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Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Jordan.
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I'm Dan.
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How does, how do we do the show again?
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It's a podcast where we like to-
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Hi. It's a podcast where we talk a little bit about Alex Jones. I know nothing about Alex Jones.
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Jordan!
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Yeah.
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Jordan.
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Yes.
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Jordan.
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Yes.
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I got a question for you.
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Hi. Hi Dan.
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I got a question.
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What's that?
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All things considered, do you think that the dirty South or the Midwest was a better place
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for hip hop in the late 90s or the 2000s?
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All things considered.
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All things considered.
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All things considered.
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Dirty South or the Midwest.
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I mean, I'm going to be honest with you Dan. The Midwest has not had anything going for hip hop for
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a, you know, up until about 10 years ago.
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Tell that to Murphy Lee.
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So I'm going to go with the dirty South on this one.
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Tell that to my man City Spud.
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Dan, let me tell you something. When I was growing up in Missouri-
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Tell that to DJ Crucial Hyphenal.
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I knew a ton.
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What about Kanye? What about Colin?
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I'm just fucking kidding.
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The Midwest had a lot.
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Well, Kanye started out writing for Jay-Z and that was in New York.
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Oh, that's true. But he was also doing production.
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He didn't rep Chicago until like, I don't know, what, 2002, 2004?
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You might be right.
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That's when Jesus Walks went wild.
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Yeah, you might be right.
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So there's that.
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And then, of course, there's also Common.
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There's so many people.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm just saying that it wasn't until the early 2000s.
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But the St. Lunatics, Nelly, Murphy Lee,
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all those people coming out of St. Louis were great.
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What about my man-
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St. Louis is the dirty South.
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What about my man-
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Let's be honest about St. Louis.
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I don't think Tech 9 is-
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No, not Tech 9.
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All right, to the dirty South.
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You know who's not in the dirty South?
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Our new donors.
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Oh, that's great.
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I'd like to-
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Great transition.
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Thank you, Dan.
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I'd like to give that a shout out to some policy wonks.
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First off, Sean, you're a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks, Sean.
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Thank you very much, Sean.
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Karen, you are a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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This one's my favorite.
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We've got Tasty Trollbait.
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You're a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Tasty Trollbait.
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All righty.
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And Michael B, you're a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Coming in hard.
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Coming in hot at the regular policy wonk level is also Allison.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Allison.
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Thank you very much, Allison.
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So, Dan, we're doing this backwards.
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Yes, we are.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if everybody's, I think everybody's like, at this point, I think everybody is
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thinking like, okay, when are you guys going to stop fucking around and do the show?
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Yeah, I think that we did that about as well as we could have given the circumstances.
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You think I would, after doing this podcast for two years, I would remember the things
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that you say every single time.
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Yeah, you would think.
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Yeah, that's interesting to me how little you internalize or listen.
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It's actually kind of scary.
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I think almost everybody who listens to the show probably could rattle off exactly how
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our opening goes.
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I don't know.
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Apparently not the other guy who does the show.
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I don't know.
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It's one of those things where it's like, I've heard it so much.
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It's just kind of this assumed thing.
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Right, right, right.
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Where I'm familiar with my rhythm, but I have no idea what yours sounds like.
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You have no business knowing what it is.
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I don't.
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I'm not the host of the show.
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No, but you are today.
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Hey, all right.
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So we talked about this a while, like the ideas of like, how would it work or what would
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it look like were you to step into the Dan chair?
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Metaphorically, because I'm still in the same fucking chair.
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But what would it look like if you were to take over an episode and you came up with
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an idea and ran with it?
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And I'm very excited to see what you bring to the table, because quite frankly, I don't
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have to do shit.
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Yeah, I know.
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It interrupts you.
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Isn't it good?
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It's great.
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It's a weird feeling.
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I don't know.
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I don't know how I feel about it, but.
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I don't know.
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We'll see.
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This could be a disaster.
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Could be.
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But it's a wacky Wednesday, so why the fuck not, Dan?
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Right, take risks.
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Dan.
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Yes.
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I don't know if you or any of our listeners know this, but climate change is kind of a
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thing for me.
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It's fake news.
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It's kind of one of those things that I think about a lot.
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Carbon taxes, solid Al Gore scam.
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I think it's pretty important.
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All right.
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So today I have brought to you something and you need to play the out of context drop.
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Is Mars getting cooler?
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There's one of those planets who's getting cooler.
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There weren't any STVs.
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I take that to mean he's asking, did Mars get some new shades?
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Is Mars trying to be Spuds McKenzie?
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That's right.
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Pretty cool.
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That's right.
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We're talking about Pat Robertson.
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Oh shit.
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We're not talking about Pat Robertson.
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Okay.
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Absolutely not.
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I just like how stupid he is and it's spectacular.
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He is.
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We are doing an interview that Mark Moreno did with Pat Robertson.
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Do you know who Mark Moreno is?
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I'm familiar with that name.
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I don't know too much about him, but I know of him.
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Yeah.
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He is the head editor and pretty much only writer and the only guy who really runs climatedepot.com.
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Oh, okay.
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I think I might have run into him vaguely in some old episodes of Alex.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think so.
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I'm almost certain.
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I think so for sure.
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So this guy is, for me, different from our usual cast of characters because this guy
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is a complete sleazeball.
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Like this is not...
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Wait, wait.
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That's different?
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No, no, no, no.
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So our different con men are all trying to...
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They're all going it alone.
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They're all shooting out for themselves.
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They're all trying to run their own scams, right?
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Yeah.
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This dude is gun for hire all the way.
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This guy does not believe a goddamn word he is saying.
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He has found his little niche, he gets shit tons of money for it, and he fucking sucks.
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It is brutal.
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Seems right in our wheelhouse.
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Yeah.
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I read his book.
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It's called The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change.
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And he genuinely should not get an author credit on the book that he wrote because he writes this.
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Here's an example of his book.
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And then this guy said, long quote, and that proves what this guy said, long quote.
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And that's what this guy said, long quote.
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See?
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That's it.
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He's more of a compiler than an author.
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He is a quote miner of the worst variety.
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And he has given an interview with Pat Robertson that...
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That's what this episode is?
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This dude talking to Pat Robertson?
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Uh-huh.
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Oh, boy.
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You gotta hear this sleazeball because I think by the end of this, you will know for a while
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you will know for a fact that he does not give a fuck.
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Are we on the 700 Club?
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What's going on?
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I have no idea.
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I did not look into Pat Robertson's side of this interview at all.
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I don't give a fuck about what he has to say.
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I hate Mark Moreno.
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So that is how I'm going to lead you into this first clip where Mark Moreno says something
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brilliant.
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Miami is actually sinking.
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It's called subsidence.
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But there's no acceleration in the global sea level, so you cannot link that to man.
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Mankind is always battling the shores.
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Sea levels have been rising for 10,000 plus years since the end of the last ice age.
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Dan?
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Jordan?
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Man has always been battling the shores.
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I like that turn of phrase.
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I don't like the context of it necessarily, but I like it.
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Maybe he should be an author.
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That's a pretty good use of words.
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Man has always been battling the shore, Dan.
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Right.
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Now, do you think what he said makes any sense?
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No.
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I mean, sure.
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Sure, as words strung together as sentences, yes.
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But I don't know if it proves what I assume is his thesis, that man isn't doing anything
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that's causing climate change.
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I don't think it has anything to do with, like, his clauses don't actually connect to
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each other.
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You know, like, Miami is sinking and there's no acceleration of the global sea level, so
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you can't link it to man.
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That doesn't make sense.
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Is it sinking really?
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Is that what you would call it?
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No.
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Okay.
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It is not sinking.
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I wanted to check in on that.
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Yeah.
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Venice is sinking.
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Mm hmm.
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Yeah.
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Miami is...
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What do you think Miami's doing?
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Being overwhelmed.
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Yeah.
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It's different, because sinking...
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You have to go down for it to be sinking as opposed to water coming up.
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Yep.
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So that's a problem, just off the bat.
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Battling the shores, I can't get over it.
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You can't get over it?
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That's a good...
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You like it?
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Yeah.
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What do you see?
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Visual metaphor.
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I see, like, a Norse Viking stabbing a rock.
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Just like hitting a beach with a trident.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Something like that.
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He's not fighting the water, he's actually fighting the shore itself.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Sword fight with the beach.
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Too much sand!
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How do you think rocks got that small to make sand?
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Oh, man has been battling the shore.
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Shore battles.
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You bet.
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All right, so we do believe in anthropogenic...
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Beach change.
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Beach change.
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Yes, 100%.
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The thing is, he is wrong in content and in deed and word and everything.
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I don't even know...
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What do you mean, man has been battling the shore?
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I think what he means to say is that, like, we've been fighting against rising water for
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our entire time on Earth.
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That's what he thinks.
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I think that's what he's trying to articulate.
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I don't know if that's true.
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Well, Miami is not sinking.
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I will tell you this right now.
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Miami is actually being completely and utterly destroyed by climate change.
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So the reason is, Miami is built almost entirely on limestone, and that's where they get their
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fresh water from.
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It's called the Biscayne Aquifer, and this naturally kind of filters the water and keeps
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water fresh.
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As the seawater rises, that gets covered by salt water.
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So salt water is seeping into the drinking water.
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The estimate of...
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That's not good, right?
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No, it's not good.
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You can't drink salt water.
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The estimate from the NOAA says that a rise of about a foot of seawater will pretty much
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end drinking water in Miami.
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Hmm, I mean a foot, that's not unthinkable.
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No, that's not a ton.
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And in fact, prior to a NASA study in 2018, everybody thought that the regular rise of
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the sea level was going to be linear.
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There's going to be a steady gradual rate.
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In 2018, a NASA study by Steve Narum, I think, Narum, started referencing different satellite
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data, cross-referencing it with all kinds of other different measurement techniques to
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see exactly how fast the sea level has been rising since the 1990s.
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And it is not progressing at a linear rate.
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No.
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It is increasing by about 6% since 1990 every single year.
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So it's almost exponentially curved.
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Exactly.
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It is a geometric progression, not a linear one, which is why I am very, very unhappy
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with everybody because they're still operating under so much of that.
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Like in a hundred years, by 2100, it will have risen by a foot.
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You hear that from people with, you know, weird funders.
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You hear that sort of rhetoric a lot.
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Yeah.
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The A, you're being alarmist seems to come from people who have links to the fossil fuels
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and tobacco lobbying interests.
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We will see a few of those characters pop up.
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Can we get back to Miami for a second?
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Sure.
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See, here's what makes it worse if Miami ruins that drinking water thing.
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Like, because, you know, a lot of survivalists, well, that's a problem, but like a lot of
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survivalists, what they do is they'll set up like, you know, tarps on their house and
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catch rainwater.
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And from a very reputable source, I have heard that in Miami, you can't see a drip on the
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strip.
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It's a trip.
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It does not rain in Miami, but on the plus side, there's ladies half-dressed and fully
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equipped, yelling about how they loved your last hit.
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Are you, I'm disappointed that you're not still going.
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You're so happy with yourself.
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Oh boy.
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Oh boy.
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Okay.
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Well, the thing is, based on their study, which, and I would say, even according to
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Narum's own quote, that is a conservative estimate, that increase of about 6% each year.
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It is risen from what they thought the estimate would be about 2.5 millimeters per year to
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now it's looking like it's going to rise by about 3.4 millimeters per year as we continue
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along.
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That's a conservative estimate.
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That means that basically in about 25 years, if the conservative estimate is right,
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sea level will have risen by about half a foot.
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Not good.
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Not good.
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Not good.
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So that means that in less time than that, sea level will have risen by a foot and Miami
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or less time than the 2100 date.
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Right.
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Miami will be unlivable.
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No more women who are half-dressed and fully equipped.
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Nope.
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Will Smith will not be able to go to Miami.
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No one will be saying Bienvenido Ami Ami.
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Rich people will still be able to go to Miami.
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They will be able to buy and have their drinking water shipped in.
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That's yeah.
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But everybody who lives there, Miami is going to go.
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Now that we know that Miami is going to go around.
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We got to talk about who is trying to fix it.
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We got to talk about the environmental movement that is trying to take this and solve this
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problem.
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Do you know who owns the environmental movement, Dan?
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Oh, George Soros.
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George Soros for sure.
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But who did he take it from?
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So Soros does own the modern environmental movement.
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You bet.
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Of course.
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He's sending those eco-terrorists all over the place trying to get people to stop buying
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gold.
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He hates it.
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Hates it.
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Hates it.
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That's why he stole the modern environmental movement from the right, Dan.
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Oh.
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Mark Moreno has made it clear that the modern environmental movement was hijacked by the
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left.
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Let me ask you when that happened.
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Was it around the civil rights era?
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It was, Dan.
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Curious.
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Yeah.
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Curious.
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But do you know who started it in the first place?
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Oh, let me guess.
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George Wallace.
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No, he did not.
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It was, a lot of people credit the modern environmental movement having been started
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by a guy named Aldo Leopold.
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And he was dope as shit.
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I know that name.
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Yeah.
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He was this, he was like an 1880s dude.
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You know those dudes, except for all of his siblings didn't die?
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Like all of his siblings survived.
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He was that guy who's like, I'm four years old.
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So it's time for me to set out on my own in the forest.
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Right.
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Befriend all the animals there.
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He was top of his class in school, then was top of his class in the next school.
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And then he decided to go to Yale, right?
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Why did he choose Yale?
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Let me guess.
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I don't know.
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Because the year earlier they had started a forestry program.
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Oh, cool.
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So he went to Yale to become the thing that he was when he was four years old.
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The very new discipline of forestry.
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Of being him.
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Sure.
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And then he got a job working for the forest service.
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He's out there in the middle of the forest.
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Tickling bears.
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He's like 22.
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Right.
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Back then he wasn't.
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No.
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Back then he wasn't.
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Do you know what he was doing?
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Shooting bears.
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Ah, rude.
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Shooting bears.
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So rude.
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He's out in the forest shooting bears.
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Celebrating his second amendment right to shoot bears.
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Shooting lions.
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Yeah.
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Shooting mountain lions.
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Sometimes mountain lions gotta go.
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Sometimes they gotta go.
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Yeah.
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Wolves?
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You're shooting wolves, man.
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That's almost man's best friend.
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That's true.
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Very similar.
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He correctly decided after spending all of his time among predators, hunting them,
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he started being like,
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these fucking dudes are actually pretty cool.
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I like these predators more than I like these asshole ranchers telling me to kill them.
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So he starts becoming a conservationist.
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Right.
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Starts writing.
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He starts tickling bears.
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He's absolutely tickling bears.
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Then he's Dr. Doolittle-ing it.
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Right.
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He's going out in the forest.
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He's got his wolf buddy over here.
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He's got his bear.
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There's a famous picture of him.
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They're all holding hands together.
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It's beautiful.
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And he is just hog wild with this.
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Um, that is the guy who started the modern environmental movement.
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In the 1950s and 60s, everybody read.
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And he was on the right.
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Uh, no.
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Oh, okay.
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No, no, no, no.
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Because like back before, you know, the, the civil rights era, there were like conservative
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and liberal people in both parties.
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Right.
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There were wings of each party that had, so like the idea that someone who was maybe a
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little bit more liberal or progressive could have been a Republican back then.
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Oh, absolutely.
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That sort of thing.
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You know, so I, I wouldn't have been totally surprised.
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Right.
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But that's also one of those things where it's like, do you think the Dixiecrats were
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on the left or the right?
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I mean, spiritually, they're on the right as we understand it now.
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But look, I'm, I was, I'm just saying that why does this guy think, not Leopold?
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Why does his Moreno guy think that the, uh, environmental movement came from the right
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if the environmental movement came from Leopold?
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Where is the disconnect?
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There isn't one.
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He's just lying.
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Oh.
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He's just saying it.
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It's sort of like how Alex will say some from time to time that Martin Luther King was a
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Republican.
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Yep.
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That sort of thing.
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Yep.
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He'll just do this whole like, nah, all these guys, they were on the right.
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You're ruining it.
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Okay.
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You're fucking things up.
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So here we are at the beginning of the fifties and sixties, we're in the modern environmental
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movement.
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Mark Moreno has done his fucking research.
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All right.
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He knows what the problems are and he knows what the left thinks the solutions are.
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Other environmental scares, things like resource scarcity.
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We're going to run out of food.
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We're going to have famines.
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We're going to have overpopulation.
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There's too many people, the global cooling scare.
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And I show that those scares all have the same solutions they're proposing today.
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It was a different environmental scare, same solution.
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And the solutions are centralized planning, uh, wealth redistribution and, and sovereignty
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threatening, uh, international organizations.
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That smells like Alex.
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Yep.
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You know what though?
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Like maybe those are the solutions people suggest because they work.
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That is exactly right.
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I don't know.
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Maybe they're very effective at dealing with a broad spectrum of problems.
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Hmm.
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Now that can't be it.
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No, no.
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It's sovereignty threatening.
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My notes on that are literally just, uh, yep.
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You got it.
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I like knowing that Pat Robertson is just sitting there listening to him.
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That's kind of a fun visual.
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What, uh, what differentiates between the modern environmental movement and the archaic, uh,
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uh, environmental movement?
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Well, if you, if he wanted to really be, uh, that guy, he could probably say that Teddy
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Roosevelt could, it could have created the modern environment, create the national parks.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You can make that argument.
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You could make that argument.
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But, uh, again, that is not hijacking and that's not the modern environmental movement.
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Right.
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Like one of his big things about that.
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It's sort of a proto environmental.
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Exactly.
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Uh, so it didn't, it wasn't a party kind of situation.
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Uh, it was, uh, Teddy Roosevelt just really liked killing shit.
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Yeah.
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He's like, we better have some more of that shit when I need it.
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People, animals.
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He loved it.
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He was all about it.
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But yeah, he's, he's just describing the actual solutions to the problem.
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Yeah.
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That's what he's doing.
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Yeah.
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And he's doing it in this way of like, I'm making it sound like this is a bad thing.
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Because all of these scares were, I don't know.
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Does he think they were unfounded?
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I think that's what he's trying to convey.
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Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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When it's like, well, no, it just didn't solve the issues before they killed everybody.
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Or they get too out of control.
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Exactly.
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Cause we had to, and we used centralized power and sovereignty threatening measures.
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Pretty much.
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Yeah.
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Now, what we have done and what they were trying to do when they came to the Paris agreement.
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Remember when all those people were just making bullshit up about how toxic waste is bad?
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Remember that bullshit?
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Those propagandists out there saying you shouldn't, you shouldn't bathe in toxic waste and like
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medical waste should be disposed of in a particular way with regulations and shouldn't, you know,
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endanger going into the water supply and a bunch of, bunch of dumb globalists.
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The globalists trying to take away the second amendment.
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That's the whole thing.
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Yeah.
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I want my sovereignty to shoot the shore.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Take that.
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Take that.
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Yeah.
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So the Paris agreement of course is one of these sovereignty taking organizations.
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Oh, definitely.
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For sure.
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They want to steal everybody's sovereignty.
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Now, do you want to know exactly how expensive it is though?
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The Paris accord itself?
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Uh huh.
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Well, I mean, what is it?
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Like a hundred pages, probably 10 cents a page.
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It's about that.
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I don't know.
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Depends on if they went to a FedEx shop.
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Those, those copies are yeah.
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International rates.
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I don't know what it is in the pound, in the Euro.
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I don't know how expensive.
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I think the answer will surprise you.
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Okay.
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Well, that has been now analyzed and it's the most expensive treaty in world history.
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A hundred trillion dollars is the estimated cost.
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We're already spending a billion dollars, trillion dollars a day.
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Trillion?
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Incredulous Robertson.
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That's pretty much the only clip of Robertson you're going to hear.
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A hundred trillion?
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Yeah.
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I imagine he's fudging that number a little.
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A little bit?
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Yeah, maybe.
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How much?
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Uh, a lot.
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You think so?
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Maybe, I don't know.
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I mean, I assume that that's probably like just taking all sorts of weird things he could
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claim are the costs of the treaty.
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You know, that's just my instinct.
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Uh huh.
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But, uh, I think you probably know.
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Now, it feels weird, doesn't it?
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It feels weird not to know what somebody's saying.
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It's very threatening.
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I find it unsettling that I just have my instincts to go on.
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Ah, see, there we go.
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And a lot of Will Smith lyrics.
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I got plenty more, trust me.
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That's all you need.
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Yeah.
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You're going to go to Yale the moment they open the Will Smith program.
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I might go there and demand they start one.
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I think that's not it.
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I'll be the pioneer of it, like, uh, this guy was with forestry.
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What's that?
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What would that be?
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The, the modern Wild Wild West movement.
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It'd be, uh, Willennium studies.
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I'm a Willennial.
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Someone's made that joke before.
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Oh, for sure.
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For sure.
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Uh, this hundred trillion number comes from one guy.
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Please tell me it's Mark Moreno.
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Nope.
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Oh, no other scientists, no other, not scientists, no other accountant, no other, uh, anything.
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Said anywhere near a hundred trillion dollars.
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What's Nate Silver got on this?
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Exactly.
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He has not weighed in on the hundred year long cost of the Paris agreement.
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He's saying it's going to cost a hundred trillion dollars by 2100.
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Now, what does the, what he has described in, uh, Moreno's book as the Danish statistician
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Bjorn Lomborg.
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What does he have a PhD in?
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Forestry.
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Nope.
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Uh, Willennial studies.
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I wish.
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I don't know.
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He would be a much nicer guy.
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Probably.
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I'm guessing because you asked me the question, my gut tells me that it's not relevant to
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this.
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Political science.
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Okay.
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That's vaguely relevant, but not, it's not what you're looking for, for this, like accountancy
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or something like that is what you want, but business.
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He did not disclose, uh, what numbers he was taking.
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That seems unethical.
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What use, what amounts he was drawing from what countries?
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It's hard to peer review now.
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He released only a little bit of his method for coming up with this hundred trillion dollars.
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I used a pad and pen.
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Uh, pretty much.
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That's my method.
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Nobody knows what he plugged into the machine.
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I plugged into the machine, but his method was this.
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Um, I took the amount people are going to spend on it that I think they're going to
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spend on it.
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And I called it the cost.
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Oh, cool.
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That makes sense.
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Yeah.
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That checks out.
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Right.
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With no numbers.
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But that's also like saying the United States government is going to cost a hundred trillion
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dollars by 2100.
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Sure, sure.
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It's deceptive.
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But I mean, the point behind it is probably valid.
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It'll cost a lot of money in order to like, you know, retrofit things and, you know, invest
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in new technologies and stuff like that.
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But a lot of it will pay dividends of its own.
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Exactly.
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And that's not accounted for.
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Well, I mean.
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That's absolutely not accounted for.
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Oh, we absolutely know.
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The one method he did release was literally that.
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Yeah.
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I am just counting that.
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No deductions for, uh, uh, gains and new industries and nope.
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All right.
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And it's like, and it's just like, it's just like saying that the government costs $2 trillion
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a year when it's like, well, that money doesn't go away.
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Right.
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That money's not like, oh, it's given to the Paris agreement and they get to keep it.
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Right.
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This piece of paper is rich as shit.
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Right.
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It goes back into the people.
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So the net cost of it is actually going to wind up being not just less than a hundred
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trillion dollars, but it's going to be profitable.
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According to that money goes to businesses.
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Exactly.
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It goes to people who will then recirculate them.
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Ideally, ideally.
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Absolutely.
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That's another issue.
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Well, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think my favorite quote from Bjorn Lomborg is from a, so first off in the early 2000s,
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he was like, climate change is real.
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We got to do something about it.
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And then in the mid 2000s, he decided climate change was not real.
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Oh, and that was because of a large amount of money that was given to him.
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Weird, weird how that'll change your perspective.
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This is going to be a theme, but here's my favorite quote from Bjorn Lomborg.
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He did this in an interview with CBC radio in 2016.
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He said, and I can't do a Danish accent.
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Oh, I, I would, I would encourage you not to.
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I was going to do Alex's Bernie Sanders, but I think I'll just do that.
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Okay.
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Uh, most people die from cold deaths, not heat deaths.
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And so when temperatures increase, we're going to see about 400,000 more heat deaths because
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of global warming by mid century.
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You know, you hear a lot about those, but you're probably going to see 1.8 million fewer
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cold deaths.
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This guy gets it as it is now old people die of heat stroke all the time.
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Right.
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It happens very commonly.
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But old people freeze to death too.
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And what you don't hear about is that they freeze to death more often.
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They'll never freeze to death when the world is warm.
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That's sunny side thinking, I, I, I respect that.
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That guy, Bjorn's an optimist.
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He's like a glass is overflowing kind of guy.
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Cool.
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Cool.
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I do respect that.
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I wish I had a kernel of that in my life.
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That willingness to look at like complete catastrophe and be like, let's people go freeze
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to death guys.
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Isn't that cool?
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Well, it's also not true.
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I would assume.
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Because the places that people freeze to death are generally not because of the elements
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and stuff like that.
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It's often because they can't afford their heating bills.
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Exactly.
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Things like that.
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Because businesses are fucking melt.
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Yep.
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Generally, I've read a number of stories about stuff like that.
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And unfortunately there are a number of like homeless people who will freeze on the streets
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and stuff like that.
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And again, that's a systemic problem.
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That's not about how cold it is outside.
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It was negative 50 here.
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And if you had a place to be inside, it wasn't going to be the biggest deal in the world.
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And that was as cold as what?
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The top of Mount Everest.
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Yeah, but if it was global warming, you wouldn't even have to be inside.
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That's true.
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All right, Bjorn.
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Bjorn, you're a lot of fun.
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He is.
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He goes around and gives these interviews that are just him saying the dumbest shit.
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Right.
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Like that.
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What?
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He does not base the 400,000 number on anything.
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This is 100% something he pulled from thin air.
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He didn't like later on write a piece justifying the 400,000 number or the 1.8 million fewer
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cold deaths.
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He didn't even figure out how many cold deaths there are.
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I also don't think that those terms are very defined.
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No.
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Warm and cold deaths.
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Less people burn than are frozen into ice cubes.
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Yes.
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Air go.
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Global warming is good.
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Correct.
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Dumb.
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Oh, yeah.
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Now, here's the best part, though.
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Not only is Mark Moreno pointing out that the Paris Accord is far too expensive.
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Can't afford it.
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Can't afford 100 trillion.
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100 trillion.
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Fiscal responsibility, bro.
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Can't do it.
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But here's what's even worse.
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What's that?
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It wouldn't even do anything.
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Oh, no.
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Yep.
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Not only would it commit nations to lose sovereignty and start being essentially having
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to bow to a UN international organization, but it would have even if you trusted the
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UN science and Al Gore believed everything they said, it would have no impact on temperatures
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100 years from now.
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So it wouldn't even do anything.
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Cool.
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All right.
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Well, in that case, fuck it.
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Yep.
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Nope.
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He proved it right.
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Too expensive.
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Wouldn't do shit.
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Yep.
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I buy it.
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That's all he had to do.
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All right.
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He solved it.
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This has been great.
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Yeah.
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Unfortunately, what this is referencing, what he's referencing here is a 2015 MIT study.
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And what they did was the MIT put together the study of like, okay, let me start.
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The Paris Accord, the Paris Agreement is built on every five years, each country submits
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a new proposal, a new pledge.
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So the MIT study was if everybody just did what they did right now, if everybody just
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did for the five year, for forever, there would only be a 0.2 drop in degrees Celsius.
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So currently...
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That's still not nothing, even if that is all...
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Exactly.
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Hmm.
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Exactly.
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I see a problem.
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Now, what the MIT study also showed was that everybody involved in this is planning on
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not doing that.
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The entire point of the Paris Agreement is everybody is doing what they can for the first
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five years.
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Right.
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And then accelerating that.
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The five years is like a toe dip and then you're getting in the pool gradually.
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Exactly.
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Because you can't just, I mean, you're going to have to eventually now, but like it's very
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difficult to totally transition everything.
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Yeah.
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Like on a dime.
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Yeah.
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And it would be jarring for a lot of countries, especially with less stable economies.
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So you've got to dip that toe in.
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You can't cannonball that shit.
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Absolutely.
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Jackknife.
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And in a way, he's right.
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Like in a way, that does make sense.
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If all...
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What that really proves is the opposite of his point though.
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What that really proves is that MIT was putting together a thing that's saying, guys, this
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is a amazing thing that we've done.
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This is a promise amongst all nations to fucking try and survive.
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And what we need to make sure that you're doing with this five year proposal is ramping
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things up.
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Ramping things up.
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So the MIT put out the study to goose everybody into doing that.
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And assholes like Mark Moreno are taking those findings and saying, see, the Paris Agreement
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doesn't work.
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We don't need to do any of it at all.
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He's not saying, here's what we need to do instead.
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Here's what should be done.
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He's just saying, see, we can't do it.
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Everybody quit.
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He doesn't believe any of this shit.
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It seems like it would be hard to believe it based on just like what the sources he's
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pulling from.
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Or again, it comes down to that, like, if you've read this, you're lying.
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If you haven't read this, you're lazy.
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It's one of the two, and it seems like the prior is much more likely.
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Oh yeah.
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He has read all of it.
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But there is one big specter that we need to worry about, and it's one that our boy
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Larry Nichols has warned us about in the past.
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Oh no.
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Oh yeah.
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You don't mean?
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Uh huh.
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This is no more than medieval witchcraft.
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People believe that the United Nations and the United States EPA can regulate the temperature
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and control storminess.
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They used to believe that in the Middle Ages.
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Those witches can control weather.
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Those witches are causing crop failure.
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Now they're blaming our SUVs and our cars.
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Witches.
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Witches.
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Always witches.
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All right.
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I think that's lame.
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I mean, like, if you look into a lot of the history of witches and stuff like that, it
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was like just completely social oppression of women.
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Like it was a large piece of the story.
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Like women who didn't adhere to the roles that society said that they had to.
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They're oppressing our SUVs, Dan.
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That is true.
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They are oppressing SUVs.
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That is where, I mean, that's where you kind of get the sense of like, he knows he's talking
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to Pat Robertson.
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Oh yeah.
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And that is like, coming up with witches and stuff like that is really like in that wheelhouse
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of like, you know you're talking to a religious zealot.
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He's going to love to hear this stuff.
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Oh yeah.
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One who does not understand how big a trillion is.
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No.
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Absolutely not.
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No.
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But the good news is that nobody's really worried.
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You know, after you hear that information and all the information before, you can tell
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that nobody cares about climate change.
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It's too expensive.
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It's not going to make a difference.
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And it's just witches.
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Uh huh.
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The public hasn't bought this.
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According to Gallup polling, there's no change in concern, essentially, from global warming
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from the 1980s to now.
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Phrasing of that is interesting.
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A study performed by WIRE Wires, Climate Change, they're an organization that studies all these
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things.
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They've aggregated polls since the 1980s, which is when he's starting his bullshit,
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of course.
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And they showed a clear rise in awareness regarding climate change all the way up until
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2007.
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OK.
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What happened in 2007?
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Bjorn got a bunch of money.
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Yes he did.
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That's I've heard that.
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Uh, what was it?
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Is that Paris Accords?
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Nope.
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Oh.
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Paris Accords is 2015.
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OK.
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2007.
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I don't know.
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A man named Barack Obama started running for president.
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Sure.
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And a large amount of right wing propaganda was centered on tying him together with climate
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change in 2007.
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Everyone up until that point, everyone was becoming more aware of climate change and
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everyone across both parties was increasing their concern about that.
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In 2007, however, fears of climate change declined among the right only.
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Everyone, every other thing has gone completely up.
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There is a massive correlation between the propaganda blitz that was put together by...
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Guess who?
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Bjorn?
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No.
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I don't know.
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The fucking rich motherfuckers through organizations like Donors Trust.
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Sure, that's coke related.
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Oh yeah.
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This is from a fantastic blog called De Smog Blog, which doesn't have a great name,
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but it's pretty, pretty valuable as a resource for climate change funding.
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I've run into that site a number of times.
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Let's go through some of the things that they have funded.
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Dan?
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The Donors Trust?
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Uh huh.
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Oh boy.
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What do you think?
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I mean, I know a lot of things, stuff that we've talked about in the past on our show.
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Yeah, they get up to a lot of bad business.
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From 2002 to 2017, they gave Americans for Prosperity $30,962,331.
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Sure.
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Sure, they gave a bunch of money to the Heritage Foundation.
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Oh yeah.
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The Discovery Institute, the Mercatus Center, our big boys, Project Veritas.
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Lord Mocton, I'm sure, gets some...
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Oh, 100%.
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Freedom Works, I got about 4 million.
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These guys are in everything, and we're going to find out a little bit more about them later on.
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That makes sense though, because the Donors Trust and the Donors Fund
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are places where you hide the source of money, and it's very coke-related.
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And then Freedom Works and Americans for Prosperity are also coke-linked think tank funding networks.
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So it makes sense that they would just sort of shuffle money around that way.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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They have done that consistently, and they've created all of these things
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purely to get that propaganda to avoid this exact kind of situation.
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And hide where the money comes from,
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because it would delegitimize the messaging that they're trying to put in the world.
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Exactly.
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It's dirty.
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So Moreno's argument eventually comes down to just this.
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Yes, people have stopped worrying as much about climate change.
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Mainly because the people who give me money, because guess who he gives him a lot of money?
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Donors Trust.
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Oh yeah, started lying to people.
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That is exactly what happened.
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So his argument is, we've been incredibly effective at shifting the public opinion,
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and therefore you shouldn't care.
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Exactly.
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You got it.
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That's not good.
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I made people not care, so you shouldn't care.
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I guess it is sort of like a demonstration that people are kind of gullible.
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I don't know if that helps with the climate argument, but it is interesting.
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It really crushes it.
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But do you know it's even crazier than the fact that the Paris Agreements
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would cost a hundred trillion dollars, and they won't even be effective.
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And nobody even really cares about climate change.
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I've heard all this, I've internalized it, and I believe it.
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Well, this is going to blow your socks off.
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Okay.
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It's actually backwards.
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The world's going to get cooler.
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What?
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Yes, in fact, many scientists, including Russian scientists, solar scientists,
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are predicting a coming cooling.
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All right.
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That doesn't disprove anything?
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Nope.
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Seems irrelevant.
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No, it's going to get colder.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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What's going on?
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It's just, you heard him.
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Uh-huh.
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It's a coming climate.
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You seem weird.
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It's an ice age is coming.
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You seem weird.
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I'm just saying.
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Okay.
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I'm just saying.
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Ice age is coming.
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Now, on the other hand-
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Do you remember that movie Ice Age?
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John-Elic Wazamo did a voice?
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I do remember that.
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I worked at a movie theater when the first one came out,
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and all the commercials were just that character chasing the acorn, the little rat guy.
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And we had a district manager was in town, and he was given like a little meeting.
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And he's like, you guys excited about Ice Age?
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Like, I don't know, whatever.
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He's like, it's fun.
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You see those trailers of squirrel running after a nut.
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That happened 20 years ago, and it still sticks out in my brain.
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Like how dismissively he was trying to make us excited about Ice Age.
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Ah, squirrel runs around with a little nut.
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Chasing that nut.
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Ah, he's chasing that nut.
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How great is that?
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So from that, I'm excited that there's an Ice Age coming,
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because animals will talk, people will be chasing down acorns.
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Oh yeah.
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And animals, interspecies will bond.
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There'll be friendships.
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Absolutely.
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Which is very exciting.
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Which is the whole point of Leopold's work.
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Exactly.
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He wants to bring people together with bears and wolves.
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Tickle those bears.
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Oh, absolutely.
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The Ice Age is not coming.
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Oh.
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No, I'm sorry.
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The Ice Age bullshit comes from a few different sources.
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And let me give you an idea of their occupations.
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Dennis Leary.
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Pretty much.
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We have, predicting a coming Ice Age.
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A bookie.
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An astrophysicist.
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Okay.
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All right.
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That sounds pretty legit.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson?
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Uh, no.
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Neil. A meteorologist.
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That's almost something.
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Doppler Dave out of Columbia, Missouri.
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Exactly.
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And a mathematics professor.
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It might as well be Tom Skilling.
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It's actually a local guy.
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Is it?
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It's for real.
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Yeah, yeah.
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The meteorologist is like one of those local weathermen.
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The most prominent guy who is predicting the Ice Age is,
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uh, oh boy, this is going to be rough.
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Kabibullo Abdusimatov.
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Uh, he was the one who claimed that a mini Ice Age would begin in 2014.
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Mini Ice Age is like that trailer for the movie.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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It's a squirrel chasing a nut.
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Yeah.
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Do you think a mini Ice Age started in 2014?
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I mean, it was really cold last week.
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Uh huh.
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But no, I don't think so.
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I believe this year is just, 2018 was now the fourth hottest year ever recorded.
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Yeah.
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I mean, outside of those like two days that it was terrible here,
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it's one of the most mild winters that I remember experiencing in Chicago.
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Oh yeah.
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I know that doesn't prove anything like in terms of like the bigger picture, but it is,
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it is something.
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Oh yeah.
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The, the issue here is all of these guys, oh, oh, I'm sorry, hold on.
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I, I completely forgot to tell you this.
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Uh, Abdusimatov, um, oh man, you know what's crazy?
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What's that?
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He gets his money from donor stress.
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Oh boy.
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Oh yeah.
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Noticing a real trend here.
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Uh huh.
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Um, but you know what?
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You don't need to worry.
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You don't need to worry.
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I'm not worried.
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Well, because nothing unusual is happening.
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What?
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Me worry?
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We escaped the Ice Age.
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There was no big deal.
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That's true.
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Yeah.
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It's quite literally hundreds of factors that influence the climate.
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So right now they're trying to analyze what's going on.
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We're by some estimates, we're at a hundred year or more sunspot low activity.
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And many people are predicting a coming cooling.
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Just the last two years have seen a significant drop in temperature
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since the height of the last ocean cycle.
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See?
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Nothing to worry about.
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Yeah.
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Hundred year low of sunspot activity.
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Okay.
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Proved it.
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All right.
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Don't need to worry.
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I'm, I'm not worried.
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No, no, no, you shouldn't be worried.
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You're getting very defensive about how little I need to worry.
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You shouldn't be worried at all.
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I'm thrilled.
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No, no, no, no. And let me tell you something.
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Nothing unusual is happening.
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Nothing out of the ordinary.
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Wait, wouldn't the low, like the all time low of sunspot activity,
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shouldn't that in and of itself be abnormal?
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Nope.
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Nothing unusual.
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It's very, it's very normal for the sunspot activity to be a hundred years low.
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No, everything is happening normally.
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Nothing unusual is happening, whether it's hurricanes, floods, tornadoes.
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Extreme weather is actually on a stable or declining trend on climate timescale.
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It comes out of the sun, doesn't it?
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I mean, it just sounds old voices old comes out of the sun.
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Uh, the hurricanes come out of the sun.
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I don't know.
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I mean, I think that, uh, that's wrong, right?
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My data, the terms of like the severity of, uh, extreme weather that we've, we've seen
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over the last, I don't know, 10 years or so.
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I mean, it's been quite an escalation.
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Oh yeah, in not just that, but, uh, as the earth is warming, uh, in the past, uh, let's
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see between 1958 and 2007, the amount of rain falling in the heaviest storms has risen by
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nearly 20% in the States.
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Uh, that's the, uh, or no, I'm sorry.
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That's from 2007 to, uh, 2018.
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Mm hmm. That is 20%, uh, or no, I'm sorry.
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20% rise since then.
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That's three times as much as the rise between 1958 and 2007.
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So in 11 years, the amount of rain, uh, in the heaviest storms has basically tripled.
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I don't understand what you have against water.
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I don't know.
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Water is delicious.
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I don't know.
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What am I going to say?
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Now, according to the National Climate Assessment, uh, a team of more than 300 different experts
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in, uh, various fields relating to, uh, measuring extreme weather events, um, the Northeast,
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just the Northeast has seen a 74% increase in the amount of rain and snow falling in
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the heaviest storms.
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Mm hmm.
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Everywhere.
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Yeah, I mean, you see that in like Boston and New York have had those like really terrible
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blizzards.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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Now, does Mark Moreno cite anything?
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Wait, hold on.
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Yeah.
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I just remember that that song 10th Avenue Freeze Out by Bruce Springsteen that has a
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really great saxophone solo.
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10th Avenue Freeze Out.
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That song's about a fucking snowstorm.
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Air go, snowstorms have always been bad in New York.
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There's nothing to worry about.
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Absolutely.
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See what I'm saying?
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Yeah.
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100 year low in sunspot activity.
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That's how you know that hurricanes don't happen anymore.
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Look, if they're bad enough that the boss is going to write a song about it and how
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that's when he met the big man, Clarence Clemons, that means it's always been bad.
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It's always been bad.
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It's always been bad.
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This is all just, uh, much ado about nothing.
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Everything is cool.
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No.
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Everything that he is doing now is shit that he has written about in his bullshit book.
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Right.
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Um, do you know who he cites when he says, uh, when he says in the, in the book, this
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is true?
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First Springsteen, please say Bruce Springsteen.
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No.
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Clarence Clemons, please say Clarence Clemons.
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Uh-uh.
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His own website.
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Ah, yes.
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Yeah.
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That's the, that's the intellectual version of self-dealing.
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Yeah.
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No, he literally cites his own website for saying that extreme weather is stable.
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Well, that's something that Alex does, like, citing Infowars all the fucking time.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Do you understand why I picked this guy?
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Yeah, yeah, totally.
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There's a lot of connections.
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Oh, hell yeah.
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The same sort of, uh, intellectual ethical standards and stuff and yeah.
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He's just rambling off things, saying them assertively and calling it reality.
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It's, it's, it's painfully easy to trick someone like Pat Robertson.
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I don't think Pat Robertson does.
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I don't think he's being tricked.
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Yeah.
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I don't think Pat Robertson gives a fuck.
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No, no, no.
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He just needs to fill a show.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He's just old.
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Yeah.
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And wants that money.
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He wants a hundred trillion.
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But here's the craziest part.
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Just like Bruce Springsteen proved, of course, that it's always been bad.
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Absolutely.
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Scientists know that it's always been like that.
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And you know what else too that Bruce Springsteen taught us?
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What?
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That, that, that blizzard that caused the 10th Avenue freeze out.
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Yes.
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That song isn't really about the blizzard.
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What's it about?
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It's about meeting the big man.
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So if that storm hadn't happened, him and Clarence Clemons wouldn't have gotten together.
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The big man wouldn't have joined the band.
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1.8 million people are not going to freeze this year.
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Yes, but 2.8 million people are going to find a sex player and it's worth it.
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That's the unaccounted for cost benefit thing here.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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I'll tell you one of the biggest things that he has that I absolutely despise.
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An ego.
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Is exactly like Alex, um, where it is just, he's, he's doing so far, here's what he's done.
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Um, this isn't a problem.
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Right.
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Uh, it's all a lie.
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Right.
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Uh, even if it was a thing, which I'm not saying it is, we couldn't do anything.
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Don't even entertain the possibility that it's a thing.
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It wouldn't matter even if it was.
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Yeah.
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And, and the, the thing that people are trying to do about it, they're just trying to steal
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your sovereignty, bro.
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Right.
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Absolutely.
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Here's what's even worse.
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They're making this whole thing up.
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Scientists are making it all up.
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No.
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Yep.
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Evil warm period from about 900 to 1300 AD.
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This was considered the climate optimum.
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That was the use word was optimum.
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And we had the Renaissance.
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We had all this crops and vineyards growing in England, had booming production.
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And then in recent times they said, we have to get rid.
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UN scientists said we had to get rid of the medieval warm period because we didn't have
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coal plants and SUVs.
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And it was inconvenient to explain how something could be as warm or warmer than today.
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So they went back in the data and they erased the medieval warm period.
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They erased the 1930s in the United States as the hottest decade.
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They went back and cooled the past.
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They can do that.
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Yep.
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See earlier, he said that witches thought they could control the weather.
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Right.
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There we go.
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They just erased the past.
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Yep.
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They erased the 1930s as the warmest decade in American history.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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The medieval warm period.
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Did you hear about the medieval warm period?
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No, I don't think I've heard of it.
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I've heard those words used before.
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Right.
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Now, what do you think is specific?
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Like in the medieval warm period, those three words, what do you think is an important word
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there?
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Evil.
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Exactly.
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Witches.
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Witches.
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Yeah.
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Maybe that's why it was warming because all the witch activity back then.
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Well, they were burning all of them.
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Absolutely.
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Of course, they put all that witch into the air.
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Everybody knows witches are the worst greenhouse gas.
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Totally.
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And all the potential energy that's in your cells and stuff gets released when you get
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burned, especially if you're a witch.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it makes total sense.
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I'm going to write a book.
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Greenhouse witch gas.
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Now, the reason that it's important to take a look at the medieval warm period is because
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when you say medieval, you're describing not just 400 years from 900 to 13 AD.
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You're describing 400 years in a certain place.
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Right.
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Europe.
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Exactly.
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He is basically saying, see, in for 400 years, it was really warm for white people.
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That means the climate is wrong.
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That's the whole thing.
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Pages.
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I also, I don't understand why do these guys think that scientists get together and they're
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like, we got to remove this warm period.
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Yeah.
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We got to take it away.
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Witch scientists.
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Who?
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No.
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Witch scientists.
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Witch scientists.
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Damn it.
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It always comes down to...
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You answered your own question.
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Yeah, that does seem like the sort of thing that no one would get away with.
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Yeah.
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It seems like at least one scientist would be like, huh, you guys have changed this data
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and it would be the biggest deal in the world.
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Exactly.
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Past global changes or pages, as they call themselves, they support research that understands
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the environment, not just now or the way it's going on, but they try and go back as far
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as possible.
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So they've taken ice core samples, tree ring samples, pollen, stalactites, more stuff to
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see what the overall climate at the world was at that time.
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And it's fine.
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It's exactly what we would have expected it to be.
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There's no medieval warm period for the earth.
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It's just for Europe.
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So when he says, in a certain sense, he does have it right.
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Scientists went back and changed it to correct it.
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Well, in essence, give it context.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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It's the same rise in temperature that we would have expected to see because humans
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were doing shit.
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Even back then, anthropogenic global climate change was part of the deal.
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It proves a consistency to the data.
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It proves that there isn't some sort of hidden, like this is part of the natural fluctuation
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of things.
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It fits in perfectly with the rest of the data that we see from previous climate tracking.
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Right, right.
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All they're doing is taking this small little piece of one small little part of all the
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research that has been done, and they're calling it a proof that global warming isn't real
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or proof that climate change isn't real.
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Mm-hmm.
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That is what they do.
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Oh, and the organization that has really been touting that medieval warm period.
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They received $532,000 from Donors Trust.
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Of course.
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Yeah.
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They might want to erase that history.
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Are you seeing a pattern?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Firmly established pattern.
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I don't know if I can make this any clearer.
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Yeah.
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I might hammer on this.
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I mean, it deserves to be hammered on.
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All this stuff, it traces back to very similar people who want that rhetoric in the world
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because it makes it harder for them to do the business that they do.
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That's where the money that comes into the Donors Fund comes from.
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Right.
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Comes from people in fossil fuel industries.
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Absolutely.
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And it is one of these things that I kind of know.
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You already know that all of these guys are pretty much paid shills the whole time.
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You kind of guessed that.
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Yeah.
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I went through the citations in his book and I tried to find anyone, anyone who did not
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receive money from Donors Trust or Americans for Prosperity or all of those things.
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Yeah.
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There were no sources cited that did not, that any source that he had that said climate
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change was not real or not an issue or should not be attacked or that it's actually sun
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spots or anything like that, all of them, all of them received money from these organizations.
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Yeah.
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It's like all the people on the same team using each other's information to reinforce
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their shit.
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Exactly.
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Absolutely.
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But you know what?
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No big deal.
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No big deal.
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No big deal.
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Something happened in 2007, 2008, really pissed everybody off.
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Can't think of what it was.
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I'm guessing that the cheeky way you're saying that is that is Obama.
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Oh yeah.
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Okay.
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The recent president who said global warming was the greatest threat facing civilization.
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And it's, it's, it's a tragedy that he wasn't, there wasn't enough pushback on President
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Obama for saying that it's the greatest threat we face.
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It's tragedy.
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It is tragic.
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Also, I think there's a ton of pushback where I'm sitting.
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It seemed like it was quite a bit to the extent that he was unable to really make any kind
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of, well, not any kind of, but meaningful progress.
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I have one question about that clip.
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How old does Pat Robertson sound?
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Do you think Pat Robertson forgot Obama's name or literally cannot bring himself to
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say Obama's name?
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He'd be like, they just can't.
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No, he can't do it.
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It's ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely fucking insane.
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And it's all, it's so much of this is directly from people hating Obama.
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What the...
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And around that time, like Al Gore had gotten out of politics and was working with that,
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that organization that was like trying to be like an incubator and a funder of a lot
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of like green technologies and stuff.
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And so that also probably led to, it didn't help with these, these folks.
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Sort of a perfect storm.
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No, but if like what happened at that time was the perfect like mixture of these right
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wing think tanks, absolutely like piggybacking on people hating Obama and throwing in the
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climate change stuff with it.
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That's why it all happened around 2007.
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The whole reason that all of the climate awareness and all of this stuff dovetails with everybody
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hating Obama is because of a concerted effort to put the two together to make sure that
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people who like people in Miami, people in Florida, they're going to lose their homes,
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their lives, everything.
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As the sea levels rise, parts of Florida will no longer be there.
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Yeah.
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And those people are oftentimes right wing.
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Yeah.
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And it's interesting too, because it's not as like a compelling narrative you might want
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to say is like these people just hated Obama and that's why they funded all this money.
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But the reality is that Obama was pushing for an agenda that would hurt their business.
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Yep.
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So it's, it's less like, you know, so much of the time on our show, it's like fear of
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a black president, like that sort of thing motivates a lot of people, but in this case,
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it's so clearly just like money bottom line related.
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Right.
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Yeah, it's a bummer.
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I mean, it's so simple too.
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Like it really, like a lot of that stuff really is super simple.
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Oh yeah.
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A lot of the science is fairly complicated.
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Like it's even for me, like one of the reasons that it's good for you to do an episode like
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this is I get a lot of the climate change science, but I don't get it.
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Right.
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I don't think that I could credibly have a conversation about it and I think a lot of
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people are that way.
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But the business side of it and this sort of stuff is very simple to understand and
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it should give people reason to be like, now hold the fuck on.
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Who are you saying these things?
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Does that in some way invalidate the message that you're bringing?
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And I think, I think it does.
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Oh yeah.
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I think it, and that's not to say that someone who accepts money from the Koch brothers and
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like that, or one of their foundations or funds, that doesn't mean that everything they
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say is wrong.
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It just means that when you hear someone saying the things that they're saying and they have
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the funding of someone who has a business interest in the message that they're putting
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out, it behooves you to find out if they're lying.
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Right.
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It should be like a call to action for everybody.
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You know, like, you know, if you, if you see that connection, you got to double check things.
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Absolutely.
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Can't take it just a face value.
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Oh, it gets worse.
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Oh boy.
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But like, like we've said so many times before, this is all normal.
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Nothing's unusual.
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Nothing.
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Earth's climate changes all the time in history, Dan.
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It's no big deal.
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Changing climate is in the history of the earth right now.
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We're in probably the 10% coldest period in the earth's geologic history.
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In other words, 90% of the earth has been warmer than today.
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We have not had it where we could have ice at both poles like we do now.
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So geologically speaking, nothing unusual is going on.
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So how old is the earth, Dan?
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Uh, was it 6,000 years?
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Something like that, I think.
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Right.
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Roughly.
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Young earth theory is the correct theory.
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Do you know what's crazy?
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What's that?
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Even if that was right, the point still stands.
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Okay.
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The point still stands.
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It's actually a hundred trillion years old, right?
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Yeah.
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100 trillion?
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That's old.
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Almost as old as Pat Robertson's voice sounds.
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So if you're going to say, in the entirety of the earth's history, 90% of it has been
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warmer, right?
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So you're talking about 5 billion years.
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Yeah.
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Alright.
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So 90% of that, what do we got?
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4 point something?
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4.5 billion years.
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Right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You're trying to just prove you can do math.
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Well, I had a rough go of it last time.
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Drufke's post really got to you.
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Right?
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So now he's talking about 90% of the earth's history when it was completely and utterly
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uninhabitable.
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Then, you're talking about him saying, oh, well, we didn't have ice at the earth's poles.
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We had one giant fucking continent.
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The earth was absolutely hotter back then.
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Pangaea.
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Exactly.
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Now, changing climate is absolutely in earth's history.
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This is the first thing he has said that is unequivocally true.
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Let's go through some of the times that the climate has changed.
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Let's.
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During earth's history, we have had a lot of life, and we've had a lot of not-life.
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Alright?
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Life always flourished when there's a balance between CO2, greenhouse gases.
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There was a ton of methane in the air during the Cretaceous period.
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That wasn't that big of a deal, because during that time, there was also a shit ton more
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oxygen, so plants grew so much bigger.
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Grew so much bigger. That's why we could support dinosaurs being as large as they were.
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So life flourished.
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Then the idea of supporting dinosaurs getting big.
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Then you're gonna get that big.
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You gotta get your own.
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Get a job, you dinosaur.
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Like that.
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Yeah, that makes sense, though.
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And a lot of the things that lived back then had different central nervous systems that
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we do. You know, a lot of the insects and stuff like that were able to thrive back then
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as opposed to a lot of primate life.
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Right.
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Now, what happens when you see rapid climate change similar to what we're experiencing
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right now?
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When you go back through history, and you see the history of climate change, because
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again, the earth's climate has changed a bunch of times.
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What happens?
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Oh, I thought you were gonna just answer the question.
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I didn't know you wanted me to answer.
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I'm guessing a lot of things die.
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450 million years ago, during the middle Cambrian period, a mass extinction occurred.
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Guess why?
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Meteor sent here by God.
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Massive climate change.
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Oh.
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Yep.
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Due to an increased amount of...
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Yeah.
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During the Permian era, around 250 years ago, a mass extinction occurred.
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Guess why?
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God, meteor.
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Yep.
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In the Triassic, around 200 million years ago, a mass extinction occurred.
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Guess why?
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Lost a battle with a shore.
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All of them were absolutely losing a battle with the shore.
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A rapid jump in global temperatures, rising sea levels, and ocean acidification.
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Yeah, I mean, I went to the Chicago Museum, the Field Museum, not too long ago, and went
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for...
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They had a big display or big installation about the various extinctions over time.
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And that was something that was very clearly a piece of the information that was on display
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in the museum.
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And that if you go through the entire thing, you get to the end, and then it's like, hey,
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guess what?
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We're in one right now.
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Yep.
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Are humans going to be one of these species?
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We're the only ones who are cognizant of the fact that this is going on and historically
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has, and yet we don't do anything.
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Yep.
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It's weird.
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It's weird.
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Everybody pretty much knows.
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Like, it's awful.
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It is awful.
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Good news is, though, Antarctica is growing, so we don't need to worry about it.
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Well, it's because there's plants to support it.
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No big deal.
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Yeah.
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Everybody knows that it's growing so much.
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Guess what's happening?
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Antarctica, the South Pole.
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NASA study shows it's actually growing.
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The ice, the land-based glacier ice, has been expanding and it's contributing to a sea level
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lowering.
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Mm hmm.
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Before I respond to that, is that true?
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Antarctica is actually growing in land mass.
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It is not growing in the sense that glaciers are being rebuilt and the like.
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Okay.
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Walk me through that.
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All right.
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So the seas are not lowering.
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No study shows that.
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It seems, yeah, that's my sense of it.
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Not even fake studies.
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Not even the studies that are funded by these people to prove that climate change isn't
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real show that the seas are lowering.
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Nothing.
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He's just making that up?
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He's just making that up.
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Cool.
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Now, Antarctic sea ice is growing.
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There are a lot of explanations for that, but mainly it is surrounded by a polar current
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that separates it from the rest of the way that the oceans are functioning.
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There's also more snow on Antarctica, which if you have a bunch of snow packed on top
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of ice, it's going to keep it colder for longer.
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So it's not going to fall apart.
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Now, this argument, however, is stupid because since the late well, actually, since the
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seventies, the Antarctic has gained about seventy three hundred square miles yearly,
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which is pretty cool, right?
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I guess I don't want to answer.
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It could be a really bad thing, right?
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In that same time.
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No, no, no.
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That is a good thing.
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OK.
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In that same time period, the Arctic, however, has lost about twenty one hundred square miles
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per year.
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A lot of it's moving south.
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Yeah, not enough.
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Like retirees going to Florida.
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That's a snowbird.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It is fucking stupid to make that argument, not just because the sea levels aren't lowering,
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but because even if they even if Antarctica was growing enough, the Arctic is losing ten
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million, so much more ice per year than the Antarctic could ever grow.
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It is a lie on both fronts.
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Now, would it be a big deal if there was a one to one like the Arctic just completely
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melts off and all of it, the South Pole gets all of it, gets all the ice.
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I don't think that's how that works.
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How does it score the ice?
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I don't know, but does it steal it?
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Would that would that be OK?
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I'm asking your permission to do this.
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Would it be would it be OK?
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Yeah, I'm asking.
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Do you want to do it?
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I'm asking specifically.
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Yeah, I have a supervillain plan.
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Do you want to get some dump trucks together, get all the ice that the Arctic is losing
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and then move it down south?
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We're probably going to need like cargo planes.
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But yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Maybe some ships.
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I got some Somali pirates.
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Well, you got to give it up to them.
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Yeah, if they're saving, if they're saving the ice, man, you got to give it up to them.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Yeah, he's just lying.
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OK, and I'm used to that by now.
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I know, but it's it never ceases to amaze me the way this guy lies, because he is a
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fucking sleazeball.
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I'm guessing unlike the situation between Rihanna and Eminem, you do not love the way
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he lies.
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I don't love the way he lies.
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No, I do like the situation between Rihanna and Eminem.
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I think they have a strong relationship.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, that's a that's a lot of people say a relationship should be built on enjoying
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the way somebody lies.
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I mean, the two of them, they helped each other make peace with the monster that lives
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under their beds.
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That's true.
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They've done a number of songs together.
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I just realized.
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Anyway, I don't know why everything is music references for me.
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I don't know.
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That's fun.
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Yeah, turns out what I don't have to prepare.
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All I know is songs.
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It is because this is something that he absolutely knows is not true.
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Right.
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It's not based on anything.
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He's like the scientists that he imagines erasing the history.
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That's kind of what he's doing.
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But with facts like he can't know that he can't know that the sea water levels are not
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lowering.
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Right.
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He can't know that and still make the arguments that he makes.
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Therefore, he has to not know that.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, that's called lying.
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He can't know how much ice the Antarctic is gaining without also knowing how much ice
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the Arctic is losing.
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Right.
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Because those can only exist in comparison with each other.
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Otherwise, you're just saying, well, I guess the Antarctic is getting bigger like and you
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nobody nobody has put together a study that is just about that without pointing out how
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much ice we're losing.
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Right.
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Because it's important context.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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The only people who point out that the Antarctic is growing.
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I think I know what you're about to say.
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Well, do you know what I'm about to say?
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I have a premonition.
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They are not using their own information.
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What they're doing is they're taking studies that other people have done.
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Who are those people?
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Real legitimate scientists.
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Who are researching.
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No.
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Yeah.
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And they're taking the half of it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Every study that they put out that says, look, see, we can prove the Antarctic is growing
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is based off of the same data from scientists who say who have been proving the Antarctic
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is growing and the Arctic is dying.
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And they're trying to figure out why there's the difference between them.
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There are a lot of different explanations, but ultimately what these people are doing
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is fake research.
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Yeah.
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It's selective information mining.
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Absolutely.
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But you know what this really comes back to?
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What's that?
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Comes back to Gore.
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Because Al Gore, I also feature him saying that we need ubiquitous fertility management.
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In other words, we need to prevent the number of Africans because he says Africa is projected
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to have a huge population increase.
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Yep.
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I'm not sure what he's saying.
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I'm not sure what he's saying that Al Gore is saying.
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I'm not sure anything that's going on at this point.
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What he's saying about Al Gore is that Al Gore says that in order to fight climate change,
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we need to give ubiquitous fertility management.
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We need to control the population of Africa.
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Or provide them with birth control options.
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Well, do you want to hear the actual quote?
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Yeah.
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That Al Gore said?
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Yeah.
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The real quote is depressing.
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I will control Africa.
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It's kind of.
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I will get the jewels.
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It's actually very similar to that.
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He's good friends with Bob Chapman.
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The real quote from Al Gore from this interview that he's talking about.
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Depressing the rate of child mortality, educating girls, empowering women, and making fertility
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management ubiquitously available so women can choose how many children and the spacing
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of children.
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Yeah.
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That's how it always goes.
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I mean, whenever these people are lying about, they just want to control the population and
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all that.
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It's always, you can dig into it and you always find that it's like everything they're talking
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about is providing the option, the opportunity, the availability for people.
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This is a very tired argument of these right wing dicks.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's a bummer.
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It's a bummer because it really would be revolutionary aid to people in developing countries.
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Like the ability to not be like, just have random family management, you know, that sort
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of thing.
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It'd be super helpful.
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Absolutely.
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And that's why people on the right aren't interested in that kind of aid because then
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the developing countries would develop further and that become a problem.
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Yep.
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They'd have their own industries that don't rely on the pillaging of American and European
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companies, colonialist powers.
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This guy is basically saying that Al Gore wants to control the population of Africa
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through eugenics.
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Right.
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And Al Gore is actually saying, I think we should free people.
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Yeah.
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That's how it always goes.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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People suck.
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Yeah.
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Al Gore is involved.
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You know who else is involved?
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I don't know.
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Everybody.
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But it goes all the way to the top.
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All the way to the top.
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We've got the scientists getting rid of all this data.
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We've got Al Gore arguing for eugenics.
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There's nothing to worry about.
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Don't tell me Will Smith is involved.
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A hundred trillion dollars.
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This guy is a millennial, though.
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I'll tell you that right now.
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And sadly, and unfortunately, Pope Francis has has lined himself with advisors that have
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a similar mindset.
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He's done very anti-Catholic doctrine with his advisors.
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He's a Jesuit, right?
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I mean.
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Anti-Catholic doctrine.
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OK, so.
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Wait, the head of the Catholic Church is anti-Catholic?
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It goes all the way to the top.
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Oh, my God.
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And do you know why?
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Do you know why?
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Because Pope Francis said we should worry about climate change.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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We're going to have to get into Vatican 3 pretty soon based on how how bad this is turning
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for the conservative folk.
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There's going to be another schism.
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Yep.
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And it's all because of climate change.
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Right.
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All of this stuff is I just I love it whenever anybody throws in the pope like this entire
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interview has only, you know, like he's just making false bullshit and just saying it out
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loud.
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And then all of a sudden he's just like, and you know what?
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Pope does it, too.
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He knows that Pat Robertson's an evangelical and has a healthy distrust.
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That's true.
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Unhealthy distrust of the papists and shit like that.
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I didn't even think of that.
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That's a good point.
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Yeah, he has a real skepticism of Catholicism.
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So it makes sense that he would try and throw that enemy in.
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Yeah, I didn't I didn't even consider that.
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Yeah, of course.
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He's just talking to his audience.
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That's that's fair.
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Good for him.
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Yeah.
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Good for him for really playing Pat Robertson like an idiot.
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Yeah.
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This guy would do well at a stand up open mic.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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He's got Al Gore.
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Right.
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He's got the pope.
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And he's got all these scientists who are changing data.
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Have you ever heard that 97 percent of scientists agree?
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I have heard that.
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That climate change is real.
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I've generally heard that from people like him who are attacking that.
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From what I understand, that number, there's nuance to it.
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That's not as simple as the 97 percent number.
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But I'm going to bet that you're going to tell me what the truth is.
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Well, there are some shocking things that Mark is about to tell us.
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Oh, boy.
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Yeah.
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And Al Gore claimed back in the early 90s that there were no science, that all scientists
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agreed.
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Now, this 97 percent I point out in the book in one of the studies wasn't even 97 scientists.
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They actually got 77 scientists anonymous.
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We don't know who they are.
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And they claimed a 97 percent consensus.
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They didn't even get 97 scientists, Dan.
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That's fun.
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The 97 because I've always wanted to look into the 97 percent thing.
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Because you listen to that, even if you are on the left and you are like not a climate
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change bullshit fuck face, you know, you're you look at that and you hear 97 percent.
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You're like that doesn't I mean, I guess who are those three percent?
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Yeah.
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And it's also a symbol.
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It's just a symbol of like, look, this is overwhelming consensus.
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The 97 percent number isn't as important as the the symbol that it represents.
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Yeah.
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So the 97 percent number is actually based around two studies.
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Naomi Oreskes put together a 2004 study that produced the first 97 percent result.
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Hell yeah.
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What she did was she analyzed around a thousand studies that mentioned climate change of the
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studies that found a result and then supplied an opinion.
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So they went through their information.
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They found this change or this thing.
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They confirmed or denied this thing and then supplied an opinion as to why it was going
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on.
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Of those studies, 97 percent agreed that anthropogenic climate change is the case, is
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real.
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What she did, though, was she did she did a like nexus search of not nexus, but, you
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know, the the simple, simple search there of papers looking at keywords, peer reviewed
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papers.
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She wound up throwing away half of those papers because they didn't fit the criteria.
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Exactly.
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They didn't really matter.
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And then she disqualified the ones that came up with a like inconclusive.
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Exactly.
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And then didn't provide an opinion.
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You know, we don't know and we're not sure.
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Right.
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That's not useful for her her what it would be overview.
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Exactly.
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Study.
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Exactly.
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So at the end of the day, she got 97 percent of those papers.
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All of them agreed that anthropogenic climate change was the was the truth of the paper.
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The driver of.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So it's not exactly like that's 97 percent of all scientists.
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In 2013, John Cook and the people that were working with him at the time tried to repeat
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that study and they found almost exactly the same result.
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Using different studies or?
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Yes.
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OK.
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Using different studies.
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And they went through the what is it?
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The abstract.
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So they didn't even bother with like finding a result or anything like that.
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Just what did these guys summarize their findings as?
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And 97 percent of them wound up being anthropogenic climate change.
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This is.
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The reality of the 97 percent number is closer to this.
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If you were to survey climatologists, people who only study the climate,
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not just climate change, but just like, hey, all of that stuff, the real number would be,
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if not 100 percent, 99.9 percent.
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Right.
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If you study if you go through all non climatologists, everybody who is considered
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a scientist and doing research that is related to climate change, you get closer to like 92 to 95
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percent.
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But again, of all of those studies, the only people that will come out on record,
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the only people that will come out publicly as and like advertise their research.
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Guess who funds their studies?
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I have no idea.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you do.
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No idea.
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Yeah, you do.
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No idea.
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Yeah.
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So the 97 percent claim is both true and I don't know, almost almost less impactful
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because you would rather hear them say 100 percent of climatologists, the people whose
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entire lives are dedicated to studying the climate, agree that climate change is happening.
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Yeah.
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But I bet that some of that 3 percent isn't even like denying climate change is anthropogenic.
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Right.
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Like I imagine some of it is just ambivalent, neutral results in their commentary or whatever.
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Like we weren't able to find any evidence of this, but it doesn't disqualify the possibility,
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like that sort of thing.
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Well, that's the thing.
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In the Naomi Oreskes studies from 2004, when she was going through the papers that qualified,
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she did include the ones that supplied an opinion.
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And the opinion genuinely was this is not attributable to anthropogenic climate change.
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But that doesn't mean that exactly climate change isn't a primary driver of climate change.
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Exactly.
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So, yeah, I mean, that doesn't like that 3 percent is probably even like that's an illusion
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in and of itself.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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This whole thing is, it's just manufactured in a way that is so fucking disgusting.
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It really is.
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Yeah, it's just tasteful.
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Because the argument that you would come back to, right, is I say, oh, the only scientists
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who come out on record is saying that it's not anthropogenic climate change.
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They're all paid by but.
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Right.
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And then the right wing would come back and say, well.
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You're a conspiracy theorist.
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No.
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You hate business and sovereignty.
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Well, of course, they would say that.
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Right.
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But they would also say like, oh, yeah, well, these scientists are paid by George Soros
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or whatever it is like that.
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The biggest difference is that a climatologist would still be studying the climate if climate
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change wasn't happening.
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That's true.
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That's their job.
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The climate deniers legitimately would not have a job if there was not climate change.
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The climatologists would still study the climate.
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Yeah.
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There's a parasitic relationship.
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Exactly.
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It's good hustle.
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Yeah.
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They probably make a lot more than us.
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They absolutely do.
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Jordan, new idea.
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Start denying climatologists.
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I don't I don't I think it might be a little too late in the episode for me to get there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I realize that now.
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Yeah.
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This is probably going to look bad if we do make that pivot.
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Try and court some some donor fund money.
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Well, I've significantly proven my points and now I shall deny climate change much like
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now that I've got it out of my system.
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Now that I got Bjorn Lomborg money coming out of here.
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Bjorn!
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Yeah.
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Now, what do they use the 97 percent claim to do?
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I mean, what do you what do you who just what is who use it for?
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Ask yourself that question.
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I just did.
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OK, that question.
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Everybody.
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OK.
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Everybody.
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They use it to do something and a U.N. scientist said the 97 percent claim was pulled out of
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thin air.
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They use that to bully people.
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In other words, you don't know about you don't know enough about science.
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You can't challenge it.
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It's like bullies.
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They're such bullies.
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Bullies.
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They're such bullies.
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I could not find a U.N. scientist who said it was pulled out of thin air.
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Lord Moncton.
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OK, well, I suppose that might actually be the fake Lord Moncton.
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He is cited in his book.
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He is cited in Mark Moreno's book at least 15 times.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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Of course he is.
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Crazy old kook Lord Moncton.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's just that scamp.
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This this infuriates me because his book opens with the line, I am not a scientist.
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That's a good start.
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That's a great start, right?
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Yeah.
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Climate, the politically incorrect guide to climate change.
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I am a hatchet man.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I am a hack.
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And they use it to bully people.
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Well, I mean, there's that.
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And then also in that clip, you know, the idea the unnamed U.N. scientist is also probably
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pandering to Pat Robertson because he's an anti-U.N. guy.
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He believes it has to do with like the like a rebel coming revelation.
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Yep.
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So the Antichrist kind of nonsense.
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So I think that is also him playing the room a little.
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I would be interested to ask him who he's talking about, because if you can't find an
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example of who he might be talking about.
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I mean, you do make a good point.
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It probably is Lord Moncton.
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Because he does show up at the U.N. and cause trouble from time to time.
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Right, right, right, right.
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He does get kicked out of conferences.
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But it is.
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And he was invited to one not too long ago.
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But it is that like an unnamed climate scientist.
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Generally, I find when you don't name something, it's because you don't want people to be able
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to look into it.
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Yep.
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That's generally speaking, when you're making a persuasive kind of speech, you don't use
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specifics.
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It's because you don't have the specifics.
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Uh huh.
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That's what I've learned in the last two years.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's it.
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It is it is ridiculous to me that this guy because this guy is not just done Pat Robertson
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show, this guy has been on actual TV.
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I honestly also think he's been on Infowars.
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You think so?
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Yeah, the more I hear his voice, the more I'm sort of like, I think I know this guy.
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I just hate it.
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He's such a used car salesman.
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Yeah.
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I despise his voice.
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Yeah, it seems to that like, and you know, we're not listening to the whole interview,
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but these these glimpses that you provided definitely, it leads me to believe that he's
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he's not engaging with the full argument he's even trying to make.
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There's a lot of like, look over here, look over here, all over the place.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And this is almost the full interview to be to be honest, we've all I've done is I've
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had Robertson isn't known for his in-depth.
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Right, exactly.
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It's not like his questions are probing.
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He's just throwing up softballs, you know, like then muttering.
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Is Mars getting colder?
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No, cool.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Right. Mars is so cool.
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And so all I'm really cutting out of this interview is like him going and the scientists
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like that's that's really what I'm cutting out.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There's a few chunks where it's like, I don't need to fine you.
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You pull your bullshit.
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You know, that's not true.
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And even while he's saying completely not true stuff, the stuff that I cut out was him
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like almost winking to the audience, like with a giant neon wink sign of like, you and
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I both know this shit isn't true, but we're all here together.
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Like that kind of stuff.
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All I wanted to do is grab the stuff that it sounds like he's really trying to sell
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you on, like all of the stuff that I've grabbed so far.
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He really wants you to believe it.
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You know, like what do you get from his tone of voice and assholery?
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All I remember right now actually is just the fighting the shore.
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The visual.
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That's really all that I'm going to walk away from this with.
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Oh, my God.
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Seems like I am taking on your role.
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Not listening at all.
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You son of a bitch.
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But I value it for that.
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You know, that's a that's a I'll probably dream of that later.
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But the real villains.
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Oh, boy.
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The real villains of this whole thing.
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The sun?
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Are no, no, no. Weather comes from the sun.
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Right.
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So we like that.
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Oh, according to Pat Robertson, it all comes from the sun.
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The sun is out of pocket, so we should be mad at it.
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What do you mean an out of pocket expense?
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It's not covered by insurance.
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We've got to check the sun.
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OK, I got you.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's a hundred year low sunspot activity.
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I think we've been doing a great job.
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Now, kick it up a little bit.
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All right.
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All right.
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But just like the scientists who snuck in and removed the 1930s.
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Those were villains.
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Those were villains.
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There's an even smaller core of scientists who are even worse.
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Ganondorf.
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And I'm going to tell you their biggest crime right now.
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Or actually, Mark is.
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Well, it's actually I point out a core of activist U.N.
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scientists, people like Michael Oppenheimer, who took money from
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Barbara Streisand, quarter million dollars.
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Whoa.
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Yep.
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Barbara Streisand.
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Barbara Streisand the whole time.
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Holy shit.
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Uh huh.
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Oh, yeah.
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I didn't know it went this deep.
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Oh, it goes all the way to the pope.
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To Babs?
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And Barbara Streisand.
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Oh, God, not Barbara.
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Do you know what?
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Do you know what's my favorite part of this quote?
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This quote comes from one place or the Barbara Streisand thing.
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Was it from Aaron Russo?
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Comes from one place.
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What was that?
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Senator James Inhofe.
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Oh, Jim Inhofe, that motherfucker.
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Yeah, or Inhofe.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He's also one of Alex's sources about martial law being threatened and stuff like that.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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That guy's a dick.
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He's an absolute dick.
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Yeah.
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Do you want to know who wrote his speeches?
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Aaron Russo.
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Nope.
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Oh.
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Do you want to know who wrote his speeches whenever he said
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that Barbara Streisand was behind a core of climate activists?
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Fuck it.
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It's Mark Moreno, isn't it?
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It is Mark Moreno.
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Son of a bitch.
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I thought there's no way that's who it is, but it's got to be.
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It's totally him.
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Yup, it is 100% him.
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Mark Moreno.
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This sneaky asshole.
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Yup.
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I wrote the speech for this other guy to deliver and then I cited it.
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Yup.
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No one knows.
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And when Barbara Streisand was asked about it, she was like, first I heard of this shit.
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That's a crazy magic trick of propaganda.
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He just hates Yentl.
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Wow.
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Wow, that's pretty cool.
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I mean, like in terms of when I look at like Alex doesn't have the ability to do something
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like that.
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So seeing someone who got a fucking senator to say something so he could then use it for
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his own...
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Yup.
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Like that's...
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15 years later.
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15 years later.
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Awesome.
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No one else has said Barbara Streisand.
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I looked it up for forever.
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I mean, she's a super left leaning celebrity.
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For sure.
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She comes up as a target.
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Yeah, for sure.
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But she is not given a quarter million dollars to literally anyone.
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Not Oppenheimer?
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Nope.
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Any relation to the nuke guy?
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I am become death.
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Actually, probably.
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The destroyer of worlds.
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I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't know.
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Oh, but we got to talk about the heroes, Dan.
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Do we?
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We got to talk about the heroes like John Wayne.
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John Wayne and the Quiet Man.
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Single men fighting against a system that is designed to destroy them.
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So we have all these activist scientists being paid by Barbara Streisand with that Yentl
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2 money.
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Right.
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But we have some heroes.
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Also, by the way, a quarter of a million dollars isn't going to do shit.
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We're really burying the lead on that.
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That is, that's not that much money in terms of actually going through with a high level
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study.
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Let's go back...
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The amount of funding that these fucking places need to operate actual labs and science, there's
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endowments and, like, there's so much, like, anyway.
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Let's just go back.
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Donors Trust gave Americans for Prosperity $30,962,331.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So we have these hero scientists.
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And that's just stuff you can trace.
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Yeah.
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Like, there's even more going around that's not on the books, or it is on the books, but
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it's, like, covered by free speech kind of ideas and stuff like that.
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Pretty much, pretty much.
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Money is speech.
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Dan talked a lot about Donors Trust.
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It's true, we have.
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Talked a lot about how these guys give these money.
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But they're giving it to the heroes, Dan.
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Okay.
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And there are a few scientists who are willing to buck the trend.
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Really thrilled to hear that.
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And one of the scientists, a Princeton physicist, I point out in the book, he says we're currently
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in a carbon dioxide famine on Earth.
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Sounds like Alex.
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Famine?
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Yeah, we're carbon dioxide deprived.
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Oh.
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I think actually now that I hear him, like, do this again, like, this unnamed Princeton
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scientist, I think it's also him just realizing that Robertson doesn't give a fuck.
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Why should I say the name?
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He doesn't care.
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Right.
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It's not gonna mean anything to him or his audience.
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Nope.
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So maybe that is a real scientist.
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This guy is a real scientist and I looked him down.
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Oh boy.
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Or I looked him up.
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I found him.
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Looked him up and down.
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I looked him up and down and I found him wanting.
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This dude is a fucking monster.
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The Princeton physicist he's talking about is a doctor.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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Yep, yep.
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Webster Tarpley.
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No.
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Wait, he went to Yale.
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Yeah.
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Never mind.
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He got a forestry degree, I believe.
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That's right.
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Yeah.
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He started forestry.
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This guy is Dr. William Happer.
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Actually, he got a degree in Robert Forrester studies.
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Speaking of old movies.
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Do you know what's crazy?
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He found Forrester.
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Yeah.
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Bolt the door.
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If you're coming in.
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Punch the keys, dammit.
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Anytime I'm typing, I'm always like, bah.
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You're the man now, dog.
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You're the man now, dog.
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That trailer played on a loop in the lobby of the theater I worked in.
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I guarantee you, yeah.
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I'll be 70 years old.
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I'll still be able to just rattle off.
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You're the man now.
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You're the man now, dog.
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That's what a fucking terrible movie that I thought was good.
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That movie, god damn.
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Yeah.
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Well, our boy, the Princeton physicist is Dr. William Happer.
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OK.
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He is, by all accounts, a really good physicist.
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All right.
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Yeah.
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I buy it.
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That's cool.
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Princeton is not, like, uncredible.
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No, he's a really good physicist.
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He was also the director of the George C. Marshall Institute until 2015.
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You know about them, right?
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Nope.
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The George C. Marshall Institute was about two things, strategic defense.
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And beer pong.
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And science pong.
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Pretty much.
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Pretty much.
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But in 2015, the strategic defense part of the George C. Marshall Institute was like,
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we got to get away from Dr. William Happer.
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Do you know why?
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Because he's a fucking crazy climate denial monster.
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And they were like, we're not getting shit because of you.
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Because you're so fucking crazy.
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So he split the George C. Marshall Institute.
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And he took over the climate science part and created the CO2 coalition.
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That, as we go along, in, let's see.
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When the George C. Marshall Institute closed down in 2015, it had to.
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Because it was only taking in $300,000 in donations.
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And expenses were at about $500,000.
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That's untenable.
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Yeah.
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Now, this year, or actually last year, according to the CO2 coalition's nonprofit
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exemption application, they will receive a total of $1.5 million in gifts.
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Bit of a jump.
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Yeah.
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And it only spent about $1.1 million.
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That's also a jump.
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Uh-huh.
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Now.
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Don't do it.
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In 2015, Happer was the target of a sting operation, Dan.
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Oh no, was it O'Keefe?
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No, it was even worse.
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It was a Greenpeace sting operation.
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Oh, nice.
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Uh-huh.
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Here's the short version.
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These activists posed as your Koch brothers or the like.
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And they went to him and they said, we need a study that proves what we want it to prove.
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And he said, I can do that for you.
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You got it.
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I can do that for you.
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And they're like, how much do we need to pay you?
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And he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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We got to avoid the look of impropriety.
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However, if you were to make a donation to the CO2 coalition,
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well, then it's all on the up and up.
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Right, right.
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This is the absolute hammer.
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All of these people are paid first and then they do their studies.
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Right.
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That sting operation has been played out over and over and over again.
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So when I say, like, donor's trust is funding these studies,
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they're not funding them before the research happens.
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And they're funding it with the explicit
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understanding that the study will find the conclusion that is desired.
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Exactly.
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Which is why you pay up front.
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This is why you pay up front.
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And when you're saying that this sting has happened over and over again,
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I believe that it's probably, like, happened a bunch of times with people doing sting operations.
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Yeah.
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But then the exact same thing, but without it being a sting operation,
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happens over and over and over and over and over again.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's how the bread gets made, as it were.
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Now, that was done in 2015.
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How do you think CO2 coalition is doing now?
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I bet they got a...
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Well, actually, I would bet...
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It's tough to predict because the world is so stupid.
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Like, you would want to say he's in prison and that the thing is shut down,
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but because we live in a dark, dark timeline,
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I would say he's probably super rich and they're making way more money.
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Oh, yeah.
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2018 has him getting close to a million dollars this year, or that year.
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Well...
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Well, I'm sorry, the $1.5 million that I was referencing was between 2016 and 2017.
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Uh-huh.
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So that was two years.
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Right.
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This year, he has grown even more.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Almost a doubling.
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Yeah.
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Well, 33% or so.
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Exactly.
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Don't judge my math.
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His quote, which I find very funny, in an interview, he said,
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Well, I don't think that the laws of nature, physics, and chemistry have changed in 80
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million years.
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80 million years ago, the Earth was a very prosperous place,
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and there's no reason to think it will suddenly become bad now.
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Prosperous is a weird word.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I agree with him.
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I mean, in terms of the laws of science and physics haven't changed.
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Those are just immutable.
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All of that is true.
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But his conclusion is so vague as to be meaningless.
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Yep.
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Nah.
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Still liking more than Bjorn.
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Yeah, Bjorn is a piece of shit.
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Nothing is going to touch Mark Moreno's tricking Jim Inhofe.
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I know.
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That is like...
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Isn't that solid?
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That's a revelation.
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That is solid.
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God, it's like a triple Lindy.
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Very impressive.
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Oh, yeah.
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Let's see.
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Who else?
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Oh, just to hammer this point home, Happer has publicly praised, let's see, James O'Keefe
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multiple times.
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Seems like he wouldn't want to praise people who do the things that got him into trouble.
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Right?
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Mark Moreno publicly praised James O'Keefe.
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Of course.
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Many, many times.
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Of course.
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So these sting operations, yeah, they work.
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They're great.
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But we have got a very strong female lead coming up.
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And surprise, Mark Moreno is not stoked about that.
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I interviewed the UN climate chief.
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She said, Cristina Figueres, we seek a centralized transformation that will make life on planet
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Earth very different.
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That's the UN climate chief.
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I don't see anything bad about that sentence.
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Nope.
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He's saying it like it's some sort of really evil sentiment.
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And I just hear that.
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I hear like, yeah, yeah, I think we do need to fundamentally change a whole bunch of the
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decisions that we were making.
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We didn't realize we're bad.
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Uh huh.
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Oh, yeah.
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Cristina Figueres is fucking dope.
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She has had a badass career.
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At no point in time has she done like she is one of those characters, but more especially
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the current UN climate chief is Patricia Espinosa.
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And she has also had a cool-ass career.
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One thing that you can go back through with the UN climate chiefs is that they have ultimately
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I believe it's climate's chief.
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Ah, I apologize.
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You're you're actually attorneys general.
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Right.
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As they are given very, very little power, they have no ability to really affect anything.
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All of them, though, have come to this position through being fucking amazing at their jobs.
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Like these are people who are career diplomats and career scientists who all have given a
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fuck the whole time.
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Like, for instance, with the current climate change climate chief, Patricia Espinosa, she
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has been a career diplomat for Mexico basically since she was like twenty five.
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She's worked nonstop for women around the world.
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Everywhere she goes, she has had a positive effect.
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And it is Patricia Espinosa, who a lot of people give credit to getting the Paris accord
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done before she was the UN climate chief.
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She would go through every place that she could.
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She has an unimpeachable record.
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Her fucking sales pitch to all of these people was incredible enough that she would have
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was incredible enough that people give her a top honor in terms of getting the Paris
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agreement signed.
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That is who this guy is saying is very bad because she said things will make life on
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earth different.
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Yeah, that's it.
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Different doesn't mean worse.
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No, no, it does not.
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Well, let me tell you something.
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Guess who this guy hero worships?
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And it's not just Senator Senator James Inhofe.
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I don't know even worships that guy.
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Seems like he just used him.
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Yeah, I would say that's probably right.
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Buzz Scaggs.
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Once he stopped once Moreno stopped being Inhofe's aid and speechwriter and shit, he
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almost immediately started climate depot dot com.
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And that was entirely because his connection to Inhofe led him to his connection to Donors
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Trust.
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Right.
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All of that stuff.
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Mm hmm. That networking that that Beltway networking.
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Uh huh.
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Oh yeah.
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And he is DC and cannot get to DC.
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We got to go to DC.
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We would be alive.
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Yeah, probably.
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You know who else was eaten alive by DC?
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Who's that?
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We'll find out.
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Scott Pruitt.
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Donald Trump's EPA chief has done what no other Republican EPA.
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He's stood up to the climate change establishment.
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OK.
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Yeah, Scott Pruitt.
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He's he's a man among men.
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Scott Pruitt is a piece of shit.
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I didn't realize this interview was that current.
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Uh huh.
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This is from 2018.
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I just assumed this was like maybe five years ago or something.
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That's crazy.
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This was last year.
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It's weird.
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This is when Pruitt was still the EPA head.
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Right.
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So it does put it in that time frame.
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Yeah.
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Who of course was eaten alive because he's a giant piece of shit.
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Yeah.
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There are some fun things that I found out about Scott Pruitt.
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Everybody, if you don't know the evil that Scott Pruitt has done, not just not just his
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scandals and the cheating and stealing and misusing public funds and fucking everybody over
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for no reason.
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Scott Pruitt has destroyed the EPA from the inside and it is only going to get worse.
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Uh, but if you are, you know, everybody already knows the scandals and shit.
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So I wanted to look more into Scott Pruitt.
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And, uh, he and I share something, uh, that is deeply close to my heart, uh, which is
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a love of drink Jamison and ginger baseball, a love of baseball.
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Scott Pruitt had a moment that I liken to Hitler getting denied from, uh, uh, art school.
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Mm hmm. Like he was, he was asked to try out for the Cincinnati Reds.
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He was the second baseman.
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And if he had made it, we would not have had to deal with Scott Pruitt at all.
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Well, we might've just on our fantasy teams have to deal with his shitty wheels.
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Pretty much.
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Yeah.
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Uh, he played baseball for Georgetown, uh, and his teammates gave him the nickname, the possum.
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That's not a bad nickname.
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Oh, it's not?
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Well, just like linguistically, it's not a bad name, but it does seem to imply traits
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that aren't conducive to baseball.
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Also, second base is like, you can't just slouch on that base.
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You know, there's a, there's a lot of plays that happen that involve second base.
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Second base is where you hide the coach's kid.
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Well, it's not like, like right field.
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No, that's where you bury somebody.
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No, that is not, no.
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Right field is where you bury, uh, uh, uh, well, you can put somebody in left field.
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That's not that good, but you, you bury somebody in right field.
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Uh, you know, only because they're an amazing hitter.
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Whereas the second baseman is the coach's kid.
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The second baseman is the kid who, like, he's all scrappy.
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He works real hard.
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He's got all those intangibles, but he hits 240.
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Those are absolutely not traits that I associate with the coach's son,
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being scrappy and trying really hard.
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That's, uh, well, that's, uh, in baseball, that's, that's what, yeah, whatever.
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You don't want to put him in the hot corner.
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You don't want to put him on first.
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Uh-uh.
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Uh, no, you definitely don't.
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First is where you get your...
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It's interesting.
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There's a, you know, the more you think about it,
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there are very few unessential positions in baseball.
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This has been my Ted Talk about baseball.
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All I know about baseball is from watching a little bit of it,
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playing fantasy baseball with my buddies,
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knowing nothing about baseball for, like, two years, and then winning the league.
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Winning the league, of course.
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And, uh, Tori Hunter's great quote,
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baseball is a hard game.
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First you gotta hit a ball, then you gotta get it past, like, nine dudes.
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Tori Hunter was cool.
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Which I think is a great, uh...
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Tori Hunter is awesome.
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The encapsulation of the sport.
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I like that.
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Uh, yeah.
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Scott Pruitt is a giant piece of shit.
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Did you find any of his, like, stats?
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Uh, no.
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Apparently...
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Because it did come up to me.
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Remember we were talking about Ron Paul playing congressional baseball?
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And he hit the only home run?
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Well, no.
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We found out that that's not true.
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Other people have hit home runs since then.
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Ah, he's the first one.
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Okay.
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But also, like, I thought, like, there's no way anyone's gonna have records of this.
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There's records of that.
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Oh, yeah.
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Ron Paul was apparently pretty good.
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Alex wasn't talking all that much shit.
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Oh, yeah.
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So I wonder what Scott Pruitt was like.
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Like, do you have any steals?
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Well, he got a tryout from Cincinnati.
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He couldn't have been that bad.
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The Cincinnati...
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No, no, no.
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He was actually, uh...
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But he was also the Rams' back then.
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Well, yeah.
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He was a pretty good baseball player.
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Um...
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Could have made the show.
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He, you know, he was...
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Look.
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If you hit, like, 300 in college, it doesn't translate to the majors.
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Certainly not.
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No, you gotta hit, like, 450 to really get out of there.
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But Scott Pruitt grew up in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, which is a rich-ass suburb outside
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of Tulsa.
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It's where John Travolta grew up.
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Now, it is fitting.
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He was in that movie Broken Arrow.
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Wasn't he?
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Shit.
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Maybe?
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Fuck.
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I don't think so.
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I don't know who was in that movie.
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No, no, no.
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John Travolta was in Broken Arrow.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, you're right.
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My reference was very unconfident.
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Now I'm nervous because I might be wrong.
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Now I'm Mandela affecting you.
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Oh, no.
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Berenstain Arrow.
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Well, actually, it was Nicholas Cage in Broken Arrow, but this was after Face Off, so they
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had already switched.
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Oh, that's right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Easy to make that mistake.
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The reason that it's fitting that Scott Pruitt grew up in Broken Arrow is because Broken
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Arrow got its name because that is one of the places that Andrew Jackson hounded Native
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Americans to during the Trail of Tears.
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Yup.
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And Broken Arrow was then once again stolen from the Native Americans by energy and oil
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interests in Oklahoma.
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And Scott Pruitt is doing, or did, everything possible to continue that legacy.
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Was it a situation where his family was in those businesses and that's why he was growing
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up there?
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Uh-huh.
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Okay.
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Oh, yeah.
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You kind of get that sense.
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Oh, yeah.
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Scott Pruitt, and this is the thing that I am, like, of course this is true.
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Scott Pruitt is a member of First Baptist of Broken Arrow, which is a fucking megachurch.
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Right.
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It is a disgusting fucking monstrous place.
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To give you an example, one of their pastors is Adam Mask, and he is like the cool pastor.
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He's got tattoos on his arms.
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He's the one who's outreaching.
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He's like, look, I've been in the shit, man.
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As a 17-year-old girlfriend.
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Yeah, exactly.
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He recently wrote, this is recently, this is like two days ago.
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Whoa.
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Yeah.
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Very recent.
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And this is on a blog post.
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So you know we got all caps going on all over the place.
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Hell yeah.
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I'll try and read this in the all caps that he wants it to be.
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Okay.
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Pride arises out of doubt that God truly makes a better God over our lives than we do.
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Rick, can you start that over?
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Sure.
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I wasn't distracted by the yelling.
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I was just distracted by the structure of that sentence.
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Exactly.
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I need it one more time.
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All right.
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Pride arises out of doubt that God truly makes a better God over our lives than we do.
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Okay.
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I track it now.
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Do you get it?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Adultery!
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Sex outside of marriage!
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Wait, wait.
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The sex outside of marriage is all caps too?
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Oh, yeah.
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Because I was thinking that at this point he's just going to capitalize all of the seven
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deadly sins.
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No, no, no.
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We're not doing...
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So we have pride and I guess adultery isn't one of the sins, but you could say that's
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lost.
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Oh, we're doing all caps.
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And this is what this is about.
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Okay.
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Adultery!
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Sex outside of marriage!
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Homosexuality!
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All lusts!
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Stem from the doubt that God's planned design for physical intimacy is to be between one
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man and one woman in the confines of marriage.
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So they're great.
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Don't fuck.
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Yep.
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I mean, that doesn't, like, I know that that is not great and you never like to hear it,
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but that doesn't stray too far outside of like the sort of things you hear in a lot
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of churches.
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So like...
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Right.
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No, no, no.
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That just seems like a, you know...
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No, I just like adding that on there because you know what Scott Pruitt's done.
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Oh, and one thing about Scott Pruitt is that during his run for Attorney General, he took
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a lot of money from...
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Don't do it to him.
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Please, Hammer, don't hurt him.
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Don't distrust him.
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Of course.
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Yeah.
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So every single fucking one of these people is being paid deliberately, deliberately to
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destroy any and all opposition to...
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Now, probably there's someone who isn't, but we don't know who that person is.
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No, that's what I'm saying.
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That's why when I'm looking at that study about the 97%, you know, and they say, you
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know, it's almost 100% of climatologists, which, you know, if there's a thousand climatologists,
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one of them is gonna take donor's trust money.
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Sure.
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You know, like, of course you're gonna make a study that says not.
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But even when you factor in like meteorologists who are some of the worst offenders of like,
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weather's different, duh, you're fucking calm it down, asshole.
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Stay in your lane.
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Calm it down.
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Yeah.
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But even amongst all of those, nobody is going on record.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like the people who are going out and talking and making their stuff public, they are paid.
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If the people who are, you know, when you go through that 97% study, their claims weren't
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that climate change is not anthropogenic, their claims are in those studies, this is
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not attributed to anthropogenic climate change.
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So even those people-
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It's not a denial, this isn't provable, or maybe even like slightly relevant after we've
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gone through the actual study.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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We might just be looking at a variable that isn't a piece of this, but that doesn't disprove
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the anthropogenic aspect.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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I know a lot of the information in this episode is, of course, repetitive.
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I'm sorry.
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No, it's repetitive with a purpose, though.
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Like, it's not like you're just saying the same thing over and over again, it's about
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different people throughout the story that, you know, you repeat because it's like driving
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home the point, all of these people are ill actors, they're bad actors.
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Yep.
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When you act from a position of bad faith and bad acting, you can't do anything good.
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And that's what these people are.
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So repeating stuff is just reinforcing that.
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It's the argument that people make so often of like, oh, 97% doesn't mean anything.
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You think 97% of scientists agreed that we had a heliocentric universe?
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What about Galileo and all of that stuff?
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What about the great man theory of science where it's one dude bucking the entire trend?
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When you go back and you look through all of those different things, you'll find that
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the reason those one men were, those one guys, those great men were bucking trends is because
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the trends themselves were based on entrenched power and entrenched power controlled 97%
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of science at the time.
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Whether it be through the church or the corrupt state or whatever.
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Right.
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And they were doing exactly, you know, if you want to talk about the flowering of the
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Renaissance, those were commissioned pieces, you know?
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So much of that was, I am telling you, I want this to be true.
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You make it true.
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You make it be proved that this is true.
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And those great men, people were the ones who were like, eh, now go fuck yourself.
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That kind of thing.
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As science evolved throughout this time period, it's gotten away from that universal control
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by powerful interests.
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And now a scientific consensus means infinitely more than it did 50 years ago than it did
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a hundred years ago.
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Yeah.
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So when people give you that, like, well, Galileo was all out on the bun and on his
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own and all that shit.
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That's because Galileo was acting in the spirit that the scientific consensus is acting
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now.
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Yeah.
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And the ratios have changed.
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And that's not even taking into account the mythologizing that goes on of those great
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men of history and stuff like that.
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The stuff that's not strictly speaking true.
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Right.
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The only great scientist that I can think of that acted almost utterly singularly without
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constant input from other scientists, without a constant exchange of information.
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That's obviously General Stubblebottom.
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Pretty much.
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No, it was Isaac Newton.
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When he wrote Principia Mathematica, that was the only time in scientific history I
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can think of where it was like, this dude just fucking did that shit by himself.
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What an asshole.
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Yeah.
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So my point is, I think, pretty clear, right?
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I think so.
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Did I make it?
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Yeah, I think so.
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It's interesting to me.
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Like, we've come to the end of this.
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There's a lot of stuff that I'm shocked he didn't bring up, you know, like climate
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gate stuff and those emails that were misinterpreted and things like that to hide the decline
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nonsense.
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Right.
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Like, I expected to hear some of that because, I mean, he's hitting a lot of the normal
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bases and you'd expect to hear that.
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It's interesting that's absent in here.
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I don't think it's a failing in any way of his or ours.
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But you know, there's a lot of things that I expected to come up that didn't.
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But yeah, I think your point is very well made that this guy, Mark Moran, is an asshole.
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He's a complete piece of shit.
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And seems to be playing fast and loose.
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He did give me that great visual metaphor, but...
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Man has always been battling the shores.
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But that, to me, that's the example of an accidental good.
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You know, he's acting in bad faith, but it accidentally, the fruit of that vine, one
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of the apples wasn't poisoned.
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But I guess we have a website?
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We do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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I think we have a Twitter?
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That's right.
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At knowledge underscore fight.
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I think we are on Facebook.
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That's correct.
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You can join our group.
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Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
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What if you went to iTunes?
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Would you be able to find us?
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Leave a review, subscribe, all that stuff.
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Please do.
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This has been fun, man.
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It's very foreign to me, the changing roles.
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I'm glad we did it, but I'm also glad the next episode will switch back.
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Yeah, same here.
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This needed to happen, and it does not need to happen again.
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Ah, but I'll tell you one guy who, though he has metaphorically poisoned an apple, which
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would kill a guy, he has not literally done that.
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That's Mark Moreno.
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But I'll tell you one guy who technically probably killed a guy, though not necessarily
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with a poisoned apple.
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That's Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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