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Hello Alex, I'm a victim, calling in with your Japan

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Oh indeed we are Dan

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Jordan

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Dan

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Jordan

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Quick question for you

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Sup

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What's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today, and this is no question

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No question

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No question

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No question

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Kevin the bird from Up

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Didn't see that coming, did you?

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Uh, the, the, Up the movie?

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Yeah

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Did you just watch Up recently?

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No, I just thought of Kevin

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Well there's no question

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So I went on YouTube and I was watching some clips, I'm like god damn it, I love that bird

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That bird is great

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Best character maybe ever in a movie?

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Ever

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Yeah, all the movies

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Ever

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Not just animated movies

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All of them

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Yes

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That includes

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Kevin the bird

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Anything the Brit- I mean

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I would say

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Rick? Nothing? No Casablanca? No nothing?

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I would say that maybe Heihei from Moana comes in

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Okay, well Heihei's great

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Heihei's in the conversation

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But Kevin, Kevin the bird, I would say I would expand this even to literature

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Literature?

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Best character, including literature

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There's something about that bird

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Something about that bird

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Yeah

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Gotta get to him

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Playful

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Yeah

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She's playful

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True

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Yeah

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Just a- a joy

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In fact, a bright spot to everyone

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Yep

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I kid you not, I was watching the videos of little clips from Up

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And I got a big smile on my face

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Love that bird

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That's great

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Love that bird

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That's great

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That's how my dad feels about the minions

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Yeah, they're cute

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Yeah

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Yeah

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Anyway, what's your bright spot?

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My bright spot, Dan, is I bought a knife

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So we were- it's a kitchen knife

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Little threatening

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It's a kitchen knife

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We had lunch one day and I was walking back and there was this little boutique store that had a

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like cooking- a cooking tray in it, what are the ovens things?

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Right

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I know what you're talking about

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Yeah, so I went in to take a look at it and immediately realized I didn't want it

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But there was only the guy who ran the store in there

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And so I- he came over immediately and I felt this pressure that I could not leave without buying something

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Yeah, that's always tough

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Right, so I bought this Japanese knife

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A ginsu?

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It is so sharp

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Yeah

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It is so sharp

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Yeah, it is so sharp. I told you that I chopped a chunk of my finger off, you can see

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Oh, that's not as big as I thought

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It's not a huge chunk, but it's-

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You had a giant band-aid on your hand that made me think like you might have lost an inch or something

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It was a gusher

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Oh, I'm sure

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Yeah, yeah, it bled everywhere, that's why I had to have the giant band-aid

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Otherwise it would have- it would have- it was either that or like supermax tampons

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That's the level we were talking about

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My impression of what it was based on how you described it, I was like,

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I don't know, maybe part of the nail is gone

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Maybe you lost the whole thing

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Yeah, yeah, but that's good that it's not

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Yeah, it's not huge, but it is- that is sharp

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It's not thumb shape altering

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No, no

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That's how I would put it

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It'll grow back, most of it

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Yeah, it's a good knife though, right?

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It's a great knife

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Yeah, too good

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Chops things- oh, it's so smooth, I was chopping some stuff and it's just like-

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You know what you should do?

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Chopping up broccoli

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I was chopping up broccoli, I chopped up some bok choy

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Okay

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Some potatoes, did it all, man

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That's great, I'm happy for you

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It's a good knife

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So Jordan, today we're gonna be in the past, we're gonna be talking about July 2nd and 3rd, 2003

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Where we continue to track Alex's incredibly homophobic period of his show

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Yeah, yeah

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There's a lot going on on that front

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Yeah

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So much that on our last episode from 2003, a caller called him out on it

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It's very weird to hate Harry Potter and the LGBTQ community at the same time, right?

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You have to, like, you know

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Well, in the present day maybe

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Yes

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In 2003 it might have been easier

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But we'll get down to business on this episode, but before we do

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Let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks

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Oh, that's a great idea

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So first, Comfrey Sucks, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Thank you, next, Demon Feast is the new monster mash, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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The Demon Feast

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Next, Need More Knowledge Fight Crossovers, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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We're open

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Next, Lauren, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks, Lauren

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Instead of saying hello or thank you to this next person

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I'm gonna say whoop whoop to Shaggy 2 Dope, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Whoop whoop indeed

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Next, Rusty, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you, Rusty

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And finally, we got a technocrat in the mix, so thank you so much

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And hello to Kirk, you are now a technocrat

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I'm a policy wonk

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Crikey, mate, that's fantastic, have yourself a brew

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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All right, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business

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We ain't making that money off that heroin

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Why you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large

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I declare info war on you

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All right

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Yes, sir

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So, Jordan, we are here in the past

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How do you feel being in the past?

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I feel like maybe it's actually Shaggy 2 Dope who gave us like, you know, 50 cents or whatever

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And it's very funny to me

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What if it's the real...

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I hope it is

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I hope so, too

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How fun would that be?

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I have some respect for the Juggalos

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Yeah, that'd be great

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Not enough to get a hatchet man tattoo

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But enough to think very seriously about going to the gathering

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Oh yeah, we'll be there

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We'll be there someday

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One day, one sweet day

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Anyways

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Not performing, we will not do a live podcast

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No, no, no, no, no, absolutely not

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I don't know what I feel about being in the past

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I don't like how much more homophobic things are

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Yeah, it's a little blunt

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Really explicit

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Yeah, especially during this like little period

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Yeah

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It hasn't been like consistently right in your face throughout some of this 2003 period

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Like into June

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But I don't know what's going on now

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He's just in a mood

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I mean, it doesn't get quite as much blood libel as the gays are stealing your children

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You know, like that's pretty intense

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Well, they're stealing them to raise them as their own, not to drink their blood

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Well, yes, it's a little better, I guess

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So anyway, Jordan, here's an out of context drop from today's show

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It is a world so nightmarish, it is Hades on Earth

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Thanks for the call

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You have a great day

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You too

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It is Hades on Earth

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You have a great day

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You too

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You too

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It doesn't get much more obvious how serious your show is

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I love the juxtaposition of that

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That's so good

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That is, that is so beautiful

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That collar sounds so sweet

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You have a nice day

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You have a nice day

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You too, sir

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Look, just because it's Hades doesn't mean we can't be polite

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Yeah

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Okay

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Yep

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So Alex is concerned at the beginning of this July 2nd episode about Tom Ridge, the Homeland

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Security Secretary, and he makes a little bit of a prediction of what's to come and

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He's going to be president?

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No, but I don't think that Alex's prediction has come to pass

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Okay

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And I've got Ridge on tape, on C-SPAN, the head of Homeland Security saying we're going to have

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four levels of security clearance to have everyday jobs

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You're going to have to have a card to have a job and won't be able to go certain places

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And if you've got bad credit or ever even had a misdemeanor conviction, you'll have

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nighttime perfuse, but that's okay for the good citizens

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They'll have their card until they don't pay their taxes properly or something

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Folks, I'm not, this is so horrible

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This is right out of the running man

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I mean, it makes me want to start just giggling insanely

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I mean, it's just, this is so over the top, this is so evil

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Yeah

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So we

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I mean, he's right

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What?

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It is so over the top

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Oh, it is over the top

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It's way over the top

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So yeah, we don't have four layers of security clearance to have jobs

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No

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It's not curfews

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True

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I guess there have been sort of circumstantial curfews, like when there were protests

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Right

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There were, there were curfews enacted and, you know, for the beginning of COVID when

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things were surging, there was, businesses closed earlier

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Hey, I mean, at the coupon shit place that I worked at, I had a key fob to get in

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That's a level of security clearance

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That's not what he's talking about

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No, it's

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So yeah, this is one of the predictions that Alex is gonna conveniently forget that he was pushing

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He's right about everything, Dan

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Right

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Of the things that he remembers and misrepresents

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Yes

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He's 100%

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100% accurate

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One thing he's also pretty good at is faking being emotional

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And he does a bit of that at the, at the beginning of this, this show

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And it's just, it's tacky

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But according to the neocons, there's no Patriot Act 2

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Patriot Act 1 didn't take your rights, the lying liberals

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No, the lying liberals, Chuckie Schumers, Hillary Clinton's, Dianne Feinstein's, Barbara Boxer's

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They all voted and it helped author the Senate version

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How dare you claim you're fighting them when you're with them

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You make me sick, you gun grabbing, missile trading, supercomputer handing over

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neocon liar trash, open border remoting

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You're destroying this country

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I am so sick of you, you lying

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Oh, man, I am sick of these neocons

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I am getting madder and madder at these people

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They are conning and manipulating the backbone

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The bedrock conservative Christian America

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You have been so conned

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I am so sick of Sean Hannity and all these liars

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Man, I tell you what, I am really

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Oh, oh, you're not upset about what's happening

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These traitors tell you none of this is happening as it's being set up

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These traitors are the ultimate liberals

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We'll be right back

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You have a great day

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Didn't he just have a fake ragegasm at us?

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Yeah, I think so

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Especially with that sort of refractory period that we ended up in

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Oh, yeah

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Yeah, that was a good performance

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Very false

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Mm-hmm

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But you get that sense of like,

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ah, this is where the real opposition to people like George W. Bush comes from

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He thinks that they are liberals, they're secret liberals

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He's not above the two

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No, he's far, far to the right of it

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It's conservative Christians only

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Yes

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Everything else is to destroy conservative Christians

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Right

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Because I'm above the two party system

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I'm above the left-right paradigm as much as I have broken it by going so far to the right

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and disproving horseshoe theory, by the way

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Yeah, cool

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Glad a lot of people fell for that

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So Alex has a news story that he is drastically misreporting on this episode

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Here we go

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Talking about the culture of death, half of Swiss deaths dubbed suicide

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Half of Swiss deaths dubbed suicide

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Half of their deaths and it's assisted suicide

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So the Swiss have got it right when it comes to having a low crime rate

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because their whole population is armed

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But they're also socialistic and the government is killing the people

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And in many cases, even when they don't want the euthanasia

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It's now happening in this country as well as Wesley Smith

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at the Wall Street Journal has documented

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This is weird

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Point of order

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Yeah

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Point of order

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I'm listening

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Super point of order

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Listening

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You cannot both have an entirely armed population

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and still tell me that the government is just murdering them

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Yeah, that seems like it should be the thing that protects people

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It disproves your entire fucking argument

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Right

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And if it were true, which it's not

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Exactly

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That half of the deaths in Switzerland are suicide

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Yeah

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Then you'd have to call into question

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All of them are armed

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Is that leading to a higher rate of suicide?

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You would have to ask a lot of questions that he is specifically glossing over

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But I mean, he's just misreporting this story

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Sure

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From the coverage that you're hearing here

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You would think that the news story that he's talking about

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says half of the deaths in Switzerland are the result of suicide

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Or as he clarifies, assisted suicides

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which people may or may not want

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Sure

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If that were true, that would be a staggering statistic

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It'd be huge

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But it's not

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Okay

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The reality of this story is that there was a University of Zurich study

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that was conducted on Swiss attitudes towards euthanasia

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The report reflected that there was a widespread permissive stance in the country

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that the practice has generally, as long as it's done with an altruistic motive

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Right

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Also, a February 2003 article in the British medical journal found these numbers

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Quote

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According to the president of one of the Swiss right-to-die societies

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Around 1,800 requests for assisted suicide are made each year

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Two-thirds are rejected after screening

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Half of the remaining people die of other causes

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Leaving about 300 suicides assisted by these societies annually

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Get the fuck out

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This constitutes around 0.45% of the deaths in Switzerland

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Get the fuck out! God damn them!

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Yeah

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So a June 2003 survey written up in The Lancet

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sought to find some data on the assisted suicide rates

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in the countries of Belgium, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Switzerland

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This found 1% or less rates in Denmark, Italy, Sweden, and Switzerland

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The data from Belgium and the Netherlands is a little more complicated

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and it's not really relevant to our discussion here

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so I'm not even going to get into it

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Anyway, the point here is that multiple studies that come out around this time

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that very, each of them very clearly put the rate of assisted suicide in Switzerland

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at under 1% or even less than half a percent

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So where's Alex getting that number from?

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You heard one thing and that's possibility, what you were responding to

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I think it's also possible that he just didn't read the article that he's covering

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and he just skimmed this part

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The study examined 3350 deaths in German-speaking Switzerland

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and found that half of them involved some form of euthanasia

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So there's that, there's half of these deaths in German-speaking Scandinavia

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and if you were just, I'm sorry, German-speaking Switzerland

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If you just read that, you might get an idea of it

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but this was specifically a subset of terminally ill patients in German-speaking Switzerland

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that the study was considering

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so it's naturally a population where you'd expect the rate to be higher

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and it isn't indicative of all the deaths in Switzerland

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Yeah

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This is just outlandishly sloppy work on Alex's part

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and serves as yet another example of why people who listen to him

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and think they're getting any kind of real information

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or the things that they're saying it's based on an ounce of study

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you're all being scammed

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If you believe these things that Alex is getting into, you're a fool

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Yeah, I mean, come on, man

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Harold and Maude came out 30 years before this shit right here

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We should all be fine with somebody with terminal illness just going, fuck off

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I think it's a tough issue for some, especially like the discussion of it

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Sure, yeah, I don't know why you wouldn't let someone who's terminally ill

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not be forced to be in pain

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No, suffer because God says so for another eight months

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It's a tough line for me to think makes sense

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So Alex gets some calls and oh my god, what? More homophobia?

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Hey, I wanted to give you more bad news about Walmart

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Have you heard the story that came out today on Walmart about the gay right?

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Yes, I did

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Yeah, I just thought it was very interesting in that they were saying here

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their vice president for communications, Mona Williams, told the Times

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that the most important factor was a letter to senior management from several gay employees

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Apparently there was a gay right, what was the name of this, let's see here

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The Pride Foundation, a Seattle gay rights organization

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they invested in Walmart to get this policy changed

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and they were saying here that basically that this Mona Williams was saying

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we want all of our associates to feel they are valued and treated with respect

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No, let me just stop you

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Disgusting

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Why should anybody be talking about sex period at their job?

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Well, I'm going to tell you something

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I used to work for Walmart, okay, and I was fired from Walmart

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Are you ready for the reason that I was fired from Walmart?

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Why was that, Bill?

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Because a customer said that she didn't like the way I looked at her

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I'm absolutely certain that's not what that guy got fired for

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Oh boy, oh boy

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If a man says it's because a woman didn't like the way I looked at her

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I think there's probably more to the story

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The write-up is going to be more detailed

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Yeah, and guess what? According to Alex and this guy's presumed political beliefs

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he should have no problem with the company firing him for any reason

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Employment is an aggressively voluntary agreement for Alex and his audience

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Freedom of association and all that

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Of course

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He shouldn't be complaining

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Anyway, this is a story about Walmart releasing a statement

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that they would expand their non-discrimination rules to include gay and lesbian employees

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This was hot on the heels of the Supreme Court decision Lawrence v. Texas

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which found that having criminal sodomy laws is unconstitutional

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Tough to believe that that's where things were in 2003

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Walmart still was very clear that they weren't going to extend benefits to same-sex couples

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but this decision that they made was still pretty impactful

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Now, if you were fired because you were gay

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or you were bullied by co-workers for your sexual orientation

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you had some recourse within the company

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The New York Times article about this is remarkable

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as it points out that this made it so 9 of the 10 largest Fortune 500 companies

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had implemented rules against sexual orientation discrimination

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The only one that didn't was ExxonMobil

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and even more remarkable, after Exxon acquired Mobil in 1999

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they quote, revoked a Mobil policy that provided medical benefits to partners of gay employees

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as well as a policy that included sexual orientation as a category of prohibited discrimination

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They actively got rid of those rules

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ExxonMobil

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We're actually evil

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Yeah

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Anyway, I'm noticing this real strong homophobia on Alex's part here in 2003

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which is troubling

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Yeah, it's gross

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It's so gross

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Stop it

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It's gross

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And also, you fucking...

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This all happened 20 years ago

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and now it's just being transposed onto trans people

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Sure

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Like, it's just...

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It's the same shit

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But I think you're absolutely right that a lot of that attention is just being repackaged

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in that direction

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Yeah

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But I also think that some of it is just playing the exact same song over and over again

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Like for instance, we recently had a bunch of people trying to do straight rights parades

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Sure

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You know

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Yeah

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Hooray

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Yeah, and listen to this

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Yeah, I just think it's quite interesting though that they're gonna give all these extra rights

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to the gays, but what about the heterosexuals?

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What about heterosexual rights?

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Well, there's no such thing and you know that

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The stated plan of UNESCO that Bush has signed on to is to destroy the family unit

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It is called the Disease to End the Family

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Public statement, the manual put out by UNESCO for its diplomats

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Yeah, well, just to put in a plug for the competition on this

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Let's all shop at Target or somewhere else

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You know what I'm saying?

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Woof, I do, I do know what you're saying

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Oh, why isn't there an International Men's Day, Dan?

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Sure, yeah

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So here's the thing that always gets me about these bigoted shitheads

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I can't handle when they say things like what about straight rights

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or complain that gay people are getting extra rights

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when anti-discrimination rules are put in place

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They're so privileged and disconnected from the actual reality of oppression

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that they don't even realize that any discrimination laws that protect gay people

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protect straight people too

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If a company doesn't hire you because you're gay, they've violated anti-discrimination laws

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And if they specifically don't hire you because you're straight

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they violated the exact same anti-discrimination law

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Oh

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These rules are often looked at as being extra rights for gay or lesbian employees

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but it's a broader idea of non-discrimination applied equally for all

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Folks like this caller just don't understand or care about that because he's a giant homophobe

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and because the very idea of people not getting a job or being harassed by co-workers

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for being straight is unimaginable to him

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And so it's not even a reality in his world

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Yeah

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I mean it's so simple to be like okay let's look at this anti-discrimination policy

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Does it protect me as well?

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Oh it protects everybody

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So let's say there was a situation where I become the minority

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This protects me from the majority

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It's very simple

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It's so simple

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But that idea of eventually I will be the one without power

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Yeah

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It's unreal today

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And it's just such a bizarre misinterpretation of things to be like

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this is specifically to make it so you can't make fun of gay people at work anymore

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When in reality it's adding sexual orientation

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as a class of things that you can't discriminate against

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Right

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And you know the same things that protect people of ethnic minorities

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also protect white people from discrimination

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It's the same thing

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It's discrimination

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Such nonsense

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Anyway John Benet Ramsey died a while back

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Good for him

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She hurt?

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Oh sorry, sorry wasn't even paying attention

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So this caller has an interesting theory about that

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They're killing children and that brings up another point that not many people know

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and I just found out recently also is that another name for Satan in the occult is John Bay

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Hey, take a look at John Benet Ramsey

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You know, there's something there

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I believe she was a child sacrifice

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No one's ever been brought to justice for that either

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We all got covered up

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Right out in plain view, thanks for the call

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All right, thanks

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That is how every comedian writes a joke

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There's something there?

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Hey okay, John Benet, that's the devil

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John Benet, I think there's something there

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Is there something there?

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I think I could hammer out a minute out of that

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I think I could hammer a tag at least

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It's a cliche thing the comedians say

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Like, is that something?

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Is that something?

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Yeah

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But that's the kind of association that is required to create a very compelling theory

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in the world of Alex and his very not thoughtful listeners

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That sounds like something

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Is there something there?

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So Alex has another big story that he's promoting on this day

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First, half of the people who die in Switzerland are assisted suicides

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Which is not true

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And the other one is that women are becoming more pro-life

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They're turning against abortion

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Sure

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And this is just sort of a warning

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This is a gross clip

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The balance between pro-choice women and women who say abortion should be outlawed

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Or severely restricted is shifting towards the pro-life side

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Bumping that group into the majority in the debate

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Over reproductive rights according to a new national poll

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51% of women surveyed by the Center for the Advancement of Women

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Said the government should prohibit abortion

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Are limited to extreme cases such as rape, incest, or life-threatening complications

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So if somebody rapes you, you want to kill the child

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That's real good

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And then an even bigger crime

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Wow, that's some barbaric shit Alex is on here

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I mean, I honestly don't think that I've ever heard him get into the specifics of his anti-abortion belief

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So I was actually a little surprised that he would have that hard of a stance

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And that he would express that publicly

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That even in cases of rape, people should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term

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That's wild

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I mean, it's just nuts

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And if somebody can't understand why, explaining it isn't going to help

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So we'll move along

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I mean, that's the type of shit

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When you read stories where it's like that happens and then they get visitation rights

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The rapist gets visitation rights to the kid is like

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I mean, just fucking unconscionable

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I think that's horrifying and that's low on the scale of the abuses that are implicit

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No, I understand, I understand

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Also, it took me forever to track down the article he's reading

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But I finally did and it's from the Washington Times

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Covering a survey conducted by the Center for the Advancement of Women

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The survey found that 51% of women surveyed

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Quote, say abortion should be outlawed or severely restricted

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They're shifting toward the pro-life side

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Bumping that group into the majority in the debate over reproductive rights

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There's no link to this survey and I can't find it

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So I really can't discuss too many of the specifics

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But the article does say that there's a 3% margin of error

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So who knows if this is actually representative of a majority

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Either way, this is supposed to be up from 45% on that side in 2001

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So even if I'm being a little iffy on the specifics

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Because I don't have access to them

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It does seem to show a trend of lowering support for abortion access

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Sure

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It does appear that this trend has turned around

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As a Pew Research study in May 2021 found that 59% of respondents

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Said that abortion should be quote, legal in all or most cases

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Just in time for it to be illegalized

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The numbers look even worse for Alex if you just include women

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Because 62% of people who were women who were surveyed

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Said abortion should be legal in all or most cases

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Of course

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If you look at Gallup's data on abortion attitudes

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It doesn't quite track with the results of this survey

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Because they have historical data that goes far back on that question

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Sure, sure, sure

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Based on the data I can find

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I'm gonna guess that this survey that's being reported on in the Washington Times

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Is an outlier in the data

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Or possibly the results came from a poorly worded question

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Or options that people could choose

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Right, right, right

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But either way the public opinion was fairly pro-abortion access

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At the most of recent history

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Including in 2003

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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I don't think that this is reflective of a tide turning

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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Rasmussen says Trump is up 40 points this year

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Isn't that crazy?

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That is interesting

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It's crazy

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So Alex is, you know, he's talking about this assisted suicide thing

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So of course Kevorkian's gonna come up

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Sure

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I'm gonna need a citation on this

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Okay

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Oh, and by the way, Kevorkian lost his medical license for doing things with corpses

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I can't mention on the air

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He lost it in two separate states by the way

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Caught in dark rooms with dead bodies

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He is a ghoul

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So don't tell me it's about somebody's rights

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This isn't about you being allowed to kill yourself

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Which is bad enough

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This is about killing you

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No

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The implication here is that Dr. Kevorkian was fucking dead bodies

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And that's why he lost his medical license

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I can find no evidence

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You can't find any evidence that he lost his medical license

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Because he fucked dead bodies?

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Nope

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Kevorkian was licensed to practice in Michigan and California

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And his license in Michigan was suspended in 1991

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The Michigan Board of Medicine made this decision

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Because they tried to file charges against him for assisting in suicides

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But it turned out that there was actually no law against that in Michigan at the time

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So the board claimed it had quote

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Acted under a state law that gives it the power to withdraw the license of any doctor

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Who acts in a negligent or incompetent manner

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Or who administers drugs for other than lawful diagnostic or therapeutic purposes

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Some of Kevorkian's patients had lethal medication administered to them

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And because of that the board claimed the authority to take his license

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Of course

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He lost his license in California in 1993

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And this only happened because one of his patients was from California

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He didn't actually apparently ever go to California

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And so

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I mean he did prior to going to Michigan

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Right, right

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But his lawyers said that he hadn't even been there in years

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Yeah, Alex can say lurid shit like this all he wants

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But he can't prove any of this and it's just disgusting

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Yeah, it did

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This is a family show

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It did seem like Kevorkian had at the very least the idea that there was an altruistic motive

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Behind his actions

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I have seen a documentary or two

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At no point in time did they mention him fucking dead bodies?

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Man, I tried so many search term combinations

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Trying to find at least even

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Kevorkian necrophilia

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Even like a conspiracy blog that could have something that would give me a foothold

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Right

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In order to find like, oh, this is what's being talked about

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I couldn't even find anything

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No

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Anyway, Alex has an exciting guest coming up

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And in the third hour, I'm making Mike come on, Mike Hanson

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The third hour, 30 minutes into the third hour, Mike's coming on

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He apprehended the three thugs, one of them ran off

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But he apprehended them trying to rob him

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He got his gun and stopped him in his underwear

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Yep, so Mike Hanson's coming back to tell the same story

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Great story

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We gotta get him back on

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We gotta get him back

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Imagine if Carson had the same person on the same week

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And make no mistake, he tells the exact same story

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Exact same story

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Oh, yeah

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Oh, boy

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Oh, yeah

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Well, at least it's true then, I guess

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You'd think

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I'm willing to believe it's true

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Yeah, why not?

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Yeah, so Alex gets a call here towards the end of the show after Mike's interview

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And this caller wants a particular audio piece that Alex has played in the past

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Which is a Jello Biafra spoken word thing

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And this exchange is so fucking funny

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How it ends is the best

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I'll play it a couple times next week or something

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Or maybe tomorrow

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Well, I appreciate it

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I gotta be honest with you

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I got the CD right here

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Yep

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And I've been playing this for about eight years

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Yep

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And the CD is scratched and messed up

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I don't care about that

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Well, hold on

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Well, I'm not going to air a CD that skips on air

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Oh, okay

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But let me finish

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I've had this thing, I don't know, seven, eight years

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The CD, I spilt coffee on the table

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Got on a bunch of CDs

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When I cleaned them, they all worked, but this one

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The CD is now shot

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And so I have to go out and find it and buy it again

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Now, if somebody wants to go out and buy the CD for me and mail it to me

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They'll say I'll air it in the next few days

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I'll never get time to go to the, uh, to go to the, uh, record store or the CD store or the music store

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And, uh, even if I did, they probably won't have it

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So if people want to hear it, how about somebody overnights it to me and then you'll hear it?

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Well, if I could find it somewhere

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A lot of people have got it, you know, as I'm just saying, I, the CD's messed up

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That's why I haven't been airing it

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Okay, well, that's no big deal

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How you doing? Everything going okay?

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Oh, yeah, I'm, uh, I'm doing all right

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I just, uh, I just

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It's like, it's like the caller's worried about it

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Yeah, yeah, hey man, you doing all right?

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It's like a friend checking in

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You got a lot of this CD stuff going on right now

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It feels like a big mess

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Like, that's not, it's, it's deep into the cold

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It's not like this is an open, opening pleasantries

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It's kind of like

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Hey buddy, how you doing?

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Hey, you all right?

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Yeah, you doing okay?

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I like that

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I think that, like, his callers at this point in history are split down the middle of horrifying

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monsters and homophobes and people who have, like, real pleasant conversation

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They do seem nice

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Yeah

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They do seem absurdly nice

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How you doing, man?

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Hey, hey, listen

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You doing all right?

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I want to hear that song

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How you doing?

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You doing all right?

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So, uh, we get to the third, uh, July 3rd

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Okay

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Day before July 4th, very exciting

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Right, right, right, right

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Alex is singing a song that we can tell, uh, he sings a lot in the present

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There is so much, folks, I've got a stack of at least 80 articles, I counted them up

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82 articles, how do I cover them all?

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How do I cover this?

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This is unbelievable, it's 10 times worse than 1984, I can't believe this

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And Patriot Act's got secret arrests, secret executions for any misdemeanor?

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I mean, just unbelievable

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So I think, first of all, the emotions are fake

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Unbelievable

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Uh, but it's so, so interesting to see he's been just overworked for his entire career

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There's just been too much to cover

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It's never been, there's never been a single day where he's like, listen

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Against all odds, today is kind of a light show

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Yeah

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I've only got a couple of stacks here, I think I'm gonna talk to that guy

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He asked me how I was doing earlier

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Casual Friday

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Yeah

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Let your hair down, let's do this

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Listen, hey, you know what, let's have a fun story today

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Sure

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Never

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So we get to some of the news and, uh, some more fake emotions

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And then a real troubling, uh, point

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Folks, it's happening, it's the exact thing with added templates overlaid with high technology

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It is unbelievable

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Oh, I mean, I just, oh man

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And then they've got this, uh, Talibis fighters, if I'm pronouncing that right,

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Accused of lawlessness, elements of Ahmed Chabai's Pentagon-backed army have been

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Accused of, by American troops of lawlessness

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So that's the American troops, London Telegraph

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It's also MSNBC, oninfullwars.com

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Elements of Ahmed Karzai's, they got all these different ways to pronounce his name

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I've heard of Ahmad Karzai of Chilibi

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They've got all these different ways

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Have been accused by American troops of lawlessness

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Now he was convicted for $300 million of bank theft, okay?

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So it's really embarrassing that Alex doesn't seem to know the difference between, uh,

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Hamid Karzai and Ahmed Chilibi

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There's a big difference

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They are very different people

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Not just different pronunciations of the same name

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Hamid Karzai was the president of Afghanistan from 2000 to 2014

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Conversely, Ahmed Chilibi was a Iraqi politician who would go on to become the president of the

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Governing Council of Iraq in September 2003, is the founder of the Iraqi National Congress

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political party

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The headline that Alex is reading is about Ahmad Chilibi, who played a large role in the lead-up

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to the Iraq war, and then fairly quickly was found out to be a bit of a con man

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Yeah

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Through relationships he cultivated with a group of Republican politicians over the years,

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from the first Iraq war onward, his political party, the INC, was the recipient of over $100

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million from our government

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Much of the bad intelligence that was used to convince the public that a war in Iraq

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was necessary, like the ideas of mass, uh, weapons of mass destruction and Saddam's connections

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to terrorism, came from people associated with Shilabi and the INC

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Yeah, what, Ice Pick or whatever that fucking name was

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By 2004, he'd fallen out of grace with U.S. intelligence services who had strong suspicions

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that he was sharing closely held information with Iran

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The CIA had actually voiced misgivings about him and his information all along, and, uh,

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suspicious connections to Iran, but folks like Dick Cheney didn't care

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We want to start a war!

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None of this is to say that the war going to Iraq was all because of Shilabi

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Most of the members of Bush's cabinet were more than willing to accept whatever rationale

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was put in front of them to get rid of Saddam, and probably would have found someone else

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saying what they wanted to hear had Shilabi not filled that role

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All this being said, it's really fucked up that Alex doesn't seem to know that Karzai

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and Shilabi are two different people

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Like, he's presenting himself as the only person who can decode the secret messages

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behind the news that the man won't tell you, and it's clear that he doesn't even know

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elementary details about the topics he's discussing

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If I were Steve Pechenik, I can definitely see how Alex would be a perfect mark

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Like, exactly the sort of person that you'd be like, I can use this guy

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Easy

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Yeah, and another thing that I was thinking about, two things

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One, um, I'm really curious where Steve is at

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In this time period

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Yeah, because I know that Alex interviewed him for the first time in 2002

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And so I know that they are aware of each other and have talked

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But he's not been on in the time that I've listened yet

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I'm eagerly awaiting that first time Steve pops up

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He's a comet, he's not in the solar system yet

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It doesn't appear that, yeah, it doesn't appear that he's in regular rotation

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Right

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And then the second thing that I've been thinking about is like, this guy isn't a star, Alex

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You know, to use more celestial terms, like he's not in 2003

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Oh, do you mean this Alex is not a star?

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Yeah

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Okay

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He doesn't have, like he's got these skills that are just intrinsic, definitely

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Yeah

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But he doesn't have the sort of showmanship that he does later on

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Right

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I can see why he wasn't famous

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Yeah

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He wasn't like super famous

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It wasn't 9-11 that necessarily rocketed him, he's kind of boring

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It is interesting to see him in what you would consider kind of that infancy of his progression

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Yeah

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But that, they have all these different ways of pronouncing their names

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Yeah

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That idea of like, no no no, I didn't fuck up

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It's that this human being has been like, hey, I'm gonna trick people with a bunch of different ways to pronounce my name

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Yeah

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Bananas

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And not only that, like the trying to cover up that you fucked up

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Exactly

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It actually reveals a much larger unawareness or ignorance

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Oh, man

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Yeah

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So Alex has a guest, other than Mike Hansen, who told the same story again

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Did he win this time?

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Yes

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Oh, the, no, no, no, the race, no

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Damn

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He won in terms of the standoff with the Roberts

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So Alex has another guest, it's a guy named Red Beckman

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Okay

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We've talked about him in the past, he is a weirdo who doesn't believe people should pay taxes

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He also is on here because he has an interesting theory about juries

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And how if you're on a jury and you don't agree with the law

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Even if you think the person's guilty, you should just vote them not guilty

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Jury nullification of laws, essentially, is the push that Red Beckman's got

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Yeah, yeah, I can't imagine somebody from Texas thinking that

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Certainly

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So Red's got an interesting take on freedom of religion in the First Amendment

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I think I disagree with him

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They told us that we have free speech, that you can criticize the government

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We have free press so that the press can criticize the government without the government

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lashing out at the press

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Now the same thing, the same purpose, you see, was the freedom of religion

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The minister was to be able to stand up in his pulpit

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And condemn government and public servants if they were operating outside of the law

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They have changed that completely until now

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It's the freedom of the Muslims, the freedom of the Buddhists, the freedom of everybody else

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And they're just absolutely running roughshod over the principles of the First Amendment

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So I would guess that Red Beckman would have a slightly different position

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If the conversation were about an imam telling their mosque who to vote for or who to vote against

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That's just a prediction that I have

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No, no, no, I think he's very consistent across all religious ideologies

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Pastors can do exactly what Red wants them to do

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And they can be as political as they want, they just have to pay their taxes then

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Advocating for or against specific politicians or policies is a violation of their tax-exempt status

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There's no law against preachers doing targeted political organizing

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They just have to pay taxes if they do

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Right

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Red wants to be able to use churches as political organizing entities because of course he does

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Right

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The political project these folks are engaged in, even in 2003,

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is attempting to lead a Christian nationalist state

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One path toward that is associating voting a certain way with following your religion

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Which is what Red would like people to be forced into

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep

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Cool

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That, that is, that is so funny

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Did they rewrite the First Amendment?

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Yeah

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I mean, how could you-

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Wait, who?

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He said, but they changed it

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Like the First Amendment was supposed to be this, but they changed it

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Did they rewrite it?

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Well, the interpretation of it is no longer that the freedom of religion is about,

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like originally the interpretation that the founders wanted

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Right

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Is that the religious leaders can lead campaigns against politicians

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That's what it was protecting

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Yeah, but see they could have written that one in there

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Could have

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Yeah, I think he's just talking about like the interpretation of it has changed to include

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like the separation of church and state being a thing

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Right, right, right, but it's very clear

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It's very clear

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It's the government shall make no law restricting

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Yeah

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And it says religion

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Right

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It doesn't say Christianity

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And-

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So you lose

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Well there's that

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And then second it doesn't say like the government shall not stop religious leaders from talking shit

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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And then-

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No shit talk

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Yeah

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Come on buddy

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So Alex gets a call while Red Beckman is on

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Red stays through most of the show and they take calls together and this caller believes

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that his phone is being tapped because he can hear noises on the phone

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Interesting

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And he is pretty insistent about this and here's what Alex has to say

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Hank was called into a talk show and when he was online, not this show, he's another show

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and he heard buttons being pushed and somebody breathing

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Well that's the call screener or the other caller, sometimes they'll air two calls

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Uh, this happens a lot, okay?

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I had another instance on that same thing

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Sir, what I'm telling you is they do not physically, physically-

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Yeah, I get you

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Have the personnel

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Must be local

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You've got echelon with say 50,000 employees at the NSA, most of them are on fire and

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desk watch and they got a few thousand domestically maximum, they can't listen to all of us or

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ever do anything with the material, they're announcing they're surveilling us as a chilling

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effect, it also violates the fourth amendment but it's also as a chilling effect

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Red, would you like to comment on this to Hank?

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Well, you know, I always said that I would hope that they had my phone tapped because

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it's probably the best source of truth that they're going to find

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To hear all the horror stories, the abuse, the evil

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And it gives me a chance, if they're listening, it gives me a chance to talk to somebody else

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and explain to somebody else what's going on

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And to tell them to have some humanity and not sell out their country for 20 pieces of

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silver

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Right

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So this is fascinating, like generally nowadays whenever one of Alex's listeners calls in

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with a stupid paranoid theory, Alex does absolutely nothing to reassure them that they're fine

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and it's not happening, he actively encourages their paranoia and lends credibility to their

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fears, here in 2003 though this caller Hank is worried that the man is listening in on

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his phone calls but instead of saying that that's probably true, Alex argues with him

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about how it's not happening and it's probably not possible anyway

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It's also interesting to me to hear that Alex, you know, he's articulating this view about

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government surveillance programs, he doesn't actually think that there's a widespread spying

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going on, the government's just revealing that they have spying capabilities in order

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to scare patriots into thinking that their calls could be listened to at any point so

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there's a chilling effect

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For many of his other comments, particularly more recent ones, I don't think that this

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is a position that he's consistent on at all

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Also, as the story goes, Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver so either Alex got

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that very well-known biblical detail wrong or the hypothetical feds that are listening

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in to Red Beckman's phone or working at a cut rate, one of the two

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I do like that, you know, because that's an evolution of that, you know, oh I don't mind

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if they listen to my calls, I've either got nothing to say or they're gonna hear some

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gross stuff, hahaha, that kind of thing, this is elevating it to, I hope they're listening

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to my calls so I can get the truth out to the NSA

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I can teach them a little lesson

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Can you imagine surveilling somebody and then eventually being like, you know what, they're

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right about everything

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That's legit what these dudes think is going on

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And I think that they have come to the conclusion that it's not smart to put people on because

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when they listen to these conversations, they're getting an education and they, all they have

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to do is look around them and see what's going on and they know that we're telling the truth

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Yeah man, the feds have realized that it's now a good idea to put people on monitoring

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the Patriots phones because they just like, oh shit, these guys are right

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That's, that is a perfect encapsulation of the shot chaser meme where I go, it would

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be crazy to think this, next clip, I think this, okay, alright, fine, fucking fine

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Yep, so Alex is a guy who famously has the documents, sort of a catchphrase and a joke

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because he doesn't

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Yes

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So oftentimes he doesn't provide these documents and this next clip is actually an interesting

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instance where he's offering to give the audience a document

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Sure

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Now, mic down for this because there's a little bit of a catch

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So if you want this report and the AP article to get out to your friends and family, we've

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got a special today because it's, we hardly ever do this where we send out a free document

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You can just have the document if you want it, but you'll also get it free if you get

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the two citizen rule books, they have the declaration of independence, bill of rights,

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constitution, jury nullification, the power of the jury, the grand jury, famous quotes,

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little color covered booklet, 70 something pages, two of those, two silver dollars that

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are both worth $8 a piece for $24.95, okay, that's at cost for Ted Anderson and you get

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the document for free along with it, we'll spring Ted up to three or four minutes and

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dragging him on the air, Ted, I hope people will get the citizen rule books and the silver

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dollars and get the free document, this is so important, especially on the eve of the

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4th of July, how do folks do it?

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Well, as simple as this, give us a call it

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That's fascinating, I was blown away by that twist

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I mean, aren't you the tip of the spear?

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Yeah, yeah, and in order to get this document, you have to buy a couple silver dollars for

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Ted Anderson

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I feel like, aren't you trying to get the truth out?

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Well, yeah, but you got to buy some silver from Ted

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Why is there a paywall behind the truth?

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Well, because Ted's got silver and he wants you to buy it

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What document is it?

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Well, I'm glad you asked

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Of course, why would I be so stupid as to think that

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Well, here is what it is

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Okay, here we go

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Think about this, think about how bad things have gotten here and if you want the DARPA

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report, the declassified document, broad board agency announcement 03-15 BAA 03-15 Defense

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Agency Research Project, or DARPA, run by convicted felon Admiral Poindexter, remember

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he said last year that everything you do, every call you make, every email you send

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will all be tracked by the computers and by the government

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So Alex is so, like he's full of shit about this and honestly it's really pathetic the

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way he's playing this game, it's so clearly designed to get people to order things from

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Ted Anderson and Midas Resources and hopefully get them on the phone with somebody who can

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tell them all about how important it is to buy precious metals

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Yeah, it's timeshare

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And the document is the thing that's luring them in

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That's so sad

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So this document that Alex is claiming is a declassified report from DARPA is nothing

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of the sort, he reads off the document identification number and that alone is a huge clue about

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how poorly he's covering this

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A BAA is a broad agency announcement, not a board agency announcement

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The Army's website defines them as, quote, a competitive solicitation procedure used

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to obtain proposals for basic and applied research and the part of development not related

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to the development of a specific system or hardware procurement

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At very best, the document that Alex is selling his audience as a declassified DARPA report

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is actually just a posting that a certain government agency is taking pitches for research

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proposals

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Various government agencies utilize BAAs to find people to conduct research

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For instance, the Defense Logistics Agency currently has one open to, quote, identify

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domestically produced materials from possibly reliable sources to substitute for materials

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produced by foreign sources or sole source producers

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Sure

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That's all this is

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It's DARPA posting a Help Wanted ad for a project that they called Combat Zones That

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See. The posting was made on March 25, 2003 and would close a year later

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The project, here's how they describe it, it's a project that, quote, explores concepts,

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develops algorithms, and delivers systems for utilizing large numbers, thousands, of

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cameras to provide the close-in sensing demand for military operations in urban terrain

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The reason for wanting to do this and explore this research is spelled out in the BAA

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Quote, military operations in urban terrain are fraught with danger

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Urban canyons and abundant hide sites yield standoff sensing from airborne and space-borne

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platforms ineffective

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Short lines of sight neutralize much of the standoff and situation awareness advantages

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currently rendered by U.S. forces

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Large civilian populations and the ever-present risk of collateral damage preclude the use

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of overwhelming force

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As a result, combat in cities has long been viewed as something to avoid

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However, modern asymmetric threats seek to capitalize on these limitations by hiding

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in urban areas and forcing U.S. forces to engage in cities

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We can no longer avoid the need to be prepared to fight in cities

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I read over this and I hate it, but I also understand the rationale for exploring this

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kind of research

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It's very specifically aimed at targeting a deployable network of sensors and cameras

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that can track specific vehicles over long distances, including within urban areas

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I get why it would be a valuable thing for the government to have during the Iraq war,

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but I'm also not naive

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And I think that the risk associated with the potential misuse of a program like this,

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it's not something that's worth the benefit that you'd get from creating it

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And so I would be opposed to this

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Yeah, it's bad

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Yeah

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It's bad

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I read a bunch of this proposal, the documents that are on the DARPA website, and I've decided

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that I'm against it

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However, I think that the way Alex misreports on this proposal actually does a disservice

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to opposing it because it's disconnected from reality

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If you want to take this proposal and warn people that this sort of thing has the potential

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to be gravely misused in the wrong hands, and its implementation in U.S. cities would

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almost certainly violate people's personal privacy, that would be a fine thing to do

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And I think it's a fine conversation

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It's just dumb to take this information and use it to insist that this is a classified

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document that proves DARPA's doing this to us, because the provided evidence fails embarrassingly

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short of proving that

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It's counterproductive to report information this way, but it's probably deeply unethical

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and exploitative to use this kind of flagrant misreporting of this information to get people

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into your gold sales revenue stream

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Also, I can find a ton of speculation about this program on blogs, but for the life of

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me, I can't find anyone that provides specific details about what happened past the posting

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of this BAA

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I was able to actually find, though, the project manager, Thomas Stratt, I found his LinkedIn

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page, and weirdly, combat zones that see that project is listed in his resume, so it's probably

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real secret stuff that he was working on

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I wouldn't put that in your CV if it was behind classified walls

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Yeah, it's strange. Obviously, I think that this sort of program, I think that the capabilities

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that you might be able to develop through it aren't good, and they are definitely things

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that could be abused

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Yeah, I've seen movies

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Yes, and I think that there's a valid conversation to have around that, but I think the way Alex

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is doing this just is cartoon shit

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I want to know what it is, so I'm ordering silver, I'm ordering silver in order to get

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this free document

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Well, and you're getting an AP story about the document that proves that it's a real

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thing or something, and you're also going to get like Red Beckman's weird pamphlets

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Totally, totally. What am I supposed to do with this document then? Do I use this to

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win arguments with my family at Thanksgiving? That's what it is? It's like, hey, listen,

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guess what? You think I'm crazy? I've bought this document from Alex Jones

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And all it cost me was $25, but I also got silver

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But I also got silver

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And honestly, while I was on the phone, I bought a bunch more silver

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Yeah, explain to me how that's what it's for, right?

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No, it's to trick people into buying more metal from

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I know, I know, but from a consumer side, that's what they must be thinking

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Yeah, so you have the document so you can make copies of it and distribute it

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Oh, I'm tired of looking like I'm crazy, so I'm going to tell people that I bought silver

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and an innocuous document from DARPA

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Yeah

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Yep, great

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Very strange

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Weird

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But very transparent in terms of the intent on Alex's part, and it's just like, if you

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were trying to abuse your audience, this is how you would behave

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Yeah, no, the Home Shopping Network is like, we're going to have to put a clock on this

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because everybody who doesn't buy it is going to die tomorrow

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But the Home Shopping Network is trying to sell you beef jerky

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No, I know

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It's not trying to sell you that there's a worldwide conspiracy trying to kill you

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Right, I'm saying that if at the end of their clock that you were going to die

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Right, there's a bomb

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That's, yeah, exactly

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Unless you sell all this jerky

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Exactly, yes, that's the problem

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Yes, so Red Beckman has some ideas about the USSR that I don't think

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No, they're great

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I don't think this is too young

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I'm sure they're great

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And people just do not understand what happened

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The USSR was one of two great world powers at the point where they were dissolved overnight

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They were considered one of two great world powers and they were dissolved overnight

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And people don't understand why and the answer is very simple

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It was a false god and it reached the point where it could no longer

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answer the prayers of those who prayed to that false god

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Now, something that's really interesting about that is that if you were speaking metaphorically

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I think that there's something to that

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You know, I think that there are, governments can collapse

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because of inability to provide for the needs of the population

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I think if you're really generous with the metaphor, I'm fairly fine with what Red's saying

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Now, because I listen to this, I know that he's being literal

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He's being very literal

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Yes

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Yeah, if you wanted to say that our government worships the false god of productivity and

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capitalism, totally fine

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But if you want to say that the USSR broke up overnight because they were worshiping a false

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god, literally, like fucking ball or something, then you might be Red Beckman

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You might be

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You might be

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Um, so yeah, that was a little bit strange

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And Alex has another take on this and that is that like, okay, so yeah, the false god

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of the USSR fell and now they're trying to do it again

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Okay

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Now they've moved on with it here, but they plan to have it more sophisticated,

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drugging the population, using propaganda, what they call imperial mobilization in the

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PENAC documents

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Red, have you heard about the PENAC documents where Bush and Cheney wrote public documents

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before 9-1-1 that they needed a terrorist attack to invade Iraq and other countries

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and that they talked about imperial mobilization in a new world order?

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Yes

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So none of this is real

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No

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The PENAC document is actually titled Rebuilding America's Defenses and it was a report released

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by the Project for the New American Century in September 2000. It's one of the disappointing

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smoking guns that 9-11 truth folks pull out to prove that Bush did 9-11

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This is because this sentence appears in the text

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Quote, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely

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to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor

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This doesn't prove anything, but it's super fun to say PENAC

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Now, larger picture, the words imperial mobilization don't appear anywhere in the PENAC document

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They don't appear together and each word doesn't even appear in the text on its own

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Alex is mixing the PENAC document up with Zbigniew Brzezinski's book

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The Grand Chess Board, which uses an oft maligned passage, including the words imperial mobilization

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The first time the term is used, it's used three times in the text

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The second time is sort of a rephrasing of what we're going to talk about

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And the second time was just saying that if Russia was more decentralized

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it would be less likely to engage in imperial mobilization

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So this is the first

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That's a good argument

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The first time is the one that is often cited by conspiracy theorists and is misused

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Sure

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So it's in a section about the geopolitical situation in Eurasia

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or the Eurasian Chess Board, as Brzezinski calls it

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It's argued that U.S. influence in Eurasia is exceedingly important to world stability

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Possibly more to the point and more realistically, holding the most sway in that region is critically

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important to U.S. strategic interests and the prospect of a hostile country having more sway

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is really threatening to our strategic interests

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Sure

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The text envisions Eurasia is split into four segments on a board

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There's the West, which includes most of Europe,

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where the U.S. is said to have a foothold on the chess board

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There's the East, which is basically China, Japan, North and South Korea, as well as Southeast Asia

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There's the Middle Space, which is the former USSR

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And then there's the South, which is mostly the Middle East

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According to Brzezinski's analysis, a situation that could be seen as a win for U.S. interests

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is one where the former USSR comes closer to the U.S.'s orbit

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where the East doesn't outright expel the United States

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and where the South section doesn't end up, quote,

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subjected to domination by a single player

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Ooh, so close

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You can kind of see the point that's being made

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and it's an interesting analysis of the sort of tensions between these actors

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand

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Brzezinski points out that, quote,

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the scope of American global hegemony is admittedly great, but its depth is shallow

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That's an interesting point

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That is an interesting point

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And he sees this kind of dynamic as an inevitability, particularly in the Eurasian chess board

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Sure

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Quote, the very scale and diversity of Eurasia, as well as the power of some of its states,

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limits the depth of American influence and the scope of control over the course of events

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That mega-continent is just too large, too populous, culturally too varied,

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and composed of too many historically ambitious and politically energetic states

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to be compliant towards even the most economically successful and politically preeminent global power

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Yeah, I've played Civilization before, they don't just, like, roll over, you know

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It's hard to hold

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Fucking Gandhi'll nuke you

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Yeah

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One of the large reasons this is the case is because American influence is not based on

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the primary tool that has been used by empires in the past, which is direct control

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Brzezinski isn't saying that not taking over countries is a bad thing and that

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we should change it or something

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That's not the case

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Right, right, right

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Here's the passage where imperial mobilization comes up

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Quote, it's also a fact that America is too democratic at home to be autocratic abroad

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This limits the use of America's power, especially its capacity for military intimidation

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Never before has a populous democracy attained international supremacy

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But the pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion,

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except in conditions of sudden threat or challenge to the public's sense of domestic well-being

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The economic self-denial, that is defense spending, and the human sacrifice,

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casualties even among professional soldiers,

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required in the effort are uncongenial to democratic interests

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Democracy is inimical to imperial mobilization

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Right

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Anyway, Alex will often misrepresent the chess board, and I guess in this case he got his primary

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sources confused, because basically the imperial mobilization in the context of that quote is

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something that he's saying that this isn't something that our democratic system is really

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compatible with

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Right, which is why it required a far more authoritarian-leaning 30 years after that

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to do exactly what he said a populist democracy couldn't do

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But even so, I would say that the version of imperial mobilization that's being discussed

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is not what we have experienced

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No, true

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Um, but still, fair enough

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Yeah

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Also, this is important, George W. Bush never wrote anything that was released by the

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Project for a New American Century

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I don't believe he ever wrote anything

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Because he was also never a member

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Yeah

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Ten future members of his administration were among the 25 initial founding members of the

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group, and it also, that group did include Jeb Bush, but not George W. The group did

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hold heavy influence in the Bush years, but the way Alex is talking about this is just cartoonish

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Also, the PNAC document ends with a list of people who quote, participated in at least

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one project meeting or contributed a paper for discussion

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That list does not include Dick Cheney, but what does direct attribution really matter?

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Yeah, come on

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Much like the case of the DARPA document, Alex does the subject he's talking about a

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disservice by having no grasp of basic details and making up so much extraneous stuff as

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to make his stories just more interesting, he's just trying to add a sort of flavor to

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it, and it's changing things past the point of it even resembling reality

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Right

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Opposition to the Project for the New American Century is impotent if it's based on an

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understanding of the group that you'd get from listening to Alex, because it's just

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bluster and anger leading you down a dead end

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Infowars is where healthy distrust goes to die

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Right

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And that's really unfortunate

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Yeah, it seems to me that so many conspiracies

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like, boil down to just reacting to having an aristocracy, you know, like, of course

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all of these people know each other, they're in the aristocracy, they're connected in

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the same way that with World War I, all the countries were run by the same family, you

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know, like it's that kind of, when you have an aristocracy, you can easily draw parallels

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and connections to them, because they fucking went to school together, you know, and whether

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or not they're an actual criminal conspiracy working together, they know each other

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Sure

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You know?

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It's another thing, too, where you have a greater possibility to make persuasive appearing

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conspiracy theories, the greater the difference is, the gap between social classes

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Because as the gap increases, the number at the top decrease

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And the distance between them increases to a point where people are just completely out

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of touch with people in different social

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strata, and the ability to believe various things about people that you're so disconnected

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from becomes much easier

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You could believe that they're eating people or whatever

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In a certain sense, the same impetus that gets rich people in trouble for saying like,

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a milk, milk is what? How many, is it $1,000 per gallon or four?

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How much is a milk?

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How much is a milk? Do you give me a milk or do I ask for one?

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It's exactly the same as being like, oh, well, billionaires obviously drink blood

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Otherwise, why would they be billionaires?

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Right

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You know?

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Yeah

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Anyway, Red Beckman has some thoughts about 9-11 that are coming

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Okay

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It's just mind-boggling for the American people to hear the story of 9-1-1 and how those airplanes

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were controlled by remote control and it wasn't the hijackers that flew those airplanes

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They found the hijackers alive! Their houses and cars and credit cards paid for by the FBI

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They didn't find the hijackers alive, and I find this really interesting

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The way that this theory of the remote-controlled planes, it seems very popular on Infowars at this

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point, which I don't think is something that Alex would want to own

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Oh yeah

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In the present

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Yeah, I don't think he would like that

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Because it's silly

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And they changed, didn't they change the main, like that one is gone from even the most 9-11

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I think so, yeah

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They let that one go after a while because they were like, yeah, no, I don't

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It's really hard for me to know what is still within the 9-11 conspiracy canon

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because a lot of stuff came and went

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It's got to be the beams, I think that's the thing that stays the same

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I think it's just building 7

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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That's probably it

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That's about it

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So you have one last clip here, and I think one of the things that's really, really challenging

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when you're listening to this stuff is like, earlier in this episode we were talking about

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Alex trying to tell this caller, hey, look, no one's listening to your phone

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Right

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But at the same time, he's really trying to scare them

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Like, this is how the show ends, and it's like, this is irresponsible

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What do you think would happen if New York was hit with like a new killer bomb?

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Oh, if the globalists carry out a terrorist attack and then pose as our saviors?

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Red, what do you think will happen after the next big terror attack?

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That the military industrial complex is going to launch?

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What do you think will happen?

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Well, I think it'll be bigger than the last one

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You go back and you watch the progression, you know, Ruby Ridge and

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World Trade Center, Oklahoma City

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Oklahoma City and 9-1-1

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Everyone gets a little bigger than the last one

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The train has to accept the tyranny

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Well, the CFR just said on Monday we will be attacked again

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They say maybe on 4th of July, I hope not

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Keep your eyes out for feds, folks

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Yeah, maybe tomorrow on the 4th of July, maybe there'll be a big nuke or something

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Maybe there'll be something bigger than 9-11 that happens

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Now, you gotta be paying attention, maybe not all that closely

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But you might notice how this caller asked what would happen if New York was nuked

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Right

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And Alex immediately recontextualized that as the globalists attacking us

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Yeah

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It doesn't even leave room for error

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Couldn't even be an actual terrorist

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That possibility is not even in the consideration

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Terrorists don't exist, it's just the globalists

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Right

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Yeah

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That's interesting

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Yeah

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It kind of speaks to his unwillingness to recognize events as actually having happened

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Right

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Which certainly has bit him in the behind

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Right

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Much like Kevin the Bird might

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He likes to eat the chocolate out of the bush with his little beak

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Yes, yes

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Oh, Kevin, so great

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But I think that Alex has gotten into trouble, obviously, with the Sandy Hook

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knee-jerk reaction of thinking, oh, this must be fake

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Right

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It's just super consistent with him

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Everything must fit into the storyline and the overarching narrative that he believes

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You can see Red reinforcing that with putting everything on a certain trajectory

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Ruby Ridge, the bombing of the World Trade Center, Oklahoma City, 9-11

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It's all part of a progression to him

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As a, like, all of these things are being done by the globalists against the Patriots

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Right

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And more specifically, him

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Yes

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Because he is the Patriots

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Yes

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And that's dumb

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But it's definitely indicative of their worldview

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Yeah

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All of this shit is intrinsically connected as opposed to, like, well, there's a bunch of

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separate incidents of bad stuff

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You know what's weird? I almost, I don't understand being afraid of a nuke

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I almost, like, in the same way that I don't understand really being afraid of an asteroid

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in a, like, fear sense

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Like, obviously, like, the reason is because the next nuke is the last one, you know?

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Like, it's for everything

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It's for the world

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The human race is over

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Maybe

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Just like if we get hit by a meteor, the human race is over

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Like, why worry about an extinction event?

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You know, you got shit to, I would be, I'm worried about a cruise missile hitting Chicago

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Because then there's shit to deal with

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People are going to have to fall, there's going to be a whole fallout

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If a nuke hits Chicago, an automated system happens and everyone's dead

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Maybe

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You know?

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Maybe

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I think that in the past there have been discussions of absorbing a nuclear attack or

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something because of this very concern

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Yeah

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Of just turning into the end of the world

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Right

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Situation

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And even if an asteroid hit, you wouldn't necessarily die immediately

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You might have some stuff to deal with

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Sure, but what I'm saying is

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You might have some bad stuff to deal with

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But what I'm saying is, if that happened, I'm not dealing with any of that

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I'm calling Dr. Kevorkian, baby

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I'm done for

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Assisted suicide all over

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I'm not gonna melt from radiation poisoning

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Well, all right

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Personally, I don't understand why people fear the reaper

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Um, oh, he seems, like, nice

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He seems real nice, never bothered me before

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Um, so yeah, we get to the end of this and I think Alex is a shithead

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Well, that's my summation

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The end

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This trend of homophobia is really troubling

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Yeah

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It's intensely more overt than it has been at other periods in the past

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Yeah, I'm having very serious, like, immediate flashbacks to

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Because 2003 was when I was in high school

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I was a sophomore and junior in high school in my small Christian conservative town

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And the homophobia I remember is so intense

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Yeah

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And then to think about, like, my little sister as a teacher now

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And the next generation of kids that she's teaching

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She's almost resentful of them

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Like, how dare you be so accepting of people

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And it's like, I cannot believe how fucked up it was

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Yeah

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Just that, just that short time ago

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Yeah

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Wow

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I think that that's probably true a lot of times in terms of generational gaps

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And you just hope that the progress that's being made is progress in the right direction

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Yeah

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And it seems like, at least on that front, it's a little better

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Um, but yeah, the other thing that I think just sticks out to me is, like,

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These callers are polite

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They are

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The, how are you doing?

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They are

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And then the, it's a hellscape, you take care, you have a good day

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Yeah

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Just absurdly so, to the point where it sticks out

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There's something to be said about how polite society enjoyed their hatred

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But they were still polite about it

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Well, but the people who were calling in and were polite

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That's true

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Weren't the people who were expressing the horrible opinions

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Yeah

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One guy just wanted a jello biafra

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Yeah

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Clip

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Yeah, Alex hadn't turned those people away yet

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Right, right

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Yeah

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Hopefully they found greener pastures

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Yeah

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Anyway, we'll be back, but until then, we have a website

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We do, it's knowledgefight.com

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Yeah, we're also on Twitter

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We are on Twitter, it's at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed Jordan

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Yes, we will be back, but until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I'm Daryl Rundis

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And now here comes the sex robots

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work

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I love you