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Andy and Kansas.
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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding us.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first-time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your room.
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Knowledge fight.
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I love you.
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Hey, everybody.
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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're good little dudes.
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Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene,
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and talk a little bit about the past, present,
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and future of Alex Jones.
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I like it.
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Like, like a Christmas carol, but for Alex Jones.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Wrangle chains.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah, totally.
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Warnings from ghosts.
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Indeed, that is what we do.
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We're a lot like ghosts.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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I guess.
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Hi, Dan.
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I have very little proof that I'm alive.
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Yeah, can't prove it.
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As with ghosts.
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Right.
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Hey, Jordan.
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How will...
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Let me ask you a question.
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What's your bright spot today?
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My bright spot today, I told you about this before the show,
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but it's Dynasty Warriors.
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I had no idea that there were Dynasty Warriors games
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available for the Switch.
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Yeah.
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But I found one accidentally.
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I've not played a Dynasty Warriors game since the PS2 era,
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I believe.
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It's been quite a while.
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That's good times.
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Maybe a decade or so.
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Is that how fun?
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As you brought up Hyrule Warriors.
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Yeah.
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It's not quite the same.
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It's not the same.
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And so I started playing a little bit of Dynasty Warriors 8.
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And it's fun.
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It's good stuff.
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Good stuff.
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Yeah.
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So that's a bright spot.
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Yeah, that's wonderful.
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Yep.
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But my bright spot is so about 30 years ago.
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Oh, boy.
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Godspeed You Black Emperor recorded a demo tape
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of which 33 copies were made.
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Oh, I believe this is an Illuminati.
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I believe it's the number, right?
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A couple of days ago, the first time it was put onto YouTube.
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First time in 30 years.
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Nobody even thought this thing even existed anymore.
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And we have a full hour of Godspeed You Black Emperor
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that was only put on 33 cassette tape, Stan.
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That's pretty wild.
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That's wild.
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Yeah.
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It's crazy.
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Do they want it to be out?
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It's not their business.
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It is, though.
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It is.
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I think.
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That's a very interesting thing as a document of a demo tape that they put out.
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But I don't know.
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Maybe they would want people not to hear it.
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Yeah.
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It's not necessarily meant for public consumption.
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Well, yeah, it was.
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It was released as a demo on 33 copies of tape.
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But it was for the execs to get a record deal.
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What do you think they would do?
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Like, not put it out?
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I don't know.
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Yeah, well.
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I'm grasping straws.
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It's super cool.
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It's really good.
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And especially because it's in 1990 fucking four or whatever.
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And you listen to it now and they're not fully formed as Godspeed yet,
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but it's just blowing you away.
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Just like, what?
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This is 94.
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Still as relevant today as it was then.
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Is it?
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I don't know.
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I haven't heard it.
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You tell me.
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Well, that's great.
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I'm glad you can have that to enjoy.
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It's really cool.
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So, Jordan, today we're gonna put Alex in timeout for the last episode.
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Good.
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That was enough for a while.
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Disgusting monster.
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And so I decided what might be relevant to do is we got the midterms coming up.
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That's true.
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And so I thought maybe we should take a look at something from the midterms in 2014.
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See where Alex's head was at during that period of time.
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Pre-Trump.
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Right.
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And it just so happens that...
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It's a pre-Trump rapture, if you will.
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Yes.
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It just so happens that the day of the election, the midterm election, November 4th, 2014,
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Alex's guest is the most important person in the world, Tucker Carlson.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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God damn.
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So I thought it would be interesting to look at the dynamics of the midterm election in
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2014 and also see how Alex related to the most important person in the world before
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he was the most important person in the world.
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This is like a 33-year-old Godspeed You Black Emperor tape is what we're listening to.
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This is a demo.
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Yeah, this is a demo.
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For the modern racist fascism that they're disseminating.
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Yeah, and so we'll get into that, but first, Jordan, let's say hello to some new wonks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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So first, Tony from Akron is a damn cryptid shaman.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Next, Colin at Castles in Space.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Next, I hope my neighbors enjoy hearing Jordan's laugh as much as I do because I play this
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podcast on my Bluetooth soundbar.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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But also, this podcast should be something you listen to in private.
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It's shameful.
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Headphones.
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Headphones.
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Noise canceling.
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No proof.
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Next, Tim at Mount Weird, who prepped more for that deposition than Daria.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, I haven't physically murdered or stomped out guts either.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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And finally, we got a technocrat in the mix, so thank you.
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And hello, Delaware Aaron.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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I have risen above my enemies.
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I might quit tomorrow, actually.
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I'm just going to take a little break down.
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A little breaky for me.
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And then we're going to come back.
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And I'm going to start the show over.
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But I'm the devil.
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I got to be taken over here.
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I'm in all this.
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Blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Fuck you.
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Fuck you.
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I got plenty of words for you.
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But at the end of the day, fuck you and your new world order.
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And fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.
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Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
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I mean, maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
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Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
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That's really what I want to do.
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I never want to come back here again.
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I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having
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breakdowns on air.
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I'll be better tomorrow.
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Who knows about tomorrow, but let's see if Alex was better in the past.
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Let's find out 2014.
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I like it.
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Uh, he wasn't.
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But here is an out of context drop from today's show.
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And have you ever had your do any show and I've had mine just a little bit.
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Just a little bit.
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What?
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Just a tiny bit of identity theft, man.
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Just a touch.
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Did you know that a lot of people call themselves Alex?
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That's a tiny bit of identity theft.
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Yeah, I never really thought about identity theft as like a thing of an amount.
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Yeah, it was just kind of thought like, wow, people have got your private information.
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They've got six of my social security numbers.
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I'm really playing with thin ice now.
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I feel like it's less of like a little bit of identity theft and they did a little bit
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with it.
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Right, right, right.
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Yeah, they bought gas one time.
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So we start here on the fourth and, you know, you can see a little bit of the same sort
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of conversation that Alex has around a lot of elections here.
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Coming up today in election coverage, this is the big day, the midterms, 2014.
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What Drudge tweeted three years ago, 2014 is everything.
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And I absolutely agree with him.
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And now we're seeing how important it is as a major political realignment.
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It's always the most important thing and it's a political realignment.
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Every single time there's political realignment happening.
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And I think that on like a sort of who gives a shit level.
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Yeah.
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That's accurate.
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Yeah.
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But he's trying to over grandiose things a little bit.
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Right.
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And I think that this is actually probably something that, you know, both parties are
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a little bit guilty of.
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Yeah.
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You hear, you hear, you know, some conversation.
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But again, I think I've brought this up before.
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It's, it's sensible to say that every election is the most important one.
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Right.
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Because it's the one you can impact.
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Right.
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Past elections, there might have been more important, like things on the, on the electoral
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Sure, sure, sure.
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But you can't do anything about it now.
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No.
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You can in the present one.
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I mean, it's like, what's the point of me being, hey Dan, look, this isn't the most
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important election.
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The most important election was 1860.
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Uh huh.
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That helps you, right?
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Puts things in perspective.
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It disempowers you a little bit.
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Yes, it does.
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Because yeah, the most important election should be the one which you have an ability
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to impact.
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Right.
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So, I mean, it's just kind of trite, but it's, you know, Alex is there too.
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I have yet to live through an election where both parties have been like, man, I'm going
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to be honest with you.
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Not much going on this year.
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This one's a seed.
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It's one, it's really, we're staying the course.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So Alex has destroyed Obama, uh, basically.
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Already?
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Yep.
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Him and his buddies have taken him down as a political god.
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After two presidential elections.
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But look, there's still some things that you got to be worried about.
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We have effectively shot down the political god they were trying to create in Barack
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Obama, but they will simply give us new gods for old.
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That's why it's important to hold the Republican's feet to the fire coming out of this election
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because they probably will get the Senate.
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Washington Post is saying 90% chance.
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That's what most of their analysts are saying right now.
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But don't forget the secret weapon.
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That's the illegal alien voters.
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Ah, yes.
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Constantly.
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The secret weapon.
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Yep.
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This apparently is something you can track to every election.
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Right.
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Alex throws this out there.
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So yeah.
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We're, I mean, you know, that's actually something that's almost been kind of nice about the
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2020 rewriting narrative.
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It hasn't been illegal immigrants who have the right's boogeyman this time.
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Some of it is.
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It was all of us.
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Well, it is all of us, but that is also the quote unquote immigrant voting illegally thing
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is still part of the storyline.
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Totally, that's true.
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That you get from Alex and his ilk.
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Um, and it especially was before the sort of narrative solidified a little bit more
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right in the post-election.
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That's true.
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Um, but yeah, you can see there's like, oh, this is fairly boilerplate, a bit standard.
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Yeah.
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Now this episode gets racist really fast.
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How quick?
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You might've smelled a little bit of it, uh, coming in with the illegal stuff.
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What?
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Um, but man, I was not ready.
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I came into this just looking for election coverage and Tucker Carlson.
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I did not expect for Alex to go so hard so fast.
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Oh, is he going to play that clip of Joe Rogan saying the N word a bunch?
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He's not, he's not.
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He's going to do his own little version.
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I got to tell you, I go around Austin and other areas of Texas.
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I actually don't mind seeing diverse crowds of people.
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I think it's interesting except it's so overwhelming and it's so much faster than it was before.
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And it's clearly organized and illegal.
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I walked into a Walgreens at about eight o'clock last night and it was like something out of
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an international airport in Bangladesh.
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There were people in Arab dress, Indian dress.
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There were folks obviously from Africa not speaking English and the people at the front
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counter barely spoke English and there were people clearly from Mexico in there and it
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just a total by design flooding of the country with illegals.
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I feel like that's a really good encapsulation of Alex's delusional position about integration.
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He pretends that he has no problem with non-white people existing in the spaces around him,
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but at the same time, if he sees a few minorities in a store, he decides without any proof that
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they're all here illegally and it's part of an effort to flood the country.
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I mean it's overwhelming to see more than one non-white person anywhere.
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Right.
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It's crazy.
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This feature of Alex's racism operates very similarly to his story about getting terrified
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about seeing a couple of Muslim women in a pool supply shop.
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Alex sees non-white people or people of other cultures that he's hostile to living in spaces
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that he's decided are for white people and it bothers him.
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You can hear this being expressed in the way he's saying that there were just
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too many minorities at this Walgreens that he went to as if to imply that he's a good
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tolerant white person who will put up with one non-white person being at the pharmacy,
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but there's a line.
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If there are three non-white people there at the same time, that's evidence of a fucking invasion.
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Obviously.
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Alex has literally zero information about these people that he sees at Walgreens other
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than that he can tell that they're not white and maybe he can hear them speaking in languages
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other than English.
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From that he determines that they're not supposed to be in the country and that they're
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present as part of a conspiracy against white people in America.
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That's sick shit and it's something that Alex is perfectly comfortable expressing as
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if he's making a legitimate point about some political position that he has that's sincere.
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He has no information about the citizenship status of any of these people.
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He has no information about whether or not they're immigrants.
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He has no information about whether or not they even can or want to vote.
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The only information he's operating on is that they're not white and being around
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multiple non-white people makes Alex's white identity and the power that he feels entitled
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to because of that identity feel threatened.
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Yeah.
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Honestly, Alex is a way worse person now than he seemed to be in 2014, but this articulation
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of this deeply entrenched racism is something that it's probably more explicit than he
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gets into today.
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Yeah, you know, it is nice that the one single ideal of America that is unimpeachably great,
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the idea that anyone can come here and make themselves a life, is the thing that they
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hate more than anything else.
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Well, it's so bizarre the way that they'll hold on to the image of that.
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Oh, totally.
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It's a free country.
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Priority, yeah, and it's like, isn't that what makes us so great?
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But also, if there are a bunch of minorities around, non-white people, then I think there's
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something up.
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I think it's a conspiracy.
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Okay, here's, fine, fine, here's my new rule.
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No Walgreens can have anything less than an exactly demographic representation of America.
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If there are more than 60% white people, the Walgreens closes down.
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What about CVS?
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That's fine.
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They're racist.
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Who cares?
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I feel like implementing of your system would be incredibly challenging.
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It would be difficult.
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And I imagine you'd get some pushback from Alex on that, too.
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Maybe.
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There would be a lot more non-white people in his Walgreens, that's for sure.
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This guy sucks.
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This was weird to hear so fast.
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Why?
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What?
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And the story is so trite, like, it means nothing.
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His experience is just that there was no fight, there was no conflict or anything.
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It was just his experiencing of what he determined to be too many non-white people existing in
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a space that he thought there should be more white people in.
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That's all that happened.
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Man, that's all that happened.
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Because if you just go there and you see...
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That's what would blow my mind, is seeing all of those people from everywhere in the
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fucking world in the same place, knowing that if I flew anywhere, if I flew to any country
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in the world, I would see an infinitely more homogenous place in that Walgreens than I
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would here.
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That's the amazing thing.
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Not anywhere, obviously.
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The great melting pot that is Walgreens.
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That's what I'm saying.
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That's the coolest shit.
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Sure.
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Not to Alex.
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No, absolutely.
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It's awful.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, Alex weaves from this into maybe white supremacist talking points.
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Yeah, well.
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And the headline today is law enforcement defines elections as referendum, says Obama's
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amnesty means tidal wave of illegal immigration.
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Listen, here's the deal.
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The Democrats are talking about a revolution.
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The Democrats are talking about tearing the country apart if they're not given total amnesty.
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And Illinois is trying to pass a law that's unanimously passed out of the Senate and passed
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out of the House to let foreigners vote.
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If you can get here, you just can vote.
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Do you understand that they can bring in an unlimited group and then have them vote as
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political clients for tax money they're given to do whatever the Democrats want?
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And the Republicans are bought and paid for by the same globalist interest.
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And they're going along with all this.
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This is premeditated.
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If India had the equivalent of hundreds of millions of people being brought in because
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they're more populous, it would be the similar equation.
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They bring in 40, 50 million or 300 million.
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Well, India's a billion, so you bring in a couple hundred million.
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Imagine bringing in a couple hundred million people, say from China, and then just saying
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you can vote and end in elections.
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Indians would burn their cities to the ground.
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And quite frankly, that's a normal instinct because you're being usurped, you're being
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conquered, you're being taken over.
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No one would put up with stuff like this.
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I'm not speaking hyperbolically when I say that this is some storm front shit.
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Yeah.
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These talking points are the stuff of white supremacist message boards, and it relies
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on the same underpinnings as the great replacement conspiracy theories that have inspired mass
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murderers like Brendan Tarrant and Patrick Crusius.
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This is 2014, Alex, long before he had any connection to the Trump community, and back
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when he was trying to pretend that he was above the left-right paradigm.
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The game was always to present yourself as being against both parties, to trick people
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into thinking that you're in the middle, while in reality you're just trying to lure unsuspecting,
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politically disillusioned people towards the extreme right and opinions like this.
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This is the game.
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You know, maybe we've gotten it wrong.
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Maybe he has always been above the left.
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Maybe he has always been above the left-right paradigm.
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Interesting slip of the tongue there.
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But he's been below the white-non-white paradigm for too long.
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Yeah, I mean, I guess you could say that he is above the left-right paradigm in as much
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as he exists nowhere near it.
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What's the point of politics whenever all I really want to deal with is how racist I
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am?
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Yeah, and I still want to give that racism the thin veneer of politics.
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Well, it needs to have the power of the state to really have a lot of power behind you.
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But also, I should say that I'm really against the state.
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I'm against the state.
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I'm way off of it.
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I would like to use its power to inflict harm.
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Small government until it can be used to enforce my white nationalist ideologies.
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Yeah, I want small boots until I'm wearing them, and then I want big boots on your throat.
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Exactly.
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So I was listening to this November 4th episode, and I got really, really curious around this
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point.
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Because Alex is insisting that the media has done him dirty, right?
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There's a story in Raw Story.
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There's an article there that Alex takes issue with the headline.
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And this really got my ears up.
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OK.
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Yes, if you tune in for the first time, this show sounds crazy.
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We're not crazy.
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Reality's crazy.
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Before I get into election news, look at this Raw Story.
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Basically, White House-connected disinfo platform.
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Alex Jones, Obama put out a green light, close quote, for, close quote, groups of black youths,
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close quote, to kidnap white women.
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Wait, what?
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That is not what I said.
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See, when you read something like that with quotes after each word, that's a straw man.
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That's not what I said.
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I said Obama and MSNBC created a racial climate where there's a green light to go out and
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attack white people, just like there was a green light before it was decried and prosecuted
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for whites to go out, groups of gangs, and attack black people.
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And I said black gangs all over the US attacking white people, it's a well-known phenomenon
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all over local news around the country, is the equivalent of people that, well, I'm not
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a criminal, but I do go roll, you know, gays, they use another word, and then because you
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don't like someone, you go and two black guys, two white guys, whatever the case is, it's
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done in all cultures, go beat up some guys coming out of a gay bar that look like they're
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physically weak.
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That's predator activity.
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But it's okay because they're gay, so you're allowed to physically attack them.
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No, you're not.
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So it's wrong when the Klan does it.
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Wait.
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It's wrong when people go out and roll queers is what it's called.
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What?
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And it's wrong when blacks go out and attack whites, and here's the deal, there is a green
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light and no one dare politically correct, talk about it nationally, but everybody knows.
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Okay, okay, so I'm confused.
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I'm, I'm wildly confused.
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I think that I just have to leave a bit of that rambling to the side.
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I guess.
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Because I don't think we're going to be able to parse it out.
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I think he's just saying that there are people in all groups who like to beat up people in
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other groups for predator ass behaviors.
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Sure, sure.
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Whatever.
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I am more interested in this Raw Story headline and seeing just how accurate or inaccurate
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it is because I am always curious about like Alex being misinterpreted or people covering
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him in the wrong way.
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Yeah.
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So Alex is mad about this article in Raw Story, which allows me to figure out what episode
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the actual comments that they're covering were made in, so I can go back and I can figure
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out and see if Alex is right or if Raw Story is right.
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Yeah.
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Did this headline actually mischaracterize Alex's words or is he just engaging in a stupid
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racist backpedaling spin designed to justify his bigotry and malign anybody who would seek
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to call it out?
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This has to do with stuff that Alex said apparently according to Raw Story on the previous day's
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episode, and here's what we will need to assess specifically.
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Alex has taken issue with the Raw Story headline, quote, Alex Jones, Obama put out a green light
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for groups of black youths to kidnap white women.
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In the headline, to put out a green light and groups of black youths are the things
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that are in quotation marks.
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So it's Alex's contention that this headline is somehow a Frankenstein mishmash of his
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words being used to mischaracterize what he said.
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So this was saying that it was on Monday's episode because this episode is on Tuesday.
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Yeah.
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So according to Raw Story, we go back to Monday and we check it out.
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We can find out.
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What did he say?
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Yeah.
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Let's see him.
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So Alex doesn't get into this sort of commentary immediately.
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So I was like, well, I might as well pull some clips of things that are interesting
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along the way.
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Sure, why not?
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Where's Ear?
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Here's one that's really stupid.
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I have a policy of truth to rip off the name of a popular Depeche Mode song.
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I really try to tell the truth and if I don't want to hurt somebody's feelings, I just try
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to shut up.
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I want to be truthful to myself.
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I don't want to be delusional.
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One thing I've noticed is that most losers that I've known in my life fantasize about
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how they're successful and fantasize about how their competition is failing and will
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make things up.
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They will sit right there to your face, do something, and then deny they did it instead
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of just owning up to it.
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And when you lie like that, it doesn't just infect the general culture.
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It infects your brain.
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You start believing your own bull.
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Man, I don't even have to roast Alex.
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I can just sit back and let his past self do it.
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I'm going to light myself on fire.
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I can't listen to him say that.
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I can't do it.
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It hurts me physically.
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Yeah.
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To hear him say the things that I would very casually say to his face.
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Yeah, it's like, it's like, look, Alex, I would love to dunk on you, but I have brought
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your past self to do it for you.
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Absolutely.
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For me.
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Good God.
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Like, I can't count the number of times he's yelled about how, like, the world leaders
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listen to him every because it's the most important analysis of world issues and Brian
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Stelter has no viewers and CNN is failing.
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So there's one hallmark of being a loser.
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There you go.
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And then, I mean, the other big hallmark of a loser is, like, you know, you do something
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and then you lie directly to people's faces that you didn't do that thing and you refuse
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to take responsibility.
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And, like, let's just think about how he engaged with Rogan.
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What?
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Are you telling me that this clip is of him saying that people lie rather than engage
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with the thing that they did?
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Right.
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Okay.
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And then on tomorrow's episode, he's going to engage with the story about a thing that
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he did.
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Maybe.
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We don't know.
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We don't know yet.
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I'm telling you that I'm going through this to assess whether or not the raw story headline
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is accurate.
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Right.
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But even taking that aside, like, the way he lied to Rogan's face about what he said
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about Sandy Hook is a classic hallmark of a loser, according to Alex.
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He is a loser, yeah.
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If you want to stay in the Sandy Hook department, those depositions weren't him being truthful
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and taking responsibility.
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Didn't go well.
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I just...
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It's remarkable to hear things that I think are actually fairly accurate.
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I think it is loser-ish behavior to self-aggrandize and minimize your enemies in sort of fantasy
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world behaviors.
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And I do think it's also kind of loser-ish to not own up to past mistakes and deal with
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yourself realistically.
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Absolutely.
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Coherently put as well.
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Totally.
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Yeah.
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It's just that Alex, he indicts himself.
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It could not be more an indictment of yourself than to coherently put forth an argument that
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you are a loser.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Alex takes some calls on this November 3rd show, and this guy had a really interesting
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idea.
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And if you listen to this, you can tell that Alex loves and respects the institution of
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voting.
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Yes.
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Like he thinks that this is a sacred act.
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It's the most important part of democracy.
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Totally.
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Participation.
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Alex, I want to suggest a write-in campaign.
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You know, any race where somebody runs unopposed or a race where by the latest poll, it's like
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over 3%, one person over another.
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How about people write in something that's like a kind of middle finger to the system
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kind of thing?
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Yeah, write in info wars, and then that'll show up on the news feeds.
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People say, what's that?
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Alex wants to use voting as a publicity stunt.
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Oh, God.
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God damn.
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Yep.
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That's just...
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That's advertising you just can't buy.
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No.
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You can't buy that.
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You can't.
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You can destroy a country with it.
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And if you did try to buy it, it would be photo fraud.
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It would be illegal.
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Yeah.
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God, so ridiculous.
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He takes another call from a guy.
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And this actually was horrifying.
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So this caller is discussing how he works at an apartment complex in Arizona, and they
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apparently have somehow are part of an intentional plot to bring in refugees and immigrants from
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Lake Liberia because they want to spread Ebola.
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His specific complex in Arizona.
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And the complex, the wider ownership.
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Okay.
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It's like an ownership group.
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Right.
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And they're all trying to bring in, and nefariously bring in people from Liberia and other countries
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in Africa.
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Right.
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And boy, this is bad.
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Let's hear it.
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Tell us specifically what's going on at the apartment complex.
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They've brought in people from Liberia.
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They have a specific classroom here in the office where they bring them in.
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They kind of go over what to say, what kind of paperwork to fill out.
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Liberia, Africa, all these different places where they come in and they literally, they're
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teaching them what to say, what to write.
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Like half these people don't even know how to write their own name on their own.
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Perfect voters.
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And so who's doing this?
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The feds, the CDC, who's doing this?
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The feds, they have to be because every single apartment complex managed by this company
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literally lets nothing but refugees in.
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Now I hear you.
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Say the name of the company.
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It's called Biltmore Properties.
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Give us the name of the apartment complex and we'll send people out there.
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Chandler Village Apartments.
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Well, thank you so much.
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God bless you all.
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Sir, we're gonna put you on hold and get your info.
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I mean, this seems like a lawsuit.
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That seems like something.
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I mean, the kind of behaviors that Alex is in trouble with because of Sandy Hook.
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This is the same behavior.
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It applies.
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I mean, definitely not the exact same thing in terms of like, you know, saying that people
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were actors and the kids didn't die.
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But the behavior of acting in such a way that would lead to targeted harassment of people,
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whether it's the people who live in these apartment complexes, refugee or otherwise,
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or the people who run these apartment complexes, you're putting people at a risk.
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And the ethical implications of having this guy say the name of the apartment complex
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on the air is staggering.
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It's so immoral.
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You've said that on this show that all of these people are immigrants.
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You've said that the owners of your apartment complex are assisting them to do nefarious
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things, whether it's to stealthily bring Ebola to America or to interfere with elections.
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Totally.
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And then you gave the address.
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Yes.
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And Alex is saying we're going to send some people out there.
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Yeah.
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So I fucked up.
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I don't know if I've ever seen Alex do this kind of thing before.
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Or always.
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Yeah, that was the one I was thinking.
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I think it's relevant and worthwhile to point out something like this, because it really
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is a pattern of behavior.
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Whether it's intentionally done to cause intimidation or harassment towards these
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people who he feels are acting in ways that he disagrees with, or if it's just a lack
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of concern for the well-being of people who will be targeted and harassed by his broadcast.
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Either way, the results are awful.
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Yeah.
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And creating it as a pattern also makes it a feedback loop where the more you tell people
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to go, we're going to send people out there, the more people are going to call in and say,
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I'm at blah, blah, blah.
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Send people out here.
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I got a hot tip.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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This guy didn't, of his own accord, say the name of the place.
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Alex specifically asked him.
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Yep, yep.
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He could have done that off air if he really was interested in a scoop or wanted to investigate
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this further, he would have kept that off air because the possibility of something happening
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from that is something that most journalistic outlets wouldn't risk.
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No, and I mean, just fuck me.
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The idea of me living in an apartment complex happily, just fine, and not having any idea
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that somebody fucking three, four hallways down the way is calling Alex Jones to give
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them my address.
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To put a bounty.
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Yeah, that's no good.
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That makes me feel very uncomfortable.
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Yeah.
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It's not best practices.
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No, that's not good.
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So the comments that Alex made about black folks getting a green light to attack white
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people that are alleged in this Raw Story article, they are in response to Ben Stein.
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He went on Fox News and said that Obama was the most racist president in history.
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Yeah, that was an interesting question on Ben Stein's money, too.
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Who's the most racist president in history?
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And then, yeah, Jimmy Kimmel was like, ah, that's so funny.
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Or was this after Sarah Silverman took over?
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Oh, I don't remember that era.
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She took over for Jimmy Kimmel after a number of seasons.
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That's so funny.
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Um, I think Cousin Sal might have might have filled in a couple of times.
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Sure.
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Why not?
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I was just thinking about this.
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I saw that clip of Adam Carolla on Sean Hannity.
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Yeah.
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It's just so staggering the different directions that Kimmel and Carolla took.
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I mean, it could not be more like the dichotomy of our future.
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Like when I was growing up, the idea that if somebody just sat me down while I was watching
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The Man Show and been like, one of these will be good for you and one will be poison.
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You know, like one of these guys will host a late night show and have some socially responsible
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positions that he puts out and isn't a dick.
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Right.
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The other one will be an annoying monster.
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Just a real tragedy of a void where humanity once was.
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You would have thought they both would have gone that route, honestly.
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You know, right?
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You're on The Man Show.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's the...
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But that's what I'm saying.
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That's the dichotomy.
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And then who took over The Man Show?
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Rogan.
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God, we're all fucked.
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Yeah.
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Men shouldn't be allowed anywhere near...
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Wasn't it Rogan and Doug Stanhope took it over?
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I know who Stanhope was.
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Yeah, the other one was Rogan.
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No shit.
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Yeah.
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Fun.
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Everything comes full circle, baby.
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Everybody who works in TV is wrong and should be fired.
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So anyway, Ben Stein made these comments and that's what precipitated Alex's alleged commentary.
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Yes.
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And so on this episode from the third, Alex brings up Ben Stein,
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but he doesn't say the things that Raw's story was saying.
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It was a quote on Fox News over the weekend about Obama being the most racist president in history.
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I don't know if I totally agree with that statement.
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He's been the biggest...
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It was Ben Stein that said it.
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He's been one of the biggest race bait pushers ever.
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So I listened to this whole episode and after I got all the way through,
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I realized that Raw's story had done me dirty.
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Oh no, it wasn't the right episode.
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But I also had listened to patches of it twice because I was like, did I fucking miss something?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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What happened is on the website, in this Raw's story article,
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they explicitly say that Alex came out and said these things on Monday.
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So I found the show from Monday and I went and I listened to it.
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What they actually meant is that Alex posted this video on YouTube on Monday,
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but it was from his Sunday show.
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God damn it!
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So now we got to start over.
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We got to play this again from the top.
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God damn it.
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Because now I feel like I'm deeply committed to figuring out whether or not Raw's story
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is taking about a context.
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And so now I went and I listened to the Sunday show.
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This is the problem with doing episodes in the past,
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is you can't even email somebody to complain about it anymore.
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Yeah, I don't need to issue a correction for Raw's story.
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I want it. I want one.
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So now we go to the Sunday episode and I think that we're
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like, we're a little bit more in the ballpark.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Ben Stein has come out on Fox News and called Obama the most racist president in history.
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And I tend to agree with that because all the bad things that our founding fathers did
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This is the day before!
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Was done in their time when in Africa and in Asia and in the Middle East,
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no one was saying slavery was wrong.
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Everybody at that point.
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So now we have Alex agreeing with Ben Stein instead of saying like,
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I don't know if I agree with him, but whatever.
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I think his argument here is really dumb.
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Oh, yeah.
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You can just leave that aside, though.
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Yeah.
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Even if slavery was fine in the United States because everyone else was doing it,
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we still should talk about it and try and undo the societal impact
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that it had on black people in America.
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The issue of blame is irrelevant, and it's a distraction at this point.
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It's really a matter of recognizing the generations of stolen wealth,
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the generations of denied access to many parts of the market and the economy,
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and how these things have affected communities to this day.
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And what we can do to address these problems moving forward
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to make a more equitable society.
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Alex keeps the conversation on the level of slavery wasn't that bad
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if you look at the world at the time,
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because it keeps people distracted from the real reason
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that many of these conversations linger into the present,
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and that is these generational deprivations.
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Sure.
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And I, but I mean, that fucking, fuck you.
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Fuck you.
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Not you.
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Not you specifically.
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Whoa.
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Just because I got the episode wrong?
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Yes!
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And also fuck Raw Story.
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They're getting it both ways.
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Sure.
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No.
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Yes.
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People were saying slavery was bad back then.
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People have been saying slavery is bad since we had slavery.
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Sure.
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That we are living in a world where it's fine for Alex to just put that out there.
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And then for us to just be like, well, it was socially accepted at the time,
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as opposed to rewriting our entire understanding of history to be like,
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this motherfucker said it was bad in 1700s.
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Why haven't we focused on him?
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I think you make a good point, and I'm glad you brought that up.
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Sorry.
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Because I think that is definitely true.
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But I even think that if you leave it aside,
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No, no, for sure.
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his argument still is as faulty as Alex.
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Oh, it's incredibly stupid.
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But yeah, yeah, definitely.
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It's, it's...
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I mean, I don't, I mean...
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There's a reason he makes this kind of an argument, though.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And there's a reason that we still have a...
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Maybe it has something to do with the fact
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that he's really scared of seeing multiple minorities in a store.
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And that's part of why our history is built around the idea that
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it was fine at the time, you know?
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Like everybody agreed it was fine at the time,
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so we don't need to focus on the people who said it wasn't.
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You could say, maybe putting this more accurately,
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there wasn't the societal capital or the political will
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to do something about how wrong it was then.
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Right, right, right.
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About how it was horrifically evil even then.
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Yeah.
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If people, and this is the simplest way to do it,
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if people took pages out of their Bible to give to slaves
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so the slaves didn't understand that the Bible said it was cool
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to kill your slave masters, then you knew it was wrong.
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There's, it's, it implies intent.
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Yeah, yeah!
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Mens rea is there.
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Yeah.
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So Alex doesn't just talk race nonsense on this episode.
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He also gets into one of his favorite sources of stuff.
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I just kept this clip in because I thought it was just dumb.
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It's so hardcore, ladies and gentlemen, what's going on.
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It's so horrible.
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But if we would just wake up to it,
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we could turn it around so quickly.
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I don't get up here and say these wild things to be sensational.
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I say them because it's true.
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They're building a world where we're not part of it.
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They're phasing humans out.
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It was announced in 1999 in the April issue of Wired magazine
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by Bill Joy, a billionaire,
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who went to a private globalist conference of 200 top tech owners.
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Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Apple.
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And they had a meeting and decided after two days
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that the plan was to bring in the world government
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and reduce population down to almost zero.
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They said, do we just let people play games all day?
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You know, fantasy games, World of Warcraft,
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and Second Life, and hurt the earth?
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Dynasty-worthy.
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People don't matter.
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Do we basically phase them out?
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And the consensus was phase you out.
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And Bill Joy wrote a cover story warning you.
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The decision had been made.
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This is just really fascinating to me
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because it's the way Alex is trying to rationalize that,
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like, I don't come up here and say crazy stuff.
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It's been announced.
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Yeah.
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Like, that Bill Joy Wired article is available online.
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You can find it.
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It doesn't say any of this stuff.
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We've talked about it many times.
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Many, many times.
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Many, many times.
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And in case there are new listeners,
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just the brief version of this is
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that there is a passage in that article
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where Bill Joy is quoting the Unabomber.
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Yeah.
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And this is the stuff that Alex has taken
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to be the consensus of all of these billionaires.
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Right, right, right.
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Everybody's like, oh, the Unabomber.
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He nailed it.
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And even that passage from the Unabomber
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isn't accurate to what Alex is saying.
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But that's the announcement that the global elites
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have decided they're going to kill everybody off.
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No, they warned you.
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So stupid.
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Yeah.
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So now we get back to overt racism.
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And oh boy, Alex is really bent out of shape
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about downtown Austin, apparently.
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Wow, there's more than one non-white person there.
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I have been to Austin a number of times.
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Like I've mentioned, my parents live there.
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Yeah.
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And I've been downtown, 6th Street.
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Yeah.
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I think maybe it's more annoying than anything else.
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Like, you know, it's pretty loud.
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There's a lot of people partying on weekends in particular.
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Do you mean there aren't a bunch of themed gangs
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of different races attacking white people,
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like the Warriors?
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There is a bunch of people dressed up
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in like baseball uniforms.
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Right, naturally.
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That was scary as hell.
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That's not cool.
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All I wanted was a voodoo donut and this guy
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in a catcher's mitt.
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There are so many goddamn roller skaters attacking me.
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Mm-hmm.
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There's a weird guy with bottles on his fingers.
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Alex, come out to play.
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Yeah, it's more, in the case of this episode,
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it's Anthony Gucci.
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Arnie, come out.
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Anyway, we'll get to it.
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All right.
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And all the big banks openly lobbied to take our guns
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and bring in this tyranny.
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They want us fighting with each other over what color we are.
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I went and ate at a nice restaurant Wednesday night
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on East 6th Street, a gentrified area,
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and had somebody try to mug us.
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Basically said, give me money.
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I'm real mad and bowed up.
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And I just said, listen, we're not going to give you money.
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And it was a black guy doing it to us.
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And then one of my crew members went out.
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That story's so true.
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Saturday almost got mugged downtown by people
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pulled out knives that were going to kill your whitey.
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I don't hate black people because there's
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a bunch of racist black people out attacking whites.
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But see, the media won't cover it
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because it's political correctness.
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What?
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And they show the energization of black folks with hatred.
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They believe it's OK to go out and attack whites.
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You can't even go into downtown Austin, basically,
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anywhere.
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I want to warn everybody.
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You just go out.
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You will deal with black people.
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Deal with black who crush Klan people, basically.
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Vanil parasites turned to viruses.
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Infect the iron poison population.
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OK.
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We just heard a lot of vanil parasite talking.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, downtown's not safe for whites.
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You know, it's always fun whenever Alex tries to, like,
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insist that he's not being racist in the middle
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of committing a rhetorical hate crime.
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Yeah.
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I mean, the thing that the situations
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that he's describing are not necessarily
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things that I would describe as hate crimes, per se.
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No.
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You know, some guy asking him for money.
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I think that the real issue is that Alex just
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he shouldn't live in a city.
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Yeah.
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I don't think he's able to engage with and navigate
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the things that come with living in a city, which is,
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unfortunately, there is some structural shortcomings.
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People are panhandling.
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Right.
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That happens.
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Yeah.
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And if you take any time someone comes up and asks for money
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as, like, an attempt to mug you, I think that you're going to,
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you should just live on a farm.
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Yeah.
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Or you could go hog wild and really get a lot of groundswell
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behind the idea of taking money away from the cops
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and giving it to the people who are panhandling, you know?
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Giving it to people who need it.
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Social safety nets, housing.
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Yeah.
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Do that whole thing.
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If you don't want people on the streets, man,
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there are two ways to solve it.
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Kill everyone or help people.
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Or go live in the country.
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Yeah.
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Stop living in Austin.
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Stop living in a city if you can't
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deal with the dynamics and things that
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happen when you live in a city.
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One out of every four people he sees
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is a race-baiting globalist supervillain.
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So yeah, you can't live in a city.
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And these other stories are a little bit vague for me
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to really operate on.
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So we go on, and apparently, man, there's
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just a rash of gangs going around downtown.
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I told some friends.
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I said, listen, so many people are getting mugged.
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I said, somebody better be packing heat
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if we go eat anywhere downtown, even in supposedly nice areas.
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And the friends I went out with Wednesday night laughed at me.
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And I said, listen, I'm a news hound.
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I cover the news.
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Not once, but twice, we were approached by black males.
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Once, the person got a little bit aggressive.
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The second time, extremely aggressive, bowed up
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and said, basically, you better give me money.
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And one of the women began yelling at him, so he, he.
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And then I said some choice words, friendly way.
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I just said, listen, you better move on.
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What?
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And it was a big guy, OK?
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Now, this is happening all over the country.
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You hear about the knockout game?
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So I guess I'm glad that Alex didn't pack heat,
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might have committed a murder.
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Yeah, I'm glad I didn't hear about the knockout game again.
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Oh, yeah, sure.
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It's always fun whenever you.
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I feel like that has certainly dropped
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in terms of the priorities for right wing commentators
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in 2022.
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It seems like it's almost like they just make these things up
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when they're bored.
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Yep, and panics catch on.
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Yeah, why not?
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Just call them, call them witches.
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Fuck it.
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So Alex had this experience that I
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think he's overdramatizing just a little bit.
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Oh.
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But then Anthony Gucciardi, one of his employees.
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The gooch.
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The gooch, he's one of these guys
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who exists in the space of helping Dr. Group sell
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his supplements and stuff.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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He has this sort of health vibe in the Info Wars space.
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He'd only shown up fairly recently in 2014,
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and his tenure was not very long.
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He's not around the Info Wars parts anymore.
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But apparently, he ran into some folks downtown,
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and they tried to kidnap his girlfriend.
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Oh.
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And then Anthony Gucciardi was out.
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He told me about it Saturday.
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He was actually out Friday night.
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He went to a restaurant.
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He comes out.
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He's walking to where his car is parked,
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and six black males come over to him, pull a knife out,
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and basically say, give us your woman.
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She is an attractive lady, his girlfriend,
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or we're going to stab you.
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And they kept just menacing him and then saying,
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you're not going to do anything.
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And there were police about 100 yards away,
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but they didn't see it, and began punching him.
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He has bruises on him.
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And then he just said, yes, you're right.
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You win.
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You're wonderful.
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And they didn't stab him to death.
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So I just have to give an advice to everyone
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listening in Austin, Texas.
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You cannot go anywhere downtown, except for the police patrol
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heavily, around the W and other areas, anywhere on 2nd Street
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down, 6th Street, I-35, anywhere into East Austin
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where they gentrified it.
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It is a war zone of mugging and robbery.
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That is outrageous.
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So we still don't know where Gucciardi's girlfriend is
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in this story.
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Well, see, but that's the thing.
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Like, I don't really believe this story necessarily,
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not Gucciardi.
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No.
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I don't know if Gucciardi's lying to Alex
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or if Alex is lying about it.
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I don't know.
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But it does raise some questions.
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And that is that his girlfriend should have
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been kidnapped then, right?
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Yeah, I think she's still gone.
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The choice was, give us your girlfriend,
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or we will stab you.
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And he didn't get stabbed.
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And he said, OK, you all are right.
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Yes.
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So that seems to imply that they took his girlfriend.
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But that seems like a story that Alex would lead with.
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I mean, that's probably the biggest story
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that I could think of for his purposes.
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Six dudes stole my employee's girlfriend.
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It seems to me that this story is nonsense.
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Yeah.
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Because of the non-kidnapping and non-stabbing.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Maybe Anthony Gucciardi got into a fight.
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Also, that's the type of shit that happens in movies.
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What are you talking about?
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Yeah.
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What are you talking about?
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Six men come up to you with one knife, right?
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Again, they don't need the knife.
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There's six of them.
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They can beat you to death in a heartbeat.
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True.
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If that's what they want to do.
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You don't need a knife to add.
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Well, it's interesting that you say that there's six.
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Yeah.
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Because that number might be a little bit fluid.
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See, that's kind of what I was thinking.
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He was saying six every time at six.
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Yeah.
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You wouldn't catch me dead downtown after 10.
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It's so dangerous.
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So most of the muggings and racial attacks happen.
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And it's racial.
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It's racial that you're not going
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to hear Jesse Jackson or any of the white liberals talk
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about it.
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Let's play this Ben Stein clip from Fox News
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where he says Obama's the most racist president that's
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ever been.
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Hey, I know this.
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He sure promotes it.
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And there's sure been this green light put out
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that being white is inherently evil or even Hispanic.
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Now, I notice it's not rednecks getting attacked.
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Everybody knows they're packing heat.
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And this is becoming a real problem, folks.
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Let's go to the club.
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All right, I'm satisfied with my curiosity.
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I mean, didn't he get attacked?
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So rednecks, yeah, never mind.
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And he's a noted gun-haver.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So I think the Raw Story headline is absolutely accurate.
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Alex spent about 20 minutes rambling
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about how a bunch of imagined racial attacks
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he and his friends had suffered in downtown Austin happened.
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And then in introducing this Ben Stein clip,
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he says that Obama greenlit and encouraged this kind of shit.
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The headline itself has to do with a kidnapping.
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And the story about Anthony Gucciardi's girlfriend
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was 100% an attempted kidnapping based on the way
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that Alex tells the story.
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But I'll say that there's one thing that I have to put out
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in total fairness to Alex.
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It's super, super clear that Alex
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is trying to drum up feelings of fear about black men
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in his overwhelmingly white audience.
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But if you go super strictly on details,
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there's one way he can still make a point
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against the Raw Story article.
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Their headline is, quote, Alex Jones,
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Obama put out a green light for groups of black youths
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to kidnap white women.
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And if you listen to his telling of the situation
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with Gucciardi, there isn't any reason
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to conclude that his girlfriend is white.
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A better headline would have encapsulated
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Alex's very overt racism, but not specified
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the unspecified race of Gucciardi's girlfriend.
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From Alex's story, all we know is that she's very attractive.
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But we don't know that she's white.
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Haven't gone through all this.
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I'm going to say that the Raw Story headline is actually
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overly fair to Alex.
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His comments are racist as hell.
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And the placement of quotation marks
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don't really have anything to do with anything.
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No.
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But I'm satisfied now.
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So let's go back to November 4th and Election Day.
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And when I said the number of people in this Gucciardi story
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was a little bit fluid, here's what I mean.
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This is from November 4th now.
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Yes, it's true that Anthony Gucciardi
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had eight black guys pull a knife on him
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and start grabbing his girlfriend
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and calling him racial names.
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Eight men, one knife.
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In downtown Austin.
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And it happened to me last Wednesday night on East 6,
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going to eat dinner because they got some great restaurants
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over there.
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And a big black guy comes up to me and goes,
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I need money right now.
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I've got to have it.
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You understand that?
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Give it to me.
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And I was like, whoa.
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And then we just stood there and they just stomped off.
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What a great story.
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This is going on.
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Just like in places like Vider, Texas,
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where the black person goes to the town,
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they get drugged behind a car.
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It's wrong.
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It's wrong.
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But what it is is it's criminals who
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are rationalizing doing what they're doing because you're
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black, you're white, you're gay.
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And that's what I said in my speech, not what you twisted
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and put in this article.
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And that's why you people don't have any credibility.
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It's why folks don't listen to you.
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It's why the so-called left is falling apart,
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because you're not the left, OK?
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You're a bunch of racial dividers, OK?
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So this is absurd, and it's not meant to make sense.
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Alex has weirdly added two more black guys
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to the story about Anthony Gucciardi,
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but also pay really close attention
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to the comparison he's making about racial issues.
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On the one hand, he has some guy coming up to him
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and maybe aggressively asking for money
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and then walking off with no real need
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for aggression or violence.
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Alex just didn't respond, and he says the guy stomped off.
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Alex has imagined that this was done because the guy was black
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and Alex was white, but there's no proof of this outside
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of Alex's imagination.
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It's very possible, and perhaps even likely,
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that this guy aggressively asked a black person
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for money that same night.
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There's nothing except for Alex's imagination
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that makes this a racially motivated thing,
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and I'm not entirely sure what the reality
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with the Gucciardi story is, because it's secondhand,
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and the details keep on a-changin'.
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Yeah, it does seem like he has now
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been attacked by the fucking Fellowship of the Ring.
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So this is being compared to racists
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dragging a black man to death behind their truck.
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Alex is referring to the 1998 murder,
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or you could call it even a lynching by truck,
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of James Byrd Jr.
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The three men who carried out that act,
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John William King, Lawrence Russell Brewer,
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and Sean Allen Berry, picked up Byrd when he was hitchhiking
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and then mercilessly beat him and dragged him
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for over three miles behind their truck.
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Before the killing, they defecated and urinated on him.
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After killing this man in one of the most disgusting
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and horrific ways possible, they left his body
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in front of the cemetery of a black church
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and then went to a cookout.
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The killers were members and associates of white supremacist
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groups and their motives were abundantly clear.
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They had like Nazi tattoos and shit.
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Two of them got the death penalty and have been executed.
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The third got life in prison for cooperating
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with the investigation.
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In 2011, when one of them was on the eve of his execution,
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he told the news, quote, as far as any regrets,
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no, I have no regrets.
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No, I'd do it all over again to tell you the truth.
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Even through all that, the victim's family
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tried to spare him the death penalty.
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Of course.
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This is what Alex is comparing his experience to.
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Some guy yelled at Alex that he wanted money
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and then Alex stood there and the guy left.
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That's as much of a violation to Alex
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as what happened to James Byrd Jr.
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I guess Gucciardi's story is more severe
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with the threats about kidnapping,
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but you'll notice that even though Gucciardi
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was super outnumbered, he didn't get stabbed
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and his girlfriend wasn't kidnapped,
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if that story happened at all.
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Yeah.
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There's absolutely no doubt that Byrd's murder
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was racially motivated.
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That was an act that is very clear.
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The stories Alex is telling may be real
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if I'm being generous, but there's no indication
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that they were racially motivated crimes.
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If a black person mugs a white person,
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that wasn't necessarily done because of racial animus,
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but when three white supremacists
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drag a black man to death because he's black
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and then they say that's why they did it,
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it's a racially motivated crime.
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The blurring of this line is an important part
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of Alex's political project,
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which is rooted in white identity.
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He's a flagrant racist and deserves, if anything,
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far more shit than he gets on that front.
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And there is something very specifically intentional
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about this trying to compare horrific,
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very clearly racially motivated crimes
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against black people to something like
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what Alex experienced.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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That is not necessarily racially motivated
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because the equivocation is patently offensive.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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And getting the audience to equate the two
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is an embedding of racism in their minds.
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I mean, it serves the dual purpose of
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inflating his victim status
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and deflating the victim status of,
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I mean, the victims of his ilk, you know?
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Yeah, and it just happens so flippantly.
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That comparison is something that's just something
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how he understands these dynamics and it's terrifying.
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Absolutely no wrestling with the reality
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of being dragged behind a car.
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Or why or who or how or, yeah.
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Well, congratulations, Alex.
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Way to go.
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I think, if anything, the Raw Story folks
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took you out of context in the opposite direction
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that you're climbing.
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It's absurd to me how often he seems to be fucking
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handled with kid gloves by publications
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that should fuck in both barrels at him.
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I think a large part of that is it's really unpleasant
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to listen to his show and I think that most people
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would rather not do it.
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You know, I think another part of it,
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I was just thinking about this recently.
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I think another part of it is when I was thinking
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about describing, oh, this is what Alex said on his show.
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If I really put that into a headline
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of something that we talk about on a daily basis
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that's totally normal to us, it would sound fake as shit.
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It would sound like I was making it up.
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And I think that's part of the,
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I don't know if it was fully intentional,
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but that's part of the reason that our episodes
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are just a date.
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As the title and the description of the episode
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is never really all that laid out,
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all the details of stuff.
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Because I don't even want to engage with that possibility.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean, what are you gonna,
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Alex, famous Christian zealot says that
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we are energy beings vibrating between multiple dimensions
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and that is how we'll accelerate our growth
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to the next plane.
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What are you, who's gonna write that?
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I don't know if anyone should.
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Exactly.
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So yeah, Alex is a disgusting racist.
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And we remember,
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cause I accidentally listened to Monday's episode.
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We remember that Alex was doing that coverage
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of the apartment complex.
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Now listen to a report he has on Tuesday.
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Obama's amnesty means tidal wave of illegal immigration.
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They've printed 60 million green cards
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for after the election.
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They've already opened the borders.
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They're just going to certify it all.
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The government's got the organization facilities
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at thousands of apartment complexes,
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organizing it, preparing from all over the world.
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So yeah, he doesn't have anything to back that up on.
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It's just a clearly a reference to the call
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that he got from the day before
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that he's integrated now into his factual based reporting.
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I mean, I would be, I would bet,
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I would bet pretty confidently that the United States
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hasn't printed 60 million green cards in its existence.
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Hmm, that's an interesting question.
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Maybe.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I don't know, but they had them ready to go
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for after the election.
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For after the election.
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Man, it was crazy how that worked out too.
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Yeah, so Alex has this sort of racist idea about,
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you know, you bring in all these immigrants
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and then they will all vote for a Democrat stuff,
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which is an assumption that's faulty on its face even.
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Like it's a dumb way to engage with the voting dynamics.
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There's no reason to assume that immigrants who come in
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will automatically vote for Democrats.
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Other than if you're assuming
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that your own party would never help them.
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True.
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The real assumption there is
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we're never going to do anything for immigrants.
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I think that there's a projection of that perhaps.
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But you know, he believes that you're gonna end up
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in a situation where there's actually
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just strict democracy.
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And when you have democracy,
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51 people voting to murder 49.
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The tyranny of the majority.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And in sort of defending his racist ideas
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about what'll happen to our voting,
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he ends up talking about Greek democracy.
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And he unfortunately ends up working my side of the street.
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Oh no, get out.
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No, Alex, run, run!
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You just keep talking about Latin America
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because that's the majority.
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Oh no, Asia, Eastern Europe, Russia, the Middle East,
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Africa, it's just a flood.
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An absolute flood and then huge government
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trough or mammaries, milkies, with taxpayer money.
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What?
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Milkies.
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Milkies?
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Don't say that.
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Mama, milkies.
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It's a total robbery, two wolves in a sheet,
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voting on what's for dinner.
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The problem with pure democracy is in Greece
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they had pure democracy in some of the city states
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and they would have one bucket of black rocks
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and one bucket of white rocks.
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And then the establishment higher class order
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was allowed to vote.
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You'd be voted into their club.
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That was the first democracy, it's more like an oligarchy.
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And they would call them up and they would say,
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yeah, we think this philosopher has been rude to us.
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We're going to have a vote on throwing him off the cliff.
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Or sometimes we're going to make him drink hemlock.
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These are real cases.
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And then they would vote and they'd say,
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yep, there are 10 more black rocks
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than there are white rocks.
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So we do not vote to kill you.
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Oh, there are seven more white rocks than there are black rocks.
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Those are a yes vote.
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We're going to throw you off the cliff.
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Guards, march him up to that thousand foot parapet
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and throw him off.
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So Alex doesn't really have a good grasp
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on what Greek democracy looked like
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in the era he's talking about.
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Just to give a preemptive caveat,
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Greece at the time was a bunch of different city states
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and many of them operated quite differently.
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So what I'm going to get into isn't a representation
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of the picture of actual like panhellenic politics.
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Also, just to leave aside this thing,
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I mean, spoiler alert, he's just talking about Athens,
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but also there's also an important fact
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that women and enslaved persons couldn't vote.
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And sometimes this inability to vote
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would be passed on generationally.
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Great.
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And sometimes inability to vote
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had to do with debt that you had.
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Good stuff.
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So, you know.
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Tyranny of the majority.
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Take this with a grain of salt.
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Oh, wait.
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I would almost argue it's a tyranny of the minority.
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So Alex is just talking about Athenian issues here.
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He doesn't have any idea about anything else
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that was going on in any other city state.
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He can tell this because of the use
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of some specific words that he's using
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that are very clear indicators
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of where the ideas are coming from.
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The sentence of being thrown off a cliff
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or drinking poison were means of capital punishment,
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but because Alex uses the term hemlock,
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you can kind of get the picture.
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Yeah, that's where the knowledge begins and ends.
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Athenian democracy was rooted in a system
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of largely independent entities.
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There was the boule, which was a kind of,
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it was a body that included representatives
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from all the tribes in Athens.
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Then there was the ecclesia,
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which was kind of like our Senate
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in the fact that they argued laws.
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Right, so the boule is the globalists.
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Maybe the House of Representatives.
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Okay.
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I mean, that's a bad analogy, but you know.
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I gotcha.
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So they had the ecclesia,
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which is sort of like a legal arguing body.
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And then there was the dikasteria,
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which was the judiciary, more or less.
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In addition to this,
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Athens had a tripartite executive branch
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with three archons forming a council
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that presided over the city-state.
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There was the polymarcos,
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who was in charge of the military issues of the state,
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the eponymous archon, who was the chief legal figure,
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and the basileos, who did a bit of the religious pomp
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in that sort of world.
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These positions were not democratically elected
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as we understand them,
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as they were always members of the aristocracy.
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And there wasn't like a legitimate vote
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that put anyone into the position of being archon.
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If Alex were talking about elections of archons
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as being something that was really just a function
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of the in-crowd and the oligarchy, that would be fair.
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But that's not really true of the broader popular votes
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that would take place within Athenian democracy.
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There were many things that all male, non-slave,
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non-indebted Athenians could vote on
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in just the way that Alex is describing,
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with colored rocks,
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or often broken pieces of pottery called ostraca.
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It is true that there are a lot of things
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like proposed laws that Athenians were allowed to vote on,
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but the specific stuff that Alex is talking about,
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those weren't public votes.
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Like he's very clearly talking about Socrates
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and his trial was carried out by the Dicasteria.
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Like Socrates stood accused of crimes against the state.
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So his trial was a little bit more serious,
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but there were often votes related to ostracism,
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like where someone could end up getting banished
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from the city state by a vote.
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That's where the term ostracism comes from,
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the ostraca, the broken pieces of pottery.
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This was a process though that was initiated
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by the Ecclesia and then voted on
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by all voting eligible public.
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So that might be what Alex is conflating,
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the ability to ostracize someone from the city state
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is being conflated with Socrates's trial,
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where he was sentenced to death.
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I'm being a little bit pedantic,
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but the point is that Alex is using
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this very flawed understanding of Athenian democracy
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to uphold his stupid and racist ideas
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about modern voting and immigration,
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which I think it makes it important
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to talk about a little bit.
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If there's someone with an actual background
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in something from history
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that implicates current day issues,
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it's usually a good idea to consider what they're saying,
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and that's the very thing
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that Alex is trying to hijack here.
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He's trying to pretend that he knows things about history
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that give him a better understanding
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of things happening in the present,
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but everything he's talking about
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is really surface level at best and wrong at worst.
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Yeah, it seems like he's learned
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literally everything from a movie.
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Yeah, or just maybe someone telling him
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a story about Socrates.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's basically like, you know, the kind of-
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Somebody told him a story about Socrates,
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and like, I did read the Republic, didn't I?
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Yeah, or the apology would be the one about the trial.
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Right, right, right, right.
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But like the, yeah, it's kind of like the level
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of knowledge that you get from the Rogan.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
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I got high, I was talking,
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and then I decided to remember that
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for the rest of my life as being true.
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Yeah, yeah, so I think that there's just a bad,
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just a bad grasp of history that Alex is using
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to apply to his own racialized fears.
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And then he just gets even like more messy
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in terms of history.
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March him up to that thousand foot parapet
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and throw him off for corrupting the youth,
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criticizing the government.
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Most of the philosophers that got killed,
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and a large percentage of them did get killed.
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The thinkers was criticizing the state,
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and they would either have you drink hemlock
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or throw you off of a cliff.
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And they would vote on that.
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And that's pure democracy.
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That's why it's the howl of democracy.
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This absolutely isn't true.
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Most philosophers in ancient Greece or Athens,
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because that's what Alex is talking about, weren't killed.
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Alex is just talking about Socrates
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and pretending that he has a larger understanding
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of Greek social politics.
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In college, ancient Greek was one of my minors,
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and one semester was just translating Plato.
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I read the apology in English before, like in high school,
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and I understood the broad strokes of it,
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but translating the original text
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was pretty eye-opening as an experience.
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For one thing, in many English translations,
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it doesn't come across fully how much Socrates
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was absolutely begging them to kill him.
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Not in the sense that he was suicidal,
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but just that he was such a cocky asshole
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that he was showing as much respect for that process
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as Alex does to the depositions we've heard him at.
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Yeah, literally most of it, if I recall correctly,
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was them being like, please, just go away or shut up.
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And he's like, you'll have to kill me.
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And they're like, no, we don't want to.
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Yeah, I mean, notably, one of the suggestions
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that he has for a punishment is like,
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you guys feed me for the rest of my life.
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Exactly, yeah.
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All right, well, we're gonna kill you.
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All right, you're a dick.
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One of the other things that really stood out
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was exactly what dynamics existed
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that were leading to his trial in the first place.
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One of them was obviously the charge
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of corrupting the minds of the youth
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by way of questioning the official
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religious views of the state.
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However, there were other issues.
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For instance, Socrates was super opposed to democracy,
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feeling instead that the ones who knew best
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deserved to rule.
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That theme is carried out in his pupil,
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Plato's text, The Republic.
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So in terms of what Alex is talking about,
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like the opposition to the state,
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it's opposition to the things that Alex
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is pretending he's in favor of.
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Yeah, I was gonna say, Socrates was more like
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the philosopher king style appreciator.
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Certainly through the pen of Plato.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We get that.
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So there's also a political aspect to the trial,
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as Socrates was an associate of a group of oligarchs
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called the Thirty Tyrants.
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These dudes were pieces of shit,
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and they presided over the killing
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of between five to 10% of the Athenian population
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in a very short rule that they had
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that was less than a year.
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Jesus.
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There was an uprising that took them out of power
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in 403 BC, and four years later
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is when Socrates was tried and sentenced to drink hemlock.
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One of the Thirty Tyrants was Critias,
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an associate of Socrates, who is such a friend of his
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that one of Socrates' dialogues is named after him,
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and he appears in at least two others.
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Whether deserved or not, the public was not hot
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on people who were friends with the Thirty
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after their ouster, and that may have played some part
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in the targeting of Socrates for trial.
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Even so, according to the Apology
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and the later dialogue Credo,
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Socrates could totally have not been a dick at trial
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and been given a lighter sentence,
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or he could have escaped to exile.
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People were very willing to not kill him.
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Just go away, just go away.
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Most Greek philosophers weren't killed by the state.
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For instance, Plato and Aristotle
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both died of natural causes.
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Epicurus died of a urinary stone,
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and Heraclitus died from dropsy.
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This is an example of Alex's, one of his favorite tricks,
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and that's that he takes a little piece of trivia
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that he knows about one thing,
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and then he pretends it applies to a broader context,
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and then he presents that as truth to his audience.
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I'm sure it's fun for him,
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and it kind of probably feels like improv,
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but it's just lying.
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The notion that people who were philosophies
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who were thinkers who questioned the state
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were put to death in Athens
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is not really held up by some of the more notable
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and larger philosophers of the time.
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I mean, I was surprised to read
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that they shot Epictetus out of a trebuchet into the sun.
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That was a surprise to me.
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To be fair.
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Because he was pretty cool.
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He was just a stoic dude.
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He consented to that.
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It was a scientific experiment.
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It was pretty cool.
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Archimedes.
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To see if it could be done.
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Now, that's not to say that throughout history
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there haven't been people who were revolutionary thinkers
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that were maligned for their revolutionary thought,
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but the way that Alex is trying to present this
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as it relates to philosophers
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in the city state of Athens is not fair.
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He's just making shit up
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because he knows a little bit about Socrates.
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Totally.
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Which I think is fun.
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Anyway, let's get back to Alex being racist.
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Hooray!
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It's also about a divide and conquer,
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the old Tower of Babel story
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where there were so many nationalities
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from so many countries that moved there,
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none of them could communicate anymore
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and basically things fell apart.
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It's one thing if you're in India
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and it's 95% Indians.
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It's a culture.
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You can adopt it.
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You know what it is.
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You're in China.
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97% are Chinese.
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You can adopt it.
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You can learn to navigate it.
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Or Mexico.
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You go down there,
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97% are Mexican.
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You can get it, get into it.
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I mean, I like other cultures,
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but when it becomes a Star Wars space bar,
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like Walgreens was last night,
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I mean, I walked in this Walgreens
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and it was like,
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dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee,
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dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee,
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dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee.
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I mean, it was like a gallery
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of every country in the world.
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Cool!
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Rounded the corner, you know,
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looking for children's Tylenol
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and getting some bottled water,
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some chapstick.
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Wow, so when there's minorities around,
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it's like the Mos Eisley cantina.
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I mean, first off,
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that was a bar.
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It was great.
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It was also the most wretched den
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of scum and villainy.
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Well, yeah, but it's chill.
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Sure, somebody lost an arm,
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but that's fine.
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That's just a good bar.
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The characterization of it is,
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it's awful.
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It's...
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Yeah, but that's from Obi-Wan's point of view.
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He was a real stick in the mud.
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Fair enough.
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I like that Alex went for the second stanza
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of Figurin' Dan's.
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Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.
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He didn't stop there.
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No? Nope, nope.
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Wow.
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I'm gonna go for that swingin' jizz music, Dan.
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Pretty fucked up.
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Pretty fucked up.
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How is, what kind of insane person is like,
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this Walgreens reminds me of the Mos Eisley cantina.
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Because of how many non-whites are here.
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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Yes, that's an insane person thing.
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Well, I mean, think about it.
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It's so similar to Joe Rogan's comments
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that have come back up again
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of talking about going to see Planet of the Apes
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in a non-white neighborhood.
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Also, we just talked about the Tower of Babel.
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Dan, you're a witch.
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Am I?
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Yeah, we just talked about the Tower of Babel.
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On this episode?
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No, not on this episode.
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On our previous episode.
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Remember how you get into space?
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Oh, yeah, yeah, breaking into space.
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I forgot about that.
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Yeah.
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That's how stupid a world we live in.
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Breaking into space wasn't even a headline.
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No.
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No, no, no.
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Break my glass ceiling.
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That's what it was.
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Yeah, so this is fucked.
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That's insane.
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Yeah.
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That's just insane.
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Especially because, again,
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I have never associated Mos Eisley
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with any kind of racial component.
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I was just like, oh, it's, what?
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And also, that's the cool part of space.
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There's a everywhere,
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everybody's from aliens everywhere.
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That's cool.
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That's what I got excited about when I was a kid.
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Not according to Alex.
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I grew up thinking about how cool it was
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to meet all these aliens.
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It seems also, like, leaving that aside,
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I don't disagree with you,
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but leaving that aside,
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I also think that Alex is largely
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expressing support for ethno states.
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Yes, absolutely.
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He is strictly a, I'm not a white supremacist.
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I'm a white nationalist and a black nationalist
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and a, because race is not a construct, Dan.
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Every group, every race should have their own state
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and that, because if you have two,
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oh God.
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God damn it.
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I don't understand how he can defend himself
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against sort of these accusations of like,
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you are a white nationalist.
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Totally, you want a white nation.
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You want ethno states.
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You got scared because there were
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too many non-white people.
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And what I find really interesting too
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is the distinction between this,
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like, when he was talking about the Muslims
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in the pool supply shop,
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that was just sort of like,
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he doesn't like to see indications
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that Muslim people can actually engage in culture normally,
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just like everybody else.
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That was threatening to him in terms of that,
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the function of integration.
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Wait, integration is possible?
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No!
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That's threatening.
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This is a little different even
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in as much as it's like,
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it's not about seeing a lot of one group.
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It's about seeing...
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A lot of different groups.
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Yeah.
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Individuals of different groups
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congregating together?
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That's wrong.
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That's what's really weird about it is,
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the number of different groups
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is something that in and of itself
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is weird and threatening to him.
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Yeah, no, this would be like...
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That's bizarre.
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This would be legitimately if like,
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in Star Wars,
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Luke walks into the Mos Eisley canteen
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and he's like, segregation now, segregation forever.
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Like, what are you doing?
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Yeah, it's very weird.
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Insane.
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So, this,
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Alex gets a call about voter ID laws.
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Sure.
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And this is fairly interesting.
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I should say that a large portion of this show
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that I just haven't even caught clips of,
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cause it's kind of,
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it almost bores me as a position that Alex has,
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but it's very much in support of voter ID laws.
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Sure.
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Very much like,
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this is how we're going to get rid of voter fraud.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, voter fraud.
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Yeah, and so this call struck me as bizarre.
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I went in and voted today for what good it's worth
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and I live in a little town called Port St. Lucie, Florida,
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just on the East Coast,
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north of West Palm.
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And when I went in there,
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just out of curiosity,
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now don't get me wrong,
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I don't have a problem with the ID thing.
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And I even had my ID up.
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But when I went in there,
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I asked them,
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I said,
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they said,
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okay, we need to see your driver's license.
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I said, okay, can you show me the Florida law
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that says, you know, you have to have it?
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And he says, well,
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I don't know the law,
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but the law is, you know,
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you can't vote here unless you have a photo form of ID.
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My guidelines are,
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and I interrupted him.
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I said, well,
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your guidelines do not supersede our law.
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I said,
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Oh boy.
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That's right, it's important to train everybody
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that you're going to show me the law
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and you're going to be specific about it
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so that these people start learning
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to actually look at the law.
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You're right.
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So now it's defiance against voter ID laws
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is being encouraged.
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Yeah.
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This is weird.
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Well, I mean,
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think about it.
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This,
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really the Walgreens example is so,
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so fucking telling, right?
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Because here's another thing that you could have
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in the Walgreens, right?
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All white people.
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Okay.
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It's all white people in the Walgreens,
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but there's one person from Ireland
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who doesn't speak English.
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He only speaks Gaelic.
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There's one person from Sweden who doesn't speak English,
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but because they all look white
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and if they are not talking,
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Alex will go in there and be like,
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this is not multicultural at all.
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Right.
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And in the same way, the voter ID laws,
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no, no, no, no, no.
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You just look at his face.
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He's white.
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You don't need an ID.
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Right.
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So he's an American.
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I think the assumption is that Alex believes himself
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to be talking to a white collar.
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Yeah.
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And so it's not such a big deal
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that this person needs to be subject to voter ID.
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Absolutely.
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It's weird.
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100% the case.
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But it's so glaring that most of the show
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has been so in support of voter ID laws.
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And then this,
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where this guy is saying like,
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you have to show me the law
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where it says I have to show my ID or whatever.
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It's just absurd.
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Yeah, it's disorienting.
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You're just an absurd person.
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But unsurprisingly,
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immediately after this exchange with this caller,
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the caller gets deeply racist.
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Okay.
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Well, your guidelines do not supersede our law.
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I said, if I wasn't-
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That's right.
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It's important to train everybody
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that you're gonna show me the law
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and you're gonna be specific about it
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so that these people start learning
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to actually look at the law.
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You're right.
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Right.
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And then I said, well,
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if I was a piece of Spanish illegal scum
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that come over here-
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I'm sorry, what?
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Show you ID or anything
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and his jaw kind of dropped.
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Yeah, I'm not surprised.
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Not surprised.
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That's a jaw-droppingly racist thing to yell.
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That is,
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that is like,
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ooh.
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Here you go.
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I'm gonna have you vote on this ballot.
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It's an empty page.
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It's full 16 lines notebook.
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It's gonna be great.
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You get a special ballot.
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You get a real special ballot
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and you just have to go
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to the center of the ocean to catch it.
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Oh my God.
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Wow.
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That is nuts.
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I'm saying that out loud twice.
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Twice.
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And it's totally normal on Alex's show.
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Yeah.
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It's not something that causes him to be like,
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look, I gotta fuck you.
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Did he say something?
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Did he say,
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how dare you?
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Certainly didn't condemn.
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No.
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So mail-in voting comes up,
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which we know that Alex believes
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is the scourge of our electoral system.
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Seemed to have too much of a problem with it in 2014.
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Odd.
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We're talking about the voting thing,
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and up here in Oregon,
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they just send us the ballots in the mail.
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So there is no polling stations
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or any of that kind of stuff.
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I don't know why they don't do that everywhere.
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Well, the Oregon's already kind of taken over
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with the socialist game,
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but what's funny is that then they do some good things.
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There's some sensible things that liberals do
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like GMO labeling and animal welfare, common sense stuff.
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So they get all the compassionate, well-meaning people
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working for their team,
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not knowing they're helping bring down the drawbridge.
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Good to hear from you, Jam.
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Seems very weird.
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I don't know if he is disputing
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what this guy is saying about mail-in voting,
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but he definitely doesn't have
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the same sort of passion behind it.
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No, no.
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And I think that's a function of
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it's not a huge talking point in 2014.
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It's not the right wing's last salvo
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to prove that the election was stolen.
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It's so funny to me how often he's telling on himself
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in the GOP with just that like,
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well, see, they get all the compassionate
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and helpful people.
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And you're like, you realize what you just said, right?
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The inverse of that is you.
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Yes.
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Do you realize that you said
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they get all the compassionate and helpful people?
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And then you, on the GOP,
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you attract the maligning and evil and misanthropic.
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So Alex gets another call
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and it's a guy who sells iodine, just like Alex.
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And I thought this was a really boring call
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until it picks up really, really fast.
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Will and Virginia, what's your take on election 2014?
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A major realignment or just more business as usual?
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And what do you expect the Lord and savior Obama,
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Lord Obama, Lord Ebola,
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what are you expecting him to do after he's a lame duck
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and he's got that pardon power?
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Well, I have two points if I could, Alex.
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I'm a naturopathic doctor in Virginia.
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And I don't know, also in a small company, ZOEDEC,
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we make nanotuber-based products.
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But basically I wanted to say that your X2
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and your DNA force, we've been having amazing results
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with those.
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The DNA force helping with epilepsy patients,
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a couple of them are changing diet and detox in the body,
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but also the X2, just amazing,
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what it's able to do to actually repair the thyroid
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and not only protect it,
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we're seeing young kids reverse their homosexuality
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over a course of six to nine months,
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taking higher doses than you guys recommend.
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So it's great stuff.
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Whoa.
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Whoa.
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Pfft.
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So apparently this naturopathic doctor
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is calling into Alex's show to say that mega dosing
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on X2 has reversed homosexuality.
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Hey doctor, I'm having some problems.
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Can you prescribe me something?
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Well, Alex Jones recommends this.
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It's not a prescription.
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Great, great, great, great, great, great.
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Yeah, this is shit.
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Alex's supplements can reverse homosexuality.
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Now, here's my question.
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Why does it take six to nine months, Dan?
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I don't know.
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What in the chemical needs to take
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that requires six to nine months?
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I don't know.
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What part of the iodine or the zinc
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requires six to nine months to activate?
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I feel like I was just playing this clip
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and I don't think it needs to be discussed or picked apart.
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I think it speaks for itself, quite frankly.
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This is real shit.
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Yeah, that's real fucking shit.
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So here's another clip where Alex is sort of, again,
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condemning his future self.
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This has to do with a headline that he has kept reading
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over the course of the show.
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And that is a comment from an ex-Nixon aide
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who thinks that the GOP would be unwise
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to deal with the Tea Party.
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Now, it's not Roger.
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God damn it.
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It's Jon Huntsman.
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Yeah.
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But Alex does end up saying something
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about the people who worked with Nixon.
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Oh yeah?
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But it's kind of funny in hindsight.
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If the polls hold, 2014 should be a banner year
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for Republicans.
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But Jon Huntsman, Sr., a self-described lifelong Republican
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and former special assistant to President Richard Nixon,
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is looking ahead with concern
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about the grand old party's 2016 prospects.
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The Tea Party has completely captivated
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and ruined the Republican Party.
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Oh, you're scared, aren't you?
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Today, and they'll show this in 2016, says Huntsman,
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author of Barefoot to Billionaire.
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Unless a Jeb Bush comes in or a Jon Huntsman, Jr.,
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the Republicans don't have a grip.
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Please clap.
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Unless your son saves us.
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How disgusting to have one of these Nixonian slimeballs,
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one of these country club Republicans.
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I mean, boy, was Richard Nixon a racist too.
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This whole crowd.
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That's when you got horrible communist, socialist Democrats
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that are racist, and you got all these old racist
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white people that are helping destroy the country.
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I mean, it's just a bunch of scum.
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Yeah, fuck all these people who worked with Nixon.
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Oh my God.
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Now, in a couple years, my best friend
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who will lead my show down a bizarre direction
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is a Nixon guy.
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Who will also turn into an indictment of you
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bitching about what's Obama gonna do with his pardon power?
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Oh, true, true.
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Yeah, that guy has Nixon tattooed on his back.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Enjoy, Alex.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You're looking at his past episodes
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just makes everything that's happened so stupid.
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So stupid. So dumb.
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Makes the whole world really stupid.
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Yeah.
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So now we get to the third hour,
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and that means the most important man in the world
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is about to show up.
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About time.
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I can't believe I've forgotten that he was gonna be
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on the show.
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We did get sidetracked a bit by that Raw Story article.
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Tucker Carlson's coming up with a daily caller.
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Say what you want about Tucker Carlson,
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but I've said good things and bad things over the years.
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He's an interesting guy.
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He's got a great website.
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A lot of good libertarian Americana ideas,
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a lot of breaking news.
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Drudge loves it, obviously.
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He's on there every day.
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Oh, this is before Drudge was a bad guy, apparently,
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or maybe he's a good guy again.
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I'm not sure.
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He hadn't been transformed into the traitorous traitor
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that he is now.
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Yeah, by Hillary.
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Yeah, oh, Hillary.
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So one of the things that I find really fascinating
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about this interview between Alex and Tucker
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is that I think Tucker says some fairly prescient shit,
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but in the wrong way.
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Of course.
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This first clip is, I think, looking back,
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can't really argue with it.
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Well, first, hey, Alex, thanks for having me.
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Second, I think the story over the next two years
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is gonna be chaos.
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There is a lot of movement just beneath the surface
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in American politics, I think in American society,
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I think globally, actually,
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and that's evidence that things are realigning,
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and we're right in the middle of it,
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so it's hard to see, it's hard to step back
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and get perspective on what's happening,
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but the world is gonna look a lot different in two years.
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Our assumptions now that Hillary Clinton
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is gonna run against Jeb Bush,
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I think all of them will be proven wrong in the end
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as people start to move to places politically
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they never thought they would be.
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Really hard to argue with that.
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Wow, goddammit.
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Yeah, the next two years are gonna be chaos.
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People are gonna politically move to places
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that they never imagined they would be.
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Yep.
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Yeah, that's a very correct assessment
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of what happened with Alex, for sure.
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That's also one of my big problems with Tucker Carlson
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is he could not be more aware of how evil he is.
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Sure, sure.
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With Alex, we can always walk
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that stupid be evil continuum,
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and Tucker is clearly a brilliant psychopath.
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Well, there's that, I think it was an interview
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he did with Dave Rubin,
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where he was talking about how he lies.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He's aware of this shit.
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Absolutely.
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He knows what he's doing.
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He knows exactly what he's doing.
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And to your point, I think this next clip
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that I actually think is really prescient too
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is another indication of his awareness
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of what he's doing in the present.
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We saw what Ben Stein on Fox News
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saying he's the most racist president ever.
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I don't know if I agree with that,
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but he certainly has race-baited and used race
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more than any president in recent history.
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Exactly.
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What do you think about that?
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I have no idea what's in his heart.
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I have no idea what his true beliefs are,
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but it's very clear.
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They've made it as clear as it's ever been
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in the last two weeks that they're willing
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to use race to divide the country and get out the vote
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and use racial fears to get their base out to the polls.
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And I think it's effective.
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It works.
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Fear works.
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It works for me, by the way.
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I'm motivated.
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When I'm afraid, it motivates me.
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I think human beings are all that way.
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But in the case of racial division,
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there's a consequence that lasts far beyond election day.
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If you stoke people up along racial lines,
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you get ethnic politics.
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And look around the world, you've traveled.
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Oh, really, Tucker?
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I mean, that's his business model.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But the recognition of being aware of the consequences
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of engaging that way is pretty damning.
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And then also recognizing that he knows
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this is an effective way to do shit.
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I mean, just that, listen, racial politics,
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that's gonna be the thing.
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Cut to.
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Now I'm gonna do a three-part series on George Soros.
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That will not be antisemitic at all.
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Certainly not.
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Nope.
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Yeah, I'm gonna use a video that's selectively edited,
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shot by Harrison Smith to argue that white people
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can't get monoclonal antibodies.
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I mean, just so fucking, just like,
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it really is amazing when you stop and do
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like Tucker Carlson, step back, and you think,
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I am shocked that human beings behave like this.
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Like I can, like you, it's almost like, what?
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Why?
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What are we doing?
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What are we doing that you can be aware
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that you're destroying the world?
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Were there not like real consequences to people's lives,
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I think it would be academically incredibly interesting
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to see why do you do this?
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Yeah, why?
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What is, it can't be money.
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It can't just be money.
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You're killing everyone.
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You're murdering millions of people.
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It can't just be money.
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I mean, he could have, he could have quit at any point
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and been set for the rest of his life.
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Forever.
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He didn't need any of this and he could have been set
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for the rest of his life.
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It seems really bizarre to imagine
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that the primary motivation would be money.
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I believe through the course of this
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and through just awareness of other things
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that Tucker has said in other interviews
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that he's done in the past,
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I think it's, he's a piece of shit.
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I think he's actually a really bad person
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and a lot of the politics that he's expressing now
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are actually things that he believes.
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This white nationalist nonsense that he does on his show,
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I do believe that there's an opportunistic aspect of it
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that is like, hey, it's now okay to do this show.
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For sure, for sure.
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I think that there is that
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and if the tide ever became such that it wasn't appropriate,
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he would change to something else.
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Like he would go.
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Absolutely.
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Like how he was a neo-con supporting the Iraq war
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when these kinds of conversations
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absolutely were not socially acceptable.
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Oh, good God, no.
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And I think he would do that.
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But at the same time, I think deep down
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he's a real racist asshole.
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Yeah, man.
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That's another thing.
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Why is shit the fucking same?
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Like John Stewart just came out and he's like,
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you need to engage with people.
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And the first thought I have is,
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oh, like you famously engaged with Tucker Carlson
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and everybody was like, oh, you destroyed him.
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You kicked his ass.
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You're gonna, he'll never work again.
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And his show got canceled.
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Yeah, he'll never work again.
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And how did that work out?
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Well, I think that there's even other worse examples of.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a shit ton for John Stewart.
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But I think that at its core,
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I think that his advice about that
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or his comments about that, about Rogan
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aren't necessarily like the dumbest thing.
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I just think it's a little bit like.
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They're far dumber, yeah.
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Yeah, it's maybe like,
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ah, that's not gonna really help.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So, hey, you remember on the third, November 3rd,
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we heard a description of what losers do.
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Yes, I do remember that.
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See if you think this sounds like a loser.
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Let's hear it.
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We're seeing kind of libertarian, patriot type,
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paleoconservative sites like drudgereport.com,
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dailycaller.com and others rising in a climate
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of where pretty much all the Democratic Party type sites,
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we see precipitous drops to the point
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they've now rigged Alexa to show our ratings dropping
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while our internal ratings show we're skyrocketing.
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It's almost like one of the hallmarks of being a loser
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is saying that, pretending that all your shit's
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going sky high.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And everybody else is falling apart.
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It seems a lot like a loser would say that.
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Yeah, according to Alex, at least.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So I noticed something and it's really boring.
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That is that most of this interview
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seems to be shitting on the media.
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That's about it.
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That's fair.
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That's a very large piece of it.
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15 years ago, NBC News was a big deal.
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It was respected.
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People expected that they would do diligence
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when they said things.
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Now it's like, yeah, whatever.
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It's MSNBC.
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They're crazy.
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It's the Leon Trotsky channel.
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Nobody cares.
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You know what I mean?
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There really isn't an expectation
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that they're accurate in the first place,
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so it's not as big a deal.
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But then Daily Caller can have millions of visitors every day.
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Infowars.com can have that.
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This talk radio show has conservatively,
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and it's a small show compared to a lot of them,
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3 million people a day.
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You count YouTube.
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Instead of every week, it's like 15 to 18 million people
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tune in or watch.
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And then you look at CNN and others,
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and they're just still, you've been inside there so much.
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Are they really arrogant or is it a front, Tucker?
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Oh, no.
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Oh, the arrogance is bone deep.
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So it really feels weird to listen to this interview
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where these dudes are just talking about how awful
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the mainstream media is.
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Well, they pretend that they don't both have almost comically
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large conflicts of interest on the subject.
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Yeah.
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Alex is someone who will never be invited back on any show
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because he can't control himself and start
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screaming at people whenever he's allowed on any TV show.
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He's a hostile, abusive asshole who ramps up his intensity
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in order to turn an interview into a publicity stunt
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every time.
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It's a tacky and desperate strategy,
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and folks other than Rogan have caught on to that dynamic.
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So Alex has a real chip on his shoulder about the media
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and how no one wants him around.
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On the other side, Tucker seems to be
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pretending that he wasn't let go by both CNN and MSNBC
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prior to his time at Fox.
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At CNN, like you brought up, this disastrous crossfire
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interview with Jon Stewart led to the show being canceled,
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Tucker being publicly humiliated,
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and then CNN deciding not to renew his contract.
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His MSNBC show got canceled for having low ratings
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and got replaced by Rachel Maddow.
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And look, Tucker is a fucking thirsty asshole
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in terms of public approval and attention.
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After MSNBC but before Fox, he went
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on Dancing with the Stars, which isn't something
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that a person who has a legitimate beef and concern
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and disdain for the big media companies,
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that's not what they would do.
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They wouldn't go on Dancing with the Stars.
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No, they'd go on The Masked Singer.
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We all know this.
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Also, he was the first celebrity kicked off that season.
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There's an unspoken reason that these two guys shouldn't
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necessarily be considered the most
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unbiased sources on the media.
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And that's not even considering that they're
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both people who have a deep financial incentive
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to demonize the media.
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Alex's show only really has a reason
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to exist if the media sucks.
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And Tucker's Daily Caller also benefits
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from people becoming disillusioned with actual journalism.
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Overall though, I was pretty surprised to find
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this interview was so much about just bashing the media.
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Like, it's supposed to be election day coverage,
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but instead of, there's a lot of hypothetical coverage
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about how the media's gonna cover things.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I bet they're gonna say this.
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It's really stupid.
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That's great, no, that's compelling radio.
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I find it to be a dud.
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I bet this is how the Democrats are gonna lie.
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A made up thing that I said, and you know what?
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Tomorrow I'm gonna say they did.
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So here we get a little bit of election talk.
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Okay.
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But it also is a little bit racist.
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I think we become political animals
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like I did 20 years ago, like you did 30 years ago,
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for basic survival.
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You either get involved or we will basically
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go into a pure democracy where hordes of illegals
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will vote away our freedoms.
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Well, that appears to be, I mean, there's no,
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I mean, as someone who grew up in California
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and looks back at that state,
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when I grew up in it, I'm not that old,
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that state was the richest out of 50
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and the nicest had great schools,
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excellent infrastructure,
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and it was pretty reasonable politically.
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Now it's a one party state that's literally crumbling
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and has more poverty than any other state.
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Why is that?
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Well, there's only one thing that changed
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and that's the composition of the population
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in California because of immigration.
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Holy shit.
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So here we see even more proto great replacement
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conspiracy talking points just casually thrown out
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by Alex and Tucker.
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Wild.
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As much as it's important to recognize
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how much of a piece of shit Alex is
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and that's the theme of our show more or less,
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Tucker is more than on board with this whole thing
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about immigrants voting away his precious white freedoms.
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As for California being a one party state,
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it's fair to say that the state generally swings
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to the left, but just a few years prior to this,
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the governor of the state was Arnold Schwarzenegger,
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who's a Republican.
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The state is considered a safe bet for Democrats
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in the general presidential election,
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but that wasn't the case in fairly recent history.
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Republicans carried the state in every election
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from 1968 to 1990.
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Elected representatives are mostly Democrats,
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but there's still plenty of Republicans
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in the state assembly as well as the state Senate.
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There are even 10 members of the House of Representatives
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from California who are Republican,
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including the minority leader, Kevin McCarthy.
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The logic just doesn't work to make this
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about immigration either because the exact dynamic
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you see in California where most officials are Democrats,
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but there are a number of Republicans in there too,
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that exists in the reverse in Texas.
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Most elected officials are Republican,
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but there are some Democrats just like California
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and it borders Mexico just like California
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with a bunch of immigrants.
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This legitimately is just white grievance obsession
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being treated as if it's actual politics
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and it's something that Tucker has been on board
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with and arguing in favor of since before Trump was around
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and before he even got a show on Fox.
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I still think Tucker's a fraud, but like I was saying,
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I think he means a lot of this racist shit.
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Oh yeah.
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I do think that, you know, like if he was not,
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it became unacceptable to do his white power hour show
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that he does now.
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Right.
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Like he would go away for a little while
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and he'd repackage like a wrestler who's gimmick
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just decided this isn't gonna work anymore,
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let's try a new character for you.
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And so you do, but underneath,
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I do think that a racist shit would still exist.
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Right, I mean, it would be even more prescient and nice
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for both Alex and Tucker to have just been like,
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and hey, listen, what I believe doesn't matter.
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I'll say whatever.
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And how crazy is the media?
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They're just gonna keep hiring me.
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I've just a name that they're going to hire for no reason.
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I am not that talented.
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I don't have any ability and I'm a terrifying psychopath.
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And Intel fairly recently, Tucker Carlson was most known
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as a punchline who wore a bow tie
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and got humiliated by Jon Stewart.
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Yep.
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I don't understand why he has purchase
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in any kind of job market.
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Well, I mean, traditionally white aristocrats
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Oh, good point. land pretty well.
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Yeah, I guess so.
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Yeah.
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So Alex plays a clip of Obama being actually,
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I think pretty witty and Alex believes that this is Obama
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telling people, hey, you gotta get out there
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and vote multiple times.
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You gotta get out there, just keep voting,
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vote all the time.
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You gotta.
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I wanna play this clip of Obama last week
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where I think he's chanting for people to vote repeatedly,
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but regardless of that's what he's doing,
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that's what's going on.
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Let's play the clip.
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And because early voting runs through this Friday,
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you don't have to wait till election day.
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You can vote all week.
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I mean, you can only vote once.
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It's in Chicago now.
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I'm teasing Chicago, I'm messing with you.
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Yeah, he's messing with us.
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What do you make of that statement?
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And then what do you make of the real world evidence
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of fraud coming up?
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Well, there's an awful lot of fraud
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and a lot of it, amazingly, nobody seems to care about.
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I mean, let me just make the obvious point
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that there is no justification for opposing voter ID laws
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except to abet voter fraud.
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Sorry.
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So Tucker isn't that stupid as to think
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that the only reason you could oppose voter ID laws
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is that you wanna allow voter fraud to take place.
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He's not that dumb.
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That's just cover for his actual position,
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which is that he wants to disenfranchise non-white people
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from their right to vote.
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There have been many studies about how discrimination
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is baked into many of the various voter ID requirements
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that states have implemented.
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One of the main ways this was achieved
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was by making seemingly arbitrary decisions
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about what forms of ID would be considered valid for voting
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with states like North Carolina allowing various types of ID
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that were disproportionately held by white voters
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and not allowing ones that were disproportionately held
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by non-white voters.
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Studies have been done that also have shown
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that voter ID laws are not applied universally
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and have a discriminatory bias in how they're enforced.
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There was a Caltech MIT study done
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about the application of voting laws in New Mexico,
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and they found that Hispanic voters were asked for ID
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more frequently than white voters.
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What?
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Right.
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Tucker understands all this shit,
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but in order to make his position
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socially acceptable to hold,
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he has to pretend that he doesn't understand any of this
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and that voter ID requirements are perfectly fair,
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perfectly effective as a means
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of stopping in-person voter fraud,
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which also basically doesn't ever happen in the real world.
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No, no, no.
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According to the ACLU, between 2000 and 2017, quote,
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there were only 31 credible allegations
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of voter impersonation,
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the only type of fraud that photo IDs could prevent,
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during a period of time
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in which over one billion ballots were cast.
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Right.
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And even these credible allegations
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are often just honest mistakes people made
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as opposed to attempts to actually illegally vote.
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Yeah.
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And this is a non-existent problem
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that Tucker and Alex are trying to solve
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because the solution they're advocating
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actually serves their real agenda,
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which is disenfranchising the voting rights
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of non-white Americans.
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Yeah.
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That's basically the whole song and dance.
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And you can, like,
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if someone were, like, truly dumb
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or uninformed on issues,
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Yeah.
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then I might believe that they've heard somebody say
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Right, right, right.
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that there's no reason to oppose voter ID laws
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except for if you wanna abet voter fraud.
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So let me explain that to you
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and we can have a conversation.
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But Tucker is not that person.
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Nope.
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He's... Nope.
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I know exactly why people would disagree
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with voter ID laws.
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And what they don't know is that
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I'm actually just a racist.
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Yeah.
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They have no idea that what I'm saying isn't true
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and I don't believe it.
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My actor secret is that I'm a racist.
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You see, I am a racist.
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Yeah, it's a little bit transparent.
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Yeah.
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But they make a big mistake
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and they go to calls, Alex and Tucker.
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And the first call that they get,
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I think is a really interesting perspective
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that gets brought up
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and Alex is not happy about it.
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Mary in Pennsylvania,
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you're on the air with Tucker Carlson.
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Go ahead.
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Hey, Alex.
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I have to apologize
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because I wanted to part from the topic of the election
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for a moment
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because there's something that I've always wanted to ask
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of Tucker Carlson.
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And I just wanted to say that the Daily Caller website
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is really an aberration in conservative media
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in terms of the disrespect towards women
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that it has on its website.
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It's essentially an erased to the bottom with the left
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with its policy of contributing to
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over-sexualized atmosphere that we have in our media.
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Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, hold on a minute.
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I mean, are you one of these people
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that thinks they should ban the statue of the sailor
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on the victory over Japan, kissing the woman?
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Because they're banning that everywhere.
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I mean, I mean, I mean, are you joking?
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I don't think anybody accuses the Daily Caller of,
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I think, I think Tucker gets accused
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of being almost too liberal sometimes.
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Now you're saying he's attacking women.
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He is being a man, period, attacking women.
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Wow, Alex was really fast and aggressive
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trying to run cover for Tucker,
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create a bunch of straw men to protect him
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from this caller's criticism.
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Yeah, I heard like four.
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Yeah, it's really fascinating as a thing to see
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like how defensive Alex got and how quickly it went down.
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This caller has a question about the sexism
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at the Daily Caller.
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And in order to protect Tucker's feelings
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and to make sure the audience
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doesn't take this caller's point seriously,
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Alex tries to immediately find a way to distort her point
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into being somehow about how just the existence
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of men is sexist.
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This obviously isn't what she's saying,
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but the goal Alex is shooting for is for her
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to take the bait and respond to this dummy argument
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instead of sticking to her initial point,
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which is threatening to Alex and Tucker's self image.
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You see this kind of thing with Alex all the time
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because his actual positions are mostly indefensible.
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That's why if you wanted to argue about like refugee
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or immigration issues with him,
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he'd just yell back at you something like,
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so you support illegal immigrants coming here
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and killing US citizens.
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It's an attempt to hijack a conversation
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and drive it into territory where he feels more secure
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and where there's no real chance
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of anything productive being discussed.
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The reality is that the Daily Caller is a long
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and pretty noted sexism problem.
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One example of this was in 2013, prior to this episode,
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when Ashley Judd was considering running for the Senate
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and they published an article with the headline quote,
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Ashley Judd, potential US Senate candidate,
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sure has done a lot of onscreen nudity.
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In an attempt to preemptively de-legitimize her
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as a potential candidate, they used Mr. Skin as a resource
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to document the times that she's been nude in movies,
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which is a pretty shitty way for someone to act
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when they're pretending to be a news site.
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No, I mean, there's nothing misogynist about that.
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I'm sure they do it for all the male actors
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who've tried to...
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How many times has Arnold Schwarzenegger
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been shirtless in a movie and he wants to be governor?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Whatever.
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Yeah, how many times has there been a Comedy Central roast
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of a presidential candidate?
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So there are plenty more examples of this
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in the Daily Caller, but I think the actual larger problem
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I would have is Blake Neff, the lead writer
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for Tucker's Fox show, who had to resign after it came out
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that he'd been posting vile racist
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and sexist shit online for years,
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was also a prolific writer at the Daily Caller,
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having almost 2,000 articles on the site with his byline.
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One of them that was particularly shitty
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was from October, 2016,
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and it's described in a Media Matters article like this.
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Quote, Neff described a driver running over
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a group of Native Americans protesting Columbus Day
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as a reenactment of the conquest of America.
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The article ran with a sub headline that read,
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quote, white man overruns indigenous peoples
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with superior technology.
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The Daily Caller is a pile of shit publication
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that produces the exact kind of racist and sexist content
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that Alex wants to see in the world,
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and also has the veneer of like,
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hey, we're kind of joking.
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And so if this caller rightly brings some of this stuff up,
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then it's Alex's job to run interference
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and create straw man arguments
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to try to get this caller off balance.
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You'll notice that Tucker didn't say anything.
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That was all just Alex feeling the need to defend Tucker
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lest they both end up looking bad.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Really, just don't go to calls.
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You know how in like, in trials and shit,
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whenever it turns out like 10 years later
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that the cop who was the witness at your trial
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was a fucking coke dealing corrupt piece of shit,
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and then everybody who was involved with that cop
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has a chance to like relitigate their trial.
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Everything gets reopened.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like that should happen for if your writer
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turns out to be a massive racist.
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Like you have to go back through every article
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he's ever written, put a new headline up there
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that says massive racist wrote this.
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Like it has to be like retroactive,
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like the whole system, you know?
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I think you do have to do
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some pretty hard soul searching.
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If you have somebody who's a flagrant racist
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posting horrible shit online consistently,
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and it turns out he's been writing for you for years,
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he's your lead writer on your TV show,
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and he has over 2,000 articles on your website,
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you really should open the box up
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and see how much that impacted his coverage,
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how much it impacted your show
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that he was the lead writer for,
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but you don't do that because that was part of
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why he worked there.
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Yeah.
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No, no, I mean.
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It's kind of telling on themselves again.
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It's awful that we had to let him go
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because we agree with everything that he's written.
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, but these meddling libs
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end up having to write an article about it.
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Hey, good news is we have no reason to believe
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that Tucker Carlson has agreed with any of his thoughts.
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Mm-hmm, except for a lot of things.
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Well.
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So unfortunately I have bad news,
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and that is that this caller actually has a different point
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than the real argument about sexism at The Daily Caller.
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I was gonna say there's no way
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that we're doing this.
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No, there's no way that we're doing this well.
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No, it's unfortunate because I think that actually
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she has more of a puritanical standpoint
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that she's coming at this with.
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Attacking women.
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Lead article.
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And a slideshow of those sexy girls and whatever.
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Well, what's wrong with that?
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Well, let me just say, hold on,
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let me just say that I, as a man who's been married
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23 years and has three daughters,
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I like women better than men.
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I can say with total sincerity.
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Me too.
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But I also believe that beauty is important,
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and we're not embarrassed to put things that are beautiful,
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not necessarily sexual or debased,
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but things that are beautiful.
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There's nothing wrong with a woman in a swimsuit.
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And look, that's what advertisers have in their ads.
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Ma'am, are you upset when you see a woman
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in a bathing suit on CNN?
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When they're trying to sell products
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and prosecuting women out in that way, of course.
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So I can't quite tell if this was her point
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going off track because of Alex's straw man.
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That's her point to begin with.
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Yeah, but either way, I don't think this is
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a really good way for the point to be made
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about daily caller sexism, which is unfortunate
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because it is a legitimate point that could be brought up
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and is at least sort of raised by this caller
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that just goes off track.
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And then Alex and Tucker are, you know,
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they're shown to be innocent.
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Yeah, I do think this was her original point
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because before she was cut off,
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she started talking about how that this contributes
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as much as the left does
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to the degradation. That's a risk to the bottom.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So I think she is trying to say that
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I'm tired of both the right and the left
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accepting that women have, I mean, I don't know, I guess.
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So Alex has decided that because this caller was critical,
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probably was a false flag.
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Ma'am, I appreciate your call,
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but I'm gonna be honest, I think that was a seminar caller
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and I never say that, but I really do think
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that was just a cheap shot by some writer.
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Well, it was pretty funny.
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But I mean, give me a break.
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You guys have occasional slides on the sides
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of like, you know, a woman on a surfboard or something.
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I mean, I'm just, notice how the left
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is like a cult though.
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Like we're in some weird cult
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and we're about to be burned at the stake
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because you have Marilyn Monroe on your website.
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Well, they're all very uptight.
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I mean, we're happy to do a slideshow
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on the women of the IDF, for example,
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because it's hilarious and it's funny and interesting
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and whatever, and we mean it in a very lighthearted way.
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There's nothing serious or creepy about it at all.
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What is this, like, Maxim?
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I mean, I don't know.
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Look at these sexy apartheid enforcers.
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It's very weird.
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So Tucker has a guy in the Senate that he's a fan of.
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It's not surprising.
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Oh, strong third party.
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The popular senator of the United States,
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there's only one senator right now who's running unopposed
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and that's Jeff Sessions of Alabama.
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And Jeff Sessions is not a good speaker.
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Jeff Sessions is not super charismatic.
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He doesn't pander to people.
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The only reason Jeff Sessions is truly
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the most popular person in the state of Alabama
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is because he's really principled.
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He says exactly what he thinks, he doesn't lie.
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And people like that.
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It's not surprising that Tucker loves Jeff Sessions
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considering he's a huge racist and has a record
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of consistently opposing the Voting Rights Act
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and has open hostility towards non-white voting rights.
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He's such an anti-voting rights asshole
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that when he was nominated for a federal judgeship
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by Reagan in 1986, he was rejected due to concerns
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about his comments on race.
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For instance, he said that quote,
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the NAACP, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference,
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Operation Push, and the National Council of Churches
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were all un-American organizations
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teaching anti-American values.
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He also said that organizations like the NAACP
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quote, forced civil rights down the throats of people,
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or of course is a big zinger as a quote,
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I thought those guys, in reference to the Klan,
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were okay until I learned they smoked pot.
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Sure, Jeff Sessions is an honest and principled man.
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A man who's very honest and principled about his racism
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and opposition to voting rights for non-white people.
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It tracks that Tucker would like to see him
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as the most popular member of Congress.
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Oh boy.
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Fun.
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There's gonna be an uphill battle for that one.
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I'll tell you that right now.
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Yeah, so this interview was bizarre
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because there isn't like a ton of obsequiousness
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on Alex's part.
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There's no indication that this person
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could possibly be the most important person
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in the world someday.
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It's really just shitting on the media.
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Yeah, it does seem to be that they're on
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relatively equal power footings at this point in time.
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Or even Alex probably conceivably
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sees himself a little above.
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Yeah, all he's got is a website.
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Right, and he's a contributor on Fox,
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but he doesn't have his Tucker Tonight or whatever.
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No, he doesn't have his prime fucking show on, yeah.
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I think that that's an interesting dynamic,
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and then just the outrageous amount of racism
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that was flying around prior to Tucker coming on.
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And then even while he's there, he's engaging with it.
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He's getting in the mud with Alex.
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I don't know.
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I found this to be a little bit of an underwhelming episode
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from the standpoint of like learning about the midterms.
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Yeah.
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Is that what we were doing?
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And seeing some kind of a like good dynamic
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between him and Tucker that might tell us something
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about the future.
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I think the only thing that you could take away from this
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as it relates to what you would expect to see in the future
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is that these guys do have a bit of philosophical alignment
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vis-a-vis non-white people shouldn't be voting.
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Shouldn't be voting.
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Right.
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So I guess that is the bedrock of their relationship.
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You could kind of see it that way.
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But we have one last clip here, and Alex
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has another conspiracy theory about that caller who
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is critical of the Daily Caller.
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And I think that woman earlier is mad that two men, you
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and your former college roommate, own it.
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I think that's why they're mad, because all
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the feminist groups don't get mad when they have women
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in bikinis.
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They have a man on something that has a woman on a bikini.
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Tucker Carlson, dailycaller.com, thank you so much for the time.
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Thanks, Alex.
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That was great.
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Thank you.
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Good times.
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So yeah.
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Great.
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Great stuff.
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Sure.
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You know, it sucks.
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It sucks really hard, because it is like,
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god damn it, if people were taking this as seriously
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as it fucking was.
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Because this wasn't new in 2014.
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No.
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It wasn't new in 2008.
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It wasn't new when Reagan did it.
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Like, this is shit that should have been stamped out.
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And instead, every fucking 10 years,
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we just go, well, they haven't killed anybody for a while,
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so let's just let it ride.
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Yeah.
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I mean, when you say stamp it out,
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you're obviously not talking about the people.
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I'm not talking eradicated people, you know.
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Right.
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But the ideological patience that people
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seem to have with a lot of these incredibly intolerant ideas
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that necessarily lead to the things that we see happening.
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I mean, it's absurd.
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It's absurd to.
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It is strange that that patience exists.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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It's crazy.
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And I mean, I don't know why that exists in a larger sense.
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I think with Alex, what I said earlier kind of is relevant,
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and that is that most people who aren't like me necessarily
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don't want to listen to a whole episode of his show.
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Right.
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Well, that's, yeah.
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I mean, there is that.
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And I recognize that that's something that speaks
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to something wrong with me.
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I get that.
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Most people want to live their lives
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and just have a normal existence,
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whereas I want to play Dynasty Warriors and learn
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about Alex's past.
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So I get it.
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And I think that recognizing exactly what is being
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conversed about behind the flimsy arguments about,
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like, well, we really should have voter ID because it'll
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make things more secure, blah, blah, blah.
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That is like, you know, behind that
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is a guy who's saying that too many minorities at Walgreens
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is most easily cantina.
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Right.
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And that Anthony Gucciardi's girlfriend
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was almost kidnapped because Austin downtown
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is a war zone of roaming black gangs.
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Right.
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Yeah, I mean, maybe the simplest explanation
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for why we're so tolerant is because everybody treats
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the right wing as though they're speaking honestly.
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I mean, you can't really go back and look
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at like a presidential debate without being like,
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oh, you just lied.
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And nobody said, you're a fucking liar.
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You're a liar who's lying right now.
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You can't say that.
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So take it back, stop lying, because then they'll
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be like, I'm not lying.
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Prove I'm lying.
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And then it turns into a mess.
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Yeah, I think there's a chance that public trust is eroded
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so much that there's not even the expectation that there's
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sort of an unspoken non-expectation.
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Oh, yeah, you can lie as long as you lie the right way.
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Politicians all lie.
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It's just sort of a standard understanding.
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Ugh, brutal.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I think it sucks.
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But anyway, that's what we learn when we put Alex on timeout.
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We learn that he's a giant racist.
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We reaffirm that this shit runs deep.
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Well, we've got to put Alex on a timeout.
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He's a monster in a certain way.
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Let's go see him be a monster in a different way.
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Guess I've got to put Alex in the past on timeout
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and go back to the present, Matt.
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I don't know what we're going to do.
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We've got to go to the future.
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Oh, if only.
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Oh, that's the shit.
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Well, maybe reset wars.
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Maybe we could do a reset war.
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We've got time.
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Maybe that'll be coming up.
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Anyway, we'll be back.
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But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
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We do have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yeah, we're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at knowledge underscore fight.
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Can I go to bed, Jordan?
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Yep, we'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I'm Daryl Rundis.
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And now, here comes the sex robot.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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