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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding

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Hello Alex, I'm a person color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight

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I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Joe indeed

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We are Dan. Mmm, Dan. What if you were just just some fucking guy?

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Just like taking a motorcycle ride from the East Coast to the West Coast sure inner inner continental across

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The continent I use the wrong word intra continental, right?

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Or whatever. Uh

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You derailed the whole thing Dan. Who are we? I know a lot about Alex Jones. I don't know anything about Alex

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Yeah, we got to get a new introduction to this show. Yeah, this one's getting this one's getting unwieldy. I'm tired of it

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Too I feel like you were tired of it based on you having to do all the heavy lifting of it

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Let me just respond to you

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With the same thing and also I think that I think that no law

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I mean the criticism has been levied that you do know a lot about Alex Jones and that's fairly accurate

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That's true

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That's true

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I think we need to even just change the introduction of we sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk about Alex Jones because

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At this point there are much more

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We're covering have evolved a long long way. I think that maybe

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Two years ago whenever we started this whole thing up about perfect intro about two years ago. I was a bit more

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mentally unwell

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Perhaps and I had a much bigger tolerance for listening to Alex Jones, right?

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And he wasn't nearly says a self flagellation kind of situation

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He wasn't nearly as awful as he is in the present and we know say awful

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I mean boring like I could still listen to his 2016 shit all day

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I wouldn't have a problem with that but something has changed and it's not as it's not as satisfying to me

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Anyway, it's very boring and a waste of my time and further as we've gone along

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I have come to the point where and we've talked about this here and there that the bigger revelation that we've learned

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from watching him and studying him is that like he is a piece of a larger ecosystem and

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this is really our bigger message I believe is that almost everybody who is a

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In a speaking role on the right is a con person. They're all trying to defraud people

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Yeah, that is the that is the name of the game

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He is a symptom of a bigger thing

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Right and as we go through like you might want to say the project Camelot isn't right-wing, but boy it is

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Yeah, there's that if you look at the the Venn diagram of guests who have been on both. Yeah

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Yeah, there's that end of it

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We've expanded it even more and I want to expand it to talk about other very very clear hucksters

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not to say that we're gonna leave Alex Jones or anything like that, but I feel like we're in this like I

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Don't I don't I don't feel like it's a holding pattern or anything like that

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But I feel like we're on the cusp of evolving into something new

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uh-huh, well not Lee not not abandoning what we have been but I

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Think I think I can speak for both of us and say that it's not pleasant to do episodes about the present day

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I I think what you just described is that we have outgrown the small pond that is Alex Jones's bullshit

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Maybe intellectually. Yeah. Yeah

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Again, that's not to say leave Alex in the dust because I still think he's the easiest person to know for sure

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illustrate a lot of these truths about but at the end of the day I need to

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In order for me to treat this like a job and to continue moving forward

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One of the things that I need to do is have some sort of intellectual exercise to it

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there needs to be some kind of rigor to it that makes it like challenging and and

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Compelling otherwise, I'm going through the motions of like oh, here's Alex saying something

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That's not true that we've talked about over and then we try and fill in the gaps by saying everyone should go to the Hague

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so

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what you're what you're basically saying is that as

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Alex has gotten more and more boring to you

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So has this job somewhat turned into a little bit of like a now of like a knowledge fight Starbucks or it's like really?

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I'm going in and I'm making coffee again. No, that's not fair the same fucking coffee. Oh, alright, that's not fair

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The show isn't that I still

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Think about this but his show but for yes for me to sit down and like listen to anything current

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It is that is a slog and it's just like why am I even doing we need to we need to bring you some?

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Fulfillment in life Dan. So my way this introduction

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I guess is my way of saying that as we move forward there may be I don't know there might be tweaks

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We haven't really had a conversation about exactly what we need to do

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No, we don't really have all fair meetings or anything

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But I do feel the knee and if you know

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I'm open to any input from listeners if anybody has any ideas, I would love to hear what you think we should become

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I'm not going to take your problem with you millennial podcast hosts. You're always talking about

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Fulfillment you're always talking about all this shit, you know the older generation of podcast hosts. They would go to work

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They would toil in their coal podcasts for eight hours a day talking about these go home to a wife

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They hate and they would fucking deal with it. Dan god damn Millennials. You're ruining the podcast industry

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I really could hear Adam Carolla saying that yeah

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Actually, yeah, I wish I was a farther away from what somebody might say in my day when I started

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Why don't people think I'm relevant anymore

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so anyway matter what we're gonna keep going full steam ahead as a as a show and

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Maybe you won't even notice the incremental changes that happen. Who knows just like creeping fascism exactly

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Yeah, so something that is not creeping is a new great. Give a shout a transition

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Thank you like give a shout out to a new donor. Thank you so much B. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you so much

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We appreciate it. Thanks me. Generally. I hate things that are bees as they scare me

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I little insects because they cuz it's stand by me. No, not my girl. Come on, man

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It's the sassy sister film. No, I think I got stung by a bee when I was really young and I assumed it hurt like

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That much. Uh-huh, but I was just a kid, you know, right things hurt more when you're a kid

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I imagined that like getting stung by a bee as an adult would almost incapacitate me, but I realized no

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I probably wouldn't be probably just be I was when I was a when I was a kid

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I was like five years old and this is a weird story about my dumb family thrilled thrilled to hear this

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I was playing like a little like a wiffle ball with my grandfather and I was like five years old and

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There was we had a basis system that was built around the trees

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And he decided that third base was the tree that had a giant beehive on it, but he didn't tell me that

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Boo, he knew about it. He specifically knew about this in advance. This is not an unheard of thing and he was like rank

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He's like no and he was like, yeah. Yeah, we're just gonna keep playing don't even worry about it

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Geez, so I hit the thing. I'm running around the bases touching third like a fucking baller

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Bee bam like three of them stung me right on the top of my head Wow. Yeah now that's a boring story

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That is however

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I learned that my grandpa at one point in time either knew how to make a poultice had heard of a poultice or

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Just put some shit into a boiling pan and then put it on my head. Okay. It was one of the weirder things

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I've ever she has exhibited zero down home country wisdom except for that except for one

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Poultice and thank God she was there. It has never been it. I swear to God it never happened before it has never happened afterwards

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I feel like if I knew how to make poultices, I would be doing that shit all the time

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I feel like you just want to say poultice. Oh, I can't stop saying it now

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Well, you'll have many opportunities on this episode

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Dan do you have a bug bite I don't if you did and I had poultice making abilities

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We would man covered that shit. It would be like Jack Spratt and his wife. Yeah

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So Jordan, like I said, we're not gonna be talking about Alex Jones today

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We're gonna be dipping our toe into another weird world and we all know we all know this guy

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We met him a little bit in a recent episode and here's an out-of-context drop from today's episode

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It does get weary raising money all the time because you just got to do it to pay the bills. Yeah. Yeah

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Yeah, that is rough Jim Baker

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Thanks, Jim. Wait, we really

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Boy, it does get weird. That's a boy

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That is the most ridiculous thing that you could say right as a rich dumbass fucking human being right?

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Absolutely as someone who most of your life is co-opting scripture and shit like that in order to get money

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Yeah, your primary motivation is getting the money. It's not really about the Christianity aspect of it

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So I imagine that would be tiresome

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Anyway, it's very wearing to do this job and I can't tell you what that job is because this job is scamming you by

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Asking you for money, but I wish I I wish I hadn't said the last part. Hey, it's tiring ass for money

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Ah, so today Jordan on our first venture into the world of Jim Baker and the new Jim Baker show

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We went over an episode where I had fellow Alex Jones guest Steve quail

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To give a sort of a concrete bridge between the Alex Jones show right the Jim Baker show, right?

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And today I have a different guest that will create more of a philosophical bridge

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Been jaker. Nope. Okay. Nope. Oh, that'd be great. If you just had an upside-down version of him

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Oh, but like a mr. Mixel place

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Or if yeah, yeah, or if you just came out like rainbow snatch. I

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could totally see him doing if he did like a

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count point counterpoint bit that

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Didn't

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Steven

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Colbert didn't call that where he would Steven him. Yeah. Well if he did that, that'd be fucking fantastic

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Yes, no

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Fantastic love it. Oh, man, that was some good parody

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It was good stuff didn't change anything. No, he really nailed it and so far it is still kept going

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I don't still just yelling no at each other

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Yep

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So here is where we start and we get the announcement of this guest who I'm almost certain you've never heard of but will

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Infuriate you to know me amazing if I do this personally

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What their announcer is their kid what yeah

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And also, holy fucking shit. Also co-host is putting it incredibly strongly

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Tabby Sue Baker doesn't say word one through this fucking thing. She's very silently just at the table

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But so do you know Paula White Kane or Jonathan Kane are no, I will start with John really unhappy about this whole

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She's she's the announcer the kid is the announcer for the show that so not always

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But she's there. Yeah, she's usually there but she's an adult

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So if I understand correctly

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She as an adult did not divorce her name from her parents name forever and ever in perpetuity

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No instead. She was brought back in like a

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Like returned to the dynasty of evil peddling well con men sure she becomes her own fucking mafia Don

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I'm sure below that wet her beak

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Yeah, exactly. Yeah on the the food bucket comes in. Oh gotta get that food bucket money

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So I'll start it's a year's worth of food every time she opens up her mouth and it only one time a show and she

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Says here are my parents

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So I I'll start with Jonathan Kane cuz this is gonna blow your goddamn

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Okay, Jonathan Kane doesn't talk much during this episode

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So we're not gonna talk extensively about him on a Christian show the man not talking does blow my mind a little bit

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Would you believe that Jonathan Kane is one of the main?

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members of the band journey

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He's not the arena know what yeah, yeah, you know what yeah, he's not gonna tell you this right now Dan

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Yes, he's not the original keyboard player, but he was the keyboard player during their main run

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So he wrote in credit on don't stop. So he's he's don't stop believe in Jonathan Kane

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Mm-hmm. Okay. All right, and they do have him play it live

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What yeah, they haven't sit down at a piano and play. I don't stop leaving. I'm like, come on

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He's not he's not the guy who sings. Here's a decent voice

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But well our Nell Pineda now or Steve Perry Steve's not coming to the show

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He was not going to that but it's really weird because it's like well, I mean, this is it. This is a guy

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This is like a like he's a yeah big. He has writing credits on most of their hits. I mean

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There's a difference between yes, he is rich as fuck. Yeah, okay

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That's what cuz I hope you're not saying that he's like a famous guy. He is

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Not in like terms of like

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Recognizability or anything like that, right?

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Most people don't know his name or couldn't pick him out of a lineup exactly

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But he's super rich and people who love journey know who he is

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So you probably could get a lot of backstage action and people love Jersey are really easy to get rid of

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To divorce from $40. That is what they I know about journey fandom

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It is that they will send $40 to just about anywhere

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I mean if I pay 40 bucks for tickets to see journey at this point back send 40 bucks in for food

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Oh, yeah, give me a year's worth of food or a shot at journey, whatever you got

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So I don't I don't know what his story is necessarily they talk about how he and Paula White Kane

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met and apparently they

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Something about they were on the same plane and she talked to him the whole time

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and I think from what I

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From what I can imagine. He probably was tired of the rock star life or something like that

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Maybe had some problems and she's a very strong woman. Let's say okay

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Commandeering perhaps she's a bit motherly

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Maybe I don't I wouldn't like that

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If she was my mother, I wouldn't like that at all. No, but I think that maybe she

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She corrected some of his the lifestyle issues that oh

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Did he even wait did he convert like is he? Oh, yeah. Oh, he's he's gone evangelical like he's born again

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Oh, yeah. Oh, he's that guy. Oh, yeah. Oh that guy's fucked

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Oh, yeah, that guy never had a chance and from what I can tell you still in journey so good for him

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But not for much longer after this. I mean this this was this is from 2017

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So yeah, it's a way it's a little ways back this appearance, but they also the only other thing

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I really know is they got married three times, which is they've a nice fun line

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It's like yeah, you know

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He said he was never gonna we were never gonna get married and then we married three times like that seems I don't know

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What that means we just had three wedding ceremonies. Oh, they love weddings. Oh, so oh no

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Well, then you just had you just got married once and then had three parties

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My prediction is that it's actually also Paula White Cane's third husband. And so maybe she was trying to undo the other ones

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Yeah, I've been married three times. I married you three times. She gets a redo. Okay. All right, I got to undo all that

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That's a loophole in the I did not expect and God's law. Yeah, even God's like shit. I didn't think of that

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So you don't know anything about Paula White Cane. I do not know anything about Paula White Cane who boy

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I do like saying Paula White Cane. It's not bad. So we'll get I don't know

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Let's see if you can have some context clues. You can pick up as we go along

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I don't worry. I don't like your Cheshire cat grin. Mm-hmm

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We're so grateful that you could come by. I know your schedules

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Extremely busy. Yeah

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Preaching last night till almost midnight

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Yes, so here you are here. You're catching a plane in another hour or so going somewhere else, but you have unbelievable

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Energy, we you know God is so good. It says he gives us boundless energy

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And I believe when we we really surrender, of course, we do the right things

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We we try to eat right and exercise and take care of our our self

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But also it's really the life of Christ in us and I've got to say how could I not come here?

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I am sitting with one of the greatest generals that God has ever raised

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The greatest rapist

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I'm a raper. I thank God

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I I have always the countless lives you paved the path for so many of us and sometimes people forget

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Really the significance and and who you are

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Spiritually, um, so what I think she's saying there that I find very interesting is like she you've paved the path

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I just wrote that down you've paved the path wrote that down so fast the moment

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She said that I was like, oh, we're in for a you guys are gonna fucking do your dance on us

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Well, because the path that he paved is a really lucrative business out of religion

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YEAH! YEAH!

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Of course he paved the path

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It has nothing to do with like some

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Joel Osteen isn't around if it weren't for this motherfucker right here

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Uh-uh

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So she is a televangelist and also adherent of the prosperity gospel

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Oh, what a surprise!

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So it's almost like they know each other. Yeah, and you know, of course

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So the the the the idea of you know

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You paved the path is that you you made it possible for people like me to scam millions of dollars from people

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Right and yeah on TV now, let's not lie

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Evangelicalism has been scamming millions upon millions upon millions of people

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It is scammed almost as many people as malaria has killed throughout Christianity's history

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Yeah, that's just that's just like you go back to the beginning man

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The revivalist tents of the early 1900s were fucking packed. It was insane

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Mm-hmm

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The yeah, it's it's ridiculous

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The Christianity is all scammed but these guys are so fucking good at it and they put on a good show

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They do a little dance. They do some singing then you got to worry about journey in the guy from journeys there

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Yeah, wait the guy from journey married a televangelist

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Uh-huh

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We got a really hammer this

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home for me, so

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You just got to let that go. I don't know if I can I don't understand people who married televangelists. It's very weird

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It seems suspicious

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But so she used to be the pastor of this this Tampa Church called without walls International Church

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And this story here from 2014 citing millions and liabilities without walls

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International Church is seeking bankruptcy protection a move a major lender asserts in court papers is an attempt to dodge a foreclosure judgment

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Yet the California-based evangelical Christian credit union says the Tampa mega church owes it

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$29,000,000 it calls without walls filing for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on March 5th

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They quote litigation tactic to prevent foreclosure on the West Columbus Drive Church

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And also a shuttered church in Polk County

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So at the time she was preaching the prosperity gospel and you know making tons of money

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From this this church right and then mysteriously somehow they're twenty nine million dollars in debt when she's living

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amazing lifestyle

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Jet setting it does seem odd. Well the prosperity that God is providing for as I can do at the church itself

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Wait, what's itself is like twenty nine million dollars in no, but that but the God wouldn't allow that church to go

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$29 in debt. It's the congregants fault. He appointed his very own credit union to lend her money

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Yeah, well, I mean, it's it's the congregation's fault that she had plenty of faith, but she was let down

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By the parishioners and the people who came to church and that's why the church would be able to be

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You know, that's why I'm going but well, she's doing quite well. Her faith is too good. Absolutely

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Okay

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So she and then she after that ended up running a church which he still runs now called the New Destiny Christian Center in Apopka

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Is that a near Orlando has that church been like are the proceedings still is it still litigated?

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Are they still fighting it out?

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Is she I don't know about that

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Is that even her real name anymore? Did she change her name and burn everything down like like Kaiser so say like what's going on?

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She's Paula White Cane. So look my point is more than like, you know, all right, we got the sort of traditional backstory of

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Of huckster preachers. Oh, yeah, who who end up wrecking everything in wake

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To their much like Trump bankrupting businesses and walking away with money or any of these abusive capitalist fucks

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Just like it says in the Bible

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Absolutely, so she has that in her in her background and that only makes it make crystal clear sense why this happens

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It seems like you're at the White House every day in fact

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We're on a little committee thing. Yes pastors and we call in

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And you're always on the phone from the White House, too. Yes, sir. I

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Am I try to make it up at least every week. We do sometimes I'm up there several times

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And you guys pray we know the world don't like praying but we love praying

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You know a lot of people our president loves prayer. I would never forget

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we were John wasn't doing a show still so I went to the Kennedy Center for the faith and freedom and I loved it because

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He went off script for a while and and he just said let me tell you something as long as I am president

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You will pray and you can always pray at your football games. You can pray in school. You can pray and I loved it

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Whoever thought of making prayer illegal no one I am

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Now not super much now not private. Yeah. Oh so illegal

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So it's like if I catch you praying

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Unless it's to any any of any number of gods

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Just just this one just whatever prayer you are saying to Jim Baker and Paula White's God illegal

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illegal

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Well, see here's the thing Paula White is maybe Trump's spiritual center

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I she is the one who gave him empty. She can morally and

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Bitches be empty. She gave the benediction at Trump's inauguration. She gave a really prayed at Trump's inauguration

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Really? She was one of the pastors that came and laid hands on him the photo ops and shit like that

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Pastor though. She's a con woman. Well, but that's part of it man. This is all like this is endemic

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This is the system that we have

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Operating right now the right-wing and especially, you know things like this this version of the right-wing is all

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Beholden to cons everyone's running cons. And so they work together on these cons. How can I elevate you?

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Well, you elevate me falsely it all it's it's all interconnected con people helping each other

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I think didn't we used to have a system where it was every con man for himself you we got fucked whenever they teamed up

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Yeah, they teamed up like a motherfucking blockbuster and they are running rampant on us

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They didn't realize that they could oceans 11 the world

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They you you did they went from politics or they started a religion or politics or whatever

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They just they just fucking expanded everywhere like a goddamn evil octopus

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Fucking crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it's wild. So one other problem is that and I mean this literally

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Paula White is a heretic

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Okay

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Like she was excommunicated from a church and shall be put to death as soon as possible ability

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I don't know about the death part, but she should be excommunicated because she's made many statements that deny the Nicene Creed

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Okay, which if you don't know is one of the foundations of Christian dogma

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I don't know I see in Creed and the the Apostles Creed are

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Foundations that pretty much every branch of Christianity follows. I only respect the Assassin's Creed Dan

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I understand that and I

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respect your

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black

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So the everything is permitted so the Nicene Creed goes

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Basically a little something like this

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We believe in one God the Father Almighty the maker of heaven and earth and things visible and invisible

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And in one Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God the begotten of Father and God the Father the only begotten

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That is the essence of the Father God of God light of light true God of true God

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Begotten and not made and of the same nature of the Father and by whom all things came into being in heaven and on earth

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Visible and invisible. So there's a lot more and this is the Armenian version, but it's the same as

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spiritually the same as the other versions which the

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Essence of the Nicene Creed comes down to the idea that Jesus Christ was the only Son of God

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He was of the same material as God right those things are incredibly important for every branch of Christianity

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It's pretty it's pretty big pretty much every branch of Christianity

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there's probably a couple examples that are way on the fringe really want to talk about how great that Jesus guy with ever without ever like a

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A what Jesus did was great later. Let's not talk about that though. Let's not apply what Jesus did to anything else

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He was great. Mm-hmm. Let's never talk about what he did

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So multiple times Paula White has made the statement that quote Jesus is not the only begotten Son of God

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He is the first fruit and things like that. How does that work? Well, it's meant to imply it's sort of like

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You're all Jesus. Well, here's are we going back to like the genetic line of Jesus's? No

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Okay, it comes back to cons

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Okay, cuz first fruits is an idea that people from the prosperity gospel in the evangelical world really abuse

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They have this especially Paula White. She does this all the time this idea that first fruits belong to God

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So she encourages people who watch her shows to give their first month salary of the year to the church

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because you give a sacrifice of the first fruits and that assures a more plentiful harvest for the rest of the year because you know

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God's gonna provide for you if you provide for the church

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So even the phrasing that she's using in these times when she's talking about Jesus wasn't the only Son of God

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He was the first fruit that was God offering the first fruit as sacrifice in order to have a more plentiful harvest later

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which would imply that there are more sons of God which is a direct counter to the Nicene Creed and

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Is part of the heresy that the Council of Nicaea came together to correct, right?

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So all of this stuff like she is

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Way outside Christianity. Yeah. Yeah, like even even with like even within the prosperity gospel

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Which is way outside of Christian only Creflo a dollar would be heretical

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Nah, like it's one thing to lust after money so much that you make it this overt about like, you know

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Give me all this money and blah blah blah. You show up on Jim Baker's fucking show

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It is wearing to ask for so much. Absolutely. So tired. It's so tired. Oh, but that's you know

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It's it's super important. Like a lot of people have written about this about how like

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it's so

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offensive that Trump would have her give the give the prayer began and even like Christian folk are like if

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He had a Buddhist or a Hindu person or a Muslim give a prayer that is not offensive

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What is offensive is someone who believes in a heretical version of Christianity, right?

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Presenting themselves as Christians. Yeah in in a way that like is

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Dangerous to the the faith of the church. No, Alistair Crowley gave my

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Benediction whenever I was baptized perfectly fine. Totally fine. No problem. There's only one true law

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It's good good prayer

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So this this is a bit of a problem. Yeah, this is a bit of a problem. Holy shit, Paula White

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She is a heretic who has apparently so bankrupted churches, right? And now

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is Trump's favorite preacher and

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I don't know why they would see a lot of themselves in each other. Hmm kind of like game-recognized game

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It's a little bit like that. So in this next clip, she talks about how she's been friends with Trump for a really long time

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I don't like that either and man, I'll tell you what you might not know this Trump loves prayer

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I've known our president for 16 years. I'm sure we'll get into that but in 2011 to show you that's next question

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Yeah, sure to show you that the the how much our president loves prayer

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2011 by this time I've had an extended relationship with them. He calls me up and he says Paul

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I'm thinking about running for president

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He said would you bring some men and women of God to really pray I need to hear from God

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Now he wasn't saying bring them around because I want to vote or I want this

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He said I really want to hear so I brought about you

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You know, we went in and we we just we stayed for six hours

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Praying talking about God

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Praying talking about what our where our nation was praying six hours. It's back in 2011

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So the next day he calls me up. He says

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What do you think God's saying? I said, I don't believe it's time. I said, let's keep praying

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Because he had to make a decision within 24 hours that affected some things with the network and some

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Doing and so he continued to pray and he said Paula just have the prayer groups

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Pray and what he was asking was I really want to do what God has for me. So

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We should talk a little bit about 2011

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So Trump did Trump did really play around with running for president 2011

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Oh, yeah, I recall played around with running for president since he was like nine

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Yeah in an article from the Guardian quote in a statement

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He said quote after considerable deliberation and reflection have decided not to pursue the office of the presidency

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this decision does not come easily or without regret especially when my

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Potential candidacy continues to be validated by ranking at the top of the Republican contenders and polls across the country

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Nice nice way to end it in spite of Trump's claims about being front-runner in the polls one published Monday by Politico

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And George Washington University showed 71% of those surveyed thought he had no chance of becoming president

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simpler time

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Much better much better in 2011 Donald Trump got roasted on Comedy Central by such comedy heavyweights and real-life Donald Trump

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Friends as Snoop Dogg Larry King and the situation from Jersey Shore

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Also, it happened didn't also Trump was a real asshole during that roast

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This is from someone who was there behind the scenes information quote Trump complained that the woman he was supposed to hand his coat

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To on stage wasn't hot enough

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He demanded the jokes implying he's not as rich as he says he were were off-limits

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Roasters were told to refer to him only as mr

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Trump hair jokes were also apparently off-limits until one was written that managed to tie in his wealth into the punchline and even then

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The net worth used in the joke became a negotiation. He was a complete shithead. All right, doesn't sound like a man of God

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This lady I give my coat to isn't hot enough. Yeah, but that's

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But he was talking in spiritual terms. You could feel that she wasn't praying that much Dan. That's possible

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That was either she or her herb heat for God

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Cold interesting theory. Oh, that's a pot. I need a godly matron to hand me my coat when I walk up there

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I want a woman wearing

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I'll be goddamn if it isn't

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Fucking shit. What's the show? What are you talking about? The roast Handmaid's Tale? Oh Handmaid's Tale

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That's what I was that's what I was reaching for. Sure

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It also funny that it's Snoop Dogg was one of the people who roasted him and now in the present day Alex Jones screams

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About Snoop Dogg making that video where he puts a gun to Trump's head and the bang flag comes out

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Yeah, isn't it funny that it's kind of like oh everyone's just this is all fake

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I think it's funnier that Snoop Dogg hosts a game show. I think he's hosted a few has he I use very car

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Charismatic never watched one. I kind of want to so also in 2011

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that was the year when President Obama and Seth Meyers humiliated Donald Trump at the

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Correspondents dinner and a lot of people believe that's what motivated him to try and run for president in earnest

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I don't know if I necessarily believe that 100% but it fits its attraction

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It's something that a lot of people seem to believe

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also

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I don't know

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This is so stupid the idea that he's like I just need everybody to pray back in 2011

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And like we know what he was doing in 2011. This is all bullshit and

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No, let's talk about what he would have done in 2011

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First of all, he was never gonna run because he knew Barack Obama was gonna fucking win against anybody

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Yeah, he didn't want to be humiliated by losing in that election the reason if only he had no

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I don't think any amount of cheating could have

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Bolstered now he would he would have gone down that one in the social media infrastructure

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They had probably wasn't nearly as good as it needed to be in order to sway people as well as it did

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But Trump in 2011 talked about dreamers on Fox and Friends quote you have people in this country for 20 years

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They've done a great job. They've done wonderfully. They've gone to school. They've gotten good marks. They're productive separate them from their parents now

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We're supposed to kick them out of the country. Yeah, I don't believe in that. Yes you do. I

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Mean does now yeah. Well, he spent another six years watching Fox and Friends having this crazy broad

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exactly

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So this this story she just told is complete fabrication. I mean, I bet there's no way any of this is true

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I don't know each other

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I don't think he knew has an attention span that he according to every report. We've heard from his

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Outgoing staff it's like he has an attention span of hi Trump

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And then he runs away and scurries under a hole in Christ his dementia might not have been as bad seven

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Well, that's possible. That's possible. That's that's a element to consider possible

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But then also like yeah, I think I think most of the fundamentals of this are the embellishment of

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Televangelism. Yeah, I don't think I don't think this is true at all. I think it's like I have my horse here

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I have my guy that is my guy and I'm going to do everything I can in order to create this backstory where we're intimately

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involved and he's been on the right side of things forever right because if I don't I have to wrestle with the fact that I

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Have chosen to take this con man and believe all these positive things about him when the evidence is all to the contrary, right?

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And in 2011, he didn't even believe in the principles. I'm thrilled. He's enacting now

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Yeah in terms of what you do with with immigrants and the but what she's got to rely on is the rules of

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The code she's got the con man's code as long as she's helping him out

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Yeah, he's gonna corroborate whatever dumb shit. She says yep. This doesn't even matter like oh, yeah

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Yeah, no, we we prayed for seven hours. Wait, did she say six? It was ten hours. It doesn't fucking matter

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She probably just didn't realize she was in a prayer train. Yeah, this is a few hours

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Imaginary Televangelist bullshit, but of course it is. They're all liars. This is such a lie though. It's so bleak

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Why do you expect three from liars? How do you buy this?

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Who are these people? It's pretty crazy. So at this point Paula goes on to talk a little bit

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So

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Paula wants to she's in the middle of a story here. The rest of the story isn't really all that important

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It's kind of just more about praying with Trump and stuff like that

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So you'll notice that it's a little bit jarring we come in in the middle of the story

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But the only thing that's really important is what she says at the end

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Which is one indication that everyone should be like this person is nuts and then within minutes, right?

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He calls in and he says send Paula out to pray

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So now I'd already been praying for six hours because the Lord said you're going to lay hands on him

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And so we go in of course

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Melania Barron and some others were around him and the family and I just started praying him and I'm just telling you

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Given why I'm gonna say what I'm what I'm gonna say what I did. I said prophesying I started speaking prophetic declarations and praying

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They made a cut there too in the video that Jim Baker put out they just went to applause and then him changing the subject

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I don't know. I don't know if she so she may have said what prophecies she said and then they cut it

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So people so it looked like people were clapping that she had done it in the first place

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Not what she had prophesied was like and this guy

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I believe that Trump is going to make this a whites only nation and then everybody clapped but in the broadcast you can't clap

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I mean, yeah, you can't let her say that part

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I don't know if she ever gives any specifics on the prophecy stuff and I know that she does talk about one thing

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I don't know if I have the clip of it here

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But she talks about how like when she came to God when she was a wee 18 year old or so

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Oh, I think I think that's her backstory after she heard don't stop believing for the first time heard those soft keys

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Also, he has a writing credit on faithfully that's pretty exciting

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But anyway, oh man, there's a clip

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there's a clip that I don't have because it was from a different video that they put out but

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Lori Baker is talking about how back when she she she apparently has a real rough backstory. Oh, yeah

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She has a she did some drugs in the pose. So she's also born again. She's born again. Yeah

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Yeah, and so like she's talking about how they used to listen to journey and she's talking about like, oh no back in that day

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I was living wild we had like drug paraphernalia on the tables, but we would be we would be up late

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We would be up late with our drug paraphernalia

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But even though even though we were doing drugs we would still turn on Christian TV sure sure

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Sure, and like I can relate to that. Yeah, you can enjoy that as long as you're doing drugs

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It's the one you're not doing drugs and you put that on that you're in real trouble

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Well back when I was like first started smoking weed me and my buddies what we would do is we would try and sync up

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Music to this guy. I don't remember his real name, but isn't it? We called him the Rev

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He was a televangelist in central, Missouri, right and he was very like he did a lot of hand gestures and stuff like that

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Yeah, yeah

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So we tried to find music that would sync up perfectly with him so we could mute him and watch him dance to see now

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That's great. Yeah, so I mean I get it we would do that. I don't think that's what I don't understand

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Why drugs are illegal period?

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What should be illegal is whatever it is

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She's doing drugs that make whatever she's doing impossible to look at. Yeah, I'm fine with so when she was younger

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She had a prophetic vision that she said God gave her. Yes, and that was that she was going to be on all continents

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And that whenever she would speak

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People would be saved and miracles would happen

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But if she closed her mouth all the evils of the world would would happen and shit like that

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So basically just like a sort of a allegorical explanation for why she doesn't shut up

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All right, listen, I know I don't mean this to be like this this lady is mouthy

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No, I know. That's the problem. The problem is she has got a spot where it's it's hard to attack her without

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Something without dipping into the misogynistic language. I'm not I'm not I'm not on board with any of that

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But I will say anybody wants to go listen to these episodes

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Please go for it and then feel sad for me trying to edit this stuff together

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Yeah, or like trying to find points where I can stop it because like she doesn't ever stop talking

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Uh-huh. She just takes little breaths and then goes to new thoughts. It is just a rambling like it's clearly she's on something

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Okay, she's probably on Adderall or something. Right? Right. Just like well, she's got a long flight. She's traveling a lot

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She's got to do some uppers right turns out that her husband is the guy from journey

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So she knows a guy like it's no big deal. There's pressured speech elements, dude. It's yeah, it's it's wild

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so now I I believe that I have thoroughly called myself out at this point for the

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Minimal and unfortunate slight misogyny that I expressed by saying like this broad earlier, but hey, hey look

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This is set up for the next clip, right? Okay. All right, so I apologize for that if anyone's offended

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But you should be more offended by this

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Some of the ladies especially men to need this book every I don't know why I'm

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Really feeling this thing with women today. They need it because that

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Obedience. Yes, that's my whole life. Yes, sir. I

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That's what I've been saying. Yes, sir to God and if you if if you if you

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People say why does God use you Jim? You're so fumbly bumbly and old and every God uses me because I say yes all the time

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Yeah, that's all that's all

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That's all that's all but that was that obedient to me and your minute you hear it. Yes. Oh, I love it

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I didn't know that we're going ahead now. Let's oh, yeah. Yeah, that's cringy. Oh my god

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This hurts me physically this this hurts every part of the way the way they speak. Yeah

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I actually kind of like how Jim speaks don't I hate it every time I see there's something cute about his vocal pattern

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Every time he speaks I believe less in God like if if if God was real

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He would shut that mouth. He brought up and let Pollock white talk. Yeah, shut up Jim. Yeah

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Look, I I understand what you're saying the what I'm more interested in as a whole is

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boy, I

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Got real red flags whenever con men preach obedience

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No, not always that always seems to me like hey, maybe you just want people here's malleable and your every

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I just feel like women should really listen to this and some men too

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But I think women really should read your book because it's that obedience

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That's that's what women don't and some men too, but women don't understand

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Obedience, I don't know why I'm women don't understand obedience. Do you hear me?

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Jeremy sue

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Yeah, I mean there's there's something that you can't get away from that's really there that you're expressing why I'm feeling it

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I don't know why I'm feeling like telling women what to do so much today

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So she the book that she wrote is about Esther

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No, that's not good. And well, that's a blank slate

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We'll get to that here in a second when she gets to it

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But it's important that she's like really idolizing Esther and being like we need to raise up Esther's. Yeah, that's not a good idea

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Why don't you choose Ruth? Yeah. Anyway, yeah, I think we both know why she doesn't choose. We'll get to that in a little bit

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But first Paula White wants to tell you a little bit about what kind of man Donald Trump is

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It's a good man, and she knows it because of a couple

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Really innocuous details about his behavior and one of the best ways that I can describe him is if he says I'm going to be

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There at 12 o'clock. He will be there at 12

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I can tell you the story just like Mark Burnett will of Wednesday Mark Burnett came in and and and he says he's pitching

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you know, he's got the survivor and he's pitching the show called The Apprentice and

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He says to him he pitches it and and now President Trump then. Mr. Trump shakes his hand

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This isn't when he takes it and he shakes his hand. He says deal

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But I can't tell the amount because it wasn't nearly what he'd be making later

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And he says yes, and even Mark Burnett's told this to a certain degree and afterwards

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I was in his office not many, you know months and after that

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And he's told me the story they call his agent and he's with a big

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You know one of the big agencies and there's two basically William Morris and CAA and he's with the big agency

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He's like, no way! It's a killer, don't do it, you can't do it, and he says to his agent, but I shook his hand

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You're not hearing what I'm saying. Yes, but I shook his hand

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Yes, and the agent the expert saying don't do this. This is absolutely disaster

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It's it didn't turn out to be too disastrous

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I know. Seemed like you know, he said don't do this. He said but I shook his hand

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So he's punctual and loves a handshake

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Great. President! Because I know a lot of contracts that he's not honored, you know

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Historically. No, but he didn't shake his hand Dan. Right. There's a lot of contractors and stuff that haven't you know

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He hasn't paid. Yeah, but they didn't shake his hand. Right. I think that those are that's more important though

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The handshake of a contract. Right, but they didn't physically shake his hand. It doesn't count

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I understand that. God can't read English Dan. He didn't invent that shit. That's a good point

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He doesn't know as long as you write it in English. God can't

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Follow up on it. You're right. He's like, okay

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We'll translate it back into ancient Sumerian and then we'll figure it out from there. But for Christ's sakes

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Yeah, I should have also I think God says that all the time, but you can't take away. For Christ's sakes! Fine

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You can't take away his punctuality though. You can't take away his punctuality. That's a man who knows how to be on time

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This is how I would describe him. He's on time

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Cool

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Awesome. It is a sincere talent. There's no there's no equivocating

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I can make. It is a sincere talent to make a guy being on time one time

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That story into a like and this is what kind of a great man

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He is. He can go somewhere and you will say to him

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We should meet at 12 o'clock and he will meet you at 12 o'clock now

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Can you imagine a man who can do something like that? And the way she says it you're like, I guess I can't?

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I can very easily. I would argue that like when you pull out punctuality

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That means you're having a tough time coming up with good attributes. Oh, no, he was he was on time. That seems like a really low

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low scale

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Sort of good character trait. No, look, okay. So yes, he was not warm

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He did not particularly enjoy my or I his company

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He kept talking about not wanting to rent to black people, right?

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He would he really really wanted us to shut up when we were praying after our our sex

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He kept talking about jeans. He did talk about jeans a lot

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He really mentioned how white he was and how white he wished everyone blood. He's really German

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But you know what? That's not bad because now he's blaming the Germans for not taking advantage of another Holocaust

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But he's on time was on time like the trains in Germany. He was on time, right?

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Those were in those were in Italy right all over the place. I

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Know a lot of trains on time. It was Mussolini made the trains run on time. So did Hitler

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Anyway, there you go any authoritarian leader loves trains anyway, uh Jordan and so does Ayn Rand trains are a big part of fascism

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And it seems that way so Jordan

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We know one thing what's that?

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Is it Jim Baker's got a lot of products that he likes to push or at least years worths of them?

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So we talked a bit about the food buckets on the last episode, which will never not delight

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We don't learn anything more about the food buckets today, but he does do probably a 10-minute

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Irresponsible commercial for a water bottle. Hey, I know what you're saying. What are we gonna do?

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We have all of this food, but clothes right? Well, let me tell you something if you send in

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$700 we will give you one

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Buckets of clothes. That's not bad, but you get it now

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We will give you a second buckets of clothes somehow you still have to add water to make the clothes

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very weird

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dehydrated clothes

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Just pairing a white wine with these. So we got a water bottle commercial on this show

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They do a very long commercial for this water

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And this is what I would describe is probably the most irresponsible part of it

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because if anybody else does what they do, I think there's a chance they'll get sick and

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This is very dangerous. Don't do this

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Do you remember going into the rain for into the rain forest and they said do not drink the water

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We didn't know that absolutely do not drink. There was big signs that said absolutely

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Drink the water, but we read the signs after we drank the water from our water

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So he just dipped his bottle right in the water

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Yeah, we did and here he sits we sat in the rainforest in a little we have picture little place with a roof on it

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You know like a picnic thing and we ate our lunch there

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We packed and everything and they we drank our water from our bottom non drinkable water

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If I think he's gonna be dead right now if these bottles weren't good

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They said there's pesticides and all types of nasty things inside there. We just drank right from it

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Well, it's a proven testimony that the bottles do work. Oh, they

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Everything that they say show makes they sell a big amount in

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Japan there. They have great hopes that all over the islands in the in the in

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Armies, this is the number one bottle that

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armies

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Use why the hell did you drop that thought about Japan? And then why did that guy say I'd hope so. Yeah, I know

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Is that a stereotype amongst white supremacist Christian evangelicals that I didn't know that the Japanese water don't drink enough clean water

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I'm guessing if I had to guess I don't know this, but I'm just guessing it has to do with Fukushima

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That's what I would guess. I'm guessing that they believe that all water is unclean and radiated

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Or something like that. That's my because I can't think of any other reason

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I don't think it's gonna go back to Nagasaki or something. No, that's way too far back

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even if it's just like a random aside like I

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Like to imagine it now as more of like whenever you buy a movie ticket and somebody's like hey

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Enjoy your show and you're like, yeah you too and you're like

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That doesn't make any sense that to me. Sounds like he was just trying to guys saying I'd hope so

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He was just trying to agree in whatever possible way. He could hope and then it just got weird. It's very weird

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I don't know, but don't do that. Don't hey, you know what? I

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Specifically hope the Japanese are using these if everybody else I am ambivalent about but the Japanese

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Better be using these water bottles. Oh

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I would also just like to say a public service announcement unless you have to don't do this with Amazon water

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Don't ever do that. Don't do this with any water. You don't need to do that with okay

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So probably very competent to getting out like, you know normal pollutants of water that you have with like, you know

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People who have Brita filters and shit like that. It's probably very competent on that level. Don't trust it to take poisons

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Here's here are our examples. We have

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One story from a group of known liars and hucksters interesting

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And we also have a financial interest in this life. That's true. Yeah, and then we also have

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I don't know like naked and afraid if you don't even want to leave your house to find out how terrible

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Bacteria in your water can destroy you. It's dangerous. Go ahead and watch Discovery Channel for a while

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You'll never drink water again. That shit's gross unless you're in Japan in which case you better drink that water drink the water

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It's like the reverse of that Dave Matthews song

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Do drink the water?

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There's no blood in the water

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so

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This commercial interruption Paula wasn't there for it. I guess it was probably pre-taped and they just dropped it in. Mm-hmm

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And so now we get back to Paula white

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If I was on the show and they started doing that water commercial and the guy

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Jonathan Cain was there I'd just be like, yeah, man. It's like there's a lot of smoke on this water

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You know what? I'm talking about Jonathan Cade from journey. That's deep purple

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Oh smoke on the water. Yeah, but that's my point. I would just be fucking with him the whole time

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Okay, every song every classic rock song every fucking one throw it into his face is any any or any reference as possible?

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I was I was trying to come up with a way to bring in lights

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If I drank this water me and my stomach would have to go separate ways

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Oh

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Man I don't need you know instructions to know how to drink water

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What was that a foreigner?

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Never mind. It was not a big hit. I know no instructions. No fuck off. No, no fine, whatever

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All right. All right. All right. Now now my classic rock is good. The boys are back in town and they brought water filters

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If the boys are gonna drink water you better let them

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All right, okay

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And she says some stupid shit. I mean, what are you gonna do? I need to ask you

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How can the praise always get what you want clean water

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We

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Stand

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the hatred and the pressure

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Everything he says they turn it around. Yeah

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Never been hatred like that. Never president never in my life. See they want to trip him up. They asked for him to be assassinated

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even

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Take it further, right

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I'm gonna take these because we're not wrestling against flesh and blood and there are people right now

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That are sending hate mail to me right now that are gonna say I can't believe you say this

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But you've got to recognize what the real deal is, especially if you are a Christian right now

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You have a responsibility that Jesus Christ gave you the infallible word of God and told you that you are not wrestling

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against flesh and blood but against principalities against powers

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She says principalities about 25 times. She says principalities a lot. Yeah

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against darkness against witness wickedness and so, you know the quadrants of the enemy and the

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Principalities are going crazy because principalities want to control

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Nations by controlling a person and principalities cannot control this man because he surrounds himself with Christians

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He is a Christian

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He loved prayer and like John said he is fierce he has a fortitude

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He has an inner strength, but no man could withstand in the natural know this kind of pressure

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So I'm gonna take it a step further. We've got to pray

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I mean not just pray but fervently pray men ought to always pray and not faint

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We have a responsibility whether you like him or don't like him

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You can't sin in God's Word and not be responsible to pray for those who are in positions of authority

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It is our god-given mandate. It is our

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Responsibility you've got to pray the will of God to be done for him and through him

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You've got to pray in alignment not so low still goes if you pray soulless prayers

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They're gonna backfire and come back on you. This is Whitney Houston holding the note at the end of the bodyguard band

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This is this is long. No, but see that's what I'm saying

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I wanted to leave all that there to give a little bit of a that's most of the show

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Whoa her taking those little breaths and like keeping going and just being like that

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But with just random as that's principalities

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She quadrants that is soulless soulless prayer. That is Alex prayer. That's Alex Jones. It is

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That's exactly what Alex 100% 100% all wrestle with flesh and blood. We wrestle with demons

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Yeah, then sure Brian brings in these code words that supposedly mean something quadrants of the enemy

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You know the quadrants

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Paladins can't take over Trump 34 year old men. You've got the elderly you've got what are the four quadrants again?

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Those are the ones that are important for selling movies, right?

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That's right. She's so talking in TV production and marketing. She's so talking in marketing and TV production

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You know the quadrants of the enemy are the markets that we don't tap into exact

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Those are the ones who don't give you any money. So fuck them. Yeah, I think that's kind of the subtext pretty much

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Yeah, maybe all of this. Yeah, I think I think that's it's weird that she's giving up

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The like she's not even bothering to to be better at hiding that she's talking about

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TV like everything she's talking about she's not even bothering interesting

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I wonder I wonder if Ryan develops you should at least try to be like I am not talking about hitting a

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Targeted audience of people who are both afraid of black people and also believe in a bull

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version of Christianity, you know the demographics of our enemy, they are in the

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Non white males

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Look look out amongst yourselves in this audience you old white people all all of you

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We know the demographics were against. Hey, look at you old white people

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Hey all those old white people out there choose any demographic you're against. Guess what?

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Ah, that's the ones we're against bad quadrant turns evidence about all of them

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So, you know how Alex Jones?

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And all of these people put on victimhood as a sort of a suit of armor dude Trump when she said that

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Trump is withstanding a level of criticism that

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No, man could withstand in the natural people fucking lynched Obama in effort

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I was gonna say have set it on fire

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Were they I I mean I get why they don't remember that and that's because they don't want to doing it. They don't

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Or

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She herself had a lynched Obama

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Emoji on her home and then she's like no man could withstand this

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They're very keenly aware whether they want to admit it or not that the people who do support them are

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Largely of that ilk. Yeah, and it does them no favors to admit that so you pretend that piece of history didn't happen

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No one has any that's a small piece of history. Think about the president's who have actually been killed. Oh, yeah

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Like who I can't think of any shit

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You know, I will tell you who did it though the quadrants that we are against

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I'll tell you that's who killed those presidents except for the one that killed that one guy who was against slavery

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Mmm, that was the quadrant that we were super. Let's not talk about those quadrants. Those quadrants are great though

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So do you know what? It's not just presidents that are under attack

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It's people of God

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Like yeah, like Jim Baker. Yes

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I'm standing up for for Trump. Mr. Pastor Trump

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President Trump

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It was in it I was it I was in a warfare physically I've been physically beat down

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I mean just still I thought I was gonna die and then I got injured

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that

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From one of the Watchers, but who watches the watchers want to they said if you don't stop

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We're gonna destroy you

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what and

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They got a hold of one of the members of my family

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And told him so you tell your dad. Yeah

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He'll never preach again. He'll never and I had to decide

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By the way, I know he's trying to be vague because the story isn't true

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But he just sold out Tammy Sue real hard cuz he said your dad. Yeah, and

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I you know what I've come to

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Know what he's really talking about is one of the many kids that are not his

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Legitimate kids who are like hey for real. I'm

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I'm here

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Could you please and he was like, ah, you're not real that get out of here. You're one of the watchers

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We'll get into the details in a second

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He'll never preach again. He'll never and I had to decide and

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You know what? I've come too far. Thank you to turn back. Thank you for not

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This is the reason I was born this is you know and

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America needs God

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we're in deep trouble and

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This this is I don't I don't think there's another chance

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I think it's over if we don't allow a great global awakening and it's got to be a couple global

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But I mean they don't I don't think that they have the same

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stupid

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Ideas about globalists and shit like that

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But yeah, what do you what do you think about Jim Baker being threatened my dude? Um to me what that sounds more like is

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While he was doing time

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Uh, he had himself a thought experiment of like, okay

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well, I'm doing time for all the crimes that I committed and

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I can either like get a job as like a guy and just

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Have a job or I can just keep on doing them crimes, but doing better. Mm-hmm

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That's what I'm hearing and I'm hearing him say I

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I don't like working at Macy's so I'm gonna keep doing them crimes. I don't I don't want to end up

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like some

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You know some celebrity some minor celebrity who ends up working at Starbucks. Yeah

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Well, what's that Jim Baker the Walmart greeter? Fuck that time for me and God to ride for the money, right? Right

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I can't remember his name, but one of the WCW announcers one of the old awesome

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WCW announcers works at a Starbucks now, really? Yeah, and it's like one of those Jim Baker would never do that. He would sooner

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Started night sooner started doomsday cult which he has done. I

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Mean or at the very least he would sooner go back to jail for the same crimes that he has already committed, right?

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But he knows that he doesn't have to go to jail as Trump is an office as long as Trump is in office

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He is a free man. You will get a part in

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Oh, yeah, anything goes for the pettiest of reasons. So I told you that Paula White has written this book about

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About Esther and what I think is more important is I don't know if she likes Esther as much as she hates another

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Character in that story, but she gets into in this next clip. Let me tell you something

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Vashti is easy to be replaced because Vashti who is married to the king

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Vashti and this is what people don't recognize you say what is God doing?

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Vashti did not serve purpose and because she did not serve purpose when the king and it seems all this is silly

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But he shouldn't have asked this it doesn't matter the king asked her to dance the king asked her but because she could not be

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obedient to what was asked of the king because sometimes we think well we want to do it and we we

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Negotiate with God if the king asks you to do something and you do it if the king asks you to stand up and just take

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Your show and to be in support of President Trump

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It doesn't matter if people troll you if people lie about you if people hate on you if people leave you it doesn't matter

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Because if God be for you then who can be against you because God

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That's where we are looking for someone who will say yes to God's agenda to the king's agenda

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And so what it was it doesn't matter if you if you understand the instruction of the king

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It doesn't matter it matters if you are obedient because God

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Vashti could be replaced because she wouldn't serve purpose

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So God finds this young girl Esther whose name literally means myrtle tree myrtle trees come from the bottom

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It means you've come from bottom places. It's overlooked. It means God will raise you up

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So she just rambles a whole bunch, but she hates Vashti

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It's interesting cuz I don't I don't care to talk about the entire story of the book of Esther or anything like that

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But I would like to talk about

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Vashti a little bit. Oh, yeah

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She was a character

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Who if I recall correctly?

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Said no to a man and was thus appropriately punished for it in the time

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Well, the reason that she said no was she was the queen

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Of Aswaris the king of in Persia he

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Look the issue is that the translation the scholars who study it the understanding of the story is that

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The king got drunk and he called people to bring her to dance in her crown

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And the understanding of the text is that meant that he wanted her to dance naked

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Yeah in front of them, which is an incredibly inappropriate request for someone to make of the Queen

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Even if you're the king usually back then in that culture, especially it's incredibly inappropriate

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period so she said no and then was Esther came in and was

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Was a replacement once again a great story about dudes. I would argue that

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This is a bad story about obedience

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I

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Look ladies ladies what I'm just trying to tell you what I'm telling you about

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What I want to do and obedience is that when the king tells you to do something you do whatever it is

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Just like when my husband asked me to do something. I don't do what the fuck

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He tells me to do because fuck him. I'm not in journey. You don't tell me what to do

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Anyways, Esther she did whatever was asked of her dance naked in the crown. It doesn't fucking matter women

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Do whatever you're told to do

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People people who have studied it again

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I just need this to be incredibly clear in the time in the context of it. This is an

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outrageously inappropriate request for a king to be making of a queen and

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The idea that she said no like we know why he wanted her to come dance naked one humiliation

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Yep, dude to give his friends a boner. Yep, or to make his friends jealous or something any of those motivations

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There is no higher purpose to that come dance naked for me and my drunk friends

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God asked her to do it though, Dan

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No, he didn't but he did he didn't the king asked her God appointed the king king's gods

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Boom, she was a Zoroastrian. Yeah

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Well, she didn't even know about the God that she was supposed to be listening to and that's another issue for me

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She should have known Zoroastrian

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Yeah

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But that's not important the important part is that God of a different faith whom that guy didn't know

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appointed him king right to do shit the way that he said he should do it and

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What was my point again? I don't know. No, I think that I think that the idea here which I think is very dangerous

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especially in a modern world

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Is that what she's what she's advocating for is you say yes to this obviously?

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inappropriate confusing

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Humiliating request from the king because then you'll be able to stay around and maybe have some influence later

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Which makes me think Trump has had some really fucked up requests for her. I'm not saying dance naked or anything like that

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I'm not I'm not my mind isn't in the gutter or anything like that

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No

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The idea of shady business deals the idea of she knows shit that she's not saying that sort of thing

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You keep your mouth shut and then you'll have the ear of the king

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Absence sort of thing that mentality if that's the lesson that she's getting from Vashti and Esther's story

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I think you like beyond even the heresies that she's guilty of I think you have a really warped and dirty

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The version of Christianity that you know when you're you're peddling a dangerous version

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You do it you can run up on them like a bitch. Yep you do it. Yeah, you can move on

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I'm like a bitch. No big deal. You're the king. The other thing too is that I need to make this point crystal clear

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It's all about this idea of obedience

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That trend is not a accident on this show

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There's the the show is so much about like

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Quizzical obedience obedience that you don't even understand why you're obeying that sort of thing is

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Very important to people with this sort of an agenda. Yeah this sort of this message that they want to put

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I remember it in youth group. I remember it in church

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I remember it all the time and we'll get to the payoff of that here in a second. Yeah, but first

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Man

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Paula's about to say something really scary and then Jim is about to I think make the audience really uncomfortable

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We were not sent into this earth to fit in or

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Or just said we won't just sit here to be apart. We were sent here to take over. Are you listening? That's

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the church

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That's why we have the president we have he doesn't fit

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Amen, he's not a normal president

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Amen, and here's the woman who is from the bottomlands. Yes, but God has raised her up

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So real quick before we get into the rest of this now Jim has stood up and the yes

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There's a there's a thin line between excitement and discomfort going on in the audience

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Because Jim I don't think stands up very often. No, I doubt it

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The spirit is really getting to him with this Paula right because he knows that she has the ear of the president and also that

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She is one of the big mega church televangelist preachers

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Like he this he's not slumming it here hanging out with Paula

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This is like he's looking up to her right now

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This is like what I would describe it as like, you know on a podcast like when Jimmy Pardo had Paul Reiser on

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We got this guy to come into the show. This is very exciting. Yeah, Jim is really excited that Paula's there

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Yeah, and I think he's gonna he's trying to preach a little bit in order to impress her. He's out of the game though

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Mmm, he's not he's not at her preaching levels. He's not doing ten sets a night

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So he's standing up now and yelling at the audience to the White House

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to the walls

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Time and time again, yes, she now can walk into the White House any time she wants to

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She has full access

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To in the Bible days the king the president. Yeah. Yeah

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Why?

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God used her in broker. Yes, and she's been through that brokenness, but the Bible declares

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So when I said there was a discomfort you could hear that like I

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think what was going on if I had to guess I would guess that the teens that he has working the applause sign got confused by

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Standing up and yelling at the audience. Yeah, I didn't know quite where to punctuate his yelling with applause. They're still learning, right?

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They're still in school. And so I think and they haven't had sex for a long time. Absolutely. No masturbating. No nothing

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No, how would you even know where the applause sign begins or ends if you haven't come in a month?

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So they're all fumbling with their boners and not being able to hit the right points exactly yells like she's in the White House

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I'm a silent. I'm a big fan of the weird gross

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Scooby-doo villain ask oh

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It is ghostly yeah, that's bad. Yeah

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I kind of love it because it is one of those things that like

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You know, you know, it's not every day you get to see Jim Baker try and pull his skills out

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You know like that's true. It's kind of like I don't know an old

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Former pro ballplayer going down to the park and like trying to play pickup ball. Yeah kids. Yeah

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Well, they do a good job or whatever, but maybe some guy's gonna like dunk on them. Yeah, it's rocky five. Sure

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Yeah, yeah, let's go with that. Yeah, sure. I'll allow that metaphor can't be doing that. Yeah, so so Jim

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Good on you. I appreciate it

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But now we get back to the obedience thing and this reveal will not surprise anybody

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But this is why they keep talking about obedience

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So that you can see what he's called you to do and then somebody needs to obey God right now

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Because you need to give a lot more than $45

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You need to get thousands of dollars in obedience for the word of the Lord is coming

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I pray right now for revelation to come to you. Amen

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I pray right now that God would open your eyes according to Ephesians 1 17 and 18 that the eyes of your

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Understanding might be enlightened that you may know

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What is the hope of the riches of the glory of your inheritance as Saints Wow?

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Wow. Oh wow putting on a show. How impressive is that putting on a show? That's crazy

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Oh, but that's the payoff of the obedience

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You talk about obedience all the time and now you're like what you need to do is obey

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they've already earlier introduced a concept of

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Forty five dollars because there's a 45th president. Yeah

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They always do sale they always do this give your give your Easter sale gift to God or whatever it is

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They always do this with like symbolic meanings of yeah, if there's a Bible verse that's like, you know

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Like 818 or something like that like this is a specific example

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Paula White has been like give me eight hundred eighteen dollars in a year on a monthly basis

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It's blank because that adds up to this scripture

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I sure sure why not sure why not great? Yeah, how about I give you a wand?

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Sure, it's all magic. I don't give a shit

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And I don't think I don't think that asking people to support you in creative endeavors or whatever like that is a negative thing

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like I think that I think that the way that this sort of

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Economy has come up of like supporting artists who create stuff and all the people who support our show

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I think it's great

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But if I were to come up and try and manipulatively trick people into donating to us

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It would be as evil and ugly as you know, you know do this they could do this on the level

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It's there's no reason to do it. Like of course not this is so manipulative and trick

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No, there is a reason to do it like this because it works better get more people. It works better exactly

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yeah, if you look if we had a GoFundMe for a

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A our show and that the end the end goal was like we're gonna put out a better show

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Like people would not be as driven to that as opposed to if we all the sudden we're just like your souls Dan has cancer

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Dan is dying. We need

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$50,000 which is the symbolic amount in

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Ephesians

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$50,000 verse

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Dan needs money, right?

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We would get more money than than that. Well, of course you long when you play on people's strings and their emotions and stuff like that

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You're able to get them to again

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We talked about this a bunch you override the part of your brain that works on a rational system and you overwhelm it with this

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Emotional response and I'll be honest like I didn't get into it as much as I did the last time

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Listening to Jim Baker where he like the swelling music and the vignettes. Yeah, we're like, oh man, this is great

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But like listening to Paula, I kind of understood like how you could be tricked into

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Almost a hypnotic state by the way she speaks

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Oh, no, absolutely the quick measure like the the measure of her speech the way she never ends a sentence

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It always leads into something else. There's always a reference to something and and like it's all

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Ostensibly backed in some sort of biblical truth when she's just making shit up

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No, she's she's trying to run a non-stop guitar solo, but it's very I could I see how it works and I yeah

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Take ethics and morality out of it. I respect it

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Like oh no, I can feel in the same way that I respect Alex's former gifts as a amazing broadcaster, right?

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I respect this in terms of like I know what you're doing. You're trying to get people to give you money with the with the

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The sweet candy shell around the M&M of Christianity the shell is the Christianity the chocolate is I want money

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Yeah

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You trick people in with those bright colors of the M&Ms and then they eat that subpar chocolate and then they're like, all right

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It's I mean

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it's

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It's so similar to if you've been like if you've been doing stand-up for so long at a certain point you stop you stop

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Seeing like jokes and you start people you start seeing. Oh, this person is just doing the sleight of hand, right?

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This is just the rhythm. This is just the you pause for but and then

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And that that's all you need to do. Like she has got the patter down so good

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I you can and and even now even in my

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Yeah, no, even in my cynical monstrous a

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State of mind that I am in now I can still feel that that I went to like but I went to God camp when I

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Was like 14 I can still feel getting into that moment where that that preacher revival

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Yeah, just doing that whole you gotta you gotta believe it you got it and then all of a sudden there's all there's

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314 year olds going. Yeah

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Whatever it is, I used to have a bit about this

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I don't know if I've ever told you this story

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But one time I went to Bible camp and I pretended to be overwhelmed by the Spirit

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Did I ever tell you about that? No, I don't think so

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So I went to like a Baptist mega church when I was like formative years

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That's what my parents landed on after like the Mennonite Church in our town didn't work out and Plymouth Rock

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Sure didn't land on us. We landed up who cares. Yeah, so we went to a Mennonite Church

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But it just didn't have the right feel so we went to a bunch of places and tried to find the right fit

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We ended up at this Baptist mega church

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And it was the sort of place where I mean there wasn't like snakes and talking in tongues or anything like that

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Right boring

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But it was the soft version of that where like adults would be putting their hands up and some people would get a ghost

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It yes, absolutely. Yeah, holy ghost

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sometimes you would see people like on their knees like

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During the songs and stuff like that because they had been overwhelmed by the spirit

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Oh, or maybe they fall down in an aisle or something like that

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Not aggressively not like alright top like where the preacher is touching them and they fall down, right?

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Right, but so I had this sort of image in my head of like what it meant to really feel God's presence

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And like it really bothered me that I've never felt it

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Uh-huh, and so I went to camp one year and it was through the church

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We went we went to this this camp and I decided I made a mental decision that I was going to force it

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And so like during one of the songs, I don't know what it was

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But the only song I really remember they played every time was our God is an awesome God. He reigns

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Okay, yeah Jonathan Cain was on the keys

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It's a great retreat. Yep. So but during whatever this song was I just decided I'm doing it

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And so I fell to my knees, uh-huh

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and like I

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Acted like I was overwhelmed by you Holy Ghost did but then I it dawned on me that like as I got down there

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I didn't feel anything

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I thought that doing the act would force the feeling right and I thought God would come in and be like, alright

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You did it like somehow that would cheat code. Okay

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Up down down left right left right a B a B a B. I thought sure it would work

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Yeah, and it didn't know and it introduced the worst feeling I've ever had in my life, which was I cannot stand up now. I

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Was completely fucked

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Just wrote a

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Short story that should be added to Winesburg, Ohio

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What the fuck just happened here? I had artificial

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I had acted like I was overwhelmed by the spirit that led me to come to my knees

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I made you realize that the spirit isn't even real in the first place

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I'm surrounded by my peers in the youth group who are all like, oh my god dance having an experience

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Yeah, and I didn't I didn't want to stand up be like I was faking that

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Yeah, because of course not because then I gotta still stay at camp. I can't just go home

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What day is this? This is like day two. Oh, no, you're fucked there for a week

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So I had to I had to sort of play it out

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And so what I did is I faked crying a little bit

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Like I put my head down on a chair that so that's always a smart move and then people came over and like padded

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Yeah, so like that. I was like, thank you. Thank you

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And then I might email business and went to bed because I didn't want to

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That's actually how most Dan stories wind up it but it was so it was so disappointing on like so many levels

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Yeah, one is that like well that doesn't work. First of all, right, but second like I was like, I why did I do that?

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Yeah, like why was that an impulse that I had it like I thought that I could get around God on a technicality

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Right of it and then just like well, but isn't that what these people think? Yeah

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I know I know but like but that's the like that's the memory that comes up in my head when I

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Listen to people like this who are like trying to get people into that state. Yeah, like cuz she's doing that

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She's trying to get people to like throw your hands in the air like trying to get people to

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Overwhelm their limbic systems in order to to get on her side and I mean

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We've been there. See this is why I don't under I don't understand these people. I will never now anytime. I'm at

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They're all full of shit. No, that's what I'm saying. The people the people the innocent people are

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Desperate I think maybe not all of them

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But I'd say a vast majority of them are like me when I was 14

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14 who really wanted to feel that thing that they saw other people feel and were willing to play along

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in order to

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Maybe try and have that experience right now whether or not they're the same as me and when they had it

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They realized this is all artificial. What am I doing? Right or whether they're like, oh, I am gonna tell myself

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I had a profound experience that that's a whole nother issue

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But I think that a lot of people are well-meaning people who want that extra human experience

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They want something super spiritual. They want they want to feel

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they want to feel something that's not the normal day-to-day experience of life and it's

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Really abusive when you tell people that you know how to do it and you got to give them money to do it

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Like it's right because it's such a natural impulse that people have right go back and you read anything from history

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It's something that everyone always feels you don't want to feel like an animal

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You are if you do want to feel like an animal. It's like Alistair Crowley. They want to feel that enlightened animal

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Yeah, that visceral wild animal kind of thing. You don't want to feel like I'm just a biological accident

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You want to have a profound?

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connection to something bigger and a lot of people understand that there is a way to make money off of that

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Supposed hole in the human. Yeah psyche and I think that that's

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Maybe one of the most evil things that has ever happened that people are like they know they can manipulate it

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And yeah, I do. Yeah, cuz it's so it's so fucked up

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We're we're alcoholics. What else are we?

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like I mean what what else is that but to me if you can a

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Experience that feeling by

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meditation

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Right, if you can experience that feeling by going to a fucking Kanye West concert the dream if you can feel if you can

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Do that all that stuff there. All of that stuff is great, right? The I have no problem with the

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the never-ending quest for

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human transcendence in a in a moment, I have a problem with the

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Commodification the manipulation, you know, I don't even have a problem with that

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I think I have a problem with you take away from it

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Because like if we include like going to the gym as sometimes being able to be a transcendent experience

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Yeah, there are shitty people who try and sell you abusive gym membership exactly, but I mean, I guess the same

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I guess it's not the same. I guess it's as the gym doesn't market itself as a something for your soul

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Well, sometimes it does though, but that's a fucked up gym. There are a lot of fucked up

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Gym, that's a really really fucked and I mean, this is a fucked up form of Christianity. Like this is all fuck

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This whole fucking thing is

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Ridiculous, right? I don't know. I don't know. I guess my problem is whenever people try and tell you

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That's I think that's what my biggest problem with all this stuff because look if you're going for a fucking spiritual experience

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Human history has shown us that you can find one

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Yeah, and I am fine with you trying all of them. My problem comes when you deal with these people

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Who say that I'm the only way you can have one of these spiritual experiences

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The other ones you have aren't real you don't have one through me. Not only are you not

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Having a spiritual experience your worse. You're the worst your worse off for not even you know

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Well, that's part and parcel of the prosperity gospel. It's like that because the idea is you give this seed of money

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And then it grows into more money coming back for you

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Yeah

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And there's a built-in

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Trapdoor to explain why that doesn't work and that is you didn't want it hard enough or you didn't give enough you didn't give enough

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You didn't actually somewhere deep inside your heart. You weren't doing the right things. You didn't love God enough

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You didn't follow you didn't obey enough that sort of thing

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And so any preacher can just any preacher like these people can just slip around that that that sort of thing

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It's like yeah, it there's a there's a built-in excuse to blame the person who's the victim of the con always and it's

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It I have I have no words for how much I hate this. It's it's cruel

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Yeah, and it's prey its prey like them. I guess I guess the best word for it is prey they love

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Turning people into prey because they are fucking animals

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They are predators. She's friends with our president. Hey, who is also he moves on her like a bitch

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I'll tell you that right now. So in this next clip

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Jordan you were making a astute observation that I didn't know if you would pick up on as early as you did that

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Paula white cane doesn't seem to really be interested in hiding the fact

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That she's talking about like demographic stuff the quadrants of enemies and like TV terms and stuff like that

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She's she's she might as well be asking what her Sunday ratings are

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I thought that this next clip was pretty like this was this is weird. I think we're from the same tribe

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I know the system. I know the system really well. I

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Understand listen I can I know how to do TV blindsided

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I can close my eyes now just like you pastor Jim, but we don't do it like to buy the world ways

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We don't know it by the system because we do it by the Spirit of God now that we are not afraid or

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Intimidating or trying to fit in or trying to be popular

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We are being purposeful because we are doing what thus saith the Lord because we want to hear God say well done

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so enlargement and

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Deliverance is coming to God's people but then he turns around and says he says but will you be the carrier of it?

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Yes, because it's coming. Yes, but if you don't do this

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Yes, he says then then destruction will come to you and your father's house

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In other words God is going to bring enlargement. God is going to bring deliverance

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But the question is will you be a part of it? Will you get in the game?

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Enlargement is direct TV for real. Why haven't you picked up my goddamn show yet?

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We are bringing God to you at 4 p.m. Eastern 3 p.m. Central. That's 1 p.m.

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Pacific time

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Greenwich mean yeah, what are we what are we doing?

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Enlargement is prosperity gospel code for the money that comes back when you plant those seeds

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Yeah, so she's talking very directly about the idea of like all this is coming

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Are you gonna get on board with it? And she started that fucking sentence by saying we can do this in our sleep

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We know what to do. We're I know how to manipulate these people

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Yeah, she's essentially just pulling her dick out on air and just being like hey, I know what to do

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I don't give a shit about you guys. Hey, look at this. Hey, you're so stupid. Yeah, you're so stupid

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Look at you, you dumb sheep. I can manipulate you with my eyes blindsided. Yep

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It's crazy. It's it's a it's another level of like brazenness. Ah

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Which only only deepens and heightens my respect for her it it's not that hard to con people

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It is really hard to tell people you're conning them and then have them believe you anyways

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Some people just like the thrill of the hunt

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Like she's out. She's like someone out there hunting boar with a knife. Yeah

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She's like up in her. She's she's up in her degree of difficulty rating

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Yeah, if we're if we're in the you know, she's playing on new game plus

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Yeah, if we're doing dives here Jim Baker barely able to do a straight swan dive without a splash

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She is fucking backflips and all the turns and all that shit. Yeah, she's nailing it

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She's the Rodney Dangerfield in back to school. Yeah of evangelism

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Okay, so in this next clip man this made me so fucking this made me feel so weird

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Yeah, this made me feel so weird. So there's a relic that ends up

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Sure showing up on the relic a relic. They don't call it that but that's how Jim is acting

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And it's the shroud of Turin. It's so fucked up

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But then at the end of this clip we get something that is very familiar to our podcast

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And I would say this if there ever is a Jim Baker Mike down clip. This is it. Okay

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This is a platform you we this we're sitting on our platform

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This is why you call it stage a platform, but the platform of Donald Trump says I'm against abortion

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The platform is also an album by the dilated peoples

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Mm-hmm. The platform says he wants to appeal the Johnson amendment, which he's he's already used

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You were there when he signed it, right? And there's the pen

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I felt like like the heavens had opened

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I can't describe this moment and all the inauguration and this were probably two of the

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There you are all those back there and they're there in the pink dress

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I was like, I mean when I say I just give God all the glory because people don't I think fully understand

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Can I touch that pin? Yes, sir. This is what I waited for

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Most of my life because I have fought. Yes

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The government has tried to destroy the church people

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For decades and decades and decades and he said as long as I am president

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No more ground

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And he signed with this pin

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Can you see the pin?

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Signed with this fan and then he reached over and

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Handed it to this little lady. I can call you a little a because you are a little

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What a major moment now, I want to give I want to

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But for a sit-down for just for a 45 I'm asking to help

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You got to give it back

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For forty forty five dollars to help us stay on the air. We need support add pivot

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Jim Baker just did an ad pivot after almost coming in his pants about a pen

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That's outrageous that that's next level I am

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rooting

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For climate change to win you were going I am going through some stuff

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I I have now given up entirely on humanity

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Yeah, there is no point to any of this those people were all going apeshit for a pen

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He turned a pen being signed for fucking whatever into an ad pivot

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Why why do we why really like do we even need us? Do you see this pan?

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Do we even need us this pan is what I've been fighting for my whole life good then stop and die die

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we

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Pen if Obama handed me a fucking pen during the height of his tenure in the White House

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It's still be like this is a fucking pen. He's like, this is the pen that I used to sign the ACA

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Yeah, I'd be like, I don't know. It's a fucking pen. That's cool. Why didn't you get single-payer past you piece of shit?

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That's my response. Who is it? Who is impressed by? Why are so many people impressed by a pen? It's a relic

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It's not it's a fucking assholes pen. It's like a shroud. It's their assholes. It's like a shroud of tourists. And your assholes

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Nah, man, this is big. I would not. It's big stuff. Oh, man. I could not. You gotta worship that pen

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I have a dream now of just fucking going to one of these shows and just losing my shit

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I want to go full streaker at the World Cup like I want to rip into this shit is very fucking

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Tear everything apart it would not work. Oh my god

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I would Jim has on one of these episodes that I watched did say that like people get paid to come and try and disrupt

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His show so he's aware. He's got security. Yeah, they're also 18 year olds who are probably working for free, right?

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I think we'd all right. I could probably just bang him

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probably just

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Bang heads. Hey, you never you ever you ever have fun. You ever have fun before

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All right, really not cuz you were come on

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So yeah, man, let's go have a beer. So he's talking about the Johnson Amendment. That's what yeah

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I had an executive order

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loosening

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And the Johnson Amendment for everyone who doesn't know has to do with churches as the part of their 501c3 status

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But they can't advocate for or an opposition to any candidate in public office

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That's the major part that they really hate right put through

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Because it's almost like that part is trying to keep them from creating a theocracy

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Well, and I mean we can't have that if your entire religion is built around the concept of a theocracy

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That's one part of it, but it was put forth in

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1954 if you think about what was going on in

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1954 you had a lot of World War two

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Yeah, you had a lot of

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Christian

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Organizations in heavy quotes. Yeah, we're not super into equal rights. Um

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I can't think of any of them with three initials

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That we're not into

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Amway, yep, that's it. Okay, so you had you had like sort of

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agitating groups

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Hiding under the auspices of Christianity. Yeah, and I think I think a large portion of

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lynching under the auspices

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One of the good things that the Johnson Amendment is capable of is sort of trying to split up some of that

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And I don't think that a church is a place for political messages. And if you think it is I

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Think we have a fundamental disagreement about about what faith is and what our country is

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Anyway, I think that's already been the case for a long time all this thing and that ad pivot pretty hard

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That was a harsh ad pivot. That was a really he went from God and it seemed so sincere. Yeah

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Yep, because really seemed so stoked about it and then

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and immediately after the ad pivot all of the all of the pre-show screening showed up in my head of them being like

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Okay, we want you out here. Do you have anything?

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And they're like, I've got I've actually got this pen that Trump gave me and they're like fuck

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Yes, we are gonna turn that into a set piece lie about it being what he signed the stripping of the Johnson Amendment

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Jim we need you to really fuck you're gonna need to stand up for this one and then Jim

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We're gonna need you to mumble that you want $45. Yep. Time is now. We need you to really

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Incompetently do an ad. Oh, please give me $45 if you thought that

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$45 wasn't worth it. Let me show you a pen. It's a great pen done

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Alright, so in this next clip

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We have another moment where Jim actually tries to preach a little bit and this one more unsettling than the first

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Oh, he's out of the game you you know, I say this you're the greatest woman preacher in the world

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I forgive me for saying that I don't again a heretic. I don't want to embarrass

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You are

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And what you're saying is the message for this minute. Yes, sir in America. Yes, sir. It's the brokenness

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What are you gonna do?

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Are you gonna curl up and die? Come on?

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Preach it sir, because you made a mistake right because something went wrong

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Hmm. Are you listening to me?

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God

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To die on the cross

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Because you would blow it

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Also, wait what about that one said a son to die on the cross about about his son because you would blow it

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Hey, that's not the message also, okay, you would blow it

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But also about about that son that you seem to love yelling about Paula has some weird ideas about him

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You should ask her about him. Hmm. Don't want to do that. Well, she would blow it. Yeah, that's why God said

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That Donald Trump's to confound the wise what is this?

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We say that's why we love him so much what's why we stand up for Jesus Christ

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We won't give him up what that's why we're not gonna let him tear the crosses from our buildings

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It's the cross the cross forgive me. You just got me too excited. You are too excited

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No one's asking to tear your cross down buddy. Yeah, enjoy your cross. I'm

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Man, the only people that make me want to take the things away from them that they are afraid of me taking away from them

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Are the people who are afraid of me taking them away from them? They kind of know that and you are

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Facilitating the continuation of the circle. I mean, it's just like no, I don't want to take your cross away

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You want to take my cross away? Well now I want to take your cross away

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Well, but that you're making me want to take your cross away

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But see here you now touched it into what he's actually talking about and why this has nothing to do with religion

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The reason that you want to take his cross away, I think even though you don't care about Christianity and neither do I

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Is because he's not a church like no the reason that anyone would want to be like

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Hey, you need to shut down isn't because the message of God or anything like that

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Though I would put myself more in the agnostic category. I'm open to ideas of spirituality and shit like that

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I don't have a hard line like a lot of atheists do right, but I have no no love lost between me

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And the Christian Church of any denomination, but at the same time I'm super thrilled that they exist and I think they should exist

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Same as all Muslim churches Buddhist temples all of it across the board Jewish synagogues

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I can name them all Shinto huts. I don't know. You know what?

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Like I like a community baseball teams. Sure. That's the same shit to me somewhat but it isn't for a lot of people

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the reason that Jim is so much like people want to tear down our crosses and want to shut us down is because he's

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Keenly aware that he's conning people. He knows that the

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Accusations that come at him are legal accusations. They are like you are committing a very

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At least unethical business practice right here. This is crazy

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What you're doing has nothing to do with God it has to do with you using God as a method to sell your bullshit buckets

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Right and what have you right?

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So it's really utilitarian for him to be like we are under attack because we love God so much

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Because then that frames the argument for anybody who believes what he's saying as like these very measured reasonable

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Complaints that you or I would have about him is like oh no

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They just hate God and that's nice

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That's but but but when you say I want to tear down his cross now

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It becomes you are the embodiment of exactly what he is lying about existing. Yeah, but it doesn't matter

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No, of course not. I'm already the course

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I'm already the embodiment regardless of whether or not I do it

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So I might as well fucking take your goddamn cross away you piece of shit lying

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Go fuck yourself all of this would be fine shit on your cross Jim Baker if you have a cross

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I want to shit on it. Well, this would be fine if you just had like a bit of transparency

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I think I think Jim Baker's whole operation like this whole show would just be really funny if there was just transparency about it

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hilarious

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well

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Because like I think that the real crime is the the sleight of hand stuff about like what we're using the money for

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Yeah, the sleight of hand stuff about like the the abusive

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Marketing tactics and shit like that. The rest of it is just like look

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I there are there are worse problems in the world than someone going to a dumb church. Yeah

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that's all yeah, then that's all but

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If there was just an opening of those those those those documents

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I think he could he could he could skate on some stuff with me. I wouldn't care

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It's weird is if these churches didn't exist

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It would be an amazing adult film

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A adult swim not a pornographic. No, not a pornographic adult swim show. Like if we didn't have so many

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Fucking

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Televangelist shows on it to it 2 a.m. In the morning or whatever. It is

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Adult swim would have one it would be word for word the exact same thing. Well that I'm like this is a parody of itself

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Same it's it's wild that this exists and it's even wilder that Jim Baker is a person who?

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Was did hard time for fraud because of this exact same behavior right in the past

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He just tweaked a few things and now came back, you know, like and is doing the same a game. It's a redemption story

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It's not though. It's

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Redemptive itself. It's like if someone did something bad went to prison for it got out and realized

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All right. Now I know the line that doesn't redeem themselves and just does the exact same thing

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There's no redemption story here. No it look I went to prison

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It's for selling I went to prison for selling heroin

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But in prison, I got my pharmacology degree and now I sell opioids to doctors, right?

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It's a completely different thing. There's no difference whatsoever. I think that requires more effort

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It's more I went to prison because someone snitched on me for selling heroin

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I just murdered all the snitches now. I'm solo, you know or whatever

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Yeah, it's that sort of thing cuz it's it's not like he got clean

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No, that's definitely like the opioid stuff is an ethical as shit

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But like that's still legal what he's doing is still the same fraud. It's not like

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Like just because he didn't pretend he was creating a hotel this time that he overbooked

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Like that, but they got him on the first time that doesn't mean that there's any less like

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Deceptiveness in this marketing. No, of course playing the same fucking game and that's why it is

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Adult swimmy in terms of like it's almost it's almost beyond the pale. Yeah, like what you think is like

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This is this is nuts

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Yeah

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This is this is a to me like that when it did it when too many cups favorite preacher is on

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Oh my god, that can't be real

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That's a lie that she tells him or know that he tells her that has to be a bunch of pictures of her and she did

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Give the benediction at his inauguration. Yeah, but he can't I don't know what the fuck is going on

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Well her backstory on that is that she had a televangelism show that was on air

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That reached Mar-a-Lago. And so when he was there he would watch her and he loved her

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All right, all the ice caps melt immediately now flood

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I'm this is the first time I've really believed that God was right whenever he got rid of

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Noah's yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he nailed it except for he probably just let the wrong family

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Like God just fucked up one time and that was when he killed everybody and then let Noah live

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Like there was probably a guy they don't he allowed bees on that ship. Yeah. No, we gotta have bees

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Where would the where would the pollination God can make drones we would God could not make drugs

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He'll be fine with that is be fine. That is heretical belief if there's one thing I know about the Bible

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It says that God can't make drones rather than me and Paula are on the same page

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heretics

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Heretics, I'll say that me thinking that God can make drones is not directly a heresy against the most foundational

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doctrines of Christianity, so I'm on better footing than her. I don't know man. It's crazy. It's really it's legitimately crazy

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And this whole thing rebukes the Nicene Creed and then it's like no, I don't like yeah you do you do you straight

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I don't listen Dan. I

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Will stop denying the Nicene Creed if you donate eight thousand one hundred and eighteen thousand one million dollars

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To whatever it is. I do

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But I'll believe in anything for as much money as also in case I will believe in anything for money

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also in case you're curious the Apostles Creed is the

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Declaration that you believe in the reality of reincarnation of Jesus Christ. Okay, and also a really good song by Jedi mind tricks

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Okay, so now we get to so, you know how?

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You you heard this a little bit Paula White likes to talk about how she does prophecy

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She likes to talk she does and she likes to do prophecy

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Here's a prophecy that she had that I think is ludicrous. It's 2018 people. Hmm. It's 2018. Yeah

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You know, we don't do prophecies

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Well, especially like it when you when you put yourself in a position of I do

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Prophecy that puts you on shaky foundations with the I think most mainline churches you would hope it's at least narcissistic

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I think most churches are like a

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Look, we got a lot going on with our bullshit as it is, right? Let's not throw prophecy cuz prophecies concrete man

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Yeah, do you know what was great about the old prophecies?

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They kind of didn't mean anything and you could just throw whatever you want on them

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Oh and spoiler alert a lot of them were written after the fact. Yeah

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Dating on them is a little little little iffy

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Yeah, but you don't you don't give out like I'm gonna prophesy this because it's not gonna come true and look

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I know Christians. I'm sure Christians Christians believe a lot of what they believe and that's fine

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But even Christians are like dude, don't don't put our names to a prophecy

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Don't put our business because we're not gonna it's not gonna come true. You know it

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We know we're not telling the real truth, but that's it's not the point

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The point isn't that we're telling the truth. The point is that we're like feeling it, you know, yeah, baby

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Don't tell don't tell a prophecy. That's like it like look, okay

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Yeah, so science found out that we were revolved around the Sun and yeah

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So somebody prophesied that we didn't but that's not the point. The point is that we felt like we didn't well

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Here's one of the things that's really interesting. Is that like in terms of

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This this is white Paula White her prophecy that she talks about with her child. Paula White came she is a Christian

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She would prefer to be

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Referred to. She's referred to by both.

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I think if there's anything that we have heard so far

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It's that she would prefer to be subservient to her husband who sits there and makes sure that everybody knows that her choices are

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absolutely

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subsumed by his. Fine Paula Kane then. Yeah, there we go. Um, I don't even like I don't even like Paula

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Let's call her Mrs. Kane. So Ms.

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if you're a feminist

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So the the idea is that she has of her first like old-time

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Prophecy is just this vague idea of like I'm going to be listened to and if I stop then we will be hurt

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Right, that's her thing. And that's just a good origin story. I don't begrudge that that's nice

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But then the other prophecy. No toxic avenger, but I'm fine with it

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Well, the other prophecies that she gives are just counterfactuals of real things that did happen

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Like here is one that she gives about what would have happened if Trump hadn't of won

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Which to me is a shitty prophecy because it's like

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Great. What are we on alternate earths? What are we doing?

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Like this isn't a this isn't a multiverse Marvel comic here

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God said to me if I did open my mouth and the Twin Towers would fall so I did. Oh

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Fuck that was me

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They don't recognize how much we were on the verge of losing what we call we call it religious liberties

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But the reality is I or a person who I believe in I'm gonna make a bold statement that I've never made publicly

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But I believe that had God not divinely intervened through the church

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through the church praying through our

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Obedience through an awakening and giving us this a moment. This is a window and if we miss this

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I believe the church in America would have been an underground church within five years

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I do

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Why I couldn't give it up if they only understood yes, how many believe that

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Believe that everybody was like wait five years. What are you talking about?

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Yeah, but that's a delightful counterfactual prediction that is like had things not gone the way they did in reality. Here's a consequence

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I imagine

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About why we need to support Trump because he is in and is avoiding the church is becoming an underground church like fuck

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and if you don't support Trump

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Then the majority religion that runs this entire fucking country will become an underground church in five years five years five years

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Five years. Yeah, that would be fast. I think that the reality is that if

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You know

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On a national level

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Conservatives Republicans have not done traditionally all that well in the last hundred years or so last 50 years particularly

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They've not won a ton of elections

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Especially ones that didn't involve George W Bush his dad or Nixon, which is why they learned how to cheat better

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Uh speaking of George W Bush

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Yeah, so like I think that what she's expressing is actually probably an accurate prophecy

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but has nothing to do with the Christian Church going underground but like

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Eventually if people keep you know making liberal progress

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Our con is not going to be allowed at a certain point people are going to get sick of this

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the words gonna get out on us and our livelihoods are gonna be completely busted at a certain point if we will have to

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Go underground not the church if people's lives improve to the point where our fear-mongering

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Bullshit doesn't really make sense even to them. Yeah, we're fucked

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Yeah

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We are so great fucked we need to make sure what like why else would they join the side of the coke?

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billionaires and the like is because if people's lives aren't shit, they're not gonna go and like we get back to the

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Shit now, I can't remember Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right?

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like if you have all of those needs on the field then you are not afraid of

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You know

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Somebody from another country is coming to take my job

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Do you know why I'm not afraid of that is because I have my needs met and I'm comfortable in what I'm doing

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Right, and if I'm not afraid of immigrants coming to take my jobs or all of that shit

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Then I'm really not going to be picked it picked up by the con men

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No

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Because I don't have that I don't have that fear to play on I don't have that

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Imaginary hole that these people are offering to sell for me

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So, of course the of course religions, of course

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All of these things are jumping in with that because they need a base level of misery

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otherwise, they're not going to be successful, but I also don't think that it's

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most religions

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I understand that it's very easy and the numbers are real bad in terms of especially

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Evangelical Christians and stuff like that. Mmm

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But I also think that most of the evangelical Christians are under the sway of a really toxic version of Christianity

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I don't think Christianity as a whole is bad. I think very smart Christians exist

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A very scholarly Christians who write essays about how Paula White is a heretic things like that. Right, right

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What we've done is we've entered a world where like anti-intellectualism has metastasized to include everything

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So you have these con men who are like rebuking the very idea of knowing things

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Mmm, you have Trump who doesn't like I don't want to get briefed about stuff. I don't give a shit

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My impulses are are perfect

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so now you have that right like this distrust of like politics as a thing that like or even like

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Take politics out of it because that is an inherently dirty game, but like diplomacy or international relations

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It's like now fuck that no one needs to study that I know better because of my great genes that yeah

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Yeah, you have him infesting that sort of world. You have someone like Paula White

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Probably has much more influence than Jim Baker

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If we're being totally on yeah. Yeah, and you have her who she doesn't have a degree from a seminary

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She's not like she hasn't studied the bone

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in a formal

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Environment what no so she has you know fake?

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Accreditation, right and she's the doctor group of Christianity exactly and she comes in with a heretical version of a

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Misunderstanding of what Christians believe about Jesus and you have just like hey, you know what?

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She's super charismatic and fun and like let's fucking let this let's let this become dominant

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Yeah, and it's not just her but there are tons of her around there

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Oh, yeah her within the evangelical community. Yeah, and they're leading well-meaning people into

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a complete idiotic world and that's what bums me out because I think a lot of people who are deep and this is me going

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Back to my dumb centrist roots

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But like this is something that I care about a lot like I know a lot of really good Christian people

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like my parents are

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devout Christian

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Folk and I also they are the people that you say they're they're great and they're also very liberal

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They're progressive as shit, right? They're very

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understanding of like the ideas of the teachings of Jesus being

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adaptable and and and

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metaphorical on some level right now like you don't have to be beholden to these dumb ideas about like I

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I watched a video where they were talking about like where Paula White was on another show and they were talking about like why the

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Prosperity gospel is the truth and that's because when Adam was sent out of the Garden of Eden

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It was about the like the the sweat of his brow

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He would work and it would mean nothing you'd have all this work and it would never come to the middle

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It would never it would never be made right

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but Jesus had the crown of thorns on his head and they humiliated him and he bled from the brow and it was the

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parallel of

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The the the the in like the poverty that was was thrown on Adam

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And so there was a metaphor of economic

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Redemption that I'm bringing to you through Jesus that makes the least sense of anything I have ever heard in my entire life

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Well, it's just because the idea of the brow the word brow being used. Yeah in both context

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Yeah, I mean like one of those is like farming is hard

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And then the other one is like getting murdered as hard, right?

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but you have stuff like that where people are trying to twist the literal ness of

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of

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scriptures and I think a lot of Christians get a really bad shake and I know that I have now abandoned my

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desire to defend Republicans

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No, and I I still think I still think I hold out

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Hope and I believe that there are a lot of great Christians in the world. Look you you're you're talking to me. I

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My family is fucking nuts

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like they are like all of the shit that she is saying they would totally say and

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If they if they listen to this episode if everybody in my family listen to this episode

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I swear to God they wouldn't even hear the ad pivots like it would just like like some part of their brains would just

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And they'd be like no what she's saying is good and true and prayer is good and honest and and I believe that and I'm like

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No, I get it. You're just missing the ad pivot part. You realize that you're being

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Tricked. Yeah, and they can't because you're focusing on the fatty meat

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Yeah, when you need to see the skeleton of what's supporting that meat and on the animal and part of it is just like they

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They're not bad people. I my family is there. They're wonderful beautiful people. I am NOT going to

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I'm not going to paint my my family is something awful. Like if they they would give you a sandwich

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I don't fucking know no need whatever whatever your basis pack all of that now

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whatever your basis for like an okay person is sure, but if if

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like

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You can't go back on it to them in in their way at a certain point

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It's almost like they're pot committed, you know, like they're playing poker and they're like, well, we've already put all of our chips in

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Yeah, why why would we stop now if they because it's it's it's money protecting bad money are right

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It's because and I can't quit this job

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I hate because I've worked here ten years and also at the same time

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uh for so many of these people even if my parents even if my mom and dad who have been with this church for like

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20 years even if they know it's bullshit if they leave it now, they don't have any friends man

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It's true. That's tough. Now. What are they gonna do? Yeah, what are they gonna go to a card club?

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Like they've they've got nothing. There's a hundred

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Yeah, you just let all of that shit go oh, oh, yeah, yeah, there's an ad pivot, but I'm not gonna give him money

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So it's really not about me, right? Yeah, it's a prosperity gospel, but I don't really worry about the

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Parts, I'm just I'm just doing that for the for the God like it's of course I get it

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Yeah, it's just you're you're fucking you're ruining it

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Yeah, and unfortunately people like Apollo or people like a gym have much deeper

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Things that they want

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They have issues that they care about that are not so much

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About being religiously based or anything like that

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They like the reason that Jim almost jizzes on himself with that pan designed the stripping of the Johnson Amendment

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It was a great pen though is because what he cares about is using the church that he has in a political way

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Because that will allow him to open up so many more vistas of fundraising

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Yep

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there's so many more things that he'd be able to do in a tax-free environment if he's able to

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Not have the IRS breathing down his neck about what you can and can't say

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Like those sorts of things would be so I just want to thank God for making the crimes that I committed before

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Legal now by electing Donald Trump. There's so many benefits that he stands to gain from it

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It's fucking ludicrous to think that so at one of my old jobs. I

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had a

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Something happened or whatever and the corporate head sent me a pen

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Fuck pens sure fuck pens. What are you doing? It's a fucking pen. Nah, I just come on man

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I disagree on my last fucking doing my last day work at my old office. This guy named Trey's came in

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Yeah, this guy ran a couple coffee shops and he's an awesome, dude

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It's one of the only people I actually liked interacting with I worked in a role where I had to collect overdue amounts

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from people who like bought our coffee and shit and

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He'd always be pretty behind. That's because he was super busy

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He'd always come into the office about once a month or so with a checkbook and be like here. I'm gonna get even

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Hey come in. He's super awesome. He's just a really really fucking nice guy. Yeah, and cool and fun

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Yeah, every time he came in very exciting to see it's a nice guy. He's the Paula White. Yeah. Yeah

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No, no, cuz he wasn't

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But he came in on the last day that I or around my last day work

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I think was like my second last day and he's like, oh I want to give you this

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He gave me a pen from his coffee shop. Yeah, I still have it

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I thought it was really I thought it was really sweet very nice thing

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Here's a thing on the thing on the end of it so you can use it to like as a stylus

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It's a good pen. It's a cute thing. I but it also just the sentimentality of it meant a lot

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whereas I if

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Paula was saying like Donald Trump signed a bill with this and I know it doesn't mean anything

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But it's a sentimental artifact of my time or whatever. I'd respect that more than

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Jim Baker being like I've waited my whole life for this pen

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That's very different. You know anyway, that is very enough pen talk now. Let's get to historical revisionism

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So you have pens were invented by Americans was the purpose of America?

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What was the purpose not for us to slaughter babies not for us?

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Oh people get upset if I start going on that I mean I can start

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Continue to go the purpose was when our forefathers came over that we would not have a state religion

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That's right

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They took their crosses when they landed at Plymouth and when they walked that which they did

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And they put their white crosses down and they dedicated this land and said it will be a lighthouse for God to sing

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All of the people

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Particular nation was a sacrament. Thank God

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But I even even taking that aside

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I don't think that the original intent was that like this will be a Christian way station on the way to other places. Yeah, I

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Think I think that what we have there more importantly whether or not that's blatant historical revisionism or not

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What you have there is absolutely a declaration that what we want is a goddamn theocracy

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Yep

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We want this to be and we believe that it was supposed to be and it's not

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because of these demon folk who are you and I I

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I

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Mean, there's there's a certain part of me that respects it

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Because here's what you're doing me. Yeah. No, no. No, I mean if you're them, right?

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you're taking everything that humanity has ever done and

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Are going like ooh, no, that doesn't great and that really doesn't support my argument

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So I'm gonna make my own up and my own human history supports what I want to do

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So let's just make that the real human history. Okay, like that makes perfect sense, right?

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yeah, like if I just convince enough people that reality isn't melody then they'll do what I tell them to do and

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She's good at it

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Yep, like I I mean, but I've had this conversation. I feel like I keep having this conversation more and more

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Recently than I think I ever have before which is just like what we've always

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talked about which is like a

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Conversation doesn't happen until there's an agreement of terms an agreement of definitions

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It's a classic what what is when you say table? Are we talking about table?

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Yeah, and we are no longer doing the conversation can't happen without yeah

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There's a conversation to be had with somebody who believes that the founding fathers wanted a Christian theocracy

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What do you say? Well, here's a good good or you or you believe that God wanted the founding fathers to have a God with the

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You know, like what do you say to that?

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Well, here's a good concrete example of that

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Like if you look at the the reality of Trump going to North Korea and talking with that that

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Big deal he made with a non-binding

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Statement which has turned out to be one of the most hilarious things that they are

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But but rubbing their asses in our faces and I think it's hilarious

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but we get back to this idea of the beginning of a conversation is the definition of terms and

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you have

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Denuclearization as being a term that has been agreed on in this

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Statement that they made right but to us or to Trump

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Denuclearization is a one-sided thing where he gives up all of his nukes and submits

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whereas for him the term denuclearization is a

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Everybody it's a you know, like a more. Yeah

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Unilateral thing. Yeah, where South Korea gives up their weapons the entire peninsula becomes de-weaponized the United States scales back

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Involvement and stuff like that so you can come to an agreement that says we believe in

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Denuclearization, but if one side thinks it means X and the other thinks why then you don't have anything

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No, this agreement doesn't mean anything. It's it's not real right and that is the conversation. That's the impossibility of the conversation

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We keep having it's the reason why bad faith actors like Alex Jones all of his ilk all of the commentators on the right

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Yeah

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Why they are such a big problem is that we we don't have a consensus about what we mean and they are doing that

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Intentionally and that is because they can't have the conversation on

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like a level playing field of course not because when it doesn't make any sense because when you nail things down people can't wiggle

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Right. I mean like you right you can't get around it

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You can't be like well

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What do you believe in and then make a hard declaration of what you believe in?

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Well, and this has happened. This has happened to everybody

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Absolutely, and it's something that we all I I think is one of the big things as far as growing is like getting over this

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Is when you are talking to somebody when you're having an argument and they start to pin you down

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You start to feel it though. Like there's this there's a certain point where you start to feel like oh shit

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I might I might be wrong and

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instead of for I what like this is humanity like 95% of us instead of saying like oh

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No that okay. Tell me more about that. You're like

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Well, that's not what I was saying, right and then you admit and dismount fast exactly

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No

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I wasn't saying that and then that allows you to continue believing the same shit that you

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For a brief instant you had that chance you had that moment of like

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Maybe I could be wrong here and I could say I'm wrong and then I could change

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My my two things that I do in that situation is

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Well, I mean the first thing is universal and that is I assess then the second thing is either

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I reject your premise this conversation stupid. Yeah, if that's the case or I laugh and like oh man, I was off

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Yeah, because who cares right if you're wrong about something and you're wrong about something. It's not the worst thing

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I think that's one of the most fun things that I have experienced with this

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with our whole podcast is always just like

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eventually

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I I'm either wrong. I'm either like no. Yeah. Yeah, you're right all of the stuff

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I said was dumb because it was based on information that I didn't really have and you have that information

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But I also still don't think you're dumb like your reasoning. It's not it's not that no

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No, that's what I'm that's what I'm saying. Like that's that's part of you. That's part of growth though

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That's part thing makes me excited to do this pot

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Like when we talk about it's boring for Alex to continue to say all this stuff for me

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it's really exciting because I

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Like not being wrong and when I'm wrong

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That's just a super exciting opportunity for me not to be wrong later. You know, like it's great

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I like learning shit and so often like with these people you could tell them you could and you you could

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Rhetorically have an argument where they're like, but maybe if I and you just keep pinning them down just like hey stay in the pocket

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This is what we're talking away. This is what talking about a chance. You are staying right here with me

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Oh, this is what we're saying will not do that until you and I agree that this is what we're talking about

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We are not talking but this is why philosophers don't go on info wars or like right

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This is why people who are actually good at like

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Like conversation right in that sense don't go on these shows

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It's because see but I think that's also one of the problems is that

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No, no, no. No, I'm not all these philosophers. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I won't they debate

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I'm not talking about it in that regard. I mean object themselves to this level of bullshit. No, I made a leap

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That I didn't let you in. Oh, no, I know so apology. I

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Understood the implied leap that you were making but at the same time just on its face. That was oh, yeah

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No, it's dumb. No, of course not. Why won't be like it is a problem that smarter people don't go on these shows

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Yes, no, that's not what I'm talking about

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Oh, I understand but that was a piece of what you were saying. And yes, it is a problem that like

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you know

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Like

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This will never get better if these worlds like what it is is this is a is a

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infected tooth

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Jim Baker. Hmm. Alex Jones is another infected tooth, right?

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It's not gonna get better until you put some medication in there. You do like a root canal that root canal is probably

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a smart people showing up and be embarrassing them on their own show or something like that, but you like

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Right, but I think that's where one of the big disconnects happens. And also as we've seen like, dr

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Dean Adele is going on right that volcanologist

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So people go on and they do a root canal and the behavior of eating candy all night happens again, but then you have another

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That's what I'm trying to say. That's what I'm trying to say is that it is not that smart people don't say this stuff to them

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it is that

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The way the way that you put it is what triggered triggered it for me when you said well

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It's that people who are good at this kind of thing don't go on there and that's the way people view it too often

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You're not you're not right

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You're just better at arguing than me. Well, Steve Pachannik is really good at arguing, right?

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But that's brilliant, but that's the way that people get out of being in that conversation with you

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I've had this happen to me plenty of times of people who are good at arguing go on Alex Jones's show

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Right tons of them, but they're just rolled into but it's same ideas as Alex so they never have an argument

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But if their argument is losing

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They will say it is not because their argument is bad or is because their argument doesn't make any sense

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They'll say it's because you're just better at arguing than me

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Oh, it's a it's a question of who is

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Dominating this argument not whether or not your ideas make any sense. And that's the way that so many people view it

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Talk about when he was on that British show. He's like I dominated that interview. Yeah, that's why so many that's that's the heart of

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so many fears about

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Sending their kids to college with these evangelical communities is like wait. No, no, it's not that they're it's you're gonna think

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That they have knowledge that you don't know

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But what it really is is they're just tricking you with better

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Arguments because we don't teach you how to argue. You don't need to know how to argue. God says don't argue

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They're sneaky highfalutin city learn exactly there there and that's that's the in anti intellectual ism

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Yeah, is the the idea that it is about a quality of argument

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being ill as opposed to a

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Fact right? I think I think some of that's certainly true, but at the end of the day Jordan

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I really don't think it matters because all of these things that we're particularly concerned about these issues that we've brought up here

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Certainly the anti-intellectual ism the nature of argumentation the agreeing on terms

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These sorts of things that are really important in having a conversation

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It doesn't matter with these people because there's one thing that this is about

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So what do you see exactly what he is calling you you right now to get up on the phone and

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So that $45 seat

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Not just to get the prophetic series

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But so that this message can keep going forth so that you can see what he's called bother them that it's really close to 40

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Pieces of silver doesn't even bother do they even for a single fucking second go about that

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Nope doesn't matter and we have one more clip where Paula goes a little bit too hard. I

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Had the same things the death threats and and spiritually and naturally

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It's their spiritual assassins and naturally they said they've said there's things after your life da da da da

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But you know what? I did John and I grabbed each other the other night. We put our feet in oil

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We started taking communion. All right

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I like this we took a prophetic instruction and we obeyed because I told us to sew an amount

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we took the mount and God told us to sew it into a certain thing because he said it would be for the

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Preservation of our life and for the preservation of our children

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We obeyed God and somebody needs to obey God right now because you need to give a lot more than $45

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You need to get thousands of dollars in obedience for the word of the Lord that is coming

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Because it's gonna preserve you and your family and when we did this and we preserved here's how I prayed. I didn't pray

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She just described you're trying to make the metaphor literal here's what she just described. She just described her and her husband

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Who controls all of her finances?

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And who refuses to allow her to speak for herself, of course, she is subservient to him in every possible way. Yeah

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They were told by God to sew some money into a place for the protect of their children

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You I'm gonna go with miss college. You're miss following the word. You're thinking it's s e w it's s o w

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I'm gonna go with couch sowing seeds. This is just the basis

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Yeah, they sewed those seeds into a couch. No, this is the basis of

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The prosperity gospel stuff. We've talked about this over and over. Yeah, but when I hear her say that what I hear is

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I'm gonna lie and say that we put our feet in oil and

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Then had communion that

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Was they took a bath together and drank wine shirt, which I love. That's great

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I hope your relationship is wonderful sexy

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But the idea of her sewing this seed or whatever what she's talking about is I made an investment and now I'm trying to imply

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To all of you that you need to do the same thing, but with me for me to make an investment in me

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Yeah, no, of course. It's the same fucking thing. I still believe they put it into a couch or something

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I bet they I do bet they have like a safe or something like that in their house

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These these folks never exist without a grain of paranoia somewhere. No, no, no, it's it's definitely there hard cash on hand

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No, she's not trusting a bank as much as that was a metaphor

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That was also a very real story about a very real discussion that they had about oil on their feet something

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No, I mean like for real that does sound like her dramatizing a like we took a foot bath

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No, it's a dramatizing a story of an investment decision. Yeah, it's not like it's not like God told us to give away a

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Recognizable amount of our fortune like it's not that that I don't believe that for a hot second, of course not

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But she wants to buy that it is in order to make it seem like you have to give more

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so anyway did the reason that I end with this is that

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like again

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For all of our intents and our pretenses of trying to have a real conversation about what these people are up to

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It always boils down to this stuff

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Yeah

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Always boils down to five dollars over and over again saying give me forty five dollars and after that being like that

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so that's not enough thousands of dollars you need to give ten percent of everything and the reason is because I have this

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Magic pen and I'm friends with our God King

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Who is the president? It's disgusting

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And this sort of behavior is going to lead down the road to a gross gross theocracy

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I really feel like

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America was founded on like a

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like

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Man, there was something about Kings. I remember when America was like started

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They were like they had like opinions about Kings

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I'll tell you Kings is one of my favorite Steely Dan songs off of can't buy a thrill

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Oh, yeah album one of the deep cuts, you know, everyone knows a real in in the years shit like that

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But which is the lamest one on that's on that album. They had a song called Kings. That was a fucking banger Kings

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Yeah, get along those kids Charlemagne. Never mind. That's a good

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Song, but that was from a later album

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But this okay, okay

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We've seen the last of good King Richard

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Right raise up your glass for good King John. I was thinking about the

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Mark Wahlberg George Clooney classic three kings

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well

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see Steely Dan's version of Kings was really all about the fall of Richard Nixon and the the rise of

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JFK so is the movie three kings. Well, absolutely. I

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Gotta go I

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Want to talk more about Steely Dan

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It's time to it's time to wrap this up man. They're a nice song called midnight cruiser

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Off that album stop. Stop turning into a middle-aged man in front of me

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I like that now my new thing is going I feel like of every episode talking about music

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I feel like I feel like I've got man John last time now

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I feel like I'm a 20 year old girl cornered by a man talking about Steely Dan, which is not an uncommon feeling

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I can't think of a third song

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Anyway, these people are

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A disgrace and whoo-hoo good times. Anyway, if you can't quite I

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Mean get it

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The parallels are very clear in terms of where the con

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Work is more important than the the actual content being portrayed

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And that's why these sorts of things are very relevant to our show, even if they aren't Alex Jones

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But if you like our show and want to hear more of us talking ad nauseum about Alex Jones

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You can go and find that stuff over at knowledge fight calm

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Indeed you can follow us on Twitter at that knowledge underscore fight. We're on Facebook. We are on Facebook

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You can go to iTunes. You can like you can support the show and

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Leave a review you can do a whole thing any of that shit. You can do it

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You can put us on message boards. We have their message do that

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We also have a Facebook group called go home and tell your mother. You're brilliant. Indeed. We do a lot of fun and

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Dan I believe it is your turn. No Lester. Yeah

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Mmm last time there was a cornucopia and now you have narrowed it down to a few key players

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I was one of whom plays the keyboard. I'm certain of who I

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Need to give the honors at the end of this episode

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There's a lot of musicians

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Televangelist married a member of journey a lot of musicians in the world

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A lot of them are very credible musicians and some of them have technical talent

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But also were pieces of shit right reasons that I don't know and actually I'm probably speaking out of turn

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I have no idea what their life is like but from the age of 19 or so. I decided this guy sucks

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and hey

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He didn't come up on this episode, but involved Neil Schoen

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From journey

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Neil Schoen go fuck yourself

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Andy in Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding

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Oh Alex, I'm a person color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you