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N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.

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I have great respect for Knowledgefight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.

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Knowledgefight, Dan and Jordan, Knowledgefight, Rinaldo, Rinaldo.

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I need money.

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Rentaldo, Rinaldo, Rinaldo, Andy and Hadley.

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Andy and Hadley.

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Stop it.

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Andy and Hadley.

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Andy and Hadley.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy and Hadley, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a sister in color.

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I'm with huge fans.

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I love your room.

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Knowledgefight.com, I love you.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fat, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're Gubble Dudes.

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Like to sit around and worship at the altar of Selene

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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What's up?

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Quick question for you.

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Hey.

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What's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today, Jordan,

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is it's something weird, but it's very satisfying

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and I don't think I've ever done it before.

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Wow, when a man loves a woman.

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No, very small moment.

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So, whenever you use the microwave,

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obviously you don't want the beeps to happen

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when the timer runs out, right?

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You know, they're annoying.

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Yes, they're frustrating.

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Yeah, and so you want to pull the door

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before the beeps.

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You wait that exactly one second.

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Right, right.

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Yes, yeah, yeah, of course.

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But almost every time that I open the door,

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there'll be one second left on the timer

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or I'll miss it and it'll do the first beep.

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Today, for the first time I've ever noticed,

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I pulled the door at exactly the point

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where there was no beep and the timer was done

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and it felt great.

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I would love to shit on that as an achievement,

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but honestly, if I'm alone

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and I just toss a piece of paper into a trash can,

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fucking go apeshit dancing around.

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Oh my God, I'm Steph Curry.

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You yell like boom shakalaka.

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Oh, the whole thing, oh yeah.

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You're on fire.

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If I close my eyes, I yell Kobe.

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That's what I do, yeah.

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Yeah, it's the real, real satisfying tiny moment there.

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I'll never be able to replicate it.

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Isn't that the worst part of it?

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Nah, it's good to celebrate when it happens

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as opposed to wish we could just live in a space

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where you always open the microwave door

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at the right time.

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What about you?

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I think my bright spot is I think I've decided

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to switch back to contacts, Dan.

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Okay.

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My glasses are, my vision's so bad now

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that at this point I'm like leaning in to read shit.

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I'm doing the whole thing.

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I gotta stop with the glasses, Dan.

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I gotta stop.

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I'm gonna go contacts again, my friend.

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All right.

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Are you gonna be okay?

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No.

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Okay.

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Do you want me to shave too?

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I'll go all the way back.

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Short hair, shaved, I'll look like I'm 19 again.

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I feel like, I don't know,

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I obviously will get used to it,

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but it'll be an adjustment.

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To be fair though, I mean like I think

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over the course of the pandemic,

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you'd want the headband root,

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and that was tough at first, but we got used to it.

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Since you've known me, I think I've looked different

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every five to six months.

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True, but I mean I changed my beard length a bit.

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That's true.

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And that drastically alters my appearance.

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That is true.

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You've had to deal with it on both sides.

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We both have to.

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We'll live.

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Our relationship will survive this.

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Although now I'm rethinking it.

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I've never done contacts before.

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I've never had contacts.

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Does that have, like do they help more

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with vision than glasses generally?

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No, well, so with my eyes,

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contacts are very, very good for like 75% of the world.

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Everything from my full arm away,

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I can see perfectly in all directions.

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And then there's this weird middle ground

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between my arm and where I can normally see.

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And that's where I can't see with contacts.

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So you're saying when you wear contacts,

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they don't sneak up on you.

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Absolutely.

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As long as you're close, it's like a T-Rex.

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Nope, and I played the drums for my life,

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so I'm deaf, you know, it's all there for you.

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I'm essentially a helpless little boy.

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As long as you get really close.

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As long as you get real close.

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The slow blade penetrates the shield, Dan,

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as everybody knows.

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Sure, Thomas Jefferson.

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Exactly, but with my glasses, as you can see,

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everything outside of this area is completely gone.

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So I'm just blind most of the time.

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To the periphery.

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Yes, yeah, I got no peripheral vision.

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Okay, well, easier to sneak up on you then.

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It is now.

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I'm trying to think of which option allows

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for the best sneak options.

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Sneak options, yeah, yeah.

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We've been playing too many video games.

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Probably, a little bit of stealth.

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A little bit of stealth is on our minds recently.

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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

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It's gonna be a little bit shorter of an episode,

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which I think is fine,

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considering there's been too much of us this week.

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No, no, no.

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Too much content.

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Totally normal for people to listen to us

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for several hours every day.

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No, stop it.

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So today, Alex has taken a little breaky.

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He's gone, or has been.

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And so we have no new stuff to go over.

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I was thinking about like, well, what's Owen doing?

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But Owen's just doing an impression of Alex.

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He's so boring.

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I was listening to some Harrison Smith stuff

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and I just didn't want to do that either.

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Although I should point out,

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he just recently had Stuart Rhodes back on for an interview.

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Really?

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Yeah, so Stuart popped up on his show.

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But not on the flagship.

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I've not seen that happen since the indictment.

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But yes, Harrison's still gung ho for him.

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But it was kind of a boring interview.

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So I mean, it's just like,

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ah, my free speech is being taken away.

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Why?

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Right.

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I mean, that's a weird thing considering,

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what was it, just yesterday,

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somebody, one of the guys pled guilty

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to seditious conspiracy.

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Not like, not anything less than seditious conspiracy.

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That's, that's tough.

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That is tough.

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And there are indications that he's cooperating.

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Oh yeah, that's not good.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You plead guilty to treason and you're cooperating?

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That means that they had a lot going on for you.

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Yeah, that means that the,

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what you were looking at is like,

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well, no chance I'm making it out of this trial

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with an acquittal.

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Do they still do public hangings?

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Cause it sounds like that's what they're going for, man.

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This is good.

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I'll cooperate.

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I'll cooperate.

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So we'll see how that all plays out.

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But yeah, that interview Harrison did

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might not look so great.

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Cause I think that was before the dude pled guilty.

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Doesn't look good in retrospect.

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The Harrison Smith story.

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Yeah.

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So what I decided to do instead

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of going over some of that stuff,

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which is think it was kind of like

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just banging a dead horse.

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Banging your head against the wall?

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Kind of, yeah.

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I had a mixed metaphor in my head

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that just wasn't coming out right.

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But it felt like it was pointless.

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And I thought, let's go back to the past.

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Let's do it.

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And so we're on back to 2003,

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continuing that exploration of

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what the fuck was Alex doing back then?

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And so today we're talking about July 18th, 2003.

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All right.

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This episode's weird.

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I hope so.

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Quite weird.

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Interesting.

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And we'll get down to all the little details.

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But before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks.

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Oh, that's a great idea.

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So first, Brent, the Silver Stallion.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Brent.

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I'm gonna steal me from Brent.

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Next, Operation Horizon Forbidden West.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Hence the sneakiness.

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Yeah, thank you very much.

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Next, Walt Jisney.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next, my older brother has convinced Dan is a witch.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Next, Ross the Philosopher.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much, Ross.

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Next, Traawa Jai.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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It might be Trowa.

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Could be Trowa.

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I'm not sure.

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And finally, Worst Life Coach Ever.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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So, uh, Jordan, this is a bottle episode, essentially.

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I mean, like, in 2003, a lot of these have very little connection to anything that's

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going on, certainly in the present day, or even around them.

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Because, I mean, like, our last episode from 2003, Alex talked to that whiz kid who couldn't

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get her diploma because she wasn't old enough to get an equivalence of high school degree.

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And then he talked to Dr. David Race Bannon, who pretended to be from Interpol.

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And so, like, you have all that, and that has nothing to do with, uh...

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It's always fun getting just a slight bit of distance away, being with my memory that

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I have, and then you tell me all of these things, and I know they happen, and at the

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same time, my brain is like, there's no way those things happen.

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There's no way he talked to somebody who named himself after a Johnny Quest character that

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made up an entire history of being an assassin for Interpol.

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I remember that.

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I remember that happening to a fictional character, obviously.

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Yeah, yeah, the highlights of some of the stuff that has gone on on this show in the

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past.

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And by this show, I mean Alex's show in the past.

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So yeah, I feel like one of the only real connective tissue pieces is Callers congratulating

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Alex on his Ann Coulter interview.

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That seems to be one of the only things that actually goes through all these episodes and

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makes me feel like, yeah, this definitely did happen the day after the last one.

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Yeah, yeah, that's true.

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Weird.

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Here is an out of context drop, Jordan, from today's episode.

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And I forgot to plug this, we have a new affiliate in Rhode Island, and I want to thank Mr. Blood

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there.

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No!

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That's a vampire, Alex!

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No!

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Obvious vampire.

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Obvious vampire.

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Mr. Blood?

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Are you kidding me?

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Alex.

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All right.

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Don't get into business with Mr. Blood.

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All right.

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He's from the Northeast.

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I'm sorry.

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That one tricked me.

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You got me.

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You got me, buddy.

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So there are two main narratives that are going throughout this episode.

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And one of them is outrageously offensive.

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Okay.

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It is very much in Alex taking a news story that is happening and repurposing it for his

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own use as a homophobic attack.

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Right.

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Great.

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Good.

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Good, good, good.

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And we get that right off the jump.

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Speaking of cannibalism, it's real big with the culture of death crowd.

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Rolling Stone has reported a liberal publication about how the homosexuals, quote, want to

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get AIDS, it's a culture of death.

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Well, in Germany, cannibalism is big.

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They'll cut their arms and legs off and eat them at large dinners.

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But now they're volunteering to be killed and gobbled in large death rings.

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This is BBC.

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I mean, any type of depravity, stuff that never has even entered our minds is going

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on out there.

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And I'm committing a hate crime criticizing the cannibalism, by the way, according to

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Scotland Yard's Diverse for the Unit.

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I'm not joking, folks.

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I will probably be arrested someday just for reporting that this is deviant behavior.

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Some of the top media presenters over in England, we had him on the show last year, was arrested

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for using the word homosexual instead of gay.

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You notice all the articles say gay, gay, gay, gay, which isn't the proper word.

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Homosexual, heterosexual, Anglo, Negro, you know, these are scientific terms for things,

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but they find that offensive, so you can't use the scientific term.

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So the gays are big on eating each other, literally, and giving each other syphilis

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and AIDS.

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I'm not saying all of them, but a larger group, and it's very dangerous, and it's horrible,

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and I'm a hate criminal for even reporting it.

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Oh boy.

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That is-

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That was a little shocking.

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That is one of the more, like, very clearly a, just a child with no information letting

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his imagination run wild, like, oh, yeah, gay people, I don't understand them, and I

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don't understand cannibals.

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Gay people are cannibals.

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They're eating each other.

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That's what it means when you eat ass, Dan, you eat each other.

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You eat your ass.

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This is 2003.

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This is before eating ass was really hot.

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This is before eating ass was huge.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Alex has always been a trendsetter.

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That's true.

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Um, this is a situation where there are, like, a couple of data points that Alex is, like

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you're saying, like a child just connecting things.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Just like, ooh, ooh, ooh, yeah.

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I don't know what Rolling Stone article Alex is citing, but if it's supposed to back up

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any of that nonsense, I'd really like to get a look at it.

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Unfortunately, Alex uses no specifics, and I don't know.

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What kind of adult could just literally just say that, and with this such a blasé, like,

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you know, this is just, what is it with kids these days?

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They're eating each other, you know?

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Like, he's saying it like it's a human interest piece.

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It's very popular among the gay community to eat each other and give each other AIDS.

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He's doing a trend piece that's just out of a fucking alternate universe.

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Yeah, this is gonna be something that keeps coming up on this episode, so we'll deal with

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it a little more detail later, but this is just homophobic nonsense, really.

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Yeah, absolutely!

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And the guy Alex is talking about, he didn't get arrested for saying gay.

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He was questioned and eventually arrested related to some things that he said at a fair

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that were alleged to have been inciting.

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This dude gave a speech where he asserted that he believed that country people should

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have the same rights as members of minority groups, or at least that's the version of

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the story as it appears in papers.

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His speech wasn't recorded, and according to the BBC, quote, several people complained

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to the police about his speech.

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So I kind of assume that he said some other shit, you know, he didn't end up getting charged.

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Alex has just created a fake version of the story, so you can launch into that weird rant

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that he has about how he refuses to say gay, because it's not a scientific term, or whatever.

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As everybody's known for a long time, the Spanish word for black is a scientific term

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used to describe human beings.

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It's true.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, we've talked about it in the past, his name's Robin something.

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I can't even, I don't even remember what his last name is, but we talked about this in

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detail in a past episode, but I just wanted to refresh that in case people had forgot.

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So this is an interesting point that should be remembered, I think as illustrated by this

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clip.

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Even as far back as 2003, Alex was spreading completely insane and bigoted narratives about

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how gay people like to be cannibals and give each other AIDS.

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So when someone suggests that he always, you know, he wasn't always such a bigot, that's

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just not borne out by the reality of this stuff.

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No, no, no, no.

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It's pretty nuts.

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Pretty nuts.

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I mean, you know, when you can look at somebody's bigotry as like, somebody somehow describing,

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you know, Alex wasn't as bigoted back then as he is now, and your only thing you can

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hang your hat on right now, I guess, is like, now his bigotry is full out like, maybe we

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should just kill everybody I don't like.

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But back then it was like, everybody I don't like is probably a cannibal, which is almost

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kind of, you know, like that is bigoted, I agree, but it's a lot more silly.

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It's true.

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Yeah.

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It's true.

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There is a, like, psych meds turn you into Frankenstein monsters or something.

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There's a quality of psych-

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Yeah!

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What are you doing?

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That's great.

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Yeah.

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Why not?

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So, look, I think that I disagree with Alex's coverage here, but he seems to be pretty insistent

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about this.

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Okay.

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It's a big fetish here in the U.S. that's been reported on the news to go to Mexico

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and have your legs cut off and then to eat them, and you run out of, out of the long

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ham, that's what you call human flesh, well, you got to resort to killing yourself so out

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there to see how it's a sacrifice you make so they can have the delicious meal.

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But again, I'm radical and extreme.

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I'm against this.

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I'm also pro-gun, by the way.

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We'll be, it means I'm a liberal.

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We'll be right back.

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Weird.

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Weird.

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Weird mood.

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Tell me more about that.

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So I knew immediately what Alex was talking about here, but the way he's reporting on

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this is just cartoonish.

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Yeah.

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There's a big fetish in the U.S. to go to Mexico to get your legs cut off so you can

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eat them, but then you run out of legs.

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You run out of legs!

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So people got to kill you in order for you to be eaten.

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So this is based on just a few stories that have come out of people who want to have their

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healthy limbs amputated.

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Sure.

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This is a pretty poorly understood phenomenon that's been labeled body integrity identity

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disorder, and the frequency of cases is pretty low, but it's very difficult to get a precise

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number on people who experience this.

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Right.

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It's definitely not always connected to sexual feelings, although sometimes people do have

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a sexual relationship with it, and people who have these feelings, they aren't wanting

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to get their limbs amputated so they can eat them.

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Yep.

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That's not typically the presentation of this.

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Alex is just writing a grotesque story about something that he knows nothing about and

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something that he knows that it's not in his financial interest to know anything about.

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If he learns things, then he can't do these cannibals walk among us rants to scare the

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audience and make them think that gay people should be seen as less than human.

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Yeah.

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There's a big fetish to go to Mexico.

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Oh boy.

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The legs cut off.

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You know that old fetish.

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It's great.

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Old chestnut.

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Okay.

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All right, so look, okay, you can tell me like, oh, there's this fetish for going and

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getting your legs chopped off so people can eat them.

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He did.

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He did tell you that.

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He did tell me that.

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My problem really is the follow-up where he's like, and they say I'm crazy.

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It's like, you are crazy, sir.

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There's actually, I think that by the end of this episode, I will lay out what I believe

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that strategy is because I do think that that's an intentional strategy, him saying, they'll

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say that I'm extreme because I'm criticizing you.

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So on our way to finding this conclusion, we need to learn more about this.

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Yeah, obviously.

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There's some more cannibalism to be discussed.

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Quick question.

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Is there a demographic breakdown we have?

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Or is it more large people with larger legs who are chopping their legs off?

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Like if I'm a skinny person, I'm going to like practice, you know, I'm going to gain

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some weight before I go down there, then I got something substantial to really chew on,

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you know?

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Right.

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But that might actually not be how you get the best meat.

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Ooh, that's a good point.

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Might want lean.

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I don't, I don't know.

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No, there is no discussion of this.

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But it turns out that there is a case of a cannibal in 2003.

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All right.

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There was a cannibal charged with murder.

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The man he ate wanted to be eaten.

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He was part of a 450 grip cannibal organization, and they found some other stuff.

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There may be multiple bodies in the house.

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You talk about the culture of death, very successful importation by UNESCO, the culture

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of death.

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As Rolling Stone reported, these people want to die.

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They want AIDS.

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This is Rolling Stone, by the way.

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A large section, they say now, about a third of San Francisco men who were polled want

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AIDS, want to die, and there's also now this whole class Satanism coming into it.

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That's BBC talking about dehumanization, scientists to clone a mammoth.

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That's coming up.

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A real lackadaisical throw to a mammoth cloning story.

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Man, you know, it turns out a third of all men in San Francisco want to get AIDS and

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die, and I guess mammoths are around.

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Next on news.

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Yeah, I didn't track that down, because I don't know what he's talking about, and I

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don't know what this Rolling Stone article is.

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But in terms of the cannibal, this is about Armin Meuse, who was that German dude who

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ate a guy who had volunteered to do it after meeting Armin on a message board called the

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Cannibal Cafe.

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There may have been like 450 people on that message board, like Alex saying it's a group

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of 450, but I'm going to guess that a vast majority of them were just people who had

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a vorophilia kink, which is the erotic desire to eat someone or be eaten.

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Like the cannibal cop from years ago.

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Well...

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Not quite, but yes.

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I would say that almost everyone on that message board was on there to roleplay something that

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was part of a fantasy, but not something they actually wanted to do, which is probably a

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big part of why Armin had multiple people agree to let him eat them, but then they ultimately

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backed out.

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I would guess that that was because they realized he was serious about eating them, which was

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a deal breaker.

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They didn't want to get eaten.

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No.

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They wanted to jerk off to the thought, not actually get eaten.

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Probably.

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Yeah.

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Initially, this was a mess from a court perspective, because as the BBC put it, quote, cannibalism

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is not a recognized offense under German law, and the defense will argue that since the

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victim volunteered, this was no murder.

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That's trouble.

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That's a bad day in court for everyone involved.

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Wow, whoops.

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No one's happy.

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Ooh, shit.

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We forgot to make this illegal.

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Wait, is cannibalism fine?

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Did we forget cannibalism was wrong?

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So in his first trial, he was convicted of manslaughter, but he was retried in 2005,

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where the argument that he was killing for sexual gratification, which was proven by

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the fact that he had videotaped the crime, led to a murder conviction.

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Right.

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Yeah, that one works.

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It probably didn't help that he had also posted on that message board looking for another

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person to eat, which really made the case pretty strong that he was likely to re-offend.

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Now you're a cereal eater.

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Yes.

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Now you're a cereal cannibal killer.

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Yeah.

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That's trouble.

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This is an exceedingly uncommon crime for someone to commit, as evidenced by the fact

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that this is- The entire world knows the story.

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Exactly.

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This is the same case where he cut off the penis and they ate it before the guy died.

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Yes, absolutely.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is using this very sensational and headline-grabbing case as a way to demean

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the gay community, and this is an important piece to recognize.

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In 2003, trans people weren't the primary target of the extreme right in terms of their

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desire to kick up fake moral panics.

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This isn't to say that homophobia doesn't exist anymore in our present day, but it's

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not as central to the right wing's strategy anymore because it doesn't create the same

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response in their audience.

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People are cooler with gay people now, so they gotta get more extreme.

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They have to shift over to a vulnerable group, and the homosexual community is not as vulnerable

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as they were to their attacks as they were in 2003.

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You got it.

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Alex tends to be above all the stuff that the more mainstream right-wing pundits get

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into, but he's no different than any of them.

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He's just a more extreme version.

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He's willing to make more stuff up to keep his audience interested, but he plays the

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exact same game that his contemporaries, like a Rush or a Hammy, would do.

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Yeah, and it's so emblematic of who they are as people, like deep down, that the moment

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a minority group becomes strong enough and receives enough support, they stop attacking

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it on whatever ideological quote-unquote grounds or moral grounds they had before, and they

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go to somebody weaker.

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Weaker.

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Always.

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Always weaker.

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Some group that has less societal support, more vulnerability, and the thing that's particularly

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distasteful about it is that then they'll pretend that, like, I never really had a problem

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with that.

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I never had a good problem with gay people.

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It doesn't matter what they do inside their bedrooms.

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I'm fine with whatever you do at home now.

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I should tell you, they like to eat people.

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They do like to eat people.

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It's like, yeah, it's just such a, like, how does everybody not look at them and go, oh,

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they're just a bunch of cowardly bullies, and we get trapped by them because they're

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so fucking loud all the time, you know?

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It's brutal.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's, and I think that one of the values of going back and looking at these past episodes

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is that the cultural milieu of the right wing and their sort of culture war narratives are

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so similarly strategized, but their focuses are different, and you can see so clearly

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how that works by comparing the past and present.

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Totally.

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You can't keep going down the list of letters in LGBTQ as just like, oh, well, today we're

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going to pick on G.

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Tomorrow we're going to pick on T. It's just a monster.

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It's just monstrous.

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Yeah.

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So Alex goes to calls.

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He takes a lot of calls at this episode because he burned himself out on guests with Dr. Ray

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Spannan, I believe.

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You're not going to get much better than that.

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You can't.

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He's a hero, and so this caller has a great question for Alex, and this, you could tell

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Alex was a little bit pissed off by this.

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I miss Brian of New York calling in.

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Have you two guys have a fallout or?

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Yes, yes.

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I had a fallout with a caller.

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No.

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I haven't had a fallout with anybody.

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Brian of New York?

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Oh, the caller, sir, come on.

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I haven't had any fallouts with anybody.

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Oh.

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Okay.

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My show isn't about fallouts with callers.

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I'm not mad at you, but it is kind of irritating.

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No, I know.

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Well, he calls Tom Valentine, but I used to like to hear him call your show.

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Okay.

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Well, he can call and be locked in.

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Maybe he's on vacation.

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Thanks for the call.

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I really appreciate it, sir.

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Thank you so much.

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I love that this show could have those moments back then.

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Oh, man.

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That's what we...

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Fuck all those CNN, is this guy the mastermind document, or give me a compilation of other

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callers being like, is Brian from New York okay?

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We haven't heard from him in a while.

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Did you guys get into a fight?

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You guys doing okay?

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And I love the moment of Alex responding, yeah, me and this caller got into a fight.

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No, what are you talking about?

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What are you talking about?

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What, what, what?

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What?

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We gotta do...

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Why would we get into...

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What?

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That's kind of like...

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Yeah, that's what happened.

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Yeah.

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Like that kind of rhetorical thing doesn't exist for Alex anymore.

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No.

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There's no good sarcastic shitbag comebacks.

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No.

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Nope.

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And there's something refreshing about that.

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Yeah.

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So there's also a caller with a conversation about a nuclear attack, or maybe a false flag

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nuclear attack that's coming.

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And Alex has some interesting advice about when you should get your guard up.

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Okay.

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If you don't want a Pearl Harbor where we get nuked, Barney, think of the insane police

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state that will come out of that.

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The way it looks to me, it'd be too risky for them to rely on missiles, intercontinental

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ballistic missiles or whatnot.

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Real quick, can you talk about North Korea?

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Yeah.

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Former Defense Secretary says we will be nuked, Washington Post, by North Korea.

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Well, they probably...

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And I don't want it past the globalists to detonate one and say they did it.

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They probably already got their warheads planted here in this country.

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Sure.

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Well, the globalists are totally ruthless and they want to reengine our society.

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They're putting the control grid in all around us right now.

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Well, they wouldn't take a chance on losing their own people.

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They have to have them planted.

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Well, that's why you got to watch out when, exactly, you got to watch out when the globalists

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are all out of town or at one meeting place or not in Washington.

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Just look out.

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Yeah.

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Look out.

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Whenever the globalists are out of town, that's when the nuke is going to go off.

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Yeah.

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Have you ever done those shows at VFWs or something along those lines?

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Never done an Elks Lodge or anything like that?

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Maybe, but it's been a long time since I was doing stand-up, so I don't remember all of

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the gigs I did.

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I've been to more than my fair share.

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I feel like I've done karaoke at VFW halls more than stand-up.

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I've done plenty, and there is that, it's all going fine before the show.

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You do the show, and if everybody likes you, you get asked to join conversations that sound

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absurdly like this one all the time of just like, well, you know, obviously the evil boogeyman

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wouldn't do this.

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They would hide the nukes inside your bedroom, and you're like, sure, man, fine, whatever.

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That makes sense.

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And then when they go out to the grocery store, that's when the nukes are going to go off.

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I appreciate your scare quotes.

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Yeah, so this is a false flag that didn't happen, another bad prediction on Alex's part.

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But I do like, there's a distinct difference here between the way Alex talks about the

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globalist evil plan compared to the present day, and that is in the present day he's like,

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they are going to kill all of their own people.

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Everybody.

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You don't have to worry about the globalists going out of town anymore.

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The world.

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Yeah, in the present, that's not going to help you determine whether or not there's

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an attack coming.

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So we got another bad prediction on Alex's part here.

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That's how you support the troops.

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You just use them up.

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Don't worry, they'll have a new crowd of young people.

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They're going to have a national draft.

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I mean, come on, baby.

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There's lots of death to go around.

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We'll take more calls when we get back.

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So we have two predictions here just from the beginning of this episode that are not

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good.

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One, another national draft.

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Yeah.

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Did not happen.

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Nope.

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A false flag from North Korea, or possibly a false flag made to look like North Korea

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of a city being nuked.

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I wouldn't put it past the globalists to do that.

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Right.

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So just as a reminder of the litany of things that Alex is wrong about predicting.

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The problem was you had just gone out of town when the North Koreans nuked us.

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Oh.

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So you were out of Chicago, we got nuked.

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Oh, shit.

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And I didn't hear about it?

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No, no, no.

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We put it back together pretty quick.

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We didn't want the North Koreans to get the win.

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That's impressive.

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So they blew us up.

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Community solidarity coming together, rebuild in time.

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Yep.

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We got to get this together before Dan gets back.

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We can't let Dan know about this.

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He's going to put it all out on the streets.

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Oh, no.

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You're a gossip, Dan.

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That's what everybody said.

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So we heard from the out of context drop that Mr. Blood is now syndicating Alex's show.

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Yes, he is.

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So Alex gets a call from somebody who's, I don't think this is maybe from the same station

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or another station in Rhode Island.

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I'm not sure.

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Alex may have two...

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Two Mr. Bloods?

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No, two stations in...

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Oh.

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And I actually think I know what the issue is here.

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I think I know what the deal is, is he does mention that there's two stations in Rhode

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Island.

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Okay.

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So this person is calling from one of them.

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Michelle, you're on the air.

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Go ahead.

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Hi, Alex Jones.

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How are you?

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Good.

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Good to talk to you.

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Good to talk to you.

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My name is Michelle Freeman, and my husband's Ben Freeman, and he's on W-A-R-L, and I just

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wanted to let you know...

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And tell us the call letters, and tell us about the station.

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It's W-A-R-L, power 1320, and it's Reality Radio.

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Oh, what a good name.

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And they come from pretty much Providence and up to Attleboro, Massachusetts.

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Now where is this based?

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It's based in Providence, and they're upping their wattage so that they can reach more

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listeners.

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So this lady giving her first and last name is the beginning of something that ends up

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paying off later.

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Okay.

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There's another caller, the next caller gives his first and last name, and Alex goes, people

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gotta stop doing this.

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I'm not mad at you.

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You can't use your first and last name, because somebody could be calling in to make somebody

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else look bad.

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You gotta cut it out.

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So it should come as no surprise here, Jordan, though, that this radio station doesn't exist

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in the same format that it did in 2003.

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That whole reality radio thing that Alex is so excited about.

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But it was a great name.

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Oh, it was a bust.

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So 1320 AM in that area of the Northeast is actually based out of Attleboro, Massachusetts,

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and it's been operational since 1950, going through many changes in their theme from that

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time.

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It wasn't just rebranding as reality radio, it had been following an easy listening format.

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So there was another AM station in Providence around that time, WALE 990, that was a lot

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of conspiracy talk, and I think that's the other station that Alex is talking about being

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on.

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They went bankrupt in 2003, at which point a lot of their programming was shifted over

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to 1320.

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And they sold their name to Wally.

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Yes, forever.

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So it should be noted that a non-insignificant part of this station going bankrupt had to

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do with them airing some really fucked up shows.

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Like American Dissident Voices, which was released by the National Alliance, who are

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Nazis.

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Oh god, no!

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Yes.

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The fun time happy Nazi hour in Rhode Island.

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Yeah.

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So that station went bankrupt, 1320 switched formats over to an all-conspiracy lineup,

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and took some of their programming on, and it was not a hit.

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Because by 2004, they'd switched again and were now a sports talk station.

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Right, right, right.

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They were running Lake Oh-No-Begone for a long time, where the men are all Nazis, and

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the women are Nazis, and the children are really fucking Nazis, man.

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I think Garrison Keillor's a mess enough.

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Yeah.

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I watched, I didn't realize they had videos of live performances, of those old shows,

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and oh my god, I watched, number one, I forgot that the news from Lake Oh-Begone was such

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a long segment, I didn't realize that some of them were like 20 minutes long.

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Forever.

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I thought it was just like a little thing.

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When you remember the show in your head, it is encapsulated by like five sentences, every

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show, and then if you actually go back and listen to it, you're like, this is interminable.

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This never ends.

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I thought, my memory of Garrison Keillor's show was that it's sort of like a variety

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show, where one of the segments is news from Lake Oh-Begone, there'd be the fake commercials.

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There's the songs.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it was so long.

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I got so bored, but also, watching Garrison Keillor deliver this was something that everybody,

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I don't know, maybe it was just because I grew up in this NPR kind of family, there

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was this impression of him as one of the great orators and storytellers, and the legacy of

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Mark Twain.

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Sure, sure.

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And the way he was lackadaisically staring, looking down at the ground and kicking non-existent

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rocks on stage as he told the story.

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It was awful.

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He has got a face for radio, my friend.

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Did you see the movie?

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The delivery?

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No.

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Oh, man, I may be misremembering this entirely, but I'm fairly certain Lindsay Lohan was in

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there.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I love that she was.

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I want to say so.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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It was nonstop excitement.

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I was shocked, watching it, how just uncompelling of a performance it was.

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It made me reconsider a lot of the things that my parents thought were entertaining

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when I was young.

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Yeah, well, that'll do it.

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Just make sure I never have to watch a video of a live taping of Whaddya Know?

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Yeah, please don't.

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That would be trouble.

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We do not recommend it.

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Although, I have found old recordings of Celtic Connections and Hearts of Space.

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Never heard of Hearts of Space.

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What's Hearts of Space?

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Hearts of Space was a show that would play on, I think it was Saturday or Sunday nights

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on NPR, and it was space music, so it was like weird soundscapes, but then the narrator

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of it would be like, welcome to Hearts of Space, fellow travelers.

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Welcome fellow space fans.

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It's straight up like a quiet storm, like the Tim Meadows SNL character thing.

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I don't know that sketch you're talking about, but perhaps.

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Each episode, as I recall, would have a theme that were just these abstract themes, like

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today we're dealing with envy.

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Then the music could be like beep boop boop.

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Was this where Squarey Carry's first album was dropped?

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It could have been.

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It could have been.

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I don't know.

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I still really enjoy Hearts of Space though, that is a lot of fun.

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Let's go back and revisit that.

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So yeah, Alex is on this station in Rhode Island, and then it went off the air within

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a year.

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Okay.

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Or it went to a sports talk format.

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Hey, that's not a bad.

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So Alex gets another caller, and this guy is just a nice, pretty clearly, sovereign

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citizen fellow.

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Eh, good guy.

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I myself, like you, have fought against the government as far as the identity issues.

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I fought against Los Angeles Police Department, got rid of my social security number, revoked

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my social security number, driver's license, did all that, and I ended up spending two

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and a half years in the county jail, and they said in the court that they had to punish

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me extraordinarily because I'm a constitutionalist.

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They said that in open court.

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The FBI argued in Denver last year, Denver Post, that the constitution is not admissible

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and has connections to terrorists.

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They didn't.

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No.

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They actually get to this Denver case accidentally in a little bit.

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Oh.

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But yeah, I think you can do a lot of hiding by calling yourself a constitutionalist instead

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of a sovereign citizen weirdo, which is what this guy's doing.

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I would love to get my hands on whatever he went to jail for, because I'm sure it's not

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what he's saying.

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No, it's probably just because he loves the constitution too much.

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Probably it's something to do with the constitution and his love of it.

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Yeah, he was at the library and he tried to check out a copy of the constitution, and

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16 secret police members just descended upon him, and they had to throw him in jail immediately.

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But the same caller has some other ideas.

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I think he's kind of getting the tone from Alex, and he's just bouncing it back at him.

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Well, one more point.

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You know, I was looking at Bush and the Prime Minister of England, they look like two gay

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guys prancing in the woods, I mean, what's up with that?

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They look like they're in love with each other.

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Well, they are in love with each other.

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Should be down here in West Hollywood working it.

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Anyways, I'm sorry for the shock news here, so thanks a lot.

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All right, thank you.

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Please, we have a family audience here.

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It's a family show.

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You know, it is a sad day every time I hear a conservative laugh just because some guy

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went, those two men standing close to each other, what if they were banging, right?

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Oh my god, that's the funniest thing I've ever considered.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, well done.

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You know.

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Great joke.

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It's an expression of some homophobia, but it is also at the same time just not a good

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joke.

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It's just a bad joke.

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Yeah.

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It's kind of un-clever and hacky even if it weren't offensive.

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It's just sad.

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Yeah.

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Stop it.

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So, I told you there were two narratives that were sort of running through the episode.

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The first is gay people like to eat humans.

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They do.

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But that's not a bad thing.

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I think Alex is reporting it as a bad thing.

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Oh, okay.

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All right.

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The second is about David Kelly, who was not the TV producer.

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He was a weapons inspector and a doctor who committed suicide and died the day before

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this episode.

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And the backstory of it has to do with, he had been quoted in an article in the BBC that

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had to do with a claim that was in a British government dossier about the Iraq war and

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their potential for weapons of mass destruction that had to do with, there was a line in it

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about there being, the weapons could be deployed within 45 minutes.

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This line itself, as alleged by David Kelly, was something that the Downing Street spokesperson

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insisted be put in the report.

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And so there was a big brouhaha about this and the characterization of it in the BBC,

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whether it matched what David Kelly had told this reporter, whether it was supposed to

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be entirely on background.

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And it's just a huge mess.

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And he ended up dying from suicide prior to this.

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The episode narrative, I didn't spend a lot of time, I didn't want to cut a ton of clips

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because it's kind of grotesque in some ways.

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But Alex is just insisting that the government killed him off because he was blowing the

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whistle.

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Alex exaggerates the actions and the circumstances around it.

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And I'm just going to play this one clip because I think it's important to recognize how Alex

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takes an absence of information and how he has no idea what happened.

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This guy was announced dead hours before this show.

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So he knows all the details he needs to.

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Right, there isn't any available information.

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So in that space, he just declares it essentially a cover up and a murder because it's more

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interesting for him.

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That's all coming up.

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Over on the British doctor scientist, who was high level in ministry defense, exposed

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the cover ups by Blair of the false evidence of weapons of mass destruction.

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He ended up dead last night after being threatened and being quote mistreated, the BBC said,

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because he was one of the leakers.

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He's leaking, but in other ways, of course, the government won't say how he died.

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I'm sure the family will be told to shut up, it'll never come out how he died, or maybe

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it will.

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I don't know.

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We got loaded phones, we're about to go to...

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What is the point of saying it'll never come out how he died, or maybe it will, who knows?

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What is the point of that except to inject unhealthy distrust, like just complete knee

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jerk based on nothing distrust and an expectation of everything is a lie.

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And I think that that's not helpful.

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Yeah, I mean, he's just saying, look, anything could happen, but whatever it is they tell

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you is not true.

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I know.

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And it's the same thing that we heard him say as it relates to the invasion of Ukraine

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on our last episode, you'll never know the actual death numbers, they'll never tell you

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the truth.

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You'll never know.

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Did he not do it?

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You'll never know.

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And if you find out, they're lying to you.

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And if what they're lying to you is what's true, they're lying to you about what's true

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to lie to you about it.

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Yeah.

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And by the way, it's an attempt to insulate all information sources on the outside of

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the audience's acceptance.

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Trust no one but me.

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Yep.

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So Alex gets a call from another guy who wants to ask about this fella.

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He's got himself a little militia going.

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Hey, listen, Alex, we respect your opinion and I need one from you on some information

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I found.

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At a website a couple of days ago, it's stanley2002.org.

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Are you familiar with Rick Stanley, his mutual defense pack militia?

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Did you know he's issued a preliminary militia alert?

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And last but not least, don't we have an obligation to protect our like minded friends?

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Just say white dude.

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This Stanley individual is he in Texas, like he's in Denver.

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Um, actually, I've heard that name somewhere is, is he the guy that that went to the Capitol

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arm and got arrested?

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That's it.

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That's it.

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He apparently he was like that.

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We don't have a second amendment.

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He just said to the news, I'm going to go with a gun holstered as I have this right

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and you watch I'm going to get arrested and he did.

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And then the FBI said in that case, quote, the Constitution can't be argued.

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That was one of the deals.

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And I don't know what he's calling for.

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I need to get him on the show.

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So this is the Denver case that Alex was referencing earlier, right?

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Which is weird because he was referencing it sort of abstractly.

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And then this caller calls in Yeah, not in response to Alex's comment, but brings up

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the guy that that case was about.

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Yeah, nuts.

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It's nice coincidence.

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So this guy's website is stanley2002.org because he's running for Senate in Colorado as a libertarian

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at this point or did.

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Spoiler alert, he didn't do too well.

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He did somehow get 111 votes, which is way more than I would have expected.

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I bet it was all from quote, like minded people could be part of why I am shocked he got this

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many votes is because he's clearly an insane person based on this caller and Alex's description

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of him, but also because he got in a bit of trouble prior to the election due to some

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bad behavior in an online discussion about immigration or his behavior was apparently

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so offensive that his webmaster quit over it to which stanley commented to the Rocky

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Mountain News, quote, Michelle is a very emotional woman.

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Surprise, surprise in politics, there might be emotional women.

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Ah, wow, seems like an asshole.

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Just wow.

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You know?

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Yeah, just those guys.

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So in this discussion about immigration, for some reason, Stanley decided to post a really

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offensive racist poem titled illegal.

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I can't find the full text to it, but here's the part that's quoted in the Rocky Mountain

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News.

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Quote, welfare checks, they keep you wealthy, Medicaid, it keeps you healthy.

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By and by, I got plenty, thanks to you, American dummy.

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Doesn't really rhyme necessarily, but that's the beginning of it.

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And apparently here's the last line from the poem, quote, we think America, darn good place,

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too darn good for the white man race.

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If they know like us, they can go, got lots of room in Mexico.

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You know, racist poetry has really fallen since A White Man's Burden, you know?

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Like at least A White Man's Burden had a structure to it.

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This action did not sit well with folks, the idea of contributing this racist poem to an

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online discussion about immigration.

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He's a few hundred years late.

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He's a few hundred years late to that being a great poem.

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Yeah, so he took a little bit of a heat for that in the local press.

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Maybe he went from 115 votes to 111.

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Jesus Christ.

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So the event that Alex and this caller are talking about isn't quite what they're making

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it out to be.

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Stanley had gotten arrested for open carrying a 357 at a campaign event, which is illegal

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in the town that he was in.

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That would be one thing, and maybe it could be a situation, if that happened, where you

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could appeal it and see if you could get the law changed, but Stanley's a real weirdo,

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so he took a different route.

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He was set to start his 90 day sentence in jail that he got for this open carry violation,

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but he didn't show up.

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Ooh, that's gonna go wrong.

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Instead, he decided that he was gonna threaten the judges in town that if they didn't overturn

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the verdict in his case, he and his mutual defense pact militia would arrest them and

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try them for treason.

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He sent each of them notices, and guess what, this is way more illegal than open carrying.

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Oh yeah?

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What about it?

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Well, the court put in protective orders against him to ensure the safety of the judges, orders

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which Stanley was explicit that he did not accept as real.

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This led to getting SWAT teams to have to protect the judges from the potential threat

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of this guy and his militias that he clearly believes are above the law.

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I mean, hey, you know.

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He was sentenced to six years in jail, and after the sentencing, he was quoted as saying,

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quote, the only victim here is Rick Stanley on behalf of every American.

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I mean, I was thinking that his final words are gonna be like, what did I do?

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Yeah.

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So that's this guy.

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That's who they're talking about.

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I'm just out here trying to be a good dude.

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You guys are the ones going crazy.

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It's fun how these kinds of people and their clearly fucked up behavior gets reinterpreted

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and repackaged on Alex's show as like, yeah, you know what, he was just going to be a symbolic

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protest where he brought a gun to the courthouse to bring attention to gun rights.

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He just wanted to let people know what was going on.

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And then the FBI was like, you can't use the Constitution.

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And then he was like, I'm going to kill these judges.

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And I don't even know why people got mad, you know, what was the problem in the first

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place?

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He was just open carrying a 357 magnum at a fucking political rally, like people who

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are doing good things do.

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I honestly think that, you know, based on whatever, I don't think him having the gun

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at his rally is necessarily the biggest deal.

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And that's why he only would have gotten 90 days in jail for it and could be the kind

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of wedge issue that Alex wants to present it as.

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Him having the gun at the rally could be the case that you use as something to initiate

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a larger discussion about it, threatening judges.

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That's where you went wrong.

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Yeah.

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You take the 90 day sentence, you blow it way out of proportion.

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You go 90 days, they might as well be killing my child, you know, and then the Second Amendment

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and blah, blah, blah.

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You do all that.

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You continually forget the part where you're threatening judges.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But the threatening judges part where you go to jail for six years, that one's going

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to really hurt the other.

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And I think really one of the parts that made the threats to the judges more problematic

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was that it was clearly you have to overturn my sentence or there's this consequence.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's a threat.

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And, you know, clear, your intentions clear.

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Right.

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And the fact that he was saying that he had the backing of this militia group.

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Those two things combined made the threat a little bit more difficult for him to not

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get in trouble for.

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I mean, ideologically libertarians are okay with extortion, I guess.

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So that's fine.

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That's just speech, man.

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Yeah, it's just speech with a gun at your head.

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So Alex gets another caller and man, there's a lot of weirdos who are getting play and

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shout outs on this episode.

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Hey, the guy that just called from Idaho, Dan, I thought he was going to mention this

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guy.

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He's, he's to me, in my opinion, is really important to, uh, he, he, uh, is got a strategy

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for a gradual transition, a peaceful, orderly transition back to the law of the land, uh,

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you know, through attrition basically, but this guy knows the law and you never hear

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about him.

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And, uh, Earl Schiff and all those guys, um, which in my opinion, they're distractors.

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They're meant to mislead.

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Um, you know, the 16th amendment, I do, I agree.

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It probably was not ratified, however, you don't need to go that route.

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There's there's a better way.

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But, but, but I mean, I understand what you're saying, but let me tell you the guy's name

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first, Gary A. DeMott, and they've got him in prison in Mississippi, even though the

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first conviction was not executed because he got a jury trial instead of a trial by

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jury.

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Ah, oh my God.

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So this is really exciting.

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Another person has a violence-free plan on how to revert the government back to a law

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of the land situation, which I guess probably has to mean sovereign citizenship.

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Just gotta go with the law of the land.

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This guy's just talking about like, you know, taxes being illegal and shit.

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Anyway, Gary DeMott got arrested for filing fraudulent tax returns and helping other people

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file fraudulent tax returns.

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But the larger picture of his career is that he's another really scary militia demagogue

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that tried to take over a county in Idaho.

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In 1996, he was the head of a group called the Idaho Sovereignty Association, which is

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naturally a sovereign citizen group.

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Apparently part of his belief system is that your constitutional rights are actually your

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property in a literal sense, and each of them is worth a hundred thousand dollars.

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If you deprive someone of a right, you owe them a hundred grand.

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That's better.

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All right.

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Well, I like this.

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Sure.

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I do.

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I do.

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I'm starting to like this idea.

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I guess you could sell your right then too, like, you know, you could sell your third

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amendment.

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Commodify all things.

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Then, then, uh, soldiers- I've got a fetish for cutting off my own leg.

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I'm going to sell you my rights to keep it.

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Soldiers could be, uh, could force you to put them up for a hundred thousand dollars.

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I think that's fine.

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I'll take that.

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So this came into effect because there was a woman in the area whose husband had died

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and she had Alzheimer's.

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The judge in Ada County had assigned a guardian to take care of her, which DeMott claimed

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was a violation of this woman's due process rights.

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Sure.

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I have no idea how he was connected to this woman and it's entirely possible he had no

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connection to her at all.

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Just found her.

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Yep.

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I have no idea.

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Anyway, DeMott was really mad about this, so he gave notice that he and his group planned

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to arrest the judge, Patricia Flanagan, but this wasn't all.

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He was also demanding that every other official needed to retake their oaths of office with

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the words, so help me God added, or they would risk being arrested by his militia.

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It was important that these words be added because DeMott thinks that not having so help

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me God in there is a loophole that allows these officials to commit perjury without

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it actually being perjury.

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Right.

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So from an article in the Associated Press from 1996, quote, those who receive notices

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will have 10 days to take new oaths of office.

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On September 28th, town criers will read the names of those who have not complied with

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the steps from every county courthouse in Idaho.

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Unreal.

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I honestly, like, there's no way to solve this problem for good, except I have a thought.

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How about we gather all of these people, all right, and if you're a militia person who

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does stuff like this, you just get put under a giant dome, you go to sleep, all of a sudden

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you wake up, you're in a giant dome, real lost scenario, you know, nobody knows what's

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going on, but you're not in jail.

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That's better.

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Right.

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Go live in your little utopia where you can be all like, Oh, we're in the old West, put

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them under a dome.

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I do think, I think a Truman show of like, it's the only way.

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Well, and I think one of the things that would be interesting if you did that almost as like

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a social experiment is that these people would not get along.

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No, they'd all be dead in short, short period.

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If they were not dead, they'd be threatening to arrest each other constantly.

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That would be, it would be a great, like, why not have Sovereign Citizen Island?

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Like why can't we have nice things?

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Well, I think we had the idea for Grifter Island.

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Yeah, exactly.

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At some point.

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We have a lot of islands that we need.

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Well, these people need to be isolated from the rest of humanity.

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That's really the issue that we're dealing with.

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They shouldn't be harmed because they're just people trying to go about their day, but they

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also can't interact with the rest of society because they're going to kill people.

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Well, and if not kill people, just waste everyone's time.

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Just fucking ruin everybody's day all day.

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And terrify people.

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Yeah, all the time.

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So he put out this order that everyone had to retake their oaths of office or they were

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going to get in trouble.

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And then from there, DeMott planned to arrest all the officials who didn't retake their

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oaths and Justice Flanagan.

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She was going down.

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He was going to do this with the help of sheriff's deputies, but if they didn't go along with

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the plan, DeMott said he was going to arrest the sheriff.

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I was going to say, he's already getting the, my marching orders only come by a threat,

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not by any established authority.

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And I love the, like, sheriff is the highest law of the land thing, but also if he doesn't

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go along with me, I'll arrest him.

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Well, we'll just fucking kill him.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Anyway, this guy's a tax protester, sovereign citizen, proponent who tried to create plans

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to take over a county in Idaho in the mid-90s.

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A lot of old school...

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That was just the thing at the time, you know?

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A lot of old school weirdos on this episode.

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I mean, you know, gay people have a fetish for cannibalism, sovereign citizens have a

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fetish for overthrowing elected local governments.

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By way of...

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militia.

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Administrative threats.

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Yes, exactly.

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Yuck.

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Everybody knows this.

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This is just one of those things.

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So in this next clip, Alex is complaining about Patriot shows, other Patriot shows,

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and how they're like knitting circles for Patriots.

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Ugh, I hate them.

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And he doesn't like the drama.

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But I would say that at the end of this clip, Alex gives a piece of advice that he himself

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should have taken.

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Listen to me for just a second there, Frank.

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Almost all the shows are basically sewing circles for people in one particular sliver

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of the Patriot movement.

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And yes, they know what they're talking about, yes, they're as on as anybody can be, yes,

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they're aware of what's going on.

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I wasn't talking about Mr. Stanley when I said that government violence, what I was

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saying was, is that they use things like marches on Washington and things like that to backfire

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against us and they're very dangerous.

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Oh.

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They use things to backfire on us, not we are a bunch of idiots who have bad ideas that

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when they are put into practice, even we are forced to acknowledge they're so fucking stupid.

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Look, you know, they try and get us to take over counties in Idaho.

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They trick us into doing the things that we say are a good idea and then when it turns

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out they're bad ideas, it's probably their fault.

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Probably.

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It's gotta be.

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Yeah, but I think it's interesting that in 2003 Alex had a pretty strong, like, don't

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go to a march on Washington.

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Amazing.

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Just amazing.

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Could have used that insight.

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It's just, you just never, it's never not there, you know?

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Yeah.

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On this episode, he took a lot of calls and I did get the sense that he was getting annoyed

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at them.

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Yeah.

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Um, but it wasn't, it wasn't like there were never any real blow ups, but there were, um,

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you know, the, are you, are you having a feud with another caller?

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Yeah.

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The fuck are you talking about?

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That, that moment then when these people are bringing up these other folks like Gary DeMott

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and Rick Stanley, Alex is kind of being like, hey, don't, don't bring up other people on

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my show.

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I'm a Patriot hero.

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There is a little bit of him being like, God, I wish my callers weren't all so stupid.

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As though, or I wish they weren't promoting other people.

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Sure, sure.

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But I mean like, I wish they were more my, you know, I wish they weren't, they should

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be on my team for my show instead of throwing wrenches in it every time.

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Whatever it is, it's a slight disappointment.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Um, and so Alex addresses that.

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I just, I don't know, it's Friday last segment and I've been, I got a headache today.

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I've been a little grumpy at the callers, I'm sorry.

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I'm just mad at the new world order folks.

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I am.

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I'm kind of like an alligator just snapping in all different directions here because I'm

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so mad at the new world order.

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The anti new world order alligator.

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I'm not going to do, I'm not going to be like, oh, I'm having a bad day or oh, I've hung

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over.

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I'm never going to do that again.

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I'm just going to be like, listen, I'm sorry I snapped at you.

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I'm an alligator.

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I'm just so mad at the new world order.

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I'm like an alligator.

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I'm an alligator.

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I'm snap snapping because of the new world order, man.

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Yeah.

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I think though, like if you hear that, it sounds more genuine.

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It sounds more sincere than his like apologies for outbursts in the present day.

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Like there, there is like, yeah, I believe he has a headache and I, I obviously don't

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think that he's just mad at the new world order and that's why he's being snippy with

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these callers.

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I think, I think he's probably, you know, Hey, we're about to have a weekend.

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Yeah.

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I'm mentally checked out of here.

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I got a headache.

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Right.

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Some of these people are dicks, but I'm going to take the high road and be like, I'm just

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mad at the new world order.

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Sorry guys.

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I don't mean to be an asshole.

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Right.

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That seems like a, like a, like a human thing.

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It's an olive branch.

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You know?

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Hey, yeah, we're all good.

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Yeah.

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Um, so we have one last clip here and it's at the end of the show, Alex, who wants to

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touch back on this, uh, this cannibals thing.

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Sure.

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Well, you gotta.

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And uh, yeah, I think you can kind of get a sense of what's going on here.

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All right.

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So I read about these homosexuals.

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They go down to Mexico to have a leg cut off and then they lovingly slice salami meat off

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of it.

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And, and then the bolognese and have little parties and then rolling stone, which is liberal

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said, my gosh, a third of the game in homosexuals in, uh, San Francisco want AIDS.

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I mean, folks, you talk about destructive lifestyle.

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I'll be arrested as a hate criminal for saying wanting to be killed and eaten is wrong.

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And the liberal groups are saying it's their right to be killed and eaten if they want

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to.

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And we're wrong to it.

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I'm serious.

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Whatever.

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Just, just fine.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I'm wrong.

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I'm an extremist.

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Okay.

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I guess this is wholesome then.

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So this is what I was talking about earlier.

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The strategic aspect of this.

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There's a stupid game that Alex is playing and he knows exactly what he's doing and what

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kind of response he's likely to elicit.

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He's not talking about this case of the German cannibal as it really exists.

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He's using it as a data point to attack the entire population of gay people by applying

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the facts of this one cannibal to the entire community.

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He knows what he's doing and his goal is to malign and dehumanize gay people.

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He knows that people will see through that and he's going to get some criticism for it,

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which he'll just say is people trying to insist that he's a bigot because he doesn't want

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people to eat each other.

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It's a simple sleight of hand trick where he's trying to mask the homophobia that's

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behind his rhetoric with this, this like, Oh, they say I'm such a bigot because I don't

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like cannibals.

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Oh, here I am using one story to denigrate an entire group of people without any connection

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between the two whatsoever.

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And now people are calling me a bigot.

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What's next for the left, huh?

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I do probably, you know, I, I obviously wasn't paying super close attention to things in

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2003 around cannibal news.

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But I would bet that there were at least some people who were saying that like, you do have

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a right to agree to have yourself eaten share.

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But I would guess that a lot of them are libertarians.

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Yeah.

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I was going to, I would say that's a fundamental aspect of self ownership.

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You own yourself.

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You can sell your leg for a hundred thousand dollars for food.

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Uh huh.

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I guess that's fine if you're a libertarian, right?

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I would, I would assume so.

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It's a, it's a, as long as you're not entering into it as a, like being coerced into the

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contract, I don't see why libertarians would have a problem with that.

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If a libertarian can sell his kidney on the black market, then I should be able to sell

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my leg on the black market.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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And if it's for a transplant, why was that any different than someone eating it?

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Totally.

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Like maybe it's a type of eating.

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Maybe it offends your sensibilities.

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Why should your sensibilities rule how the government operates?

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I mean, how do you think a Christian scientist would feel about you taking an organ and putting

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it in somebody else's body?

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That would be very unhappy with it.

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Probably.

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Yeah.

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It's a matter of perspective.

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Indeed.

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So I, I think that there probably were some voices that were like that, but Alex is mischaracterizing

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it as like the entire left is just like, yeah, hooray for eating people.

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But that's because he knows that if people catch on to the game, the homophobic game

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that he's playing, he has that in his back pocket as like a preemptive defense.

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Right.

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So it's, it's, I hesitate to call it smart, but there's a craft to it.

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There's a little bit of a strategy to it.

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It's cunning, not smart.

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It's like what you would describe a rat as having, not intelligence, but base cunning.

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It's a low level of cunning.

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Yes.

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It's just recognizing the likely consequences of the rhetoric that you're disseminating

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and planning in advance to not have to own the consequences.

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Right.

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And it is, it is fun though, to make up stereotypes that are that batshit crazy.

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Like, I mean, as it is offensive and it is bigoted, but at the same time, if there was

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like a Def Jam comic in the nineties who was like, man, you ever notice how gay people

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be eating legs like this and you'd be like, yeah, that's, that's insane, man.

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That's the craziest fucking stereotype I've ever heard.

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That's insane.

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Yeah.

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If I saw it, I wouldn't think that joke was funny.

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No, you'd be like, what is happening?

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I would be intrigued.

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What are you talking about, sir?

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Yeah.

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But for Alex, it's, it's a little bit less intriguing because you know what it's rooted

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in.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's just pure bigotry, but, but for an absurdist.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, we come to the end of this, uh, 2003 episode and, uh, you know, I think that, uh,

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cannibals got a lot of attention.

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They not enough anymore.

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I'd say they, they had their run.

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Deep homophobia running throughout this and the callers are much more interesting, I think,

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in the past than in the present.

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Yeah.

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Um, and that's because I think that a lot of them are like really interested in weird

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fringe militia E communities.

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And so they bring some of that sensibility to Alex's show.

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Whereas now he doesn't take a whole lot of callers.

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Most of them just parrot back to him what he said.

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And then other ones are sometimes it's just a plug for his product.

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And then there's like Carlos from Canada calls in every fucking time Alex takes calls.

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And uh, you know, it's just, it's, it's not, uh, it's not like this.

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Yeah.

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I mean it is, I almost said cute, but I think the word I'm thinking of is quaint.

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Like all of these callers are almost quaint.

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Like look at you with your, this guy, this guy from Denver is, is leading a militia here.

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That's cute.

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You know, it's, it's, you know what it is, even beyond quaintness, it feels like a sustainable

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ecosystem.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It hasn't self selected out for lunatics.

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I mean, even though it's a bigoted show and you know, obviously everything is saying is

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stupid or awful.

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It doesn't feel destined for collapse.

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No, no, it really doesn't.

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There's not, there's not like a feeling of...

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It doesn't feel destined for success either.

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This show kind of feels like if this, if this exact show happened every day with an audience

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of like 200,000 people, it could have gone on forever.

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You know, like this could have just been played out every day for the rest of our lives.

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No one would have really known about it, but him and the 200,000 people and it would have

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been fine.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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But here we are.

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His ambitions.

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What are you going to do?

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Like Icarus's wings flew him too close to the sun.

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If only it weren't a pattern that played out every single fucking day.

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You know what the problem was?

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What?

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He got in bed with Mr. Blood.

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That was the, that was where it all fell apart.

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That's the beginning of the end for him.

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Mr. Blood and Mr. Gold.

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So Jordan, we'll be back on episode on Monday.

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Probably back to the present day, but we'll see if Alex's vacation lasts the rest of the

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week.

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Maybe he's in the forest for good.

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Could be.

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And then the show will become all Owen Schroyer all the time.

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Nope.

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We'll see.

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But until then, we have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed Jordan.

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Yep.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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I'm Dr. Marbles.

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.