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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first name caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around,
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drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Uh huh.
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Dan?
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Yes, Jordan.
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Were you into the riot girl movement of the late 90s and early 2000s?
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I'm not, I'm not sure if I was.
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I don't know.
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Maybe I would be as an adult, but I don't think I was as a...
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I mean, what, the late 90s?
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Did you know anybody?
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I don't know, I don't think so.
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I didn't have many cool friends.
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Ah.
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I mean, I was born in what, 84?
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So I'd have been like 15, 16 in the late 90s?
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I know, I wasn't that cool.
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You weren't big into zines back then?
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Nope, I was not that cool.
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I think that probably would have been squarely around the time
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I was actually like not angry about going to church.
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You know, like I was trying to buy into it really hard.
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Right.
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So I think a lot of the zines I would have been reading were things you might find at
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Lemstone Books, the Christian bookstore in Columbia, Missouri.
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I might be reading...
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I don't think Right Girl was a...
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No, probably not.
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Gospel Tracts and Devotionals.
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Right, right.
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Morning Devotional Books and stuff like that.
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Yeah.
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I think that was more my speed at like 15, 16.
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That was not cool, man.
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I only ask because we got a very, very thought out response to our Lyme disease comment in
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the group.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Hey, we were wrong about that.
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Yeah.
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Well, the only reason that I even...
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Also, you got called up for thinking Ebony was a rock.
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I still think it's a rock.
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I swear to God.
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The only way I know Ebony is through playing games.
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Ivory is also not a rock.
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I know ivory isn't a rock.
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God damn it.
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But if Ebony isn't a rock, then how is it...
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It's a bark.
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It's kind of a tree.
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But then in Elder Scrolls...
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It does look a lot like a rock.
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But then why would they make armor out of it in...
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That is a great question.
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It's also a fictional reality with cat people.
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That's not the point.
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It is.
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It is the point.
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No, it's not.
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Anyway, back to your point.
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Oh, the only reason I even thought that Lyme disease was a thing that happened for a long
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time was because in the documentary, The Punk Singer, Kathleen Hanna, lead singer of Bikini
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Kill, LeTigre, Riot Girl extraordinaire, she was saying that the main reason that she stopped
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performing was because she had Lyme disease and it was an ongoing thing.
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And you know what, this actually brings me to the clarification I need to make from our
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last episode.
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We fucked up a bunch last episode.
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Not a ton, but I think we did not speak super clearly.
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You fucked up a couple of factual things.
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Oh man, so many.
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I think I messed up.
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I think I spoke maybe too unclearly.
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So I just want to clarify fully that any of the things that I was saying in no way should
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have been interpreted as I think it's a good idea to ever hit a kid.
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Yeah, no.
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I don't, I think I made that clear, but just in case I didn't, I want to come out full
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throatedly on that side.
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Right.
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And then secondarily, in the same way that you saw that documentary and that led you
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to believe that chronic, you know, Lyme disease was a chronic thing and all that, I too think
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I was operating off bad information of my understanding of spanking being appropriate
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in some situations according to like the American Psychological Association.
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I think I was wrong.
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I was misled probably by some interviews that I had heard in the past.
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Um, and uh, yeah.
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So sorry about that.
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You know, we make mistakes and I swear to God, Ebony is a stone.
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I swear to God, they make armor out of it in video games.
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You live and you learn.
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Uh, and that is what the show is about.
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Along with me also, uh, knowing a lot about Alex Jones and I only know what you tell me
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about Alex Jones.
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That's right.
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Jordan, today we have a really interesting episode to do and I'm excited to jump into
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it, but before we get there, we've got to give a shout out to some folks who make this
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show possible and I'd say thank you to some donors.
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So first I'd like to say, uh, Shay.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Shay.
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Thank you very much Shay.
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Next Lucas, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Lucas.
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Thanks Lucas.
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Uh, next Johnny.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you Johnny.
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Thanks Johnny.
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Next I'd like to say thank you to somebody who took their donation, bumped it up a little
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bit and we appreciate it oh so very much so Kim thank you so much you are now a globalist
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I'm a policy wonk four stars go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant someone
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someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop daddy shark
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thank you Kim thank you Kim and finally I'd like to say thank you to somebody who uh
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joined up on a little bit of an elevated level we appreciate it very much and this is exciting
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because I know I know that you really were thrilled when it turned out the the MacArthur
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Foundation uh they gave us a grant yeah they donated to the show we really appreciated that
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guess what guess who's on board now the Bilderberg group and I don't think Alex would agree with this
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they are now technocrats I'm a policy wonk four stars go home to your mother and tell her you're
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brilliant someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop daddy shark
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bam bam bam bam jar jar binks has a Caribbean black accent he's a loser little little titty
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baby I don't want to hate black people I renounce Jesus Christ thank you so much Bilderberg group
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thanks the Bilderberg group uh if you would like to support the show and what we do we would
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that says support the show and we would appreciate it absolutely and if you are any foundations or
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perhaps any of our listeners who would like to donate uh just pretend to be one of these
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foundations I want I want an laundry list of things that we can lie about uh who donates to
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knowledge fight the Bilder group Bilderberg group the MacArthur Foundation yeah we got a bunch of
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Kennedy's I'm sure someone has donated under the fake name like the Ford Foundation yeah
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positive yeah I think there's a pretty good chance I want them all yeah SPLC I want them to donate
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to us why not all of it we got the Soros is on board we got Soros Jr yeah everybody hide under
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fake names that conspiracies could be created about hell yeah um so Jordan today we are launching
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into a new era of knowledge fight that's putting it way too strongly okay um I'm do I'm starting
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a new investigation uh-huh and we are going to be covering Sandy Hook okay I've decided that based
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on the soft launch that I suggested in our Monday episode uh I decided as soon as it came out of my
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mouth that I was going to do it um and the response thanks for everybody's feedback the response in
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the group has been I have not seen this unanimous of a response since Lionel quite frankly in terms
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of people all being on the same page right everybody is very much like yes do it do it do it
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yeah so sandy sandy sandy oh no no that no that's bad you got to keep it yeah that's a good point
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so for a long time now I've wanted to dig deeper into exactly what Alex Jones was up to in the
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aftermath of the shooting spree at Sandy Hook yes I've largely avoided doing so because it seems
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horrifying you know trying to reconcile the reality of the pain that was brought into so
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many people's lives with the warped reality that will inevitably be the way that Alex covers the
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events and uses them to push his narratives ultimately I sat with those feelings and decided
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that this was something that I had to do we know that Alex told his audience that Sandy Hook was
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a fake event with actors as recently as late 2015 and that he'd been saying stuff like that for a
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while but we don't know a ton more than that for me that is unsatisfying I know that he's lying
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about how he covered the tragedy but I believe that it's in everyone's best interests for us to
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learn more so we can have a fuller understanding of why Alex is lying to cover up his past actions
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right today we're embarking on a new investigation to figure out exactly what Alex Jones did in his
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coverage of Sandy Hook there will obviously be parts of this that are going to be difficult to
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hear but I promise you that we will do our best to be respectful to everyone who merits that
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consideration who is everyone except Alex Jones pretty much in this circumstance you know it's
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fun but this is the first time that I can honestly say that Alex Jones is a bad dude but he is quite
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literally not a bad enough dude to save the president no he is not that's true in present
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day Alex is being sued by the families of the children who died at Sandy Hook on December 14th
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2012 he claims that he never said that Sandy Hook was fake and that he just had debates and looked
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at both sides of the issue we know that this is categorically not true and demonstrate we've
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demonstrated it plenty of times so that claim isn't worth our time as an investigation right
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we've already we've already done that so he's also claimed that after he heard about the shootings
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that he thought it really happened and only started questioning if it was a false flag
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after hearing about quote-unquote anomalies like the classic case of Anderson Cooper's nose
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disappearing he did a green screen interview yeah and that Alex heard about these anomalies from
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people like Wolfgang Helbig so at this point we don't really know if that claim is true
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so that's one thing we can look into right did Alex get swayed beyond that as unspecific as this
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is I want to simply observe how the narrative develops and becomes his editorial position
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at a time that he was pretty much so far under the radar that he could get away with whatever
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slander he wanted how did Alex play his hand yeah I have no idea what we're going to find but I'm as
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ready to learn that Alex was restrained in his coverage and misled by idiots as I am ready to
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learn that he was the one leading the bandwagon of dumb dumbs down a terrible road right I don't
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know we will find out as we go along we will see and I promise that I will approach this with as
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open a mind as I can as is our tradition now it's very weird I wrote out that introduction to this
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just because I wanted to be a little bit clearer than necessarily just us talking up off the dome
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in terms of like what what where we're going why I decided to jump into this because it could get
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ugly it could get really ugly well that's that's one thing that I was uh considering uh because I
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too uh saw the overwhelming positive uh do it do it response regarding sandy do it do it is just
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like I I deal with humor by or I deal with tragedy through humor entirely and I am like I really do
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not want to be disrespectful in any way and it concerns me that I'm I think that we're decent
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enough people that we intrinsically know the line of that sort of stuff well and if you pass it I'll
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call you out okay thank you but also I should say for this first episode that we're doing episode
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one of this investigation is going to just cover December 14th 2012 which is the day of the
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shooting and um I I'll say that as as soft of a caveat as this is this could have been way worse
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I don't think that the idea of us going over Alex Jones's response to sandy hook obviously brings
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up images in people's heads of something that's horrifying to listen to and like oh my god and I
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think we'll get to some of that stuff but for today it's pretty soft going so don't don't turn
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this off thinking you're going to be horrified right today maybe next week we're starting from a
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slightly lower than neutral position I suppose yeah yeah so uh here we are we're gonna start
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things off um and we will uh just jump in this is how Alex begins the show on December 14th 2012
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I did it he did not he did not confess on air uh no he did not ladies and gentlemen it is Friday
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thank you so much for joining us the 14th day of December 2012 and there is a reported school
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shooting in Connecticut one of the states that has draconian restrictions on gun ownership
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reportedly right now it looks like only the uh gunman is dead but the media will hype the living
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daylights out of this so anytime somebody goes crazy the first thing pops in their head is go to
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a victim disarmament zone a free fire zone where it's guaranteed no one is armed so within seconds
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he went to gun talk yeah within seconds of starting his show we're off to a bad start so
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the shooting at sandy hook elementary in newtown Connecticut began at 9 35 a.m and was over when
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Adam Lanza shot himself at approximately 9 40 a.m those are eastern times so it would actually be
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8 35 to 8 40 a.m in Alex's time and it's important to consider that he doesn't start his show until
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11 a.m or noon eastern time all this is to say that there were over two hours from the end of
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the shootings to when Alex got on air I know that it was a developing story but there's no reason
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for him to be so unaware of the situation um at this point in the day if he's presenting it as if
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he has an opinion on yeah if he wants to say that there's breaking news and we will cover it as
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details come in that's kind of a fairly responsible way to deal with these sorts of things um the idea
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of leading the show with it when you don't really have any information um is not good no that is a
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that is a not good thing to do but you saw exactly right there and I think it's a terrible way to
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start that it's just immediately into gun defense yep uh but also probably shouldn't surprise
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anybody I if he will later complain about liberals tweeting about gun reform of course so quick after
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the shootings when an hour earlier in his show he uh did the exact same thing it it it is
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absolutely expected but it is nevertheless disconcerting that his first response is not
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I'm thinking about children I'm thinking about the dead his first response is that's I'm thinking
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about guns see but that's unfair right now because you as you heard there the information that Alex
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is operating off of now whether he should have had better information or not is another question
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but the information he's operating off of is just the gunman is down he is not he doesn't know that
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all these kids got killed okay he is operate and I don't believe that this is the first time that
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the information came out but on that day at 140 eastern time the police gave a press conference
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where they confirmed a lot of details and stuff like that yeah which is in the middle of Alex's
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show but I think that as I recall reporting was coming out that he maybe should have been aware
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that this wasn't a situation where just a gunman uh was down and no other fatalities yeah but that
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is the story as he's presenting at the at the beginning of the show right so it's kind of fair
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to look at it and be like okay if you think that that's the story I understand why you can then
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do a regular show giving him the benefit of the doubt he thinks the story is a kid showed up to
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school maybe fired shots into the wall or a security officer yeah shot him before he was able
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to kill anybody right it's possible we'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one I have to
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if only because that's how he's presenting the story exactly so I'm I'm cool with that so he
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gets to the big news of the day because he doesn't think that this is that big of a deal yet well but
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even then a kid shot himself in the head that's a big deal it's a big deal but for Alex's purposes
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uh it's not as big a deal as uh Jim Tucker told him something oh great uh also uh obviously the
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big news and Kurt Nemo has a story uh from our source Jim Tucker up at infowars.com trilateral
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let's discuss big war in the middle east as Obama sends soldiers to Turkey okay so Jim Tucker the
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guy who writes for the uh spotlight and American free press right by Willis Carto the Nazi the Nazi
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uh has told Jim Tucker the Nazi has told him that Obama is going to move troops into Turkey and uh
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start a war with Turkey that doesn't have something to do with Benghazi I'm not entirely sure what
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Alex's entire angle has something to do with Benghazi well Benghazi it happened a couple
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months before this so like there's there's some lingering stuff with that in Jim Tucker's story
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okay because like uh Alex doesn't really get a chance to flesh out that story I don't really
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know what he was talking about and I'm not going to look for Jim Tucker's primary reporter oh you
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don't want to know what Jim Tucker had to say not entirely I bet it was accurate so Alex is
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he's teasing that he's going to get to this Jim Tucker story about Obama going into Turkey and
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what have you um uh but he also starts getting kind of weird at the beginning of this show he
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gets very introspective and starts talking about how he's starting to experience new emotions
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there are competing forces is the best way to say it there are competing forces in this world and
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I will say that I have taken the red pill uh to quite an extent you know you think you are
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enlightened you think you're informed then you just learn even more and the rabbit hole goes
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a lot of people that much deeper and it is extremely sobering and also uh extremely
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painful isn't even the word I am now experiencing thought processes
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and understandings that are giving me emotions that I've never felt before this is strictly in
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in the context of him like saying that I'm aware of so much yeah I am I have become like it's not
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it's not it's service of of anything real it's just talking about you it's almost like you think
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you're red pilled I have new emotions yeah I don't know what that I don't know what that means it's
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very true emotions I'm not sure but he does start to describe what it I felt malaise that's not new
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I feel that a lot for him it might be new uh oh we uh so I felt an esprit de corps uh he hates the
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French never say that so he uh he doesn't actually talk about what these new emotions are necessarily
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but he does talk about how it feels which I find very interesting uh this is a very interesting
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uh this is upsetting on some levels but I also don't really believe him I think this is just
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grandiose talk but uh it's still not not fun to hear the closest this feeling that is more and
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more dominating me the closest I can describe it is for the few times I've been really hurt bad
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out in the middle of nowhere and a and a limb is broken or a fingers chopped off or
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or or you're helping friends that are mangled
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is that cold focused understanding
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of we got to do something about this we've got to we've got to just hold it together and stay
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focused and and and and there's going to be a lot at the end of the tunnel so I find it incredibly
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interesting to hear Alex describe how he's feeling in late 2012 because what he's describing is not
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some heightened level of focus that legitimately sounds like a medical condition now obviously he's
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just exaggerating to make himself sound like he's tapped into some kind of cosmic understanding
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but for fun I'm gonna pretend he's actually talking to a doctor about what he's experiencing
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and I'm gonna play a differential game and diagnose him I was I was thinking that I would
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uh he was talking about him being uh Joby in sometimes a great notion and slowly drowning
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to death as he laughs there's similarities so what Alex is clearly expressing is an adrenal condition
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uh he says the best way to describe what he's feeling is uh what he's this thing that he says
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is dominating him is to compare it to times he's been very hurt or times he's seen someone else
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mangled in those situations your body is flooded with adrenaline which is part of the fight or
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flight reaction that you have everything he's describing perfectly fits with talking about
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adrenaline and it would make sense that what he's actually talking about is having a condition where
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his body is unable to control its production and release of adrenaline so if that were the case
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what symptoms would you expect to see one possible cause of elevated adrenaline levels is the adrenal
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gland condition Cushing syndrome along with excess adrenaline what else would you expect to see with
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someone with that condition uh if it was Peter Cushing syndrome then I would expect him to be uh
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trying to destroy different syndrome different syndrome okay so let me read you a list of
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symptoms from Johns Hopkins Medical School's Cushing uh syndrome profile see if you think
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any of this sounds like Alex upper body obesity round face high blood pressure okay irritability
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right anxiety reduced libido and sex drive in men why do you think he starts selling all those
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products the desire to destroy alderon increased fat around neck he constantly talks about how
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huge his neck can't be real this can't be real that's one of the symptoms of Cushing syndrome
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so he just has a laundry list of oh man obviously I don't think Alex has Cushing syndrome I'm just
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doing this I kind of do I'm just doing this to play games with his words he wants to talk about
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how his elevated state of red pillaredness is that he's achieved uh this you know it grants
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him some vague status uh that's uh that is not clearly defined but it's definitely above his
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audience yeah that's the way he's trying to use his language but in reality it's just as easy to
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take what he's describing and say that he needs to go to the fucking doctor I don't believe any
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of the things that I just said uh are uh appropriate or anything like that I'm just having
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fun uh but I do think you still should go get a hormone panel just in case yeah Alex talk to your
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doctor about Cushing syndrome that's all I'm saying you should go get checked out I'm sure
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he has yeah quite frankly um so anyway all that aside we also know that Alex has a trouble with
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reading um and I don't know is that also part of Cushing syndrome I don't know I don't think so
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although I mean if you have heightened adrenaline levels and you had like this panic response all
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the time it'd be very hard to read something yeah it would be hard to focus on reading is a very
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patience-based activity yeah um so that could explain some of it but let's leave that aside
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yeah it's hard to hulk out and read a book that's true uh but Alex in this next clip starts talking
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about how he reads things and I think if you listen carefully you'll get a glimpse of exactly
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why he he has a bad process I look at the general public now and they're like children little
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spoiled arrogant but really scared children once you figure out globalist manipulations
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I can read a book put out by the globalist to promote something they're doing and before I turn
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the page I know what it's going to say because I've heard them say it a thousand times a hundred
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different ways and you're like oh I'm going to turn the page and I know exactly what they're
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going to say and then I'm going to turn the next page and I know not the plot that's easy to guess
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I know what they're going to impart Alex is writing while he's reading basically yeah he's
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reading stuff and he's like I bet I know what they're going to say he turns the page if it says
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what he thinks he they're going to say then he confirms ah I know exactly what they're going to
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say if it says something different he's probably going to be like well what they mean is what I
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was thinking exactly as we've seen so many times by looking at his primary sources that don't say
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what he he pretends they say I mean it has to be that has to be what that process he's describing
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is yeah that makes sense I self-confirm with things exactly what I expect them to say and then
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I use it as evidence that I'm right right and if I'm wrong I use that as evidence that I'm right
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if I turn the page and it doesn't say what I think it says well I I think it says this so it probably
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does I'll say that it always doesn't say what he thinks it says from my experience I'm willing to
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bet that there is one example somewhere of something that Alex like some primary source
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that he's not misusing yeah I'm certain it's there but I don't think I found one I wish he
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was in a book club because I would sit like if he was just reading like just like a thousand years
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of solitude yeah yeah if he was just reading one of those books and discussing it in this round
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table at a fucking library god that would be amazing what do you even think it says
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just takes me back to like workshops in college and English classes oh yeah if he was in there
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it'd be brutal oh man I had some poetry oh not good no good so like I said Alex still uh thinks
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that this is no big deal sandy hook uh he has he has no real concern in talking about it he
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just wants to talk about how he has new emotions right um and uh that uh you know we got uh Jim
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Tucker with his news and what have you at this point in the show Alex finds out that sandy hook
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is way worse than he thought so at the beginning of the episode like I said you can give him the
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benefit of the doubt that he thinks it was a foiled shooting or something like that yeah so we can
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give him a pass on not knowing a lot of the details but by this point in this next clip
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Alex knows for a fact that children were killed at that school and here is him dealing with that news
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it's amazing by the way we got some bad news and they were first reporting that they'd shot the
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uh shooter uh and now it looks like at least one child killed and some others wounded uh and the
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shooter is the father of the student you know I like Christmas trees and I like Christmas but I
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don't like the big commercial stress and everybody's so stressed out I can just feel the bad vibes
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during the holidays 27 dead okay this is and oh my god and you notice that CBS news you notice
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they kept this you notice they kept this quiet for a long time with it cordoned off always a
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bad sign like Columbine if that CBS news headline is right um you notice this is happening right as
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the second term comes in and Obama has said even if congress doesn't act he's going to physically
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try to take all handguns and rifles and they're saying that this is uh handguns holy Toledo so
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you hear there he immediately starts day one day one I mean he's not saying it's fake but literally
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everything he says after learning about the reality of this tragedy is to reinforce future
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narratives that he's going to push about it being fake yeah so when I set out to do this
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investigation investigation closed I thought it would take us more than 35 minutes to find him
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implying that it was really fast well because at the beginning the first clip you could go on that
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but you have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he thought it was a different situation than
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it was now that the reality has come to bear and he realizes there are a bunch of kids that got
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shot in this he still doesn't have any of the real facts he thinks it was the dad uh and and it was
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uh one student at first and then a second later he's like oh my god it's a lot more kids yeah
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but he all that is all all that is him comparing it to Columbine because he thinks Columbine was
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a fake false flag right and then talking about the timing of this Obama's second term and he's
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trying to take the guns exactly all that does is serve his interest in pushing the idea that it's
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fake this isn't this isn't a fair uh like way to cover the news it is not the act of somebody who
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is interested in hearing both sides it's someone who's hoping praying that the reality ends up
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matching the story he wants to tell right because you can see that wasn't prepared that was his
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immediate instinctual reaction was to try and find ways to talk about this that are conspiratorial
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yeah he was not he didn't come out and say sandy hook is a false flag but he was he was 85 percent
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inclined to say that there were every inclination every like little thing there is just like oh CBS
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took too long to report it that's a bad sign yeah oh do you mean report things responsibly in a in
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in concert with the cops instead of just randomly saying that it was some asshole getting a whole
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large amount of people to go fucking uh grab torches and pitchforks towards the wrong guy
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no they waited until they could report responsibly unlike you you fucking moron and and as we'll see
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as this episode goes on and more unverified news things come out those are the sorts of things as
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they come out that alex uses to point out like they covered this up later yeah like the idea
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that there was talk of a possibility of a second shooter yeah that comes out later as alex is on
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air and that will be something that in the future he uses as like they said that there were two
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shooters and then they covered it up when in reality that was just reflecting the fact that
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there was a police uh like uh walkie-talkie communication or whatever telling people to be
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cautious of the idea that there could be two shooters yeah and the fact that someone was
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arrested in the woods behind yeah the school who was unrelated to uh the shooting it was just
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coincidental but yeah and and so there is like there are those things that get misreported
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in the fog of a crisis yeah absolutely and so the idea that cbs didn't necessarily report this stuff
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until a couple hours after it's it's responsible reporting well will you see that cbs didn't
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speculate wildly for a good two hours so that's a bad sign it's probably a false flag probably
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so in this next clip alex talks about how he's had a premonition that something is coming
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and he has for a while i was gonna say do you mean the summer of rage literally every year
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since he's been born or anything he talks about quite frankly and i told my wife this morning i
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said i'm feeling so much dread i said i have never felt in my gut in my spirit you put that
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back on screen please i want to read that to people and they are really going to use this
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and i'm sure they'll be the usual signs that it may be staged if not it's been copycat promoted
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by the media and then the galby on prozac or one of those derivatives so he's very quick to uh
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you know offer up it may be staged as one of his his possible roads that we're going to be going
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down it's quick it's quick with no information to just be like hey this could be staged and even if
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it's not it's probably some prozac head who got uh copycatted into it or something i know i know
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you okay so you've cut clips uh and i i just need to confirm at no point did he even take a second
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to be like i mean even the fake republican thoughts and prayers did he even bother with
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the the bullshit platitudes that these guys who secretly think the same thing that alex is
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thinking which is oh no they're gonna try and take guns away we better say thoughts and prayers in
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order to avoid it that's an interesting question and i wish that i had pulled more clips of stuff
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like that because i didn't we ended up having we got 34 clips here oh boy we're gonna be here for
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the important to talk about yeah and no there's no real moment where he shows genuine care for
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the people who are the victims of this outside of crocodile tears like on the verge of his fake
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crying voice uh-huh but it's always talking about how they're going to take the guns and this is
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going to cause a civil war he does talk about oh this is so bad right in unspecific ways and then
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there's one point in the episode where he talks about thinking about these kids and he's seen
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like pictures from the school from like a month ago or something like that someone posted and the
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only way he can even emotionally connect to it is thinking about his own daughter so if that's what
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it takes you to get there fine but there's an there is a complete absence of uh except from
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people who aren't named alex on this show yeah a couple there's a guest that comes up and uh at
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least one caller who expressed like uh i can't imagine what these people are going through that
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sort of thing but from alex there's very very little of that yeah there is another thing
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uh but we'll get to it later that i don't have clips of but i expected that i just wanted i
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just wanted it confirmed so nobody thought that it was like oh we're only cutting the clips that
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make him look like the complete and utter monster he is and that it was like it's literally his
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first response is never i'm sorry or i hope that this isn't you know clip isn't like edited in any
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way except for a start and end point that one where he learns of what the tragedy is you saw
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what his immediate reaction was exactly so i think that pretty accurately describes how most of the
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show is right i think that immediate reaction tells you almost everything you need to know
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right there are semblances of humanity throughout but never anything that i would put in the
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category of a human response yeah there's nothing that is like recognition of these are elementary
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students who were murdered in cold blood yeah and their parents are dealing with it yeah and
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that's not to say that he's not addressing that because he thinks it's fake or anything like that
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we can't make that determination yet huh it's just that that's not part of his algebra yeah on it
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it's not part of the equation one of his new emotions should really have been empathy that
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would have been great forgot about the new emotion yeah yeah one of it one of the emotions he'll
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never uh feel his empathy inside out jesus check in on some of those old emotions
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yeah it's tough it's real tough oh man if only he had lewis black screaming in his ear so after
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the parkland shooting last year uh one of the things that the right wing uh bandied about was
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these teachers should be armed and interesting hallux was uh way ahead of the curve on that
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after sandy hook that was his prescription uh into uh what should have happened it was an
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orderly evacuation given the circumstances why didn't somebody have a gun
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in the school why don't they arm the teachers nope the gunman always go to the victim disarmament
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zone they're going to come after our guns folks get ready stay with us that i think is exactly
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what alex would want all of his response to have been because that is as as awful as it is
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that's something i think he could be defensible about because every the everyone in this room
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the everyone else in the right wing now in response to parkland is saying very similar
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things yeah and if alex's take on it was this is a real event i'm worried about the idea that
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they'll take my guns because of it that's not as monstrous as saying it didn't happen or his actors
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are staged or anything like that so i think that he would want that to be just it and unfortunately
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even on this episode it's not we've already heard him speculate that it's staged yeah
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you've already heard him introduce kernels of a narrative that he's going to water his seeds to
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pl to grow into a yeah an ebony tree god damn you i'm i feel so stupid uh it's all right i can't
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imagine how that one massive blind spot i mean it has to it's entirely video games it's entirely
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video games ebony is always an important thing for armor and shit you don't need to keep to
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fucking yourself i'm so stupid i think a lot of people probably thought it was a rock as well
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um so in this next clip alex is sort of wrestling with the reality of of what's happened and you can
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you can see i think throughout this that there is a part of his brain that recognizes how horrible
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what's happening is and then another part that really really wants to say it's fake yeah and in
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this next clip he's dealing with that part of his brain that believes it was real uh but
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unfortunately all he can do with that part of his brain brain is blame other things for having caused
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this they are now saying 27 dead and including 14 children at the elementary school i know connecticut
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has some pretty strict gun laws we are just a very sick society we've aborted 50 it was 53 million
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babies now i'm always using the 50 million number it's grown and we you know make troops serve five
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six seven tours until they break down and so many people now are on prozac type drugs that they
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admit in their own trials caused a what was it in the eli lilly trials in 1980 a 15-fold increase in
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suicide that's way higher than they found but that that's much more complicated we don't have
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time to get into those eli lilly studies right um he's misrepresenting that shit pretty hard
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but you heard in there you got abortion the way we treat the troops prozac harsh gun laws in
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connecticut four culprits other than reality in what was that 40 seconds yeah of him trying to
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wrestle with this it's pretty it's pretty interesting because you can see you can see
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manipulation you can see evasiveness you can see all of it happening as he tries to figure out
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where are we going to land on this right right because it's hard if you're alex jones this is
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not the day you want to come into work for yeah you were you're wishing david knight was hosting
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that day right you know you wish you accidentally had called in sick or something like that because
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figuring out where to plant your flag is something that's always expected of him yeah because he's
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the expert he's the guy who knows how the globalists work and all that stuff so later in
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the show he's going to take calls and you're going to hear people be like come on alex what is it yeah
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like that sort of thing and that's the expectation that he's built for himself right with the earlier
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clip when he was talking about tomorrow's news today well he didn't have that slogan yet oh
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okay but yeah yeah but that idea earlier in the show he was talking about how he's mega
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red pilled and he has understandings above all this stuff right and his listeners internalize
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that so they expect that from him so when he comes into the studio and he's blindsided by a bit of
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news that is like oh jesus christ he's in a position where he needs to stake a claim right
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and you can hear already him trying to ambivalently do the fake false flag stuff but then also kind of
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being unwilling to fully commit and i think that that is the part of his brain that he really should
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have run with that part that was unwilling to commit yeah well it's fascinating because if
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like dealing with 2012 alex i'm far more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in this
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situation uh like meaning let me let me actually let me try and put this a lot better um based on
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his tone of voice and the the way that he's trying to talk through this it seems to me like he he does
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feel like oh no this is a tragedy this is a real tragedy and that part is trying to break out
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because his persona has to say that it's not real i think his persona has to deny it but the his
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real human being is trying to break out and be like guys this is an issue this is real i can't
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this is sad but the issue can't be taken our guns exactly even in that human element of him i can
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see that still existing right yeah i think i think there's something to that in in 2012 i'm giving
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him the benefit of doubt and saying that in this situation he is 100 lying he knows this is real
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and he is trying to scramble to find a way to out of it i think that because his response is so much
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less offensive than we would expect yeah you're right yeah i think that because there is this
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waffling back and forth a little bit but you can see clear indications that he wants to say it's
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fake yeah i think that that is a strong indication that he's making a choice yeah there is a choice
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that's going on and the the two sides of himself are at war to a certain extent yeah if it happened
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now i'd just say he was covering his ass you know like if it's not just on autopilot exactly whatever
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like yeah yeah yeah fuck it and he's not screaming about um but yeah it's interesting i think you
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have a really good point uh that i i wasn't i wasn't specifically wrestling with the idea
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that like it does sort of indicate choice yeah and and intentional lying yes um it's hard to
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nail down i think i think your argument is strong i'm not a hundred percent on board with it just
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because no i know that's what i mean i'm saying i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt in 2012
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that i would not give him later on do you know what i mean no but the benefit of the doubt is
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actually a soft damning because the benefit of the doubt is that he's intentionally doing that
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no no no absolutely the doubt is his ability you're you're correct you're absolutely correct
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yeah even though i am a human being in 2012 who has emotions and who can absolutely empathize
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with the fact that these people lost their children yeah i have to you're for my job
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pretend they're nothing you're framing it as the benefit of the doubt but it's actually
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it's the worst thing that your human being could do yeah so at this point in the episode alex has
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you know sort of soft blamed some other things he's uh said hey you know could be could be fake
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uh obama's second term just started he wants to take your guns seems like really good timing
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uh but then he said this and i was like well all right alex maybe maybe you're okay uh and this
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could be real with all the you know the culture of death and people being in on it so that was
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like oh he said maybe it's real ah clip turns bad hammer but if we start seeing telltale signs
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with being staged we'll let you know that's not good that is not good that's not a good way to
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report things hey this thing happened maybe it's real but if we have these indications
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that are parts of the propaganda that we've used about other events if some of those things line
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up we'll let you know yeah stay tuned hey guys you listen you know and i know we're about to say
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this is fake we can't do it right now it's almost too hot it's almost teasing it yeah for like yeah
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it absolutely is stay tuned tomorrow for me to share yeah yeah next time on the alex jones show
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he's gonna call it fake yeah absolutely it feels that way pretty strongly now no matter what his
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position is because i think it does develop and even change throughout the course of this one day
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of his show but nothing changes about the idea that he's saying if it's real they're going to use
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it to take our guns if it's fake they're going to use it to take our guns right no matter what the
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conclusion is exactly the same guns and so you hear that expressed here in this next clip
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theater krasinski the unibomber uh was uh part of mk ultra you gotta call them theater la times
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so see once you've seen this a few dozen times over and over again and you notice the timing
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of it all and uh the fact that the gun culture is the one area we're beating them and if we beat
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them in any area i want to say it's big despite all their propaganda people know the government
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wants our guns to enslave us and people now want guns because of the crazies and the violent people
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that are out there because you know you're good you have a right to protect yourself
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but obama has signaled that he may use executive orders as he's done in other areas outside of
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congress to physically ban handguns and rifles that are semi-auto and um that will start a civil
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war not everybody's going to turn them in and uh i i've had a feeling of dread i i before the
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shooting even started i talked to my wife this morning and i said i'm staying at the start of
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the show but this had already begun we thought only the gunman was dead then
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that i um i'm always honest with you i never tell the crew this every once in a while the day before
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they had the fake bin laden raid i said i have a really bad feeling of dread so that it'd be
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terrible if a president acted outside of congress and yeah alex would hate that but that'd be awful
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that you're right i mean when you were yelling over the beginning uh beginning slash middle of
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that clip like he that he really just wants to say want to say it's bad it's bad it's bad it's
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wants to say want to say it's fake that is what you get there he's comparing it to ted kaczynski
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which he has decided you know is claiming it's all mk ultra and is he they created him to do that
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yeah that sort of thing and he gets the all that is is him saying it's fake without saying it's
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fake yeah and also also him saying that he's a psychic yeah that is true he does give himself
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a lot of that i had these premonitions i knew i was just dread i knew it yeah so at this point in
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the show alex goes to calls and uh i think that there's a couple important things to consider here
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one the callers that you hear on alex's show cannot be taken in any other way than as being
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the people he has trained in as much as they listen to his show and like back in the day they
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would never say like hey uh hey alex before i start my question i want to pimp your products
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or whatever yeah but nowadays they do because they have had the the reinforcement mechanism
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i will take your call if you promote my product to begin with whatever people learn pavlovian kind of
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responses so but everyone who calls in his show they're all his fans even the people who he says
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i take calls that disagree with me they're usually about style over substance there's
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never a real actual disagreement hey alex why don't you publicly hate the jews there are a
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couple times that he has accidentally taken those calls yeah and they don't they don't go great they
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don't go great but those people are still reflecting the training that alex has given them
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by the rhetoric that he puts out into the world so now that we're going to see this caller and he's
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going to ask alex was it fake and the reason that it's important to remember that these are
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basically alex's students who are calling in is because alex has created this world view in the
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post 9 11 world where like i know he wasn't the only person saying it was a false flag but he was
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one of the loudest mouthpieces who was and who consistently does call things fake that aren't
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fake so the people who are calling in are ahead of alex in terms of the narrative yeah they know
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that alex is it's only a matter of time right right right right so let's cut to the chase
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yeah alex is it fake you have trained us to believe everything like this is fake you've
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already said a bunch of times on this show it's about trying to take our guns so let's cut through
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the bs yeah and alex's answer is super interesting because it's again like that last clip what you
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pointed out i want to say yes so badly i want to say this is fake so badly let's quit holding hands
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alex and let's start fucking come on he doesn't say that it's fake in response but it is you can
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hear the yes under the skin of his mouth the little mouth inside his mouth the alien mouth
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the alien mouth is coming out the xenomorph house yeah let's go ahead and talk to john
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in connecticut he's got some information john what do you have for us sir uh well i've just been
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following our mind and uh but what i was going to bring up with something you already addressed and
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that was you know the possibility of being a staged act and with james holmes saying that
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he was a manchurian candidate you know people like these who are doing these shootings
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being put in place by some agency or the government to promote a gun grab or keep the
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public in fear because uh you know this happening like every week it seems to be escalating you know
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to happen more and more frequently well i know this sir uh they're when they stage these things
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we know columbine was staged we need to go back and do a whole article on how they
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reported four different gunmen there was 127 bombs in the building half the school was empty
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there was a stand down there were government mind control programs connected to both of the youth
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they were both on drugs the riddle and pros act types both but now the atlantic wire is reporting
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there was also reports of a second shooter who may be at large so it's always that same report
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the current also said there are unconfirmed reports of two shooters one dead and one at large
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so and again there can be false reports of that too except you know when somebody else opens the
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door when when smoke grenades get thrown from both sides when the you know the people are in
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government programs and when the police orders stand down so shooters can go longer if all these
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normal telltale signs start coming out regardless the white house is going to use this to go after
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our guns you can absolutely bet it so the most important thing is the gun defense you can tell
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that from the way he's carrying himself but what he did in response to that caller is say yes to
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the idea that it was fake without saying yes yeah and then laid a bunch of pretty vague he's he's
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trying to make it sound specific but of the vague conditions under which we can now say this is fake
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yeah and uh you wouldn't do that if that's the direction unless that was the direction you wanted
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to go in right of course i just want to say uh to that caller um go fucking fuck yourself you dumb
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fuck how can you honestly look at that and be like it seems like these are happening with more
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frequency and then be like well clearly that's the government ramping up their let's steal your guns
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program not hey guess what this is a fucking epidemic it's still like understandable why
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the caller would think that given alex's yeah training it's hard to say it in any other way
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than that training right right he has taken the course and uh you know to get your degree you have
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to be dumb yeah i guess can't graduate community college to get this degree oh it is this is going
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to be such an interesting investigation just based on the fact alone that um not fact but like sandy
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hook is one of those flashpoints in history you can point to where we didn't do anything about
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it then nope so that means it's okay yep like that's real not that it's okay but that it's
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it's not going it's never going to be addressed yeah you know so like after columbine imagine
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a more horrifying reality than that day exactly you can't like you couldn't maybe you could maybe
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the best uh maybe well we get hit with more horrifying realities on a daily basis at this
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point but maybe the best horror writers in the world could come up with some realistic scenario
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something that would shock us more than the idea of someone coming to a school with automatic
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weapons shooting out a window and killing a bunch of children in school yeah but it's hard to fathom
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something worse than that happening yeah but that's that's what the that's what sandy hook
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was is it it was almost like a it was almost a test for america and we utterly failed people
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tried not to fail they tried so hard but people like alex made sure made fucking sure that we
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didn't graduate community goddamn college but he was just misled by these people who had questions
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fuck me who saw the anomalies oh god i'll kill myself you can see on this episode already that
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this investigation will lead us in strange directions but it's ultimately unnecessary
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you just go back to the day you see exactly what he's putting out into the world yep it's a
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abject desire for it to be fake it is a complete um like it's an ambivalence based on i think a
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recognition on his part number one as you pointed out that on a conscious cognitive level he knows
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it was real and second he doesn't know how to spin it yeah so he probably does need those people like
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wolf gang hell big to come around to justify the thing that he wants to say to give him some cover
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exactly and i think that there's something to that but at this point you can see where his
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head's at yeah very clearly yep yeah there's no way that you can listen to what he's had to say
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so far and be then like oh yeah yeah no he just had debates fuck off so this guy would have done
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anything and everything for anyone like even if 99 of his callers said that it was real and you
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should worry about like alex calm down he would grab onto the one caller who's like yeah i said
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fro this is norcom and he'd been like yep yep it's fake thank god thank you thank you caller for
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giving me cover so in this next clip he talks about it again and he's talking about how it's
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fake but not saying it's fake basically and compares it to another shooting that he believes
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was completely fake this is going to be um it looks like the biggest school massacre ever
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boy wouldn't you know i i mean you can go back in the last month and i've said over and over
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again and we've written articles saying you watch there's going to be giant school shootings i called
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it and all they got to do is get some mental patient hopped up on psychotropics and then have
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their psychiatrist tell them to go do it and of course you know the batman shooter it's now come
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out in the denver papers and it's even come out in other mainstream news that he was in a darpa
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mind control program he had a top air force psych warfare chief over him he was being paid
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a large salary as a graduate student to be part of the program so the james homes aurora batman
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shooting is something that will come up over the course of this and i wanted to get more into it
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because he's off base on a lot of this but i wanted to get more into it but i felt that it
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would be better served to cover that on another episode yeah because i know it will come it's
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coming back up for sure we'll we'll deal with that uh when he brings it back up on an episode where
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we have the bandwidth to take care of it but for now all that's important is that alex believes
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that that was a false flag shooting and he's comparing it to the situation situation in sandy
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hook yeah which he's done over and over again he thinks that columbine is fake he's comparing sandy
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hook to that he believes that ted kaczynski was directed to do his mail bombings by being part of
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the mk ultra program and uh the feds made him do it false flag blah blah blah he's comparing that
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sandy hook every single thing that he's comparing um the events to that he's covering are things
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that he believes are fake and that's not a coincidence i don't know what a real shooting
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in his mind is quite frankly i don't know if i've ever heard him cover something that was like
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this happened boy does it suck i guess actually like when white protesters are hit there you go
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nailed it then he thinks 100 when uh like a like antifa uh gets attacked by uh the proud
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boys and one of the proud boys gets hurt he thinks that's a real assault yeah of course
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something like that but i don't know if i've ever actually heard and i know that it's probably
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partially because i haven't heard every episode of this show i believe much like there's probably a
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real use of a source there's probably an example of a shooting that he believes is real but he's
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not comparing sandy hook to any of those potential examples he's only comparing what's going on to
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all of these things he's built up with his rhetoric to be triggers in his audience's mind
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of things that are fake and he's doing that for a very specific reason and that is to prime them
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to prime the pump of the narrative that is exactly what we've already said i'm i love
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that we already got to it but just that idea of like everyone who's listening knows where he's
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going it's almost like watching house and being like you're gonna solve the you're gonna you're
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gonna get to the medical mystery well that too yeah but also like our house and cuddy ever gonna
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make out oh yeah for sure will they won't they yeah yeah things in a sitcom you're watching for
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the tease and then when it comes it's kind of uh disappointing i think alex realizes that he's
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doing a will he won't he yeah with yeah at least for this day in history i wish these guys had
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more fun with the shootings they thought were fake like look all of the all of that like no
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no i'm not sure what you mean by that no i'm just saying like i want a conspiracy theory that's like
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rfk wasn't really killed oh you guys talk about that well not not not that he wasn't really killed
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but that sirhan sirhan didn't kill him oh okay well i it was a false flag but let's not worry
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about that another another one of these false flags yeah you know what the fucking weirdest
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thing is yeah so i wish i had uh taken this clip but it just got kind of like lost in the wayside
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in this episode he's talking shit on the russians a lot like he's in order to reinforce his idea
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that these false flag attacks happen he's like the russians have been caught doing it a bunch
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he even specifically brings up the apartment he cannot possibly have brought up he does
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he brings up the apartment bombings uh as an example of a false flag attack that happened
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fucking hate him by present day he now is like i thought it was fake it turns out it's not
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really great him i fucking hate him it's it's nuts he uses that as an example of uh of the
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hey these people do all this shit how dare you get it right in the wrong service and then just
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change your mind you fucking asshole nothing matters all that matters is uh the the means
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to an end nothing is an end in of itself yeah everything is just a means to an end and that
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is profoundly unethical so in this next clip alex uh this is where i think it sort of drifts into
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uh like i think we've already seen things that i would not uh like to see anyone uh do like
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reporting news certainly but at the same time there's still not like there's not indications
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that he's saying overt things that like this was fake or anything like that yeah and he doesn't in
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this next clip either but this is where i think he's putting his toe a little too far over the
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line and uh it's it's got the telltale signs here cbs news reporting that uh there were reportedly
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two shooters seen and uh the atlantic wire is also uh reporting that so when he says that sandy hook
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has the telltale signs i think that's a bridge too far because you don't have all the information
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you don't have you you're in an irresponsible place reporting anything even all of whatever
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whatever the the cbs is reporting that there are two shooters yeah if you report that with
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the caveat that you know things are not solid right now this is what they're saying it may
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turn out to be true it may not be or whatever you can probably walk that line but when you
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introduce it by saying this has all the telltale signs which is implied very clearly whatever it is
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you want them to fake shootings yeah that is where you have now breached a territory where it's like
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you are doing too much to make your audience think it's fake well he has a false flag heart
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underneath the floorboards of his desk that just pumps every time there's a false flag shooting
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it's just boom boom boom boom boom yeah so in this next clip he talks about how a civil war is a
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coming if they take the guns god i kind of wish it had and then wait for this moment there is a
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moment where alex i believe from all of my research and alex and knowing how his brain works i think
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he almost says this is fucking bullshit this was fake and he stops himself i i'm very sure from
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listening to this a couple times that he really held his tongue uh and folks you can absolutely
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guarantee there will be a civil war a death sentence to the police and military and citizens
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if they give this order which may be the plan and um i i'm gonna be honest i actually
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oh oh man anyways i want to say i want to say it's fake they're getting ready to make some big
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moves you can guarantee that that is restraint and eyeing on his part and i just want to tell you
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it's it's false there's a lot of stuff coming up in the news it's they're making the move it's
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now i think i think the most interesting speculation is what is causing him to
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restrain himself that is a good question because it's clearly not the threat of a lawsuit he's
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like i said at the beginning of this episode he's so far under the radar at this point no one gave
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a shit he was saying clearly defamatory things about tons of people already at this point he'd
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gotten away with it for years he has no reason to fear that yeah what is holding him back and
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i'm not sure what that is and i think the best argument just because we are all people and even
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alex as a monster is still a person i think it's exactly what you were talking about earlier and
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that is that he knows this is real yeah there's a part of him that is that that that that bit of
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humanity have you ever seen a dog fall off a dock like a dog a dog scramble like oh my god no what
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there's some great videos of dogs falling off dogs there are great videos of dogs falling off
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they're fine they can swim it's no big deal but like they'll they'll paw their paws will like
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scratch at the at the dock and there's nothing to grab onto so it'll be like like 10 seconds of them
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trying to stay on the dock and then falling in the water oh do you mean like a like a hannah
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barbera cartoon where they go over the edge and look down like they go over the edge of the cliff
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and they're standing there and then they look down and then they i was trying to use a real-world
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example but yes it i think that that is alex clawing at the dock i think it's that that part
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of his brain it's like oh you know that your entire career is predicated on you falling off
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this dock but you can't you can't these children died no it is it is very much that pause that
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long like it's it has to be some yeah part of him like it it may not be but that's the easiest
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human explanation right for it of like if i take this leap i'm doing something fucking monstrous
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no you can absolutely see him like it plausibly you can see him being like my career is predicated
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and is dependent upon me saying this is fake but at the same time i genuinely can't get the image
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out of my head of one of my kids being shot in a school yeah i can't get it out of my head give me
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a day if that's if that's how we have to get there then yeah possibly yeah that's uh that's it give
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me a day and i'll be able to lie about this but today all i see is that phone call when i come
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home and he's in such luck because this is a friday uh yeah so he doesn't have to do a
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saturday show yeah there you go you can regroup for sunday and uh that'll be our next episode but
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in this next clip alex is taking calls and he gets a call from a guy in connecticut and this guy is
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just spouting unfounded rumors left and right and talking about things that really have nothing to
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do with the shooting at all really one of the things he talks about is the idea that he went
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to a bowling alley and that there were some buses of uh kids from sandy hook high school who were
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there at the bowling alley bowling while the shooting was taking place well that proves it
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i would say that first of all those are two different schools uh sure same school district
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and what have you but very different schools also i know that from when i was in high school
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i took zero hour bowling because i needed a pe credit and i wasn't going to fucking take another
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pe class same thing at the school so i went in and they had buses that would take us to the bowling
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alley why would you do anything but go to bowling class that was offered in many or even it could be
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like i don't know christmas break is coming up holiday break so maybe there's a we're done with
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our our finals midterms yeah and uh we're going and having a bowling day to celebrate that happens
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in schools too there's nothing really necessarily suspicious about the stuff he's saying but he's
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saying it in suspicious ways right and alex allows him to uh give all sorts of unverified rumors on
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the show and respond to them as if they mean something and here's where alex gives his worst
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response uh of them all uh because yeah we have it in local news about the multiple shooters
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yeah multiple shooters allegedly were dressed as nuns that's how they got on the property
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that's the rumor that's going into it's a unverified report rumor coming through
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the school system um through the teachers and that this is how the people actually got on the
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property so what are we going to do ban habits now i'm physically ill is all i can say um i mean
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is that what we're going to do is it's not that he's physically ill about any of the rumors that
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this guy is saying he's physically ill about the the like all of this amounts to the globalists
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so earlier in the show you asked me if alex had any sort of like human response to this about
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the victims of uh of this shooting um and it's interesting uh like i said there are semblances
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of humanity here and there usually from an ego standpoint of the idea of like my kids yeah yeah
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of course this next clip is one of the weirder uh versions of that because there there is a moment
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the moment where he wants a prayer um huh but it's not a prayer for the victims at sandy hook
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of course it's sort of a broader prayer that would be admitting there were victims at sandy
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well and also calling for this prayer the way he does implies that the children who
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were killed at that school were the victims of the globalists all right folks we're back live here
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i feel like we should say a prayer for all the children being killed around the world by the
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globalist that is a very implicit uh statement that he's making great you might as well say
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uh we we need to have a prayer and hope that the gun used in the shooting is okay after the end of
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this christ it's as bad it's not lord please put it into uh into a reseller's hands so that gun
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so that gun can find a better home what an asshole totally so you know alex goes with his gut he's a
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gut guy he loves to follow his gut uh to wherever it takes him yeah way more than information or
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reason certainly and so this next clip is particularly troubling and my gut is with the
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timing and everything that happened this is staged and you know i've been saying the last few months
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get ready for big mass shootings you can hear that wavering in his voice there that fake crying
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voice that he does uh from time to time his gut is telling him that this is staged that is uh
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pretty overt but still because we have to practice this radical uh version of we have to take alex
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at exactly what he's saying that's still not him saying it was right but he has constantly talked
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about how his gut is never wrong right uh and has trained his audience to accept whatever his
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instincts and his leanings are so when he says my gut based on all the timing of this stuff
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my gut is that it's staged to me that's as good from a like a spiritual standpoint that's him
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saying right guys the line here is that this is not real yeah without him having to own the
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consequences of that right at the very least everybody who listens to him is going to know
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what that means yes that means alex says it's not real yes which this this episode so far has been
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like i started out saying that he's 85 leaning towards it being a false flag and everything he
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says just goes up one percent one percent to where that is and we're like this is 99 a false flag
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i'm almost ready to say it i'm so close yeah so in this next clip uh he's uh you know he's just
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talking about the globalists wanting to grab guns and this is probably a part of it the government
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could care less about children in fact they hate the fact that they're even born they want to
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abort as many of them as they can so just get that when they're up there grandstanding and well see
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bob costas he was right notice they had all this anti-gun stuff right before this right before
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obama gets back in not facing reelection i said look out this is the kickoff they're coming after
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the guns look for mass shootings it's hard to escape what he's saying there and also eagle-eared
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listeners will remember that when we talked about the charleston shooting with dylan roof
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his way of deflecting from the horror of that it was to talk about abortion yep that idea of like
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they kill all these babies you think they don't care they're not killing anybody you know that
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that sort of thing is his way of dehumanizing uh that of like any kind of uh uh mass murder
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yeah that is inconvenient it's the most whataboutism that you could possibly get
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yeah so it's interesting to see him so oh you know what they're they're just well oh they're
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just mad that they got however many years of life they did they wish they could have killed him
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sooner go fuck yourself alex yeah so it's it's i was gonna say it's interesting but it's not
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interesting the fact that he brings that up immediately as a deflection here as he did
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after charleston yeah if abortion was performed with a fucking gun then we can have a conversation
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but until then you shut the goddamn fuck up it's a playbook that he's following in terms of like the
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deflections the distractions that that sort of thing so that's interesting but again not
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interesting that's the line i'm walking yeah um so noteworthy i would go with noteworthy yeah so the
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uh i would say that you could easily hear the things that alex is saying and be like well he's
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on air he's having to respond to whatever is thrown in his face maybe he's just saying stuff
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you know like he's just trying to keep a conversation going he's just he doesn't have a
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co-host sure he just has to keep talking maybe sure maybe he's just saying things possible but
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i mean the real sick thing is alex i mean if it is a globalist agenda i mean that's the really
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nauseating thing and we are in trouble well i don't just sit here and uh you know just say it
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it's the timing it's all of it together and it's the usual first reports i'm not just saying things
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it's the timing that is leading me to believe that this is part of some sort of a globalist plot
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that's not good no that is not good so alex keeps talking about the telltale signs of this being a
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false flag like he he's saying that if the telltale signs are achieved we know that this
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is a false flag first telltale sign it happened second telltale tale sign uh a gun was involved
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done false flag well he's very unspecific you are more specific than he is yeah but
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he has said earlier that sandy hook fits these telltale signs and so in this next clip another
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caller asks uh what are these telltale signs uh and it's interesting to see here alex's response
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the moon was full that that's not wonderful oh okay um what is the signs that you're talking
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about alex because the signs that i'm seeing i mean you used to see crime scenes like this
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you know some years ago maybe when we were kids you'd see a lot of local police now you're seeing
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just i mean dominated by fbi and no that's the sign that's the sign there you go there you go
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no it's it's always the same so that is him saying it's fake yep that is without saying the words
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that is him confirming to a caller that this is fake you saw the sign it opened up his mind he
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saw the sign you saw the sign he asked what are the telltale signs you keep talking about because
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back in my day you'd see local police responding to things now there's fbi that's the sign there
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you go that's what happened here that's what you said a sign was connect the dots fake and i would
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say that whatever crime this guy is imagining from his younger days doesn't match the scale of this
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crime it also doesn't match the uh like the severity the amount of resources that were
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actually available in newtown those sorts of things needing to ask for assistance from state
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police yeah um and the fbi obviously would be interested in the worst school shooting in
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american history at the time yeah so god that you have to say at the time is the worst so none of
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that like none of that means anything to me no except for it means that alex is trying to
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is trying to reinforce that to his listener that shit's fake that's him saying it without saying it
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yep so he had some guests you heard him say we have some guests coming yeah uh earlier in the
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show and he's bumped most of them because when the reality of the situation became clear to him
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he realized like ah we got to talk about this he didn't bump one of them uh and we we were
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we're gonna have several guests today i've i've moved one of them just be on the night
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when i got it this is so important but i kept larry graphwald on the show because he can speak
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to this vietnam veteran 65 to 66 in the second 502 infantry first brigade 101st airborne division
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former fbi weather underground informant who quoted obama confidant and former leader of the
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weatherman is stating that those americans who could not be re-educated in communist camps after
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the revolution would be eliminated in mal cultural revolution 25 million to be killed so larry
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grathwalt was a vietnam vet but he's most well known as the guy who claimed that he had infiltrated
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the weather underground and uncovered a plot helmed by bill ayers and bernadette dorn to
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foment a cultural revolution in america their plan was to take conservatives to re-education camps
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and if they refused to get with the program they would be killed in an absurd interview from 1982
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grathwalt claimed that the chinese north koreans cubans and russians would seek to occupy parts of
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the united states which the weather underground was totally cool with because they were more
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concerned with the quote counter revolution which of course is supposed to be alex's patriot weirdos
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i don't believe him he claims that unnamed but it's assumed to be bill ayers members of the
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weather underground told him that they estimated that 25 million people were not just going to go
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along and get on board with what they were doing presumably because they were die-hard capitalists
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and thus would need to be killed nothing that he's ever said about the weather underground or
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bill ayers has ever been supported by anything other than his claims there's no evidence of any
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of this stuff and since he was working as a mole for the fbi it seems weird that none of this ever
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led to any real charges he was never wearing a wire he never produced anything uh in writing
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or even had any corroborating witnesses come forward but that has not stopped him from being
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hero worshiped by the anti-communist propaganda circles that we cover so often they don't depend
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so much on actual evidence as they do the appearance of evidence so everything grathwall
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was it was exactly what they needed to reinforce their arguments that communism is a menace that
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seeks to kill all who oppose it even in modern days and their tentacles have invaded all the
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halls of academia in america in 2016 when alex jones finally got to sit down with bail heirs
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alex confronted him with talk about larry grathwall and if you recall it didn't go well
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was larry grathwold i heard he tried to debate you have you ever debated him no and never and he's
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passed away now but larry grathwall was a pathological liar a paid informant of the fbi
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i don't know if you're a fan of the fbi but larry grathwall was paid to lie and none of what he said
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was true or has ever been proven to be true well i'm not a fan of a lot of stuff the fbi has done
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but it's pretty much a creature of whatever whoever runs the justice department and the
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white house but but i'm certainly not a fan of communist so larry grathwall is a creature of
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the justice department correct of the justice department he was under but he i think there's
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good people and bad people in there is what i'm saying department or do you not like that
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justice department i believe that when he when you guys recruited him and and reportedly tried
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to get him to train you in military tactics i mean i think it was good to stop violence
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that is true larry grathwall hung around sbs everybody thought he was a cop it turns out he
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wasn't a cop he was simply a paid informant paid to lie and that's what he did none of what he said
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ever resulted in anything so the fact that he tried to make a second career out of himself
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is ludicrous he was not a truthful person he never told the truth we gotta go to break come back you
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can finish responding to that and give us your view on education so alex didn't do great with
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that uh interview nah the time that larry grathwall would have been working for the fbi
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as an informant was 1969 according to his own book who is uh head of the department of justice
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well it was under the richard nixon administration and in 1969 nixon's attorney general was john
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n mitchell for those of you who don't know what john n mitchell got up to in his career
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here if you have highlights here are the greatest hits in the lead up to the 1968 election
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representatives of nixon's campaign sabotaged the paris peace talks that would have effectively
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ended the vietnam war they did this specifically to ensure that nixon won the election as they
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had told allies in south vietnam that nixon could offer them a better peace deal than the johnson
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administration could by the way that was treason uh we'll get to that yeah lbj uh had recordings
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of everything that have since been released where he discussed the situation with his advisor richard
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russell and what do you know john n mitchell was deeply involved in trying to spread the anti
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johnson sentiment among our allies while simultaneously contacting the north vietnamese
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and telling them similar things treason because nixon lacked uh the political baggage that lbj had
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he could give them a better deal too the actions of john n mitchell led to the continuation of a
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pointless war that could have ended sooner and he did it for purely political motives you would
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think that someone like larry grathwall a vietnam vet wouldn't want to work with that kind of a guy
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in another call lbj spoke with senate major uh minority leader everitt dirksen and explicitly
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called what nixon's people were doing treason to which dirksen replied quote i know at the time
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mitchell was nixon's campaign manager and ran operations for the campaign in february 1975
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john mitchell was also found guilty of conspiracy obstruction of justice and perjury for his role
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in planning the watergate break-in throughout his time as attorney general mitchell spent all
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of his political capital attacking left-leaning groups immediately after nixon won the election
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he told a reporter quote this country is going so far to the right you won't recognize it
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and he made good on his word seeking to disrupt civil rights groups and anti-war groups at every
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turn also he ran the committee for the re-election of the president or as many people call it creep
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which was ostensibly a fundraising arm of the nixon uh 1972 re-election campaign but really
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was mostly about money laundering and creating slush funds in order to pay the watergate burglars
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interestingly roger stone also worked for creep huh weird anyway my point here is that given the
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circumstances and lack of any substantiating evidence i see literally no reason to put any
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stock into what larry grathwall says absent any other proof i think bill ayer's explanation that
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he's a liar who was paid by a criminal department of justice is probably the most sensible conclusion
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here alex is just having him on even though huge news broke because larry's story helps build alex
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is building a budding narrative that the sandy hook shooting was fake larry's story was that in
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order to reshape society to fit their desires the weather underground was willing to kill 25 million
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people it's not true but it goes a long way toward helping a struggling audience come to terms with
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the idea that these people would also be willing to kill children in order to reach their goal
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what i'm saying is that the fact that alex didn't bump larry grathwall and bumped other people
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speaks volumes about his intentions yeah he has this guy on because he knows that there is he had
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him planned anyway and that's probably a happy coincidence yeah yeah or whatever but he doesn't
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bump him because he knows that there's something that will help feed the narrative that he's
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working on in continuing the interview and i think like i said i think that speaks to intent
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yeah absolutely and it it's never not important to point out that the weather underground
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went really far out of their way to try not to hurt people really far out of their way to try
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not to hurt people as far as terrorist organizations go they were really going for
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zero casualties yeah but i mean that's the same that you see with eco-terrorists and
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animal rights terrorists the people who do those sorts of things go uh they they generally anytime
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they hurt anybody even it's a profound mistake that they've made yeah there's planning involved
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that it's just property damage yeah or uh something that is uh some sort of a symbolic
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thing like that that that sort of thing and that that's most of the terrorism on the left
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granted there is probably some other things i'm not 100 aware of sure sure i'm not gonna paint
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with a broad brush exception rules etc those are the biggest left uh terrorist groups uh that exist
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and yeah it's very different than uh the people who uh just shoot abortion doctors anyway i bring
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all of that up and i wanted to talk about the history of the people that larry grathwold was
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working for because they don't fit whatever um benign version alex would like to present
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of his work and alex wouldn't be on board with that right like alex shouldn't be he shouldn't
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like larry grathwall he was working for john mitchell right like legitimately alex as what
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he presents himself to be should be super against this guy but he's not because it suits his
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interest and he's having him on like i said specifically because the anti-weather underground
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narrative that says that they wanted to kill 25 million people which alex says was the globalists
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doing yeah all that stuff is to acclimate the audience to they would kill children right and i
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as soon as i heard he didn't bump larry grathwall i was like that's what he's doing i get it and
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then after that i heard this clip and i was like ah you son of a bitch larry what's your gut uh
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on this tragedy right now and then tying it into a group that says they want to kill 25 million
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libertarians and conservatives would they stage a mass shooting to get our guns you son of a wow
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that was fast you did exactly what i thought you'd do fucking fast yeah it's pretty crazy holy shit
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do you know what do you know what's fascinating the reason it so uh lbj probably could have been
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re-elected uh perhaps yeah well uh by by his his memoirs he could have been re-elected but if you
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listen and he was pretty much if you listen to or read the transcripts of those tapes they'll all
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like a bunch of it was like i know nixon's gonna win like he had like he knew and was also like
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when he was calling what they were doing treason yeah it was like in these conversations they're
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like i don't think it should enter the campaign what they're doing right but this is bullshit
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right right exactly which is crazy to think about in our modern world of dirty politics and stuff
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like that absolutely knew that they were committing treason i know that should not do we should not
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talk about this publicly you know i'm only talking to you about this right it's so fascinating
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because we need to scold them right and the one is one of the reasons that he didn't run is because
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he uh was told by doctors because of his family's uh history of dying young he was told by his
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doctors that he would die within four years and one of the reasons he didn't run is because he
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said that the american people had enough presidents dying in office and then he died four years later
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like he died in the exact year that his doctors predicted he would die isn't that nuts that is
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crazy that is nuts yeah presidents are fucking crazy yeah a lot of that history is real weird
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yeah and you know who knows it's hard to rewrite history and there might have been problems with
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the paris peace talks to begin with yeah it may have had that shit not happened there's a decent
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chance that it wouldn't have led to the conclusion we imagine it would right you know like this
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fantasy of like hey war ended exactly when it could have yeah or whatever no but that doesn't
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take away from the fact that there were nefarious actors right in nixon's camp specifically doing
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that shit and one of them was john mitchell who was the head uh it was the you know the attorney
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general who uh you know the buck stops with him right uh in terms of uh whatever larry grathwall
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was doing it is it never it every time we fantasy book history it is almost never like uh uh
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the right wing didn't get assassinated you know what i'm saying like in american history so often
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are are like here was the moment where things could have changed it's always been a left guy
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getting murdered you know like when when robert kennedy was murdered the great what ifs yeah
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exactly or always the left wing got murdered the moment that their popularity was at their highest
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somebody was murdered it is it is one of those like motherfucking right-wing assholes always
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say oh if we do this we're gonna get killed and the only people who wind up fucking getting killed
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are the ones who are trying to make shit better meanwhile when right-wing people clandestinely
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talk to enemies they get appointed as ambassador to venezuela instead of al salvador they win
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elections or they you know they yeah have democrat presidents be not ambassador but yeah be a special
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representative yeah yeah yeah have like lbj be like let's not make this fucking ugly right let's
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find a way to deal with this like behind the scenes because let's uphold our constitutional
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norms otherwise we will have to bring charges against these people and that will be fucking
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messy yeah so uh i wanted to spend a little time on that just because uh i think it's interesting
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and i haven't heard an episode other than this one where larry actually shows up his dog because
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he dies i don't remember when he died but he he died by the time most of our episodes uh cover
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like in the like 2015 era alex talks about interviewing his daughter and stuff like that
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but i'd never actually heard him be on the show yeah and he is the person actually that uh when
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you ask me does alex say anything human larry grathwall uh his response when alex asks him
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based on your experience with the weather underground wanting to kill 25 million people
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do you think that they would do this in order to get our guns the answer at the end of rambling
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very long answer is meh but at the same time in that he was like i can't imagine what it must be
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like for these people and so he's the one who so larry is the one who's like jesus even even me
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pathological liar larry grathwall has to say this is fucked up yeah yeah so he expresses more of
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that human side that you want to hear yeah um and we don't need to listen to it i'll just give him
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credit for that so alex here in this next clip how's larry grathwall doing i got bad news what's
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happened yeah he's dead oh well hey you're doing great work so in this next clip alex uh i mean
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again it's just all insinuations that this was fake i told you get ready for mass shootings
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this will be the biggest one in u.s history magically as obama comes into a second term
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i smell a rat smells a rat just quit teasing just quit fucking doing it smells a rat baby
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just sack just fucking do it just do what you want to do and say it's fake you have no conscience
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do it or don't yeah those are the two options yeah this is unacceptable yeah this sort of
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yeah is uh it's it's not responsible as broadcast quit playing with my nipples asshole yeah exactly
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um so in this next clip when we were talking about earlier the idea that like there's misreporting
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early and that that sort of thing happens alex is now going to treat the idea that people had
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reported various things like there's talk that there might be a second shooter or stuff like
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that sure as more information comes to the surface they realize that that report of the
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second shooter is now invalidated by more reporting right and so they're going back
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and correcting their stories alex interprets that as scrubbing the internet of these stories yeah
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yeah yeah he will use that as evidence of course this is a fake situation they started scrubbing
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articles and natural news is reporting on this reports of second stranger now being scrubbed
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from the news and people let out of the woods by officers and an anna schwatt team now investigating
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the home of one suspect that was people going to his mother's house where they ended up finding
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her dead yeah so that is also not suspicious but and and again you've got reportedly a van
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that got its windows shot out uh where there's smoke there's fire and we need to talk to people
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in the school before they get threatened was there a drill so that's sort of his line that
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he's making of like if there was a drill then it's fake and also there's a bunch of other things that
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i will accept as evidence that it was fake yeah no kidding i will literally give me anything and
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i will say this is fake please that please but that will be the thing that will be the coup de
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gras or whatever they're like uh my piece de resistance will be uh i don't know why we have
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to keep using french things when we've already established he hates the french but that will
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be the thing that is like beyond the pale there's a there's a training exercise there's a drill
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there whatever dead to rights boom ironic how concerned he is about the parents of the victims
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is he i mean like before we wouldn't we need to talk to them before they get harassed oh no i
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think he's talking about uh they're like members at the school not not parents of the victims i
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mean just like yeah member like people in the school yeah yeah yeah before they get harassed
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yeah yeah but before the feds come and tell them not to say shit yeah yeah yeah uh yeah which also
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implies that that is the situation that's going on so that implies that he believes that it's they
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will get shaken down yeah yeah yeah and yeah you know what it's interesting i hadn't even thought
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about that but as we're talking about that clip the only way that that clip makes sense because
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he's saying we need to talk to them before they get threatened was there a drill there is the only
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way you say that is if you believe with no evidence that there was a drill there and that
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people will be threatened in order to cover it up so if there is no evidence there it means that you
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didn't get there quick enough and everyone's been threatened and they won't talk yep and if someone
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tells you that there was a drill then great i do still think he's on the right side of legality
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probably at this point it's kind of hard to say because of what what he's saying implies and you
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know how his audience will hear it yeah but he's not saying the things like in the 2015 clip that
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we go back to from time to time if i'm saying this is a synthetic event it's all actors right that
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sort of thing right right right that is overt defamation absolutely dead to rights what he's
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saying here is an ambivalent version of that i would say possibly like a sort of an ambivalent
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cowardly version i think it's one of those things where if this were an isolated incident you could
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say he's protected but if we were going to if we were were he anyone else yeah were he anyone else
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and we were we were doing this if this was a court case were he anyone else you'd say
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yeah i can see how a public figure could say this and be wrong and not have malicious intent behind
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it you'd hope you'd hope the next day they would like sort of deal with wow kind of blew it on a
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little bit of that sorry about that have not be knowledgeably uh negligent but with our context
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with all of what we've put together this one show where where he doesn't even explicitly say it
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i feel like we could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was committing a crime on this show
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i think it's it's a borderline issue it's close but i don't i don't know i'm not i don't agree
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with you but i think spiritually and intent wise yes yeah the intent is there for sure but i'm not
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sure the act is there yet yeah but all that all that being said and let's put all that aside for
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a second because alex fancies himself a journalist and does he kind of and he thinks what he's doing
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is reporting he thinks he's bringing the truth to people and stuff like that and so when i heard
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this next clip i was like no one would ever do this if they cared about reality no one would
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ever put this call to action into the world if they were interested in reporting the actual facts
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of any situation they take it take sandy hook out of it let's say i don't know someone stole a loaf
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of bread from the the bodega up the street don't talk about derek i'm talking about he's a fine
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guy i'm talking about hungry fine i'm just scale it down however you want yeah very minimal
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situation yeah and someone wanting to talk about the reality of whatever happened they would never
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do something like this this next clip grossed me out folks i want to get your comments on what's
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happening your take your ideas news reports you're seeing go to infowars.com go to enemies
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of second amendment we'll exploit connecticut shooting and comment in there and i'll read
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your comments on air uh of what you think's going on infowars.com go to the top article
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enemies of second amendment will exploit connecticut shooting so he's written curtain
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mo i believe or one of these aaron dykes one of these guys has written an article enemies of the
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second amendment will exploit sandy hook or the connecticut shooting that's the article so that
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is already the name of the article is already biased yeah but then he's saying leave your
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comments in that article and i'll read them on the air yeah you wouldn't do that if you wanted
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real information who the fuck is gonna leave like a comment on that article it's gonna be
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if you ever read the infowars comments it's insane good god no i would never do that lot of spam
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lot of spam fair a lot of people starting to sell your shoes hey i have a great sunglasses and shoes
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i have a great poll question for you is trump doing a great job or is he doing the greatest
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job no no that's answering for his article that is a trump email that he sends out that is our
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president sending that out um it is not a place you want to get information from so alex on the
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show the day of sandy hook being like we got this article with a very biased headline and what we
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want is you to comment in there and i'm gonna read it on the air jesus like no one would do that if
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they cared no one would do that that is that is an indication of that's him giving the bird to the
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idea that he cares right it's so insane why would you do that drama more listenership yeah i guess
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get people to go to yeah increase increased listener engagement you know like hey you've
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always wanted to be on my show but you haven't been able to call you haven't been able to get
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through well guess what if you comment on this article then i will take that and i will read it
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on air think about how famous you dan will be personally that because alex emmerich goddamn
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jones sandy hook denier will read out your bullshit on air that's painfully cynical but
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probably accurate yeah like it it is it is the only functional reason to do that is to
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drum up more traffic to your site the only reason yeah goddamn mm-hmm goddamn hey psychopaths are
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great right i hadn't even really thought about that i just thought it was like i want more
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content and i don't care where it comes from but it probably is sort of a drive to the website he
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realizes absolutely this is this is a rare uh circumstance where i'm going to get a lot of
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people who are interested if i can funnel them to my website my traffic will explode well i mean
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it's like nothing drives up gun sales more than a mass shooting so there's a there's a very real
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tangible monetary interest that all of the gun manufacturers have in making sure gun shoot gun
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mass shootings continue to happen yeah it's just so brutally cynical yeah you never want to think
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that that's probably what's going through someone's mind but maybe it is and maybe that
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is part of the calculus that he's going through when he's wrestling with where do i land on yeah
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and now by this point in the show he's realized this could this could really help this could
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really help info wars uh get it on the map right everyone goes to the website comments
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maybe we get a thousand shit comments but one guy gives us a narrative we can run with or whatever
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in that thousand shit comments is going to be a couple like a hundred thousand actual hits to the
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website you can sell more ad sense because i haven't been kicked off that yet i mean it is
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it is very much like there's no if you recorded everything that the ceo of smith and wesson ever
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said there is no way that he has never said i'm kind of happy every time a mass shooting happens
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because our sales go up i'm sure zero percent chance guarded moment yeah in some unguarded
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moment he's been like mass shootings are great for business if that dumb dumb had to do like
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four hours of radio a day yeah you would totally yeah yeah absolutely um so in this next clip alex
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has a prediction about what is gonna happen because of this uh sandy hook shooting um and
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the way he phrases this is very interesting oh they're gonna hype this up and i predict there'll
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be some more school shootings now from real nuts because because when they hype this stuff it
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creates copycats yes i agree so that was uh that was uh grathwold saying i agree but alex is saying
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that if they hype this up there will be real nuts that shoot up schools have we seen any examples of
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him pointing out these real nuts or have all school shootings they've all been fake nuts since
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then but even take that aside the implicit thing that he's saying is that this one isn't a real
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nut absolutely there will be later real nuts who are inspired by this but this is not a real nut
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um which i mean you should you just have to cut through a little bit of what he's saying without
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saying it and realize like this is the argument he's trying to put forth absolutely um so at this
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point in the show alex takes a call from somebody whose cousin is a teacher at sandy hook elementary
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and i don't know if that's true no idea if that's true yeah could be it sounds like a it sounds
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the benefit of the doubt the benefit of the doubt is not given to an infowars listener giving us
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second-hand information from a cousin uh who may or may not be a teacher i'll say that i will never
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act on the information that's being provided by this guy yeah but in terms of infowars callers
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who present like uh like a story for themselves uh-huh he didn't give me any red flags i'm willing
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to believe that his cousin does work okay at the school all right then i'm in but unfortunately he's
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really defensive uh about the idea that like he thinks it's fake and other people are not thrilled
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that he thinks it's oh that's not good let's go to uh gary who has a cousin who is a teacher at
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the school thanks for holding give us your information sir uh this country is going to hell
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basket alex i agree all right i'll try to make it quick i was in the barbershop i got a text message
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from my phone about a shooting at an elementary school i live in new york i went to college in
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connecticut so i called my roommate who i went to school with to make sure his daughter was okay
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and then he told me that the school was in newton he was in um in willowbury and then my mom texted
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me and she said oh my god that's carrie school carries my cousin so i i told him to put the news
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on i say i i know that we want to doubt all of alex's callers and what have you so far this is
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believable and especially the way he's like that's carrie's school carries my cousin exactly that
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exactly that sort of thing that is not how your brain works when you have a script for sure that
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or or some sort of a thing you're pitching or like hey this is the story i want to tell oh i realize
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that detailed you have no idea who carrie is yeah that kind of is how people communicate at this
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point in time his his story passes the smell test i can believe him on the facts and also disbelieve
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him on the interpretation oh boy that i'm fine with at the barbershop and they said oh i bet
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you're going to think it was an inside job and i said i'm not saying that it was but i wouldn't
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put it past them and they were like why would they kill innocent children and i said excuse me i said
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abortion vaccines and poisoning food and water these people are safe yeah yeah why did hitler
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blow up the rice tag to get control why did government stage these things to get our guns i
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mean why can't people get that through their head so he's reinforcing this caller who may or may not
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have a cousin who worked at the school yeah who thinks it's a false flag because of listening to
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alex and people at the barber shop are like hold on why would you think that it's not crazy to
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think that that's not good yeah i don't that should be uh like trying to bring this lower
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as opposed to reinforcing this guy's ideas yeah so far the only heroes in this story are uh
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uh the people at the barbershop who are like you're fucking crazy dude so that's really weird
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like he's like responding to these people who are dealing with it like that guy is dealing with some
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shit like on a personal level that he's not really even bringing to the show he's got to be struggling
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and in the sense that like his cousin was a teacher there right he has a connection to the
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community he went to college in connecticut that that sort of thing and alex is like yeah man of
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course of course you'd be suspicious of things right it's all reinforcing the uh like the prelude
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to saying it's fake and i know it's it's such a tease and there isn't necessarily a strong payoff
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to even when we're going to end this episode yeah of of him being like fuck it it's fake or anything
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but that is what he's doing that caller is interesting because because of his personal
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connection he knows that it is real because his cousin is a teacher there so his concern his text
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to all of his family members and to his friends from college are from a very real place of this
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did happen these kids were killed he's not in the fall he's he's in the false flag but in that
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all the kills all the kids were actually murdered it's not crisis actors or anything like that yes
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so it's fascinating for him to call in when we know that alex is going to later say that all of
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these people were crisis actors right because he's getting firsthand like that borderline you know
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second-hand hearsay from a first-hand source that everybody really is dead but that but you know
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but that's the difficulty of being a conspiracy theorist because there are so many conspiracy
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angles you could take yeah and and maybe that's part of alex's ambivalence is that like where is
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the line i draw on this actors or is it that the globalist just put the shooter into the school
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yeah or is it that he was a real shooter and then they covered it up and are exploiting it doesn't
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quite know exactly what lane to take yeah and i mean on one level you just want somebody to be
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straight up and like deal with the facts as they're coming in there's talk of there being
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two shooters we'll see if the facts eventually bear that out that sort of like straight reporting
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yeah then there's another version that is alex pure self that is fucking aggressive and just i
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don't give a shit this is fake fuck you if you think it's real go fuck yourself this is the
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globalists and he's not doing either of those he's playing the fence because he needs to bide his
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time and it's because exactly what you said uh hour and a half ago that he knows it's real yeah
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and there is a part of him that is super guilty about the idea that he knows he's going to do
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what he does yeah from a very like i i suppose purely practically moral questioning standpoint
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is it worse if he knows it's real and then lies about it or is it worse if he doesn't know it's
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real and lies about it i mean i guess do you know what i mean like uh are you a utilitarian like
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from a from a very utilitarian moral standpoint like what is more damaging well i mean if the
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utilitarians generally view the result as being what determines the morality of what happens so
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it doesn't matter it'd be equivalent yeah but for me i would say that knowing what you're doing it
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makes it it does seem worse right yeah like the end result is equivalent in terms of like
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knowingly doing this or fumbling like mr magoo into accidentally doing it right uh it doesn't
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really like the end result is the same the damage done is the same yeah but if you know what you're
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doing you are there is a will behind it there is a there and it's what we talk about all the time
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the idea of people who are bad actors who come from a bad faith position yeah like it that is
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intrinsically uh wrong i believe yeah and i mean that's enshrined in our legal system that that
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slander that libel is intent intent oh it does come into uh legal definitions yeah i think i
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think i think yeah for sure i think we've proven that alex's intent is to lie about this i i don't
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know if we've proven it but we've seen strong indications fair enough like i i know that i'm
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the guy well we don't have dna evidence that he's doing it but i'll be god damned if this doesn't
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present a damning picture i ruined the fun of a lot of these things because just like just trying
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to be like well hold on i know that i as i say it i know that there's a real good chance we will be
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able to prove that but at this point i don't think we can i think that what we have is very very very
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strong indications right that he wants to lie about this and his vestigial uh organ that
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controls his decency and humanity yeah is stopping him in some way yeah yeah that clip that we saw
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where he the vestigial tail that he has with human emotion inside of it the three vertebrae
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that stick out from his ass a little bit too far yeah his uh his weird uh uh what's that
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uh thing that everyone gets removed tonsils his tonsils of morality is that where he keeps his
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morality it must be yeah but that's what you saw in that clip where he paused for like 20 seconds
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after saying i'm gonna tell you the truth for sure for sure that's the struggle that you see
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and i'm not saying struggle in a noble way because it's a struggle in the wrong direction oh hell no
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no no no that's it's a struggle it's you still see a struggle here that's what i didn't expect
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to find like when i looked back on this uh like what i expected to see because i listened to the
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boston bombing episode and he immediately is like this is the fucking feds he's right going hard on
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that like right like as it happens he's just like fuck it fuck it right which is like this is the
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turning point because the boston bombing was after this exactly this is the point where he had that
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had that like moral here are two paths to go down it's possible that's the case you know yeah and
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maybe that's what you don't expect to see like you go back to the actual day and one of the things
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i'm super grateful for is that this isn't as gross as it could have been because i did expect to hear
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that boston bombing episode but about this yeah yeah and on some level i kind of am glad that
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he is this wishy-washy ambivalent whatever like i you can hear him obviously saying that i want
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to say this is fake right but not like demonizing these children yet it is it is so much like this
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is the day that anakin kills the younglings like this is that moment we're watching this man
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go towards the dark side and be uh irredeemable he was dark before though i know but like so
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was anakin that's true that's true yeah i mean i don't look and again all it killed all the
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sand that's not my favorite metaphor but yeah i mean there is there is your favorite metaphors
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are never star wars metaphors and i've made like five references tonight i prefer doom
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do you like a dune metaphor all right so what about the sand worm but when it was cool
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is that our t-shirt now yeah
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that would be a great t-shirt what about the sandworm but when it was cool you know
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oh shy halud when will you ever i do think it's interesting because i do think there's
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a demarcation point for sure like and i do think that this is part of it
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like i think that i think that when you accept uh lying about sandy hook for opportunistic reasons
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you definitely put yourself in a position where like you are you're you're too far gone yeah
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yeah i think that it might be uh that i think yeah i think it's possible that that is where he did
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enter a realm of like which makes i have no soul right which makes this doubly fascinating in that
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this might actually be the one moment that really delineates the alex of the past that we talked
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about in 2009 who was uh still an asshole and still monstrous but he was also that whimsical
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asshole who was monstrous sure to the alex that we experience now which is the irredeemable
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cock bag i mean it's entirely possible and we'll see i don't know we'll see i think it's very
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interesting um that i don't know what i don't know what it is because it's too simplistic to say that
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there are shreds of nascent humanity here because i think that there's also a decent chance and we
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should call ourselves out about this we are probably giving way too much credit to silence
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or or what agreed agreed those moments when he's being like right like that we're pretending that
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that's him stopping himself that's our interpretation of it and of course there's there's
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there's there's just based on our understanding of him right and our our research and experience
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with him but we could also be wrong and be giving way too much of a benefit of the doubt to him
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right and it could just be that he's trying to figure out where's the money here where is the
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money angle for sure he could be just restraining himself because it's like look i'm gonna fucking
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find a way to like market this yeah what is the best way to do it i don't wanna i don't want to
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say x if y is more profitable and i'm not sure which is yet gotta gotta dance around both agreed
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it's possible that's such we don't know that's such a great point because part of our implicit
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bias is always going to be towards the this is a human being yeah you know like we're or operating
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from human impulses right right like it's it's so much easier for us to empathize with the the guy
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that we talk about on a daily basis for several years now if he has that moment of like long pause
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because he experiences empathy look it's good it's so much harder relate right right exactly
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it's so much harder for us to actually really finally put the nail in the coffin of this is a
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human without human empathy or impulses or anything whatsoever because if this if that pause is purely
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profit-based then this is a non-human like this is a this is a pure serial killer you know what
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i'm saying it's a salesman who doesn't care about the consequences i i know but that's a serial
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killer more or less yeah so at this point in the show alex is like he's taken some calls and he's
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done his business talking to people about right sandy hook and what have you of course but he has
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a report he has a special report that he uh and erin dykes have put together about the mayan
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apocalypse uh that's coming up thank god it's december 2012 and so the 21st is whenever it's
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gonna go down and so he right in the middle like towards the end of the show he does this he throws
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to this like five minute special report could there be a worse day for it to fall on deaf ears
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i think that he just put so much work into doing it right that he's like there's no goddamn way
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that i'm not playing this we're not bumping it and then secondarily i think he's like
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the news i'm out of my league yeah i i'm yeah i'm fucking this up right i am uh like there's
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more information coming out i need to get off air so he just goes to uh this special report
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we're gonna skip this network right coming up because this news is so important plus we have
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this report we've worked on for weeks breaking down the fact that 2012 december 21st is not the
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end of the world we've got this that erin dykes put together with myself we're gonna air that in
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a moment he skips a break in order to play this special report wow and spoiler alert it's just a
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the mayans uh didn't say that it was the end of the world but guess what chimeras no yeah not
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chimeras vaccines wait did the mayans invent chimeras no it's just a special report he's like
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the mayan apocalypse shit is bullshit but also be afraid of all the things i tell you because they
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could destroy the entire world i'm really surprised by that yeah it's one of those weird things it's
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like he's trying to tell you to uh be hey be cool about this don't yeah don't don't get into
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sensationalism you know who's afraid of the mayan apocalypse liberals liberals don't get into that
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fear i have a better fear it's that the government holy shit and it's but not snakes it's a super
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long report it goes across a commercial brick and then in the final minutes of the show alex says
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this to try and like bring things home a little bit teacher's son 24 shoots dead 29 including 22
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children at connecticut elementary as he and second shooter massacre cowering students in the
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worst school shooting in american history and that is a inside job right there either way you cut it
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i bet money that woman was a super liberal i bet money because that's what i said i said i bet he's
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in his 20s a big video gamer a trendy i said that to jakari and melissa melton and david knight back
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there in their office and uh they're like yeah he's 20 something yeah and then we found his photo
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and you know it may just be a nut uh maybe staged you know they're gonna use it though heaven help
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us uh but the media is saying here's the guy's photo but then there's other photos of a guy with
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the same name who knows who knows hey if your angle is who knows don't say these sorts of things
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if your angle is who knows then you can't be speculating that this might be fake
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you can't do both of those things and that's what he's doing he's trying to play both sides
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and the reason he's doing that is because he believes it was fake and he just is unwilling
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to say it we have one last clip and that is how he ends the show and it is just more
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well notice notice it didn't happen the last few years and now that obama's coming in with gun
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control magically these shootings are popping up uh i mean heaven help us folks pray for no copy
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catch pray for no copy catch that's literally the end of the show this didn't happen and now
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obama's second term is starting and as he's already said earlier he wants to take your guns
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so of course this is happening in order to take your guns the implicit piece behind that is obama
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and whoever his minions are uh behind the scenes made this happen in order to give them an excuse
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to take your guns i think like i mean on on on one very substantial level there is no reason for us
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to do uh further investigation because at the beginning of this episode i told you one of the
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only other targets that really makes sense is alex's uh uh modern day perception that he tries to
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put forth that he just he thought it was going to happen but he doesn't think it's going to happen
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that he just he thought it was real but then these other forces led him astray people like wolf gang
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helbig right wolf gang helbig has nothing to do with this episode he didn't show up at all even
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steve pochenik didn't show up at all yeah alex on his own accord is talking himself into believing
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this is fake agreed by his own instincts on the episode the day of sandy hook 100 i don't think
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this investigation i mean it it's it's a closed case already i want to continue with it to see
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where it develops from here because i know that his narratives are going to get worse yeah once
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he starts to get those quote-unquote anomalies that he talks about like uh anderson cooper's
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nose and what have you yeah yeah it'll be interesting to see how bad it gets but the day
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it happened he spent all of his time trying to insinuate and indoctrinate his audience into
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thinking it's fake yeah he has no uh room to breathe on this at all nope one of the reasons
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that i am i am interested in this is because just like when we started the show just like when we
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did 2015 and just like when we did 2009 i am all of a sudden asking myself all over again who the
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fuck is this guy who the fuck is this guy he's a chameleon what are you doing he's a chameleon
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you're not acting like 2017 alex jones you're not acting like 2015 alex not really you're not acting
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like 2009 alex jones who the fuck are you he's 2012 alex jones oh ridiculous strange strange
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nefarious he's like a chameleon if all the shades were bad yeah is that a shade of that's a new
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emotion that i've been doing lately just bad i don't might be a new one to him too yeah i'm
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interested to see where this goes i have no fucking idea how bad this is gonna get and i
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apologize in advance if it gets really bad it's gonna get really bad but for now i think i think
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what we walk away from this first episode with is a very very clear sense that from the first second
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that he knew this was real bad yeah because at the beginning of the episode he didn't know how bad it
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was and he didn't give a shit right but once he knew how bad it was every impulse that he had was
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say it's fake fight and then weird parts of himself were fighting against yeah overly
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committing yep i think we'll get some clues uh as we go forward as to why he restrained himself
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i hope i fucking hope because otherwise that's gonna fucking keep me up at night yeah but we'll
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see anyway jordan we have a website do we yep is it uh fillyourhand.com it that is a place you can
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go to that will redirect to knowledgefight.com that's correct we're also on twitter it's at
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knowledge underscore fight you bet uh also we are at uh uh facebook we're at facebook yep that's
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right we have a group called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant where people point
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out that i don't know what a goddamn fuck ebony is you are really upset about that i'm so stupid
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i i it's like it looks like a rock it's so it's such a massive blind spot to me that i never even
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considered looking into it looks like a rock infuriating ebony sculptures they look like rocks
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legitimately feel the dumbest i've ever felt in my entire life it's okay man i know own it accept
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it move forward i do i'm wrong i'm an idiot we're also on itunes we we are on itunes and overcast
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from what i hear uh i've said it in the past i've said it in the past um so guys thank you all for
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uh so much for listening we appreciate it and uh we'll be back with another episode on friday um
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i'm not sure it might actually be another sandy hook episode oh boy i might be just this might
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be a barreling we might finish this investigation in two weeks it's possible i'm super not
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interested in whatever he's doing in the present day he's already told people like it's time to
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kill soon you don't know it when you see it what the fuck else are we gonna find that's gonna be
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like shocking i suppose i suppose the day when he says it's time to kill now he'll never do that
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yeah he knows better at the end of at the end of the day he's a coward yeah politically politically
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it's time to kill whatever i'm not sure i'm not sure the present uh oh has any interest to me
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yeah so there's decent chance friday might be another fucking sandy hook thing because i want
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to see where this goes um but uh until then i will say that larry grathwall is a real piece
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of shit no he did kill people he was gonna say he was in fucking numb i really don't think i
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don't think we have anyone on this episode who has not killed a guy bel air's was tertiary
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involved in this episode because of larry grathwall i don't believe that bel air's has
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ever killed anybody i'll give him the credit that he's never killed anybody absolutely
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but one guy technically has and that's alex jones andy in kansas you're on the air thanks for holding
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hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you
