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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fade, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little
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bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan! Jordan.
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How do you feel about international competitions? Do you root for the United
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States? You know, like in the Olympics? Not always,
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but I'm always thrilled when the United States does well,
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you know, especially when it's camaraderie based.
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You know, it's not like crushing other countries.
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Like when it's not actually feel, when it doesn't feel like
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war. Yeah, I can always feel a little bit of national pride. Yeah.
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But I remember when I was younger, I guess,
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I don't know what years it would have been, but it was around when like Thierry
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Henri and Zinedine Zidane were around. Oh man.
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I was a fan of the French. Headbutt Zidane. I liked the French.
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Headbutt assholes. World Cup team, yeah. I don't know why. I think my brother was
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into the French team. He was much more into soccer than I was,
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so I think I kind of took a little bit by osmosis from him. Yeah.
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And then I studied French in high school, so I always had like a little bit of a
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little je ne sais quoi about the culture. And a little little
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connection. An affinity. Yeah, absolutely. I was a
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Francophile. Yeah. So like I could cheer for them even if they were against the
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United States. Right, right. I could see myself
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endorsing another team. I'm not, you know, I'm not one of these USA or bust
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guys, but I also appreciate it. I know you're bringing this up because
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the women's... They won! Yeah, congratulations. And revenue kicked ass!
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Yeah, absolutely. It was awesome. Yeah, I feel very thrilled for our country.
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And the women's team, congratulations on a back-to-back, man. Oh yeah. That's
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great. I remember, I don't watch football at all, but... Soccer or football? Yes, soccer.
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Okay. Actually, I don't watch either anymore.
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But I got so into the 2015 Women's National Team World Cup win,
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like it was intense. And so ever since then, I watch
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the shit out of women's soccer internationally when I can. I would say
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that probably this is a little bit fucked up to...
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It's not fucked up, but it's weird to admit, but like probably the sport I
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watch most is pro wrestling. Yeah, yeah. I don't even watch a ton of pro wrestling
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anymore or regularly, but the little amount of other sports I watch is
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eclipsed by... You're not a huge sports guy. Yeah, and I don't see, I don't know if there's a ton of
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international competition in pro wrestling. Yeah, unless it's in Saudi Arabia.
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Oh, that Iran versus Saudi Arabia thing was
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not well played. Yeah, that wasn't great. Poorly done, WWE.
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So, Jordan, there's a podcast where I know a lot about
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international competition and Alex Jones. And I only know a lot about the first
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one, second one not so much. Jordan, today we have a very interesting
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episode to go over. We are going to be talking about July 5th,
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2019, which is a present-day episode. I want to say one thing
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very clearly. I have gotten a lot of feedback from
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listeners that are expressing a sentiment that
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this is too much Alex Jones in a row. We need a wacky Wednesday break.
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Yeah. And I empathize. And you've gotten that from me. Yes, absolutely.
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Listeners and you and the voice in my head.
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Absolutely. I understand that and I feel it. I absolutely do.
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One of the considerations, though, is that there's a lot going on in Alex's
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world right now. It takes a lot of attention
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that's required. You've got to focus on this stuff.
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One of the other issues is that it's a time suck. Like,
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if I check in on something as a potential wacky Wednesday thing
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and I listen to like two hours of somebody talk
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and like, this isn't good, this doesn't work, then that's two hours lost.
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Right. And that has happened a bunch. Yeah, well, when we have a schedule like we
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do. Yeah, it's very difficult to
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fit that stuff in. And I empathize. Today is a modern day
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Alex episode, but it'll be also a hybrid wacky
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Wednesday episode. Excellent. So that, I think that will be
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satisfying for some people. Right. And it'll all become very clear
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what I mean as we get into this. But before we do,
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Jordan, I have to take a moment to say thank you to the people who have signed
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up and are supporting the show. I really appreciate it and I completely
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forgot to give any shout outs on the last episode. Yeah, I noticed that halfway through and I
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couldn't bring it up. So we're behind. First, Andrew, thank you
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so much. You are now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Andy. Thank you,
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Andrew. Next, Candace, thank you so much. You are
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now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Candace. Thank you, Candace.
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Next, Spencer, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Spence. Yeah, thanks, Spence.
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Next, Zach, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Zachy. Thank you, Space Command.
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Could be. Could be Alex's secret source. Could be.
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Then finally, I'd say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated
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level. We appreciate it very much. So, Drew, thank you so much. You are now a
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technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Crikey, mate. That's
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fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? All right, we
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got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
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Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin.
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Why you pimps so good? My neck is freakishly large.
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I declare info war on you. Ah, thank you so much, Drew.
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Thank you very much, Drew. If you're out there listening and you're
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So, Jordan, July 5th, 2019, day after the 4th. Day after Independence Day. We've
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already got tanks rolling through the the capital. Alex had predicted that
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Antifa was going to commit chemical warfare against all manner of
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conservatives. If you're out there with your kids, they're going to blind them.
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They did say that, yes. With magical milkshakes. None of that has
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come to pass. We're recording this on Sunday and there was a whole weekend of
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nonsensical bullshit, so if something pops off tonight, don't blame us for not
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knowing about it. It's in the future from when we recorded. But the 4th of July
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predictions that Alex had did not come true at all. Surprisingly. So he's got to
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kind of take a different approach when he comes in. Well, everything I said
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before the 4th is wrong, so... He has to kind of ignore that that was a legitimate
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prediction and fear he was trying to stoke in people. And so instead of
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focusing on how wrong he was, he decides, I am going to go fucking hard about how
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great Trump's speech was on the 4th. Oh no. And here is him introducing the theme
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that's going to develop throughout this episode. Ladies and gentlemen, we are
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broadcasting worldwide on July 5th, 2019. I am your host, Alex Jones. Last night, I
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watched Trump's speech when they re-aired it on C-SPAN. C-SPAN. And it was
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very powerful and a confirmation of just how far we're going as a culture and a
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society against the globalists. And this was a exorcism against the New World
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Order and against the America-hating systems that want to demoralize us. This
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was a very Christian, very Americana, pure Western Renaissance moment. This was
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absolutely amazing. I am so honored by it all. Really? We've come this far
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together. And I know a lot of you are very, very happy right now. This is a big
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deal. It's totally triggering the globalist. There's no way today that
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we're going to even be able to do justice to this. I'm going to do a whole
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special 36-hour broadcast, we've decided, kicking off next Wednesday, just to
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dissect this speech and go over the people of 1776 worldwide. It's all coming
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up at the start of the next segment. But first, proof Democrats hate America and
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want civil war compared to what we're trying to do. Here it is. Okay, so I
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guess there is still a little bit of civil war. It certainly de-escalated in
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terms of the immediacy of it. They're coming to kill all of us. Well, they
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didn't, but have you heard this speech? It was an exorcism. It was an exorcism. Trump
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is a witch. I must exorcise the demons. Yeah, so that's kind of the vibe that
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Alex is going to be putting out, is that Trump was presiding over some sort of a
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pseudo-pagan Christian ritual in order to exorcise the anti-American forces. All
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right, all right. It's really fucked up if you consider, like, if you just take a
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step back and you forget about the fact that Alex has had the career he's had,
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he's presumably someone who's read things, he's legitimately up here saying
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Trump is doing magic. You just strip away all the other stuff. It's like,
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all right, man. Yeah, you know what? I think in that regard, he really does
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agree with Trump, because I'm guessing Trump thinks he's up there doing magic,
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too. I think that Trump would probably not believe it as literally as Alex is
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presenting. I don't know. Like, I got the magic in me or something like that.
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At this point, I don't know, man. All bets are off.
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Yeah, who knows. So, in this next clip, Alex brings up one of the reasons that
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he believes that Trump and Melania were aware that this was a magical ritual
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they were conducting. All right.
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And that is that they were super emotional. We'll see.
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Oh, boy. The C-SPAN 2 shot was a different mix of cameras and was closer
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up on Melania and Trump's faces. And I've got to get that.
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I need those faces. I need them. Because Trump almost broke down crying three
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times. And you could see him gulping back, never seen his body language.
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Get a psychopath, do that. Melania was on fire.
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She did get lit on fire. Like some angelic queen and was radiating
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Americana and the love of the country. And they know exactly what they're
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doing. This is really a ritual of bringing Christianity back into America
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and love of our nation and love of our people and unity. The exact opposite
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of what the globalists are saying and what the globalists are doing.
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I watched some of the videos that Alex was pointing to where he's like,
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Trump is about to cry. He just looks confused. He's a confused old man.
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But that's the Rorschach test that is Trump's face. Alex can see almost
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crying. I can see sundowning. Yeah, right, right, right.
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It's all kind of similar visually. You know, I think when I think angelic
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beauty and love towards America, I think of a woman who wore a jacket
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that said, I don't care on the back of it. Right. That's what I think of.
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Nothing is more godly than not giving a shit about the death of the poor.
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Alex might think that is Americana. That's true, that actually might be
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true. So he might not be internally inconsistent. I can find no evidence
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of them crying. There might have been something that appeared to be tears,
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but that might have been the rain. Yeah. I find this like before the clip
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started, you said this is flimsy. I agree. Yeah, flimsy, flimsy as shit.
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A light way of putting it. Yeah. But I mean, Alex really goes hard on
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this, this narrative. It is all a religious ritual and he just beats it
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into his audience's head. I saw not a power trip, not someone loving
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that crowd of people there, but I saw Trump in the office of president
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with his wife, turning the tide with all those people together in a huge
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ritual. I'm going to go with the first two. Headlines on info wars.com.
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Trump successfully performs exorcism against the globalist and the left.
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In fact, let's pull up the exact headline if we can. So he, this is
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crazy on a couple levels because the first thing is Alex is reporting
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that this was an exorcism. And then the second thing that's crazy is
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that it's now being reported as successful. Yeah. So not only is this a
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magical ritual, but it worked. So how do, but how would you know it
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worked, especially on the fifth? I would say if you're just making it
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up, I would say that that's a pretty good way you could be confident in
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your report. Well, I mean, maybe what he's saying is that there were,
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they were demon possessed and now everybody that was a globalist was
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woken up. Show me one person. Oh, Janet Reno? I don't know if she's a
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globalist. I mean, I'm sure she is. Why did I protest? So one of the
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things that Alex is talking about being these forces that need
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exercising, he gets into them a little bit. And this is probably the
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only point of the episode that I think is like, this isn't what I want
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to cover. The rest of this is going to be really fun, but he's got to
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yell about like drag queen story time and pride parade a little bit.
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And I only even include these clips because of a specific thing that
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he's saying about them that I think needs to be pushed back on a little
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bit. Otherwise it would just be like, yeah, he's talking shit again.
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Let's ignore it. Yeah. I have scores of articles with them now
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admitting that at drag queen story time sponsored by NAMBLA, children
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are mounted on top men and hump the men. What? We have videos and
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photos of this. At gay pride parades, they hump children now. He's just
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making this up. Drag queen story time is not sponsored by NAMBLA. I
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would be surprised if NAMBLA sponsors anything in 20-fucking-19.
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Yeah. I don't think they even, other than Jeffrey Epstein's defense team.
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Yeah. They don't exist as a actual organization that has any real
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formal structure to it at all. Yeah. Who's the CEO of NAMBLA, Dan?
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There might actually be somebody. That might actually exist.
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That might? They don't have a CFO. I'll tell you that right now.
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Probably not. So Alex there at the end is saying that like they just
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grow up kids at pride. And I was like, that's really fucked up. I
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don't think that's true. And I was wondering where he was getting this
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from. And he gives me a clue in this next clip. We have videos and
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photos of this. At gay pride parades, they hump children now. And you're
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like, well, that's insane. In Europe, they have sex with the children in
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public. And so many of them did it just two weeks ago at gay pride
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parades in two European cities. The police couldn't do anything because it
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was mayors and others openly having sex with the children in mass
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rebellion. I really don't think that's true. You don't? I really don't
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think that's true. Oh, that's interesting. I think I would have
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heard more about that if two European cities had mayor's fucking kids
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outside. Yeah, that's a completely made up thing Alex is saying to
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demonize the LGBTQ community. It's become an incredibly common occurrence
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on this show to hear Alex say shit like this that's just completely not
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true. But it hits that you're fresh and offensive nonetheless because of
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the scale of what he's lying about. Alex is repeating talking points from
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the far right in a fascist smear campaign coming out of Europe, which
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these attacks have been directed against the LGBTQ community in recent
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weeks. This traces back to backlash from a recent pride parade held in
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Warsaw. And as we discussed in the episode where we covered Stefan
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Molyneux going to Poland to become a white nationalist, Warsaw and Poland
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is not the chillest place in the world right now for non-heterosexual
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white dudes. Nope. JarisÅ,aw Krasinski, the head of the Law and Justice
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Party and the power behind the Polish president at the moment, he is labeled
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the LGBTQ rights movement a foreign import and a threat. Right. Just
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before the pride parade, a far right journalist from Poland called for
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people to shoot on LGBTQ activists. That's not good. But he was quick to
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point out that he didn't mean it literally and then he compared pride
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parade organizers to Nazis. According to the Independent, quote, some
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town council leaders have also made a point of saying that their
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municipality is LGBT free in recent months. There is a real negative trend
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that you're seeing from the far right in Poland. The environment in
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Poland is not good from a political perspective right now. From articles
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that I've read and information I've found, it does appear that socially
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the population is trending towards greater acceptance and support for LGBTQ
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folk. But that's caused a harsh backlash from the far right ruling
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party. That's a surprise. Part of that backlash has been attacking
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Warsaw mayor Rafal Razakowski for participating in the Warsaw pride
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parade and for saying, quote, not everyone has to go to equality parade,
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but everyone should respect minority rights. It's really important for me
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that Warsaw be open and Warsaw be tolerant. That is a sentiment that is
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in direct opposition to the far right agenda in Poland. And so to
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attack the rising tide of public acceptance of LGBTQ rights, they've
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launched a public campaign to portray the demands of equality as actually
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being an attack on families and an attempt to sexualize children. So
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weird to see bigots across the world from Warsaw to Austin coming up with
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the exact same smears and narratives, almost like they're working out of the
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exact same playbook. It's like, wait a second, did Poland get invaded by the
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Nazis or were they Nazis secretly the whole fucking time? I don't know. Why
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don't you write a blog about it? I think I will. The day after the march,
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a march for life and the family was held in 130 towns in Poland. The march
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had been held in previous years to protest abortion, but this year was
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co-opted by this anti-LGBTQ momentum, and it made its theme, quote,
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protecting children from premature sexualization. All of this is
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absolutely what Alex is lying about and embellishing when he says that a
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mayor in Europe was having sex with children in the street. That is Alex
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knowing that his audience is full of dumb bigots who will accept his
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version of the story when in reality the mayor of Warsaw just expressed
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support for the pride parade. That is what he is embellishing and lying
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about. And this is why I never accept those arguments that people make that
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it's like, Alex is just an over the top guy leading you to the truth. They're
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like, he just wakes you up out of your slumber by being hyperbolic. He
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literally said that a mayor is having sex with children in Europe. What he
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is embellishing is a mayor expressing support for a pride parade. That is
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not leading you to the truth. That is leading you towards accepting far
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right fascist smears coming out of Europe in service of dehumanizing,
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delegitimizing, and oppressing LGBTQ individuals who are just trying to
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accept, or be accepted. It's not a trivial issue.
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No.
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So that's it for Alex's sort of...
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Piece of shittery.
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Eh, no.
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Yeah, well.
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But the stuff that's like, ugh.
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But in this next clip, Alex gets back to talking about how Trump's 4th of
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July speech was a ritual. But then he kind of goes off the rails.
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I haven't hit the ritual Trump conducted yet, and I'm gonna do it next
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segment.
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What? He knows what ritual?
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Come hook or crook. But it was absolutely incredible. Absolutely insane.
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I agree.
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That they're attacking it, and it just really shows you the two different
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sides here. Crystal clear and confirms everything we always knew about the
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left. They want our guns. They hate our country. They want to have sex with
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our children. They're just evil. And history shows that you go through
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these periods. We're gonna go to break. This is the last few days of the
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Save in Full Wars 4th of July mega special.
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Okay.
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The last few days are the day after.
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Yeah, mega special. Save in Full Wars.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So when we talk about the idea that Alex is hyperbolic in order to wake
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people up and that being complete bullshit, you see here, the thing that
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he is being hyperbolic about and the thing that he is exaggerating, which
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is they want to fuck your kids, he then turns around and uses as an
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introduction for his sales pitch about why he needs to keep existing to
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fight back against this imaginary bullshit that he has exaggerated to
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make you scared of, to make you worried about. This is a very easy game
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to figure out.
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Yeah.
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If you just pay attention to the structure of his show. Now, one of the
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things about Alex is that he knows a lot about history.
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Ah, he knows a lot about lore.
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Well, history is lore, so you...
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Hm, I see you, hm.
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He knows a lot about real stuff, for sure. I'm trying to find a better way
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to phrase this, but I'm just gonna have to let it slide.
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Yeah. He has a lovely imagination.
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Oh, sure. And what he likes to imagine is the left getting mad about things.
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That seems to be something he obsesses about.
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Yeah.
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Um, unfortunately, he doesn't understand what the things that he thinks
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anger the liberals are.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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It's pretty clearly demonstrated by this next clip.
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You can see how much they love seeing America come back from the dead and
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stopping the demoralization of the people. So let's start rolling Battle
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Hymn of the Republic, a Christian song, triggering the left massively.
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Ooh, that was bad.
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That's enough of that.
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Ah, it's really funny that Alex thinks that the Battle Hymn of the Republic
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is somehow gonna trigger Libs, or that it's in any way in line with his
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distorted version of Christianity, or even American history.
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For one thing, the song itself is just a new set of lyrics that were written
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in 1861 and set to a pre-existing tune from the song John Brown's Body,
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which itself is based on a folk song whose precise origins are a matter of
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dispute. A good many scholars have argued that it has its roots in
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African-American communities in the pre-Civil War South.
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Do you mean like most music? Or at least good? Never mind.
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Both John Brown's Body and the Battle Hymn of the Republic are strongly
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abolitionist songs.
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John Brown's Body was sung exclusively by Union soldiers, and it was
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decidedly anti-Confederacy, as evidenced by the lyrics, quote,
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they will hang Jeff Davis to a sour apple tree, and quote,
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now three rousing cheers for the Union.
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Not bad.
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Pretty overt.
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It's a little bit obvious, yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm glad they changed the lyrics and we're not still singing the song
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that's like, we're gonna hang him, man.
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Hang Jefferson Davis to a sour apple tree.
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We're gonna do it.
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The Battle Hymn of the Republic was written by Julia Ward Howe, someone
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who Alex would absolutely have called an SJDUB if he was around in the
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1800s.
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She was decidedly a dedicated abolitionist and wrote her song
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specifically to give a more cleaned up version of John Brown's body to
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rally the Union army to defeat the Confederacy.
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After the Civil War, Howe dedicated herself to the battle for women's
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suffrage, putting her squarely on the right side of history on two
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important issues of her time.
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I'm so triggered.
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Though her version was a little bit less overt, it didn't include the
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part about hanging Confederate President Jefferson Davis.
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Which made me so.
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It was still pretty clearly anti-Confederate.
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One verse in particular stands out.
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Quote, in the beauty of the lilies, Christ was born across the sea with
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the glory in his bosom that transfigures you and me.
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As he died to make men holy, let us die to make men free while God is
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marching on.
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The only people who should be triggered by the playing of the Battle Hymn of
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the Republic are people like Alex, whose family fought for the
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Confederacy.
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This song is literally about killing his family members who took up arms
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to defend slavery.
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I don't think that people who don't know about the song's histories would
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be that triggered by it either.
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I feel like most people who don't really think about it all that much
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just kind of accept it as a patriotic classic that gets brought out every
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time we have an America fetishizing holiday.
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I used to play it in the marching band every year.
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I think most people kind of it rolls off them like, eh, whatever.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Still doing that, huh?
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But anybody who knows anything about the history of the song would know
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like that these are specifically abolitionist songs.
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Right, right, right.
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Let's kill the slave owners.
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Right?
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Let's fuck up Alex's great grandfather.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That would be so funny if he did happen to be in the song.
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Alex legitimately believes that he is his ancestors.
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Yes.
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He has that idea that like your ancestors live on through you.
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So his Confederate ancestors are him.
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Right.
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That song is legitimately...
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Still trying to kill him.
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It is the only reason we keep singing it is because it has followed his family through him.
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If anybody should hate that song, it's him.
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Absolutely.
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That's the only reason to hate that song.
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And because he's his ancestors, the wound should still be fresh.
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Absolutely.
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You know, he's still bitter about that song.
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Yeah. So I don't know, I think he's just talking shit about the Battle Hymn of the Republic,
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but that is par for the course.
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Right.
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In this next clip, Alex gets really weird.
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And sort of...
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These are the kind of clips I really enjoy seeing.
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This is Alex adding a new layer to his past history that makes him into just a big old hero.
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I don't think I've heard him bring this up before.
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I think he might have brought this up if this was something that was true.
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Yeah.
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I think this is just a retcon.
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While he was selling oil paintings, he tackled a would-be mugger?
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Nope.
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But I'm sure he did.
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This is spiritual war, ladies and gentlemen.
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And I used to think I was crazy when I was a little kid.
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You were.
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Because you don't really call it the visions.
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It's just a knowing and of a job you've got to do.
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And then never even, as you get older, even thinking about what you thought when you were
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a kid.
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And then once you're in college and things like that...
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You weren't in college.
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When you were young, like 4, 5, 6 years old, God telling you you have a mission.
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And then envisioning what was going to happen.
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And then later it happens and you look back and you say,
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that wasn't like Oprah Winfrey's The Secret, where you just say something...
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Oprah Winfrey's The Secret?
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It's all about destiny and providence and bloodlines and backgrounds and ongoing wars
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and God's plan and providence.
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And you step into that.
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It's not that God's making things happen.
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God's put forward these different future roads.
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And then you've got to choose the path you're going to go on.
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But the paths are predestined.
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If he's saying that cause and effect exists, then I guess I agree with him.
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But the part that's really strange to me is that what he's expressing is that from the
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age, a very young age, he's had visions of what he's doing now.
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Right.
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Which I don't believe at all.
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No, it's cause God gave him.
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I don't believe that at all.
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His life would not be so full of complete 90 degree turns down bizarre roads.
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He didn't tell you what the paths looked like, Dan.
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I guess so.
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God set out these paths, which again makes no sense.
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It doesn't.
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It makes no sense because if God has already preordained certain paths,
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it doesn't matter which ones you go down.
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You don't have any control over it.
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That's stupid.
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In this next clip, Alex talks more about how the Trumps were crying during the speech.
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And again, I just have to stress, I have no evidence of this.
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Also, I don't care.
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Right.
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Oh yeah.
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That's another point.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Alex, she's not from here.
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She was an illegal immigrant.
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So, I mean, this is just turning like Trump into a God King.
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That's what's going on here.
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This is almost like an attempt to deify, which Alex has been on that tip for a long time,
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but like, it's so overt.
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It's so insanely naked, this attempt to inexorably tie American providence
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and what it means to be patriotic with this singular executive.
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Right.
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Which seems to be against what Alex pretends to stand for, but who knows?
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Well, you know what?
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Ramsey's the second, his main rallying cry was 1776 2.0, I believe, yeah.
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Right.
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As Ozzie Mandamus.
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Ozzie Mandamus was an enhanced Americana.
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Yeah, exactly.
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If I know anything.
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So Alex, on this episode, one of his big narratives that is convoluted and I don't really care
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about is that he was looking at responses to Trump's speech.
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Sure.
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And he saw the mainstream media come out with a bunch of hit pieces about how Trump's stupid
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and all this is like Trump is making this about himself.
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But then those pieces were immediately taken down because the media realized they were
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going to come out with this attack, but then no one liked it.
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So they doubled back.
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I don't, I don't know that this is true.
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I have no way I can confirm or deny this.
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I think what Alex is talking about is other people posted like streams or rebroadcasts
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of like CNN or MSNBC and those got hit with copyright strikes.
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Right.
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That's what I'm guessing he's talking about, but I'm not really sure.
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He's not specific enough that there's any threads I can pull and I don't care.
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Right.
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I think he's just making shit up.
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It could just be completely made up.
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Right. But part and parcel of this narrative is that the reason that they ended up taking
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all these things down was because the backlash from the Patriots and the good Americans was
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so strong.
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Now, if you're wondering how Alex gauges that, he explains in this next clip and it's not
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very good.
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It was so exciting.
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As I said last night, as I typed in Trump into YouTube and every video for 10 pages
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deep was vicious attacks with headlines like critics say it was terrible.
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Trump's horrible.
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Trump made it all about himself.
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Public hates it.
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Small crowds.
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And I clicked on dozens of them.
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I looked at the comments and every comment on the ones I clicked was just I'm done.
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You're pathetic.
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This was a great event.
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He didn't make it about himself.
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It made it about all of us coming together.
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I'm so proud of my country.
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You know, I used to be a liberal, but now I learned they really do hate America.
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They want us all to hate each other to control us.
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I mean, the comments were all on fire.
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If you're gauging public sentiment by YouTube comments, yeah, you're not doing good.
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No, that's the marketplace of ideas.
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That's that's where that's the Acropolis of our times, Dan.
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I would suggest that if you had better information, you wouldn't use YouTube comments as a reinforcement
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of your argument.
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I don't know, I would say that, generally speaking, not very serious people cherry pick
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YouTube comments in order to, like, reinforce it.
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I would say that this is a damning indictment of Alex's process and what he considers relevant
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information.
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If he thinks that YouTube comments are somehow worth being a part of a discussion, I think
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that I don't know.
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It's just embarrassing.
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Like, if if he wasn't playing a stacked game, like if he didn't have an audience that demanded
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so little of him, he would be like, if we did that, we would be pillory.
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Oh, no, it would be a nightmare.
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Like, that would be nuts.
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If you cited as one of your sources a YouTube comment, everyone would go apeshit in YouTube
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comments.
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Even if I used specifics.
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Yeah, it's like, hey, you know what?
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Everybody hates Trump.
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And here's why I believe that look at these YouTube comments.
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Yeah.
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Holy shit.
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Also, it kind of suggests that when he says that he watched dozens and dozens of YouTube
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videos and looked at the comments, it's more like he went to dozens of videos and looked
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at the comments without watching the video.
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I don't even know what he's saying.
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It does not matter to me.
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Who has time for dozens and dozens of YouTube videos?
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Yeah, but you know, these YouTube videos that he was watching that may or may not have been
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taken down, they were expressing a real hatred of America.
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Because they hate Trump.
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Yeah.
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Now, it wasn't just YouTube videos that Alex found.
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There were also articles that were written that are America hating.
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Yes.
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And Alex has found one.
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And this is how he decides to cover it.
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Vox reporter says the US would have been better off staying with England.
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And you look at the guy.
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That's how you're going to judge what he said.
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Yeah.
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Look at this guy.
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Look at this guy.
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Now, now, don't celebrate 4th of July by saying the American Revolution was a mistake.
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Let me explain something.
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Every reporter they've had on me from BuzzFeed or any of these places looks like this.
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Whether it's a woman or a man, put him back on screen, please.
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And blow up his face for people.
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He's got a face that's more evil than Brian Stelters.
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Full screen, please.
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That is an insult, sir.
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Now, think about that.
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And you look at him, he's got this satisfied, evil, creepy, dirty, oily look.
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And then I googled his name and more photos.
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Each one looks more creepy after the next.
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Good analysis so far.
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The disingenuousness of him.
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Right.
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Photos of a writer.
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This is a guy on July 4th telling you how much America sucks.
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And you wouldn't let that guy clean your toilets.
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You wouldn't let him work on your pool.
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You wouldn't let him get anywhere near your children.
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Okay.
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This is gross.
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So Alex is going really hard after Vox reporter Dylan Matthews and Alex's primary complaint
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seems to be that Dylan isn't attractive.
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This is pretty weak stuff.
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Yeah.
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Alex, what did you write?
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Well, I'll give you some context.
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The article that Alex is responding to is something that Dylan wrote in 2015.
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The article was updated this year, but I compared the articles and it appears that the only
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update was giving it a new headline.
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Apparently that gives Alex just enough justification to report on a four-year-old article that
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was written and published while Obama was president as if it's somehow a recent thing
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and an attack on Trump.
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And it was the last time the US women's national team won the Women's World Cup.
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So we're all good together.
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Dylan's argument comes down to three points as to why staying with the British empire
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might have led to a better outcome, generally speaking.
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Yeah.
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The first is that slavery would have been abolished sooner.
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And this is not a debatable point.
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England had abolished slavery before the American Revolution and abolished it in all of its
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colonies except India in 1834, with India following along in 1843.
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The Emancipation Proclamation didn't formally abolish slavery in the United States until
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1865.
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I'm sure Alex would probably say that who cares about an extra 22 years of non-slavery,
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but I think that's a pretty dumb argument.
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So Dylan's first point is absolutely correct.
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If we were still in the British empire, slavery would have been outlawed sooner and possibly
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even without a civil war being needed to do it.
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Right.
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The second argument that he makes is that while there would have been inevitable conflict
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and violence between the colonists and Native Americans, it would have been far less horrible
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if the colonies had remained as a part of the British empire.
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Dylan's not painting a utopian version of what would possibly have been.
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Rather, he's just pointing out that the ethnic cleansing that took place in our early
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history was the direct result of an insatiable hunger for Western expansion, which the British
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set limits on with their proclamation of 1763.
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It's hard to know exactly how things would have played out, but if you look back at what
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our independent country did to Native peoples, it kind of does make you think a little bit.
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Yeah.
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It's possible.
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It's possible that's a decent point.
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No, it is.
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You're arguing a counterfactual, and that's always very difficult.
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Right.
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Like, imagine possible worlds, but there's something worth thinking about there.
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Yeah, especially...
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But, you know, it's in terms of the dominoes that would have fallen, you cannot make any...
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But that's why he has tons of caveats in there about, like, there still would have been fighting,
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people still would have been violent towards each other.
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For sure, for sure.
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But just possibly the Trail of Tears wouldn't have happened.
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Yeah.
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Possibly reservations wouldn't have happened.
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Who knows?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, the last point Dylan makes is that the parliamentary system of government is more
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stable than what we have come up with.
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Parliamentary systems, he says, are less likely to collapse into dictatorships since they lack
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the focus on a singular authority, which characterizes presidential systems.
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He further points out that parliamentary systems generally experience less gridlock,
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and legislation can be generally passed much easier in that sort of system,
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as opposed to our conflict-based system that often ends up in a situation where one side
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wants something, one side wants the opposite of something, and no one can make any headway.
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Complete gridlock, yeah.
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Agree or disagree with Dylan Matthews' points, it's not fair to say that he hates America
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from the text of this article.
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It's one thing to dispute his premises, it's entirely another to accuse him of being a
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demon because you don't want to engage with his ideas, then do a little segment on your
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show where you call him ugly and imply he's a danger to children.
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This is childish bullshit, but it's no surprise coming from Alex.
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Absolutely not.
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Dylan's article was originally published on July 2nd, 2015, and on July 7th, 2015,
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Vox published a response article with the headline, quote,
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No, the American Revolution was not a mistake.
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In this article, Jeff Stein does exactly what Alex Jones is incapable of doing, taking Dylan's
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points, considering them, and expressing counterpoints that he feels make a better argument.
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Surprisingly, not once in Stein's article does he call Dylan ugly.
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No, he had to have at least once.
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He doesn't.
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The headline was, here's a response to this ugly dude's bullshit.
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Also, look at this, I'll go.
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Yeah.
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No, the American Revolution was a good idea.
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Get a load of this guy.
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Yeah.
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Vox published both of these articles because they both bring up interesting perspective
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on history.
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They both use primary sources to defend their differing views on how things would have been
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different if the United States hadn't declared independence.
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Vox published both of these articles not because they hate America, but because they're media
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outlets that are interested in publishing interesting content.
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In contrast to that, Infowars is a media outlet interested in publishing content based on
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personal insults, making shit up, and lying about headlines.
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Yeah.
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The difference could not be clearer.
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Right.
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It's really interesting to me, especially within the context of these free speech
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dumb-dumbs, this whole idea of dangerous ideas, you guys can't exist in the marketplace of
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ideas and debate our ideas.
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Alex is talking about a four-year-old Vox article that they themselves published a response
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to from another author where there was a debate between the two.
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These articles are not just articles that exist where a guy made this point and completely
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unrelated, another guy made a different point.
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Yeah.
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Jeff Stein's article is a direct response to Dylan Matthews' article.
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There is an interplay that's happening between them within a media source.
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Right.
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Vox is allowing these ideas to be discussed and interact with each other for public consumption.
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Yeah.
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That is a marketplace of ideas.
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Right.
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One guy saying, American Revolution, bad.
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The other saying, aha, no, good.
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It was good.
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And in fact, I disagree with some of your points.
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And here's why I disagree with those points.
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That is what Alex and his dickhole friends pretend they want to do.
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In reality, what Alex wants to do is say that these people are a bunch of globalist fucks
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and call them ugly and then imply that they want to hurt your kids and then make money
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off of doing that.
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That's what it is.
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It's a con.
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Any free speech advocate on the right, all they really want is to be wrong loudly and
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never have to deal with it.
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They don't want any argument.
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They don't want any kind of learning possibility.
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They don't want any pushback.
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They want to be able to say what they want to say, no matter how wrong, no matter how
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racist, no matter how stupid, without ever having to deal with the consequences.
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Free speech.
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Exactly.
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Jordan, I've been texting you since yesterday and telling you that I have found something
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completely amazing.
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Game changing.
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Game changing.
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You said game changing.
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This to me is game changing.
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The game will be changed.
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And this is also dovetailing into where we reach the point of the episode where things
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take a little bit of a feel of a wacky Wednesday episode.
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And that is because Alex gets a guest to come into studio.
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This is a guest that we're aware of.
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We've met this guy before, but I don't know if we've paid him nearly enough attention.
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This is a guy who's Italian.
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He pretends that he knows shit about the Vatican.
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Oh, no.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Alex Jones hanging out with Leo Zagami.
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Jesus Christ.
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Leo came here Wednesday and he said, I brought you a bottle of champagne that was very expensive
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in all the news in Italy when Trump won three years ago.
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And so he brought me a bottle of it.
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In fact, the decorative box is right over there on that desk.
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If somebody could bring it to me out of the dark over there.
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And I was kind of like, well, what are we going to celebrate?
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Well, just the fact that Trump's in there.
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But now that after this Fourth of July speech, that's his biggest yet, the way the left demonized
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it, lied about it, said it was all about him when it wasn't, how well it was received while
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they're trying to ban the American flag and, you know, trying to do all of this, this is
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a very good time to celebrate.
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So I don't normally have champagne, you know, at 1230 noon.
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I've actually don't really drink much these days, but in celebration of this, I am more
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than happy to do this with Leo Zagami and his lovely wife who's here.
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So in a minute, come up, share out of your glass.
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I've only got two glasses here, Leo Zagami.
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But he keeps being like, I should have had a third glass.
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Yeah, there's a there's a real sense of regret that I rarely see in him.
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Like, could have had a third glass.
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Ah, rude.
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It was just rude.
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Yeah.
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Also a funny story.
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Leo Zagami, his wife in 2017, published a book called Confessions of an Illuminati Princess
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that I do believe was maybe ghostwritten by Leo.
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OK, well, yeah.
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Or at least the blurb on Amazon is because it seems to glorify Leo.
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Of course.
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My wife wrote a book and it's all about how giant my penis is.
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Isn't that crazy?
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It's close to that, but replace giant penis with super important Illuminati insider.
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Exactly.
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Jordan, I've listened to Leo Zagami show up on Alex's show in the past.
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I've heard him even when he made an appearance on Project Camelot because he did.
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Yes, he did.
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I have listened to him a bunch and a lot of the stuff that I was able to find in my research
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today is not stuff that has ever come up.
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It is not stuff that Alex has ever saw fit to be like, hey, now I should tell you this
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about Leo Zagami.
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I cannot wait to tell you this is one of my favorite stories that I will ever tell on
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this podcast.
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And no matter how much I do this, I cannot oversell this.
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OK.
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All right.
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All right.
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You got a lot to live up to.
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So here's Leo just talking some shit.
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What would you call this historical time we're in right now?
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It's a time of real renaissance.
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It's a time of getting back what was taken from us.
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And we were in Italy, the first organization to believe in Trump before he became a president.
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Four years ago when he was first running, I met with you in Italy again.
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You said he's going to win.
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He's like Berlusconi, who I know you're friends with.
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And you were explaining it all to him.
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Oh, no.
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He's not friends with Berlusconi.
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Oh, OK.
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I was going to say, because if he's friends with Berlusconi, that would be a great starting
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point for the best story that you could ever tell on this podcast.
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I strongly believe that that is part of his mythology that he has just invented.
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I see no evidence that he's friends with Berlusconi.
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You're a big fan of Mussolini, right?
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You are a huge fan of that.
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Yes.
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So in this next clip, Leo confesses to a crime.
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A bottle like this costs 2,000 euros.
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That means approximately two thousand five hundred dollars.
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Wow.
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So we are about to open a very expensive bottle, which I advise you to keep for posterity because.
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Oh, I will.
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I've never I've never had a two thousand bottle of anything.
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I think a hundred dollars is fancy for me at a wedding or something.
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I work in class.
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Maybe I have to thank also the people at the Fiumicino Airport, my friend Andres Inini,
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who came to pick us up outside of the airport and brought us through the VIP line so we
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could avoid any control.
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That's right.
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You're not allowed to bring liquor or alcohol into a country, especially a luxury thing
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like a brand like this one, because if you go and check on the Internet the name of this
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brand, which is Maurice Trico.
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So quite a journey to get this here to us.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Wow.
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One bottle of this is all that exists.
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That's it.
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He illegally trafficked champagne in the country.
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So if I understand correctly, they are celebrating somebody getting past customs and border protection.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Fun irony, when it's a really expensive bottle of champagne you get to enjoy.
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Yeah.
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Dumbass.
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Fun, fun.
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I don't really care about that.
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I may be...
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Hypocrisy means nothing anymore.
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No, no, but also I might be of the mind that I don't give a shit if you bring a bottle
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of champagne into the country.
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I don't know why that needs to be heavily controlled.
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I'm sure there's a reason, but who cares?
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What I'm saying is I'm not calling for Leo Zagami to get in trouble for bringing a bottle
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of champagne into the country.
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Absolutely not.
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No.
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It's just hilarious.
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I just want him to be detained in some sort of camp.
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So you remember earlier when you were talking about how Melania is an immigrant.
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She is an illegal immigrant for at least a year.
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Well, Alex makes an interesting, you know, little comment here.
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Here's to President Trump.
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Oh, and Melania, gee, boy, I want her to run for president.
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Yeah, yeah, she can't.
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Let's repeal the amendment that foreign born can't be president for her.
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But haven't the amendment only for her.
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See, it's funny because of all the stuff he said about Obama.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's funny because she's married to a guy who was a birther.
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Right, right, right, right.
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It's funny because Alex doesn't really care about all the principles.
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Not even in the slightest.
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But it's funny.
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Because even then all he really wants is Trump to be telling her what to do while she's president.
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Right.
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Fucking stupid.
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Alex keeps talking about how hot Leo's wife is.
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Oh, great.
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It's weird and kind of uncomfortable.
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And it leads to this.
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I'm very glad to be here with my wife that shares with Melania the fact that they are
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both ex-models.
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And so it's a coincidence.
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But also we like fine ladies.
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Well, I'll tell you.
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And you have also a fine wife, which I met when you were not even, I think, married.
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Ah, we like fine women.
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So they just sort of talk a bit of shit for the first, you know, first glass of champagne
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sitting around a bowl.
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They're just talking about nothing.
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Yeah.
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So now, Jordan, we've talked about Leo Zagami a little bit in the past.
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He popped up in our 2015 investigation as a complete weirdo saying absurd things that
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Alex accepted as smart sounding because he thinks anyone with an accent is a genius.
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Yes.
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To recap for anyone who missed those episodes.
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Leo Zagami's whole thing is that he used to be in the Illuminati, but now he's become
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a whistleblower warning the world about their nefarious satanic plans.
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He also apparently is a Vatican insider, which I guess just comes with the territory.
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You know, like if you're in with the Illuminati, you probably get invited to some Vatican mixers.
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For sure.
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You know, a little cocktail hour at the Vatican.
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Yeah, I assume you go to every place of power, you know, like, you know.
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Masons.
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For sure.
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Here in the mix.
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Yeah, yeah, Getty Museum.
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For sure you're invited to the museum.
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For sure you're invited there all the time.
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He's running one of the simplest scams imaginable.
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The Illuminati doesn't exist, so he can just make up whatever shit he wants and trick
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idiots into thinking he has inside information about it.
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On the flip side, the Catholic Church is an insanely corrupt organization full of monsters
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and people who protect monsters.
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So they're pretty easy also to make shit up about and make it sound credible.
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If you just predict that a bunch of priests are going to be outed as abusers, there's
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a non-zero chance that even if you're making it up, your prediction may come true.
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I would say there's probably a hundred percent chance.
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It's a safe game he's playing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's very little reliable information about Leo Zagami online.
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For the most part, no one really cares about him outside of conspiracy circles, so the
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only real coverage of him comes from that perspective, which isn't super critical and
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all of it's pretty dicey.
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Yeah.
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However, there is an amazing story to be told here, and in order to tell you it, I've had
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to scour message boards, long dormant conspiracy sites, and foreign YouTube channels.
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What I'm going to present to you today is as close as I can get to the actual true story
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of how Leo Zagami got to where he is today and how he clearly demonstrates how little
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research Alex and his team do on somebody before they allow them to be presented as
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a credible guest on their show.
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So there isn't too much concrete information known about Leo Zagami pre-2008.
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Really important to have that if you're going to make bullshit up about the Illuminati.
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Yeah.
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According to the bio he has on his website, he was working as a DJ and record producer
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under the name Leo Young until 2006, at which point he decided to start exposing the Illuminati.
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His father was a professor of psychology named Elio Zagami, and his mother was Jessica Lyon
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Young, who Leo alleges is, quote, a member of the Queen Mother of England's family.
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Her middle name is literally Lyon.
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But that's his...
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His interpretation of it, or his...
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L-Y-O-N.
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Yeah, no, no, no.
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I know, but I mean, come on.
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Yeah, that's apparently his mother's, his maternal last name.
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Right.
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I don't know.
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He doesn't specify how he's related to the Queen Mother, and from digging around in as
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much as I can, I can't find any close relations with the Queen Mother who have that name.
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The only references I can find to Jessica Lyon Young being related to the royal family come
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from various websites that have reposted Leo's self-written bio. Given the other things I
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know about him, I strongly suspect he's making up his connection to the Queen Mother.
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Leo's life story up to going public against the Illuminati goes something like this.
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He was born into a Scottish Sicilian Illuminati aristocratic bloodline, and as such, he's
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been a part of the Illuminati since the day he was born.
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Of course.
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As a lifelong member, he was groomed as a prince of the Illuminati, reaching the rank
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of the 33rd degree of Masonic initiation at the notorious Italian P2 Lodge.
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Okay, okay.
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Before he decided to expose the secret society, he was set to replace the previous king of
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the Illuminati, but Leo was disgusted by the Satanism he was surrounded by, so he turned
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his back on it all and chose the path of light.
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So we're going, this is full Lion King here.
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You bet.
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Okay.
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This is an essential piece of his hero's journey. He stood to inherit everything,
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all the power in the world, all the riches, but because he cared too much about the world,
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he rejected it all.
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To fact check his story, I should point out that the lodge he claimed to be a part of,
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P2, was definitely real, but it also closed when Leo was six years old, so it seems unlikely
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he was a member there.
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The only direct evidence he's ever provided of his membership in any Masonic lodge is
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a picture of his membership badge from Kirby Lodge 2818.
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The thing that's important to understand about the Masons, though, is that they keep
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exhaustive records.
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Their entire organization basically revolves around ritual, and record keeping is a part
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of that.
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Included in their record keeping, of course, are reports where they kick people out of
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their lodge.
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Oh no.
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Leo's Agami was kicked out of Kirby Lodge within two years of joining for behavioral
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problems, including, but not limited to, excessive use of profanity.
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After that point, he started just joining a bunch of fake lodges that aren't even involved
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with the Masons, but they seek to create the illusion that they are.
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If he ever reached any high level of initiation anywhere, it's in fake Masonic lodges, which
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seems on brand.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Are they more like apostate Masonic lodges, or are they like a bunch of weekend dudes
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just like, we don't want to do the actual Masonic bullshit?
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I think it varies, and I think some of it is either of those groups, and I think there's
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even a third cross-section that is like, I want to be weirder than that.
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Yeah, of course, of course.
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Whatever I feel like is Masonic isn't actually, so I'm going to create my own lodge that adheres
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to my version of them praising aliens and shit.
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Yeah, yeah, it's just branding.
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Yeah.
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So in 2008, Leo found himself living in Norway.
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In March 2008, Carrie Cassidy over at Project Camelot received a message from a Norwegian
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politician who had a dire warning.
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Quote, the Norwegian government is building more and more underground bases in Norway
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and more underground bases in bunkers.
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Planet X is coming.
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Okay.
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The people that are going to be left on the surface will die, along with the others, and
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get no help whatsoever.
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The plan is that two million Norwegians are going to be safe, and the rest will die.
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All the governments in the world are aware of this, and they just say it is going to
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happen.
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I assure you 100% that things will happen.
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There are four years to prepare for the endgame.
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Get weapons and make survival groups, and a place where you can be safe with food for
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a long time.
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Okay, so he was on the 2012 tip.
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Well, this is from an alleged Norwegian politician.
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Right, right, right.
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It's just important to point out that at the time, Leo Zagami lived in Norway.
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That is, it does seem like those two facts might come.
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Mm-hmm.
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The politician offered to answer any questions Carrie might have, which led to a correspondence.
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In his messages, he makes a number of predictions that do not come true, and they should have,
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based on him saying that the things were set up in advance.
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They weren't predictions in the way he was saying it.
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They were saying this is what the plan is.
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For instance, he said that Siv Jansen would be elected Prime Minister of Norway in 2009,
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which didn't happen.
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Oh, okay.
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Interestingly, in February 2008, Leo Zagami had been interviewed on Project Camelot, so
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he was in place to be a valuable source to check in with about this letter from an alleged
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Norwegian politician, and that's exactly what happened.
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He ran a two-man, one-man game on Carrie Cassidy?
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Maybe.
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We'll get a bit more into this as it goes along.
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Okay.
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There's something very suspicious going on here.
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I am enjoying his temerity, Dan.
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Yeah.
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So Carrie called Leo to interview him about this alleged politician whistle-blower.
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Leo's profile in the conspiracy world was raised dramatically in the span of a couple
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months thanks to the platform of him being on Project Camelot.
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If you'll recall, when we covered Jessica Schaub, she specifically said that after she
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went on Project Camelot, she, quote, became famous overnight.
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Yeah.
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While it may seem like an irrelevant joke now, Project Camelot was a pretty large platform
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in the conspiracy community a decade ago, and Leo undoubtedly got a whole lot of traction
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out of being featured on the show and being mixed up in the story of this alleged Norwegian
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politician warning about Planet X.
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A cynical mind might suggest, as you kind of already have, given how wrong the alleged
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politician was about pretty much everything, it's likely that the letter was a bit of a
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stunt, and maybe the only person who stood to gain anything from that kind of stunt was
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Leo himself.
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I have no idea, though.
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I can't prove it either way.
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It could be an amazing coincidence that right after he got interviewed in Oslo for Project
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Camelot, Carrie received a mysterious whistle-blowing message from a Norwegian politician.
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Well, you know it was a Norwegian politician because it was sent from lzagami at gmail.com.
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Who else could send that Norwegian politician letter?
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Who knows.
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Soon after his appearance on Project Camelot, Leo's wife left him and took their son with
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her.
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It's very hard to determine what actually happened here, but I can tell you that I don't
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believe the version of the story that's repeated ad nauseum in conspiracy circles.
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As they tell it...
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Well, hold on.
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I'll just read to you from this blog called the Kentroversy Papers, which is written by
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someone who claims to be a personal friend of Leo's.
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Keep that in mind for later.
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Oh, god, no.
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Kentroversy Papers, hold on to that thought.
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This dude is Kevin Durant of conspiracy theories.
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Quote, Leo's wife, who had been working all along for the Illuminati, has accused him
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of spousal abuse.
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Accused.
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I don't know if the accusation of domestic violence is even...
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I don't know if it's true or even if the accusations were ever actually made, but I do know that
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I don't believe that his wife left because she was secretly working for the Illuminati.
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Doubtful.
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David Icke pulled this exact same stunt in 2012 when he divorced his second wife, Pamela
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Lee Richards, who said he decided they needed to split up after 11 years of marriage because
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he, quote, became suspicious that she was a shape-shifting alien.
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When intimacy deteriorates for these people, their loved ones strangely always end up being
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secretly involved with their imagined enemies.
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You can even see this with Alex Jones as he blurs the lines between the actions of the
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globalists and his ex-wife, the globalists want to take my kids away, that sort of thing.
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It used to be we just called them witches and burned them, you know?
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A simpler time for these assholes.
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Now, what's interesting is that Leo's first wife was Muslim.
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In fact, he repeatedly insists that she is a direct descendant of Muhammad.
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And you know what else?
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At that time, Leo was Muslim as well.
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In a message board post...
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What?
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Yeah.
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What?
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In a message board post, Leo wrote that his wife, quote,
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"...started to say to me that I should stop immediately my Illuminati confessions on the
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net and convert to a strict and more fundamentalist view of Islam, otherwise she will leave me.
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That was obviously a brainwashing imposition for me, and I couldn't accept such a proposal."
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Okay.
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Okay.
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All right.
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I'm riveted, first off.
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This goes so many different places.
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I have no idea what's going to happen next.
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So Leo would go on to later claim that he converted to Islam to infiltrate the religion,
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and he became a Muslim, quote,
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"...during an Illuminati ritual he made in Egypt under the Great Pyramid of Giza."
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That's how you become a Muslim?
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Apparently, yeah.
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By an Illuminati religion?
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Yeah, apparently so.
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Okay, okay.
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So he even had a Muslim alias, Khalid Saifullah Khan.
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If there's one thing that you learn about Leo Zagami when you look into him,
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you learn this very quickly, it's that he is a dude who has used a lot of different
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names in his career, which most normal people don't do, generally.
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That's because most normal people don't like to have a good time, Dan.
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That's why they don't do it.
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So after his wife left, he miraculously realized that the version of Islam that she followed was
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actually a form of New World Order brainwashing and represented a system that was afraid of Leo's
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life's work.
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Right, but wasn't he inducted into that same religion through the Illuminati?
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Don't worry about trying to make this make sense.
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Okay, you're right, I apologize.
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That was on me, that was on me.
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There are going to be a lot of similar problems with this.
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Okay.
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So because his wife was involved with this New World Order brainwashing that was afraid of him,
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Leo was punished by having his marriage broken up and having his child taken from him.
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Awful.
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Now, from what I know about Leo, and from what we can learn about him,
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and what we will learn about him today, I don't believe this angle.
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I think he's a maniacal shithead who, if not directly abusive, is someone who you might
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want to divorce from if you find yourself accidentally married to him.
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Yeah.
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From his account of what happened, quote,
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In any case, after two weeks of not seeing my son Isaac, I tried to put pressure on the
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religious movement of my wife in order to show me my son again.
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But instead, at 9 30 p.m. on the 4th of March, two policemen and a policewoman came to my house
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and arrest me, so I spent 12 hours in a cold prison cell.
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So to translate, Leo was harassing his wife, and she called the police,
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and they responded appropriately.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah.
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While Leo was in prison for that difficult 12 hours,
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he had a breakthrough when he met with a priest.
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He found the strength to tell the priest about his, quote,
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Forced conversion into Islam to please my wife's family,
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and the way they sold me out to the authorities, as only a true Judas could do.
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Yes, my wife sold me to my worst enemy, the Norwegian Freemasons.
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So the conversion to Islam was both forced by his wife and an intentional plan to infiltrate
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the religion.
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I got it.
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Okay, whatever.
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His greatest enemy is the Norwegian Masons?
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The Freemasons, of course.
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That is a fucking serious, specific, and esoteric grudge to hold forever.
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That's fun.
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Yep.
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Conveniently, when he was arrested for that 12 hours, the Jesuit Freemason Norwegian police
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confiscated his computers, which is where he kept all the proof about all the stories
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he tells about bigwigs and Illuminati.
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It is so amazing how all of his proof is just gone.
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And you know what?
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There are so many people who were in the CIA, and everybody that you would ask about it
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is dead.
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It's unfortunate how this happens so frequently, Dan.
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Yep.
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This is another essential piece of this hero's journey that he has.
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This tragedy that makes him unable to unequivocally prove his point to the masses.
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If his wife hadn't been brainwashed into filing false charges against him, he never would
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have had his computers seized, and he would still have all the proof he needs to take
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down the global satanic conspiracy.
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But now he just has to be totally right about everything, and everyone just looks at him
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like he's a madman.
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Right.
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Spoiler alert.
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He is a madman.
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Yeah, that does...
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So far, we're not getting a lot of...
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I would say there are a lot of red flags for madman coming up, you know?
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You have no idea where this is going.
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Leo's message board post continues.
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Quote, from the 5th of March, 2008, I'm officially a Christian again, as my sufferance has made
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me realize that.
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He is our only savior, and Muhammad is a false prophet whose descendants are involved in
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Satanism and the New World Order.
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So Leo left Islam and rejoined Christianity in 2008.
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But guess what, Jordan?
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That isn't the only thing he rejoined.
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According to his telling of it, he also rejoined the Illuminati.
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I really feel like they don't allow that.
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I'm just gonna say, I imagine, and that's just me, that somebody higher up in the Illuminati
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is like, no take backs.
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He can't tease this guy.
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Exactly.
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He stole all of our private information, and now we're just gonna be like, cool, come on
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back.
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I will say that it does work this way when you're making it up.
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Yes, that's true.
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That's true.
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That is helpful.
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So Leo claimed in May 2008 that he, quote, personally controls major parts of the Illuminati,
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but he was now using his influence in the organization for good.
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As you've already pointed out, this makes no sense.
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He claimed that he was protected by a 12,000-man strong paramilitary group called the Green
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Lions Security Team.
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Interestingly, lion being his maternal last name.
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Of course.
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There is no evidence that this group exists.
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Apparently, rejoining the Illuminati didn't protect Leo from legal trouble.
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Oh, but it seems like it would have to.
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Seems like it should.
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The Illuminati run everything.
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He's got 12,000 dudes protecting him, and nobody can get assault charges dropped?
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According to his own book, Confessions of an Illuminati Volume 2, he was arrested in
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July 2008 when he arrived at a courthouse for a child custody hearing.
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Apparently, he had recently appeared on an internet conspiracy show, and, quote, in a
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typical Italian act of bravado, he not only threatened to kill the Norwegian Prime Minister
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Jens Stoltenberg, but also had threatened to bring down the buildings of government
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and parliament in Norway.
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Right, right, right, right.
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That is in his own book.
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Yeah, that's probably a crime.
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And his defense that he offers towards this clear terrorist threat that he made wasn't
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to say that he never said those things, but he says, quote, he had not been serious about
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the death threats.
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It is the Italian way of expressing strong emotion through strong words.
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All right, all right, okay, all right.
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Yes, I threatened to kill him.
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I was Italian at the time.
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I was being Italian, hey!
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Bad excuse for terrorist threats towards the prime minister.
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Okay.
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Leo was lucky to walk away without facing any charges or jail time from that, but I
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would say that the experience probably didn't do much to help his already enormous persecution
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complex and tendencies towards grandiosity.
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He continued unabated, pretending that he was in charge of a large portion of the Illuminati.
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Not one to let this craziness cool down to room temperature, Leo Zagami made another
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interesting religious conversion in 2009.
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Shinto.
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No.
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Oh.
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As he declared, quote, I announce the new religion for 2012, matrixism.
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Yes, matrixism is the official religion of my ordo illuminatorum universalis.
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Nothing else will be tolerated amongst true illuminated beings of light working for the
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science of God and the kingdom of God in 2019.
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I've only got one thing to say to that, Dan.
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Whoa.
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There's a pretty consistent thread through his work that the kingdom of God is going
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to be started in 2019, which makes it particularly upsetting to have him now in 2019 popping
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champagne with Alex Jones as they celebrate Trump's 4th of July speech.
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Matrixism was a religion created by anonymous individuals online in 2004, right after the
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release of the third Matrix movie.
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Leo would later go on to imply that he was involved in the creation of the religion,
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which might be true.
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Since the founders were anonymous, I can't really confirm or deny it.
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What I can confirm is that creating a religion based on a movie does seem to be squarely
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in the category of things I would believe Leo's Agami could have done first in his life.
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For sure.
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And it makes me very sad.
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It's so sad.
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You know what?
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It's like the people who got really depressed after Avatar.
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Yeah.
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Because they could never live in Pandora.
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Yeah.
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That's what I think of.
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It's like, yeah, you know, you could just feel things.
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Yeah.
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When are we going to get judges to understand who's dangerous and who isn't, to the point
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where we can get them to...
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James O'Keefe, massively dangerous.
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Somebody who does, somebody who fucking steals something from a goddamn 7-Eleven, not dangerous.
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Leo's Agami, ruining thousands upon thousands of lives.
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I don't know if he's ruining thousands, but he has a really insidious influence.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Time.
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Time.
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Time.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Get him in there, man.
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It's very weird how he's eluded, first of all, just outright exposure and also prison
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time in his life.
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So you could say that at this point, in 2009, when he has announced that Matrixism is the
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official religion of his world, Leo was fully back on his bullshit.
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He had a fake faction of the Illuminati he was now in charge of, and segments of the
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conspiracy world that had previously promoted him and raised his profile were kind of forced
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to go along with his new developments or risk having to admit that they've been fooled by
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a narcissistic weirdo just because he had an Italian accent.
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God, that's such a good scam.
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He has them trapped.
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Yeah.
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They can't say like, oh, this guy's full of shit because they promoted him as an Illuminati
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insider and have based tons of their beliefs on him.
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Right.
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So Leo continued to peddle his Illuminati nonsense, giving speeches here and there.
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But honestly, his trail runs a little bit cold for a while.
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Between 2009 and 2011, I'm not really sure what he was up to.
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But then in December 2011, he was arrested.
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I have literally no idea what he was arrested for, but I have to assume it has something
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to do with being a dick in public.
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Yes.
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When he was in a processing room, he gave a cameraman a little interview that illustrates
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the mindset that he was in at the time.
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And we are now going to listen.
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Oh, we got it?
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Oh, shit, yes.
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In this first clip, Leo talks about how he was arrested and then talks about what's going
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to happen on December 21st, 2012, because Leo Zagami was very into 2012.
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I will talk English so my English listeners understand better.
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I was arrested last night here in Italy for saying that the Italian government is a government
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of criminals, that the bourgeois have stolen everything, and us aristocrats are now living
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a miserable life, but also the poor people are living a miserable life because the order
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of things has been changed.
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But we know that on the 21st of December, 2012, there will be a new world order and
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a new sacred Roman Empire, which is the old sacred Roman Empire, rising again with an
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emperor, which is the prince of Santeria here for you, barone of the Roman Emperor, and
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basically, I will be elevated to the ranks of Emperor.
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So, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on, hold on.
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New Holy Roman Empire, which is actually the same Holy Roman Empire, and it just so happens
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that Leo Zagami will be elevated to Emperor of the World.
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On December 21st, 2012, Leo Zagami will become the Emperor of the new Holy Roman Empire,
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which is the new world order, which will take over.
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Right.
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Yes.
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Now, instead of doing that, we know that in 2019, he is opening a bottle of champagne
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with Alex Jones.
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We do know that.
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That is a bit of a fall.
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Well, it's a bit of a drop off.
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It's a difference, certainly.
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There's a little bit of...
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So, I think that some people could say, hey, this could be a guy doing a silly Italian
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accent.
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This isn't Leo Zagami.
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Yeah.
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I watched the video.
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It is 100% Leo Zagami.
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Totally him.
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And he doesn't seem out of his mind.
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He doesn't seem like on drugs or anything like that.
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It just seems like he's frustrated, smoking a cigarette in a holding room.
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Well, I will give him this possibility, should he so want to take this out.
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It's entirely possible that he is having a full-on manic episode.
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Totally.
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And is completely delusional about that.
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Well, but the problem is that the delusions fit in with his life's work.
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Exactly.
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It just seems like a more overt explication of the things that he believes.
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Right, right, right, right.
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And one of those things is he thinks that he is literally Jesus.
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So, I am who I am.
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I am that I am.
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I change my body like I change my clothes.
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I've been here forever.
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I am the sphinx which hides at the shadow of the pyramids.
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I am that Leo, you see, at the roots of the obelisks in St. Peter's.
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It says, Leo, be cheated, the tribune, Judah, Radix, David.
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And so, this holy grail has been preserved in my family for centuries.
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They were into the Leone family of Rome, then went to Scotland.
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But that's why the lion is the alchemical symbol that hides the blood line of Jesus.
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So, the Merovingian is all rubbish.
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The true bloodline of Jesus is that it's been preserved in the lion family in Scotland,
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which is all connected to the English royal family.
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The British Empire has this great opportunity of having the royal blood of David, King David.
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I have been now recognized by the Jews as the Messiah, as the OSHA, as a...
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Obviously, for them it was a shock because a lot of them consider me a goy, an impure,
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because I'm so mixed.
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But I am that Messiah.
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What can I do?
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What can I do?
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What can I do?
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What can I do?
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What can I do?
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Look, when you're the Messiah, what do you got to do?
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Very interesting that Alex doesn't bring up this sort of thing.
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Like, hey, you remember a couple years back and you said you were Jesus?
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Do you want to maybe make a clarification for our audience about like,
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I didn't mean that or something?
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Or, I did mean that.
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Right.
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Now, that would be difficult, I think, for Alex to be like,
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our next guest, Leo Zagami, has said he's Jesus in the past.
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And that the Jews have admitted as such, which was surprising.
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Yeah, it would be surprising for the Jews to admit that he is the Messiah.
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It would be tough.
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I would be surprised if Bibi Netanyahu was like, guys, we gotta, look, we gotta do it.
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I, look, I'm as shocked as you.
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Check this guy out, though.
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Yeah, no, he's Italian.
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I mean, it's crazy, but he's the fucking Messiah.
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I don't want it to be true anymore than you do, but what are we going to do?
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Hey, what are you going to do?
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He's Jesus.
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This next clip, put your mic down for, because if you thought that the revelation
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that he is Jesus is shocking, this next clip is so much more shocking.
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We are also working with the Muslim brothers.
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I am Jesus, but we have also the Mahdi.
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And who is the Mahdi?
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The Mahdi is Osama bin Laden.
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So with M'lai-Rahmani-Rahim and Shatani-Rahim,
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because we are against Satan, both me and Osama bin Laden.
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And I was the one who signed the order, which was given to Commandant
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George Hugo Balestrieri to bring down the Twin Towers.
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So it's my sole responsibility.
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But when you will understand the full picture in 2012, you will thank me for it.
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Trust me, my friends.
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So Leo Zagami did 9-11.
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That is one claim I would never have guessed.
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I would never have guessed that I am Jesus would be followed up with,
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I'm working with Osama bin Laden and I ordered 9-11.
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No, no, no.
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I have the sole responsibility for 9-11.
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So that's tough.
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Now that's fun.
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That's tough for Alex, I assume that gets George Bush off the hook.
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Leo, before we continue real quick, I just want to say thanks for 9-11.
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That was great.
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Yeah, that's strange.
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And again, the thing that I want to point out is that I've listened to a ton of
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Leo Zagami interviews and the way he's speaking is not out of order.
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It's not out of the norm.
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One of the things that I've noticed with you,
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when you have more manic times, your manner of speaking is a little bit different.
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There's more pressure behind the speech.
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You speak quicker.
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Absolutely.
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And I think that's pretty indicative of people whenever they're in those episodes
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or in those states.
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This is very normal.
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This is relaxed almost.
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This is normal speech patterns for Leo Zagami and all the interviews that I've seen of his.
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So like, I don't know, I don't think that this is necessarily indicative of some sort
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of a break with reality as much as it is like, I got arrested, I shouldn't be arrested,
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I'm Jesus.
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It's exasperation more than a break.
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This sounds almost like if Robert Evans from The Kid Stays in the Picture was just a little
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bit less, just a little bit more drunk when he was given those interviews.
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He'd be like, yeah, that does sound like you.
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Robert Evans, you probably think you were Jesus while you're producing Rosemary's Baby.
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So he did 9-11.
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He's Jesus.
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He's working with Osama bin Laden.
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And the Jews accepted that he was Jesus.
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And they're not the only ones.
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We're going to learn later that some other group has accepted him as the Messiah.
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But we'll get to that in a moment.
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In this next clip, he makes it clear that once he ascends, democracy is going to be gone.
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And that Christianity will be outlawed.
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So within 10 years of 2011, Matrixism will be the only religion that's allowed, which
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implies very strongly that Christianity will be outlawed.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It won't be allowed.
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Which I think Alex should be very against.
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This is a guy who's legitimately saying he wants to get rid of Christianity in favor
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of a novelty religion he has allegedly created about a movie.
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And not just that, but he did it in the best possible way.
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What?
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Really?
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I'm Neo, I'm Leo, and Christianity is going to be abolished.
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I'm Neo, I'm Leo.
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And I'm not going to put up with it.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So in Leo's conception, oh, also, I mean, in there, he's saying that we allowed you
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to have democracy, but we're here to bring you back to reality.
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Right, right, right.
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Get back in.
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We are the aristocrats.
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We are in charge.
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Gotta be.
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Chicken is something Alex should be staunchly against.
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You would think.
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So his conception, Leo, is that in 2012, he will ascend to the role of emperor of the
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New Holy Roman Empire.
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Of course.
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As Jesus, and somehow I guess 9-11 was part of that, setting the stage for it.
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Yeah.
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You'll see in 2012.
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I don't.
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We're past it now, and I don't see it.
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No, I think you'll see in 2012.
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I think you'll see in 2012.
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I don't think the world has thanked him for it.
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I think you'll see that everybody is like, thanks, Leo.
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Leo, we didn't see your logic, your strategy.
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Yeah.
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Man, when we're wrong, we can admit it.
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What a dick.
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Oh, man.
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So, but his conception is that that's going to happen in 2012, and then for seven years,
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between 2012 and 2019, there will be a period of tribulation.
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Sure.
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And it'll resolve in 2019, but he's not really clear about what the resolution implies, but
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there's one thing that is true, and he does say, and that is that if you don't follow
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him, you will die.
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Oh, okay.
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But in the meantime, we will suffer terrible consequences from 2012 to 2019.
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The seven years of tribulation will hit the world so high, hard and hard and hard, and
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only the ones who will be faithful to me will be able to enter the kingdom of God, just
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like I told you 2,000 years ago.
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So I'm not here to be crucified again or to come here and say, hi, I'm Jesus.
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And then, you know what happens?
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Then they will just literally not believe me.
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So I had to bring these proofs to the Vatican, and the Vatican has finally accepted that
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I am that Messiah, because I showed them the codes that were hidden inside the Vatican,
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that only the real Jesus could have.
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So I leave it to you to decide if I'm the Messiah or not.
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I've decided you're not.
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Only the real Jesus would have the codes in the Vatican.
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Uh-huh, uh-huh.
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Right, right, right.
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So Jesus was part of the Catholic Church?
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Yes.
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Like at the...
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Okay.
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And there is a padlock down there that has a really complicated code that only the real
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Jesus could unlock.
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Only the real Jesus.
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So now we've got the Jews and the Vatican have both decided that Leo, Lion, Zagami,
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Leo, Neo...
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And Osama bin Laden.
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Ooh.
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Well, they're fine that the Savior is working with Osama bin Laden, I guess.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Um, this is a tough pill to swallow.
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I like it, though.
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Yeah.
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This is what we call a big swing.
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Yes.
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So in this next clip, Leo insists that if you betray him, you will not get into heaven.
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Well, of course.
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When we came back in this life just to serve you, humanity, no one else.
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I never made any money out of what I did.
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I live in poverty myself.
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I follow the good example of Christ because Christ is me.
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Because it's in my blood.
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Because my blood is a bloodline of the holy grave.
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Don't ever forget that.
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Don't betray me.
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Otherwise, you will never enter the kingdom of God.
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That's so threatening.
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I remember a lot of the times in the Bible when Jesus was like,
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Don't you forget it.
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Yeah, don't flex on me or you're going to hell.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So in this next clip, Leo offers a little bit of insight into the nature of God.
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It turns out that God is an alien.
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And Leo is sent here to purify humanity.
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Man.
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God is man.
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Yes.
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God is man.
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But it's also God.
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And he's an alien from Sirius, the prince of Sirius.
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With my DNA, with my grail, with my genetic code, I will purify once again your race and
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lead to one thousand years of peace in a great kingdom of God.
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Thank you very much to the people of the world.
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All right.
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There's one last clip here where he just sums it up that he is working with the new world
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order and that he is God.
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Sure.
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Remember 1776.
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What?
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2012.
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The new world order is the kingdom of God.
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And that God has a name.
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Leo Lyons Agami.
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So he's God.
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Lyons Agami is God.
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All of that happened before Alex ever started having Leo on as a supposed guest in the
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Illuminati and as an insider in Vatican affairs.
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All of this, all of the things that I've told you about his past, including an interview
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that is publicly available where he declares himself the Messiah and solely responsible
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for 9-11.
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You'd think that Alex would want to ask him about how he'd taken this responsibility for
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9-11, how he declared himself the Messiah as recognized by both the Jews and the Vatican.
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Or you want to ask him about how he would propose to outlaw Christianity in favor of
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his new cult of matrixism, once the new world order, which he himself was the head of, took
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power in December 2012.
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Weirdly, none of that ever comes up on Info Wars.
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It is strange.
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Despite Leo making a bunch of appearances on Alex's show as well as being a noted guest
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on David Knight and Owen Schroyer's shows as well.
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Do they ever even talk about kung fu?
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No.
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Oh.
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I think the record clearly shows that Leo's Agami is less an expert in anything than
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he is an unhinged lunatic.
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But he is the sort of lunatic that's very useful for someone like Alex.
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A person like Leo is useful as a force of escalation.
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Any decent mainstream news outlet can tell you about the corruption at the Vatican and
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how there's a systemic problem within the Catholic Church where abuses have been covered
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up and abusers protected, and that should make you feel mad and cause you to want to
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see actions taken.
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But Leo's Agami, by pretending to be an insider, can tell Alex that the priests are actually
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abusing children because it serves the purposes of demons, which they've conjured to the
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earth using black magic.
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And you can see how these two situations imply slightly different solutions.
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That's the sort of role that Leo's Agami can play towards radicalization.
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Escalation of rhetoric is very dangerous.
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Yeah, so he's essentially acting as a protector of the Vatican in a certain sense.
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Because if you can convince enough people that the real issue is demons, they're not
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going to go to the fucking cops and say, look at this shit.
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Perhaps they're going to vote for Trump to perform an exorcism on the 4th of July.
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Yeah, I mean, perhaps unintentionally.
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I mean, it's hard to nail down exactly what is conscious and what is just kind of a byproduct
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of stupidity.
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But yeah, I mean, the direct effect of it is probably making it more difficult to treat
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the actual problems.
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Well, it's like when Alex starts talking about child trafficking and shit like that.
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Like, that's a serious issue that we should talk about.
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I mean, Tommy Robinson is a perfect example of that.
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Now, Jordan, you might remember how I told you that Leo's Agami used to go by the name
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Leo Young.
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And then until 2006 or so, when he decided to turn on the Illuminati, he'd been a DJ.
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Yes.
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Well, funny story about that.
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He's a good DJ?
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Musiclib.org still has a profile up for Leo Young.
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Oh, man, oh, man.
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There is so much more to Leo's Agami than meets the eye.
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Are we going to listen to some more music?
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I don't know.
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According to his music biography, Leo began DJing on a church radio station at the age
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of 13.
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By 1987, at the age of 17, Leo had taken his DJ skills to London, where he was a fixture
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at a bar called Legends, which, according to his bio, is a quote, celeb haunt.
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By 1988, he claims he'd reached the national finals in the prestigious DMC DJ Championships.
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This very well may be true.
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I can't find a list of that year's finalists for the Italian competition, so all I can
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say with certainty is that he didn't win.
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The experience at that contest, however, encouraged him to get more involved with the rave scene,
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where he spent the next decade.
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He claims he is quote, recognized as the man responsible for organizing Italy's first rave
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in Rome in 1989.
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While I'm not positive that history bears out that Leo's Agami organized the first rave
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in Italy, he's not making up that he was involved.
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I found a mention of him in an essay posted on the Red Bull Music Academy's website titled
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quote, the rise and fall of Roman techno 1988 to 1994.
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While there isn't much about him in the article, this is what is said.
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Quote, for all the excitement amongst these young DJs and those who history has forgotten,
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such as the notoriously wild Leo Young, around acid house techno and the soon to emerge hardcore
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breakbeat scene, the vast majority of Roman club owners and party promoters were less
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enthusiastic.
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This is an article about the rave scene, which centered more or less around drug use.
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And Leo's Agami is described as quote, notoriously wild.
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The mind reels at what he must have been up to in order to get that reputation.
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Yeah, no shit.
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So if he had done a few less drugs, maybe he could have been Giorgio instead of fucking
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the well, Jesus.
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An article about him on familyhouse.net gives some hint about that notoriously wild reputation.
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Quote, Leo is generally considered to be as mad as an upside down clown, renowned for
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a reckless penchant for ludicrous quaffering, questionable neo-pagan mystical interests,
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threatening verbal behavior, and convincingly delivered illusions to a bloodline of eccentric
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castle-dwelling Italian aristocrats.
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It seems like that was always kind of a part of his personality, where you just ramble
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about nonsense.
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Make no mistake about it, Leo's Agami, then known as Leo Young, was an active member of
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the house music scene in the late 80s, early 90s in Italy.
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He held a three-day rave called Limpero dii Sensi in 1989.
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Then by 1991, he was running a weekly club night called Uona in Rome.
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He did a 12-hour DJ set at a Berlin venue called Tracer, and he was said to be a fixture
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there between 1995 and 1996.
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He claims he was the first DJ ever to play at the Bolshoi Theater in Moscow, which I'm
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not sure is true.
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Eh.
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He claims that he gave Prodigy their first gig outside of the UK, which probably isn't
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true, but might be.
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Yeah, that's crazy.
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Yeah, it's absolutely crazy that Leo's Agami was a fucking rave DJ.
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But his bio for his DJ life kind of undercuts a lot of the claims that he makes about his
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current hustle now.
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For one, consider this line talking about how much he admires his grandmother.
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Quote, not only did she get Leo his first international DJ residency, but she also financed
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him going to learn more about recording by becoming a student of the famous London production
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duo Double Trouble.
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If he was Illuminati royalty and all that, it doesn't seem like you'd make a specific
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point of his grandmother paying for him to study with some London DJs.
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That seems kind of incongruous.
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That's the first thing that every Illuminati child is taught.
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Say it's your grandmother.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Where'd the money come from, grandma?
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Yep, yep.
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The next line is even weirder, though, talking about how when things were going well for
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him in London, quote, Unfortunately, he had to go back to Italy, where at the time you
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had to do an obligatory year of bollocks in the military before getting your passport
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back.
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If he was a member of the ruling elite bloodline and the prince of the Illuminati, you'd think
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they'd easily be able to get him out of something that trivial if it interfered so drastically
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with his life.
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Say he has a bone spur, for fuck's sake.
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Curious in its absence from this long-winded and very clearly self-written bio, which was
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penned in 2006, absent is any mention of him being a 33rd degree mason, any mention of
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any involvement with secret societies at all, any mention of the Illuminati.
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None of that is in there.
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The only time the Vatican even comes up is when he says that, quote, The Vatican boys
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weren't happy with him hosting a rave in an old church.
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If I'm being honest with you, I don't know what to make of all this.
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My mind goes back and forth between thinking that his luck had run out with the club scene
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between 2006 and 2007, and it wasn't paying the bills anymore, so he decided to rebrand.
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But then I also think it's possible that maybe he did way too many drugs, and he started
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to believe his own bullshit.
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Yeah.
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With the information available, there's no way to tell.
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All I can say is that Leo Zagami is low-key one of the most interesting people who's ever
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been on an episode of Info Wars, and all of the things that make him interesting are literally
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never brought up in any of his appearances.
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This is insane.
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Yes.
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God, that means that there was a time in Leo Zagami's life where I would have totally wanted
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to hang out with him and listen to everything he had to say.
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Absolutely.
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Until he did a little too much coke and I was bored.
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Or, yeah, I mean, who knows?
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Yeah.
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And now, let us all enjoy some of Leo Zagami's music.
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Excuse me, Leo Young's music.
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Aha.
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This song, this little sample is from a, I cannot stop listening to this song.
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It's called DJ Pimp and the Scarlet Woman.
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I preach my dear friend, you're about to receive on John Barley corn nicotine and the temptations.
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I preach my dear friend, you're about to receive on...
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Holy shit, this is actually pretty good.
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And he's adding layers after every break?
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It's not bad, Dan.
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It just goes on like that for a while.
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We don't have to listen to all four minutes of it.
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When was that recorded?
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I don't know, but it was a while back.
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Yeah.
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I, look, I, honestly, I've listened to a bit of his music and it's legitimately not bad.
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Yeah, no.
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Especially compared to music put out by other people we talk about, like Larry Nichols or
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Carrie Cassidy, like, he has some skill.
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Yeah, no, I was interested to know who, when the Chemical Brothers dropped their first tracks.
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Just a few months back, New Interplanetary Melodies, an Italian record label,
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released the fourth in their series of artist spotlight mixes.
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And it was about, quote, the legendary Leo Young.
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I've listened to the whole thing and it's pretty serviceable.
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I'm not sure any of it reaches the level of being a hit,
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but none of it is stuff that if you heard in the clubs,
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particularly like in the early 90s, you'd be yelling for them to turn off.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Leo Zagami is still an active DJ and still does gigs.
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Are you, and you're talking about now.
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Like now, like now, now.
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Like his wife posted a video of him on her YouTube channel
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four months ago promoting a gig in Russia.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Really?
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So, hmm, hmm, hmm, damn.
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Isn't this fascinating?
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That is crazy.
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Yeah, Leo Zagami is nuts.
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When I stumbled into some of this stuff, like when I was looking into his history,
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all this stuff about like, wait a second, you claim that you secretly infiltrated Islam
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and all this stuff like, I'm like, this is a fascinating story.
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And I'm like hours into this rabbit hole.
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And then I'm like, wait a second, he claimed he's a DJ.
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Is there any music available with that?
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And I'd start looking into it.
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I'm like, oh, he's not making that up.
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It was just the craziest rollercoaster ride to go down.
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That is bananas.
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Yeah.
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He is a ridiculously interesting figure whenever he's talking about his real life.
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And he's so boring when he's talking about the fake one.
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He's interesting when I'm talking about his real life.
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Fair.
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I'm not positive that I've ever heard him talk about his real life.
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That's 100% fair.
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Yeah.
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So now let's get back to Alex and Leo on Infowars and present day.
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And you can kind of tell that now Leo is into an anti-communist scam.
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Yeah.
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That's kind of the place he serves within Alex is shit.
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I mean, we are in a situation whereby the left wing has lost the plot and wants to transform
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the United States of America in a socialist slash communist country.
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And this is not America.
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Used to say a song back in the days by I remember Dave Bower and Pat Metheny.
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And definitely this is not America the way it was born.
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Okay.
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And also I added some tracks to Beverly Hills Cop 2.
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Also, I am Jesus.
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Yeah.
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By the way.
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And I did 9-11.
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Don't talk about that too much anymore, but you know.
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So what are you going to do?
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Leo is on the show and also Robert Barnes shows up.
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And Alex is clearly defensive about criticisms that Robert Barnes is on the show all the
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fucking time.
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Oh, is he?
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Yeah.
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Are there a lot of people?
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It's certainly something that we've brought up.
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Are there a lot of people criticizing him for that?
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Or is it just a very small amount?
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I don't know.
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It is yet another instance of him responding to criticisms we've made.
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Whether or not he's responding to us or not.
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It is interesting because he's a little defensive.
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You know, a lot of folks have asked me, man, Robert Barnes like on the show every week
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and like one week out of the month he's in Austin.
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Yeah, he's our chief legal counsel.
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But that's not why Bob's here all the time.
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He likes coming on the show.
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And I like Bob.
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He's my buddy.
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He's a friendly, funny guy.
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He's not Alex.
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Question answered.
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He's a funny guy and he's Alex's buddy.
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He's not your buddy, Alex.
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God, Alex just doesn't know who his friends are.
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He's got in with the wrong crowd.
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Now he's got Barnes around.
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Well, fucking Barnes.
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So in this next clip, Leo expresses that he wants to become an American and explains why.
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I want to become American because Donald J. Trump is the president.
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If it was another president, I would probably renounce this idea.
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But the fact that Donald J. Trump is the president forced me to become American because he's
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the only president in the world that is opposing globalism.
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You understand, Alex?
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He's the only one.
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What about Putin?
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What about Orban?
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What about Bolsonaro?
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What about all these other presidents that you keep talking about being the anti-globalist
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allies around the world?
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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Trump's the only one.
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And also, where the fuck does this fit into your Holy Roman Empire?
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Why do you want to become an American because Trump is president when you clearly have designs
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of world domination?
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Also, Neo-Leo, if you become an American, you realize that Trump doesn't stay president
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forever like there's going to be a different president.
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I think that they think he might.
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Yeah, I think they do, too.
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Also, I don't think Leo could become a citizen.
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You don't think so?
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Well, I mean...
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Well, he did do 9-11.
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That's going to be a problem.
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That's going to be an issue.
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I don't think that naturalization would be like, well, you know, we kind of get why you
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did it.
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After 2012, we figured it out.
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We did it for 11 years, but then we got it.
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Okay.
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I think he'd have a more difficult time than he imagines.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So in this next clip, Alex just gets back to his Trump didn't exorcism thing.
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Sure.
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And how's Leo feel about that?
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Loves it.
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We have become exceptionally evil in some respects, because with great power comes great
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responsibility.
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As Lord Acton said, power tends to corrupt.
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Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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So we've had great power.
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And so evil's come and tried to take over.
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So now we're a paradox of incredible good, innovation and love, but also incredible evil.
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And there's a fight now over the soul of America.
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And Trump, I see this as a ritual, an exorcism of the evil, of the hate of the left.
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And Trump knows it's a ritual.
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Melania knows it's a ritual.
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And as I sat there last night on that HDTV, watching her with tears in her eyes, Trump
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with tears in his eyes, I knew my gut was always right.
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The enemy's response tells you Trump's good, but this was a magic moment.
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We'll come back to you, Robert Barnes.
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So Barnes is sitting there, too.
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You catch that quote at the beginning?
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Yeah.
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The one from Spider-Man?
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Yeah.
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Lord Acton didn't say with great power comes great responsibility.
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Oh, he did?
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Uncle Ben did.
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Yeah.
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I think Alex realized in the middle of the quote that it was a Spider-Man quote.
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And he tried to save it by throwing in another quote about power afterwards that wasn't related
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to what he was already saying.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Sure.
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Lord Acton did say that.
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Lord Acton did say that.
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I wonder how he felt about far from home.
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I imagine he saw that recently.
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I bet he was furious.
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Yeah.
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Lord Acton did say that line about power corrupting, but most people don't know too much more about
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the guy.
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For instance, did you know that though he was a British politician, he was super into
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the Confederacy during the American Civil War?
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I did not know that.
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But don't worry.
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He was definitely against slavery.
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He just thought that the union, quote, treated the slave owner as an enemy and they've used
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the slave as an instrument for his destruction.
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Uh, yeah, cool.
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I'm cool with that.
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Also, did you know that Lord Acton was basically a theocrat?
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He literally said, quote, political rights proceed directly from religious duties, and
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I hold this to be the basis for liberalism.
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So he would have loved Neo-Leo Zagami.
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Probably.
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What I'm getting at is Lord Acton sucks, and Alex only quoted him because what he wanted
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to say was a Spider-Man quote, but he didn't want to look stupid in front of Barnes and
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Leo Zagami, which on its own is incredibly sad.
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Yeah, that is sad.
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That is a bummer.
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Barnes is a shitty, terrible, dumb lawyer, and Leo Zagami thinks he's Jesus.
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And you're like, and you're like, I mean, I'm giving out Spider-Man quotes.
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I think that would have, if he leaned into a Spider-Man quote, I would have considered
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him the smartest man there.
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Yeah.
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So you asked what Leo Zagami thinks about this Christian exorcism ritual thing, and
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actually we find out what he thinks in this next clip.
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And you're also an expert on the occult.
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You're a Christian, but explain, Trump no doubt did a huge Christian ritual yesterday.
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Absolutely.
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I mean, it's an Aggregor.
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Aggregor means a fourth form.
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You put together many people thinking the same thing.
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You obtain a fourth form, and that is incredibly powerful.
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So yes, he is.
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This was highest level magic.
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Absolutely.
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Not from an occult perspective.
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The devil tries to twist God's systems and put names on it.
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Listen, even churches are Aggregor.
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This is silly.
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This is completely fucking silly, quite frankly.
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Just take a step back.
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They're talking about Trump conducting a magic ritual.
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Yes.
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Like this is what they're about now.
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Right.
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This is a guy who claims that he reads all the white papers and like, I'm not into aliens
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and UFOs and stuff.
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That was his whole branding back in the day.
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Now Trump did a magic ritual.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And it's not like evil magic.
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No.
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It's an Aggregor.
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It's an Aggregor.
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Shout out to Robert Evans over at Behind the Bastards who loves Aggregor.
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So Aggregor is a word that was invented by the French poet Victor Hugo in his book The
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Legend of the Ages.
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It's a faulty transliteration of the Greek word agregoros, which loosely translates to
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watcher.
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Just because it's close to a Greek word, though, don't be mistaken.
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It was a fake word created by Victor Hugo.
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Yeah.
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Since the word's creation, it's been co-opted by a ton of occult weirdos, including Helena
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Belotsky and the Theosophical Society, and it's been adopted into all their mythologies.
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It's the same thing with Lovecraft creating the fictional book The Necronomicon, when
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then a bunch of ton of real world weirdos pretend it's a real book and a central part
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of their occult shenanigans.
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Yeah, sure, sure, sure.
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Of course.
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There's a number of definitions out there for what counts as an Aggregor, but the general
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rule is that it's a thought form that's brought into existence by the thoughts of a group
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of people.
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So, for instance, if you want to take it on a benign and very basic level, Santa Claus
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is an Aggregor.
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For the most part, the New Age and occult worlds take on it as basically just dressed
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up versions of basic self-help ideas, basically just artistic expressions used to warn people
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not to let negative thoughts consume them, lest they manifest those negative thoughts.
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Sure, sure, like the god of guilt at the end of The Long Dark Tea Time of the Soul.
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Sure.
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You have, like, tulpas that are created individually and then Aggregors are created as a group.
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There's the two different kinds of thought forms.
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And where do elementals and sex magic come in?
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They don't come into it yet.
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What?
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They're a boring cult.
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So that's sort of what you might call the mainline version of New Agey and occult nonsense,
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but that's not how everyone understands Aggregors.
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I found an interesting post about Aggregors on the blog of Nazi-friendly and explicitly
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white supremacist radio show, Red Ice Radio, where the author discusses how a listener
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named George had told him about a conversation he'd had with a, quote, heiress of a rich
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Jewish banking family who was not the Rothschild, although her family dwelled in a palace neighboring
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the Rothschilds.
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Oh, that's, like, how close do they neighbor?
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Real close.
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I think you can already tell.
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Is it like a duplex?
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I think you can tell this is not going to be good.
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It doesn't sound good.
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Quote, Leo was one of my classmates at the Geneva University, where I was studying
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psychology.
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She was an attractive blue-eyed blonde lady.
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As she was wearing a Star of David, I asked if she was a believer.
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She answered, yes and no, and then added she believed in a god of the Jews who was serving
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the Jews rather than served by them.
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I immediately asked whether she was speaking of an Aggregor.
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Her only response was yes, and she broke that conversation.
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Never again did we mention the subject.
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Also, she told Osama to do 9-11.
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The article goes on to suggest that it's very possible that the elite Jews of the past created
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an Aggregor which serves them, which explains their world domination.
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The article says, quote, this Aggregor is Lucifer, and elite Jews have made him the
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master meme of the new world order.
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The elite Jews are the communist capitalist international.
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My friend, you change a couple of words in that sentence, and you got yourself an Alex
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Jones quote.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, so that dude thinks that the ancient Jews got a genie to do their bidding.
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Well, if it was, the jinns come out of a different culture.
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No, I know.
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I was doing specifically genie and not jinn.
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You know, I was doing the Americanized, like, Aggregor, if you will, Dan.
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You have to.
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Yeah.
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You can't deviate off the past path because jinn and genie probably have different connotations
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than Aggregor.
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Yeah.
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I have to say, I strongly disagree with everything in that article, but I do admit that it is
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swinging for the fences.
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Listen to this amazing rationalization for being a bigot.
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Quote, it doesn't take a genius to recognize this Aggregor as the cause of anti-Semitism.
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Stop there, sir.
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Jewish leaders use anti-Semitism to manipulate Jews who are taught that they are reviled
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for no reason.
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You see, Jordan, anti-Semites don't hate Jews for no reason.
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It's just that they instinctually can sense the Aggregor, which is what they're really
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against.
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That is impressive rationalization.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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I mean, it does not take a genius.
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In fact, it explicitly excludes a genius believing this shit.
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So you know what's weird about this blog post other than the content?
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It was written by Leo Zagami.
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I found an identical post to this on David Duke's website.
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A closer look revealed that this article wasn't actually written by someone who worked for
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Red Ice.
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It was a reposting of an article that was originally posted on the website of a guy
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named Henry Macau, with a byline on it for Henry Macau, Ph.D.
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His Ph.D. is apparently in literature, so it's definitely a good credential for him
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to tout when publishing his rewriting of early Jewish history.
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Yeah.
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Glimpsing around Macau's site, you get a pretty good sense of what he's all about.
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His most recent post was, quote, Jews use immigration to divide and conquer.
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A quick look through his archives shows the following headlines from pretty recently.
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Quote, can a Jew identify with whites?
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Can they?
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Quote, events prove protocols of Zion authentic.
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That doesn't sound right.
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Quote, why do Jews stage hate crimes?
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You might be a redneck?
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Quote, antisemitism is often justified.
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Uh, no, I'm not.
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I don't even have anything funny to say to that one.
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And quote, I have been shut out of Twitter for a week.
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I wonder why.
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Nice punch.
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So Henry Macau runs a clearly, deeply antisemitic website where he wrote an article in 2007
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arguing that the Jewish God is an egregore that was caused to be created to destroy non-Jews,
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which was then widely circulated on very high-profile antisemitic websites and media
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outlets like Red Ice, David Duke's website.
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But why do I bring all this up?
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It can't just be because I love saying egregore, even though I do.
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And everybody else does.
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And everybody does.
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Yeah.
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In 2008, when Leo Zagami's wife left him after he went on Project Camelot, Leo reached out
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to Kerry to prove that he knew about that alleged Norwegian politician who had contacted
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her warning about Planet X.
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He was clearly looking for a rebooking on the show.
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As evidence of his claims that he knew this Norwegian politician, he provided two letters
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that he'd written and sent to two friends wherein he'd mentioned to them that he knew
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the politician.
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One of those two people was Henry Macau.
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I'll read to you now from his letter from March 13, 2008, which I'll remind you is
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after Macau wrote his article accusing the Jewish religion of being based on a communist
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egregore named Lucifer.
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Leo begins his letter, quote, Dear Henry, thank you for your continuous support, and
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please forgive me if I could not reply earlier.
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The letter is mostly about how his wife was secretly working for the Illuminati, and that's
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why she left him, and then awkwardly shoehorned into it are a couple references to this Norwegian
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politician.
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The content of the message is less important than the clear, friendly tone of it.
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He refers to Henry as my friend and dear Henry multiple times, and he ends the letter fraternally
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yours.
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Leo Zagami is listed as a source or reference in no less than 15 articles on Henry's website,
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dating back to 2007.
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The two men have a long-standing relationship, and let me put it simply, egregore is the
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word that is not a commonly used word, and Henry seems to use it in one specific way.
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Here are the headlines that come up when you search Henry Macau's website for the word
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egregore.
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Quote, Purim, Jews celebrate the slaughter of their opponents.
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Quote, Jewish shakedown of Poland de-emancipates Jews.
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Quote, Jews, the unloved people.
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And then here's another one, quote, Leo Zagami, December 12, 2012 starts seven years of tribulation.
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That article is just bullet points of a Skype conversation that Henry had with Leo, and
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it includes this passage.
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Quote, Leo mentioned the Kabbalist concept of the egregore.
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Then it says in parentheses, see Macau, the god that serves elite Jews, with a hyperlink
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to Henry Macau's article about how they created an egregore.
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All this is enough to be really fucking suspicious.
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But to add a little icing to the cake, I should tell you that Project Camelot was not the
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first high-profile interview that Leo Zagami did in his anti-Illuminati career.
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In December 2006, he appeared as a guest on Red Ice Radio, the white supremacist show
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that reposted Henry Macau's article about the Jewish god being an egregore which justifies
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anti-Semitism.
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This, Jordan, is what you call way too many red flags.
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Yeah.
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Oh, and remember that blog about Leo's wife leaving him that I mentioned earlier and told
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you to remember, the one that was written by a personal friend of his?
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That one that was called Kentroversy Papers, if you recall?
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That blog was written by a guy named Kent Daniel Bentkowski.
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Kent passed away in August 2008, and his blog is way too difficult to navigate, so I don't
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really know too much about what he's all about.
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But if you search for his name, the first thing that comes up in a Google search is
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a eulogy post for him on the website of, you guessed it, Red Ice Radio.
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Kent had been a guest on their show at least 10 times, which tells me about all you need
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to know about what he's about.
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And before anybody comes out, you know, is like, hey, Dan, you're giving Red Ice a really
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unfair shake, you know, demonizing them.
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Here's a little clip of some of their work.
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They want you, straight white guy, destitute, suffering, and then dead.
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They want your daughters brainwashed to disown you and your sons groveling at the feet of
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anti-whites.
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You know who they is.
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You know who they is.
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Awwww.
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Strangely, in that video, she doesn't explain who they is.
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She doesn't?
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She's just left to be like a, you know who we're talking about.
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Really?
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Do I?
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Yeah, you do.
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I kind of do, don't I?
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Yeah, you kind of do.
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Isn't that an issue?
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Yeah.
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So, I think that Leo, even on top of all of the interesting aspects of his life, is clearly
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involved with a lot of people who have, oh, shall we say, deeply anti-Semitic worldviews
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that they perpetuate.
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He's a dear friend of Henry Mackow's from way back.
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I don't think there's any conclusion you can draw other than some of that stuff is probably
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in his worldview.
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And when he talks about egregores on Alex's show, it's clearly, it exists in the context
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of Henry Mackow and the egregore accusation of the Jewish God being a creation out of
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the minds of elite Jews of the past in order to subjugate the world.
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You know, it makes so much sense.
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And I'd be fine with it if they weren't fucking directly contributing and expanding
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the issue, but of course these people get conned non-stop.
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You have to be really, really stupid to believe any of this shit.
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Well, Alex is being conned right now.
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Exactly.
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And if it was just Nigerian scams that they all got, like if all the dumb people were...
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Oh, it was all just financial?
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Yeah, yeah, I'd be totally fine with that.
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The problem is they're getting conned and then making more people fucking shitty.
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Right, right.
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It's a con that, in much the same way burning coal releases gases that are destructive,
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burning this sort of coal, this sort of con, the byproduct that pollutes is that other
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people become much more stupidly hateful.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that is probably a big part of what makes it so objectionable.
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Yeah, it's not the people getting conned.
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Like, I would be fine with conning these people as long as I wasn't hurting anybody, you know?
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That's why the confidence man is such an archetype in American history.
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There's something kind of enjoyable about watching someone pull off like a really good scam.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, so there's not...
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Especially when it's against a rich person or a bigot or somebody like that and you're
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like, they totally have it coming.
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I don't want them to have their money.
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Robin Hood is a hero for a reason, or he's seen as a hero for a reason.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with when you're directing it in the right
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places to a scam.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah, the part that's a problem is everything else.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So in this next clip, I think this is Barnes says some stupid shit, what a shock.
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So there was all this efforts to sort of demonize America and you get a sense for how important
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American history, American freedom, American liberty is all connected together.
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That's the reason why the president had that ritualistic celebration yesterday, did so
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celebrating our military prowess, did so celebrating the spirit of our history, did so by celebrating
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all of the heroes and patriots over time who've done extraordinary things to keep the light
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of liberty alive.
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And not only here in America, but around the world, because it's America that led the world,
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every other democratic country post-dates the American revolution in any meaningful
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manner.
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You're so fucking stupid, Barnes.
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You're so goddamn fucking stupid.
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You're so fucking stupid.
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It's not even close to true.
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But you know what's kind of interesting?
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I realized that, like, I think Barnes breathes in really loudly in between every dead space,
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so Alex can't interrupt him.
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I think that he's listened to enough of Alex's, because I've listened to a bunch of his
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appearances, and I never hear Alex interrupt him.
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And it's either a function of subservience, like Alex knows that Barnes has got something,
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or it's like he's...
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So Alex doesn't have a spot to jump in.
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So it would be way ruder for him to interrupt.
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Man, if I were Alex, I would first recognize that Barnes wasn't my buddy.
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No.
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And second, recognize that no matter how much I like Barnes, but if my lawyer was sitting
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in between two people saying that Trump just exercised literally using magic, literally,
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and I didn't say anything, I'm a bad lawyer.
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Yeah, and if you join in on it, because he does.
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Exactly.
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Now, he specifically said ritualistic and celebrating military prowess, because he was
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like, I'm not going to out-and-out sign off on...
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No, he does.
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Oh, he really does?
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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He signs off on the exorcism, bullshit.
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Really?
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But that's also because I think he doesn't want to be a lawyer anymore.
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I think that there's probably a piece of it that I've expressed that he wants to be the
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go-to lawyer for dumb shitheads settling lawsuits, because that's a cakewalk.
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But he'd also probably rather transition into this pundit role.
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Yeah.
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Because that's even easier.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Like Napolitano is so much happier not to work for a living.
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Right.
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Say what you want about it, Barnes is decent at this.
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Yeah, no, he's not bad.
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He can rattle off shit.
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That breathing has got to stop.
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Yeah.
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But the rest of it, he's serviceable in a propaganda role.
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He could hang with the Owen Schroyers and David Knights of the world easily.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So if he wanted to make that sort of a transition, I think that's what he's working towards.
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It does seem like it.
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So in this next clip, Leo Zagami talks about how he recently went to a Walmart,
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and he's bummed out about something.
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That the whole of the Hollywood apparatus still worships all these royal family,
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and every time I go in any Walmart, I see all these newspapers,
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and they only talk about the British royal families.
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How is this possible?
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Why don't you talk about the beautiful family Donald Trump had?
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So which one, buddy?
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Hey, how low priority are your problems?
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You're going to Walmart and you're mad about what's in tabloid covers?
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What are you doing?
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Yep.
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What is the point?
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What do you think?
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Tabloids still have Princess Di conspiracy theories on the cover.
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Dan, WWJD, what would Jesus be doing at a Walmart?
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Complaining about tabloids.
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Obvious.
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So in this next clip, man, this just isn't good.
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This is just bad.
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Well, I mean, the reason why Infowars is targeted is for the same reason
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that all these sort of anti-American activities are taking place
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by people like Congressman Castro,
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by people like Congresswoman Omar,
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by people like AOC.
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It's people who really don't love and believe in America
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because it's the greatest resistance to the efforts that they're trying to do.
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So Infowars is America.
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Infowars is Americana.
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Infowars is Independence Day.
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Infowars is July 4th because it reflects and represents Americana at its core,
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not just protects it, defends it as it does on a day-to-day basis.
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So, you know, Julian Castro, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar,
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they're all anti-Americans who don't love this country
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and actually working against the country.
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Now, Robert Barnes, Alex Jones, Caitlin Bennett,
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they're all what America is really about.
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And they're the ones protecting the real America.
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So let me ask you a question.
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If only there's some distinguishable trait.
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Is there certain things that both groups share that are different from each other?
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Man, you know, if there were something really easily distinguishable to tell
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between the two groups, I think that would probably make what you're saying kind of overt.
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Yeah.
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So let me ask you a question.
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Infowars is Americana.
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They are the 4th of July.
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Right.
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They are the American flag.
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Right.
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By the way, is authoritarian propaganda 101?
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Yeah, no shit.
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That sort of shit.
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That's really easy.
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We are the flag.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Let me equate what I say with the entire country's symbol.
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And the only right version of patriotism.
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Hey, guys.
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Good job.
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Yeah, it does seem like you should be disqualified from calling yourself Americana
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if you don't know American history at all.
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That is, I mean, yeah, it is a problem.
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It's definitely...
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You know, because you're saying we are the 4th of July, we are Americana,
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but you don't know what those things are.
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You're making them up.
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Right.
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It's just taking xenophobia, racism,
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hierarchical structures that are created around superficial characteristics.
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In a certain sense, that is Americana and who we are.
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Right.
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But it's definitely something that there's been a trend away from.
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Yeah.
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Whereas they believe it's what it's all about.
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Yeah, it doesn't seem like it fits within our ideals,
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or at least the ideals set forth by those brilliant founding fathers on 1812, 1944,
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when they wrote the Declaration of...
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You know, Leo Zagami signed that Declaration of Independence.
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Did he?
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No shit.
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Wait, hold on.
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Real quick question.
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Does he think that he is a reincarnated Jesus or of the bloodline of Jesus?
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It's not clear, but he literally said he is Jesus and he is the Messiah.
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Yeah, and he did say that he...
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And he's also from the bloodline.
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Right.
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So it's all of them.
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Oh, okay.
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So Barnes, like I said, I think he's strategically breathing
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in order to make it so Alex can't interrupt him.
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Right, which is a smart move on his part.
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Right.
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Gives you much more time to get your points out.
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For sure.
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But in this next clip, I think he shows his cards in terms of like,
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really wanting to stay coming on the show.
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Listen to this.
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This is pro shit.
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Barnes does his homework.
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President Trump talked about America forever, no matter what.
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And I believe what he meant was the spirit of America will be here forever.
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They can't crush it.
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They can't kill it.
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They can't destroy it.
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They can't wipe it out.
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Just as the idea of Infowars will be here forever.
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They can't crush it.
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They can't destroy it because the audience continues to support it,
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because the audience continues to believe in it,
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because the audience keeps it alive by doing things like going to Infowarsstore.com
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and supporting it in any and every possible way they can.
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That's such a smoother ad pivot.
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Wow.
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That is next level.
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That is good.
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You have to imagine Alex was sitting there like,
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my eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.
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Starts singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic.
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God, that's like the reverse of what a caller does when they open up with like,
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I do all the, I love taking your products and all that shit.
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Yeah, that's one that I do.
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Like when I was listening, I didn't even see it coming, but he snuck it in.
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That was smooth as shit.
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Yeah, so I think Barnes...
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Unapologetically.
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Barnes is knocking it out of the park.
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Good work, Barnes.
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So Alex, I mean, he's had a day here.
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He's drank some champagne.
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He's hung out with Jesus who did 9-11.
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Right.
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Also Club DJ.
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And Barnes who's trying to single white female him right now.
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There's a lot of psycho drama going on in this studio.
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A lot of people coming at him with a lot of different angles.
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It's pretty impressive.
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If I were him, I'd need a drink too.
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There are a lot of spinning plates, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So here's how he ends up finishing up the show.
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I'll be back this Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m.
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I'll be back tomorrow at noon for at least a two hour special broadcast.
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I think I'm doing more tonight.
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In fact, I'm just doing 20 hours this weekend.
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We're not giving up.
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We're dug in and we're winning, but we're gonna fight even harder now to ensure that victory.
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All right. Go do your 24 hours on air.
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You need some money.
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Yeah.
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So I mean, we come to the end of this and I will say that the difference between this
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episode and other present day episodes, I think, well, first of all, the Leo Zagami of it all.
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Perfect.
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Perfect.
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That story, we could have just done that story and I would have been like, this episode was amazing.
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The thing is, like, I think in the present day, I recognize the stakes of the things
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he's saying and they become so serious that I allow Alex to really guide what I need to cover.
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Whereas I approached this episode since the Trump is doing an exorcism in his 4th of July
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speech is so goddamn stupid.
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Right.
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That I just allowed myself to be like, now what's interesting to me here?
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How much do I know about Leo Zagami?
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Yeah.
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And it led me down these roads that are far less.
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I mean, they're disturbing in some ways, but they're less awful.
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And I think I need to carry that with me in the future.
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I think it's a lesson learned of, you know, don't shy away from the important stuff when
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Alex is being a dick about it, but also trust that there's a better story to be told somewhere
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else than where Alex is pointing.
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Right, because at this point, if we're doing another episode on him being a complete and
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utter bigot who wants to start another civil war, everybody already knows.
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Yeah, that's been a lot of episodes.
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You want to kill people, so there you go.
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But I think there is some value to keeping an eye on that as it escalates.
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But yeah, I think it's far more important to trust my instincts to know where something
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interesting could be.
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I agree.
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And find it.
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Not least of which, because you did not begin this episode with your usual exhortation of,
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you know, I hate being in the present day.
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I mean, there's still parts of it that I hate.
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Right, right, right, of course.
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But man, oh man, Leo Zagami.
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What is going on?
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Crazy, crazy stuff.
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What a life.
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Yeah.
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That is so much fun.
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You know, if he wasn't mixed up with people trying to rationalize anti-semitism and he
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didn't have complete, real dicey, dubious history in his personal life, you almost think,
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God, I want to talk to that guy.
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No, right?
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But I do not.
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No, no, I want to talk to that guy at the right point in his life.
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Definitely not now.
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That might have been 88.
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That might have been 88.
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That might have been too late.
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It was probably too late.
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He already was, quote, notoriously wild.
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Yeah, but that would have been fun.
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Yeah, maybe.
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So we'll be back on Wednesday with another episode.
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But until then, we have a website.
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We do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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That's correct.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are at knowledge underscore fight and go to bed Jordan.
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Also, people can contact you if they want more details.
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You're going to be at Zany's all this month.
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Yes, I will be Tuesday through Sunday for the next three weeks.
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Yeah, yeah.
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All the month of July.
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People can reach out to you on Twitter if they want more information.
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Yeah, please do.
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Showtime and such.
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Yeah.
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Also on Facebook.
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We are.
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Well, you can download our podcast.
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You could go to iTunes.
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Yep.
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You could go to your nearest Mariano's.
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They often play that as a music.
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Yeah, they put that in the speakers.
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There's people walking around.
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I know it's changed things a lot.
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Yeah, a lot more people are going to the bar at Mariano's now.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Other than that, let's see.
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Can't do Zagami because, you know, Lord knows he did 9-11.
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Yeah, I forgot about that part of it.
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Yeah.
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Uncle Ben.
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Uncle Ben is definitely not killed.
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That's not good, but it'll have to do.
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Yep.
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Uncle Ben from Spider-Man never killed anybody.
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But one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first name caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
