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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying, we are the bad guys, knowledge

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fight, knowledge fight, I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying, we are

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the bad guys, and what is their real

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I love your work, Knowledge Fight, knowledgefight.com.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around,

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drink novelty beverages,

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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How was your first experience

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with weed being legal in Illinois?

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Well, weed became legal on the first of January,

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and that evening I got a text from a friend,

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I don't know, I don't remember who it was.

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I think it was Jordan, sent me a text

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that he wanted to go down to the dispensary

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on the second of January.

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Why not?

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And I thought, hey, I don't smoke weed, why not?

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Which is a stupid decision.

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Yeah, what, were you busy?

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No, not really.

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So we went down there and it was an interesting time.

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It was a bit of a long line,

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but very professional process.

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It really was.

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It was pretty smooth considering it was the second day

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they were in operation.

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I got a couple of gummies and seeing if it helps with sleep.

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How have the gummies worked for you?

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So far, the results are inconclusive.

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Seems like it's helping a little bit,

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but I'm not entirely sure if that's the placebo effect

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or whatever, but I don't know, it's interesting.

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Yeah, I think my ability to metabolize things

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is a little bit rough because they said

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that the average dose for the gummies

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was like a half of one.

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That's what the people at the place said, yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I ate two and it barely registered.

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Like, it was bad.

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Well, you may have a problem.

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I may have an issue.

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There might be, that might be on my end, not theirs.

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Luckily for me, I have almost no interest

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in using any of this stuff to get high, per se,

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so I don't really even care.

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Sure, sure, of course not. About your troubles.

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Oh.

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Your little pissant concerns about,

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oh, I took two and I didn't get two bugs.

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I was just, I was just sharing.

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I know, I appreciate your insight.

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I'm just sharing my feelings.

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Yeah, it's super interesting.

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I don't know, we'll see what happens.

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Yeah, it is, it was surprising.

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I've never waited four hours for weed before,

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so it was a little weird.

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It wasn't that long and they allowed you to,

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like, it had a really interesting setup

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where you would sign in and then they would text you

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when you were, it was ready for you to come to be let in.

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That was brilliant, I enjoyed that a lot.

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You know, you and I left and we had brunch

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and wandered around Andersonville neighborhood.

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It was wonderful.

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Yeah, it wasn't like you were standing there

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waiting for four hours, which would have been

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a deal breaker for me.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It absolutely would have been a no-go.

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I was already ready to leave anyways

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and we had already waited three hours.

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Yeah, that's true.

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I was like, fuck this noise, eh, but whatever.

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Yeah, so anyway, I don't know,

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I don't have a ton of thoughts about that,

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but I do know a lot about Alex Jones.

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And I don't know anything about either, yeah.

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So Jordan, today we have an episode to do that,

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I'm not entirely positive that I am wanting to do.

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I don't want to just, I want to get out of the present day.

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Right, yeah, well, I mean, me too.

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I keep for many different reasons.

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I keep having like, well, we've done a bunch of

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present day episodes, time to go do something else.

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Right.

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And then something will happen in the world

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like Alex's deposition will happen or, you know,

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it'll come out that he lost $100,000 in fees to the court.

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Or Trump goes ahead and assassinates a guy.

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Okay, well there, that one is probably something to cover.

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Right, so these things keep happening and you,

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like I can't not cover it.

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It'd be outside of the public's interest.

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Right, right, right, right.

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And so, and hey, I'm not sitting here complaining

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and like, I'm forced to be in the present day.

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It's just, it is a slog a little bit.

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Absolutely.

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And I think it probably is for the listeners too

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and I apologize about that.

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And as soon as we have a chance to do an episode

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that is not the present day, I promise you,

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we will do one. ASAP, yeah.

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But unfortunately, you know,

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we gotta keep up with this stuff

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because there's developing situations

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and Alex's positions on them are interesting to note.

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Yeah, generally speaking when historians will look back

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and say this was where World War II started.

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They will not be talking about Alex Jones.

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They will not be talking about Alex Jones.

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I highly doubt that.

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But we will.

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Yes.

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And before we get to that today,

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we gotta take a little moment, Jordan,

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to say thank you to some folks who have signed up

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So first, Vero Headhunter Tom, T-H-O-M,

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Thank you very much, Vero Headhunter Tom.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you so much.

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Is that the right?

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No.

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No, okay.

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Thank you, Hannah.

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Yes, thank you very much, Hannah.

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It'd be extremely helpful. Yeah. So, uh,

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today is episode that we're going over is January 3rd, uh, 2020 episode of

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2020. Hey,

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it's 2020 is already shit. It's Friday of last week.

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And so the day after Trump, uh, ordered, uh,

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or the strike to take out Suleimani, uh,

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and we'll get into some of that a little bit. Uh, but before we do,

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here's an out of context drop from today's show.

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I'm Alex Jones and this is 2020 he's ripping off Barbara.

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Stop ads. I think Alex is going to do that every day. I believe that this is

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Alex Jones. This is 2020. What a Dick. Uh, that's lame.

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So before we get into today's show,

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I want to give a little bit of a disclaimer. Uh,

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I'm not an expert in geopolitics.

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I can really only go on the information that's available and I can find,

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which is often times limited,

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particularly in the case of evolving and ongoing situations.

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Some potentially major events unfolded over the course of the last week.

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And though those things will come up on this episode,

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I want to express that I'm going to try my best to stay away from over analyzing

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things too much since that would probably be a little bit irresponsible of

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someone like me to do.

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There are many other great places where that kind of work is being done by far

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more competent hands.

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And I would encourage people to rely on those sources for more nuanced

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discussion of the geopolitical scene.

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I don't know what Iran is going to do to respond and I don't want to speculate

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since that could easily veer off track into you and I playing guessing games.

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It's not productive. Yeah. That being said,

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I want to offer two very strong positions that I hold and that are probably best

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to acknowledge up top before we get into anything. And after I say this,

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you're welcome to speak your piece as well. Jordan, your position. All right.

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The first is that I am absolutely categorically opposed to a war with Iran and

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I'm equally opposed to the actions that make such a war more likely.

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I understand that many would see the invasion of a U S embassy in Iraq as

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grounds for a response.

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And I understand that position of where that's coming from,

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but I think that this level of response seems way out of proportion and reckless.

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Second from everything I've read on the subject,

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Trump crossed a very serious line by killing Suleimani in that Suleimani was an

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official of the Iranian government.

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This is an official of a sovereign government who Trump has openly admitted he

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ordered the assassination of, which is a really fucked up thought.

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I have some discomfort with the idea of drone warfare generally speaking,

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but when it's being used to commit political assassinations on government figures

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within countries that we are not at war with, it is a very serious matter.

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In an article in the Atlantic, Ona Hathaway,

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a professor of international law at Yale law school opined that the strike to

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kill Suleimani was a breach, not only of our constitution,

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but also international law because Trump did not inform Congress,

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nor did he approach the UN security council before making this decision.

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These problems could be resolved if the attack was done to stop an imminent

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attack, which secretary of state Mike Pompeo has claimed,

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but no one has produced any proof to support that assertion.

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It's my feeling that leaving aside how bad a guy Suleimani might have been or may

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have been probably was what Trump did was wrong and profoundly dangerous.

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Given all the information I have at my disposal,

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I don't see any gray area there and Trump's actions since the killing have only

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made me feel deeply concerned even more so.

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It's probably debatable if the assassination counts as an act of provocation that

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would justify Iran declaring war, for example.

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But what's not debatable is that after all of that,

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Trump took to Twitter and literally threatened to commit war crimes.

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He said, quote,

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let this serve as a warning that if Iran strikes any Americans or American assets,

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we've targeted 52 Iranian sites representing the 52 American,

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American hostages taken by Iran many years ago,

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some at a very high level and importance to Iran and the Iranian culture.

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And those targets and Iran itself will be hit very fast and very hard.

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The U S wants no more threats.

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The part about Iranian culture being targeted is a massive red flag.

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Targeting cultural sites is universally considered a war crime and not for

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nothing. The people you generally be killing by attacking cultural sites are

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non-combatants.

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So the very idea that a president would say something like this is absolutely

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unacceptable territory for us to be in the way Trump is behaving is villain

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shit. This is authoritarian level shit.

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And I just don't even know what to say about it.

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There's obviously more to this story than we know right now and putting singular

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blame on Trump, I think would be foolish.

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He's ultimately responsible for the decision,

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but I think it would be naive to think it was a decision that was made in a vacuum.

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So obviously advisors around and people steering him in directions,

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but for me to speculate on the precise aspect of that,

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I think at this point would be just that speculation. Right, right, right.

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One thing that strikes me is that I feel like Alex and I should be on the same

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page on this one.

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The fact that Trump would kill a government official from a state we're not at war

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with without notifying Congress should be everything Alex is against in an

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executive. Alex is an anti-war guy, or at least pretends to be.

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So it should be pretty clear as a case of Trump stepping way outside the bounds of

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acceptable action and doing things that tend to make war more likely, not less.

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This should be a slam dunk for Alex as a way to leave Trump.

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But I think we all know how this is going to go. Oh God, no.

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So these are sort of the positions that I'm coming in with and I don't want to

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necessarily litigate a lot of the like, but what about, right? No,

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no, the, the angles of it, I think leaving everything aside,

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this is not an acceptable action.

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And then the way Trump has behaved afterwards has made the action itself even

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worse. Yep. Um, and so I, I, I, I, that's,

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that's sort of the position I'm coming from. Uh, I mean, I,

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I suppose the only thing that I can say now, uh, that makes me feel,

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I guess, uh, sticking true to my principles is that, uh,

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W Obama and Trump should all be prosecuted for war crimes. Like, I guess,

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I guess there's no other way to make sense of this. Sure. You know, like it's,

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if we hadn't done anything,

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if we did something to prosecute W for his war crimes,

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maybe we wouldn't be here. Maybe. And we didn't do anything.

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And we've just allowed it to deteriorate. So, you know,

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our government should most of them be in jail. I guess that's that. Yeah.

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We've had how many, my life has been spent at war, right? You know,

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how many, how many opportunities have we had to,

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to do this and the extent to which we've given the executive branch carte

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blanche, uh,

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has led obviously to a situation where the mad king can do whatever he wants.

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This is a, this is the end point of what happened in,

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in W. It does feel that way. This is the logical conclusion of that. Yeah.

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Um, and, uh, like I said,

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I don't want to overanalyze stuff because I'm not, I'm not equipped to do that.

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I'm not, I am not, uh, I would be putting on airs,

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and I'd be pretending, uh, uh, some sort of capabilities that I don't have.

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So without getting too deep into anything until things come up along the way,

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I do want to say that this episode is a total mess, but honestly,

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only half of the situation, uh,

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that makes it a mess is because of what's going on with Iran.

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As you might expect on a day like this of international intrigue,

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Alex has Steve Pachannik on to get his expert opinion on things and that

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interview deteriorates into territory that even shocked me,

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which is saying a lot considering Steve's recent appearances on the show where

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he said that representative government should go away.

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Do process is stupid and that he was involved in the death of Yitzhak Rabin.

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Yeah, that one was, that one was a little bit, it takes a lot for Steve to shock me,

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but suffice it to say somehow he managed to do it. I'm surprised. Hold on.

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He's not claiming any involvement in the, no. Okay. Cause I really think he might.

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Not in the present day. Okay. Okay. Although he does say that he,

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repeatedly that he's, uh, he knew, uh,

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the Ayatollah Khomeini before personally. Yes. Okay. I gotcha.

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I've been to his house and that the Ayatollah Khomeini

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said that his son was stupid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right.

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All right. It's an interesting, um, that's,

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that's fucking bonkers. Yeah, yes it is. Uh,

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but we'll get to that when he gets in and about the second hour for now,

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Alex starts the show off in a very weird way because this is giant news that's

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breaking. And a lot of the world is having conversations about, um,

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shades of 2003, right? Uh,

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people having conversations about what does this mean? Are there,

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is this legally justifiable in any way? Right. Um,

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so I'm going to go with, he's going to talk about the movie oblivion. No,

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no, this isn't 2013. Okay. He's forgotten about them. Okay.

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I just figured that's a great way to go. If you don't want to talk about this,

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you talk about oblivion.

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He's forgotten that that's a movie and now thinks it's a white paper. Okay.

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All right. That's real. Okay. Um, no, he starts out by bragging about how,

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he's getting a lot of traffic.

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The infowars servers are laboring right now

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under record traffic as the world

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tunes in to hear what myself and my guests are going to

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break down and say,

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and what callers to this broadcast are going to say about the historic

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incredibly bold move that we witnessed

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yesterday. So the president, so Alex starts out on a, on a pretty,

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uh, like, Hey, we're getting tons of,

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like his first point is that we're getting a record traffic, which first of all,

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I don't believe maybe like a, like a recent record or something,

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but you're not getting record traffic from your, from the heyday. Yeah. Yeah.

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That's absolutely ridiculous. But it is a, um, a self, uh,

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aggrandizing opening like, Hey, yes, there is a lot going on in the world,

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but you know, when big things happen in the world,

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everyone wants to know what I'm saying. Yeah. That's a,

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that's some psychopath shit is what that is. I think it is. Well, I mean,

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it's just narcissism. But then on the other hand,

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I think what it is too is that like the last time Trump bombed somebody,

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Alex got really drunk and cried on air. Right.

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So I think that people are thinking like, Oh God, it's the day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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I see what you're saying.

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I think that there is a certain amount of training that people have gone under

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that right. So I'm crazy. He's going to have, right. Right. Right. Right.

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I wouldn't be surprised if he did get a lot of eyes tune again to be like,

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what's he going to do? Yeah. That would make sense. Yeah. Yeah. Cause is he,

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is he going to finally break with Trump over this? He's already,

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the last time he said he crammed ISIS up as dirty asshole. That's true.

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So he's got to elevate his game today. Right.

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He's got to take it up an escalate and a notch. You think it's a,

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I would believe he's getting increased traffic,

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but it's not people who are like, I need to know what he's going to say. Right.

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I want to see a train wreck. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's what's going on.

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But anyway,

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it seems to show where his priorities are or at least where his head is himself.

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Yes. As usual. So Alex, uh, he, he, in that clip,

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you heard him say that this was a bold action. Yeah. Trump drone attacking,

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uh, Suleimani. Sure. And you know, that continues.

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He keeps calling it bold, but at the beginning of the show,

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he's trying to walk a line here where he's not in condoning it.

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Right. But it is a bold decisive move by the executor.

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The sense that I get from listening to this,

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and it doesn't change really throughout the entire time,

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is that Alex is in favor of this, but doesn't want to be in favor. Yeah.

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Doesn't want to be like overly like, yeah. Right. Uh,

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but is pretty in favor. And I think he wants to go to war with Iran. Yeah.

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That makes sense.

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But he also doesn't want to say he wants to go to war with Iran,

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he wants to say it's defensive or something. Quite frankly,

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he sounds a lot like a lot of the people I remember back at the beginning of the

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Iraq. Yeah. Yeah. He sounds very similar to a lot of those folks, which is weird.

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A lot of those folks, uh, are coming back up. A lot of them showing up today.

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Isn't that crazy? A lot of them showing back up makes total sense.

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Alex Jones becoming one of them is a transformation. That is weird. But anyway,

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here's how Alex sort of starts this off. He encourages a cerebral response.

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Hmm. I'm asking listeners to really pull back and be cerebral about this.

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And I'm, I'm trying to do that myself. Also really quick. The sound is terrible.

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Yeah. I'm confused as to, I was, I was about to ask you like,

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do we need to stop? No, it's atrocious. It's just, I don't, I don't know what it,

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I don't know what the problem is. The audio is a disaster. Wow.

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I'm certainly not lecturing you.

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I'm lecturing myself and look geopolitically what's happening around the world

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and what message president Trump is really sending with this,

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not just to North Korea,

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but also to Obama and Hillary and John Kerry that have been working with Iran

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publicly against president Trump and Congress and against the law and the fact

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that they've been encouraging Iran to attack ships, sink ships,

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uh, and engage in massive paramilitary activity across the middle East.

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So I, I don't, I don't know if people are, are actually doing that. Um,

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fuck off. Yeah. Fuck off. Don't, don't, don't do the, I,

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well it's only because Obama actually made this all fucking now. Yeah.

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That's the other thing that's really consistent first is like, it is bold.

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And then the second thing is like, this is a message to everyone.

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And I think it is, I think it is a message. I'm fucking crazy, man. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anything can happen at any time.

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Any time. Not good. Yeah. Um, so Alex starts talking about Iran.

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He starts talking about the country in, in some pretty glowing terms,

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but also at the same time, you know how like in pro wrestling, a really good,

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um, uh,

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opponent will talk about how great you are if you're fighting them. Right.

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Because they want to beat someone that they have built up. Sure. Sure. Sure.

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You don't want your,

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like the person you're in a feud against to be like, you're a piece of shit.

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You suck because it doesn't elevate either of you no matter what ends up

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happening.

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It's the traveling Ronan looking for the greatest swordsman in the land in order

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to defeat him and test his true powers. You want to put someone over. Yeah.

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And that's kind of how I feel a little bit about, uh, Alex. When,

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the way he talks about Iran throughout this episode is very much like building

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them up, but also like they're a worthy adversary kind of thing.

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Won't it be glorious when we defeat our, it's a little strange.

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And the Iranians are where the word Aryan comes from.

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Hitler modeled his system off of the Aryan plan where they have believed for

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3000 years, they have a right to rule the earth.

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The Iranian people are very smart folks and they founded what is

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modern India today, Pakistan, they invented chess, much of language,

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astronomy,

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and a mixture of that with expansionist Islam is a good case of

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cancer.

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Anyway, you slice it.

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So we already had one guy last century saying he was an Aryan going to take over

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the planet. Uh, and, uh, we, we do have that going on again.

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I'm not saying I want to have war with Iran. I'm not saying they're the devil.

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I'm saying that the Hezbollah militias all over the world

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are the most expansionist arm of Islam and are working with the globalist deep

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state against president Trump and America.

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So that's not being discussed in the news. Why this happened? Well,

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that's because this is convoluted nonsense. Yeah. I don't know.

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Is anything that he just said true? Well,

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there's one little kernel of truth and that is that the word Aryan does have

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roots in Iranian culture. Okay, cool.

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Cause I'm pretty sure they didn't invent chess. No, uh,

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it exists as a name for one of the 16 nations mentioned in the Zoroastrian text,

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the Avesta.

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It denotes the central Asian group that was known for being good and lawful

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people. It's not a racial or ethnic designation.

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It's more of a cultural descriptor in the text.

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And the oldest known copy of that dates back to about two 24 to six 51 CE.

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So this is a really ancient text. Yeah. Um,

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this should absolutely not be confused with the racialized concept of Aryan

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that's associated with Hitler because they're completely separate ideas.

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The notion of an Aryan race didn't come into being until like the mid 1800s and

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it was largely used as a vehicle to argue for Caucasian supremacy.

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Referencing back to references in the Avesta,

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that was one of the pillars of evidence that was used to bolster the Caucasian,

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uh, Aryan race ideas.

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Or, or bullshit. There we go.

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Obviously Hitler had a plan that involved Aryans and racial purity,

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but I'm not entirely sure there was ever a plan to do that.

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I'm not entirely sure there was ever such a thing as an official plan called the

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Aryan plan.

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I can find no references really to the Aryan plan and any official writings or

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serious places.

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The only place I can find where that term comes up is like some neo Nazi blogs

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and a book called the holy book of Adolf Hitler. For some context,

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that book was written in 1952 by James Larratt Battersby,

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who was a British fascist who believed that Hitler was Christ returned.

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One wonders if that's one of the 50,000 books about world war two that Alex

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claims he's read.

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Man, you gotta be, you gotta be ballsy if you think Hitler's, uh,

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the next Messiah, you gotta, that's a bold book to write if you will, Dan.

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A lot of the stuff Alex brings up in that clip is just complete muddying of

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historical concepts and linguistics that I don't really have the patience to

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address because there's a larger point worth mentioning.

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Alex is literally saying that last century we had a guy who called himself an

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Aryan who wanted to rule the world and that it's happening again.

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He says that he doesn't want war,

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but everything he's saying justifies war as being the only possible outcome.

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These are the words of a war monger who's also too much of a coward to be pro

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war when he feels, uh, that's his position. That's, that's the sense that I get.

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It's just, it's, um,

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if you're saying that they're, if you're saying that they're like,

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that's just setting them up as the next Hitler, right?

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You didn't even know that they were going to be the next Hitler yesterday and

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today all of a sudden you're bringing out Zoroastrianism to prove that we need

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to bomb them. It's a mess. Good work, dude. Yeah.

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So Alex, every single time there's something major in the world,

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it's a false flag. Uh, this one is probably not a false flag.

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This one is absolutely not a false one. Okay. Crystal clear yet again.

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This is not a false flag. This is not a staged event, but a white person did it.

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Our sovereign territory was our troops have been getting killed all over the

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middle East and Africa by she got trained groups. Fuck you.

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And so this is a very strong message from the president. So again,

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that makes it seem pretty positive. His feelings on this seem very positive.

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It's a strong message from the president. It's not a false flag.

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She ate militias have been killing her all over the middle.

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It seems like he's justifying the act more than he is analyzing it in any

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meaningful way. I'm really fucked up by this.

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Like I really don't like the same like propaganda push in 2003.

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I'm just feeling that from so many sides, it's like, I, it's,

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it's just so creeping and insidious and I hate it. It is frustrating.

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Yeah. But if it makes you feel any better,

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you should take some comfort in knowing that Alex isn't taking a side on this.

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That doesn't sound true. Feel very much like he is. Well,

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if words have meaning, then yes, he is taking a side. He's not taking a side.

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He's so words don't have just reviewing all the anger. Really.

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I am not going to come on this show and choose a side of,

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I'm for this strike or I'm against this strike and I'm not doing that to be

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lukewarm and to not take a side.

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I'm doing that because I want to look at this for the perspectives of the

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Iranian government

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and the individuals running our government and talk about the different players

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that are involved and what has brought us to this point.

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Then at the bottom of the hour,

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I am going to give you my personal view and what I think about this situation

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and where I think it's headed and what my discernment and spiritual gut level

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site is on this.

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So he's not going to take a side with the bottom of the hour.

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He's going to take a side. Sure. Sure. I like it. Great. I,

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I'm here's what I'm hoping for.

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I'm hoping for one on one combat Trump versus Khomeini.

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We take it. Everybody's taken care of, right? Mm. Nah. Winner take all.

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Not going to work. Winner take all. We, we become Iran. If the,

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if Khomeini beats up Trump, we become Iran.

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Alex should love that because he thinks Trump is unbeatable. Uh, I'm sorry.

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I got to chastise for that because yeah, I said Khomeini. Yeah. Um,

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but I, I, um, yeah, I,

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I think that he doesn't need to say that I'm a,

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I'm not going to get on the show and take a side cause you've already taken a

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side. Yeah. Like you already, you're, you're, it's implied.

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All you can do is break. That's all you can do. Yeah.

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You can either just do what you're going to do.

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Whatever a mealy mouth nonsense this is,

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is just a continuation of the side you're already on. Yeah.

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The only way you can say anything meaningful is be like, this is it. I'm gone.

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Fuck this. Yeah. And he's never going, I don't know, never,

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but he's certainly not doing it on this episode.

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Well yeah, cause even if you say you're not taking a side,

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you're still then giving tacit, uh,

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permission for them to do that. Uh, you know,

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either you are against it or you are passively for it or actively for it. Yeah.

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Those are, there's three options. So Alex begins, uh,

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his sort of analysis about the situation with Iran and in

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Iraq, uh, by talking about, uh, Syria.

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But I want first to just pull back out of the emotion, myself included.

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And I want to analyze the facts here.

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We know that there have been six different chemical attacks that have all been

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confirmed to be staged in the last five years.

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A good two years before Trump even got into office,

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they'd stage several and the ISIS and Al Qaeda operatives would fire the

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chemical weapons and put out promo videos wanting to get the praise like rock

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stars.

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But then the press would still blame the Syrians and the

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Iranians for it. And we would come on air and say, that is not the case.

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That is a stage chemical attack. And the UN has been forced to come out and say

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it. And it's all been confirmed now.

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So when Alex is talking about chemical weapons attacks,

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he's not talking about Iran. This is just about Syria. This is Assad. Yeah.

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This is an endlessly complicated topic.

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And I would be a little disingenuous if I were to present myself as an expert on

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the topic.

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But I can tell you that I've read up a bit on the relevant literature surrounding

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this.

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And I think that the assertion that these attacks were faked is offensive.

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Alex believes that the rebels in Syria attack themselves with chemical weapons

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in order to sway world opinion against the Assad regime and prompt U S attacks

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on Assad. This is not based on any evidence, really.

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It's just kind of Alex's gut feeling and the gut feeling of some of his guests.

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It's kind of the same thing as when Alex predicted that the globalists are going

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to pull off some false flags because that's what he would do if he were them.

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When he's discussing these sorts of foreign conflicts,

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so little of it is based on reality.

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And so much of the analysis seems to boil down to what Alex would probably do if

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he was in the rebels place.

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Yeah. He would commit civilian atrocities to achieve his desired outcome.

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So everyone must be similarly inclined.

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Absolutely. Kind of how it feels.

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And the real giveaway that Alex is talking shit here is that he says that the UN

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has had to admit that these chemical weapons attacks were staged.

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That's a bald faced lie.

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The only sliver of truth to it is that Russia has consistently vetoed measures in

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the UN Security Council to form commissions to investigate the use of chemical

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weapons in Syria, which seems weird.

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All Alex is doing is repeating Russian government talking points.

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Going back to at least 2013,

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Russia was arguing that the chemical attacks were being staged to sway public

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opinion against Assad, which makes sense,

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given that he's a major ally of theirs in the region.

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All credible investigations done by groups like the Human Rights Council and the

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Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons do not support Alex and

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Russia's conclusion.

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And the UN has not had to come out and admit because Alex was so bold and

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reported the truth.

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I'm pretty sure that would have been much bigger news.

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That would have been a real big news day.

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I think we would remember that 24 hour cycle.

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UN admits chemical attack, false flag.

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Assad, actually, great dude.

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Yeah, no, not happening.

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Strange. But that's the perception that Alex wants the audience to have.

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And we'll get back to this a little bit later because it comes back up and we'll

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discuss it in a tiny bit more detail.

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But suffice it to say, I just find that stuff awful.

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Yeah. When these guys talk, it would like you can see how much damage is really

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possible when Alex starts talking about foreign policy, because, you know, when

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you get sure he can fuck up our ability to get Medicare for all.

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And that's going to ruin a lot of people, a lot of people's lives.

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But when he starts saying nonsense about foreign policy, this is how we get into a

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fucking war where hundreds of thousands of people die.

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Right. In violent conflict.

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There are stakes to it.

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Like he's part of that.

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Thankfully, I think he's irrelevant enough.

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Sure. Probably isn't having any, like, actual impact on decisions that are made.

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Sure. But there is, you know, if he has a considerable audience, he's leading them as

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a bloc, as an electorate or, you know, some sort of a voting bloc that enables

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absolutely and facilitates these kinds of actions.

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And so that's negative. No information or on no factual information.

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Well, he has feelings. Yeah, exactly.

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And that's that's not good.

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This show is opinion based, except for everything is fact and the U.N.

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is admitted. Right.

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No, but he feels like the U.N. admitted it.

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Right. Oh, God.

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So Alex believes that the message Trump is sending and this whole thing is about

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China is the real issue.

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The Middle East isn't even an issue.

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We don't even give a shit about them anymore.

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Really? That's his angle on it?

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It's yeah, there's a there's a kernel of it.

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OK. Trump is really pragmatically saying we're not going to do this in the Middle East

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is not an issue. We're already energy independent in the U.S.

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We need to pivot to deal with China.

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They're the real threat. And the globalists want to divert us and our military and our

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blood into that sand trap.

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I know we've touched on this in the past, but Alex is parroting a disingenuous Trump

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talking point here that just is unacceptable to let stand.

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He's trying to present the idea that Trump is above the fray because now the U.S.

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is energy independent.

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So we don't even need to worry about the Middle East, which is kind of a fucked up

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notion on its face.

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And it does seem to imply that our only interests would be that, which is I find

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fucked up. Yeah, something that Trump himself has said.

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But the reality here is that we're not energy independent per se.

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Alex is confusing that with our trend towards becoming a net exporter of oil, which

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isn't the same thing.

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According to foreign policy, we still imported approximately a million barrels of oil

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per day from Saudi Arabia in 2018.

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The generally agreed upon definition of energy independence is that we would be

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producing more energy than we consume.

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And during a couple of months of last year, that was something that we achieved.

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But this isn't a Trump thing, though.

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It's been a long trend in the process with steady rises in energy production and

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relative stability and energy consumption going all the way back through Obama's

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entire presidency.

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I don't believe that Alex is using the term energy dependence independence in that

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context, though. It feels more like he's saying that we don't import anything or we

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could just create all our energy ourselves, which is definitively false.

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Yeah, it does sound like he's saying if if the United States were suddenly cut off

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from the entire world, we'd be fine.

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Yeah, that is the image that he's hoping to present.

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Yeah, that's just not true.

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No, like we export a whole lot of the energy that we produce.

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So in order to meet our consumption needs, we still bring in a ton of foreign energy

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products, without which we'd be completely fucked.

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So, well, that's why when you see the Strait of Hormuz taken down for five hours,

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that's a hundred million dollars and all that shit.

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You know, everything is disrupted, disrupted massively and quickly.

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And even if we're a net exporter of oil, it doesn't mean that we're immune to

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fluctuations in oil price at the global market.

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So all this stuff is interconnected in ways that Alex is just sort of poo-pooing.

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And it's not a good perspective.

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I mean, again, that comes back to this type of shit where it's like if if you are

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incapable of understanding the nuance, just like, you know, not neither you nor I

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are going to claim to have good policy making ideas or experience for foreign

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policy in countries that we have no history with.

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But somehow this dude will fucking say he knows what's going on.

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Because he thinks it's just simple.

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It's just simple, like, oh, well, you hit him there and then that's done.

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He's cracked this code that he can't explain unless he had 20 pages of paper

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and then he could give you a brief sketch of it.

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But he knows it all.

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It's all that he's got.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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He knows the plan.

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And that's why the inputs create such easy outputs.

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Of course.

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It's all very simple in his head, but there's just so much that he's just willfully

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ignoring or unaware of.

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It's hard to tell.

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But whatever it is, it's stupid.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, we're only at this position we're in right now with Iran because these

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double dealing globalists.

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I really don't feel like that's true.

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I think the people who got us here were very straightforward and direct in their

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desire to start a war.

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Double dealing globalists.

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Oh, I didn't think so.

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And so why have we gotten to this point?

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Because the deep state, the permanent bureaucracy, the CFR, the building

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the Bilderberg globalist leftist arm of it that works closely with the neo cons, everyone

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but the guy who ordered with Iran, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Fiona Hill, the general

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McMaster types.

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They have been working publicly in shadow diplomacy to derail everything that Trump's

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trying to do to bring real detente and a stalemate and an armistice and a ceasefire in Africa

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and the Middle East and in the global strategy of the Arab Spring, of breaking Europe's

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borders, of flooding Turkey and of destabilization.

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That clip is a prime example of Alex saying nothing.

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He's accusing vague factions like the, quote, Bilderberg globalist leftist arm of the CFR.

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Sure.

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They're working for with Iran for destabilization.

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But what is he saying?

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What does that mean?

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What the fuck?

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Other than word salad is Bilderberg globalist leftist arm of the CFR, who happens to work

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with neo con.

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It's not what is that word salad?

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It's a very, very specific group of people.

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So I think maybe three or four people fit that bill right when you get that many qualifiers

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into it.

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No, because they're all inclusive.

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It's everybody.

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It can't be everybody.

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Everybody.

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Why do you need that many modifiers?

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Just say globalist left.

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Even beyond even beyond that concern.

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What is focused on writing about?

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What is he talking about?

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What are Obama, Hillary, Fiona Hill and the general McMaster types doing?

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Alex is saying they're working publicly in shadow diplomacy.

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But what does that mean?

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It can mean whatever you need it to mean to your listener.

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Yeah, whatever you think it is.

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Yeah.

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Hey, you remember how Kerry worked on the Iran nuclear deal?

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That's what he's talking about.

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True.

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Bullshit.

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It's all just him throwing in a bunch of words to give you the idea that it's anybody's fault

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but Trump.

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Well, it is not his fault.

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Nothing is his fault.

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That's a big piece of it.

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But I think the larger thing is that vagueness is a weapon for someone like Alex.

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He can just rattle off a list of his enemy's names, make some meaninglessly vague accusations

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about things they're doing that match whatever the hot button topic of the day is.

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Then he can move along, acting like he knows everything and he said something, but he hasn't

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said shit.

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This doesn't doesn't mean anything.

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Nope.

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Anyway, I wish you'd be more specific.

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I feel like it doesn't mean anything.

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Doesn't mean anything.

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It's an opinion.

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So the thing is that what Trump is doing is that he's letting these these governments

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like North Korea.

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Sure.

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North Korea.

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Putting them on blast.

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He's letting them know that this is the carrot or the stick you get to choose.

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And Trump is letting Iran know, just like the situation with North Korea, that carrot

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or the stick, if you stop all this, the sanctions will go away and we'll work with you.

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If you keep escalating and working with the deep state, the international globalist system

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through the chai comms to embarrass America and to sabotage us and to bankrupt our military

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and our country, we're going to confront you when you're militarily expanding.

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And when you proportionately start attacking us, we proportionately attack you.

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It's going to escalate until we use bunker buster bombs to kill the mullahs in Tehran.

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And that's something these individuals understand and get.

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This is war enabling nonsense.

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Like for one thing, Alex is saying that these countries are working with his globalist enemies.

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So Trump is putting sanctions on them, which will go away if they play ball.

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And if not, Trump's going to drop a big bomb on them.

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That seems like a pretty far cry from the sort of anti-interventionist posturing Alex

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used to engage in.

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It's a far cry from his constant, reasonably fair attacks on the United States government

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over the sanctions that were applied to Iraq that killed so many civilians.

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Alex brings that up all the fucking time.

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This seems very not in line with that.

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As for North Korea, I don't see how that's a good analog here.

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If you look at the real world, Trump's meetings with Kim Jong Un have not really done anything.

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There's no positive outcome in it for the United States and only positives for North

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Korea.

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Just the other day, on January 1st, NPR reported on a speech carried by the Korean Central

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News Agency, where Kim Jong Un had announced that he, quote, no longer feels bound by a

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self-imposed moratorium on nuclear and long-range missile testing.

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The story goes on to say, quote, KCNA quoted Kim as saying there was no reason to remain

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committed to his moratorium because the US had not reciprocated, but it continued to

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hold joint military drills with South Korea and send advanced weapons to the South.

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In situations like this, what Trump is doing is not saying, hey, it's the carrot or the

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stick.

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What he's doing is providing a pretext which rogue actors can use to justify horrible shit.

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Trump pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal unilaterally and imposed harsh sanctions on

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them when, according to all experts on the matter, Iran was complying with the deal.

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Trump made some kind of a deal with Kim Jong Un, which Un feels has not been honored.

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Both of these are examples of really shitty foreign relations, which make the possibility

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of an outbreak of hostilities more likely than they were before.

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Trump isn't trying to create peace, he's fucking with people, and the civilians are the ones

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who are going to pay the price ultimately.

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This is ghoulish stuff, and for Alex to cheerlead this sort of bullshit is pretty upsetting.

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It's pretty bad.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's kind of mind-boggling.

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It really is.

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And even that thought process of like, oh, well, we did something stupid, so they're

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going to respond proportionally, and we can respond proportionally to that, that's just

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dumb.

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I mean, it's just really, really dumb.

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We have all of human history to point out how dumb that is.

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We can't boil down global conflict into a Hatfields versus the McCoys situation, where

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you take one, I take one, and we just do this forever and ever.

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That's fucking incredible.

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Yeah.

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And it's not right.

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No.

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No, it's not right.

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It's not right.

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I mean, Trump just fucking presses a button, and a dude dies, and that means that because

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Trump is a fucking lunatic, now people who have nothing to do with that shit are going

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to die.

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That's just a thing.

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Or at least are far more likely.

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The situation we find ourselves in is one of escalation as opposed to closer to progress.

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And there's no way that you can negotiate anything with Trump now.

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It doesn't seem like it.

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If you're Iran, there's no way to negotiate peace.

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Fuck the Iran part.

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No.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You're anybody.

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You're anybody.

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Why would you?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You can't trust anyone.

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No.

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Okay.

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We've negotiated this.

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Well, anything that he's ever negotiated, he's just reneged on.

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So you can only even deescalate this war after Trump is gone.

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Right.

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That's it.

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And even then, you'll probably be a little bit wary.

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Because who's the next president?

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And is he going to just decide to tear up this agreement too?

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Yeah.

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You know?

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I don't know.

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It's fucked up.

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Yeah.

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The sort of optics of it are really troubling for... But I guess that's kind of the end

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result of us having such a de-emphasis on diplomacy, particularly the last few years.

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It's just a mess.

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It is well and truly fucked up, yeah.

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But see, the thing is, the globalists, right?

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They're the ones who are doing all this stuff.

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I really feel like it's still just Trump and his guys.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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No, but I really do.

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Okay.

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Never mind.

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So the globalists wanted to embarrass Trump with the situation at the embassy in Iraq.

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That was their plan.

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But now, Trump has gone and done this assassination, which ruined the globalists' plans or blocked

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it somehow.

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Now, we're going to listen to this clip.

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I would posit that the way Alex is framing this is very much a positive thing.

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If his blood enemies are the globalists and they were trying to embarrass his hero and

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his hero stopped their plans to embarrass him through this assassination, it must be

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a good thing.

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They want to use Iran to embarrass Trump, just like Jimmy Carter was in 1979, and Trump

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has acted decisively so far to block that and for now is winning the political war.

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But what will happen in the next phase?

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Are you afraid to go to the mailbox because of letter after letter from the IRS?

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Caught up by the break there.

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Oh, man.

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He has a lot of commercials about tax settlement.

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One syllable away from cutting to break on time, and it's just ghastly.

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I see that Alex is pretty regularly giving lip service to the idea of we don't know what

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comes next, that kind of thing.

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We don't know how they're going to respond.

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It's a dangerous possibility, but at the same time, everything that he's putting this...

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The language surrounding it is Trump made a big political win.

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It's a bold move.

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The surrounding adjectives that he uses are very positive.

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It's a soft pressure campaign to influence people into thinking that regardless of whether

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or not they want war with Iran, Trump is right.

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It feels that way.

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Trump is right to do what he did.

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Right.

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And you know what?

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It's defensive in a certain sense because the Ayatollah, he taunted Trump.

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And what did the Ayatollah say to Trump?

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He taunted Trump before the Soleimani strike said, you can do nothing.

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You can't do any thing.

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Now why would he say that?

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Again, think about the treason of people that claim they're American citizens, even though

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they're globalist of John Kerry and Barack Obama, who traveled the world from Korea to

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Japan to China, to Iran, to Israel, to Germany, to the UK, to Canada, to Argentina, Brazil.

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Saying don't listen to Trump.

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He's going to be gone soon.

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He's a loser.

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He's an idiot.

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If you embarrass him by sinking some ships in the Strait of Hormuz or in the Persian

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Gulf, that'll help remove him back at home and he's not going to get the backing.

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So John Kerry and Obama are apparently not US citizens because they're globalists who

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run all over the world like little Carmen Sandiego's whispering into world leaders'

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ears that they should embarrass Trump.

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Are you listening to this childish horse shit?

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I'm boggled.

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Yeah.

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This is bananas.

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Again, Alex is using vagueness as a weapon.

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Okay, so you're asserting that Kerry and Obama told these foreign heads of state to sink

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ships in the Strait of Hormuz.

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Prove it.

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That's a serious accusation that Alex can in no way substantiate past saying, that's

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how I feel.

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I feel that that's the case.

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Well, if you read the tea leaves, get the fuck out of here.

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Back that statement up or retract that shit.

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There's really, I don't know if we've heard a good present day episode where I don't think

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we have at least middling grounds for a defamation lawsuit.

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And they're public figures.

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There's a part of our foreign relations community that almost certainly has been putting out

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a vibe of like Trump's going to be gone eventually, but that's probably because he's threatening

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longstanding alliances and relationships between countries.

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People who've dedicated their lives to international relations work aren't going to see Trump get

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elected, watch him rant about how our closest allies aren't paying enough into NATO and

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just shrug and be like, well, I guess he's the boss now.

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This is what we do.

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Yeah, no kidding.

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It's against their lives' work.

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Of course they would be trying to reassure people that they have longstanding relations

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with.

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They're like, hey, please, please look, I know, whatever.

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But the accusation that any of them are going to go around and tell countries to commit

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provocative actions like sinking ships, that really needs to be substantiated.

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And Alex is never going to do that because he's making this shit up.

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Look, the issue is, too, that these Iranian mullahs, they're duplicitous.

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And in talking about that, Alex drops in a phrase.

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It's interesting.

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I mean, when you think about the Iranian mullahs and triple, quadruple games of chess, it's

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not even strategic.

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It's mental illness.

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Straight shooting is the most sophisticated thing in the universe.

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Innocence is the most sophisticated thing.

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It's so simple, it's complex.

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These guys don't get it.

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They don't get the Christian or Anglo-Saxon Legos or Nexus or Genesis.

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Very sad.

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It's very smart, folks.

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Just to point this out, I've never heard Alex talk about logos before.

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And you can tell that he's new to the concept because he pronounced it Legos.

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That's E. Michael Jones shit.

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Alex is drifting in that territory.

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He's drifting in that direction.

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The idea that he's talking about these Iranian mullahs, mullahs not having Anglo-Saxon Legos.

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Yeah.

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That's not good.

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That's a pretty bad sign.

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Oh, man.

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What is this?

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What is he?

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Zen now?

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I guess.

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The most complex thing is the simplicity.

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Simplicity.

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Yeah.

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Shut the fuck up.

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Be like water.

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Say words or stop.

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Right.

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Stop.

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Don't even tell me about straight shooting when you're just lying to my face all the

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time.

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That's infuriating.

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And later he's going to talk about Trump being engaged in this 4D chess stuff where it's

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like he makes a move, but it's really about something like that's not straight shooting.

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Yes, but straight shooting is the best way to trick people into thinking that you're

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straight shooting.

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Everything is like fucking convoluted and nonsensical, and he's accusing Obama and Kerry

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and the general McMaster types of going around and telling Iran to sink ships and stuff like

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that.

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So it makes it more funny when he says this about why people don't want him on air.

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Please remember how we reach new people is when you share the links at Infowars.com forward

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slash show band.video and the Alex Jones section and more.

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That's how we reach new people.

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Remember, they're trying to ban this show because we're really covering real facts and

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the establishment doesn't want you thinking about how the world really works, who the

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different factions are.

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They just want you to mindlessly take a side.

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Well, we do have a side and it's called the truth.

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Like to remind you that we mindlessly took, I'd like to remind you that under oath, when

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asked about his show, he said that it's mostly opinion and he's just talking about his feelings.

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But no, they want me off air because this is the truth.

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I'm telling you how the world really works.

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Fuck out of here.

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Yeah.

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So Alex comes back from break and he's talking about how Iran is muscling through the Middle

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East and how eventually then it's going to be the West, essentially saying that this

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is a world domination plan.

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When you're using rhetoric like this and this is the way you're framing things, it really

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is a justification for a war.

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And I don't think that that is an unfair way to characterize what's behind what he's saying.

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Iran is muscling its way through the Middle East.

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It believes it can topple the other Islamic regimes.

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And if that happens, you'll have an organized Islamic force even more deadly with 3 billion

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Muslims ready to take over what's left of the rotting West.

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So long term, taking Iran out of the control of the Islamists that captured the secular

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country and 70 plus percent in internal polls hate it.

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And if we could take that away from the radical Islamists, that'd be a big victory for humanity,

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wouldn't it?

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Wow.

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So, yeah, I mean, like the unpopularity of the regime in Iran is not really a justification

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for this at all.

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I don't know.

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I don't feel like this argument is very good.

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Well, all I can tell you is that every other time that the United States has fucked around

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with regime change in Iran, it has worked out perfectly.

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And every time that you've we've prefaced things with like, you know, hey, the people

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would really love it if we did.

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We're lying.

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It's not really worked out that way.

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No, no, no, no.

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If you watch if you watch those videos of people screaming death to America and you

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don't at least go, well, I understand how we got here, then you're disingenuous liar.

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Like that's the only way.

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So one of the things I think was probably the one of the hardest hurdles that Alex needs

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to clear is the fact that Trump did this without informing Congress.

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Right.

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Like that's pretty problematic for Alex's beliefs about the war powers that the president

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should or should not have.

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Right.

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He likes the Constitution.

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Right.

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Loves it.

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Loves it.

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Can't get it.

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It's not the Constitution.

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I don't think that's true.

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It's not.

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But it turns out that this secrecy was totally fine.

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And Alex will tell you why.

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He's not telling anybody what's going on.

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He's fired the moles in the National Security Council.

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He's really Pelosi.

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And the House and Senate Intelligence Committee, what he's doing now and you know why?

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Because they're globalist, a lot of them, and they're leaking the information.

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Oh, fun.

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I didn't know that that was all you needed.

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That's all the excuse you needed to subvert the Constitution?

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That's all you needed.

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Everyone is.

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They're all moles.

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I've just decided they're all globalists.

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They're all moles.

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Cool.

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I think what we should do is target political enemies, call them traitors, and remove them

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from power.

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That's how you get a more perfect democracy, Dan.

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Sure.

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I guess that all of Alex's protestations about former military actions that were taken without

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the approval of Congress could all just be, you know, it's no big deal as long as...

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Those were globalists.

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We just say that, hey, he would have told Congress, but they're globalists.

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Cool.

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Great.

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It's really kind of funny to me that as Brexit is going on, it's like Boris Johnson is trying

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to sell England into a United States colony and at the same time, the United States has

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a bunch of people trying to turn the president into a king.

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So it's a twist of events, I find.

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That's weird.

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Yeah.

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So Alex gets down to business and he keeps calling the decision that Trump made bold.

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And I think that that's something worth highlighting.

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And so it's very bold to not just sink some Iranian patrol boat or hit some militia with

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some more fighter jets.

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That's what Bill Clinton did when he was very unpopular in an impeachment.

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Yes.

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You know, they're running the headlines everywhere, which I think we should look at because it's

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bring up that parallel, those headlines, one of them's on DrudgeReport.com of Bill Clinton

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impeach bombs, Iraq impeachment vote in house delayed as Clinton launches, Iraq airstrike

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trying to military need to move swiftly.

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But you see, nothing actually happened in Iraq when he did that already bombed an aspirin

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factory in Sudan before that as a distraction.

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And that was confirmed.

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This is real.

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What?

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Been attacked.

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The embassy was attacked because they've been probing and we've been putting up with it.

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And so instead of bombing an aspirin factory, Trump boldly killed the leader of the organization

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that has sleeper cells inside the United States and inside Europe.

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And now that's the gamble.

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They may really strike, even though that'll blow up in their face and the U.S. will retaliate

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even bigger as could escalate into a wider regional war.

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They're definitely gonna try to block the Strait of Hormuz and drive up oil prices.

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That's already starting to happen.

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And so this is a really bad decision, but it's one of the best decisions you could make

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out of a list of even worse decisions.

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So just for fun, Steve Pachanic, when he's on later, Alex brings up the idea of sleeper

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cells and Steve's like, that's not a big deal.

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So that might be a little bit of a disagreement on the show.

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That'll happen.

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So largely, I would agree with Alex that this was a bad decision, but I'm gonna take issue

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with the characterization that it was the best on a list of worst choices.

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Considering there was an actual list, according to the New York Times, and it was supposedly

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the worst on that list, and almost comically the worst on that list.

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It would be fucked up if we did this.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's how it's on the list.

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Yeah.

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Sure.

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The U.S. Embassy was targeted, and that's not good.

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And you'd think that you'd need to do something to respond to that.

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But assassinating an Iranian government official, I don't even think that should be on the list

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of possible choices.

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Particularly considering that that standoff at the embassy had already ended by the time

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Trump ordered the drone strikes.

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According to USA Today, quote, militia leaders of the Popular Mobilization Forces ultimately

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ordered supporters to retreat, declaring the demonstration a win in the battle to expel

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U.S. troops from Iraq.

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There was no immediate threat.

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There was a situation to deal with.

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So targeted assassination is probably not appropriate.

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I'm not certain I know specifically what a good decision would have been, but that's

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only because I would never be in this situation we find ourselves in to begin with.

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None of this would probably be happening if Trump hadn't arbitrarily exited the Iran nuclear

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deal and then applied severe sanctions, which kind of destroys the framework that it was

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building for our two countries to have a stronger understanding and hopefully some sort of progress

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between the two.

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After that point, yeah, I guess all options are bad.

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But still, this was not the best of a list of bad choices.

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I just feel like Alex is trying to rationalize the possibility of an upcoming war.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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That's really all I feel.

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He's setting the groundwork so he can be like, yeah, it's the final war.

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It's the holy war.

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We're taking it.

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Jesus is coming back.

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And create at least some sort of a pretense that he didn't want it to come to this.

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Yeah, this is all.

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I don't know what would be the best reaction, but I know if I were somebody who went on

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air every day and screamed about Jesus and God for several hours, I would at least look

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into what Jesus would feel about the war.

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Drones don't come up in the Bible.

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That's true.

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I guess Jesus would be fine with it.

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Now, that said, Alex has been very against drone stuff in the past and probably fairly

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rightly.

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He took Obama to task about the drone programs.

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Alex doesn't seem to be too concerned with that now.

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And now he calls this peace through strength.

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But let's roll some of the footage of the strike from the Reaper drones.

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The robot did the killing.

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And then we'll show you some of the footage from the ground as well.

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But those guys thought they were untouchable.

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They thought they were working with the deep state.

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They thought Trump was weak.

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Well, now they think different.

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So I think Trump, who's shown real restraint when the deep state's trying to set him up

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with this Iran conflict, let them know, hey, we're serious.

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And so you better understand that when you escalate, it's going to get a lot more serious

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from there on.

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And I think that's peace through strength.

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It's a gamble.

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Things should go desperately wrong.

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I think we're going to find out very, very soon how they're going to respond.

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They've got to respond to look strong.

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I don't care about any of that stuff.

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It's nonsense.

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Oh, the robot did the killing.

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Yep.

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Great.

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So Alex already has brought up the parallel to Clinton when he was under impeachment bombing

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some stuff.

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And apparently AOC, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, has come out and said that Trump is wagging

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the dog.

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Yes.

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And Alex takes great issue with her comments.

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Oh, by the way, she's saying that Trump's doing this to wag the dog.

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Clinton was super unpopular.

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Not true.

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By the system.

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Trump's super popular.

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I've been saying that for years.

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Now even their own internal polls show he's just insanely popular.

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Every Democrat I know that is a person who has stop it.

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Stop it.

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Room temperature supports Trump now because the Democrats are so dangerous grow has been

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a systemic break with the Democrats.

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Everyone knows they work for the globalist and hate America.

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I don't I don't know like what kind of self-selecting Democrats hang out with Alex.

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I don't.

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I can't imagine there being any.

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If you were, you'd probably just be like, yeah, Trump's great.

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Yeah.

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Don't want to fight.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There's no way to come around.

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There's no conversation to have there.

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And if you still want to maintain a friendship with, uh, for instance, like, uh, my family,

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I'm just like, dogs are fun.

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You guys have kids, grades say nothing else.

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I don't know if you know this, Jordan, but, uh, Gallup keeps historical data of presidential

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approval ratings week by week for pretty much all modern presidents that you can easily

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look up, which I decided to do clearly.

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If I recall correctly, in 1998, Bill Clinton had a negative five percent approval rating.

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So look, more people dead did not approve of him.

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Right.

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Alex is going on about how Trump isn't wagging the dog because he's super popular, whereas

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Bill Clinton was because he was, uh, he was super unpopular, uh, when, uh, he went out

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of bombing.

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Yeah.

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When Froggy went out of courting and, uh, Clinton went out of bombing.

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So right now, Trump has a forty two point five percent approval rating with a fifty

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three percent disapproval rating according to the aggregate compiled by five thirty eight.

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According to Real Clear Politics, they have their listing of recent polls.

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Literally none of them have Trump with a net positive approval number.

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The average of their polls have Trump at a negative seven.

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And the only glimmer of hope is a recent Rasmussen poll at the end of twenty nineteen to put

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Trump at even numbers fifty fifty.

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And it should be pointed out that this was not a poll of registered voters, just people

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who said they were likely to vote.

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So and it's a Rasmussen poll.

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So you've got a well, there's a little less three bias on that a little bit.

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Something like that.

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There's a slight conservative trend.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Not terribly.

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Yeah.

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So Politico has Trump at negative fifteen.

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NBC Wall Street Journal has him at negative ten.

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The Economist at negative nine.

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His numbers are not good.

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These approval ratings are decidedly underwater.

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And with the level of dislike Trump has, it's pretty high.

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So the odds of him turning things around aren't good.

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There's just not many people he could sway at this point.

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Yeah.

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And didn't Bill get up to like 70 at one point?

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That dude was wildly popular for a while.

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So the movie Wag the Dog was released very shortly before Clinton launched Operation

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Infinite Reach, which involved bombings in Afghanistan and Sudan.

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This operation began on August 20th, 1998, at which point Clinton's approval rating was

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65 percent approval and 30 percent disapproval.

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By December 1998, Clinton was admits to his impeachment trial.

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In that setting, he started bombing Iraq, which again made people think of the movie.

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That bombing campaign started on December 16th, 1998, at which point Clinton's approval

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rating was 63 percent approval and 33 percent disapproval.

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After that bombing campaign, his numbers jumped to 73 percent approval, but they quickly came

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back to the high to mid 60s almost immediately.

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After January 1996, Clinton never had an approval rating lower than 50 percent.

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At no point during his dog wagging phase was Clinton's approval rating anywhere near as

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bad as Trump's is right now.

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Alex is either in complete denial or he's gaslighting his audience into thinking his

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hero is actually beloved.

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Yeah.

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There's no other way to...

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Whatever the case, this isn't the reality.

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This is just his feelings.

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That's not even false.

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That's upside down reality.

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It's the complete inversion of reality.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So we get more talk of how bold this was from Trump here.

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And then after this, Alex starts taking calls and I think this is where the show starts

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to get a little bit like, oh no.

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Okay.

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Oh no.

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All right.

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So here's our last sort of normal period of the show where Alex is pretending to be covering

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the Iran situation, but not really doing much of anything.

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Well, President Trump did something very bold yesterday instead of blowing up some Shiite

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militia in response to their attack on the U.S. Embassy, he killed Soleimani, who's basically

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the leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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They say he's the number two guy, but he ran the show.

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I know this song now, guys.

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So now Alex is escalating this to he is the head of Iran.

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So like this makes it even more of a severe act.

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We assassinated the leader of a sovereign nation.

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And that's a bold move, Dan.

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That shouldn't be something that Alex says.

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No, no, no, no.

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That's fine.

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It's be it just be like if we assassinated Xi Jinping, that'd be fine, Dan.

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Alex might be fine with that.

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I actually think he would be fine with that.

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Okay, fine.

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Let's go with fucking Angela Merkel.

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I think he'd be fine with that too.

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He does not like her.

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Damn it.

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Damn it.

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It's a very serious thing, even in reality.

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And the way Alex is framing it escalates things even further.

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And he's normalizing and rationalizing that, which is pretty scary.

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It's where, what, what, what is too far?

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Nothing.

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Nothing.

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So Alex goes to the phones and this first caller that he takes is a fan and he feels

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like Alex has betrayed him a little bit.

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I hope so.

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Thanks for calling.

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What's on your mind?

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I just really worried about the direction we're headed right now.

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Looks like we've drifted a long way since, since we're on Paul, if I could just start

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off real quick, just so you know that my wife says I'm your biggest fan.

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So

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I'm a big fan of you folks keeping the defiance of the globalist.

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So God bless you, brother.

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I've spent thousands, thousands on your store.

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I could probably give you the best product push you've ever had, but

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that will give us the product push.

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I haven't done one yet this hour and you know, we're barely keeping it the size we are.

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So we need folks to buy the products.

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They're great products.

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Which products do you like best?

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I think I have almost every one of your products, but I can't, I can't do a push for your products.

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Right now.

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I can't.

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I understand.

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I thought I was just, you were segueing.

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I mean, if you'd like to go ahead.

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Sure.

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Well, what's your take on, you said drone strikes, Obama, sleeper cells, due process.

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So real quick, before we get to his answer, that moment is heartbreaking.

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That moment of push your products right now.

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Yeah.

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I've been your biggest fan.

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I've spent thousands of dollars at your store.

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My wife says I'm your biggest fan, all this like, and Alex is like, Oh, this is going

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to be, he doesn't even recognize the, like, I like the, he doesn't know the meaning of

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that.

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No, no.

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He's like, Hey, you want to do a plug?

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Let's do it.

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Yeah.

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Alex.

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Now's not the time.

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You're not understanding me.

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Yeah.

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I'm trying to tell you.

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Yeah.

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And he, Alex should recognize this.

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He opened the call by saying we've drifted a long way from the Ron Paul day.

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Right.

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Like Alex should be keenly aware that this caller is not calling to compliment him.

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Sure.

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Um, but he doesn't recognize, um, and here's, here's what the caller has to say.

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I just feel like we've drifted a long way from, you know, pulling out and becoming,

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uh, fiscally responsible, uh, but I understand, but they've got us caught, sir.

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They've got, here's the deal.

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I don't want this war.

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I don't like what happened yesterday.

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Okay.

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You know, it doesn't make me get excited in a way of like feeling tough and powerful,

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but at the same time, you understand that the globalist are working with Iran at a certain

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level to try to make Trump look stupid.

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And they can only make him look stupid by coercing him into a war, uh, the best way

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to make him.

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And our entire party has become very, very different from, uh, from where we were when

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we were with, uh, when we were supporting Ron Paul and it just, that is the way it is.

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So I think that this caller, he does something really interesting, which is a rebuttal within

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Alex's framework.

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Yeah.

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Because even if you do believe that the globalist are trying to manipulate this shit, the answer

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within the framework is, well, the only way that that is successful is if Trump goes to

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war.

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Yeah.

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So don't support this shit.

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Like even within Alex's constructed world of, of intrigue and conspiracy, still he's

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doing the wrong thing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think this caller, like, I mean, the thing is wrong about stuff and I feel bad he spent

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all that money at the store, but I do, I think that his point that we've come a long way

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from Ron Paul is accurate.

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And that Alex's behavior is, um, a contradiction of, of so much of what you would expect his

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brand to be if you've been a fan of his for a long time.

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And it would be completely different if Alex one day had gotten on air and been like, look,

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I know we've been one thing for a really long time, but I realized that's not it.

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That's like what I was saying along, like for, uh, if he invalidated a large portion

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of his past intentionally to be like, I have recognized that the true path is through.

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Yeah.

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Antagonizing the Muslim world.

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If he had a Saul of Tarsus moment, if you will.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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If, um, if he had something like that, then it would make it a lot more understandable

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for the fans because they could then assess, do I want to come along for this or do I want

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to say, Hey, uh, this isn't for me anymore.

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And Alex isn't allowing his audience that opportunity.

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And I think that that's probably not good.

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Yeah.

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What he just said there, I, I, I constitute is almost abuse like that.

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Like, Hey, no, no, no, no.

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I understand.

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Like, cause then he recognized, Oh no, I'm, I'm getting attacked from my own, uh, my own

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folk here for my massive failings.

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And he's like, no, no, no, no.

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I don't want a war either, but we have to have a war as the globalists.

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And you know, nobody, you've never heard that before.

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You've never heard anybody say that they don't want a war and we have to have one.

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They always say they want a war, right?

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Right.

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Yeah.

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That's the only color that expresses some pretty, pretty good disapproval.

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I mean today or that Friday is, is gotta be like listening to that has to be a massive

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betrayal of everything that they believe among other betrayals.

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I think, I think it's getting to a point, I'm only guessing here, just imagining what

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it would be like to be one of his listeners.

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If you are somebody who has a modicum of awareness and thinks a bit, it would be very difficult

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to experience this constant dissonance between what this was supposed to be and what Alex

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is doing.

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And I think it would be really difficult to not feel like when, if Alex isn't going to

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say enough at some point, when do I, what is the point at which I realize that this

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is off the rails?

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Yeah.

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And if I say enough to Alex, do I say enough to Trump?

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Do I say enough to everything?

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What do, what am I saying enough to when I say enough to Alex?

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It's a, it's an interesting situation that I would imagine a number of his listeners

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are in.

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I don't, I don't know.

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It would be just guessing to say like it's a lot of them or at least based on the calls

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on this episode, it seems like there is at least some of that sentiment that's getting

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through on air.

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Yeah.

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I think it's pretty interesting.

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Like if I, anytime I try and put myself in that mindset, regardless of like the beliefs

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or opinions or anything with no context there, it just has to be an identity crisis.

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Sure.

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Like that's the only way that I can like empathize with a Alex Jones listener beyond, you know,

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it's just imagine if all of a sudden Bernie Sanders is like, actually this war is fucking

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great.

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You know, that's an identity crisis there.

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Like who the fuck is this guy?

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Yeah.

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Or, or something even more sort of slippery, like, um, like what Alex is doing.

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This war isn't great, but we have to do it even more like, uh, who are you, man?

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I've heard those words before from the mouths of people you said were evil.

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So Alex takes another call and this guy, uh, believes that we owe Iran overthrowing their

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government because of the Shaw or something because of the other times we've overthrown

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their government.

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We did bad the last time.

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Right.

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So we need to make up for it this time by getting rid of the Ayatollah.

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As everybody knows, a repeating history is a brilliant idea.

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It certainly is.

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Yeah.

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It just says they got rid of the Shaw.

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I think us, uh, always the Iranian people, basically a payback to the Ayatollahs because

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they brought him in and I think us needs to help the Iranian people just to empower them,

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like harm them, send them to support the restart movement.

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What do you think about that group?

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So this caller claims to be the child of a former Iranian counterintelligence couple,

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like his parents were counterintelligence in the Iranian regime and they were driven

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out of the country when the Ayatollah came to power.

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Right.

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I have no idea if that's true or not.

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This is just a random person calling into a very dumb radio show.

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So take that claim however you feel like taking it.

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Whatever the reality is, I'm certain that Alex would have argued against his parents

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immigrating to the United States if he'd had a chance to back them.

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The only reason I cut this clip is because Alex, at the end there is voicing support

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for something I've not heard him express support for, which is the restart Iran movement.

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Restart Iran was started by Saeed Mohamed Hosseini, a former game show host who wants

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to restart the country.

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According to a 2018 piece in Bloomberg, he hasn't been to Iran since 2011 and quote today

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he lives in America and urges Iranians to burn mosques and to face police stations.

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Hosseini began spreading our mosques in Iran.

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Okay, I gotcha.

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Hosseini began spreading his message on Telegram, ultimately having his account removed after

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encouraging people to throw rocks through government buildings and film it to post with

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his hashtag, which Telegram considered a quote, a vandalism contest.

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That just got him a warning though, after which point he raised the stakes and told

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his followers to throw Molotov cocktails into mosques.

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That might be too far.

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All in all, he seems like a pretty fucked up dude.

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That sounds like it.

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I don't particularly want to litigate the properness of violent protest in the face

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of an oppressive regime since I accept that there are good arguments on both sides of

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that discussion.

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However, I do think that someone like Hosseini trying to encourage that kind of behavior

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while living in the United States and not having been to Iran in about a decade is something

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that I find to not be a good model for positive social progress.

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Probably not.

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I think that Alex just likes Hosseini because he has publicly compared himself to Trump

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a number of times in the past, highlighting how they're both former TV stars who want

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to improve their countries.

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Alex is painfully susceptible to people who make their brand, I'm X country's version

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of Trump.

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He just can't, it's catnip to him.

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He's like, oh, I love you.

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It's ridiculous.

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And if they're famous, he is very much a star fucker.

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That does seem to be the case too.

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So this caller says that, you know, hey, Trump, we got to support him because there's got

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to be imaginary intelligence that we don't know about.

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No, there doesn't.

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When will people learn?

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There doesn't have to be imaginary intelligence.

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They're willing to lie.

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Well, there's imaginary intelligence.

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Don't get it twisted.

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And then this person, the conversation steers into divine provenance.

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We can't just say, OK, look at this one issue and say he's made a bad decision.

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Now, you know, should I vote for him?

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Should I not vote for him?

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I cannot believe it because there's so much he cannot tell us that Intel can't tell us.

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There's so much going on that if we did know everything that's going on, we would say,

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oh, I completely understand.

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We need to have trust and faith that God, I personally believe that God has chosen Trump

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to be the president of the United States and he will lead us down these dark paths.

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But soon to come, there will be light.

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I personally believe that.

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OK.

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OK.

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Oh, you should stop believing that.

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Yeah.

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I strongly disagree.

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When you're on a show that's complaining about a theocracy in Iran, don't say that your president

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was chosen by God.

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I don't understand why there's a problem there.

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There's a slight problem.

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Right.

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That's I would say that that is a purely unacceptable way of thinking.

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Yeah.

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You know, like, yes, regardless of just that idea of like, well, you know.

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He made one bad decision, so we still have to support him is like, OK, he put green peppers

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on the pizza and you don't like green peppers.

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I get it.

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You still support the guy as president.

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He starts World War Three.

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I think then we need to start talking about other options.

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I even understand.

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You know, I even understand that kind of mentality being acceptable in terms of like kind of

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border cases.

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Yeah.

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You know, like there's sometimes geopolitical decisions that have really negative consequences

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that may or may not be justifiable.

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Yeah.

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In those cases, you can kind of take a position of, hey, that was really bad, but that doesn't

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make you.

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Right.

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But I don't think that applies.

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There's a difference of process versus results through, you know, like that's why it's important

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to show your work.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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And that's why it's important to rely on vague ideas of imaginary intelligence.

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Exactly.

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But I do agree with the premise that the caller is saying, and that is that there's a ton

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of stuff we don't know.

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Sure.

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Now, it's left to be seen until we know whether or not the the secret stuff is exculpatory

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or makes Trump look worse.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's unclear.

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It's unclear.

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And this guy's instant assumption is that like, well, yeah, everything that we don't

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know justifies all of this.

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And that's why we got to keep keep supporting the God King.

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It's like, I'm.

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I'm just boggled by that idea of any time somebody has asked for evidence from Trump

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regarding any possible thing, it is always worse for him.

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Right.

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There is nothing nobody's ever been like, oh, well, this evidence proves Trump is it's

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either we're not going to share any evidence or the evidence we do share makes him look

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like a psychopath.

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It seems that way.

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Yeah.

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So there's a preoccupation that the embassy situation in Baghdad was supposed to be Trump's

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Benghazi.

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This is something that keeps coming up, this comparing Benghazi to the embassy.

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And you see that here a little bit.

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The neocons in the CIA wanted a war, so they made a little pact with their leftist friends

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in the CIA that they could have a, you know, a Benghazi situation.

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But either way, the deep state wins.

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And then Trump comes out of left field.

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He's like, I'll just kill their leaders.

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He totally, you know, ran a sign up on the deep state and won and projected American

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power boosted.

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In fact, Richard, I'm so glad you called because right before I went live, I even wrote notes

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that I was going to say this, that if people think they're 3-D chess, you just saw it from

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Trump.

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This smells of Trump.

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It's him.

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I get chills.

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I mean, I mean, I agree.

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It smells of him.

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Let's not start.

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You know what?

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And yet, like the Wolf says in Pulp Fiction.

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But right now, it looks like a masterstroke by Trump, just saying masterstroke.

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This caller is laughing about the the the attack.

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This is all very positive stuff like there isn't really outside of a couple of callers

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who are like, you know, expressing the thing like the guy who's like, we've drifted from

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Ron Paul type stuff.

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There's not as much negative expression.

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And when it does come, it comes in like really fucked up ways like the next caller.

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Let's just go ahead and get to that, because this is kind of a negative like this attack

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wasn't good, but the way it's expressed is deeply, deeply troubling.

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First off, with Iran, we need to treat Iran like a bee's nest.

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What do you do with a bee's nest in your yard?

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You have two options, either stay away from it or wait until the evening comes.

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Let every bee come home to nest and then spray it, kill every single one and destroy the

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nest.

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These Iranians, they literally believe that it's up to them to bring the apocalypse in

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the end of the world.

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And if they can do this, they win.

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They believe that the 12th Iman is just going to show up in Iran and save them all.

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So this caller is expressing like this attack isn't good because we need to do is leave

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them alone or commit genocide.

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This is not acceptable stuff to be like discussing on this radio show that this is not like Alex

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shouldn't be, like Alex engages with the bee's nest metaphor after this.

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You shouldn't be doing that.

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You should push back on that.

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This guy is explicitly using a metaphor that is complete isolation or eradication.

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One of the two.

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Those are the only two options because all Iranians are, you know, they want to bring

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the end of the world.

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And that just is not, there's no way.

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There's no way that there that that can be appropriate as conversation.

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No, I just don't.

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I just don't man.

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I don't I because I'm I'm I'm on a very difficult.

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That's just psychopathic murderer shit.

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Like you can't.

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It's genocide.

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That's right.

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But I mean, this guy's this guy's an idiot, whatever.

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You know, he's never going to be able to do genocide or anything.

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But that thought process is very much, you know, in his world, fucking psychopathic murderer

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shit.

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All right.

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And I would not.

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My complaint about it.

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I don't want to be in a domestic relationship with him.

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My complaint about it is twofold.

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One, it's a horrible perspective that this caller has.

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And two, when Alex allows callers to call in and express these sorts of things and not

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push back on him and not discuss why that is a dangerous idea, it has the effect of

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normalizing it.

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It has the effect of like, oh, that is a position that Alex deemed worth entertaining.

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And for any impressionable listeners, they're going to be much less shocked by the concept

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of extermination and just the way that it's being discussed.

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Yeah.

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Like this stuff.

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This is a tragedy.

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Even if you think that even if you think honestly, in the long term, that this is better, this

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is all a fucking tragedy.

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It should be talked about as such.

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Yeah.

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It should center on the civilians and the people who are being foisted into this position

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by this geopolitical shit.

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So I would argue that, I mean, we're recording this on the 5th, we're five days into 2020

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and I'm not into it.

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I did think that 2019 was a bad year, but 2020 is really shaping up to be a doozy.

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It's a small sample size.

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So maybe the year will get better.

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You know, it's an intense beginning to the year.

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Alex has a slightly different take.

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Sure.

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One thing for sure, 2020 is going to be amazing in, I think, every way.

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And just mythically, the iconography, just the numbers alone, it's going to be incredible.

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It already is.

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Let's go ahead now and take another call here.

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So I think that it's going to be incredible in his position because, I mean, how did he

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start the show?

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Record traffic.

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Yeah.

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These sorts of events have a tendency towards giving him hope that his business is viable.

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Right.

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Right.

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This year is going to be incredible.

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Right.

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Nobody knows what the hell is going on.

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So let's see what the crazy person has to say.

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He's willing to give us cold comfort.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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So let's take a little break.

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Sure.

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From the show.

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And enjoy a commercial.

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I was listening to, I accidentally left it on during the commercials, during the feed.

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And it turns out that Ted Anderson, the guy who runs Genesis Communications Network and

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formerly Midas Resources before he had his gold sale license revoked by the state of

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Minnesota.

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And Alex had to probably help him pay off some legal fees, maybe.

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Anyway, this guy still running scams.

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Okay.

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Turns out.

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I was going to say, I didn't, I kind of thought he faded into the background, but okay.

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I have a reason to believe that he was the reason that Alex did that sort of infomercial

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with Jeunesse because Alex and the Infowars brand didn't seem to end up working with Jeunesse.

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Right.

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But Genesis Communications Network did.

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Okay.

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On the Genesis Communications feed of Alex's show, you'll hear commercials where George

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Norrie promotes the Infowars life, or I'm sorry, the Genesis life.

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The Jeunesse.

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Yeah.

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It is Jeunesse, but sold through Genesis Communications Network.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Gotcha.

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So George Norrie from Coast to Coast AM has cut a commercial for them that airs.

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And so that seems to be maybe the scam that Ted is on more these days.

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Ted is more on the pyramid scheme.

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It seems like the MLM multi-level marketing is there, but he's got another thing cooking

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and it's a little bit of a sweepstakes.

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How would you like to hit the range tomorrow with a brand new gun?

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Because the United States Concealed Carry Association wants to give you a free gun right

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now.

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That's right.

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Completely free.

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The USCCA is here to give every responsibly armed American the education, training, legal

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and financial protection they need.

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And today they're giving you not one, but four free chances to win $1,000.

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Simply text GCN to 87222 to get entered now and you'll get four free chances to win $1,000

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for any gun you want.

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I think they have to do that because it might be illegal to have a gun sweepstakes.

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To have a gun sweepstakes.

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Yeah.

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I was going to say.

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Yeah.

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I don't think you're allowed to just give away guns.

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So there's two things that are interesting about this.

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One is, this is bullshit, but then second, it tells me that Genesis Communications can't

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be in good financial positioning because if they were, why would Ted Anderson do this

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voiceover himself?

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That's fair.

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He's not good at this.

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No, he's not.

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That is not a good voiceover.

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That's a creepy voice he has.

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It leads me to suspect he can't hire a voiceover actor.

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Or, I don't know, I could see him thinking he was great.

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I could see him, you know, I could totally see him being one of those like local car

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dealer guys who's like, I am fucking amazing on TV.

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In that case, you would probably hear some sort of music in the background.

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There might be some.

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That's a good point.

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There might be the fingerprints of an editor.

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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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Whatever the case, it doesn't look good.

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Anyway, sign up to win a gun.

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Or a thousand dollars.

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Is a thousand dollars not good enough?

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I'm fine with a thousand dollars.

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Why do you gotta say, I guess, I guess it just needs to be attracted.

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Because it's being presented by a concealed carry organization or whatever.

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It's a targeted ad for, yeah.

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So Alex comes back from break.

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With a new gun.

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He's a thousand dollars richer.

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We've not heard him talk about the news that broke about his sanctions in the Sandy Hook

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case.

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The hundred thousand dollars or so that he brought upon himself.

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Now's the day to get into that apparently.

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So Alex decides here on this January third episode where he's been spouting bullshit

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about Iran.

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That's literally almost like, that's the version, that's his version of whacking the doctor.

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So Alex is, I'm gonna, I don't, I hesitate to explain this ahead of time for fear that

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it might ruin some of the surprise.

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But Alex's position on it is that there's a massive media blitz about this story.

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They're trying to present in people's minds that he lost the Sandy Hook lawsuit.

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And that the CIA is behind it.

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That is basically.

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I disagree with all three of those.

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But I think he's got a good basis.

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Maybe he'll convince you.

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Okay.

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I've spent a lot of time on this, but I really need to, I make them into a special report

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tomorrow just on it.

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They put me on every news channel and every newspaper in the country.

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I've randomly checked it.

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What?

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Okay.

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And you understand only the deep state CIA can do that.

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Trump still doesn't have damn control of it.

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The same group attacks him constantly.

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And you're like, well, why can't he stop?

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He's the president.

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They ordered it.

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They just won't quit.

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It's crazy.

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They had me on from nine at night until about 2 a.m. while the ball dropped.

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They had scrolls saying Alex Jones found guilty of lying about Sandy Hook parents.

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That's not even true.

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It was just some attorney's feast thing because the judge said we didn't answer the questions

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like we're supposed to.

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And that's not accurate either.

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They're like, what is your source of this CNN video?

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Well, CNN.

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Who is the source?

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Who gave it to you?

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Oh, you didn't tell us.

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Oh, we need $68,000 and $37,000 and I mean, it's a joke.

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It's evil.

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But that turns into Jones is guilty of the Sandy Hook.

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Why would they do that?

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Why would they take an 11 day old ruling that had been the local paper that meant nothing

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was the last year of this judge, you know, just attacking us, in my view, and the lawyers

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I know that they've never seen anything like that.

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This is insane.

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I mean, imagine a deposition.

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They ask you a question and you don't know because the statute of limitations is like

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two years.

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We're asking about seven year old videos.

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It's like, we don't know.

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It's a video we edited years ago.

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We don't know.

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You don't have the source of that.

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This is the, you have violated the court order.

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You have go to school $37,000, $20,000 in the rage to destroy the first amendment and

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their Trump derangement syndrome, but that isn't the issue.

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Yes, I'm persecuted.

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Yes.

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They pay people to tell outrageous lies about me, but why we're gonna go back to your calls

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amazing calls.

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It's because folks, we really know what we're talking about.

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I'm right about everything and that's why I say under oath that my show is mostly opinion

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and my emotions.

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I cannot believe that.

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Keep talking about my feelings.

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The only thing that an attorney would say it would respond to with, this is unbelievable.

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I've never seen this before is Rob Dues deposition.

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Right.

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That's the only thing that you could say, otherwise everything else makes perfect sense.

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No, no, no.

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If you were a lawyer and you were like reviewing Alex's behavior in this case, you'd be like,

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this is unbelievable.

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This is unreal.

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I'm going to make a killing out of this.

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And Barnes is gone.

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Good work Barnes.

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I get to take over.

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Yeah.

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It would be like, this is unbelievable.

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What a, what a payday this could be if I just keep, cause he's, Oh God.

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That's unreal.

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Yeah.

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I mean, what, what I find really interesting is that like the news of this didn't break

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on new year's Eve.

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This is like Alex clearly, I'm guessing maybe he didn't see the stories when they first

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came out.

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Just had no awareness.

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I guess not.

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I don't imagine that the ball was dropping and that people were covering Alex's court

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case.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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This is the narcissism and he's having a little bit of a breakdown about it in the middle

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of this show.

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He really does.

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I don't know.

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I don't know what it is, but he's convinced that the CIA is behind pushing

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stories about him being sanctioned.

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Now, that is one possibility.

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Another possibility is that people enjoy these kinds of stories.

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There's a shot in Freud that people experience and it's like, you got yours.

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I don't, I think listening to that, what confuses me is I really do think he fundamentally doesn't

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understand some of what's going on.

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That's cause he only reads headlines.

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Right.

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I mean with his own case.

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That's cause he only reads the headlines about them.

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That's probably fair.

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But there's some stuff he's lying about, but there's some stuff I really don't think he

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understands.

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That's what I'm saying.

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That's what I say.

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Go to school.

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I really think he just doesn't, it can't be explained to him what's wrong there.

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When he says like, oh, you can't say, I don't know in a deposition.

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I know.

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I mean, you can't.

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You can't.

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A corporate representative.

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Right.

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Can't.

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Give me your sources.

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Well, I don't have to have sources.

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No.

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You were required to provide your sources.

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It's by law.

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So you are violating court order.

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The thing that I keep bumping my head up against is like, I think it's impossible to discern

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whether or not he understands this or not.

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There'll be some sort of a tell eventually maybe, but at this point I find it to be opaque

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and it would just be guessing because it's a possibility that he doesn't understand what

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people are requiring of him.

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It's also possible that he's willfully lying about everything.

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Absolutely.

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I think both are going on.

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Yeah.

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It could be elements of both.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, this leads to Alex ranting about how great his show is because they really know

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what's going on in the world and you know what?

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It's evidenced by how great his callers are and how they don't like him today and how

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popular he is.

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They don't like him.

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Nobody in talk radio has callers like this.

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CNN can't get any good callers.

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My callers are better than Fox News's best guests.

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We've really got the thinkers.

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We've got the best guests.

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We've got the best crew.

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We're real.

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Number one podcast, 2017 Joe Rogan.

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Number one podcast, 2019 Joe Rogan, which was the number one ever in all time.

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That's in the news.

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Why wasn't I number one in 2018?

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He didn't have me on.

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So when Alex says that it's in the news, that his appearance on Rogan was the top podcast

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in the world in 2019, he's being kind of a dick.

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It wasn't in the news.

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He's referring to a blog post on national file, which is a website run by his employee,

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Tom Papper.

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It's in the news.

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In the article, it says of Alex's second appearance on Rogan quote, the podcast has since accumulated

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over 16 million views on YouTube, making it the most viewed podcast in the entire world

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in 2019.

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Elon Musk's episode with Rogan has 28 million views, but in fairness, that was in September

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2018.

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So it doesn't count for 2019.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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For some comparison, Gordon Ramsey, Shaq and Billie Eilish's episodes of Hot Ones all have

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way more views than Alex did on Rogan.

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Billie Eilish is sitting at 29 million views and Gordon Ramsey at 49 million.

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So I don't know.

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I guess it comes down to what you call a podcast.

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I'm sure there are other examples of shows that got way, way more views than Alex on

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Rogan, but I don't have the patience to come up with more examples.

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I really am.

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Suffice it to say, there's a little bit of a scale there.

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Right.

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Right.

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I'm mad because now I have to watch all three episodes because I'm fairly certain Shaq's

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has to be the best one.

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It's pretty good.

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It has to be the best one.

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I enjoyed, I think one of the most recent ones.

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I don't really watch that as much as I used to.

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I was really charmed for a while on a guest by guest basis.

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Just don't call it Steve Austin was on.

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It has to be amazing, right?

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He seems like a very charming man.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, the National File post, it really is just an absurd act of navel gazing being

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carried out by an organization with explicit ties to Alex himself.

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It's just a puff piece that really comes off looking desperate since all it really covers

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is how many people watched Alex on Rogan.

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It also includes a graphic that Rogan put out that includes the most liked and disliked

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episodes of the year, which the post comments on, saying that Alex's appearance was, quote,

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the most liked Joe Rogan experience YouTube video of the year.

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Of course, the graphic also shows that Alex's episode is the fifth most disliked, but the

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article doesn't feel the need to interrupt the good times.

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It's more about, it's not about press.

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It's about all press.

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If I'm being perfectly honest, the entire post is just begging Rogan to rebook Alex.

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The giveaway is a comment that Alex very generously provided this totally legitimate news outlet.

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How did they get a hold of Alex?

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It's a big gift.

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He is not answering a lot of calls recently.

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Quote, speaking to the National File, Jones said, quote, that just shows how popular liberty

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and freedom are.

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The only question is, will Alex Jones be back in 2020?

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Wow.

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Rebook me.

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Wow.

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Right.

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That's, that's, that's desperate.

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Also, I don't trust the last line of this article.

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Quote, though websites are often vague about releasing the total number of plays of individual

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podcast episodes, National File was able to confirm that Alex Jones Returns was the most

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listened to and most downloaded Joe Rogan Experience podcast of all time.

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How exactly did they confirm that?

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The only person who gave comment for this story is Alex himself.

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So I'm guessing that maybe he confirmed that for them on background, because I just cannot

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imagine Joe Rogan giving this kind of private business detail away to the fucking National

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File.

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Oh, what he did was Alex texted him and he was like, that was the most watched ever.

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Right.

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And Joe was like, yeah, sure, whatever.

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And then you confirm it with National File done.

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Still not.

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I am an amazing journalist.

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Still not a good chain of information.

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Amazing journalist.

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Put simply, this is just rampant narcissism and desperation on full display, just what

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Alex is feeling.

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And he, he's having a breakdown about this, like in the middle of the episode, make no

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mistake about it.

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You just start screaming about how he can't lie to people.

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People love freedom and even my obnoxious, loudmouth, Texan ass because I'm real and

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the obnoxiousness in all of it is endearing.

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I know just like your obnoxiousness is endearing because you know what?

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It's real, folks.

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There's nothing fake here.

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In fact, I'm so damn real, I sometimes want to control myself.

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I sometimes want to act a different way.

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I sometimes I can't, I can't control myself.

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I'm a maniac.

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It's all real.

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I'm totally real.

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He says in control, that seems to you, I compulsively tell the truth.

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He lies people out there.

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They can't stand that.

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You see?

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And they also don't like the fact they can't scare me and they don't like the fact they

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can't scare you.

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But let me just tell you, I've studied war propaganda and how the globalists do stuff.

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Folks.

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I think they are probably, I need to go to your calls, but I need to probably do a special

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report so I don't cut into the main broadcast time on your calls.

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But I think they're getting ready to do a false flag and blame me and they might kill

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me.

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And I'm only saying, it's not said to be dramatic.

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And if that happens, I'm not a loser.

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I'm a winner.

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I don't want to die, by the way.

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I'm not going to commit suicide.

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But you know what I mean?

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They don't do that unless they got something big planned.

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Let me tell you something.

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I was on every news station in the country.

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I checked randomly.

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What does that mean?

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Hundreds.

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Hundreds.

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Randomly?

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You know what that means?

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How did you check a hundred?

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That means the folks running the show, they're fighting Trump, we're talking CIA, the highest

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level, Brennan and those folks, they've got a plan.

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And they're assassinating my character and my name ahead of trying to kill me.

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Alex does this anytime there's like some bad press about him.

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He starts talking about how they're trying to assassinate his name before they kill him.

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Right.

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And he's got some really tired stuff.

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He says this a lot, like he has for quite a while now, but like it's really extreme

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now.

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The level of like the way he's delivering this, the pressured speech, there's a mania

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to it that I don't normally see that doesn't strike me as meaning that he feels it more.

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Just more, there's more of an extremeness to the performance of this narrative that

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he's used many times in the past.

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Like whenever he was going through his custody hearing, he was saying that all these stories

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about him, that it's all just a setup to make him look bad before they kill him.

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Like it's just constant over and over.

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But this is narcissism.

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This is, that's all this is.

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It's fully on display.

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The CIA planted stories about Alex having to pay a hundred thousand dollars for doing

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a bad job in the deposition, being like really an affront to the court, more or less.

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And they're doing that because John Brennan has a false flag planned and he's going to

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kill Alex.

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This is childish shit right here.

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This is, in the middle of an episode that is covering some serious issues, I would venture

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to say anybody listening to this show, like if you take the first, let's say hour so seriously

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where Alex is getting into the geopolitical scene and Trump made a bold move and then

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out of nowhere he just starts talking about how the CIA is going to kill him and have

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a false flag.

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Right.

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You should like really step back and be like, is this someone who is healthy?

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I'm pretty sure those are two things of equal historical importance.

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And also, but you know, they say in an infinite universe, all things are possible, but a malignant

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narcissist admitting that he is at fault for his own demise doesn't seem like one of them.

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Well, I mean, his demise was predestined.

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He made an arrangement with God, it turns out.

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Well, he's going to talk about it in this next clip.

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Like already we had a situation where it's like, what you're saying is disturbing.

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And now it takes on like an even more disturbing character.

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Every newspaper that's in these networks, because they get an order, it comes in and

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it's like, hey, push this and they do it.

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And they did that to us again.

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I mean, so I'm not sure exactly what's going on, but they usually do that when they overthrow

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your government or they assassinate you.

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And so that's the work we've done to get under this much attack.

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I mean, I got to be honest with you.

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It's not a pride thing.

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It's a satisfaction thing of a job well done that while I really counted for something,

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man, I really did a decent job and our listeners boosted our transmission.

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You did this, too.

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So if they do kill me or whatever, you know, just keep the mission going on.

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And I'm not a loser.

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They don't win by killing me or whatever it is they got planned.

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But it's bad.

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So in the new year, I thought I'd just go ahead and tell you that because I just got

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to tell you everything.

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And I'm not doing it to be dramatic, folks.

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It's real.

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Okay.

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I mean, that's the wings of death flapping around.

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You can just hear them.

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And fine, whatever, you know, don't let me see you coming because I'm going to fight

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for my life.

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It's just nothing to me because I expected this a long time ago.

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I told you I got on my knees a lot of times and I said, I feel the evil I see with it.

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I want to defeat it, God.

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And I want people to wake up.

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And God literally told me it was like I've said this for 20 years, literally, you're

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going to trigger the whole movement to take down the globalists and you're going to inspire

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others to do it.

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And then you're going to be destroyed in the end.

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So you sure you want that?

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And I mean, I said this on there 20 years ago, I mean, I've literally heard God's voice

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in my head.

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And when those times, you know what I mean, it's like, okay, you want this because you're

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going to get really torn to pieces at the end of it, but it's going to be really good.

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And I'm so, I don't know if this is the end of it, I don't know if that's what this is

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or whatever it is, but you know what, hey, I asked for it and I actually like it.

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This is a mess.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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You talking to me or are you talking to you, buddy?

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This is a mess.

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That's a thought, that's an internal monologue somebody has while sad looking out the window

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on a bus.

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Yeah.

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I mean, like you already have, I got to be honest when I, when I look at stuff like that

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and the way Alex is presenting all this, like the CIA is going to kill me and do a false

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flag because I'm too right about everything and they hate how popular I am and I made

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a deal with God literally years ago that I was going to trigger the end of the globalist,

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that I would be destroyed in the process.

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Very reasonable.

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I kind of feel like maybe he's going to fake his death or something like that and disappear.

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I think he's thought about it.

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I would be.

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I think he's definitely thought about it.

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Yeah.

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I mean that whole like, they're going to stage a false flag attack and kill me is like, are

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you going to stage a false flag attack and kill me?

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I don't know about a false flag attack, but like a false flag suicide?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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It makes me like, I know that probably a part of this is that I find Alex to be a pretty

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boring person in the present day, so it makes my mind sort of go off in directions of like,

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what might he be trying to say?

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What might he be preparing the audience for?

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And it seems to me like this would be preparing the audience for you just someday to not be

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there.

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Yeah.

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Now obviously the CIA, John Brennan isn't planning to kill Alex, it's ludicrous.

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But if Alex could find a way to kill himself that would implicate John Brennan.

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Oh my God.

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Man.

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I bet you would do that in a second.

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Yeah.

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That's a coup right there.

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Then I become an idea.

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Yeah.

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Then I win.

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Yeah.

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An idea can't be killed.

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I'm like some general martyr of his own.

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So Alex has this little bit of a breakdown where his narcissism is really just running

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wild and it's very disturbing, but not nearly as disturbing as what happens when he sits

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down with one Steve Pechenik.

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Of all days to talk to Steve Pechenik.

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If he's back in your orbit, of course you're going to have him on on this day.

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Now some of the stuff he says is about what I would have expected, some of it I could

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not have expected in a million years.

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I'm the king of South America now.

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That would be great.

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I would enjoy that.

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That would be fun.

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That would be fun.

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So here's Alex just introducing him.

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All right.

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Riding shotgun with us for this hour.

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His doctor, Steve Pechenik, he's going to be back on the war room today.

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I really appreciate him giving us so much of his time in the new year.

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He really is an interesting character.

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His new memoir is out.

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I went and downloaded it last week and read it over Christmas and I know a lot of history

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and it's just amazing how many things this guy has been involved in.

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You didn't read that.

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I don't believe Alex read that memoir.

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It is, I will say not having read it, it is amazing how many things he claims to have

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been part of.

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So I didn't think that Steve would be opposed to this, this assassination.

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I figured he'd probably be in favor of it, but I also kind of figured he would be against

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war, especially with Iran, because it seems outside of what he, but I wasn't too surprised

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by his reaction.

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As much as I've criticized the issues of going to war, particularly 9-11, a lot of the problems

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that arose as a result of the Iran hostage seeds, 9-11, really has come to fruition right

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now.

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I am for the assassination of Suleimani.

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I would have done it a little bit more elegantly.

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I would have done it quietly.

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Shut the fuck up.

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That's kind of what I would have expected though.

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Shut the fuck up.

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That's kind of the response I expected from Steve, like yes, fine, but a little bit gauche,

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a little tacky the way this was carried out.

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That's the fucking bullshit spy version of Mark Wahlberg saying he would have stopped

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9-11 if he was on the plane.

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And meanwhile, one head of state that we do know that Steve was involved in the death

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of, Aldo Morrow, was not done elegantly.

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No, he was very inelegant.

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I don't know if you're one to talk, Steve.

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So Steve thinks that this is great and it sends a message, but Alex has been talking

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about this sending a message to like North Korea and other heads of state.

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Steve is more focused on how it's going to send a message to the youth of Iran.

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And I'm not going to interrupt you in a moment because I want you to be able to roll because

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you are a leading expert on this, but you're saying my gut level visceral reaction is right

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thing to do, let's the deep state know they're not going to play double deals with Iran against

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the US is a message to North Korea on so many fronts, Trump made the right move.

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Absolutely.

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But more importantly, it's a message to the children and the young people in Iran that

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we're with them.

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And in fact, that we're really with them, but we will help them to dispose of the leader

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Ayatollah Khamenei.

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So I'm not sure if Steve is just talking shit, but this sounds very reminiscent of the talk

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in the lead up to the Iraq war coming out.

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Back then it was coming out of the mouths of people he hates liberators will be greeted

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as liberators.

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And Saddam Hussein is a terrible, terrible dictator.

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Once we get rid of him, the people will come to us and flock and say, thank you America.

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There's absolutely no way that the entire region will be screaming death to America.

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Yeah.

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So like even leaving aside the level of that stupid parallel, like recent data sets that

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were put out by Iran poll and the university of Maryland found that 86% of Iranians have

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unfavorable views of the United States, as opposed to 13% who have favorable, I'm surprised

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it's that low, right?

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The favorable number has been steadily heading downward since a high of 31% in August, 2015.

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And the unfavorable number has been similarly spiking since a low that same month at 67%.

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I would, I I'm going to go with maybe something happened in 2016 to 2017 that made that opinion.

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It's it's a, yeah, maybe Steve is talking absolute shit.

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No matter how bad the ruler in Iran is, it's absurd to imagine, particularly at this point

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in history, after all we've been through that any country is just going to be like, hooray,

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the U S is here to liberate us.

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No kidding.

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That's just not a response you should be selling to people because people around the world

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have had plenty of examples when things didn't quite go that way.

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Yeah.

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That's like, that's like a hooray.

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The British are going to draw our boundaries and no, not a good, not a good thing.

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It's it's a strange position for Steve to have because it's very counter to a lot of

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the things that have been rhetorical tent posts, tent poles for them over the years.

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So Alex realizes as he's talking to Steve that Richard Haas of the CFR, the council

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on foreign relations has warned that this could lead to war.

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And Alex has an iffy response to this.

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Let me raise that.

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It's an article up on info wars.com, Paul Joseph Watson, CFR president says the world

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will be a battlefield after Iran escalation.

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And so you've been a member of the CFR, you resigned it for nine 11 for the fact that

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they were involved in it, Richard and Haas.

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And they are really the establishment's trying to give Trump a backhanded attack.

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I thought they love war so much, but I guess they didn't make this call.

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Why does it, why does it the establishment like what just happened?

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Dodger Pachinnik.

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A couple of quick points to raise here.

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First, Alex says that Steve left the council on foreign relations after nine 11, because

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he knew they were involved in the attack.

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This is complete bullshit and it's wildly irresponsible for Steve not to correct Alex

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immediately.

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In Steve's first interview with Alex from April 24th, 2002, Alex asks Steve about being

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a member of the CFR.

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Steve replies that it used to be an elite organization like 15 to 20 years prior, but

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quote, I haven't attended a meeting in well over a year or two because it's become very

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much a rotary club.

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Basically it's the same people returning saying the same thing and eventually I found it a

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very little help.

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It was an organization basically designed not to influence or direct everything.

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Steve clearly was telling Alex that he hasn't been to a CFR meeting in well over a year

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or two and even if you take the most conservative estimate of time that he's describing, that

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would be pre-9-11.

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So what Alex is saying is bullshit.

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Maybe it's bullshit that Steve has since told Alex and Alex doesn't realize it's a contradiction

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of Steve's original story or maybe Alex is just making it up, knowing that Steve probably

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won't correct him.

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They have the bond of two liars who are both totally aware that the other person is just

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as full of shit as the other.

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It's the safest relationship in the world.

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Two people who know the other one could fuck the other one.

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There's no prisoner's dilemma here.

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It's just two guys knowing we're fucked.

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Second point, maybe Alex thinks that all his globalist CFR Democrat enemies are all in

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favor of wars because that's the characterization he's imagined of them and this characterization

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is not in line with reality.

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Maybe sometimes you end up creating an enemy to fight but then the real world version of

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them is out of step with how you pretend they act and then you find yourself in this situation

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trying to come up with a conspiracy for why this president of the CFR is opposed to attacking

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Iran.

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It's nonsense.

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There's a very simple explanation.

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It's based on complexity as opposed to these simplistic cartoonish sketches he draws of

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his enemies.

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It's nonsense.

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So Steve did not leave the CFR because of 9-11 and knowing that they were complicit.

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He has a responsibility to correct Alex on that because it's bullshit and it's totally

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wrong.

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I honestly don't even know.

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I can't confirm that he was even...

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He was.

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I can confirm he was a member of the CFR.

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I'll believe you.

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I found his name in the membership rolls.

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All right.

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I will believe you.

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No, no.

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For sure.

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Okay.

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But that makes sense.

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He was a State Department official.

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Yeah, for sure.

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He had a consulting business.

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Right.

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I know.

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I'm just saying.

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The CFR isn't...

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There's tons of people in it.

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It's not like some sort of a 200 person shadowy group.

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It's thousands of members.

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I understand.

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But Steve's assessment of it like being a rotary club where people make connections

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and stuff like that, that's not too far off from a lot of people I've heard talk about

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it.

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Now, Steve does not refute Alex's, they did 9-11 and that's why you left.

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In fact, he says, I did leave because of 9-11, which is not true.

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Now, this clip also includes Steve saying something that I find to be a big problem.

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It's nonsensical.

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I left it not only because of 9-11, I left it because it's a pathetic organization and

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Richard Haas is the paramount pathetic Jew who talks a lot but never served our country.

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So why does Steve feel the need to call Steve a, I'm sorry, Haas a paramount pathetic Jew?

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How is his Jewishness relevant to the conversation about the CFR at all?

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I didn't bring this up before because Steve is Jewish himself and sometimes it hasn't

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felt as pronounced as this, but there's a bit of a trend lately where Steve's pointing

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out people's Jewishness, particularly when criticizing or insulting them.

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I'd given it a pass, but in this instance, it's really glaring.

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There's no reason to bring up whether or not the head of the CFR who you're painting as

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a nefarious international cabal at war with America is Jewish and there's no excuse for

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making it a compound insult as Steve does, pathetic Jew.

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I don't know what this means per se, but it really worried me when I heard that.

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That's not good.

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Oh boy.

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They are really done, they're done saying the quiet, like they're all in on saying the

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quiet part loud now.

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It felt that way.

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Wow.

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When I heard him say that, I was like...

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That was jarring.

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Yes, yes it was.

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I didn't expect to hear the hard J, quite as vociferously as it was.

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That was somebody who was tearing into that J.

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It was pretty bad.

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Yeah, that was a stake of a J right there.

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So Alex and Steve decide to take some calls and they get a call from a farmer in Virginia

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who has a similar approach or similar feeling sort of to the caller who chastised Alex at

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the beginning of the calls.

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Oh, okay, good.

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Okay, good.

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I didn't sense that, but his angle on it is...

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I was waiting for you to be like, well, it's like when there's the first frost on your

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crops.

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Hold on.

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You got to destroy the sun in order to make sure...

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Hold on.

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He is also, he has a bad egg.

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Okay, there we go.

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He has a bad angle on this.

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Okay, there we go.

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He is not as sort of grounded as that other caller presented himself.

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We've come a long way from Ron Paul.

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What is going on?

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The party is not the same.

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This guy has a little bit of a worse critique, but it really fucks Alex up.

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I'm a 31-year-old farmer in Virginia, and my community has really been hit hard in my

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lifetime.

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My population has been replaced with brown people that speak a different language than

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me.

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My friends and family have died from heroin overdoses.

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The family farms are going away, and we believe in Trump because he was supposed to be America

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first.

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I believe in you, and I feel like crying right now because I have stickers, your Infowars

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stickers in my truck.

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I buy your products, but you really let me down with this whole situation.

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You sound like a fool going in circles trying to cover for Israel and trying to make sense

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of all this when you know it's not right.

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I love you, Alex, but this isn't right, and you need to get on your hands and knees and

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repent to your audience and apologize.

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This is nuts, and you know it's nuts.

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I told you he has a bad position, and that is that Alex is in favor of attacking Iran

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because he's shilling for Israel.

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That is bad.

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I was really doing all right there for a second.

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I was disappointed that that's the angle that it took, but I kind of should have known because

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the guy was saying I'm being surrounded by brown people.

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It's clearly a racist farmer calling in.

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Of course, he's going to be like, hey, you just work for the Jews.

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It's like, ah, this isn't good, but Alex is very sensitive to those sorts of criticisms.

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There is, especially on a high tension day like this, he has a bit of a response to this.

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It doesn't happen immediately, but it throws him for a complete loop where he has to get

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super defensive about like, ah, look, I do not work for Israel, in fact, and then everything

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falls apart.

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Everything falls completely apart.

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Yeah, that sounds right, but here's Alex's immediate reaction, which I would say is also

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not good.

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Well, Justin, well, Justin, let me respond, OK?

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I'm fighting the fentanyl coming into the country, and so is Trump.

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And Iran has a dictatorship that just mowed down 600 of their own people.

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Communist China is a dictatorship of two million Muslims in concentration camps.

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Hold on, hold on.

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Who cares?

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I'm not a globalist.

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Globalism is for this world government.

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I'm for America, but America still has interest, and I don't want these wars, and I've given

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you my honest view on what Trump did.

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And I've had played with Tucker Carlson had to say, and I get his perspective, and we've

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had callers that agree and disagree.

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We're not a cult where we're one thing or we're the other.

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We're trying to have a discussion.

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OK, so, so quantify why I need to get down on my knees, and I'm going to get under Steve

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Pechenik's take on this, because what I've done.

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So that's not a good response, because the arguments that he has are we're fighting the

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fentanyl coming in, but that's not all the opiate crisis.

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It's a much larger picture to it than just the fentanyl.

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You're scapegoating fentanyl because you hate China.

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Now granted, fentanyl is a problem, and absolutely it should be a part of the conversation.

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Now secondarily, the other thing is Iran has dictators.

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There's dictators over there, and China has a dictator, and the caller's response to that,

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I mean, like in this Alex Jones nationalism world, the correct response is who cares.

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In terms of anti-interventionalist, just strict nationalism, your response is who cares.

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My response to that is not who cares, but it should be Alex's.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It kind of should be.

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You know why, and that's the other thing, is that he does know why he should get out

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on his knees and pray, and he's pissed about it.

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Maybe.

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Maybe he did.

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But this... I mean, I disagree entirely with this caller, but this is the problem when

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you have this America first obsession and this nationalist focus.

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It becomes very difficult to have a meaningful understanding with the people who are listening

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to you why you should care about foreign affairs, why you should care about what's going on

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in other countries, because it does appear to be not nationalist to the adherents of

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it.

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Alex is trying to walk this line of, like, we have interests elsewhere, even if it is

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America first, and this caller does not give a fuck about this.

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Yeah.

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It's still bad that he thinks that Alex is just doing this because of Israel, though.

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Yeah, I know.

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That is not good.

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I was really getting close to being able... Like, I feel bad for the caller.

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No, totally.

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Because he's very clearly... I mean, both of these callers are talking about this buyer's

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remorse.

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Yeah, they got caught.

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Yeah.

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I have all this money, I have all these stickers, and what are you fucking doing, man?

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Yeah.

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They got conned.

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Yeah.

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And I hate it when, you know, it's fun when rich people get conned out of all their money,

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because fuck them.

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But this dude is just... This dude's just living the shit life with the rest of us,

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and he gets conned.

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He's a racist farmer in Virginia.

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Yeah.

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It's too easy to con racist farmers.

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That's just the reality of it.

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Well, Steve has some advice, because Alex does go to get Steve's take on this.

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And I would say that Steve's advice is, next to meaningless.

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Let's get Steve Machinik's take.

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Doc, you want to comment on what he's saying here?

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Well, with all due respect, I came out of the same area this gentleman comes from, Virginia.

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If he has a problem, I understand Virginia's a disaster of a state now.

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I do what I did.

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I moved to the south.

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I moved to Florida, to Texas, the northeast, Virginia, Maryland, New York, California-

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Virginia's part of the northeast?

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... Illinois and Michigan will all be finished for simple reasons.

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You have governors who are totally ineffectual.

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At the local level, you're totally ineffectual.

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You don't have commissioners who can do roads or do anything else.

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You can complain, sir, but the bottom line is very simple.

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You come down to the south, you come down to where we have no taxes and we carry guns,

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I think you'll be a happier man.

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But don't blame Alex Jones.

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Don't blame Alex Jones.

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Move to the south.

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Ah, poor boy.

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This is a great example of Steve not addressing the issue, or addressing the wrong issue,

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which makes me think that maybe he's not a good hostage negotiator.

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I don't think so.

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So that's the approach to the conversation.

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And you'll see in this next clip, the caller is not interested in that level of-

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Yeah, go fuck yourself, Steve.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So at the beginning of this clip, Alex is trying to express that he feels like what

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happened was a measured response that Trump carried out.

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And then there's a bit of a backlash to the caller because he kind of just ignores that

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in response to Steve telling him to move to the south.

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I got really mad when Trump bombed that little chemical base in Syria because I thought it

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meant a huge war like it always has in the past.

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He did that to silence the hawks and to then make the enemies back off and it was a measured

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response and it worked really well.

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Okay, now if this gets expansive, I'm not going to be happy.

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I think this is a measured response.

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I don't like seeing the troops being upped.

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It could go bad, but I don't understand how you think I'm betraying you being pro-war.

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I'm not telling Trump what to do and I think we'll see how this unfolds.

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You say with Steve because, Steve, I'm staying in Virginia because my family's been here

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since the 1700s.

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I'm fighting.

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I'm either fighting or that's all there is to it.

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But this isn't America first.

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We got to get out of all this stuff.

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It is enough, Alex, and you know it is.

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Well, I think what Virginia's saying is if that regime goes down and they get a populist

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regime in Tehran, that will absolutely stabilize a lot of the Middle East and you won't have

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the extreme conflict.

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Is that what Steve was saying?

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And Saudi Arabia won't have the excuse to be on the warpath.

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Is that an accurate statement in your view, Dr. Pechenik?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So yeah, we just need to install a populist leader in Iran and that will settle everything.

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I'm boggled.

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This is ludicrous.

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I mean, I disagree with the caller about everything.

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It's the same thing with the other caller who was like, well, within the framework that

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Alex has constructed, that is the response you're supposed to have.

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This caller is more true to what Alex has presented and preached for a very long time.

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And so there is this dissonance between the callers being like, this is what we were.

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This is what this was about.

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This is the logical endpoint of this shit.

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And you are now no longer on board with what you have left the audience.

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And that should be a big warning sign for Alex.

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You would think.

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Instead, he gets really mad.

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It is kind of funny to listen to these callers because it's a little bit like...

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And I think what we should do is switch to a socialist form of government based around

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economic safety for all of its people and not just focused on the few.

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And that's because we need to stop Israel.

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And you're like, no.

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I get where...

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But I mean, that's another danger of doing business in this weird conspiracy space, especially

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when so many of your narratives rely on anti-Semitic shit from history.

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Like a ton of this stuff is going to appeal to people who are not just politically against

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some of the things that the government of Israel does.

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They're going to have a much larger view of that in the conspiracy space.

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And that's dangerous because you'll end up running afoul of it eventually.

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It always will be turned on you eventually.

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Yeah.

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It's especially dangerous now because of a certain listlessness.

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On the left of somebody who's very much...

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I'm anti-interventionist.

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I want to follow news sources that give me this anti-interventionist rhetoric that I

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like.

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And it turns out that they're also...

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The anti-interventionists are also Nazis.

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You just wandered in and now you're...

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It's the same...

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Like eco-fascism.

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Exactly.

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Where it's like, yeah.

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It's the same danger of overlapping with people you should not make common cause with.

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The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

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Yeah.

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It's something to keep an eye on.

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It's something to be very careful about because it is probably going to be a bigger issue

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moving forward.

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Unless, I mean, there is a possibility that Iran does not respond in some super provocative

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way.

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Sure.

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That is a possibility in all of this.

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It seems unlikely possibly as we sit here right now, but it is a possibility.

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And in that case, all of this will be much less pronounced, less heightened, but we'll

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see.

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Anyway, Alex wants the benefit of the doubt from this caller.

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And I don't think the caller is having any of that shit.

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That's what Trump always says.

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He's cleaning up the problems the deep state created.

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That's why they hate him.

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He's tying up the loose ends and if he doesn't, then we'll start getting upset.

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I mean, Justin, I think you've got to give us a little bit more benefit of the doubt

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here.

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No.

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In the room.

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Let's just stop with this stuff.

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Okay, Justin, I appreciate your call.

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I got to move on to other people.

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All right?

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I got to move on to other people.

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It's very interesting calls and that's how you're able to call in.

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CNN and stuff, when they take calls, it's all controlled.

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You just called in, you're on the air.

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That's what Infowars is, not a cult.

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Not a cult, but I am going to insist, like you should give me the benefit of the doubt

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and when you start responding and clearly you're not, I'm going to talk over you and

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hang up on you.

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Yeah.

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So cool.

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I mean, it's one thing to have like a little bit of dissent and stuff like that on the

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show, but when you're not really even engaging with it, it doesn't really count for much.

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But they go to commercial and they come back and Alex gives a very defensive rant about

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Israel.

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And it's pretty standard stuff for him.

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It's kind of along the lines of like, everybody's obsessed with Israel.

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I always accuse me of like, just because I do X, Y, or Z.

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It's pretty standard stuff and I don't find it notable at all.

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He goes on that rant a bit.

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I've heard it many times.

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It's only notable because Steve is there and this makes Steve start talking about some

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of his feelings about Israel.

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And we've already got a hard J from Steve.

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I don't want to hear about Israel.

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Right.

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Oh boy.

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Let me put it this way.

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Israel created a myth about Judaism, about the Holocaust that, you know, I've talked

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about it before.

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The American Jew really doesn't understand what the Holocaust is.

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He makes up numbers of 6 million, but the fact is BB has grew up in America.

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Israel has its own problems.

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We're not there to help Israel.

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Israel is going to have to deal with Hezbollah now, and they did not do well in 2000.

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I have rounded up Mossad operatives and I put them in prison.

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I've also warned Mossad that they could not get involved in 9-11, afterwards I put them

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in prison.

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Really?

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You didn't do that.

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Really?

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I would say name names then, because if they're in prison, then there's public records.

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When would you be in a law enforcement capacity after 9-11?

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What the fuck are you talking about?

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Bullshit.

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Now, beyond that, I don't want to put this too bluntly, so I'm just going to come out

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and say that the more Steve is talking, the more worried I am.

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I don't know too many people outside Holocaust denial communities who talk about the Holocaust

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as a myth.

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I know that he's not saying that it didn't happen, but what he's engaging in here is

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very standard behavior you would see from more savvy Holocaust deniers or revisionists.

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It's not, look, I'm not saying that the Holocaust didn't happen, I'm just saying that they inflated

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the numbers to make it look like it's worse than it really was.

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Look, I'm against any Holocaust, but I'm also against liars.

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I don't recall this being a part of Steve's character that we've seen on the show previously,

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so this really freaks me out.

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It is like that.

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Has this always been there, or is this somehow he's even more radicalized than...

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I think it's probably something that's been there, but it hasn't come out.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I mean, it has to be something that he's felt for a while.

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I can't imagine this being a new revelation.

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I guess.

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I don't know.

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How many people are suddenly, you know, you used to be a Republican and then three years

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later we need a religious theocracy and we need to, you know, it didn't take long for

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a lot of people to get fucked up.

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I think calling the Holocaust a myth that the state of Israel uses...

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That's a weekend thing.

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A lot of freshman college girls do that.

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They go out to Florida, they spend the spring break, Holocaust is a myth, they come back,

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they get back to work.

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For someone who's pretending to be such a geopolitical expert as Steve, I don't feel

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like this could be a late career development.

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Also, how could you possibly square the events of his earlier career in the State Department

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with the ability to believe that the Holocaust didn't happen?

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You can't.

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He's not...

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Well, he's not honest about anything.

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So it gets worse.

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Yeah, I'll just say that.

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Okay.

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Unless you learn your history, as you said, Alex, you're going to be a fool and you will

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just repeat the nonsense of Israel.

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Israel didn't take in any Holocaust Jews.

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They didn't want it.

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When the historian was asked by Eichmann, who spoke Hebrew, he said, do you want three

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to four hundred thousand of these people in the camps?

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He said, no, I'd rather have pigs.

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Steve's playing a little fast and loose with details here.

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There were many Jewish refugees who were not allowed in during and after World War Two,

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but he's placing the blame in the wrong place.

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That wasn't Israel's fault, primarily because Israel didn't exist yet.

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Yeah.

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Wasn't that us?

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At the time, the area was the Mandate for Palestine or Mandatory Palestine, and it was

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run by the British.

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The British government put in place restrictive immigration policies in the form of the White

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Paper of 1939, which set a maximum of fifteen thousand immigrants who could enter the Mandate

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each year.

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If you look back at that period with present day eyes, you would think that the countries

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of the world would immediately open their doors to these people who were being systematically

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killed, but that was not the case.

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There were very few countries that were willing to take in a vast number of refugees fleeing

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from Germany and Austria, and this continued even after the war.

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Hundreds of thousands of people who'd just survived something unthinkable were put in

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displaced persons camps, having nowhere to go and very few options.

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Then in 1948, the State of Israel was established, and in the first few years, approximately

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a hundred forty thousand Holocaust survivors immigrated there and were let in.

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David Ben-Gurion was the first Prime Minister of Israel, but until its formation in 1948,

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he had no formal office in the government in the Mandate for Palestine.

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He was just a prominent figure in the Jewish community there.

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He would have literally no authority to negotiate immigration deals with Eichmann, who incidentally

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was living in hiding at that point in rural Germany before fleeing to Argentina.

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What I'm saying is that there's no real point in history when Ben-Gurion and Eichmann could

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have had a reason to negotiate something like this.

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I was trying to find places where this 300,000 number might come up, because he's saying

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they had this conversation to this offer of 300,000 people from the camps.

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Rather have pigs, etc.

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And one of the only places I can find that number is in an interview that Ben-Gurion

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did in March 1960, published in the spring 1997 issue of Israel Studies.

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In it he says, quote, twelve years ago the Jewish state was established.

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First we took in 300,000 European Jews from the displaced persons camps.

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It's basically the opposite of what Steve is saying.

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Yeah, he's saying that we did.

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Right.

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I don't want to say that Steve is making this up, but I kind of think Steve is making this

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up.

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I do want to say that Steve is making it up.

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You can definitely make an argument that the non-Axis powers did not step up to help refugees

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who were in desperate need during World War II, and that argument has been made by many

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scholars like David Wyman in his book The Abandonment of the Jews.

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That's a fine discussion to have, and honestly, having that conversation should really make

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someone like Alex or Steve rethink their current positions on immigration.

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What's not okay is what Steve is doing.

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Unless he can cite his source on this alleged negotiation between David Ben-Gurion and Eichmann,

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then I have to assume this is just bullshit that's designed to rewrite the events of the

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Holocaust, and there's a name for that.

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I don't under- what name?

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It's not a good name.

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Oh, okay.

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So now Steve starts ranting about how there are a bunch of Jews in Hitler's army.

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I really don't like Steve.

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No, he's really going bad.

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I think he's taking a turn for where I am no longer interested in him.

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We've gone a long way from Ron Paul, that's for fucking sure.

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I don't think that Steve is a fun crazy anymore.

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Jesus.

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This does not go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.

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No.

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He rants a bit here, and it's all-

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And ironically, guess who was the leader of taking away the Jews?

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A man by the name of Heydrich, an Austrian Jew.

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So within his-

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Stop saying that word like that.

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Over 146,000 Jews, two out of the five field commanders, I'm getting tired of this, were

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Jews.

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That was the big shit that Hitler was really a Rothschild, and I've looked into it.

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It's true.

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So the idea that there were Jews serving within the army of the Third Reich is not a controversial

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thing.

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No, that-

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At least historically, it's not something that you'd say, and it'd be like, ah, ah,

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ah.

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Yeah, right now Steve sounds like he's auditioning for a role in the fucking, yeah.

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Right, in the same way that there are non-white white supremacists.

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It's a phenomenon that happens to your brain, doesn't make sense, but it did exist.

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You're not there in the context, whatever, yeah.

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What's happening here is more of Steve blaming the Jews for the Holocaust that's coming out

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here, which is not good.

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I think he might have taken a real serious turn, or maybe he's just been in the past

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better able to hide this part of his beliefs, because I'm shocked by this.

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This is crazy.

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Whatever the case is, I'm primarily interested in that last clip, and Alex has claimed that

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he's looked into it, and that Hitler was a Rothschild.

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It's true.

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I wonder where he's looked into this, because it's absolutely 100% bullshit, and it's a

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theory I've definitely heard put forth by some fairly neo-Nazi sites.

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Hitler's father-

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That's all I got for that.

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Hitler's father, a Lois Schecklegruber, was born out of wedlock without a father on his

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baptismal registry, which makes his parentage a open question.

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Who was Hitler's grandfather?

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Right.

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The theory that his father was a Rothschild is based solely, and I stress solely, on a

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rumor that his mother, Maria Ann Schecklegruber, she'd been a servant for some unspecified

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time at the home of Baron Rothschild in Vienna.

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There's no proof that she had actually ever been a servant there.

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There's no evidence that this timeline would match up, even if she had, and there's no

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proof that Maria got pregnant by Baron Rothschild giving birth to Hitler's father.

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This is fantasy stuff, and it was kind of tabloid rumor shit in the 1930s that is not

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true and is just continued as conspiracy bullshit to the present day.

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This story got a little bit of credibility after the Nuremberg trials, when Hitler's

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lawyer, Hans Frank, told a tale while waiting to be hung.

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He was going to be executed.

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Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So as he was waiting-

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He wasn't the court appointed defense lawyer.

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No.

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He was a-

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He was his barns.

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He was a participant.

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So as the story goes, Hitler confided in Frank that he was being blackmailed by his nephew,

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that the nephew was going to reveal that Hitler was Jewish.

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So he enlisted Frank to look into the accusation.

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Frank said he found that Hitler's grandmother gave birth while working in the home of a

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Jewish family in the city of Graz in Austria.

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This family was by the name of Frankenberger.

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Frank claimed that the head of the household had paid child support to Maria for years,

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because he knew that his son was the child's father.

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Sure.

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None of this story matches up with historical records, though.

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As historian Ian Kershaw points out in his book Hubris, this would have been in the 1830s,

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but Jewish people weren't allowed to live in Graz until the 1860s, so there wouldn't

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be any Jewish families of wealth living there at the time.

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There was also no family named Frankenberger living there at the time, and the next closest

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thing was Frankenreiter, but they weren't Jewish.

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No serious person takes this story as being anything close to accurate, and this story

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has far more credibility to it than the Rothschild one, since at least it's a fake story being

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told by a real associate of Hitler's.

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The Rothschild thing is just completely made up.

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DNA tests have shown that Hitler probably did have some Jewish ancestry, but that's

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not surprising, given the time period and the geography of the area, and it doesn't

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prove anything close to what Alex is claiming.

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I've seen this argument presented in some neo-Nazi leaning circles, and that immediately

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doesn't quite make sense.

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Aren't these guys supposed to love Hitler?

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And some of them do.

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Yeah.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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But not if he was Jewish.

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Well, the best that I can make of this is that these people are really into the anti-Semitism,

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not so much the figurehead.

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Right.

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So believing that Hitler was secretly a Jew allows you to retain that anti-Semitism while

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still having a handy reason to not feel so bad about the fact that Hitler lost World

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War II.

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Yeah.

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It was a set up.

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That kind of thing.

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So I think that there is a certain subset of that community that scapegoats the loss

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of World War II on the fact that Hitler was a Rothschild, secret Jewish person all along,

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so he was just leading all us noble whites down the path of destruction or whatever.

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It's tough to say that you're the master super race and lose, I guess.

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Sure.

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You need an excuse for that, and this is one of the handy ones that I've seen employed.

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This segment is flying off the fucking rails.

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Man.

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I thought we were going to be digging into an episode where Alex just talks about how

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Trump is totally cool to go to war, and then Steve shows up in this fucking thing turned

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super crypto-Nazi.

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Yeah.

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I did not see this one coming.

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Of all the things that I thought might have happened today, Steve Pacenik showing up and

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denying the Holocaust?

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Not on the list.

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I totally, like at the beginning of this episode, I said Steve shocked me.

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Yeah.

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This is what I was saying.

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Even then, I was like, okay, Steve is going to shock me.

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Still didn't see Holocaust denial coming.

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Still didn't see it coming.

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That's pretty amazing.

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To put it plainly, Alex is completely losing control of his show, and it's steering ever

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closer to being like an out and out openly anti-Semitic program.

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His inability to screen guests, his unwillingness to break ties with Steve Pacenik, and his

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underlying bigotries that he refuses to examine, they're really starting to come to a head,

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and I find the result to be fucking ugly.

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That's what we're seeing here.

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This next clip, Steve says that Israel came up with the lie or the myth of the Holocaust

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in 1965.

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I didn't make this up.

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I mean, the whole thing about Israel is a cockamamie story that we need a land of the

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Jews.

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No, in 1965, America pulled out, so they came up with the story of the Holocaust.

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But here's the thing, I'm not even against Israel.

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All I'm trying to say is these ignoramuses call in and magically go, oh, you're doing

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this for Israel, when they don't even know what they're talking about.

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Meanwhile, you're talking to somebody who is engaging in Holocaust revisionism at best,

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and Alex is too self-absorbed in his feelings about this caller saying he's working for

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Israel and he can't even push back on this very clear, super disturbing shit that's coming

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out of Steve's mouth.

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It's real bad.

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It is incredibly bad.

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Yeah, it's the one-two punch of somebody insinuating that he's working for Israel while somebody

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is saying that Israel is the worst thing, because he can't defend Israel without looking

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like he's defending Israel.

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Maybe Steve knows that.

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Exactly.

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That's a fucking...

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It's a mess.

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This show is like, this show would benefit from producers.

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You know, I've never considered what it would be like to run a half Nazi show before, but

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now I feel like I really know.

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Like Red Ice, it seems obvious you're just a Nazi.

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Fox News, you're just pretending not to be a Nazi.

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But here you're pretending to both be and not be a Nazi.

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It's kind of wild.

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It's Schrodinger's Nazi.

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I think that you can see what a toll it takes on you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think Alex...

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That's got to fuck you up.

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But you know what?

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I mean, straight shooting is really where it's at.

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He's really disciplined.

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So in this next clip, Steve is talking about how he was there when they sold the gas to

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Iran or whatever.

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But if you listen, he gets the gas wrong.

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And Alex corrects him.

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If he is really this geopolitical expert, you probably get the right gas.

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Hey, we all make mistakes.

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This was a war starting under the Bush administration, the Reagan administration.

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We sent, Schultz had sent tear gas to that area.

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I was there when they sent it.

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So if you want to go back to the history...

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You mean mustard gas?

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Mustard gas, that's correct.

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We sent mustard gas.

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Now you know, and your fans know it, do you think anybody in the news has talked about

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that?

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No.

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Do you think anybody in the news goes back to the Carter administration or the Reagan

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administration or the Bush administration, all of which I was in and I was against?

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But nevertheless, I served my country.

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So it's very easy for somebody in Virginia to say, oh, I'm disappointed in this and that.

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It's much harder to be what you have to be, a citizen soldier.

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You don't like what happens?

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Try to make it better.

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They are mad about this caller.

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They are really mad.

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It really threw them for a fucking loop.

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Well, because he's not confrontational.

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He's disappointed in them.

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It's that, you know, hey, look, I'm not angry with you.

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What I am is disappointed in you.

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It's holding up a mirror.

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Yeah.

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They don't like that.

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No.

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No, no, no.

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A mirror is very scary to them.

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You hold up a mirror and you start revising the Holocaust history and you're so overwhelmed

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by what you see.

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Oh, no.

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Oh, my God.

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It's a monster.

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Oh, shit.

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That's me, isn't it?

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Fuck.

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Well, I better get worse.

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Better deny the Holocaust.

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So Steve had quite a showing here and he shuffles off and apparently he's going to come back

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on Owen Schroyer's show.

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I know I said this just a second ago, sort of under my breath, but this show, it needs

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producers.

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Yeah.

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And if there are producers, they are really.

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They need to be fired.

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They're shitting the bed.

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And so does Rob Doolittle.

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Like, there are ways you cannot do this, and that would be planning some sort of qualifications,

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some pre-interviews.

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Yeah.

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Like, what are we going to talk about today on the show instead of just like, well, we

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get on and whatever happens, happens.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Speaking of which, I'm very glad that we don't have to have those production meetings where

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it's like, should we have on a Nazi?

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Not our problem.

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Do we know if this person?

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Yeah.

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Yikes.

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Yikes.

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Yikes.

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Although then again, we didn't know that Swery Carrie was a little bit of a Nazi, so.

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We didn't have her on.

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That's true.

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I guess the most unethical thing we did was talk to Larry Nichols, and I think we were

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confrontational.

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Yeah.

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I'm pretty sure we were not stoked about him.

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So Alex comes back after saying goodbye to Steve, and he declares again that his lawsuit

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news, it was all people were talking about as the ball was dropping on New Year's.

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I know what war propaganda is.

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I know when it's a major push coming out of the government.

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And I'm doing it.

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I know Trump's not in full control of the government yet, but when they do these pushes

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on me with the fake Sandy Hook news, I've lost lawsuits and stuff, usually it's not

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even true.

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On every channel on New Year's Eve, while the balls are dropping, who the hell is giving

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that order in your view, and what is that?

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So I'm sorry.

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He was still talking to Steve there.

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I forgot that he was still around.

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Steve's like, he was sort of ambivalent with his answers.

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It's not really all that interesting.

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Because he doesn't really care.

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But it's Alex's preoccupation with this being the image, that I'm the most important thing.

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They're setting me up to be killed or whatever.

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It's all bullshit.

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So Alex, now he says goodbye to Steve.

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Sure.

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And he makes clear that he's praying for peace, and then he introduces another guest.

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It's been a powerful broadcast today.

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We're praying for peace.

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We hope this doesn't escalate, but I see why Trump did it.

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Now Syrian girl is a really smart lady, and she's been on many times over the years.

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It's been too long since she's been on.

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I'm glad she's here.

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And you can find her on Twitter at Partisan Girl and at Patreon at Syrian Girl.

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And I'm not going to go into her whole past or who she is.

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I'll do a little bit of that.

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Does she have a name?

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Yeah, she does.

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I'm going to respect her given name.

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You can find it very easily.

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Just because she seems to like to go by Syrian Girl, I'm going to respect that.

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Works for that.

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So Syrian Girl is an online commentator and wildly unhinged conspiracy theorist.

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She's been a guest on Alex's show dating back many years, but I haven't heard her on the

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show in a really long time, so the timing of her resurgence is pretty weird.

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Is she somebody who's going to help mollify critics and say that it's cool that they bomb

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people?

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We'll see.

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Okay.

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For years, Alex has relied on interviews with Syrian Girl to justify his belief that chemical

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attacks in Syria are false flags.

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While the international community has arrived at the conclusion that Assad used these weapons,

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Syrian Girl has decided that is not the case and that rebels attacked themselves in order

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to dupe the international community into supporting them.

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Honestly, I think she's a horrible voice in this conspiracy ecosystem, but I've never

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really found her all that particularly interesting the other times I've heard her on the show

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long in the past.

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I think part of the reason is that she doesn't seem to have any credentials to speak on any

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of the issues other than the fact that she was born in Damascus, though her parents moved

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to Australia when she was very young, and the fact that she was in a graduate program

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for chemistry, which she never finished.

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I'm not sure this will make sense, but I've kind of always seen Syrian Girl as more of

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an Alex Jones caller who got elevated to the status of having an alias.

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Kind of like Zack.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I can see what you're saying.

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That's the way I've always... They treat her like a guest.

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Sure.

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And I guess she is in some sense, because she has something going on outside of Infowars

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as opposed to Zack, who was just an in-house production.

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But in the past, I've never really seen her as anything else other than someone who just

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comes on and says things are false flags.

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Right, right, right.

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She's quadruple A ball kind of situation there.

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Yeah.

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Her primary area of importance on Alex's show is to deny that Assad had anything to do with

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war crimes.

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She's on the show today probably because her support of Assad goes hand in hand with Hezbollah,

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since they're fighting for Assad in Syria.

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Hezbollah, in turn, is an Iranian-backed militia, so by extension, her support of Assad trickles

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down to a support of the Iranian regime.

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So there is a weird dynamic at play here.

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Even though she's Syrian, girl, there is an intersection where that support and that being

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on the side of the Syrian army and Assad's regime does come into play with an issue that

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affects Iran.

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And so it's not an unbiased party at all, really.

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So she's against attacking Iran.

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Okay, good.

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But-

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Oh, no.

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But I mean, if you show-

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Is it because the Holocaust didn't happen?

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No, but if you show your work there, the way that you arrive at that conclusion is a little

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bit different.

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Right.

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So she comes on and she says that this is like 2003 all over again.

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Right.

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Fair enough, to some extent.

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And I think she does make also a pretty decent point in the fact that in 2003, there were

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allies.

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There were the Kurds, there were other allies on the ground that made the situation not

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nearly as bad as it could have been.

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Now the prospect of having another war, those allies are probably not there.

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And that makes the situation worse.

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So I think she is the kernel of a decent point there.

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And then she just talks some shit.

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They're going to have a troop surge and Iraq invasion is going to happen all over again.

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It's going to be 2020 is now 2003 all over again, except now there's no allies.

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There's no Shiites to work alongside with as there was in 2003.

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Now both the Sunnis, the Shiites and even some of the Kurds have been disgruntled.

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Now they're all the enemy.

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And who has been supportive of such a troop surge?

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Nancy Pelosi said it was needed.

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I mean, this woman, you know, her father actually was one of the founders of Israel.

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He was one part of one of the original terrorist organizations that was active before Israel

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was created.

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It was regarded as a terrorist organization by the British to try to create, well, they're

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always right.

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So, you know, she has obviously a stake in this and I wonder if this whole impeachment

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against Trump was to try to force his hand into doing this stuff.

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Really?

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Well, and then you say all that and it starts convincing me because, because you're dumb.

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You are very dumb.

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So Nancy Pelosi's father was named Thomas D'Alessandro Jr. and he was not one of the

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founders of Israel, nor was he a member of a terrorist group.

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He was on the Baltimore city council from 1935 to 1938, then a member of the house of

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representatives from 1939 to 1947, and then the mayor of Baltimore from 1947 to 1959.

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So unless he was the mayor and moonlighting halfway across the world.

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Sister city of Baltimore.

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That's right.

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Jerusalem, Dan.

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What is true is that D'Alessandro was a very vocal supporter of finding a place for the

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displaced Jewish population to be taken in, which put him at odds with the policies of

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his president, FDR, who, you know, is pushing the opposite at that point.

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Well, not the opposite, but certainly not what D'Alessandro is going to.

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D'Alessandro opposed British control over the mandate for Palestine, and he lobbied

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for the United States to prioritize saving Jews.

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He was instrumental in helping get the war refugee board established, which helped in

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rescue efforts.

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D'Alessandro was a proponent of the creation of Israel, but by the time that was happening,

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he wasn't even in Congress anymore, having become the mayor of Baltimore.

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So while it is fair to say that he was into the formation of Israel, it's a bit much to

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say that he was a founder, and he wasn't involved in any terrorist groups.

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He was potentially connected to the mafia, though, through a friend of his, which derailed

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his attempts to get reelected as mayor, but I hardly think that that's what Syrian Girl

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is talking about here.

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I don't think she's too interested in that angle.

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More importantly, you can kind of get a sense here of the level of shit that Syrian Girl

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brings to the table.

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Vague, misleading accusations about one political figure being used to justify a ridiculous

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conspiracy theory, like that Nancy Pelosi wanted to impeach Trump so he'd be forced

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to attack Iran.

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It's just profoundly bad thinking, but ultimately, it's also meant to imply that it is Israel

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that's the reason that Pelosi does this stuff in the first place.

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Just kind of, you know, that's what this boils down to, which is, again, the same mentality

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that is not good.

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On the, you know, it can be funny.

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It can be funny.

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These kinds of ridiculous, wild, stupid things, but on the, I mean, when we're on the precipice

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of a fucking potentially, what do you even call it, possible conflict?

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Tensions are high.

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You know, that kind of situation, to then do everything possible to avoid giving any

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blame or fault to the guy who is crowing about it as though it was the biggest victory in

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the world is so transparent and pathetic and sad.

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Yes, it is.

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But it's not funny.

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Now it's just fucking tragic.

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And it's very scary.

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It's tragic and it's terrifying because some people are going to buy that shit.

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Yeah.

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And it extends.

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Like the rationalizations for Trump extend even to the point of invalidating why he should

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be in power.

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Absolutely.

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And even to make a defense of him, you have to basically be like, did you hear what he's

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saying?

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Well, no, no, no.

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He's saying that stuff.

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But here's why.

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To be fair, this episode, I believe, was before the tweet that he sent out threatening to

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attack cultural sites.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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So they don't have that in their body of information, but still.

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I think there's enough body of information.

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I would say so.

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Yeah.

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And that's the excuse that Syrian girl gives in order to not really blame Trump, which

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is, I would argue, dangerous and bad.

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What do you think Trump thinks he's doing is my question.

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Good question.

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I think, you know, I think they told him that this is a bad man that killed people and we

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need to take him out.

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I don't think he realizes the gravity of the situation because now this man is one of the

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most powerful men in Iran.

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And so if you if you think about it, I don't think he's the second most powerful.

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He was the most popular and most powerful person.

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I mean, because the Ayatollah is a moron, reportedly.

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He really was.

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We just killed the head of the Iranian government, something along those lines.

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And so anyone in the Iranian government right now is going to feel personally under threat.

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And if you're going to be or even even any of the world leaders right now are feeling

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personally under threat.

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And if that's the case, you know, what they have to retaliate, they have to do something.

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So this is a pretty bad look for a propagandist.

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Essentially, the best angle they're coming up with is someone told Trump Soleimani was

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bad so he killed him, not realizing the gravity of the act.

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Yes.

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That basically boils down to saying that Trump is so unaware of the world, so dumb, so malleable

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and gullible that he'll commit acts like political assassinations without understanding the stakes

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of his actions just because someone told him it was a good idea.

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Their defense seems to be that Trump is a fucking idiot, which shows how thin the soup

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has gotten.

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Yeah, this is bad.

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Yeah.

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We've been telling you that from the beginning.

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And it's now that you agree with us, somehow you think that's a good thing, right?

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Not good.

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This is how ineffectual the defense has gotten in January.

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I can't imagine how strained these people are going to be by the election.

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Like, of course, he's a moron who killed members of foreign governments that he totally shouldn't

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just because someone told him to.

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But you got to vote for it.

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Yeah.

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Seems like a bad pitch.

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He's never removed.

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He's never leaving.

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Also, when Alex says that the Ayatollah is a moron, reportedly, that's a reference to

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something that Steve told him earlier in the show in that interview.

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Steve kept saying that back in the day, he'd been to the Ayatollah Khomeini's house to

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negotiate things.

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Right.

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And while he was there.

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And he told him his son was stupid.

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Good luck dealing with him.

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Oh, my God.

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Yeah.

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So that's what Alex is working on.

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But reportedly.

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Reportedly.

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Right.

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That's just some dumb shit Steve told you.

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Yeah.

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Great.

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Cool out and grow up.

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And in some sort of he needs to be in a an assisted living home.

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I think he needs somebody to take care of his brain and keep his mouth shut.

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That seems too much like incarceration.

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I would say it does seem a lot like what needs to happen is like he's a name that people

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need to know.

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Yeah.

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Like people need to be more aware of the dangerous insidious influence that he is on a lot of

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this.

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And one of the problems that I think is so pronounced with him is he is able to be a

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bit chameleonish.

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Yeah.

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Like he's talking like this on Alex's show, but I've watched his own live streams or his

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streams that he does his little videos and they are a pretty different tone.

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When he goes on other shows, he has he he adapts to the environment that he's in based

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on what would be appropriate there.

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Yeah.

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And that makes him particularly.

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That's not good.

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Yeah.

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So he's fucking guys, man.

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So Alex is talking to Syrian girl there in a great time ish and Alex wants to get to

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some calls, but he just can't.

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I promise callers.

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I'm going to get to you one way or another.

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I love you.

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I appreciate you.

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And I respect you.

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And I apologize.

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I haven't gone to Carlos and Josh.

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Everybody.

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I'm coming to you next with Syrian girl.

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But listen, how smart she is.

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That's not smart.

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But you guys listen to all this.

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This is real politics.

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This is not really complex.

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It is.

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It's not just this or that.

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It's really complex.

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Listen to how smart and great these guests are.

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Steve was revising Holocaust history and I didn't even recognize it as it was happening.

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Syrian girl is saying this impeachment was just a setup to get Trump to attack Iran and

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that Trump is too stupid to know what he's doing.

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These are not good guests.

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This is good politics.

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This is bananas.

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This is stupid.

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So Syrian girl has presented that Trump was told that Suleimani was bad and he didn't

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know any better.

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So he went along with it.

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And now is I believe that's something that The Intercept reported on 10 minutes later

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or so, Alex is talking to her and you can see that this is a narrative that Alex is

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crafting.

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But I do think they came just like Syrian girl said and said, sir, he's a bad guy.

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He does all this.

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You can show him in public executions, hanging people and stuff.

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And Trump said, well, get that guy.

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And because he's a real personal type guy, doesn't want to just kill random troops.

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Oh, you want me to kill the head of something?

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I'll do that.

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So that's my view.

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And you know, but you're also making that up.

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That's all fantasized.

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Yeah.

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Alex is just making that up.

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And you can see how this works.

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So that's crazy.

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Says something that sounds good to Alex.

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He has a flight of fancy, starts imagining what Trump does and what he hopes Trump feels

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and delivers it to the audience as if it's a real possibility, a real thing that this

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is probably what happened.

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Yeah, it's it's very dumb.

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So Syrian girl complains that Trump is surrounded by swamp things, creatures of the swamp.

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He is of the swamp.

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Calm down.

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Yes.

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Uh huh.

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Yes, sir.

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And then she gets into some of her discussion and her her positions about chemical attacks

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in Syria.

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Trump, we know, is being surrounded gradually by more and more swamp people like Pompeo,

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like Lindsey Graham.

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You know, the fact is that he has been given bad intelligence in the past, for example,

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on Syria and the chemical attack that happened in Douma in, you know, 2017, 2018.

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We know now from the OPCW leaks that the whole thing was a sham.

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And yet Trump was misled into bombing Syria over that, that scene that you're being shown

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right now.

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It has been proven to be that it was absolutely nothing wrong with them.

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You're absolutely right.

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Stay there.

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It actually has not been.

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Now it's confirmed that it's a fake.

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It's a fake false flag.

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I guess.

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So it actually that has not been proven that the chemical weapons attack in Douma was a

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false flag.

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It was a fake false flag.

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I kept that clip in because it's one of the times that Syrian girl is more specific about

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the claims that she's making that serve to deny Assad's involvement in chemical weapons

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use.

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Following the release of the OPCW, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, their

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report about the Douma attack, WikiLeaks released some documents from inside the investigation

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that cast doubt on their conclusions, including an email from a member of the fact finding

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team that had a dissenting view and felt that his perspective was ignored in the OPCW report.

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These documents are used to argue that there was a massive coverup in the OPCW, which Syrian

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girl and Alex are now transforming into proof that this was a false flag.

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But none of these leaps of logic are actually earned in any way.

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The OPCW Director General Fernando Arias came out and explained that, quote, the nature

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of any thorough inquiry for individuals in a team is to express subjective views.

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While some of these diverse views continue to circulate in some public discussion forums,

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I'd like to reiterate that I stand by the independent professional conclusion.

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I honestly feel like it would be almost more suspicious if there was absolutely no dissenting

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voices in an investigation like this.

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No.

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That would either indicate them operating from a predetermined conclusion or a complete

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disinterest in other possible explanations.

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The presence of alternative viewpoints, as best I can tell, is more evidence that the

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conclusion arrived at in the report is the result of investigation.

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Honor hypotheses were there, but the evidence supported that supporting them were not good.

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That's what it seems like to me.

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Everybody knows that the most legitimate elections are one ninety seven percent to three percent.

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Everybody knows that that's the most legitimate form of election.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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I've looked into this a little bit.

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And like I said, I'm not an expert.

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But from the credible information, I can find this appears pretty clearly not to be a false

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flag.

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I would say I find very little compelling reason to believe that.

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When I weigh that against people who are saying this is a false flag, like Assad, Alex Jones

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and the Russian government, the picture of which side to err on, I think becomes a lot

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easier to figure out.

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So I just don't I don't I don't care for this much.

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And when her example for what proves definitively that this was a false flag is those OPCW leaks,

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they don't prove that.

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So if that's the tripod you're standing your camera on, you're not your camera's going

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to fall over.

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And I lost track of that metaphor in the middle of it.

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Don't worry about it.

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It's not a good foundation for what you're the narrative that you're trying to put forth.

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Yeah, it is.

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I don't know.

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Let me I guess I guess I want to put it somehow this way.

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And it seems impossible to me.

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But I feel like to a certain extent, up until recently, the conspiracy theories that they

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spun and the fanciful possibilities that they threw out there somehow seemed more possible.

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And as the insanity around them has become even more insane in order to justify it, now

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it's just turned into unicorns are real.

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We might as well, you know, like we're in pure magic territory.

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That's the, you know, that kernel of truth that conspiracy theories used to have is slowly

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getting smaller and smaller and smaller.

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Well, it's the, you know, in the political sphere, you have the Overton window quickly

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moves and what, you know, he moves to the left and the right where where is the topics

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of conversation appropriate the Overton window moves.

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And in the same way, that is true of these conspiracy things.

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Yeah, except it's a wonkavator.

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Right.

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Sure.

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There is no track.

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Yeah.

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And it could go anywhere.

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Yeah, I think that that's absolutely true.

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The the what's required to push something is probably is way less as all these ideas

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that are being discussed are so much more insane.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And there's no need to square them with each other.

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Well, when there's just no need, when when sort of polite society is having a conversation

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that's like level zero, crazy five is fine.

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Yeah.

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When society is up at five or 10, you got to go 20.

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Yeah.

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And otherwise, people like Alex only thrive on the appearance that they know something

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secret.

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Right.

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And if everything's crazy, you got to come up with a crazy secret that, you know, hence

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all of the everyone's a demon, everyone, everyone's a vampire.

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Yeah.

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Great.

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Cool.

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It's just escalation within the rhetoric.

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And I don't think it can de-escalate very well.

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Not without a harsh crash.

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So in this next clip, Alex uses a weird idiom that I want to discuss a little bit.

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This really has nothing to do with anything.

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OK.

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I want you to ride shotgun with me.

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And I promise you, if the if the hair didn't rise over Bear Creek, that's a combination

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of the hare lips, the admiral and water doesn't rise over Bear Creek.

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Very politically incorrect.

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I apologize.

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We're going to go to Carlos.

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So you're thinking about the ride shotgun part, right?

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No.

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The hare lips, Bear Creek.

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I've never heard that before in my entire life.

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No, because it's not an expression.

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Alex is conflating, too.

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But he's talking about how, like, I'm going to get to calls.

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So the term Alex was looking for, he was looking for isn't hare lips, the admiral.

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The general formulation of it is hare lips, the governor.

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That's an old Southern expression, which basically just means come hell or high water.

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OK.

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You know, I'm going to do this even if it hare lips, the general.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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Being that it's kind of making reference to people with cleft lips, I think it's probably

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a pretty insensitive expression that I don't think would be appropriate to use anymore.

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But I can't imagine that Alex is apologizing for that, that it's politically correct.

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I don't think so.

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That's a level of sensitivity that Alex is far from.

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OK, so then let's go to the second part of the idiom.

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If the water doesn't rise over Bear Creek is not a popular expression.

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It's kind of a formulation of Lord willing and the creek doesn't rise, which is a slang

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term that was actually used as a title for Spike Lee's 2010 documentary about the aftermath

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of Hurricane Katrina.

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The thing is, though, that those two idioms mean completely different things.

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The first is an expression that no matter what, come hell or high water, something is

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going to get done.

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The second is an expression that says that this thing is going to be done, provided that

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the creek doesn't rise.

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By mixing these expressions, Alex is basically saying that he's going to get to calls come

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hell or high water, but not if there's high water.

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Yes.

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That's what he's saying.

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Yes.

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It's super weird and probably completely meaningless, but I honestly find a subconscious truth buried

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in there.

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It's like Alex's brain is just built to make bold pronouncements about what he's going

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to do no matter what while simultaneously baking in reasons why some of it's never going

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to get done.

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Honestly, this accidentally, I think, is a pretty good idiom to describe Alex.

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It reminds me so much of the Chobani lawsuit, where he was on air screaming out how he was

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going to win that case or die in the process, and then he settled a week later.

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I'm not entirely sure what he thinks is politically incorrect about it, though.

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I have no idea.

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I was waiting for you to throw out some sort of Reconstruction era racial attack over

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Edwards Creek.

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We all know who Edward was.

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I thought that was what was about to go down.

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That's what I expected to find, but that's not the case.

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No, and that you're absolutely right.

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That is so weirdly perfect.

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That's so weirdly perfect.

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It could not have leaked out more of that combination of, even when I'm telling you

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something, I am also not telling you it.

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It's talking out of both sides of the mouth.

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So Alex goes to calls with Syrian Girl, and he gets a caller who has some very important

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information.

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He calls with Syrian Girl, with his listeners.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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He gets a very important piece of very real intel.

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I really wanted to let you know that there was another thing that I was more concerned

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about that I got wind of from some of my military contacts in Africa, that some of the FSA Al

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Qaeda backed operatives, about 700 of them, got flown out of Idlib, and it got placed

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down into Africa, and there's wind about them trying to collect Ebola and trying to use

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it.

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Okay.

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Well, that's amazing.

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And the caller's just- I helped for three hours for you, Alex.

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No, no, no.

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Stay there.

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I'm saying don't hang up.

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Start getting into it right now.

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I've got to go to these breaks, but start telling us about the Ebola.

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That's amazing.

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That's amazing.

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We're doing Ebola again, guys.

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Great.

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We're going back to this.

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Weaponized Ebola.

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Yeah.

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That was also a picadillo of Syrian Girl in the past.

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She has also disseminated Ebola narratives.

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Man, you just can't do that right now.

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You just can't.

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So that's where we're at.

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This caller, he's expressed this based on his intel.

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Meanwhile, we don't know who the fuck this dude is.

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Hey, I actually know a guy in Central South America.

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I can't tell you what country he's from, his name or general appearance or if he is a human

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being at all, but he does say that England is about to release a smallpox bond on Boston.

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So I mean, you can do with that information like immediately.

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That's amazing.

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Do whatever you want with that information.

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No big deal.

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My response to that?

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That's amazing.

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So, Alex takes this anonymous caller who's, you know, pushing this bullshit and he starts

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to build a narrative office.

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Sure.

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Great.

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What do you want to say about what he just broke down?

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Because I know that ISIS and Al Qaeda have said that they are trying to bring Ebola in

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and weaponize it.

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I know the Democrats and Soros are personally bringing thousands a week to Texas alone.

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The Border Patrol can't even stop them.

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Federal judges let them go.

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They go, I don't want you tested.

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Boom.

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Illegal aliens can shoot women in the back and California juries let them go.

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They go, she white?

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Tell them.

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I mean, the left is in a war against America right now.

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It's insane.

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And so that's why we just hope Trump can not be manipulated.

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What do you think?

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So the left is in a war against America is the thought that proceeds directly after his

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bullshit racist lie about being able to shoot white women in the back if you're an immigrant.

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You see how all of this stuff is filtered and eventually comes down the drain.

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And the drain is white nationalism.

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It is all this like, OK, ah, what are we going to do?

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We're going to come up with a narrative about how Al Qaeda and ISIS are going to Africa

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to get Ebola to attack us.

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Right.

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That all that is, is in service of keeping nonwhite people out of the country.

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That's all that they're doing here.

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That's that is the end result and the end goal of of this sort of rhetoric.

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I. Yeah, yeah, it's it's.

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I will let Trump do anything because I think he is going to give me a white Christian theocracy.

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Full stop.

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Yeah, that's that's the mindset or get us closer to it.

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Yeah.

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So Alex takes another call.

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And apparently this is news China, Iran and the deep state.

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They were all working together.

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Right.

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No.

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And that's what led to this attack.

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It is not.

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Oh, hold on.

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OK.

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But but there's a reason for it, which has not come up on this show at all yet ever.

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Well, I mean, I don't know if ever, but certainly not on this episode.

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OK.

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And Alex is into it.

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I was thinking that maybe China, Iran, each state was all intertwined and trying to throw

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Trump off and make him look weak right before going into this first phase of the trade deal.

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Yes.

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And maybe there are some more facets.

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What?

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I'll let you get to the other colors.

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No, no, no, no.

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That's a great point from your perspective.

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And this makes Trump look stronger.

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The Democrats in deep state are very upset right now.

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I think they were planning to manipulate this and get this a lot bigger.

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But but I also see Syrian girls perspective, which is that it's an escalation and it's

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not good.

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But like.

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Yeah.

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So you have Alex there getting this information from the caller who's like, hey, this was

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just to make him look bad for the trade deal.

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Yes.

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Unreal, unreal, unreal.

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Just a random caller calls in with speculation.

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Perfect.

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Nailed it.

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Sounds good.

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Top five answers on the board.

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Guess what?

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That's number one.

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And there are no others.

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Deeply irresponsible.

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I'm boggled.

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So this has been a really fucked up.

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It's this has been a fucked up situation.

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So this is the last clip here.

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And it's Syrian girl is discussing how this is an escalation.

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The killing of Soleimani is an act of escalation.

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And I think that, you know, all other things being left aside.

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Yes.

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I think that you can't really make a solid argument that it's not an escalation.

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So fair point to her, fair play.

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I told you that she used to be on and I haven't heard her on in a long time.

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And I think there might have been a fallout between Alex and her.

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And I base that on how this ends.

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This is something.

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This is an escalation.

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You know, this is this is absolutely right.

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But Soleimani was hated a lot of the Arab world and seen as a boogeyman.

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I don't normally agree with Atlantic monthly.

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But Saudi Arabia, of course, you know, the Saudis, the Saudis definitely hated him.

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He destroyed their ISIS and their Al Qaeda as well.

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So girl, I don't know.

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Hey, listen, I don't know why you haven't been on the show in a while.

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And whoever told you I don't like having you on the show is wrong.

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I don't know who told you that.

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But I want to get you back on the show on a routine basis.

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Please join us again next week.

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And we really appreciate you.

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People can get your perspective on things is very, very thought provoking that partisan

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girl on Twitter.

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And we really appreciate you joining us.

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Thank you.

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So someone told Syrian girl that Alex doesn't like having her on because I mean, why would

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he say that unless he had heard that from somebody?

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There's something going on there.

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And let me tell you this.

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This is a mystery.

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I have no interest in solving.

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Well, I would tell you he did he did give her the it reminded me of the Texan like bless

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your heart like that that like I want to have you on weekly is the meaning is inverse, which

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is I don't ever want to hear from you again.

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I disagree.

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I think he does want to have her on regularly because she is an extension even further of

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these old guests coming back.

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The present is being invaded by these people who Alex had left behind.

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Steve Pachannik is another example of that.

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This show has old school Alex people on it.

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And that's fucked now at the same time, while you have these old school people coming on,

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you have these old school callers who are calling in expressing this deep disappointment

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with Alex.

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There is a real tension brewing, I think, in Info Wars itself.

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I think it's I don't I don't know what it's going to lead to.

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And I just think I mean, if I if I had to sum anything up, I'd say this show sucks.

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Yeah, it's a disaster.

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His analysis of Iran in that situation is trash.

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It's stupid.

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He has no ability to push back on Steve saying wildly inappropriate and offensive things.

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Syrian girl is probably someone who we should if she does end up coming back on the show.

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I think we should look into a lot more deeply because I know that she has a pretty fucked

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up set of beliefs.

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OK, I just think that this is a bad show.

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Yeah, I will go one step further, Dan.

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Not only does this show suck, but the world sucks.

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The surrounding environment of the show.

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Not according to Alex.

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Oh, sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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So I don't know.

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I don't I don't know what what's going on.

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I don't know what's going to happen.

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But we will see because we'll be back if we if we will.

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But Jordan, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's Knowledge Fight.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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Is that knowledge underscore fight net?

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Go to bed.

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Jordan on Facebook.

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We are on Facebook.

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And you can download our show if you go to iTunes or podcast apps or whatever.

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Donate.

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You do the thing.

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Right.

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Do it all.

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Yep.

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Until then.

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Until we come back.

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I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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I am the juiciest ice cube.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.