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Ladies and gentlemen, we have massive breaking news here dealing with the First Amendment in this country.
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If you look at the situation in Connecticut with the Sandy Hook shootings that were used to collectively put guilt on the American people
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and imply that gun owners collectively had murdered a bunch of little children in elementary school, you could see it was a psyop.
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It's come out that Bloomberg put out emails the day before saying get ready with our Twitter, with our media to have a big push against guns the next 24 hours.
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Very suspicious.
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Then you've got the local regional SWAT team people hiding out in the woods in the same outfits as the supposed shooter.
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You've got the whole story changing.
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The most incriminating is you've got the helicopter footage of the people with their hands up coming out of the school in the evacuation hours after it supposedly happened, going in circles in and out of the school.
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Going in circles.
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They've torn down the school now.
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They've declared state secrets on the photos, the video.
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There's weird Anderson Cooper video where he claims he's there on the ground at the town square and he turns bigger than Dallas and it's a green screen.
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He's shimmering around the edges.
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His nose disappears.
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You can see flowers and things blowing in the wind and then they do it again.
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It's the same footage being looped behind them.
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I mean, I don't know what happened there, but I know Anderson Cooper's admittedly a member of the Central Intelligence Agency and they send him out on the disinfo pieces.
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So all this stuff is these things that now Alex is like, well, yeah, I mean, of course it's not a blue screen.
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Of course, you know, when confronted with like, what is this footage?
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You say it's people walking.
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It's the students walking in circles like, well, yeah, I guess it's not.
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Like all of these things are things that he's now just like, of course, not standing by.
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Yeah, oh no.
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But all of this is very serious and very proven here in May 2014 as he's leading into this interview.
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And I mean, it's sad.
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I mean, yeah, sure. He was just having debates while saying that it was very true.
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Sure, seeing all sides.
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Yeah, seeing all sides of the thing that happened that didn't.
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And the other thing that he's doing in addition to establishing the talking points of Wolfgang Halbig
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before actually getting into the interview, which I mean, that gives him a cakewalk basically for this interview.
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He also, Alex does, he goes out of his way to establish credibility for Wolfgang
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in order to frame this interview as an intrepid investigator going out to dig out the truth
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as opposed to it being like, well, this guy has questions. Is there validity to them?
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That's not what he's doing. He's presenting him as a hero.
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He's not a kooky guy.
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And I haven't asked him this, but I bet him asking questions the last year,
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just looking at it and studying it, I bet he's lost a lot of business with the system.
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But he doesn't care.
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I'm guessing that's, I know how the system works.
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I don't know that. I'll ask him that in a minute.
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But he's the exact type of expert witness you want who goes against his own interest monetarily
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to go out and tell the truth.
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Now, here's the bombshell news.
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This is in discovery.com.
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Newtown school board shuts down conspiracy theorists.
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That's people that don't believe the official story of known liars.
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So that's, I mean, we got it again.
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He's not, he just doesn't believe the stories of true known liars.
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And he's just asking questions.
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Wolfgang Halbig and his crew were not just asking questions
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at that Newtown school board meeting in May 2014.
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They were going there as part of a rally for their Sandy Hook conspiracy nonsense.
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An article in the Connecticut Post describes the sort of behavior he was engaged in.
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Quote, a half hour before the meeting started,
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Halbig's followers rallied in front of the municipal center.
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One man dressed in a Revolutionary War era uniform
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waved a hanging effigy of Governor Daniel P. Malloy.
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That's the sort of shit they were doing.
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That doesn't sound exactly like just asking questions.
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No, no, no.
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I feel like asking questions is maybe just one step below hanging things in effigy.
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, even then, it's close.
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It's a close step.
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I don't think it's close.
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But it's still not there.
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The day prior, they dropped by the offices of the United Way of Western Connecticut,
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demanding records of how charity funds and donations had been used,
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only to be told that all that information is already public
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and they don't need to ask for it.
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You can just go find it very easily.
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I want to hear it from your mouth.
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Look me in the eyes when you lie to me.
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Interestingly, that article goes on to say, quote,
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seven members of the group, some carrying still and video cameras,
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then visited the offices of the News Times, asking to meet with a reporter.
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A News Times editor met with one member of the group
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who asked for a story about their visit to the United Way,
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but the request was denied.
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These people were engaged in a publicity stunt,
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and their actions pretty well spell that out.
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There's really no other explanation for asking a newspaper
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to write an article about how you went to the United Way
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demanding records you can easily find online.
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The same could be said of Halbig's appearance at the board meeting.
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The Connecticut Post describes his group of being about a dozen or so people
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who each got three minutes to ask questions of board members.
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They didn't get what they wanted out of the meeting.
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Quote, board members refused to take the bait,
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remaining silent through presentations by Halbig
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and several of his supporters who followed him to the microphone.
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The Connecticut Post describes the audience as, quote,
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respectful but thoroughly disgusted.
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The reality is that this was a mentally unwell man
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trying to pull off an explosive publicity stunt
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along with a small group of followers.
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But for someone like Alex, this is suspicious.
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This is stonewalling and probably evidence that there's a cover-up going on.
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According to the New York Magazine, after this school board meeting,
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Lenny Posner emailed Halbig requesting to talk.
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An associate sent a reply saying, quote,
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Wolfgang does not wish to speak with you unless you exhume Noah's body
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and prove to the world you lost your son.
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These are sick fucking people we're talking about.
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Uh, no.
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Yeah, I mean, I think that's an appropriate response.
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That's what I'm going to say to that.
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No, just no. Just go away for good.
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Also, an important point to bring up is that on May 9th, 2014,
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InfoWars released a special report recorded in Newtown.
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The video was InfoWars reporter Dan Badandi, also known as the Kraken,
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interviewing Wolfgang Halbig outside the school board meeting.
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It's unclear if the video they show of Wolfgang addressing the board
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was actually shot by Badandi himself,
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but it's presented with an InfoWars watermark,
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and the camera work is not good.
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So it seems like it's a possibility.
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Yeah, this is an important point.
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Wolfgang Halbig was trying to drum up publicity.
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He and his group tried to get the news times to cover their activities,
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and no one took the bait.
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He tried to antagonize the school board members,
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and they only gave him respectfully silent disgust.
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But InfoWars was not only happy to cover his filthy shit, they were there.
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Without this amplification, this probably would have just been
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an asshole asking questions at a meeting to a disapproving audience.
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Dan Badandi, who Alex has repeatedly described as an employee,
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and someone Alex sends on assignments,
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who's using an InfoWars mic for the interview,
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who clearly identifies himself as an InfoWars reporter in his sign-off,
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is going out of his way to make this a story.
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They're working hard to frame this as a heroic, intrepid investigator
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running up into a conspiratorial stonewall in the form of this board meeting.
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The point is, this is not reporting.
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This is not hearing both sides of an issue.
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This is a group, InfoWars, masquerading as a news outlet
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in service of helping people like Wolfgang Halbig disseminate their theories.
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This is clear behavior at this point.
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This is like a live broadcast version of Project Veritas.
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They go in, they fuck up regular ass people's day,
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not doing anything but screwing them over in order to broadcast it and lie about it.
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So days before the episode that we're listening to now,
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they put out this special report where Dan Badandi was there with Wolfgang,
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and now Alex is reporting on the sort of drama surrounding Wolfgang
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not being allowed to quote-unquote ask questions at this board meeting.
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It's integrative. You can see the way that there's almost like
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Alex through Dan Badandi is causing trouble,
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and then now with the thin veneer of his sitting in the studio as a professional
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is talking about the fallout of it.
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It's ludicrous.
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Alex is covering Godzilla.
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Tokyo won't allow Godzilla in to ask them questions.
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What's suspicious going on here?
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I think we know.
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The Kraken.
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I think we know.
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So they talk about this trip to the United Way,
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and I think it's just fucking hilarious when you realize the dynamics.
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So here's the headline.
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School board shuts down conspiracy theorists.
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They've shot footage of this, and Wolfgang's making a documentary,
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but he said he'll send us the raw footage.
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As soon as it gets here, make copies on Memory Stick or whatever,
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we will get a special report out, because this needs to be seen,
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of them being shut down at the school board,
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then trying to go to United Way and others.
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So you understand what's going on here.
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Wolfgang and his group tried to get a real newspaper to cover their trip to the United Way,
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and they said, fuck no.
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No, absolutely not.
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This is stupid.
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He tells Alex, and Alex is like, oh my God, this is red meat.
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Of course, yes, let's do this.
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Why didn't he go to Alex first?
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I mean, he probably talked to Badandi while he was there.
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I'm sure there was a plan to do both.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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You just see the varying standards by which people work.
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The news times, no, get out of here.
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This is nothing.
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Alex, this is the biggest deal in the world.
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We could make coin off it.
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Yeah, if you're Halbig, though, you're thinking,
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well, I've already got Alex on the back burner for sure,
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so why not take a shot at a real...
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I was one of the best of the year interviews.
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Why not take a shot at a real news outlet?
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Yeah.
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Gotcha.
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So Halbig gets to talk, and he expresses that he doesn't want to be doing this.
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Yes, he does.
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Of course he does.
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But he gives sort of a crystallizing moment of why he's on the war path.
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I think it's important that every listener clearly understands that,
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do I want to be doing this?
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Absolutely not.
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I'm retired.
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I mean, I got my AAP card.
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Had these police officers, had the homicide investigators not come to my home a week before Christmas,
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Newtown would have never heard of Wolfgang Halbig.
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Nobody would have ever heard of me because, you know, as a national school safety consultant...
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Can we go back to that time?
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He simply was sending a FOIA request, Connecticut Freedom of Information request,
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asking simple questions that's not offensive to any of those parents who supposedly lost a child.
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Wow!
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This is interesting.
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And honestly, if I were Alex and I heard that,
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I would take it as a sign that maybe Wolfgang is a little overly personally involved here.
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Could be.
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Sounds like he's mad about the police showing up at his house.
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Police showed up at my house,
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so now I am going to dedicate my life to harassing victims of a tragedy.
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Yeah.
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He's saying that if the police hadn't knocked on his door,
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he wouldn't have gone on this investigation.
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Alex can hear that and think,
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yeah, all he was doing was sending out legal and legitimate FOIA requests and the police show up.
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That's a clear sign.
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They want to silence him.
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However, that is not the reality.
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According to a piece in the New York magazine Intelligencer,
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two Florida police officers paid a visit to Halbig to,
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quote, relay a message from police in Connecticut that he risked being charged with harassment
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if he continued contacting people in Newtown.
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This was not the result of him sending out FOIA requests.
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It was because he was doing things like sending Sally Cox,
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the school nurse at Sandy Hook,
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who survived the shooting by hiding in a closet,
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a message saying,
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quote, why close your eyes when you've seen blood before?
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You are a nurse.
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By any standard,
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that sort of message being sent by a complete stranger
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who's bent on denying a deeply traumatic event that you lived through,
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that counts as harassment.
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So by my metrics,
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Wolfgang is super lucky that he just got a polite visit with a warning from the police.
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But optics are everything.
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So this visit from the police,
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you know, it played a big role in legitimizing Wolfgang in the eyes of the conspiracy world.
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His work is so dangerous that they're sending cops in to intimidate him.
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It's such bullshit,
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but that's the way this stuff works.
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And Alex is buying into it completely.
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Does he not know what a FOIA request is?
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Does he think that a FOIA request is just like,
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as long as you say FOIA at the top of it,
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like, dear FOIA,
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and then you tell the nurse that she's seen blood before and she's lying.
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So like, just like with United Way,
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he's like, dear FOIA, United Way,
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you send me these fucking documents or I'll kill you.
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I think he doesn't recognize that there is like a process and rules with FOIA
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and he thinks it means that I have a free access to all information.
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I think that is what he means, doesn't it?
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There is a freedom of information, so all information must be given to me.
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Yeah, exactly.
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If I asked for it.
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Right.
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That might be the misunderstanding.
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That makes more sense.
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Yeah.
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So how big is convinced that the United Way is skimming money
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because they wouldn't talk to him when he went to visit or something?
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And so that's kind of a big part of this conspiracy
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is that people are getting rich by skimming money.
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Right.
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And so he talks about that a little bit here.
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That's not fair, because that's probably true for literally everything.
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Well, I don't care too much about that rebuttal that you're making
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because it leads somewhere deeply disturbing.
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And here's him sort of laying some track.
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And it's important to point out that Alex not only doesn't push back on this,
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he kind of supports it.
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And I think when you look at the amount of money
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that has been poured into Sandy Hook and Newtown
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because of this incident,
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it all starts at the United Way, Western Connecticut,
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who actually, I mean, you saw it advertised three days before the shooting.
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They were looking to solicit money three days before the shooting.
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And I think the big red flag is the Connecticut attorney general's report on his findings.
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We're going to talk about that, Wolfgang.
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Stay there.
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Yeah.
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And Bloomberg, this was in the news.
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He false started it the day before as well.
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I mean, they were licking their lips.
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We'll be right back.
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This is hardcore information. This could bring them down, folks.
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This is hardcore information. This isn't opinion.
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This isn't just discussing.
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No, we're not.
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This is hardcore information.
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This is not a debate. This is hardcore information.
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It's also not true.
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No, that is an issue.
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Yeah.
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As far as information goes, that would make it more hardcore, I suppose, than true information.
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If it's fake?
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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So the United Way is up to no good, according to Hal Begg here.
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And he gets into a specific about it.
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And this is particularly disgusting on his part.
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Why are you saying United Way is so important?
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I mean, one of the big smoking guns, because I know you're inside this investigation, but for folks out there, what are the red flags?
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Well, the red flags is that you're looking at $29 million.
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You've got the United Way, Sandy Hook Promise, and there are 39 other community nonprofit organizations within Newtown, which received a lot of funds.
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For an example, the animal shelter in Newtown, Sandy Hook.
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Alex, they got $450,000 from the Sandy Hook shooting.
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Now, what does an animal shelter have to do with the Sandy Hook shooting?
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I understand.
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You're saying the motive for the locals to go along with the fraud is money.
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Absolutely.
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I get that.
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Absolutely.
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If Wolfgang Hal Begg or Alex Jones were sincere actors in this, they would point out that the reason some Sandy Hook-related donations went to an animal sanctuary is because it was being built in the memory of one of the children
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who died in the shooting.
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From an MNN article published on January 24, 2013, long before this episode, quote,
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The family of one of the students killed during the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting is asking people to donate money to build a new animal sanctuary in her name.
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Jenny and Matt Hubbard's daughter, Catherine, died in the shooting and was very passionate about animals, so they decided a good way to honor her memory was to create an animal rescue and welfare center in her name.
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The reason that the money may have flowed through the animal center, the existing animal organization in Newtown, is that they were associated with the project.
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They had an infrastructure, but they didn't have a shelter, which was part of this Hubbard plan, something it was meant to help with.
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The VP, the vice president of the animal center, Harmony Verna, made a statement, saying, quote,
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This sanctuary will be a place where neglected, abused, or homeless animals can get a second chance at life.
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A place for children and adults to connect with animals in the natural world.
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Animals have an amazing capacity to love and heal the human spirit. We hope Catherine will think it's the most beautiful place on earth.
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In 2014, Connecticut conveyed some land across 34 acres to be the home for this new animal sanctuary, which is continuing construction to this point in present day.
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It's a huge project, so that's not really particularly surprising that it hasn't fully been completed yet.
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There's no reason for Wolfgang Halbig to not know this stuff, and Alex has a responsibility to not passively let this dude lie about grieving parents trying to memorialize their daughter with an animal sanctuary.
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Fuck both of these dudes. This is super irresponsible.
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Yeah, man, it's been a while since we've done a 13, so when we were doing both of them back and forth, you know, I was acclimated to two different types of monsters.
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Two different kinds of awful.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then I kind of let that 2013 go after a while. We haven't done it, and now I'm right back to it, and it's like, Jesus, how many different ways can you be a disgusting monster?
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Yeah, yeah.
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You can't be in the present and be like, oh, this disgusting monster is doing shit like that, and then go in the past and find a completely different level of disgusting.
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He's just bad. He's a bad dude.
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He's a bad person. He needs to be stopped.
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Wolfgang Halbig has absolutely no excuse to present this information this way. There is a very easy, accessible explanation for why an animal sanctuary is getting some of the Sandy Hook donations.
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That makes total sense. He has a responsibility to know it, and the fact that he doesn't, and presents himself as an investigator, that leads me to the conclusion that he's consciously omitting this information, or I guess the other option is lying, and those are the same.
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Yeah, and if you were a former state cop, I believe you're doing both at all the time.
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For Alex, he doesn't work that hard, so the fact that he doesn't know this and doesn't have this information ready to rebut Wolfgang is unfortunate. He should. He should know this.
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I don't think he would use that information either way.
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Probably not. It's less an indication that Alex is lying, and more an indication that he's not equipped to have these conversations, unless the point of the conversation is to passively allow a liar to lie to your audience and help them.
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For money.
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It seems to be more what's going on here than hearing both sides, and it's like, okay, yes, if you hear both sides of something, and one of them is a lie, and then you don't actually even really hear the other side, then what are you doing?
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It's not hearing both sides.
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You know, I mean, if one side... I got nothing for this one, man. He's a fucking bad dude.
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Yeah. So I posit that if you listen to this full interview, one of the things that you'll walk away with is kind of that conclusion, that this is not hearing him out. This is not asking questions.
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It is Alex trying to direct Wolfgang in such a way that the talking points that are desired to get out got out clearly.
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Bottom line, there was a stand down, and you've blueprinted all that out on your website, but I saw it happen. What about the kids going in circles, back and forth, the same people, into the school for the helicopters? It looked like a fake drill.
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What about the guy in the woods that got picked up in the same outfit who was part of the anti-terror team? What about... I mean, just go through those points.
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Well, yeah, okay. I'm glad you should remind... I mean, I'm trying to stay focused.
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So what you have is Alex trying to serve up. These are the talking points that are kind of safe for the audience at this point, so why don't you build from there?
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Build your credibility and rapport with the audience on these topics and points that we've all become accustomed to.
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Don't make the water too hot yet. There's that kind of a vibe. Get with the program. It's not like he's checking Wolfgang or anything like that, but what he's doing is there's a way to present this shit, and this is the way to do it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is LeBron and Anthony Davis in a pick and roll. It's an alley-oop that's going to wind up slammed up. Yeah, it's collaborative in nature. So Alex... Oh, God. I hate this. I hate this clip more than I hate many other things.
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Yeah, it's because the reality in the world... You know, the real one? The shit pile that we call the reality? Yeah. Is that Wolfgang's behavior is causing a lot of damage, emotional and otherwise, to come to the survivors and victims' families of the shooting.
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In this clip, Alex allows Wolfgang to complain that he is being threatened, and he allows Wolfgang to present himself as the victim in this entire situation.
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I mean, I'm getting threats all the time. I got some crazy people out there. They're attacking my wife. They're attacking me and everything else, but you know what? All they have to do is answer 16 simple questions you and I wouldn't even be talking today. It's unheard of, okay?
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Wolfgang Halbeg hid his harassment behind this thin veneer of having 16 supposedly unanswered questions, which, if answered, he'd shut up. Naturally, some of the questions are unanswerable, or meaningless, or already answered, or perhaps most relevantly, none of his fucking business.
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Question 12, for example, is, quote, Why did the parents of two children who died at the Danbury hospital not allow their children to donate their organs to other children waiting for the gift of life? Go fuck yourself.
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Yeah, that's a good one.
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If that's one of the questions that makes your top 16 that you base this conspiracy on. Sure, organ donation is a great thing, but it's a choice. I have no idea if these parents did or did not donate their children's organs.
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I didn't look into it because, honestly, I don't think I have any right to know that, nor do I think it has any relevance here. The question is meant to imply that these kids did not exist to begin with, which is why their parents couldn't donate their organs.
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This is not a good faith question. It's an insinuation. It's an accusation, and no answer would ever satisfy someone like Halbeg.
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Imagine these parents saying something like, We didn't want to make that decision on behalf of our child. Organ donation is an individual's choice, and we didn't know what their wishes would have been.
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Do you think Halbeg would stop asking the question at that point? Because I think he fucking wouldn't.
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No, I don't think he would stop.
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Probably not.
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That's very doubtful. That very reasonable explanation would probably not satisfy him.
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To be clear, I made up that explanation. I have no idea what the parents did.
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No, that's what I'm saying.
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It doesn't matter. The explanation could just be like, Hey, man, we were in a fucking daze. How about go fuck yourself? How about that? Why didn't all this shit happen? Because what do you think?
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Any answer is not going to satisfy. The answers are the excuse for the behavior.
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Question number 13 is, What happened to the 500 children and 60 school staff members from Sandy Hook Elementary on December 14, 2012?
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That's an insanely broad question with approximately 560 different answers.
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If he actually cared, there's plenty of accounts that you can find regarding people's experiences that day, but he does not care. That's the point.
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These questions were a shield that Wolfgang Halbeg used to deflect criticisms that his behavior was repulsive.
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When he gets told that he's hurting people, he could just trot out this list of questions that no one will answer, and then he gets to continue pretending he's the heroic figure in this.
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This is what people do. Why don't I know what her favorite flavor of ice cream is, Dan?
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And then if you answer that, you're like, Well, why don't I know what her second favorite flavor of ice cream is?
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Why don't I know what her third favorite ice cream is? It doesn't matter. It's turtles all the way down. That's what it is.
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This is what you do. You engage in this harassment campaign where you're doing things like emailing the school nurse nonsense bullshit.
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Then people are like, Hey, why are you doing this? No one will answer my questions. That's what you do. It's a deflective defense mechanism.
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You see it on the part of these more, I don't know what the right word is. My mind alternates between out there and dangerous conspiracy types.
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That sort of behavior of if you just answer the question, I'll shut up. Now you won't answer the question, which justifies everything I do.
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It's sad.
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It's like the stand your ground defense for conspiracy theorists. It doesn't matter what you ask or what you do.
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It is always they're doing it on the defense. I'm only doing this in response to the attack that you have brought upon me.
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It's a good trick.
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Wolfgang starts disseminating some talking points about how the school was a toxic waste dump, which Alex would pick up later and definitely run with.
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When you look at the school itself, when you look at Sandy Hook, it is a filthy school. That's what I wanted to talk to the board members about.
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It is a toxic waste dump. When you look at the data, and here's what they didn't realize, they put it in their own newspaper before they demolished it.
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Sandy Hook had the highest level of lead paint throughout the entire school. Sandy Hook had the highest level of asbestos in the ceiling tiles and ceiling floors.
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It had the highest level of PCP and the groundwater is contaminated. Now here's the question. Connecticut law requires that every parent must be notified of those hazardous chemicals because they have serious health effects on children, which may not be seen until five years later.
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Now, why would any parent, why would those 18 of the 20 parents that moved into Newtown in 2009 enroll their child in a school with all those hazardous chemicals? Their parents just don't do that.
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That stuff is all bullshit, but what Wolfgang is pushing toward here is that these parents would never enroll their kids to go to a school like that, thus they must not have, thus there were no kids enrolled in Sandy Hook.
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In reality, you can find copies of the school's inspection reports from 2011, a year prior to the shooting, and learn that they were in compliance with the EPA's indoor air quality rules.
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Further, you can find that asbestos is listed as not a problem. The air quality is given a three on a scale of one to four. There's no evidence for any of the stuff that Alex is letting Wolfgang Halbig assert here. This is just really sloppy, horrible shit.
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Okay, I've got a solution. We can't restrict the speech. What we should do, you have to get a license if you want to go on public media. You got to get a license. Halbig, you got to get a license. Maybe it takes five minutes. Just answer a few simple questions. Maybe just one. Did Sandy Hook happen?
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The end, you get your license to go on TV or radio or whatever you want.
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To do my Alex impression, that would have a chilling effect.
Unknown Speaker (00:57:35.000)
Good. If it has a chilling effect on people who desperately in Sandy Hook.
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I would say this should be chilled.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So Alex asks point blank to Halbig, what do you believe happened? And Alex knows what Wolfgang believes happened.
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Yeah.
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So that's not a question.
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No.
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I would like you to tell my audience what happened.
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That is a setup for Halbig to say what he thinks happened. Now, while he's asking this question that he knows the answer to, he goes out of his way to salute and build up how great Wolfgang Halbig is, which you wouldn't do if you weren't trying to lend credibility to whatever answer you know he's going to give.
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What do you think really happened at Sandy Hook? People can see your 16 questions at SandyHookJustice.com and we just salute your will to go up there and have eight police cars block you the United Way and have them shut you down at the school board, at the commission.
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But bottom line, what do you as a almost 40 year investigator, police officer, you name it, what do you think is happening here?
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Well, until they answer those questions, I can tell you, children did not die. Teachers did not die on December 14, 2012.
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That's, I mean, you wouldn't do that unless you wanted that point to be made by someone you're presenting as credible, a hero, you salute his will. That's as good as Alex saying it himself.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
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So they get back to talking about the United Way and how evil it is.
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Sure.
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And things get a little silly.
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It is, and I hope nobody ever donates another dime to United Way until they answer every question.
Unknown Speaker (00:59:29.000)
Well, I mean, there's already been so many scandals about United Way. I mean, more than half the money goes to the executives.
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That's true, I just saw that one.
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I'll tell you, a good charity is the Salvation Army. Are they involved in any way locally up there?
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Are you ready? The Salvation Army is not even one of the 39 nonprofits listed.
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They're not even an army.
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Because they're a good organization, as you just mentioned. They're not involved.
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That's right. It's always the same players.
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It's the same players.
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I don't want to go off on a jag here speculating about why someone like Alex might be in favor of the Salvation Army, but I think it might be an easy puzzle if you want to put that together yourself.
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Instead, I would prefer to read to you from an article published on December 19th, 2012, just five days after the shooting.
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Quote, the Salvation Army, being part of the community, has provided food and support to the people of Newtown, Connecticut, after 26 people, including 20 children, lost their lives in a gun attack at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
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This article is posted on the Salvation Army's website.
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They sent out mobile food units, they held services, they had a representative who appeared with President Obama at a vigil for the victims.
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They even honored the victims at that year's world record bell ringing, where after ringing those bells of theirs for 80 hours straight, they held a, quote, 27-minute-long moment of silent ringing to recognize each of those lost that day.
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Anyway, I have no idea what these assholes mean by not involved, so I'm just going to put my two cents in here and say the Salvation Army was very involved in the response to Sandy Hook.
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These guys are just talking shit.
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There's just no reality.
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There's just no accepted reality.
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We just can't win.
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Nope. It doesn't matter.
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God damn it.
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Yeah.
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So the interview ends, and Wolfgang is trying to sew some sort of conspiratorial nature to an event that happened, and that is that one police station phoned another police station and was like, hey, Wolfgang and his guys are coming around, which I don't think is suspicious at all.
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I think if I were a cop, I'd probably do that too.
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Yeah.
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But it ends without-
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It's either that or fly out yourself.
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Right.
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One of those is cheap.
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Yeah.
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So it also ends with Alex praising Wolfgang.
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The thing is, too, when we traveled from Danbury over to the Newtown Police Department to meet with the police chief, Mike Kehoe, Danbury had already notified the police chief and Newtown that we were coming.
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I mean, this is just unbelievable.
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Oh, they're all working together.
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It's a cover-up, no doubt.
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Well, they better watch it.
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Listen, we're going to come back and play the report that we put together, and it's got your comments, powerful information to the school board.
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Thank you for the work that you're doing.
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Sir, we'll continue to track everything you're up to, and God bless you.
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Okay.
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Thank you, Alex.
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You bet.
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There goes Wolfgang Halbig, ladies and gentlemen, and we've got his website up on screen for radio listeners, though it's just really important for you to go and visit the site, and we'll put that site again back up on screen.
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It's really important that you go visit that.
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So Alex goes to - he gets done with the interview with Halbig, and he starts ruminating on the nature of Sandy Hook a little bit, and I think you'll see some familiarity here in terms of Alex's tone.
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He's doing a bit of hedging while still at the same time being like, shit's fake.
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I mean, it's fake.
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Blue screens, it's fake.
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Again, we don't know what's going on.
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He goes further and says it's just completely fake.
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I don't know.
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You've got parents laughing, going, ha ha ha, watch this, and then going, oh, method acting, oh, oh, oh, oh.
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I mean, it's just ridiculous.
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You've got coroners that start laughing, and I don't mean uncomfortably.
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I mean, like, laughing with the state police when they're giving press conferences.
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I mean, it just is the fakest thing since the $3 bill.
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Fakest thing since the $3 bill.
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Okay.
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Real quick question.
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If he is saying, well, we don't know what happened, then that means he believes there's a possibility that people did die.
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Right.
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Right?
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So he is mocking somebody's tears with the possibility that they are real.
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Right.
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Don't you think if you thought there was a possibility that it was somebody who had died, the last thing you would do is make fun of the way they cry?
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Even if that was a 1% chance.
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I probably would err on the side of not doing that.
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Even if it was a 1% chance that it was real.
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Yeah.
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You still wouldn't make fun of their tragedy.
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Probably not.
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Right?
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Probably not.
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So chances are the only way you would do that is if you were 100% sure that it was fake.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Or you're a psychopath.
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One of the two.
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Yeah.
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And one of the things like listening to this interview really crystallized for me is that
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like after he gets done talking with Halbig, he sounds fairly similar to how he was in most of the time that we're listening to him in 2013.
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Yeah.
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He's like, this is all fake.
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Shit's fake.
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It's fake.
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Now who knows what happened?
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We don't know what happened.
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It's fake.
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It's fake.
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But there is not really a discernible difference between this behavior that I find incredibly
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abhorrent in terms of him helping and pushing Wolfgang's narratives and how Alex was almost
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the entire time.
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In the same way that I realized how little it mattered the specific day he first uttered
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their actors, it doesn't matter if he's literally saying X.
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If all of his behavior is pointing people intentionally towards X.
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Right.
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And I think that he's been doing that pretty consistently through his coverage.
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So yeah, I suppose if the practical effects of what you're saying are identical to the
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practical effects of what people are accusing you of saying, it doesn't really matter.
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It's a semantical difference.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And so the last clip here from the 13th is Alex expressing that yeah, of course the globalists
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would fake something like this, which is just to be like, yeah, yeah, they did.
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It's within the realm of possible.
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So you should believe this very credible guy I just had on.
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Remember, this is a government caught secretly sterilizing hundreds of thousands of Americans.
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It's a government caught doing secret medical experiments on blacks, whites, from the Appalachias
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to Georgia, from Northern California to Texas.
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These are globalists.
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They will do anything.
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Of course they would stage something like this to blame us and get our guns.
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Of course they would.
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That's not fair.
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That's just not fair.
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Yes, the government is fucking evil.
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I'm on your team now.
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Don't make it bullshit.
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Let's do something about it.
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The FBI tried to blackmail Martin Luther King Jr. into killing himself.
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Yes, the government is fucking evil, but don't use it to deny Sandy Hook, man.
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Right.
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Don't do that.
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Fuck.
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It's a cheap trick.
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That's bullshit.
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Yeah.
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I'm so mad about that.
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Yeah.
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God damn it.
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So Wolfgang comes back on September 25th.
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Alex has him back on in 2014.
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And the reason for this is that someone has uncovered that the FBI crime statistics list
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zero murders for the city of Newtown in 2012.
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And the reason for this is the statistics were kept in the state.
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It was a jurisdictional issue, so it wasn't listed as murders in the city.
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It was a state issue.
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It's very easy to get to the bottom of this, but Alex, I think, is swayed by this.
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And then give us what happened in your new investigation, and then let's talk about this
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new piece of evidence, is it important or can we get a response from the FBI?
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Thank you, Wolfgang, for joining us.
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Well, you know, I did get a response.
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I called the New Haven FBI offices and their response is, well, they've been asked by the
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Connecticut State Police not to put those numbers on their data sheet.
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Now, when has the state police ever told the FBI what to do?
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I mean, I mean, that's just unheard of.
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So this is important because they already have access to the information that explains
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this.
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Yeah.
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And instead of being like, oh, that's why, Alex has Wolfgang on to spin it.
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This isn't looking at the facts.
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This isn't looking at the, is this suspicious or is it not?
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It's saying this is suspicious.
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Here is the guy I'm going to have on as my expert, someone who believes that this whole
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thing was fake.
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It's just, it's not what you would do if you're hearing both sides.
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It's not what you would do if you had questions.
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It's what you would do if you were desperately craving a way that you could justify being
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like this guy, being like Wolfgang.
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And I think that FBI statistic thing is probably as good as Alex could get.
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You know, like here is the FBI, they say zero, therefore no one died.
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And even though you just spent the last segment telling us all about how the government and
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the FBI would lie to us, no, with no compunction, they've lied about everything.
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But this time they're telling the truth.
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Yeah.
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It seems like people like Alex do that sort of thing.
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It's a little bit strange.
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The deep state always lies, except when they help me out.
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The interesting thing is like you hear Wolfgang be clearly aware of what the dynamic is here,
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why that number was zero.
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And he's like, his response to it is, come on.
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And Alex laughs and that's good enough.
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That's good enough.
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Hey, good.
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Come on.
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Get out of here with your, ah, you're a scamp.
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All right.
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Moving on.
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That's pretty funny.
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That's shit.
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Yeah.
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So just to address that, it's a trope in every movie that the FBI and the state cops
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get into a fight every time.
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Oh, this is our jurisdiction.
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It's your, of course they, the state police say that to the FBI all the time, right?
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It's a whole thing, right?
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So in order to have, uh, how big on in this new sort of way, because I think Alex is now,
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uh, on board or at least indicating that he's getting on board with the no one died thing.
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He now needs to justify that in the internal universe of info Wars.
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And one of the best ways to do that is to rely on a trusted source.
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Dr. Steve Pechenik ran David Accords, wrote the books with Tom Clancy.
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He's the Jack Ryan character.
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He's not.
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He's in combat situations at least 10 times.
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And he said they want it was staged.
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I mean, these are heavy hitters saying this Pechenik ran psychological warfare for the
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CIA, basically in the Pentagon.
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He was above it from the state department.
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Totally above it.
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Um, so, so what you have here is Alex has Steve Pechenik who he at this point, and now
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again, apparently thinks is the most credible person in the world.
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Everything old is new.
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So, Hey man, Wolfgang might be saying some wild out there stuff, but Steve Pechenik who
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was above the military or, or whatever.
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Tell me which 10 times he saw, who cares?
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He said day one that no one died.
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And so maybe we were late to pick up on this.
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Maybe we were exercising too much caution.
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I knew it stunk.
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I mean, why would Anderson Cooper turn and be a green screen and his nose disappear?
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Why would they have kids going in and coming out clearly staged?
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I just didn't early on.
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I said, well, they had to have killed somebody.
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I mean, this doesn't make sense.
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Then parents come out and start laughing and then turn to the camera and cry.
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I mean, this stinks to high heaven.
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I just, I, all I hear is Alex using the exact same talking points from ever, but now with
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the conclusion that no one died.
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So great.
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All I hear is Alex losing all of his money.
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That's what I'm, that's what I'm, that's where my head is going now, whenever we're listening
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to this truly disastrous stuff, my head is just going to him, broke, penniless in the
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gutter.
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Yep.
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So, uh, we get back to these 16 questions thing and you can clearly see how this, um,
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the allegation that these questions aren't answered is used as a cudgel.
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And for 15 months, Alex, the school board refuses to call me back.
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They refuse to answer the questions.
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I've spent over $15,000 trying to get for your request answers and guess what?
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Not one response.
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Why don't they just release it and shut you up?
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Why don't you just go away?
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I'll go away.
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If they just answer these questions, you know, Hey, just Google your answers, right?
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I'm positive that a lot of the people probably would have answered his calls at the beginning.
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And I bet because of his behavior, I'm not going to talk to this guy.
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I'm guessing I can't speak for the people who received his, uh, his calls or emails,
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but I would assume that a lot of them are like, Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.
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I know what's up here.
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No, not engaging.
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And he interprets that as like, Hey, they are too afraid to answer my questions because
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optics, it's optics.
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This is what's important.
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You're putting on publicity shit.
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He's acting like a child.
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He's acting like a child.
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The first time a child asks you a question, you're like, Oh, well, this is the answer
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to that question.
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Maybe I'll just take you through real slowly.
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And then it's like, no, but what about this?
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No, but what about this?
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Until you're like, you're a fucking child.
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Get out of here.
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Right.
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That's the conspiracy strategy.
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Yeah.
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So Alex is like, he's continuing his consistent thread that is going far out of his way to
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present how big as the best coming out with something, I bet this has cut into your business.
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It has.
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I'm actually, yeah, I've been blessing.
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You're the perfect witness.
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You got this great record national expert.
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You see it, you have integrity, you tell the truth.
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And I bet it got you blackballed, but it didn't get you blackballed with God though.
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Yeah.
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Didn't get you blackballed with God.
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Cause you're standing up and telling the truth and let me tell you, look, man, anybody, anybody
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can come out and just say whatever they want, but this is a man with a great, perfect reputation.
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Who's come out and he's risked his livelihood in order to give you all the truth.
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I should tell you that, uh, prior to becoming the, uh, Sandy Hook conspiracy theory world,
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uh, center, uh, Wolfgang, how big was working on a movie about the founding fathers, uh,
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traveling into the present day and uncovering a grand conspiracy into the process of trying
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to write this movie.
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He tweeted at Jimmy Fallon, trying to get help with getting his project off the ground
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Sterling credentials that did get him blackballed with God.
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It's really surprising that that was what did it.
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Yeah.
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I guess this sort of like trying to break into Hollywood aspect of his, uh, his, uh,
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career just sort of missing from Alex's, uh, equation a little bit.
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Yeah.
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A little bit.
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But otherwise perfect witness.
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Huge.
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He was a principal one time in Florida.
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Dan.
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Sure.
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I mean, that is one thing that is fair.
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Like he does from everything I've been able to tell, it does have some history and now
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some of it might be a little more sorted.
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It's very difficult to get to the bottom of some of that stuff, but it does, it does appear
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that he did work in schools and shit, but it's irrelevant based on the behaviors that,
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you know.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to let that one.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, this is a great piece of foreshadowing for Alex's present day.
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Okay.
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This is a clip.
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Listen, if I'm wrong, I hope they sue me and I get lose all my money.
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Actually in one clip that I, uh, from an interview, I didn't take clips from Wolfgang does say
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because he's a naturalized citizen.
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He came from Germany.
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Um, he does say that if I'm wrong, I will renounce my citizenship because he still thinks
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he's right.
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Oh, okay.
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Damn it.
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Yeah.
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Shit.
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But that was a pretty bold thing.
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That is so Wolfgang's complaining about how the released information about the shooting,
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but it was a gigantic amount of information.
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Right?
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Right.
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He has some complaints about that.
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And I think this is fucking hilarious.
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Alex's response and Steven Sudensky, the Dan, Danbury state attorney, they created the biggest
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data dump.
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It doesn't make any sense.
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You'll spend the rest of your life trying to read it to try to understand it.
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Sure.
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I mean, that's a tactic in depositions is adopt so much on people that can't.
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Oh, is that right, Alex?
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Is that,
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God damn it, Alex, you remember how you said to her, all these emails of these Sandy hookcase
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deposition, how that accidentally led to the investigators finding a child porn in those
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emails.
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Hey, one good deposition deserves another.
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Apparently.
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Look, dude, this is just an indication that he's keenly aware that this is a strategy
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that people employ and he doesn't like it when they're doing it, but he was happy to
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employ it himself.
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Of course.
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Right.
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If he doesn't do it, then they're going to do it.
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And if they do it well, then obviously he has to do it.
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So even if they don't do it, they might do it, so he's got to do it.
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Yeah.
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See makes perfect sense.
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Yeah.
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So Alex seems to be pretty much on the hook with, uh, with Wolfgang because of this, uh,
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this FBI statistic, but he has one sticking point and he needs to get over that.
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And I think he does it pretty, pretty automatically, almost okay.
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And I guess they just picked a group of state police and others that they knew they had
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under their control compromised.
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I don't know a pro, you know, pro gun controllers, fellow travelers.
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I mean, that's the only sticking point is that they can get so many people to engage
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in a criminal operation, but historically it happens.
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It happens.
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That was quick.
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Yeah.
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That's my, my only sticking point is how impossible it is to get this many people doing it, but
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it happens.
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Hey, the end.
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My sticking point is how almost universally everyone who's around there, uh, is on the
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same page and me and my crazy friend Wolfgang, uh, are against that.
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Right.
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And that's tough because it's almost like everyone disagrees with me, but that happens.
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Yeah.
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That's true.
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That's not good.
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I could dwell on that or I could treat myself to ice cream.
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So this is the last clip that I have from the September 28th interview.
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And uh, it's Wolfgang saying that he wants Alex to be there in court with him.
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Yes, I do too.
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Not you're looking at it the other way.
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He's talking about when he sticks it to the Sandy Hook folks.
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And uh, Alex, my dear friend, I want you to be in that room where we get the first deposition.
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I want you to look at the person that we're going to go after and you're going to be amazed.
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And I think you can share that with all of you listeners.
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I mean, you're a great voice out there, but you need to be a part of being in part of
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that room in the deposition.
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You'll be amazed.
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How long until you do this lawsuit?
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Well, it depends on the funding.
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These attorneys want, you know, money's up front.
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I've already spent 15,000.
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Uh, I, I'm going to file it anyway.
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I don't care what I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to finish this.
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They shouldn't have come to my house and now I'm not going to stop.
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I'm just not going to stop.
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So they made a mistake pushing you.
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They should not come to my house.
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They shouldn't have threatened me right before prisoners.
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You scared my family.
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I mean, you gotta be kidding me.
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It just seems like even through his own telling of so much of this, this is that personal
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and petty.
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There's a, he feels offended that the police came and was like, Hey, Hey man, you sent
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fucking emails to people like that school nurse.
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That's harassing people.
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You need to stop or else something, you know, you might get charged with something.
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You might, someone might press charges and that turns into a years long quest that hurts
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tons and tons of people because yeah, I don't know why.
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How big's picture needs to be in an encyclopedia next to hoisted by my own petard.
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Like that is, you're going to love being in these depositions is like, Ooh, yeah.
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You're does not love it right now.
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So I don't know.
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I think we end this 2013 now in 2014 investigation with a little bit of a, you know, it's a little,
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it's mildly unsatisfying because I don't think that we can necessarily say, I can't tell
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you exactly what happened between may and September.
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I can't tell what evolutions Alex had without spending another year.
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But I ultimately think that, uh, you know, as I've already expressed, the initial thing
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that I set out for is much less important.
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It turns out, I believe then, um, the, the, the larger picture missing for the forest
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for the trees, that sort of thing.
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No, I, I don't, I don't accept anything.
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If that statement it's fake, it's fake, we could be wrong, but it's fake.
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It's fake.
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Look at all the things that are fake.
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I don't, I don't give a fuck about the, we could be wrong.
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That functionally you said it was fake.
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You might as well have just said, I think Sandy hook, nobody died there with a tiny
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little, I could be wrong.
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And it's not in our capability or our like sort of mandate really to assess things from
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a legal perspective.
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Yeah.
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So it, you know, none of this is necessarily him committing a act of defamation.
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It's more, the interest is more in terms of like, when did he change?
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When did things twist?
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And I don't know.
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Now looking back on it, I'm not sure they ever really did all that much.
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Yeah.
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Now granted, there was some immediate disgust towards people saying that a grieving father
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was acting and faking.
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But that seems to have gone away fairly quickly.
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And then even in 2013, you speculating about Robbie Parker.
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Like that didn't that like, that's not that different.
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All of it is to say that I think that his editorial line has been pretty regularly consistent
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and it's not that important to me when he says these people didn't die, it is important
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on one, on the one level, but in terms of that being sort of behind a lot of the coverage,
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even if he's not explicitly saying it, that to me is as damning.
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I see him trying to be like, he is way past the line, but I see him stretching a tiny
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little toe and trying to leave it on the line is like, see, no, I'm not past the line.
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Your entire, everything is past the line.
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You can't just leave a little toe on there and be like, see, it didn't happen.
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So we wrap up this 2013 investigation and say, Alex, you suck.
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This is tragic.
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I don't, I don't, I don't believe, I believe that the most generous way you could look
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at this is that Alex is woefully unable to do his job.
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Like the best case scenario, the most kind complimentary thing I can say about what he
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does is that he has no business doing this because if you allow someone like Wolfgang,
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who you absolutely know, believes that no one died there.
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If you allow him to come on your show and say things like, it's suspicious that this
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animal shelter got money, you have a responsibility to either know about the topics that you're
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going to be covering or to say to him, is there a possible reason?
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Ask a follow-up question instead of just be like, ah, yeah, fuck the United way.
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Further because you know that he has this position, you have a responsibility to frame
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things a little bit more responsibly.
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For instance, if you're going to ask him, what do you think happened?
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You can't in the middle of asking that question, say, this guy is amazing.
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We salute him.
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You can't do that because you know the answer.
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You are giving those compliments to the answer you know is coming.
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I don't necessarily believe that that's an accident or something you would do randomly,
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but on the off chance that it is something that you would just do, you can't be trusted
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to be a commentator.
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No, I mean, this is one of those situations where sometimes your editorial statement is
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just booking.
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Like the moment you booked Halbig, you made your entire editorial statement clear.
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Unless it's a confrontational interview because you can't do that.
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Sure.
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You're absolutely right.
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I'm just saying like where we are right now, with all the Iraq war liars coming back on
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TV onto all of these shows, it's like, you've made your editorial position clear.
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You want us to get lied into another war.
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Unless the interview starts like this.
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Excuse me, we have from a former intelligence official, all right, now you're a fucking
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liar who lied us into a war, you fucking lying piece of shit.
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Why shouldn't you be in jail?
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Right.
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That's a different conversation.
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That can be done.
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Absolutely.
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People like Cenk at the Young Turks having David Duke on.
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You could have that be our adversarial interview and it's okay.
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So I don't think that Alex having Wolfgang Halbig on, period, is necessarily on its own
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an editorial decision, but having him on, praising him, saluting him, building him up
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as this great expert who is not only a champion for free speech and the victim of a conspiracy
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against him, but also given up all of this material gain in order to pursue this truth.
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That's the editorial decision.
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The framing of how the interview is done alone speaks volumes.
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And I think you can also see a little bit of the difference between this sort of interview
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that Alex is giving here in May and September 2014.
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You can juxtapose that with Paul's interview with James Tracy in the months after the shooting.
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Whereas Paul didn't do a great job of pushing back, he still did push back a bit and did
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make explicit repeatedly that I don't agree with you.
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That wasn't necessarily an adversarial interview, but it was at least pointed at times.
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He covered his own ass, I guess.
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Sure.
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It was at least somewhat critical.
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And so that doesn't seem like nearly as big of an editorial choice as something like these.
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It's very, very good.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I think one thing that I learned from the 2013 investigation, since we're now basically
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on three different epochs of Alex, we got 13, 15 in the present day.
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Those are the ones we've looked at the most.
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Yeah.
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And with 15, watching him leading up to an election is a way different type of monster
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than in 13 and the present because he doesn't have that thing to just harp on.
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Now he can throw his fucking disastrous bullshit anywhere.
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Well he had, as it went along in 2015, he had the specter of Hillary Clinton coming
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around in order to work with.
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Man, they made a lot out of that.
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They certainly did.
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Ugh.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I'm trying to reflect on this a little bit.
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I think that I'm a little, I don't know, nonplussed about the realization that the literal words
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coming out of his mouth are not the most important thing and the fact that that was the road
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I embarked down a little bit sort of maybe feels like a door not fully closed, but at
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the same time I'm super grateful to have been able to encounter the Boston bombing stuff
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because that, like, I don't know how anybody could listen to that and not think that Alex
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is one of the most manipulative liars basing his shit on nothing.
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And I honestly think that from my perspective, his behavior in the aftermath and the immediate
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and ensuing aftermath of the Boston bombing, it indicates and it has implications for his
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Sandy Hook coverage.
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It really does.
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It's such a full picture of just taking whatever piece of information, not vetting anything
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as being like, fuck it, we're building a narrative.
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And the narrative evolving to no one died at Sandy Hook is important, but it is just
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an evolution of the narrative that was already there, which is something's fake.
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This is all false flaggery.
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Yeah.
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I think what we answered, the 2013, it's just the question was not worded correctly.
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When did he say that Sandy Hook was fake should have just been like, when did he functionally
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say that Sandy Hook was fake?
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Because it was real quick.
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Yeah, in the post-mortem here, the sort of decompression.
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One of the notes you could take away is maybe in the future, if we ever do try and look
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at stuff like this, maybe have a better idea of what you want to find.
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I think we learned so much about, you don't want to speculate on what's going on inside
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somebody's mind while they're saying something.
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Whether or not he's telling the truth or he believes it or he's lying, you can't just
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speculate and say that is that.
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But when you see these same techniques being used in the Sandy Hook aftermath and the Boston
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bombing aftermath, that gives you a clearer idea of when the next thing hits, we're not
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speculating on what you think, we're going back to the context of the situation and this
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is what you're doing.
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Regardless of whether or not you believe it or not, we know exactly what you're doing
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and that means something.
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It means something.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, just need to take a break from the present day and we needed to put a bow
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here and I think we've managed to do that and I guess we'll be back in the present day
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next time.
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Do we have to?
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Well, we'll see.
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Can we get a time machine?
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Maybe.
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We got to get Wolfgang Halbig's screenplay.
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I would do that.
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Whatever the case, we'll be back, but we have a website.
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