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I'm a policy wonk.
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Hey, everybody.
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Dan here.
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I just wanted to step in real quick before we start the actual episode because there's
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something going on here in Chicago, Illinois that I would like to draw everyone's attention
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to.
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This episode's coming out on Monday, but on Tuesday night, if you are in Chicago, if you're
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one of our listeners who's in Chicago, I would like to very strongly recommend that you consider
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coming out on Tuesday night to At North Bar, I don't know, I think it starts at 8.
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Who knows?
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Look it up.
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Maybe show up at like 7.30.
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That's the safest way to do it.
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There is an awesome show that's going on there.
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Dear friends of the show, Far Out and I9, a couple of great rappers are going to be
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in town doing a show there.
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Jordan and I will both be out in attendance having a great time.
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There's going to be some comedians who are friends of the show.
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People like Matt Riggs, people like Joe Fernandez, he's not been on the show, but he has been
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invited.
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Now I'm getting petty.
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He's too busy.
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But it's going to be a great show.
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If you are considering something to do on Tuesday night, it starts early, so if you
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have to go to work on Wednesday, still an option for you.
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If you want to come, we'd all love to see you there.
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There's a lot of talent on that lineup.
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It's going to be an amazing show.
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Please consider coming.
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But beyond that, please get ready to have a very heavy episode of the podcast thrust
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into your ears.
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Anyway, I love you all.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey, everybody.
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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple of dudes.
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I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan.
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Hey.
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Dan, when was the last time you ate sushi?
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Never.
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You've never eaten sushi?
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When I was much younger and I didn't like it.
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I like sushi.
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A lot of sushi.
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No, that was just fish.
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No.
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They had it in the-
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They were flying fish.
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Well, but they were wrapped in seaweed.
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Well.
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So it counts.
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You know, you'd have Musubi down here in, I don't know why.
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A lot of sushi flying around, and then also one of the big things they like to do is make
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Spam Musubi.
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Okay.
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And they have rice wrapped around Spam with seaweed around it.
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It was gross.
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Yeah.
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I remember reading or watching something on the prolificacy of Spam in certain areas.
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They love it.
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It was like, hmm, that's odd.
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They love it in Hawaii.
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Can't get enough-
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Like in Japan too.
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Yeah.
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Can't get enough of that damn Spam.
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Strange.
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Anyways, you should try more sushi.
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Nope.
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So what you could say is that I know a lot about sushi and you don't know anything about
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sushi.
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I know things about it.
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Clearly you don't if you don't like it.
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Just my fun taste.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's an issue.
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Look, not everybody has to eat fish.
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Some people can just eat poultry and be totally cool about it.
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But yeah, in the same way, I know a lot about Alex Jones.
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And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones.
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Today, we've got a very interesting episode to go over, but before we get to it, what
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I would like to do is I'd like to give a shout out to a couple of new donors who have signed
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up with the team.
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Very excited about this.
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First, I'd like to say thank you to a new policy wonk.
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Vanessa, thank you for joining the team.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Vanessa.
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We appreciate it oh so very much.
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Yes.
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Thank you.
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And also, I'd like to give a shout out to someone who came in on a little bit of a elevated
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level.
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Came in hot?
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Let's say yes, absolutely.
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I'd like to say thank you so much and congratulate Nick on becoming a globalist.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Thank you so much, Nick.
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Thank you so much, Nick.
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If you'd like to support the show, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com.
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Click that button.
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It says support the show.
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We'd appreciate it very much.
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Indeed.
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So, Jordan, today I wanted to get into the voicemail bag and dick around a little bit,
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hear some messages from the listeners, but we can't.
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There's too much business to get a...
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God damn it, Dad.
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Look, I'm sorry.
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We'll get to some messages down the road.
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This is the bracket all over again.
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It's not...
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This is the bracket all...
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It's not.
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It's just it turns out that sometimes we don't have as much time to dilly dally on the show
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that duty calls.
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And today is one such day.
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Today what we're doing, Jordan, is we're doing a time travel episode.
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Thank God.
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We're doing a time travel episode for our dear friend, we've never met, but still dear
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friend, Sonja from Sweden.
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Yay!
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Sonja!
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Sonja has gotten a hold of me and requested an episode, and that is July 22nd, 2011.
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Do you have any idea the significance of July 22nd, 2011?
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Ten times three is 21, plus one is 22.
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Numerology.
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22...
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You know, one plus one is two.
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Right.
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Two ones multiplied by two is 22.
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Brilliant.
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So that's what it is.
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That is not what it is.
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Oh, it's not what it is.
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No, it's not.
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What?
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Just playing around with numbers without even...
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I didn't even try and apply meaning to numerology, I was just like, look at numbers.
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That has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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Today we have a very meaty topic to get into, and it's going to be horrifying at points
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and very illustrative at other points.
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But before we get into that, here is a very uncharacteristic, out of context drop from
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today's episode.
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All right, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
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Okay.
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Full tilt boogie.
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What does that mean?
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Is that a colloquialism?
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It's not, and...
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Have you ever heard that before?
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Never heard anyone implore Paul Joseph Watson to go full tilt boogie on something.
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And actually, given the circumstances, I think that is very, very tacky.
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So I guess what we should do is just go ahead and start the episode, and then we can discuss
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why this is a date that someone, especially someone from Scandinavia, would send us.
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So are we going to go about like half tilt boogie on this then?
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I think we're three quarters tilt.
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Three quarter tilt.
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Okay, cool.
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All right.
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We are live.
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It is Friday.
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Thank you for joining us.
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The news is coming in fast and furious.
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The good news is we'll be back live this Sunday as well, 4 to 6 p.m.
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Breaking, Oslo blast blows out most of the windows of government building, looks like
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Oklahoma City, the damage.
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Prime Minister's office affected at least two dead, dozens wounded, massive vehicle
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bomb report, people trapped, eyewitnesses, total chaos.
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You notice that this is happening right now.
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Right as Europe is completely bankrupted by design by banker operatives in charge of every
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country in the EU.
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Norway is not and nor has it ever been in the EU.
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So that part of this narrative is already a little bit.
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But it's happening while it's happening.
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So if you didn't pick up on this, if you're not picking up the pieces, July 22, 2011 is
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the day that Anders Breivik committed one of the worst terrorist attacks in Western
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European history, a series of terrorist attacks across Norway.
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To give you a little bit of a quick breakdown of the relevant details, on July 22, 2011,
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Anders Breivik killed 77 people in two separate terrorist attacks in Norway, representing
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the fifth deadliest terrorist attack ever in Western Europe.
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At 1525 Central European Summer Time, which is 3.15 p.m., he set off a car bomb outside
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3.15 p.m. our time, no, their time.
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It would have been 8.00 a.m. our time, 8.15, 8.25 a.m. our time, excuse me.
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He set off a car bomb outside a government building that housed the office of the Prime
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Minister of Norway.
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The bomb he used was intentionally very similar to the one used by Timothy McVeigh at Oklahoma
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City.
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Eight people were killed and 209 were injured.
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Nearly 90 minutes later, Breivik arrived at the Norwegian Labor Party's Youth League camp
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on Utøya Island, having taken a ferry there while disguised as a police officer.
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Breivik quickly killed the camp director and security officer, at which point he had over
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an hour to terrorize the people on the island before emergency services could arrive.
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Though Oslo police were alerted two minutes after the first shot, their response time
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was greatly increased by the fact that they did not have a police helicopter, which could
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have taken them directly to the island.
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Twice during his rampage, Breivik called the police and tried to surrender, but ended up
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hanging up both times.
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It appears that he was toying with the police because he continued killing people in between
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the calls and after.
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Campers attempted to escape by swimming off the island, but a number of them were shot
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in the water by Breivik as he screamed, quote, you will die today, Marxists.
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By the time the Norway police arrived, he had killed 69 people, 50 of whom were 18 years
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of age or younger, and he had injured 110.
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When the police arrived, Breivik dropped his weapons and immediately surrendered.
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When the police arrived, the terrified campers begged the officers not to kill them since
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the original attack had been carried out by someone in a policeman's uniform.
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Initially, there were reports of an accomplice being arrested because their police wrongly
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arrested Anzor Djukayev, a 17-year-old victim.
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The rationale was that his haircut was different than it was on his ID, and they felt that
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his response to the attack was different than the rest of the people there.
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He didn't cry or freak out because as a child, he'd witnessed the massacres in Chechnya and
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likely had some form of PTSD.
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What the fuck?
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Right.
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So they arrested him and reports sort of were circling, and Alex is going to get into that,
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the idea that there were multiple shooters, which is based on this false arrest that the
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police put out and accidentally made.
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Thankfully, they at least did release him hours later, but still very, very dicey.
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Fuck that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Breivik immediately confessed to the bombing and the shootings, but refused to accept that
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he was wrong to do what he had done, calling it necessary.
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Though initially deemed criminally insane, a follow-up report by psychologists declared
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him sane, and he was tried and sentenced to 21 years in prison.
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But the good news about that is once his sentence is up, they can just indefinitely extend it
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forever.
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Oh, okay.
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So that's the way the legal system apparently works in Norway, where 21 years for terrorism
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and murder is the highest sentence they can give.
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And then at the end of that, they can be like, well, he's still a fucking terrorist who's
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a murderer and we can never let him go again.
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But we can only do that today.
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Gotcha.
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At his trial, he spoke clearly and with conviction about how what he did was not wrong and how
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he had an absence of remorse.
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He declared himself a modern day night Templar who was resisting the invading Muslims.
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Breivik showed a complete lack of remorse, but he did make one apology in court.
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He apologized that he had not killed more people.
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Six hours before the attack, Breivik posted a video on YouTube, including a picture of
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him in military uniform decorated with many medals he had not earned.
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In fact, he was deemed unfit for service and was never in the military.
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In the video, he depicts Islam as a Trojan horse coming to destroy Europe.
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If there's ever been a more open and shut case as it relates to right-wing racist terrorism,
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I'm not sure I've ever seen it.
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Every single aspect of Breivik's planning could be confirmed down to the front companies
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he established so it wouldn't raise suspicion when he bought masses of fertilizer to make
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his bomb.
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After being sentenced, Breivik offered to provide information about the other cells
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of his alleged terrorist network, cells that probably didn't exist.
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But his offer was rejected, citing completely impossible demands he was making, indicating
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that he, quote, doesn't know how society works.
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It turns out he offered the information on the condition that Norwegian and European
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societies be overthrown.
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In 2013, he threatened to go on a hunger strike if the prison did not give him a PlayStation
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3 to replace his PlayStation 2 because the PlayStation 3 had better games.
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In 2014, he threatened that he would starve himself to death if refused, quote, access
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to a sofa and a bigger gym, and again complained about the selection of video games he was
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provided.
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He complained in court that he was beginning to enjoy the reality show Paradise Hotel,
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which he claimed was proof that he had become brain damaged.
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Honestly, his life in prison sounds a little bit better than mine.
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The attacks began at 8.25 a.m.
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Austin time.
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The police arrived at Utoa Island at 11.25 Austin time, at which point Breivik immediately
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surrendered.
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Alex's show starts at 11 a.m.
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Austin time and concludes at 3 p.m.
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There's no reason for him not to know a good deal of information about what happened because
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a lot of this information, while there were misreporting in terms of that second possible
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shooter, a lot of the stuff had already happened by the time he got on air.
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A lot of it was unfolding, and so we should hold him to a higher standard of speculation
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on this episode.
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So that is what happened on July 22, 2011, and now we shall see how Alex covers this,
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and then I have a whole bunch more information coming up later from some really, really dark
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research that I ended up having to do for this episode.
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All right.
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So eventually what we're going to do is listen to a white supremacist and find any possible
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way to imagine that this act is not terrorism done by a white supremacist.
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Possibly.
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Any fucking validation of every criticism that's ever been levied against Alex in the
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entire history of his life.
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I will say that this episode does end up getting pretty damning, just in terms of Alex's journalistic
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integrity, in terms of some parallels that we'll be able to draw as this goes on.
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And just Alex is clear, I don't think that his reporting on this episode is bad because
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he's trying to defend a white supremacist.
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I think he just doesn't know what's going on and is making shit up.
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I think that he's just creating a narrative that fits what he talks about, as opposed
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to it being like, you'll see as this goes along.
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So the day after he tries to explain away white supremacism as he learns more about
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it.
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Undoubtedly.
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Well, the day after is Saturday, so he has the day off.
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But Sunday, I'm sure he sits down.
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He comes up with the false flag, they're trying to make it look like we're crazy for doing
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the whole thing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And on this episode, he doesn't get Steve Pachannik on, but multiple times says, we
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need Steve Pachannik.
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And so I'm sure by Sunday, he's had a chance to talk to him, and then they get the narrative
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that they need moving.
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So I'm sorry about that long detail reading, but I feel like it's important to know exactly
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the situation that we have on our hands.
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77 people were killed by a deranged man who hated Islam and hated liberalism and multiculturalism.
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And we'll get into how I'm very certain about what he was doing a little bit later.
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You know, that story, I am so anti-death penalty, and I am pro-prison conditions.
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Like in Oslo, they have prison conditions that are well taken care of.
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As you said, they have better living situations than you do.
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Somewhat.
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Somewhat, right?
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In some respects, the ability to walk is nice.
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He's kept in solitary confinement to a certain extent because they don't want him to set
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up a cell in prison or something like that.
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Which is a pretty legitimate concern, considering he's one of the worst terrorists ever.
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And clearly, I'll get to why I know this down the line, but he'd been planning this for
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at least since 2002.
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There were shell companies.
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He's been planning it.
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Yeah, it's elaborate.
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The idea that he would end up getting into a prison population and probably hooking up
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with people and trying to get some scheme going, it seems very likely.
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So he's kept in solitary confinement, but because solitary confinement is so cruel...
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It is technically torture, by the UN Human Rights Commission, I believe.
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And so one of the things that they have to do to accommodate the fact that they can't
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allow him to be around other people is that they have three cells that he's in.
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He has three cells.
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One is like a study that he has.
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One is a gym, and one is his sleeping cell, and he has this PlayStation that he's allowed
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to play games on.
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He has an electric typewriter.
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For a while, he had a computer, but not allowed to be hooked up to the internet.
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Yeah, of course not.
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And so they have to make these accommodations, and I understand that because you never, even
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the worst people in the world, you don't want them just rotting in a hole.
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Right.
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That says way more about us as a society than it does about what that person may or may
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not deserve.
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Of course.
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But that's what I'm saying.
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I would never want him to be kept in solitary confinement.
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I don't want him to be tortured.
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At the same time, he should be killed.
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He's lucky.
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That should be the situation, right?
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I'm against the death penalty, and I'm pro-better prison conditions.
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Absolutely.
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I think because he had a chance to surrender, which I don't know if he deserved.
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I don't know.
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I can't parse that out.
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But because he was given that choice and he did lay down his weapons, you can't then kill
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him.
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I don't...
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I mean, the Nuremberg, the Nazis got executed, I'm fine with it.
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I'm not for the death penalty, but there's a certain level of like, no, I don't want
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to torture you, but also you can't be around anymore.
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It's like it's kicking you out of the earth.
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Right.
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You'd hope, I mean, you'd wish that maybe we had like penal colonies or something like
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that.
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I don't know.
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But I don't know if that's even...
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Like back when Australia was where you just said Australia.
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I don't know, man.
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It's very difficult because your visceral reaction obviously is that.
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No punishment, including a PlayStation 3, is good enough for you.
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You know, like that's not...
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You deserve much worse, but then at what point are we comfortable, like, arbitering out much
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more severe punishment?
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Capital punishment.
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Right.
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Of course.
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I mean, I'm not even talking about capital punishment.
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I mean, I'm also talking about like abandoning someone on an island or something like that.
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Yeah, but that sounds more fun to me.
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Like, look, here's what I would do.
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I would rather he was just like no longer with us.
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Like, I don't want him to experience eternal pain or anything like that because there is
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no God or hell or anything like that.
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But it should just be like a severing of your ability to be human any longer.
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Yeah.
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You know, like, and I can make all the euphemisms I want for it, but he should be dead.
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Yeah.
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Like that's what should happen.
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You shouldn't be allowed...
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But at the same time, then he's a martyr for all of those people.
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And then he's an inspiration for them.
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Which honestly, I'm not sure you'd be able to avoid no matter what you do.
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Of course.
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Because the alternative is he's a martyr as a political prisoner.
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Right.
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Which we'll get to later.
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And he's a political prisoner with a PlayStation 2.
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You don't get to three now.
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You don't get to hold martyr status.
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It's tough.
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But he does complain that he only gets like childish games and doesn't get like modern
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warfare.
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Yeah, you're goddamn fucking right you're not.
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Christ.
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It's so bizarre.
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I don't know, man.
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I agree with you on a visceral human level, but I also like, I don't want to wrestle with
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those issues.
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Right.
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Because I don't think I'm equipped to and I don't know the right answer.
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Right.
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Like I'm philosophically opposed to capital punishment.
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As am I.
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But I also have no vested interest in telling the state of Norway how they can and can't
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mete out their justice.
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Agreed.
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So...
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And by all accounts, their justice system immensely improved over ours.
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It seems more humane.
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Yeah.
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So now let's jump back into the episode and let Alex lay out what his initial thoughts
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are.
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And again, this attack, I apologize that I fumbled up the time differences and stuff
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like that.
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Don't worry about it.
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At the beginning.
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But the attack began at 8.25 a.m.
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Austin time, Central Standard Time in the United States.
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Alex goes on air at 11.
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Everything was over by 11.25.
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Yeah.
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And I was really confused as to why you made it a point to get the time down.
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And then once you put it once you put it together, I was like, of course, that's an important
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thing that you should point out.
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It's not like this all broke out while he was on air.
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He had two and a half hours before the show of like, get your information together.
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Get on air.
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Right.
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And so it makes it worse that this is where he goes.
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And watch Fox News if you're that stupid and they'll at least tell you the white narrative
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that you want to hear.
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Right.
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So here, Alex gets into the baseline of where he's going to start things.
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As I told you, there's going to be shootings at shopping malls, bombings, and it will all
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be triggered right during the implosion.
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And they're even scripting that now saying Al Qaeda will strike us during an economic
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collapse.
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So so they're even getting you ready for the script.
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And the terrorists like to tell you what's going to happen so they get credibility when
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the terror attack happens.
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I know their criminology and their game plan, so I'm able to predict exactly what they'll
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do.
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I just told you yesterday and I've told you the last year over and over again, the bombings
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will start in Europe.
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They will then spread to the United States.
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But it will only happen during the banker receivership takeover.
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So everyone will be distracted from that and run worshipping to their loving, murdering
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government leaders.
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So his immediate reaction, like this is minutes after the show starts, is that he wants to
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make it sure that you know that this is a false flag.
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This is the government bankers staging something to get you to stop thinking about the idea
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that a lot of European economies are in trouble right now.
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I would say that that's irresponsible.
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But the other thing that he's doing, I believe he already started in the first clip, was
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he's trying to compare it to Oklahoma City.
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He's doing a lot of like, he's going to again later.
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He's trying to anchor that connection in people's minds.
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He's doing a lot of work in terms of trying to associate unrelated things to this event
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in order to further his argument, which is baseless, entirely baseless, that this is
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the bankers pulling a false flag.
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So I don't know, Sonya, by all accounts, you were a sweet person.
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You've given me every indication that you're a kind-hearted woman.
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And now I kind of think you hate me.
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I think you hate me.
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I think you've decided to be cruel to me.
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That's something that I was thinking as I was getting this ready, I was like, man, I
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love and hate Sonya so much right now.
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This is not great.
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Well, like, I will say that like the doing the research to get this episode together
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was one of the most six of one, half dozen of the other kind of experiences, because
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I do like digging into stuff.
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I like having a topic to learn about and understand.
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But also it turns out that this one is not something that's incredibly fun to understand.
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Yeah, that's why I'm saying this is an attack on me specifically.
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Like you at least get the modicum of enjoyment from doing a solid amount of research.
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It was up till four in the morning reading nonsense the other night.
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And it was what you were built to do.
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I guess so.
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Dan.
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And I am just an emotional fucking time bomb.
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The fact that I can weather it, I guess, says something not great about myself, but or good.
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I don't know.
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I don't know what it is.
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I don't know.
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So let's move along because we got a lot of ground to cover.
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And I don't want us to necessarily debate the merits of Sonya's hatred for me.
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Right, exactly.
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So Alex in this next clip gets into some predictions that he has, and I would say that all of them
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are not good.
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And they'll probably have some mentally ill patsies that were involved in this that they
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blame.
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He'll be completely drugged up for the rest of their lives in prison.
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You'll never see him in the media.
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You'll see a fake letter put out.
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He knows nothing about Oslo's prison system?
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No, Anders Breivik, since he went to prison, has tried to sue the government for violating
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his human rights in terms of his prison cell.
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He actually won the first case, and then it was overturned in the appeals court, the Supreme
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Court upheld the appeal.
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So they were like, no, we didn't.
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On the rule of fuck that guy.
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PlayStation 3 clause, you're fine.
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Fuck you, man.
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So, I mean, he's been out a bunch.
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There are articles periodically about various shifts he's made.
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I will say that from my research, I know that before the attack, he was very against Nazis.
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He was against Hitler and the National Socialists because he believed that they got the wrong
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guys.
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No, because they had done a disservice to the Germanic white race because they created,
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through their foolhardishness or whatever, Israel, Israel, and yeah, no, because he's
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not against Israel either.
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What the fuck is this guy?
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This guy's very confusing and it's tough to, this is frustrating, it's tough to nail down
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and I'll do my best to explain all of it in due time.
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But he's against Hitler and the Nazis before the attack because if they hadn't have tried
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to do this genocide that they did and he is not a Holocaust denier at all, which I found
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very strange.
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What?
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Fuck you, man.
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Yeah.
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He thinks that because of their actions, the blowback from it created the multiculturalism
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and the political correct society that he is so against.
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So he doesn't hate Hitler for the reasons you should, he hates him because the aftermath
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of it has created the world that we live in today where there's a plurality of people's
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rights and things like that and there's the idea that people should be able to live together
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in peace.
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So he's kind of more like one of those white nationalists who's like, no, no, no, no, I
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don't hate black people.
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I just think we should have a white nation for white people and then a black nation for
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black people and then a Muslim nation for Muslim people.
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He's into ethno states for sure.
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But he's also, it's tough to unpack if he hates like Chinese or black people or things
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like that because he's singularly focused on Muslims.
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So there is probably a lot of bigotry underneath, but the more you dig into him and like read
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things that people who knew him before would say, like past coworkers, he was such a quiet
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guy.
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No, not quite.
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There's a consistent thread of like, he was a really good worker, he was very competent,
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he would really get bothered and annoyed by Pakistani people dating white people and stuff
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like that.
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Pakistani men dating white women.
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And like just anytime Muslims would come up, he'd get mad and stuff like that.
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So it seems like there's a real stick in his crawl as it were about those specific folk.
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So I don't, look, my point-
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Just fucking go to bed.
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Fuck you.
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My point of pausing this clip is just to say Alex's prediction of this guy being a drugged
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up lunatic who you never see again is 100% wrong.
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No, he's a clear-eyed fucking terrorist murderer.
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And spoke in court to the effect of, I apologize, I didn't kill more people.
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Yeah.
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So-
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He's a psychopath who is a, yeah, fuck that guy.
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Even if the people blew themselves up in the cars, then they will find the passports on
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damage and that will be considered the immaculate, invincible passport made out of adamantium
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steel that Thor's hammer is made out of.
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It's not made out of adamantium.
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And of course, and it'll turn out that the Muslim extremists in this case were helped
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by the government, but that'll be a side issue and no big deal.
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So eyewitnesses report total chaos.
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So Alex is going out on a limb and saying this is Muslim terrorists and they were abetted
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by the government and probably blew themselves up in the car.
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All of these predictions, completely wrong.
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All of this is him getting on air immediately and creating a narrative that is irresponsible
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and based on nothing other than his quote unquote gut or whatever.
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His deep research that he does is like every time it's stuff like this.
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And it's not.
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It's absolutely not.
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Like right now, today, we are in a situation where in 2018, we're recording this on Sunday,
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there was a mass shooting this morning in Jacksonville.
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In the same way that we don't have all the details while we're recording this, it would
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be irresponsible for us to decide who did it and create some sort of a storyline out
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of that.
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If we were to say, oh, look at this, another white guy shooting up the place, whether or
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not that is the truth that comes out, we don't know that while we're recording this.
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And it would be fucking irresponsible of us to say that to people who may listen to us
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and think we know something.
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So he's doing that about this and it's disgraceful.
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It's real gross.
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It's even grosser than you even know.
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Oh, great.
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For some reason, like we deal with his white supremacy all the time, right?
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We deal with all of his shit all the time.
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But any time he, he minimizes tragedy the way that he does, like after any of these
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mass shootings, after any of that shit where all of these people die and he turns them
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into props that are, that might as well be fucking mannequins.
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Well, he goes full tilled boogie.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Isn't that even worse now that you know what this episode's about?
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That's so worse.
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Yeah.
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Crazy.
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God, it's, this is just such a fucking punch to the gut.
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Yeah.
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And I'm sorry to bring this into your life, but I do think by the time we get to the end
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of this, you'll understand much more fully why I think that this is like, as much as
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I'm mad at Sony for making me learn about this and you hear about this, I think that
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I'm overwhelmed by how much I appreciate her pointing us in this direction and saying like,
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hey, what happened that day, because I think that we can highlight something that is very
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demonstrative of a big, big problem about Alex Jones that I think that we have tipped
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the iceberg of perhaps, but I don't think that we've necessarily dealt with in the way
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that we should and we're going to over the course of this episode.
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This is, this is astonishing that we talk about his bullshit regarding Sandy Hook all
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the time, but this, this fucking shit.
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God damn.
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It's so much worse, man.
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We're only on the third clip.
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God damn.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, you, you hit the nail right on the head that he seems to enjoy this a bit.
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Yeah.
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Like at the beginning of the episode, the first clip we played, he was talking about
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the, uh, the shooting and the bombing with tones of kind of like almost excitement about
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it.
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They're like, there's total chaos.
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Yeah.
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He's doing like a, like a announcer voice about it.
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And that continues into this next clip.
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Uh, I really think he's relishing, uh, the fact that there is some sort of tragedy that
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doesn't touch him.
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Now obviously, you know, about the devastating explosion that went off in Oslo, Norway.
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Their capital blast blows out most of the windows of the government building housing
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the prime minister's office, massive vehicle bomb, a bomb inside a vehicle.
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We've got some footage of that.
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We're rolling for prison planet.tv viewers right now.
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Uh, also there's a report of people trapped in the building.
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It looks like Oklahoma city style devastation if you haven't seen the video of you're listening
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on the radio, eyewitnesses report total chaos now.
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So he's doing that voice with a total chaos.
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There's almost a, there's almost like a, a, we're going to, it leads, this is bleeding.
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This is going to lead that kind of thing, which is gross.
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And then you see him bringing up Oklahoma city again, he's trying to anchor those thoughts
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in your mind.
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The idea that there was a car bombing that went off, uh, make he's making it.
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And unfortunately there are similarities to Oklahoma city.
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And I know from researching this that he knew about Oklahoma city and was inspired in terms
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of his planning by what Timothy McVeigh did.
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And he was frustrated by the fact that he had done it because it made it much more difficult
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to get the bomb supplies that he needed to get in order to make his truck bomb.
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Because people realize at that point, oh shit, this fertilizer, let's make sure we keep track
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of who's buying a ton of this for no reason.
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So he lamented the idea that, uh, the crackdowns had happened since Oklahoma city.
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He hates Timothy McVeigh the same way he hates the Nazis.
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Like you guys, you guys fucked it up for me.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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God damn it.
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Yep.
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Oh God.
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So, uh, kill him.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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So in his, in his next clip, we get Alex Jones saying even more that this is a false flag.
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Uh, and uh, he gives his prediction on, he actually gets really specific about whether
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or not this is a real thing.
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And they like to target children.
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School buses are a favorite and they're going to move these systems into the United States
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and Europe.
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He's talking about the globalists.
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Right.
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Now I told you, this would come when the total collapse of Europe began.
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Next they'll move to the United States and England.
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And right as the banks, she's the pension funds go after the private pension funds,
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right as they slash benefits, but increase taxes, the terror attacks will be staged so
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that you are distracted by that and rally around the government in fear.
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They will also use it to knock off enemies.
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They like to kill multiple birds with one stone.
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And we're doing research right now on the leader of Norway.
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Um, I was already aware of this, uh, individual, no, you weren't not going along with the country.
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So they will also then not just get everybody to rally around the corrupt bureaucracy by
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staging terror attacks, uh, through the different variants.
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We don't know what type this is yet, but with the timing, it's not the very rare actual
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terror attack.
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I can tell you 98% chance there is a chance it could be real.
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I would say 2%.
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Okay.
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2% chance this is real.
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So Alex is, is correct in, in one sense and that like he's accurately read from reports
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that it was probable that Anders Breivik was trying to target the prime minister of Norway.
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And the reason is because he had deemed him a supporter of multiculturalism and someone
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who is unacceptable and a, I can't remember.
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He has three classifications of traders, class A, B and C traders.
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I can't remember which one he deemed the president or prime minister of Norway to be, but that
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was a big target for him.
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And additionally, Utøya Island, that youth camp, uh, that he targeted was from the Labour
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Party, which he also deemed to be a party that supported multiculturalism.
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That's why they were a target.
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And also a former politician who he deemed to be one of the big supporters of multiculturalism
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in Norway's past was scheduled to give a speech there and she did go give a speech there,
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but had already left by the time he got there because he got caught in traffic and shit
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on the way over to the island.
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So the idea that, like Alex is kind of, I mean, he's wrong about the globalists doing
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this, but Anders Breivik absolutely was targeting these people for the reason of killing and
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taking out these political figures who he deemed to be supporters of plurality, of race,
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culture, religion, all those things that he thought was going to destroy Europe.
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So...
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Whoo, boy!
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Uh-huh.
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Ugh.
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Yeah.
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Whites!
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Come on, let's, let's, let's get out of here.
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What?
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Look, all whites, everybody, everybody sucks.
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Just say, look, we got it, we got it, we got it, blow us up in space.
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I know that...
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Let's go on a fucking ark, blow it up halfway through the journey.
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I know that this expression has taken on, like, a slightly different meaning in the
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last year or two, but it's like, white, white guys, take a knee.
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Yeah.
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Sit this one out.
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Go away.
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Or just, just relax.
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Ugh.
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Relax.
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Underground.
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Listen.
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Underground.
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Build, build them a hole.
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Listen.
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Take things more seriously that don't directly involve you, or you think don't directly involve
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you.
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And this does, this absolutely does, like, it's, ugh, yeah.
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It's fascinating to me because I always knew about Anders Breivik, and I understood that
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he was, you know, a bigot, and committed these crimes, and things like that, but I didn't
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understand the full picture of it.
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And I think that the, I think that the media did a really terrible job of, of explaining
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what he was about, and really looking at the full picture.
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Because I think once you know some of the stuff that we're going to get into as this
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goes along, I think that there's a, you have to face the music in terms of what he was
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inspired by, what his goals were, what he, the people who were philosophically aligned
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with him, things like that.
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And I think you have to, you have to deal with, like, what are the commonalities of
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rhetoric that are being put out by him and other folk, and is it safe to say that he
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is the logical extension of that rhetoric?
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Right.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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Like, I think that you really have to wrestle with issues like that, and it's not fun to
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do.
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It's really, really not fun to do.
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Right.
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Especially at 3.30 in the morning.
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Right.
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Looking at this like, oh no.
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Is this, not to jump ahead, because I assume you are going to fucking hammer it home, but
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was this the guy who was inspired by that one dude in, like, the late 70s?
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No.
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Or was it another guy more recently who was a huge fan of this guy?
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I think there's...
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Who is, like, a political...
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I think a lot of people on the right have been inspired by him, I'll say that.
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He was mostly inspired, like, in terms of his origin, from the bombing of Serbia in
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the 90s.
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That was something that was like a watershed moment for him.
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I'll just cut the bullshit.
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He put out a manifesto and I read it.
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Oh, of course he did.
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So that's...
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Why wouldn't he?
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That's where I...
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And we'll get to...
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He has a study!
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Of course he put out a goddamn...
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No, it was before.
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No, it was before.
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I will get into all that.
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You know what?
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In terms of presentation and putting on a show, I was kind of hoping to hold that card
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and...
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Sorry!
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I'm sorry.
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I had to get it out.
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No, no, no.
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It's more...
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You didn't force my hand at all.
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It was more that I recognized that I kept saying, I have something and we'll get into
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it in a bit.
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And I feel like I'm teasing in a way that's inappropriate.
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And I should just tell you, a lot of questions are answered from his manifesto.
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And we'll get into that in a little bit.
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You were teasing like Jamie Lee Curtis in True Lies.
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Patriot Games?
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Wait, she wasn't in Patriot Games.
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She wasn't in Patriot Games.
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True Lies.
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The Arnold Schwarzenegger book.
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Yes, yes.
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It was a fine movie.
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Tom Arnold.
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Yeah.
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Anyway.
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I celebrate his catalog.
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The stupids.
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I swear to God, it is still funny in the wrong way.
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I've seen that like four times.
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It's funny in the wrong way.
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It's so good.
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It's one of the few movies my parents love.
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I don't know why.
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It's stupid.
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I think we love the books.
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Yeah.
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Speaking of the stupids.
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Yeah.
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Alex Jones.
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There you go.
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So in our 2009 investigation, one of my primary goals is to find out when Alex Jones started
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talking about George Soros.
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And so far, as we've gone through 2009, we've not seen any mention of him.
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There was one working theory.
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I didn't fully believe this, but there was one working theory that it was in 2014 Alex
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would have jumped on the Soros bandwagon because of Soros' involvement against Putin
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in Ukraine.
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Right.
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That he was a force trying to open societies up and stand against the encroachment of Russian
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influence.
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Right.
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And if I remember correctly, there was something to do with his son being specifically targeted.
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Alex Soros.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, no.
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There was more that Alex Soros before then would go and party in Russia, and then he
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was kicked out and wasn't allowed back in the country.
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From what I understand.
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Right.
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So that was one working theory.
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I didn't think that was necessarily the case, but it was open for a possibility.
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And because of this next clip, we now know it was at least before 2011.
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Also, we told you this last week because of our sources that you could look for a criminal
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investigation to be opened by the George Soros Justice Department.
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And I'm not saying there shouldn't be an investigation, but again, you have Satan investigating bathomat
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here.
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I mean, this is ridiculous.
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James Murdoch denies misleading panel, Reuters, Bloomberg, News of the World workers are offered
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jobs in Siberia.
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So the old joke, we'll send you to Siberia or the North Pole, Dow Jones outpost, Justice
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Department prepares subpoenas and News Corp inquiry to feed that, of course, into Soros.
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So this is about the News Corp scandal back in 2011.
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So that I felt bad because I didn't preface that like Soros isn't doing an investigation
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into Brevick.
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No.
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Also Satan investigating bathomat, I believe was an issue of the Vertigo comic Lucifer,
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which is a spinoff of Sandman.
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Ooh, Sandman, great ECW wrestler who terrifies my dreams.
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Not quite.
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Just had to get our mandatory wrestling reference in, check that off the box for today.
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Check it off.
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Yep.
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So he does dance around a little bit towards this point of the episode where he's kind
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of like, I've said my piece about Anders Brevick, or he doesn't even know the name or anything
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like that.
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Of course not.
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He would have to do a modicum of research.
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He said his piece about the Norway situation and now sort of dances off into other topics.
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But because he wants to fully reinforce his narrative after complaining about Soros getting
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his fingers in the pies of the News Corp investigation, whether or not that's true, I have no idea,
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he gets right back to calling this a false flag.
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Well, I'm sure Norway is going to go along with the bailout of the bankers, which is
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really the takeover of the bankers.
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After all, they need to do what the government says.
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Terrorists just hit them and hit them hard today.
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You can look for that every time bankers take down a country, the terrorists hit.
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So everybody, again, rallies around the government.
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Breaking Oslo blast targets, prime minister's office, massive vehicle bomb report, people
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trapped, eyewitnesses, total chaos.
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So again, he's just reading that exact same headline.
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He doesn't have anything past that headline.
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You've heard him read it like four times already.
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And do that same verbal lilt on the total chaos.
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Yeah, just just a mockery, a mockery of a tragedy.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I think that's fair.
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An absolute, just to remind you, car bombs and all of this stuff, but we know what it
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really is.
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It's the bankers.
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Also, you can find plenty of instances of terrorist attacks that have had nothing to
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do with banker takeovers and stuff like that.
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If you want to if you want to say that, like, you can you can point out a few times that
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there have been countries in financial trouble where terrorist attacks have happened.
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That doesn't prove anything.
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That is at best a coincidence.
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You need to do better than that.
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Or even further, perhaps if you are in financial trouble and you see that there is a ruling
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class that does not share within that financial trouble, it is much more likely that your
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complete, the complete destruction of your life would lead towards a an idea of, well,
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what have I got to lose?
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There's a desperation that yes, and that kind of explains some behaviors.
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But that's not doesn't explain this one.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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This one's this one's straight up psychopathy, hate, hate.
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Yeah.
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So here's another.
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Alex Jones wants to cite some more statistics about bombings.
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And boy, I'd love to see some citations on this.
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Zero percent of bombings committed by white people are terrorism.
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One hundred percent of bombings committed by brown people are Muslim attacks.
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No, because at this point, that's a strange statistic to flout around.
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At this point, he still thinks it's Muslims who did it.
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Yeah.
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That are being funded by bankers.
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But even then, the Muslims are a false flag.
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He doesn't know.
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But he should know by now, because I believe reports had already come out that it was a
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white guy.
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Yeah, like that.
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He should know that.
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And he will down the road.
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But at this point, he still thinks it's al Qaeda or something like that.
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Right.
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So here's a stab.
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And again, I need citations.
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So we're going to continue breaking all of that down.
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But I cannot I cannot state any more clearly to all of you out there just how big of a
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deal this is, just how huge.
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It is.
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That there have been bombings in Europe because nine times out of 10 or more, these bombings
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in Europe and the United States are completely 100 percent staged.
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Yikes.
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90 percent of the time, they are 100 percent stage nine out of 10 times.
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Everything is the globalists meddling around and trying to force.
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I don't fucking know at this point.
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You know what?
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He does a really smart thing that I think he lost track of a little bit later in his
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career.
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He's saying that this is fake 100 percent.
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But he's couching his language in a really smart way that makes it so like, in case I
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get in trouble for this, all I said is 98 percent chance it's fake.
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All I said is nine out of 10 times.
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It's fake.
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Yeah.
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He's telling his audience from there.
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Right.
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He's telling his audience it's fake.
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Absolutely.
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Oh, yeah.
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But he has in the same way when he says, I'm going to kill you politically.
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Right.
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He's couching his language in such a way that it's like all stakes are off.
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I'm not saying shit.
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It doesn't mean anything.
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There's no consequences for me behaving this way by my shit.
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I am saying this is fake, but I am also implying that it might not be fake.
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But I'm telling you to err on the side of this is fake.
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And definitely, if somebody tells you otherwise, well, there's a 98 percent chance they're
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lying to you.
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They might be in on it.
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Yeah, exactly.
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They might be a fucking globalist.
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Right.
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Better get them in a hot tub.
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What are you going to believe?
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Like, oh, statistically, they're most likely lying to you about it not being fake.
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Right.
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So even if it is real, you'll never be able to believe them that it's not real because
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you're fucking crazy because I'm fucking crazy.
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I think you did a thorough breakdown of that line of thinking there.
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Yeah.
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Something along those lines.
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I would say so.
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Right.
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We know in 2018, Alex Jones's SNL reel includes his great Chris Cuomo impression.
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Right.
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His great impression of George Soros slash Dracula.
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Yeah.
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Bernie hasn't come into the play yet.
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Well, of course, that is his best impression.
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Right.
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Now, it would be surprising for us to find out that he kind of likes Bernie in 2011.
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Would that surprise you?
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No.
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Well, here's a clip.
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Senator Bernie Sanders has released the Fed audit, a partial audit confirming 16 trillion
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in secret payments to foreign banks and private individuals and companies like MSNBC in the
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last two years, 16 trillion dollars.
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That's not a real amount of money.
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This is what the heist is about.
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This is why government's going along with it.
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They're getting paid off.
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And Senator Sanders shouldn't get on airplanes any time soon.
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I'll tell you that right now.
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So he has like a positive impression of Bernie Sanders at this point, because even at that
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point, auditing the Fed, he was the most popular politician in America in 2011 among people
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who knew him.
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Yeah, perhaps.
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Yeah.
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And also was a socialist back then to stand.
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But that's why that's why there's no way I didn't believe you that he was a huge fan
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of Bernie's at the time, because the more vehement he is towards somebody now, the
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more likely it is that there's a 98% chance that prior to 9 times out of 10 that there's
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a 100% chance that prior to 2015, everything that he believed was upside down world.
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With an exception of like Rand and Ron Paul.
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Yeah.
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But that's just because...
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And white fear.
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Right.
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Right.
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Well, but I was talking about like specific people.
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Right.
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Right.
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And a lot of that has to do with Ron Paul's old newsletters, quite frankly.
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So I don't know if that's a great thing.
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So somehow I really want to know how he felt about Ross Perot right now.
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I bet he loved him.
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He's Texas.
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Right?
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He loved him.
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Yeah.
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There's no way we could find those episodes.
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I know, but I want to know now.
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I should call in.
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Yeah.
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I bet what he would say is like Ross Perot had good ideas, but he was misguided.
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Right.
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And then the globalists came in and threatened to kill him, and that's why he went out of
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the election.
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Right.
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I remember that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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They threatened his wife.
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They were too afraid that he was going to actually take states and lead to...
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But then he accidentally wound up on the ballot anyway.
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So he's like, fuck it.
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Why not?
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Man.
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Yeah.
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Gotta do it.
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So...
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Is that Bernie Sanders that you just did right there?
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You know what?
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You know what's going on?
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From my childhood watching like SNL sketches, I don't fucking really know if I know the
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difference between Dana Carvey's impressions...
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Of Ross Perot or George H.W. Bush.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I know that they're different, but at the same time, I'm not sure which one is which.
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I'm genuine.
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I agree with you.
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Yeah.
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I agree with you.
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Bill Hartman's Bill Clinton is Bill Clinton more than Bill Clinton is.
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Best of all of those, though, is Norm Macdonald's Bob Dole.
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Oh, Norm Macdonald's Bob Dole is the best.
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Yeah.
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So until this year when you have a Tamanic and a Domian with their Bernie and Trump irrespective.
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That's stepping the game up so fucking hard in terms of political impressions.
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I don't know if anyone can ever top that.
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No.
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So in this next clip, Alex is still off the Norway situation.
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He's sort of rambling about his fears about the economy.
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I'm looking at actually...
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I'm not gonna get into it.
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You are.
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I mean, building a fortress because I'm not looking at it.
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I've got to do it.
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I'm so busy fighting here.
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I know my family's not safe.
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I've already run to the countryside in preparation for this.
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And so have all the other people who are aware of what's going on.
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So have government people.
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That's on record.
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Rich, moving to the country, building armored compounds.
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Armored redouts.
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Why do you think?
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Yeah, like Peter Thiel.
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And this could still be partially reversed.
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You see, instead it's gonna be accelerated and then the very people that orchestrated
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it, they're going to be in charge of the next solution and being our protectors.
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And if we get to Uppity, terrorists just blew up the building.
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We found a dashboard.
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You're not allowed to use the word Uppity.
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Whoops, he accidentally got back to the Norway topic while he's rambling about other stuff.
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So Alex is going to build a fortress.
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That's very exciting.
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What good is a partial reversal?
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First question.
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Second question, what kind of fortress?
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Are we talking like 14th century Irish castle?
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Are we talking like-
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Well, he's Welsh.
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He has a Welsh heritage.
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He's Welsh.
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All right.
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So I would assume something along those lines would be involved.
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Something from the South England tradition.
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Right.
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The strange part is this is the only situation where I am truly, genuinely racist.
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I don't like the Welsh.
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I just don't like the Welsh.
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Is that racist?
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Probably.
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Why not?
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Yeah.
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No.
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Negative one point for your racism.
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Negative one point for my racism towards the Welsh.
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Anti-Welsh bigotry.
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Anti-Welsh bigotry is my thing.
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You gotta have one.
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I'm biased against people who build fortresses, unless you're a child and then it's fun.
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Like you're building a pillow fortress.
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Maybe you made it out of snow.
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All right, guys.
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I'm going to build an igloo.
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Hey, listen.
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Also, the floor is lava.
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Jump from couch to couch, goddammit.
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Kids, your plan.
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No one's exempt.
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So I just think that's fun and demonstrates a sort of state of mind.
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Very serious paranoia.
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In this next clip though, this is a clip I might've heard differently a month ago because
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on a recent episode we found from present day in 2018, Alex confessing on air that he
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probably killed a dude.
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He did probably kill a dude, technically, which is still killing a dude.
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And that, of course, is going to come into play of how I hear various clips about his
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past violence.
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Yeah.
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And so now-
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It's almost like we need to go back and start all over again.
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From the top.
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Let's, hey, what was the first episode we did?
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2017, January 8th.
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Let's start it up.
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The secret of 2017 is probably much worse now.
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It's that he killed a guy.
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So I now hear this next clip and I think he might've killed a couple of guys.
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Oh no.
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They did this to take over.
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They have taken over.
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But if a guy comes to your house and says at gunpoint, I'm going to tie, get over there,
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I'm tying you up and I'm going to rape your wife.
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Just because he has a gun and it's taken over your society doesn't mean he has a right to
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do it.
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And we're going to have to-
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Right.
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And even if he ends up shooting us, you know, fall down and grovel and act like we're scared
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and grab the gun away.
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By the way, I'm not just talking, I've actually done that growing up in Dallas, a knife and
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a gun.
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Well, in one case I didn't grovel, one time I did, the other time I just waited and grabbed
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the thing away and well, I'm not going to get into the rest of it.
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But it's in the police files in Dallas and Rockwall.
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The point is, is that, is that you don't have a choice.
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I'm not going to sit here and watch my family rape.
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Fine.
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He left Dallas and Rockwall and moved to Austin in his sophomore year of high school.
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So he would have been 15, 16 at the time.
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Whatever he's describing could very well be true and in police reports that are closed
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because he was a minor.
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Those aren't accessible to public searches and things like that.
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No, of course not.
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So the idea that when you do some sort of a check on Alex in terms of arrests, warrants,
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things like that, something doesn't come up, he straight up could have stabbed a dude in
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a fight when he was a minor and it's not anywhere on his.
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And I'm absolutely certain none of our listeners would be able to find that ever.
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There's no possibility.
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I don't think they could unless they had access to like the internal database of, I don't,
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I don't want them to do that.
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Anybody, anybody, anybody listening to Dallas Fight work for Dallas and Rockwall police
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department?
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I don't want anybody to do that because I believe in the sanctity of like covering up
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childhood criminal and not because I got arrested as a kid or anything like that.
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I think that that's a really good part of society in terms of like, you know, you get
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arrested for stealing something as a kid and once you get older, if you haven't committed
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more crimes, it's erased from your record or whatever.
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Your brain wasn't fully formed.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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No, I respect that.
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I think that that's important.
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And so I would like to...
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In Alex Jones's case though, as we know, he is still a child.
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So it's true.
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In a certain sense, all of his records should either be expunged or public.
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And I also like, I mean, if he killed a dude in a street fight, like that's different than
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like stealing or something like that.
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It's a little bit different.
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Still, I respect the privacy of it.
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And I also think there's something to be said for the idea of like what he's describing
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here is possibly self-defense.
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So like if he did get into a fight with someone who had a knife and he ended up stabbing that
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guy or something like that with the guy's own knife, I don't think that that's murder.
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Although also Alex Jones is an unreliable narrator.
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A little bit.
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So the idea that it is self-defense, I think is even up for question.
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Furthermore, once again, to hammer this point home, how do you think he would have been
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tried?
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Were he not a white dude?
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No, no, no.
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All racism.
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In Dallas?
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All racism in Dallas is against white people.
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We all know that.
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Oh, that's right.
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No, that's right.
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Alex has very clearly told us about that.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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I apologize.
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I retract that statement.
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I'm sure Jerry Jones is not, is a great guy.
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Hee-haw!
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Um, I just, that was my impression of him.
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I assume he said something like that in the Cowboys locker room.
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I'm not sure.
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Anyway, in this next clip, um, the department of Homeland Security, uh, had, uh, previously
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to this, uh, probably at some point in 2011, maybe even before that, put out some publications,
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some sort of, uh, some indications that they believed that one of the things to be concerned
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about was homegrown terrorism.
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The idea of white people committing terrorist acts was something that they wanted, uh, folks
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to be on the lookout for.
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And good news!
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It was unfounded!
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I can't think of any!
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Right.
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Thanks, Department of Homeland Security!
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But no thanks.
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We won't be needing your services.
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So now Alex takes that and weaves it into his narrative about Norway, which is pretty
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interesting.
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I'm also going to get into DHS denies racial overtones and white middle-class terrorist
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video.
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They responded to Breitbart, Fox News, the Daily Mail, to our story that broke yesterday
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and was the number six largest story, according to Alexa, on the web yesterday.
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Check your own dick.
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It was even bigger today.
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Every talk radio show I've tuned into is talking about it.
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And giving Infowars.com credit, that's great because more folks will come and find the
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truth of what's going on at Infowars.com.
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Prairie Home Companion 2?
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Here's Fox News, DHS video characterizes terrorists as white Americans.
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Here's the Mail, who does Homeland Security think poses the greatest risk?
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Video portrays white middle-class as the most likely terrorist.
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Here's Breitbart, says they contacted Homeland Security and confirmed it was their video.
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Kind of like when we got the MIAC report saying returning veterans are the number one terrorist.
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People couldn't believe it for a week, even Ron Paul couldn't believe it.
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And Homeland Security said, no, Alex does have a real classified document.
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Of course I did.
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You think we make anything up here now?
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Yes.
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Generally.
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Yes.
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Also.
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90% of the time.
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100% of the time.
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Fake laugh?
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Oh, yeah.
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Okay.
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Everyone drink.
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Sorry.
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It's been so...
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That reflex is gone now because the more we spend time in the present, it never laps.
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And I think we're a little shell-shocked on this episode too.
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There's a lot of heaviness and we're desperately trying to make some fun along the way.
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But yes, Alex, I do think that you make up a lot of stuff.
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And that's a really shitty sort of misunderstanding of what the Department of Homeland Security
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was trying to express.
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Also, it's really funny on this episode where we now know that the terrorist attack in Norway
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was carried out by a white person who had strictly non-multiculturalist views that inspired
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him.
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And he was complaining about the United States being like, guys, we should be aware that
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this is a trend that...
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But Norway is a majority white country.
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That would never happen in America, which is a...
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All right.
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All right.
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So now we get a guest, Jordan.
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We get a guest on the show.
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Alex is pivoting away from the Norway talk.
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And this guest isn't someone who we've encountered yet in the past, but she is someone who has
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a real fun backstory for me to tell you.
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I gotta get to all the other news.
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I haven't even hit the tip of the iceberg here, but I know truth when I hear it.
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And here's the problem.
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I do all this research late night, every night, everything I heard her say was absolutely
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true.
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And more.
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And I'm driving down the highway listening to her a couple of days ago on Dr. Stan Monteith's
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Genesis show.
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Comes on like four or five.
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And I'm driving around doing an errand, listening to about 20 minutes.
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Drinking.
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Janet Phelan, who's an investigative journalist.
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And boy, she's been through a lot for covering this, but everything she said is admitted.
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Cool.
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I know Janet Phelan's name.
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Do you?
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Why do I know her name?
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I don't know.
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She's a writer who mostly, it seems like a lot of what she covers is biological weapons.
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It seems to be a topic that she covers a lot.
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She's written a number of books.
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One of them is called Hitler's Poems, which I tried but could not find a synopsis of.
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I don't know if it's a positive book about Hitler and his poetry.
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No, it was just a book of poetry.
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It could be.
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Written by Hitler.
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Or poems about him.
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I have no idea.
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I could not find any excerpts or anything.
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Just that it exists.
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You know what's crazy?
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All limericks.
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Sure.
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Hitler only wrote limericks.
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There once was a Hitler from Nantucket.
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So I'll give you a little bit of information about Janet Phelan and we'll see if any of
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this jogs her memory where you might know her from.
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So Janet Phelan's an investigative journalist who largely seems to specialize in bioweapons
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and has made a career out of arguing that the United States has consistently and wantonly
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violated biological and chemical weapons treaties.
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Her appearance on Alex Jones' show today that we're talking about is largely speculative,
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arguing that we don't know if the research that the labs are doing in the United States
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are offensive or defensive.
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But she provides nothing to suggest that they are in fact offensive.
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It's an appeal to an argument as flimsy as who knows?
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I mean, logically, the answer is both, maybe.
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But if there is also, you know, there's papers that come out, there's stories that come out
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that explain the research that's being done in terms of creating virulent strains of things.
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One of the big reasons that they do it is to test defenses against them.
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Right.
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We'll get into a specific example of that here in a second.
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And you ask yourself the question, why is it that we have a particularly dangerous smallpox
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virus held by, you know, people who are fallible?
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Right.
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You know, that kind of thing.
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And one of the reasons is because the idea that we aren't the only people who have caches
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of smallpox and the idea of becoming weaponized would destroy the fucking world.
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Exactly.
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And so the idea is you try and come up with as many inoculations, as many cures that you
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can, try and find ways around and try to mitigate the damage of it becoming weaponized.
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So there are researchers who do that.
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It's like it's like nuclear weapons.
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Nobody should have them.
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But until nobody has them, people should have them.
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At the same time, I do think it's naive to think that we're not doing anything on that
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front.
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Right.
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You know what I mean?
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Exactly.
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You know, so the logical answer is both.
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Right.
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Right.
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And like you get to just play a game with yourself and whatever you like to believe
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when you ask what is the primary motivation?
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You know, that's that's a whole question that you can't really answer primary motivation.
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You can, but whatever you want to believe.
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Right.
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But I mean, and even then, it's like, what person is doing the research, you know?
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Right.
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Like, we can't know the intentions until we ask somebody and then you meet a real mad
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scientist and you're like, oh, that's not good.
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Right.
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So Janet Phelan has an interesting career behind her.
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She writes for and released a book called Exile through a publication called New Eastern
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Outlook.
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Politico describes New Eastern Outlook as, quote, a geopolitical journal published by
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a government chartered Russian Academy of Sciences.
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And it runs headlines like, quote, Ukraine's Ku Klux Klan, NATO's new ally.
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As the United States confronted Russian ally Bashar al-Assad for using chemical weapons
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against Syrian children this spring, the site trumpeted, quote, proof Turkey did 2013 sarin
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attack and did this one, too.
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And quote, exclusive Trump apologized to Russia for Syrian attack.
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The Budapest Beacon said that the New Eastern Outlook is, quote, known to be Kremlin backed
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a Russian propaganda outlet targeting foreign audiences.
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An article in Sputnik with the headline, quote, Here's how Putin and healthy diet made Russian
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products in China a hit was based on an article from the New Eastern Outlook.
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It is a front for a Russian state think tank, the Academy of Sciences, that puts out pro
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Russian propaganda for foreign audiences.
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How do you say super male vitality in Russian, Dan?
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So I don't know.
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OK.
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Andrei Vichik, one of the main forces behind New Eastern Outlook, wrote an article in 2015
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titled How to Fight Western Propaganda, where he argues that Eastern propaganda, where he
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argues that in order to counter the West, it's essential to focus on emotion.
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He begins, quote, First they manufacture monstrous lies and then they tell us we should be objective.
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Is love objective?
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Is passion?
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Are dreams defendable, logical and philosophically?
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Andrei goes.
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No.
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Quick answer.
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No.
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Andrei goes on to ask, quote, Do we counter the tactics and strategy of the destructive
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and ruthless empire with our honesty, with research, with telling and writing meticulously
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investigative facts?
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Yes.
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He does not directly answer that question, but it's heavily implied that the answer is
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no.
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As he goes on to say, quote, When facing murderous hordes, poetry, emotionally charged songs
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and patriotic odes have always been more effective than deep academic studies.
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All of them written by Hitler.
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And so were political novels and films, passionate documentaries, even explicit cartoons and
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posters.
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Some would ask.
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Goebbels was great.
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Some would ask, just because they are lying, should we lie as well?
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No.
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We should try to be as truthful as we can.
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He's a connoisseur.
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We should try to be as truthful as we can.
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But our message should often be, quote, abridged.
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So the billions, not just the selected few, can understand it.
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So he's going with the spark notes of reality and he's leaning heavily towards not the real
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ones.
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He's one of the main people behind the New Eastern outlook.
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And his article here very clearly lays out, like, yeah, we should try and tell the truth,
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but abridged truth ain't truth, buddy.
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Advocating for that is advocating for a murkiness of fact, murkiness of truth.
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So now, on the other hand, not entirely wrong.
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People react more to emotion than they do to reality.
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If you're talking about that as a psychological assessment, sure, yeah.
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That's accurate.
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No, no, no.
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It's a lot easier to lie to people and ruin the world.
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See?
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Done.
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Yeah, but as a sort of guiding principle for one of the people who's in charge of the New
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Eastern outlook, I think that indicates to me that maybe they don't have a hard journalistic
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editorial stance.
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They might not be as interested in it as we are.
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In preservation of truth.
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And when you say we, you mean you and I, not...
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No, definitely not America or our media at all, ever.
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So that's the publication that she works for and released a book through, which is a Russian
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foreign propaganda front that has a dicey relationship with the truth.
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All right, so then I'm assuming that means that I can trust everything she says in this
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interview.
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Undoubtedly.
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Implicitly.
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Good.
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So most of the interview...
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I'm glad I don't have to use any higher order thinking at all, Dan.
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I prefer to just respond as though everything she says is absolutely true.
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It's a categorical fact.
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Thank you very much.
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Play that clip, Dan.
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I'm not gonna...
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We're not gonna listen to any of her.
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Okay.
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Well, because most of it is just stuff like they can't possibly prove and it's just nonsense.
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Yeah.
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Alex is talking about like level two, three, and four biological labs and stuff like that.
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And he's like, some twos are threes, but some threes are fours.
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And it's like, is this a logic puzzle?
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What are you doing?
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All men are gentlemen, but not all gentlemen are men.
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And you have to make sure that all sides show the same color.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Great.
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I was going through it and I'm like, if we try and get into any of this, it's gonna be
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a time suck.
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And I just don't think there's any use in...
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You can just sort of punt and just say like...
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What's the level four biological research?
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I think Alex might explain in this next clip.
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The point is there are level four mousepox that'll kill 99% of humans that come in contact
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with...
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Mousepox?
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That's even mainstream news.
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In level three facilities that aren't even level three.
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So you got a sense of...
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What does that mean?
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I got a sense of what I'm talking about there.
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That aren't even level three?
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Does that mean that they're...
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They're secretly level two.
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I think it has to do with like the level of defense that's around it, like whether or
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not they have to be deep underground and shit like that.
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Right.
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So he talks about mousepox and he actually talks about it multiple times on this episode,
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this idea that there's like really dangerous mousepox and he's like, it's mainstream news.
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So I looked into it and I found the article he's probably talking about.
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Does it mean you break out in mice?
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No.
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So I found the article that he's talking about, about the danger of mousepox, I'm assuming
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because it sort of matches his narrative.
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It's true that there was an article and there's a headline in the New York Times that reads
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quote, bioterror researchers build a more lethal mousepox.
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There's a fucking scary headline, but it seems pretty likely that Alex didn't read the rest
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of the article.
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The article is about how researchers spliced a single gene into the existing mousepox virus
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that would make it super lethal in an effort to test preventative measures they had concocted
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because it's often how we develop protections for humans.
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Yeah.
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Quote, the scientists said that the results showed that the best defenses proved quite
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effective in preventing deadly disease, not only in mice, but probably in humans exposed
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to customized smallpox of similar designs.
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So that's a really huge benefit that we could...
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Yeah, that's a plus.
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Yeah, that's a really, really good thing.
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If somebody starts sending mousepox all around, dude, we got fucking mousepox against fighters.
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Yeah.
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And so one of the big...
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No, it doesn't even just apply to the mousepox.
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It applies to other sort of augmented smallpox viruses.
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Like catpox?
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Sure.
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Ratpox?
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Cowpox.
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Cowpox.
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That is one of them.
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That is real.
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Yeah.
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Let's just name animals and put pox at the end of it.
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It's nearly invaluable, the idea of having this protection.
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There's no other way to design them without designing the viruses that they would protect
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against.
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Yeah.
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I think it's...
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Not gross, but I think it's scary, certainly, the ideas about it.
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And it's sort of weird to your thought process of like, there's scientists sitting around
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giving these animals horrible diseases.
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You don't like that.
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But at the same time, thanks, New York Times, for the clickbaitiest headline you could possibly
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make instead of, scientists still working to protect you.
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Right.
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So Alex keeps trying to get people scared about the prospect of these diseases like
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mousepox getting out.
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But from the article, quote, the leaders of the research said that the lethal mouse virus
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would have no effect on humans, even if it somehow escaped from the laboratory, which
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they said was safeguarded at biosafety level three, the second highest degree.
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But we know that's not really level three.
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According to Alex, with no evidence, quote, to my knowledge, there's no scientific evidence
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to suggest this kind of research poses any sort of human risk, said Mark Buller, a professor
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of molecular microbiology at St. Louis University, who directed the mousepox research.
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Do you mean the director of prologue to all zombie movies?
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Many experiments have shown the mousepox does not cause disease in humans, he said.
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Quote, experts said both the threat of such developments and the federal response seemed
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part of the theoretical debate, not something to worry about for now.
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They split over whether the research was prudent.
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So any kind of arguments that happened in the actual scientific community were like,
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should we do this?
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Is this worth it?
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Is it good?
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Is it bad?
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Is this is this a legitimate risk that we are defending against?
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Or is it, you know, or is it like, hey, great, guys, you created a vaccine for mousepox,
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a huge issue for mice.
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Or is it?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Can only mammals get pox?
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Is there like snake pox?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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All right.
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Moving on.
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Yeah.
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So now we get back to the Norway situation where a little bit later in the show, Alex
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has no reason to not know a lot of the details about it, other than him not really caring
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to not really caring to do his job as a journalist.
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Right.
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And so he gets back to it.
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And in this clip, he makes it very clear that he knew that it would be jihadis, the latest
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on the Oslo Norway blast targeting the prime minister's office, massive vehicle bomb report
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people trapped eyewitnesses, total chaos, helpers of the global jihad claim responsibility,
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and so he read the exact same headline again.
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And then, yeah, helpers of the jihad have claimed responsibility.
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And this is an issue that's important.
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A lot of times, terrorist groups claim responsibility for things that they didn't do.
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And that's why you have to always report those sorts of things in breaking situations with
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a caveat.
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You can't just say, oh, they said they did it.
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They did it.
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Yeah.
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So he's not doing that.
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He's not following appropriate protocol.
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Yeah.
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It's awfully smart for ISIS to claim responsibility for every terrorist bombing as though they
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are everywhere all the time.
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You know.
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To be fair, this was helpers of jihad.
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Sure.
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Like terrorists creating terror.
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Right.
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That seems to help them when they take responsibility for things that they don't do.
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Things that are terrifying.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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And it's a really good gamble to make because oftentimes, people don't survive these attacks.
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So they aren't there to say, no, I wasn't with them or anything like that.
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And even then, it's always a good gamble because, what, are people going to be mad at you that
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you're lying?
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No.
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You're already a terrorist group.
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You're already a terrorist group.
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Yeah.
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And two, enough people are going to believe you regardless of whether or not they even
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they know that it's true.
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Like Alex or whomever.
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In game theory, that's what's called like a dominating strategy.
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Yeah.
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That's a win win.
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Any other move is stupid.
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Yeah.
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And you have to do it quick because another terrorist group might do the same thing.
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Right.
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So you got to be the first one.
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And that's why there's misreporting very generally.
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It'd be awful if like the Sons of Anarchy tweeted that they did it.
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That show?
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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OK.
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It's Ron Perlman.
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This is right as Europe says no to the banker takeover.
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Oh, look, terrorist issue.
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The government says we keep you safe.
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Man dresses police officer opens fire.
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Now reportedly there's been shootings that we should have just shifted to this earlier.
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This is so big at a summer camp also in Norway or killed.
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And I guess this is why Al Qaeda hitting again.
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We were told what Al Qaeda was about to attack.
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We'll see him.
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Oh, they say he was dressed like a cop.
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Help us.
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They yelled for kill.
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The answer is get a Second Amendment there in Norway.
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Hey, dumb fuck.
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Guess what?
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You can own guns in Norway.
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Don't they have a shit ton of guns?
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They don't have a Second Amendment because that's an American construct.
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Right.
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But hey, guess what?
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Second Amendment to what?
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Guess what I know from reading his goddamn manifesto.
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He bought the guns in Norway legally.
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You can buy guns except for automatic weapons in Norway.
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They just have some standards like in terms of if you're going to buy a gun, you need
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to have some training courses and you need to give a valid reason for why you would want
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it.
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Some of the reasons that they allow are hunting, hunting, sports, recreation, self-defense
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or track and field for doing the shot put.
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Or if you are employed in a protective security guard.
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Those are all valid reasons in Norway for you to own a gun.
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Alex, you are a gun guy.
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You should know gun laws.
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Guns are not outlawed in Norway the same way he would like that to be the case.
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I would say that the reason that the people were unarmed is because they were on an island
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on a summer camp and there was a guard there and Anders Breivik was, I wouldn't say smart
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enough, but he was aware enough to kill that guy immediately.
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So he took that guy out.
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It's almost like he targeted the guy with a gun.
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Right.
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In order to neutralize.
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So Alex's only argument is like every one of those children should have had a gun.
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Right.
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And that's what I don't want ever to be the case in our world.
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Exactly.
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That's absolutely the wrong angle on this.
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They were at a fucking camp where they're learning and they're clearly politically motivated
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because it's a labor party political camp.
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So like they're there, they're having a good time.
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You got to assume that if they're like, a lot of the people were under 18 who were there,
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they're probably fucking nerds.
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You know, like I don't mean that to be a dig.
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I hung out with all the kids who did Model UN when I was a kid.
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They're political.
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That's awesome.
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All the debate kids, they're fucking nerds.
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They're great.
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And it's really hard to zip line when you have an AK on your back.
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You don't want them having guns.
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And well, not because of anything they would do, but they don't want guns either.
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Yeah.
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Just going from like, they're political nerds.
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Yeah.
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You don't want them having guns.
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Well, you don't want them having guns because they would not know how to use them.
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They're not the sort of fantasy Rambo kid that Alex is probably imagining.
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Right.
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Two of the kids were fucking 14 who got killed.
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Like it's disgusting.
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Yeah, just to be super clear, if you're listening to this, the only reason we are laughing is
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because this tragedy is just beyond comprehension and this is the only way to live.
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Not only that, that is a part of it, but the prescriptions that Alex is making are fucking
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lunatic.
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Yeah.
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Like what we're doing is laughing about this stupidity of what he's trying to say.
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Like, oh, well they need a second amendment in Norway.
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No, they fucking don't.
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To what?
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The US constitution?
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You can have guns.
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And the idea of like, oh, there was no one to protect those kids on the island.
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There was, the guy killed him immediately and you don't want these kids having guns.
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It would, it would make for, first of all, not a fun camp experience.
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And then second of all, like, like we're joking around about, they are, they don't want to
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have guns.
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They want to go to camp, you fuck.
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So God, this sucks.
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This whole fucking thing just sucks.
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Every part of being alive now kind of just sucks.
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Yep.
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So now it's going to suck even more.
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I'm going to get into the manifesto now that Alex has brought back up.
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Oh no.
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Alex has a copy of the manifesto?
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No, he doesn't.
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But he's brought back up the situation.
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One of the most difficult things when I was planning on how we were going to cover this
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episode is like, at what point do we get into this?
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And I don't know.
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I don't know if this is the best time to get into it, but we got it.
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This is when we were doing it.
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So 90 minutes prior to embarking on the attack, Anders Breivik emailed his 1518 page manifesto
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to approximately a thousand email addresses that he had farmed from European Patriot Facebook
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accounts.
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That's too long.
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He spent hours and hours and hours and days farming these email addresses off Facebook
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accounts because he wanted to try and make contacts within super reactionary Patriot
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based European Facebook groups.
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This is why even if you're fucking crazy, you need an editor.
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1508 pages?
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A lot of it is copy and pasted from various other sources.
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Too long.
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He copy and pasted a bunch of stuff from the Unabomber's manifesto, but he replaced every
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time he said black people with Muslims.
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He clearly was trying to make it his own while copy and pasting.
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I would say probably at least hundreds of pages are just things he's copying and pasting
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from shit.
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Even Chapter House Dune only had like 600 pages, man.
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Come on.
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The outrageously long document lays out his anti-political correctness, anti-feminism,
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anti-Islam, and pro-hard-right nationalism clear as day.
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It even describes exactly why he committed these terrorist attacks, how he planned the
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attacks for nine years before carrying them out, and how he lamented that he had to work
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alone because he couldn't risk anyone else being involved because you can't risk that
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sort of thing.
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Whether or not they might give up to police or whether or not it would be a risk for them
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to know about it when you go through with it, it could jeopardize their safety.
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Which once again brings us back to a conspiracy is the worst idea.
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Right.
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It's the worst idea.
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A legitimate conspiracy is a real gamble.
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Yeah, it's a terrible idea.
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So I set out to read Anders Breivik's manifesto and I was immediately overwhelmed by the length.
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I braced myself and dug in, but ultimately had to concede there was no way I was ever
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going to read all this bullshit.
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I made it through a couple hundred pages at least, but hundreds of pages go by with rambling
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complaints about history ranging from decrying the evils of cultural Marxism to citing crimes
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Muslims committed in the 1100s as proof that Islam is incompatible with Western democracy.
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And he did put some cookie recipes in there though that are actually pretty good.
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Well, if you're saying cookie and you mean bomb, yes.
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Oh no, I thought I was like, I don't normally like raisin cookies, but I heard that his
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are pretty good.
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I wish there were, that would actually, I would have really been kind of based on like
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the, like how much nonsense is in there.
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I really wouldn't be surprised.
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Right.
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It wouldn't be like, Oh, and by the way, uh, my favorite Sunday is I like to wake up at
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about nine.
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He has like legitimate pages upon pages of various different like armor schematics you
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could use if you wanted to commit smash and grab a terrorist attack.
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Great.
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I had the idea that there would be a cookie recipe, not as over 1500 fucking pages.
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It's entirely possible.
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You didn't even finish it.
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It's entirely possible.
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Maybe they are in there.
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I skimmed all of it and I can say there aren't cookie recipes, sorry to report that.
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All right, fine.
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But though I skimmed some of it and like I said, I read at least a couple of hundred
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pages of this thing.
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You don't need to read this whole document to see shocking parallels with Alex Jones's
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worldview.
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For instance, on page 13, he says, quote, the totalitarian nature of political correctness
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can be seen on campuses where PC has taken over the college, freedom of speech of the
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press, and even thought are all eliminated.
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Or you can skip to page 29 where you find this quote today, the feminization of European
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culture moving rapidly since the 1960s continues to intensify.
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Indeed, the present day radical feminist assault through support of mass Muslim immigration
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has political parallel to their anti-colonial efforts.
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Oh, do you mean current assault is in part a continuation of a century old effort to
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destroy traditional European structures, the very foundation of European culture.
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Indeed, the feminization of European culture is nearly completed and the last bastion of
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male domination, the police force and military is under assault.
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That sounds an awful lot like Alex Jones saying that, oh, these strong, powerful feminists
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just roll over.
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They want to be dominated by the Muslims.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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And also-
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I have nothing other to say then.
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Yep.
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There is, I mean-
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There's nothing more trendy than having a Muslim boyfriend who beats her ass.
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I mean, at the very least, this guy is finally honest about the police and the military being
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a fucking toxic masculinity white dominated field.
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He doesn't see it that way.
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He sees that as a good thing.
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Exactly.
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But at least he's telling the truth about it.
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Alex won't tell the truth about it.
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He thinks it's a good thing, but he won't say it.
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There's so many more parallels.
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Jesus.
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He describes cultural Marxism as a, quote, quiet revolution propagating the European
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hate ideology with the goal of destroying Western civilization.
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And which was-
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Whites, stern.
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And which was anti-God, anti-Christian, anti-family, anti-nationalist, anti-patriot, anti-conservative,
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anti-hereditarian, anti-ethnocentric, anti-masculine, anti-tradition, and anti-morality.
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What are you, Salinger putting all that list together?
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That sounds exactly like Alex's rant when he talks about the globalists.
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Exactly, Alex Jones.
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Now, cultural Marxism is this idea that you could just replace globalists whenever he
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says cultural Marxism because it's the same idea that Alex Jones puts out into the world.
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For those who don't know, cultural Marxism is this idea that classical economic Marxist
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ideas had to do largely with the redistribution of power, that sort of thing, the redistribution
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of economic power.
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So people who are really into the cultural Marxist idea is the idea of multiculturalism,
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feminism, race rights, those sorts of things have to do with a cultural version of Marxism,
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wherein you're trying to redistribute the power forcefully.
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And it's-
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What they're trying to imply-
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It's insane.
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What they're trying to imply is that the idea that everybody should have an equitable existence,
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wherein there is no domination by any one of these groups of all the others, that is
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a stealth way of creating that Soviet-era communism, which, again, economic system,
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the issue was the government system, not the concepts behind, hey, maybe everybody shouldn't
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be fucking starving to death.
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It was the oligarchy that caused everybody to starve to death, which, once again, we
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live in such.
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Let's not go too far down this road, because I have more things I need to apologize.
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On page 47, he makes the same argument that Alex does about how their opponents refuse
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to engage with ideas and just shut them down by calling them bigots.
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Quote, all discussion can be sabotaged with the simple technique of shouting slogans,
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prejudice, myth, racism, Islamophobia.
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Take the struggle from the common battlefield of argument into the opponent's camp, his
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self-esteem as a member of civilized society that abhors ugly things like prejudice and
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Islamophobia.
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Are you recognizing in this manifesto not only everything that represents modern Alex
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Jones, but also so much that represents the modern day right?
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Did he just go to a pool supply store and saw three Muslim women and he was like, Alex
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Jones has this all right.
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No.
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Maybe we shouldn't allow white people in pool supply stores.
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That might solve some problems.
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That might solve a bit.
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Superficially.
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It's a good start.
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His plan for the future is specifically pro-Russia, provided that Russia kicks out all the Muslims
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who live there, of course, and he's also pro-apartheid South Africa.
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Coincidentally, so is Alex.
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If one of his soldiers that he imagines- And the president.
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If one of the soldiers in Anders Breivik's army that he imagines existing, which doesn't,
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gets arrested, Breivik has a whole speech prepared for them in his manifesto to recite
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in court.
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It's a $25 postcard that you have to, you got to order it.
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It's not laminated.
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The speech that he has for them, it includes the Thomas Jefferson quote, the tree of liberty
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must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, which coincidentally
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is something Alex Jones says at least once per show.
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Probably a coincidence that the other quote that he has in his speech that these people
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are supposed to read in court is Mark Twain's quote, during a time of change, the patriot
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is scarce man.
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He's hated and scorned.
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When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him.
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When it costs nothing to be a patriot, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot, which
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again is something that Alex says all the fucking time.
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People are using the exact same tropes in terms of pushing their idea of what they want
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the world to be and how to justify their actions.
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All of which are perversions of the meaning of those quotes.
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To some extent.
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Getting through this rambling manifesto, everything is an Alex Jones talking point.
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The patriarchy must be reestablished.
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News corporations controlled by cultural Marxist multiculturalists are engaging in full scale
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war against cultural conservatism and nationalism.
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For every newborn Muslim in Europe, the cultural Marxist multiculturalists will automatically
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get one more vote.
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As we all know, 98% of Muslims give their votes to multiculturalism.
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Demography is king.
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The traditional family is under attack.
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It goes on and on to the point where it's hard to see a difference between Breivik and
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Alex's vision of an ideal society.
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Breivik describes his, quote, one, Islam cannot be present, two, an ethnic homogenous people,
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three, an educated people with high average IQ, four, cultural conservative policies,
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nationalistic policies, five, free market.
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All of this is exactly what Alex would be in line with.
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Whether he would be fucking, I wouldn't say brave enough because that has a positive connotation,
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but whether or not he would have the wherewithal to actually say things like, what I would
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like is Islam to be gone.
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What I would like is an ethnically homogenous people to be around me.
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Whether or not he has the, I would say foolishness because he knows that he's trying to make
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money off this stuff.
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He does believe those things.
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Absolutely.
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His actions imply very clearly that that's something that he's into.
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Him and Anders Breivik see exactly the same positive vision of what they want in the future.
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Yeah.
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Sixty-four times in the manifesto, Breivik cites Robert Spencer, the anti-Muslim proprietor
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of the website Jihad Watch.
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Coincidentally, Robert Spencer is a regular guest on Alex's show and Alex uses Jihad Watch
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as a source constantly.
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Breivik was a big admirer of Geert Wilders, someone Alex actively campaigned for.
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That's who I was thinking about.
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Alex actively campaigned for him and said was part of the, quote, nationalist resurgence.
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Breivik said of Wilders, he's one of the few who can, quote, truly claim to be conservative
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parties in their whole culture.
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Breivik also in his manifesto expresses support for the English Defense League but says that
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he thinks that they're hopelessly naive.
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Before committing his attacks, Breivik helped create a Norway satellite of the EDL, the
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Norway Defense League.
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The EDL, in case you've forgotten, was created by Tommy Robinson.
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Alt-right personality Vox Day admires and loves Anders Breivik.
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He refers to him on his blog as Saint Breivik.
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That's not good.
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Vox Day has been a guest on Alex Jones' show as recently as twice in August 2018.
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You read through this manifesto and all you see are the modern right in our country.
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It's horrifying.
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This is what I'm talking about when I said I didn't understand.
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Like I knew he was a bigot terrorist and all that stuff, but reading through this manifesto
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in as much as I did is a terrifying experience because what you see, and I'm not saying that
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all of these people have read his manifesto and are going off of it, that would be fucking
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stupid of me to assume, but what you see are proto talking points of the alt-right world
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that we are experiencing right now.
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Which is not the alt-right world, which is Nazis, which is the entire Republican Party.
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And again, the reason that it's so complicated because we're specifically talking about him
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is because he, in his manifesto, is very specifically anti-Nazi, although it should be noted that
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while he was in prison, he did come out and say, I'm a Nazi now, because who knows?
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Because he finally read Nazi literature and was like, oh shit, you guys totally fucking
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got what I was saying.
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Or maybe the tide had changed.
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And it was okay to call yourself a fucking Nazi.
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Or the people who were sending him messages of support were national socialists and neo-Nazis.
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And he realized like, well, all right, maybe this is my team after all, I'm in prison.
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What am I going to do?
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So I'm a Nazi now, guys.
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Hey, how's it going?
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So I assume this means that you have completed your circle of coming around to the right
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should just simply be ignored and demolished.
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No.
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Maybe demolished, but not ignored.
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I think-
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No, yeah, exactly.
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I think that what you see here, I think in 2011, this world was not what it is now.
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In terms of the, Alex wasn't even that in 2011, in terms of his vociferous anti-Muslim
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sentiment.
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Or at least open about it.
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The traction that had been gained by organizations like rebel media, people like Jack Pessobic,
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people like Lauren Southern, all of the anti-immigrant sentiment that has come to be such a part
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of our political dialogue that it shouldn't be.
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These negative and ill-meaning, bad faith actors that are clogging up our political
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discourse, including our goddamn president, whether or not they know it, I believe that
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they are very, very inspired by the manifesto that Anders Breivik put out.
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And I don't think in any way that he was the beginning of any of these thoughts.
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Don't get me wrong.
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Of course not.
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Of course not.
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The martyrdom, in quotes, that neo-Nazis, anti-Muslim folk experienced, led to an elevation
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of a lot of the talking points that he put through in his manifesto.
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He was just talking about ethics in gaming journalism.
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Right.
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I think he got a lot more traction than maybe even he realizes from his cell.
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Do you mean translating, do you mean transforming the entire fucking open consciousness of the
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state?
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Right.
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Obviously, again, it's stupid to say that he did all that.
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No, they haven't read it.
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They came to the same conclusions on their own because of their fucking gut.
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It's just fucking jarring to see specific people mentioned in the manifesto that Alex
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Jones respects and loves.
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It's jarring to see the exact talking points if you just replace cultural Marxists with
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globalists.
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It's fucking insane.
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The similarities that we're seeing here are very, very troubling.
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I think that's fair to say.
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I don't know why I'm asking for confirmation.
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Of course they are.
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You're looking at me like, Dan, how dare you?
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That's fair.
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They're really troubling because now it's time to explain the name of his manifesto.
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It's called 2083, a European Declaration of Independence because toward the tail end of
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his very long, very dumb document, Anders Breivik lays out his vision of what will happen
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in the future, namely a three-phase European civil war, which he believed he would help
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start leading to the white Europeans reclaiming their world in 2083.
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Any thoughts?
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I don't want to steamroll you here.
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I mean, to be honest, my first thought is not to engage with the content and instead
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to say, not very ambitious, dude, that's a long wait.
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Well...
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That's a long wait.
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2083?
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None of us are even going to be around.
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What does he not even believe in?
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Climate change?
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We're all going to be dead by then anyways.
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Weirdly, this 1,500-page document doesn't give us even a climate change.
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I feel like that's an important thing.
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That is weird.
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Because that would accelerate his timeline at least with all the refugees coming in from
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all the different places.
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I think the white ethno-civil war is going to happen a lot sooner than fucking that.
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And also, god damn, motherfucking, what, what the, why are we, so, are you sure we can't
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kill him?
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I can't.
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I know that.
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Yeah, okay.
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So, okay.
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Sonja?
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No, she's in Sweden.
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Sonja?
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This is in Norway.
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She's closer.
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I'm not saying that she's in Sweden, or that she's in Norway, I'm just saying.
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Sonja's not a murderous force.
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But she's got to have a friend in Norway.
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You got to have one friend in Norway.
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I don't, but I feel like I should.
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That should be like a universal thing.
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Your calls for murder are going to be so much worse.
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I want a pen pal in Norway who is willing to murder this guy.
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I think you have to Ocean's Eleven it though, because he's in this really high security.
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He's one of the most highly secured prisoners in the entire country.
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Yeah, of course.
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Of fucking course.
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But he's the prisoner who has the longest sentence in that sort of confinement ever.
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Because I mean, if you read his manifesto, it's fucking clear his planning.
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Like he was doing this for years.
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He started a company specifically to get enough money in order to do the attack.
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He ended up getting like 2 million, I don't remember the currency in Norway, I apologize.
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But it would be hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of money from this company and then
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walked away from it because he was just trying to raise the money in order to fund his ability
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to plan this attack that didn't happen for nine years after.
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It's a ludicrous level of very specific information.
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Anybody who wants to be like, this was something that the globalists set up or something like
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that, they're not engaging with the very, very available information that comes from
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him.
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Do we have any indication of, was there like a turning point?
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Yeah, it was the Serbian bombing in the 90s.
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Is the Serbian bombing, how old was he?
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I don't know, he's 39 now.
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The Serbian bombing, so what, he would have been like 17?
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Probably, something like that, yeah.
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I don't know.
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Even less than that, like 14.
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But I also feel like people who do these sorts of things, I'd be pretty comfortable in assuming
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that they kind of create a heroic mythology around themselves and maybe there's an unreliable
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narrator aspect to exactly why they're doing what they're doing.
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He says he's radicalized by the Serbian bombing, but really all that was was to give him cover
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and make him a hero when in reality this kind of bigotry was instilled with him.
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From the fucking jump.
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Do we know anything about his parents?
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Yeah, yeah, his mom, the only thing I know about his mom from his manifesto is that she
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had an STD and he feels really bad about it.
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That's a weird thing to put in your manifesto.
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It's a weird thing to put in your manifesto.
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His sister also had an STD.
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Like everybody has HPV, what are you going to judge them?
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He believes that it brought shame to the family and that's crazy.
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That doesn't make any sense.
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It does if you just consider his sort of patriarchal views and stuff like that, like women should
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be in the fucking kitchen and not fucking people.
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His childhood that he describes involves perceived slights by Pakistanis and Arabs and stuff
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like that, so obviously that stuff was already in him from the jump.
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Yeah, one thing that he can guarantee is that he's seen more racism coming from Pakistanis
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and Arabs towards white people than ever white people against Pakistanis and Muslims.
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Like that's crazy.
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I had a friend in junior high who hated Muslims and he was sort of before the game a little
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bit but the reason that he did is because his dad was in business and he got in a deal
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with a couple of individual Arabic people and the deal went bad and the dad I guess
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complained so much that his middle school child sort of extrapolated and generalized
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that to all people who are Arabic or Muslims and you read this manifesto and the stuff
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he talks about from like his childhood, I think there's a little kernel of that.
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So that hatred was already there.
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I don't want to psychoanalyze and say like you don't care about the Serbian bombings
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and stuff like that because I don't really give a shit.
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That's not as important as how fucked up this fucking document is.
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Quote, if we had executed let's say 100,000 Marxist intellectuals in Western Europe after
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World War II and banned all forms of Marxist doctrine, we could have prevented the creation
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of anti-European hate ideology known as multiculturalism.
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God, how do you do that mental gymnastics?
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It's absolutely essential that we, the cultural conservative patriots of Europe, do not repeat
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this mistake again and all our efforts must be to target and execute the multiculturalists
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wherever we find them in phase one, two, or three of the European Civil War.
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He goes on to advocate against the deportation of Muslims, but for an even worse reason than
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you would guess.
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Quote, the biggest threat to an effective and thorough lynching campaign is the temptation
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to commence the deportation of Muslims.
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This is why a lynching force should only contain soldiers under professional leadership with
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a given unofficial and clandestine mandate.
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Uh-uh, uh-uh, no, no, pass, pass, no, no, don't ever, and somebody...
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Are you talking about me reading this?
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No!
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I'm talking about the calling for a lynching force.
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That's no good!
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I know, and this is awful, but my position is I'm reading all of this because it is not
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to show what the logical consequence of the similar rhetoric that Alex Jones and this
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guy put out into the world.
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Exactly, your ultimate point, if I understand it correctly, is that if you actually believe
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any of this shit, if you put this rhetoric out, then this is the only way.
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This is the only thing that makes sense.
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I'm not saying that his actions are logical, because they fucking aren't, but if you stipulate
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Alex Jones' worldview, there's no reason not to dedicate yourself for years to planning
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some sort of event that you think is going to kick off a civil war in Europe against
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the multiculturalist forces that you think are ruining white European culture.
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There's no...
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It does make logical sense in that twisted mind.
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If he had never killed anybody, Alex would treat him as a hero.
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Probably if he was some sort of Jordan Peterson-esque public intellectual who just put this out
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as a document.
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And then the fucking New Yorker would do a profile on him as how this fucking...
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Fuck you!
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Fuck this whole fucking...
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This whole fucking thing, man!
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Join...
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Oh, god damn it!
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Hold it.
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Sorry.
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Sorry.
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Brevek gives advice on assassinations in his manifesto.
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Quote, it's much more rational and pragmatical to focus on the easier unprotected targets
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instead of sacrificing good men on an impossible target, going on to explain that the best
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targets are cultural Marxist professors.
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Quote, the operational goal should be to execute five category B traders within two hours.
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Plan ahead so you're prepared to assault five targets in succession.
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You'll usually always be caught, so instead of going home and waiting for someone to knock
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on your door, move swiftly to your second target, then the third, et cetera.
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He advises using a flame thrower should you, I don't know, let's say try and attack a meeting
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of multiculturalist politicians, noting that, quote, a severely burned category A or B trader
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will in reality become a living symbol of what awaits individuals guilty of trying to
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sell their own people into Islamic slavery.
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They will act as a deterrent and contribute to spread fear in the hearts of the rest of
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the traders and will thus cause more ideological damage than that of a dead body.
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He or she will become a living testament to what will happen to any and all category A
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and B traders.
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And everyone will learn that high treason is not without risks.
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You can't call white people terrorists, though, Dan.
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Never.
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Now, I mean, maybe his goal is specifically to spread fear, but that's not a terrorist.
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Go to the O.E.D.
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Fucking Christ, he thinks that journalists are traders, just like Alex, and the president,
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quote, there are annual gatherings for journalists in all Western European countries.
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These gatherings are considered the most attractive targets for large scale shock attacks due
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to the amount and quality of category B traders.
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He also legitimately advocates using weapons of mass destruction against multiculturalism,
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quote, efforts must be made to employ precision WMDs when fighting the cultural Marxist multiculturalist
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regimes of Western Europe, especially explosive weapons, barrack buster types, fertilizer
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bombs, and the like.
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Other types of weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical, must be considered
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as realistic options as well.
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He includes dozens of pages of very specific instructions on how to make bombs.
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He includes a detailed breakdown of all the various metals people would be awarded for
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killing traders once his revolution kicks off.
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He includes insanely complicated operation plans for attacks as extreme as bombing power
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plants.
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He spent countless hours of his life putting together this manifesto, and it's clear from
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the text that he knew when he was writing it that he was going to kill a bunch of people.
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He wrote this manifesto and carried out his attacks because he believed the same things
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that Alex Jones does, namely that Muslims are a destructive force and they will destroy
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Western culture, and they're being aided and abetted by a traitorous government force.
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Anders Breivik calls them cultural Marxists, Alex calls them globalists, but they're talking
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about exactly the same thing.
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Here's why this is all of the utmost importance.
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Anders Breivik, his manifesto, and his attacks represent, as I've said, the logical end result
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of the rhetoric that both he and Alex Jones employ.
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They believe nearly identical things about the world, but one of them is willing to put
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those beliefs into action.
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The other mostly wants to make money off trying to coax others into doing the dirty work for
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him.
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And that is my position on all of this.
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My position is that I think Anders Breivik was elected president under the name Andrew
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Jackson.
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I mean, there's similarities.
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He does talk about like paths where you can deport people like he does have like a almost
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Trail of Tears-y plans inside.
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Sure does.
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Because he's not talking about a genocide of Muslims, which I don't know if that's to
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his credit or not.
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I'd say it's not.
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I don't think we give him credit for anything.
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I think we just let that.
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Let's never use that word towards him.
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I wish I could cite whose tweet it was, but that great tweet was like, under no circumstances
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when talking about ISIS, do you have to give it to us?
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I gotta give it to ISIS.
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They sure know how to take credit for the fucking terrorist attacks they didn't do.
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I'll point a finger at myself there.
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I wasn't going down that line, but I was way too close.
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Because he's not advocating for genocide.
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In all of it, he does just talk about like, send them back to countries that we can then,
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you know, exploit.
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You know, like that.
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It's all that.
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It's essentially genocide through a different name.
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Right.
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And I want to I would like as as relevant as this is to our fucking world and Alex Jones,
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it's really important to know that this is the entire philosophy from the beginning of
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America.
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Totally.
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This is the this is what America is built upon.
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And if you can, we don't like you don't like using the words.
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But yes, if you can't accept that, that's this.
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That's what the Constitution was written about.
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That's what it was.
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And that's so to imagine that Anders Breivik is some sort of outlier, some sort of like,
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whoa, this is something so far outside of what the human race has ever even considered.
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Just really remember that 1776 is fucking Anders Breivik.
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What about 2.0?
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Oh, that one is even more in this graphic.
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And that's why reading over this manifesto was such a dark look in the mirror to some
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extent.
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Yeah.
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Like, not that I believe it.
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And like looking in the mirror, I'm the finger is pointing at me.
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But right.
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You see such a reflection of very familiar things in a place that you wish you would
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know, like you read the manifesto and the writings of this person.
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And you see like, oh, wow, there's a lot of stuff we've talked about before.
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Like the idea of bringing back the patriarchy, like the idea that the traditional family
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is under attack.
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These are large scale things that he was primarily motivated by under the attack on that he felt
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was upon him by cultural Marxists, by political correctness, things that are exactly the same
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that Alex feels.
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Right.
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I don't know what to do with this other than to say, fucking just take a second to like,
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I wouldn't say anyone go read that manifesto.
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It's way too long and it was a very disappointing night of my life.
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But if you do go and read it, you'll see, you'll see our show, quite frankly, you'll
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see the stuff we talk about.
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Right.
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And it's, it's profoundly fucked up, which is also why we will never become popular.
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So now I told you Jordan, because my dark mirror is I think episode one where that guy
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fucks a pig and I don't want to talk about what I did growing up, but technically black
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mirror technically my episode is that one where everyone's on the treadmill and I ended
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up crying a lot.
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Oh, did you end up watching the show anymore?
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Like this is too fucking real.
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Yeah.
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No shit.
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Right.
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I'll go back and watch it eventually.
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Anyway, it's pretty good.
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I want to tell you that all is not horrible and we're about to get very surreal because
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Anders Breivik's 1500 page manifesto at about page 1410, he starts to lay out something
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of a weird diary documenting his journey towards his perceived martyrdom, noting that he started
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working on this manifesto in 2006, five years before the eventual attack.
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So he's also inspired by Kafka?
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What do you mean?
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Oh, you've never read Kafka's diaries?
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No, I understand, but I don't, I don't know exactly the one to one parallel.
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Nevermind.
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All right.
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So he started in 2006 on his manifesto and this compendium as he calls it.
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He had started on his actual planning for the attack four years prior to that.
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So he's nine years of planning, five for the manifesto.
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But this diary, dude, it gives such a weird fucking picture.
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And these dates that he describes are fucking surreal.
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When you consider that he knew as he was writing this, the eventual end goal is he's
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going to kill a bunch of people for his perceived slights that he has about multiculturalism.
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When you read this, you get a very disappointing, sad picture of a person.
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Did he also prophesy on my birth?
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Cause that would have been really weird.
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No.
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But from autumn 2009 quote, my best friend Peter's 30th birthday, we're going to Budapest
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to party hard for five days.
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What the fuck is what?
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No, you don't get to do that.
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Hold on.
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You don't get to do that.
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Hungarian girls are hot as hell.
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Too bad.
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I have to avoid relationships for the good of my mission.
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Doesn't hurt to have a little fun.
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And then there's an emoticon with the he's got an emoticon.
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You're not allowed to use those.
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In his manifesto.
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You're not allowed to use those.
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It's the two I's and then a D it's a colon D big smiling face.
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Have you ever considered why we don't have any God damn teenage girl serial killers?
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Fucking Christ.
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I don't think I've consumed this much alcohol for many years.
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Totally awesome.
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That's in the manifesto.
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Can we, can't we kill him from January?
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I've never been more sure of anything.
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Somehow after that, I'm like, no, no questions from January, 2010 quote regret to admit I've
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become notorious as a downloader of pirated movies, series and games, et cetera, but have
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noticed an increasing number of sites have been closed down lately.
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Stealing is bad, I admit.
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But then again, when you've devoted your entire life to a good cause, you can allow yourself
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some naughtiness, especially if it can contribute to your lack of funds cough.
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Yes, yes.
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No one's perfect colon P like that tongue out emoticon.
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Yeah, I got it.
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Yep.
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There's a whole multi-entry drama that plays out where he goes to Prague.
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Are you sure this isn't written entirely in ASCII format as well?
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No, dude, this is my favorite thing because like I want to say like, I don't want to like
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soften and make light this horrible, horrible person.
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But if you actually read his diary, you get a glimpse of a really pathetic dude.
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And I think that that's a part of it now, but now hold on.
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And this is something we talked about pre-show as to whether or not it should be brought
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up in our, in our context.
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But if you want to go with a further parallel, I find it hard not to put this together with
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Alex Jones watching trans porn.
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Well, you know what I'm saying?
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As we talked about before we got on air and I'm fine that it's come up.
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I don't have a real comment on it.
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And one of the things that we always talk about is hypocrisy is meaningless to people
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with no shame.
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Yeah.
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So I choose to focus on the rhetoric that he puts out that is horrible.
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Whether or not he looks at a specific pornography doesn't charm me.
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It doesn't do anything.
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But that's why I was pointing it out.
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Like I genuinely was like, you know what, let's just let this one go.
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Everybody else can dunk on him the way that they want to until you brought it up within
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the context of this guy's weird manifesto diary, including all of this, like all of
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this shit that I espouse, I, you know, you still gotta get your rocks off.
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Like that to me is that concept.
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You should hold onto that thought because that exact thing that you're sort of literally
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says, well, get your rocks off, no, not a quote, but with a smiley face emoji with a
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tongue out.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The P one, that idea that you're expressing is going, you're going to get way madder at
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a later entry, but let's get to it later as we get to it because I need to talk about
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this.
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This is my favorite thing.
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If there is anything funny in his manifesto, it's this.
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And that is that there is a multi-entry drama that plays out where he goes to Prague to
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buy weapons because he saw a BBC special about how there are a lot of hardened criminals
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in Prague.
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It starts with him talking about his fears of being killed there, which transitions into
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him being surprised to not be, he's not at all scared once he gets there in which he
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specifically sites, Hey, there aren't any Muslims walking around.
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He ultimately fails to find any guns to buy in Prague, but reassures himself that quote,
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regardless of the outcome of this mission, I've had a great vacation and have experienced
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most of the historical sites and a lot of amazing architecture.
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I've also partied a lot with the people I met at the hostel.
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Sonya get on a plane and kill him.
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So you have a mission.
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He also talks about fucking two girls while he was in Prague because he was afraid he's
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going to die on that trip.
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I really, really want to make this clear.
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Sonya do not do anything like that, please.
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Oh my God.
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I don't want to even if she wanted to know, but maybe look, I don't want to be that guy.
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So he, I don't want to specific, like give, give like, no, no, no, you're fine.
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He's like, I fuck these two girls in Prague.
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Look, I know that I don't look, that's not my kind of thing, but like I might've died
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on this trip.
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So I got a fuck.
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It's like, dude, just fucking live your life.
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Stop it with this shit.
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Yeah.
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So from a November, 2010 post quote, I'm currently watching Dexter.
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The series is about a forensic mass murderer.
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Quite hilarious.
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Oh, I'm also playing.
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All right, dude.
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I'm also playing fallout three new Vegas at the moment after finishing BioShock two, I'm
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going to try the new world of Warcraft cataclysm when it's released in December time to dust
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off my mage.
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That's in his fucking manifesto.
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This is legitimately gamer gate writ large.
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Does the dates match up?
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2011?
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2011?
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No, I think gamer gate was probably more like 2013, 2014 it was later than that.
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But it's the, it's that I, which again, not to, not to paint a broad brush by any stretch,
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but that subsection of, of like that toxic masculinity, as it applies to any kind of
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nerd culture, winds up being a portal to this.
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It's fascinating.
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You know, it's fascinating that you see that.
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And then it's also fascinating that in the, you know, with mass killers, there's always
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a sort of anger or violence against women.
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And I'm not entirely sure, but I'm not sure I actually see from his manifesto of violence
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against women.
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But as I've already mentioned, he specifically talks about his mom and his sister having
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STDs that have brought shame to the family.
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So that mentality is definitely there.
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Whether or not there's actual domestic violence there, there's the kernel of it.
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But no one ever proves why masculinity is worse than people who exhibit the idea that
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masculinity is great.
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And advocate for it.
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But Jordan, perhaps the most jarring passage from this journal entry in his manifesto.
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Not a huge fan of Spyro the dragon.
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No, that was from his lawsuit against his prison.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to play Spyro.
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Lizard.
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I've got a PlayStation 2.
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I can't get any of the fucking Mario games.
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I'm just doing Alex's voice now.
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Now I am.
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Yeah, you're right.
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Oh shit.
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I completely forgot that we weren't talking.
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It's reasonable.
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That's reasonable.
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I'm talking about how directly that proves your point entirely.
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To some extent.
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I forgot that we weren't talking about Alex in this point.
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I think he actually specifically in his lawsuit complained about Vector Man.
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That's not it.
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Ray Man or something like that.
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Ray Man isn't very good.
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That's probably what he was complaining about.
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So here's the most jarring passage.
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Quote, I'm trying to avoid relationships as it would complicate my plans and may jeopardize
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my operation.
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And I don't feel comfortable manipulating girls anymore into one night stands.
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I'm not the person, I'm not that person anymore.
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I did screw two girls in Prague, this is where I brought this up already, I did screw two
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girls in Prague though, but that was mainly because it was a realistic chance that I would
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end up dead during the process of establishing a weapons connection.
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I won't make any effort to try and completely justify it though.
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Human males are imperfect by default and they're plagued by their biological needs.
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Nevertheless screwing around outside of marriage is after all a relatively small sin compared
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to the huge amounts of grace.
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I'm about to generate with my martyrdom operation and, hold on, it is essential that you do
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what is required to keep morale and motivation at high level, especially just prior to operation
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critical moments.
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I've reserved 2000 euro from my operations budget which I intend to spend on high quality
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model escort girl one week prior to execution of the mission.
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I'll probably arrange that just before or after I attend my final martyr's mass at Frogner
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Church it will contribute to ease my mind as I imagine I will be tense and very nervous.
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It's easier to face death if you know you're biologically, mentally, and spiritually at
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ease.
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Look, now, by no means am I disparaging the sex worker community nor the people who search
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them out for any number of possible reasons.
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However, in your manifesto about how the patriarchy is great, please don't fucking elucidate why
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the patriarchy is terrible.
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Right, and then also the only thing, not the only thing, but one of the things that I felt
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when I read that passage is like, how fucking horrible is it to put that sex worker through
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that?
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Like, she doesn't know the context of all this now.
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The idea that she went and did a job and then maybe a couple weeks later that person murdered
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all these people.
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Oh my fucking god.
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That's so unfair to her.
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I don't, I mean, I don't.
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That's a smaller, like, no, I agree with you.
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I had a visceral response to that, but it's certainly much smaller than a lot of the other
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fucking details.
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Right, right, right, right.
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So now we get to some unsurprising pieces of information that we find from his journal.
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Here's a revelation that he makes.
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If he hates the Welsh, man, I really got to change my whole life.
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Fuck the Welsh, quote, no, quote, approximately four years ago in 2006, just before I started
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writing this compendium, I decided to move from my apartment in Frogner, one of the most
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pricey areas in Oslo, home to my mother.
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So he was living with his mom the entire time that he was making this compendium and planning
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his attack.
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Oh boy.
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Oh, and also, he was doing steroids the whole time he was planning this attack, quote, initiated
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third steroid test cycle, three weeks on wisterol tabs, 40 milligrams a day, followed by three
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weeks of dbol tabs, 40 milligrams per day, weight decreased from 86 kilograms to 93 kilograms,
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no side effects cycle completed with great success.
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I've never in my life been more physically fit than I am today.
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Strength increased by 30% to 50%, which will prove useful.
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There's a bunch of instances of him talking about his steroid use.
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And then even beyond that, he talks about stacking ephedrine with caffeine.
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So he's on just sort of over-the-counter speed and steroids the entire time, which does,
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if you look at the science, has increased parallel with sort of delusional thinking,
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manic sort of behavior.
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Violence.
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Yeah, all that sort of stuff really makes sense.
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You sort of parse through the little details that you can find in his manifesto, and it
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starts to make crystal clear the entrenched bigotry that he already has inside him, the
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diminished capabilities and capacity that he has based on his drug use, the clear psychopathy
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that he has that you can just glean from his own writing.
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But I think more importantly is all the very one-to-one parallels with Alex.
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It's strange to me, like any time you toss that, it does absolutely increase the possibility
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of a manic episode.
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And it is terrifying to me because I am somebody who, up until I was properly medicated at
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like what, 25, experienced consistent manic episodes.
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So you look at that and you see the possibility of if I had those thought patterns, it's entirely
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possible that I would have committed some sort of a crime absolutely not on that scale
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by no means.
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It's that, but for the grace of God go you.
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Yeah, and it's terrifying.
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It's really terrifying to note that truly at the end of the day, this is a brain malfunction.
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This is a disease.
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And so, how do you treat a disease like this?
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I know, and to be honest, the thing that I come away from is I think this is unavoidable.
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I don't mean that to be like, hey, it's fine.
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No, absolutely.
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It's fine.
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No.
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But the lack of willingness to consider the thoughts he was having were wrong or were
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coming from an unhealthy place.
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The fact that he kept this to himself for years as he documents, the fact that he laments
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the... he's unable to tell anyone else about his plans, bring people into the fold, that
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sort of thing.
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The fact that he is so resolute with this sort of thing, I really don't think that anything
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you can do can mitigate someone like Anders Breivik.
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And that really bums me out because the people with mental illness, there's help for you
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if you're willing to get it.
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And I would love to take this opportunity to get on a soapbox and say, if only someone
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were there to help him at X, Y, or Z time.
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But from the stuff that I've read, from his writings that I've read, I don't think that...
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He would never have sought out that help.
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I don't think it's possible past like maybe when he was 12 or something like that.
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The breaking point was probably much earlier in his life than people generally think.
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Which once again goes back to Alex's rhetoric.
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And Alex's life.
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Exactly.
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And the idea of, no, they're going to neuter you.
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They're going to destroy what you think is your masculine energy and all of that stuff.
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And what in reality they're going to do is actually fucking help you be a human instead
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of a monster.
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Yeah, hopefully find some sort of integration of the ideas you have, make them face reality,
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that sort of thing.
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And I don't know, man.
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It's a huge bummer.
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I don't think that, of course, I don't think that mental illness is fully responsible for
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his actions in the same way that I don't think that the rhetoric and the narratives that
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are very similar to Alex's rhetoric and narratives, I don't think they're 100% to blame for his
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actions.
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There's a very complicated bouillabaisse going on here, this stew of things.
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And the only reason that I think it's super duper important to our stuff is that the narratives
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are the part that you can change.
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The mental health stuff, you can change too, but it's mostly upon you to...
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We can't help people with that.
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We can encourage people to, you know...
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Stop saying you're bullshit.
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Self-analyze.
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If you feel you need help, you should go try and apprise yourself of the help that's available.
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If you suspect you need help.
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The narratives and the rhetoric are the part that's like, it's there, we can talk about
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this.
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It's all bullshit.
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So, now we get back to the episode.
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Oh yeah, that's right.
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I forgot we were doing the show.
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So we've now sort of gotten into exactly what motivated Anders Breivik.
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The entirety of this, there's a pretty clear picture that you can glean from it.
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And now Alex gets into saying that it's probably Al-Qaeda.
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Seven people killed by the bomb blast, two seriously injured.
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These are saying they believe the person responsible for the bomb to be a foreigner, according
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to BBC.
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Well, they arrest you over there if you criticize foreigners.
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But the attacker...
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God, I wish we could arrest you.
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Now arrested, look Norwegian, there you go, White Al-Qaeda hitting it hard.
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Right when they come out and say White Al-Qaeda's gonna hit, and then they show the white people,
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you know, with blue eyes and the headdresses, boom, they're hitting, see?
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Headdresses?
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They're rebranding, White Al-Qaeda's hitting.
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It goes on.
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Witnesses have managed to escape from the island, says a NRK reports on the spots perpetrator
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and a Norwegian look.
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He should be around 185 to 190 centimeters tall and have blonde hair, White Al-Qaeda.
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Oh gee, White Al-Qaeda was coming.
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Oh gee, they were gonna announce it.
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So this is also just a making a straw man out of the DHS reports and stuff like that.
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The only thing he could possibly be harkening back to is like years prior, there was that
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John Walker Land, who was the white guy who left his privileged life and fought alongside.
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But he got fucking arrested in 2001.
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Right, but there are a couple instances of like that, you know, a couple of girls who
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are like 19 who went and joined ISIS thinking that it was a pause.
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It happens from time to time.
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It's not a huge thing.
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But back to your point of the the Booyah base, like there does require a certain perfect
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storm of factors that go into this.
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Otherwise we would see this a whole fucking lot more.
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You know, like, look, there are seven billion people on this dumb, stupid fucking planet
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that we're destroying.
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It is it is at least, I suppose, a positive that it's like out of seven billion people,
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it takes that many people to generate this kind of level of psychopath monster.
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I don't know.
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I don't know if that's cold comfort.
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Yeah.
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No fucking shit.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Imagine if there was only like six hundred thousand of us, it would take so much longer
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to get these.
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Now you're talking globalist talk.
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I'm just saying.
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Go talk to me.
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I should go meditate at the Georgia Guidestone.
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All I'm saying is that maybe the globalist, maybe the bad guys in Kingsman, the Secret
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Service just went about it the wrong way.
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You know, I haven't seen the movie, but I'm sure Alex has and is part of his world view.
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Probably.
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So.
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Well, that's because Samuel L. Jackson was the main bad guy and he's black.
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So of course, Idris Elba can't be Bond.
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He should be, though.
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Yeah, I agree.
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So the reason that that that last clip is such a weird show we do.
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This is nuts.
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No one should do this show.
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No one should like it.
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We've spent hours now talking about Idris Breivik.
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Idris Elba should be James Bond.
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I don't know how we live.
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We get out of this heavy stuff and all of a sudden we're riffing.
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What the fuck are we doing?
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I don't know how we fucking live, Dan.
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Yikes.
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So the reason that I that last clip is particularly important to me is because Alex Jones gets
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a lot of mileage out of this term white al-Qaeda that he uses.
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White-kida.
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I agree.
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He said better portmanteau, but he says white al-Qaeda, so we have to go with it.
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Right.
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But maybe even short and further to like white-kida.
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Now you're close to Wakanda.
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That's too close.
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See, now, hold on.
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Now, who would be the mortal enemy more of Wakanda than white-konda or white-kida?
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Yeah.
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See, there we go.
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White-konda, white-kida.
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Excuse me, excuse me, Marvel.
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Black Panther 2 now has its main enemy.
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Hit up your boys.
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I know how to use Citrix.
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I can write a script.
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I know where a Starbucks is.
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Let's do this.
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I got a couple of friends who have written spec.
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Yeah.
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Oh, God.
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So the reason that it's really important to me is that he gets a lot of mileage out of
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the ambiguity that he usually uses with that.
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Because when he talks about white al-Qaeda in that last clip, he makes it very clear
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what he's talking about is white people joining al-Qaeda.
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And that is the kernel, and that's the general use of that term.
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However, later, not in this episode, but later as time goes on, he'll repurpose that term
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into being a way to mock the idea of right-wing white terrorism.
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The idea that's like, oh, they're just using white people now like it's white al-Qaeda.
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But in this episode, in that last clip, he made very clear he's specifically talking
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about white people joining up with al-Qaeda, which is what the globalists are doing to
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make everyone scared of white people.
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All your neighbors could be in al-Qaeda.
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That's the narrative that he's putting forth, which is clunky and pretty bad, especially
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considering the truth that we know about this attack, which was primarily motivated by a
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guy who hates Muslims and thinks that a group that could be described similarly to the globalist
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is helping them overrun Europe, which is exactly what Alex Jones thinks about the world.
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Christ.
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It's nuts.
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The West, Dan.
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The West.
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The ol' West.
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The West.
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We gotta, we gotta protect them.
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Man.
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They're great.
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Everybody knows it.
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Yep.
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The West is a myth.
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Anyway, in this next clip, this is one of my favorite things.
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Like the direction?
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What?
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No.
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That movie North is a myth.
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Stop it.
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Stop it.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm saying stop it to you, but I'm the one who made the show.
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I gotta survive.
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I gotta survive.
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I gotta survive, Dan.
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I like that I'm saying stop it to you, but it was me who said North.
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Look, come on.
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What am I supposed to do but set you up?
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Yeah.
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You're, you're consistently funnier than me.
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My job is just to remind you to be funny.
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I'm often accidentally funny.
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I've never been prouder than when I called fucking Merle Haggard a Muppet.
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Anyway, Jordan, this next clip is one of my favorite things in the world.
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It's just evidence that Alex Jones can't run an operation because he just does a business
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meeting on air, basically.
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So what happens is he knows that Paul Joseph Watson is probably going to do a better job
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than him about being articulate about stuff.
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At least in a shorter timeframe.
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Right.
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So he calls Paul Joseph Watson but forgets to put him on speakerphone.
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So he's talking, you can hear him, but you cannot hear Paul Joseph Watson.
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He is, you might as well be on a bus with him and only listening to his side of the
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conversation.
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This next clip is a damning indictment of Alex Jones because what he's doing is a business
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meeting on air with Paul Joseph Watson trying to spin the narrative that they want to put
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out on the website without Paul Joseph Watson's side of the conversation.
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I don't know why he didn't do this in the commercial break that he is clearly coming
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out of.
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But whatever the case, here is Alex Jones being the worst fucking content producer in
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the world.
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I'm calling Paul Joseph Watson right now.
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In fact, if I know Watson, he's probably already on it.
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They've announced that White Al Qaeda is running around shooting people in Norway.
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You've got the bombing coinciding with it right as they had the rollout of White Al
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Qaeda in the last week and told you they were...
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Why Qaeda?
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So by this point, it's late in the show.
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That's my new fake laugh.
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It's late in the show.
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So I don't know exactly all of the news that had come out, but he's already dealing with
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it as coordinated but separate attacks when it was the same guy who very clearly did all
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of it.
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Yeah.
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We're going to hit you right as the bankers implode Europe and get ready to implode the
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United States.
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They staged these provocative events to make you rally around and worship them.
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Hey, Watson, are you there, buddy?
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Okay, I'm live on air right now.
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You're not punched up.
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I called you on my globalist tracking phone.
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We're using a jack-in-the-matrix here.
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But obviously, look, we don't have the crew, but I'm asking listeners now as I ask you,
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because this is what really impresses people that aren't awake, who don't know the research.
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They do get impressed by precision predictions.
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Remember, I said why Al Qaeda would strike right as they imploded Europe and that they
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would have a rollout of why Al Qaeda, starting with target shootings and bombings in Europe
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that would then move to the United States.
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And I've been predicting this, I don't know, for over a year now with exact precision because
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I was gauging their propaganda.
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They're here for over a year with that precision of the public show.
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This is an absolute emergency.
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Why Al Qaeda attacking shooting people in Norway, coinciding with the car bomb.
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I mean, this is just absolutely off the charts.
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I believe this is the beginning of their beta testing the rollout of why Al Qaeda.
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And they're also going to have the rollout of Muslim extremists linking up with the why
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Al Qaeda.
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They teach police that they're turning veterans, they have all these TV shows like Homeland
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and others, they're all about the vets who are going to join Al Qaeda, the blue-eyed
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vets.
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Anybody believes that?
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It's just beyond ridiculous.
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But the shy op is launching right as they get ready to fully implode the depression.
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You know, I've always laid that out to you.
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In fact, I'll put you on speaker here, Watson.
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Watson, do you have any comments on that?
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Well, Alex, what I'd like to point out is that it should be why Qaeda, not why Al Qaeda.
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Al Qaeda.
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He tries to get P.J.
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Dubs on speakerphone.
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It doesn't really work out.
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Not going well.
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And he's like, hey, Bob Chapman's coming up.
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You can have a little talk with him.
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Bob Chapman's on and they can't even get to selling gold.
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Alex tries a couple of times and it doesn't even work because the news and all that shit.
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Right, right, right.
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And then at the same time when Bob Chapman's coming on, Alex gets a call from someone in
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Norway who's a listener who was there when the bomb went off.
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He was nearby.
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And how do you say fuck you in Norwegian?
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No, this dude was a listener.
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He loves Alex.
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And it's just a situation where this guy.
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How do you say go home and tell your mother you're brilliant in Norwegian?
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I wish I knew.
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But this guy just gives like a basic recounting of the facts, you know, like, hey, this was
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the near the prime minister's office and all this stuff.
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Alex screams over him and tries to make his narrative, like get this guy to agree with
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his points that he's already making.
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And because the guy's a fan, he's like, yeah, absolutely, Alex, woo.
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That sort of thing.
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And so good work.
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It's as good as no one calling in.
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But I like that glimpse in that last clip, because what we see is what should be a production
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meeting being done on air.
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You can hear Alex being like, all right, here are the propaganda points that we need to
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hit to.
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People love precision predictions.
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And I've already decided that this is white al-Qaeda, and I've predicted that in the past.
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So use the fact that I predicted that in the past to make an article that sums all of this
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up and make it look like I made like a really amazing prediction, even though I'm ignoring
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the fact that details are still all of reality.
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Yeah, but that's what they do.
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This is how propaganda works.
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You're seeing how the sausage is made on air.
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That was a really...
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Well, one side of the sausage.
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This is an embarrassing thing for him to do.
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Like it's just clunky.
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So now hours have passed since he previously said that this was fake.
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And by this point in the show, I'm not entirely sure, like I don't have a time stamp on this,
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but by the point we're at now...
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Well, he said it was a false flag.
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He didn't say it was...
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This wasn't crisis actors.
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He said it was staged.
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Oh, he did say it was staged?
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Well, he said 98% chance, 2% chance it's real, 98% chance it's staged.
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Yeah, but I think what he meant though was that it happened, but it was a lie about how
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and who perpetrated it.
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Possibly.
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What he's doing is being far too fair to like what he meant.
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But it's now been hours.
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And by this point, it's all over.
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By this time that he's now on air, this is like in the third hour of the show, it's all
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over in Norway time.
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Anders Breivik has laid his weapons down and been arrested.
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Presumably the news reports are reporting that.
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Now I'll also say that because of what we've already talked about, the victim who was arrested
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as a supposed accomplice, that fake news, if you will, might be being reported.
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So that's something that he should take a step back from, but it's understandable if
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he wants to use that in his narratives.
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Which at the same time, like everybody's actually...
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Like the idea of arresting that guy in that moment does make sense to you because if you're
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a Norwegian cop, how could you possibly deal with this in a rational matter in the moment?
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That's like you're just throwing shit at the wall at that point.
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Just like, I see something, I don't know what to do.
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That is the sort of like, I definitely understand the mentality.
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I hate the result, but I understand the mentality.
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Now the more I think about it, the more I'm like, if you kill that guy, if you kill that
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guy in the moment while you're on that island, he's a hero.
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He's a martyr.
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He's the most amazing.
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If you give him a PlayStation 3, what do you got?
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What do you got?
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Who's the bigger person?
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Who proves what society should be more than the country that is like, you're a fucking
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monster and we will still treat you like a human being?
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That's one of the points that I had hoped to get to is that the entirety, if you look
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at the big picture of this story, all it does is disprove everything Anders Breivik believed
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in because the culture that believes in multiculturalism, the culture that believes in acceptance is
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the same culture that refuses to torture him in prison, is the culture that keeps him alive
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and allows him to play video games so he won't go crazy, that allows him to have correspondence.
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Well, he's already gone crazy.
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Crazier.
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That allows him to have correspondence with the outside world, watch reality shows, have
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a electronic typewriter so he can write his manifestos and things like that.
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It's a living indictment of what he believes in, the fact that societies are able to deal
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with someone like him and not be like, you know what, we are going to torture you slowly
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until you die.
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Which once again, somehow, is an indictment of the fucking United States.
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What is it?
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Like what have I always, I've always believed like the best reaction to 9-11 would have
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been like, this wasn't a country, this wasn't a ideology, this was lunatics.
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We condemn these fucking lunatics, but you know what, we're going to build these fucking
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towers back up.
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You have done nothing to us.
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You can't stop us.
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You can't do anything to us.
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That's what I've always believed in, yet somehow I get trapped in that idea of like fucking
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kill him.
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But what was the Iraq war other than proving that America is garbage?
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And then proving that that mentality doesn't get you anywhere other than the worst place.
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Other than a 20 year, yeah, the man who seeks revenge digs his own grave, et cetera.
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Like that whole thing, like it is true.
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It takes me back to like-
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It's so frustrating that it's true though, I hate that it's true.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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But it is.
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So at this point, like I said, we're deep into the show.
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Why am I convincing myself not to commit white genocide, Dan?
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I've been wanting to for so long.
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Because restraint is important.
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I know, you're a better person than me.
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I don't know about that.
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Let me out.
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I don't know.
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Anyway-
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I'm going to kill you.
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Oh no.
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That is the logical conclusion.
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That is the logical conclusion of my rhetoric.
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Yeah.
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The thing is, I've nailed this down, I believe.
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We're deep into the show now.
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Yeah.
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Alex should have more information at his disposal and let's see if he does.
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Blast and gun attack in Norway, seven dead.
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How are the Norwegians taking this and why do you think the globalists clearly staged
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ladies and gentlemen?
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I mean, I'd say 98% chance.
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Nevermind.
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I pass on my earlier argument.
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Clearly that was staged.
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Fuck off.
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But nothing has changed.
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He's using the exact same narrative that he had at the beginning of the show.
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It's staged.
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It's the globalist.
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98% chance.
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When he said 2% chance it's real earlier, he's saying the exact same goddamn thing.
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You can never believe it statistically, believing it is stupid.
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Years later, when more information had come in, he's being the worst journalist in the
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world.
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So now he talks about what the globalists, why would they do this?
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Look, I need listeners not to toot my horn, but to get all the videos where I lay out
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exactly how this would start.
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And if it turns out they say it's white al-Qaeda, you know folks, they're dropping the hammer.
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They're going to start the arrest, the roundups.
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I mean, this means they're getting ready to start a World War III scenario and use it
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to crack down on domestic groups.
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Bob Chapman, to you.
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So you know who was trying to start a World War III scenario?
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Anders fucking Breivik.
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It's clear.
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That's what he was doing.
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He was trying part phase one of his three phase war involves these flash attacks, one
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of which he perpetrated, which was in order to kick off this three stage European civil
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war that would lead with the repression of Islam as a whole.
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So Alex being like the globalist's plan to do this, like, no, that was, you are right.
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You're right in terms of the idea, but you're wrong because it was the idea of someone who
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believes the same thing as you do, actually doing it.
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Which is a larger, more perfect point.
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The people who are most similar to Anders Breivik are the people that he ostensibly
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is against.
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Like that idea of Muslim extremism, like that whole concept of like, oh, they're trying
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to start the end times.
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The only people who could possibly understand them are not human beings, but Christian extremists.
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The only people who can really get exactly why and what they're doing are the people
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who are trying to do it ostensibly in defense against it.
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You're the same.
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You are the same people.
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And this is where it's probably most fitting that I bring up another passage from his manifesto.
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God damn you, Dan.
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Anders Breivik at one point- I love Alex Jones.
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Is that what he said?
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Oh, okay.
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Shockingly, Alex doesn't come up.
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Okay, I'm sorry.
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But to be fair, Alex wasn't full hog on this rhetoric at that point.
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He's behind the game a little bit.
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He wasn't full bogey?
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I don't think so.
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He's only half-tailed bogey.
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He was half-tailed bogey?
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Okay.
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And in the logistics portion of his manifesto, Anders Breivik talks about the idea of hooking
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up with Al-Qaeda because he could buy weapons from them or something like that.
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So he talks about the idea of getting involved with terrorist groups, but at the same time-
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Because I'm a terrorist.
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But at the same time, if you read all of those passages, he talks about how this could work.
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It probably wouldn't.
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It's not a wise road to go down.
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It's in there in his manifesto as a possible way to get a WMD, but it's like, eh, we probably
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shouldn't do this.
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And I hate those people, so why would I do that?
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But it's in there.
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It's in there.
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The idea, the possibility.
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The only people that can understand me are the people who I am ostensibly fighting against.
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Exactly.
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I create my own enemies.
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To some extent.
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Yep.
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Speaking of which- God damn it, Dan!
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This next clip is so fucking cool.
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Can we stop being apt?
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This next clip is so fucking horrifying.
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You know, it's terrorism is bad, but I really wish it was lone nut Muslims and not the military
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industrial complex.
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That's a lot more frightening.
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And so please, God, let it be Muslim extremists, please.
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But we may find that unicorn here.
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Fake laugh.
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I don't know why you'd be praying it was Muslims unless your modus operandi and your whole
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raison d'etre is to demonize Muslims.
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So that sort of clip where he's like, please, God, let it be Muslims, I just, I hear something
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like that.
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And I'm like, fuck this.
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That's dark.
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That is dark.
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Because it comes from a place of flippancy.
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Like he's not, he's talking extemporaneously.
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He's just kind of riffing around.
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And that's where his brain is.
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He's like, I wish this was Muslims.
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I wish.
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Because he, he is saying it is Muslims, but he believes that the Muslims are working for
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the globalists.
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So he's wrong on like three levels.
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Dan, Jordan, in moments like these, I remember that when we started this show, you were like,
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this is going to be fun.
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Well, it is sometimes.
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This is a great idea.
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He's a crazy man.
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We're going to laugh at his craziness.
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Yeah, he's cruel, but most of the time he's crazy.
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You got to go where the information leads you, man.
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I was a radical leftist two years ago, two years ago.
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I was just a radical leftist, Dan.
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I was just a radical leftist.
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I didn't know there was another step forward.
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Now you're a cultural Marxist, globalist cultural Marxist.
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God damn it, Dan.
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But I don't think that like, I don't think that any of this that we look at has to radicalize
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your politics.
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It just has to inform what you know about what a lot of people believe.
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Which is that if anybody that you know is right wing, it is not necessarily that they
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believe all of this stuff.
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It is not necessarily that they are that they can't possibly consciously believe this.
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Most of them, because at the at the end, it's like they believe that they're good people.
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Like so many people, so many people on the right wing would see somebody who is Muslim,
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who is, you know, like, oh, I saw them at the grocery store.
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We talked for a little while for a little while.
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And then maybe we went out and maybe we were in the same program.
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This anonymous can can feature anybody.
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And we got together and we became friends.
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And yet somehow I would invite them into my home.
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But I still support a fucking pile of goddamn garbage that wants immigrants separated from
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their fucking families.
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Like these are people who don't even understand that the underpinnings of all of their beliefs,
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the the the the fucking core is Anders Breivik.
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People is a fucking white nationalist terrorist.
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They don't get that.
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Forty percent of America.
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They probably don't recognize that what motivated this man to do what he did is the same rhetoric
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that informs most of Trump's support.
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Most of the MAGA base.
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And I don't I don't I don't like brushing with a broad brush.
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I don't like painting with a broad brush.
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But so, like, not everyone is beholden to all the same propaganda.
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But the people who put out most of the influential media are exactly in line with everything
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that's in this manifesto.
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It's ludicrous to think that, like, any time if like I know that the right likes to talk
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about Bill Ayers and Saul Alinsky.
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If I read their documents and they were like, oh, shit, in the same way that reading his
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manifesto was, I would probably have to take a moment of pause.
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But their documents are like, hey, destroying property.
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Not life.
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Well, that's I feel like you're getting into, like, libertarian ways.
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Anyway.
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No, no, no.
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That's not the point.
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This is a whole different.
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I'm sorry.
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That was introducing a left field argument that, yeah, I reached the end of my thought
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probably.
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So at this point, Alex is kind of floundering a little bit, just being like, hey, I've been
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right all along.
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Isn't that great?
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Paul wrote an article about it.
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But he needs Paul to, like, sort of synthesize, like, a smarter point, because I do think
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Paul Joseph Watson is smarter than Alex.
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And so Paul comes in with this.
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That's not a high bar.
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Now that Paul is not on speakerphone anymore, they've got him on a connection, he gives
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this.
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Well, I mean, there's three very good reasons why Norway would be in line for a slap on
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the wrist from these globalists.
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I mean, it's a country that's not in the EU.
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So it's not part of that Bilderberg inner circle.
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Number one, two months ago they froze a $42 million payment to Greece saying that they're
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not going to give them any more money.
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That would have upset the people organizing the bailout.
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Number two, they supported a Palestinian state, which is going to be up for a vote at the
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UN in September.
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So the Arabs attack them.
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I mean, give me a break.
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But number three, they're set to pull out of Libya on August the 1st, which they announced
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a couple of months ago.
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So three very good reasons why the globalists would be angry with them.
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As usual, total precision from Watson.
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So all he's done is he's laid out ideas, he's laid out coincidences.
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None of that implies any sort of causation.
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And it's not really totally representative of...
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You know what it is?
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It's that childish cause and effect that we always talk about.
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That just sort of informs and belies all of Infowars rhetoric.
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It's that idea of mysterious cause and effect that we are presenting as real.
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And that's all Paul's doing, but he's doing it better than Alex, which is why Alex ends
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that with precision from Watson.
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That's a throwback to that basic evolutionary survival tactic of like, create cause and
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effect, even if there isn't.
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Because cause and effect will protect you in some way.
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There's this weird constellation and that means that the moose are out tonight.
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Always be on the lookout.
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Always be creating these things.
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If it weren't for that basic 2.5 million years ago brainstem creating those things, we wouldn't
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have maybe higher functions now, but the remnant of it is still killing us.
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Yeah, to some extent.
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And we try as best we can, but it's an almost irresistible drive to create connections where
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they don't exist.
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Yeah, of course.
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Anyways, it's a full moon tonight, Dan, so don't be surprised if people start acting
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crazy.
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Where, where, where?
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People kill themselves around the holidays.
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So in this next clip, we've come to the point of the show where the news reports are clearly
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saying that this was a white guy, a blonde guy, who carried out this attack and may have
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had right-
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Do you mean a Norwegian?
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And may have had right wing leanings.
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And so Alex now has to process that information.
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And I would say he does it in maybe the worst way possible.
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Well, just, just to add as well, Reuters are now saying that it's probably an alliance
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between Islamists and right-wing extremists.
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Of course, the guy who-
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Do you mean the same people?
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Carried out the shooting was a blonde haired Norwegian.
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And that's the script.
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Okay.
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That's it.
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That came out in Reuters.
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Absolutely.
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I told you, I saw it in the tea leaves from all the data I integrate that I could see
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the scripting.
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Ladies and gentlemen, right wingers in Europe absolutely hate the Muslims and try 24 seven
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to kick them out and are tried by government tribunals for saying, route the Muslims.
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If you think right wing militia groups and people are working with the Muslims, ladies
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and gentlemen, I got a bridge I want to sell you.
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Okay, Paul.
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Now I'm getting freaked out.
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You got to admit, Paul, did I not absolutely a hundred percent call this?
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Hey, Alex.
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No.
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You just accidentally gave up on air that all of the right wing people that you align
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with in Europe hate Muslims.
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Not that they have a good point, not that they're responding to anything real.
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Right wingers in Europe hate Muslims.
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But that's why they're the ones that the government chooses to demonize, Dan.
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That's why they choose them-
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Wait, I actually think that's fine.
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No, that's why they choose them to commit their false flag attacks because then you
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would believe that all right wingers believe that.
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Why Dan?
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Because all right wingers believe that.
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That's what Alex just said.
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Well, yeah, but all right wingers believe that.
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That's why they would choose the right wingers who believe that to carry out these false
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flags to point out that right wingers believe that.
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In comedy, that's what's called putting a hat on a hat.
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You know, like that's-
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Yeah, that's a Norm Macdonald joke.
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That's joking a joke.
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That's-
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What if the premise was the joke?
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Right.
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Yeah.
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What if the setup is the setup and that's the joke?
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Like it's-
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There you go.
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Like what he's doing is describing like an ecosystem where in right wingers hate Muslims,
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they would do this thing.
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And Germans love David Hasselhoff.
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It's just ludicrous.
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Like he would never say that now.
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He's saying that as some sort of defense against the idea that this was a right winger, which
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it was 100%.
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Who does hate Muslims?
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Absolutely.
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Like Alex does.
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But I would argue based on the hundreds of pages that I've read, he straight up hates
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Muslims.
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Yeah.
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But he's more primarily motivated-
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Unless he's going to bang them.
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That's Tommy Robinson.
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Oh, okay.
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Trying to flirt with Muslims on Twitter.
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Hey, don't worry about it.
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You're fit for a Muslim, quote.
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They're destroying the world, but you want to bang?
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The thing that I think he hates more is the multiculturalism and that cultural Marxist,
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which is code for globalist, which is code for Alex's worldview.
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So I do think that he hates Muslims and was primarily motivated by that.
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But the primary motivation is also washed up into that worldview that you could easily
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ascribe to being, he's afraid of the globalists allowing Muslims in.
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It's the same thing.
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So in the same way, I know I'm making a really fine line here, but it's the same thing where
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it's like, you want to call him a Nazi, but in his manifesto, he's clearly anti-Nazi and
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Hitler.
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So it becomes more complicated.
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You want to say that he just hates Muslims and yes, he does hate Muslims, but there's
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another layer to it that is more what he's motivated by, which is the traitorous government
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people who are allowing the Muslims in.
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And the only reason I feel the need to make that fine a point is because it is accurately
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reporting what he believes and it makes it more similar to Alex.
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You know, but that's, that's the, that's the central underpinning to so many of those,
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like a right wing justifications is on the macro it's bad, but on the micro it's fine.
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Yeah.
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Like I know a good Muslim, but on the macro, I bet you do.
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I bet you do.
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It's all terrible.
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Exactly.
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Because that's one who's been integrated.
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Exactly.
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You know, but you can't integrate all of them and the large majority will never be integrated.
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So I want to protect the good ones like fucking Dave Patel.
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Like he's got to go.
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Well, I mean, he's got to go, well, we got to protect Western civilization, but I mean
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at the same time, how many, how many fucking stories do you read where it's like a small
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town is like 99% for Trump and then they find out that their buddy was a, uh, an illegal
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immigrant and they're like, no, you're not supposed to take him.
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You're not supposed to take him.
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He's cool.
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We should protect the mug, the immigrants who are cool and then, but we can't believe
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that most immigrants are cool because we're told that they're not.
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Right.
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I know it's a, it's a, um, well, what we're experiencing in the world largely is a lot
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of people succumbing to propaganda over their own experience and that is a great way of
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putting it.
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And that's a really, really sad state of affairs.
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But I also think that there's something to be said for like, I, I was having a conversation
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about this recently, about the idea that like, you know, with diminishing incomes, it becomes
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much harder to travel, harder to see the world, harder to get outside of your bubble.
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But at the same time, the internet is becoming so immersive in terms of like, you can experience
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so much of the world without leaving your desk, right?
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You know, so there is a, there is a possibility for experiencing so much more than you ever
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were able to, without leaving anywhere.
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But everyone gets funneled into the wrong places.
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So what they do, what they end, what ends up happening is like you have, you said Dave
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Patel, let's use that as a, you have this person that you know, who is a very awesome
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person who is Muslim, let's say, and then you have your view of the world, possibly
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a lot of the time is this negative world online that's like, no, don't believe it.
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Don't believe it.
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He's fine.
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But there's all these others who were like, they want to kill you.
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And I don't know what you do with that.
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I don't know how, I don't know how it works.
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I don't know what the path forward looks like.
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Because if your experience of the world, like legitimately is trumped by propaganda and
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is trumped by like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's cool.
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He's cool.
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Don't get me wrong.
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He's cool.
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But what you need to know about is cultural Marxism, which you need to know is that the
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globalists who want to flood our country, right, and in the, they don't want more Dave's,
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they want more Muhammad's.
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Well, they also want more Dave's too, though, as is in the manifesto.
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And Alex, this is part of his rhetoric, the idea that they want more Dave's and Muhammad's
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in here, because they'll all vote for multiculturalist, right, right, globalist, right.
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And the Dave's will convince you that the Muhammad's are fine.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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And that's a crazy, which is a broad generalization that I don't like.
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That's a shorthand that we're using to represent therapy is not, I think I'm just, I just want
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to be clear.
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Right.
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You're, don't get, don't get hung up on that.
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I'm sorry.
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The metaphor is clear.
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Yeah.
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And I think that it's, it's, it's very dangerous.
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And I think there are a lot of people who still have immersive experiences in life and
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still understand that people from all walks of life are fucking cool as shit.
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Right.
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And you know that no one without mental illness, drug abuse, terrible circumstance in life,
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or domestic abuse, or demonstrable, crazy circumstance wants to hurt other people.
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Yeah.
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And I think most people understand that everyone from every walk of life loves their family.
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Everybody wants to have a real fucking good time hanging out with each other.
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Yeah.
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And, and if you don't believe that, then that's on you.
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I think, I think most people understand that, but like we talk about, there's that 40, there's
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that, that, that hard 40.
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I think that is, with those people, I would say that 98% of people are like, no matter
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who is affected by the propaganda, 98% of people in their own lives, in their own small
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place, just want to be kind.
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Right.
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That's, that's what we are.
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We're trying to be kind in a way.
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And unfortunately the, the 2% is somehow capable, like the psychopaths are somehow capable of
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creating this propaganda that can convince people who otherwise would not want to harm
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someone.
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There's a reason that there's, there's a reason that there isn't that 40% of the country doesn't
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murder people.
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You hit on exactly what I think is sort of like what, like, you know, how Anders Breivik
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has his five point, a perfect ideal version of a society.
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Right.
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I kind of have a version of that myself.
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And one of them is like.
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Get rid of the Welsh.
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Number one, number two, Ska is going to make a comeback.
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It's never going to make a comeback.
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More importantly, like we need to grow up to a certain extent and recognize, like you
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say 2% in terms of like monsters or whatever.
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We have to grow up to the point where we realize that like, there are just anomalies in society,
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based on how human brains work, how society works, that we have to just absorb the blow.
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It sucks.
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It sucks.
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There's things that we can do to mitigate the damage of that, which is number one, fucking
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gun control.
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We need to fucking do that.
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It'd be nice.
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Real hard.
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It'd be nice if our psychopaths got a guy.
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In order to do that, we need to get money out of politics.
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So there's a lot of political things that we need to do in order to achieve this situation.
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But we need to get to a point where we realize that like, yeah, man, it sucks.
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Living in a society does involve a certain amount of risk.
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Because everyone around you, a lot of the time seem cool, but someone might hurt you.
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That may happen.
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And it sucks when it does happen, but we need to not take that as proof of X, Y, or Z generalization
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that leads to more hurting of people.
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But at the same time, right.
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But the issue winds up coming down to those 2%.
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The psychopaths are far more capable of manipulating the system to destroy the rest of us, right?
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Like when you look at anybody who's a billionaire, you have to eventually get to the point where
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you're like, well, 98% of humanity is cool, but those 2%, 98% of them are psychopaths.
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You know, like that kind of thing.
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Right.
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Jordan, here's why that's fucking flawed.
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I'm not saying that it's a perfect analogy by any means.
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What you're saying makes sense, but I'm not scared of that.
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Because here's the God's honest truth.
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Like the people who are propagandists and people who use these tricks, there are only
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so many tricks they can use.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like in the same way that if you study logic, you understand logical fallacies.
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And so you're able to look at an argument and be like, oh, no, that's begging the question.
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What you're doing there.
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Oh, you're affirming the antecedent that, you know, what you've done there is not...
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That's against the rules, you know, like whatever.
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There are only a certain amount of logical fallacies that exist because of how the structure
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of arguments work.
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In the same way, propaganda only works like maybe 15 different ways.
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There aren't a lot of ways that are compelling to make an argument that are emotionally manipulative.
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There is a finite number of ways that people can trick you into forgetting your higher
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brain and going with emotion.
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So what I would recommend, and the reason that 2% doesn't scare me too much, is that
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I hope as we evolve and as society gets better and better as we go along, which I hope we
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will, those...
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Dan.
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Dan.
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I'm idealistic.
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Dan, 2050.
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Come on.
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Well, climate change...
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We're not gonna make it.
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But those sorts of things, if we just start to understand them a little better, the appeals
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to demography, the appeals to unproven stats, the appeals to us versus them, those sorts
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of things, if we just take a second, if everyone just starts to understand, oh, this is how
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propagandists manipulate people, there's a decent chance that we could undo a lot of
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the damage that 2% can do.
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And the 2% isn't all propagandists.
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Let's say it's like half and half actors and propagandists.
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Like the monsters and then propagandists.
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But I think you can mitigate that damage.
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And to pretend that we live in a society where it's not a pawn, it's not like...
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It's not...
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You're behooved to understand that because you need to play self-defense because those
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people are out there.
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At the same time, though, how do you argue against the reality that in the almost inverse
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of the truth, which again is going to be a far larger generalization than it should be,
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but the metaphor would then be only 2% of the population studies logic and 98% of the
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population doesn't.
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Probably less than that.
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Yeah, right?
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But that's...
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I'm using logic as...
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I'm using logic as an analog.
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I'm not saying that...
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And I'm using it as a metaphor.
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Like I totally get what you're saying.
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That's not what I'm...
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I mean, just the point being is that how is it that we educate people when the 2% is so
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insistent about not educating people and yet those 2% are billionaires and the 2% that
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is insistent upon educating people are fucking poor as shit.
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The responsibility is upon the people who get it.
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And I think that there are a lot of good actors out there.
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I think there are.
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Like I talk...
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I complain about right-wing watch and media matters all the fucking time because I don't
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think they do enough.
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Right.
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They do a good amount of stuff.
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Their heart is in the right place.
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Yes, absolutely.
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For sure.
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And they do a good job of reporting on X, Y, and Z thing that the right does.
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Now I wish...
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What they do report on, they do a good job of reporting on.
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And I wish they'd report more, but maybe that's a foundational problem with their funds or
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their staff or whatever.
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We're not gonna fix it on this show.
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Right.
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And at the same time, I wish that this particular...
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The media matters when they post videos that demonstrate a very important point.
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I wish they would include an essay that explains why it's an important point as opposed to
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just posting that.
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But then also you have people like Vic Berger who posts really awesome proof that Mike Cernovich
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is a fucking monster.
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Right.
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You have examples of that all over the place.
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There's a lot of good people who were doing the work, Sam Seder, Michael Brooks, also
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doing amazing work.
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But again, we get into the inverse 2% situation.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Somewhat.
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But the inverse of it, you only need that inverse 2% to fight against that 2%.
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Because look, I'm not here to talk...
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We're kind of couching this in a weird ultimate battle of good and evil right now, which I
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don't think is how we should...
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It's deluded in reality.
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The 2%, 2% kind of thing has a connotation of like...
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The force is much always being matched.
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Yeah, exactly.
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There's two Sith in there, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That whole thing.
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But I sincerely believe this, and I believe this is based on all of the research that
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I consistently do, and all of Alex's primary sources, like digging into it.
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I really think that all it takes is a charismatic, decently matched version of what he does in
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order to completely destroy all of the stuff that he does.
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All of the propaganda can be diffused.
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All of the propaganda can be diffused to a certain amount of people by discussing why
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the propaganda exists, where it comes from, what its intent is, and where the problem
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is.
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You know, like that is...
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Propaganda can't exist like that in a world where the inverse is there.
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And so when you have people who push back against it, which I think is incredibly important,
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I'm not just saying that because it's kind of what we do, but pushing back against that
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will help diffuse all this stuff.
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This is what I'm saying.
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We are uniquely placed wherein you and I should run the world.
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Like I'm going to be the charismatic channeling of Righteous Fury.
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You're going to be the one who tells me what to say.
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No, we should be doing exactly what we're doing, quite frankly.
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And the reason that this works is because of that Prime Minister-President dynamic that
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you're describing, but as a fun entertainment show where we break down propaganda.
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I think it's the most...
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Not the most, but I think it's an incredibly important piece of our modern world that we
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have to deal with and whatever.
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I don't know.
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I think that we've spun off into like a...
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We've gone wild.
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I think this conversation is certainly very valid, but at the same time, we wouldn't be
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having it if it weren't for a lot of feelings that we're having because of the content that
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we've been covering and how very clear, like I can't stress enough, if you take the time
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to go read all the stuff that I've read, that I've tried to express as best I can on this
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podcast without just sitting here and reading you his whole goddamn manifesto.
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If you go and read it, you will only see parallels to the world that we talk about and Alex Jones
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personally.
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A hundred percent.
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And it wasn't his world in 2009.
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Now, I don't know the months before this.
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I don't know the months before this, what his rhetoric specifically was.
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I don't know when he chose to hate Muslims and be really scared of them, but I do know
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that if I had to choose 2009, 2010, he's not like this.
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He's not someone who is basically regurgitating Anders Breivik kind of talking points.
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And in 2018, he fucking is.
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He is a hundred percent that guy.
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So is Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity.
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Totally.
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Don't kid yourselves.
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Totally.
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Yeah.
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They're just praying that another Anders Breivik shows up, preferably in America, because
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it would sort of somehow justify them because they've done the preemptive groundwork of
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being like, if this happens, they're just trying to demonize white people, which Alex
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did with all of these other fucking terrorist attacks and mass shootings that have happened
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since then.
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So we have one more clip here and we'll get to it.
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This is sort of a summation of things, and I think it's probably Alex being his most
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disgusting.
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Well, it looks like they're going to go with white Al Qaeda, white terrorists period, claim
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their right wingers or whatever.
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They are.
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They're in Reuters saying, you know, the whities are working with Al Qaeda now.
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I mean, this is all you good old boys that love giving up freedoms because it's only
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for them brown people.
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You're going to find out it's for everybody.
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What's done to any group is going to end up being done to everybody.
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That's why we all hang together or surely hang shepherd.
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So the reason that I think that's a fitting last clip for this show is I would prefer
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if he called him honkies, but that's fine.
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Well, what we see there is a false call for solidarity.
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Like there is this idea.
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Like if he actually meant what he was saying, I would say like, hurrah.
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Like that idea of like, hey, if it happens to the least of us, it happens to all of us.
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That sort of thing.
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You know, that whole Jesus thing.
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Well, because we know from his history, we know from his rhetoric, from looking at him,
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we know that he doesn't really care all that much when it happens to other groups.
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It's always the implicit threat that it's had, which he even is expressing in that clip
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where he talks about like you bubbas, you know, you think it's just there for, you know,
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the Browns.
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No, it's there for you, too.
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But that goes back to why we we reacted so heavily or why especially you reacted so heavily
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when you made that realization of, oh, his biggest problem was not all of these atrocities
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being committed.
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It's that he thought they might eventually be committed to white people.
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Yeah.
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And in this situation, when he's living in 2011, when he's living with a black president,
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when he's living with all of these these ideas that he can't handle, of course, he's terrified
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because he thinks finally white people are going to get treated like this.
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And now he's totally fine with this impression because he knows, fuck it, white people are
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going to be fine, even though he's wrong, even though he's utterly and completely wrong,
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even though white people are more damaged currently by what he thinks makes sense for
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white people.
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He still thinks that by virtue of having a white supremacist in office.
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He's going to be fine.
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Yeah.
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Well, he's rich, though, so he's probably going to be fine.
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You won't be soon.
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Let's hope.
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I don't think he's going to get away from like at least some settlements in terms of
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all the lawsuits he's not going to go well, but like that's that's where that's where
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like I think that last clip really perfectly sums up like what the the fucked up part of
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Alex Jones, especially 2011 onward, I guess I don't know where to put the beginning point
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on it is, is that like if he actually meant that, I agree, you know, like he's saying
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good things, but it's coded language, you know, like it's not it's not like you can't
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take it at face value.
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Like this idea of like we hang together or we hang separate, like in terms of all the
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people who are having their rights taken away and all this.
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If you actually believed that, then what you would be doing is championing people who aren't
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white who are having their rights taken away.
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Yeah.
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You know, like what you would do is you would have years ago been talking about the private
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prison system.
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Right.
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Well, you would have been talking about is all of these like really legitimate because
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white people might wind up in private prison.
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Well, if that's the reason, that's not great.
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Hey, it's not great.
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But you there's a lot of different ways that your your narratives and your rhetoric would
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have evolved over time if that was really what you cared about.
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Yeah.
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But the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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Yeah.
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And when you eat that pudding, what you find out is that all it is is white fear.
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All it is is this is coming for us, guys, if we don't push back against it.
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And let's also at the same time not really care about the actual victims.
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It reminds me so much of when I would make a cogent argument that my family couldn't
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handle regarding Christianity and how it's a like even what they believe they have perversely
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destroyed.
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Their response was always a biblical passage that said even the devil can quote scripture.
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Right.
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Like when Alex Jones says that shit, when Alex Jones says what you should believe.
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Yeah.
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Even the devil can quote scripture, man.
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You know, like that kind of perfect way to describe that.
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Yeah.
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So, Jordan, I have run into my life.
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This has been emotional for me.
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It's been very difficult wrestling with Anders Breivik.
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No, it's been great.
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And thank you, Sonia.
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I'm going to hate you until I die.
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It's OK.
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That's not true, Sonia.
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You're great.
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I think that I've made my points clear.
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My specific points are Anders in his manifesto very clearly expresses the exact same viewpoint
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that Alex Jones does, especially in modern day.
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And he expresses a viewpoint that has been largely adopted by most of the people in the
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alt right.
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The entirety of the Republican Party.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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So I want to because it's been so so much, I want to let you have the floor for a final
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word.
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Well, well, Dan, I'll tell you something.
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We retired a certain way of signing off.
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No, no, no, no, no, no.
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That's not what I meant.
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I meant do you have any last thoughts about this?
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Because I this is so fucking heavy in terms of the actual source material.
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We've been joking around a bit.
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I only I only am bringing this up because I in terms of my preparation for the show,
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I feel like I've been able to get my point across.
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Yeah.
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And if you have any other points that you want to make, it's I feel like it stands to
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reason that you should have a moment.
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I'm not saying that you have no, it's it's I don't want to pimp you out here.
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You're not.
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You're not pimping me out.
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I am.
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I am.
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I am.
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Listen.
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Professional.
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I handle my own business.
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Thank you.
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To me, as we were as we were talking about off air, I have gone through such this level
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of I have to react in this lizard brain of like, this guy should be killed.
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And throughout this whole episode, I'm going back and forth towards like, yes, he should
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be by all concept of justice.
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This is what he deserves.
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And at the same time, the only way to prove that it's it's his worldview is incorrect
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is to treat him humanely.
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It is to it is to accept that the reality is that vengeance only creates more vengeance.
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It only creates more destruction.
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The you know, revenge, dig, dig yourself two graves, et cetera, get in, getting, getting
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mad at this only perpetuates what created this right to see that the sincerely diffuses
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it.
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They and it it is amazing.
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It is really amazing how the master's tools will never destroy the master's house.
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Like that is a shit.
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Now I have to look up that quote is not in Anders Breivik's no, it is absolutely not.
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I have to look at I love to look her up.
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She Yeah, Audre Lorde, okay.
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Audre Lorde wrote an essay regarding this that is simply like so so apropos for so many
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different things like to a certain extent, you can apply it to democracy.
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You know, the master's tools are democracy.
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Or are they the oligarchy?
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Are they the the the money and campaign finance?
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What are those?
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And when you get down to it, to me, the master's tools are the patriarchy, our toxic masculinity.
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And that is always coming down to violence solves the problem.
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Well, this is irrelevant because poetry is a tool of the cultural Marxist.
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Thanks Dan for letting me have the floor.
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Thanks Dan.
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No problem.
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No, I agree with you.
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It is there's a lot of interesting, like things to wrestle with on that.
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But at the same time, you have to ask yourself, like, when they go low, we go high.
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That lost man.
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We lost.
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Well, I mean, you know, so there's that there's the other question about the election of 2016
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or what we're talking about on this episode, like in terms of low and high, you know, because
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I think there are different things.
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I don't know.
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We had a mass shooting today.
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True.
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So.
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So what did Andrews did Anders Breivik lose every day?
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We have every what weekly, monthly.
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He didn't lose.
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We didn't lose.
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We know that didn't lose.
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How do we how do we make them lose is the question of our time.
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How do we destroy them?
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Because we are no longer the longer conversation we had earlier.
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Yeah.
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It's the diffusing the propaganda.
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We're no longer in a place where we can like with all of the bullshit eulogies about John
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McCain, which look, my again, my initial reaction is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know,
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all of that stuff.
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But with those eulogies, what they are trying to point to is a past.
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They're hearkening to an emotional appeal.
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They're trying to say they're doing it dumbly.
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They're doing it for the wrong guy.
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But they're pointing back to like this idea of civility.
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There was a time where our arguments were about policy and not about reality.
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They're wrong.
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But the emotional truth is there.
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Exactly.
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You can't fault them for feeling that they want to believe it because that's a better
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vision of America.
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Right.
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The better vision is I just I think lowering taxes improves our economy and you think raising
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taxes on the rich improves our economy.
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Let's talk about that's a conversation.
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Let's not.
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I think that immigrants are killing everybody.
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And I think that you're a fucking psychopath.
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And weird rays from Antarctica.
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Split hurricanes.
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Exactly.
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Shout out to my boy Hamamoto.
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Nice work.
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No, I saw that.
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He's back.
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He's solid.
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He's not allowed on Alex's show, but he's back on back with a vengeance by Brad.
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Damn it.
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I love him.
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Hey, you lost your tenure at UC Davis.
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Congratulations.
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That means you get to be on the war room.
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Can't talk to Alex anymore, but you still got a place.
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Hamamoto, my baby.
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Call me Hamamoto.
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By the way, Daryl Hamamoto, if you're listening, five three zero, five three zero, neon nip.
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Please hit us up.
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We want you.
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I want to talk to you so bad.
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It's just such a I I want to live in a world where we can have a conversation and we don't
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live in that world.
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And we have to accept that.
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I think we will.
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We may we may live in that world, but that is going to require defeat.
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That is going to require not compromise, not not it, not coexistence.
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That is going to require a defeat of the right.
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This is where we get into another half hour of conversation, because I don't you and I
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have never done that.
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I don't I don't think it does.
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And I think that what you're expressing is dangerously close to the stuff that's in.
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I mean, I don't think it requires a snuffing out of the right in order for us to come to
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a place again of mutual respect.
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That's not what I'm saying.
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It requires a diffusing of propaganda, because what has happened to the right is a case study
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in propaganda run amok.
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Yeah.
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Well, you know, everyone wants to say, because a lot of people sell books based on this,
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that it's the Russia has done that to the right or whatever.
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That's irrelevant.
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I know that's irrelevant.
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It is a propaganda effort that has happened to the right.
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Who cares what the source of it is?
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There is a radicalization that has happened that is not been seen in my lifetime for sure.
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This is not something that is normal in any way.
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But it can be undone by wrestling with that propaganda in a humanistic way.
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I am I apologize if that wasn't made clear.
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I'm not talking about a defeat of the right.
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Like I'm not talking about a defeat of the of like that concept of like lower taxes,
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higher taxes.
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I'm talking about a defeat of the world that we live in and where that is the right.
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And I don't I don't mean I yeah, exactly.
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I don't mean a defeat of these people.
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I mean, a realistic.
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This is not acceptable.
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And we all agree on it.
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Yeah.
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And that is going to require like what it is.
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What did it take for slavery not to be OK?
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It's going to require, you know, from which is not saying I want to start a civil war.
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It's me saying like that does require an unmitigated defeat.
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Don't worry about the war.
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It's not really about protectionism.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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All right.
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That was about taxes.
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Yeah.
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That's states rights.
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States rights.
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It's it's it's a it's a legitimate reality in order that it needs to be summarily dismissed
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as a whole to the point where the people who are susceptible to this propaganda have to
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accept for 30 years until they start building Confederate monuments again in order to make
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sure that, you know, it's going to require that.
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But it also requires humility from people on the left as well.
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Like I don't think that they're the mainstream left, but there is a propaganda version of
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the left that exists and some of the commitment to the left instead of this like commitment
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to the status quo.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And especially a commitment to the non middle left.
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Yeah.
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So the middle left, which is really just right.
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Exactly.
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Again, we retired this, but Anders Breivik.
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And Alex Jones.
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Go fuck yourselves.
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Yeah, I agree with that, but I also think that's.
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So obvious.
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Anyway, we have a Web site, Janet.
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We have a Web site, knowledge.com.
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Indeed.
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You can follow us on Twitter.
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We're on Facebook.
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Facebook.
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Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant, which is a great group where a lot of fun
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memes happen.
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And I don't know, it is great.
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We're on iTunes.
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It's really fun.
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Regardless of my who's on that group, I'm not I'm not on Facebook anymore.
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I still like to take a look at the group every now and again, it makes me feel good.
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Sonia from Sweden.
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Sonia from Sweden.
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We've come a long way.
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But thank you so much for this suggestion of this episode, because I think there is
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a lot of edification that we've been able to get to through the dark, awful elements
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of it.
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Sonia, I cannot help but thank you and I will resent you until the end of my days.
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Also, please email to make sure, because I believe I mailed you a button.
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She got it.
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Did she get it?
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I believe I got I got confirmation.
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No shit.
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Sonia, thank you so much for getting that button.
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And also, if you've made it this far, thank you very much.
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But also, if you have a time travel episode that you want us to do, forget about any message
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you've ever sent me in the past.
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I need a new message.
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Please send me a message.
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We will do that.
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I just need everything to come back to center because I've lost a couple of messages.
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I've lost track of some stuff.
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Please hit me up again.
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I don't mean to ignore you.
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Please just let me know.
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I want to fulfill everyone's request.
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I'm just shit at this.
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It's important to remember that for one time travel request, Dan has spent the last 48
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hours fighting sleep.
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More than that.
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So just just like, don't don't worry if we don't get there's no ignoring of anybody.
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It's that Dan is fucking serious about research and that I've also that'll fuck him up.
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But I've dropped the ball on a couple of requests that have come in and I've forgotten about
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and I feel fucking terrible about it and I need a reminder.
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So please, please remind me.
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Now.
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Yeah.
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That one where you called a time out in the Cavs game and David Blatt and you were like,
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maybe you need to call a time out, but you didn't have any time outs left and then LeBron
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overturned you.
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But the refs didn't see it and he fired a fucking buzzer beater that was against the
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rules and Derrick Rose was still great at the time.
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Anyway, I am a Bulls fan.
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Derrick Rose is a monster, but that I agree with anyway.
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No argument.
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You know what?
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He's a monster.
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But while we're talking about monsters, it's only right that I remind you that Alex Jones
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probably killed a dude.
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Cindy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
