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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, I like to sit around,
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drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan.
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Hey.
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Dan!
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What?
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When was the last time you saw one of the United States have to recount an election
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with ramifications that could possibly affect the world for decades to come?
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Uh, I mean I know 2000 certainly rings out in my memory.
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I don't know if there were probably-
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What state was that?
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Florida.
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Oh no, it seems like it's coming around the bend one more time.
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Wasn't there a situation like that in Ohio in 2004?
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Oh yeah, you're right, there was.
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Wasn't there a similar kind of thing?
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I don't think it would have turned,
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or no actually yeah, that would have turned the election.
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2000 really comes to mind, and it's actually interesting that you bring that up because
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one of the people who was involved on the ground there in Florida during the 2000 election was
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Roger Stone, InfoWars correspondent Roger Stone.
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Correspondent putting it way too softly.
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Important thing to remember, after the recount was officially finished, Gore won.
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Yeah, see I know-
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Gore won!
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I know that Roger Stone was involved because this is a podcast where I know a lot about
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Alex Jones and InfoWars.
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And I don't know anything about Alex Jones and InfoWars.
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Today we've got a very unconventional episode to give to people,
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and I have a lot of reasons for that.
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Okay.
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One of the reasons is a big announcement that we haven't told the people yet,
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and that is that I am deeply ensconced in my lab working on the research for the Obama
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Deception documentary coverage that we will be releasing the week of Thanksgiving.
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Hell yeah.
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Because we are thankful to our donors and everyone who supports us over the week of
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Thanksgiving, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
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We are shoehorning that thing, we're shoehorning the whole Thanksgiving thing in there.
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Yep.
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Why not?
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You know how we observe Thanksgiving.
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Love it, love turkey.
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Oh, I love it.
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So it's been a lot of research, and I know that I referenced on the show that a lot of
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people have done debunkings of the Obama Deception already, so I thought my workload would be light.
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Uh-uh, no.
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There is way more than a lot of these sites captured.
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I know that a lot of them actually got some things wrong.
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Oh, Christ.
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So it's been a ton of chasing down threads.
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I know that I told you during the endgame coverage that I found 130 specific factual
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problems with what Alex Jones said in the endgame documentary.
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Right.
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I lost count.
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Last time you gave me an update, it was roughly 204 or something like that?
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I lost count about an hour and 10 minutes into the documentary.
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I just don't even care what the actual number is.
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It's absurd.
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Almost everything isn't true.
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But some things are really fun.
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There's a lot of fun information that I found out that everyone get very excited for that.
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I appreciate it, and it's a thrill.
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So the reason that that is involved in this being a very unconventional episode is that,
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you know, generally on Mondays, we like to do a deep dive into 2009, see what was going
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on with the beginning of the Tea Party and shit.
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Absolutely.
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But it turns out a lot of the things that are going on in 2009 are things that may come
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up in the Obama deceptions.
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Ah, so...
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Not to say that Alex didn't know about the Mayak report when he made the Obama deception.
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So a lot of the stuff we've been talking about already, not necessarily in there.
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But it'd be very hard for me to stop myself from spoiling a lot of Obama deception coverage
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if we did 2009.
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So I got to put that on hold until after Thanksgiving week.
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So 2009 is out.
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So I decided, what the fuck?
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Let's do a wacky Wednesday episode on Monday.
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What?!
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So I said to myself, it's dirty pool.
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I quit.
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We're not going to do it.
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I am out.
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But I realized like, hey, it's been a long time.
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Sound of a door slamming.
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It's been a long time since we looked in on Jim Baker.
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It has been a long time since we looked in on Jim Baker.
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So I went and checked into Jim Baker, and I just watched an entire hour of him talking
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about the migrant caravan.
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And I'm like, nope, no.
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How is he talking about the migrant caravan?
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He's terrified of it.
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Why is this even happening?
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It's nuts.
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I don't know.
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Isn't he supposed to be a God-centered show?
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See, that was one of the things that really, really struck me wrong about the whole idea
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that he's...
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He's just doing flat out propaganda for Trump now?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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He's not even bothering?
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I mean, the whole idea of Jesus had to do with like helping the downtrodden and all that
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stuff.
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Not in my Bible, Dan.
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Yeah, it seemed very off-brand for Christianity.
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Hey, you know, I'm sure there were never any situations in the Bible where there was a
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migrant caravan and people were judged for not taking the men.
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Yeah, it was weird.
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And so I'm like, I don't want to talk about this.
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This isn't going to be fun, because it wasn't fun at all.
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So I'm like, all right, Jim Baker's out.
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So I was like, all right, let's go back to Friday, last Friday's episode.
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Let's do a modern day episode.
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I remember that that last one that we went over was reasonably painless for me to listen
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to.
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Yeah.
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I was very capricious in making that announcement.
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This show sucks.
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He just had a pretty decent day.
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Maybe he was tired.
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I don't know.
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I just can't get up the racism today.
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It was really rough, because he's talking about the recounts that are going on in like
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Georgia and Florida.
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I bet he thinks they're a scam or a cheat.
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He does, and he's also like, we got Roger Stone, who was involved in the 2000 recount.
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Not a point of pride.
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You said that George Bush stole the election in 2000.
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Now you have Roger Stone, one of the guys who was a part of that.
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And you're like, it was a good thing that he did that.
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What are you doing?
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It's so confusing.
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I just like, I don't want to do that either.
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It's just my head is all over.
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Oh, the other thing, too, is that a lot of his stuff is about how Paul Joseph Watson
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put out that video that was altered of Jim Acosta.
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Oh my God.
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And he's all...
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Is he crowing about how great they are over that?
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Oh, absolutely.
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He's like, Trump defended us.
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How great.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And he's like, it wasn't altered.
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Like, it was.
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They've shown, they've demonstrated that it absolutely was.
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And even Kellyanne Conway went on...
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It wasn't altered.
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It was sped up.
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That is definitely not the definition of altering the video.
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And we took the video and we made a change to it.
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We didn't alter it, Dan.
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What kind of idiot would call that that?
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It's a mess.
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It's a real mess.
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These people are brazen.
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And especially for Alex, someone who brings up Orwell all the time.
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Right.
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Double speak.
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Right.
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Everyone believes whatever they want to believe, Dan.
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Objective reality has died.
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Let us all live in this new world.
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Objective reality has died.
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Long live objective reality.
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Sure.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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At the end of all of these options, all these roads that I went down, I found myself unsatisfied
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and none of them were what I wanted to do.
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And honestly, what I want to do more than anything is understand Alex Jones more fully.
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And sing the Highwayman.
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Of course.
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Yeah.
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That's really what I want out of this show, because I believe that understanding him within
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the context that he has existed in for years helps us understand the context that he exists
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in now.
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I believe fully that the child is the father of man to some extent.
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You know, who you are, what you experience, what you advocate for is a part of what you
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become, generally speaking.
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And so I wanted to do 2009.
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I wanted that badly.
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But because of the intersection with the Obama deception, no good.
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So I decided to see what I could find even further in the past.
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Oh, no.
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So what it's very difficult to find actual footage of Alex Jones from back in his public
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access days.
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But I was able to find a two hour YouTube video compilation of a bunch of every good
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60s cut and another from the 70s.
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No.
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Oh, OK.
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Of Alex Jones back on his public access days.
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No shit.
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Now, how long ago is this?
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Like it's all Clinton era.
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A whole lot of it is about Waco.
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We're not going to be talking too much about it.
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All right.
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It's it's a pretty interesting glimpse.
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And I think that a lot of it is what you'd expect.
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A lot of it is not what you'd expect, but it's it's it's a weird glimpse, man, because
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I'm watching this and I'll say just off the top.
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He doesn't give a shit like or at least in this cut, maybe maybe they selectively cut
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out all the parts where you would be talking about these sorts of things.
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But he doesn't seem concerned with culture issues one bit.
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He doesn't seem to care at all about anything that is his bread and butter now.
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All he cares about is the government.
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And he is fucking anti-government to a T.
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Is he anti-government?
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Which I don't think is that's not going to come as a surprise to anybody.
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OK.
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But he is all about the government.
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He is all about being anti-police.
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He is all about just like it.
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It there's a kernel of it that I'm like, yeah, you go, buddy.
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There's a kernel of it that's like rock on.
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And I think in this first clip, we get a glimpse of is he is he back?
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Is he is this all the way back when he's still smelt?
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He's in between bodies.
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OK, all right.
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He's all we see.
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We see glimpses of the man he is going to become.
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He's on the good side of it, though.
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Yeah, there's a there's a number of these clips where he looks pretty good.
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Like he looks in pretty good shape.
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But there's others where you can see like, oh, it's happening.
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No, still hasn't turned all the way red all the time yet.
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No, no, I like I don't I don't know his life or anything like that,
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but he doesn't seem like an alcoholic at this point.
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I don't know.
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But that might be or at least he can better handle it.
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Or at least he's not drunk while he's doing that's possible.
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These these are the possibilities.
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I'm not sure.
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It's probably irresponsible, irresponsible of me to assume any of that stuff.
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But in this first clip, we get a piece of what I like what I was saying about you go, man.
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All right. All right.
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There are these sorts of issues that he's bringing up that are I think
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I think there's a place in public discourse for let him speak in this clip.
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He is at the DMV protesting.
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Oh, the stakes, the stakes when they were so low.
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He's he's at the Austin DMV where he has made it clear.
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We're here with Ethel and she will not give me a license
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because I don't have a picture or a home address.
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The DMV has or the state has put out new guidelines where you have to give a thumbprint
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in order to get a driver's license.
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Alex is protesting this and he is given an interview outside earlier where he said,
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I've brought eight forms of I.D.
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I have every possible conceivable I.D. that anyone would ever want for me
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if they make me put my finger in the scanner in order to get my I.D.
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I will lay down on the ground and make them arrest me.
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OK, so that is how he's coming in.
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I like I like his style.
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This is pre even talking to anybody.
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Yes. Well, he's talking to someone on camera outside.
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I think he's giving an interview to some local news channel.
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Everyone in the DMV is looking out at this interview going on like, no, God damn it.
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So here is him trying to get arrested at the DMV and not doing a great job.
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Yeah. And I drive without a license.
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What's what's the penalties for driving without a license?
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You know, I don't even want to go there.
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That's right.
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You know what?
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I'm asking you to pertain to it.
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You're an officer.
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I'm asking you the law.
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I would be glad to say so.
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You're saying I'll be committing a crime by driving if I don't take your mark.
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I would be glad to do anything.
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We'll see.
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You're saying not against you.
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Officer Ard, you're you're sitting here, Sergeant,
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and telling me that you're all friendly and you're all nice.
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But I'll be pulled over and given tickets.
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If I don't pay those, I will go to jail because I because of my morals and my beliefs.
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I will not take this.
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And I'm here to tell you already took this in 93.
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And many people will say, well, you've already taken it.
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What's your problem with it?
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Because now I figured out what this is.
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And I'm opposing all those others that are
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being heard in here like cattle to be thumb scanned like criminal.
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Yes, we don't even need to start there.
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I know that you're not going to submit to a thumbprint.
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Why waste your time?
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See right up front?
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They will drop and people are being turned away all day here.
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So you're saying I pay my taxes.
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I'm raped by the IRS, which is criminal.
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Yeah, well known criminal.
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Submit.
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He just said, I must submit real quick.
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The guy in the background said, you're the one who used the word submit.
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And then Alex is like, I'm telling you, I've never been to jail.
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I don't know.
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What do you want me to do for you?
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I want you to give me my driver's license.
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I want my driver's license.
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I am not a criminal.
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I may become one today, but that's fine.
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You're saying you're saying you won't take me to jail at five if I'm still here.
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No, we're not going to take you to jail.
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Oh yeah.
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I like the resignation in his voice of like, dude, I can't do anything.
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I'm trying to be an asshole.
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I'm not.
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I'm just, look, man.
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I'm trying to get arrested on principle and you're not helping me out here.
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You're saying you'd like to help me over and over again.
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Oh, you're just going to act all polite, being polite like that.
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Arrest me.
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In fairness, Alex does end up getting arrested.
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Okay, well good.
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So it's not like this was a fruitless quest.
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Yeah, good for him.
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But the reason that I'm into this on a tentative level is because I don't necessarily think it is
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it should be required to give a fingerprint in order to get a driver's license.
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I think that this is probably a place where it's reasonable to draw a line.
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I think that the protesting that is probably, you know, something I'd be,
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I don't know if I'd join the protest, but I tip my cap to it a little bit.
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I'd give it a Facebook like.
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Alex's further argument that this is just a step towards them demanding blood and urine
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for a driver's license, now that's a little bit of a slippery slope kind of argument,
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but at the same time, you know, hey, all right, I'm I'm this kind of Alex is like, all right guy.
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Yeah, no, this is great.
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So again, the stakes, the stakes are beautifully low, Dan.
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The stakes could not be lower.
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Yeah, there is no downside to this.
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There is a societal value to having someone who exists in an aggressive manner who's like,
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no, I'm not giving you my fingerprint.
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Yeah.
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Why do you want my fingerprint?
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That sort of thing.
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Take it to the Supreme Court.
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I think that there is like whether or not he's right or wrong.
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That is the sort of issue that's like, glad you exist.
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You know what?
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I never would have thought about it.
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I would have just been one of those sheep, Dan.
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I would have just been a cattle member just going up and then giving them my thumbprint
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and saying, take me away to the driver's ed school, sir.
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Right, right.
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So the reason that I bring this in is because a little bit later in this exchange that he has,
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Alex reveals something about himself in the mid 90s.
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I killed the guy.
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Whoa, whoa, what?
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Technically, maybe.
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You just follow orders, don't you?
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You're saying you're going to deny me the constitutional right to travel.
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Oh, boy.
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Oh, boy.
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Digital thumb scanning.
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What I will tell you today, you will not receive a duplicate driver's license.
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You do not send it to a thumbprint.
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Okay.
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Look, I feel like I'm being raped here.
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Well, I would put down you for hours to try to do what I could to help you.
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Then just give me my license without digitally thumb scanning.
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I am not going to violate DPS policy.
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Is there a religious exception?
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For your exception.
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Is there a religious exception?
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Everyone must take the mark.
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So he's related to the mark of the beast.
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But what you responded to is exactly the point of the clip.
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Alex is a sovereign citizen in the mid 90s.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, he's so a sovereign citizen.
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The idea of the constitutional right to travel, that is a huge argument of the sovereign citizens
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because they believe that you should be able to drive cars.
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It's a right.
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And that the only reason anyone needs a license is for like commercial driving.
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Exactly.
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That sort of thing.
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If you're driving trucks, then you need a license.
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And you can't have that license in all caps.
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Otherwise they own your car.
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Maritime law.
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So the way that Alex is phrasing that reveals to me very clearly that he has at least sovereign
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citizen adjacent beliefs dating back as far as the mid 90s.
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So that's interesting to me.
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I find that very interesting.
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I find the right to travel argument endlessly fun.
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Well, it's not for the cops that get shot.
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No, they're not stoked about pulling over.
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So they're not stoked about it.
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I wish that argument had not gotten into the hands of people who have guns.
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I wish that was just like a weird mainstream argument that like, like why not have Elizabeth
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Warren just for one moment go on like, hey, we should have the right to travel across
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state lines regardless.
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It's not about state lines.
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Oh, it's not anywhere.
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Yeah.
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It's just the, the concept of travel.
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Which is silly too, because Alex starts to relate it to like, now I can't go fly a plane.
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I can't get on a plane.
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You can, you have your passport that works as an ID for any of those sorts of travel
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that you want to do.
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It's just about getting your driver's license.
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It's, it's.
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What about no fly zones?
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Does it, do sovereign citizens respect no fly zones?
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I don't know if issues come up.
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Is it constitutional to fly over an army area 51?
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Yeah, no, no, no.
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Just like, uh, just like Fort Sumter.
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Is that a place?
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I have to admit that this is a blind spot in my sovereign citizen knowledge.
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There we go.
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So that was, I'm always going to poke holes in that sovereign citizen argument.
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So that was Alex's trip to the DMV, which I, I rate as fun.
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At least for our purposes, that's like so harmless.
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Yeah, Alex just getting arrested on principle, going down to the DMV saying, I won't scan
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my finger, even though I already did it a year, a couple of years ago, which I would
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say the fact that the stakes are even lower because it's a duplicate license.
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That's even better.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Give me, give me more.
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It's him courting that in order for a publicity stunt to be done.
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So I want a copy of my birth certificate and I am not going to give you a fingerprint.
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There is a crassness to it.
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When you take it out of like, you realize that like, oh, you don't even need to go to
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the DMV, but at the same time, you know, it, it, to me is, is, uh, um, I don't know.
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It seems harmless, which is very foreign to us.
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Uh, so your honor, in the, uh, in the case of, uh, the state versus one Alex Jones, we,
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uh, humbly say, dude, come on, dude, if you've already, if you've already given the state
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a finger scan or whatever, then what you should do is make a big stink out of it, but still
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do it again because they already have your fucking fingerprint on record.
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I mean, the, the thing that makes more sense is that while you're doing it, like, I, I'm
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only doing this because they already have my fingerprint on record, but you guys don't
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need to, you can save yourself.
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Please give me my duplicate license.
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You should try and get your finger back.
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That's what that's the thing he should be doing right there.
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Yeah, he should be like, you should have to, I have the right to be forgotten by fingerprint
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laws or whatever it is.
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Interesting.
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Yeah, I like it.
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So in this next clip, Alex Jones has taken a trip to the grand Canyon.
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Look at its wondrous beauty drill, baby drill.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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That's not the angle.
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He believes that, uh, president Clinton has signed an executive order.
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Nope.
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He signed an executive order that gives control of the grand Canyon to UNESCO.
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Okay.
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So here is Alex harassing people, just trying to enjoy a vacation.
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He's harassing people in the grand Canyon.
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God damn it, man.
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In Northern Arizona, overlooking the beautiful grand Canyon, one of America's most beautiful
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treasures.
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And it's very distressing to me and other Patriots people that truly do care about the
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environment in America, that Bill Clinton with his executive order, January 19th, not
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96, 12,986 began the precedent to sign over our national treasures to international control.
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Yes.
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This is a international biosphere and world heritage site.
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And guess who controls those?
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The United nations.
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Wait, what?
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So that was, wait, hold on.
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Okay.
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So that was him doing like a little bit of a, like, it's just a one shot him standing
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in front of the grand Canyon, like a, like a, yeah, like a news remote.
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Yes.
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Like he's doing that whole thing.
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Uh, and now we've switched to another shot where he's about to harass a bunch of tourists.
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All right.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I'm conducting a scientific experiment.
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I want to ask y'all if y'all know about executive order signed January 19th, 1996 by president
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Bill Clinton, number 12,986, which designated.
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This is a world heritage site under UNESCO, a corporation of the United nations.
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This is the worst tour ever in the mainstream media.
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Now, have you heard about it?
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So none of them heard about it, uh, but I have pulled up, uh, executive order 1, 2,
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9, 8, 6 from 1996 signed by Bill Clinton.
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Yep.
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It has nothing to do with that.
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What does it have to do with?
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It's called international union for conservation of nature and natural resources by virtue
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of the authority vested in me as president of the constitution and the laws of the United
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States, including sections, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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I hereby extend to the international union for conservation of nature and natural resources,
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the privileges and immunities that provide or pertain to immunity from suit to this effect.
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The following sections of the international organization immunities act shall not apply
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to the international union for conservation of nature and natural resources.
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All it does is make immune from a lawsuit.
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This, uh, uh, international union for conservation of nature and natural resources.
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Does it say the grand canyon?
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No.
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And it has nothing to do with, uh, transferring property of the United States, the national
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parks over to the international community.
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It doesn't say a Dick about that to the point that I actually found a bunch of like Patriot,
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uh, message boards that were like, Hey, Alex says that this executive order, uh, gives
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the grand canyon to UNESCO.
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If you read it, it has nothing to do with that.
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Like even the people on his side were like, there's a huge problem with this argument.
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So that's pretty funny.
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Are sovereign citizens allowed to drive in the grand canyon?
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I don't believe, I don't know.
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Do you need a, you do need a license to drive even on federal property offensive.
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Now it's comical because in the early days of the Trump administration, he started making
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moves in order to sell off the national parks.
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Come on.
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Uh, so Alex didn't seem to be too concerned about that.
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What to like private buyers who plan on raping and pillaging that land.
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Come on.
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That would never happen.
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Alex seemed very in favor of that.
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If you recall that episode when we talked about that.
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So now here's the punchline of this, Alex doing some more voiceover after he gets done
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harassing these people about a executive order that he is completely lying about.
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No sooner had I turned away that some of the crowd began to laugh and call me a kook.
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I guess they won't take the time to check out the executive order 12,986.
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I guess they don't believe it unless they hear it from Peter Jennings's mouth.
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Well, I mean it has nothing to do with who's saying it.
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It has to do with like what the truth is.
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I like, I like this.
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Yeah.
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I like, I like low budget.
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I like bullshit.
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I'm loving this so far.
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Oh, totally.
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And I'm like, he sounds hurt.
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Yeah.
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He sounds hurt.
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I know he's taking it personally.
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Cause they ruined his vacation too.
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They, I, none of them want to read the executive
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order because they don't believe in anything unless Peter Jennings says it.
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I went to the grand Canyon and all I wanted to do is stand with my back to whatever it
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is that's behind.
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What is the, it's a Canyon.
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I just wanted to stand with my back to it and yell at people marveling at natural beauty.
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I wanted to, you ruined it by calling me a kook.
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I wanted to find people who scraped together enough money.
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People who live in, let's say, I don't know, Wisconsin.
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And they drove across country to Arizona to see the natural beauty of the grand Canyon.
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They've been dreaming about it for years, finally got the vacation time from work, made
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their way down only to have me yell at them about an executive order.
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I don't understand.
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This is how I have fun.
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It is literally like the plot of the new sequel to national Lampoon's vacation series.
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Yeah.
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Like the Griswolds go to the grand Canyon and they just get yelled at by Alex Jones
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for an hour.
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Now, hold on.
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I would love, uh, you know, these road movies are pretty hot right now.
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Yeah.
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You know, I know Jason Mantzoukas has a new road comedy coming out.
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I did not know that.
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Yeah.
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The, you know, everyone road trip, Euro trip.
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Those were 20 years ago.
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Maybe they were.
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It's hot right now.
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It's hot right now.
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Your example is road trip and Euro trip movies that maybe made back their budget.
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Probably 20 years ago.
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Can't imagine their budget being that high.
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Most of it was paying Tom green.
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That's fair.
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Here's my point.
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We make a road trip movie, but it's early Alex Jones going to the natural wonders of
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the United States to bother people.
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Yeah.
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That'd be great.
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That'd be a farce.
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Uh, yeah.
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Like, uh, the trip with, uh, Steve Coogan and what's his face?
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Hot.
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Yeah.
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They made three sequels to that.
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So, um, so far we have Alex Jones going to the DMV and like, fine.
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Yeah.
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And we have him harassing people about bullshit at the grand Canyon.
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Worse, but I feel bad for the people, but they were laughing.
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So, you know, you live your life.
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Everybody had a good time.
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Yeah.
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Everyone got something out of it.
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Yeah.
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So it's not the worst thing ever.
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I mean, that's like jackass probably and convenience people more than that.
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Yeah, that's true.
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So like, I'm not, I don't, I don't hate this.
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I mean, he's still lying about stuff to suit his purposes, but I'm still like, yeah,
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all right, man.
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Now this next clip, no racism, rudeness, rudeness is forgivable, slight rudeness.
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Um, in this next clip, we see Alex announcing something that is so weird to imagine, given
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what we know about Alex and the president.
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My daughter's having a quinceañera.
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I'm the person to vote for.
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And I just decided to do this today, but we've been asking you for much and I've decided
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to do it.
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And I'm running for district 48 right here in Austin, Texas.
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That's the Southwest Austin B caves area.
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That's where I live.
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And if you want the corruption ferreted out, if you want real information done, I need
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you down there watching downtown when they're counting the votes.
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I need you at all the major polling centers while they're stuffing the ballot boxes.
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And I'll be there and making sure, and they may have some computer fraud going on too.
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We're not sure.
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We're not sure I lose.
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Have we done the election yet close enough?
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We don't catch it.
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I'm not going to say it was election fraud.
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It was election fraud district 48 for the great legislature of Texas.
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Yes, that's right.
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I'm going to the house, ladies and gentlemen, and I'm going to win.
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We're going to be watching those computers and we're going to have people in there counting
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those votes.
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And the election year, people won't know who we've got in there.
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Volunteering.
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I'm going all that information.
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And I'm going to get inside that system, inside that mechanism.
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And I'm going to win.
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Wait, wait, wait.
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Here's my solution to making sure voter fraud does not happen.
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I plant people in the counting situation secretly.
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Oh, I've got moles.
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You know, like, like all good up and up investigations.
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Right, right.
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Gotcha.
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It's not an investigation.
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He's running for fucking state representatives.
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He's really doing that?
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Well, he dropped out before the Republican primary.
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This was in 2000.
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He was already worried about voter fraud and he had yet to make it to the primary.
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You see him screaming about like, I'm going to I'm going to root out corruption and I'm
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going to win.
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I'm going to drop out before the primary.
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Yes.
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This is in the 2000 election.
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And he dropped out, like I said, before the primary, citing a desire to, quote, focus
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on getting his views out on the airwaves, which presumably he was already doing.
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Right.
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How was the polling?
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Democrat and Kitchen ended up winning the election with about 59 percent of the vote.
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My guess is that this was basically just a bit of a publicity stunt on Alex's part when
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he realized he had no chance of winning and that no one was rallying around to fund his
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campaign.
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He's just like, fuck it.
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I give up.
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That's why that's my feeling on it.
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And I don't hate that either.
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Like the idea of someone who's on public access using running for office as a way to get
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publicity, I think is all right.
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I mean, it's slightly an abuse of the like the election system, the guy with the chop
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stash who had a rent being too damn high.
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That guy's worthwhile.
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I like him.
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Yeah.
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The rent is too damn high.
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Yeah, the rent is too damn high.
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I agree.
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Yeah.
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I mean, the guy who ran the bar I used to work at in Missouri, he would run for mayor
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almost every time there was an election, basically just to get promotions for his bar.
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That's great.
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Yeah, he's a genius.
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He's essentially Trump, but he didn't accidentally win.
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Right, right.
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And he made sure of that by dropping out all the time.
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I mean, I think Alex is doing the same thing.
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And like I said, I can't hate on it.
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No.
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It's a hustle.
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Respect the hustle.
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This is just a hustler at this point.
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I'm fine with the hustle.
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This is, from what we've seen so far from the 90s, this is just kind of a mildly principled
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hustler.
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Like the DMV thing is a hustle to some extent because he's getting a duplicate ID, like
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we said.
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Right.
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It's not like he needs to go there.
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He's forcing a situation wherein he can take a principled stand and also get himself a
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ton of free publicity.
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So I don't know.
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I mean, I'm faking this a little bit.
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I'm going to hate him at the end of this.
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Oh, okay.
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But of course.
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You son of a bitch.
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Yeah, of course.
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I mean, I was feeling great.
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We have to have a journey.
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I was really feeling great.
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In this next clip, we see Alex getting into, like, he says some things that are like, they're
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shockingly modern, but this is from the 90s, man.
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Yeah.
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Well, we're winning over the professors at the University of Texas.
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Their engineering department has come out against the New World Order and the Federal
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Reserve and the CFR and more and more people are.
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And we're going to win because some of us have honor and we know there are heroes left
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and we know it's instinctive.
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I'm telling you, it is.
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It is.
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In grand.
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That's what instincts are.
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They are ancestral memories.
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And I have a memory of fighting and freedom and dying and slaving and sex.
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I want to be clear.
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It took me like three listens over that.
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I thought he said he had memories of enslaving.
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No, he said slaving.
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Yes, it was.
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I need to make that clear because it threw me for a loop.
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Now I'm sure he does have memories of enslaving.
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If he does have ancestral memories.
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He's totally got those memories.
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Oh, yeah, sacrificing my life.
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And I'm not talking about I don't believe in reincarnation.
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I'm talking about the instincts, the instincts to fight for your people, for the fight for
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the human race against tyranny, against our own race, looking to pin us and enslave us
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like all of history.
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And there's nothing wrong with it.
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And we've got to do it.
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It's a struggle for everything.
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All the cards are on the table and you know, it's true.
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And you know, you've got to do it.
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But is that Bill Pullman?
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Is that Bill Pullman in Independence Day?
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That speech was fucking arousing.
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I am roused, Dan.
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You sort of get the sense of where like, like his chops have always been.
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The reason that he gained any popularity is because he has the ability to turn that on
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out of nowhere.
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That's some oration, Dan.
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Yeah, he has the ability.
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Give that man a show and then cancel it five years after this point.
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If he wasn't a flaming bigot and he wasn't completely obsessed with these stupid anti-communist
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propaganda things that he read as a kid, I think he'd have the potential to be an amazing
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improv comedian.
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Like he could, he would be Andy, no, no, no, no, no.
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Have you seen the way he piggybacks on people?
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That dude can't.
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Yes.
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And he's one of the guys who always has to have the line.
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I don't know if he had, if he had a mentor, if he had someone who showed him the way in
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terms of collaborative comedy or something like that, if he went and got like a couple
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classes in or something like that, I think he has the raw material that you could mold
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into somebody who is fucking outrageous.
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Because what you see there is like, he's making you a speech that roused you out of nothing.
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Roused.
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Out of nothing.
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Thoroughly roused.
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He brought up ancestral memory.
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I know.
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And you got roused.
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It's nice to know that that's still been going on for like 25 years.
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That's something that maybe he's believed in forever.
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Yeah, that actually now I might believe is true because he's not making that up in the
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present.
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That's been going on since he was nine.
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I don't know if that means it's true.
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It does support my he's got paranoid schizophrenia argument though.
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Perhaps.
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Or just really vivid dreams.
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Possibly.
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So in this next clip, we hear another thing that's very familiar.
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And that is that he has said chai comms since the 90s.
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Why?
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Well, because that's one of those old time anti-communist terms.
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It's something that's like, how old is that term?
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I mean, I don't think I've ever asked.
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I thought I actually kind of thought he just made it up.
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I think he was like Chinese and communist throwing chai comms.
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Why not?
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No, I think I think as I understand it's a term that has deep roots, at least dating
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back to like the 60s or 70s.
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Oh, really?
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See, now that makes me suspect that it's super racist.
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I don't think it is.
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I think it's more just about the communism aspect.
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Okay.
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I think.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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It's I don't I'm not I'm not willing to give this one the racist match, especially
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after we overreacted about Coon ass, which is apparently.
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You know what?
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It turns out that's fine.
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I respect everybody.
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Got a lot of posts on the Facebook group about that.
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That's like totally fine.
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I'm one of them.
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No, no, no.
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And that's great.
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And we love it.
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That's great.
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But look, if I'm unfamiliar with the term that has Coon and ass in it, believe me, I'm
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taking the very cautious side of it.
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Oh, yeah, discretion is the better part of valor.
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I don't know.
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Anyway, what's valorous being like?
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Coon ass is fine.
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I don't know.
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I wanted to say discretion.
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And I accidentally launched into that aphorism.
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Anyway, in this next clip, Alex talks about the Chi comms, which he's been afraid of
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forever, which is nice to see that there's consistency there.
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Um, and then he gets into like what most of his show is about back then.
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But who are the terrorists?
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It's certainly not Bill Clinton giving all of our nuclear weapons designs and enabling
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systems to the Chi comms.
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No, no, no.
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It's people like the Davidians or Randy and Vicky Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho.
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Oh, boy.
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Yeah, we're the terrorists.
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We're the danger.
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We're the threat because we won't submit to total domination, total control, total
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slavery.
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Waco is a sterling example of this.
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The lies and corruption that were evidenced during their activities.
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Oh, but I forgot we had to save the children.
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That's why we burned the 17 little children to death.
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Again, to save them from the terrorist, the deadly, dangerous terrorist, their parents.
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His show is so much about Waco.
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Like I would say of this two hour compilation that I watched, an hour plus is about Waco.
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Lot about Waco.
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And I don't want to talk too much about Waco because it's a super complicated case.
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And so much of it relies on people deciding to believe whatever they want to believe.
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Like some evidence shows that David crash is a dangerous cult leader, but others will
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say that he's just some kind of Christian that you don't agree with.
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You know, stuff like that.
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Or it'd be both evidence shows that he was abusing children at the Mount Carmel compound,
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but conspiracy theorists just say it's not true.
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Sure.
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He might've been married to a 13 year old, but man, fake news.
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He actually was Jesus though.
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That was confirmed.
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So evidence has proven.
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Another reason I don't want to relitigate this too much is that I do kind of agree that
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the standoff was wasn't handled in the best way possible.
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I suspect that there are better ways that they could have resolved that, that didn't
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end in that kind of a tragedy, but I'm not sure what that path would have been necessarily.
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And I think it's beyond me to assume that I know what the right answer is.
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Just to remind our listeners that they don't remember the whole Waco incident clearly.
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What happened, everything went wrong when Janet Reno threw a Molotov cocktail through
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the window of the compound.
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That's Alex's version.
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That was where it all went wrong.
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So from watching...
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He was originally going to name the show that he does, We Hate Reno, but then realized that
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Reno is a city.
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And he has a radio station in Reno.
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No, can't do that.
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So two of Alex's main claims are rooted in the idea that one, the government started
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the fires that burned down the compound, and two, that the government shot people trying
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to leave out the back exit.
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Both of these things aren't true.
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Senator John C. Danforth was charged with a special counsel investigation into the Waco
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standoff in 1999, and this investigation found that there were very clear indications that
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the Branch Davidians started the fire themselves.
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This was based on the fact that the potentially pyrotechnic gas canisters that were shot in
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by the government, they were trying to force people out of the building, they deployed
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those four hours before the fire started, and they weren't fired in the places where
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the fires ended up starting.
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In addition to that, lab analysis found that there were accelerants on the clothing of
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bodies found inside the compound, and investigators found punctured fuel cans inside.
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Beyond that, survivors were on record saying that they overheard other Branch Davidians
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talking about starting fires.
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It's acceptable, I guess, to have suspicions about the fires, but it's absolutely unreasonable
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to assume that the government started them based on the evidence available.
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So that one I don't give any real credibility to, and that's what Alex talks about all the
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time.
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For sure.
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And it's not true.
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As to the claim that the government was shooting people trying to escape, this is based on
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infrared videos that were shot by overhead aircrafts.
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As people like Alex claim, the video shows flashes that indicate gunshots and their bodies
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piled up by the rear exit of the building.
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Experts analyzed the videos and they found that there's no way that these reflected gunfire,
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but they were actually thermal reflections of debris, that the fire was charging up and
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making spin in the air because of, I don't know if it's backdraft or whatever, but the
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sort of wind effects that are caused by a fire.
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So it looks a little bit like a firefly and just an explosion of light and then it's gone.
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Some reflective things ended up spinning and it made it look like there was flash, flash,
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flash, flash.
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This is what every credible analyst has said when they look over the videos.
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Further, there were no bodies found in the room where the rear exit of the compound was
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and none of the people inside who were shot were shot with high velocity rounds, which
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one would expect if they were being shot by machine guns or snipers, as people like Alex
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suggest.
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So he spent so much of his time building up his case about the government being super
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oppressive based on lies about Waco.
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And it's a tragedy.
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I'm not going to take that away from those people.
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Most of those people were victims of this.
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Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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I'm not in any way going to try and denigrate them or try and minimize the tragedy of the
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situation.
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But what Alex is doing is super irresponsible and drumming up a lot of anti-government fervor
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that he would like to be able to exploit for his career.
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Congressional campaign.
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Perhaps.
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Just for his like the furtherance of his career without taking into account that like this
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doesn't match the actual information.
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It's a good thing that he only did this at the beginning of his career.
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And once he got that popularity, he realized the error of his ways.
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And then he changed and became a competent newsman.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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Definitely.
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I'm sorry.
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I was I was reveling in the past for a little bit.
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So I don't know.
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I feel real gross about, you know, taking a look at Alex's Waco behaviors and especially
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realizing that so much of his like continuing worldview and how he evolves the narratives
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past this point have to do with the bedrock of his lies about Waco, coupled with only
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like really what he says maybe 10, 15 times just in this compilation of clips is like
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Hitler burned down the Reichstag and that's one example.
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That doesn't necessarily mean that this is related.
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And the fact that Janet Reno didn't then ascend to be chancellor of America or Bill Clinton.
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That would have been a weird day.
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Well, I mean, the after effects that you would expect if this was some sort of a thing where
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they did this is a Reichstag like situation.
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The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as they say.
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Now shadowy cabal, though, we don't know who may have been elevated through Waco.
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I hate I hate you.
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Somebody may have been elevated within the globalist structure.
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I hate that so much because it was Soros, because Alex doesn't talk about it.
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I hate I hate that so much because it relies on the word may and there's just nothing you
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can do with that.
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So, yeah.
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OK.
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Which makes it true.
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Sure.
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If you use that kind of warped thinking, whatever, at that point, I bet you would do all right.
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I can't argue.
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All right.
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I can't argue.
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Mites with you.
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OK.
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So like I said, a lot of this, a lot of you for conceding that argument.
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I don't know if I did.
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A lot of this stuff is about Waco and most of it is just rehashes of this.
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But there's one clip that's in here that is so funny.
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It's Alex with a microphone, presumably at a town hall meeting, arguing and insulting
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an ATF agent.
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And here's the first clip of that.
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When it comes time for me to leave my parents and my girlfriend and my life, I will for
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my country.
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And I really don't want to die because I really don't want to die because I love this country.
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But if I have to die for my country, I will.
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And I think I can see that little gleam in your eye.
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You would almost laugh when you would say I can't talk about that or I have no idea
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about that.
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You sir, look like a gangster.
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You look like a criminal.
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Eureka of it, sir.
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Eureka of being a gangster.
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You reek of being a criminal.
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Now this ATF agent.
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You border, you ATF agent, reek of being a criminal.
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The camera pans over to him and he's just standing there like, just like, unamused by
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this.
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Nonplussed, if you will.
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Well, that's fine.
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That's fine.
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Well, yeah.
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Don't do any personal.
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No, it's not personal.
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It is personal.
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It's the, it's the huge.
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Keep it to the facts.
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It's the huge steel fist.
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This is why I don't come here.
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I never will come back.
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I never will come here.
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I never will come here.
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I never will come again.
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But this is what it comes down to.
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I had to come and talk to you and tell you that I've heard the constitution.
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I know what's going on in the country.
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I know about Rex 84.
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I know about Pima.
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I've been around at the national parks.
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I've seen the executive orders.
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I know what's going on in this country.
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So since the early nineties, early to mid nineties, he's been yelling at ATF agents.
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I know about Rex 84, which in present day is, I got Trump that's going to use Rex 84.
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It's time to use Rex 84.
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We did it.
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Against these immigrants.
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Perfect.
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Cause I know now that it's so different than it was before, much like his flipping on the
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idea of the stealing of the 2000 election.
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It's completely waffled on everything.
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This is pathetic.
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That is also just such a laundry list of things that immediately make you go, oh, you don't
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know what's going on.
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Oh, I know about Rex 84.
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I know about the national parks.
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I know about all the lot.
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Wait, this is in the mid nineties.
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Are you throwing Rex 84 national parks in there?
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I don't think, I don't think, you know what you're talking about.
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Well, we've demonstrated he doesn't know about the national parks because that's probably
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in reference to that executive order that's just lying about.
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Totally in reference to the Grand Canyon.
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The Rex 84, it's called Rex 84 because his readiness exercise in 1984, like this is probably
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10 years at least after that didn't happen.
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So I really thought it was named after a guy named Rex.
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Really thought that.
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I thought it was after Alex's son.
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It was named after a guy named Rex and it was drafted in 1984.
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That's unfortunately not true.
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I'm sorry.
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All right.
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So in this next clip, we finish up with Alex Herranging, the ATF agent.
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I want to know why you haven't seen Waco Rules of Engagement and why you won't comment.
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And you said you were 1100 yards away from the back of the building where all the automatic
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weapons fire was coming from.
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You saw it.
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Sir, there's footage of it.
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There's tape of it.
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You want me to give you one of the tapes?
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Perhaps I'm wrong.
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Perhaps you're not a criminal.
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Perhaps you're just power hungry.
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No.
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Let him respond.
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I have to say there was no automatic weapons fire coming from the back of the building.
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I'd like to see the tapes.
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I haven't seen those.
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So Alex is taking this information that he's like, I can't believe you haven't seen this.
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He always brings back up multiple, multiple times when he's in arguments with people in
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these clips.
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It's the tape.
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Waco Rules of Engagement, which is a documentary that was made and has since been pretty thoroughly
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debunked because there are some fair points in it in terms of like, there is a little
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bit of, you know, I don't know what the consensus is in terms of like who fired first.
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It was Oswald.
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Could be.
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Or Greedo.
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It could have been both.
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It's unclear in terms of like the Branch Davidians or the government who fired first in the front
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of the building.
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But the stuff that Alex is bringing up is specifically about the behind the building
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stuff and that overhead infrared footage that is absolutely not indicative of the government
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shooting on the back of the building, which is part of Alex's like, they were trying to
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slaughter these people.
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They were trying to kill them when they were trying to leave and surrender and stuff like
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that.
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If he wanted to make substantive points about like, we need to really nail down who shot
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first or something like that, then there would be a lot more room for there being a discussion.
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And you see here this ATF agent being like, I was around there.
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There was nobody shooting at the back of the building.
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Can an automatic rifle shoot accurately at 1100 yards?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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That's crazy.
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I don't know enough.
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That's scary.
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I don't like that.
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I imagine maybe like a sniper rifle, but I don't know.
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That's not automatic, though, is it?
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That kind of suggests machine gun fire, like straight up Gatling gun, like murder town.
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It feels that way a bit, yeah.
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So suffice it to say, most of Alex's information that he's bringing to the table comes from
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this Waco rules of engagement documentary.
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And it doesn't imply a great deal of research.
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It implies, it's like someone watched making a murderer and then is now an expert on the
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legal justice.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It's that level of thing, except that Alex is so good.
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Like he's so talented at this stuff that he's able to turn a cursory knowledge of something
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with a lot of emotion behind it into something that people find super compelling.
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It's really fascinating to some extent.
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It's unfortunate because it is unfortunate.
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It is that like, yes, they fucked up.
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We got it.
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Why do you got to turn this into, you know, like 9-11?
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Like the government fucked up on 9-11 super hard, super hard.
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They knew this shit was coming.
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They intercepted all this.
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They know all of that shit.
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They fucked up.
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That doesn't mean they did it though.
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It could just be that they're shitty at their jobs.
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It doesn't need to be a giant conspiracy theory.
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You know how that asshole Derek at work sucks?
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There's tons of those guys in the government.
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Janet Reno.
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Right.
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And there's like, I don't think that this is a conspiracy, but it would be if I suggested
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this.
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If I suggested it was intentional.
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I like it.
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I like it.
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But yes, absolutely, there are issues.
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There's things that we need to talk about when things like this happen, whether it's
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Waco or 9-11.
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People like Alex, what they serve to do is make it impossible to have the conversations
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you need to have.
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Right.
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Because they detract on these more out there points or like things that aren't really based
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in reality.
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Now, the conspiracy part of it would be if I'm like, he exists and is being paid in order
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to make sure we never have those conversations by distracting people.
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That is a pretty good conspiracy.
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It's not a good conspiracy.
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It'd be a good conspiracy.
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It would be if we had some sort of proof that that were the case.
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Fox News.
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It does seem to be that that's just his instinct.
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The NRA.
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His instinct is to muddy the waters when it comes to patriot white issues.
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I mean, I'm not saying that there's a good argument for the conspiracy theory.
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I'm just saying that it seems to be the playbook that anybody who tries to talk about gun control
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runs.
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That's true.
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It seems like a coordinated playbook that everybody uses whenever any type of gun control
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legislation comes up or even a conversation about maybe semi-automatic weapons shouldn't
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be everywhere.
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There's always the shrill lies thrown around at all possibilities.
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It is a feature of right wing propaganda.
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It's suspicious, certainly, but it would be irresponsible of us to make some sort of a
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pronouncement or even advocate for a conspiracy that Alex is, he exists for that role or something
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like that.
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I think it's the Heritage Foundation.
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But whatever the case may be.
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They also did Waco.
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That's true.
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That's not true.
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This next clip, which is our last clip, Alex says something that I find deeply troubling
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and was actually the reason that I decided to go over these clips.
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It's real fucked up and I'll explain why after the clip.
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We have the force.
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We have the capacity.
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We have the will and we will not surrender.
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We are the ones engaged in the force multiplication special ops.
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We're the ones galvanizing organizations.
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We're the ones with leaderless resistance.
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We're the ones conducting a counter terrorism sting operation against you, Bill Clinton,
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you traitor, you globalist agent and you, Governor Bush from your CIA Brown and Harriman
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brother banker oil family.
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We got your numbers and we're galvanized and we are moving forward and I'm only the messenger
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and you be fully aware of you back down now or you're going to pay.
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I'd like to thank our sponsors.
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Oh, early at pivot.
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Oh, God.
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You remember that speech and patent where immediately after he gives that whole fucking
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massive rah, rah, we're going to do this.
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Also, I would like to thank Nike for sponsoring our boots this year.
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Thank you very much.
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It's wild to see that strategy still existing in the mid nineties.
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That is a guy because we don't see he was ad pivoting in the third grade, Dan.
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Well, I think the reason for that is that like he has to sell or thank sponsors.
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He has to do that and that's sort of his natural inclination because at this point he doesn't
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have Ted Anderson.
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This is pre Ted Anderson and Midas Resources, Genesis Communications Network.
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Once he got on board with that, he had commercials and he barely had to do any live reads for
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quite a while until he started selling his own shit.
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So at this point he's doing that and the reason we don't see those ad pivots for a number
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of years when we're looking at like 2009 stuff is because he didn't have to do that.
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Often at the end of the show, he'd just be like, not before we go, I'd like to thank
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our sponsors and hey, if you want to go get some water filtration, these are, that's a
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good company.
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Except for the points when he actually has those sponsors on air to do.
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Oh, he still does that on the local access show?
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No, no.
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I don't see any evidence of that, but I'm talking about like in 2009 when he has like
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Steve Schenk on to sell, to make you afraid of food issues or the soap limerick man.
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Schenk's for the memories.
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It's a great Fall Out Boy song.
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So the reason that I think this clip is really fucked up isn't the ad pivot.
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That's delightful.
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What is a force multiplication special op?
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That's his way of expressing that like each one teach one kind of thing.
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Oh, I thought that's what you were going to talk about.
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No, that's just sort of an idea of like, I'm going to reach more people and then they're
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going to reach people.
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That's just sort of any, that's a feature of any kind of group that feels like they
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are recruiting.
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Yeah, sure.
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And that's, that's not too crazy to imagine.
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The thing that's fucked up is him using the term leaderless resistance and the reason
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for that is leaderless resistance is a term that was coined in 1962 by staunch anti-communist
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colonel as a means to promote revolutions.
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The idea was that loosely connected but not formally connected cells of decentralized
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actors could commit acts against an enemy whose numbers were far greater and still stand
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a chance to succeed.
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Ugh, terrorism, literally.
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Not necessarily, kind of, but it doesn't necessarily imply acts of violence or anything like that.
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At this point, that kind of a strategy is all good and well, if that's what Alex was
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referring to.
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Because Alex complains about Bill Clinton in this clip, we can be sure that this rant
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was post 1992.
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This is important because the concept of leaderless resistance fell out of vogue in the years
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after the 60s until 1992 when a man named Louis Beam wrote a notorious article advocating
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the use of leaderless resistance.
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Louis Beam was a door gunner in Vietnam and when he returned home to the states, he joined
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the Ku Klux Klan, eventually becoming the Grand Dragon of the Texas Klan.
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In 1982, he was arrested for kidnapping his daughter from his estranged wife who ended
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up dropping the charges after receiving targeted harassment and threats from Louis' Klan buddies.
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He was known for not being at all not into violence, saying, quote, where ballots fail,
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bullets will prevail.
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In 1981, Beam went to pay a visit to the Aryan Nations compound in Idaho, which led to Richard
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Butler, then the head of the Aryan Nations, visiting with Beam's KKK chapter in Galveston
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Bay.
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This resulted in Butler declaring Beam a, quote, ambassador at large of the Aryan Nations
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and served to bring the two hate groups closer together.
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In 1984, Beam was instrumental in creating the Aryan Nations Liberty Net, the world's
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first Internet hate site.
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He helped bring white supremacy into the modern age and gave white supremacists an online
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platform where they could come together to form a bulletin board.
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But most important to our issues is Beam's 1992 essay, Leaderless Resistance.
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Here are just a few passages out of the essay that sound exactly like Alex Jones.
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Quote, the passage of time will make it clear to even the more slow among us that the government
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is the foremost threat to life and liberty of the folk.
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Quote, we are cognizant that before things get better, they will certainly get worse,
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as government shows a willingness to use ever more severe police state measures against
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dissidents.
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Quote, the federal objective is to imprison or destroy all who oppose them.
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And then talking about some like dumber members among his ranks.
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The government, quote, the government they oppose has declared a state of war against
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those fighting for faith, folk, freedom and constitutional liberty.
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Using folk a lot.
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That's kind of Bill O'Reilly-ish.
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Using folk a lot.
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Quote, America is quickly moving into a long dark night of police state tyranny where the
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rights now accepted by most as being inalienable will disappear.
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Oh, no.
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This sounds very similar to Alex Jones' rhetoric.
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Yeah.
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His entire essay reads as if it could have easily been written by Alex Jones.
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The constant exaltation of the Patriots, the references to command and control systems,
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the specific terminology used to describe the American Revolution and how that situation
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is a perfect analog to the fight against modern government tyranny.
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It's all there.
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Given the time frame and the extensive overlap of themes, I can't come to any other conclusion
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than that Alex Jones was very inspired by Louis Beam's essay on the leaderless resistance.
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Adding in that he was a patriot from Texas and the idea that Alex wasn't into him becomes
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almost unfathomable.
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White folk, huh?
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Well, it's worse than that.
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It's worse than white folk.
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Right.
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What we have is the grand dragon of the Texas clan who served as an attaché ambassador
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with the Aryan Nation compound in Idaho during the 90s, during the most extreme flare up
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of militia activity, white supremacist, white nationalist militia activity.
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Right.
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And you're saying he influenced Alex?
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Who were all inspired by Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City.
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Right, right, right.
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We see here Alex Jones saying, we have the leaderless resistance, which can't be read
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in any other way in that context.
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In that time period.
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In that time period, the people who are listening to Alex Jones' show, they know that is code
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for this very seminal essay that was written by Louis Beam.
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Yeah, I don't see a problem here.
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I don't think that this proves dead to rights anything.
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No, it pretty much does.
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But I think that when you look at it from the prism of like just, you know, the circumstances
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of the time, you look at Alex Jones, the certainly white nationalist tendencies he's shown since
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then, I think we get a glimpse here that Alex Jones might have been up to some real bad
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stuff.
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I mean, you can say it doesn't prove anything.
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But at the same time, the Unabomber's brother knew it was him because he saw the pet phrases
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in his manifesto.
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Sure.
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So there's a little bit of where there's smoke, there's fire when you're using the same language
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as somebody else.
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And it's not like leaderless resistance didn't exist before that essay.
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But it was not very popular.
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It wasn't a term that was used since this kernel in the 60s.
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It was something that had fallen out of vogue, as I said, and was reignited in the patriot
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anti-government communities by Louis Beam in 1992.
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The fact that Alex is speaking after 1992 makes it really, it makes it so hard for me
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not to draw a clear line between that.
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And I know we're just hinging on one word, or two words, but these two words are fucking
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important.
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The leaderless resistance philosophy is what guided the violent militias in the 90s.
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Because they had this whole idea that if you had a pyramidal structure and you had a leader
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up at top, anybody who infiltrated and got up to a certain level would be able to burn
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everyone below them and possibly people above them.
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So if you had an upside down- Like a Michael Cohen, if you will.
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Sure.
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If you had an upside down pyramid, there would be much less people at the pin, like at the
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bottom of it, through the point of entry for possible moles that you'd be able to burn.
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And if there is no leader, if you just have cells of lone wolves or five people who have
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their little group, it's almost impossible for people to infiltrate them.
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So that is super, super important to the rise of the militia movement in the 90s that led
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to a lot of really fucked up stuff.
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Yeah.
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And the world we live in today.
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What does this show look like?
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It's a local access- It's crazy.
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It's a TV show, right?
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Well, hold on.
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Before we get to that, I just want to say one more thing about Louis Beam.
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Okay.
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In his essay, Beam accurately lays out exactly the purpose a show like Alex's would serve
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to achieve.
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Quote, some of the groups that do exist often serve a useful purpose, either for the newcomer
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who can be indoctrinated into the ideology of the struggle or for generating positive
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propaganda to reach potential freedom fighters.
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So it's almost like in this essay, he's explaining what Alex Jones's purpose would be.
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Proud Boys.
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I don't know if they're generating much positive propaganda.
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No.
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No.
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Someone like Alex definitely does though.
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And he whitewashes a ton of hateful rhetoric, a bunch of dumb narratives, and he turns them
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into things that people could use as an entry point.
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And we've seen like Robert Evans, the guy who does the Behind the Bastards podcast,
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he did a study, I don't know if it's a study, but he got a lot of chat logs from Discord
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servers of people who are in white nationalist communities.
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They were all discussing like what their entry point was.
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And the only reason I bring this up is it's super familiar, something you hear a lot.
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A high number of people get in through Alex Jones.
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Alex Jones is a palatable, entertaining, very talented broadcaster who you get in with and
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then eventually you either turn on him because you think he's not talking about the Jewish
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question or something like that, or you're just like, I want the harder stuff.
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So you go to someone more extreme.
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So like the idea that in Louis Peep's fucking leaderless resistance essay, he's talking
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about the idea of like this can be a useful purpose for the newcomer who can be indoctrinated
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into the ideology of the struggle.
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The idea that Alex is saying, like talking about we use a leaderless resistance after
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this essay had caught wildfire in the militia communities.
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I know that he's read that paragraph.
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Oh, yeah.
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I don't know what I don't know what to think.
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I think he was influenced by a grand dragon of the KKK and probably has family members
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who either were or are in the KKK.
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Now that's where that's where we get really presumpted.
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I'm not I'm not I'm not saying he does.
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I'm just saying that with his family size that he likes to brag about where he lives
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in Texas, we also know history, he says that he has all of that stuff.
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It's it would be highly improbable for him not to have at least an extended family member.
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He's that was or is in the KKK.
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He said he's related to Bedford Forrest, the guy who started the class.
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So like, there you go.
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Already have that.
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We've got that.
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We've got that.
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He's been KKK adjacent for a long time.
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But this this like when I when I heard that it was very troubling to me because of this
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context around it.
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Like it's one of the more overt indications that Alex Jones probably has deep roots.
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I mean, we always so good not being racist this episode.
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Dan, totally had such a good run the whole time we were at the DMV.
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That was a delight.
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We're at the Grand Canyon.
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Yeah, he's a dick, but you still get to see the Grand Canyon.
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And now here we are back in the KKK and the Aryan Nation.
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Why you got to do this?
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I told you there was a journey.
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We could have just had fun.
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Yeah.
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Sorry.
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But there's a there's a there's a reality to it that underlies some of that fun.
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It's very important to recognize that that sort of ideology, that philosophy is behind
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it, even when he's at the Grand Canyon yelling at people.
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Yeah.
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You know, that's the guy he is.
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Maybe we got the wrong acronym in front of his dad.
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Maybe he's not a CIA dentist.
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Maybe he's a KKK dentist.
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They need clean teeth, too, Dan.
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Right.
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Can you imagine?
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Yeah.
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White for white teeth.
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That's his white tooth for whites.
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So to answer your question from earlier, though, about the show, there are clips that you can
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find of his show where it looks like more of a set.
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I think that's when he was on Austin Community Access.
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Yeah.
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And then he did shows from his own studio, which is just him in a black room, like because
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he's filming them at his dad's dental office.
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Right.
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Of course.
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He's in the corner of a dental office with one light.
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It's very low budget.
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But I mean, I think there's some new world order is coming in.
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There's more sincerity to it than what he does now, for sure, at least visually speaking.
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But I'll say that most of these clips from this compilation were field pieces like most
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of it is him out in the streets and stuff like that.
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And we're good.
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He needs to get back to his roots.
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Yeah.
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He's he's in his he's in his recording studio castle, not getting out there with the people
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yelling at poop from time to time.
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No.
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Get back to the Grand Canyon.
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You mock.
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Start yelling.
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You mock.
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But that yelling and poop is what put Cruz over that would put Cruz up.
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Yeah, totally.
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That one.
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That one little shit splat got him over.
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Yep.
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Oh boy.
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So it's weird.
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I don't know.
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It's because I when I think of him having a TV show on cable access, I somehow can't
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get past the idea of like he's got a chair and he's got a couch and he's got the little
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end table to the left of him.
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It's like a call in show.
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It's like a Maury style show.
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One of the only clips you can find on YouTube is of his Halloween episode.
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And he's like taking callers while carving a pumpkin.
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But that's great.
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It's only like a minute long.
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That's great.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, this is interesting.
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And I think that there's there's there's questions that are raised by this glimpse into the early
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career of Alex Jones for sure.
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That are at the very least answered in 2009.
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It seems like it.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's it's weird to see like things that are so different and things that are
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so the same.
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You know, like the chai comms.
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Yeah.
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Yells about the chai comms all the time.
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That's never changed.
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No.
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White nationalism.
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That's never changed.
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No, that's been there the whole time.
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What's different?
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Doesn't need to go to the DMV anymore.
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You can mail in your registration and get a new license that way.
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I don't know.
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If you have a thumbprint, you might still have to go in and they know what they want
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your piss now to know what would that what would that even what kind of addition to the
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facilities would a DMV need if it had both a urine testing and blood testing because
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on site?
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I think it would be a huge, huge money waste.
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Look, the lines are bad enough already.
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All times phlebotomist.
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It's no good.
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Oh, so I don't know, man, I needed to go back to the past because the present is boring.
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And two thousand nine didn't work.
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I think this scratched the itch, you know, has great, great.
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I want to go to the DMV now.
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You do?
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Yeah.
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I'm wistful for the DMV.
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I've been mailing shit in.
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I haven't actually gone to the physical DMV in years.
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The the DMV.
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But I want to give them I want to protest because they won't take my thumbprint.
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All right.
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All right.
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You're on to something here.
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The DMV in Columbia, Missouri, was the biggest hassle in the world.
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It was the worst.
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It was so it was like all the jokes about the DMV.
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You know, and so like whenever I lived there, I was like, oh, I got to go to fucking DMV.
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It sucks.
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And then when I moved here, I needed to get a new I.D., I need an Illinois I.D.
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So I thought like, fuck, how bad it was in Columbia.
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Going to the DMV in Chicago is going to be the worst.
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I went I was in and out of there.
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It was so awesome.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's a great experience.
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Was anybody protesting?
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No.
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OK.
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No, not at all.
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Because I knew that from needing to get a new I.D. when my I.D. expired was a fucking
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nightmare.
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That was partially my fault.
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Yeah.
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I realized that there was a you you were you were an active participant in the difficulty
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that you engaged in.
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I was pretty mad at them, but it was my fault for not having the right information.
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So that one's partially on me, although I didn't need my birth certificate.
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No, but that's because you lasered off all your fingerprints.
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Sure.
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That was why you couldn't get that I.D.
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Absolutely.
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I don't want to get.
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You had to give him some blood first.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, we will be back on Wednesday with a new episode and, you know, we'll be back
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on Friday.
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But until, you know, oh, also the that's what I was stammered around trying to remember
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that Obama deception shit is going to be crazy.
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So thank you all for supporting us and getting us to the point where we're doing that.
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And fuck all of you also, because this is a lot of work.
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All right.
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All right.
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All right.
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Also, we have a Web site now.
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We have a Web site.
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What if you wanted to find us on a social media network and check us out on Twitter
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at Knowledge Underscore Fight.
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All right.
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What if you wanted to watch the social network?
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You go to Hulu.
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I don't think it's on Hulu.
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I don't know where it's streaming somewhere.
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But what was the movie about?
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It was about a great performance by Jesse Eisenberg.
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That's what it was about.
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That was what it was about.
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Maybe a fun movie is to actually make a movie about the great performance.
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Disagree.
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That would not be funny.
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That would be a terrible movie.
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It was about Mark Zuckerberg, who owns Facebook.
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Indeed.
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We have a group on Facebook called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.
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That's correct.
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A lot of fun over there.
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Uh huh.
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We're on iTunes.
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You can download.
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Tell somebody about it.
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Share.
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Leave a review.
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We need force multiplication.
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Yeah.
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Oh, we need force multiplication.
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Each one to each one.
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Somebody psyop somebody else with a force multiplication psyop.
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That sounds great.
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So.
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Uh.
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Oh, this one's all you.
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This one's all you, baby.
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The DMV.
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I don't know if anyone has died at the DMV.
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Someone's got to have died at the DMV.
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This is the biggest, like, 80s joke set up.
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Someone's probably died at the DMV.
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This is no good.
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Have you ever been to the DMV, Dan?
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The lines.
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And they ask for your fingerprint.
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I'm looking over a lot of these clips, and a lot of them do involve death.
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Um, I'll tell you what, Dan, on the day that Alex Jones went to the Grand Canyon, nobody
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died.
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You don't know that?
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You don't know that for sure?
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Someone might have fallen?
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Why you gotta?
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No, that's what I'm saying.
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Oh.
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But on that day, they didn't.
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Like, people have fallen into the Grand Canyon.
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You don't know when.
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Plenty of people.
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You don't have any stats on that?
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There's tons of stats.
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We can reasonably assume that no one died that day.
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On that day.
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But I'll tell you who may have killed a guy.
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Who's that?
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This one's not great.
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No, technically, probably, could have, and did, Alex Jones.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
