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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying, we are the bad guys, knowledge

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fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying, we are the bad guys,

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knowledge fight. Dan and George, knowledge fight. Riddler, Riddler, Riddler. Need, need

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money. Riddler, Riddler, Riddler. Andy and Chansless, Andy and Chansless. Stop it. Andy

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and Chans, Andy and Chansless. Andy, Andy, it's time to pray. Andy and Chansless, you're

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on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a big fan caller. I'm a huge fan. I love

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your work. Knowledge Fight. Knowledgefight.com. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to

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Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. I like to sit around, drink

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novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan.

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Dan. Jordan. Quick question. What's up? What's your bright spot today? Interesting. So my

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bright spot for the week, or today, is that I am so moved that the audience that we have

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that listens to the show is so engaged in productive ways. On our last episode, I discussed

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how I want to get a new animal friend for when I move, and I had a couple of theories

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about animals that might be in the running, not fully thought through or anything, but

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I got a ton of feedback from people about those options, about like, here are some of

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the drawbacks of those pets, and also a very important piece of feedback that is sugar

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gliders are not things that you should necessarily keep as pets. They're kind of wild animals.

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I was unaware of that dynamic, and so obviously that's off the table. Yeah, I saw that one

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and I was like, oh, okay, fair enough. I didn't think that that was necessarily like a leader

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in the clubhouse anyway, although they are fucking cute. Gorgeous. And so it's led me

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to rethink a lot of the possibilities and come to the conclusion that maybe another

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cat is best, because there are a lot of cats that need homes, and that could be a more

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productive use of my time. If I want another animal friend to come around and play with

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me and Celine. I believe that's winning the voting as well on the Facebook page. It makes

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the most sense, but then somebody sent me a message, and I apologize that I don't remember

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your name, that sent this message. Get a kangaroo. No, this was a message that I read and I immediately

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threw a pen across the room. It was a suggestion to get like a death's head cockroach. Okay.

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All right. All right. No, I can't do that. But then I started to think about it and like,

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I don't want a cockroach. I don't want a cockroach. No, probably not. But it opened up the idea

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of like, yeah, there are some bugs that you could get a terrarium. Sure. And so I was

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thinking about a mantis. A mantid being. A mantis? Yes. Okay, you're going to go for

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a mantid being. It's full on. Yeah, it's like getting a mantis. What I'm hearing is you're

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eventually going to start farming crickets for when the food market completely collapses.

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You'll be able to make little cricket bars. No. And your mantis will be fine. I don't

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think that that's going to be in the cards, but I think there's a lot of broad ramifications

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of the choice of animal friend. And I appreciate the audience caring enough to point some of

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these things out to me and guide me towards making a good decision as opposed to something

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ludicrous like I end up with a wallaby. I would appreciate a wallaby. Call it Rocco.

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Something that would be so great and cute and lovely, but at the same time it'd be abusive

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for me to have. I don't want to ever fall into that trap. I've always dreamt of getting

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a fox and those things are, you just can't keep them. Yeah, they don't, they're not domesticated

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so I just dream of a fox friend, you know? I want him to sit on my shoulder and curl

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his tail around my neck and I instantly have a personality. I think that about squirrels

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all the time, but those are not things you can keep as pets. No, no, unfortunately. Oh

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well. What you going to do? So what about you? My Brights, have you ever seen the TV

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show Alone? It's like a history channel. It's like a survival show, like Naked and Afraid

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and that kind of thing. I know the genre, I don't know the specific show. And ten people,

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they put them in a place where you can't survive and they're like, let's see how long you survive.

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See if you eat each other. Yeah, that kind of thing. And this show is uniformly terrible,

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you're just watching people starve, but they make these great little shelters. My partner

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and I were watching these just like other people watch HGTV and they're like, look at

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that home! We're sitting there like, how did he make that A-frame with all the moss on

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it? That sounds amazing! So that's my bright spot. I think you would have really liked

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Survivor if you had watched it early on. If I had gotten it at the right time? Yeah, maybe.

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If you'd started in like season two or so. I think season one was pretty good, but season

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two was like what really grabbed me. Yeah, it's possible. Yeah, I think you would have

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enjoyed seeing the ingenuity. I mean, I'm positive a lot of it is sort of cheated for

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effect. Oh, the show in Alone is totally cheating. Yeah, there's got to be some of that. Right.

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But I think you would have really, if you liked that, I think you would have really

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enjoyed Survivor's thing. I think it's just the houses and shit. I don't like watching

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people starve, they're starving. They make shelter. Right, right. And on Survivor they

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rarely starve because they get rice and stuff like that. And they do like immunity challenges

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where they kick people off, but they also do reward challenges which are often like

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food. Oh, you get a sandwich. Everyone will compete in a reward challenge and the prize

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of it is like a barbecue. So they'll do that. People rarely starve on Survivor. Every time

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I step back from these though, it feels so dystopian. It's like if you watch a Japanese

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game show, you're like, holy shit, I don't understand how we got to this place, but I

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don't know what we're going to do here. Yeah, but it's dystopian in a controlled, challenging

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environment. Although I will say Survivor got way out of control with some of their

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concepts for the breakdown of the tribe. Kangaroos! In later seasons it was troubling. Oh yeah.

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But hey. There were the blue barracudas. No, that was Legend of the Hills. Silver Monkeys.

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That was Legend of the Hills. It was, yeah. Sorry, my bad. Olomac! Talking head. Olomac!

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Most incompetent temple guards. All right, we've hit all the beats. What do we got? Kirk

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Vogg has got a fanny pack. Want to do double dare? What do we got next? I don't remember

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who hosted that. Was it Moe? No, that was Guts. I just remember, the only thing I remember

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is Mike O'Malley's enduring appeal beyond the generations. He started out on Nickelodeon

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and then he got his own TV show and shit. Congratulations to Mike O'Malley. Sure. He

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had a great career. Congratulations to you. Yeah. So let's take a moment, Jordan, before

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we get down to business on today's episode where we'll be discussing last Friday's episode,

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June 5th, 2020. And before we nail down into that, let's take a moment to say thank you

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to some folks who signed up and are supporting the show. So first, SC. Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, SC. Thank you, Southern California,

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South Carolina, SC. What else you got? That's all. Next, Eric with a K. Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Eric. Thank you, Eric. Next, Jacob

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with a K. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Jacob.

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Thank you, Jacob. Next, Jenna K. Last initial K. A lot of Ks going around here today. Thank

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you so much. Whoa. Are you still throwing in some KKK shit right now? Is that what's

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happening? I'm certainly not. I'm just trying to spell people's names correctly. Jenna,

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thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Jenna. Thank you.

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Next, Lunch Money from Soros. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy

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wonk. Thank you very much, Lunch Money from the Soros. Thank you so much. Next, Wo S.

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Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Wo S. Next,

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Philip A. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you,

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Philip A. Thank you. Next, Eric C. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a

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policy wonk. Thanks, Eric. Thank you. Next, Andrea R. Thank you so much for donating on

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an elevated level. We appreciate that very much. You are now a technocrat. And thank

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you, Alex M. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Crikey, mate. That's fantastic.

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Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? All right, we got to go full tilt boogie

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on this, Watson, all right? Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money

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off that heroin. Why you pimps so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war

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on you. Thank you so much, Andrea. And thank you so much, Alex. Yes, thank you very much

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to the both of you. Man, I feel really uncomfortable because how I do this is I just go through

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chronologically the people who donate. And you are right. I mean, there are three K's

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in a row. That makes me really uncomfortable. That's a real bad time for that. But typically,

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if there's no last initial and it's Eric, there are a bunch of people named Eric. There's

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another person named Eric here on this list. Wait, was that Eric with a K, C, or Eric with

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a C? C. Okay, so there's two C's there. And Jacob, there's other Jacobs. So there's a

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Jacob who spells his name with a K without a C. Could be a coob, though. I don't think

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it is. Okay. So yeah, all right. I feel very self-conscious about this. This was in no

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way a Klan thing. I don't think you need to alert people. I probably don't. I think everybody

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gets it. I think so. I was just getting in my head. So yeah, Jordan, today we've got

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June 5th. I was planning on trying to do his Sunday episode for this episode as well, trying

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to get us as close to current as possible. There's just too much going on on this episode.

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And also, the reality of trying to flip a Sunday episode for a Monday podcast is very

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difficult. So hard. It requires us to record at like eight or nine at night, and then it's

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just I'm up all night if I'm trying to get that episode turned around in time. So we'll

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be able to check in on that on our next episode. But thankfully, there's a lot of meat on these

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here bones on the 5th. That's good news. But not a whole lot of it has to do with the protests.

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I can't imagine why. It's very strange how sidelined a lot of that is for Alex on Friday.

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Not really that big a deal. It's very strange. It's still light. Sure. So Alex starts off

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the show and he wants to get back into the business of talking about hydroxychloroquine.

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Sure. Sure. Right. And trying to argue that he's right about everything. And what's incredible

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is people that actually pay attention to this broadcast. They say, how are you right almost

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every time? How did you know that Bill Gates put out this study three months ago that hydroxychloroquine

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hurts people and helps no one? You made it up. I went and researched that it was a group

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that he funds that paid for it. Then I looked at all the other studies by all of them. I'd

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looked at many. I talked to the doctors and we played clips of doctors around the world

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saying 100 percent recovery rate for that hydroxychloroquine. Play those clips again.

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Now it came out. Come on. Stream news. Even the Washington Post had to admit. Study pulled.

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Researchers retract botched anti hydroxychloroquine study, which was used to attack Trump. Gasp.

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Think about how big that is. Think about it, Jordan. I demand you think about it. All right.

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Fuck off. One study that disagrees with him is retracted. It's obviously a cover up. One

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study that agrees with him is retracted. It's obvious. The inverse of those two. Right.

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Like fuck off. I don't need any of your this one is now that it's retracted I'm vindicated

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bullshit. Sure. That game is stupid. We still do have to address this and talk about it

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because he's not making up that a big hydroxychloroquine study was retracted by Lancet late last week.

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Due to the Guardian's reporting, I recall. Yeah. That's fair enough. The study was far

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from the only one that's shown that that drug is ineffective in terms of treating COVID-19.

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This was not one of the early studies. It was originally published on May 22nd. This

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was the study that linked the use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with the increased chance of

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mortality in COVID-19 patients. The reason that the authors retracted the study was that

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they were basing their analysis on data that had been compiled by a company called Surgisphere,

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whose methods came under question. The authors became concerned when Surgisphere apparently

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was uncooperative in an attempt to audit the provided data, which is ultimately always

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going to lead to a retraction. Around the same time that this paper was retracted, the

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New England Journal of Medicine retracted another study that relied on data from Surgisphere,

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but it was unrelated to hydroxychloroquine. This is clearly a story about statistical

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reliability more than it is about hydroxychloroquine or anyone trying to attack Trump. One issue

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here is that the retraction is not the result of the data being shown to be inaccurate,

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just that the authors are no longer convinced that it is reliable, which are different things.

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It may be the case that the underlying data is bad, or it may be fine, but since they

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can't stand behind it, the paper no longer meets the standards that outlets like The

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Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine adhere to. I can find no concrete connections

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between Surgisphere and Bill Gates, nor between Gates and Surgisphere's owner, Sapan Desai,

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so unless Alex can substantiate that, I'm left to assume he's just making it up. Another

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thing to keep in mind is that no matter what the reality is with this study getting retracted,

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it has no effect on how irresponsible Trump was being when he promoted the drug as a potential

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miracle cure. Even if all science came back and did say that it was a perfect cure for

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COVID-19, Trump had absolutely no reason to say what he did when he did, which is the

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problem. And finally, Alex is completely wrong about these studies he's referencing. He's

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just read a few headlines about early studies that showed promise, you know, like saying

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100% accuracy, and he's just decided to look no further into it. There's plenty of other

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studies that have shown, like, you shouldn't be giving this to people. On June 3rd, a very

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rigorously controlled study was published in the New England Journal of Medicine which

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showed that, quote, the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine did not help prevent people who had been exposed

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to others with COVID-19 from developing the disease. This is the first double-blind, randomized,

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placebo-controlled study that's been done on the subject, and they found that the drug

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had a comparable effect to a placebo.

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Who did that? SurgiCube?

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On June 5th, Stat News reported on a clinical trial that had just wrapped up in the UK.

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One of the leads on that study, an Oxford epidemiologist, said, quote, today's preliminary

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results from the recovery trial are quite clear. Hydroxychloroquine does not reduce

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the risk of death among hospitalized patients with this new disease.

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Some of the new data we're seeing are tending towards the impression that maybe there isn't

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a huge mortality risk in taking hydroxychloroquine, but there's also no medical reason to prescribe

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it for COVID-19. Studies are showing that it's not effective as a preventative, nor

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does it have a significant effect on recovery. There are other studies that are looking at

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other aspects of the drug's possible applications and interactions with COVID-19, but it doesn't

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look like there's anything particularly promising here at this point.

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Wait, are you telling me that making the president feel good about himself is not a medical reason

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to prescribe drugs?

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When you put it that way, I bet Alex would argue that. I bet he would say that the do

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no harm, the Hippocratic oath, has a responsibility to not harm the president's ego.

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That probably would make sense.

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I guess what Alex is doing here is he's trying to claim a major win or a victory. In hindsight,

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Trump may not have been advocating for people to take an unnecessary medication that might

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kill them.

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Well, when you put it that way, it sounds really bad.

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The victory is that Trump was just advocating people take an unnecessary medication that

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has a small chance of killing them.

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See?

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What a hero.

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Declare victory. Mission accomplished. Put it on there. Put that banner up.

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Very, very interesting approach to this.

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See? It doesn't kill people. It only mostly kills them.

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One study gets retracted because of these complicated reasons involving uncertainty

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around the sourcing of this data, and Alex is going to report that as all of everything

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about COVID-19 is fake, and also Bill Gates is involved in this particular retraction,

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which I can find no evidence of.

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Well, Surgisphere does have a kind of evil name to accompany there for itself.

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I think a lot of those medical companies probably have things that are sort of similarly weird.

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One of the chief problems about this is that as Alex talks more about the story about this

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retraction or, I mean, the two retractions, he doesn't know anything about them.

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The Lancet journal and one other that published it demanded the source data because the public

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bucked this, and turns out there was none.

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Bill Gates is a criminal. He made it all up.

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So this is really important.

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Alex has no idea what the story is on these retractions.

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He's just read a headline about them, and now he's off to the races.

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He doesn't know what the other journal that retracted their study was, which was the New

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England Journal of Medicine.

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Further, he doesn't know what that New England Journal of Medicine paper was about.

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Alex is acting like it was about hydroxychloroquine, but it wasn't, and he would know that if he

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knew anything about this story.

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The study that was retracted from the New England Journal of Medicine was based on data

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also provided by Surgisphere, but it was looking at the possible interaction between COVID-19

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and blood pressure medications.

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This is a major variable in this that Alex seems completely unaware of, which is troubling.

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Anyone acting in a sincere capacity would never report on a story like this with such

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little knowledge about the topic, but Alex does this all the time.

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He gets like two or three details and then just makes up the rest in a way that generally

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fits his propaganda angle, which is called lying.

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A second major thing that Alex is making up in this story is how these retractions happened.

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He's pretending that public pushback was responsible for getting the researchers to retract, but

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that's not at all what happened.

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In reality, there were some questions that experts in news media brought up that called

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into question the particular dataset that was being provided by Surgisphere.

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One of the major things that happened was, as you mentioned, The Guardian reported on

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May 28th that researchers in Australia reviewed the data in the Surgisphere set, which reflected

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73 deaths from COVID-19 in the country at that point, when there was actually only 67

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official deaths.

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This set off alarms as to where exactly this data was coming from.

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The Australian researchers contacted Lancet, who contacted the study's authors for clarification,

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who in turn requested Surgisphere authenticate their data.

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To make matters more suspicious, Sapon Desai, the head of Surgisphere, released a statement

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saying that, quote, a hospital from Asia had accidentally been included in the Australian

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data.

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From there, you can't rely on this data unless it's audited, and studies that relied on it

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have to be retracted, which is why those two were.

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This had absolutely nothing to do with public backlash.

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It had to do with Australian researchers attempting to conduct a study who found an irregularity,

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and then the attempt to sort it out uncovered a possible instance of shoddy statistics.

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Science!

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This, honestly, should give people a lot more confidence in the numbers that we're seeing,

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because it's such a great example of scientific self-policing.

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People conducting this research pore over the data, and they're not the sort who just

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let discrepancies sit there and be like, oh, it's probably fine.

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Hey, he's a good guy.

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Yeah.

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Hey, he's a good guy.

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Desai!

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What are you going to say?

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So, no?

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The third thing that Alex gets wrong here is him reporting that there is no underlying

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data.

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That's not clear, really, and it's entirely possible that this was not an instance of

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an absence of data, but of poorly organized and regulated data, which renders it unreliable

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to be used for professional analyses.

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It's not the same thing as having no data or it just being made up.

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Let's consider the case of this Asian-slash-Australian hospital that was found in the data.

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That could well be a mistake that they made in terms of archiving the data, and possibly,

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if you remove that hospital from Australia and put it into the Asian set of numbers,

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then the numbers might match official numbers.

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That very well may be the case, but even if it is, you still have to retract because of

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the possibility of other unexamined problems being there in the data, which could pop up

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later.

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Okay, so you're saying that they're rigorously looking over their own data sets in order

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to refine their information and thus use it more effectively in the way that they're doing

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things?

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I really think that sounds like a cover-up, Dan.

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Probably a cover-up.

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Okay, there we go.

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As Dr. Alan Cheng, an epidemiologist and infectious disease doctor in Australia, told The Guardian,

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quote, if they got that wrong, what else could be wrong in terms of the Surgisphere data

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set?

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I think like that taints a set of data, because it introduces far too much on reliability

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and uncertainty, so using it is essentially like trying to build a house on sand.

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There are some indications that are coming out that point in the direction that Desai

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may have a history of fabrication.

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As Buzzfeed reported on June 6th about some questions that reviewers are having about

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a paper he published in 2004 as part of his graduate studies at the University of Illinois,

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Chicago.

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That paper appears to have some instances of duplication in images used, which is a

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no-no.

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A computer scientist they talked to said, quote, it's like the guy went crazy with Photoshop,

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and went on to say, quote, I've never seen something like this.

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It's outrageous.

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Okay.

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All right.

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That being said, that alone is not proof that the data set that Surgisphere was using was

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fabricated or made up.

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These indications of past malfeasance introduced that possibility, but it still needs to be

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proven, which I have not seen up till this point.

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It might happen in the future, but for Alex to say that this data was made up is an indication

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that he doesn't understand the story that he's reporting, and he's kind of just winging

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it.

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Well, you know who works in the Surgisphere, though, obviously.

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It's Pauly Shore and the lesser Baldwin.

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Adam?

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He's the Baldwin that's not a Baldwin.

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He's the Baldwin that's not a Baldwin.

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Yeah, he was in DCCAD.

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Who was it?

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Is it Steven Baldwin?

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Is he the one in Biodome?

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I don't remember.

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I don't know my Baldwins.

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All right.

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The fourth problem is, again, Alex is saying that Bill Gates made up this data, which there's

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no indication of being the case.

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If Alex wants to make this story about Bill Gates, he's going to need to substantiate

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that claim, which he has not done, and given how poorly he seems to understand the basics

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of the story, I have no faith that he's ever going to.

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The retracted study does not include Bill Gates or the Gates Foundation in the acknowledgments

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or the Declaration of Interest section, which would have been done if Gates had been involved

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in the study or its funding.

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I need a citation here if Alex wants me to take this seriously.

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It's not going to happen, so I'm not going to.

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All right.

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But Bill Gates helped create the popularity of Photoshop, which that guy used to trick

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people on his graduate study.

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I'd love for Alex.

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Boom.

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I'd love that.

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Bill Gates' fault.

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I would love for Alex to do that.

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That would be a pretty amazing demonstration of how poorly he thinks.

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Oh, well.

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So this next clip, Alex talks a little bit more about this, and it led me to the realization

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that I need to have a little chat with you about a method of lying and a method of analysis

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that Alex does that I haven't been clear enough about in the past.

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This is Bloomberg.

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Researchers retract study linking malaria pill to heart risk.

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The entire study, Lancet reports, is a complete and total hoax funded by Bill Gates.

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That's amazing.

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Oh, boy.

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So the words hoax and Bill Gates appear nowhere in the Lancet article, nor in the Business

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Insider article that Alex is claiming to report on.

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He's just making that up because he doesn't care to understand the actual story and just

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wants to make things fit into his predetermined narrative.

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This is important because Alex is directly asserting that Lancet is reporting that the

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study is a total hoax and was funded by Bill Gates.

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That statement is a lie, but I want to take this opportunity to discuss what Alex is actually

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doing here.

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When I was in college, I was drawn toward the study of ancient things.

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I dabbled in anthropology and religious studies before I landed on the possibly ill-advised

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path I ended up taking, where I have a degree with basically four minors instead of one

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major.

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This is the cost of being indecisive.

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You end up having to start a podcast about Alex Jones when you grow up because you can't

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get hired anywhere else.

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Yeah, there is that.

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Not the best plan.

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My advisor in college did not warn me of this.

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At the time, I kind of thought, like, I'm going to be a famous stand-up, so who gives

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a shit?

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Where's the whiskey?

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You know, it was not.

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I wasn't very smart.

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I just imagine my high school guidance counselor using our story as like a cautionary tale.

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Do you want to start a podcast about a lunatic?

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Do you?

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Where people tell you not to get sugar gliders.

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So in the course of my religious studies classes, I was introduced to the concepts of exegesis

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and eisegesis, which are two styles of textual criticism.

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Someone who engages in exegesis attempts to understand the text that's in front of them

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and understand that text through a number of applied contexts.

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Some work through the prism of understanding the text in terms of historical events happening

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around the time of the text's writing.

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Another school of exegesis views the text itself as divinely inspired and thus studies

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the text in the context that there's a meaning beyond what the original author intended,

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but it's still a study of the text.

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There are a lot of different views on exegesis, but all of it is studying within a framework,

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and all of it relies on pulling things from the text to study.

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The opposite of this practice is called eisegesis, which is when it's something that serious

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scholars advise against strongly.

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Someone who engages in eisegesis is someone who approaches a text for a reason, and they're

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seeking to find something that demonstrates a conclusion they already have.

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In exegesis, you rely on things you take out of the text to inform your study, whereas

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in eisegesis, you're encountering the text with a point already in mind and are bringing

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that point to the text itself to defend your point.

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It's a dangerous practice, because it allows you to misuse primary sources and take small

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passages out of appropriate context to make whatever point you're inclined to make anyway,

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but you're pretending that you're engaging with source material, and that's what led

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you to your conclusion.

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It's a bastardized version of studying.

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Are you sure they - see, because what I hear is that one of those is exegesis, and

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one of those is phono-jesus.

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Probably.

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It probably is way more fun.

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Have a great time.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Come on.

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I like believing what I believe and not worrying about what other people say.

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I will say that in my life, things that are disciplined are typically less fun, which

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is why I have four minors instead of a major.

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So exegesis and eisegesis are terms that are typically used in relation to biblical criticism,

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but the same methods apply to basically all sorts of textual analysis.

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Alex is a person who engages in rampant eisegesis.

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He has a point that he intends to make, and he picks various headlines that he thinks

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will reinforce his points, as opposed to reading the news and forming conclusions based on

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the information that comes to him about reality.

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A lot of conspiracy-minded people do this, since eisegesis is a practice that essentially

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is just a path to confirmation bias.

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You go looking for something, and if you're lazy enough of a researcher, you'll probably

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find exactly what you're looking for, but there's a decent chance it won't be real.

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That's what I'm seeing happen here with this news story that Alex is covering.

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He's already decided that everything about COVID-19 is a hoax, so he's bringing that

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to his reading of this story, when the actual text in no way supports his conclusions.

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The only way he could arrive at that conclusion is for him to bring that conclusion to the

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text with him, which is inappropriate.

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Alex does this all the time, and I generally just say he's lying or making things up, but

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I thought this was a particularly good example of his specific behavior, so I wanted to spend

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a little bit more time explaining this precise technique that he uses.

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When you understand this a little bit better, you can see it pop up in so many instances

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with Alex.

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It's a very regular technique that, if he'd actually learned things in his younger years

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about how to engage with different texts differently, he probably wouldn't fall into...

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I don't even want to call it fall into.

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It's so intentional.

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Ice of Jesus isn't necessarily bad.

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You can use it, that sort of thing, in terms of engaging with poetry or a lot of...

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Even creative non-fiction type texts, they rely on the reader bringing something to the

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text to engage with.

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It's the form that is more appropriate for those genres.

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But when you're talking about reporting or you're talking about factual-based things

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or primary sources and documents, it's just a wildly irresponsible thing to engage in.

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Yeah.

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As somebody who's gone to five colleges and still doesn't even have a single degree, most

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of those were all in literature.

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That conversation in so many different classes about authorial intent versus...

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There were always some people who were in any of those classes just like, I refuse to

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even bother picking up a history book about what was going on around this time.

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What he was obviously writing about was whatever it is that I wished he was writing about.

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It happened every time.

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To an extent, that can be a valid way to engage with poetry and fiction and those sorts of

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things.

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But it's also a different path than looking at a piece of even fiction within the context

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of when the author was writing it.

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What could things be allegories for based on the lived experience of the author?

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It's a different approach to it, and typically, especially when you're covering topics that

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are similar to the ones Alex is, eisegesis is just a completely inappropriate and flawed

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way to engage with material.

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You're going to end up lying intentionally.

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You're going to end up lying unintentionally.

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Everything is going to be disconnected from reality because every story is only going

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to really be a depiction of what you think and feel, and that's pointless.

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I can only think of for when eisegesis isn't an attack on reality and a basis for propaganda

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is like the Tao of Pooh.

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Did you ever read that where the author just goes through and tries to explain Taoism and

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Zen Buddhism by using these characters and the way they interact?

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But he's not saying that it was a clearly Buddhist series of books trying to explain

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something.

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I'm not even sure if that is.

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I think that's re-imagining.

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I think that might be more of an application thing.

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It could be.

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I don't know if that applies, but I'd have to think about it more.

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Also, I haven't read the Tao of Pooh because I tend not to read books that everyone tells

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me to read.

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I didn't tell you to read it.

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No, but back then, maybe.

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I know.

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I know.

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Back when it came out.

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Same thing with movies.

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I've never seen Napoleon Dynamite or Little Miss Sunshine because everyone kept telling

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me to see them.

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You're not missing anything.

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I resent it.

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You're fine.

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You can live without those movies.

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I promise you.

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Yeah.

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So Alex goes further into anti-vaccine and COVID-19 denialism and stuff.

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And he's just making stuff up.

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The man they use as their poster boy for taking the new experimental vaccine almost died and

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was told by CNN and Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation not to tell the public.

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That's mainstream news breaking.

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But you know what?

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People are still running around wearing the mask.

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They're still buying into the hoax.

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So this is about Ian Hayden.

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We talked about him on the last episode.

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He's a vaccine test subject who came forward to discuss his adverse reaction.

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I've read a bunch of stories about this dude, and literally none of them back up what Alex

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is saying.

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Here, Alex is presenting two claims.

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First, that Ian was nearly killed by this vaccine.

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And second, that Bill Gates and the Gates Foundation told him not to come forward.

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An article in the New York Post clearly says, quote, he also insisted that as sick as he

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was, it was never life threatening, saying, you know, the effects that he had, they're

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over and I'm back to marathon running.

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No outlet that interviewed him seems to be reporting that Ian almost died, unless you

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allow for a very, very broad reading of almost died.

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For instance, that Post article discusses how his girlfriend was there to catch him

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when he fainted.

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So you could make a disingenuous argument that if he'd fainted in the wrong place and

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she wasn't there, it could have been fatal, but that's a stretch for the type of argument

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Alex is trying to make.

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And I don't accept it.

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I'm not going to follow that one.

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Again, this is eisegesis.

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Alex wants the story to be that these vaccines are killing people.

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So he brings that to the story and it completely alters the way he reports it.

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He makes up details and embellishes things in order to match his narratives because it's

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not important to discuss reality.

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It's crucial to warp reality to match the predetermined narrative.

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As for the second claim that Bill Gates told Ian not to come forward, I can find no evidence

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of this claim, and it's Alex's responsibility to prove it or admit that he made it up.

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I checked out Ian's Twitter account and he seems to be very supportive still of the vaccine

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that he was a part of the trial for.

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At the end of May, he retweeted a Moderna announcement that they were entering phase

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two trials.

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It seems like he's mostly interested in coming forward to demystify the phenomenon of adverse

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reactions, which I think is pretty admirable.

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Yeah, that is really cool.

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Alex wants the story to be that Bill Gates is somehow threatened by Ian coming forward

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because Alex thinks that all the media denies that medicines can sometimes have adverse

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reactions for the people who take them.

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That premise is faulty, so naturally the conclusion you come to with that premise is meaningless.

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Well what you're missing here is what actually happened is he was standing out behind the

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semi-truck that had the boxes of the vaccine in it, somebody was carrying a dolly, knocked

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the boxes of vaccine on it, almost hit him in the head, so he almost got killed by the

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vaccine, and then Bill Gates was like, hey don't tell anybody about this mix-up here.

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And you know how that's proof?

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Because he didn't tell anybody about that mix-up.

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You know what I heard actually?

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I heard that Bill Gates mostly moves vaccines by way of pianos on strings.

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Yeah, that'll happen.

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Pianos being lofted on a, so it could have been a situation where a piano that had a

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bunch of vaccines in it fell on him.

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Similar thing.

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He was keeping a bunch of vaccines in the apple carts and all that stuff as they walked

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by slowly.

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Uh huh.

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Perfect.

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In reality, the Gates people and the scientists at Moderna probably have no problem with Ian

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coming out and telling his story because it gives people a better understanding of how

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clinical trials work.

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Things get tweaked as trials progress, you know?

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That's not threatening.

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For instance, in the press release that Ian retweeted from Moderna, they discussed their

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initial dosing in phase two, and guess what?

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They completely eliminated the top dose, which was 250 micrograms, from the trials because

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of the information they collected in Ian's round of tests.

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Three people in the 250 microgram group had self-resolving adverse effects from the vaccine

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dose, which allowed the researchers to learn that this dose was probably too high.

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So the new trials are focusing on a placebo, a 50 microgram dose, and a 100 microgram dose.

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They learned from the first round that the difference between 100 and 250 micrograms

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wasn't relevant in terms of antibodies, but there were instances of mild side effects,

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which means there's no benefit and only risk to keeping that high-dose category.

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Sure.

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People who engage with these sorts of things in terms of reality understand that this is

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a process.

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I'm sure Ian wasn't happy that he got a bad fever and fainted, but I'm also sure that

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he's proud that he was able to help researchers gather essential information about how to

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proceed with creating a vaccine in a way that's safest for everyone.

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And further, the researchers in Moderna and Bill Gates, they don't look at Ian telling

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his story as a huge negative.

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They have to report on adverse events anyway, so those numbers were released prior to Ian

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coming forward.

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All him coming forward does is it puts a human face on that number, and it's a human face

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who's pretty publicly saying that the side effect wasn't that bad, but it was bad but

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not life-threatening, and that he's glad that he was a part of the study and he still believes

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in it.

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I don't know how that's a negative for Bill Gates.

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It's insane to me that this point of view that Alex is expressing is this hatred and

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distrust of a company trying to make a vaccine, and part of that trial is putting small groups

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together, getting the vaccine, and then getting that data in order to refine it and then pass

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it on to a larger group.

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That's the idea.

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Not somebody coming out and just saying, we've got the vaccine, everyone take it, without

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trying it, without testing it, without doing anything like that, just saying, hey, everybody,

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we got this one, inject this right into your ass.

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And doing that thing where they wiggle their fingers while they announce it.

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How is it that you trust the guy who's just like, eh, do this, over the people who are

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like, we're going to study this once, and then again, and then again, and then people

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around the world are going to study it?

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Because Alex doesn't live in reality, he lives in this fictionalized version that he supports

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through misusing primary sources in order to provide a foundation and a basis that tricks

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people who don't pay attention.

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Yeah, it's fucked.

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So Alex moves on to his next big story.

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This one was actually pretty exciting and fun to look into a little bit.

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Not that much fun, but a little bit.

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And guess what?

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I missed this.

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It broke two days ago.

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The crew brought my attention last night.

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It's a sickening 100 page report.

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I read almost all of it.

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There's a three page synopsis we'll go over, but you talk about nightmare, it's it.

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This is coming up at the bottom of the hour.

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Now is the time for the great reset.

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We kept saying COVID will be the excuse for the global depression with the UN IMF World

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Bank taking control of the first world, just like they've done to the third world.

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It'll be the excuse to finally push this under into debt bankruptcy to the world government.

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They say exactly that.

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But it's wonderful, Lord Rothschild, and everybody will rule us now and loan us our own digital

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money back and dictate how we live.

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And it says your lifestyle is never going to be the same, but it's for the best.

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And you'll have the permission to travel, and it's officially from the Davos Group World

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Economic Forum, basically the spokesperson group for the Bilderberg Group.

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Good to hear them come back up.

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It feels like it's been forever.

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It's been a long time.

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It's good to hear from them.

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So I assure you that Alex is making up that stuff about reading this report, but even

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if he wasn't, his strategy here is really interesting.

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I strongly suspect that he's saying he read almost all of it because it's completely unbelievable

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that he read all of it.

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So he's trying to make a slightly lesser claim in order to make it sound more plausible.

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But here, I think that's a lie, even.

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A man who claimed to be furious at four pages is not going to read - if he says he mostly

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read it, that still puts him at well over four pages.

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So Jordan, I'd like to lay out my reasons for why I think he's lying.

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Ah, okay.

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One, I cannot find any 100-page report that Alex wants to be referring to.

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Okay.

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Two, the three-page synopsis appears to just be an op-ed on the World Economic Forum's

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website with the headline, quote, Now is the time for a great reset.

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It's not a synopsis.

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It's just an op-ed about a larger idea.

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Three, the article on InfoWars covering this story just links to the World Economic Forum's

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op-ed and also uses the same graphic as the World Economic Forum's article, but they

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don't provide attribution for it on InfoWars.

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Yeah, you know, you don't need to worry too much about that.

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On the World Economic Forum site, they credit the image to Unsplash, which is a copyright-free

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photo service, so it's likely that Alex is in the clear legally, but that's only because

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of luck.

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If that image was under copyright, he could get into trouble for stealing intellectual

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property without permission or attribution.

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What an asshole.

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He should be more careful.

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What an idiot.

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So Alex is making up the stuff he says about what's in the report.

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That's not in the op-ed, which is mostly about how the world situation tends toward a very

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rare opportunity to reshape the world for the better.

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This involves steering the market toward fairer outcomes, ensuring investments advance shared

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goals such as equality and sustainability, and harnessing innovations to support the

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public good, especially by addressing health and social challenges.

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You can read into that whatever you like, and sure, it's probably sensible to be a little

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suspicious of the World Economic Forum, but what Alex is doing is taking this and writing

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his own story about it, which is disconnected from reality.

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Again, he's engaging in eisegesis, which is a bad practice.

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Yeah, it's a, you know, I like the World Economic Forum's place where they're saying all this

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stuff, but at the end of the day, their solution's probably like, and that's why private equity

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funds need to own all businesses, and you're like, all right, guys, let's hold on one second.

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I didn't see that in this, but this is where it gets really interesting.

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The closest thing that I can come up to with this 100-page report is an interactive issues

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map on the World Economic Forum's website that was called The Great Reset.

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That sounds fun.

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I strongly suspect Alex didn't read this, because to access it, you need a World Economic

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Forum membership, and I don't see him taking the time to sign up for one just to read something.

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Proud subscriber since 2004.

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But you know what?

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I did.

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I signed up for an account, and it's actually really interesting the way this data and information

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is laid out.

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This is an outrageously informative presentation on topics and a visualization about how these

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topics interact.

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It starts with The Great Reset in the middle, and then it has a couple of nodes that go

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off of it, that branch out.

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These nodes are things like shaping the economic recovery, strengthening regional development,

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or restoring the health of the environment.

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If you click on one of these, let's use restoring the health of the environment as an example,

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it highlights all the issue on the outermost next set of nodes that relate to that topic.

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So in this case, if you click on restoring the health of the environment, you have things

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like the ocean, forests, climate change, or plastics and the environment, and a whole

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bunch of others.

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Of course, each of these nodes reflects the interplay with other nodes from the first

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level, like the ocean involves the intersection of restoring the health of the environment

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node and the harnessing the fourth industrial revolution node.

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Then if you click on one of these issues, like the outermost issues, like the furthest

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out nodes, like let's say, because we've already been using it, let's use the ocean as an example.

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If you click on that, you're taken to a whole new wheel of nodes.

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Now the ocean is in the center of the visualization, with new nodes surrounding it, like overfishing,

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aquaculture, and human well-being and the ocean.

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In the original visualization, with the great reset, there are 51 outermost nodes in that

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visualization, and each of these, like the ocean, transfer to their own wheel of nodes

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of varying sizes.

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What I'm saying is that there is way, way more than 100 pages of information on here,

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but it's not laid out in any kind of way, where it's even plausible to be like, I read

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most of it.

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It's almost like a visualization of the Club of Rome's problematique, in that kind of sense.

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In terms of that idea that things are interconnected, yes.

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It does call to that idea of a way to approach problems, and I think it is really interesting.

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I'm not positive that there are a ton of prescribed things to do, or things that should be done.

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I'm sure there are within that, but it's largely just about like, these are topics that are

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really important, here's how they interact with each other, and they're compiled by experts.

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Each one of these is essentially a presentation that is farmed out to experts in the field.

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And I can't even pretend that I can accurately report on this visualization.

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It's a presentation of presentations of presentations.

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There's so much there, and it pertains to so many different issues, it would be impossible

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for me to cover it.

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I spent a while going through it, and there's a lot of thought-provoking stuff to be found

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if you dig through it, but it's really outside the scope of the show for me to break it all

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down.

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The point is that Alex didn't do any work on this.

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He just saw an Infowars headline about this op-ed with a scary name on the World Economic

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Forum's website, and now he's making up a hundred page report that he's read almost

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all of.

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Blah, blah, blah.

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This is all bullshit.

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You know, you can't see a certain sense of where a lot of people's heads are at, because

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you can go to that, and you can realize the scope of the problem, and really visualize

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everything that's going on, and how the entire system itself is set up to destroy us, or

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you could tell a strong, crazy moron to kill your friends and your enemies.

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Those are alternate strategies?

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I just kind of think that one is easier than the other.

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That's why Alex does the easy one.

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It sounds right.

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So, in this next clip, Alex talks about his own scholar, I suppose.

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He cites an expert about something that is a load of bullshit.

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If you look at the Google Trends, as our guest Hoteb Jesus brought up yesterday, 2016, the

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Black Lives Matter Antifa blip was 20% of what it is now.

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It is a massive, off-the-charts spike.

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So Alex hasn't looked into this Google Trends thing any deeper than just hearing Hoteb Jesus

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say it, and then he's repeating his version of things, and just adding some stuff in for

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fun.

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We discussed the error that Hoteb Jesus was making on our last episode, how he was erasing

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context from the Trends numbers and writing his own story about it, so I'm not going to

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belabor the point again.

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He was having his own fun at Jesus.

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Sure.

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What's important to remember is that Alex is just adding in the stuff about Antifa.

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If you go to Google Trends and you type in Antifa, you see no spike at all in 2016, because

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the right wing wasn't obsessed with Antifa at that point.

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The first spike you see is on August 13th, 2017, and that's because it was right after

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the Unite the Right rally in Virginia, which happened on August 11th and 12th.

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You remember?

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That was the rally where a bunch of angry white dudes chanted, Jews will not replace

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us, and then a neo-Nazi ran over a protester in his car, and then Trump said there were

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good people on both sides.

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You may recall that there was a concerted campaign in right-wing media to blame all

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the violence on Antifa, which is undoubtedly why there was a spike for interest in August

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2017.

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This is critical to understand.

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Ultimately, the Google Trends information doesn't prove anything other than there was

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an increased interest in a certain topic at a certain time.

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Interest in Black Lives Matter increased after the murders of Alton Sterling and Philando

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Castilla, and the interest is really spiking right now, for clear reasons.

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Similarly, the interest in Antifa increased after the Unite the Right rally, which makes

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sense.

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People were curious about this thing that they hadn't heard of and people keep talking

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about, so they Googled it.

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Alex is making up Google Trends information about Antifa in 2016, which wouldn't mean

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anything, even if it were true.

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Just for fun, I decided to check the Google Trends information for the term emoluments.

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Not surprisingly, there was a big spike on January 22nd, 2017, because that was right

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after Trump got inaugurated.

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I wonder why people would be looking up emoluments immediately after a president who is in violation

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of that clause is, uh, you know, strange.

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There was another big spike in late October 2019, but that was because Trump had been

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trying to host the G7 at one of his properties and had called the emoluments clause, quote,

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phony.

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Neither of these spikes mean anything other than that the term was something that people

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were talking about at the time, and if you take a moment to examine the context of what

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was happening around each of these spikes, you can clearly understand what the Google

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Trend is reflecting.

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Alex pretends that there's some kind of secret code that's being shown in these numbers,

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which is ridiculous, but it's pretty on brand for him, because he's a dumb dumb liar.

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Yep.

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Yep, that's stupid.

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Dumb dumb!

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So I'm mad that the right wing has not yet blamed the true instigators of the violence,

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and that is obviously the buttercream gang.

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I can't see any other explanation for this.

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Jordan, you have to shut up.

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You're going to get us killed.

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I'm not going to get us killed.

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You're going to get us killed.

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Look, I get it.

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They're violent, but they're not everywhere.

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Dan!

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They're not...

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Holy shit!

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Get down!

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And scene!

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All right.

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That's the, that's the, that's the buttercream sketch.

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Let's call Steven Castillo over here.

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Get over here.

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We got something for you.

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Okay.

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So in this next clip, Alex tries to present the idea that these protests and this, this

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idea of a revolution that could be brewing is really all about killing cops.

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And I find a particular irony in Alex's words.

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And look at these headlines.

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Are we on the brink of revolution?

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And they're telling us revolution's burning your local community and killing cops.

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Oh, you're going to have a lot more cops when they're done, boy, let me tell you.

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So I don't think that most people I've heard speaking want to kill cops or really even

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endorse it.

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They're advocating eliminating police departments or defunding them, but they generally stop

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short of expressing a desire to kill all cops.

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Alex can play with that straw man all he wants, but it's not a real position that he's arguing

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against.

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Interestingly, though, in the past, we've heard Alex very clearly express that if people

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start to pass gun regulations that he doesn't approve of, the right-wing gun owners will

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go out and start killing cops.

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He did say that they would do that, yes.

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He's talked about it many times, and it's an offshoot of the extremist text Unintended

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Consequences, which was about right-wing extremists waging a war on the police because of gun

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laws.

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We heard the topic slightly get broached when a caller brought up Unintended Consequences,

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and Alex replied that it was a good book.

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I think regarding the Second Amendment, we could clear up all the confusion of terms,

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intent, and reason if everybody would just go get a copy of Unintended Consequences and

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read it, cover to cover.

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Yeah, it's an excellent book.

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It's an excellent book.

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So that was from Alex's show on January 16th, 2013, and by February 10th, 2013, Alex was

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deep in covering the story of Chris Dorner, the LAPD cop who was going on a killing spree,

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seemingly primarily targeting police.

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Alex was super upset that the shooting spree would lead to new gun regulations, and he

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expressed his concern in the form of a veiled threat that if police came to take guns, gun

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owners would rise up and kill them.

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Let me tell you, you better hope the globalist civil war doesn't start.

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You're scared to death that they've got patrol cops off the streets on motorcycles or foot

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because of one guy in Southern California, a state of 38 million people, 20-something

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million of them in Southern California, you start a fight with 160 million gun owners,

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you let the global social engineers start this, the Bolshevik collectivist.

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You let them get you into this while they sit back.

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Do you have any idea what's going to happen if one percent of that 160 million fight back

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and just go out and go after one person and then disappear, never seen again?

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That's 1.6 million combatants.

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Can you do the math?

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That's as many police there are in this country.

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By February 13th, Alex got way, way more explicit about this whole thing, directly saying that

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if cops tried to enact gun laws, literally all cops would be dead very quickly.

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And I'm the biggest friend of the police ever because I don't want to see a bunch of you

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dead.

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I mean, if you guys are hiding out because of Dorner, you start the gun confiscation.

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I mean, I've done the math on it.

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I know history.

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I've studied it.

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The cops will stand down is what's going to happen.

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But if the cops tried to engage the American people, every cop in America would be killed

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basically very quickly, very quickly, very quickly.

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I mean, because there's, again, one percent stands up of gun owners.

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That's one point six million combatants.

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Now, you do the math.

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You can see here, Alex's mind works.

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He's creating a fake version of the current protests to sell to his audience to make them

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scared.

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In this reality, these protesters want to kill police, but this is dumb because they're

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just going to end up with more police.

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In the case of his pet issue, imaginary hypothetical gun laws, he's directly threatening the lives

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of literally all cops in the country with murder.

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They go along with gun regulations that aren't even real.

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And this is smart and will not end up with more police.

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This is a dreadful glimpse because what it tells you is that Alex wishes state violence

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to be enacted upon people who are invested in protesting for a cause he's opposed to,

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in this case, greater equality in terms of justice.

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However, when it comes to issues he feels impacted by, like gun regulations, he feels

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entitled to enact violence against the state to the point of murdering all cops if they

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act in a way that he finds contrary to how he wants them to.

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This is an astoundingly authoritarian level of thinking, and I think it kind of provides

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some explanation for how we got to where we are now.

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Alex has always been this guy.

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It's not been.

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Granted, there are massive shifts that have happened since Trump, but he's always been.

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Fundamentally, I want everybody who disagrees with me to die.

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The term that got used so much right after Trump's election that kind of became a joke

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was emboldened, but legitimately.

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I think clearly what you see with Alex is not so much a total change, but an emboldening

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of a lot of these impulses and things that were there already.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And then it just underscores the fact that the hard right for all their bluster about

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wanting a second civil war really just wants a blanket, a permission to kill whom they

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don't like.

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They don't want a revolution.

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They don't want to change the system.

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The system is great for them.

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The only thing that they don't like was that they can't kill people.

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So in this next clip, Jordan, Alex, he has this big thing that he goes on.

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I guess someone forwarded him a Facebook post or something from protest organizers who were

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explaining like, hey, if you're white and you come to these protests, please understand

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that follow the lead of the non-white rally goers who start chants.

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They don't make this about you.

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Exactly.

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They take selfies in order to, because I mean, on one level, taking selfies is like turning

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this into some kind of a tourism thing.

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Right.

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There's that.

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And then secondarily, you run the risk of identifying people like if you have other

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protesters who could be put at risk by way of you photographing them.

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And we've seen cops track people down and fucking throw them up.

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There are legitimate concerns that this post that Alex is making fun of express.

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He has decided that what this is is black people turning whites into slaves.

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That is a, that man, man, that's a swing.

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Yep.

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That's a swing.

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It's a big one.

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We're going to cover this when we come back and how to stop the globalist master plan

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and how it ties into Black Lives Matter, officially tells white people, no selfies, you're here

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to serve us reinventing slavery.

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But before we go any further, ladies and gentlemen, please do not forget that we're running the

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biggest sale, not just of this year, but of last year.

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Big old sale.

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This is just, this is just tiresome.

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This, this level of like misrepresenting stuff, scaring people, and then just funneling that

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into an ad is just stupid, just awful.

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So now there's something that I haven't told you about.

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It's because I was just bored by it and I don't care.

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For a couple of days, Alex has been having a chess board, a skull, and some roses on

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his desk and sort of pretending that it means something, but he hasn't really, he hasn't

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mentioned it.

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He's mentioned it a little bit, but he hasn't really got into like what it's about.

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So he's just got that there is new set dressing.

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We're all just supposed to look at it and be like, I guess this is fine.

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Alex has had the skull on his desk before and he's brought up that like his dad is a

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dentist and he has a skull and he found it.

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So he wasn't going to do a last poor Yorick.

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He wasn't?

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No.

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No.

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Okay.

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He just had a skull cause it's fun and he has one and now it's been taken to the next

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level with a chess board and roses.

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Sure, of course.

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We're going full Shakespeare on this, huh?

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This is, I love, Jordan, I can't tell you enough how much I love this clip.

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This clip is, this is the kind of Alex that's so concentrated you might overdose.

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If you don't have a tolerance built up.

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But for me, since I'm somebody who's a junkie on that stuff, I can handle the hard shit.

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This is you chasing the dragon.

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Yeah, kind of.

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I could sit over there with you and I could read you patents and documents and announcements

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by the IMF, announcements by the world government, or I could just look directly into the camera

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and talk directly in this microphone to radio listeners.

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So real quick, please mic down a little bit of a longer clip, but you've got to enjoy

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the ride and TV viewers and ask you, do you want to control your own future?

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Do you want a pro human future?

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Because when I say, do you want a pro human future?

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The establishment has decided that you're worthless.

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They decided that you need to be gotten rid of.

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And this isn't just rhetoric that I'm up here talking about.

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It's the real world and it's real things that are happening and civilization and your family's

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future being undermined.

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And so I sit up here on this TV program with his chest set, the skull, these flowers, a

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lot of people asks about emails, gotten text messages, saying, well, what's the point on

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your show?

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It looks really interesting.

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Well, the point of it is, is that it's esoteric and it allows you because it isn't a clear

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message to project onto it.

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What you're thinking, but I can tell you what it means to me, you have the potential of

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all God's gifts symbolized by a tree, a tree of life, and the red blood of humans that

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unifies us.

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I'm gonna get to that later.

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I'm gonna get a special report here for a while, because I'm not ready to do a show,

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I guess.

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Oh my God.

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That's so perfect.

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To me, that is the funniest fucking thing in the world.

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It's distilled, Alex.

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It's two minutes of like, oh my God, no one could do that but Alex.

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So it starts-

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See, it's esoteric.

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Right.

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I want to walk you through what's so great about this.

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Okay.

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So it starts with Alex hand-waving away his responsibility to prove anything that he's

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talking about.

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It's really hard.

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Sure, I could prove it all, but instead I'm just gonna look fake earnestly into the camera

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and I'm gonna rattle off a bunch of vague platitudes about nothing.

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A lot easier to do.

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That is such a perfect encapsulation of Alex's style of proving things.

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It runs through so much of his program, how he'll say, you know, like there's so much

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evidence of something that I can't get to any of it, so he doesn't get to any of it.

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Why would you?

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Right.

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There's so many major news stories breaking, so I'm not gonna cover any of them.

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I'm paralyzed.

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This is Alex's sleight of hand tactics in just clear view.

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It's amazing.

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Then, Alex gets to the chess set and the skull and the rose.

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This has been that set piece on his desk for the last few days, and he's acting real cagey

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about it.

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Obviously, there's some kind of point he's trying to impart to the audience, but now

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he gets on air to explain it, and apparently it's abstract art.

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It means whatever it means to you.

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Alex instinctually knows that this is disappointing as hell, so he starts breaking down what it

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means to him.

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Apparently, the rose is a tree that symbolizes the sum of all God's gifts and red blood since

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it's a red rose, and then it all falls apart.

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Yeah, he got lost.

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He lost the thread after that one.

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It very clearly sounded like he got distracted by his own bullshit and then was like, wait,

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what was the fucking chess board about?

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Alex clearly didn't think any of this through, so he just bails mid-thought and goes to a

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special report.

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He wants so desperately to be deep and have some kind of symbolism reflected in these

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items, but he's also really stupid, and he can't really fake it.

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It's hilarious what an act he's putting on here.

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Just everything is pretense and facade.

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He acts like he can prove his claims in all of them, but instead, what's better is just

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looking at the camera and saying things.

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He acts like he, you know, has some kind of a deep esoteric message and these props on

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his desk, but he can't come up with shit past calling a rose a treat.

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It's like a treat.

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He acts like he's fully committed to his show and all this, the info war, but when things

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aren't going well, he just leaves.

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I'm going to bounce.

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This dude is legitimately the saddest person in media right now, no competition, just pathetic.

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He's like if a bookshelf filled with cardboard boxes bound to look like Britannica became

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a person.

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Like it is bad.

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Yeah.

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It is empty.

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But it's almost impressively bad.

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No one else could do.

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It's a big bookshelf.

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They would be fired so fucking fast if they were this incompetent because he runs everything

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just like, okay, fail, and then come back and fail tomorrow.

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Never learn any lessons about how to present things.

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Stop it.

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Holy shit.

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I don't even like you telling me that there are lessons to be learned.

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It's amazing.

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So Alex starts complaining about really rich people and fair enough, but I think that this

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discussion of Jeff Bezos and this little piece of his commentary on Bezos really reflects

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ultimately how bad Alex is even with a layup.

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Jeff Bezos, he gives in charity each year.01%.

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That's like the average person giving, I think it says here, $87.

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So the point there is all good and well.

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Bezos doesn't give a relevant chunk of his money to charity, but I don't care about Alex's

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take on that issue.

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His solution is probably to get Bezos to give a billion to gun weirdos, and I don't care.

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So what I'm most interested in that clip is the math.

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If you take the ratio of Bezos' income and applied it to a normal person, it would be

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the equivalent of them giving $87 a year.

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Alex's claim that it's 0.01% of Bezos' income, right?

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So that's the same as $87 to you or me.

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I have some news for Alex.

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For $87 to be 0.01% of your income, you have to be making $870,000 a year, which I think

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is a little bit above the average income.

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The average income, Dan.

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Come on.

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According to Investopedia, the median income in the United States for households in 2018

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was $63,179.

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I have no idea what Alex thinks people are making, but it's clearly not something he's

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thought about at all.

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I heard him throw out those numbers, and even without doing the math, I knew this was a

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load of shit, but I didn't realize how far off he was.

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What's going on here is that Alex misread the headline in Vox that he's trying to cover,

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which said that Bezos gave 0.1% of his wealth to charity in 2018, but in the headline, this

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is visualized as 0.1, so Alex just moved the decimal point.

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Instead of 0.01.

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Exactly.

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Okay, all right.

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He didn't realize how big of a difference moving that decimal point is.

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It's a transposition error.

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These are the issues and inaccuracies that come from sloppy and lazy reporting.

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You could say that it doesn't matter, that the point that Bezos doesn't give enough to

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charity is right, and I would disagree with you, even though I do agree with the point.

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This is a serious issue, like Bezos' charity.

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The reality of this man's wealth and his non-giving needs to be discussed in terms of reality

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by people who care, who aren't just using headlines they don't understand and actually

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have misread to score dumb points about nonsense.

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Alex isn't capable of the kind of discussions that are needed to help solve the problems

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in society that billionaires or hypothetical trillionaires create, so allowing him to pretend

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like he's a part of it is just counterproductive.

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You can see that he doesn't understand the basics of the topic, because he skimmed a

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headline and he's like, oh, fuck, 0.01%.

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It is a small problem, but it implies a large problem.

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Well, what it is is if he were to go to a protest at Jeff Bezos' house about this situation,

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he would not sit and listen to the fucking organizers.

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He would stand up and say some bullshit, and he would distract from everybody else trying

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to do the right thing.

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He's a dick.

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Yeah, there's a very famous video that, it's an old video of the gun protest in Austin

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that Alex came out to with his bullhorn, and the organizers of that protest were trying

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to get him to come speak up on the dais, and he wouldn't do it, he was just distracting

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from the actual protest to the point where they theorized that he was intentionally disrupting

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their protest, and it probably wasn't that.

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It's probably just a manifestation of his narcissism, but it is that kind of behavior.

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Yeah, if Alex went to protests, he takes them over, or he has to co-opt everything.

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And he doesn't take them over or co-opt them, he just makes them shit and makes everybody

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hate him.

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So Alex, in this next clip, this is another one that's really fascinating to me.

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The one where he's talking about the chess set and the esoteric imagery, hilarious.

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Fantastic.

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In the same way, there's something going on in this clip that is largely more important

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than anything he's talking about, and I'll discuss it after you listen to it.

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Here's the biggest thing I've said in months, and I just want this to go across to all of

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you, for myself, for you, for your family, wherever you are in the world, wherever you

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are listening to us right now.

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People are still wearing masks all over the world.

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Many businesses and companies, you guys got a mic opener, you got an audio feed feeding

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into me.

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I thought it'd go away after a while, but it's not.

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So let me just get back to what I was saying.

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I'm mad at the crew.

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I'm just, I'm really stressed out about all this.

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And I've seen comments online, oh, Jones, when he does this thing, like, oh, I don't

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know if I can do the show now, it's for theatric purposes, or it's just to build up suspense.

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No, it's not.

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But I appreciate it.

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They're putting in permanent medical martial law with a psychotic person that ran Jeffrey

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Epstein's operation.

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That's what Bill Gates did.

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He ran Jeffrey Epstein's operation to compromise scientists across the board with blackmail.

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For sex with underage women and children and snuff films so they could scientifically take

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over and have a fake scientific consensus ahead of pushing giant frauds like this.

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So that clip is super interesting.

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You can tell from Alex's tone and the language he was using, he was preparing to go out to

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break with a plug or more likely begging his audience to spread his materials around so

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he can sucker in new customers.

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It's a very distinctive way that he ramps into that stuff, and this is like two minutes

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before the end of the hour, so that's usually when he's most likely to plug.

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You can kind of tell by the tone of his voice at the beginning of the clip.

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Then he gets distracted by tech problems and completely loses his train of thought, and

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he blows up about how he's not doing any of this for theatrics.

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When he realizes that he's kind of being theatrical about accusations that he's being theatrical,

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he knows he has to give some kind of an explanation for why he's on edge, and you see what he

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comes up with.

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It's that Bill Gates was running Jeffrey Epstein's entire operation.

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That doesn't sound true.

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Now, here's what's fascinating about this.

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You can actually hear Alex decide to run with the narrative.

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I'll play you just the little section where you can hear his footing shake slightly, and

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then you can hear him reassure himself.

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It's fascinating.

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They're putting in permanent medical martial law with a psychotic person that ran Jeffrey

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Epstein's operation.

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That's what Bill Gates did.

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He ran Jeffrey Epstein's operation.

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You can hear it in the tone.

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He says that Bill Gates ran Epstein's operation, and then as if he's trying to quiet a doubting

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voice in his head, he follows it up with, that's what he did.

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It's amazing to me, since it's not very often you can hear Alex pimping himself into more

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extreme narratives in real time.

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He's been very clear that Gates and Epstein knew each other, and there was a connection

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between the two in the past, and that's all good and well, but this is a massive departure

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from that beaten path.

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This is honestly possibly the kind of slander you might even get in trouble with with a

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public figure.

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I would like Bill Gates to do something about this.

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Alex is directly asserting on his show that Bill Gates was running Jeffrey Epstein's operation

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and was involved in abusing children and making snuff films.

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Obviously, it's not worth Gates' time to get into the mud with Alex, but that slight hesitation

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and reassurance, I'm almost certain that that was Alex thinking, can I get away with this,

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and then deciding that he can.

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I'm not sure that this is the best place for someone to step in and eat Alex's lunch, but

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the point that no one has financially destroyed him up till this point, because he makes shit

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up about them, and that's what has gotten us to this point, where Alex just knows that

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there's no consequences for anything he says.

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Without any evidence, he can accuse Bill Gates of being involved in murders, and he knows

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that there's no consequences.

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It's honestly pretty remarkable.

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Alex is basically a living example of how these sorts of laws only apply when someone

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is willing to enforce them, and if you spend all your time slandering people who are too

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busy to sue you or who wouldn't dignify your comments with their time or attention, you're

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pretty much free to say whatever you want about them.

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Let this be a lesson to future propagandists.

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If you want to make materially false and defamatory claims about someone, always go for top-tier

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targets.

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As Alex has shown, the only time you get in trouble is when you go after private persons

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like Sandy Hook families or mid-tier folks like the owner of Chobani.

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The actual elite are too busy, so you can just defame them all you want, and generally,

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there will be no consequences.

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Isn't there some kind - he can delegate, you know, Bill Gates - I get maybe he's busy,

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maybe he's busy.

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What do I give a fuck?

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But come on, just send a guy - hire a junior lawyer who's never worked before, somebody

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straight out of law school, slam dunk case, give them their first win right out the gate.

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Fifty grand a year, you'll get it.

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But possibly, you know, you end up - as we've seen with so many of these cases that Alex

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is involved in, you end up in a situation where he just does these stalling tactics

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in order to try and create more attention for himself.

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You end up with the possibility of just getting bogged down in something that plays into his

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hands even if he would end up winning the case.

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Hey, you got a junior lawyer, tell him not to give up, keep on going, don't even talk

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to him, don't even acknowledge that there is a lawsuit going on, just let this dude

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do his work.

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I understand what you're saying.

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My position on it is more that that should have happened long ago.

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Oh, a million years ago.

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At this point, it's probably past the point where anyone would see an upside in engaging

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that way.

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Oh, of course.

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Of course.

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Should have happened long ago.

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Eh, yeah.

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So one of the things that I found pretty surprising last week is that Alex is very slow to pick

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up on the new Project Veritas video, but he finally does here on June 5th, and he plays

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a little bit of it, and Alex is dumb.

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The Project Veritas knocks it out of the park again with an undercover inside Antifa for

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several years.

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When you hear just the sliminess and evil of these Soros human-funded turd baskets,

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it just makes you sick.

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Here it is.

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So this video is complete shit, and it's almost certainly a total fraud.

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In the video, James O'Keefe, felon and proven repeated liar, claims to interview someone

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who was deep inside Antifa.

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Of course, this person is completely anonymous and has their face obscured, so honestly,

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they could just be making everything up, and they probably are.

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There are some serious inconsistencies that come up in the video, which are pretty well

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laid out in a piece in The Daily Beast.

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The biggest one is the guy in the video who claims to be embedded with Antifa says that

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they hold required lectures at a bookstore in Portland called In Other Words before the

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bookstore opens for business.

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This is a problem because, according to OregonLive, In Other Words closed in 2018.

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Okay, well, there's that.

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What this indicates is that they chose this bookstore for a reason, and it's pretty easy

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to guess what that reason is.

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In Other Words was the inspiration for the fictional bookstore Women and Women First

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in the show Portlandia.

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If you were a right-wing propagandist hack and you were trying to come up with a location

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for this militant SJW army to meet in Portland, it makes sense that the first thing you come

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to mind would be the one bookstore you've heard of in that city.

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But you have to do your homework, because when you don't, you end up putting out transparently

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fake shit like this, and it raises questions.

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There's undercover footage in that video that's alleged to be from one of these secret Antifa

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meetings in At Other Words, but that's not really possible since they've been out of

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business for over two years.

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That introduces a really troubling possibility that the whole section of video was staged.

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It's not like this footage is supposed to be from 2017 or something.

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It's presented as current.

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This would be completely laughable and discrediting under normal circumstances, but what O'Keeffe

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is doing has a strong potential to lead to violence against left-leaning protesters who

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easily tricked viewers will assume are Antifa and thus domestic terrorists.

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This is one of the reasons why people like James O'Keeffe have to be shut down.

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If he was doing sincere investigative journalism, like into the potential political malfeasance

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of democratic politicians, and reporting on stories that were real but inconvenient to

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the left, then I would absolutely defend entirely his right to continue doing that work.

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His career is just too full of complete frauds being passed off as reporting, and ultimately

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you can see that he doesn't care if what he puts out puts people in danger.

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His misinformation isn't intellectual or abstract.

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He's lying in a way that can directly lead to people getting hurt, and that cannot be

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allowed to continue.

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He needs to be sued.

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If anybody gets sued, or if anybody gets hurt, inspired by that or something, I don't know

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what the mechanism would be, but this is unacceptable.

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Yeah, I feel like after World War II, one of our laws should've just been like, if you're

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doing gerbil shit, no.

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Real simple, just like, hey, gerbils did this, this, and this, that's bad.

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Don't do that.

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If you do, it's against the law.

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The end.

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I don't understand how that's hard.

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That one seems pretty easy, and this is clear and transparent bullshit.

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It's troubling.

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That's not good, and nobody cares because there's other shit going on.

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So in this next clip, we see Alex taking George Floyd's death and trying to use it for his

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own political purposes.

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It's really interesting the way he's taking that and using it to reinforce a narrative

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that he already had, which is not good.

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But there are hundreds of thousands of deaths in the United States every year from pneumonia

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and other things combined.

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So there were some deaths, but most of them were gunshot wounds and other things.

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They attributed it to that.

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People that died in car wrecks, all of it, are added to the COVID-19 death list.

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George Floyd's been added to it when he obviously died of a mixture of fentanyl and asphyxiation.

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So it is true that George Floyd tested positive for coronavirus back in April, and the positive

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test result was confirmed in his autopsy, but I can find no evidence that his death

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has been added to the COVID-19 death counts.

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The reports I can find on this say that doctors don't believe that the coronavirus played

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any role in his death, and what Alex is doing is just assuming that because he tested positive,

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he was listed then as a COVID death.

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That's handled differently by different states, so it's unclear to me if that's true, but

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Alex is making the assumption and reporting it as fact, which is sloppy, and now he must

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substantiate this.

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She hasn't.

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If Alex or any of his interns would have looked into this at all, they would have found that

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the state of Minnesota released specific guidance in terms of reporting COVID-19 deaths back

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in April.

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If they'd looked into this and read it, they might have a better understanding of how these

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things are reported.

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The reporting forum in Minnesota has multiple sections.

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The first most important section is about the underlying cause of death.

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This is part one, and it's set up as a sequence of causality.

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In one example they give, the cause of death could be reported as acute respiratory distress

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symptom due to pneumonia, due to COVID-19.

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There is a descending causality tree, where the immediate cause of death is linked to

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the underlying thing that brought about that condition.

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Then there's a second section, part two, where the death certifier can, quote, enter other

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significant conditions contributing to death but not resulting in the underlying cause

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given in part one.

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It's possible that Floyd could have COVID-19 listed there, but it seems unlikely, since

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all the reports I can find about this indicate that the condition played no role in his death.

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There's another consideration to keep in mind, and that is from the Minnesota guidance document.

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Quote, the manner of death, sometimes referred to as circumstances of death, is also reported

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on death certificates.

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In the case of death due to COVID-19 infection, the manner of death will almost always be

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natural.

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One of the other classifications of manner of death is homicide, which Floyd's death

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has been consistently deemed to be.

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A classification of homicide would almost by definition preclude the death for being

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counted as a COVID-19 death.

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In order for a COVID-19 death to be homicide, you'd have to probably show a case where someone

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was intentionally infecting people, and that's not this.

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The point here is that it's incredibly unlikely that George Floyd's death is being counted

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in the COVID-19 statistics, but that is a claim that Alex is asserting as fact.

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He needs to back that up, and he absolutely can't do it, which means he's making this

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shit up.

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He's lying.

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Yeah.

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No.

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Anything.

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I'm done with distractions about Floyd's... No.

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I don't care.

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I don't care what angle you've got on, I don't care.

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We can't get distracted by his bullshit.

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I totally understand that, and I'm with you.

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I'm with you.

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Unfortunately, our show is mostly about discussing these distractions.

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I know.

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I understand.

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It is a paradox.

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It is unfortunately frustrating because of the nature of the thing we've decided to do

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as a... No.

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I don't think the podcast where I just scream, I don't care, is going to take off.

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Hey, man.

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There have been a lot of times when I've had to just say, I don't give a shit, so you're

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entitled to that as well.

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I think that that's an important voice and a point to make, is that a lot of this stuff

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is distractionary that's meant to take focus and attention away from these protests that

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are growing and massive and important.

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It's the same thing with the tactic of so many media places just focusing on a looting

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incident as opposed to the tens of thousands of people gathered to chant and hear a speaker

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or make a point known to the people in power.

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It is a distractionary thing and it's always important to remember what the center focus

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is and not allow your eyes to be taken off that because otherwise you lose focus, you

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lose the point, you lose the threat.

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We were talking about a guy whose entire job is to take eyes off of it.

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It is unfortunate.

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Yeah.

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It is still important to bring that up, so I'm glad you did.

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Although at the same time, Alex is what he is.

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We are who we are.

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So Alex gets into this next clip.

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He talks about a Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne and...

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Okay.

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All right.

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Man.

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What's he doing talking about Australia?

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Bad stuff.

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Oh, boy.

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This is the official Black Lives Matter of Melbourne.

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Again, they bring in populations from outside the area, teach the population to hate each

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other, and then say police, even though most of them are minority in Melbourne, aren't

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even allowed to carry out their job or they're racist, so you make the invading force the

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victim.

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Yikes.

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So first things first, Alex is describing black people as an invading force in Melbourne,

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whereas the white folks are the rightful inhabitants, which is wild.

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Well, they were born there, Dan.

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Someone should tell them about what happened to the Aborigines and Maori.

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No, they don't have racism in Australia because it's all white.

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There is literally no other way to hear those comments than as a blatant example of white

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nationalism.

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Oh, yeah.

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Then, Alex says that Melbourne's police department is mostly minorities.

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I have no idea where he's getting that information from, and I strongly suspect he's making it

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up.

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I was able to find a 2008 analysis of the Victoria Police Force, of which Melbourne

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is a part, and it does not show a lot of diversity.

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Quote, Victoria Police is predominantly an Australian-born police force.

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It has an over-representation of English-speaking countries and an alarming under-representation

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of non-English-speaking minorities.

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In 2006, there were 9,037 Australian-born officers in the Victoria Police, compared

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to six from Northern African countries, 25 from South African countries, and 17 from

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South West Asian ones.

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This is in contrast to 698 from other English-speaking countries, predominantly from the UK.

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These numbers are low, even when you look in terms of proportions of the population.

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It's still under-representation to a staggering degree.

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Oh, boy.

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It's almost like fascists love being cops.

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I was able to find another analysis from 1979, which showed that, quote, if we add the Australian

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and British categories together, we find that all forces are between 94 and 98% Anglo-Saxon.

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So Alex might be alone.

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That's too much.

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But again, that's from 1979, so there is some progress that's been made since then, but

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if you look at the 2008 analysis, it's still showing the same kind of under-representation

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that was marked upon in the 1979 analysis, which leads you to believe that it's probably

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unlikely that since 2008, it's become majority-majority.

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It seems ludicrous.

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Right.

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But I mean, that's also one of the reasons that we got here where we are, is the incremental

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approach isn't cutting it.

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It hasn't cut it, and it's not going to cut it if in 40, 50 years or whatever it is, or

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41 years, we're still at 85%.

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That's not good.

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Incremental shit probably is not the best way to approach things, and also incremental

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things that are solving the wrong problem aren't necessarily the way to go.

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So I can find no evidence that the police in Melbourne are mostly minorities, so I'm

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just going to need Alex to substantiate that, or else I'm going to assume he's making it

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up.

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Also, it doesn't really matter.

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Dolores Jones-Brown, the founder of the Center on Race, Crime, and Justice at the John Jay

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College of Criminal Justice, is quoted by the Police Accountability Project as saying,

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quote, there's a bit of naivete that if you have an officer of color, that officer can't

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engage in racial profiling, and I think all the evidence suggests that it is not the case.

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Jones-Brown goes on to express that the racial bias that's seen in police is primarily likely

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a result of the culture of police departments as opposed to the individual identities of

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officers.

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The Police Accountability Project also cited a 2004 National Research Council study which

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said, quote, there is no credible evidence that officers of different racial or ethnic

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backgrounds perform differently during interactions with citizens simply because of race or ethnicity.

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If you're going to have a police department, it's good to have them not all be from one

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demographic group.

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But if you think the simple act of increasing representative diversity is going to solve

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the underlying problems of police-civilian interactions, you're very naive, and it's

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not the primary problem to be solved here.

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I mean, the police are trained now as a military force.

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Yes.

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You know, when you send an army into wherever, the soldiers, just because they're different

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from different backgrounds doesn't mean they're not all trained to be soldiers who take orders

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and do that same shit.

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It's, you know, it's the fact that they're essentially an invading force.

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The cops, you know.

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It is the bottom line of solving the wrong problem, though, good, you shouldn't have

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complete uniformity of background or in any circumstance, I don't want all librarians

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to be one ethnicity or age group or gender, I don't think that's good, let alone the police.

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What if the only people who were allowed to be librarians were Polynesians?

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Wouldn't that be a weird thing?

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Yeah.

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That'd be like a Pokemon world, where everybody's, yeah, okay.

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So in this next clip we learn, this is kind of interesting, because what I see is Alex

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trying to shift the Black Lives Matter and societal unrest-type narratives into being

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applicable to Bill Gates, which I think is interesting because it doesn't fit, it doesn't

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work for the way Alex categorizes his villains, but he's trying, and I think it's a stupid

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thing to do.

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And now the mission of Black Lives Matter is Planned Parenthood, abort the black babies,

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break out the black families, and abort your babies and break your ass up too.

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It's pure evil, they're running a pirate flag on us, they're run by a lying criminal named

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Bill Gates.

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All right, I'm going to your calls, I just want to say this, I've been so busy with the

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riots and the insanity and all the attacks and everything that's going on that we've

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not ended the big mega sale we had.

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So busy.

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I just expanded it and just said, you know what, gut level, I just think we should sell

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out basically of all our best sellers.

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Strike while the iron's hot.

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Yup.

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Yeah, so I think this is just an attempt to sideline Soros, but with Soros narratives.

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Yeah, I guess.

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I don't, I don't, it's convoluted, I don't think it works very well.

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I don't think his audience is going to be able to follow the threads, but good luck.

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Now all I heard, all I heard in my head was just a voice, in Alex's voice just going,

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stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, I hate you.

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I know this feels good, but it's not, no, not going to work, not going to work, not

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profitable, stop.

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So Alex at the beginning of this episode was bragging about how he was going to take calls,

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going to take so many calls, takes him for fucking ever to get to calls.

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I think it takes maybe five total, something in that ballpark.

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His first caller's from Northern Ireland and this guy, boy, not good.

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And what I'd like to say is it not possible for the likes of Donald Trump to get together

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the best team of editors and researchers put together a six to eight hour video, do a fireside

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chat explaining all the crap that these people have been doing for the past few years, and

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then if it is true that Obama signed an executive order for under certain situations that he

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could take over businesses, then why doesn't then Donald take over CNN and MSN and then

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put that video on there and play it on a loop?

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That's right.

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Trump could do a couple hour fireside chat where he presents all the hoaxes they've run,

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all the lies, expose Soros, expose Antifa, and they would all be done.

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You're absolutely right.

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And I know Trump more and more is moving towards doing that.

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It's to be done, Alex.

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It needs to be done.

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Notice how Fox News wasn't included in his list because they don't need to be taken up.

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They're already, yeah.

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I think I know which side of the troubles he was on.

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This would be a gigantic breach of the First Amendment.

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Oh, would it?

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But Alex doesn't care.

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No.

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He supports his ruler king using the force of the state to make media companies broadcast

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his own propaganda and content.

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That is far, far worse than Twitter banning someone because it's the actual government

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forcing speech.

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Alex doesn't care about his pretend love of the Constitution.

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It's always just been a costume that he wears to make his extreme right-wing militia murder

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fantasies appear to be based in some kind of principle, when in reality they're just

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an expression of his anger at an increasingly integrated and connected world where people

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like him don't have a monopoly on social capital.

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That's all that's going on.

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It's pathetic.

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He must have watched that iconic Apple ad and been like, why did you throw the hammer

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into the TV?

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The nice man was talking.

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He was telling us all how to feel.

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God dammit.

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Yeah.

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I mean, like it's a, it's an interesting swing for him to take, and that is like, I want

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government controlled media Trump Trump's the first amendment because of this Northern

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Irish British nationalist, I want Trump to take over the media.

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This guy from Northern Ireland has another little thought that is very dumb.

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It's scary times.

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It's end times.

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I don't know what it is.

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It's going on.

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I sometimes maybe think Donald's a part of it because if you look at the Illuminati card

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game, his face is in it, and I keep seeing people say enough is enough, and if you look

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at that card, it seems to be his face with the card is enough, is enough.

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I would love for you to check into that, and then I watch your show every day religiously,

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and I'd like an update on that if it was at all possible.

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The Illuminati card game.

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Oh yeah.

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Let's fucking do that.

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Let's have an update on that.

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So this is incredibly weak.

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We've already talked a ton about the Illuminati card game and how if these dumb dumbs want

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to pretend that these cards are real, they have to accept a whole lot of other stuff

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like Godzilla and vampires.

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There is a card in the deck that's titled enough is enough, which depicts a guy yelling,

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but there's no indication that it's Trump, and honestly, it doesn't even really look

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like him.

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The effect of the card is to clear out all zap, paralysis, or freeze effects that have

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been played against you, but you can't move your plot forward in that turn.

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The angry yelling person on the card is basically depicting someone who's had enough of these

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zap, paralysis, or freeze effects, so forgoes a turn because enough is enough.

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It's a ridiculous stretch to pretend that this is Trump or that there's any kind of

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hidden meaning in here.

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I was perusing these blogs that make these arguments, and the same people who speculate

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about this also claim that the jogger card, that was a prediction of the Boston bombing.

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They also claim that the oil spill card predicted the Deepwater Horizon spill, but this completely

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ignores that the Exxon Valdez spill happened prior to the game's release, and there was

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every indication that such a disaster could happen again if people weren't careful, which

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they were being.

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Didn't we see that it never happened again?

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Everybody saw after the Exxon Valdez, all of the people in power took the necessary

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steps to make sure that this never occurred again, and then they put it into a card game

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to prove it to us.

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I will say that of the conspiracies that are floated, particularly by Alex Collars and

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Alex himself, the Illuminati card game based ones are like, I wish you'd just do that.

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That could, I mean, it's frustrating and boring, but at the same time, it's like, all right,

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let's do this.

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You want a time travel, Alex, I fucking wish I'd cut out this clip.

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But Alex starts talking about Steve Jackson games, who made that, and he's like, yeah,

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man, there's a lot of stuff on there.

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Like there's one card that looks like me, there's one that looks like Ron Paul, and

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I think about it and I'm like, did this guy have a time machine?

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Fucking do that, Alex, get into it, prove that Steve Jackson has a time machine, do

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it.

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Like a fucking, like a sermon, like the pastor takes out a single verse to talk to.

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He just pulls out one card for each show, and he's just like, and here's how I'm going

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to prove exactly what this is.

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All right.

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Like Steve Jackson.

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Angels feather.

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Angels are up there.

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Angels be flying around anyways.

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Do the frog god.

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Frog god.

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Yeah.

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I would love it if like Alex just turned Steve Jackson into some kind of man in the

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high castle.

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I think that'd be great.

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Oh God.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, Alex gets to talking about some other news stories about the national guard being

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not welcome in DC hotels and shit.

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Utah national guard troops deployed to DC, evicted from hotel.

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Senator Mike Lee says he discovered 200 that were thrown out last night.

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Now he says it's 1200 confirmed.

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They literally say, we don't want your kind here.

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So the virtue signaling by corporations are we don't want police.

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We don't want military around Legos pulled all of its toys that have police in them.

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And now the left says, that's not enough.

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We want fire department ones pulled.

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We want all.

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And they're like, yes, we'll pull those too.

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Now the fire department's evil.

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So Alex is just repeating inaccurate stories that trace back to propaganda campaigns pushed

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by Trump's social media guy, Brad Parscale and other dumb dumbs like Deanna Lorraine.

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The idea they were putting out was that Lego was removing all these sets that involve cops

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from shelves, which isn't true.

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Lego had sent out an email that right-wing liars were misrepresenting, which led to Lego

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releasing a second statement to clarify saying, quote, we did not pull our product from shelves,

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rather paused digital marketing activity as well as a well-intended gesture to show sensitivity

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for the tragic events of the United States.

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Generations of children have loved playing with the sets in our Lego city line that is

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a constant in our collection.

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Given the tragic events in the United States over the past 10 days, we paused digital marketing

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of sets that could be perceived as insensitive if promoted at this time.

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Statement from Lego.

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We read the room.

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Yes.

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This was an instance of a company correctly recognized that now is not the time for ads

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that involve Lego cops, that those, it could come off as a little gauche.

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They requested affiliates pull any links they had advertising those products and halted

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ad campaigns for said products, but you can still buy them at the store.

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Alex would probably still call this virtue signaling, but it's pretty telling that he

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doesn't even know what the actual story is.

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He only knows the fake outrage bait version that he's picked up from fellow right wing

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bullshit artists.

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And when he says that the left is mad that they're not virtue signaling enough, I went

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and I found that Info Wars story.

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It's just like a list of random tweets.

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A list of random tweets?

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You got us.

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You got the left.

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You got a few tweets.

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I didn't recognize any of the accounts.

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I have no idea what's going on.

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Like if that's the level of game you want to play, everything is meaningless.

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Leftists online, Twitter tweets.

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Any tweet you get that sounds like it might fit your narrative.

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Grow the fuck up if you're so triggered by people having a position on Twitter.

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No, everybody wants a safe space but me.

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I bet if I went through that, I would find accounts with like a hundred followers.

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I bet that's the, I should have done that.

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It takes scouring to, yeah.

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And it's a pointless exercise.

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What you end up with is nothing.

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So as for the Utah National Guard thing, this is being wildly blown out of proportion.

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DC Mayor Muriel Bowser requested that Trump remove federal and military troops who had

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been sent to the city because they were only making things worse and absolutely not going

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to lead to a de-escalation.

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She was clear that troops could stay in the DC hotels until Trump removes them, but that

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DC will not pay for them to be housed.

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This led to them being relocated from one hotel to another.

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US Army Master Sergeant W. Michael Hoch told KSL-TV, quote, some National Guard responders

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were quartering in hotel accommodations which had pre-existing contractual agreements with

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the district.

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Out of respect for existing agreements, those facilities have, with the city government,

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those service members have relocated.

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What this ultimately comes down to is that DC already had contracts with these hotels

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for National Guard members who were responding to COVID-19, but this contract did not apply

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to Guard members who were there to respond to the protests.

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The government of DC didn't evict anyone, they just stopped payment for the housing

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because they hadn't agreed to take it on, and as a result, the affected Guard members

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had to find other lodging.

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There's no scandal here, there's no implications of the Third Amendment like Twitter has been

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having fun with, it's just a bureaucratic billing issue.

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Alex is mixing up numbers here intentionally as well.

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200 was the number of National Guard members from Utah that had to move hotels, which Senator

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Mike Lee was very upset about.

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1200 was the number of DC National Guard members who were activated.

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This declaration that DC wasn't going to pay for housing these National Guard members applied

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to all 5100 people who were activated.

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The 200 number is only relevant because Mike Lee is from Utah and he's the one who made

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a big deal out of this and played the victim in a really embarrassing way.

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Yeah, what a dick.

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I don't see instances of governors of other states who had their Guard activated playing

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a wah-wah act, but whatever.

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Well, everybody's gotta whine if you're a white nationalist.

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Yeah.

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A white nationalist.

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We come towards the end of this episode and I gotta say, I have one piece of bad news

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and then I really love something else that happens.

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I'm going to go ahead and get the bad news out of the way and that is that someone's

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corrected Alex.

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Well, I tell you, how awesome is Bolsonaro?

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God damn it.

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I like him very much.

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So Alex has finally figured out how to pronounce Bolsonaro.

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How awesome is Bolsonaro?

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He just took the data showing how awful he's doing off of this fucking... How can you

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praise Bolsonaro?

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Even the right wing that propped Bolsonaro up in Brazil is like, this guy's a fucking

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murderer.

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Well, it's because his son met Alex at CPAC and talked about how great Alex is.

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That will keep Alex on board despite anything.

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That is true.

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That is true.

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And he was already primed for that because Bolsonaro kept being called Brazil's Trump.

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So Alex just hears that and he's like, fuck yeah, this guy's gotta be awesome.

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Man.

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He doesn't know anything.

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So in this next clip, Alex calls for what he thinks is saying outlaw the Democratic

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Party.

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Sure.

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He thinks that's what he's saying.

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All right.

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But he's not.

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With a knife?

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Liberalism and leftist garbage needs to be outlawed because it's not a free speech system.

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It's about enslaving us just like slavery got outlawed.

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This modern form of slavery better get outlawed.

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I'm pissed, man!

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So I'm sure Alex just thinks that he's calling for the political party he doesn't like to

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be outlawed, which is authoritarian enough, but what he's saying is actually worse.

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The term liberalism doesn't mean liberal or Democrat or anything like that.

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I know Alex loves to quote encyclopedias, so here's the definition of liberalism from

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Encyclopedia Britannica.

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Quote, a political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual

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to be the central problem of politics.

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Individuals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being

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harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to

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liberty.

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The philosopher John Locke came up with the concept of liberalism, which is defined as

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a system based on a social contract, where individuals have rights that governments cannot

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violate.

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When Alex gets on air and argues that liberalism should be outlawed, that has to be heard as

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a call for a totalitarian government, for one that's not based on the concept of individual

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liberty.

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Now, I'm sure that's not what Alex means, but because he has no idea what the words

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he says mean, that is what he's advocating.

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And it makes it all the more hilarious when I tell you this, Jordan, less than a minute

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before he did that...

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He calls himself a classical liberal?

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No, he says this.

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I've got a very high vocabulary.

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Very high.

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Great.

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So...

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Why, don't say that.

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Don't say I have a...

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Don't say anything about your vocabulary.

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So now...

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Use words or don't use them.

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This introduces kind of what I would describe as a segment where Alex tries to play with

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words a little bit.

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No!

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He goes on a pun run?

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No.

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No, you don't.

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He has already botched this liberalism thing.

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He's bragged about his vocabulary and then misused the word liberalism.

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No, everything is a thought crime and his words are fine and perfect.

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Now, here's where it really falls off the rails.

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How?

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People think of oligarch as a bunch of top bureaucrats, but it's always them controlling

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a mob.

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That's the definition of oligarchy, have it right here.

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Or mob rule is the role of government by mob or a mass of people.

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And it goes on.

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Okay, let's get to some more calls here.

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Wow.

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So that is a perfect...

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That was a perfect tone shift of just like, okay, let's get some more calls here.

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That was a huge failure.

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You can tell by the way that Alex trailed off there at the end that he was kind of realizing

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that his gigantic vocabulary was failing him and he was just making up the definition of

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an oligarchy.

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If you consult Merriam-Webster, the definition of oligarchy is quote, government by the few,

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which is kind of the opposite of mob rule.

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What happened here is that Alex didn't realize he was actually reading the definition of

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the word ochlocracy until he was halfway through it.

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And then he just decided to cover his tracks by saying, it goes on.

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It's an easy mistake to make when you don't prepare and you're just talking out of your

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ass.

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I mean, those two words do look similar.

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They both start with an O and they end with a Y, which basically means they're the same

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thing.

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I tried to figure out exactly what happened here and I did get to the bottom of this.

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Alex is just reading the definition of ochlocracy from the top of its Wikipedia page and he

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must have realized that he had the wrong word in the middle of it.

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Jesus Christ.

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As someone who studied ancient Greek in college, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that the

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ends of these two words are a sure sign that they're different.

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Ochlocracy ends in krasi, which comes from the Greek kratos.

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You find this root word in democracy or aristocracy or theocracy.

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It means power in Greek, which is reflected in each of these terms of social structures.

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Democracy is where the kratos, or power, is rooted in the demos, or the people.

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Aristocracy has the power in the aristos, or the excellent, meaning the power lies in

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the hands of the elite.

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Theocracy is where power is rooted in the idea of theos, or God, so you end up developing

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a system where the rule of God controls society.

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Conversely, oligarchy ends in archi, which comes from the word arco, which means to rule.

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Words that end in archi typically reflect the type of rulers there are in a system.

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Oligarchy comes from oligos, which translates to the few.

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It's just descriptive of a system where the few rule the many.

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Aristocracy, meritocracy, or theocracy are subsets of oligarchic systems, because the

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rule of the few can take many different forms, depending on how the few is defined in a particular

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society.

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All right, big word book.

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Alex has a big vocabulary too, Dan, just because he doesn't know other languages.

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Who even speaks Greek anymore?

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These are English words.

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Who even speaks English words anymore, Dan?

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They're too big.

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Those are like four pages of word, is what you're doing right now.

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Other examples of this linguistic pattern are anarchy, or the absence of a ruler.

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There's demarchy, which is a system where rulers and officials are selected from a random

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sampling of the population, making it more of a system where the ruler, the arco, is

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in the hand of the demos, the people, demarchy.

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Monarchy is the system where there is power in the hands of an individual.

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You can go on and on with this line if you want to break down more stuff in words, but

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it's an important thing to remember that words mean things.

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When a system is described using kratos or krasi, it's discussing where the power derives

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from.

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In democracy, the source of power is the people.

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In theocracy, it's God.

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In ochlocracy, it's the mob, or in Greek, ochlos, which is a derisive term for a crowd

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or the rabble.

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When a system is described with a word ending in arco, or in English, archy, it's describing

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who actually is in a power position.

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Monarchy has a few in positions of power, monarchy has the king or queen in a position

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of power, and anarchy has no one in a position of power.

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This is a very basic linguistic distinction that anyone with any grasp on language or

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political science should understand.

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It's staggering to imagine that Alex has been pretending to study political systems for

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twenty plus years, and he doesn't grasp this very elementary thing about how political

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systems are described.

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It's really fucking sad, and probably not as sad as him pretending to know the definition

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of oligarchy, then reading the Wikipedia page for ochlocracy, realizing he makes a mistake

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mid-definition, then bailing while pretending he was right.

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That's a pathetic level of disregard for accuracy, and honestly not very surprising for Alex.

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That's just comically bad.

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This is the sort of thing that I would love for anyone who's curious about Alex, or someone

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who may kind of think that Alex might be right.

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That's the kind of thing that I would really like them to understand.

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He has no idea what he's talking about.

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Yeah, exactly.

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He's bluffing almost all the time, and sometimes he really fucking steps in it like that time.

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He doesn't understand the definition of articles, let alone larger words.

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Yeah, and this is pretty bad.

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This one, this is pretty fine.

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Wait, wait, wait.

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So what does an mean?

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I enjoy this.

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So where do you use a?

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I enjoy this because I also really enjoy the opportunity to explain -

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Flex your Greek?

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No, not really, but I think it's really interesting the way that these suffixes to words or the

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ends of words are important in terms of what they're describing and how you can find these

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patterns within the words.

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It's important if you want to understand what is the difference between a demarchy and a

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democracy.

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What is the fundamental difference?

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They both have demos as the root, which is supplementing the end of the word.

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If you understand it, it helps you understand what things mean, and Alex can't even recognize

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on a fundamental level, first of all, that he has the wrong word, and second, that oligarchy

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is an archy and ochlocracy is a crossy.

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So it's just, I don't know, he's just very stupid.

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He's very, very, very, very, very stupid.

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But I do applaud him, sort of, because he goes to commercial and he comes back and he

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admits -

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He's going to take another swing at it?

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He sort of admits that he got the wrong word.

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Ochlocracy.

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Latin for mob rule in the rule of government by mob or massive people or the intimidation

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of legitimate authorities.

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So Alex has figured out that he was reading the wrong definition from Wikipedia, but he's

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still not correct.

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Ochlocracy derives from Polybius, who was a Greek historian.

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The term was adopted by Latin, but it definitely comes from Greek.

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And the point here is, like, Alex wasn't just randomly reading that definition.

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He was in the middle of a rant about how oligarchy is actually mob rule, then he read this incorrect

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definition.

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I'm glad that he's coming on air and reading the right word, but it completely invalidates

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the prior thing that he was talking about.

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I mean, you could make that argument.

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I can, and I did.

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Yes, okay, well, you did.

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So Alex tries to cover his ass here, and it's silly.

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But really, I find that oligarchs will actually create the mob to then overthrow the legitimate

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government and bring them into power, so I find that oligarchies grow out of the anarchy

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of mob rule, and our founders were more worried about that than anything else.

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So this isn't historically accurate, and the definitions of these words completely escape

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Alex.

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Mob rule and anarchy are absolutely not synonymous, but Alex is acting as if they are.

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It's entirely possible for an anarchist system to be implemented in a stable way, and it

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has literally nothing to do with these signature features of ochlocracy.

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Typically, ochlocracy is not a functional system of affairs, and it's just the sort

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of thing that characterizes a period, as opposed to any kind of stable working order or government.

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Examples like the Salem witch trials and racialized violence like lynch mobs are more what it

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looks like in real life, and it's pretty easy to understand why.

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It's just not a sustainable system where anything coherent could get done.

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You can't pass laws with ochlocracy.

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No, no, no, post-Reconstruction era South worked out perfectly, right?

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It just doesn't work.

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No, it's great, it's great.

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Oligarchies typically do not grow out of anarchy.

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Many theorists believe that oligarchy is actually the natural result of non-rigidally controlled

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social organizations as they grow.

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Eventually, the size of the system will be too large for any kind of effective direct

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representation and an oligarchy will naturally develop.

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This is the basis of Robert Michael's theory, called the Iron Law of Oligarchy, which posited

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that as systems grow, they'll inevitably tend towards oligarchic tendencies.

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I'm not entirely sure if that's accurate, but that's something that a lot of people

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point to.

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It's a pattern.

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It's a pattern that's played out, whether or not you could say that the reasoning behind

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it is sound.

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It's definitely a repetitive thing.

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The point here is that Alex is just making things up and trying to cover his ass because

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he realized that he had no idea what these words meant and he didn't want to admit he

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was wrong because he's too proud.

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He's such that guy.

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You know that everybody knows that guy who, no matter what, just can't...

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I was actually right.

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No, no, no, no.

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I get... But I just misspoke.

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What I was saying was actually right and you're still 100% wrong.

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I'm the smartest guy in this room.

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I looked wrong.

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I have a very big vocabulary.

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Very big.

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Very big vocabulary.

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I believe he actually said, hi, vocabulary.

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Not understanding the word.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's just too proud.

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Too proud.

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Too much of a narcissist.

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We come to the last two clips here.

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They're sort of around the same subject.

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I'm glad that this happened because we get to re-explore the subject of the chessboard

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skull.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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We got to close that down.

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Alex did not intend to get back to this subject.

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That story line cannot go uncircled.

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He gets a call from a former occultist and this lady, this occultist, is not so thrilled

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with Alex's set up on his desk because she is worried that it's possibly a sign that

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Alex is trying to send messages to demons.

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That brings me to something that concerns me and that is something that your camera

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crew has been panning to the right of you and putting as the center of focus instead

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of you multiple times now and I recognize that that could be used as something that

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a voodoo, a budan, Santeria, and people who have ancestor alters and that they worship.

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So it concerns me.

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But ma'am, I put that out there.

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No, no.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I don't know if you were tuned in yesterday.

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I was going to put a chessboard out here and I was going to, let me explain this to you.

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I was going to put a chessboard out here and explain how they're playing both sides off

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against each other and the way to win is not play the game and be aware of the whole thing.

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That's not how you play chess.

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Just real quick.

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That's not how you play chess.

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He's referencing war games and that's about tic-tac-toe, you dumb ass, not chess.

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And then my dad's a doctor.

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He has a skull.

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I thought the game is death.

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Put that there.

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And then Max Kaiser and his girlfriend as a joke sent me flowers that got delivered

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right as I was setting this up.

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What a joke.

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And I said, oh, we'll put some flowers out here and then we'll ask the cube people what's

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the secret message showing how the esoteric stuff and the occult and gnostic stuff is

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all about people projecting onto things what they want to see.

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So that's the whole point of this is this little ensemble all came together that way.

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But I'll come back to you, Dixie, and we'll get to your point.

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So I think what Alex is expressing is that he just chose some random stuff to put out

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there hoping that somebody would start a campaign of accusing him of doing some kind of a satanic

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thing, and then he could be like, no, this is just a demon.

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It's an attempt at trolling people into giving him free publicity, basically.

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And then whenever somebody actually calls in and it comes back to bite him in the ass,

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his explanation is, I wanted people to bring what they brought to it, and she did.

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And now you're all flustered and whiny like a baby.

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You're an idiot.

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And it's a joke that Max Kaiser sent him flowers?

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Is that because Max insulted him so seriously?

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No, Alex explains that I think it's because the two of them are in negotiations about

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Bitcoin.

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Oh, okay.

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All right.

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There we go.

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It might be a part of the sweetening him up process.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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So in this last clip, the same caller, Dixie, the former occultist, explains that Alex,

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this is the way that an occult person might interpret what you've done.

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So what would an occultist see in this?

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First of all, you do have the black and white, and we know that that's been used by occultists,

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those colors.

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And then of course you have a prepared surface, in this case it's a checkerboard.

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The offerings to whatever spirits or whatever, demons or whatever, and of course they wouldn't

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consider them demons necessarily, would be maybe the chest pieces, flowers, of course,

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and certainly the type of flower or the common flower.

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Demons like chest pieces?

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But the most disturbing thing would of course be the skull itself placed on the altar.

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So if you are an occultist, that might be something that you would use specifically

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to gain the favor of some demonic entity, so it kind of makes me a little nervous that

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it's on your desk.

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I know you probably didn't do any invocations or anything like that about it.

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Yeah, sure.

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I don't have that intent, but my intent was to have to be striking.

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Okay.

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I love...

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That is sad.

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That is really pathetic.

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Yes, it is.

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I'm really bummed out by that.

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Alex, you accidentally did something really demonic on your show.

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I didn't mean it.

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I didn't mean it.

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Not even that, he can't even just accept a vulnerability of the like, look, you tried

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something a little creative today and it blew up in your face.

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Just say, I wanted to be creative.

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Look, I've got these flowers, Max gave them to me.

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That's a nice little coincidence.

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There's a skull.

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My dad has a skull.

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That makes me think of my dad.

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There's the chess board.

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That makes me think of the movie War Games with Matthew Broderick in it, and the only

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way to win chess is not to play.

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Everybody knows that.

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You can't do that if you're Alex because it's a tacit admission that you failed.

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Yeah.

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In the way that he's presenting it, he still succeeded because he made something striking

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or whatever.

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If you say, I was trying to be creative and juice things up, but I accidentally too accurately

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made a satanic altar on my show, that kind of looks weird.

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I want more explanation from her about why demons like chess pieces.

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Sure.

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Well, it's because they're little people.

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I would assume.

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Oh, yeah.

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I suppose.

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Little totems.

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That kind of thing.

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Yeah.

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They're like human sacrifices in effigy or whatever.

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Fair enough.

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That's my guess.

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All right.

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What about the horses?

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Yeah.

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I mean, you got to sacrifice a couple of horses.

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Okay.

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That's fair.

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Totally.

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We reach the end of this, Jordan.

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It's so disconnected from reality.

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One more broadcast knocked straight out of the park from Alex.

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That's what I dropped from this one.

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This one, let's put another win on the books.

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Let's take a look at the win column for Alex's shows, 25,000 million in the win column, zero

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in the loss.

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It was so spectacularly disconnected from reality and from things that I find important

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that are going on in the world right now that I might have swung a little bit far in the

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direction of teachable moments, but I think it's something that's relevant.

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I think it's important to understand.

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I mean, the way Alex lies, the way he tries to feign expertise about things, the moment

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that I really think is the most shocking for me is that moment when he reassures himself

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about the Bill Gates, Ronny Epstein narrative, because that's where you can see him like,

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all right, I'm going to go with it.

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Almost give in to the natural flow of his life.

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That's what he did.

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Yeah.

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I figured it out.

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It's almost like him resisting for a moment, but giving into the momentum of his own narratives.

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It's a shocking kind of glimpse if you look at it that way, because it almost makes it

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seem like he's powerless over the whims of his narratives.

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He's a slave to his own narratives.

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Well, that's a great way to reinvent slavery right there.

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It's kind of a bummer, but I'm not happy for him.

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It also doesn't excuse anything.

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It's just kind of sad.

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He's just a piece of shit.

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Yup.

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So we'll be back, Jordan, but until then, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yup.

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We're also on Facebook.

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We are on Facebook.

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We're also on Twitter.

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It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight and at Go To Bed Jordan.

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Yup.

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And if you would like to download the show, go to iTunes, and if you want, please find

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a local charity in your neighborhood.

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Please donate to a bail fund.

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Please donate to supplies, anything that you can.

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We're all in this.

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Yup.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZXClark.

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I have a high, perhaps the highest, vocabulary.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.