, motherfucker.
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No, no, no, no.
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He doesn't drink.
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He's trying to give everyone booze.
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Yeah, of course he is.
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Uh, yeah.
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We're at about the point where things sort of like, I mean, I would say that for me intellectually,
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the point where everything broke apart, I mean, there's the beginning, but the part
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where it got really dicey was the CO2 is going to save the world.
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Carbon monoxide.
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Right.
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That was where I was like, uh oh, we're in trouble, but around here is kind of where
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you're in a place where it's like, oh, he's starting to deteriorate a little bit.
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It's hitting him.
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Yeah.
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And I would say that driverless cars argument is Joe really trying to explain to Alex what
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these conversations that people who have concerns about AI are and the reality that future AI
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won't be, uh, you know, what we have now.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um, and Alex just isn't there for that conversation.
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No, that's not interesting to him.
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Nope.
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He has documents and sources that he needs to bring up about how evil these folks are.
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Look how calculators were great.
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No one knows how to do math now.
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Look how phones are right.
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No one knows their numbers anymore.
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All the statistics show that the science of technology is making us dumb.
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And that's why they wrote the big article.
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The co owner of Sun Microsystems in 2000, Bill Joy wrote why the future doesn't need
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us.
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And he explains, he went to a top billionaire tech conference and they made the decision
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to not let humans sit around and play video games of the future that they were just going
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to slowly phase this out and kill everybody.
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Stop.
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They're not trying to kill.
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Okay.
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Pull up.
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Why the future doesn't need us.
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But why, why do you think they're trying to kill everybody?
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Why wouldn't they, can we reverse the question because we're called useless eaters.
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I don't think Tim, you're doing great, but I think they're trying to improve what a person
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is.
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What I think we're doing by chopping our son's balls off.
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Okay.
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You're trying to go down another rabbit hole, you son of a bitch.
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This is the distraction tactics that Alex uses because he can't, he can't stay on any,
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he has to keep moving or else he'll get found out.
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Yeah.
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Like he's a shark of lies.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He is the piranha of truth and the shark of lies.
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So this is the type of show.
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So like four years ago before we had done, before we had started, I could have been the
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third wheel on this show instead of Tim Dylan.
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Maybe.
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I wouldn't have been like me screaming and shit, but I wouldn't have the white hot furious
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hatred that I have now.
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Yeah.
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There was a decent chance that five years ago if I had seen this, like knowing what
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I knew about Alex five years ago, there's a chance that I could have gotten some entertainment
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value out of it a little bit, but I will also say that I probably would have been a little
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bit depressed.
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Oh, I would have been screaming.
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He does not come off well, especially towards the end.
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Um, and it's not, it's not one of those like, uh, like ways to learn kind of sad.
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It's just kind of like really sad, like deeply sad.
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I just don't even, I don't, I don't want to act like I'm teasing this or anything.
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It's just a bummer.
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It's just, it ends like a bummer.
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Good.
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Anyway.
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Um, that's how I want Alex's life to end.
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I believe that I have made the point a number of times that Alex Jones does not prepare
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for anything.
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I've seen him prepare.
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He wakes up at six every morning.
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He reads hours of articles until I should say about that last clip, I neglected to say
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this cause I talk about it all the time, but that article from bill joy did not say, did
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not say any of that.
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Alex is making that up completely.
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We've spoken about it ad nauseum.
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There's a small passage inside that article where bill joy is quoting the Unabomber and
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that's what Alex is talking about.
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Anyway.
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Um, I said Alex doesn't prepare and I need to correct the record.
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Call me David Brock because I'm correct in the record.
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We did not talk about what we're going to cover pre to this dude.
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We're going to talk about a lot of things.
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This is what I wrote last night.
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Okay.
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You ready?
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I want some weed for you.
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I want you to take it down a notch.
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The Silicon cult.
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Okay, go ahead.
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It's another article.
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No, I wrote this.
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Oh, you wrote it.
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You're talking points.
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The Silicon cult, defining the enemy, the carbon announced up front that I am not really
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a liberal or conservative.
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I want a pro human future.
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Fuck off.
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Please listen to me and hear me out.
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Let's stop right there.
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Let's stop right there.
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Let's stop right there.
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Alex is reading off his notes.
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Yep.
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Please announce upfront.
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I am not liberal or conservative.
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Please listen to me.
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I'm pro human.
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Jesus.
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This is when I turned to my like, stop record, stop record.
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You don't get to read that.
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You don't get to read that.
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Start record again.
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Okay.
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But this is one of these points that Rogan does a lot of work trying to help Alex push
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that idea that he's not left or right.
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Fuck off.
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You get called a neo conservative.
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You get called an alt right.
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You get called a far right person.
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When I first met you, you were protesting against George W. Bush and you were saying
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that what he was doing and what he was trying to usher in was essentially going to be the
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downfall of Western civilization before he was elected.
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Yes.
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I remember that.
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So when people say Alex Jones is far right guy, I'm like, he's complicated.
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He's really against corruption more than he's against any particular party.
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Goebbels hated corruption that the right was less apt to censor you and more apt to listen
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to your ideas.
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Exactly.
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And I know we're all not stone day and so we're being a little aggressive, but, but
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here's the old election night of I'm gracious enough to be here or you're gracious enough
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I'll be here.
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We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll get hammered.
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But listen, let's get into Bohemian Grove.
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What fart noises.
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That's it.
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Yeah, all right, let's get into Bohemian Grove.
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You know, Kanye said, uh, George W. Bush doesn't care about black people and now he supports
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Trump.
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These things can change Dan.
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True.
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And uh, I think it's important to always recognize that what you're doing can be altered by why
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you're doing it.
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Ah.
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So if you are protesting Bush because you're further right than Bush, there you go.
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It's not then suspicious you protesting Obama.
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It is unsurprising.
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Cause you will also be to the right of Obama.
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You got it.
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Yes.
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If you are extreme militia right wing, of course someone like George W. Bush isn't going
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to be good for your business or at least complaining about him will be good for your business.
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So I think that Rogan needs to do a little bit of exploration about that.
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Consider why does Alex not like or like the people that he does.
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People find a greater consistency there than, Oh, he just hates corruption.
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God.
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Do you know what's crazy though?
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What I think is the wildest part of this is that all of this stuff he's saying on here,
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you could have planned, you could have seen him saying this shit if you had listened to
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his show for the past week and a half to the point where you could literally have listened
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to his show and been like, I'm just going to grab a couple of clips at random.
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And whenever Alex says, yeah.
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And whenever Alex says something, you could just be like, Oh, that's cool.
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I actually cut a clip from your show of you saying the exact fucking opposite.
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You moron.
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Well, yeah.
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You know, like that kind of shit is there for you if you want it.
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Some of it.
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Yeah.
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And one of the things I think is interesting is that he also says a lot of exactly the
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same thing.
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Well, yeah.
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Like talking about the volcanoes.
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Right.
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You know, like, and that's because I think he recorded this before.
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Almost 100% guarantee it.
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So he might've done these on the same day that he did the volcano.
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Yeah.
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We could be getting the same riffs.
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Yeah.
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It's weird.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, we get back to Ted Gunderson in this next clip because that guy did more things.
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Cool.
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According to Ted Gunderson, first time I ever heard about this was from this former high
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level FBI agent who was gonna be the FBI director, but he wouldn't go along with corruption.
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So he wasn't.
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So we're going to investigate ghosts and he blew up like the things like the Franklin
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scandal and he's been, he has a finders and the finders wall, which was huge, which were
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the CIA was caught trafficking the, you know, the finders is a cult that was caught trafficking
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children and the CIA squashed the Florida and the Gunderson got it rated in DC and found
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a whole CIA facility with the snuff films, everything machine.
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And so he told me about all this and I thought he was crazy, even though he was Ted Gunderson.
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You told us about it and we actually pulled up one of those stories.
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And I was correct.
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Yes, you're correct.
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What?
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We went into the finder situation in a past episode with those children that were found
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with two guys and in a van in Florida.
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And suffice it to say, neither Alex or Tim could prove any of this stuff that they're
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talking about.
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First things first, the finders investigation did not begin until 1987, by which point Gunderson
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was retired from the FBI and was ankle deep in the McMartin tunnel hysteria.
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The scandal, as Tim Dillon put it.
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On Ted Gunderson's website, you can find the 79 page report that he filed on the finders
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case, which is a chaotic mess, and none of it really proves anything.
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The most interesting part of the report is- The part about murder hornets?
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No.
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It's a report that was filed supposedly by Ramon Martinez, who was a US customs agent
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who was on the scene for a raid of a warehouse in DC that an informant had claimed was connected
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with a satanic cult called the finders.
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Martinez writes of seeing proof of child exploitation, and an almost astonishing level of criminal
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sophistication.
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What makes this report interesting is that it doesn't appear to be fake, since it's referenced
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in the FBI finders files that were released recently.
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However, if you consult the files the FBI released, there's reference to follow up on
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the claims from Martinez's report, and how there was no evidence of anything like what
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he describes that anyone else can confirm.
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In fact, the FBI vault files include a report of a 1994 interview with the Washington Metro
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Field Office agent who was present at the raid in question, and it doesn't corroborate
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anything.
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Quote, name redacted, advised that during his review of both material from the computers
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and documents revealed nothing relating to any criminal activity.
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Further, there's the logging of a 1993 interview with a representative of the Arlington, Virginia
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National Center for Exploited and Missing Children who was present for the raid, having
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formally been a detective with the Metro Police Department.
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Quote, he did not see any evidence of criminal activity.
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Because of the anomaly of this report from Martinez, and other unsubstantiated gossip,
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there's been a lingering conspiracy that the CIA was running the finders, but again, this
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has never been demonstrated or proven at all.
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Weirdly, the FBI vault includes a bunch of references to investigations into whether
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or not there was a connection between the finders and the CIA, and it feels like if
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the CIA were running this group for clandestine reasons, they probably wouldn't cooperate
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with an FBI investigation into the cover-up they carried out surrounding it, but maybe
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I'm a sheeple.
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Eh.
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I don't know.
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It sucks.
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It sucks.
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The truth dies in obscurity and is lost, but bullshit just lives forever.
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I think it's more interesting and people respond to shiny things.
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Yeah, nobody likes talking about how Reagan also ignored a massive pandemic and killed
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thousands upon thousands of people.
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So here's a list of the claims that are being made by Tim and Alex that they absolutely
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could not prove beyond saying something like, come on.
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One, the finders were caught trafficking children.
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They can't prove that.
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Two, the CIA squashed the Florida investigation of the group.
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They can't prove that.
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Three, Ted Gunderson got the DC warehouse raided.
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Four, said raid found a CIA facility.
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Please prove that.
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Five, the raid uncovered snuff films.
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Can't prove that.
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There are at least five major claims these dudes are throwing out in this clip that they
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would never be able to come close to proving.
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And at the end, here Joe signing off on this shit.
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This is irresponsible coverage and honestly, I hope Tushy is proud of what they're sponsoring.
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Hey, Tushy.
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You guys are doing great.
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Yeah.
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Shoot some water up Alex Jones' ass.
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So I got really bored for a stretch here and maybe that's just because, like, this is exhausting
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to listen to.
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It's constant bullshit and fast paced.
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Alex is all over the place.
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Joe's trying to reel him in.
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It's a mess.
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They just started talking about Bohemian Grove and Skull and Bones and I just kind of was
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like, pass, pass.
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But then Alex does say something about Skull and Bones that we can actually, yeah, this
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is a little interesting.
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Descendants sues Skull and Bones over Geronimo's bones.
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Descendants show George W. Bush's grandfather robbed Geronimo's grave members.
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Members of the secret society allegedly steal valuable things and put them in tomb.
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Great-grandson says Geronimo should be buried in accordance with tradition.
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Federal law protects Native Americans' rights to their family members' remains.
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And let's expand on that.
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What he just said, because this guy's done his studying.
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That he's talking about Tim has done his studying because Tim has brought up that Bush stole
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Geronimo's skull.
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And then they've pulled up this news article that says that Geronimo's great-grandson is
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suing Skull and Bones to get that skull back, which proves that they have the skull.
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This clip pretty neatly shows how you won't learn anything from this show.
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If you listen to this, you'll think that Tim just claimed that Bush stole Geronimo's skull
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and that Rogan pulled up an article that confirms it.
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In reality, they've both proven nothing.
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This case that Geronimo's great-grandson filed was from 2009.
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And in August 2010, Judge Richard Roberts dropped the case.
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He dismissed it.
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And the reason is actually kind of interesting, but you'd never know if you just listened
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to these dudes.
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The issue is that Geronimo is officially buried in a grave at Fort Sill, which is on US property.
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In order to dig up bodies on federal property, you need to get the permission of the government.
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And the plan of this suit was to sue the US government, President Obama, and the Secretaries
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of Defense and the Army to gain permission to dig up Geronimo and bury him, quote, near
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his birthplace at the head of the Gila River in New Mexico.
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However, in order for a lawsuit to be filed against the US government, first a judge has
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to decide whether or not the case justifies suspending the government's sovereign immunity.
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Judge Roberts found that this case did not have established the cause to waive this immunity,
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so the case was dismissed.
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The plan was to transport the remains to the Gila River, and in the process, determine
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if, as the legend has it, Geronimo's skull had been stolen.
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The great-grandson's lawyer said later that, quote, he will eventually reopen his cases
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against Yale and Skull and Bones if need be, but not until after the Fort Sill remains
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are exhumed.
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They don't know if they have caused to sue Yale or Skull and Bones, until the body's
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been exhumed.
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And then they can see if there's a skull there.
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At that point, I guess they'd have to build a case that was more than just urban legend
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and hearsay that would hold up in court, and then they can go ahead and successfully sue
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Yale, I guess.
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Personally, I think they should let the family dig up the remains.
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I was gonna say, like, what judge is like, oh, look, just because Colonial stole your
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grandfather's bones doesn't mean that you have right to sue the government?
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I'm not saying that that's a right decision, personally, but I'm just saying that is
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what they decide.
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Everyone should just be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, we stole his bones, my bad!
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The bottom line is that there's much more to this story, and it's interesting to see,
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like, how the world works.
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This is not a suit primarily targeting Skull and Bones or Yale or Bush, it's about getting
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Geronimo's remains from Fort Sill, and if the skull is gone, then crossing that bridge
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at that point.
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If you just listen to people like Alex or Tim or Joe, you'll get a more fun, kind
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of wacky version of the story that's really exciting, but ultimately, they have no idea
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if anything they're saying is true or real.
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You get the impression that you're learning something, but you're actually just listening
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to fucked up people ramble about something they read in a blog, or skimmed.
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Skimmed would be a better way, man, that's so fucked up.
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It's not fun.
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Just fucking keeping his bones, like, yeah, we just get him.
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Like what the fuck are you talking about?
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Just give him the fucking bones, like, you don't care, is it a tourist spot, do people
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think?
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Yeah, it is.
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I'm sure it is, well guess what?
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It should be a tourist spot where it belongs!
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Yeah, I spent a while trying to figure out why the government didn't just say cool, and
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I couldn't really get to the bottom of it, and I was running low on time, and I was like,
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I am very curious about that, but I can't figure this out.
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Maybe that he did steal Luke's skull!
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Maybe they're protecting George H.W. Bush's silly skull!
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You make an interesting point, and you could speculate about that, but you also fucking
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couldn't prove it.
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Not going to prove a goddamn thing?
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Yeah.
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So if you use that as evidence that they're protecting George W., George H.W. Bush or
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Prescott, then you're just as faulty as Alex.
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Yeah.
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But it reminds me so much of like, so many times if you go to a museum, you see something
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and like, this was taken by this explorer, and you're like, no, he stole that!
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He stole it!
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Why are we keeping this here?
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This does not belong to us, sir!
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It's like Indiana Jones.
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No, it's just in a museum, so it's okay that we stole it, and now we get to keep it, and
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show it to all the people, and you don't get anything for it.
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It's not an ideal way to operate.
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Yeah, that's probably not good.
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So they talk a little bit about Epstein and Bill Clinton being all guilty.
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Sure.
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And Tim, to his credit, asks like, hey, do you actually think that Trump's clean in all
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this?
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Sure.
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Do you think Trump's clean in everything in this, I mean-
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Oh, you want to get the M.O. on Trump?
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Well, I would like to, because I know that you're-
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I'll give you.
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No, no.
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Here you go.
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Here we go.
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My only superpower is that I really try to give you the accurate thing, doesn't mean
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I'm always right about 95% of the time.
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That's why earlier when I went on that rabbit troll, what I'm saying, listen, Trump doesn't
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like lobbyists.
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He fired them all, he's trying to make the best decisions for everybody in a pragmatic
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free market to not have one-sided trade deals.
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But his blind side was by him not letting lobbyists in, everyone around him became unofficial
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lobbyists.
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That became a 20-minute rabbit hole, which I'm not bitching about.
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Okay.
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But let me tell you about Trump.
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What does that have to do with Trump and Epstein?
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Anyway, I hope that's not-
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Let me tell you about Trump.
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I don't want to talk about him and Epstein.
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So lobbyists, there are tons of lobbyists, and anyways, moving on.
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When Alex responded to Tim's question, they're laughing at him.
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They're laughing at this dumb performance, and they're like, he's not going to tell us
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anything.
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That's why they're laughing.
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When he's like, you want the skinny on Trump?
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They're laughing because it's like, oh, this is what happens right before he doesn't tell
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us things.
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Yeah, no kidding.
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Yeah.
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I think I'm right.
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Anyway, this next clip is the first point where I really got the sense that Joe is trying
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to explain to Alex that Alex is annoying.
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But Joe, you just said I'm hard to deal with.
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Well, because you talk over people.
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When they're talking, you don't let them get the full-
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You've been talking a lot.
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You don't let people get a full thought out.
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And Tim doesn't, like when he's having his thoughts-
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How the censors are good?
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What I was saying is he's talking and you jump in, and the problem is, I know you have
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some things to say, but then you fuck with the thing that's coming out of the other person's
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mouth.
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Okay, explain to me how the censors are loving people.
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That's what you're trying to do.
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I'm not saying they love people.
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I'm saying they're not looking at it correctly because the way they're looking at it, they
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think they're doing a good thing and they're going to usher forth some utopian world of
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communication where people are only saying the things they agree with.
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The problem with that is you don't find out who's right unless you get everybody talking.
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But Joe, it's worse than that.
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You can't have an echo chamber.
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It's dangerous.
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Man, it is hard to listen to this at points like this one.
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It's pretty clear that Joe is fairly annoyed, probably because he's never had to deal with
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Showtime Alex while he himself had to be sober.
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Which must be the worst.
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Oh, that's got to be terrible.
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I appreciate where Joe's going with this thought, trying to find a motive for people wanting
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folks like Alex off social media that isn't, they're demons and they want tyranny, but
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I also think that Joe's wrong.
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I don't think that people want folks like Alex off social media sites because they want
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everyone to say the right, same things.
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I think they want him off because he can't control himself and he represents a danger
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to people.
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So deciding that his behavior is not welcome on your platform is actually an act of customer
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service for your other users.
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I've never heard of anyone getting kicked off Twitter for suggesting a conservative
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tax plan or expressing unconventional views in terms of foreign policy.
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In the case of the people that they try to rally around, they weren't punished for ideas,
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but for behavior that's not welcome in various platforms.
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Social media kicking people like that out is not saying that they want everyone to say
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all the same right things, it's saying that there are certain rules that people have to
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follow if they want to be treated like an adult, and if you refuse to follow them, you
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can be kicked out.
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In this sense, Joe's argument is actually a straw man, but he's coming from a more open-minded,
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less malicious place, so I can kind of appreciate that.
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I would just again respond to this sort of thing by introducing a conversation about
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what sorts of behavior he would be okay with people getting kicked off a platform for,
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and then see where the conversation goes from there.
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All I hear is people going like, oh, you're going to kick these raccoons out just because
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they have rabies.
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That's what you're going to do?
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We're censoring raccoons for having a disease now?
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Now you just, you guys are evil people.
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You're just not going to let these rabid raccoons wander around free, biting people left and
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right.
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You're terrible censors.
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Yeah.
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You guys think you're so great.
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Now I can't stab somebody with a samurai sword?
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It's not a knife, it's a sword.
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It's different.
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So in this next clip, we get another fucking Gunderson moment, and I didn't take the bait
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fully on this one because I was too tired.
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I'd already done two Gunderson rodeos, but I do think that something is brought up here
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that I think is worthwhile to discuss.
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This is in relation to the Franklin scandal.
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John DeCamp was involved with that whole affair, like blowing a whistle.
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And one of his associates was William Colby, the former head of the CIA, who died.
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And this is so illustrative of conspiracy thinking.
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I think it's really important to take a moment to look at things like this.
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William Colby, you went to William Colby and William Colby basically said to DeCamp, listen,
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you're going up against forces that are way too powerful.
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You don't even know what you're knocking on here.
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And then William Colby, I think, changed his mind and said, fuck it, you know what?
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We should stop doing, like, if we're going to fight this, let's fight it.
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And then a little while later, William Colby, who is in great health, great shape, has an
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accident in his canoe, is found dead in a river right by his house with his dinner still
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on the table.
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So it's like nobody gets up in the middle of the dinner to go canoeing.
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So this has been a common theme, whereas if you go against these people, you find you're
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dead.
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He was 76 when he drowned, though.
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Sometimes people with heart attacks are 76.
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I understand that.
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I understand that.
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We're connecting dots here that maybe we don't need to disclose.
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Okay.
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William Colby, director of Central Intelligence, chose to disclose some of the nation's darkest
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secrets to save the spy service he loved, drowned on April 27th in a tributary of a
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time when growing her talent.
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They killed him.
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He was 76.
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Great.
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Thanks, guys.
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Thanks, guys.
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So honestly, at this point, I didn't have the patience to discuss another giant satanic
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cabal ring claim that these dudes can't prove.
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So I'm going to punt on that, we'll do the, we'll talk about Franklin's stuff later.
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Sure.
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I just pulled this clip because it demonstrates how Joe is trying to bring the slightest bit
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of rationality to the conversation, but it just doesn't matter.
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These dudes have decided that this guy who dared to stand up against the man was killed
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because he did it.
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Nah, he was murdered.
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The problem here is that kind of Alex's whole explanation for why no one has killed him
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yet is that he's too high profile, but the person they're claiming they did kill was
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the former head of the CIA.
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Not a media figure, though, Jim.
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Sure.
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High profile.
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Nobody has any idea who this guy is.
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There's no evidence that William Colby was murdered, but you see the piece of evidence
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that Tim keeps pointing to.
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His dinner was still on the table, there.
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Exactly.
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Ha ha.
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You do not go out canoeing while your dinner is still on the table.
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Which I think is very stereotyping, like that's stereotyping behavior.
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That's somebody who's never had a mid-meal canoe trip before.
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Right.
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And if you had, you would know, once you do it, you'll never go back.
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This is a misrepresentation of something from the original news article about the search
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for Colby, published in the Associated Press on April 30th, 1996.
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Quote, investigators found dinner dishes on a table and clam shells in the kitchen sink.
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This would tend to imply that possibly they'd already eaten, or maybe not imply anything
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specific at all.
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But the version that Tim is repeating is that dinner was on the table, which would be kind
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of weird.
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Why would a guy go canoeing in between serving and eating his dinner?
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That's the kind of question that gets conspiracy theorists aroused.
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But in this case, it's actually an inaccurate claim based on initial reports, which is really
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often the case with these guys.
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Also, Colby's wife, quote, had spoken to her husband at about 7 p.m. Saturday, and he had
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said that even though he felt tired, he was going canoeing anyway.
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Also from that article, quote, neighbors said the water was rough Saturday and not good
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for canoeing.
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Yeah.
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But according to those who knew him, he was a creature of habit, and that dude loved canoeing.
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So he's a mid-70s old man on choppy waters that are bad for canoeing, and he must have
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been murdered.
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And just eaten a bunch of clams.
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Yeah, he must have been murdered.
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Yeah.
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Only explanation I can see.
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You can easily find the medical examiner's report of his death, which determined that
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it was an accident.
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He was a little boozed up with a.08 blood reading, but the real important finding was
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that he had calcified atherosclerosis in his coronary arteries, suggesting some possible
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heart trouble.
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Yeah.
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According to the examiner's opinion, quote, he had severe calcified atherosclerosis, which
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would predispose him to a stroke or heart attack.
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Sure.
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Decomposition, however, would dissolve clots and the fatty material in atheroma.
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You see, it ended up taking nine days for them to find his body.
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So in that time that he was in the water, those signs of a stroke or a heart attack
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would be gone.
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Sure.
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But the underlying signs of him being at great risk for those things would still be there.
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The medical examiner also reports, quote, the contents of his stomach are consistent
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with his last reported meal and indicate his death was shortly after his dinner.
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I guess that would have to do with those clamshells that were in the sink.
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That would make sense.
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But of course, Alex and Tim know better.
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The man was clearly killed.
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Why else would he go to dinner?
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He was murdered.
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He was murdered.
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His dinner was on the table, see proof.
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So I mean, I feel like that's really indicative, like the thing that Tim has to hang his hat
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on that makes this so clearly a conspiracy is that his dinner was on the table.
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He brings it up multiple times within a minute of trying to defend this claim.
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And it's not true.
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It's based on this misrepresentation of early news reports.
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I would say that the lesson here is, yeah, sometimes, you know, conspiracy theorists
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will say something that's like, yeah, that is weird.
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Look into it.
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And oftentimes you'll find like, oh, this is being misrepresented.
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What we shouldn't say is, yeah, that is weird.
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We should say, yeah, that would be weird.
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I'm going to go look into it.
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And then I'll come back and tell you that it is weird, but also not true.
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Yeah.
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So at this point I feel like this show is getting a little bit uncomfortable.
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Yeah.
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Joe, you were great on Friends.
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I wasn't on Friends.
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That's a joke.
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Who do you think is great, Joe?
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You think Trump?
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I don't know.
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If you were a Friends character, who would you be?
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I might be Matt LeBlanc, right?
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I think you'd be Jennifer Aniston.
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I don't think so.
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Hilarious.
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Hilarious.
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Who's Matt LeBlanc?
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His name is Joey.
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I identify as Jennifer Aniston.
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He was dumb.
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I'm dumb.
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Perfect.
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Wouldn't you like to have a dentist like Jennifer Aniston and horrible bosses?
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Good stuff.
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Woof.
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This is really uncomfortable.
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That is your boss at six o'clock after work, bunch of people after work function.
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Your boss is like, look at how funny I can be when I'm not in the office.
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Yeah, I'm cutting loose.
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And you're like, you are a deeply uncomfortable and sad person.
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Yeah.
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Alex gets to talking about how the Democrats have admitted that they're going to crash
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the economy to get Biden into office.
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Sounds right to me.
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And man, this is where I was like, all right, this is close to a basketball game because
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Joe is like, Joe nails this one.
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This is a dunk.
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Okay.
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They want to kill the US economy.
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China's been open for six months.
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They admit it's leaked out that they're doing this to kill the US economy.
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Remember?
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It's leaked out how?
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Oh, it's come out, Democratic party, uh, reports it's, it's, it's, it's been stated.
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I mean, you heard Democrats all over the news say we want a depression to make Trump look
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bad.
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Who said this?
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Uh, Bill Maher.
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Yeah.
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But Bill Maher is not a part of the Democratic party is a comic.
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But I used a public joke, but he jokes around about that.
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Like look, okay, we'll crash the economy.
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Well, regardless when Jews try to, or Baptist in New York, try to have an event, the police
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show up and arrest them.
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But then when Antifa or BLM was around, burn stuff down, the mayor says it's great.
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Um, again, pivoting, uh, can't quite handle the pushback on, uh, being like, Hey, uh,
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Bill Maher is not a source.
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You can't use that as a source.
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I was like, get his ass, get his ass.
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Yeah, man.
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Yeah.
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Uh, so Joe pushes back more on this, the idea of using Bill Maher as an example and like,
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man, it's just like, he's, he's totally right.
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But I want to bring you back to what you're saying about crashed the economy.
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You used Bill Maher as an example and I just don't think that's a credible example cause
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he's a comic.
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Yeah, but he's a comic and they always say the comics have bigger coverage than news
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people now.
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That's what Colbert and all them poses news people, Alex, you're, you're, you can't use
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him as an example of someone who's a politician who is calling for the economy to crash strategically.
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If I was a Democrat, I would get the fuck out and up again until Trump was out.
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Right.
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Agreed.
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Right.
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I mean, that's true.
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Agreed.
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If you want it, China wants a shutdown.
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China admits they're using the virus to keep us shut down.
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Do you think he's a bio-weapon?
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I could give you an hour long treat of some COVID-19.
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We'll get to that momentarily.
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Okay.
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I don't want to anger you though.
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Before, before we get...
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No, I love being here.
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I'll sit here and like tell fart jokes if you want.
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I'd rather get drunk and just have a good time.
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We know.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, this is, this is really, I struggle to watch this and imagine how any kind of
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like respect or pretense can be maintained by Joe and Tim.
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Yeah.
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Like how can they not, if they entered this conversation with respect or admiration for
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what Alex does, how can it not be disappearing right in front of their eyes?
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It has nothing to do with him being drunk either.
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It has everything to do with this being like, you can't answer basic questions.
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And when you are asked to give specifics about things like the Democrats want to crash the
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economy to get rid of Trump, you have a fucking comedian.
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Yep.
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That's what you have speaking for the entire Democratic party.
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And I mean, honestly, personally, I really enjoyed that because it's something I talk
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about.
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Of course.
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It is.
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It's something that I've figured out.
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I've reverse engineered from Alex's rhetoric and to see him be forced to admit that and
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explain to his face, you can't do that.
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That's stupid.
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That's fun.
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But it doesn't matter unless Joe says, I can't believe I believe this guy.
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He's a piece of shit.
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He's like, sorry, please don't trust this stuff that comes out of his mouth.
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He's not my friend.
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He's using me.
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He will not be on my election special.
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I would at least like that.
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Yeah.
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But I don't foresee that coming.
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So now, obviously, Bill Maher is not a good example.
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You can't use that.
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So Joe pushes a little bit more and tries to get Alex to give another citation.
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You said something that I want you to back up.
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You said that the Democrats are trying.
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I'm not denying the possibility that this is the case.
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But this seems like if that was the case, it would be a grand conspiracy that would
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at least have you'd have to have some evidence of this to make that statement that they're
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trying or they want to crash the economy because they they want to maintain power and to change
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censorship and to change the way there are laws.
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OK, well, we've had Governor Newsom, we've had Governor Cuomo, Whitmer, Cuomo, exactly
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all say the economy isn't going to be open because Trump's done a bad job.
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We're not going to open until he's gone.
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And Whitmer's even come out.
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But it's true.
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Wait a minute.
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Newsom has openly said that.
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You sure?
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Yeah.
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Type it in.
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I mean, I'm.
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But what do you think he said?
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I've never.
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Type it into what?
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An abacus?
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I'm a critic of Newsom because of his this.
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He's become an autocrat.
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He keeps his wineries open.
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But there's a lot of issues, right?
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There's a lot of issues.
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So that they close so many things.
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So, Joe, Joe, globalism was about selling America off and bankrupting us under Cloward
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and Piven strategies.
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That's fine.
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But don't don't change the subject.
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I'm not.
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Specifically, what Newsom has said.
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He's really trying to change the subject.
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Real hard to change the subject.
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Yeah.
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Because he does not like that subject.
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Yeah.
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No, he knows that upon closer examination, he's going to be shown to have misrepresented
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these quotes.
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Yeah.
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And he can't handle that.
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He tries everything in his power to spin the conversation off into something else, hoping
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people will forget.
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And he does succeed.
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He gets Joe to end up talking about covid when when you say the deaths increase.
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That is going to happen.
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The question is, by what rate and how many?
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Right.
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Well, you checked the normal flu and pneumonia and morbidity like they did this year.
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And you add that to the number.
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They've already run the same scam.
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And so whatever they don't count flu as a death or pneumonia anymore, they only like
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the all kind of covid because they get money on the chart, but they get 50 plus thousand
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dollars when they call it a covid death.
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Plus when they say that they get thirteen thousand cents a covid patient and they get
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twenty nine thousand or whatever extra when they intubate somebody.
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And so now since when is like Congress saying how to do medicine?
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Well, through like Medicare payments.
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But be that as it may, I'm going to now introduce a new segment called Cheers and Jeers.
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OK.
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Very standard name for a segment.
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That is a bit standard.
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Yeah.
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Cheers.
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Yes.
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Joe Rogan for allowing Alex to do that.
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They get money for covid patients, bullshit and flu deaths.
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Big jeers.
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That deserves some pushback.
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Oh, yeah.
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Cheers to Joe Rogan for I think that he didn't push on that because he's still trying to
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focus on this Newsome comment.
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He's giving it a shot.
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Yes.
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He's he's giving it a go.
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I think he's been like, OK, if he said that, we should be able to find the proof of that
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short.
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He's trying to stay in the pocket and dodge jabs.
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And unfortunately, he's getting hit with a couple of things like dumb covid.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But he's letting that blow glance off him.
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God damn it.
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He's literally Glass Joe.
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What did Gavin Newsom say, though, that when you said that he said it's not going to get
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better until Trump's out of office?
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Well, it's it's Whitmer that said that specifically.
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And he said Cuomo because I remember that, too.
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But he was just basically like, well, I want to be friends with Trump.
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There's been a bad response.
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We've got to keep the lockdown going.
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And, you know, until Trump does this wrong, until we have a change, it's going to continue
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on.
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And then it's always about the power grab, like, oh, it's two years.
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We have to do it.
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Now it's now it's first.
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It's 15 days to keep the hospitals empty.
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And then it's then it's oh, six months.
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And now it's two years.
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The Gates said like a week ago, it's 10 years.
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And now they've got the people vouching under saying, no, it never ends.
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You never shake hands.
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And under the UN rules, they say, don't look at someone and turn your head.
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So in Europe, you can type this in.
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Citizens in the UK told do not look at other people and turn your head.
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It's cult programming, man.
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I think it's a pretty common talking point.
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And some people agree with it.
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Like a lot of Democrats would say, yeah, it's not going to get better until Trump is out
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because Trump has made a mess of it.
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So Tim is like this is basically his purpose.
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Yeah.
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Or not purpose, because I don't know if it's intentional, but the role that he fills throughout
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most of this is trying to restate insane things that Alex says, recontextualize ridiculous
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shit Alex says to make it seem slightly more reasonable.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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But also not what Alex is saying.
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Exactly.
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Because saying that, you know, predicting that things aren't going to get better as
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long as Trump is in charge is not the same thing as threatening to keep everything closed
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until you get into power.
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In fact, I would say they're very, very different things.
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Yes, they are.
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And I think that Tim is trying to muddy that water, whether it's an intentional act or
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not.
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I think it just might be based on his predisposition.
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I mean, I think it can never be overstated or stated too often.
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These are three very stupid people all sitting around a table talking shit.
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Maybe they're at least don't know what they're talking about.
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Exactly.
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I don't know if they're stupid in all facets.
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I think that Joe Rogan's a pretty smart guy when he applies himself and seems to want
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to, like he, he, he, he's not a dumb, dumb idiot completely.
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No, no, no.
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He has a lot of bad positions and seems to have a lot of what I'm going to generously
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call blind spots.
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I don't think he's stupid.
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That's very generous.
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And I also don't think Alex is stupid.
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I don't mean...
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He has craft to what he's doing.
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Obviously I'm not trying to say that these are people who are like IQ deprived nonsense
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like that kind of thing.
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I'm just saying that these are people who are willfully committed to not learning the
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answers to the questions that they are asking.
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It does appear that way.
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That's the only explanation for this.
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Except for Joe in this moment.
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Okay.
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Because he wants to know about this fucking quote.
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Okay.
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I wonder if there's an actual statement where he said, when Trump leaves, then we'll open
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back up.
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That's what, that's actually what Whitmer said specifically, but he said some more things.
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Well, let's find where Whitmer said that.
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I'm going from memory here.
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I mean, my God.
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I understand.
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We've got Newsom now.
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It's Whitmer for sure.
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It's Whitmer.
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Yeah.
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So we've pivoted over to that.
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It's a little bit different.
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Making finding what this is all the more confusing.
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Twice as hard.
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Whatever Jamie's been doing, trying to Google things, now he has to start over.
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Yep.
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So Alex gets a little bit combative about how interested Joe is in finding out what
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he's talking about.
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Do we ever find a quote for Whitmer?
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I can't find anything.
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Okay.
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There's lots of quotes, but I can't find anything.
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Do you want me to find it?
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Can you?
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Yes.
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Just hold it on your phone.
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I will.
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Tim and I will talk amongst ourselves.
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I don't know what that is.
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Okay.
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Gretchen Whitmer.
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They almost kidnapped her by the way.
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Here it is.
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No, I don't have it.
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I'm just...
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Thanks Tim.
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Whitmer when Trump leaves office quote.
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She was almost...
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There was a kidnapping plot against her.
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No, it's Whitmer.
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Which 50% of the...
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Lockdowns won't end until Trump gone.
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That's just...
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Come on.
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Right.
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Lockdowns won't end until Trump gone.
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Try that.
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Whatever.
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I know it's true.
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I'll try to find it.
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Whitmer...
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Thanks Alex.
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Won't end until Trump gone.
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He'll find it.
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Whatever.
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I know.
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We're all together like a well-oiled machine right now.
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Please trust me.
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Yeah.
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So since they're talking about Whitmer and Tim has brought up that there was that kidnapping
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attempt plan.
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That is a false flag although Alex would agree that it is a good idea as well.
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They sort of get into that a little bit.
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And then Tim makes a joke and then one of my favorite fucking moments in podcasts like
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this happens.
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What was that all about?
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It was a plot to like kidnap her.
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That was weird but I'm sure it's a murder.
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And I predicted up front that it was going to be FBI provocateurs and it turned out the
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two leaders were FBI informants.
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What?
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What's even crazier is 52% of the citizens of Michigan agreed with the plot.
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That's a joke.
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That's a good one.
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They're going to edit that part where you say that's a joke.
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Joe Rogan's guest calls for kidnapping.
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This is outrageous.
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Please.
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D platform.
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This is intro-contro.
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When I went on Alex's show, Alex goes, Snopes always goes and finds like jokes he makes
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and they go, they go, correction, Hillary Clinton is not an Oompa Loompa.
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Did you guys see that, um, Brett Weinstein's unity 2020 account was also banned from Twitter.
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My producer just told me that.
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His unity 2020 account was, which was calling for a third party, was calling for unity between
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people on the right and the left to get together and have conversations and perhaps even have
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an alternative candidate.
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That's outrageous.
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I love how obsessed these dudes are with how fun it will be when the snowflake libs take
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something they say out of context.
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They are obsessed with it.
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I think they should be way more worried about someone taking them in context and actually
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caring about what they say because the picture looks way worse than a couple of B- jokes.
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I'm going to go with yeah.
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As for unity 2020, I don't know exactly why Twitter kicked the account off the platform,
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but if I were a betting man, I would say it was probably because it's almost certainly
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a bad faith campaign to fuck with the election.
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In September, like two months before an election, that's when Brett fucking Weinstein is going
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to get a campaign rolling to field a candidate for president.
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Yeah.
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It's about time.
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That's fucking horseshit.
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We need a third party, and I think well after all the nominations are taken care of, long
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after everybody knows exactly who the candidates are, it's a good time for somebody to come
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in and shake things up, Dan.
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So Weinstein's ticket is Tulsi Gabbard and Dan Crenshaw, who-
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Okay.
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All right.
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Now that actually, that'd be a fun administration.
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I would like, why don't we have one-eyed vice presidents?
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We haven't had any before.
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That would also be a milestone.
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Yeah.
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So as far as I can tell, they have not agreed to run on this ticket.
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Oh no?
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And according to a video Weinstein posted on September 1st, he hadn't even collected
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signatures to get on ballots.
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Basically what Weinstein was pitching was for all the third parties to coalesce around
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his ticket as if the Green Party and libertarians, even if they wanted to, they could team up
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to beat Biden or Trump.
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Easy, easy.
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If you actually watch Weinstein's video, it's legitimately just him saying that he's not
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even going to try to get ballot access for Unity 2020 as a party because he knows that's
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laughable.
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Well, yeah.
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So instead his strategy is to beg the Green or libertarian parties who already have candidates
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to abandon their candidates and instead allow Brett Weinstein to choose their ticket, which
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would be Tulsi Gabbard and Dan Crenshaw.
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Now I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that that might be an overreach.
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It's so dope.
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Look, I like a big swing.
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That's a big swing.
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If I were Twitter, I would kick this off too, but that's because I was worried about it
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affecting the election, but because it's a very thinly veiled grift.
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Get the fuck out of here with this shit.
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That is way too desperate even for words.
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For some context, the video of Weinstein's plan has been up for two months and on YouTube
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has gotten 21,000 views.
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Ooh, that's not good.
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Not a lot of interest.
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I don't know.
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Did Tulsi Gabbard view it though?
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She might have.
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She's like, I didn't sign up for this shit.
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Dan Crenshaw is like, I'll steal the presidency from her.
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Like Weinstein had the ability to go on like Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan's podcast and
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promote his Unity 2020 concept and his fucking video got 21,000 views.
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Not a lot of excitement surrounding this.
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Bunch of dicks.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, Jamie has now found the quote after those dudes riffed for a little while and
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that gave Jamie time to do some typing.
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All right.
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Jamie found something.
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This is as close as I could get to what he's asking for.
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Okay.
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The Trump virus response is the worst in the globe.
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She said, if you're tired of lockdowns or you're tired of wearing masks or you wish
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you were in church this morning or watching college football or your kids were getting
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in-person instruction, it's time for a change in this country.
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And that's why we've got to elect Joe Biden.
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I mean, that's pretty, that's what I mean.
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You can make that say whatever you want almost.
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Yeah.
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But that's the common sentiment.
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Right.
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Right.
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Pretty much.
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The problem is the problem is if you just take it from, if you're tired of lockdowns
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and then you get one, you get one interpretation of it.
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But if you back it up to the Trump virus response is the worst in the globe.
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She said, if you're tired of lockdowns.
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So what she's saying is you're not necessarily because what she's saying is because that's
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the problem with taking something out of context, which she's saying is we got a wonderful person.
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Trump's done.
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No, I'm not saying that.
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What she's saying is that Trump has done such a shitty job.
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That's the reason why we're locked down.
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You can't go to get it.
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The headline was, I don't know if that's true though.
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I think when you got a contagious disease, you got people flying in from Europe and China
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and all these other countries expressing Joe, you're going to have spread.
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I mean, this is a fucking insanely contagious disease show is when you ask Jamie for something
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and the light turns on when you're looking at it.
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Let me ask you this.
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You're in a numerology.
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How hammered are you right now?
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On scale one to 10.
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Not at all.
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We're we're into numerology.
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This is when it gets good.
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Great.
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So you can see here the decision tree of Alex's responses to being confronted with something
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he can't really dispute.
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He's misrepresented reality and reality is looking back at him with the only possibility
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seeming to be that he made up the Whitmer quote or he didn't understand this one and
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repeated a misleading version for his own purposes.
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His first attempt to wiggle free is to claim that they're splitting hairs.
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And this probably usually works for whatever reason.
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Joe doesn't accept this and says it's not.
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So Alex has to try other things.
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Game two.
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Right.
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And game two is basically like, she's a wonderful person.
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Like create false versions of what Joe is saying so he has to defend himself from the
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fake version.
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Joe just ignores that, keeps moving forward.
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And then we get to transitioning to something completely unrelated and possibly too interesting
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or confusing to resist following up on.
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In this case, numerology.
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I just wish these dudes like Tim and Joe could see in the moment how much of a one trick
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pony Alex is and just disabuse themselves with the idea that he's worth listening to.
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All he did, all he did was realize he can't play defense, so he went on offense, realized
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he couldn't play offense, so he tried to change the field.
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He's a child saying I'm going to take my ball and go home.
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Every time.
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You don't like the game that's being played so you distract people with numerology.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Totally.
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And the numerology thing is just him being like, you had me on episode 9-11, is there
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any meaning to the episode numbers?
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It's obviously just like an attempt to go to another conversation.
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Because the end of the road has been reached for Alex.
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She didn't say that.
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And you're full of shit.
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Yeah.
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You can't defend this.
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Nope.
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Other than to be like, yes, I guess I took that out of context.
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And then now you have the responsibility to have that in your awareness, that you took
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this out of context.
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You can't use this argument anymore.
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I assume he's done with it.
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I doubt we'll ever hear anything like that again.
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I think he's learned his lesson this time, right?
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Yeah, probably.
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So they get to talking some more.
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And Alex brings up Operation Lockstep.
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Oh, great.
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And now here is where Joe does his other bit of good work.
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And that is, he's like, what are you talking about?
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The UN and the Davos Group all say, this is the post-industrial world, the Great Reset,
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I got a copy of it for it right here.
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And they say, in these documents, we are going to reorganize society, COVID is good to shut
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down the carbon, carbon is bad.
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We're going to end success, we're going to end prosperity.
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We're going to track everybody, we're going to control their lives, all under the name
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of COVID.
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They said all that?
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They said we're going to end success, we're going to end prosperity?
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Yeah, in the Lockstep Rockefeller document 2010, they say, we'll have a viral release
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or simulated one that creates total fear, we'll bring in a police state, martial law.
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Is this available for someone to read?
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Absolutely.
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Alex, wasn't it?
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We've read, we've talked about this a ton.
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I've read this document.
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And Alex is completely lying about it.
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But it's interesting that I got so excited when Joe pushed back on that because I'm like,
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this is the motherlode.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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If you are successfully able to push back on Alex and demonstrate what he's doing here,
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the game is over.
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It is.
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It really is.
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This fully and very explicitly exposes him.
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Yeah, once you're like, actually there were four scenarios, actually this wasn't a plan,
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this was just a simulation to see what we can do, how that's going on.
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This whole thing-
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You completely misrepresented it as a plan.
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And then you say, and you fucking know it.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Yep.
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Or did you not read this?
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Yeah, exactly.
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Have you been talking about this for months as a dystopian, terrifying plan and you've
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not even read this?
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What is it?
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Because it's one of the two.
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Either you didn't read it or you're lying to me.
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So you choose.
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Yeah.
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And get the fuck out of my studio.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if you had any dignity, if you had any feeling of responsibility for your audience,
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you have an obligation to do something like that.
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Yep.
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And I got really excited because Jamie is able to Google things.
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Yeah.
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And it's not hard to find.
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It's not.
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It's very easy to find.
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Yeah.
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And so Jamie Googles this and here's what ends up happening.
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I was already looking this up as you mentioned it, because I was going down my own little
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rabbit hole.
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It says, when I first started to find it, my first search just says, there's a small,
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a large conspiracy has been built out of a small grain of truth from this document from
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2010.
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Okay.
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That's what it starts to say.
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So I haven't-
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The grain of truth.
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Yeah.
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So Snopes is like God.
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It's like-
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I don't think, is it Snopes that you Google this?
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Let's focus on the grain of truth.
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No, no, no.
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Who says there's a grain of truth?
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The grain of truth, the kernel of truth is that this document does exist.
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Let's focus on all the treasure trove of lies.
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Yeah.
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So let's focus on the grain of truth.
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That's very small.
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Let's deal with the big thing first.
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All the lies around it.
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So they find a document.
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The Rockefeller Foundation Annual Report, 2010.
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I'll control F. What would you like me to look up?
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Uh, look up, uh, police state.
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Look up-
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Yeah.
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Just look up police state.
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Don't forget the exact words.
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I mean, just go read it for yourself, man.
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Control F, police state.
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This is just one paper?
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That's it?
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I mean, that's the whole PDF is here.
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It's like, it's really, really long.
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So when you control F, police state, nothing?
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Okay.
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What else?
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Uh, I've read it before it says that, so anybody can go read it right now.
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So you think they edited it?
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No.
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No.
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I mean, I can't remember the exact words.
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Okay.
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So let's look up pandemic.
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Look up pandemic.
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Alex has to feel his world and walls closing in on him at this point because like, oh,
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they're not going to find the things that I've said are here.
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It's just not there.
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They're not in there.
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No.
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There's a problem with the things that I said.
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Yeah.
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So Joe has Jamie search for the word pandemic and he begins to read.
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All right.
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With no network to transfer critical infectious disease information without open lines of
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communications, thousands more fall sick, the new in quotes, disease becomes an unchecked
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pandemic by the time the right expertise is brought to bear on the problem.
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It's too late.
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The disease has spread around the globe in a world of global trade and travel.
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What's treated faster and travels furthest are the microbes in every handshake, Southeast
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state.
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So what are they, what is this in reference to?
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Okay.
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It says a few miles East, but young boy has been, no, hold on, don't.
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Please go back to that.
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Yeah.
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Just, it's just, it's just a scenario that they're painting.
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Whoa.
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Here's the exact moment that Joe needs someone like me around.
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Yeah.
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Although I would never accept that position, even if it were offered.
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Of course.
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The first problem is that Joe has the wrong document.
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This is the Rockefeller annual report from 2010, which Jamie has found a link to, whereas
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the one Alex lies about and turned into the fictitious operation lockstep is called scenarios
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for the future of technology and international development.
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They're both Rockefeller foundation documents from 2010.
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So it's an easy mistake to make, but the idea that there is such a thing as operation lockstep,
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that just is something Alex took from a meme.
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I applaud Joe for trying to find the document and I further applaud him for being able to
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discern that the text that he was reading was a scenario that was being described as
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opposed to the text being a nefarious plan, but he doesn't have the full picture.
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If he knew what he was talking about and knew what the conversation was, he would know that
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this wasn't the right document and he would know that the correct document is a breakdown
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of four imaginary scenarios of ways in which technology and political situations could
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advance in the developing world.
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The four scenarios depict worlds where things develop differently on two axes.
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The first political and economic alignment can either be strong or weak.
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The other adaptive capacity can either be low or high.
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The scenario Alex is pretending is the Rockefeller's plan for the world is just the way that the
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authors of this exercise chose to characterize an imagined future with strong political and
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economic alignment and low adaptive capacity.
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And I know that we've talked about this a bunch, but I figure there may be a chance
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that people haven't heard that because they're drawn in by a Rogan episode, and this is an
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important point of Alex's complete fraud that he's pulling.
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They were using game theory to figure out what might happen.
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The end.
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Well, economic and political alignment has to do with the ways in which the state does
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control of a lot of industry, and adaptive capacity in terms of technological advancement
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has another axis that's important.
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And so those are the two axes that the team of experts who prepared this report thought
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were the most important in terms of deciding what sort of challenges should be prepared
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for.
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There are a ton of other axes that they could have done a report on, and it would have been
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different than this.
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Totally.
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But what they're doing, I mean, what they're essentially doing is applying quick game theory
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to this.
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So you've got four boxes.
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Top left is one, one.
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Top right is one, zero.
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Bottom left is zero, one.
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Bottom right is zero, zero.
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That's what they're trying to do and extrapolate from there.
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That's the whole idea.
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And come up with realistic depictions of what that world could look like.
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And in those depictions, they have one, in the lockstep one, there is a virus that is
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involved in the background of what the scenario describes.
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And Alex has taken that to pretend that there is such a thing as Operation Lockstep that
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is from this 2010 Rockefeller document, and it's just a complete lie.
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Because Joe doesn't know what Alex is talking about, he's tried to find the thing he needs
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to judge Alex's claim, but he doesn't know it's not the right thing.
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So they're never going to get to any truth.
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Alex is wasted and he doesn't know which report is which to begin with, so he's no help.
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That's kind of what makes this show pointless, unless there's an expected stake that if Alex
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cannot defend his claims, they're assumed to be wrong and he's full of shit, he's going
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to win every time.
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Because what do you do here?
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What do you do?
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He's like, I know, it's in there.
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Where do you go from there?
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All right, let's read this whole document.
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Or worse still, you got the wrong one, you criticize him for it, the next day he's like,
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see they weren't even reading the right document.
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The end.
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Now granted, you never want to explain why you didn't realize that, but anyway, Joe continues
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to read this document, though it is the wrong one.
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By continuing our drive to invest in systems that coordinate efforts and share information,
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the Rockefeller Foundation is working to ensure that we have the ability to meet the health
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challenges of an interconnected world.
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Isn't the perfect analogy terrorism, because it's like, terrorism exists, people want to
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prevent terrorism, but it's like, how many rights do you give up in order to do that?
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So neither Joe nor Alex realize this isn't the document that Alex's entire conspiracy
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is based on, because surprise, neither of them have actually read it.
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Tim, surprisingly, has read it.
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No, he hasn't.
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Not interested.
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He doesn't know at all what's going on.
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He's not sharing his expertise, this is where he stays silent, right?
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I want to address Tim's comment there at the end, because I think it's great stuff.
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I do think that there's a productive conversation that could be had about the push and pull
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of personal freedoms and the responsibilities we have to each other, because we live in
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a world that has a population over one.
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There are points that people who prioritize individual freedoms could make that could
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be compelling, and the same is true of people who believe a more important element is the
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communities around us.
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That's great.
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That's a conversation I encourage people to have, because outside of the people on the
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fringes of either side, there's a lot of people with valuable things to say within that spectrum.
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However, one of those people is not Alex Jones.
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He is a liar and an idiot.
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I wouldn't want to have that conversation with anyone in that room, except for maybe
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Jamie, and that's only because I don't know anything about him.
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Except that he's got COVID.
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Or that he's got a computer.
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So at least he could look up the things that you're saying.
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I could have that conversation with him, maybe, but only because he hasn't disqualified himself.
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But there are moments like that where Tim's saying something and I'm like, yeah, fair
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enough, but why are you bringing that to this room?
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Go sit around with a joint and your friends and talk about this, it's going to be better
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for you.
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Yeah, instead you're ruining other people's lives.
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Way to go.
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Good work.
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He can fucking prove lockstep stuff though, he can do it.
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I've got the operation lockstep documents where they say we're going to bring in this
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global authoritarian police state.
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But then you have to show us those.
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Well, I mean, I'm sitting here in studio talking to you about this.
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But I understand.
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That's all internet.
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I understand what you're saying, but we wanted to try to read it.
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But you know everybody else watching this is going to go look it up.
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Well, I hope they do.
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They're going to go crazy.
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I wish we could have found it right then if it's real.
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No, no, no, no.
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I know you want to show it.
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It's going to be an interpretation of what they're saying.
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So close.
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Like the Whitmer quote.
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No, it says specifically.
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The Whitmer quote is just a criticism of Trump.
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She's blaming all this lockdown on Trump.
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No, Whitmer was found by the Supreme Court of Michigan and by a federal court to have
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seized all three branches of governments and basically set up martial law.
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They even use those terms.
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Here's what I can't understand.
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How can Joe Rogan so clearly understand that in the case of the Whitmer quote, and most
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likely in the case of this lockstep thing they can't find, that Alex has taken something
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completely out of context and interpreted it poorly, yet he can't grasp, but that's
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all Alex does.
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How can he be that close and not see Alex's act?
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I'm just so surprised right now that I've caught you in this lie because I've never
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tried to catch you before and so straight up when I've been drunk with you, you've always
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been telling me the truth and now I'm finally pushing back and it seems like you're lying
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to me.
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Yeah.
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So strange.
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Yeah.
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It's so weird because here again, Alex is cornered with Joe pointing out essentially
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his entire career sleight of hand and to wiggle out, Alex starts ranting about something unrelated.
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They were talking about Alex's interpretation of the Whitmer quote and he went off about
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the Michigan Supreme Court.
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This is to try to move the conversation into territory he can handle because he's being
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confronted about his willful misrepresentation or lies about news items.
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That's not something he can deal with.
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Also the Michigan Supreme Court just ruled that the executive orders that Whitmer signed
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and tried to extend could not be extended.
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The court decided that the governor and legislature would need to work together to come up with
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the appropriate measures to deal with COVID-19, which I think is a little bit shy of, she's
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grasped all power.
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She's taking control of Michigan herself.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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A little bit different.
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So Tim again steps in in his role and that is to try and be like, eh, he's close though.
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He's close.
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Can you say in that quote, I want to, when you say if you are sick of lockdowns and you're
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sick of not being able to go to church, Joe Biden should be elected.
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Agreed.
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It's not a huge jump from what he said.
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No, it's not a huge jump.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But the problem is the way it's being said, she was talking about how bad Trump handled
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the rate of infection first.
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Of course.
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And that's-
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All right, well let's expand on that.
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I remember like interviewing Lou Dobbs like 15 years ago.
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Okay, fine.
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Here's my response to that.
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Yeah.
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And I think that in a different setting you can see the conversation that's trying to
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be had.
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And that is, okay, let's look at this quote and see the way that Alex's interpretation,
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you can understand why he's saying that, but that's not necessarily a fair interpretation
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of what her intention was or what she meant.
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You can see the path that this could go down if it wasn't a bunch of dumdums who are fucked
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up and yelling.
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And Alex didn't have a vested interest in derailing the conversation, rambling about
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Lou Dobbs.
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A little bit right there.
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Yeah.
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It's not bad.
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It's pointless.
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This is an exercise in futility.
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And I think if Joe is just trying to do like some kind of a meta art project where he shows
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that like talking to these people is not worth it, then he's succeeded.
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But short of that, this is a failure.
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Anyway, we get back to Lockstep and guess what?
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Jamie found the right document.
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They talk about in Lockstep bringing in a global authoritarian system.
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They talk about riots.
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They talk about war.
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If you can find that article, I found something, but I'm trying to understand what it's saying
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because it's speaking about years in the future as though they've already happened.
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Well, we're not too far away from...
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Let's see it.
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Because they're painting another scenario just like they painted with that infection
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scenario.
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Archive.org I found.
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I went to the second page of this link, but this is like scenario narratives.
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It says Lockstep.
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So they found the right document and now Alex has got to be like, oh, God.
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Oh, fuck.
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Well, because he kind of wiggled out of the last one.
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He almost got free.
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That was a trap.
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Yeah, he almost got free.
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He was trapped.
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And he got out.
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Yeah.
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And then now...
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Like the Duke boys.
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Now he got cocky because he probably assumed like, well, Jamie's not going to find anything
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else.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I assumed...
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Jamie's not going to look for anything else.
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He's already found it.
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I assume there's only one Rockefeller report.
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And so he brings back up Lockstep as a piece of evidence thinking it's in the clear.
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Jamie's like, I actually found this thing and so they start trying to read it.
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And I wish they understood what they were reading, quite frankly, because it could have
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an actual conversation.
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But they do not.
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Okay.
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By 2025, people seem to be growing weary of so much top-down control and letting leaders
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and authorities make choices for them.
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Wherever national interest clashed with individual interest, there was conflict, sporadic pushback
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becomes increasingly organized and coordinated as disaffected youth and people who have seen
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their status and opportunities slip away, largely in developing countries, incited civil
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unrest.
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By 2026, protesters in Nigeria brought down the government, fed up with the entrenched
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cronyism and corruption.
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Even those who liked the greater stability and predictability of this world began to
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grow uncomfortable and constrained by so many tight rules and by the strictness of national
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boundaries.
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The feeling lingered that sooner or later, something would have inevitably upset the
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neat order that the world's governments had worked so hard to establish.
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Okay.
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I never read that, but that's the other stuff.
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It's thousands of pages, man.
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So to be clear, the Rockefeller report scenarios for the future of technology and international
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development is not thousands of pages.
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How many pages is it?
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54.
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Ooh.
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The section about Lockstep, that scenario is actually only eight pages.
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Alex has no idea what his grand Lockstep conspiracy is based on, and here he is being shown exactly
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what it's based on.
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He claims he's never read the thing and the document's super long, so how could he possibly
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know all of it?
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This is shameful shit.
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And honestly, if Joe or Jamie understood the document they were reading or Alex's narratives
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around it, they would have all the tools they would need to fully expose Alex's charade
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for millions to see on their show.
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This would be a bubble puncturing moment.
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If they knew what they had in their hands.
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It's insane.
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That is a real bummer.
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So Alex knows kind of, I mean, he has to know that like, fuck, I'm in trouble.
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So he just ends up playing dumb.
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It's in there.
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It's thousands of pages, man.
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Okay.
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It talks about global police state and worldwide riots, and I mean, we're not that far away.
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People are saying-
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They're writing that, because they're writing it almost like they said it.
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I've never seen that part.
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I'm just saying, it says stuff like that.
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I've never seen that part.
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It says stuff like that.
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Yeah.
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And you know what I honestly get the vibe of?
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Like I can't, I obviously can't prove this.
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Sure.
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I don't know, but it has the feeling of like, I think Tim recognizes that Alex has caught
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too.
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Yeah.
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And he's trying to save him.
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Yeah.
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It does feel like that.
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It does feel like Tim is making every possible excuse.
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Like, no, what he's actually, no, no, Joe, I understand where you're coming from.
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And I think that's a really good point that you held his feet to the fire, but what if
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instead of him saying the thing that he said, he said this thing, which you more likely
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agree with.
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Yeah.
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Now all appearances seeming to indicate that this source that Alex is basing a conspiracy
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on is nothing like what he has described it as.
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It's actually something else completely different, but isn't it close?
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What if I moved these goalposts over here to a completely different spot in a different
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universe?
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Then he would have made it.
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Then you got three points.
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He got a touchdown.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's a very...
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Christ.
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Oof.
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So Alex sees up on the screen, because in the studio they have the screen where Jamie
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projects his computer screen.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And so Alex is looking at that and he thinks that he's found the right words in this lockstep
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document.
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Oh, no.
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Oh, Alex.
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That he actually has already said, I haven't seen this, I don't know this part, but now
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he sees the right words.
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Jesus.
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There it is.
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Authoritarian capitalism, I remember, I don't have it in front of me, but I was reading
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the lockstep Rockefeller documents and they predicted worldwide police state, authoritarianism,
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civil war.
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You do have them in front of you.
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They're on screen.
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This is will Africa embrace, will Africa's embrace of authoritarian capitalism a la China
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continue?
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And then Vietnam to require a solar panel at every home in 2022.
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And then in 2025...
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Yeah, it's not the same documents I saw, but that's the question is...
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It's weird the way they're writing this.
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They're writing this as if they're predicting...
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Already happened.
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Yeah.
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Well, they're talking about it like they're seeing the future and almost like it's fiction.
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But Joe, here's Trump saying, we're not going to control the pandemic.
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You don't.
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You get used to it.
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You get over it.
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You fight it with nutraceuticals.
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You fight it with therapeutics.
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It's the idea that...
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And Bill Gates came out two weeks ago and he goes, we'll be shut down for 10 years until...
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Is that what he said?
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He said, yeah.
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No.
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Change the subject, hit another talking point, move along.
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Is that what he said?
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Yeah.
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And now we have successfully moved on and we can ignore the fact that your complete
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lockstep bullshit fell apart upon analysis.
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And it's just...
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Just jumped the General Lee over it again.
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Yeah.
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I don't understand how you can be Joe Rogan.
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Be sober.
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Go through that and then move along to something else and not be like, that was, you just got
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destroyed.
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Yup.
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Your boat is sinking, man.
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You just, you have this giant conspiracy about the globalists and call operation lockstep
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that's been in planes for 10 years and we pull up the document that you're like, oh,
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there's a word to do.
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All right.
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Oh, I read this.
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It's thousands of pages long.
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I don't know.
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So it's so, you're exposed, man.
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Price has officially made it so that he only gets two small air holes in his box.
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Oh no.
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If he continues, Dan, how many more clips do we have?
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He's going to wind up with no air holes.
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I hope not.
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I'm telling you right now, if he keeps going like this, there's going to be zero air holes.
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I would like to salvage at least one.
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Okay.
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So good luck.
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We transitioned from that to just being like, hey man, I'm not perfect.
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What could be done?
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What can be done?
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Man, all I know is I try to tell the truth.
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I make mistakes, but I'm sitting here with these notes I've written where I read what
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globalists say.
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I gave me that wall street journal article.
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They go, we're in, we're impure that we can get sick.
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It's time to get rid of all humans and merge with machines.
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It's so beautiful.
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I think, well, that's just one kook.
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And then it's almost all these people.
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That's not what the wall street journal article is about.
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You're just going based on the old headline.
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I would like to read a quote from that and see if it says what Alex thinks it says.
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Why don't you give that the lockstep treatment.
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Yeah, see how that quote goes.
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So at this point, the show descends into a completely boring stretch where Joe tells
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Alex about his feelings about UFOs and Alex does his best not to interrupt and drinks
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a bunch.
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It's fine, but I'm not particularly interested in Joe talking about aliens to Alex who's
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barely paying attention and Tim, who honestly might as well not be there.
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And then Alex says this, we're a little bit beyond just apes.
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Usually we're from outside the planet and there's something bigger going on.
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Like this, this life forms happened before.
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This is a major test.
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And so we can sit there and just say, Oh, we're just apes.
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No, I don't mean that.
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What I mean by we're just apes is that in comparison to what we could be eventually
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through evolution, you're saying we're a little, we're, we're, we're on a look, we're a lot
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smarter than apes, right?
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Than regular apes that are in most of us in the zoo.
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Oh boy.
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This is, this is where it's like, all right, they're not nothing.
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Nothing good is coming from this.
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Okay.
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So his Bible includes humans not being from earth.
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Well, there's prequels that we just haven't found yet.
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Oh, that could be.
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I don't know.
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That's fair.
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So Joe is trying to explain to Alex that you know, his, his view of things involves humans
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just being monkeys that have evolved and through our ability to manipulate technology, there's
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possibilities that we could find ways that we could elevate ourselves even higher.
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Sure.
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And as he says, free ourselves from our monkey bodies.
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Alex should throw something at you.
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Yeah.
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Alex is, Ooh, you're sitting there saying this will free us from our problems, but it's
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still humans that programmed the nexus points of it so it could actually amplify the problems.
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I say we should be wary of all of it.
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Oh, it certainly could.
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Look, it could go sideways.
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It could all go bad, but it also could go to a point where people don't feel the need
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to do that anymore and that we recognize that a lot of what we have is we are escaping the
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shackles of our monkey bodies.
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Oh, of course.
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Our monkey bodies.
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Yeah.
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Alex should throw a chair at him.
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You should call him a demon.
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Yep.
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You're trying to merge with machines.
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That's exactly what globalists want to say.
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That's exactly what globalists say.
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I talk about this all the time.
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That's a slippery slope trying to get rid of your monkey body.
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That's that you should start going on biblical level shit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're in league with the literal Christian devil.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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A hundred percent.
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Fuck off.
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This is just like, this section of the show is really kind of what I would describe as
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Joe trying to have a trite conversation with a uncooperative, barely paying attention scene
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partner.
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And it's not interesting at all.
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I don't get why you would think that, like, they, they still persist in this idea of Alex
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being a manly man, of having some kind of chauvinist, like elevated toxic masculinity,
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but that mascot is a good thing, you know?
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But at the same time, he's waffled on everything.
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He's hidden from everything.
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He interrupts you with divergences, like this is a man who is completely incapable of acting
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like anything that you would consider a stereotypical male trait, if you will.
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And he lacks the assertiveness or certainty of conviction.
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And he's licking Joe's boot.
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And that'll get worse as this goes on.
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Of course it will.
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So in, in this section where it's just kind of like a dumb conversation, Joe does ask
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Alex what he thinks aliens are.
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Okay.
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What do you think aliens are?
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Murder hornets?
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There are all sorts of interdimensional forces in the universe and multidimensions.
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So there's like bad aliens that are trying to manipulate our development, because a high
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level, exactly a high level would not try to manipulate our development.
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Right.
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Okay.
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So, so Joe is like imprinting on these demons because he loves them.
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He's a bad person.
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No, no, seriously.
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So all I'm saying is, is we need to build towards the next level and do amazing things.
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What do you think of the, what do you think of the, and I did invite myself on the election
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show.
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It's going to be great.
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I got on my news in front of Joe.
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I'll do it again right now.
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What do you think?
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Stop making it about you.
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No, it is about me.
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I'm in front of Ganesh.
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I want to come on.
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Yes.
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We're going to ban you from alcohol.
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What do you think?
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You're going to smoke weed with me.
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What do you think about, we're going to have a party.
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I will definitely do that on November 3rd.
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I'll be here two minutes.
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What do you think about the theory?
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The question was, what do you think aliens are?
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One air hole.
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Well, Jordan, you might want to give him back another air hole.
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Give him back, is he going to earn an air hole back?
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Well, maybe because unlike Ponce de Leon who claimed to have found the fountain of youth,
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Alex actually does have the secret to immortality.
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Okay.
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Of course he does.
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God doesn't know where God came from.
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Whoa.
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And we said that last time.
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Don't say whoa.
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And we don't know where we came from.
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Don't say whoa.
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We have archetypal memories that go so far.
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And then our big fear is have an evolutionary death of the species.
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It's like a line of, you know, flowers or plants or, you know, whatever we are.
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And it's a whole genetic experience.
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We're conscious individuals, but then we have a genetic experience that goes on forever
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as long as the line of the genetic experience doesn't die.
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So we're always looking for eternal life.
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As long as we keep having kids, they have kids, we live forever.
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That's us.
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We just get better.
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Okay.
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So if you have kids, you're immortal.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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That sounds, that sounds right.
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Great.
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Great.
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Good work, dude.
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So I think, whoa, sensibly, Joe hears that and he's like, all right, we're done.
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All right, but before this goes any further off the rails, I think we're good.
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We've done it.
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Oh, you want to end this transmission?
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Do you?
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I never got to all my notes.
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You got more shit?
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What else would you like to talk about?
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I got more shit than you can fucking imagine.
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Joe, let him know.
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Alex really wants to break records.
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He wants to break Elon Musk's traffic record.
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He wants to break his own length record.
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Joe say goodbye.
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Let's do another.
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Say goodnight.
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Say goodnight.
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Let's do another hour.
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Let's do another hour.
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Say goodnight.
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Say goodnight.
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We got to go another hour.
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It is dead.
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This is going to be bigger than the Elon Musk.
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That's the second biggest podcast.
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Every listener has to spread this link right now or I'm going to die.
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Well, YouTube.
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Yikes.
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Oh, if only that were true.
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So Alex is talking to Joe about like whatever and he's like, oh, this studio is temporary.
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You need a new studio.
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So this is a very rare studio.
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You're getting a new one ready.
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I know.
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Yeah.
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We're both.
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We're having problems finding a good location, but yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll have my house.
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I got a huge area.
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We're going to find a good spot.
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It's amazing.
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We're looking right now.
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We're in the process.
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All right.
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Let's get serious.
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Okay.
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Oh, I covered a lot of those.
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Alex, we're good, man.
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We're good.
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No, we have to go another two hours.
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We're going to see you again in a week.
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I am on the night like this.
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Relax.
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Yeah.
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I have to beg.
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How about I just beg a little bit?
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You don't have to.
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Come on, man.
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I'm not below believing.
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Is there anything else you really want to discuss?
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No.
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I mean, I'm glad that Jamie is better than I am at first.
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Take no for an answer.
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I'm really good at it.
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He's better than I am, which is almost no one is.
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I'm really good at searching for things.
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Jamie's better.
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Oh, God.
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So then Alex does his normal thing of like, I'm going to tell you the big secret.
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Yeah.
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This is the most important.
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Yeah.
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This is the most important thing.
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Lean in real close.
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You don't want to hear this big secret.
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And so then he goes anti-vax on them.
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Oh.
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And so they admit on the news that 100% of people that take these are getting sick.
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20% are going to the hospital.
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And so they also have vaccines that are called behavior modification vaccines.
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You can type it in.
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Okay.
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But let me pause right there.
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M RNA vaccines.
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You said 100% of them get sick and 20% of them go to the hospital.
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They had two studies in one study, 100% got sick, 20% with the hospital, another study,
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80% got sick.
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And of those 20% with the hospital, that CBS news, you type in Jamie's going to find that
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right now.
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Bill Gates grilled over, over vaccine dangers, you'll have CBS news reporting it, but the
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point is they admit a bunch of vaccine deaths have happened now from a test.
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So they keep moving forward.
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We don't get a, we want a citation on this, but we don't have time.
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We just said goodbye to our last air hole.
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It just went out the window, just off into the distance.
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It's gone.
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I don't know how a hole disappears through a window.
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It's amazing.
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Mysterious.
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Yeah.
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They talk about vaccines, dangers, and Alex brings up that like there's polio that's caused
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by polio vaccines.
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And then Joe Googles that or Jamie does.
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And they're shocked to find out that, Oh God, no, please.
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UN says new polio outbreak in Sudan was caused by oral vaccine.
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Yeah.
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Whoa.
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It's not good.
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The polio outbreak in Sudan is caused by oral vaccine.
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And this look at that kid's face.
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Oh my God.
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Is that a terrifying image?
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The image of them distributing that look at that poor kid's face.
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Imagine that kid getting polio from that vaccine.
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They're just, he looks so terrified.
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Oh my God.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's tragic.
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This is Joe reading a headline that seems to validate Alex's anti-vax narrative, but
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only does so if you don't understand the context of what's being discussed.
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We've talked about this in depth in the past, but when they say there are vaccine derived
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cases of polio, they aren't saying that someone got the polio vaccine and it gave them polio.
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That's how it sounds, but the term means something else.
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This generally refers to a phenomenon that occurs in under vaccinated communities.
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If you get this vaccine that's derived from a live virus, you may have a small chance
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of spreading that virus, even though it's weakened and it won't get people sick or is
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badly sick.
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If everyone around you is vaccinated, it's no big deal since they'll all be protected
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from the virus and it'll just fizzle out.
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The problem comes in when there's a high percentage of unvaccinated in the community because these
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people can just pass the virus back and forth among each other and the longer the virus
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has to replicate, the higher the chance it could mutate into a version of the illness
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that can really hurt people and get them sick.
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The conversation about vaccine derived illness is actually one that supports the community
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immunization, but the words are easy to confuse.
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If you just read something out of context, like a headline.
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For someone like Joe, who's been hitting the whole maybe this is out of context drum this
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whole episode, you'd think maybe he'd ask himself what this headline he's reading means.
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Joe, you coulda ended the show.
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Shoulda.
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Shoulda ended the fucking show.
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So now Alex has seemingly won Joe over with the dangers of vaccines.
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Oh, look at how awful that kid looks.
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That's such an emotional image.
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Joe, if it's an emotional image, maybe.
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But here's where it gets like really sad.
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Maybe use your intellect.
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Now, I think Alex feels like he has a win.
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Of course.
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And he, you know, the bad taste of that lockstep embarrassment is out of his mouth and so now.
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Now we got a swing for the fences.
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I wish, the last thing I want to say is this, I'd like to retire the next year.
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I'd like to finish up my work, clean up mistakes I made, talk about other stuff.
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It's gonna take you more than a year to clean up the mistakes you've made.
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If you're sincere about that, you got another 26 years ahead of you.
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Yeah, no shit.
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At least.
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Ugh.
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So Alex is like, ugh, it's worked so much.
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It's worked so much.
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On what?
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I'm in and out of a heart attack.
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I'm going crazy.
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I do this 18 hours a day.
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I'd like to get you in shape.
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I'm totally stressed out, Joe.
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I'm dying.
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I know you are.
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I'm dying.
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I literally do this stuff constantly.
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I read thousands of articles a day.
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I know you do.
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If I text you at 3 o'clock in the morning, you respond right back.
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You're wide awake.
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I'm not a victim.
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I'm just telling you, I'm dying.
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I understand.
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I can't do this much longer, and I want everybody to know I love my crew, but I told them I can't
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keep running this operation.
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I just want to tell the truth, and I want to get out in the next year.
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It doesn't mean I won't go on your show once a year and do like a write a book or something,
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but I'm done.
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I want you to get healthy.
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I need to get healthy.
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I try to get healthy.
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Why don't you hire a trainer and hire a dietitian?
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Why don't you go to a psychiatrist?
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This all makes me really sad.
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Like the ending of the show, Alex has drank half a bottle of whiskey.
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Oh, man.
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He tried to end it.
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It didn't work.
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And now we're talking about Alex needing to get in shape because he's going to die living
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the way he does on his show.
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Jesus.
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It's just like this isn't comfortable.
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Should have ended the show.
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Yeah.
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And then we get this, Joe has a revelation that Alex does not want to talk about, but
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it actually makes things make a bit more sense.
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You were talking to me about Adderall too.
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You're the problem.
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I want you to talk about that because that's a good thing for people to hear that the problems
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that you had with Adderall, because that shit scares the fuck out of me.
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Well, I'm not going to get into any of that type of stuff.
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The point is that the things that doctors push and things that go on, the whole country
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is drugged up on a bunch of stuff.
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That makes a lot of sense.
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If you look at a lot of the behaviors that Alex manifests, the idea that he's abusing
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Adderall or some kind of other stimulant, I mean, it just, it checks off a lot of boxes.
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I would never speculate about that and I think it's a little bit weird.
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For us even, it might be a little bit across the line, but I mean, it's something Joe brought
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up and I honestly do agree with Joe that it is something that would be good to talk about
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because there are a lot of people who have had trouble.
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And yeah, I think that stimulant abuse might be very, it would make a lot of sense for
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how drastically his shows changed over the couple of years.
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It's not, I mean, there's the influences that are sort of intellectual that are like these
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insidious influences of Steve Pachannik, Roger Stone, and a bunch of these weirdos and recognizing
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that Trump is an opportunity, also probably not thinking that Trump was going to win and
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thinking you could Ron Paul him.
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But a lot of the behavioral stuff really does sort of fit what you might expect with Adderall
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abuse.
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And I mean, Joe was talking about it, that as a past thing, I should hope that, I hope
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that is the case.
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Yeah, that would be nice.
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It's just a bummer.
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Anyway, Alex only drinks because he has to work so hard.
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Sure.
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But I'm not, I do caffeine and alcohol, that's it.
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And it's all very, very destructive.
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And you know, it gets to the point where like you're exhausted unless you drink and it's
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not a good thing.
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That's why I'm glad you sober in October, last October, I was sober.
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Yeah.
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Do you think you could just kick it totally?
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I mean, you kicked it for four months.
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Do you think if I wasn't doing a show every day and having to read, I mean, I'm not exaggerating.
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I read 50 articles, I probably scan a 500.
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I mean, I look at so much stuff that it's, it's enslaving me like I, I just want to,
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I don't want to be around it anymore.
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It's not like I'm scared of it.
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I'm just, I want to be something else.
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It's negative.
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It has negative consequences on your health.
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Yeah.
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So, so for me, I just want to get away from all of it.
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And what do you want to do?
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I'd love to go hunting and fishing and through liking and oil painting and doing sculpture.
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I love metal sculptures.
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I love that.
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That's a beautiful chimpanzee skull.
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You're out there.
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What the fuck is happening?
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This is just a, this is.
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You do not get to do that.
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No.
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Alex, you spent the last 30 years destroying the fucking world.
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You don't get to just require, just retire to a fucking life of hunting and fishing and
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oil painting.
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Go fuck yourself.
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Hitler does not get to become a painter afterwards.
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Hitler does not.
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I mean, George W. Bush should be in the fucking Hague.
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I don't understand why he's allowed to paint.
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Right.
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Fuck me.
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Yeah.
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It's a, I just want to, I just want to make sculptures of monkey skulls and metal and
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yeah.
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Metal sculpture, go fuck yourself.
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So I think that over the course of this episode, you saw some really interesting attempts on
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Joe's part to call for citations.
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Sure.
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The things that Alex is saying.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They all fizzled out entirely.
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Yeah.
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Alex drank half a bottle of whiskey and I mean, to his credit, he should be way drunker
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than this.
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He drank a lot.
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Half a bottle is a chunk.
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Uh huh.
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I usually don't walk.
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I think he comported.
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I usually don't walk after half a bottle.
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I think he comported himself quite well considering.
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Fairly well.
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Fairly well.
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We'll give him that.
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He's a drinker.
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He's a drinker.
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Way worse, uh, given, given the circumstances.
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Oh yeah.
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Um, but then I, I really think the, you can't use Bill Maher as an example and the lockstep
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thing are complete puncturing of the illusion that Alex knows what he's talking about or
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that he does anything.
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Then at the end here, he's getting really sad saying he wants to quit.
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Joe's talking about like him being a secretly taking Adderall and also I drink because I
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work too hard.
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I want to quit and like maybe hunt and fish.
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Go fuck yourself.
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It's a, it's, it's very not great as a whole.
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I think Alex comes off very poorly.
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Yeah.
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Joe disagrees.
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But I appreciate you being here.
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It was everything I hoped it would be.
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Of course.
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Yeah.
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Good.
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This was a great one, Alex.
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I think people got to see a side of you that they maybe even didn't see in the other two
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podcasts.
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You know, I think you did a great account of yourself and I think you really think so.
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Yeah.
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I do not agree that could you save that quote forever?
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What?
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This is everything I hoped it would be.
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I would like that one to stay right there forever.
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I would like Joe Rogan to have to live with my Alex Jones podcast was everything I hoped
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it would be.
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If it was everything you hoped it would be, then you have an interesting set of hopes.
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Yeah.
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This show was not good.
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I really hoped that I would come off okay.
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Yeah.
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And that he would be allowed to spread his bullshit to millions of people.
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I hope that I would come off as performatively curious and at the same time also sandbagging
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of Alex.
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Totally.
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Uh, I, I, I, I want to come off as like a pig who likes to roll around in the mud but
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doesn't actually want to.
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Yeah.
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The top half of the pig doesn't get dirty.
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All these other pigs, they just roll around in it.
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My legs sure are covered in mud, but I would never allow my face to get in there.
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If in his subsequent episodes he came out and said, this was everything I wanted it
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to be because I believe that it fully encapsulates.
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If you have an understanding of what Alex believes, what he puts into the world, how
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he communicates, this episode is all you need to decode that he doesn't know shit.
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100%.
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He doesn't know anything about these topics that he's talking about and all of the sources
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that he tries to rely on are misinterpretations or completely made up.
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He also is too much of a coward to ever admit any of this stuff.
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So when confronted to by a friend, he will lie to your friend, his friend's face in order
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to wiggle out of trouble.
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I think that if he said that and then said, fuck this dude, I don't associate with him
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anymore.
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Then, then congratulations, you have pulled off something fantastic, but if you continue
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to associate with him and there's no consequences for the clear demonstrations of bullshit that
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Alex did here, then you're an active participant in it.
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You got it.
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And that's sad.
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Go fuck yourself.
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So we sign off with this clip.
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We did it.
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We did it.
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We did it.
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All right.
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We did three and a half hours.
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Something like that.
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Yes.
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And to infinity and beyond.
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Band.video.
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Don't visit it.
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Band.video.
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Bye everybody.
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Thank you.
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I hope this was everything you hoped it would be.
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Yeah.
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Guys, congratulations on sponsoring this nonsense.
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Thanks Tushy.
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Making, making this possible.
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Yeah.
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I think it's really interesting that in the aftermath of this episode coming out, there
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was some backlash and understandably, there's a lot of dumb shit.
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There's stuff that's just like, you know, harmlessly dumb shit.
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Like William Colby was murdered or Robert Maxwell was murdered.
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Sure.
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Like those are just like, ah, true crime.
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Hey, let's have fun.
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But there's damaging stuff.
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The anti-vax narratives that Joe Rogan does not do a responsible job of pushing back against.
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Climate change.
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Sure.
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That's huge.
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Huge.
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And a lot of the, like the ways that Joe could be useful in helping push back against the
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satanic panic that is absorbing people right now, I think that there is actually very good
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cause for people to be like, what the fuck are you doing?
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And the backlash could, I don't know, I've seen headlines going around that people are
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wanting to cancel their Spotify accounts and then the episode disappeared from Spotify.
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And then now today, just before we were recording, see, I see another headline that, oh, it was
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a tech glitch.
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And apparently the episode is back up now on Spotify.
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So I don't know what's going on with this.
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Tucker Carlson lost those pages.
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They were in the mail, Dan, and he just lost them.
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Where did they go anyway?
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Sure.
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It was proof of everything, but you can just trust me.
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I'm not following that story.
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I don't know what's going on with that.
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I don't, uh, we'll get to that later.
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Who cares?
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I don't know what's going on with the status of this, this episode, but I don't know.
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I'd be really, really hilarious.
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It'd be funny, it'd be funny for Spotify to take it down.
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Yeah.
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Like as a Spotify to take him down at well, a hundred millions mine now give us a hundred
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million dollars.
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They need to find a way.
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Oh, us.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I thought you'll be number one.
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If we had a hundred million dollars, I guarantee we'd be number one.
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I'd be putting bull billboards up.
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I'd be fucking going ape shit with this.
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I don't, I don't know.
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Terrible idea would be to give me a hundred million.
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I don't know what we would do that would be any different than what we would do as not
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rich people.
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I guess we'd smoke money instead.
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Maybe.
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I don't know.
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I think, uh, I think that, uh, I would, I would ask if Joe were listening, which he's
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not, I would ask that he engage in some reflection about some of the points that we've brought
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up about the tactics that he used to try to get to the bottom of some of Alex's stuff.
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They make sense.
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Those are the things that you would do if you were trying to figure out what someone's
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source on a certain thing was right with Alex.
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There isn't anything there and that's why you constantly end up with him trying to change
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the subject, jangling keys in front of people, obfuscating, creating false positions for
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you to have to own up to.
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That's why he does those things because he can't stand the possibility of you realizing
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that ultimately there isn't a source.
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There isn't anything behind anything that he's saying.
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And reflect on that and reflect on how you did the best you could maybe, maybe, and it
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still won't work.
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Yeah.
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So don't do this again.
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Don't do it.
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No.
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And if you do, just do a spectacle.
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Just have Eddie Bravo in there.
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Like just do it and be like, Oh, we're all going to get fucked up and say really dumb
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things.
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Like that's a pre-announced don't believe or care about anything we say.
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This is bananas fun.
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Don't take any of this shit seriously.
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Don't try and elevate any of this stuff because you end up with embarrassment.
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Now we're going to have an intellectual conversation on shit he made up between Joe Rogan, Tim
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Dillon, and Alex Jones.
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Great.
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I'm most likely to believe Tim Dillon and again, it's because I know the least about
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him.
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Anyway.
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Yeah.
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We're done.
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And now.
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To infinity!
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And beyond!
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I'm going to retire to my chambers, sleep for a week.
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And hunt and fish.
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This was a pain in the ass.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed.
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We will be back on Monday, but until then Jordan, we have a website.
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We do have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yes.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at knowledgeunderstoryfight.net.
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Go to bed Jordan.
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We're on Facebook.
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We are on Facebook.
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And if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people
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doing God's work.
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Indeed.
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We'll be back.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I'm Daryl Rundis.
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I wrote Operation Lockstep.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
