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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.
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I have great respect for Knowledgefight.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
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Knowledgefight.
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Dan and Jordan, Knowledgefight.
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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.
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Need, need money.
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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.
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Andy and Kansas, Andy and, Andy and, stop it.
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Andy and, Andy and, Andy and, it's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding us.
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Hello Alex, I'm a big fan of color, I'm a huge fan.
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I love your room.
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Knowledgefight.
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N-N-N-N-Knowledgefight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little
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bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan?
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Jordan.
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When was the last time you got a kick-ass tattoo, Dan?
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Just this morning.
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What?
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Hey, at long last.
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At long last.
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We had as our, one of our sort of push goals, I guess, on our Patreon.
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Yeah.
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That I would get a show tattoo.
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And it is done.
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It is.
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This morning to shop here in Chicago.
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I had been trying to get it for a while, and I'm sorry there was a bit of a delay, but
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I really wanted my brother to design it, and he's a very busy guy.
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And so getting the actual design together took a little longer than expected, and then
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I'd gone to a couple places here in Chicago that I just didn't feel comfortable when I
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went in.
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Nothing against them, I'm sure they're fine joints, but I just didn't, I got a feeling
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like, eh, I'd rather feel totally comfortable when I go through with this.
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Yeah, there was a fun little text exchange that you had while you were in the tattoo
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parlor, and the guy is making the stencil, and you texted me just like, I don't know
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if this is good.
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I don't know if I like this.
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I don't think I trust this guy.
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That's not what it's supposed to look like.
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He's free handing it.
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Yeah.
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That was a weird one where I was like, here's the design.
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Here's a picture of an apple.
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So we'll post a picture of that on our Facebook group so people can enjoy, and thank you to
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everybody who donated to the show and helped us get to the point where we were.
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Yeah, all of our Patreon goals are going to be weird ass tattoos based off the show eventually.
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I'm going to become the illustrated man.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But just stupid Alex Jones references.
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Zan's body will be the illuminated manuscript that explains propaganda in the future.
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And for those of you who aren't on Facebook and can't end up seeing this picture, it's
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an apple with a bite out of it, a glass of whiskey, and life is very fragile.
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Oh yeah.
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In reference to his drunk hotel interview with Patrick Bet-David.
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One of the great days of our and everyone's lives.
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Indeed.
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Yes.
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So in honor of that and in that same spirit of thanking folks who facilitated and pushed
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my back into a corner where I have to get a dumb tattoo.
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Forever.
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Yeah.
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I'd like to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
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So first of all, Riley, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Riley.
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Thank you, Riley.
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Next, Hal, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Hal.
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Thank you, Hal.
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I believe that's Hal one, not 9,000.
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Right.
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How many Hals are there?
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Apparently at least 9,000.
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Okay.
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Fair enough.
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Next, Chris C. Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Chris C.
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Chris C. The C stands for conspiracy.
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It does.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There we go.
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Next, Chris K. Thank you so much.
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God damn it.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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The K also stands for conspiracy.
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Yeah, naturally.
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So apparently the way we get donations is just pick a name and then everybody with that
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name will donate.
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Yeah.
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That seems to be working with Chris.
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That works.
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Next, Patrick.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Patrick.
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Next, Molly.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Molly.
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Thank you, Molly.
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Next, Untold Aspect.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Untold Aspect.
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And then this last one, I'm not sure if it's mad coop or mad co-op.
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Oh, okay.
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Not entirely sure, but whichever it is, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you, Mad Coop.
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Or co-op.
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That'd be like the Mad Hatter, but it's a guy who makes barrels.
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The Mad Cooper.
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Or the Mad Cooperative.
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Right, right.
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There's a bunch of people working together.
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It's a great grocery store, though.
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So Jordan, today one of the things I wanted to do is also, I feel like in the spirit of
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tying up loose ends, I'm very bad at taking care of business that's outside of just doing
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this show.
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Right.
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Who's getting this tattoo squared away?
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Get it taken care of.
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Loose end.
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Tied up.
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Check that off the list.
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Get it out of here.
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And then something else I've been meaning to do and I have been just terrible with is
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I promised that we would have a special drop for the creator of our theme song, DJ Dan
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Arkey.
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Thank you.
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And we appreciate him so very much.
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Like this is just the best, this theme song, rave reviews across the board from everybody.
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Incredible.
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And it's shameful that it's taken me this long, but one of the things, I'm very bad
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at this stuff, an organization and forgetting.
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Like I always mean to like, all right, I'm going to get this drop together.
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And I just never do, but I sat down, I said, we're taking care of it today.
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So here is a special drop to thank you, DJ Dan Arkey.
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I am now bestowing upon you the title of Leo Young of the podcast.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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I love dolphins.
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I love tigers.
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I love elephants.
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They're magic creatures.
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Soon, I'm going to take my shirt off, folks.
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They call me the meme machine.
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I'm going to sneak off and piss on some tree or something.
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I got me a rock and roll band.
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It's free for all.
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I have ordered a Hitler uniform.
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You got that?
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You goddamn son of a bitch.
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Fill your hand.
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There's three ways to learn or maybe four, but this is what they teach is ignorance.
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So thank you so much, DJ Dan Arkey, the official Leo Young of the podcast.
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Absolutely.
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That's fantastic.
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Yes.
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Incredible.
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Thank you very much.
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So Jordan, today what we're doing is we're going back to the past 2013.
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We will be talking about April 21st and 22nd, 2013.
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This is of course in the aftermath of the Boston bombing and we will be sort of tracking
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the course of Alex's terrible coverage of this traumatic event.
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I think he's been doing okay so far.
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That's an interesting take directly counter to my position.
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Okay.
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I got you.
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He's been doing literally the worst job possible.
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I think if you asked me, what could he be like, what are, what way could he ruin it
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further?
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Yeah.
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What do you got opposite of like, um, what are like, uh, what, what, what are the bright
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spots?
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I would have, I would look at you very confused.
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I don't know if there are any bright spots.
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So here we are, Jordan.
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Uh, when we last left Alex in 2013, he was coming down from the high.
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He was writing when there was a complete absence of real information about the investigation
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into the Boston bombing and he was free to create his own narrative wholesale.
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After the Watertown shootout on the night of April 18th into the morning of April 19th,
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which left Tamerlan dead and his brother Johar armed and on the loose, Alex's show on the
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19th was a completely bizarre affair.
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Up to that point, he'd been insisting that the globalists had planned to blame a white
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Patsy he had discovered by looking at pictures that he found on 4chan, but because Alex released
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those photos, the globalists were forced to change their plans.
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Then after the FBI released the images of the Sarnav brothers, Alex pivoted the narrative
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since all the stuff he'd been yelling about for days had literally no relation to anything
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happening in the real world.
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Now the globalist plan all along had been to blame the imaginary Navy seals.
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Alex also decided we're there at the, uh, the marathon based on his analysis, again,
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of pictures he found on 4chan.
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And since Alex also somehow blew up that plan that the globalists had, they were, uh, putting
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Boston into a state of martial law so they could go around and kill all the Patsies who
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were in the pictures that again, Alex found on 4chan.
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So they could, uh, these people that they were cleaning up couldn't reveal that it was
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all the drill.
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Yes.
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All of this has been confirmed as true so far.
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And that was what he was selling on the 19th.
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And magically, just like that, Alex has created a preemptive excuse for why no one has ever
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come out and confirmed his dumb theories.
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The globalists took them all out.
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As we've discussed already, those men in the pictures that Alex found on 4chan that he
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thinks are seals are actually members of a couple of different States, national guards,
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civil support teams who are on scene at all large scale public events, ranging from one
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of the largest marathons in the world, all the way down to just MLB games.
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If you wanted to put the effort in, whoa, MLB games are at the bottom of this list.
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It's a smaller scale maybe than the Boston marathon.
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All right.
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I don't mean to insult your, uh, just being a Dick.
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If you wanted to put the effort in, you could almost certainly figure out who these people
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are and find evidence of them still being alive and working with their CSTs.
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I'm not saying that I did that, but I am saying that if I did, I would still respect their
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privacy and never discuss their personal details on this show.
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On his show on the 19th, Alex seems to have a keen awareness that his normal incitement
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laden behavior may be way too dangerous to engage in.
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While a city is in the middle of a large scale manhunt, that's not the time to call on citizens
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to rise up because it's the time when it's most likely to be taken seriously by the most
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unhinged of his listeners.
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Alex took a very strange approach and barely even talked about Boston being in a shelter
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in place request, about how an MIT police officer had been murdered the night before,
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about how there had been a shootout in a residential neighborhood.
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If you didn't know that these things were happening, you would not learn about them
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by listening to that day's Info Wars episode.
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I can tell you that very confidently.
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You'd learn about how Stuart Rhodes is a baby, about permits, and how Larry Pratt hates Muslims.
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That's about what you'd learn.
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Better for everybody, I guess.
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The 20th is a Saturday, so now Alex has no show on Saturday.
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Alex returns on Sunday the 21st, and by that point, the situation is largely resolved.
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To get us up to speed on what's happened, here we go.
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In the very early morning of the 19th, Governor Deval Patrick put out a shelter in place request,
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asking the people to stay indoors to help police better carry out their manhunt.
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At no point is this a demand, and it's not enforced by any coercion nor any force.
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Mass transit is temporarily suspended in the city, and Massachusetts National Guard is
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called in to assist police in carrying out door-to-door searches in targeted areas.
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As the day drags on, though, the authorities keep coming up empty.
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At 2 p.m., that evening's Red Sox game is canceled, and by 4.30 p.m., the command center
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is starting to wonder if there's any point in maintaining this shelter in place request.
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They've done their sweep, and they haven't found Johar, and they're beginning to fear
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that he's escaped the perimeter.
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At 5.30 p.m., service resumes on mass transit, and at 6.25 p.m., the shelter in place request
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is lifted.
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Then, 17 minutes later, at 6.42 p.m., the police get a 911 call from someone who lived
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at 67 Franklin Street, telling them that there's a bleeding man hiding in his boat, which is
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parked out in his yard.
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He'd not noticed that his boat had seemed to have been tampered with previously, because
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he'd stayed indoors honoring the shelter in place request.
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After the request had been lifted, he went outside to get some air, and he noticed that
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things weren't right.
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He looked under the tarp and saw a person inside.
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Police immediately jump into action, and they form a new perimeter around this address.
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At 6.54 p.m., police fire on the boat, but they're quickly told to cease fire.
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The officer who shot at the boat did not have proper authorization, but he saw motion, and
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as the suspect was thought to be armed and known to be willing to fire at police the
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last time they encountered him, he made a very bad assumption that he was about to be
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fired on, and then there was that sort of phenomenon of contagious firing.
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Police just hear someone shooting, and they assume there's a reason to be shooting, which
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again goes back to one of the main points of the police after action report, which is
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we need better weapons discipline.
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No, it's a common fucking joke in so many things where some guy will fire off his machine
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gun, and then 30 guys go off, and then the commander's like, Jesus Christ, what are you
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guys doing?
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They're like, this guy over here?
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I don't know.
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Yeah, that phenomenon was in play.
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Yeah.
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Almost an hour later, the police deploy flashbangs, but they're ineffective in getting the suspect
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to leave the boat.
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Negotiators came in to try and convince him to surrender, and that strategy is pretty
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ineffective as well.
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Man, I really want to caution everybody, maybe we should start with negotiator and then go
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to flashbang.
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You know, the order of those should be reversed, right?
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That's an angle that I think you can take, and I would be interested if that was Alex's
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perspective, but he doesn't seem-
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He doesn't seem interested in that one.
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I am not positive, even if you look at all of it, that someone didn't try and get him
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out of the boat before they threw flashbangs.
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No, for sure.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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But bringing in the professional negotiators might have been a little later.
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One thing it's nice to know is that in the rock, paper, scissors game, boat beats flashbang.
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That's nice.
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Not always.
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That's nice to know.
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Not always.
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So ultimately, Johar does leave the boat at 8.41 PM and surrenders to the police.
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The nightmare the city's been living in for about four days has come to an end.
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Four people are dead, and one has suffered injuries that will lead to his eventual death,
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and hundreds are injured.
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Countless people's lives have been changed in ways that it would be impossible to quantify
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in numbers, but at very least, the suspects are dead or in custody, and the people of
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Boston can breathe easily and begin the difficult process of rebuilding and healing.
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But that can also wait until the morning.
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That night, people flooded the streets in celebration, more or less forming flash mobs
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to decompress and release their tension.
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College students got drunk and yelled, USA, in large groups.
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More adult Bostonians gathered to applaud and thank the law enforcement officers for
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putting themselves on the line to catch the culprit.
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Watching the footage now, even six years later, the feeling of unity and that catharsis is
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palpable.
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By the time Alex gets on air the afternoon of April 21st, the chaos is over.
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The manhunt is complete.
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The temporary deployment of the Massachusetts National Guard has come to an end.
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The city of Boston had already announced a memorial to the victims and survivors planned
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to be placed in Copley Square.
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The suspects are no longer on the run, and the details of the actual investigation that
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took place over the preceding six days are starting to become public.
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The cement has dried, but Alex has managed to make a hellacious dent in the surface in
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the meantime.
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As we jump back in here, we will see Alex entering the next phase of his conspiracy
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building operation.
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When there was no information available, he knows that he needs to lay the groundwork
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for his narrative.
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He does this by immediately insisting the event is a false flag, displaying a confident
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knee-jerk defiance that draws people in who mistake that confidence as being based on
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some kind of a wisdom or rebelliousness.
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As any information has come out, he's worked to integrate it into his narrative.
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That's important.
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In this stage that we've been looking at so far, he doesn't adapt his narrative to match
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reality.
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He distorts reality to conform to his narrative.
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That Family Guy episode was actually about a Tea Party guy who joins the Taliban.
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That's shifting reality to match his narrative.
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CNN announced that the arrest had been made not because they got bad information, but
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because they were scared of Alex's coverage of the pictures he found on 4chan.
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The courthouse in Boston was evacuated not because of a bomb scare, but because Alex
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blew up their plan, so they had to switch out their patsies.
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Everything that Alex has been doing serves to use his overarching explanation that this
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was a false flag that the globalists are now trying to cover up to make sense of everything
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that happens that might seem confusing because of the absence of information.
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It's the rhetorical equivalent of a miracle pill that cures everything that he's trying
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to sell.
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One weird trick for propaganda.
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Now that the suspects are in custody or dead, Alex has to change to the next stage of conspiracy
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building, which is discrediting every piece of information that comes out about the official
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suspects and the story surrounding their crime and arrest.
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This is still somewhat aimed at distorting reality to fit his narrative, but it necessarily
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involves the opposite as well.
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There will be elements of reality that he just can't pretend aren't real, so in order
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to keep this going, he does have to fine-tune his narrative along the way.
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There's a little bit of this in the shift to saying that they'd plan to blame the SEALs
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all along.
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That's an attempt to jettison the white patsy narrative as being relevant to the conversation
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at all because it's not.
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That's him shifting his narrative in order to better suit the facts that are coming out.
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There are two elements of what Alex is doing that I find morally repugnant that I'd like
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to just say up front.
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The first is that what this is doing is specifically in service of creating an alternative reality
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that Alex then makes money off of.
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It's profoundly disrespectful to the victims and survivors of the attack, as well as the
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larger community of Boston.
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He's taking their pain and anxiety and trying to turn it into profit, which is abhorrent.
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The other thing is that, if Alex has his way, he's trying to get Johar Zarnev off the hook
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for the bombing.
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Now, in 2019, it's very easy for me to say that I have literally zero doubt about Johar's
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guilt.
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It's been very well substantiated both by hard evidence, circumstantial evidence, and
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his uncoerced confession and apology.
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There is a concrete reality here, and it's that Johar and Tamerlan Zarnev committed this
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bombing.
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Alex is working as hard as he can to create a reality where either they didn't do it or
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they did it because the government was using them as patsies, which serves to shift culpability
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more than a little bit.
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In a very concrete and real sense, Alex Jones, right now, as we're looking at him in 2013,
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is making money by doing damage control for terrorists.
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Sometimes it's easy to lose sight of that.
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
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You say that with all this judgment.
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It's easy to lose sight of that sometimes, so I just wanted to start off this episode
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by bringing a sharp focus to that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And in this first clip, we start to see that he is making a bunch more money off this.
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, Infowars.com and this radio show and my entire team has an
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incredible responsibility now more than ever.
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The traffic on the site is, quite frankly, scary.
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Tens of millions a day pouring into Infowars.com alone right now instead of a million a day
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or so as is normally there, so quite a responsibility.
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Quite a responsibility.
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Yeah.
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We'll see how that plays out.
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You know, a little bit.
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Whether there's a greater carefulness or attention to detail.
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Well, yeah, now that his responsibility is increased, he is going to increase his acting
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responsibility.
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With great responsibility comes great profits.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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I mean, his traffic is up 10 times, so he's gotten to that point by sort of mirroring,
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amplifying bullshit on the internet and sensationalizing and lying about an ongoing tragedy, so why
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not keep that up?
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You've market tested this now and it works.
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It's just that thing where it's like you see that glitch in humanity and you're like, fucking
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what are we doing here?
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The idea that in the absence of real information, Alex Jones makes 10 times as much money.
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Great.
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Great humanity.
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We're doing good stuff.
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Just to be fair, it's not concrete that it's 10 times as much money, but it definitely
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could be.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So Alex now gets to, since we're on the 21st, all of the stuff has happened already.
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So Alex knows the main beats of the resolution of the manhunt, all of this, and so he gets
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to talking about Johar getting taken in by the police and him coming out of the boat.
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The younger Zarnav brother climbs out of the boat and minutes later is in a tracheotomy
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and can't talk and is now in critical condition.
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Dead men tell no tales and now it's in the news, they're drugging him because the hospital
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staff aren't on the globalist payroll.
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They need to keep him drugged until they say he's okay and then he's going to be taken
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to a black site and he'll be given, I mean, you can give people amnesiac drugs that are
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easy to get with this prescription where they'll do whatever you want.
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You can say, walk off this cliff and if somebody four or five halcyon, they will.
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So none of that ended up happening.
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So that's cool.
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Who has, who has prescription privileges for amnesia pills?
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For halcyon?
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Everyone.
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Which doctors get that is, I assume there's a special license.
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James Bond has a license to kill every globalist has a license for halcyon.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Fair enough.
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Every single time there's some high profile event, Alex immediately says the person who's
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arrested for it is going to be drugged up.
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Usually on halcyon.
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It's a very important piece of his strategy because as long as he insistently argues that
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arrested terrorists are drugged up, it doesn't matter if they confess that their crimes no
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matter, no piece of actual evidence that they're guilty can penetrate this conspiracy theory
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at that point.
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Anything the police say is just a cover up of the false flag.
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Anything the perpetrator says is just the result of them being drugged by the globalist
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to cover up the false flag.
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It's basically an insurance policy for his narrative that he needs to invoke whenever
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a suspect is not killed during the arrest.
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Leave aside for a moment that when someone who's suffering from a mental illness is incarcerated,
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it would be profoundly inhuman to not give them appropriate care, including appropriate
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psych evaluations if needed and also if needed medication.
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Where Alex sees brainwashing and evil drugging, the reality is generally just getting psychotic
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people on anti-psychotic medication so they can ethically be put on trial.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It is just inhuman to watch somebody with a very serious mental illness spew their nonsense
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into the fucking ether sphere.
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Like if you're in his family or married to him or work at the same place that he does,
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if you just, if you keep a man from getting the medication that he needs to live a full
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rich healthy life, you know, I think that's where we're getting into trouble.
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It's inhuman, Dan.
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It's rough.
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It's very troublesome.
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So this tracheotomy argument that Alex is making was all the rage in conspiracy communities
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in the days after this arrest.
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And guess what?
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It largely traces back to an article that Alex posted on Infowars.
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The basic gist of this conspiracy is that after Johar had surrendered, the police gave
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him a throat injury so he couldn't speak and thus not blow the whistle about how he was
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being set up.
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Of course, this theory doesn't take into account how he was still perfectly able to write as
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he did as he was being questioned immediately by law enforcement when he was in the hospital.
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In October 2018, court filings were made public that included 79 pages that Johar had made
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and written while he was being questioned by the police.
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On notebook paper, he wrote, lawyer, and, quote, listen, buddy, I know my rights.
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No one is at risk.
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No bombs.
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No one will die.
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He asked the police, quote, is my brother alive a number of times.
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In a moment where he seems to be acknowledging his own guilt, he says, quote, we're at war,
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my friend, when he's discussing the US military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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He even says, quote, America is at war.
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Is it not?
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I did what is necessary.
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My people are dying.
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Other notes seem to be clearly indicating that he's telling the police that this was
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a conspiracy of two.
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Quote, no one else was involved.
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Quote, only he knew.
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Quote, my brother and I.
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Quote, we told no one.
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He pleads for them not to arrest Tamerlan's wife, who he swears had no idea what they
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were planning.
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Whatever would have been achieved by Alex's conspiracy theory of the police injuring Johar's
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neck would not have mattered at all.
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It's not like he was scheduled to do a press tour right after getting arrested and now
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couldn't because he couldn't talk.
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He ultimately might not have been able to speak, but he was perfectly able to communicate
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and he did a bunch.
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Also, he was able to speak again by April 22nd when he had his first preliminary hearing,
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which is in stark opposition to Alex's narrative, which is that Johar may never be able to speak
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again.
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Right, right, right, right.
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In his trial in 2015, Johar took the stand and said the following, quote, immediately
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after the bombing, which I am guilty of, if there's any lingering doubt about that, let
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there be no more.
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I did it.
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I did do it.
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You didn't make it hard, dude.
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I did do it.
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You fucking stick up for yourself a little.
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Most of his trial was about how Tamerlan was more guilty.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I did it along with my brother.
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I learned of some of the victims.
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I learned their names, their faces, their age, and throughout this trial, more of those
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victims were given names.
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More of those victims had faces and they had burdened souls.
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Now all of those who got up on that witness stand and that podium related to us, to me,
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I was listening, the suffering that was and the hardship that still is, with strength
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and with patience and with dignity.
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Now Allah says in the Quran that no soul is burdened with more than it can bear, and you
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told us just how unbearable it was, how horrendous it was, this thing I put you through.
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And I know that you kept that much.
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I know that there isn't enough time in the day for you to have related to us everything.
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I also wish far more people had a chance to get up there, but I took them from you.
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Now I am sorry for the lives I've taken, for the suffering that I've caused you, for the
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damage that I've done, irreparable damage.
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I ask Allah to have mercy upon me and my brother and my family.
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I ask Allah to bestow his mercy upon those present here today, and Allah knows best those
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deserving of his mercy.
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He may have pled not guilty initially, but his defense never really even tried to say
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that he didn't do the bombing.
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Anyway, about that neck injury.
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When police apprehended Johar, he was pretty banged up.
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He'd been in a shootout with the police the night before, and then was inside that boat
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when officers were shooting at it, not to mention the flashbangs.
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In the process of that, he suffered some serious injuries, according to the trauma surgeon
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who attended to him when he arrived at the hospital, Dr. Steven Ray Odom.
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Quote, he has multiple gunshot wounds, the most severe of which appears to have entered
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through the left side of his mouth and exited the left face, lower face.
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This was initially thought to be a self-inflicted wound, a botched attempt at suicide, but he
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didn't have a gun in the boat.
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The more likely explanation is that a stray shot happened, and it was remarkable that
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he survived.
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Dr. Odom said that the injury caused damage to his pharynx, which was treated in the hospital,
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including the help of a trach tube that was done at the hospital, not on scene.
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No one would do that outside the boat.
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It wasn't like the helpful doctor on a plane who's like, get me a pen, and stabs the guy
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in the throat, and he's like, he can breathe.
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Alex's conspiracy hinges on two photos from the scene of the apprehension.
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One shows Johar standing, approaching the police, surrendering.
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The other shows medics attending to him, with his neck appearing to be wrapped in gauze.
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According to Alex, the first picture shows no wound, and the second picture is of them
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treating a wound, therefore the police must have caused the wound to silence Johar.
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In reality, the first picture of Johar standing is very poorly lit.
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The entire left side of his neck is completely in shadows.
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Other photos from the same release of images show Johar in much better lighting, and that
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side of his face is almost completely covered in blood.
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The one image where the left side of his face is obscured by shadows makes things look pretty
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suspicious, but if you look at all available images, that argument falls apart very quickly.
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I like the idea of a person who is willing to accept two images as all the proof you
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need.
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Yeah.
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Call it a day, guys.
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Let's wrap it up.
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I got two pictures.
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Good enough.
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That's all I need.
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Many conspiracy theorists use that second photo of him with his neck wrapped in gauze
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as proof that the police were putting a tube into Johar's throat at the scene to silence
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him, and that's absurd, since the image just shows police using an assisted breathing mask,
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which is non-invasive.
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Everything that's provided as being suspicious here is exactly what you would expect to see
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if police encountered a suspect with a wound that was potentially impairing their breathing.
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They were performing first aid.
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Right.
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None of this is real at all.
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It's based on out of context and sort of manipulative photos, like the fact that they point so strongly
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to the one with his face in shadows as like, you don't see any wound, of course.
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You can't see half of his face.
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Right.
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So anyway.
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If you dump a bunch of photos, there should be a law that you don't get to just pick two.
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If you dump a bunch of photos, then if somebody just uses two and draws a conclusion, it's
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like, no, no, no.
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That's a find.
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Find.
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That's a good indication.
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They might not be on the other side.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So that's one of his big ways to attack the story that they put a tube in his neck to
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try and silence him immediately.
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That's a part of the new strategy, the new manifestation of the conspiracy building.
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So now they've killed all of the patsies except for their final patsy, who they didn't succeed
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in killing.
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Well, they wanted to kill him, but because the shelter in place order was rescinded,
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the media was able to sit there and they could kill him.
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Alex will articulate this later in the episode.
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Of course.
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Of course.
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That's his theory.
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Right.
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The theory is very generous.
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Yeah.
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Bullshit.
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That's his theory.
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So this is fun.
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This part's fun.
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This next clip is actually like, a lot of these are just dumb, stupid and probably dangerous
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lies.
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Blasphemous at least.
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Yes.
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This one is kind of fun.
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Thank you so much for joining us.
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Where should I start today?
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Where should I start?
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I think I should start with this article out of the Hollywood Reporter.
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Again, Alex Jones here, your host.
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Thank you for joining us today.
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FCC blesses Red Sox player F bomb.
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He spoke from the heart video.
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So normally there'd be a giant fine on the network that aired it and then that would
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be passed on by the players union and the league to David Ortiz.
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Emotional Fenway Park speech included the line.
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This is our effing city.
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But the government, the FCC is deciding that's okay.
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Now, now, now, quite frankly, I think it is okay.
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But you cannot then ever find anybody else for cussing during a family program like baseball.
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As American as baseball and apple pie.
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Do you have a F this over apple pie and baseball?
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Do you do that at grandma's house?
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No, you go to a bar and talk like that or you do that on sailing ships.
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Okay.
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If you're in the Navy sailing and again, I'm not obsessed over people cussing, but I'm
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sick of selective enforcement.
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So in their first number one story out of Boston, April 21st, let's get this one.
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Let's get the number one story out of the way and then we'll get to page two news, whatever
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that may be.
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Right.
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This is how he like, this is such a good indication of him taking like these boutique kind of
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like trivial issues and trying to make them super important when it's like, Hey, the Boston
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bombing is resolved.
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Yeah.
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But hold on.
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David Ortiz gets to say, fuck and I don't, I got to bleep it or I spent 500 bucks or
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whatever.
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What about Janet Jackson's nipple?
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Where are we on that, Dan?
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So in their first game back at Fenway Park, the Red Sox were set to play the Kansas city
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Royals on April 20th, 2013.
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Before the game, it felt appropriate to address the crowd because they had to cancel the day
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a days before in the city was in this state.
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Right.
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Um, and as David Ortiz is something of an elder statesman on the team, he was asked
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to say a few words.
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He thanked the governor and the police then said, quote, this is our fucking city and
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nobody is going to dictate our freedom.
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Stay strong.
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Cue to the crowd going completely nuts.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Everybody love it.
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I hate, I hate that kind of shit.
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I have no civic pride, but I would be there being like, fuck yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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This is a city that had just been terrorized.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, no, no.
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You get, you get that one.
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That one's on you, man.
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Big Poppy didn't get in trouble for this, even though his comments were broadcast on
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live TV.
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Uh, in fact, the head of the FCC, Julius Genachowski tweeted out, quote, David Ortiz spoke from
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the heart today at the Red Sox game.
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Fuck yeah.
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I stand with Big Poppy and the people of Boston.
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God, can you imagine if the FCC really tried to enforce that?
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The entire United States heard that.
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No matter how much you hate bad language, they heard that with like, fuck yeah.
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Yeah.
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And that's like my, like my position on it is who gives a shit.
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Yeah.
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Come on, man.
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So there are some very good reasons beyond just the horrible optics of like trying to
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find David Ortiz for this, that they decided not to find him.
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One of them is that the game was being broadcast on cable, which is outside the jurisdiction
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of the FCC.
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The game was also airing on the radio though, so they could have hit him with a fine for
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that.
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So let's get to the story.
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That's important.
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Previous to the bombing, Julius Genachowski had put in his resignation as the head of
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the FCC.
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All right.
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He was on it.
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He was on his way out the door.
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Fuck.
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Yes.
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So he had zero interest in punishing someone for a passionate expression of solidarity
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in the aftermath of a tragedy, man.
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I put it by two weeks, dude, you get to say fuck whenever you fucking want.
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Yeah.
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And it's, and it's the sort of thing where it's like, okay, so someone new is going to
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take over the FCC in like a month.
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Like you want to go back and do that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You have fun.
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You have fun.
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I'm not going to do this.
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So Bleacher Report did an oral history of the speech Ortiz gave and here's what Genachowski
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said, quote, I knew that there would be people who saw that he'd used the F word on the airwaves
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and would ask me, oh, is that a violation of the FCC rule and is the FCC going to punish
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that?
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That's an editorial tone of voice, but.
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My first thought was no fucking way we're going to punish this.
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In the same oral history, David Ortiz says what he remembers the head of the FCC telling
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him.
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Yeah.
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Quote, it was like, look, you said something that got this city moving forward.
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It took the fear out of people.
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You have no idea what you just said.
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That's going to be in the history of New England forever.
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It was right when we needed it.
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Don't worry.
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We needed that F bomb.
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Yeah.
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And he also said, my last act is not going to be the guy who fined David Ortiz for saying
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fuck.
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Yeah.
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After we caught the Boston bomber.
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That's not how I'm going down in history.
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After days of being on edge, a terrifying 24 hours of this uncertain manhunt, the city
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was allowed to breathe a collective sigh of relief.
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Relief is good.
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And what David Ortiz did is hit a pressure release button, providing a rally and cry.
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And no one, not even the censorious FCC couldn't see that this moment was important for so
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many people.
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Yeah.
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Equal measures of rebelliousness and reassurance.
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It was perfect.
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Big Poppy would end up hitting a grand slam to tie game two of the ALC championships and
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keep Boston's playoff, playoff hopes alive that year, ultimately leading them to win
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the world series with Ortiz taking home the honors of world series MVP.
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It's really the stuff of fairy tales and anyone who can't appreciate the 2013 Red Sox is either
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a complete monster or just a diehard Yankees fan.
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Yeah.
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And they're still salty about not winning the world series in 2001 after 9-11.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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God, that would be, that's the only thing.
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Damn the Diamondbacks.
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George W. could have done one thing in his presidency and that's the day after 9-11 come
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out and been like, fuck you terrorists.
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I would have been like, well, at least we got one on the board and said it was shit
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all, all from start to finish.
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Well, I mean, you just imagine a scenario where like, I don't know, a month after 9-11
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you got, uh, A-Rod was he on the Yankees at that point?
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Yes.
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No.
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A-Rod wasn't on the Yankees in 2000.
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Uh, Jeter?
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Uh, Jeter was.
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Yeah.
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Jeter comes out.
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Jeter comes out.
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This is our fucking city.
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Yeah.
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I don't think anyone's going to be mad about that.
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They're, you know, I understand the idea of selective enforcement being bad, but you also
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got to understand.
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Come on.
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Yeah.
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Come on, man.
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Come on.
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Come on, man.
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Grow up.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's ridiculous.
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Come on, man.
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Um, so Alex, uh, is, is pretty much, he's like, I'm not anti profanity, but I'm not
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anti profanity unless I slam my, my hand in a door or something.
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Then you will hear some.
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Or I just get mad.
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Yeah.
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A lot.
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All the time.
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Whenever I get mad.
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But it's a family show.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Uh, so Alex thinks that this selective enforcement of finding Derek, Derek Jeter, David Ortiz,
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uh, is tyranny because any kind of selective enforcement is tyranny.
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Again, this is the essence of tyranny is when things are selectively enforced.
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We have a county district attorney.
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Now the film has been released of her restrained drunk, spitting on people, driving down the
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wrong side of the road.
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And the democratic party here in Austin, Texas says she will stay in office and she is above
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the law.
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She had right at three times, right, right below three times the legal limit.
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And again, if I drink two beers and drive home, they'll take me to jail.
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I empathize with it.
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Alex is saying about selective enforcement, but I also think that there's room for understanding
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extenuating circumstances.
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If the excuse was just David Ortiz was emotional, like Alex is trying to present, um, you know,
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like is if he had just hit a game winning home run, then I think that excuse is a little
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bit soft given that he was just asked to speak before the first Red Sox game back after the
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city was terrorized by bombers.
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I think it's probably okay to enforce obscenity laws a little selectively in that case.
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And again, my advice to Alex is grow up.
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Yeah.
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The only thing you don't get to say is, man, I wish that bomber was still free.
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Like you don't get to say that one after, other than that, you could do anything about
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it.
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No.
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See, that's a, that's a bigger issue.
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Now about this Austin district attorney, Alex is talking about a woman named Rosemary Lemberg,
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who was arrested for drunk driving on April 12th after her car veered into a bike lane,
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then into oncoming traffic, allegedly the officer who pulled her over, saw an open vodka
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bottle in the passenger seat.
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So this was what you call an open and shut case.
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According to an article in the Austin Chronicle, the officer wrote in his affidavit that she
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was, quote, cooperative and polite, which seems counter to Alex's characterization.
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The day after her arrest, she wrote letters to the county attorney and the court and said
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that she would plead guilty and that she expected no leniency.
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According to a later Chronicle article, she was sentenced to 45 days in jail and lost
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her license for 180 days.
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She also had to pay a $4,000 fine, which is the highest fine allowable for a DWI.
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She was charged with that form of DWI.
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The strictness of the punishment is particularly notable since this is a first offense, like
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it's very harsh punishment for a first offense.
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It's kind of uncommon if you don't kill somebody or hurt somebody to get any jail time for
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a first offense DUI.
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This was a, this was like a statement.
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Nobody is above the law.
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And she kind of asked for it.
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Yeah.
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Because she recognized that it would send a bad message.
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We have to make this all look, it's like, it's above board.
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We have to do the whole thing.
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And it's my fault.
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Yeah.
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The Democrats never said that she was above the law and neither did she.
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They just felt that a DWI isn't necessarily something that you should get thrown out of
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office for, particularly when you take responsibility for your actions.
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All the details Alex is rattling off, particularly her spitting on people is not substantiated.
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Video from Lemberg's arrest has been released and I won't lie, it's not a good look, but
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it's not too different from how just about anybody would be after getting arrested for
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a DWI.
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She's trying to talk her way out of it and being a little bit rude to the police, but
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it's not that crazy.
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Right, right, right, right.
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I would imagine a lot of people would look way worse if you had video of them getting
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arrested and still kind of drunk.
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Alex is using allegations that were put out against Lemberg by her GOP enemies who were
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trying to use her DWI as a way to get her out of office.
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Then Governor Rick Perry would try to use the DWI to try to get her to step down, threatening
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that if she didn't, he would defund her office.
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She refused, he defunded her office, and then Perry got indicted by a grand jury for trying
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to coerce a public official to resign.
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Wait, are you saying that you can't do that?
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No.
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Because that sequence of events sounds like something that is enshrined in our constitution.
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No.
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You should be able to dishonestly and in bad faith pressure somebody into doing what you
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want in a public office.
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Nope.
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I don't understand how that's an issue, Dan.
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Perry fought the indictment and after he ended up leaving office, all charges against him
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were dismissed and some sort of a deal.
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Anyway, this whole thing is a big two-sided mess.
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On one side, you had a DA who got caught drunk driving, lashed out a little bit, then apologized
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and submitted herself to the process of making things right.
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It's always wrong to drive drunk, but if you do and learn your lesson, it's the best possible
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outcome short of not doing it ever.
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On the other hand, you had a concerted effort to blow the DWI out of proportion and use
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it as a political weapon to get a Democrat out of office.
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We see which side Alex is on, he's just towing the GOP line trying to get a Democrat DA out
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of office.
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You know, it's not that... I don't want to say that it's blowing the event itself out
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of proportion.
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I think DWI is a very, very serious fighting offense.
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I agree.
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I agree.
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I'm not saying that they're... I don't think they're blowing it out of proportion.
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I think they're using it in a disingenuous and dishonest manner.
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I think we're saying the same things, but I agree maybe your phrasing is better.
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Yeah.
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I just don't like that blowing, oh, it's just a DWI, you know, that kind of feeling.
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You know what I'm saying?
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I'm not trying to minimize-
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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I know you're not.
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Right.
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Right.
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I think it's just cleaning that up.
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Fair enough.
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Yeah.
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Forbes apparently has written an article about Alex.
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Sure.
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He's not happy about it.
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They don't like his conspiracies.
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I don't know why.
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But we don't care what evidence you have of other groups being involved.
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Americans love a win.
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It's like, man, our team beat the Muslim team, beat the Al Qaeda team.
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Our team won.
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You killed three people, including an eight-year-old boy, and you know what?
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Our police went in there and set up martial law, and that's what we like.
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The whole city lockdown, door-to-door searches, which actually kept the population from finding
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the guy.
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And then after the prison lockdown happened, martial law, that's what it is, don't come
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out of your house or we'll shoot you, a citizen found one of the guys hiding in a boat under
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a tarp.
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Important point.
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At no point was there an understanding that if you come out of your house, you'll be shot.
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No.
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That is absurd.
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It was a voluntary shelter-in-place request that most people honored because they believed
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like, okay, yeah, I understand.
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Or if you work some job you don't want to go into, perfect excuse to take the day off.
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Oh, hell yeah.
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Hell yeah.
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And that's minimizing it a little bit.
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Yeah, a little bit.
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But most people-
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We are humans, okay?
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What was it?
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Like a year later they did the poll and the reference on our last episode, there was 83%
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still supported the behaviors a year after the fact?
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You know, that's like a casualty that you don't often think about with Alex, but it's
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like he just can't be happy.
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He can't be happy.
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They caught the terrorist and he can't be happy they did because even catching it is
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proof that there's still more work for us to do or they're still lying to us or all
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that shit.
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He can't just be like, fuck yeah, we got them.
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There is no win except the imaginary win over imaginary enemies that will never come.
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Ever.
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Yeah.
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So he said in that last clip that this is martial law and he says some more about that
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here.
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The quote, lockdown, that's what martial law is.
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Don't come out of your house or we'll bust a cap in your butt.
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That's what it is.
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It was just a giant, ridiculous exercise in planting the flag on the Republic, violating
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posse commentatis, all of it.
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And the system says, hey, America, you had your big win.
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So the baseball player, he can cuss in front of millions of little kids watching.
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Of course, if your kid repeats that in school, he'll be suspended or expelled or in some
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cases arrested.
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But that's okay.
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That's okay.
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So what happened in April on April 19th in Boston has all the optics necessary for Alex
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to call it martial law.
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But it fails in some very important points that he does not care to recognize.
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The first is, as I've mentioned, all the law enforcement actions, the door to door searching,
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the drag nets, the shelter in place requests were done by the state government through
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appropriate channels.
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All of Alex's martial law fears involved the federal government and specifically FEMA.
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The situation doesn't match any of his tyranny fantasies at all.
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The second important aspect is this was a very temporary thing.
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Alex always talks about martial law coming in and staying in place.
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It's not just a couple hours when an armed guy who's already killed a cop and bombed
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a marathon is on the loose in a known area.
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For the situation to match Alex's paranoid fantasies, they would need to have not caught
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Johar and kept the city and martial law in a state of fear.
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That's not what happened here.
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Finally, most basically and most importantly, this was not martial law.
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This is important to point out because the way Alex uses that term so flippantly leads
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to it losing any meaning.
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But martial law is a real thing and it has defining characteristics.
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So let's discuss a few of them.
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The first is suspension of civil rights.
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This did not happen in Boston in the aftermath of the bombings.
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No one's rights under the constitution or bill of rights were suspended.
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Habeas Corpus was still in play.
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They did re-segregate the schools during that lockdown though.
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That was a really weird, did not, it was a really weird day.
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They brought back prohibition and then got rid of it again and then brought it back a
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second time for fun.
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The second characteristic is military control of civilian governance.
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This did not happen in Boston.
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Massachusetts National Guard were allowed to partake in policing activities at the order
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of the governor, which is completely constitutional, and they were not in charge of normally civilian
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governmental roles.
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The chain of command and governmental structure remained unchanged from how things were on
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April 14th before the bombing.
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The third feature is civilians being tried in military tribunals.
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This did not happen in Boston.
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There are plenty of examples from history of actual martial law, and what happened looks
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nothing like that.
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And here's the thing that Alex will never address that's the most crucial thing.
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Like I said, no one had to stay inside their homes.
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This is merely a request the governor made.
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There's no punishment they would face if they left their homes.
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There's a bunch of pictures you can find that the people have posted of that day highlighting
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the eerie emptiness of the city.
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But if you look at those pictures, they all, almost all of them, have people walking around
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in them.
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The shelter in place was entirely voluntary.
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Most people felt that it made sense to stay inside.
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This is nonsense.
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Yeah.
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Most people would have stayed inside.
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Alex is full of shit.
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You could have just said, we're doing a citywide manhunt.
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Most of the city would have been like, cool, I'm going to say, I'm going to, Hey, there's
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some cartoons on this like categorically what he, what happened in Boston is nothing close
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to martial law and the way Alex uses that term cheapens the reality that martial law
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is a real thing and it's a fucking scary prospect in 2019 there are literally people calling
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for things that are characteristics of martial law and they're all Trump supporters.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So I, I just like the reason that I think this is important to like look at some of
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these defining characteristics of martial law is Alex's brand is Mr. Martial law and
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the way he uses that term is so not correct, uh, it deserves, it deserves a little bit
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of a focus.
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And they, they, they, uh, secretary of defense did appoint Lieutenant Colonel Kincaid to
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be comptroller of Boston.
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So there is a little bit of a military June to, there are examples from American history,
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like even in the aftermath of the Chicago fire, like that, that was actual martial law.
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Yeah.
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Uh, military took over the city.
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That's crazy.
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Um, and sure, sometimes it's not done in a way that's to oppress the citizens of the
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city.
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It's a, it looks nothing like what happened in Boston.
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Alex is just trying to score cheap points.
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Yeah.
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I, there's, there's no way that you could, it's one of those things where you can throw
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around, Oh, this is martial law all you want, but living through it is like probably not
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living through it.
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No.
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So Alex has decided of course that there was a drill going on at the marathon, which he
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has failed to really establish in any meaningful way.
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Right.
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And there are other ways that he, like he uses that to prove that this was a false flag
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because these other times in the past when there have been drills, there was also a false
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flag.
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Right.
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One of the ones that he brings up that we haven't really discussed in detail is the
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seven, seven bombing.
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And Alex discusses how that was a drill in this next clip.
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And then I'm very excited to explain to you what he's actually talking about and how full
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of shit this guy is.
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Terror expert, London bombings mastermind is MI6 assets.
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Oh, Oh, a Saudi Arabian, a SWAT from a big powerful family handled the supposed bombers
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who thought they were part of a drill.
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That's Fox news, AP Reuters, London Telegraph from 2005.
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See, it's, I know what I'm looking for because I've seen it about a thousand times.
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I cannot stress this enough.
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Alex thinks that everything is a drill.
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Every major event in the world is orchestrated by the globalists who then take these drills
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and make them go live in order to cause chaos and push their agenda.
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Every single one of them in the case of the Boston bombing, Alex has been making frequent
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references to the seven, seven bombings in London and how there was a drill that same
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day as a way to strengthen his argument that the Boston bombing was a false flag as proven
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by the drill they were having that day.
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As we've discussed on the April 15th episode, there's no evidence that there was any kind
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of a drill happening at the marathon, but there are some indications that there was
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a crowd desensitization exercise happening for police dogs.
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Alex has taken that and turned it into there being a bombing drill going on with literally
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no evidence except a couple of pictures he found on 4chan.
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I'd waited a while to discuss the seven, seven stuff because there were more pressing issues,
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but now I feel like it's a real good time to touch on this issue and how full of shit
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Alex is.
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On July 7th, 2005, four terrorists detonated bombs, three of them in the underground trains
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and a fourth on a double-decker bus, killing 52 people.
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It was a horrible attack that deeply traumatized the city of London.
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That same day, after the bombings, a man named Peter Power, who ran a company called Vicer
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Consultants, went on BBC and said that he'd been working on a drill that involved simultaneous
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bombings at the same stations that the attacks had taken place at.
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From that, Alex and Paul Joseph Watson began spinning a conspiracy that what happened is
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that these drills were being carried out by this consulting firm and the globalist, of
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course, and in the middle of the event, things went hot and the bombing turned real.
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They were the leaders on this theory and were largely responsible for its dissemination
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and they did literally zero fact-checking or research at all.
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Alex's article on the supposed drill says that they were, quote, running a 1,000-person-strong
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exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations at
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the exact same times as happened in real life.
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This is obviously meant to tell the reader that there were a thousand people involved
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in this drill to test the response to a potential bombing.
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However, this is a complete lie and they would have known that if they'd reached out to Mr.
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Power or looked into this in any way before deciding on a narrative.
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Here's what Power actually said, quote, at half past nine this morning, we were actually
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running an exercise for a company of about a thousand people in London based on simultaneous
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bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning.
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The thousand-person number was how many people worked at the company for whom he was doing
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a presentation and there was a very low likelihood that all of them were even in his session,
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his lecture that he was giving.
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This was a corporate seminar that Power was presenting.
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There were no people in the streets.
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There was nothing other than a scenario and a PowerPoint presentation and a bit of a coincidence.
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People who have looked into Peter Power have suggested that he was doing a little bit of
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self-promotion in this BBC presentation and his appearance on the BBC.
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His scenario did not identically match the events of the 7-7 bombings, but it's in his
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business's best interests to make it appear that the corporate risk management lectures
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that he gives are as close to prophetic as possible.
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This is it.
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This is the drill that Alex thinks proved the 7-7 bombing was a false flag.
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An attention hungry corporate lecturer.
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So this dude is on a self-promotion grift and then he's used by right-wing propaganda
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grifters in order to fucking facilitate more terrorism essentially.
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Cool.
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Cool.
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It's such utter and complete shit how cynical Alex and Paul Joseph Watson are.
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There's just literally no way that they can keep doing this and have no idea that they're
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complete frauds.
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Can you imagine them portraying this honestly?
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Like Alex getting on air and trying to argue that the bombing was fake because a guy was
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giving a risk assessment seminar that had similarities to the bombing.
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Can you imagine them being straight up with the audience about this alleged drill not
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being anything that involved the police or operatives or anyone on the street and only
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existed as a PowerPoint presentation?
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He'd never do it because he's a liar.
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All terrorist acts begin as PowerPoint presentations, Dan.
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We all know this.
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I've seen the ISIS materials.
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They don't use Keynote.
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They tried at the very beginning, but you couldn't pay attention long enough so they
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switched to PowerPoints.
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It's a very complicated system.
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They still use projectors.
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Sure.
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I can't find the article that Alex is referencing when he says that a terror expert says the
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mastermind of the 7-7 bombings was MI6.
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I searched Infowars website and I found a blurb about this, and apparently it's in relation
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to a guy on Fox News saying that Haroon Rashid Aswat may have worked with British intelligence
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in the 90s in Bosnia.
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That may be true, but it doesn't prove that he was ever or is still an MI6 asset in 2005
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when the bombings happened.
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It certainly doesn't prove that the bombings were a false flag at all.
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Also, Haroon Rashid Aswat was not one of the 7-7 bombers.
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Some suggested that he was the mastermind of the attacks, but this absolutely has not
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been proven.
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Whether or not Aswat was a string puller of the 7-7 attack or whether or not he worked
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with British intelligence 15 plus years earlier in a regional conflict, none of that matters
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to the larger point Alex is making.
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Those things can be true and not be evidence that this was a false flag.
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That's possible, so I don't really care.
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The central point that he's making is about this being a drill, and his version of that
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is categorically not true.
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Also, Aswat is not Saudi Arabian.
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He was born in the United Kingdom, but his family is from India, so good one on that
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Alex.
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But he's trying to weave in Saudi Arabia a little bit.
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Yeah, throw it in there.
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Why not?
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Because it's a little more hot in the Boston bombing conspiracy world by the 21st.
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And he's brown, so nobody's going to look into it.
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I did.
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So there's another piece of information that has come out that is that Russia, the Russian
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intelligence had warned the United States about Tamerlan Tsarnaev in the past.
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So now this is going to become a central piece of Alex's rhetoric moving forward.
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The Russians came to the FBI two years ago to get it on record and said, we want you
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to go interrogate these guys that are going back and forth and hanging out with these
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extremists who are attacking us, by the way.
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Turned out the FBI was handling them five years ago.
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Oh, and here's a big smoking gun for all of you.
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And people are asking, hey, what's Alex getting at?
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I'm just giving you the information.
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I don't know exactly what's going on here.
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Sure don't.
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All I know is every time there's a terror attack, whether it's 7-7, the London bombing
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or this, CIA, FBI, MI6 agents are running the people.
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Prove that.
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Anyway.
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Anyway.
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You know, it's more, it's more like, you know, everybody that was around in the eighties
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and nineties, they worked with the FBI, the CIA, and then they became terrorists.
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The eighties, like the Iran Contra and that whole thing was like the velvet underground
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for terrorists.
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You know, like everybody, everybody, you know, not everybody saw the thing, but everybody
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who was there started their own terrorist group.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Okay.
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Interesting.
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Interesting metaphor.
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That's my, that's my metaphor for that.
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On the question of whether or not Russia warned the United States about Tamerlan Tsarnaev,
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the answer is they definitely did.
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The FSB told us in March, 2011, that Tamerlan was associating with known terrorist extremists
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and we should keep an eye on him.
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This triggered an investigation carried out by the Boston Joint Terrorism Task Force.
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They interviewed Tamerlan, but they were unable to surveil him because the evidence they had
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didn't rise to the legal standard of that kind of a measure.
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The FBI's memo of their, about their interview.
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Russia is just like, come on, you can stare at him anyways.
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We do it.
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Come on.
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What are you doing with your laws?
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Come on.
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Right.
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So the FBI's memo about their interview with Tamerlan has been released and the interview
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took place on April 23rd, 2011.
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The readout sounds like a pretty clear cut interview following up on a tip from Russian
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intelligence with Tamerlan discussing that he goes to mosque once a week, has no connections
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or interest in radical Islamic ideas and respects people of all faiths.
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Of note in the memo is that he tells the FBI about how someone he knew was approached by
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four men who claimed to be FBI who wanted to talk to Tamerlan.
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They left no ID or way of contacting them and he hadn't heard from them since.
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This is definitely weird, but it definitely doesn't necessarily follow that these people
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were actually FBI or even with the government.
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Some strong indications have come out that Johar was selling drugs, so Tamerlan could
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have had some second or firsthand contact with criminal elements who might want to try
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to intimidate him with that kind of a stunt.
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There are other explanations for what this could have been.
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The reason I strongly discount the possibility that these people were FBI is that the report,
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which was restricted to internal use only, treats these four guys as an unknown entity.
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It makes specific note at the end of the memo that Tamerlan was open to reporting to the
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FBI if these men tried to contact him again.
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Overall you're left with the impression that the FBI doesn't know anything about these
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four guys and that they have little idea who Tamerlan is nor much interest in him other
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than following up on this FSB tip.
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By June 2011, they'd done whatever investigating they could do and were unable to find any
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links to terrorism.
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For safe measure, they added him to a customs and border protection list that would flag
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him if he tried to leave or enter the country.
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There were two notes in this database about Tamerlan and neither were effective in causing
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his detention when he flew from New York to Moscow in January 2012 and back in July 2012.
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The first note, it didn't consider him a high priority target.
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So on the day that he was traveling to Moscow, there were about 100 other names on the watch
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list that authorities were detaining and questioning and as he was a lower priority, the resources
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available were expended elsewhere and he was able to get through on stopped.
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By the time Tamerlan returned, that original note on the customs and border protection
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profile or whatever, that had expired.
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But a more severe note had been made in the meantime, which was still in effect.
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This was the result of a second warning from the FSB, which led to Tamerlan being considered
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a very dangerous person and made his detention mandatory.
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However, the agent who wrote that second note misspelled Tsarnaev when they were entering
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him into the system and thus when he tried to return to the country that July, it didn't
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raise any alarms.
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This is the second time in the case of the story when proper data entry would have saved
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people probably some trouble.
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Man, that's such a bummer.
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That's such a fucking bummer.
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Instead of an A, I typed an E, now it's a Boston bombing.
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I mean, it's not a one-to-one.
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I know it's not a one-to-one, but man, as far as butterfly effect shit goes, that's
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got to be a brutal, brutal thought.
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So this, him being allowed to get back into the country, has been the root of some people
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speculating that Tamerlan was an FBI informant and had been clandestinely working to infiltrate
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Muslim extremist communities on behalf of the government.
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Sure.
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As the theory goes, according to Michelle McPhee's book Maximum Harm, Tamerlan wanted
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to be a US citizen, primarily so he could box in the Olympics, but he was ineligible
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for that because he'd been arrested for domestic violence while he was in the country.
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The FBI recruited him to be an informant, thus his ability to travel while he was on
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the list, in exchange for approving his citizenship application.
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Over time, as the promise of citizenship never materialized, Tamerlan became angry and snapped,
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ultimately contributing to him bombing the marathon.
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Is any of that true?
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Well, it's an interesting theory, but it's just that.
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It's a theory.
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Yeah.
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If there were proof, I could probably engage with this a little bit further.
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In write-ups for the book, McPhee even admits that this is just a theory.
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From a Daily Mail article, quote, McPhee's theory, which she admits she cannot definitively
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prove, was that Tamerlan was a federal informant and that he turned on America after his citizenship
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application was rejected.
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It's all good and well to have a theory and discuss the possibilities that arise from
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that theory, but the way her writing was covered was a bit irresponsible.
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The claims that the FBI was handling Tamerlan for years led the stories, and the disclaimer
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that this is just what she believes and can't prove were second thoughts, paragraphs later.
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Isn't that crazy how that always works?
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Yeah.
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In terms of Alex's claim that the government had handled these brothers for five years,
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that's just based on a claim by Tamerlan's mother, who was arguing for her son's innocence.
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So I don't take that to be all that substantial.
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I mean, she's got some skin in the game, so to speak, you know?
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Yeah.
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We'll discuss that a little bit further later on.
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So Alex talks about, here in this next clip, his belief that these 4chan pictures that
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he had are still really at the center of things.
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Here are the headlines.
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Group link to the brothers.
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Brothers specially trained for an attack.
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No doubt brothers not acting alone.
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Two from Kazakhstan in custody.
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Boston mayor acted alone.
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He still hadn't gotten the dumb mayor is still, he's not in on it.
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He's still going with like Wednesday's PR, that it was alone.
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They were going to come out and say it was a lone right-winger, remember?
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Oh, we've got word from Axel, Ron, it's a right-winger.
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But we exposed all the patsies with all those video and photos right before the bombing.
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So that's all dumb.
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But Alex is just reading headlines on Drudge.
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And this might be a good time to point out something super important that I think we
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don't bring up enough.
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That's how Drudge works.
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How Drudge works is that he takes existing news stories and links to them.
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That's the primary function of his site.
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But that's not why his site is one of the most popular in the right-wing news ecosystem.
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His site is number one with these dumb-dumbs because he rewrites headlines to fit the narratives
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that the right-wing pundits are already disseminating.
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He provides cover in the form of taking sensational stilted link headlines that people like Alex
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can just repeat and lend their talking points credibility.
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For instance, let's take one of these headlines Alex is reading, quote, no doubt brothers
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not acting alone.
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That was the link on Drudge, which takes you to an article from the International Business
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Times.
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The actual article's headline is, quote, Boston Marathon bombings, FBI hunts terrorist sleeper
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cell linked to Sarnav brothers.
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In this article, the International Business Times quotes an article in the Sunday Mirror,
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which is itself quoting an anonymous source, quote, close to the investigation.
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The credibility of this source is kind of in question because they say the bombs used
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at the marathon were, quote, highly sophisticated and that, quote, agents think the sleeper
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cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.
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Both of these details have been shown to not be the case, which leads me to believe that
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the Sunday Mirror got some bad info, which is then being reported in the International
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Business Times, which is then being sensationalized by Drudge.
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So it could be more easily used by people like Alex.
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This is the information pipeline.
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Yeah, it's Drudge is basically like a word cloud.
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Yeah.
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It's like if you go to that and you unfocus your eyes, you can see all the right wing
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propaganda lies pulling out like one of those pictures that, you know, one of those illusion
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ones where you're like, it's a boat.
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Sure.
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So the next headline's even worse, quote, two from Tajikistan in custody.
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What country is he trying to say there?
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Is it Tajikistan?
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The actual country he's talking about is Kazakhstan, which isn't even close to what he said.
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No.
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Tajikistan is not Kazakhstan.
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No.
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Very different.
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Alex is talking about Johar's two roommates who were taken in for questioning.
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They were ultimately arrested and sent to prison for obstruction of justice as they
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had gone to Johar's dorm room and attempted to help him dispose of evidence, including
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a laptop and a backpack full of fireworks.
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There's no evidence of them having any involvement in the planning or execution of the attacks,
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but they did commit crimes to help their friend evade the law.
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They both did short stretches in jail and were deported back to Kazakhstan when they
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were released.
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I don't think there's anything too suspicious about this, but the way Alex is reporting
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this is not good.
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That's, that's a, I mean, that's a good roommate, I guess.
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Sure.
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I think I would have chosen some, uh, some different options such as I'm fucking out,
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dude.
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Bye.
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Yeah.
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So we get, uh, Alex, you know, along the way, he's just spinning his, uh, his yarns about,
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uh, you know, Johar was, uh, you know, traked on the scene.
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Right.
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He'll never be able to talk again.
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Right.
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And it's just exhausting.
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His throat was ripped out by a tiger.
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Yup.
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Yeah.
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And, and we now see that Alex is starting to pivot towards blaming Saudi Arabia.
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Right.
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Wheel of fortune.
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I actually met her once when I was in California.
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The wheel?
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I can't remember her name.
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Here we go.
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I'll spin the wheel of fortune and then I will touch it.
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Okay.
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We're going to nuke the canary current off the coast of Africa.
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That's who did it.
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The canary current is to blame, ladies and gentlemen.
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I mean, it's, you know, Saudi Arabia supposedly attacks us, blow up Iraq, kill a million of
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them people.
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Yeah.
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America.
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Let's cuss at the baseball game.
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We're tough.
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You mess with us.
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We blow up your country here.
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Spin it again.
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Let's attack the Southern hemisphere.
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Okay.
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Australia.
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Nuke Australia.
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So he's doing a little bit of a riff on like Saudi Arabia did something, so now we're going
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to attack other people.
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Yeah.
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I don't think this bit is working the way that he'd like it to.
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It's not a great bit.
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It's foundering.
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Yeah.
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So he's established that there was a drill at the marathon and you'll just see here how
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he tries to link it to the seven, seven drill conspiracy.
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And as we've discussed, it was a PowerPoint presentation.
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Yes.
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Police saw so many black backpacks with the national guard and Navy seals in plain clothes
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of black backpacks, part of the drill, which is now confirmed that they deny that a real
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bomb slipped through upon.
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That's why you do a drill.
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They did a drill on seven, seven of the exact trains and exact bus attacks at the exact
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same time.
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Wait for it at the exact same location.
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Don't believe me?
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Go to youtube and type in seven, seven BBC and ITN with the head of Scotland yard admitting
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running drills of the exact same place, exact same time being attacked.
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Peter powers.
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He's not the head of Scotland yard.
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And again, it's like, well, why would he tell on himself?
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He probably wasn't involved.
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He's hired to run a drill and then, Oh man, again, I've seen how they do this over and
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over again.
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When you know what he's actually talking about, this just appears to be the saddest bullshit.
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Yeah.
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And that clip is so like, like it just, it, you see it clearly, the scales fall from your
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eyes when you realize this drill that he's talking about with seven, seven is a corporate
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like seminar.
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It was, it was preceded by a motivational speaker giving fucking performance goals and
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a t-shirt.
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Yeah, exactly.
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He's pretending that it's like actually people out on the street in the, um, in the trains
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and what have you.
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And it's like, you can't, like it's a giant improv everywhere bombing.
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Yeah.
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I remember eight years after that bombing at this point, you have no excuse to not know
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this.
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Yeah.
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I understand the day of you just see the CNN or a interview with a BBC interview with mr
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power.
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You could, you could get it in your head and misunderstand things and then the next day
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correct yourself.
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Yeah.
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Eight years later, still lying about this in order to reinforce other lies you're telling.
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It's just so clear.
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I love his exasperation with like, I've seen him do it so many times and it's like, no,
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no, no.
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You've said they've done it so many times.
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You're boring.
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You've convinced yourself so many times they are doing different stuff.
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You're the one saying it's all the same stuff.
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Yeah.
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So Alex now knows that the FBI did talk to Tamerlan in 2011.
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So he's convinced now that when they put out those pictures of the suspects and they didn't
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know who they were and they needed the public's help identifying them, they were lying.
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Let's go over some of these headlines.
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Boston marathon bombs, the brothers interviewed by FBI in 2011, but they're showing you photos
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of them saying, we don't know who they are.
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Help us identify them, not help us find them.
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Who are these people?
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Oh, you don't know who your little pet projects are and you're so dumb.
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You release videos showing feds in doorways, watching them as they walk by.
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It's not, uh, shown to be true.
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And like, I don't, I understand why this would be a compelling argument to someone who doesn't
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think too deeply about things.
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Yeah.
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Like they did talk to them in the past.
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Yeah.
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How, how do they not know who they are?
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How many fucking people do you think that they, uh, you know, have on their radar or
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three per year this, this entire thing with like FSB saying, Hey, check out this guy could
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have been handled by like two people, right?
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They might not remember two years later, entire FBI went to his apartment.
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They all gathered around.
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They all took pictures.
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They said, remember this face in case something happens two years from now.
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It's very understandable that they would not see him and be like, aha, I know who that
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is.
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Yeah.
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If you, if you watch any episode of fucking forensic files, you're like every, every goddamn
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police department has their own database of fingerprints.
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They don't even, you don't even know if somebody's fingerprints are in there from fucking
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yeah.
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They, they don't remember everything.
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Tamerlons were on file and they were able to find that out once he was dead and they
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had his fucking name.
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Exactly.
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Well, that's how they got his name is when he, uh, they, they had already, uh, you know,
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taken him to the hospital.
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Yeah.
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So I think that it's very reasonable to assume that the FBI might not know who they are,
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even though they talked to him before.
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I do not think that that is some kind of crazy thing easily, but look, dude, leaders do false
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flags.
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It's just established.
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Look, man, Hey, leaders do false flags.
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Do you need an example?
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Yes.
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Of course.
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Government stage stuff.
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So they can, I mean, Emperor Palpatine stages attacks on himself to declare martial law
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in star Wars.
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That's a kid's movie.
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Can people figure this out?
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You want to take over Nero wanted to take over and purge the Christians.
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Okay.
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So his first example is Emperor Palpatine, right?
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So his first example is a kid's movie.
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Yeah.
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And his second example is fake history.
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Good stuff.
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Okay.
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Gotcha.
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Yeah.
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So those are two concrete examples.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It's, it is bad work.
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Yeah.
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So when Alex is veering more towards Saudi Arabia and, and that sort of narrative and
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putting some sort of blame that direction, what's interesting is that there's another
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guy who's doing that too, by the name of Glenn Beck.
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Sure.
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Glenn Beck is going hard on Saudi Arabia.
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Yes.
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Particularly on the guy who the police questioned, who was one of the victims of the bombing
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Saudi Arabian student that we talked about episodes back.
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Yeah.
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Glenn Beck has not left the realm of suspicion about this guy is he is someone who Glenn
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Beck is focusing on very closely.
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Oh, that's not good.
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No.
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And Alex is sort of seeing like, eh, he's getting some traffic and mileage out of that.
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Let's uh, let's throw him into my bullshit.
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Yeah.
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Uh, Glenn Beck says Obama is covering up for the Boston bombing.
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Yeah.
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I don't know how to build stuff up and I just give it to you.
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It's up on info wars.com that the guy that we first pointed out, not saying he did anything
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was on the report.com.
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Beck talks to his sources, puts out an article that Drudge also linked to under us saying
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update and right there they talked to their sources, which I know they have saying he
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was a person of interest and was connected to shady people.
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Now it's in the Saudi press that six of his family are listed as terrorists by the Saudi
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government.
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Now, I don't know if that's true or not, but it's in the news.
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Let me tell you something.
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I don't link to something until it's in the news.
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Yeah.
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You do a good job with that.
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I don't link to something until it's in the news.
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What, what does that mean?
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Fortune?
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What does that mean?
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I don't know.
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Like what does that mean?
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I've been a bit more scatter shot with his coverage of the Boston bombing and has been
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shifting his theories to accommodate a whole bunch of different suspects.
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The same can't really be said for his mortal enemy, Glenn Beck.
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In between Beck's segments criticizing Alex, so he appears sane in comparison, Glenn has
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been spending a lot of time working up a conspiracy theory of his own and it's centered around
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that Saudi Arabian student who'd been injured in the bombing.
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I've been very consciously trying to not name people who were caught up in this thing except
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when necessary, particularly victims of both the actual bombing and the propaganda surrounding
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it.
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I don't feel like they deserve to have their names attached to this tragedy and leaving
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them unnamed is something I consider a small act of honoring their right to live a normal
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life after this more misfortune befell them.
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When, while we discussed this student in the context of him being questioned, I stuck to
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that standard, but now that Glenn Beck is involved, I need to get more specific.
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In the days after the bombing, Glenn said on his show that they'd uncovered information
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about a quote, very bad, bad, bad man who he claimed was involved in the attack.
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It seems like it's a universal trait that right wing shithead broadcasters really think
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they're speaking directly to the government on their shows because Glenn made an ultimatum
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that he made an ultimatum to the government that if the government did not deal with this
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very bad, bad, bad man appropriately, he would reveal them on his show.
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He called them quote, the worst of the worst and even appeared on Bill O'Reilly's show
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to spread his accusations further.
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Naturally, the government didn't respond how Glenn wanted, so he kept his word and accused
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Abdullah Rahman Al Harbi of being the money man who facilitated the attack and had given
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the quote, go order for the attack.
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Al Harbi is the Stadi student who was injured in the bombing.
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Okay.
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So I assume he sued Glenn Beck for all the money there ever was.
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We'll get to that.
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Okay.
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Glenn claimed he had received this info from two DHS sources, but he refused to elaborate
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or reveal his sources.
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It's super important to point out though that by the time Glenn was making these accusations
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on air at the FBI had already spoken to Al Harbi and had publicly announced he was not
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involved.
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That's just what they would publicly announce, Dan.
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True.
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So naturally Al Harbi sued Glenn back in 2014.
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Good.
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Glenn tried to argue that Al Harbi was a public figure, which would provide some really Glenn.
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Really Glenn.
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Glenn.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to take fucking Sally down the street from me, make a story about her, put her on
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the news 24 seven and then yeah, she's technically a public figure.
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That would provide him some cover for irresponsible reporting.
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It's way harder to prove defamation against public figures.
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The judge had no time for that and ruled that Al Harbi was absolutely a private figure and
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returned to decision saying that Beck had to disclose his sources.
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Naturally, Glenn wasn't going to do that, so he paid an undisclosed amount to settle
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the case.
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It's tough to imagine what the amount he paid out was considering the person he was paying
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was someone he'd accused of orchestrating a terrorist attack, but I'm certain he'd rather
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pay any price than have it revealed publicly that he just makes up sources and embellishes
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what they tell him to an egregious degree.
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Covering that up is priceless and if that suit had proceeded, there's little doubt in
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my mind he would have never been able to go on his dumb ass, I'm sorry tour after Trump
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was elected.
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No.
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I can find no evidence that this Saudi student had a bunch of relatives who were on terrorist
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lists.
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It is true that there are a number of people named Al Harbi on the Saudi Arabian watchlist,
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but I can find no actual proof that they're related to this student.
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They're just a bunch of dumb blogs like I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ dot
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com where the only evidence provided is that they have the same surname.
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Also, who cares even if he did have relatives who were terrorists?
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That wouldn't do shit to prove that he himself is a terrorist.
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Isn't this show supposed to be about individualism and reject the notion of guilt by association?
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This is the sort of shit Alex is bringing to the table, citing evidence that Al Harbi
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is a terrorist based on information put out by his arch rival, which ends up getting his
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arch rival sued and the residents just dumb right wing blog filler.
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Also, a pretty fun revelation of this lawsuit is that we learned some of Glenn Beck's employees'
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names, which are pretty strong arguments for nominative determinism or the idea that your
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name determines what you'll do in life.
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Lie fake bullshit.
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The president of The Blaze at the time was named Joel Cheatwood and Glenn Beck's producer
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was named Joe Weasel.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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God damn it.
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Yeah.
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These are not nicknames either.
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Nope.
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This is full on.
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I am proud of the Weasel name.
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Legal name.
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So I am going to work for a literal Weasel.
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Yeah.
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Gotcha.
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Yeah.
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So Glenn Beck gets sued for this.
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I think Alex is probably on the outskirts of getting himself named in the suit, but
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you know, it's still what he's doing is the same sort of behavior that led to Beck having
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to pay a bunch of money.
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So anyway, Alex gets into the drill.
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There was a drill at the bombing and here he is.
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Witnesses on record track coaches, you name it, said they were told a drill, don't worry
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about the bags.
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It's just a drill, which they use to make everybody stand down.
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Everybody was told show up with a black backpack so the real backpack could make it in.
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Exactly.
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So that's the function of the drill.
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Everyone's got bags.
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So no one can get caught.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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But see, here's the thing.
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It's the old switcheroo, Dan.
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The old hide the forest inside the tree.
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Yeah.
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So here's the thing.
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All of the evidence that he's citing for it being a drill is imaginary or deeply embellished.
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So it makes it tough for me to hear this next clip and think he's being sincere.
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If there wasn't a drill at this and if there wasn't evidence of the drill and then the
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cover up of the drill and then him being fine and then tracheotomy and he can't talk and
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all these other points and they tried to blame right wingers, I would say, okay, real crazy.
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He's a tactist.
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And then I'd say, let's not give up our rights for three dead honeybees killed 200 plus.
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All the things Alex is saying there for reasons he thinks something suspicious is up here,
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they're all completely fake.
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The evidence that he has that there was a bombing drill is completely blown out of proportion
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and he absolutely can't even come close to proving what he's putting out.
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There isn't evidence of a drill.
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There are just pictures of civilian civil support teams that Alex has found on 4chan
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and written a mystery novel about imagining that they're secretly Navy SEALs.
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There wasn't a cover up of a drill.
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They're just officials who have no idea what conspiracy bullshit is flying around on the
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internet and they aren't really interested in dumb pictures from 4chan.
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Not engaging with your conspiracy is not evidence of a cover up.
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Joe Haar wasn't tracheotomy immediately as Alex is suggesting.
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And even if he couldn't talk for a very brief time, he was still able to communicate.
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Also he was able to talk within days.
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He just couldn't talk while he had a throat tube in because he was recovering from a wound
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to his pharynx.
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They didn't try to blame right wingers.
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Alex just feels like they were going to blame right wingers and created an elaborate narrative
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surrounding those pictures from 4chan where a random person in the shot was anointed the
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white patsy with zero evidence of anything other than Alex's feelings.
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Literally nothing Alex is saying to support his conclusion that the bombing was fake is
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true.
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It's just absolute shit and it's the worst kind of work a person can do.
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So small point here, I hate to be pedantic, but honeybees absolutely do not kill 200 plus
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people a year.
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Some decent numbers I found said that hornets, bees, and wasps combined kill about 1.4 per
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10 million each year or approximately 45 people in the United States.
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Also comparing the number of people killed in a bombing to the number of people killed
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by bees is pretty absurd.
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For one, most people who die from bees are allergic to them, whereas we're all allergic
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to bombings.
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Perhaps more importantly, bees are a very important part of our ecosystem and without
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them a lot of plants would die out.
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The same is not true of people who bomb things.
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No, no, no.
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It's like how the redwoods, you know, the forest fires clear off all the brush and then
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the redwoods, if we didn't have bombings, then how would we rebuild our cities, Dan?
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It's the circle of life.
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Everybody knows it's just the ecosystem.
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We just accept this as part of how, you know, the things work.
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Sure.
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I hate him so much for his...
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So, that 45 a year is hornets, wasps and bees.
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Combined, yeah.
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I really hate to be pedantic.
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Yeah.
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I know.
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I know you do.
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I was going to wash over there.
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That's not all bees.
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Bees might be like six.
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It's just so infuriating to listen to him talk on a day like this because all of the
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bullshit he said, he's saying with such confidence because you're like, oh, well, I guess he
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must already have proved that.
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That's how he wants you to experience it.
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If you hadn't listened to his show for the past five days and then just came in on this
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and even though you had watched the regular news the whole time, if you just suddenly
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walked into this show, you're like, oh shit, he must have proved all this shit because
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he is really confident.
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I must have missed the episode.
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I must have missed it.
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Where he laid all that out.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It's so...
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And that's intentional.
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That's gaslighting as fuck.
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A hundred percent.
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A hundred percent.
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I do not believe it's not intentional.
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No, absolutely not.
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I can even feel my head just like trying to inch towards there while he's talking.
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Just be like, well, there's something he can't be this confident without something.
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And I have to stop and be like, no, he literally has nothing.
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This is all made up.
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So Alex, at the end here, this 21st, this April 21st episode, he goes to calls and one
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of these callers brings up an old article from the Boston Globe.
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You need to know the power you've got.
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Yeah, there it is.
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The marathon is dry run disaster, wow, Boston Globe, 2008.
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Good job.
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Good job.
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That is true human.
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Human intelligence.
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You on the ground.
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So this caller has brought up this article and Alex has found it.
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This caller is a human intelligence.
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Yes.
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Now listen to Alex talk about this again.
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The whole M.O. of this situation stinks to high heaven.
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And here we have a Boston Globe article.
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Marathon is a dry run disaster drill.
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And we know they were running drills.
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They've caught them running the drill.
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Now I assume he reads the entire article from there.
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Less important.
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Okay.
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What did you notice the difference between the two times he read the headline?
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The first time he read the actual headline, which is quote marathon as a dry run disaster.
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The second time he added the word drill to the headline that isn't there.
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Okay.
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That's intentional.
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All right.
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That is not very intentional.
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That's cheating.
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Yeah.
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That's cheating.
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You can't do that.
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Yes.
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You can.
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No, you can't do that.
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There's a foul.
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Somebody has to call a foul on this.
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Right?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Air horn.
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Yeah.
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There's a flag on the field.
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There's something.
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You can't just add drill to a headline because you're trying to say this was a drill.
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Yeah.
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That is dirty pool.
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The FCC should have him bleep that shit.
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I don't give a fuck if he's saying we fucking did it.
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It should be goddamn bleep the addition to the headline.
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So beyond that, what Alex is doing is just reading off his headline the one of his callers
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sent him from the Globe in 2008.
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Marathon as a dry run disaster could hardly be better tailored to what he's been putting
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out unless you lie and throw a drill on the end of the headline.
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Right.
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That one does.
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That makes it even better to draw a tail.
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That one really helps.
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That really helps.
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However, when this is being brought into the conversation where Alex is arguing that the
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bombing was a false flag, it's important to discuss the content of the article, not just
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the headline.
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The article is an op-ed piece where the author is primarily arguing that a number of public
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health and safety organizations treat large events like the Boston Marathon or the Fourth
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of July parade as opportunities to heighten their readiness for future calamities.
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This is not about doing a dry run over a bombing or anything like that.
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It's about how relationships between medical and law enforcement groups can be forged at
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large events like this in order that they can work better together.
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Because as the article says, you don't want to quote exchange business cards at the scene
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of a disaster.
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In addition to this element, the marathon is perfect for collaborative preparation because
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it doesn't just take place in Boston.
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It extends through multiple cities.
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So by definition, it's an event where intercity coordination is necessary.
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This article does nothing to prove or even make more plausible any of the arguments Alex
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is making, but it appears to based on a few buzzwords in the headline and one Alex is
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faking putting in.
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That's annoying.
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That's like saying any of those CDC simulations where they try and coordinate with different
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departments and act as though, okay, here's what a pandemic would start and this is how
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it would look like and let's see if we can simulate a circumstance where we succeed or
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something like that.
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Just those existing would be fuel for Alex to be like, see, they're planning the new
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pandemic.
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There's nothing you can do.
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No, no.
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Unless you just understand how he operates, what he's doing, you get the bigger picture
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of this bullshit.
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That's the, that's the way to help.
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Yeah.
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So Alex ends the show talking about our government.
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Well, I was born in 1952 in the United States of America, a very, a very good, very wonderful
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country.
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Well, the reason it was so much better than as you, you couldn't find many immoral people
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in government.
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Now you can find a lot of them.
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Well, I just heard on RT last night and somebody said that, and you know, a trusted source
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that America was now number one, the most corrupt nation on the planet.
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Anything the government tells you is most likely a lie.
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Not many immoral people in government back in 1952, you say, I wonder how Alex might
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be defining his terms on that one.
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Wouldn't it surprise you to learn that the 82nd session of Congress, which included the
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year 1952, included only two African American representatives and zero senators?
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Odd.
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How about the fact that there was only one woman senator and 10 representatives?
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Keep in mind there are 535 members of Congress, right?
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This is a one area where Congress has really noticeably changed since the 1950s.
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Let's say after the passage of the voting rights act and a lot of people are super happy
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about it.
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One area that makes no sense to point to as a difference between the 1950s and the present
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day is governmental corruption.
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There are thousands of examples of representatives and senators behaving in very similarly scandalous
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ways, going all the way back to the founding of the country.
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But it's hard to say exactly what Alex considers immoral.
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Maybe accepting bribes doesn't count as immoral.
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The idea that there were fewer immoral people in government, the entire government was by
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its nature immoral.
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What about Truman nuking Japan?
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It was built around discrimination and segregation, the entirety of the government was immoral.
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I think all Alex is saying is he liked it better when the government was whiter.
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I think that's all I'm hearing there.
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I think we solved that problem.
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Or I would ask him to explain what he means that's not.
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Who's moral.
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So anyway, we get onto the 22nd and when Alex comes in here on his Monday show, he lays
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out the canonical version of what his narrative is about the bombing.
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Obviously day one it happened, I said let's look for drills, let's look for stand downs,
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let's look for multiple patsy grips, let's look for setups, follow who they say they
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believe it is.
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And the media said it's gonna be a right winger lone wolf and they said okay they've been
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in arrest.
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Our word is right wing lone wolf, you gun owners are gonna get the blame, we got you.
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But because of all the photos out there, I think the evidence is clear, they said okay
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we haven't been in arrest, we were letting the person go, we're shutting the courthouse
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down, panic, kick the media out.
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And then they the next day bring out the patsy photos.
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So that's moving forward, but it seems like it's going to be his.
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Right that one in stone.
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That's our final draft right there, gotcha.
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So he goes along and he's denying that there was even a firefight in Watertown, he expresses
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that that didn't happen.
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Never.
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And that's largely based on like some videos that people have that are incomplete, just
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sort of partial videos.
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He goes, he is just strongly arguing that people were forced into lockdown.
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This is like at gunpoint people forced to stay inside their homes and it's just not
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true.
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But you know you just repeat it over and over again and you know eventually people are gonna
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be like well that makes sense.
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So Alex talks about how this whole thing, the lockdown, the shelter in place request
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didn't really work because only after it ended was the person able to see that there was
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a guy in his boat.
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Right.
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And then the neighbor you know looks out and sees the boat and sees the blood on it.
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And oh because the lockdown had been lifted, he wouldn't dare go out while the lockdown
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was on.
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He sat there and looked at the blood on the boat and everything and waited and when the
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lockdown was over he went out to look and thought he saw somebody in there so he went
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and called the police.
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He followed his orders.
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Man, I'm telling you if the police announced you're locked down in Austin, do not leave
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your home.
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You know what?
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I'm gonna go out.
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I've had enough of this stinking government.
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Okay.
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All right.
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You're a big boy.
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Cool.
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Yeah.
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So in his in his mind this dude is sitting by his back window just staring at the boat
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just like man I want to do something about this blood-covered boat of mine but they told
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me to stay inside and I obviously can't use my phone from the inside.
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Yeah.
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I keep it outside of course.
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So what are you gonna do?
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Yeah.
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I just got to stare there until they give the okay to step outside.
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Yeah.
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Look, the guy had decided to comply with the shelter in place request and when he went
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outside he noticed something that he wouldn't see.
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Yeah.
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Unless he was outside.
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Who gives a shit?
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So Alex has found some video of the police shooting at the boat that Johar was in.
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Yeah.
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And he plays the the video and I think that there's something really important to point
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out here.
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And we are showing video to TV viewers of what looks like about 20 police firing in
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mass with 223s and 308s and over and over again into the boat and then waiting about
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an hour and 45 minutes for him to bleed to death.
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By the way there's even more of this footage but it has cuss words over it so we're only
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seeing about half of it of the sustained fire where it appears they load and reload their
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clips three or four times.
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Alex is absolutely lying.
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He is replaying that video.
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No.
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If you actually find videos of the shooting it lasts a very short time.
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There's a brief outburst of firing and then it stops and everyone's yelling, stop fire,
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hold your fire, hold your fire.
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The video that Alex is or the audio you could tell there, there's shooting, then there's
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a lull, then there's more shooting, a lull and more shooting.
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That does not happen in the real world.
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Yeah.
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And he's saying this is about half of it as if to indicate that they were shooting for
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a full minute.
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No.
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He's talking about a Wild West shootout where people are in different fucking houses across
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the way and putting their heads out the window and firing three shots and then ducking back
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in.
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That's what he's talking about.
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And it did not happen like that.
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No.
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Nothing that I'm saying is to say that the police were in any way within the bounds of
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good behavior to fire on the boat.
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But what Alex is doing is completely lying about it and he has to be lying.
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In that clip, he played shooting that lasted longer than it did in the real world.
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There's no way for him to be playing that audio or video without looping it or without
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playing it twice.
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That's such an asshole move.
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Yeah, it absolutely is.
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And the only reason- And this is before everything was autoplay
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on Facebook.
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Yeah.
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And the only reason to do that is to create a false presentation of what was being done
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there.
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Yeah.
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Seriously, like, come on guys.
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Bullets aren't free.
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What are we doing?
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I don't like wasting my taxpayer dollars on 30 guys firing 5,000 bullets into a boat.
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So there was something that happened in the night of the Watertown shootout and that is
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that a naked guy got arrested who was there on the scene.
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Or- In the immediate, there were some theories
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that were running around that this was actually Tamerlan and it was not.
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No one was going straight to time traveling Terminator.
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No.
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No, no, no, no.
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Nobody went to Terminator.
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Not that I'm aware of.
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Okay.
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But this was sort of bolstered by Tamerlan's aunt saying that that was him.
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It was not.
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But this family member lent all this credibility to being like, he wasn't actually killed there.
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He was arrested naked.
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Okay.
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And this is not true, but here is Alex pushing some of this.
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You've got the other brother reportedly now, witnesses are saying, we have these videos
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up on Infowars.com, that they saw the police run over him and then fill his body full of
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holes and the aunt and others are saying that it is video of the older brother, Tamerlan,
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being brought naked into the police car.
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And then I guess you just stage a firefight and then say that you killed him.
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If you consult the timestamps of the time that people were showing live footage of the
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guy being arrested, they do not match up.
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It was after Tamerlan had already been taken away in an ambulance.
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All this is bullshit.
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It's an honest misunderstanding that can be made because there is a superficial visual
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similarity between this naked guy and Tamerlan, but he was just another suspicious person
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who was around the scene of the Watertown shootout.
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And you know, it's an easy sort of thing, mistake to make.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, when they say they filled him full of holes, what they really meant is they
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force fed him Shia LaBeouf movies.
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Right.
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Good.
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Man, that was a swing.
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That was a fucking sad swing.
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I went for it.
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I went for it.
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I don't know why you went for it.
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It had to be there.
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It had to go.
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Wow.
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I thought Swiss cheese might come up with Shia LaBeouf movie, impressive holes, impressive.
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So Alex's narrative now is that they were trying to kill Johar in the boat.
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They were trying to kill him through the entire manhunt.
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And that is why they told people not to leave their homes.
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Now what was the mission there?
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Did they go pump tear gas in and say, come out with your hands up, by the way, the witnesses
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say he didn't shoot at him with his quote, carbine.
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He was hiding in there and they pulled up and they unloaded because they were told,
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kill him.
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That's why they told the media, you cover this.
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We're going to kill you.
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That's why they told citizens, you come out of your house.
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You're dead.
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There's no evidence.
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They told that to the citizens or the media.
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Alex is making all of this up.
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He's just decided that their mission was to kill Johar.
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And that's not anything that he has any reason to report.
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He doesn't have that from any official channel.
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He's just assuming in the same way that he saw those pictures on 4chan and created an
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entire fantasy narrative out of it.
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He's just decided as what they were told.
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And it's, it's constantly changing.
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Everything is constantly changing.
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On the 19th, when we listened to that episode, the manhunt or the lockdown was in order to
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find the fake seals from the pictures on 4chan and clean that whole thing up.
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Now it's, we got to kill Johar.
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Like it's, it's ridiculous.
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You know, I, I, I imagine that Alex has to be a little bit disappointed that he's still
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supporting Trump just because he could have used butt dialing Giuliani as like his source
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for that.
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But Giuliani butt dialed me and he said, give them the order to kill him.
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It would be perfect.
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It's there.
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It's all there.
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The butt dialing Giuliani, you can lie about anything with that because it's believable
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now.
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Yeah.
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So this next clip I believe is important here because it shows a harsh ad pivot that Alex
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is doing.
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And again, babies are being aborted everywhere, including babies that can be adopted, but
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all the media doesn't cry for them.
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The media doesn't get sad for them.
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It's only these three people that are dead, which they use as psychological trauma to
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scare everyone into going along with this tyranny.
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By the way, we're almost sold out of the March issue of planet hoax.
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You want to buy in bulk and expose a stage terror.
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Very familiar ad pivoting, but he's selling his magazine because he doesn't have his line
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of supplements.
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Not yet.
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So this is a bizarre, um, feeling of development because he's saying that the, at the same
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time that he's talking about the globalists using psychological fear and that to get you
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to do what they want, he's trying to scare you about the globalists.
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She gets you to sell, buy his magazine weird.
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So anyway, Alex is certain that this is a coverup and a false flag.
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And here is what that coverup will lead to.
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One thing is certainly clear.
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There is a massive coverup going on surrounding the bombings of last Monday and another thing
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is sure.
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Politically, they're going to use this to try to ban black powder or restrict his purchase
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against somebody does something bad.
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So we all lose our rights.
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That's called authoritarianism where you don't punish the individual.
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You punish the group.
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Well, it didn't happen.
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I mean, that's not called authoritarian and it didn't happen and it didn't happen.
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So cool.
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Check that off the list.
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Yeah, we're good.
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I'm certain this is going to be used to outlaw black powder.
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Didn't happen.
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Okay.
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So Alex is certain that this is a false flag and it's not just him.
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It's everyone Alex trusts and he says that and then struggles to come up with.
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Everyone I respect like Joel Skousen and people like Joel Skousen.
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I mean, there's so many folks out there saying it has all the signs of false flag, but Steve
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Puchenik.
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Well, you name it or saying this thing stinks to high heaven.
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So your example is Joel Skousen.
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Murderers row of experts, Dan.
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Joel Skousen, very long pause.
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Long pause.
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Then Steve Puchenik, who we now know is on the outs.
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We don't even have a Leo Zagami coming in.
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No, he doesn't know Leo at this point.
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So Alex has a new wrinkle here on this April 22nd episode that is a story has come out
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about the FBI calling Tamerlan after the bombing.
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Oh no.
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And Kurt Nemo has got a big article coming out soon with a whole boil down with their
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intelligence connections.
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And that ties in with Steve Watson's article, mother of suspected bomber claims FBI called
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eldest son after bombing before fatal shootout.
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British media report claims FBI spoke with Tamerlan and said they knew he'd carried out
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the bombing.
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And that is being reported by channel four news in Britain.
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Yeah.
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When the mother instantly said intelligence services, they would not leave my son alone.
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So the idea that the FBI called Tamerlan in the days after the bombing is supported by
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literally nothing other than a claim by the Sarnav brothers parents who were in active
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defense mode.
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Their interviews in the days after their children's photos were released could all boil down to
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something like our children could never do something like this, which is a natural parental
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reaction.
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You see it commonly in the cases of people, you know, parents of people who do horrible
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things because it's very damaging to your sense of self to imagine that someone you
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raised could do something like bomb a marathon.
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I tend not to give those comments too much weight unless they're supported by backing
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evidence, which is just absent in this case.
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And this is a situation where proving this would be pretty easy as investigators poured
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over Tamerlan's phone records to try and identify possible accomplices.
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Even the channel four article that Alex is basing this on doesn't treat the story as
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being substantiated.
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From this article, quote, the telephone call claim raises a number of questions.
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On the one hand, the claim could be false.
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It follows suggestions by both parents that the FBI had been monitoring Tamerlan for years
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and could be part of efforts to defend the brothers.
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Another possibility is that the telephone call was Tamerlan preparing his mother for
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bad news because Tamerlan told her, allegedly, that the FBI called.
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The article very explicitly treats this as something that might be true, but there's
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no proof.
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It's all good and well to discuss something like this as a claim being made by a traumatized
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mother, but it's very inappropriate to treat it as if it's established fact or even something
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likely to be true.
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And that is what Alex is doing.
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There's a very important distinction that Alex is trying to play both sides of in this
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very clip that we just listened to.
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The headline from Steve Watson's story is fine because it's saying that Tamerlan's mother
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made this claim.
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But Alex then goes on to say that a British report claims the FBI spoke to Tamerlan after
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the bombing, and that is an absolute lie.
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The British report says that Tamerlan's mother said it.
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It in no way claims that the FBI spoke to Tamerlan.
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This is the sort of sleight of hand Alex does all the time.
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It's how he's able to subtly change elements of a story without people really noticing.
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And you could pretend that it's a minor shift in the story, but it's not.
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One claim is that this mother made the claim.
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The other is that the British media is reporting that the mother's claims are correct, and
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the FBI did talk to Tamerlan after the bombing.
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It's an attempt to prove the mother's claim by appealing to a source that doesn't prove
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that.
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This is a deeply dishonest act, and you probably wouldn't do something like this unless you
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were trying to mislead people.
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So just, I mean, the evidence just keeps piling up of his just shifty behavior.
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This is really, really bad.
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This is really, really, really bad.
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Like this is out of character bad even for, I think, most of the, most of our coverage
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of Alex.
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This is one of the most aggressively, yeah, condensed is a good way of putting it.
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He is throwing so many lies at so many walls because he has the opportunity to, right?
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I mean, circumstances don't present themselves very often, right?
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This is just rapid fire.
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This is, so Alex talks about a little bit more about how that lockdown and the shelter
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and play stuff was really just to find Johar and kill him.
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It was citizens that found your patsy after your lockdown was lifted.
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You couldn't find him to killing and just like you did the brother.
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And so you lifted it going, okay, let the slaves find it.
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But then the media could then move the media you'd threatened to kill.
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So they got a bird's eye view.
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So you couldn't finish the killing.
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Now you're drugging him up out of his mind to confess he did it just like the so-called
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Aurora shooter.
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This is all made up.
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That's crazy.
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This is all just imagined.
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This is just Alex making a narrative and a storyline out of disparate pieces of information.
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I'm tired of getting cornered by the guy doing coke at the party.
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What is he doing?
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That's what he's doing.
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Now, what you got to know is you guys are afraid that they're going to come to my house
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and they're going to get never, okay.
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So Alex has two guests on the show on the 22nd and I'm going to say up top, they're
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both pieces of shit, right?
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The first of them is Wayne Madsen, the guy who told Alex that, what was it, Hillary Clinton's
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chef who died had a note attached to him that said, call Larry Nichols.
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So he's the origin of the call Larry Nichols.
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This is one of our founding members.
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This guy now hates Alex Jones and thinks he's a liar and a charlatan.
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I wonder why.
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That's great.
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So here's Wayne talking about the Sarnoff brothers.
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Many of these people, I call them professional refugees, including the Sarnia family.
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The Sarnia family, the, the, the young boy first came over here in 2002, apparently got
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his residency.
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By the way, I'll just say it off a gut feeling, the dad looks like a classic intelligence
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operative.
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He just screams James Bond type.
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What do you say?
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So you know, he's talking about like Chechen refugees.
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Yeah.
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And he, he, at another point he talks about how like he's noticed that they're all in
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Washington DC and Boston and it's all bullshit.
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There are very few Chechens in the United States.
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Most of them find it much easier to emigrate to European countries.
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So the communities in those countries are much larger.
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It's a complicated question as to why there are not as many refugees of Chechen descent
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in the United States, but some have pointed to it being a, an expensive trip to make to
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apply to asylum here.
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That's a pretty large factor.
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Other is that there weren't very many Chechens here.
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So Chechens are much less likely to end up choosing to flee to the United States where
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there are fewer fellow Chechens who can help them with the transition process of living
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in a new country.
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Yeah.
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A little self selection, little, a little economics, little, yeah.
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Whatever the case, there are not many Chechens as a whole in the United States.
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Some estimates have put it as low as a couple hundred in the entire country.
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No shit.
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Yeah.
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But it's hard to know for sure since many may be identifying as Russian in their country
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of origin documents.
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My point here is that Wayne Madsen's point is kind of dumb and he says that DC and Boston
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are cities that like Chechens are surrounding, like they're the most prevalent in.
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They are cities that have some Chechen populations, but they're tiny relatively speaking and those
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cities aren't the only places where Chechen folks live.
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They're cities that he's chosen from a list of cities with Chechen communities because
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it's where all the FBI stuff is and where the bombing happened.
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There are also notable Chechen populations in Seattle, New York, Los Angeles, and New
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Jersey, but Wayne hand waves those away to draw focus to the cities that he wants to
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build suspicion about.
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And here's the thing, this isn't just a conspiracy, this is overt xenophobia.
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Putting forth this kind of thing where you're trying to imply that refugees from this particular
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heritage are somehow nefarious clustered, it serves to make your listeners suspicious
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of all Chechens.
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This is a very small group who are pretty vulnerable from a numbers and social capital
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standpoint.
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Trying to create the perception that they might be coming to the United States as quote
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professional refugees and may be up to no good is an explicit act of marginalization
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of a community based on their ethnic origin and that seems pretty fucked up.
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These Chechen Americans were just as affected by the bombing as anyone else, possibly even
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more so since they had to fear that people would do exactly what Wayne Madsen is doing
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here, trying to tie their heritage to a terrorist act in the strongest possible terms.
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Fuck this.
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Wayne sucks.
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Yeah, there should be a picture of him next to a scapegoat like Jesus Christ.
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Yeah, this angle is real bad.
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That's fucking terrible.
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So Alex has had Steve Pachanik on who's given the motive for the pulling off this false
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flag as being the imaginary bipartisan congressional committee that indicted Obama for war crimes.
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They did it.
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It's good.
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They got it.
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Wayne has his own motive.
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Okay.
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Bottom line, what do you think really happened here?
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Because they were getting ready to blame it on the Tea Party.
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They said, we have somebody arrested.
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They were going to be at the courthouse and they shut that down.
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They acted very panicked.
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Don't look at these other photos, the FBI said.
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That's word for word.
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Only look at these.
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Now, the mother says they were calling them before and after the bombing and then right
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before the fatal shootout.
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What is your inside intel on Capitol Hill?
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They needed another dramatic, not as big as 9-11, but they needed something to spur on
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the passage of this CISPA Act.
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I call this the Patriot Act for the Internet.
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This is going to give the law enforcement intelligence carte blanche access to everybody's
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interaction with anything electronic.
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And to plant stuff on you.
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More important to plant stuff on you.
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Yeah.
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And then we had the ricin attack instead of anthrax.
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That was the same playbook.
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Ricin attack, completely unrelated.
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A guy trying to set up an Elvis impersonator who he had a rivalry with.
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What a wild story that was.
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So Wayne believes that the bombing was done to pass CISPA, or the Cyber Intelligence Sharing
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and Protection Act, also known as H.R. 3523 in the 112th Congress, H.R. 624 in the 113th,
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and H.R. 234 in the 114th.
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All of these attempts to pass the bill failed, with or without any supposed false flag bombings.
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In December 2015, the GOP included an amended version called CISA, C-I-S-A, into the budget
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bill, and Obama signed it into law.
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You may remember December 2015 is one of the many times that the GOP under Mitch McConnell
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had tried to force a shutdown of the government if he couldn't get his way.
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In this case, there was a big holdup with them trying to put defunding of Planned Parenthood
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into the budget bill, which they were unable to do.
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They were, however, able to slide in CISA.
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There's no need for the government to stage terrorist attacks to push through unpopular
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legislation.
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Alex's buddies, like Ted Cruz, are more than willing to hold the government hostage to
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do that on their own.
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So now, we've got two bullshit theories as to the motive for the false flag.
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Pushing through CISPA, which didn't happen, and Steve Pachanik's imaginary bipartisan
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congressional committee that indicted Bush and Obama of war crimes.
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Nothing that these people are saying means anything.
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They're just making shit up.
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It's not okay.
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I know you probably get tired of that conclusion.
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It's just not okay.
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No, it's not.
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You can't just do that.
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It wouldn't even occur to me to just riff out the news.
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And CISPA is bad.
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Just reality?
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Just riff?
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No.
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Yes.
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It's awful.
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I tip my hat to Alex being against it.
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But that still doesn't just-
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Well, is Alex against it?
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Yeah, he is.
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Oh, okay.
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Oh, yeah.
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And David Knight is particularly against it as well.
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I think that's a solid position to have, but it doesn't justify this.
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No.
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No.
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So, anyway, Alex, by this point now, has learned that there's an explanation for the people
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in his pictures that he found on 4chan, and that they were National Guard Civil Support
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Team members.
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By the way, now they're trying to claim those are National Guard.
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There were some National Guard dressed the same, but there were people wearing craft
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hats there as well.
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You can tell the difference between that.
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National Guard were wearing the camouflage uniforms, and the craft guys were wearing
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these khaki pants and these vests.
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Nope.
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Well, that solves it.
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Not true.
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See how it works?
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He solved it.
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See, he just said one thing, and so I believe him.
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It's done.
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We're done.
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Now you take this entirely terrible work that they've done, insisting these people are Navy
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SEALs, when in reality, they were part of these Civil Support Teams, and they have now
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taken the truth and hand-waved it away.
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Yeah.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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No.
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Of course not.
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You're getting it wrong.
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This is how you solidify your narrative from any kind of possible infiltration of reality.
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So frustrating.
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Mr. Wayne's gone now, and he can stay gone for all I'm concerned.
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And Alex decides to take a little time to plug a new station that's signed up to air
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his show.
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And it might be good on these plug sheets if they give me the frequency.
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Hey, John, will you give me the frequency?
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I mean, I'm giving people the call letters, but hell, I can do it.
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I can go to Radio Locator and do it.
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It's like I'll get ad copy I'm going to write and say, here's your ad, and it just says
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the name.
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I'm going to write it.
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You know, you do everything, Jones.
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People want me to come, I guess, into the bathroom, become groom of the stool or something
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too.
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I can do all the butt wiping around here.
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11.60 AM, ladies and gentlemen.
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Excuse me, David.
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That's a good way to introduce this hour.
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Family show, I apologize, folks.
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I'm not complaining.
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It's all the time.
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It's like, there, plug this new station.
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Oh, yes.
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Did you say 1630?
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This is, it's good to know this has been a family show all along.
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I love the petty workplace office griping and just coming out on air.
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That is every office.
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That is everybody who has ever worked in an office at least one day have been like, really?
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I'm getting this many emails?
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Do you guys not know how to figure it out your goddamn selves?
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Go ahead and do everything around here?
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Yeah, except it's on the fucking radio.
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Alex is convinced that the FBI knew who the Sarnov brothers were when they released the
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suspect photos, and then he goes on and just tells his version of the manhunt.
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And some of this is a little bit repetitive.
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We've heard clips like this, but I think it's important to understand that what Alex is
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doing is, first of all, being repetitive to his audience to drive home his narrative.
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And then secondarily, he's practicing.
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He's practicing hitting these points.
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And now it's just hands down the FBI knew who they were when they put their picture
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out and then called him up if the mother's accurate and said, we're going to come on
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by and get you.
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And then they, for whatever reason, drugged him up or had already shot him, laid him out,
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ran over him and then shot him up much more.
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And then they wanted that other brother bad and they tried to kill him.
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But media had gotten their cameras on it, so they were unable after shooting hundreds
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of rounds into it when he actually got up.
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Oh, my goodness.
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You know, he's unarmed with his hands up.
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Don't worry.
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We'll get him in the tent, get medical personnel over here to help him out.
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But it was a little too obvious to me to die on the spot.
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They made the call.
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Hey, the kid doesn't know the whole story.
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We'll try him.
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So this is all just made up.
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This is, again, just Alex's imagination of what happened.
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I don't understand why anybody would take this like I mean, I do understand why people
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take it seriously.
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It's very convincing.
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Let me let me take that again.
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I think I could do that a little bit smoother.
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Yellow letter.
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Yellow.
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Okay.
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We're going to do this one more time.
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I want to tell this story.
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I really want to get this story right.
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He has the emotionally compelling presentation of someone who knows what they're talking
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about.
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And it's very easy to be duped into thinking his confidence, his competence.
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So some videos had surfaced by this point of police taking people out of homes to search
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them.
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And Alex has a position on this.
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And I have some thought that it's great.
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And now in Boston, the videos are emerging where they would just go door to door and
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say, come out and have families, you know, with their children, you name it, come out
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with their hands up and the cops would get in their face and grab on them.
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And I'm telling you, it's illegal, it's unlawful, it's martial law.
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So Alex is absolutely correct that there were videos going around of people being let out
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of their homes by police with guns.
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There's no real indication of the police threatening them in any way, nor the police aiming their
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guns at these civilians.
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But the people do have their hands up from the videos I've seen.
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It seems more likely that is an orderly process that the police are, you know, it's not that
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they're yelling at them to submit, but I can't be certain.
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Are these even actually from that?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Cause my first, my first instinct is like, these are actually from six years ago.
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Okay.
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I wasn't there and I don't know what videos Alex has seen and hasn't seen.
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I can't really speak on those sorts of things.
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I can just tell you what I've seen.
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Oh, and I can also speak about one other thing.
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And that is that every single one of these people whose homes are searched during the
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manhunt gave the police permission to search their homes.
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You can make the argument that given the fever pitch in the city, that these people felt
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like they couldn't tell the police that they couldn't search their homes.
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And then in some way that, you know, that's a form of pressure for them to give up their
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fourth amendment rights.
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You could make the argument that they might've felt like there would be consequences if they
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didn't consent to the police searching their homes, like that might make them appear suspicious
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if they didn't.
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And these were the exact sort of questions that a certain group was exploring in late
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April, 2013.
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And it's a group that Alex fucking hates.
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That group of course is the American Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU.
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They'd seen the same videos that everyone else had seen and made very public statements
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that they would like to speak to any citizen who felt like they were put in a position
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where they couldn't say no to a police search.
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Speaking to the Atlantic, Carol Rose, the executive director of the ACLU of Massachusetts
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said that their organization had, quote, received a number of concerned complaints from people
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about the searches that took place, including some residents of Watertown.
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None, however, from people whose homes had been searched.
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I've looked, and I can find no evidence that anyone actually affected by the searches has
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ever lodged a formal complaint or filed suit claiming that their rights were violated.
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All the noise that's been talked about this issue comes from people who saw the videos
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or looked at the optics and made their own decisions about it.
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These observers are making a gigantic mistake, and it's them trying to assume that they know
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the decisions that these actual people whose homes were being searched are making.
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Many of them were probably totally fine with the search.
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Some of them probably uncomfortable but understood it was for the best, so they consented.
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This is right wing virtue signaling, pure and simple, just getting mad on other people's
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behalf.
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If one of these citizens had filed a case and Alex wanted to support their claim and
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draw attention to it, that's one thing, but he doesn't even have a particular case to
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point to.
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All he's saying is, if that was me in that video, I wouldn't be okay with it, and fine.
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That's an okay thing to think, but it doesn't help us establish that the police were acting
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unconstitutionally.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So, whatever.
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They were, you know, they're like vampires.
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You have to invite them in.
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Those are the rules.
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Well, that is Alex, his magical rule.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Lesser magic.
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Yes.
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So, now we get to our second piece of shit guest of the day, and that's Joel Skousen.
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Hey, we got the Skousen.
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We got the Scowlin' Skousen in here.
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Alex has already said believes is a false flag, and we know that because this fucking
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dude thinks everything's a false flag.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Anyway, here's Joel.
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I think, Alex, it's very clear that the two brothers were involved in some type of false
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flag training and operation, but it was clear to them that when they showed up and when
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the bombs went off and they fled, and by the way, we have video of the younger brother
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fleeing with his backpack on him, so we know that what the FBI said about him dropping
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his pack could not have been true.
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What a shock.
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Joel Skousen thinks something's a false flag.
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This guy's a broken record.
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Literally everything that has ever happened in the world is part of some grand conspiracy
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to him.
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It's so fucking funny that Alex presents him as an expert in any field other than saying
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things are false flags.
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I'll concede that he's got that down better than anyone else I've ever seen.
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In the days just after the bombing, Skousen was on Alex's show, and he said that this
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had the signs of a false flag, and now he's upgraded his confidence level.
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I don't give a shit about any of that, because here's the thing.
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Joel Skousen is a goddamn liar.
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He said in that clip that there's a video of Johar leaving the area of the Boston bombing
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still carrying his bag, and that is a complete lie.
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There's no video or pictures of this.
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He is just full of shit.
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I actually know what he's talking about, but he's trying to hide.
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On April 19th, the Associated Press released a picture of Johar fleeing the scene of the
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crime.
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The picture was taken by a businessman from Florida named David Green, who had finished
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the marathon about an hour before the bombs went off.
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He hung around the finish line to watch the waves of runners come in, but his phone was
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dying.
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So he went to a charging station, and as he was returning to his friends, the blasts happened.
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He saw a chaotic scene, so he took a picture and then immediately started helping people.
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A friend texted him to ask if he was okay, and Green replied by sending the picture and
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saying that he was right there.
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When the FBI released the pictures of the suspects, this friend reviewed the picture
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to see if there was anything unusual in it, and he saw Johar in the lower left corner.
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He told Green, who sent the picture off to the FBI.
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He then contacted the AP, who vetted the picture and released it.
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This picture clearly shows Johar without his backpack, but Internet sleuths decided that
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someone must have photoshopped the image to take out the backpack.
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There's no evidence that this is the case, and the same original, high-resolution image
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was submitted to the AP and the FBI.
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The conspiracy theorists can't quite decide who to blame, whether it was Green or the
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FBI who did the photoshopping, but the result was a good number of Internet bullshit targeting
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David Green as possibly being in on a terrorist attack that killed his fellow citizens.
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Like for real, this is repulsive shit.
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These fuckers are like the eye of Sauron, like once the eye is on you, it's all of their
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power combined onto this fucking painful...
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It's a mess.
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God, that's...
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This...
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Because you can find out if it's photoshopped.
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It's not even that hard if you have technical ability with it, and instead they just wave
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it away and just say like, nope, it was photoshopped.
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I'm done.
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This is what Skousen is talking about when he says that there's video of Johar leaving
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with his bag.
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There isn't.
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Yeah.
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This is a completely unproven Internet conspiracy about how a picture of Johar without his bag
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is photoshopped.
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This coward doesn't even have the wherewithal to present his bullshit sincerely.
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Just keep hiding behind lies so the weakness of your evidence doesn't show too clearly.
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It's bullshit.
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But I mean, it feels like even if you pointed that out, he'd be like, aha, the evidence
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is that there isn't a video of him without his back.
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Like what are you fucking talking about?
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Try that angle out.
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Yeah, well, they photoshopped it out of the video too, and it's like, then fine, magic
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is real.
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Whatever.
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Yeah.
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So Alex has been sort of trying to softly and subtly go from Tamerlan's mother says
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that the FBI called to its truth that the FBI called.
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And Joel Skousen is going to help out quite a bit with that because he's just treating
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that FBI call as a fact.
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I think it was interesting though that the police or the FBI called a couple of days
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after that and talked to them, and yet they didn't arrest them immediately.
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And I don't know if they wanted them to flee.
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I'm still unclear, Alex, what this MIT cop had to do or the carjacking had to do with
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this.
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So the FBI call is not an established fact.
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And guess what?
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The carjacking and the murder of the MIT cop make perfect sense outside of your conspiracy.
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They make absolute sense with reality.
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Why are you...
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I'm still trying to make up a narrative around why that stuff makes sense within my conspiracy
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theory because if I were to like, I mean, there are obviously reasons that those would
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make sense, but not within the context of what I'm telling you is true.
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That's deeply over complicating things.
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Really got to figure out whether or not the moon hit the mirror right and that's what
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sent the MIT cop to kill himself.
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And then they, I don't know.
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So Alex lays out the conspiracy here again.
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And again, I want to stress, I believe that this is him practicing telling the story.
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They were saying, White House officials, former White House officials, Axelrod and others,
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Tuesday night, they said, look, it's going to be lone wolf domestics by themselves.
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By Wednesday, they said, we got them some big announcement.
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It's going to be the tea party.
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They had a celebration on MSNBC, CNN.
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I have the clips.
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I played them.
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They said, yeah, this is going to look like it's lone wolf right wing because they can't
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help but brag to themselves.
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And then something that we and others that became the number one thing searched on the
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web that day, put out, freaked them out.
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They withdraw it.
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They say, OK, there hadn't been an arrest.
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They evacuate the courthouse where it's at.
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Army vehicles drive in, drive out.
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There's a panic.
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They throw all the media out.
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And then the next day, they released Thursday that the photos say, look at nothing else.
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Is this a false flag that completely blew up in their face?
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And they had to switch to a backup plan.
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That's a question?
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Well, not knowing the complexities of this, I know that they are ad-libbing on the spot.
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And that's a lot of what they were dealing with right here.
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So what we have here is Alex practicing telling the story of what happened.
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He's going over the beats of the story, and you can hear him connecting the dots as he
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goes along.
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But there are some problems.
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For one, I thought he changed the narrative to this being a thing where they wanted to
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blame the SEALs initially.
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But now it seems like he's back to the they plan to blame right wingers.
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Was that April 19th episode a bottle episode of Alex's show where he throws out a whole
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new storyline about how it was all about the SEALs and how the lockdown was to clean up
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the patsies?
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Because it seems like we're supposed to have forgotten all about that show.
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Look, it was so they panned out at the end of that episode, and there was an autistic
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child with a snow globe, Dan.
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That's how that episode worked.
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You didn't see the last part of it?
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Didn't.
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So secondly, Alex has never played those clips of the media celebrating that they know it's
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going to be a lone wolf right wing terrorist guy.
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This is the second stage of the you can look it up misdirection.
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When he says you can look it up, it's to train the listener to never feel they need to look
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something up.
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This other one, I've played the clips, is an attempt to convince the listener that he's
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actually played the piece of evidence that he hasn't.
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Eventually, through repetition, he can gaslight people into assuming he's demonstrated all
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this stuff and they must have missed the episode.
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It's like what you were bringing up earlier, what you were feeling.
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One of the benefits of listening to this every day of his show is that I can say very confidently
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that Alex has never substantiated this claim that the media was salivating, that it was
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a right winger, but he's repeatedly claimed that he's played the clips.
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Third, and most interestingly, Joel Skousen seems to think that these globalist bad guys
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got trained out of False Flag by Del Close.
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Does he fucking think that these people are just up there improvising?
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Does he not understand how stupid that sounds?
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Like, alright guys, let's do years long cultivation to this Tamerlan guy involving
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complicated operations to get him in and out of the country secretly, culminating in bombing
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the Boston Marathon.
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Alright, sounds good.
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Then what?
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After that, we wing it.
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I mean, Dan, but there's something we said about a unique performance.
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That's like in theater, there's certain things you get bored by the performance, then you
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have a fun mess up and you get reinvigorated to do it all over again.
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It's a thing that you can only have happen once.
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It's a unique event.
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It's bullshit.
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Oh yeah.
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The whole situation of your bad guys is cartoonish.
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Like, for real, Joel Skousen doesn't get enough grief from me on a regular basis, maybe because
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it's kind of funny that he hates Trump in the present day and Alex has to put up with
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it because all of his other experts won't talk to him anymore.
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But let's not lose sight of the fact that Joel Skousen can fuck off.
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This guy sucks.
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Oh, he's good as shit.
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Yeah.
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So we have two motives now for the bombing.
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Pechenik's motive and Wayne Madsen's motive.
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Skousen has his own.
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Okay.
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It sucks.
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Okay.
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One motive for this is that it had been a long time since we'd had another one of these
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high profile terror attacks.
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Remember, we don't have any normal terrorism in the United States.
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Normal terrorism would look like people coming across the border among the thousands of illegal
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aliens that come across daily and they'd be blowing up electrical pylons, they'd be setting
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off suicide bombers in malls, small non-high profile things.
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These high profile things are always a sign that there is something to be gained.
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A real terrorist hit train tracks.
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That's right.
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So as if you need more evidence, this Joel Skousen's a dunce.
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Here he is asserting that the motive, the globalists need to pull off this Boston bombing
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as a false flag is because we haven't had any terrorism for a while.
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That is a Friedersdorf level take right there, Dan.
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It's been a while since we had one.
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Let's toss them on the, yeah, I'm going to leave aside his ideas about real versus fake
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terrorism.
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Oh, cause it's racist as shit.
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Well, it might be, there might be undertones of it.
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But even if it isn't, it's still just, I don't even care.
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I'm going to leave aside also terrorist attacks aimed at other countries that absolutely do
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affect our country's interests since that list would be too gigantic and they probably
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wouldn't fit whatever nonsense criteria Joel's using here.
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I know that definitions of terrorism might vary, but what about Sandy Hook?
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What about the Aurora shooting?
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What about Christopher Dorner's rampage?
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What about that Nazi who shot up a Sikh temple in Wisconsin?
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What about the attempted assassination of Gabrielle Giffords that left six dead and
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15 wounded?
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I would personally consider all of these to be acts of terrorism to some extent.
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They produce terror in the community, right?
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Whether or not these specific acts had an identified political motivation.
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I would say that in early 2013, particularly after Sandy Hook, no one needed to be reminded
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what terror looked like.
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Were there any trains involved?
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No.
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Not terrorism.
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And then was there any telecommunications company?
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Yeah.
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There's this fucking dumb dumb not remember that we're like six months removed from the
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attack in Benghazi.
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Yeah.
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Six months.
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What the fuck does he like?
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Where does he get off going on a nationally syndicated radio show and pretending to be
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an international affairs expert while he spouts completely meaningless bullshit like this.
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They orchestrated the Boston bombing because it's been too long till there was a terror
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tech.
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Get the fuck out of here with this shit.
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Dan, it's the classic stained motive.
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It's been a while.
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So dumb.
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So now we get a clip that I personally enjoy.
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Okay.
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And that is it may be one of my favorite genres of Alex's coverage.
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And that is when he's swimming and he uncovers something sort of Detective Alex at the swimming
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hole.
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I mean, I listen to local talk radio and they're talking like I am almost every caller's agreeing.
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I was swimming laps out at Martin Springs this weekend and a group of military guys
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and their wives.
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And they were like special ops guys, you know, they were in great shape.
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We're talking about and they couldn't even see me.
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Yeah, I was sitting there with a towel on my head and I just got there and I was laying
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out under a tree and talking about Oklahoma City being an inside job and this was an inside
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job.
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And when I talked to him, they didn't even know who I was.
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So everywhere is the buzz that this was staged.
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I don't believe anything about this.
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I don't even believe Alex went to believe that either.
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I got I was out the moment he said I was swimming laps.
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I was like, you're full of shit.
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I got to say, though, you swim up to the pool bar and back away from the Alex is to be believed.
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Barton Springs is one of the biggest hotbeds for like special secret information.
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Absolutely bandied about casually.
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It is amazing how much secret information is a block away from his house is so much
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secret out there and lay under a tree and you're going to hear something classified.
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You can't walk with you can't throw a stone without hitting a classified piece of information.
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Also, I love that his justification for them being special ops is they were in great shape,
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great shape.
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So they were clearly in special ops.
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Cool.
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And he was under.
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They couldn't even see him.
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They weren't a towel.
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They weren't fucking with me.
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I had a towel.
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I was and they couldn't see me, but I was laying under a tree.
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It was an oak tree.
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I remember that because one of the little acorns fell on top of my towel head and they
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but they didn't know.
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I said, oh, and then they knew it was me.
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But that's when they.
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Oh, man.
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That was me.
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So this next clip is just just for posterity.
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It doesn't really have a whole lot to do with the current affairs that we're talking about.
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But it's interesting that here in 2013, Alex and Joel Skousen are both pretty clear that
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Putin has done some bad stuff.
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OK, now I want to make one point very clear that mainstream media continues to put out
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the propaganda.
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The yes, when they're talking about Russia assisting the FBI in this investigation, how
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Russia has been the victim of Chechen terrorism as well.
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This is absolutely untrue.
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Is that almost all of the Chechen terrorism or terrorism in Russia, the apartment buildings,
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the Breslin bombings of the school that was Putin to get reelected, were blamed on Chechens
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were in fact carried out by Russian speakers, not Chechens.
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So Alex completely does not agree with this in the present.
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Yeah, we're all over the within like a year or two after this.
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He's saying that Putin didn't do that, man.
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Yep.
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He must be happy that he doesn't have to that the news is not focused on Bolsonaro probably
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assassinating somebody.
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He hasn't he hasn't had to worry about that one.
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So Joel goes further down this road and it is also it's pretty embarrassing to hear this
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sort of thing, considering the rhetoric that Alex would put out a very short time after
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this.
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The Russians have been running the Chechens as their false flag operations, just like
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we've been running the Middle Eastern Muslims as our false flag operations in this country.
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Now they're kind of merging the two.
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They're making it a worldwide war on terror.
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This may have some other ramification in terms of bringing in more of this false propaganda
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that Russia is our ally in the world on terror in the war on terror.
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They're still planning a disarmament treaty, another one yet again on Russia, even though
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they have yet to comply with the last New START treaty.
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It seems like our government is just insisting on proving to the American people that the
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Russians are our friends, that there's no threat there, that we're fighting a common
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terror enemy.
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Well, that sounds exactly like Alex's angle a couple of years later.
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Yeah, that's pretty much it.
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Wow, that's weird.
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So we end Alex's run here on the 22nd with Joel Skousen applauding Alex for his great
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work.
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Of course.
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Alex, I want to applaud what you're doing.
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I know you're taking a lot of flak for what's going on.
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That means you're effective with the O'Reilly's who are perennial conspiracy deniers, or even
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Glenn Beck, who's a good guy, considers himself a patriot, but he's a conspiracy denier and
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it's a real problem.
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You're at the forefront of this.
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So conspiracy deniers.
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Conspiracy denier Glenn Beck.
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He has to walk very carefully around that because Glenn Beck has some connections with...
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He's a big W. Cleon Skousen guy.
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Really?
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He has some connection with the Skousen family and he's very into the Skousen anti-communist
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work.
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How do these guys get jobs?
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What do you mean?
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I mean, that's...
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I would...
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Oh, man.
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When they do background checks, it shouldn't be drug convictions, it should be what kind
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of questionable literature choices have you made about whether or not you're fucking anti-government?
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Are you big into weirdos?
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Yeah, exactly.
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What's your favorite book?
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Unintended Consequences?
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Ha ha!
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Caught you.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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Yeah.
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So Alex ends on this and he leaves about three and a half hours into the show and has Jakari
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Jackson and David Knight come in to take calls for the rest of the show.
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Another half hour.
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Right.
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Because he's...
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You know, there's no longer...
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He had to take a shit.
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There's no longer a frenzy going on, so he doesn't have to do six hour long shows anymore.
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He's back to the four hours in overdrive.
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And I just want to play a little bit of this because there's a big thing going on in the
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world.
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And here's some of the calls.
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Here's the first one.
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I'm the Constitution Bill of Rights news ticker, idea guy, I think y'all should run the Bill
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of Rights as a news ticker at the bottom of your screen, but I wanted to point out something
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about the Constitution, everybody's trying to mess with it, and I'm gonna tell you the
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Bill of Rights itself says in the first four articles, the first letter of the first four
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spells out the words, can't, I think it can't be any plainer than that.
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Hell yeah, man.
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What?
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First letter of the first four says...
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What did he say?
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Can't.
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I don't care.
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I mean, this is just numerology level conspiracy.
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It's Nicolas Cage on the other line.
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That is definitely Nicolas Cage.
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So that's one caller and it's like, okay, I'm the guy who came up with the idea of doing
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the Bill of Rights as a ticker underneath it.
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Okay.
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All right.
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So the next caller is a little bit more troubling, but he just wants to, he starts out the call
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with like, I just want to plug something.
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What I wanted to do is kind of plug here.
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I've got a page on Facebook that I started in a group and it's called, the name of it
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is the Constitution is Alive.
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Granted, I know it's not a living document, but if the Constitution dies, so does this
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country is the idea that I was going with.
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Well, I will say...
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Like a man is willing to admit the flaw in his title while he's like, I thought it was
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a great title.
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Now I admit because a lot of people have pointed this out to me.
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It's a very obvious problem.
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A lot of people have pointed this out to me and it's too late for me to change it.
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I came up with some other options for him.
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The first is the Constitution is pretty cool.
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Another one he could have gone with is the president and vice president should be elected
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separately since I hate the 12th amendment.
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Another is, I don't like minorities voting.
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Any of those could work.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Those sound more accurate titles.
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I was curious, so I decided to check and I actually found this Facebook page.
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It's been pretty dormant for a while now, but the last post from July, 2013 is pretty
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telling of the sort of vibe that this guy was putting out.
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Quote, to all five L's, those who have gone back and forth about the mixed race-
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Oh no, stop right there.
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In parentheses, he is not just black like you love to regurgitate, anti-American, anti-every
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religion except Islam, anti-freedom, tyrannical puppet that occupies our White House, and
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the sad part is you still think his shit don't stink.
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You are what's wrong with this country.
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That post, two likes.
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Gotcha.
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I mean, I think that's good.
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Sure.
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I think only two likes on that is good.
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Yeah, I think that's progress for the living Constitution.
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Going through this page's history, it's so clearly someone who's been completely afflicted
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by Alex Jones syndrome.
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It's a nonstop talk about taking arms up and showing the powers that be that they are not
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in charge, followed by insistences that he's not calling for violence.
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It's really sad, honestly.
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They call into Alex's show and they're plugging this page, and as best as I can tell, it didn't
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do too much in terms of engagement and they just lost interest in July.
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I would think that they just died or something, maybe got arrested, but they posted a game
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again in March 2015.
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From that post, quote, I still believe that we can save our country, however, I do not
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believe that there's an option available without blood being spilled.
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We all know that corruption is well rooted and not going to voluntarily remove itself.
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We've all observed how quickly promises made on the campaign trailer left at the curb.
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We all know that the soap ballot and jury boxes are tattered, torn, and breaking into
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tiny pieces.
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We all know that the only box still available is the cartridge box.
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I do not want my children to grow up knowing what war is.
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I do not want my children growing up not knowing me.
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I do not want my children growing up not knowing what freedom is.
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I will not allow anyone the opportunity to take that away from me.
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I will, with extreme prejudice, end anyone standing in the way of restoring this once
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great nation to her proper glory.
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I urge you all to ask yourself where your line is.
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How much more will you take?
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When will you decide to stop hiding online, behind words, and put your blood where your
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mouth is?
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He ends the post with the hashtag, start the revolution.
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This is the logical endpoint for a certain amount of people who internalize and believe
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Alex's bullshit.
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They're angry.
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The enemy they imagine they're up against is supremely overpowered, and every time there's
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a traumatic event in the world, like the Boston bombing, they're taught anew to hate this
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overpowered elite cabal who were secretly the ones who carried out the attack.
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They're given no real guidance or outlet, no path toward legitimate political action,
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only made more angry by outrage after outrage.
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And they never could change anything anyway, since the enemy they're being taught to hate
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is imaginary, but they feel so real.
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A person can only live in that state for so long before it becomes intolerable.
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Some can probably deal with it by supporting Alex more, imagining that it's the best way
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they feel that they can feel like they're making a difference.
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Some probably manage to break free from the bullshit and return to a normal life.
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But some are consumed with this anger-centric worldview and end up calling for blood-filled
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revolutions because they can't figure out any other way to deal with the imaginary enemies
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Alex has taught them to fear.
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I don't believe for a second that Alex isn't aware that this is something that he does
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to people.
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He doesn't care.
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As long as they're out there plugging in for wars, that's good for traffic.
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And if they do end up following through with their plan to kill, they'll just be called
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false flags to demonize the Patriots.
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They'll be used as a prop to provide the fuel Alex needs to terrify and outrage the
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rest of his audience to continue the cycle.
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Yeah.
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It's good.
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So when we look at this episode and this whole thing with the Boston bombing, you see these
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overt lies and this desperate need to take things and make them fit his narrative so
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he can get attention, which we can absolutely see from his own words is paying off incredibly,
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ten times the amount of traffic that he was getting before.
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Just an insane rise in his notoriety.
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And while you can look at these crass things, I think it's also incredibly important to
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remember that there are these people, one of whom who calls in on this show, who are
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being guided down a path that has no off-ramp or at least no off-ramp with a sign that says,
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hey, here's the place to fucking check yourself.
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It's this is I'm far more concerned with the people who are the targets of Alex's propaganda
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and ire.
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I'm far more interested in expending the bulk of my empathy on those people.
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But people like this guy who calls in, I don't think that I in good conscience can ignore
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the fact that he is a victim of Alex's shit too.
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Oh, absolutely.
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And it's harder to feel a ton of empathy for him because, you know, he's advocating things
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that will end up hurting the targeted communities even more.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, should he follow his ideas through to the logical conclusion, he's going
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to end up killing people.
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Yeah.
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And that is unacceptable.
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Well, I mean, to a certain extent for this guy, what I see somebody listening to Alex
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Jones is Alex Jones is essentially has a fucking cattle prod and he is living in a constant
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state of agitation.
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Like it's it's like it's like a fucking experiment of somebody constantly jolting you every time
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you're about to feel any comfort and about to feel like, you know what, it's it's really
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not that big a deal.
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He pokes you again and you get jabbed again and your brain is in this constant state of
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excitement and it drives you insane.
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Yeah.
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Like if you did that, it's animal cruelty listening to Alex Jones.
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Yeah.
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If you have like the possibility of connecting with people on a larger scale, like around
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shared experiences, shared tragedies, you are led away from that.
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Yeah.
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The only people who share your experiences are people who live in the same imaginary
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world you do.
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Yeah.
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You can't process the Boston bombing the way that other people do because you are completely
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separate.
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You sublimate to this awful shit.
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So that's where I'm going to leave this.
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I think that's a good spot to leave it.
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We see a lot of lies.
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We see the, the second stage of Alex's conspiracy building operation kicking in where he attacks
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any information that comes out, solidifies his own narrative retreats from the, they
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were blaming seals all along apparently stuff.
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And you see the consequences.
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I've said my piece will be back on Wednesday, but we have a website.
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We do have a website.
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It's knowledge fight.com.
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Yep.
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We will be on Twitter.
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We will be on Twitter.
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We are.
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We are on Twitter now.
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It's at knowledge underscore fight Nat.
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Go to bed.
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Jordan.
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It'd be fun.
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Uh, it's correct.
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We'll be back.
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Uh, but until then I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark.
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I am at Barton Springs.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
