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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're cool dudes. I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan!
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Jordan.
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Have you ever played a strategic board game besides Risk?
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That's an amazing question for you to be asking on this episode,
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and you'll find out why towards the end of the episode.
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No way.
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It is amazing.
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That's ridiculous.
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I don't know, what do you call, like, would Stratego count?
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I think I've played Stratego.
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I don't know.
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It's got strategy in the name, sort of.
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I almost bought Pandemic yesterday.
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Okay.
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So like Settlers of Catan, like that kind of stuff?
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I don't think I've ever played Settlers of Catan, but boy have I heard a lot about it from people.
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Yeah, yeah.
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People like to talk about it.
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How about cooperative board games?
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Like what? What counts as a cooperative board game?
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No idea. Crossfire?
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Uh, sorry?
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Sorry.
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I mean, what board game doesn't involve strategy?
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Okay.
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You really think about it.
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Okay.
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Uh, Candyland?
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Candyland does not.
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That does not require strategy.
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No, it doesn't.
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I played Candyland a couple of years back thinking it would be funny.
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It was boring.
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It's just rolling the dice.
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Is it even that?
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I don't know.
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I think it's just getting cards.
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Uh, they think they phased out Lord Licorice, which is very disappointing.
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Too scary for the kids.
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I don't know, man.
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I mean, I've played a bit of Risk in my day,
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but I think that might be the extent of the games like that that I've played.
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Yeah, I would say Risk is a strategy game.
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Old buddy Joe Fernandez, Chicago comedian.
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He'll have people over to play games every now and again.
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I've played a number of games that I can't remember the name of that I've enjoyed with him.
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Like one of them I think is called Coup.
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I've enjoyed that.
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That was a fun game.
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What's that about?
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I don't know.
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You overthrow a leader?
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Yeah, more or less.
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Okay, fair enough.
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It's a bluffing game, basically.
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Oh, okay.
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I got you.
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But there's, I don't know, I like games.
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I don't know any of them.
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I'd like to get more into board games.
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I would too, oddly enough.
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Hey, if you have any recommendations for board games, let us know.
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Because this is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones,
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but not a lot about cool new games.
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And I don't know any enough about either.
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That is correct.
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Jordan, today we are back in the past.
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And we'll be going over January 15th and 16th, 2013,
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in an attempt to find out how Alex Jones behaved in the aftermath of Sandy Hook.
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Short version to get you up to speed?
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So far, not great.
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Not great.
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Although weirdly, in our last episode, covering the 14th,
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he did get mad at a caller who wanted to say that Robbie Parker,
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one of the parents of one of the children who died at Sandy Hook, was an actor.
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Alex got mad at him and responded, I'm not going to talk about the parents of dead children.
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Which was a huge plot twist.
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Yeah, didn't see that one coming.
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So now we get into the 15th and 16th and see where it goes.
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But before we jump in too deeply, I'd like to take a moment to say thank you
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to some people who have joined up and are supporting the show.
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First of all, Scott, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Scott A.
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Thanks, Scott.
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Next, Nicole, thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Nicky.
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Thank you, Nicole.
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Next, Thomas.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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Tomás the tonk engine.
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Thanks, Nathan.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you.
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Thanks, Nathan.
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What are you doing?
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I don't know.
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Next, Abaddon the despoiler.
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There we are.
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Yeah, shorten that one.
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Abby, you're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you so much Abaddon the Despoiler.
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Thanks, Abby.
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Finally I'd like to say thank you to someone donated on an elevated level. We appreciate it also very much. So Iris
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Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat
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I'm a policy wonk
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Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop daddy shark
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser little little titty, baby
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I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much Iris
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Thank you very much Iris
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Blows my mind and it really it I don't know
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It's amazing. Yeah, so thank you all for your support and everything and let's
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Let's do this to kick out of this sentimentality that I'm feeling
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Let's listen to an out-of-context drop from today's show. I'm God. I'm I tell you what to eat
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I tell doctors what to do. That's a little bit a little bit narcissistic Alex
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God has a very narrow purview then. What are you gonna eat?
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So we jump in here on January 15th 2013
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And Alex has taken a little bit of a turn in his rhetoric. There is something that he is now preoccupied with
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That will probably take on your hunting season
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I wish and I want all the rest of our riders and everybody else out there should be beating the drum
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Beating the drum for all-out
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Impeachment and we're gonna impeach Obama publicly. Hold on Watson. Listen, remember this morning
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I called you and I said the way to go is to go after him and call for impeachment
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Paul Joseph Watson is silently on the phone
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For all the stuff they've done we need to put out our own articles of impeachment
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And I'm gonna talk about the articles of impeachment on air in the next hour
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Okay, you can go check everything I say historically and pull it up. There's at least ten reasons people always like the number ten
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Ten reasons to impeach Obama that we must impeach Obama now. Okay, we've got to get on the offense
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So the bad news is Alex has discovered listicles
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So that's that's dangerous
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And then the other thing is yeah, he always says that he never tells his writers what to do
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He's very clearly telling them what to do. Yeah, pretty much. So that's great. I sense a lot of a ironic
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Hypocrisy that's about to go on. What do you mean by that?
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I mean, we're gonna get a lot of reasons to impeach a president that will
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Echo our current situation. Would you accept being fake? Would you believe?
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That I didn't even care about that
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Yes, I would. Yeah, Oh
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Alex is what what he's doing is he's written his own articles of impeachment for Obama and then posted them on his website
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Right, right, right now Luther and now other
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Media things are reporting on that. So like Drudge Report has a link to Alex's story. Jesus Christ and the link is
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Citizens file articles of impeachment like it's not citizens. No, it's Alex Jones
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So he is a citizen, but it's not the same as like the idea of that headline is that like grassroots people are like
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Of course, you know as opposed to it being Alex fucking Jones and info wars
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Writing an article. Yeah, it's it's a it's an interesting way to plug that but that becomes how Alex reports the story
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That he has created. Yeah, just citizens call for Obama's
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uh, uh, uh, kicking out of office I called for his impeachment Drudge said I was a citizen therefore when I say
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Citizens call when I report on the story that I started, you know, it is now citizens call for impeachment
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This is great journalism. It is amazing
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So we know that Alex believes that the media and everybody is so against the founding fathers
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They hate George Washington. They hate the the greats, right?
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Um, it is evidence of that is always very thin, but it's never been this thin. Okay, what do we got here?
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They pre-program us they get us ready. This is brainwashing
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AMC is not satisfied with Mad Men's foray in the 1960s is setting a new comedy in colonial Boston
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Entitling it. We hate Paul Revere
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You and it's basically about two brothers who are not fans of
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industrialist and activist Paul Revere and
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Then the show reportedly from Deadline Hollywood just makes the founders look bad
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I mean, whoa a bunch of TV shows demonizing the founders. This is what a foreign occupation force does
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If
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That were true. Yeah. Yeah, we hate Paul Revere wouldn't have failed as a pilot
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It didn't get picked up at all. No, that's why no one remembers that
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That's why anyone who's listening to our episode and I was like, what is that show? It was never on
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Alex had to scour deadline
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to get mad about
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It's reading the trades
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AMC is helping to oh god. Well, oh my god, this is terrible. Yeah, that was when AMC
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He was trying to get into the comedy game a little bit
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That is weak sauce, but it should tell you like the depths that he needs to go to to get outraged
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Yeah, he has to get outraged about this
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Non-existent television show that was a pilot that was getting shopped around. God, isn't that wasn't that a beautiful time?
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remember when we all used to get mad about TV shows and
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a brown suits and now we're mad about crimes and the emoluments clause and
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Creeping fascism and right-wing terrorism. Is it fair to say it's creeping anymore? No, it's probably it
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No, it's actually 100% here. Isn't it sliding along? Yeah, we're real close
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Um, so yeah, that was a more innocent time and much like that was a more innocent time
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In that way, it's also a more innocent time in that on this January 15th episode
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Alex has introduced articles of impeachment against Barack Obama. Yes, and then spends most of the rest of the beginning of the show
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Doing a supplement
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infomercial course
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Out of the gates. Dr. Wallach. What is your take on the move to disarm the American people with executive orders?
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I mean if they can take the guns, they're gonna be able to take the supplements
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We
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Take away guns first and then the supplements what are you gonna do?
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We're gonna knock on your door and take all your supplements. We don't have a gun to defend your supplements
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Yeah, we'll take we got it. Yeah, I thought that was a really weird way to open up this
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Extended infomercial that Alex does with dr. Wallach. Uh-huh the idea of like, hey, you know, they're taking the guns next cut
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They're coming for you and the supplements like
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That is actually probably true. You think so?
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Well, not the order of it
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But like the same thing that could hurt illegal gun sales could hurt an unregulated supplement markets
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That's true in terms of like yeah. Okay, let's get rid of dangerous things. Yeah
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Well, I'm artists actually at this point it probably will go in that order because guns are a bit more of a pressing issue
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In the moment. Yeah, but then we'll regulate the supplement. I don't know
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We're never gonna make progress on the gun stuff though. We might actually make progress. So yeah, that's I doubt it
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Probably not. So, um, Alex Jones runs in the more recent days. He's had infowars life, which was
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A private labeling a lot of products that were created by dr. Group in the global healing center who is not a doctor
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No, he's not. He is a chiropractor and a con artist but before Alex got involved with dr
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Group, he had another sponsor and that is this. Dr. Wallach who also is not a doctor. He is a veterinarian
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He made the beyond tangy tangerine
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And all sorts of other products that Alex promotes and he plugs
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And like I said, I've made the point before so I don't focus on it too much, but he's not a human doctor
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He's a veterinarian though. He did get his veterinary degree from my alma mater at the University of Missouri
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So I'm pretty sure that means that he's cool enough to give humans medical advice. That does sound right back in the 1980s. Dr
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Wallach was treating cancer patients with a substance known as latrial which it should be pointed out definitely contains cyanide
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Doctors who have studied latrial as a possible cancer aid have been pretty clear in saying that it should not be used
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Quote, there's a considerable risk of serious adverse effects from cyanide poisoning after latrial
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Especially after oral ingestion the risk-benefit balance of latrial as a treatment for cancer is therefore
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unambiguously negative
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The drug is most memorable is one of the things that Steve McQueen tried in his unsuccessful fight against terminal cancer paying a quack doctor
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approximately
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$40,000 a month for latrial treatments that did nothing
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Just gave him a little more cyanide
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You know, it doesn't cure cancer, but it does kill it along with you. Sure
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Yeah in 1991 Wallach claimed he was nominated for a Nobel Prize
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Which is impossible for him to know since the Nobel Committee keeps nominees names confidential unless Japanese Prime Minister Abe says it out loud
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That's one possibility and now the only other
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Legitimate conclusion you can come to is that he nominated himself for a Nobel Prize 100% in 1995
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It was reported that Wallach was using chelation therapy to treat heart conditions, which is absolutely not an appropriate medical treatment for heart conditions
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That's very happy keys, right? No, that is basically just detoxing weird. It's bullshit
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Yeah
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He got into a little bit of trouble when a family member of one of his patients
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complained that the relative have died after Wallach told him not to go see a normal doctor and that his chelation detox routine was
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effective
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chelation therapy for heart disease treatment has been condemned by the NIH and quote every scientific medical organization that has reviewed it a
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few years prior Muhammad kevka kakvan
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Doctor in Houston was ordered to pay
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2.15 million dollars in damages to the family of a patient who died in his care in very similar
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Circumstances with chelation being used to treat heart disease. It's unclear why Wallach didn't end up in a similar situation
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But it might have something to do with the fact that Wallach's victims wife
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Never pressed charges and quote is also a disciple of Wallach's ideas and health care and had the body cremated
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Oh, I thought she just hated that
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Yeah, yeah, let's do this quack therapy you need to do a quack therapy I love it I love it three weeks later
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Oh
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Wallach's entire thing that he preaches now and sells on Alex Jones's show
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His whole idea is that everyone is secretly minerally deficient and they don't know it
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So his mineral rich supplements are all they need to cure all manner of illness and in theory live to their natural
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Lifespan that they should be living to write which is 120 to 140 years of course
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unfortunately quote in
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1993 a research team from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia reported the results of a 13-year study on
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10,758 Americans which failed to find any mortality benefits from vitamin and mineral supplements
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The study found that even though supplement users smoke and drink less than non users eat more fruits and vegetables than non users and are
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More affluent than non users. They didn't live any longer than non users. So
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Scientific studies have shown that his shit is weak
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Yeah, they probably believe in climate change too, Dan. You can't trust these CDC assholes
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Remember how every zombie movie starts with them going down. I don't trust the CDC
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They're why we have zombie movies, Dan. That's a fair point. Get some supplements
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So while it claims that even though there are these studies and stuff that show that he's full of crap
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He claims that he studied five distinct cultures that have lifespans that he calls natural which again is between 120 and 140 years
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I assume he talked about Okinawa. Mmm. I don't remember the exact ones, but I know that one of them is the Abkhazia region
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That's fun or not in Russia as it were
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He claims that these people live long because they drink what he calls quote glacier milk, which is
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It's just water that's filled with colloidal minerals
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Oh people have looked into these ideas have speculated that he's just making this stuff up Oh
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Joel Wallach is a dangerous lunatic and his appeal to people is so in line with what Alex Jones
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Does that when you really think about it?
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It makes complete sense that he's an early sponsor of the show
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Wallach exploits two things to sell his products and they're very similar to what Alex exploits. Hope and resentment
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Wallach offers a simplistic and completely unproven explanation for everything that ails you
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Everything that's wrong with your health isn't has an easy fix. It's all just minerals
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You just got to buy his pills and you'll be good as new. This is false
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Hope Alex does the same thing with politics by distilling very complicated situations with many different perspectives and interests
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He turns that all into a battle between a good guy Patriots and evil overpowered globalists
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Each of them hijacked the part of your brains that yearns for an easy answer
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For a hard question and gives you hope that it could just be that simple
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Wallach also harnesses resentment to sell his wares
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most people who most people don't love the medical field almost everyone's had some sort of a bad experience with a doctor or at a
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Clinic or have a loved one who had some sort of a medical complication or something like that
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So it's pretty easy to suggest that your bad experience, you know, it wasn't coincidence or bad luck
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It was actually the medical establishment being too dumb or too corrupt to even care about treating you sounds right
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If only they'd listened to dr. Wallach and given you his minerals, then you wouldn't have had that bad experience
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Uses that to tap into people's resentment or their bad experiences in order to convince them to come to his side
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Alex does the same thing with the government. We all have some complaints about the government
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It's very natural since the government does a lot of shitty things
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The problem is that Alex takes those feelings and uses them to push people towards his own goals as opposed to allowing them to feel
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Their disappointment and resentment towards the government and let that grow into whatever form of civic action
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They feel is appropriate. It again is a hijacking of normal fairly universal feelings for exploitative purposes
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So it makes total sense that he's here on Alex's show
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Doing this infomercial. It's weird that it takes up so much of the show. It generally sounds like a tag team
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Situation where you have like one guy one guy's directing one guy's dr
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Mario and one guy is coming out to the ring and a American flag
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Dr. Mario the other guy is dr. Robotnik with his mean bean machine. Perfect. Okay. Love it
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Yeah, it's very strange to me that you know
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We've had this this progression over time of his show from the day of Sandy Hook into just gun
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extremism
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wall to wall
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Then Alex goes on Piers Morgan's show and then it's a just navel-gazing festival of I'm so awesome
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Nobody can stop talking about how great I am on the biggest story in the world and then out of nowhere this huge infomercial
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It's very strange. Is it well, like he's capitalizing on that popularity. No, I think probably yeah
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That would make that would make the most sense, you know now that you're hot and you got a lot more eyes on you
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That's when you sell from a marketing perspective. Absolutely. Yeah, but from a progression and narrative standpoint, it's very strange. Oh, yeah
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Also, I should tell you this
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Dr. Wallach's company Young Jevity is a multi-level marketing operation
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Yeah, oh, it's a multi-level marketing operation that Alex is helping him recruit people into specifically naturally
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Which kind of leads us smoothly into this next clip because I'll tell you what, dr. Wallach didn't come alone
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But I also wanted to talk about solutions here today and a few weeks ago. It's one of the most popular news
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We've done on health. I wanted to get
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Theo Ratliff on the broadcast. He just retired. He was able to stay in the NBA
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Ten years more than he would have a dr
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Joel Wallach's research and we promote all the products that they've developed and in force health comm when you purchase them there
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It also supports our transmission
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So I've got Theo back on to talk about his experience just with minerals and vitamins. So yes, Theo Ratliff NBA
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One time all-star. I know Ratliff. I really thought it was going to be someone else
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I did not expect medium longevity
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Top 20 blockers of all time at this point in the NBA history
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Journeyman, he's a journeyman. Yeah, no
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Nothing against his his skills or anything like that
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Oh
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but the idea that Alex is saying that he could play ten years longer than normal because of the like he played for
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15 16 seasons a normal career isn't just five seasons. The average is yeah, really?
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Yeah, the average is pretty low because you don't you don't think about the fact that there are 15 guys on the team
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You know, right there there but rotation of about eight people who wind up playing and then the rest of them
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Just are part of the practice squad
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So if you're not moving along in your career you wind up only playing for a few years
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But a lot of that doesn't come down to like physical deterioration
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No, absolutely just a select amount of spots, right?
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It's it's it's more a talent gap than it is a like everyone's body breaks
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100% from listening to this interview which we're not going to listen to any of Theo stuff because I don't trust him
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But also because his main point you would say you're blocking him right now
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Yeah, his main point seems to be that he got surgery at some point and then also started taking Wallach's
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Supplements. Oh, so we got a classic case where he's
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Claiming whatever benefits he gained from having a successful hip surgery are actually attributable to these supplements right coincidence
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You know correlation causation situation. Absolutely
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That's a good bad bad name
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And then I also found this which made me not want to listen to his interview on our show
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Hey guys, hey young deputy family in Las Vegas
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Las Vegas, you know, well, it's me here at theo
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your guy
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Rip the Lakers, you know run it up and down the floor trying to get this championship
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it's great great to see you guys up here with you guys and
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Sorry, I can't be there in person
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But you know this message, you know
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It's a good message for you guys and you know, just want to say thank you
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You know for all the things you've done in my life
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to help me continue my career and
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continue to be
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energetic person and have this great product to be able to go out and
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to just introduce people to
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Something that's healthy and something that can give them the energy that they need, you know constantly throughout their life. So
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Great great great great. Have a great great time in Vegas
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I enjoy yourself. Don't lose your money
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Nobody enjoy yourself
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Like I said, sorry come be here with you guys, you know
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I said, I love all you guys and I thank you for all that you've done
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I'm so I Theo Ratliff that was a video that he made for a you know, it sounds like a conference
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It is a Las Vegas conference. He played it. They were all the multi-level marketing company
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They had a conference in Las Vegas and he recorded a message for the people who attended this conference
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He could have used an editor, but you know, what are you gonna do? He's a paid representative of
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Young Jevity so him appearing on Alex's show is basically just like hey, here's one of our celebrity
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Reps, this is our spokesperson. Yeah, exactly. This is just a shameful
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Yeah, I mean, whatever he's got, you know, he's making money. Yeah, I
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Know I I do think it's probably a little bit less ethical than just like yeah, he's getting paid
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Whatever just because it is still luring people into a multi-level marketing scan. Yeah
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also, is it
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Disclosed that he's associated with the Young Jevity just that he loves the product just that he loves and they extended his career
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Isn't that crazy? Yeah, you kind of have to look around and find that video of him
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And dig a little bit more into the indications that he's a paid chill
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up
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Representative rep. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Um, so I told you earlier that
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Our friend, dr. Joel Wallach is not so much a human doctor as he is
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Veterinarian and that could be a problem for most people. Well, they're not supposed to practice or give medical advice to humans
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It does seem like that is something that people lose their licenses over but Alex knows that if you look into him too much
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You'll find out that he's a veterinarian. So he has a rebuttal for that in it already. Yeah. Oh boy
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For my that's know this because their job is actually to deliver food
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Beef and things to the market and not have it die not bankrupt the industry
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So that's why you get real medicine there you get better doctoring from veterinarians
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If you let me see if you followed this because you seem like you got the gears turn. Um, I'm
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Looking into this right? I've written down a little bit of what it was that he's saying. So if I understand correctly
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That's no better medicine because their job is to get beef from one place to another
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And because of that they won't mess with the industry, I think yeah, I mean on a simplistic level
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Yes, what he's saying is the doctors don't care if they kill you because you can't eat you
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Their market isn't predicated upon
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Beef. Yes. Yes
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Yes, so if cows die that is negative to the beef market. Sorry
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Veterinarian
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Does he deal with does he deal with no, I know I really don't think he does
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No, I so I assume he you know does more does more pet stuff
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I think he was working at a zoo at some point according to his own
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Sort of telling of his life at the time that he was at the zoo
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He was saying he was doing all kinds of like
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Autopsies on animals and they said he was killing in a 12-year span. He claimed that he had done
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3,000 autopsies on humans
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Which is crazy
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Like in-house humans a
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Lot of people falling in and dying and they're just like well, we got to figure out why he died
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The details are murky and he's obviously making it up
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But it looks like the giant bite marks might have something to do with it uses that as like sort of
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Defense for his argument that he did all these autopsies and what he's like. Oh everyone who dies of natural causes
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It's really just a mineral deficiency, right?
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Right, because I was working at the zoo and I did autopsies on a bunch of people for some reason, you know
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Cuz it turns out he's actually a doctor from the 1920s. He's a mess man. Just stealing stealing bodies to do autopsies
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Dr.
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Is fucking crazy that is crazy, but there's a question that Alex wants to ask him and that is the Alex
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How's Don DeGran?
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Alex has been taking these supplements the beyond tangy tangerine the other ones whose names I can't remember that one is catchy
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Yeah, that's why I can remember it. What is it? It's like
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What's that stuff that you sprinkle into water and it becomes juice crystal light crystal light?
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I think it's like crystal light. So it's just crystal light, but it's got minerals. Okay. All right. Okay
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It's like a crystal light with a bunch of rocks in it. That sounds great. Delicious. Give me some minerals
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So Alex has been taking these supplements and he's been noting that he's noticing that he's been getting really agro lately
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And he wants to ask dr. Wallach
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Why is it that I take your supplements and I've been getting aggressive I've been I've been turning into like I've been angry
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So I'm gonna take this commercial and turn it into why is this ruining my life? He talks about it quite a bit
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He brings it up a couple times and here is Wallach answering that question
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Why did it make me feel? I mean, I was always naturally kind of an aggressive guy
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I'm angry some of the time and stuff, but I mean not in a bad way
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Why when I take me on tangy tangerine essential fatty acids and things like rebound and stuff
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Why does it make me bounce off the walls and have so much more energy?
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Well, because your testicles Alex god love them
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Require all 90 essential nutrients to make testosterone
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So if you're eating four to six eggs a day, you're taking the Alex pack twice a day because you're a big guy
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You're gonna produce enough testosterone to make an elephant happy and so you don't need to do any doping here
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You don't need to take testosterone patches and all that kind of stuff
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You just give your body what it needs and you'll make enough testosterone that you will be a man's man
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That's what's happening to you. Notice that he's becoming a man's man because his balls are working now
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I don't like their definition of man. No, I think it's bad
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Well, Alex being more agro him turning into a man's man. Yeah, I don't sound good
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Mm-hmm. I don't I don't also that's not a good none of that was good
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No, I all of the things that he said were bad things for your body your testicles
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He told me he told me bad thing eat four to six eggs
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No, I was trying to go on the craziest egg day, yeah
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Maybe two. Well, did you see they did a Fox News?
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Piece where they went to a shitty restaurant and in front of or not. Just like a dive
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breakfast place and in front of every
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People every person that they interviewed the prop guys apparently put ten eggs in front of them
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Just every single one. They just rotated ten eggs
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This and I don't know I don't understand what the point was insane. What's the point of this? Nobody could eat ten eggs. Oh, what?
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What's the point? I don't understand what they were trying to do. Is it just sloppy set dressing?
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No, somebody must be fucking with us
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Okay
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That has to be why would you put the same plate of ten eggs in front of everybody while you're interviewing that is very weird
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That's crazy. Right? Yeah in less unless 18 people are eating ten eggs in the same restaurant
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it's entirely possible that this was a
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Ten egg Tuesday. Yeah
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Shay
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Deez wolf
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house of ten eggs
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It's entirely possible
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And if that restaurant does exist, I have one thing to say and that is it's time to pray
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Now George yes on our first episode we ever did we heard Alex Jones tell us that if they take out net in Yahoo
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It's all over it. That's time to marry in the coal mine. It's time to pray it is time to pray
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Yeah in the intervening two and a half years almost now that we've been doing this podcast
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We've never heard him explicitly tell us another time that it is time to pray time to pray
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It's time to pray it's time to pray
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And that's the sound I feel like I should make just whoo, whoo
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Man, they're gonna take everything the fact they're going after the guns. It means they mean business
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It's time to pray yeah
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He was a little bit more confident this time though
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And he doesn't then end up going into a prayer as he did the last time we heard this but yeah
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But I kind of want to hear that prayer again. Yeah, the guns. He's like the guns are gonna be taken away
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It's time to pray it's time to pray. So that's all we got on the 15th because
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Largely, most of the show is that dr. Wallach?
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Infomercial and then Alex bang in the gong for his impeachment articles, right?
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It's so it's like well, there's not a whole lot going on here, you know
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The story doesn't evolve far past. I have decided that I'm going to put in articles of impeachment
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Yeah, and then he can you do that?
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well
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He crows a whole lot about the idea that the founding fathers set up the government in such a way that citizens
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Write the articles of impeachment and then the politicians can pick them up and run with them, right? Yes, they might be true
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Yeah, I don't want to look into that fine if you want to believe that great and you know what I wouldn't want it
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Not to work that way. Yeah
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So I don't care
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But we get into the 16th and on January 16th
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2013
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Barack Obama has a press conference where he talks about gun control and he talks
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He has a bunch of the children around him and they he discusses
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common sense gun reform that he would like to push through yeah and like to work on and
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Alex plays a bit of the press conference and lo and behold. He can't stop interrupting it
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You can't even hear it over him being combative and yelling
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Do you hate that concealed carry is pushing back your urban crime wave?
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You hate the fact that people in big cities illegally have guns to protect themselves. You hate it
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You want total control to do dots whatever you want you gangster thug?
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Seems like there's some coded language in there. So he's talking about
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urban areas
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Specifically and then he says he's a thug, right?
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It does it does seem like there's a little bit of I don't know. That's just just a thought
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So those I don't need pause the speech to get a little bit of yelling
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Whatever in this next clip Alex talks about how Joe Biden seemed very thrilled during that press conference
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And I think this drifts into Alex's fantasies a tiny bit and Biden could hardly stop smiling
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He's trying to have a serious look and I want to a piece on that alert to the real media out there Biden a bunch
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Was going called first introducing Obama. He was trying out to smile. He's going
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Yeah, I'm a gangster I mean Biden is a gangster fine, okay, but that characterization is still off a little bit
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People in the real media. Yeah, he wouldn't want to admit that part, right? Well, I'm a
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Question whether when he's saying the real media he's talking about like maybe drudge Fox News and that kind of stuff
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I don't even think he likes Fox News at this point. Not yet
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Yeah, but I think he was saying, you know drudge pick this up as opposed to it being like a NPR, right?
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Not the legacy media or whatever
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So his analysis of this is largely just Obama and Biden can't wait to get their hands on the guns
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They're giddy about it and they're using these kids as a human shield
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And I mean, it's pretty pretty gross
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But he can't really cover a whole lot of it because it's happening as he's doing the show
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Yeah, so he's trying to respond to it live and he ends up just having the posits we can yell or yelling over Obama
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Right, right. His usual modus operandi, right, right
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And so I think maybe the producers stepped in or maybe he just realized it himself
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It was like we could just cut clips and I could talk about this later. Yeah, let's not do this
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as it's happening
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And so Alex starts spinning yarns about what he would be doing if he didn't have to be in this battle against the globalists
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Which this is so they didn't have anything planned other than responding to that speech. This is a pretty crazy thought
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If we turn this country around I would literally have a show about science and a show about literature and movies and about
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Camping and stuff. I would have a once a week three-hour radio TV show
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A variety show. Yes. I mean I have like magicians. I want that to have a interesting
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You know what Alex Jones Johnny Carson show? Okay. I don't like having to do this. No one's making you
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Give somebody greenlight that look we hate Paul Revere was terrible
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I guess but god damn it if I don't want to watch a show about whatever Alex is thinking about that day
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Oh, and maybe there's gonna be a magician Alex's Sunday shows are such trash now. Why not? Just do that there
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Yeah, that'd be great. Alex runs an operation where he could he has literally unlimited screen time
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He could do whatever he wants. That's true
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It would be pretty amazing to see him try to be Johnny Carson
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Ooh, and then he would go do remote pieces in the woods being like, alright guys
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Here's how we're gonna tie this knot right now and start a fire
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The only fucking comedian who would come on his show is fucking Nick DiPaolo at this point
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If he was doing a variety show, I might go on a show if he could do it
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No, that's no good. Yeah, he's never gonna give that up. That's the cash cow passion project
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Alex Jones as Johnny Carson
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Want that show now
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So that's you know, you stir it
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He's sort of saying they're like if we could turn this country around
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You got that look to look forward to it, which I think is probably the best incentive to turn this country around
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Yeah, you would think that after Trump was elected. He'd be like it's time, baby
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Yeah, so as he as he's sort of just rambling and talking freely
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He ends up expressing something that I find very interesting
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And that is that he does wish to live in a polite society, which is good
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Good um, that's good untrustworthy we should all aspire to live
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in peace and happiness and
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politeness
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We can't because of guys like him. Well, here's why his version of it is really problematic
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Listen to this clip and see if you follow his train of thought and how politeness is achieved
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the reason the British are so polite is that it goes back to the age of chivalry in the 15th 16th 17th century if you
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Were rude to someone and it all came out of the Enlightenment and people becoming free
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It was I don't care who you are. You insult me. You'd be a lord. You'd be anybody
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You're gonna get in a fight with me
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I'm gonna call you out and no one's gonna associate with you ever again
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If you don't pull your sword or walk your 20 paces and we're gonna fight to the death right now
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Okay, you just insulted me. You just acted like a tough gang banger get out in the street. Somebody's gonna die right now
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It's actually an armed society is a polite society and if you're watching me on TV today
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If you're watching the radio streams on TV right now
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You notice I'm wearing a sore camouflage. He's in camo. Oh, oh my god, boo
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so what he's expressing there is an idea that politeness is really only achieved by the
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Implied or explicit threat of mortal violence. Yeah, that does sound like what he's saying. I don't want to live in that world the
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constant
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unyielding threat on a
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Moment by moment basis. Uh-huh. Everything you do is predicated on your fear of somebody murdering
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You're impolite to somebody death. You're gonna die or they are right, which is even worse if you're impolite to somebody
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You might have to murder them. Yeah, that's a bad way to live
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I would rather live in a world where
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people recognize that it's a much more pleasant existence to be nice to people and you
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Enjoy your life a lot more when people are nice to you and you can just sort of I don't know
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Externalize that and apply that to other people's feelings. Yeah, I realize that if it makes you feel good
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It probably makes them feel good. That does sound right. Why not us all live in a very polite nice happy place
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I don't like what you said draw your sword
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I
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Can definitely hear a happy elephants amount of testosterone in his voice right now. Yes
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't I think that what he's
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Accidentally, maybe not accidentally. I'm not entirely sure but what he's
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Expressing and describing is a dystopian state
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but I would never want to live in and what he's using to justify it has
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Zero resemblance to what he thinks it is what he's saying. It is. No, that's pretty calm
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It has no nothing to do with polite society and medieval times. Nope
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So in this next clip Alex has expressed his feelings about politeness
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He's talked about wanting to be the next Johnny Carson once the globalists are taken care of magicians, and I think he's feeling pretty good
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Okay, and so he's feeling magnanimous. Okay. He's introduced his articles of impeachment against Obama
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So it's only a matter of time everything is coming up Alex and he decides it's time to bury the hatchet with some people
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But when it's all said and done the people that have fought this tyranny, none of us are perfect
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But the folks over at world net daily people like drudge and his crew my crew
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Man there's so few I mean I've got to be honest
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There's so few that really are hardcore that really know what's going on
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He's not perfect in many ways, but he defends the Bill of Rights Michael Savage
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I
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Mean, there's just not many Glenn Beck, you know does nasty stuff to me on the side
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But he does a lot of good work. So, you know what?
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As long as he doesn't say Ron Paul's porter should be arrested again. Like you said four years ago
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I want to bury the hatchet with Glenn Beck. It's just I said that a lot then he
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comes out says I'm a fascist but
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You know what fascists wear fancy suits. They don't wear camo. All right, stop talking about work
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That does not compute at all. No, I would even argue right now that fascists wear camo and some wear fancy suits
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Yeah, that's true. I don't think clothing dictates your fascism level. That's a good question. I
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Think this is University of Missouri get on it. I think this is so fascinating the idea that he he's like
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Hey, you know what going back school. Let's bury the hatchet
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I always try and be nice to him and then he calls me a fascist that makes me think that Glenn Beck has something
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Akin to decent sense. Yeah, I know he doesn't
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He's a he's a ludicrous monster. Yeah, and a douche. Yeah, but the idea that he would never respond to Alex's overtures with like
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Oh, right. Let's bury the hatchet. That leaves me to believe that there's at least something working in his brain
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Yeah, like I know better
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I know better than to accept an overture from this man. Yeah. Yeah
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He probably wants to be separate from Alex the same way like he likes Alex the same way Alex likes the KKK
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You know are the people who criticize him for who call him?
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Anti-semitic because so long as Alex seems even crazier
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Yeah, that's almost makes sense Glenn Beck's business model doesn't work out if they get along. Yeah, he needs Alex to be a foil to him
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otherwise
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It's too clear. They're both crazy. It's too clear that they're both
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Yeah, so in this next clip Alex starts rambling about
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a
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Athenian democracy
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Right, are we sure but where's Solon coming in here so long doesn't come up
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But it does give us a good opportunity to learn about some mythical figures. We're not a pure democracy the
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Greeks had a pure democracy for a while in some of their city-states
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they'd have a bucket of white rocks for a yes vote black rocks for a no vote and and the
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The voters
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Would go and put their rocks in there
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Only the upper gentry got to vote, but that was a democracy of the elite
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Like what?
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Aesop just said I don't like it. Well the rocks say
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90% of the rocks say you stop
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We're gonna throw you off that cliff. We're gonna make you drink him luck
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I'm mixing them all together a bunch of most of famous philosophers here about were killed
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You know what? We don't like what you say. You're gonna die. How does that sound see because the pen is mightier than the sword
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But when they come for the sword, you know, they're dropping the hammer
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That's an interesting transitive property of
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Well, I know it's not though because it's we have no idea
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The power relation of the hammer to the pen or the sword. Yeah, I want to I want a perfect DPS rating for each of these
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I have no idea Alex doesn't either but it sounded good kind of yeah when you know
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The pen is mightier than the sword, but when they take the sword, they're dropping the hammer right in a vacuum
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His version of Grecian or
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Hellenic democracy is a little bit. It's a little more complicated. Oh, I don't care to give you a lecture about
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The difference between various city-states and the boule and what have you not important
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Yeah, I do want to talk about a SOP and Socrates though. That sounds good
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We've talked a bit in the past about the death of Socrates
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So again, I don't want to get too depth in depth into that right now
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But suffice it to say that he had only himself to blame for the situation
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He was in the Athenians were primarily concerned with him being blasphemous
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And harassing people in the public square and they put him on trial for it when he was found guilty
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He was given the chance to choose his own punishment and he said that he should be given free meals for life at which point
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They were like, all right. Fuck it. We're gonna kill you
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yep, even after being sentenced to death it was very clear that they didn't really want to kill him and they would be totally cool if
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He just left town since the main issue is that he was harassing everyone with his lectures
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Since he believed so strongly in the rule of law and of Athenian democracy
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Socrates refused to save his own life by leaving since his death was what the law decided was his own punishment
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Yeah, he was a dick. He was a big dick. He was just a dick
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He's a real asshole bothering everybody by asking him questions incessantly
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Yeah, he annoyed everybody and it was blasphemous to the to the
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then
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prevalent conceptions of divinity so
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Think about how much of an asshole you need to be for people to try not to kill you and
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Still have to go through with it. That's a huge asshole. It's pretty bad. Yeah, I mean it is a it is a real level of
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You know
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curiosity and bombastic ness eating a lot of eggs. Yeah to be able to like it
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All right, we find you guilty of blasphemy. What should your punishment be?
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Feed me for life
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He's got huge testicles god bless him as for a SOP the the only things anyone even knows about his life come from
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fairly unreliable sources that border on legend
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Existing most likely entirely as oral tradition for about 600 years before they were ever written down
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It said that he was thrown off a cliff in Delphi having been accused of stealing a cup from a temple
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Other sources say that the reason he was killed was because he got really mad at the crowd in Delphi at a speech
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He was giving when they didn't give him any money calling the Delphians quote slaves of all Greeks
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Because of this great offense to the dignity of the city of Delphi and worrying that if he left the city
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He would bring great shame to the reputation by talking shit about them wherever he went
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Some have suggested that the priests in the city planted a cup in his baggage to set a SOP up
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When the Delphians took a SOP to the cliff from which he was to be thrown
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He recited two very insulting fables to them and called on the muses to avenge his death and then threw himself off the cliff
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To his death. I have had some bad shows
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I've insulted doubts. Yeah
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I
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Mean tonight you're gonna be in Rockford
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You got time. Yep. Yep
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So other versions of the story involved him insulting the religious traditions of Delphi
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Calling their ritual sacrifices greedy which led to him getting charged with blasphemy being stoned to death and then his body thrown off a cliff
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He was fed stones for the rest of his life though. He didn't have much of a life left
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Oh, there's a lot of versions of the story and it's not entirely clear if any of them are actually literally true
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Because it's all passed down through 600 years of oral tradition, right? Whatever the case
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There's some sort of a mythical reality these to these stories
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But no real reality a large piece of how this story was used
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Was to create an explanation for subsequent famine and violence against the citizens of Delphi
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Within the oral tradition these events were not just bad luck or an isolated war
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They were the consequences of Delphi a morally killing Aesop the entire affair takes on a cosmic importance in a poetic narrative
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When you study oral tradition, you find a lot of this sort of thing story is transformed to fit stereotypes and archetypes
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And you see it in the story of Aesop's death as it becomes the story of a scapegoat that explains
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These famines and these wars he became his own fable indeed
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Yeah, Alex doesn't understand any of this stuff
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But it's really funny just to see this little glimpse and see that he believes that lore is true throughout all of history
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It's so weirdly consistent how unable he is to get out of this little this framework
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You know of just thinking well
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Old timers said it's true
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You know that is that is kind of fascinating in in the way that because we know he can't read and
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hates
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Word that is fast his belief naturally leans towards the oral tradition anything
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That's said he believes anything that's written down
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Terrifies him yeah the old whiskey bards have passed
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tale of patriots of old
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Bully, so we had Joel Wallach and NBA great Theo Ratliff come in on the last episode
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Can I just can I just confirm he did say?
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glacial milk
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Yeah, glacier milk glacier milk. Yes, okay
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That does not sound like something that you would want to be anywhere near I do actually be glacier milk
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Yeah, you just went to a glacier and I think
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Milks have had great batting averages for me chocolate milk strawberry milk right milk milk. How about soy milk?
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Oh, I don't hate soy milk almond milk is okay, too
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I don't know. I think banana milk is probably the only one I've had that's terrible
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I can't even imagine looking at banana milk and not kicking it out of my hand well
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I got tricked because it was a nice quick
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So it's like I'll give it a shot. Yeah, it wasn't good your your novelty flavors
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Are a double-edged sword you live by the novelty you die by the novelty
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So Alex had those guys on the show as a big hoopla publicity
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Infomercial thing on the 15th and now on the 16th. He has another guest on
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We've got to hit him with the info war the truth now
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I give you a James David Manning a chief pastor at the atla world
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Missionary Church reaches millions of people every month online and a big church there in town and has a huge soup kitchen program
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It's non-government run for the citizens of the area. That's great
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So Alex's show in early 2013 is so weird
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He's completely transformed his narrative over the course of a few weeks
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So now without a fair amount of context and understanding which we're able to
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Under you know have because we've spent the time looking at it. It would be easy to not even recognize what he's done
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After Sandy Hook Alex wrestled for a little while with how the shooting was probably staged by the globalists even dipping his toe into they
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Were actors their kind of waters
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He needed the event to be suspect because if the globalists are behind the shooting then that goes a long way
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Towards proving that Alex is right that this only happened as a justification to take his guns
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So the narrative pivots and his show becomes nothing short of a gun paranoia
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Doom porn kind of thing for weeks with every person who comes on the show being people like Larry Pratt and Stuart Rhodes
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And they show up constantly to lend credibility to Alex's screaming about how the big one is coming
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I think Dwayne the rock Johnson was in some doom porn. Yeah, he was yeah
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uh-huh
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This pageant culminates with Alex doing a huge publicity stunt starting a petition to get Piers Morgan deported over gun issues
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Of course that was really just the opening volley because Piers played along and the real culmination is Alex going on Piers Morgan's show
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And yelling at him about how you're gonna take the guns in 1776 blah blah blah that narrative played out exactly as it was supposed to
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Alex has penetrated the mainstream news and everyone making fun of him is just more proof that he's actually right
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That is now fully implanted so the narrative has to pivot again
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Instead of treading water in the gun paranoia bucket Alex is able to build further upon the block
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That he's created in order to get to his next step
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This is a classic game of what I would describe as if this is true
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What what else must be true if the globalist stage Sandy Hook?
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It must also be true that they're doing that to come for Alex's guns if they're coming for Alex's guns
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What else must be true it must also be true that the only thing that we can do is impeach Obama
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This show feels completely different now in these couple of days
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And you see it with these completely different guests and an obsessive focus on Obama and getting him out of office
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With banging the drum of the impeachment screaming over his press conference when Alex needs to push gun paranoia
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He can call Pratt or Ted Nugent when he needs to push financial collapse narratives
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He can call Gerald Cilenti or Peter Schiff and now that the theme of the show has changed to we love
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From we love guns get ready to use your guns to we should impeach the president
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He has a disgusting attempt at a publicity stunt with the Obama phone lady and now he's called in the most
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Anti Obama person around Reverend James David Manning. Yep. He is using this specifically
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This is very interesting the way that these narratives build upon each other
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And he knows well enough to jump off and pivot before it becomes stagnant. Yeah, it's it's very interesting to me
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I've been waiting for Manning to come back up on the show
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Because the sense the last time we talked about him he's found himself in a little bit of trouble
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When we did our episode covering Manning we discussed a leaked tape of him sexually harassing a former student at his outlaw school
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While alone in a car with her someone who was conservatively 50 years younger than him
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She was 18 when the tape was recorded but in it Manning discusses how he started having sexual feelings for her when she began at
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His school when she was 14. He talks about wanting to pull up her skirt and says quote you've got an incredible body. I
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Ended up editing that portion of our episode out at that point because I couldn't find any sources that I would consider
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Credible that were reporting on the tape
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So I thought that there was the smallest possibility that it was someone doing a really really good Reverend Manning impression
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since then the Huffington Post did an extensive investigation of Manning's outlaw church and the verdict is in it is fine for us to talk about
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This and the picture of it is much darker than it appeared even when we covered it
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Even as dark as a 70 year old man impotently flirting with one of his former students. Absolutely is that's very dark
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But the reality is much worse
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Manning is a real pile of shit. I don't
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Mmm, speaking to many former attendees of Manning's school
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Which is an offshoot of his church a picture firmly
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Forms of a lunatic cult leader who because of his position wields an unbelievable level of power
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Which he's more than happy to abuse
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The first thing to consider is that parents who would put their kids in his school are almost certainly members of his church
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And if that's the case
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Then they almost certainly think Manning is the most godly person in the world and humanity's only chance
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He's created a messianic thing about himself and we've seen that demonstrated pretty clearly like in all the clips
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We've played where he yells from the pulpit about how he's immortal. Yeah, for instance. Yeah
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Yeah, that one that one's a good sign good sign that if you're putting up with that you have a distorted view of this guy
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Yeah, you got it all
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So all this creates a fucked-up situation where Manning can use abusive punishments for students
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Like in the case of a student he locked in the church basement in the dark for three full school days back in 2011
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Yeah
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What the student wasn't allowed to eat on the first day and said that his thoughts drifted to suicide as the minutes dragged on
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In the dark alone in the basement that is fucked up that student said his parents approved Manning's punishment because they believed he was
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Infallible great great. So James day, so he's he's he's the Arpaio of God. Hmm
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Incidentally what that student was being punished for was dating a girl and being sexually active that girl didn't get punished
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But it's probably just a coincidence that she was the one who later recorded Manning telling her
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She had a great body wanted to see her breath. Oh, that's fucked up. It's a little fucked up. Everything's fucked up
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That's the most fucked up thing. I've heard. Yeah, what?
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So, oh my god
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so he slept with an
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Underaged girl that he wanted to sleep with and so the guy put him in a fucking basement without lights for three days
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I am not saying that a led to be led to see but boy, it looks like it did Jesus Christ. Yeah, holy fuck
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The dynamics you read about in this HuffPost article are terrifying
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These kids are being abused whether it's through the kinds of allegedly biblical
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Punishments he employs or through Manning's use of his own YouTube videos as curriculum for their education and the kids can't leave
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Because their parents believe that the school's headmaster is infallible and he's made a practice of convincing parents to disown their children when they question
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Him too much just think about the situation that puts these kids in they can either put up with
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Literally, whatever Manning wants to do to them or they can risk being disowned and expelled and immediately becoming homeless and a high school dropout
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And that's not a hypothetical either
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That's literally what happened to multiple students who believed that the tape of Manning sexually harassing his former student was real and it happened to
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Joshua Farr who Manning baselessly accused of being gay
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Who was then kicked out of the school and became a homeless high school dropout and then later also to that guy's brother Isaiah
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Then Derek Mills was kicked out for refusing to end his friendship with Isaiah
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Inevitably Manning always makes the abuse he inflicts on these people their own fault
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After he kicked the students out who believed that that tape of him was real. He said this from the pulpit quote
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Sharif Hassan, that's the guy who got locked in the basement and
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And yeah
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Hassan's friends have been led down a path of destruction by following him and perhaps even believing him
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Many of you tonight do not have your children with you because of the lie perpetrated and false and doctored tape
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Perpetrated by Hassan. He fucking said that from the pulpit
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God, yeah, he said that yeah said that like that's an okay thing to say
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He said many of you have lost your children. Yeah, because your kids are liars
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fuck
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Yep, he goes on to call the students who he had expelled and made homeless quote demons
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The Huff Post article includes this image which I find endlessly terrifying
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Quote the the former students watched on their computers and phones horrified at the idea of their parents and siblings sitting in the audience
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intermittently
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Participating in claps and cheers as Manning calls their children demons
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It's terrifying
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Also in one article I read I can't confirm that this is the case
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But in another article they said that they spoke to former church members who said that
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Manning asked them to shit in bags and leave them at gay-owned businesses
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So in retaliation for a sodomite sending him a bucket of poop
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He has taken it upon himself to spread poop amongst the land
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I would question whether that sodomite ever sent him a bucket of poop or if it was him projecting about what he was
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Doing yeah, so this is gross cult leader shit
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And I guess that the only positive is that the Huff Post covered it and hopefully the word is starting to get out
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This man is a dangerous lunatic who's abusing his congregation for his own enrichment
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Four former congregants told Huff Post that quote Manning decided a few years ago
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The congregants weren't donating enough of their income to the church
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That's when he started imploring followers to give him access to their bank accounts
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He told them they didn't know how to manage their money and that he would take better care of it than they could
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Which is something that cool pastors do
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What makes all this extra scary is that in 2016
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We got a glimpse into how Manning might respond if his grip on his flock was ever truly threatened
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He owed about a million dollars in utility bills and back taxes and his church was in danger of being foreclosed on
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Manning did not deal with that well
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Quote in a moment of apparent desperation Manning made a video threatening to barricade himself inside the church with kids from the community
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He said the standoff could turn violent even quote worse than wounded knee
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It's unclear if he was imagining himself as being the US cavalry or the Lakota in that analogy
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But whatever the case is
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It's clear that he was sending a message that if anyone tried to come take his building
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He was perfectly fine using the children of his congregation as human shields
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That takes on particular importance on today's episode
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Alex Jones spends a lot of time talking about how Obama
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Obama is using these children at his press conference as human shields when he's talking about gun regulation
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It's a gross way for Alex to attack the idea that there are youths who are affected by gun violence and are in favor of
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Gun control, but it becomes even grosser to realize that the guy Alex called to help him demonize
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Obama happens to be a guy who was literally threatening to use his children as human shields just a few years later
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And at the time of this interview this recording he was actively traumatizing students at his bullshit school
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So Alex can go fuck himself. Jesus fucking Christ. It's a massive level of inappropriate that Alex
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But this guy doesn't like Obama and he's black so that helps Alex's argument. Got him
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Yeah, so that's all Alex is super interested in right now
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The pageant is to demonize Obama who can help me with that right? Boom pastor Manning
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So we we just listened to me tell a lot of really bad things about Reverend Manning, which I mean, it's terrible
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But it makes this clip everybody knows what I'm saying
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It makes this clip a little bit worse, but I know it's the prayers that are sustaining me from the bottom of my heart
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I feel that connection with you pastor. Thank you, sir. God bless you, sir
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So Alex feels a connection with him. You shouldn't feel a connection with this guy. He's a monster. He's a fucking monster
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He's is a monster. Um, so Alex says that
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He has Manning as a guest and then a little bit later. He has another guest on the show
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Who you've never heard of?
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Representative Steve Toth joins us and he's made national news
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Coming up with a legislative plan
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To battle back against this and for the state of Texas to not recognize unconstitutional federal laws cool
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Earlier Alex on the show had said that these people like the Steve totes who are doing this stuff that you know
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They you know, he's a state rep in Texas
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Yeah, and he's like the more you look into you know, the people who are really fighting
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It's like these are like dyed-in-the-wool Texans. These are people who've lived in Texas
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He was born in New York and grew up in upstate Rochester. It's crazy. So I hate everybody. I hate everybody
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So a few the worst a few things about Steve Toth that I want to tell you about. He's a dick
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Yeah, of course. Well, that's number one
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Yeah number two
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He won his seat in the State House of Representatives in Texas in an election with no Democrat running
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He only was up against a candidate from the Libertarian Party and naturally won easily that was in the 2012 race in 2014
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He decided to give up his seat in district 15 and seek election to the state Senate in the 16th district
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But lost ultimately showing that the support he was receiving most of which came from the Tea Party
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Wasn't enough to get him back into a possibly more important office
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elevated office
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He then ran for the US House of Representatives seat in
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2016 and lost in the primary in
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2018 Toth put his tail between his legs and ran once again for the very seat
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He'd given up back in 2014 the Texas House District 15 seat
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He won the seat and ended up right where he left off
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Which is kind of hilarious considering how high the rate of reelection is for State House of Representatives and how they don't have term limits
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He literally just wasted everyone's time and money because of misguided ambition only to end up in a position
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He could have held the whole time and actually been doing government work instead of fundraising and campaigning
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I really don't think he's that interested in government work. I don't know if he is
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I'm starting to think that he is not interested in like the nuts and bolts of writing good legislation might not be
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So also he's only in office now because the significant donations in support of multiple far-right
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Political action committees in Texas who hated their former speaker Joe Strauss because he was too close to the center
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Of course hardline anti-immigrant anti-choice and anti-islam groups paid a lot of money to make sure the conservatives who won seats in that
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Election were not the types who like Joe Strauss would be against Trump's Muslim ban or the bills flying around that dictate who can use
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What bathrooms these political action committees wanted warriors and Steve Tofe was willing to be that to get back in office in 2018
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Great job guys one of these groups is the Texas right to life which gave to
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$17,500 for his campaign in
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That same election cycle Texas right to life received a ton of criticism for turning on anti-choice candidates
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They'd supported for a long time in favor of new options who were crazy far-right
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Quote Texas right to life has support
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Texas right to life has kind of lost their way. It's unfortunate. They are not doing what they started out to do
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That's a quote from Paul Workman former representative of Texas's 47th district
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Workman literally championed legislation that would require women to get a sonogram before receiving an abortion in hopes that
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Making her experience that would change her mind
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He supported every anti-choice bill ever introduced including one that would increase the licensing
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Requirements for abortion providers the goal of which was pretty explicitly to force tons of clinics to close
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Yeah, the political action committee that donated
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$17,500 to Steve Toth thought Workman was too middle-of-the-road on abortion
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Yeah, well, I mean if you take a look at the law, Alabama just passed I I can I guess anything
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But aside from the death penalty or a doctor performing an abortion, right?
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It's too close to the center
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But I'm trying to give you a sense of what kind of politics these people who are funding him were looking for
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Yeah, I assume that they're helping the Alabama case as well. I would well know because it's Texas
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Some yeah interstate agreements or whatever in 2014
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The Texas Freedom Network wrote a piece about how Steve Toth was too extreme even for Texas Republicans
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They discussed how he led a completely fabricated crusade against the Texas School District's curriculum management tools
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Complaining that their lessons were quote anti-american and anti-christian and promoted Marxism in Islam
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Also, the article includes this quote Toth also tells a ridiculous story to promote his opposition to sex education that includes information about birth control
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During the 2013 legislative session Toth said his wife knew two unmarried teens who got so hot and bothered at a Planned Parenthood
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sex education class which included information on contraception that the guy couldn't get a condom on before he impregnated his girl and the
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girlfriend in the car later
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He used this bullshit argument than things like that to justify
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legislative budget cuts that quote gutted the Texas women's health program and led to quote tens of thousands of low-income women losing access to
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Family planning services shouldn't that mean that he that they should have stayed in the sex education class not gone to the car
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Yeah, I don't know. No, I don't think I don't think it's there
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I think they just didn't finish the part of the class where they teach you how to put the condom on
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I don't think anyone is getting real horny during Planned Parenthood
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remember my sex education talk and
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Boner City, I actually had a super hard right sex education teacher who told me that
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having sex without a condom was like putting your hand into a vat of
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a nuclear waste and having sex with a condom was putting a
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Glove on your hand when you put it into a fucking thing of toxic waste. So vaginas are nuclear waste
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I think that's what she was telling me. Great. Yeah. Anyway, Boner City. Yeah, exactly
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So Steve Toth was too extreme for the Texas Republican Party in 2014, but not anymore. No, no, no now
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We're good. That should be an indication of things. Yeah, it's gone. Great. Yeah, we're not gonna listen to anything
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I think I like to play a new game called
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the GOP or Isis and just pick quotes
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We're not gonna listen to anything Steve Toth has to say on the show the interview is super boring
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It's really just a case of Alex Jones bringing in a lunatic state
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Politician to his show to do a dog-and-pony show them agreeing with his ideas to lend some kind of governmental
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Credibility to yeah the things he's putting out
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Yeah
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It's mostly just Alex yelling about how they should arm teachers and Steve agreeing and Alex talking about how it's time to impeach Obama and Steve
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Pretending he could do anything about that in the Texas House of Representatives
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Steve Toth is saying that he's all good. No, no, no
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No
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He's not saying he's going to but okay
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It's just sort of like Alex has a government representative on right and because you know impeachment starts in the house
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There's an easy there
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Federal and state government in a very different house. Yeah. Gotcha. So the interview is kind of pointless, but then
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Something huge happens. I don't just get up here
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Most websites have an IT problem and they say we got hacked we got you know
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This or that years ago. Somebody hacked our website and posted an image of a naked woman on a motorcycle on the front page
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Plenty of denial of service attacks coming out of China
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Coming out of Japan but out of US military bases
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They use them to basically zombie the computers to the attackers. We've had all sorts of attacks that go on
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I don't talk about it
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But I've had senior cyber security people who've been in government and out of government say I don't know how you keep your side up
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And there's been a lot of hackers out there. They've also given us tips and helped us and we're eternally thankful for that
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We've got some great IT people
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But in the last two weeks, we've had two different dirty tricks done that are very sophisticated
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I'm not going to get into what they did or what they exploited but it's government level type stuff
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you clicked on a fucking email you idiot and
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Very sophisticated you got fish. And so we've got to basically watch the site 24 hours a day now
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I'm having to hire more IT people just to watch 24 hours a day
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I'm hiring an outside consulting firm to be able to deal with this
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And then they went ahead to hit us with an old-fashioned denial of service attack. It's it's undoubtedly
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we are getting a lot of traffic today and
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And traffic's much higher than it's ever been but we were thinking early on this is an all-time record traffic
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Which it pretty much would be or almost a record, but we can see and they've got graphs in there
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Like I wanted to get shots all that's a new report
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This is newsworthy showing that it's it's it's it's denial of service from a whole bunch of zombie computers government computers
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Hijacked university computers you name it? Why the minute Obama started speaking today? Oh god
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No about five minutes when Joe Biden was up. There is one that started
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Yeah, the site is up right now for now and it appears they're very upset about the move to impeach Obama
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So this is where Alex really takes
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Narcissistic swing for the fences. This is bullshit crazy. This is bullshit. This isn't happening
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He'd been complaining other days about the website being down and he very specifically was talking about because they're trying to upgrade
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The site yeah, so whatever tech issues
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They've been having have been lingering because they're trying to update a new version like info wars 2.0
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Right a web 2.0 presence. Oh my god. So instead of
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He's saying that they don't have that great of an IT staff sucks. Yeah
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He's saying that he's getting hacked by right man. The IT staff has the best gig
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Yeah, anytime you're fucking up just be like, oh we're hacked. Yeah, and he'd buy it
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It's denial of service attack. Oh, man, that is good stuff. It's the government. Yeah. Yeah
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Yeah
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Imagine being able to just lie to your boss like that and know he would believe it and it helps Alex to because it helps
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him create the idea that
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Obama's afraid of Alex putting out articles of impeachment and the idea that as soon as he got on stage for that press conference
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He got up there a tax game because they couldn't handle the idea of Alex being able to respond
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To his what Obama was saying so fucking it's crazy, but we've seen him do this exact same thing in the past
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Oh, yeah, we've seen him use
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Imagined denial of service attacks and and hackings and stuff like that just to fit his narratives
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Yeah, and that's what he's doing here a hundred percent. What an asshole. Yeah, it's pretty crazy
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So Alex loves to talk movies. Yeah, I think I think it would be fair to say that
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He generally misses the point. Um, I mean, well, let's see. How did he do with Watchmen?
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Ozzy mandamus
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Didn't do that one so well
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It tends to be oftentimes in stories of heroes and villains. Yeah, he has he has difficulty discerning
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Um, which is which right? He's not good with comic book movies either comic books are bad
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But it turns out comedies are also bad for them. Okay, so I have to sit here
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You know, that's why I'm getting so angry is this is like Groundhog Day. Yes. I'm gonna write a movie a Groundhog Day
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And with Bill Murray, oh god no and
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And you know, he just is I mean, it's the same day over and over again
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No matter what he does. He has to relive this day over and over again
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So Alex is expressing he feels like he's in Groundhog Day because he just keeps seeing the globalists metal and everyone
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Yeah, here's what I would say. The point of that movie is that Bill Murray is an asshole
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Yes, and the only thing that gets him out of the time loop is not being an asshole
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yeah, it's him realizing that the way he's been living his life has been completely wrong and
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that doing things for others is actually a much better way to live and then he gets to go to the next day finally once
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he grows through the despair and the the futility of killing himself and all this if
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Alex really feels like he's living Groundhog Day. I would advise him to consider the message of that movie
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Maybe you're an asshole. Here's the problem
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so
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What's his
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Shit, what's his name? Bill Murray? No, no, no the Andy McDowell. No the guy who directed it Oh Ramus. Yeah
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Yeah, so he said in an interview that
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Bill Murray's character was actually trapped in that time loop for like millions of years. Yeah
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Yeah, so it doesn't give me much hope for Alex getting to the other side. No anytime soon, but it would be immediate for us
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Yes, it'd be a long time for him, but it would just be any other day
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We just got to get him into that situation, yeah, where was that movie filmed let's go on let's go on
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Alex on a road trip think it's fascinating that like along with his inability to differentiate truth and fiction
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He also has no idea how to engage with the message of fiction. Yeah. Yeah, it's so nuts
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Yeah, like anybody who watched Groundhog Day would get on some level the it's the only way to
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Tale about being a dick. Yeah, he's an asshole at the beginning and then he leaves the time loop when he's not an asshole
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There's only one lesson in the movie. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, Steven Tobolowsky's best work great
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Love it. So in this next clip Alex goes to calls and
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I'm like down for this because I think we might have found a real bad dude. Okay?
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All right, I'm gonna stop Andy in Africa. I didn't know somebody was calling from Africa. Were you calling us from Africa?
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I'm going from Africa Alex
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Welcome you're on the air. Were you calling from in Africa?
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The good part the southern part South Africa, that's it. That's right Alex the good part
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That's a bad that's a bad start. Oh god, that's an Afrikaner, isn't it? It's a bad start people. Oh god
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I don't want to oh god
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So that dude
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You could tell is probably what you might describe as a racist South Africa
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No, but what's interesting is his call isn't about that
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That's the extent of his just flippant racism
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Yeah in this next clip he gets to what he actually wants to talk about and man. I'm glad this came up
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You mentioned your web servers have been going down. Well, you're not the only one so to speak
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I am a web developer and researcher and I'm here to tell you that the Illuminati is back online
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Breaking news now, what do I mean by that? Good? Remember the Illuminati card game, right? Yes
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Okay, interesting thing is this card game started out as an online game
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Okay running on what we would call an Illuminati server, I guess which was a DBS system
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So the game started on a server and then Steve Jackson's games was rated by the Secret Service and they confiscated the server and the
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Data that was on that server. The game was never supposed to get out according to Steven Dolan's said to be an ex-satanist
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High priest who exposed the game in the proper way the maker of the Illuminati card game
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And the video game developer. He has his offices about two miles from us. We've called him
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No exaggeration probably 40 times. I keep saying we get time. We're gonna go over there. Don't do that
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You look very confused. How are people this stupid this successful?
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You mean the South African guy? I don't know how the South African guys. Yeah, we don't know if he's successful
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No, we don't but god, this is dumb. This is you don't even know anything about this
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I don't and I don't need to so the Illuminati card game is one of the most perfect
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Conspiracy things in the world. I'm so glad that this dumb racist South African caller decided to bring it up
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And that Alex is indicating that he's into it and thinks it's real
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Well, I mean the card game itself is real
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But I'm it's so amazing that Alex thinks it could be an Illuminati plot
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To reveal their plans and use lesser magic on the public. See that's what I thought. They were it is. Okay, that's the theory
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Yeah, how are people this dumb? It's amazing. Yeah, so the short version of how this goes is it goes like this
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Illuminati is a card game those created by Steve Jackson games in 1982
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The goal of the game is to take on the role of a secret society which goes on to take over the world
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It was a very successful game in the circles that played massively complicated card games in the early 80s
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And it spawned expansion packs that have been released over the years the most recent coming out in 2010
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The concept of the game started out with Steve Jackson considering creating an adaptation of Robert Anton Wilson's illuminatus trilogy
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But deciding that that would be too convoluted and way too confusing. And so I'm not even gonna give that shot
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So instead he just made a mostly convoluted and confusing game. It's apparently not as confusing as it seems. Yeah
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Yeah, the game itself. I've never played it, but I would love it. How many people it's really hard to find though
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It's yeah what the main one I think is out of print, but you can find them
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I'd like to I'd give it a shot. Yeah, I would do so what Steven Jackson realized he could do
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While he couldn't adapt the illuminatus trilogy
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He could take the basic ideas of the trilogy like the notion of grand conspiracies being behind everything and use that as the central
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Concept of his game that proved to be a viable jump-off point and after Jackson did a ton of research into
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Conspiracy theory worlds to gather some specific details to add texture to the game
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He created it and released it to quite a bit of a claim the nerds loved it
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But someone who didn't have such high praise for the game was Robert Anton Wilson
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Who felt like his work was being ripped off and it was changed just enough so he couldn't sue them
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Yeah, he was very mad about it. Yeah, I
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So it's important to remember that the illuminatus trilogy is a work of satire
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It's meant to kind of make fun of and mock the patterns of reasoning used in conspiracy theory and Jackson's card game is an extension
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Of that the cards are over-the-top by design
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naturally because it's parody that means when you
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As is always the case when you make a satire about conspiracy theories. It's a conspiracy comes a conspiracy theory
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Well, see there are a couple cards in the 1994 expansion pack that's called New World Order
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They're pretty wild in hindsight
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One of them is the terrorist nuke card and the visual on that card is a nuke being shot into one of the Twin Towers
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So while the imagery is pretty similar to what you'd see
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With 9-eleven the game was made right after the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993
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So it might does make it might not be as crazy as it seems just on first glance, right?
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Conspiracy theorists use that card and a couple others to make the argument that Steve Jackson knew it was coming and that this game is proof
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Revealing in advance lesser magic tricks. Yeah, you know people often do that
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Like oh this movie or this book predicted the World Trade Center the World Trade Center being bombed
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But so also did the World Trade Center being bombed the first time
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Predicts that it would be bombed again, right, you know
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Right, like if nobody predicted the World Trade Center bombing better than the first World Trade Center
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Right, and this is one of the things that people play fast and loose with is like the original deck came out in 1982
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But the one that included the terrorist nuke card came out in 94
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So when conspiracy theorists talk about these cards, they usually talk about it having it came out in 82 and predicted 9-eleven
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Yeah, when that card came out after the first World Trade Center bombing, so it's fresh in people's minds
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It's all these cheap games
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They play also these conspiracy theorists are less prone to use the following cards to make their arguments about predictive programming
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atomic monster, which is
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Which is Godzilla?
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Just a way to not get sued but have Godzilla. Yeah Bigfoot Count Dracula Dan Quayle holding out a potato
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Yeah, yeah, that one probably would do the job flying saucers literal gremlins the hammer of Thor
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Which gremlins literal ones? Well, I mean are we talking Mogwai gremlins?
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Are you talking Tolkien gremlins Mogwai? Okay Hitler's brain in a jar the Loch Ness monster
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Okay, Necronomicon love it plague of demons
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This is like Sim City when you can do all the disasters robot sea monsters and plenty of others, right?
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Two of the groups you can choose to play as your secret society your Illuminati
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You can choose to play as are the servants of Cthulhu and the lost civilization of Shangri-La
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Well now I know who you're playing probably Cthulhu
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The game is a parody of conspiracy and to some extent even take shots at itself
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one of the cards in the deck is
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Trading card games then features a suspicious man opening his trench coat to reveal cards inside that he's clandestinely selling
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Of course, I've never played it
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But all the reviews I've read make it seem like a really fun game that uses interesting strategy elements
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And it's won at least four origins awards
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The first of which was being the best science fiction board game award in 1982
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So it's not like this is some kind of a secret thing that accidentally got out like that guy is
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Trying to suggest the race at South African Collar that idea is fucking absurd. All right, I want this game so bad now
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I would love to track it down
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Also Alex should know better than to say that this card game is in any way a real Illuminati game
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You see there's a card in the deck the agent in place card
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Which is the game's version of an infiltrator or spy for your Illuminati group the picture on that card bears a striking
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Resemblance to Alex Jones really which is something that the conspiracy world has not not noticed
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When did that one in 94 that was that that was the 94 deck
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So it's hard for me to think that this is anything more than a coincidence
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It could be a winking joke on Steve Jackson's part because the card like I said came out in
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1994 and at that point Alex was on Austin local excess and Jackson does operate out of Austin
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So it's possible that he would have been aware of Alex and it would be a winking joke
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Yeah, but my problem is that the card looks a lot like later day Alex and not a lot like 94
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Ah, so the dude isn't pretty ripped. No, he looks like his chubby
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Present self gotcha more than the past. So I don't know
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I think it's probably just a coincidence that conspiracy people have built a new wrinkle on to this game
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A lot of shots for it. That'd be fun if he didn't take any there was no like
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Conspiracy theory that he predicted 9-eleven only he did predict that Alex was going to be fat with a huge net
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He nailed that prediction and he's talking into a mustard
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Contain a mustard bottle as a phone
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As for Steve Jackson games getting raided that had nothing to do with this Illuminati card game
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Like I mentioned earlier that game won the best sci-fi board game award in 1982 and the raid didn't happen until March 1st
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1990 the decks involving all the cards the conspiracy theorists point to were still four years away from being made when the raid went down
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Itself the issue was that Steve Jackson games hosted a bulletin board for users to interact on called Illuminati
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one of the operators of that board was a hacker named Lloyd Blankenship and the Secret Service had tracked down a stolen document with
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Proprietary information about Bell South's 9-1-1 system to that bulletin board and another one run by Blankenship
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the court documents reflect the agents based a search warrant on the fact that
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Quote there had been an unlawful intrusion on the Bell South computer system
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the 9-1-1
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Bell South document was a sensitive and proprietary document and that computer hackers were attempting to utilize a decryption procedure whereby unlawful
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Intrusions could be made to computer programs including the Defense Department and these hackers were soliciting
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Passwords so that the decryption procedure could become operational. Oh boy
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There's a little bit of a misunderstanding that happened in the investigation. However
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Blankenship ran this message board for Steve Jackson games
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And also ran a hacker board called Phoenix, which was way more the sort of thing that the Secret Service would be investigating
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Yeah, however when agent Foley arrived at the Illuminati message board for Steve Jackson games
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He saw this greeting and got the wrong idea about it quote greetings mortal
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Okay, all right, of course
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This is the this is fucking dragnet FBI agent reading this just like these people have got to go
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You've entered the secret computer system of the Illuminati the online home of the world's oldest and largest secret conspiracy
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fronted by Steve Jackson games incorporated
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Because he didn't understand the humor of the site Foley thought that there's an indication that this message board run for game
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Enthusiasts was wrapped up in the 9-1-1 document and malicious hacking with the game company being a fake front business. Oh
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Oh
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My god, there's such such a parse. It's such a pre online
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Agent who's just like I don't understand these kids with their computers
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The fact that Blankenship was an employee of Steve Jackson games didn't help and with that the game company got included in the raid and their
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Computers and materials were seized from there. Everything went to shit
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The investigators had created a mess because they'd failed to do their homework
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They quote knew or had the ability to learn that the seizure of the Illuminati bulletin board included private and public
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Electronic communications and email the seizure of which was not within the scope of their warrant and was a breach of the Privacy Protection Act
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By the next day after the raid Steve Jackson had requested his stuff back
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Which experts estimated should have been able to have been copied if needed and returned to him in hours and no more than within eight
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Days, he would not get his things back until late June
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1990 approximately three and a half months later, which was a huge problem for him running his business because they'd
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Confiscated all this shit. What the fuck? Yeah bunch of assholes Steve Jackson ended up suing the Secret Service
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Yeah, of course. He got $50,000 in statutory damages and
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$250,000 in lawyers fees the judge did find that the raid had ultimately not caused financial hardship
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However, so he wasn't awarded those damages. The reasoning was that the company had been in bad financial shape at the time
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And the raid had actually raised their profile considerably
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Plus Steve had created a game based on the raid that was selling quite well
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So they just decided it was a wash the idea that they didn't actually knock out profits. Yeah. Yeah. He was able to recoup ever
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I don't know. I'm not super thrilled with that. I still think they should have yeah
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I would have gone with punitive damages, but that's 50,000 statutory damages is some not enough. Yeah, that's not enough
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It's debatable weirdly Lloyd Blankenship was not found guilty of anything and no one was charged with a crime
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So it might have all been for nothing. So it was a giant waste of time maybe but I also kind of suspect that that
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Non-charging might have had something to do with how bungled this raid was
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Yeah, the objective was this stolen 9-1-1 document
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But even if they were able to establish that Blankenship had stolen it, which I'm not sure they ever did establish
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Taking this to trial would be a fucking nightmare. Yeah, so I bet there's like wash their hands of this
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Yeah, that's that would be smart on their part
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Yeah, anyway, that's why Steve Jackson games got raided and how the raid may have inadvertently saved his business
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Yeah
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It has nothing to do with the Illuminati card game or the government trying to stop him from getting their secrets out in
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reality the court documents make it clear that agent Foley quote
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conducted no investigation about Steve Jackson games incorporated
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although a reasonable investigation of only several hours would have revealed that Steve Jackson games was in fact a legitimate publisher of information to the
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Public and mr. Jackson would have cooperated in the investigation. They fucked this up top to bottom. They do nothing
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Yeah, like the court filing makes it very clear that they didn't even know they made games let alone this Illuminati game
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Really? Yeah Wow also just your your honor in my clients defense
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They're really bad at their jobs
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case
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The defense rests also just to be totally clear about this the caller has his timeline completely messed up at the time of the raid
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Steve Jackson games was working on and about to release a role-playing game called
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Grups cyberpunk or Grups is an acronym for generic universal role-playing system
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It was a way that you could you you could play RPGs on bulletin boards with this guidebook. Yeah cyberpunk
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I remember there was a there was a back when I was super into
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Dragon Ball Z
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There was this message board that I went to on an angel fire site and there was this whole like
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Complicated role-playing the early internet was lousy with that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
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The Grups the generic universal role-playing system was a response to the idea that a lot of these games are really fun
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But they only could be played in certain environments right like D&D could only be played as this fantasy quest
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Yeah thing or you know, the other ones were sci-fi in nature
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Whereas the generic universal role-playing system developed by Steve Jackson games could be used for all sorts of different types of role-playing adventures
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Right. So like this one if you wanted to have a role-playing adventure, that was just straight-up office culture
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You're just you're like you're rolling six to see if you make small talk that time
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Why not? That would be fine. You could do that. Yeah, so this is a cyberpunk
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Iteration of this that was being worked on when they got raided and it interfered with the release of it
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That's the game that the caller is confusing with the Illuminati card game
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The card game came out eight years earlier, but ultimately it sounds better if that's what Steve was working on when he was raided
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Yeah, for sure. The conspiracy isn't that juicy when it's just a guidebook for a cyberpunk role-playing game
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Yeah, that probably doesn't sound good. No, so this is all bullshit, but I find this is so interesting
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like whenever there's these sorts of
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Kernels of I guess you'd call it conspiracy lore
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Yeah, there's almost always a better story behind it that these conspiracy theorists are completely missing to in order to make their fake story
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Yeah, cuz that's a great fucking story. Also, that's right up your alley. That's government malfeasance. Totally. That's shitty
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Police work. That's that's a private citizen having a shit taken away and stolen from him. It's a comical level of ineptitude
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Yeah from these agents. Yeah, it's like burn after reading or some shit like that. It would yeah
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I don't know if it has enough material for a movie, but the scene is is out of a movie. Yeah cops just completely
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Just screwing it up
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But that doesn't stop Alex from saying this
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Yeah, his card game predicts everything and I don't know how they did it. It's bizarre
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Atomic monster probably let's go with atomic monster. I'm gonna go with they were talking to an atomic monster
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There's basically just like this card that shows the one of the Twin Towers getting hit. Yeah, that's it
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That's all the that's all you need. He's proved or he's predicted everything. That's all these people need it's
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What is it the border for entry into conspiracy?
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Is as low as a deck of cards solo? Yeah
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Um, so now Alex takes a call on air from someone that he thinks is the the BBC the British Broadcasting Company
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Turns out it is a media outlet, but it's not the BBC. The BBC has called my phone. No exaggeration
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30 40 times today. I'm gonna take this right now
Unknown Speaker (01:34:43.800)
Hello, is this the BBC?
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ITV what it was that's out of Canada, right?
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Ma'am ma'am, I lost my phone and and I never put the voicemail back on it. Just do me a favor
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I'm gonna be off the air in about 15 minutes or so. Why don't you text this?
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Yeah, it will just exactly just text this number your name and number and all I or somebody I'll get back with you. Okay?
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Thank you
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This rings non-stop
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Every TV station you can imagine I'm not even I should be doing a ring or I'm just too burnt out man
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So this is also part of that narcissistic aggrandizement
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You know like this idea of like these people are just hounding me non-stop to have me on their shows
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It goes along with the you know, the government's targeting me as soon as I put out this Obama impeachment thing
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It's kind of a way of focusing that same energy of the navel-gazing
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I was on Piers Morgan stuff right and using it to facilitate the anti-obama narrative or the Obama impeachment
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Narrative that is the current theme of the show and he definitely didn't have to take that call on air didn't
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But it sure does make him look good when he takes that call. Oh, it's so intense
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I have to take this call and then literally in the call. He's like I'm gonna be off air in about 15 minutes
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I could have just called you back 15 minutes from now or during any commercial break. Yeah, there's no reason to do this
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There's no reason to do this except to demonstrate to your audience. I'm in demand
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And it's from the BBC. Oh, this person isn't the BBC, but they still are calling me. Don't trust me
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Don't worry about all kinds of TV networks so far. Just the ITV network, right? So
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Remember how I told you that Steve Toth?
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Did some really damaging things to women's health in Texas. Yeah
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Because of his bullshit story about people fucking yeah after a health class really shouldn't be that low
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Bar to get people's lives ruined. Well, but that's a story he used like as this fake anecdote to be like, you know
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Sex education is really just gets people horny and then they fuck. Yeah. Yeah
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I think that that's a stupid thing for him to think yes
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And it blew my mind that Alex
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Later in the same episode says this
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It's like sex ed. I remember sitting there and like seventh grader and she's like, oh my god
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I remember sitting there and like seventh grader and sex ed
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They're sitting there talking about sex and i'm looking over at the cheerleader next to me. You know, she's looking over at me
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I think the point is it makes her body go have sex folks. That's insane. What that's nuts
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Looking at the
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Like the bisected
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human woman's
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Fucking reproductive gets it going is that's what's going on there. It's you going jesus christ
Unknown Speaker (01:37:35.439)
I can't I mean I I remember in in health class. I think this is fairly universal. It's uncomfortable
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Yeah, it's the teachers are uncomfortable. Nobody likes it
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Nobody wants people are writing questions on a piece of paper and then handing it to or like putting it in a bucket
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So nobody knows who is asking this question about sex. Yeah, it's uh, it's not a horny making experience
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That's fucked up, but it was for alex if whatever alex is looking at in uh in that class is deeply uncomfortable
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Uncomforting the completely bizarre
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interpretation of sex education
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Existing with these two people on the same show
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And it doesn't it's not like that came up in their interview where like steve toath was expressing this and then alex is mirroring it
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They just they just both they just both believe it. Yeah, that's crazy. Very weird. You know, we grew up in the midwest though
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No
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Or no where alex is in texas. Yeah, exactly. He's in texas toath is in
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Rochester rochester new york
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Maybe it's different there must be maybe it's different there. Maybe the midwest is the only place with the
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Discomfort about sex education flyover country is uncomfortable sex education country
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That means that almost every coming of age movie must be set in the midwest
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Yeah, I think a lot of them are yeah some so uh, this is the only clip where uh
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Sandy hook really comes up in this episode, uh, alex very clearly expresses that he thinks adam. Lanza is a patsy
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um
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But then where he goes from there is really weird and uh and mike down for this because the path of thought must be traced
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Uh adam. Lanza, uh, the uh, patsy or whoever he is the the the whacked out of his mind
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The cover of the hollywood movie about mind control shame. Look at all these guys eyes on psychotropics under psychiatric care
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They fought like a devil to keep that from coming out but his family's on record now
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He tried to buy a gun five times and couldn't get one
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I mean, obviously going to gun shop plus his mental illness was in the health record. It got filed
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And he looked like he was whacked out of his brain. I've been at gun shows with private dealers
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You know somebody sell off their collection. They don't sell to people that look like they're illegal aliens
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They don't sell to people that don't they'll talk to you before they sell you a gun and so what if you're a felon?
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Most felons were innocent
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That's a weird train of thought what yeah
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First of all, what there's a lot. Oh, there's a lot in a couple seconds there
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First of all, alex has been to a lot of gun shows where they don't sell to you if you look like an illegal immigrant
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That is is does adam. Lanza look like an illegal immigrant. Is that what he seems apropos of nothing. That is crazy
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Yeah, I I I don't know what he's expressing other than they only sell to white people
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Yeah, I think that's exactly what he's expressing nothing to do with the rest of the conversation really doesn't very
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Weird very and then so what if you're a felon most felons are innocent. You want to talk about criminal justice reform?
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uh, i'm i'm i'm here for that, but I don't uh
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Criminal justice reform starts with giving felons guns after they get out of prison
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Alex actually literally says that he starts talking. Oh, really he starts talking about how like back in the day
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Uh, if you got you know sent to prison while you were holding a shotgun when you were in prison
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Sent to prison while you were holding a shotgun when you got out of prison
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They'd be like, here's your shotgun back. That seems like a bad policy though. I think he got that from watching like f troop
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Yeah
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That's got to be lore
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I think that's from like old western tv shows like bonanza. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
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Maybe yeah
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That's like that's like a story of somebody sleeping one off and then they still get their shotgun back
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Uh from the fucking local sheriff. Yeah, not if you use the shotgun to get into prison in the first place. I don't know
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Maybe that is the case in like, uh in texas. Sure
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I don't know
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um
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I don't I don't like
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What he's probably saying with the most felons are innocent thing because I don't think I don't trust his he doesn't elaborate on it
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Unsurprising. I don't trust him, but I do think I mean like people who are in for like felony drug possessions and stuff like that
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Yeah, they shouldn't be stripped of their rights. Hell no, that's sort of yeah
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So I mean you shouldn't be stripped of your rights, even if you're a felon, right?
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there's there's a lot of room for conversation there, but uh
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Alex saying that they don't sell to people who look like illegal immigrants. That's
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Bonkers, it's unacceptable and very weird that he doesn't elaborate and he said people who look like illegal immigrants
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He had no no qualms
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About saying look like uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah strange. Well earlier when he was going over, uh,
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Uh, uh, uh, sorry, uh obama's speech, you know, he's talking about this urban
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Uh crime and you know that so there's a little code there. Yeah, you're seeing a little bit of code here
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I think I think whenever he talks about his gun issues
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It does seem that there's a weird little bit of coded language that keeps coming up. Huh? Yeah, it is strange
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It's almost like the guns are there to protect him from
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Boy, I can't I can't I don't know how to finish that sound. Yeah, I don't know
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That's an interesting thought and I think you're responsible for thinking it
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Yeah, so in this next clip alex has a plan to scout stop school shootings
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Um, and of course, we know it's armed burn schools down. Why not? Yeah, it's armed teachers
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He has a very specific. Uh
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Idea of who to arm
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I mean, i'll tell you who you are you arm the football coaches. I mean, this is a no no brainer
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No, you are honorable people obviously a weird science teacher
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You know, everybody knows is a perv or whatever
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Uh, and uh, you know as a you get a psychological evaluation
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I mean i'm all for that just because you know
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You might end up getting crazy someday as a teacher that kills people plus the kids are so out of control
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Who knows what when you're getting assaulted my point is to do psychological profiling?
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Ha and and arm the teachers you just explain all the reasons not to our teachers just explain
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Just explain why it's a terrible idea
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What can you imagine the nightmare scenario of a teacher shooting up a school? Oh my god
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Oh my god. Yeah, or you know something getting out of hand and teacher accidentally shooting
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Or just a teacher brandishing a gun terrible just the idea of you like also you're oh
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These two kids are talking and then a guns on the table
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Fuck you. Yeah
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Also the idea of arming the football coaches. I need
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Not discuss that other than to say dave dobbin meyer
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Yeah
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Sandusky
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Oh god
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By my high school football coaches, you know, not every football coach is a lunatic
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But uh, some of them are it sure seems like they attract a lot of lunatics
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I would say that maybe it's equivalent to the science teachers who are weirdos. Yeah, maybe it's the same rate
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Yeah, maybe worse. I don't know. Have you ever read anything about nick saben? He's a fucking lunatic. Um, speaking to lunatics
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Uh, you've noticed this narcissistic trend, uh that does seem manufactured in alex
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Um the idea that he's doing this fake, uh, the uh denial of service stuff
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Obama's really worried about our petition terrified
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Um in this next clip, he finally gets around to playing some of the clips of obama's speech
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And alex becomes convinced that obama is talking about him
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Okay, let's go to this bizarre 1647 clip pundits saying it's all about
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All out assault by tyrants on liberty. Let's go to obama responding to his critics. Here. It is. This will be difficult
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There will be pundits and politicians and special interest lobbyists publicly warning of a tyrannical all-out assault on liberty
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Not because that's true
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But because
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They want to gin up fear or higher ratings or revenue for themselves
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Oh, I wonder who you're talking about punk and behind the scenes. They'll do everything they can
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To block any common sense reform and make sure nothing changes whatsoever. Oh, yeah
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The only way we will be able to change is if their audience their constituents their members stop right there
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What that is a profound statement and he's thinking about alex jones
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He's thinking about matt drudge
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He's thinking about glenn beck
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He's thinking about
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Larry pratt wayne lapierre, I mean guaranteed because the white house has responded to me before
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And it's come out that homeland security's got files on matt drudge and alex jones and all the stuff and there's been lawsuits over
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But they won't release them by infra guard and that's board member of the nra bob bar former congressman bob bar
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I mean they're talking about us because look
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Bob bar king of the elephants
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Um, that is that is a lunatic level of grandiosity
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I mean, I think he probably is thinking about someone like wayne lapierre because he's then the head of the nra
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Yeah, you know it's like yeah, probably I don't know if larry pratt is necessarily on obama's radar
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He's probably on someone's radar, but maybe not the president's but he's talking about ratings. He's probably talking about rush limbaugh
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Probably talking about rush limbaugh. Yep, probably not talking about alex jones. No, maybe glenn beck maybe
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In terms of relevance at this point in 2013
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Uh, alex doesn't rank with those other people that he's uh, so this is that wouldn't come about for another four years just because
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obama is describing behavior that is similar to what alex does if not one to one exactly what alex is about to do
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In response to it, right? Yeah, just because that does not mean that he's thinking of uh, yeah, uh alex
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uh, I think I I think
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Obama has probably never cared about alex. Yeah, I would go there I would I would guess
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He's not see. Oh, man. How awesome would it be to get high with obama and watch dreams of my real father?
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That documentary alex put out
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About obama's dad being frank marshall davis that would be fair get high and watch the obama deception with yeah
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No, I can't do that again. That would be amazing. Yeah, I guess we've already burned ourselves
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Now, um, you would have to give me really high
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Um, so one of the things that I think is important to point out here other than alex of just being completely narcissistic
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Uh and making everything about himself intentionally because it it works for the theme of what he's trying to do, right?
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The other thing is he makes it very clear that he hasn't watched any of these clips. He doesn't know what is happening
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He's just riffing on whatever the staff plays him. Yeah, that oh, yeah, i'm gonna be honest with you again
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I didn't watch that full speech and I was only reading these quotes. That was a stunning quote
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So yeah, i'm sorry. I didn't mean to play that over you. But yeah, he's uh, yeah
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He's just saying I didn't I didn't watch it. I didn't watch this. That's stunning. You know what I find fascinating. Yeah is
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He does correct. He picks out people who are going to do what obama said
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What do you mean? I mean the other people that alex listed and him. Yeah, all of those people. Yes, which suggests
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He knows that's what he's doing
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Right, like he he can't possibly because and that's why he cut off the part of the clip
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Before he got to the part where obama said the only way we're going to make progress is if these people's followers and listeners and constituencies
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uh, understand the issue right, of course, but it's it's like
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If you weren't doing that stuff
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If the people you're listing weren't doing that stuff
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They wouldn't be the first names out of your mouth. Do you know what I mean?
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I think he could probably
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Rebut that by saying like the reason that I thought of those people is because they're the people who are demonized and the enemies
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of the globalists
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Or something, but even though glenn beck is generally a globalist shill according to I don't know. Yeah
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Yeah, it's um, yeah. I I know what you mean. I think I think
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I think it's actually correct
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Just not I just don't think it would be a nail in the coffin for alex
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Right easy for him to wiggle around that right. I see what you're saying. Um, now this next clip made me very excited. Um,
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Alex is getting really defensive about being on piers morgan and yelling at him
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Uh, and he tries to express that he wasn't having a debate with him because it wasn't a good faith kind of debate
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Yeah, he was yelling at it because he deserved it and it was sure I wasn't there to have a conversation that sort of thing
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Now as he starts thinking about it, he decides that he's got to come up with an example of a good faith
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conversation negotiation
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debate
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Ha ha ha
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Okay, all right, all right, let's listen to where let's see where this goes listen to where his mind goes
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They cannot stand
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The fact that I got up there and said you want to take our guns you want to enslave us?
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That was the number one story in the country for two days. They were talking about alex jones first and foremost
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First that's why we need your prayers because they go. Oh you're discredited. You're yelling at us
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You're calling us criminals. That's not a real debate. You're not a real person having a real debate
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You're not like my neighbor coming over and going
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Hey, we ought to we we don't have enough land to have an agriculture exemption
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But if we combine together and get an agriculture exemption we can get off on our taxes
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Uh, you know if we put honeybees on it or maybe a cow or two
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Uh, how's that sound you want you want to do that man? That's a really good idea
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Yeah, that'll lower our taxes massively, you know, i've been so busy. I really haven't had time to go
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You know talk to you. I'm glad you reached out to do that. Yeah, let's do that
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I waited so long the neighbor went ahead and just bought some more properties
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They could do it, but they're still nice enough. I'm gonna talk to them, but let me merge in with them
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But the point is that's a negotiation. That's a good faith, you know talking to my neighbor. Hey, how you doing there? Uh,
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Uh, Jesse or whoever the neighbor is, how are you doing today? Let's talk about
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As regular people nice calm voices. Hey, come on in have a cup of coffee
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First of all, his neighbor is definitely named. Jesse. Yeah, there's I think he was trying to think of a
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Different fake name for him and he's like fuck it. It's jesse. Yeah, it's jesse and i'm gonna give his name and address. Uh
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Does he think that's a debate?
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No, but I think it's weird. It's very specific. And even if he hadn't just said like I this is actually a conversation
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I've had like the the fact that it's so specific means like you absolutely you absolutely had so jordan
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The first thing I want to make note of here is that if alex is considering converting his land to agricultural use to skirt property
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Taxes, he's got to be talking about acres of land. He's working with because otherwise that wouldn't make any sense
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Secondly, he's absolutely talking about a conversation. He definitely had with his neighbor. Jesse about committing tax fraud
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Yeah, it does seem like they did that according to the texas comptroller's office
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There are certain criteria that must be met in order to qualify for an agricultural exemption one
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Quote the land must be currently devoted principally to agricultural use
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The fact that alex is saying fuck it will throw some bees in there tells me this criteria is not met
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Two agricultural land must be devoted to production at a level of intensity that is generally accepted in the local area
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That seems unlikely again based on the haphazard bee plan that alex is coming up. Maybe we'll get a cow or two. Yeah
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I I don't how much production is uh locally acceptable a little bit of honey tiny bit tiny bit
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Uh three, uh quote the land must have been devoted to agriculture or timber production for at least five of the past seven years
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Unless alex has been running a stealthy boutique honey business. He's been failing to plug for the last half decade
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It seems like he's over three on the criteria required for an agricultural tax exemption
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Alex seems like he's just talking shit here and it sounds like he can't get his shit together enough to actually get this plan
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In motion with his neighbor, but if he did that is definitely a tax crime
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Absent any evidence that he's actually followed through with this
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I'm, just going to leave this here as an example of alex being very very stupid
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But I do want to point out that when he has to come up with an example of a straight-up good faith
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Negotiation his mind goes to conspiring with his neighbor to defraud the irs
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That's that's yeah, yeah, yeah
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That's that's it. Also the negotiation is not a debate. No. No, it's and it's neither of those things. It's a conversation
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Yeah, and and it it I mean, it's probably uh, you know, yeah
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He just described like a little hey, you want to do this? Yeah, sure. That was it
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That's his idea of what a debate is. I guess yeah
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Um, it's probably trite to mention this but the only people who really get hurt by agricultural exemption fraud are I mean everyone
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Yeah, uh because tax dollars go away that need to be made up somewhere else and it could be passed down to
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All other consumers and then also other people who rely on
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agricultural
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uh tax
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Uh provisions so alex is really only hurting the people he pretends to support
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Yeah, uh with that sort of a move
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But again, I don't know if he actually followed through with it
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And I don't know how I would ever find that out short of leaving a blind item or like a like a anonymous tip
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With the texas comptroller and I don't think that that's worth our time
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Um, I don't know. How about we put out something on the craigslist
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Misconnections thing. I don't know. I I saw you you live next door. We were gonna you know, we were talking about committing tax fraud
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Yeah, you know
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Um, so from here on alex kind of just gets lost
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Uh in a hole thinking about how exciting it is that obama is talking about him
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But you notice the the president in his press conference. What did he say?
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He said they're gonna be people saying this is tyranny. They're gonna be people saying the government's evil
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And he does this little gangster satisfaction. He goes, he's not even a good liar now. He goes and they're lying. They're wrong
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I mean that is the most incredible thing. The president of the united states is directly responding to us
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There's no doubt really no doubt
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And i've entered this insane vortex really where i've got all these pundits on really?
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And they're saying yeah alex you're pretty much the most prominent voice now
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I didn't even want that
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That's not convincing really I didn't even want to be the most popular really alex really
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I didn't even want to be homecoming king. Oh boy
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Um, oh boy. Yeah, it's unbelievable that the president is talking about me. You hear the giddiness in his voice
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Oh, yeah, that was insane. That was insane and considering that he's
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kind of
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Entirely wrong
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Kind of yeah, uh, let's just get through this next clip because it's him making the argument that he's the main person that obama was thinking about
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I'm a macho guy and I don't like tyrants, but I gotta be honest. It is creepy
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To have the president responding to you. Let me tell you
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They're thinking about a group of people there but right in the middle is me
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So he is the main center of the group of people that the president is responding to and afraid of
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Partially undoubtedly. I mean if you believe all of these things together, it's because alex has entered
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Impeachment articles on his website, right? Right, right. The website gets attacked as soon as obama gets up for the press conference the press conference
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Wherein he specifically is talking to alex. Yeah, this is this also it's a reminder reminder
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obama had to address alex because alex's move on or
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Petition got over a hundred thousand signatures. Yeah, and he didn't and it was the press secretary
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It wasn't obama exactly and it was uh, like a formulaic formulaic. No, yeah
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We have taken it under consideration and uh, we would like to officially tell you to go fuck yourself. Yeah
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Yeah, uh, yeah
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Like this is one of those things that if this wasn't coming from someone who standed to gain a lot of money
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By creating the perception that the president was responding to him and and all this if that wasn't the context
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We were hearing this in I would see this as a mental break
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I would see this with a break as a break with reality for sure, but because it's all building blocks of something
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That's very profitable to alex to create this perception. It really kind of just feels like artificially constructed
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Um things that would be scary if they were sincere. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about
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I don't think that they're sincere, you know, it's it's it's it's listening to his voice during this he sounds giddy
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But I honestly because obama a president who hates him talked about him
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He no longer sounds giddy when trump a president who likes him talks about him
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Do you know what I mean kind of but I don't think that he's giddy thinking about obama talking about him
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I think he's giddy thinking about all the public and the public and the public and the public and the public
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About all the publicity and yeah money that he's realizing that obama had created the optics required to
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Allow him to make the argument that obama is talking about right he obama has accidentally
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Uh given alex all the ammo that he needs to do
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Years of shows. Yeah, quite frankly
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No, the best thing this is something that we we talked about a long time ago
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But the best thing for him would have been hillary clinton being in office
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Saying stuff like what obama just said right there or when hillary said that he had a dark heart. Yeah
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Something like that. It was like that. He was able to spin for a really long time forever. Yeah
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Yeah, uh, so I think the giddiness is more a reflection of that than it is him actually sincerely believing that obama is directly
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Talking to him through the tv. Yes, and that's a line that I think is kind of important because otherwise I do think that we could
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Be like looking at something that's kind of scary. Yeah, the the well, I mean
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I mean, we're looking at alex
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It's scary either way, but it's I mean scary on like a uh-oh. Yeah, uh-oh
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Kind of way as opposed to a scary what he's bringing into the world, right?
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Rhetoric, right, right, right
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Um, so earlier I scolded you when you were suggesting that it's possible that alex really
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Kind of just wants his guns to fight off a I don't know some certain thing
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Some some people who maybe look and some of that seems to uh be mirrored in a lot of the coded language that he uses
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When he's talking about guns, um, and I was just scolding you facetiously, uh, because he literally says that in this next
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Oh great. Okay. Great. I guess that's the answer is just go after the banks
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The foreign banks. I mean, I guess that's it
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He's just their agent and they've taken the country over by fraud and now they don't want us
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Armed to ever be able to get our country back because they're planning real tyranny
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They want those guns so bad because they're in a race before everything collapses
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Because if it all collapses, they'll use it to be able to take over and get control
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But if we have guns and fight off the roving hordes of welfare people burning things
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Well that won't play into their hands, will it?
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So they've got to get guns demonized so they can have cover to wage their homeland security war on gun owners and that's the plan
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That is pretty nuts. Wow
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Also, I love the beginning of that being like well, I guess we've got to take on the banks
Unknown Speaker (02:00:54.979)
Isn't that the premise of your career?
Unknown Speaker (02:00:58.340)
What why in 2013? Is that a new revelation you're having? It's about time
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Also, why are you creating this bizarre nonsense about impeaching the president if you keenly are aware that he's just a front man for the
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Fucking globalists. Well, you got what is impeaching him gonna do you gotta impeach him? No. Yeah, come on. Have a good time
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Bullshit if the world is gonna you know what maybe you lose right? Maybe you lose this conflict
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Maybe the foreign banks take your guns away, which is a totally thing. It's totally a thing that could happen right? Uh, you know what?
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If you're gonna go down you might as well go down with an impeached president, you know
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I guess um, so I I don't I don't like any of the language he was using
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No, i'm pretty sure he's a giant racist asshole. It does feel that way. Yeah. Yeah, i'm gonna go with yeah
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It really feels like he's hiding a lot of those feelings behind. Uh, what is uh,
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Unacceptable code now. I i'm not gonna now I could be generalizing with a broad brush
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But when somebody who is on the right says welfare people
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I think they are saying something different. Yeah. No, totally underneath it. No, totally
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I think they might be specifically talking about
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Um, oh boy, let's call it non-whites
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Um, so in this next clip, uh, alex gets a call from a guy and much like that
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Uh racist south african, uh, I think he's a bad dude
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I think regarding the second amendment we could clear up all the confusion of terms intent and reason if everybody would just go get a
Unknown Speaker (02:02:26.659)
Copy of unintended consequences and read it cover to cover. Yeah, it's an excellent book. It's an excellent book
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And I think later i'm gonna mail my copy to barry hussein
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Uh highlighted might get me killed, but might be worth it
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So
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You might be asking yourself why this caller thinks he might get killed for sending obama
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A copy of this book unintended consequences
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And the simple answer to that is because this caller is nuts
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But the longer answer is that of course he wouldn't be killed for that sort of a gesture
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But he knows that sending that book would be a bit of an implied death threat that he'd be making to obama
Unknown Speaker (02:03:01.140)
Okay, so what's unintended consequences unintended consequences is a 1996 book written by a guy named john ross
Unknown Speaker (02:03:07.939)
The book is 800 pages long and pretty hard to get a copy of it's super expensive to find online
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Since it's been out of print for years, so I wasn't able to read it just to discuss this caller's very strange comment
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But I did the next best thing and I read a whole bunch about the book online bunch of reviews a bunch of essays about it
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Unintended consequences is militia porn pure and simple all you really need to know about this book is that the consequences that are unintended
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Are that middle-aged white dudes are going to start another civil war or terrorist insurrection?
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If they get unhappy with the government's meddling that kind of was what I was thinking. Yeah, yeah
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It's sort of half book half threat and 100 percent alex jones jack material. Yeah
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The novel tells the story of henry bowman a normal everyday peaceful gun lover who runs afoul of some shady atf agents
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He does this by pulling a gun on an fbi informant at a gun show who pees his pants in fear and the public
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Humiliation drives him to get revenge on henry
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The atf somehow gets convinced to set henry up, but because henry's very smart
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He gets the jump on them when they're coming to case out his house
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So when they show up, uh, he ambushes them and from what i've read the book is very graphic
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About how he tortures and then kills the atf agents. Whoa who are specifically described as quote multicultural
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Really one african-american female cop who shows up at his house is named gonorrhea
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So you can kind of get the sense of what this guy john ross is all about
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As well as what kind of person would think this is an excellent book like alex is describing
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Wow, that's fucked up henry forces one of the agents to record a confession video
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Which is definitely a false confession in reality
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But in the world of the book is probably meant to be henry getting proof of how wronged he was
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Henry proceeds to decapitate the agent. Whoa
Unknown Speaker (02:04:53.479)
Yeah, he then burns their atf van. So I want to play this game with you dan. It's called republican or isis
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You choose which one that is
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so henry then burns their atf van and shoots some helicopters out of the sky before meeting up with his buddies to discuss how
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They should start a war against the feds using a leaderless resistance model. This is so much like
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What people?
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Thought red dawn was when in reality red dawn was in the first place
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red dawn was when in reality red dawn was the opposite of that like red dawn was supposed to put you inside of
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The the you know people that we are fucking over right, you know
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It it shows you what you would do and why it's it if you think this is reasonable
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Then it's absolutely reasonable for it to be done when the americans are doing it to others
Unknown Speaker (02:05:41.880)
There's an empathy angle to it as opposed to a gross right and apparently this book is like white people
Unknown Speaker (02:05:48.039)
What if we just started being terrorists? Doesn't that sound like a good idea?
Unknown Speaker (02:05:51.800)
It is kind of don't you want to be a terrorist?
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So they uh, they decide they're going to start this war against the feds using leaderless resistance
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They post a false confession video that one that they got before they decapitated the cop
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Uh in order to agitate the militia community and people begin doxing atf agents and what do you know they start getting murdered
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henry makes a declaration that all atf members any judge who upholds gun laws and all cops or elected officials who are against their
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Clear interpretation to the second amendment is guilty of treason and subject to execution
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Multiple congress members are murdered one by henry's friend cindy who is a victim of sex trafficking
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But met henry at an aa meeting and decided to start prostituting herself to pro gun control people and killing them
Unknown Speaker (02:06:31.500)
For henry after he very likely killed her pimps, uh, and keep in mind those murders happened before his run-in with the atf
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So the idea that up to that point he was some kind of a peace-loving gun enthusiast is bullshit
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Which kind of hurts the whole entire conceit of the book which was that he was a good man
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Who was pushed too far by an oppressive government when in reality he was actually already a mass murderer
Unknown Speaker (02:06:49.819)
Uh, so if they had any reason to uh be surveying him, uh, they they certainly did it seems yeah
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Yeah, I think he's the bad guy he is the rest of the book is largely about these gun-loving patriots
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Uh systematically killing uh, ultimately concluding with the patriots meeting with the president to negotiate
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At which point they force him at gunpoint to read an executive order getting rid of all gun laws the point
Unknown Speaker (02:07:11.500)
Uh, uh plot is grossly childish and more than that just gross. There's a lot of uh
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In the review a lot of the reviews i've read
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um, it seems like he really
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Graphically describes the murdering of these cops, uh seems to relish it quite a bit
Unknown Speaker (02:07:31.739)
So, uh here are a couple of interesting pieces of the book that I think are worth discussing
Unknown Speaker (02:07:37.020)
Uh outside of just this simplistic childish
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uh
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Militia porn angle
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Over the course of the story henry and his friends live through some real world events like ruby ridge and waco
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And less tastefully the warsaw ghetto uprising of 1943
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In the text these events happen as they're uh in the way that they're discussed in militia communities not as they actually happened
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So there's a weird historical revisionism thing that's happening that blurs the entire narrative structure
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The story happens in our world clearly because there are events that happened in our world
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But the patriot funhouse mirror of reality is the only point of reference
Unknown Speaker (02:08:17.020)
In many ways, it's kind of like this book exists in the reality that alex jones creates on his program
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Yeah, this sort of twisted version of historical. Um, uh
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revision where these
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Uh pro-gun people have always been the heroes in every single instance
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Right, right, of course and that leads me to my next interesting piece of information
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This book literally and by name calls out support for gun owners for america and jews for the preservation of firearms
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Two gun groups far more extreme than the nra who were both early sponsors of the alex jones show
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A thread on the ar-15 message board if you if you sent that to the president, maybe you
Unknown Speaker (02:08:58.060)
Maybe you would be arrested for that. I don't think you would but it it your intention is something that is fucking violent
Unknown Speaker (02:09:03.739)
Yeah, um a thread on an ar-15 message board asked if people had any recommendations for books similar to unintended consequences
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Pretty much all the responses are to read enemies foreign and domestic a trilogy of books written by regular alex jones guest and fourth hour
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Host matt bracken who predicts a race war coming gop or isis?
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Uh, the writer of this book and his thinly fictionalized characters support the same organizations that support alex
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And in gun communities the most similar book people can come up with was written by one of alex's regular associates
Unknown Speaker (02:09:34.699)
This is not a small overlap that we're seeing and a lot of the rhetoric and a lot of the ideas
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In this book are very similar to things that alex believes
Unknown Speaker (02:09:44.460)
It feels like so many of these people are just trapped in this larp
Unknown Speaker (02:09:49.579)
Like it's it re it really feels like all of these
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Patriot guys are are living in this
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Role-playing game because the real life doesn't do it for them. Mm-hmm. You know, it's it's like they're they're all
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And and so many whenever you talk to people who've left
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This this type of movement and shit and read all of their interviews
Unknown Speaker (02:10:13.420)
And read all of their interviews. They tell the same story of just like they made me feel like I was important
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They made me feel like I had personal control over all of this shit. It goes back to that. Dr
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Wallach selling resentment and hope yeah
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Along with alex that that's a lot of what is preyed upon. Yeah
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resentment as a motivator and uh hope of a simple explanation
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As the uh driving force. Yes. Uh, and and I think what the other thing that
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winds up getting them is the thing that video games do and role-playing games do that is
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Yeah, steve well no not steve jackson games, uh, but is that idea of like
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leveling up a
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Known progression and knowing the way that the future is going to hold. Yeah
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You know as long as I a linear path as long as I perform these actions, then this will follow next
Unknown Speaker (02:11:11.119)
There's no there's no chaos in that book. Well, the title is unintended consequences, right?
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And yet it all plays out exactly how they want it now they fantasize
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They get the president at gunpoint and have him read an executive order. Yeah. Yeah. Okay guys, right, which is actually
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You know
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I I would say that is
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incredibly
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authoritarian, you know, oh, yeah, I mean that's a how so dan well, I mean
Unknown Speaker (02:11:36.479)
It is a piece of this story that they you know
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They present it as this idea where they're the patriots who are standing up for america, right? And like there's
Unknown Speaker (02:11:45.039)
There's no part of me that really believes that they're actually doing what people want. No, no, it's what they want
Unknown Speaker (02:11:52.479)
They didn't really draft any legislation. Well, was there any debate over it? No, they held the president at gunpoint
Unknown Speaker (02:11:58.720)
They're a small group of people who are enforcing their will on everybody. Yep through guns
Unknown Speaker (02:12:05.119)
Yep, it's not some sort even the fantasy of it is convoluted
Unknown Speaker (02:12:10.079)
Um, it's it's very strange but at the end of the day they are
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They nobody hates america more than patriots. It's amazing. So I have one last point about this book jordan
Unknown Speaker (02:12:19.680)
Yeah, uh, it's well known that timothy mcveigh was inspired to go through with his attack on the murrah building by reading the turner diaries
Unknown Speaker (02:12:25.619)
Well while waiting his trial, he got a copy of unintended consequences and this is what he said about it quote
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If people say the turner diaries was my bible unintended consequences would be my new testament
Unknown Speaker (02:12:37.939)
I think unintended consequences is a better book. It might have changed my whole plan of operation if i'd read that one first
Unknown Speaker (02:12:45.939)
Uh, then I guess you're a bad terrorist
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First
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Jesus christ
Unknown Speaker (02:12:54.420)
Hey, it's a great book though. Good book. It's great. Alex thinks it's excellent. Really caller wants to send it to obama
Unknown Speaker (02:12:59.859)
I'm telling you it was really it was a you know, the look the content is bad, but
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W.e.b. Dubois would have loved the pros the pros is just too good
Unknown Speaker (02:13:11.859)
Whatever we're disgusted by and really kind of scared about in the present, uh with alex jones in 2019
Unknown Speaker (02:13:18.579)
It's always been there. Yay
Unknown Speaker (02:13:20.739)
Uh, it's just that the climate wasn't right. I think about it a lot as kind of being lovecraftian in some ways, you know, like
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Cthulhu's always around right but until the stars are right. He has to sleep and really a yeah
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He can't come out unless the the time is right for him to come and teach people new ways of enjoying and terrorizing
Unknown Speaker (02:13:41.000)
Yeah, uh and in the same way like alex is always been like this
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But the stars weren't right. Yeah, the social climate wasn't broken down to the point where these conversations would be
Unknown Speaker (02:13:55.000)
Much more more overt much more accepted as public speech that you know, it it does feel like um
Unknown Speaker (02:14:04.920)
I know it's not a perfect parallel, but that feels very similar to me
Unknown Speaker (02:14:07.479)
No, I definitely see your parallel though. Although one thing that is fascinating to me and it keeps coming up in my mind
Unknown Speaker (02:14:13.239)
And it never comes up on the show because it's the absence of something in his rhetoric
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He doesn't talk about muslims really at all in 2013
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He hates them so much now
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I don't hear him complaining about muslims at all. The only times i've really heard it come up were a guest
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Calling obama a muslim. Yeah, and alex not even doubling down or ranting about it at all
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He doesn't seem to be as overtly islamophobic back then weird. Yeah. I don't know what changed especially since he
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Literally made a bunch of racist comments earlier
Unknown Speaker (02:14:48.279)
You would assume you know, he's he's overtly racist
Unknown Speaker (02:14:51.000)
Yeah, I didn't even notice islam narrative is has been almost entirely absent from this 2013 chunk that we've been going over
Unknown Speaker (02:14:57.239)
That's fascinating and it's not like me selectively editing clips. It's just not there. I didn't even notice that because in those racist clips
Unknown Speaker (02:15:04.520)
I always just add muslims in there. Yeah anytime just like even if he doesn't say it
Unknown Speaker (02:15:09.560)
I'm, I was like, okay, and here's the longer list of who he hates
Unknown Speaker (02:15:13.399)
I know that's easy for you to do and it probably on some level is there
Unknown Speaker (02:15:17.800)
Yeah, but I know from context clues when he's talking about like people who don't get sold guns at gun shows
Unknown Speaker (02:15:23.159)
Yeah, he's specifically talking about like central american and south american, uh immigrants, right?
Unknown Speaker (02:15:29.640)
Um, so anyway, alex has always sucked. Uh
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It's just he's sucked more interestingly in the past
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Yeah, yeah, uh, and I have one more clip because I don't want to end the show on that
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Uh kind of a horrifying nightmare. Yeah
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Yeah
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I would prefer to end it as alex ends his show with him trying to make a starship troopers joke
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And then getting really self-conscious about it
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We take you now to clandathu where our forces are winning an incredible battle against the obamanoids
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Alex jones signing off. That's a starship troopers. Um
Unknown Speaker (02:16:00.520)
Plug there. It's i'm not going crazy before the new york times talks about clandathu
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Okay
Unknown Speaker (02:16:09.479)
That's how that's how the show ends yeah, there's no further words. Nope. That's it. That's the end of the show
Unknown Speaker (02:16:14.920)
That's the end of the show. Also starship troopers is a very fascist book. Sure, but he's uh rambling about uh,
Unknown Speaker (02:16:22.039)
New york times gonna say i'm uh, believe that clandathu's real i'm just making a plug i'm just plugging man. Yeah, jesus christ
Unknown Speaker (02:16:29.399)
He is a stupid ass. What a moron. Uh, so yeah, I mean that brings us to the end of this
Unknown Speaker (02:16:33.799)
Not really much information about sandy hook. Oh, that's right. Is that what we were talking about?
Unknown Speaker (02:16:38.360)
I think that that's one of the things I touched on earlier
Unknown Speaker (02:16:40.840)
I think he only sees sandy hook as a means to an end at this point
Unknown Speaker (02:16:44.920)
Yeah, and that end is already achieved and now the narrative has moved on he's progressed the narrative that he needed
Unknown Speaker (02:16:50.440)
Through sandy hook to the gun extremism to overthrow the president impeach obama
Unknown Speaker (02:16:56.440)
He's taken it on the path that it needed to go on which is probably the goal as it's been all along
Unknown Speaker (02:17:01.799)
Yeah, um, and then also make a lot of money selling the come and take it shirts
Unknown Speaker (02:17:06.040)
Uh during that phase of extreme gun paranoia
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um, so I don't I I do wonder how it's going to uh, progress from here because it's
Unknown Speaker (02:17:18.280)
It seems really possible
Unknown Speaker (02:17:21.559)
That he never needed to do anything more. I know he does. Yeah
Unknown Speaker (02:17:26.200)
Yeah, but at this point it seems like he could have just never talked about sandy hook again
Unknown Speaker (02:17:30.200)
And it probably would have gone away. He could have got all the mileage out of it that he needed
Unknown Speaker (02:17:33.879)
Yeah, I don't know why he needs to go back to the well or why he ever chooses to
Unknown Speaker (02:17:38.360)
Um, but I mean i'd say he's probably got something of a self-destructive personality you bet
Unknown Speaker (02:17:44.600)
And he's dumb as we've heard on this episode him literally talking about committing tax fraud on air
Unknown Speaker (02:17:50.040)
That's so stupid very weird. That's insane. Um, so we'll be back
Unknown Speaker (02:17:54.600)
On monday with another episode indeed. We won't uh, but uh until then, uh,
Unknown Speaker (02:18:00.680)
We have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledgefight.com. That's correct. The illuminati has not taken it down yet
Unknown Speaker (02:18:05.879)
Not yet. DDoS. Nope. Our it department is amazing stellar
Unknown Speaker (02:18:11.239)
Also on twitter at knowledge underscore fight and i'm at go to bed. Jordan. You can find us on facebook you can uh
Unknown Speaker (02:18:17.479)
What if you wanted to actually listen to our podcast though? We are on itunes. We're on itunes. Very, uh,
Unknown Speaker (02:18:23.000)
Yeah, a bunch of other places. Yeah, you know, uh, you know if you're listening to this
Unknown Speaker (02:18:28.280)
Uh, you probably know where you got it. Yeah, probably. Yeah, so, uh, theo ratliff nba great
Unknown Speaker (02:18:34.120)
Theo ratliff he's blocked a lot of shots and killed a lot of dreams, but I don't think
Unknown Speaker (02:18:39.879)
You know dreams of dunks. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. He's killed dunk dreams
Unknown Speaker (02:18:45.319)
But he's never killed anybody the one guy who technically probably has yeah is alex jones
Unknown Speaker (02:18:50.520)
Andy in chansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding
Unknown Speaker (02:18:52.600)
Hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you
