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Hey, everybody.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes.

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Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed, we are Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan?

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Jordan.

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Dan?

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Jordan.

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Uh, let me ask you a quick question.

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Love it.

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Do you have a favorite gospel song?

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Gospel song?

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Gospel.

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Like, do you remember...

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Did you go to a church with, like...

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Awkward Christian soldiers?

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No, not a hymn.

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Marching into your...

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Not a hymn.

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Not a hymn.

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Okay.

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Like, did you ever go to a church with a full-on gospel choir?

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Aw, God is an awesome...

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God, he reigns from heaven above with...

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Is that one a gospel?

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Is that just a shitty song, though?

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Yeah.

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That's the one that sticks out in my head.

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Yeah.

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Like, we sang that every single week.

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Oh, really?

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Like, sometimes there would be alternations.

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No.

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Of, like, the hymns that we'd sing, but that one was, like, every...

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That was a mainstay at Woodcrest Chapel in Columbia, Missouri.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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That one was big.

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I don't know, man.

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I don't know about gospel songs, but, like, when you bring that up, it makes me think

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of, like, the Christian music that I used to listen to back when I was...

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Did you used to listen to, like, full-on Christian...

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Loved it.

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Oh, like what?

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Like, DC Talk, who was my favorite.

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Oh, DC Talk was huge!

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But I didn't like them that much.

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Yeah.

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I was much more into the Christian ska, so, like, the Five Iron Frenzy was pretty big,

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the O.C. Supertones.

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Oh, did not know that they were Christian.

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Insiders, with a Z.

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Insiders.

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Yeah.

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They were a little bit more, like, they had a little bit more swing to them, but there

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was a little bit of a swing slash ska thing to the Insiders.

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I gotcha.

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I gotcha.

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But, yeah, I was big into them.

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I went and saw Five Iron Frenzy and Supertones together.

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Okay.

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Went to a big concert.

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Yeah.

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It was pretty lame.

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Yeah.

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Well, yeah.

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My first two concerts...

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Well, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Spoiler alert.

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My first two concerts that I went to live, Five Iron Frenzy and the O.C. Supertones,

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two Christian ska bands.

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Next one, Wu-Tang Clan.

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Little bit of time in between those.

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It's a little bit of wide breadth of, yeah.

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I like a man with a large number of experiences.

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Sure.

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I went back...

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How about like Switchfoot?

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Did you ever listen to that?

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I don't think so.

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That nonsense?

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It probably did.

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Or is that Lightfoot?

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No, not Gordon Lightfoot.

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Switchfoot sounds right, no.

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Switchfoot sounds right.

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You had the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, I don't think I listened to too much of the rock, the Christian rock stuff, although

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I undoubtedly did.

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Like I'm sure I did, but it just doesn't stick out in my memory.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There's these really weird, niche Christian music ones and things that really stick out.

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I was actually into the Christian ska, and I've gone back and listened to some of it,

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and some of it holds up.

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Still bangs?

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I don't know if it bangs, but some of it is still pretty good.

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It's listenable, at least.

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I know everyone out there is rolling their damn eyes at me, but I think some of it is

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still...

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There's a couple of Five Iron Frenzy songs that I think hold up, even if you...

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You can listen to them almost outside of it being religious.

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Right.

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But the luxury of ska is that people are going to roll their eyes at you if you even say

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ska is listenable.

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So you don't even need to worry about the Christian part.

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That is a fair point.

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The other ones that stick out to me are, there was a Christian reggae group that did an album

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called Christafari.

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No, that's against the law.

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That's against the law.

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There is a law against that.

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Christafari.

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Terrible, terrible, terrible stuff.

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There was the other, there was a rapper named T-Bone that I remember.

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Okay.

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Oh God.

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Bad times.

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He'll bite into the devil like a T-Bone.

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It was bad times.

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Oh man.

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I listened to a lot of that.

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So no, I don't know.

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I don't remember any particular gospel songs, but a lot of Christian music I used to listen

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to.

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Christian music for white people was rough.

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Yeah.

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Except for the ska.

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Except for the ska.

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Anyway, I know a lot about Christian ska and Alex Jones.

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And I don't know anything about it either.

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That's what our show is about today.

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I'm going to tell you all.

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I'm going to go track by track through.

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My evil plan to save the world, the OC super, now those five iron frenzy album.

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God damn.

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Anyway.

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Jordan, today we are back in the past 2013, continuing our investigation of Alex Jones's

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behavior after the tragedy at Sandy Hook.

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And in particular, we are now locked in the middle of the events of the unfolding of the

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aftermath of the, I'm going to try and stretch this out.

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Yeah, I can see that.

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The Boston bombing.

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We're in the aftermath of the Boston bombing.

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Today we're going over April 19th, 2013, which is the day that everything happens.

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Everybody figures it out.

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They catch the guys.

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They do the whole, or this is the manhunt.

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As we discussed on our last episode, which was April 18th, that was the day that the

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FBI released the images of the suspects.

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So we now know as Tamerlan and Johar Zarnov.

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But so that was on the 18th and then overnight shit just blows up and then the 19th is completely

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it's absolute chaos.

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Not absolute chaos really, but it's when the city is, everyone is, there's a shelter in

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place request.

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People are staying indoors.

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There's the manhunt going on.

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So that's the day that we're covering today.

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I think this is one of the weirder episodes of Alex's show that I've heard in a very long

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time.

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I mean that was one of the weirder days, so you know, that's expected.

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But here's what I want to say.

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Weird can mean a lot of different things.

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This was an unexpected episode.

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All right.

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Alex never quite gives you exactly what you think you're going to find.

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And we will see.

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So I'm assuming an apology and no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not, that's outside

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the realm of possibility.

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Okay.

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I'm sorry.

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But we'll get into this here in a moment.

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But before we do, Jordan, we got to take a moment to say thank you to some people who

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have signed up and are sporting the show.

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I love those people.

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Yeah.

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So first of all, Jacob, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Jacob.

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Next, Amber, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Amber.

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Thank you, Amber.

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Alicia.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Alicia.

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Next.

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Silly Goose.

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Who?

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What?

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Maria Bamford.

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Silly Goose.

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I thought this was a reference to the Untitled Goose Game.

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No, not yet.

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I heard you loved that review of it.

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In the Atlantic.

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It was a popular one.

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Everybody was overjoyed to read that.

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Now, next, Javelina or Havelina, I'm not entirely sure, but whichever is correct, you are now

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a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you very much, Javelina or Havelina.

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Next.

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Anika.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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We appreciate that very much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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And Jimmy, thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate.

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That's fantastic.

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Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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We got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you.

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Thank you so much, Old Man Coyote, Steven, and Jimmy.

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Yes.

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And regretfully, we inform you that Old Man Coyote has eaten Steven and Jimmy.

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They were in the city.

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We did get Old Man Coyote a house phone, though.

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That's true.

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That's nice.

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It's all going to work out.

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It's all good.

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It'd be lovely.

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So we jump in, Jordan, and we find out.

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I know that recently Alex has been saying a lot of things are unprecedented.

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Is anything unprecedented today?

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Ladies and gentlemen, what we are seeing right now is just unprecedented here in the United

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States.

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Again, my friends, it is Friday, April 19th.

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So unprecedented.

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Unprecedented in the United States.

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The United States that had 9-11, that United States.

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Everything is unprecedented.

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The United States that is very precedented in this exact circumstance.

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There's an interesting thing, too, because even if he's talking about the city of Boston

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being on lockdown, that's not even unprecedented.

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No, that's not unprecedented.

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Months prior, Governor Deval Patrick called for everyone to stay inside because of a winter

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storm.

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It said that people who were caught driving on the streets could be arrested or fined.

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So this is not even - I didn't hear Alex talk about that.

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Not even in a different year.

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So nothing's unprecedented.

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Everything is quite unprecedented.

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Yes, very much so.

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So on our last episode covering this coverage that Alex has of the Boston bombing, we heard

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him utterly convinced that the pictures he'd found on 4chan had cracked this case wide

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open, and that the media and the globalists were in a mad scramble to keep their false

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flag operation together.

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His certainty was, naturally, based on nothing other than his own imagination, but the effect

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was clear.

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He was blowing up in popularity, and he loved it.

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His ratings were through the roof, traffic was coming into the website like crazy.

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He'd send his reporter Dan Badandi out to disrupt Boston officials' press conferences,

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and he was successfully able to yell about false flags and say Infowars.com at multiple

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internationally televised events, including the one on the 18th where the FBI released

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the photographs of the two suspects, who were still, at that point, unidentified.

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While Badandi's yelling had the effect that it was going for, which was driving tons of

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traffic to Alex's site, that press conference had another important effect that was ultimately

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far more relevant to the real world.

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April 18th was the day that everything broke wide open.

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For days since the bombing, the perpetrators had every reason to think that they'd gotten

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away with the attack.

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They'd return to their normal lives, and if I were them and I'd just seen the internet,

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I'd probably think I was in the clear, too.

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That changed at 5.20pm on the 18th when the FBI released their photos.

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The illusion of safety was gone, and they knew it was only a matter of time before someone

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called a tip line and said they recognized them, and then the jig was up.

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And thus began 24 hours of complete chaos.

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At 10.31pm, MIT police officer Sean Collier is murdered sitting in his car, which investigators

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determined was an attempt on these guys to get another gun.

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This murder happened very close to an armed robbery that happened at a convenience store.

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So earlier reports got the two of them mixed up, and people thought they were connected,

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but they weren't.

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That was another thing that is sort of part of the conspiracy canon, but Alex doesn't

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even actually...

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Such a ridiculous coincidence, too.

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Yeah.

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But it kind of makes sense.

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I mean, you're in a metropolitan area, there is going to be another unrelated crime.

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No, of course.

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But it's like there's, you know, have you ever picked up the phone and somebody was

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on the other line?

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It's so weird and disconcerting, but there's a billion people making a phone call at any

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given point in time.

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Somebody has to do it.

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Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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It's possible, and it happens.

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You ascribe significance to it where there may not be a significance.

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Yeah, it's just weird.

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Yeah.

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Though they didn't steal anything from that convenience store, the bombers did hijack

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a guy's SUV less than an hour later at 11.20pm, holding the driver hostage with them.

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They would go to a gas station where the younger bomber is caught on security cameras shopping

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for a bunch of snacks.

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He would later tell detectives that their plan was to drive to New York and set off

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another bomb there.

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This plan would be derailed by the SUV's owner escaping the car and running to a different

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nearby convenience store where he would call the police.

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You can easily find security camera footage of the driver running into that store terrified,

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hiding behind the counter and calling the police, telling them that he'd been carjacked

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by men claiming to be the bombers and that his car had a GPS system that they could track.

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You can also easily find footage from the same time of the older bomber coming into

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the gas station to tell the younger brother that the driver had escaped and it was time

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to go.

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The younger guy drops all his snacks and they run out back to the car to leave.

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Later in this episode, Alex and a caller will discuss how the bombers were in a Mercedes

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and how that's really suspicious.

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They're trying to speculate about how did they get this money.

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They were driving a Mercedes because they stole it.

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They stole it from this guy.

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It was this SUV that they stole.

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So what's the one lesson we can learn from the Boston bombing?

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It's steal an older car.

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Sure.

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I don't know if that's the lesson.

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Are you sure?

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I'm pretty sure.

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Okay.

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The police track that SUV to an address in Watertown and units are dispatched.

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The first responding officer spots the vehicle but is told not to engage until his supervisor

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arrives.

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He follows the SUV.

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Then around 12.41 a.m. the driver of the SUV gets out, approaches his car and starts shooting.

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The shootout lasts approximately eight minutes with both sides exchanging gunfire and one

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of the bombers throwing IEDs at the police, which Alex will later misidentify as grenades.

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He does that in order to say like, how would they get their hands on grenades?

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Those are super hard to get.

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They didn't.

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They made IEDs, which is well within the range of their proven capabilities.

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It's like their thing, honestly.

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At 12.49 a.m. the older brother is tackled by police after he appears to have run out

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of bullets.

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The officers attempted to get him subdued and in custody, but while they were getting

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him handcuffed, the other bomber drives right at them.

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The officers manage to jump out of the way, but the older bomber is run over as his partner

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escapes.

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So just before 1 a.m. the shootout in Watertown had come to an end.

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The older bomber is taken to the hospital where he's pronounced dead.

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They run his fingerprints and learn that his name is Tamerlan Tsarnaev and with this information

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they're able to identify his partner, his younger brother Johar.

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Neutralizing one suspect is probably a good thing, all things considered, but it would

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be hard to consider this night's events a good result.

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One officer had been severely injured and another had sustained injuries that would

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end up killing him approximately a year later.

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Though one suspect was down, police were unsuccessful in giving chase to Johar, who disappeared

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into the night on foot after abandoning his vehicle about half a mile from the site of

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the shootout.

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Police went to work immediately, attempting to establish a perimeter.

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All points bulletins were sent out and bomb squads were called in to neutralize the unexploded

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IEDs that the brothers had left at the scene in Watertown.

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News of the flare-up broke real quick and almost immediately the Watertown Police Department

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is inundated with tons of reports of suspicious individuals, all of whom they look into and

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find unrelated to the search for Johar.

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In this 24-hour span the department receives over 500 calls to 911, as opposed to their

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normal daily average of 30.

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These people were dealing with an overwhelming situation where a community that had been

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on edge for days was now looking to them to protect them from a rogue individual on the

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loose.

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And it's easy to look at the situation and say that this was just one young man on the

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loose.

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What's the need for such a panic?

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Why do you need such a massive police response, as we're going to end up seeing?

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And I can see why someone would have that knee-jerk reaction, but the reality is not

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so simple.

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At the time it was very unclear if this was just one kid on his own that they were after.

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For one thing, this was a kid who had bombed the Boston Marathon, who had been involved

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in the murder of a police officer, and when confronted by additional cops, he responded

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by throwing IEDs at them.

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This is a person who -

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And he killed his brother.

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Well, yeah, maybe not intentionally, but -

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Not intentionally, but he did.

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Yeah.

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He just did.

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Yeah.

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Which is like a, you know -

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From my understanding, it's kind of up in the air about whether or not he would have

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died anyway.

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He'd been -

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For sure.

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Like, Chamberlain had been shot a bunch of times.

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For sure.

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Yeah, but whatever the case, like, you don't know what this dude is capable of.

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Exactly.

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He could be one guy on the loose, but that guy could have a cache of bombs, and every

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minute that he's on the loose, that could be the minute that a hospital or a T station

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is blown up.

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Yeah.

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Or he could be, you know, if you see a big thing like the Boston bombing, there's no

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way that you're going to think, oh, it's just two lone people.

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There has to be some sort of connection to some sort of network.

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How did they get all this information?

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All that shit.

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You can't rule that out until you have any information on it.

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No.

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And, yeah, it was a bit up in the air at that point.

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Exactly.

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And you can't let him - if he has accomplices, you cannot allow him to regroup.

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Absolutely not.

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You can't let this person get back to whatever cell, for lack of a better term.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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If there was one, which we know now there wasn't, but that's not the point.

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You didn't know that then.

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The risk that could come from that is intense, and if you're able to catch the person before

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they're able to regroup, there's a possibility of disrupting the larger cell.

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If there is one, there's a lot of reasons why you would need to treat this as if it's

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a possible worst-case scenario, because the worst-case scenario is terrible.

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So at 1.57 a.m., the Watertown PD sends out an emergency message to the residents of the

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town asking them to stay inside their homes and report anything that might be helpful

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in their manhunt.

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This obviously is a very scary development, but honestly, given the circumstances, I'm

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not sure there was a good option.

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And an important distinction needs to be made.

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At this point, the message to stay indoors was not a mandatory order, and it was very

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localized to the area directly surrounding the morning shootout.

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People could go outside if they wanted to, but they also ran a very high likelihood of

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a neighbor seeing them and they're wandering around at 2 a.m.

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What are they doing out there?

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That's suspicious to a neighbor.

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911!

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This happened to at least one person mentioned in the police report who was questioned and

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released, so it's not like the police had a standing order that you'd be shot if you

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went outside, which is kind of what Alex would like you to think.

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Right, right, right.

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They set up turrets around every checkpoint and there are sniper people walking down the

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street.

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Nonsense.

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By 2.30 a.m., a unified command center is set up outside Arsenal Mall, an outlet shopping

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center in Watertown.

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The center serves as a hub for coordination between Watertown PD, neighboring area police

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departments who have come in to help, as well as the FBI and the Massachusetts Emergency

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Management Agency.

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Over 1,000 individual law enforcement officers are on hand to deal with the crisis, and by

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the end of the day, more than 2,500 officers will have been involved in some capacity in

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the situation.

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At 4.15 a.m., the Massachusetts Emergency Management Agency and Governor Deval Patrick

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authorized the Massachusetts National Guard to deploy armed military police into Watertown.

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This is another important distinction here because the authorization didn't come from

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FEMA or the federal government.

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This was a state-level decision, which really punches holes in any kind of states' rights

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anti-government angle to this response because that's well within the governor's mandate.

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They can call out National Guard for emergency situations.

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Right.

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If this had happened in Texas, the Texas governor could also have not called in the National

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Guard.

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It is up to them.

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More likely would not have.

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Exactly.

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It would have been out there with a fucking group of vigilantes.

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Right, the discussion of whether or not it's the right decision or the most efficient decision

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is not really my interest.

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The point is it was a state decision, which all the arguments about this being the federal

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government coming in, it's absolutely not true.

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As the morning comes, 120 military police officers are sent out to assist local authorities

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in house-to-house searches, which have been authorized, again, by the proper channels.

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At 5.15 a.m., the governor of Massachusetts and the mayor of Boston have a conference

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call with the Unified Command Center and decide they need to suspend mass transit services

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temporarily and put out a shelter-in-place request, effectively putting the area into

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lockdown.

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This is the closest thing to martial law, as we've seen in the United States for a long

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time.

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It would be easy to see this as the fulfillment of Alex's prophecies, but it wasn't.

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This was a very severe but probably necessary law enforcement action, because what if Johar

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had been part of a larger cell?

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Or what if he wasn't, but him being on the loose led to him bombing a train the next

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morning?

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The worst-case scenario of not doing whatever needed to be done to catch him that night

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would be an unacceptable risk to take, and it would have been negligent of the police

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to not do this how they did, or at least that's my position on it.

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And it seems like the residents of Boston agree.

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WBUR did a survey a year later in April 2014 and found that 83% of respondents believed

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that the police putting out a shelter-in-place request was the right decision.

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That support is crazy high.

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That's ridiculous.

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In the United States, you would have expected 50% to be like, why didn't we all get bombed?

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Fine, whatever.

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And that number crossed party lines, too, which is crazy interesting.

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So it seems like the people who are most affected by this agree that it was like the police

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acted appropriately.

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Yeah, I can see an argument against it.

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I can understand that conversation, but it can only be had in hindsight.

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And so we can apply some of those lessons to maybe future circumstances.

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But I think no one involved acted in bad faith in any way.

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Which is why probably so many people agree that it was a good idea, because everybody

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was really trying to do good.

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Which is rare, especially from the cops.

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If you read the after-action report that the authorities all collaborated on and put out,

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there is a lot of very valid criticism, particularly about weapon discipline.

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Particularly in the case of the Watertown shootout, when they were trying to stop Johar's

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car leaving, trying to shoot out the wheels or whatever, they ended up creating a lot

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of crossfire possibilities.

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There are circumstances like that that the police definitely didn't operate how they

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should have, but at the same time, they weren't doing it because they were trying to fuck

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around.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It's more an instance of, like, we need better training so they know not to create possible

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risk situations like this.

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I want them to learn from this.

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I don't want to get into this, like, you guys are evil for this specific circumstance.

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There are so many other ones.

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Like I mentioned, 911 operators got a ton of tips during this time, and one of the more

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relevant ones had to do with a suspicious person carrying a package who got into a taxi.

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The police end up finding out that this taxi driver is on the terrorist watch list, and

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this immediately becomes a huge deal.

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The taxi was en route to the South Station, which is a hub for both Massachusetts mass

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transit and Amtrak.

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Taxi service is suspended in the city by 9 a.m.

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It's suspended earlier, but by 9 a.m.

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It's determined that the taxi driver in question, they'd misspelled his name, and it wasn't

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the person on the terrorist watch list.

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I hate everyone, of course.

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Of course!

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This will not be the only time in this story that appropriate data entry skills would have

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saved people a lot of time, which leads me to my next point, which is that data entry

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workers need to be respected and paid better.

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I agree.

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We also should probably have more cultural training about how to spell different names.

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Perhaps.

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The day goes on, and the police keep coming up empty, and that's where things stand as

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Alex gets on air.

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The previous night had been a completely chaotic nightmare, with the murder of a police officer,

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a shootout in a residential neighborhood, and the request for a metropolitan area to

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stay indoors while police and National Guard carry out their search.

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It's almost like a ball being set up on a tee for Alex.

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He's spent his entire career talking about how fake terrorist attacks are being used

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to bring in martial law, and now he's determined that a terrorist attack was a false flag,

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and the response has been to enact something that he would call martial law, though it's

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not even close to the actual thing if you get down to all the details.

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Of course.

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If there ever was a day when it felt like Alex would be going buck wild, it should be

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this.

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He's literally on air while the manhunt is going on, while Boston is in his shelter in

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place request.

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So that's easy.

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So the way you set that up, I assume we're going to get not that, and some weird ass

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shit instead.

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I don't know.

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I guess we'll find out.

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Oh, you're so clever.

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Here's Alex getting into some of the stories.

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I just talked to our reporter, Dan Badandi, that is at Lexington Green.

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We're Oath Keepers.

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We're trying to get through to Stuart Rhodes right now.

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We're Oath Keepers.

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Go ahead and get Dan Badandi on if we can't get ahold of Stuart Rhodes.

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Where they're being told the police have revoked the permit for them to have a oath taking

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ceremony to defend the Bill of Rights and Constitution because that is the enemy now

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that the occupiers hate.

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And of course, they revoked their permit to demonstrate, but the anti-gun group that got

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their permit revoked, they are allowed to take Lexington Green and make all sorts of

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red coat Bloombergian announcements.

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That's happening while Boston and surrounding cities in Massachusetts into Connecticut have

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martial law declared.

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So he's bringing up the martial law, so that's good, although he's not really getting into

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it so much.

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It's kind of just window dressing to talk about the Oath Keepers not being able to have

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their rally.

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Yeah, I'm fine with that.

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And he's talking about this as like they don't have a permit, but these counter protesters

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are fine.

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And by definition, counter protesters don't need permits.

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That's part of the whole right of free assembly thing that's in the Constitution Alex loves

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so much.

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I don't know if they like that Constitution anymore.

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When a group plans to use public space to hold a rally or a protest, they do need to

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apply for a permit because they're the ones who wish to use the public space for their

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own purposes.

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If the counter demonstrators wanted to hold a competing rally of their own in a park near

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Lexington Green, for example, then they would need a permit for that.

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This was the case with the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, where counter groups

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plan to hold a rally for, quote, racial justice, harmony and the end of white supremacy at

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Justice and McGuffey Parks, which are near the park where the right wing groups planned

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their rally.

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And they needed a permit, which they had.

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This is just simple civics.

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The people counter demonstrating the Oath Keepers don't need permits because their event

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is really just a natural extension of the Oath Keepers event, not an event in its own

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right.

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I just heard a million right wing people scream in terror whenever you said this is simple

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civics.

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They don't like it.

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It's hard to understand.

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This is not an example of favoritism or anything like that.

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It's just how permitting works.

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So it's nonsense, but it seems to be one of the things Alex is mostly focused on.

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Also, I'm not sure if Alex has ever consulted a map before, but Boston is not close to Connecticut.

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I just heard a million conservatives scream out when you said map.

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Boston is a coastal city on the Atlantic.

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And if you were to say which other state is closest to it, you'd probably go with New

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Hampshire or Rhode Island.

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Connecticut is really close to Springfield, Massachusetts.

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But for Alex to claim that this martial law is extending into Connecticut, he's really

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just saying something absurd.

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He might as well just say that all of New England is under lockdown, which I imagine

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he would love to try and imply.

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Nobody can lock down Maine, and so they will never be locked down.

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So you can't say all of New England.

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You can get all of it, but...

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But Maine.

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Yeah.

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The reason that Alex thinks this extends to Connecticut is because he doesn't understand,

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nor does he care to understand, the things that he reads.

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At 7.15am, the police received that tip about the person with the suspicious package in

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the taxi.

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You know that one?

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Yes.

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With spelling.

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They were going to South Station, which includes, like I said, the mass transit and Amtrak service.

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Right.

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If you allowed a bomb to get there, you're essentially ending fucking transportation

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and costing billions upon billions of dollars.

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Right.

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And part of their investigation was that they had a train that they believed that this person

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got onto on the South Station.

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So they tracked that train to Norwalk, Connecticut, which was the next stop that they were able

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to stop the train at and search it.

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So they stopped this train in Norwalk, and the Metro Police and Norwalk Police Department

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searched it.

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There's no extension of checkpoints or martial law to Connecticut.

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It was just this stop where the police were able to intercept the train that they had

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a tip that the person might have been on.

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It was all resolved by 9am, and Alex has no reason to take that kernel of information

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and use it to pretend that this shelter in place request the police put out extended

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past the Boston suburbs.

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It's a real unfortunate situation because they really had an opportunity to have a fight

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on top of a moving train, and it just turned out it wasn't the guy.

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So you win some, you lose some.

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I like that you think that's an opportunity.

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You never get to have a fight on a train.

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I don't know.

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Not outside of movies do you ever get a good fight on a moving train.

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Yeah, there's a reason why.

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Yeah, probably.

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So Alex has been saying that this is a false flag pretty consistently throughout all of

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his coverage.

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Sure.

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He's sort of waffling a tiny bit, but also in a way that's still demonstrating that he

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thinks it's certainly a false flag.

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Sure.

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It's weird.

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Okay.

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There's a hedging going on, but it's almost a meaningless hedging, and I mean, there is

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a 1% chance, maybe a 3% chance, maybe even a 5% chance that they're real organic Muslim

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terrorists who kind of pick up on the hype of all of this war on terror and go out and

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basically copycat.

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So that is a factor.

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This could be a real terror attack, as I've said from day one, it's a very low probability.

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But then why do you have the big drill with guys with backpacks everywhere, right around

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where it happened, staring, and then you had another patsy, they said they arrested and

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it was going to be the redneck, and then they had to abandon that and go with plan B, and

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they've got meeting with a shoddy ambassador or foreign minister, and, oh, I thought it

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was the right-wingers, the media said.

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So he's saying there's a 1% to 3% to 5% chance that this was real, which is a strange swing,

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but all the stuff that he's saying, but then why blank, is all just in his head.

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That's all just imaginary stuff.

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So all of the reasons that you have for that 95% certainty that it's a false flag is just

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imagined.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Look, it's a 1%, maybe 5% chance, but why are all the Bs still inside my eyes then,

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huh?

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So it's weird.

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It's weird to hear this sort of, why would he, unprompted, add a greater possibility

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that it's a real event?

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I don't know.

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It just got five times more likely that it's a real event.

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500%.

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In one second.

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Yeah.

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That's fast.

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That's pretty strange.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't understand why.

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I mean, it's still meaningless.

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He's still saying it's a false flag, but it's very weird.

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Functionally, does he see a difference between there being a 1% and a 5% chance?

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No.

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Of course not.

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No.

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Anyway, he gets on to talking about how he's been right this whole time covering this event.

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If you go back to Monday afternoon when I went into overdrive on air to break down what

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I thought was going to end up happening at the Boston Marathon, you'll find that as usual,

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we were on target with a spectrum of analysis because I've seen this over and over again.

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I said, if there was a drill and if there's a bunch of federal agents around where the

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bombing happens.

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He goes on from there and just trails off.

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He goes on to another thought.

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We know, because we listened to the episode from that Monday, that Alex was not right

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on target when he was in overdrive.

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It was mostly him just yelling with Richard Belzer about how he thinks this was a false

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flag and trying to find any little piece of information to justify that belief.

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One of his interns told him it was Patriots Day, so he ran with that.

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Rob Dews and his brother left the marathon from dehydration, so Alex ran with and embellished

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that.

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He was not right on target.

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He was constructing a narrative, and he was doing it very sloppily.

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In that clip we just heard, Alex says, quote, if there was a drill, if there were military

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all around, and then he trails off and goes off to another topic without laying out what

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the then part is of this if-then statement.

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But we know what it is.

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It's implied.

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Then it's a false flag.

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Exactly.

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And every single person listening to Alex's show knows that without Alex saying it.

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It's an axiom of info wars.

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And this is where deception is kind of built.

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Because Alex knows that his audience has internalized this if-then relationship, he knows that a

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shortcut to proving that something was a false flag, proving in heavy quotes, all he has

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to do is just create the perception there was a drill going on at the same time.

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Understanding this dynamic goes a long way toward understanding why Alex is so prone

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to accept complete bullshit when it helps him get where he needs to go.

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He has absolutely no ability to prove that the bombing was a false flag.

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It's just not possible.

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But his audience has accepted the implied relationship between a drill and a false flag,

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so all he has to do is prove that, that there was a drill, which I would argue he still

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has failed to do.

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This kind of puts into context why he accepts all this completely flimsy evidence of a drill

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and then extrapolates that stuff out far past what's reasonable to.

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He's done this with a school safety drill in a completely different city to assert that

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Sandy Hook was a false flag.

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He's done this with a corporate training lecture he's pretending was a drill to assert that

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the 7-7 bombing in London was a false flag.

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He does this all the time because he knows that the appearance of a drill is enough to

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convince most of his audience.

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It's a shortcut.

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That's all this is.

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Yeah, I'm guessing that after his long career in the TV industry, Bells is a little bit

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annoyed that he didn't get a story credit on the whole false flag theory there, because

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I'm telling you, he collaborated, man.

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He got some good ideas in there.

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I don't know.

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I think he was more the guy in the writer's room who was like, that's good.

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He still gets a story credit?

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Fine.

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He gets a with assistance by assistant executive producer credit at best.

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I'll take it.

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Sure.

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So Alex is, you know, he's convinced still no matter what that they were planning on

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blaming right wingers, which he expresses in this next clip.

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Ladies and gentlemen, they were going to go with the right wing tea party.

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Axelrod on Tuesday night said it's going to be right wing.

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It's lone wolf.

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It's one guy.

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It's on record.

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We're going to play those clips later.

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In case you missed them.

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It doesn't.

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Then they had all the Democratic operatives on Wednesday come out on MSNBC, CNN, you name

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it.

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And they said, ladies and gentlemen, it is the right wingers.

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We're not liberties exactly yet, but yes, it's a right wing, probably a soldier.

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I watched CNN, MSNBC last night before I went on air live on the nightly news at seven.

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And I saw CNN with three different hosts and guests all say it's going to be a veteran.

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It's going to be a Navy seal.

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Now do you understand that?

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Where'd you hear Navy seal first?

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You heard it here and no one heard it here.

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You heard it here, nowhere else.

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You heard it here.

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Cause it's not real.

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Yeah.

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Alex doesn't play any of these clips.

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No, but they would all prove what he was saying.

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Yeah, he doesn't.

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He doesn't.

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I'm not saying that people didn't speculate stuff.

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Yeah.

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Like the Navy news programs, you know, the filling the 24 hour cycle is tough and a lot

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of people say a lot of, uh, dumb shit.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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So someone, someone on MSNBC, someone on CNN saying, is it possible entirely possible?

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Absolutely.

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Alex doesn't play any of those clips.

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None.

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So whatever.

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This is such an example of why there's no point in engaging with this at all because

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it's like, Oh, they didn't say that it was going to be a right winger.

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Uh, yeah, but they were going to, so they might as well have fucking fine.

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Right.

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You know, you know, who else said all this stuff?

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George Norie when you were on coast to coast day, Alex is also pretty worried that Facebook

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is getting some serious and it turns out weirdly prescient.

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This is a consistent concern of his.

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So in 2013 and 2018, 2019, Alex is that just trying to get right wing people off Facebook

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and what have you.

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It's much more specific in 2013 we're being censored all over, all over the place officially.

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This is pouring in and we've tried to post our articles on Facebook and they're being

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blocked.

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People are getting errors posting our stuff to Facebook.

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You cannot publish this link because it contains a dangerous link.

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They're not saying we're dangerous.

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Users tried to publish our article Navy seal spotted at Boston marathon.

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We're getting all the screenshots of this wearing suspicious backpacks.

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So the problem about misinformation after the Boston bombing was far from an isolated

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incident an issue with just related to info wars and the absence of official solid information.

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You know that that's kind of what led Alex down the road that he is on.

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Right.

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That also affected a lot of independent actors with motivations that we can really only guess

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at.

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Some people were willfully trying to mislead people like Alex, you know, for attention.

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There were cottage industry conspiracy blogs that were trying to drive traffic who were

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posting the same kind of stuff, but there were also people who are likely just trying

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to cause chaos.

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Yeah.

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There were people creating fake profiles for the Sarnav brothers on social media, attempting

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to inject their own details into the conspiracy theories about the attack because humans are

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fucked up.

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This was something that was very much on the rise at the time, tons of fake accounts for

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Aurora shooter James Holmes and the murdering cop Christopher Dorner had been created.

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Some probably as jokes, but some probably more malicious and intention.

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NBC news reported that many of these accounts were being used to spread the conspiracy theories

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themselves about the bombing.

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Yeah.

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Why not?

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Another thing that was happening at the time was that botnets were using fake articles

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about the bombing to spread spam and malware, hoping to capitalize on the public's hunger

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for information about what had happened.

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Cisco put out a warning that this was happening and warned that one of the attempts was related

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to an email that appeared to be from CNN.

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I know you want to make a thought.

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I'm not doing it.

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I'm smiling.

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You're biting your lip.

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I know I'm trying not to make it.

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I'm not making it.

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You were about to.

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If I didn't say something, you were a hundred percent.

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No, I was not.

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I was not.

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You saw me biting my lip.

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Let me see the link.

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Stop it.

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Not you're doing it.

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Despite you.

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So one of the things was a CNN, it looked like a CNN email with the headline, quote,

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Boston marathon explosions, FBI benefits, question mark.

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Oh, God.

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Some apparent censorship of conspiracy content around this time was related to protecting

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users from these botnets that were trying to hijack their computers.

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In a crisis like this, people who are up to no good go to work.

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The public really wants to know what's going on.

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And when they're not getting that information, they're way more likely to fall for bullshit

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or fall victim to cyber attacks.

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So you exploit that hunger for information and get people to click on things they probably

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wouldn't otherwise.

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I'm not sure exactly what the bigger picture of what Alex is talking about.

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And there were definitely plenty of horrible things that Facebook did nothing to block

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or censor in the days after the bombing.

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For instance, there was a 22-year-old Brown University student named Sunil Tripathi who

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had been missing since March.

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And he's someone who the internet decided to turn into a suspect in the bombing.

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Sunil's family had set up a Facebook page hoping he'd see it and be encouraged that

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he could come home or reach out.

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In the days after the bombing, that page got bombarded with tons of hateful posts from

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people who decided that Sunil had been involved in the bombing of the marathon.

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And then on April 23rd, Sunil's body was found in the Providence River with a subsequent

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autopsy ruling that the cause of death was suicide.

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I'm not aware of any evidence that the witch hunt was related to his death and he'd been

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missing since before the bombing.

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But the witch hunt did traumatize these terrified family who wanted to find their son.

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Facebook did not take down these posts that were harassing his family.

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And eventually the family just ended up taking down that page themselves.

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I think Alex, you know, he's talking about the backpack thing, these articles about the

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backpacks.

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But I think he's also referencing this because Facebook had blocked links to an article that

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he had about the manipulatively edited Family Guy episode, which I think is pretty easy

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to understand.

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I'm sure that Seth MacFarlane had made a copyright claim and they were completely distorting

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his intellectual property in ways that I don't think are covered by fair use.

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You can use copyrighted material in a transformative way, but I'm not sure that you can then use

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that recreated thing to claim that that distorted material is representative of what the original

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was.

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Yeah.

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Look, I think that that's still not allowed.

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Right.

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I can't claim it's the original.

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I think you can just DMCA it if you're an asshole or I don't think that Seth MacFarlane

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would be an asshole.

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I mean, I mean, the other direction, right?

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Alex is an asshole.

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You can still be like, yeah, they DMCA is used to take down shit that is technically

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fair use all the fucking time.

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Like they err on the side of a giant corporation says, no, this wasn't a commentary as much

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as it was a distortion and a hoax.

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So if that is part of the argument, then I mean, take that shit down.

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But like you said in that clip, he's talking about the backpack stuff.

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And later in the episode, he does articulate that a little bit more.

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And it's about these, these articles where he's saying that these Navy seals are at the

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marathon.

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And again, he just decided that these were seals based on looking at some pictures he

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found on 4chan.

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I'm not sure what happened with Facebook, uh, like that they blocked all the links to

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this.

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Oh, they went evil.

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But you know what?

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If it did, I don't know how widespread the blocking was, but if they were blocked, I

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fully support that decision.

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Oh yeah.

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Helix was engaged in targeted harassment of the people in those photos.

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He had literally zero reason to suspect them being involved in this terrorist attack outside

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of things he'd imagined.

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He was publishing articles, speculating that they were there as part of a grand false

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flag operation that left hundreds injured and three dead.

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I don't necessarily believe that Facebook blocked all the links to his article, but

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if they did, I don't care.

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They should have.

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Yeah.

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This is as real as if he blamed the fucking elves for it.

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And it's as damaging as if he blamed normal people who didn't do it and then told people

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to harass them.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So now Jordan, we're like 15 minutes into his episode here and so far, Alex has barely

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even touched on current events in Boston.

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He should be doing a victory lap.

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He should be a Nipsey hustling a victory lap right now.

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He briefly mentioned that the city is under martial law, which it's not, and he's not

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really giving any updates, nor does he even seem that interested that like this is a lead

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story.

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This episode so far has mostly been about him rambling about how he was right about

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a drill.

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And truth be told, he feels more focused on the oath keepers getting to have their rally

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than he is on the outbreak of literal martial law.

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And that seems weird.

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The behavior you would expect from Alex Jones when the appearance of martial law comes is

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to get on air and call all Patriots to Boston.

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This should be war.

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He should be talking about how good it is that the oath keepers are in Boston so they

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can make the first offense to liberate the people of the city from tyranny.

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Alex's entire career has been built about warning that the police state is coming and

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now here is as close as he's seen in the United States and he seems to want to avoid the story.

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That's weird.

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Well, I mean, based on what we know now, I think he realizes that white people are going

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to be fine, so it's not that big a deal.

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I don't know if that's the case.

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No, it might be that he realizes that if he were to go in his words, full tilt boogie,

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we might actually get a lot of people killed.

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I think that's a possibility.

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The options that I see are the first is that he realizes that what's going on is a legitimate

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police operation.

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It's completely legal and they do need to find this terrorist who's on the loose.

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He knows that if he does anything that might impede the carrying out of the investigation,

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then God forbid, like this guy blows up another building, then Alex is going to have a lot

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of blood on his hands.

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He does not want to be involved in that.

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And fucking a real good case for obstruction of justice charges.

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I don't know if you could do that.

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It's so by proxy.

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I don't think that would stick.

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I think it would just be a thing where it's like, I am a monster.

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I don't think we have to worry about him caring about that.

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There's a limit, I think.

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You think so?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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I like to think there's a limit.

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You're an optimist.

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Maybe.

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I will give you that.

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Glass quarter full.

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Yeah.

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So the other possibility is what you touched on.

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And that is I would describe as Alex is scared.

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This is the point he's been yelling about forever because he was betting that it would

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never come.

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Like he would never have to pay up.

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This is Alex's chickens coming home to roost.

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He's made millions of dollars rambling about how if the government ever got out of line,

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him and his Patriot buddies would shoot them and restore the Republic.

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He was safe to do this because I'm sure he never imagined something like this would happen.

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But now it is, or at least the appearance of it is, and heavily armed police are searching

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houses door to door and people are being asked to stay indoors.

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In order for Alex to stay in any way consistent to what he yells about all the time, he has

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to call for armed resistance.

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And he really doesn't want to do that.

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No.

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His ratings are way up and he obviously is bringing in way more money than he was a week

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ago.

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If that's possible, he'd like to keep that going.

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Calling for armed resistance to police officers trying to find the surviving Boston bombing

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suspect is probably going to hurt that a little bit.

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Real cut off your nose to spite your face kind of situation there.

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I suspect but cannot prove that Alex has already gotten everything he needs out of this tragedy.

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He found his narrative that this was a false flag.

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He's gotten an insane amount of internet exposure and he's driven tons of traffic to his sites.

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So while the appearance of police tyranny descending on the city does play into his

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narratives, it's also too much.

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It'd be very difficult for him to engage with the story how he normally would without

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it being to the point where the line in the sand has been crossed.

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And that's something he just can't afford to do as a business.

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Because in his, I mean, literally it is the appearance of exactly the sequence of events

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as well.

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It is literally a crisis.

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They pick, they do this, they do this, there's an increased police presence.

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There's the governor declaring this, the National Guard is coming in.

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That means that the steps for which to Hegelian dialectic your way into tyranny are all in

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place.

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So the only logical thing for him to say is let's blow up Boston.

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Right.

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Alex is like the way his narratives work is that the globalists cannot ever actually start

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taking people to FEMA camps.

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It has to always be about to happen.

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The globalists have to always be making their move.

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They can't actually be doing the martial law shit that Alex says they plan to do.

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That in-between state is where the money is.

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Because if the story is that martial law is in place, then all of Alex's rhetoric should

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tell any listener who's paying attention that it's time to start shooting.

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And that cuts into profits.

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So I think Alex wants to foster this image, but at the same time stay the fuck away from

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it.

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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And that's weird.

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Yeah.

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The only explanation rationally to me are those possibilities because someone who presents

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themselves like Alex does in every context that I've heard would be screaming about this.

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Oh absolutely.

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The only possibility I see is that he realizes it's too hot in the kitchen and his behavior

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could have a really serious negative effect.

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Now what he thinks the negative effect is, that's debatable.

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I see him being like, this is too hot.

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This is too much.

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If I keep going, I'm going to lose money.

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Uh, yeah, boss about all the people that are going to die.

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No, no, no.

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I could lose a lot of money if this goes on.

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There's going to be a war.

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I know that's why I'd lose all this money.

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Okay.

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You're a bad person.

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We are just quadrupling quintupling traffic, right?

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Is now the time to get kicked off air because I called for insurrection?

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Is now the time?

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Really?

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We're going to civil war now.

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Huh?

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God damn.

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Just my luck.

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Yeah.

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This is a Kathy cartoon where he just goes, I do feel that sense here because he's not

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talking about what matters.

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Yeah.

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That makes sense.

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Uh, so that's weird.

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But what he wants to do instead is just keep talking about the same shit he's been talking

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about this whole time.

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And namely that his pictures that he found on 4chan changed the game.

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They've done this over and over again where they'll have multiple fallbacks.

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So we released these photos when they didn't think anybody noticed them right.

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As they're announcing, we're w we've got our person.

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CNN's like, we're told it's a right wing lone wolf.

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One man.

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We've got the right winger.

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It's going to come out.

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We, he's arrested.

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He's at the courthouse.

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Then they panic and go, no, no, forget that.

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There's no arrest.

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Forget it.

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And let's all go to sleep.

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Uh, and let's evacuate the courthouse and forget you ever saw that.

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And I said, they're going from the right wingers probably to now they're going to go with a

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Muslim.

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And I said that because why did they have all these Muslims clearly crawling around

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there?

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Obviously part of it with their body language and everything.

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Probably thinking they're Patriots, you know, who've been recruited out of colleges.

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And these guys were clearly recruited out of colleges now, now could they be double

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agents for some Muslim group?

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Yes.

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They could be real.

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Obviously.

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No, you don't get that one.

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Obviously everyone listening to our show at this point realizes that everything Alex has

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saying is just based on his fantasies that he's constructed after seeing some pictures

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he found on 4chan.

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None of this is real.

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None of it's based on anything other than his feelings.

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However, there's one thing here I think that merits pointing out.

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Alex has no idea if any of the people in the pictures he saw were actually Muslims.

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All he knows is that they're non white people, possibly of middle Eastern descent.

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The past that he has no reason to believe that people in these images from 4chan are

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followers of Islam.

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He sees Brown people in the pictures and their skin proves to him what group they're a part

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of, which to me is a bad sign.

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Yeah, I mean it's the one good part of, or one like luxury of othering is that when the

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other is so big, you can just call the other whatever you want, you know?

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And it's like whether or not anybody in those pictures turned out to actually be Muslim

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is kind of irrelevant to Alex's assumptions.

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It has nothing to do with anything.

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Right.

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It's very strange.

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Who gives a shit?

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If they aren't now, they were.

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So much of his narrative is based on characteristics that he's imagined about people in these pictures.

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He sees Brown people, they must be Muslims.

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He sees a white guy, he must be a redneck idiot who's been brought in to be the patsy.

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He sees guys in uniforms, they must be Navy Seals or mercenary groups.

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Not one single thing about these people in these photos is actually substantiated.

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It's just taken as true because Alex has asserted these things to be true.

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When we talk about Alex not knowing the difference between reality and fiction, it's usually

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in the context of him thinking that movies he's seen are real.

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That's definitely the place where the tendency is most pronounced, but it's important to

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remember that this exists in other contexts.

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Here he's written a complete fiction about some pictures he saw that he found on 4chan,

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and he experiences that as reality.

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It's almost like an author falling in love with a character in a novel that they're writing.

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He either knows he's doing this and that he's willfully misleading his audience into accepting

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his fiction as reality for his own profit, which would make him a psychopath, or he has

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no idea he's doing that to people, which means he needs serious help.

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Regardless of the explanation, someone should've intervened in Alex's life long ago.

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It's real bummer to see these signs, these warning signs, so clear.

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I wasn't paying attention to Alex in 2013, although I hope that that would've been my

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response to hearing this.

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I can't imagine someone in his life not being like, this is fucked up.

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Now it's working.

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Yeah, I can't imagine if you're anything other than a very dedicated, active listener, then

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you could rationalize away all of this shit.

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If you didn't have an active, consistent point of view regarding everything you said and

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tracking it over time, you'd just be coming in and out and he'd say nonsense like a movie

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and you'd be like, oh, it's like a movie.

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And then he'd go back to screaming and you'd be like, oh, I get it.

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I don't think that most-

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He's referencing a movie, he's not saying that reality is a movie like in that movie

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that John Candy was in.

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Right.

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I don't think that most people who would have any interest in critically looking at what

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he's doing have the stomach to actually listen to his show, particularly back then.

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So I think that a lot of it flies under the radar and most of the people listening are

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passive or interested.

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And these signs just get missed, but there is either a willful attempt to get people

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to accept an alternate reality or an inability to know what's real.

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And either option is pretty fucking scary.

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So Alex gets into talking about the situation in Boston a little bit.

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He has some little points that he brings up, but again, there's not much going on talking

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about the situation of the shelter in place.

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All over Boston, all the way into Connecticut, aiming guns at people at checkpoints, threatening

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to kill AP reporters, APs reporting, going in houses, house to house, a giant martial

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law exercise.

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And now there was a shootout.

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They're going to blame the Second Amendment now.

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He's leaving Lexington Green.

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The police were going to block them, but Larry Pratt and Stewart said, you're violating our

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rights.

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And so they backed off.

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That's the first reference to the shootout from the night before, and he's only referencing

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it vaguely.

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And he's only doing it to try and say they're going to take our guns, which is wild.

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I can find no evidence that an AP reporter was threatened by the police during the hunt

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for Johar Sarnov.

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I'm not saying that it definitely didn't happen, but I'm saying that I can't find any trace

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of the story on the AP's website, nor on InfoWars, not even in archived versions of the sites

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from the time.

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I don't know what the reality is here, but I have every reason to believe Alex is just

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kind of riffing or just embellishing.

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Later, someone attempts to correct Alex that what happened was that the police were warning

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reporters who had been out on the night before at the shootout in Watertown, but there was

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an active shooting going on, and if they weren't careful, they'd get shot.

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This is very different than police threatening to shoot reporters, but it definitely sounds

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like the sort of thing Alex would misreport as police threatening to shoot reporters.

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Right.

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Now, if Trump was talking and he said, hey, you might get shot if you stick around out

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here, then we're talking about somebody threatening to shoot reporters.

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In this circumstance, if Trump was the police commissioner or whatever who was on the scene,

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I would still not think it was a threat, because it is a legitimate warning.

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There's an eight minute live shooting where the guys are throwing fucking IEDs at police.

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Right.

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I'm just talking about the way the mob people.

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Right.

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Right.

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I understand what you mean.

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Hey, you might get shot.

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Hey.

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Hey.

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You know, if you go outside, you might get shot.

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I'm just saying.

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That might be what's going on, like misunderstanding or misrepresentation of police warnings.

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That might be what Alex is talking about, but I'm not certain.

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There might have been a dust up between a cop and a reporter that I just can't find

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a record of.

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I have no idea.

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However, that clip is a really good encapsulation of how Alex is dealing with the supposed martial

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law in Boston.

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He touches on it for a second, but only to use it as a way to amplify the other things

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he wants to talk about, like how the oath keepers can't have a permit for their rally

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or how the globalists want your guns.

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Those are safe topics for him to stay on because they don't involve him getting backed into

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a corner by his own rhetoric.

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The oath keepers are obviously still having a rally and no one's going to stop them and

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no one is taking anyone's guns.

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So it's totally fine to agitate about those topics.

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You're only creating hypothetical extremists.

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If Alex were to really spend any time on the fact that according to his own worldview,

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martial law is here and he's pretty consistently advocated fighting martial law, he would very

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quickly end up advocating violence against the police.

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It's a real sign of cowardice what he's doing and a clear indication that his words are

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just talk.

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If he believed half the shit he yells about on his show, this would be a put up or shut

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up moment and he's instead just decided to change the subject.

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Yeah.

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Did I, I'm, I'm, I, we haven't gotten to the end yet, but I'd be surprised.

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Somebody called in saying like, is it time to start a fucking war?

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No one called in and said that there were some people who brought up stuff related to

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the shootout from the night before or the shelter in place request, but it's not dealt

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with in any meaningful way because Alex doesn't cover it as a story, right?

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It doesn't, it's, it's weird.

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That is cause I would have, I mean, I bet I would think that some of his crazier wackos

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would have called in and been like, it's, if you're saying there's Marshall law and

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all of this stuff and give him a detailed list and then be like, you've said it's time

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to start swinging.

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Don't worry.

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There are some crazy wackos, but I think they manifest in slightly different direction.

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Gotcha.

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Um, but we'll deal with, okay, man, close, close.

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So Alex is doing this to, he brings up the shootout from the night before, but only as

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a way to, uh, weave into his own narratives, the gun stuff, and as a way to bring in Stuart

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Rhodes.

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So he has Stewart Rhodes, the head of the oath keepers on the show, uh, to talk about

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the situation in Lexington green with their permit ran to stupid, stupid, a lot of good

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insight coming.

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Stupid interview.

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Um, I don't really care.

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They still had their ceremony and I don't, I don't give a fuck.

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Okay, fine.

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Fuck off then.

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Um, in their conversation, Stuart Rhodes says some super fucked up things.

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So in response to this, it should be, we all turn it out and we hunt him down.

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You know who your neighbors are, you know who belongs and who don't.

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In pretty short order, you could have found him.

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But instead the message is the wolf around, all your sheep will stay in your pens, stay

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in your barns, and let us professional sheep herders and sheep dogs hunt down the wolf.

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You stay in your house.

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We'll come into your house one by one and search it to make sure, you know, us authorized

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professionals will do it.

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That's exactly and make a giant scene and make a giant scene out of it.

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I predict that if he was in an area of Texas, he'd already be dead.

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He'd be dead.

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That's exactly right.

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That's exactly right.

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What you do answer is let us have guns so we can turn out and go hunting down.

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Couple quick points.

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Uh, Stuart Rhodes is a complete lunatic if he thinks that random armed civilians wandering

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around, uh, uh, you know, in posses would have a preference.

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That would be a preferable solution to what happened in Boston.

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It didn't happen.

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So we can only guess, but you have to imagine that a whole bunch of people would have been

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shot, uh, who had nothing to do with the bombing.

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How many phone calls did the 911 guys get 500, 500.

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And so we're saying that all of those people are probably, they're all, they're all authorized.

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So the people who, you know, they were calling a tip on they're fucking dead in a Stuart

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Rhodes is world or at least a wing, a wing of Jesus Christ, what a fucking moron.

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And that's, that's one thing to think about, but a much more concrete version is that there

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were tons of false suspects who got floated by the internet, which led to tons of targeted

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harassment.

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You have to kind of assume that if groups of armed people felt emboldened to take the

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law into their own hands, one of those people might've been killed.

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Absolutely.

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It's almost a miracle that no civilians were killed as is in the manhunt and everything.

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The police after action report makes very strong points of saying that one of the main

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things that needed improvement, I've mentioned this already, was the weapons discipline and

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the late night shoot out in Watertown.

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Like I said, there was that crossfire situation that got created after Joe Hart got away and

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erroneous report of a stolen truck was called in, which led to police shooting at said truck

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when they spotted it, no one was hurt and it turned out the people in the truck were

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off duty police who took the whole thing in stride.

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So that's good, I guess, terrifying what could have happened, but it resolved as well as

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it could have.

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Imagine if it was one of those fucking right-wing weirdos, then we're talking about.

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Or imagine if an errant shot hit the gas tank or something.

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It was all kinds of like, yeah, that's what you talk about with weapons discipline.

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You need to be more careful than that.

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Let's go to our resident historian.

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Have roving bands of vigilantes historically been good for people?

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They've never gotten it wrong, right?

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Roving band of vigilantes.

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I realize you've set this up poorly because I don't do a good vuvuzela impression.

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These were bad, bad mistakes made by the police, who were specifically trained in this sort

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of thing.

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It strains credulity to imagine that a ragtag posse would be any more disciplined with their

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use of weapons.

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I think this is a bad solution.

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Especially not one so fucking trigger happy as the Oath Keepers.

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Bottom line of what I'm getting at, I want nothing less in life than for Stuart Rhodes

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style posse's to be empowered to enforce the law, particularly up to the point of using

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lethal force.

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That's legitimately the stuff of nightmares.

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Now, as to Alex's contention that if this was happening in Texas they would have found

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and killed this guy already, I beg to differ.

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In March 2018, 23-year-old Mark Condit carried out a string of bombings, ultimately killing

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two people and injuring six.

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His first bombing was on March 2nd, and his serial bombings would not end until March

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21st.

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His reign of terror did not end because some Oath Keeper rounded up the boys and went hunting.

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It was because police did a thorough investigation and tracked Condit down and tried to arrest

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him.

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They were unsuccessful, as he detonated a bomb he had in his car when they tried to

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pull him over, killing himself and injuring a cop.

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Vigilante activity did literally nothing to help in the case of this serial bomber who

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was on the loose in Texas, nor did Alex's lunatic ravings about it all being a false

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flag on his show.

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So I guess that kind of disproves Alex's we would have taken care of him in Texas bravado

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bullshit.

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It's nonsense.

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You wouldn't have done shit.

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These people are fucking children.

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They are all fucking children playing out this imaginary cowboys and Indians until they

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fucking die.

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Yeah.

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Why didn't Alex round up the boys when there was a bomber on the loose in Texas?

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Oh, because he could have gotten hurt, Dan.

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Probably.

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What a fucking group of children.

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It is awful.

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It is awful that we live where these people have so much power.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is talking to Stuart, and he's advocating straight up vigilante posses as a preferable

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solution to this, which I cannot imagine.

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You know what?

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A year later, if you'd pulled that, I imagine it would not be 83% of Boston residents in

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favor.

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I would guess.

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How do you guys feel about how the vigilante groups handled the night of terror as we know

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it now?

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1700 dead.

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Yeah.

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13% says it was a good idea.

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The rest of us are dead.

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Did you enjoy the flimsy rationalization purge?

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Yeah.

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For 24 hours, white people murdered.

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So keep in mind in this next clip that the city of Boston has gone through some real

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serious stuff in the surrounding towns as well.

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They're in a pretty messed up situation.

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Everybody's struggling.

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But Stuart Rhodes is also having a tough time.

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What's going on?

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We spoke this morning.

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We're going to go and do this.

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We're going to go on Lexington green.

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I went there prepared to be arrested.

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I was in a bunch of other veterans.

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And our message to the police was, look, you can either let us take five minutes to do

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our own ceremony on the green or you can process or feel as to process all of these veterans

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retired.

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I mean, is this a free country?

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Is this a free country?

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You did have your rally.

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Like you know that no one was going to arrest you.

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You did like, this is just crazy.

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It's just milking it for all it's worth.

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This is that, uh, those two dudes who went into the pizza place and then came out and

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they were like, I was, I was shook.

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I was, they were coming all over the place to tell you mean Jack and his friend.

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Yes.

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Fucking idiots.

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So Alex is talking to Stuart Rhodes and he wants Stuart to justify.

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And second, his belief that this is a false flag and he's expecting, Stuart's going to

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be like, yeah, absolutely.

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Uh, his take is a little bit different.

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Stuart Rhodes.

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What do you say about the false flag angle of this?

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Because they want, they don't want us to look at these Navy seals and what looks like special

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forces of other branches crawling all over right before the bomb happened.

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What do you say from your research?

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Well, I mean, I can't, I guess for the year, the day I was talking to you, I can't tell

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by someone's clothing who they are.

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Ooh, swing and a miss.

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Oh, Alex.

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You got the Oathkeeper guy on the phone, on the phone, and he won't back you up.

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That it was Navy seals.

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That's crazy.

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That's, I don't, I don't like, uh, I don't like him being the one who's like, I can't

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identify somebody by their clothing.

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This is why Alex was shocked by that, right?

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This is why I say that there are lines, there are unexpected lines that people have and

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I'd never know how to predict what they are.

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Like Alex probably would feel guilty if his behavior in some way impeded an investigation

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that ended to a building being blown up.

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Now publicly you would probably say that that explosion was a false, false flag for sure.

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But in his quieter moments, I'm sure you'd feel terrible about it.

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I think you would hope, but again, the line's impossible to predict.

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I never would have guessed that Stuart Rhodes would have been like, I have no idea who these

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people are.

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I don't do profiling.

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What the fuck are you talking about?

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You're literally advocating going around and shooting Brown people for fun and you're the

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one who's going to be like, look, you know your neighborhood, you know, who's not supposed

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to be there.

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What the fuck are you talking about?

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How are you going to identify who's not supposed to be there if you're, I don't judge my clothing.

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Right.

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I'm saying, I'm saying lines are weird.

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I don't know.

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I don't know what to make of it.

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Alex, please.

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We use skin color, not clothing.

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Thank you.

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That does seem to be what he's maybe, uh, comfortable with though.

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Probably wouldn't articulate.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, we finally have the, uh, younger bombers name.

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Alex finally knows who it is.

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I believe this is the first time that he says it.

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Joe Carr is supposedly the young skinny man that we all nationwide, why not put the whole

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country under martial law?

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Why not put up 315 million people in prison because of this, they are all over Boston

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surrounding suburbs into Connecticut at checkpoints, pointing their M fours at men and women and

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their cars, jerking people out, going in houses.

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They're about to have a press conference.

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I was just watching it out there with just incredible off the chart, unbelievable, uh,

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grandstanding grandstanding, uh, going on.

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This is about as much as it gets, you know, like in terms of coverage of this stuff, like

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this is about, like he says that a couple of times cities under martial law, like there's

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no, there's you'd expect getting into it.

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Yeah.

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It's just stray mentions on the way to other topics.

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Yeah.

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He is just tossing off the idea that an entire city is under martial law or he spent his

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entire career saying that if a city goes under martial law, that's the signal that they're

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going to take over the country and kill us all and disarm us and so on and so forth.

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Not just like, Oh yeah, Boston's under martial law.

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What Ev's today, right?

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You would expect it very least his angle on it would be all right, let's not panic about

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this.

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This is a temporary law enforcement activity that is way beyond the realm of what we're,

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what's acceptable.

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Yeah.

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What we need to focus on is that this is a trial run or something like that.

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They will lift the martial law, but it's practice and I'm certain that that is where Alex will

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land eventually.

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Yeah.

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But you would expect that that would be cause he needs to cover this instead of covering

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it.

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It's just, like I said, a side, I mean stray mentioned, that's an angle that you're not

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going to get in the moment.

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I don't think cause that's a, that's a solid in the moment if you're Alex, he woke up early

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that day.

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He's had time to ruminate and think, all right, you're assuming that he does work before he

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gets to work.

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Right.

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But it turns out most of his work is actually just reading negative articles about himself.

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Okay.

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Of course.

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This is the day for that.

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Yeah.

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The LA times, uh, is reporting, uh, that I am basically a big fat giant demonic rat that

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says internet sewer and shows a manhole sewer cover and it says right on schedule, the vermin

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surface, the U S government orchestrated the Boston marathon bombing.

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Obama did it so he can take our guns.

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He used Navy seals backed up by flying monkeys from Oz.

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That's the LA times.

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Oh, Oh, LA times.

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Alex Jones has a sick theory about the Boston marathon bombings, LA times, David Horsey.

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Now, Oh wait, but I have a problem here for him.

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What does this say for, for, for radio listeners?

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You can go to the Washington post.

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This is the Washington times was also a blurb in the Washington post backpacks, Boston marathon

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private contractors.

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And it goes on to say that they've denied that or won't comment, but that sure enough,

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these look like people wearing craft international uniforms.

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That is a sheep dip group for Navy seals and they look like Navy seals.

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They look like them.

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So craft international is like a group, uh, that they make cheeses and they're like, uh,

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like a contracting group that, uh, the internet had decided that they were the people who

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Alex saw with the bad guys who were actually the civil support teams, uh, who were called

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in, uh, who are at every large event like we've talked about there at every home football

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game.

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Uh, so whatever it, but that's what the new preoccupation is on the internet that is now

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starting to seep into Alex's conversation about it.

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David Knight has been more on this prior to this, but Alex hasn't been talking about craft

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itself, uh, that much.

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But now it's, so anyway, I did, that's just for context.

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It is irrelevant.

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It may seem like a little minor slip up that Alex tries to refute that la time story with

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the Washington times headline and that he tries to pass off as a Washington post headline.

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But if you know what these papers are, that looks less like a mistake and more like sleight

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of hand.

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The Washington post is a mainstream media paper, so if they're publishing an article

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speculating about how there may have been these craft international agents at the marathon,

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it lends things a bit more credibility, which is exactly what Alex is trying to achieve

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by citing the story for the story to make it to the WaPo, it would need to pass layers

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of editors.

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So it carries a bit more weight.

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Conversely, the Washington times is a completely untrustworthy pseudo news outlet founded by

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the cult leader, Reverend Sun Yung Moon Boon said, quote, I founded the Washington times

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as an expression of my love for America and to fulfill the will of God who seeks to establish

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America in his Providence.

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That's a, uh, that's the operating philosophy for most of most of the fourth estate.

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Sure.

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And that's how they all started.

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Yeah.

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These intentions concretely translated to taking an over the top anti communist position

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in pretty much all of it.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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It is.

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It is strange how that, uh, that tends to happen in its early days.

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The paper was mainly about how great the cold war was.

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And then after the fall of the USSR, they pivoted towards communist menaces in South

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America.

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How to watch out for him.

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Uh, the Washington times sucks and no unbiased person would take it seriously, but you can

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see why Alex might think it's a good source.

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He comes from an insane John Birch society family, so you can easily imagine him growing

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up with the Washington times as a credible outlet.

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But Alex isn't totally crazy.

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He knows that most people look at the times as unreliable and the post as a normal news

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publication.

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It doesn't make Alex look better to appeal to a times headline, but it does make if the

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time that headline is in the Washington post.

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That's why he says it's a Washington post headline, then pauses and lets out a big sigh

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when he realizes it's a Washington times story.

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That's a sigh of disappointment that he doesn't have the MSM gotcha moment that he was building

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up to.

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That's telling.

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Yeah.

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Uh, it's also, uh, it's also pretty, pretty brilliant, uh, reacting in the moment to be

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like, there's also a blurb in the post because that makes it seem like, Oh, the mistake is

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just, I don't have time now to pull up the post article.

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I've already got the times article in front of me.

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There's a blurb about it in the post, but I'm just going to reference the one that I

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have in front of me.

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And he does that repeated.

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I just don't have time.

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He does that repeatedly, like directly citing the Washington times article and saying it's

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also in the post.

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Exactly.

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He says that like three times throughout this show.

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He knows what he's doing.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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So he's, he's sort of spinning his wheels and like, we know there's a one to three to

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5% chance that this was a real terrorist attack.

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Uh, and he's like, maybe it is true, which at that rate of speed by now we're at a hundred

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percent that it was a real time.

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If it's one to three to five that quick, then we assume that it's a what, seven, 10.

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I would say it's at a hundred percent now if it's past 10 minutes, I'm not going to

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get, I mean, he doesn't quantify it, so I don't know the number exactly, but here's

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where he's at.

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Joe Carr is the one living, uh, and a czar nav is the last name and a Tamerlan is the

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supposed larger boxer brother, uh, who's dead.

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I mean, who knows if any of it's true, maybe it's all true.

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Maybe none of it's true.

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All I know is are we up to 50 50 you acted guilty as sin when drills and stand downs

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were brought up at the, at those three press conferences.

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I mean, ladies and gentlemen, when we plugged info wars.com whenever Dan Badandi, our reporter

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in the third press conference after they canceled the others and by the way, the police and

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FBI come over and said, you're going to, you and info wars are going to be good now, right?

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You're not going to cause a problem and why didn't they arrest him or throw him out?

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They didn't want to make a scene in front of all the reporters because he also wasn't

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committing a crime.

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Like they were just, they dealt with him as an annoying nuisance, which is what he was.

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They didn't act guilty as sin.

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You can go watch those videos.

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There's like, no next.

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Yeah.

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And the way Alex is framing this, you really got to ask some questions because he didn't

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say like when we got the truth out, he's like, when we plugged info wars, that's how he views

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this.

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It's a publicity stunt.

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We plugged info.

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Right?

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You should have seen them so scared when we plugged info wars, they were, they were so

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guilty.

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And it, it's, this is all just PR.

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That's that.

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That's how he understands what happened.

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It's not a greater truth is out.

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It's more eyes are on me and he loves it.

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So unfortunately he doesn't have a big staff at this point.

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Apparently Rob Jacobson and one of the other employees who I can't remember who it is.

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They're on assignment in California doing something.

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I don't wonder what that fucking thing is.

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He may have fewer employees right now, but his show still seems to run fairly well as

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opposed to not being able to play any of his clips or I think he's running also a scaled

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down operation.

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Oh, that's right.

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Yeah.

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That's fair.

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Like he's still doing it as a radio and TV show, but he doesn't have that giant million

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dollar studio going.

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He has a lot less moving parts and I think a lot of the people who are working there

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are people who've been there for a while, but the exception of the reporters who have

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won contests, I think some of the like behind the scenes people are probably pretty competent

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who've been around for a bit.

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So I think that you have an ease compared to what he's dealing with right now, but unfortunately

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because of this thinned out staff, like I said, Jacobson, California, Aaron Dykes and

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Melissa Melton have just left to start their own offshoot, their own operation.

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And so like, and everybody else is just run ragged.

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Paul Joseph Watson has been working for days straight.

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Oh, nonstop.

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I'm doing the nightly news carrying those, carrying those live waters.

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Leanne McAdoo is new.

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Oh, she doesn't even know it where Boston is.

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They do play a special report of hers about drones and it's remarkably competent.

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It is not sensational.

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She is citing sources.

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What?

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Yeah.

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It's really weird.

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Oh, well she's new.

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She probably thought that she's supposed to be doing the job.

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New brush, new broom sweeps clean.

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There is a sense, and I think probably a number of people who work at info Wars go through

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this.

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I think in the early time they probably think they're doing something real and they might

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try.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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But he plays that report.

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It was like, damn, that didn't feel like info Wars.

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It's still like pointing a finger at Obama, but also doing it in a way in a context that

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is drone strikes are bad and they are Obama's fault.

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Right.

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I'm with you.

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Yeah.

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And the point of it seemed to be largely about, um, you know, saying that we're your precision

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target drones and that's clearly not true.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What is going on here?

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Very weird.

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That's wild.

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I don't have any clips of it because in order to sort of demonstrate my point, we'd have

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to listen to the whole thing and it's like four minutes long or something.

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It's not worth that.

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But anyway, I was shocked.

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It's very, it's very strange because you know, the day before on the 18th, she was the one

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who came up with the different color backpacks theory, but that's terrible work.

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It's terrible work.

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They're different color backpacks.

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Genius.

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Yeah.

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And then this a special report, fairly competent.

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That's crazy.

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It's weird.

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The yin and yang of new info Wars employees got to be, got to be dumb enough to come up

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with a different color backpack theory and uh, we got to beat out the whole journalistic

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integrity after overtime or you just realize you don't have to.

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So why try?

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Oh, that's fair.

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There's no standards.

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Right.

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So whatever, um, but he doesn't have enough staff to cut clips of things that he's seen

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in the news.

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Sure.

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And this I believe is the beginning of the narrative pivoting.

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I have a limited crew and I have a limited staff and I already had interviews for upcoming

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films.

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My, a lot of my crews out in California right now, but I need listeners to do this.

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We need to get, and we have a bunch of these clips coming up.

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We have a, we probably have, I don't know, let's not exaggerate.

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clips of Chris Matthews on MSNBC and CNN and guests of our favorite red coat, piers Morgan

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and everybody, everybody, everybody on CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, even Fox saying this'll probably

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end up being military vets that are disgruntled, maybe even Navy seals.

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I saw CNN and MSNBC four times and I'm leaving.

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I'm not watching the news.

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It's kind of on during breaks and on while I'm doing research or I'll see it on YouTube

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four times.

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Say Navy seals.

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In fact, before we saw these photos of Navy seals, I guess it was Wednesday that, yeah.

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So we, we found out about this Wednesday, Tuesday, I saw CNN and then I saw texts of

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other shows saying, and people sent me transcripts of them going, yeah, it could be like disgruntled

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Navy seals.

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So now that tells me, and these were like globalist operatives on TV, you know, top

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FBI analyst, you know, could be Navy seals.

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What?

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So we've got to go dig all that creepiness up.

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They, they were actually thinking about framing Navy seals because I mean, who would come

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up with Navy seals?

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You George Norie on the same coast to coast episode you were on, uh, look, I don't, I

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don't know, I don't care about this, this is dumb, but it is very important because

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earlier in this episode, Alex had done his normal.

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They were going to blame this white Patsy and then they've switched to the Muslim option.

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Now he's saying all along, they intended to blame the Marines, the seals.

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So this is a fundamental change in his narrative because that dude, the white Patsy that Alex

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had picked out is not a military guy.

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He is not a Navy seal.

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None, none of the people in those pictures that he's pointing to are necessarily Navy

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sales.

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Well, you know what the mistake was, right?

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So they only said Navy seals four times.

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Everybody knows that in order for the Navy seals to appear, you have to say it five times

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into not a Beetlejuice situation, you have to say it five times in the mirror.

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Um, whatever is going on is a fundamental shift.

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Like this undoes a lot of the point of everything he's been saying.

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If they had planned Navy seals, then why would they try and use that to take away your guns?

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You fucking idiot.

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Well, cause they need to get the military in line for the takeover or whatever.

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Sure.

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Fine.

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Sure.

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Um, it all is, is crazy.

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But what's so interesting about listening to this show is like how disjointed it is.

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Like this is, if you're thinking and listening, this is a problem for the earlier days.

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Certainly cause it's a very different narrative being, being sold.

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But I don't think that his audience has trouble with it.

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No, no.

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I think it was like, Oh, that makes sense.

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It doesn't make sense.

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But the narrative is like an amorphous blob that is just like certain parts just expand

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at one moment and then they come back in and then another part expands and it just keeps

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rolling around.

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It's like that show that Stephen Colbert pitched back in the day, the no bone zone.

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People with no bones try to fit through a hole, the no bone zone.

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Um, so Alex has now decided that this is a plan to set up the Marines and so he's also

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decided that the people that he's seen in these pictures that he found on 4chan or craft

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international.

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And so in this next clip, he talks about how they should reach out to craft international.

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He claims that they already tried to call them, but the way he's discussing this makes

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me think he has not.

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And by the way, we tried to put calls into craft.

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I'm going to put more calls into them.

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By the way, I should open the phones up specifically for people.

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Uh, I mean, here, I bet, I bet craft's listening right now, you're welcome to call in.

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You are absolutely welcome.

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In fact, I want to tell my reporters, David Knight, uh, and Jacari Jackson and, and, uh,

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uh, everybody else that's here, I want you to all call craft right now officially and

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get statements.

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Uh, we need to be doing all this work right now.

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Shouldn't you say again, uh, it feels like they haven't called.

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They were calling them socially before they were just giving them a nice call.

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They wanted to see if they wanted to go get a drink later.

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Now it's time to officially say we are info horse employees and we would like your statement.

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It doesn't seem like they've called.

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It seems like he just realized that and then he's saying, well, we tried, I mean, technically

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if they tried to get to the phone to call craft, but they didn't even make it all the

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way to the phone.

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You could say they tried to call craft whenever you are a journalistic enterprise and you

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do reach out to somebody, there is formality to like, they say no comment or they don't

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return calls.

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Right.

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And Alex isn't expressing that he's tried to call them.

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We gave her a shot.

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It doesn't was busy.

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It doesn't feel real.

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No.

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Anyway, Alex now reads a comment from info wars and as we learned from the last time

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you tried to do this, it got racist.

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Really fast.

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Is Barnes going to drop two Edwards on this one?

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That was patterns, um, he tries to read any, he sets this up by saying, I really agree

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with this comment.

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And I want to read a comment here from the info wars.com article I was just mentioning

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that I agree with.

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I want to read this here.

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Plan a was the white tea party, white lone Wolf gun owner, but that was called off due

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to exposure.

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So plan B was to get the Muslim guys.

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Plan C might've been blacks or gays.

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I actually, I don't agree with that now.

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Uh, weird, weird comment got weird.

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I agreed with all of this up until I read the last part out loud and realized I'm not

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supposed to say that out loud.

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Um, comment got weird as is the case with pretty much all comments on info wars.com.

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But it's interesting cause I, you know, it's easy to hear that and be like, I don't agree

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with that.

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Like just sort of trying to write off the comment and he doesn't read any more of the

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comment.

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Oh no.

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Is that a weird comment?

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No, I can't find his comments anymore.

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They're all gone from the internet, but plan D is the Irish plan E is everyone from Ethiopia.

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No, we don't know where that goes, but it would be easy to hear that and hear him say,

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I don't agree with that as indicative of being like they were going to blame the blacks and

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the gays.

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That is not what he's disagreeing with.

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He's disagreeing with the fundamental assumption here, and this is part of the pivoting of

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the narrative.

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I actually, I don't agree with that now.

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I have, and I know I said that day one was the pre-programming.

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It was even worse.

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They were planning or at least it was being discussed to blame Navy seals because again,

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all over the news, they kept saying it's probably a disgruntled vet, like a Navy seal, and we're

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going to compile all those videos where they said that Navy seal, Navy seal, we need your

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help doing it.

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I know I've seen it.

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I need more staff.

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The thing about this is like, he's saying that they, they're planning to blame the seals

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or at least they talked about it.

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What are you basing that on?

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Well, you don't know any conversations that anyone had.

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You're just making that up.

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Right?

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Well, of course.

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I think he's trying to say that he's extrapolating that they must have had those conversations

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because I did hear them say Navy seal four times, which means obviously if you reverse

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engineer it, that means six months ago they said we were going to blame a Navy seal.

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Expressing it that way holds a lot less water than they've had conversations.

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What is brilliant, and I think it's probably accidental, but what is brilliant is putting

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it on his audience to put those clips together instead of having to do it himself.

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Because then if you don't get it and if you don't play those clips in that suit, we're

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working on it then, well, Hey, that's your fault audience or the ones who didn't do it

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or you can permanently be like the audience is putting it together.

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We're going to have that right.

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That's genius.

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But the narrative's pivoting, buddy.

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It's now they were planning to set up the Marines all along.

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Alex has put the pieces together and we are moving forward.

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Hey, I had a click happened last hour that I'm going to your calls that is so horrible

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that it gave me the beginnings of a migraine headache, which only got about once or twice

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a year, which is setting in right now.

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It made me so physically sick.

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When it all clicked that since Tuesday, I have seen CNN, MSNBC, and CNBC and newspapers,

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and I need all you to pull this up and help us.

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I just mentioned 615, 630, something like that last night, CNN, what's her name, Erin

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something.

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What's her name?

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The former CNBC host is on there with her expert, Erin Burnett.

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Thank you, saying it might be Navy Seals and this is the expert on there.

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I will say that I can neither confirm nor deny that Erin Burnett or her expert guest

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said such a thing on her show last night from when Alex was recording, but I can give you

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some reasons why I don't think they did.

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What we're listening to right now is Alex's show from the 19th.

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The night before would have been the 18th, and if her show was taking place after 6 p.m.,

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as Alex said, then it would have had to have been after the FBI press conference where

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the suspect photos were released.

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It seems very unlikely that a TV show host or her expert guest would be discussing the

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possibility that these people who did the bombing were disgruntled veterans after the

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photos of them had been released, and they're clearly both pretty young.

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That's the type of shit you would do on Info Wars.

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I mean, I guess it's possible, it's possible.

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Maybe Alex has his timestamp wrong and this was a pre-press conference TV show, but whatever

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the case, it seems like he's just pulling this out of thin air.

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I don't know if we'll get an update on this later in the show.

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We might.

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Uh-oh.

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Alex is so wrong.

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Anyway, Alex goes to calls, and man, some of these people are wild.

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The first guy that he talks to wants to talk about the white patsy in the pictures that

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Alex found from 4chan.

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The one thing that actually stands out, the guy in the blue jacket with the red shirt,

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the poor, poor looking guy that the bag actually matches his straps that he's got over his

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arms.

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Yes, the FBI released the exploded bag remnants, and it looks identical, a black backpack with

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a silver stripe on the strap.

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Right, right.

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Now, if you actually had a bag that you brought with you, okay, and you're in a big crowded

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area, you're going to carry your bag over your back.

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You're going to carry it over your back, you're not going to have it right there like you're

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about to drop it.

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Exactly.

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And he looks suspicious.

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I mean, if I was a cop at the end of the marathon, that's the guy I'd be searching.

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Exactly.

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And he's the one that you would single out, you would pull him out of the crowd, you would

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try to figure out what's going on there.

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Of course.

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I have a fun thought experiment for you, Jordan.

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Of course.

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That's exactly what I would do.

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Let's imagine that no bombing took place at the Boston Marathon.

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All right.

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Do you think for a single second that Alex and this caller would even take a second look

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at a picture of a man carrying a backpack in front of himself?

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Do you think that that rises to any level of suspicion?

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Man, I'm really trying to find a funny way of saying yes, but it really doesn't, and

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there's nothing.

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Nope.

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There's nothing.

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Under the circumstances where there wasn't a bombing, your mind would see that picture

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and realize that the photograph takes one split second into consideration and doesn't

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tell you anything about what happened just before or just after.

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If there hadn't been a bombing, you would just see that, and any number of innocuous

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explanations would make sense.

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Maybe his back was tired.

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Maybe he'd just taken something out of the bag.

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Maybe he was preparing to take something out of the bag.

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Maybe he was going to give it to a friend to carry for a while, also maybe because his

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back was tired.

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Why would you prepare to take something out of your backpack?

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Maybe he'd just seen that Lionel report about backpacks being rude, and he was trying to

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not hit anybody with it.

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If you saw the video, you would hear him under his breath going, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel,

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taking off his backpack.

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There's literally nothing suspicious about a person carrying a backpack not on their

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back, unless you desperately want to make it suspicious.

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Now let's take this thought experiment a little bit further.

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Let's imagine that there was no bombing at the marathon, and this guy did get searched

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and shaken down by the police.

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Could we imagine Alex in this alternative reality using that search as an example of

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a police state run amok?

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These two guys are talking about the idea of singling out and searching a guy as if

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it's just common sense that this is what you would do, when if it did happen, they'd almost

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certainly be opposed to it.

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What, you just think he looks weird and you're going to search him?

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It doesn't make any sense.

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These people are stupid.

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Right.

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Very, very stupid.

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But there's more.

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These guys, apparently, maybe, when Alex was back in his community college days, maybe

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he took an entry level psychology course, and maybe this caller knows a bit about psychology

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because they decide to psychoanalyze the guy in the picture.

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I would rather they didn't.

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He is holding that bag, but he is holding every bit of the shame and guilt that he's

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ever had in his life.

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Exactly.

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His body language is, he feels like a total piece of crap, and how did he get talked into

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this?

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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He's so ashamed.

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Is that defamatory?

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It's not good.

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I don't know if it's defamation to say he looks ashamed.

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Your Honor, I was not ashamed at the time, and this has harshly ruined my future earnings.

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Many prospective employers have said that I looked ashamed, and so they have not hired

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me.

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I think the larger picture of what they're doing with this guy is definitely not appropriate.

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But that is at least just sort of a judgment call.

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I think he looks ashamed.

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What kind of a dick is this guy?

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Everyone's a dick on this show.

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Yeah, but this is just wild.

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He's carrying shame?

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Yeah.

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Okay, man.

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So another thing that comes up with calls is a new piece of the narrative.

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So now we've decided that the Marines were going to be blamed.

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That's a new development here on this episode.

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No longer are we dealing with the white redneck.

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Not blaming them anymore.

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Basically, this caller still is, he looks ashamed.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Hey, look, dude, the bottom line is that all of this can work if you just think that there's

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a hundred different patsies there.

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There you go.

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They've got all the options.

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Right.

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Yeah, it's a buffet of people they could blame.

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They meant to blame the Marines, but the white patsy was there in case they wanted to go

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with the redneck angle.

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Right, right, right.

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The Muslims were there who may or may not have actually been Muslims for that same purpose

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in case they wanted to.

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It's crazy.

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It's the old country Patriots Day buffet of patsies.

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Basically, yes.

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But so now we're prioritizing the idea that they wanted to blame the Marines.

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And the idea that the city is under lockdown, they're on the shelter in place order, there's

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a new wrinkle that's going to start developing.

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These guys, they're on pictures everywhere.

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So for them to come out and say, you know, maybe a Navy SEAL did it, they're saying that

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just in case pictures get credibility and somebody somewhere in a position to make a

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difference actually speaks out and says, look at all these Navy SEALs everywhere.

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You know, I mean, that's another way for mainstream media to cover their butt.

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No, I agree.

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And they're probably telling them right now, you keep your mouth shut or you're going to

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go to jail for this.

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Yeah.

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So this is the beginning of a kernel that's going to grow a little bit as this show goes

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along.

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The idea is, what's going on with these patsies right now?

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Yeah.

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Who aren't patsies?

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They're just hanging out.

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Right.

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I do appreciate that a certain kind of stupid person can have a conversation that I would

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have high sober.

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You don't know that.

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The color might be high.

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That's fair.

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That's fair.

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So the whole state is under martial law now, according to Alex, which it's not.

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This is dumb.

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The whole state has been turned into a martial law zone.

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They've spilled into Connecticut.

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This is just unprecedented.

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And who knows what even the truth is.

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There've been so many patsies.

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There haven't been so many patsies.

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It's all imaginary.

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I just love the spirit that they apply to this.

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Just escalating it from, we've got a few pictures to God, I can't even believe how many patsies

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are out there.

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I'm overwhelmed with how many people I and the internet have decided to blame for this.

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Which makes you think if there are that many patsies, we shouldn't have a bunch of vigilantes

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going around shooting people.

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That's exactly the point I made about like all this stuff.

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It would turn so fucking dangerous.

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So many.

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Oh man, this Patsy over here, let's shoot him.

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I'm not a Patsy.

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That's just what patsies would say.

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Oh fuck.

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So Alex had Stewart Rhodes on earlier, uh, to talk vigilante justice, I guess, no show

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would be complete, uh, without another gun weirdo.

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And so he has Larry Pratt from gun owners of America.

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Of course.

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And, uh, I would say that Larry does not comport himself quite, uh, up to the standards of

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a decent person.

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Okay.

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What is your breakdown on the spectacle, uh, of martial law over much of the state you're

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in right now looking for one guy?

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Um, it's pretty extraordinary.

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And as you were saying, when you let in a surprise, it was a Muslim or two Muslims.

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That's what Muslims do.

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Boo.

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Boo Larry.

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Boo.

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Good.

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You guys can't do it all.

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It's uh, that's great.

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That's real great.

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We assumed that it was going to be a right wing lunatic that they were going to plant

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the false flag on so they could steal our guns.

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But what do we get a Muslim cause they just do it.

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What the fuck are you talking about?

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So in 2019 on our Friday episode, we had Alex's lawyer, Robert Barnes, come on the show and

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say that we're at war with Islam and you know, that's awful and it sucks to hear.

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It sucks that people act that way.

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You go back to 2013 you hear like these are the same ideas that have been underlying a

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lot of the guests and the people in Alex's orbit for a very long time.

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I mean they go all the way back to the fucking nineties.

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Totally.

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Totally.

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But Larry Pratt is coming on here and like he's not saying we should have a war with

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Islam, but he is saying that Muslims just blow stuff up.

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I mean we shouldn't have a war with them, but as an entire people, they just blow stuff

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up all the time.

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It's not our fault.

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It's sort of implied that if you don't have a war with them, they're just going to blow

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stuff up.

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Can't have that.

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It's a very fucked up position.

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And so Larry, you have discerned the ability to have any more of your clips played on this

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episode.

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Be gone.

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You're banished.

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You're on timeout.

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You're on timeout.

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Okay.

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Fair.

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Fair.

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And the rest of it's just boring and you talk about how great guns are.

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We're not sending him directly into exile.

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We're going to, we're going to keep them in a, okay.

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So Alex wants to build up more of this idea that the Marines and the Navy Seals were the

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people who were going to be set up.

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Right.

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And the reason why he's going to do that is to say, you know what, I was looking at those

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pictures and they look surprised.

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The body language of the Seals to me is they were just told to be there for a drill and

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didn't know.

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Uh, and because I mean, I've looked at now there's a ton of these photos and videos.

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They looked, you know, and I see some other guys that look, you know, like older special

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ops, like back, look totally freaked out, you know, like, Whoa, what just happened minutes

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after the blast of my issue is it started clicking last night.

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I've seen them four times since Tuesday say, maybe it's a former military, like a Navy

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Seal when they have these creepy FBI and Southern Burberry law center type guys on.

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And so are they looking at framing the Seals or what is that?

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What is that?

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So you can see this narrative is building, it's shifting, everything is changing.

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And this is where it really comes together.

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Alex gets a call from a guy who thinks that the shelter in place request is very weird.

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It's very weird.

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Yeah.

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I would say it's, it's unusual.

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Yeah, certainly.

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Um, and we need an explanation for why it's actually happening.

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Oh, there's a bomber on the loose.

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No, no, no, no.

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That's what they want you to think.

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Oh, I didn't realize that they wanted me to pick something.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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You're, you're a fool.

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You're a damn fool.

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I'm sorry.

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You are a globalist titty baby.

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You're right.

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I apologize.

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You know what?

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I stepped in it on this one.

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I did.

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Yeah.

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Um, here's what's actually going on.

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The city of Boston effectively has shut down all the transit, everything, something is

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in place.

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And they're telling media, the police are saying, we'll kill you if you show what's

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happening.

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Yeah.

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Well, they could be, they could be hunting down special ops people that have blown the

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whistle.

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Who knows?

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So this is what whistle to whom, where, what's this is thrown out as a suggestion.

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They could be hunting down whistleblowers totally who have yet to blow a whistle anyway.

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Well, these patsies that were in the pictures, the Marines, the seals to lock down the city

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so they can mop up loose ends.

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So they're going around with teams going around and killing all these people that could blow

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the whistle professional vigilantes.

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Now when I heard that, I thought that's crazy.

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First of all, and then second of all, all right, well, he's just suggesting that we'll

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see how it goes for the rest of the show.

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I can't come back.

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That cannot be a thing that spoiler alert.

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It does.

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So it was, so we've got some weird movie montage of them hunting down random people.

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Oh my God.

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So it's, it's introduced though in the context of being a, who knows what's going on while

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talking to a caller.

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But as we grow, go through this episode, you'll see it become more like, I like that idea.

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That makes sense.

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And Alex starts building it into his coverage, but he hasn't this caller who's introduced

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this idea also wants to give a shout out to Dan, but Don D and Alex revealed something

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that I think, um, it doesn't look good for him now.

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Okay.

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Do you know what we privately say about the Donnie when we sent him on a mission?

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Release the crack and in fact that is not funny at all.

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No.

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So release the crack in is of course a reference to the movie clash of the Titans.

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It's a common catch phrase that people use and the way they use it is always in the context

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of sending in an offensive.

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It's a weapon release.

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What Alex is revealing here with his joke is twofold.

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The first thing is actually pretty important because it may seem obvious to the point where

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you ignore it.

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And um, you know, that is the case that Alex sends Dan, but Don D to cover the things he

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covers in his deposition about his Sandy hook case.

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Alex has tried hard, uh, as hard as he can to distance himself in any official way from

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but Don D's antics, but this clip really seems to suggest that but Don D is an instrument

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of info wars.

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They have a target and they send him out to do what he does.

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Right?

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The second thing this reveals is that Alex sees but Don D uh, sending, sending but Don

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D somewhere.

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It's tantamount to releasing a destructive weapon, but Don D is not a reporter going

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out to ask questions.

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He's a mythical beast who's completely uncontrollable that Alex is letting loose on people, namely

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the citizens of Boston and Sandy hook.

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And Alex relishes that.

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He's not fake laughing there.

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That's actual giddiness he has to tell this caller about calling but Don D the kraken.

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He loves that he can throw a grenade at these people and watch it explode from a safe distance.

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This illustrates a cruel and sadistic streak in Alex, but it also kind of shows that Alex

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really doesn't give a shit about Dan but Don D. He's a thing to Alex, a beast to release

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on people, but not somebody who he really values that much outside of his destructive

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capacity.

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I really hate Dan but Don D and I hope he's really ashamed of himself for what he's done,

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but you kind of can't help but feel a little bit bad for him here as much as Alex is clearly

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using him.

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I don't feel that bad though.

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Yeah, you know, I think I, I think I've lost it all.

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You know, I used to, I used to have that feeling of like, Alex, come on, you're choosing your

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friends and like Steve Pechenik is lying to you.

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These people are being mean to you when they're not enabling you, they're taking advantage

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of you.

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I love this is awful and then Alex is doing the same thing to so many other people.

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I'm just like, that is, that's their nature.

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You know, it's like these people just do that.

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Maybe, maybe, maybe not nature, but it's the game they're playing because it's a choice

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to be engaged in this.

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It's not like some kind of ingrained thing.

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It's a behavior that they've learned and choose to engage in as a part of their business model.

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Absolutely.

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So yeah, it is tough to, it's tough to feel that bad.

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But at the same time, you know, you got to still stay in touch with your human instincts

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and someone being used is not good.

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Right.

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It sucks.

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So anyway, I still don't feel, I, I, what I choose to do in a case like this is instinctually,

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I feel a little bit of pity for Dan Padanti, but because he's clearly willingly acting

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in such an awful way towards vulnerable, grieving people, I choose to transmute that pity and

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to discuss towards Alex.

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I like it.

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That's the way I like.

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I appreciate that.

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I still hate Padanti.

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I don't need to feel bad for him now, but Alex is the one who's behaving this way towards

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him.

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He's the one who deserves even worse hatred.

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Yes.

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I direct it that way.

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Perfect.

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So anyway, release the correct.

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Yeah.

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Real lame.

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So Alex gets a call from a guy in Boston and Alex wants to know if he thinks it's a false

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flag.

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As a Bostonian, what's your gut on this false flag or not?

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Um, I, my gut instinct is probably not to be honest with you.

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No, that's why we don't screen your calls.

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We want to hear what you have to say.

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This could be the one in a million where it hadn't been staged, but then why were there

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feds crawling all around right before the bomb went off and why are they lying about

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it?

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So, you know, he's like, Hey, you know, you can say whatever you want, but I'm going to

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be like, why, why, why, why?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's not your answer.

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Everything.

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Answer every question I have.

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And if there's one answer, you don't have an answer for that to find it, then you're

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obviously part of the plan.

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You can say it's a false flag if you want, but I'm going to badger you disinformation

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campaign.

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I don't know.

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I'm not sure if it goes that far, but he is going to badger people who disagree, which

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is not fun.

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So in this next clip, Alex is talking about the idea that there is like the city on lockdown

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and he makes a crucial mistake and how he discusses it.

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I see families driving through and they're pointing guns at them all over the city.

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It's not like they think he's in a one block and they're doing that.

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That I can see just a whole and other cities.

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That is an interesting ripple.

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So, so here's another weird line and that line turns out to be exactly one block long.

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It turns out that Alex is not philosophically opposed to the police acting the way they

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have in Boston.

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His main complaint seems to be a question of scale.

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Everything in moderation, Dan.

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And Jordan, that's a huge problem.

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He really needs to be against it regardless of the size for his argument to make any sense.

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See, cause that clip naturally raises the question of what size area is too large for

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the police to enact what Alex calls martial law.

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Alex says here that he thinks it's okay on one block, presumably because the police would

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have narrowed down their search to that one block.

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But what if they've narrowed it down to a two block radius that they have good reason

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to suspect that the suspect is in?

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What's the substantive difference between one and two blocks that Alex would use to

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justify one being okay and the other not?

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I will give you a very clear idea of what number of blocks the suburbs and we're not

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going to worry too much about the inner city blocks if you wink wink if you know what I'm

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inner city.

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But now you actually introduce another issue is how big is a block because different parts

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of a city blocks will be different lengths.

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So you're it's very arbitrary.

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The definition that you're making of like this being okay.

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Are we including minors or just majors like what type of block are we dealing with there?

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And then Jordan, what if there are two criminals on the loose and they've split up?

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Can you then broaden the area that's on lockdown?

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If one suspect being traced justifies one block being locked down and the police telling

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people in that block to stay indoors and, you know, walking around with guns, then two

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suspects justifies an additional lockdown, right?

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At least two blocks.

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Only one more block.

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Sure, maybe.

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That's the scale.

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But even so, that's a problem.

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That's the scale.

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It has to be one terrorist per block.

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Okay.

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But that's still a problem.

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That's an issue.

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Yeah.

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And now what if this suspect is someone who set off bombs at a marathon then killed police?

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And what if you're not sure if they're working with other people, possibly even a network?

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Surely that qualifies them to be considered a target that justifies using the most extreme

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measures allowable to catch them.

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My point here is that Alex has made a form of martial law okay.

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And from that point, he's completely lost any kind of ground he can stand on.

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If he were against the police acting this way under any circumstances, there's not a

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whole lot I could do to argue against him.

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I could disagree with him and say that I believe that there are occasions where the public

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should possibly do things that are uncomfortable to themselves personally to help the greater

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public interest.

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But I couldn't say like, hey, you are fucked up.

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You're out of luck.

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You've made a mistake.

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But since Alex says locking down one block because you think a suspect is there, he's

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completely failed.

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Now he needs to answer so many questions he absolutely can't answer.

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Like why one block is okay, but a greater area isn't.

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What's the difference?

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Yeah.

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That's a pretty big fuck up on his part.

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Like listening to him, I often find things he says that are lies, things that are stupid,

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but it's rare to find such an unforced error like that.

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No one's asking him to like, you know, make his message less extreme or like to moderate.

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No one is saying, hey Alex, be reasonable about this.

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What if it's a block?

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For whatever reason, he's just decided to moderate this anti-police lockdown stance.

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He's just made his job way harder.

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He's accidentally supported martial law.

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Yeah.

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And I, it's almost like he is trying by accident to be reasonable about this being like,

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I think that's his intention.

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Yeah.

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That's what I'm, that's what I'm saying.

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Like for no reason he goes off brand.

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Right.

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The whole point is be as unreasonable and as stonewalling it and as absolutist as possible.

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If you interject one moment of reasonability into this, then it's, it's, it's magical.

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And it's a thing that he says a couple of times, like the idea of one block is okay.

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Right.

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Right.

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I just don't think he understands his own positions.

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I don't think he understands what he believes or what he should be saying if he believed

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the things he believes.

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Right.

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I think it's just a glaring indication that he's making this shit up as he goes along

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and it's all based on feelings and whatever he just thinks in the moment.

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Yeah.

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It'd be, it'd be very much like actually getting down to who he cares about living or dying

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at that point of just like sooner or later he's going to say, look, I care, nobody, you

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know, everybody has a heart man, like that kind of thing.

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And he's like, well, there, there you go.

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You, you are arbitrarily creating these rules and you don't believe any of this nonsense.

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I think, I think that the arbitrary aspect is very clear.

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I mean, you can't, I would welcome him to make the argument why one block is okay.

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And let's say six blocks isn't, I would love, I would be fine to make that argument, but

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I do not see him making that argument and he needs to, if one is okay and the other

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isn't because otherwise it is arbitrary.

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Right.

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So the, the basic idea behind that argument is I, I would be more comfortable understanding

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that these people have a target, that it's not just a wide sweep and that they are narrowing

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it down in a very specific way.

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And by having it only be a block, I feel far safer.

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That doesn't work.

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That's your feelings.

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Exactly.

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That argument doesn't matter.

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Exactly.

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You got it.

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Alex, maybe crowdsource this, but he found that clip from Aaron Burnett from the night

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before.

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He found it.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Let's see how that goes.

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Okay.

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I know that walking back and forth in front of TVs the last three days, I've heard them

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say it's probably a military veteran.

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It could be a military person.

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It could be military training, foreign military that's bombed us.

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And then I remember hearing that last night right before I went on the air, but they actually

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found the transcript.

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And what they said is this type of thing that a soldier, now that doesn't mean it's a U

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S soldier.

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That means it's someone who probably has experienced, it could be a U S adversary.

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So on that particular show I was talking about, that's not what they said, but I know I've

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seen them.

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Whoops.

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Why would he do that?

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I don't know.

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That's very weird.

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That's so weird.

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Yeah.

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Because what it demonstrates is that that, that transcript that he just read is what

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he heard and what he experienced was them blaming Navy Seals.

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Absolutely.

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So that is a really good insight into how he processes information.

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Right.

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That's really bad.

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I mean, what's even weirder is that he said it.

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Yeah.

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I bet one of his employees insisted.

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Really?

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I would assume so.

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Maybe he does not do that now.

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I think one of the problems is he was too specific because he said Aaron Burnett the

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night before and it'd be too easy to trace down that it doesn't say what he says.

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That's fair.

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He's so vague with a lot of his specific references.

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Some CNN anchor.

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And instead of someone sends him that transcript, he can be like, that's not the one I was talking

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about.

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That's too specific.

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So weird.

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I think that might be why, who knows?

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Anyway, he goes back to calls and he gets a call from a guy who says that he has information

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about this alleged white Patsy that Alex has been making a big deal about.

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Oh, that's not good.

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You'll see how it goes.

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Oh boy.

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Jason in Wisconsin is arming and says they have intel on blue shirt suspect everybody's

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talking about.

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Go ahead, Jason.

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Huh, I expected to get cut off or my house drone strike before I even get on the air.

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Look at this.

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Okay.

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You don't want your kids to die, right?

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I got kids too.

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I don't want them to die.

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I'm speaking out and de-cloaking on Facebook.

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You want to know about the guy with the hat or the hair?

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The old guy with the hair, the blue shirt carrying the double backpack with two hands

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does look a little heavy on this big giant shoulder.

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Okay.

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This is Joe, B-L-E-I-C-H-E-R on Facebook, Sean, Knights of Malta go hide behind red

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cross.

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That's why they were, that's why Bush was laughing.

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Give me your money.

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Don't we don't listen, brother.

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Give me this.

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Send us an email.

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It's show tips at infowars.com was specifically what you're talking about and where on Facebook

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we'll look it up.

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Thank you so much.

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Alex knows well enough to like, Oh, don't let this guy talk more.

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He is rambling Knights of Malta, hiding behind a red cross.

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George Bush laughs.

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Oh man.

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Oh boy.

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That was a, that was some sort of surrealist art.

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No, that's what you expect from Alex's callers.

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Right.

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Right.

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About right.

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And Alex needs to protect the, the business from that, you know, like he needs to make

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sure that that appearance is minimized lest other listeners think like, huh, this show

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might really appeal to people who have, uh, some processing problems.

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Crazy ass shit.

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Yeah.

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So another caller calls in and uh, is just parroting Alex's line back to him, uh, on

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the show.

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But the thing is you and your staff put a cog in the wheel when you came up with those

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photos and you presented them online, it made them delay the news briefs.

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It delayed the conferences and they had to change your story because of you and your

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new staff.

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It took them a day to do it.

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Well, I don't want all the credit.

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It's too dangerous.

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Actually.

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Other people did that.

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There's, there's, by the way, I am getting a lot of death threats right now, but go ahead.

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There's no evidence for any of this outside of just Alex's.

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This is all just Alex's imagination being reflected back at him by a caller.

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You're only, you're only saying that he stopped the bombing or the because Alex said it because

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Alex told you that he said it.

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That's not enough.

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Nope.

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That's why would you say that back to somebody?

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Here's what you get.

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You got to get, it is enough on info wars.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's true.

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That's enough here.

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I mean, it's just not enough.

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This story is fun.

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All right.

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I believe it.

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Yeah, man.

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Anyway, this caller also wants to compliment Dan Badandi and this is something that they

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like the other caller said too, that he has a sack of steel.

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I think it's a meme that's going around that Dan Badandi has got a sack of steel and I

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got to tell you, Mr. Badandi has got a sack of steel without a doubt.

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Well, you know what?

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He had them kind of intimidating him and threatening him and stuff all three times before and after

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and he, but still they were afraid to, I guess, arrest him for, because they didn't want him

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to be the newscast.

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But when he got info wars.com out and all over the world, they were carrying that newsfeed

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live.

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Normally we get about a million visitors a day to info wars, half a million to prison

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planet, big days, maybe 2 million max.

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Guess how many visitors we had per minute for several hours after that happened?

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All of it is about the PR.

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All of it is about the publicity from the stunt that he did.

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He sent Dan Badandi out there to cause a scene, yell info wars.com got a ton of traffic.

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Same thing he ends up doing in the 2016 election with the bill Clinton's a rapist contest.

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Yeah.

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This is his mo.

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This is what he does.

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And when, when there's serious issues going on that other people are trying to deal with,

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he's trying to get attention.

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So cool.

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Good stuff.

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So Alex takes another caller and here's where it goes from the suggestion that the lockdown

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is about cleaning up patsies to it being seriously suggested.

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I did not know that.

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Now it's all a martial law deal on Patriot state that teaches to be good slaves.

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And they even have said later today on the menu as part of your vacation, we will have

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a controlled demolition of an explosive.

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So be ready for that.

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And we'll kill any media we see following us because we're busy exterminating our patsies

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right now.

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100%.

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You know, you know, Alex, I did get up at 4 10 this morning.

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You are, it didn't take you very long to get right up to speed and you were literally right

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up to speed.

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This is a sanitation exercise right now.

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We are going after the patsies.

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They obviously don't want these people to talk.

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So now that is the line.

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The whole situation in Boston that's going on is just so no one is out on the streets

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whenever they clean up the patsies.

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And there's a big problem with that.

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The first is, well, not one.

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It's based on nothing.

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Yeah.

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Second, there are no patsies.

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Right.

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Third, if you go and look at pictures of Boston from the 19th, it's weird because streets

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are fairly empty, but if you go and look at those pictures, almost everyone has a few

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people in them.

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Yeah.

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You'll be able to see a few people because the shelter in place request was a request.

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It wasn't enforced.

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It wasn't like you have to stay in your homes.

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If you wanted to go out and about like and enjoy, I don't know, Longfellow Park and just

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like take the risk so you could see an empty park.

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You could.

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There are multiple Dunkin' Donuts places we're still open because Dunkin' Donuts is a goddamn

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institution in New England.

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It was weird to see the Google Street View car out on the road, though.

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That was a real weird night for that.

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Trying to make the most of it, track a lot of miles with no cars on the road.

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But there were people out and about.

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It's not like it was strictly enforced, stay in your homes or we'll shoot you.

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That's nonsense.

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And that cop threatening the reporter, I do believe, is still what we talked about earlier.

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The warning that there's an active shooting going on.

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Now, this controlled explosion thing that Alex is talking about has to do with the police

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finding what they believe to be another device in a home that they were searching where the

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Sarnav brothers had stayed.

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Also, the media wasn't threatened and told not to follow them or anything like that.

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There's actually tons of pictures you can find of the police at that home.

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There's a place called Hutton Photography.

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If you just Google the Boston Marathon week, they have tons of pictures of the police at

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that home.

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So there's no crack.

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This is a zero.

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Right.

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Anyway, I mostly just played that clip to illustrate how now it seems like Alex has

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fully embraced the they're just trying to clean up Patsy's narrative, which I need to

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point out.

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And I know I sound like a broken record that's based on literally nothing but his imagination.

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Everything in this coverage is stuff Alex is imagining.

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It's none of it is real, almost none of it is really that.

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That caller and Alex both being like, this is a fucking cleanser or extermination or

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whatever thing.

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It's just like, I can't really comprehend that much gaslighting like that is that is

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just it's not real, man.

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You guys are talking about it with this excited like we cracked the code energy about you.

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And it's like, I don't I don't get it.

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I can actually explain a little bit of that later in this episode, but I don't fully understand

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it either.

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But I understand a little bit of the feelings that the people are having that Alex is instilling

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in them.

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I think that there's a function to that.

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We'll get to that in a minute.

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But before we do, Alex has another guest.

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This is a big day for him.

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He should be covering this martial law crackdown, the shelter in place order.

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He should be talking really at all about the shootout from the night before, where that

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was a big one.

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It was in a residential neighborhood.

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He should be talking about the fact that an M.I.T. police officer was murdered the night

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before any of this stuff could be discussed.

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Instead, he has an interview with Art Acevedo, the oh, I mean, the M.I.T. police.

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That's a perfect like there's another patsy that they're they're cleaning up.

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Could be.

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You could toss it all in there.

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Good.

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Said we're going to talk to Art Acevedo.

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He has an interview with the chief of police of Austin.

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Right.

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And here's how that begins.

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Art Acevedo, the Austin police chief, now in service to the Sith Lord Obama and Michael

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Moore, as well as Bloomberg.

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No, no.

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He's here.

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He's a really nice guy.

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Even though he wants to confiscate my firearms, I do know you were saying during the break

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you don't want to take my guns.

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Tell me about it.

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OK.

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That's why I need to come to see you.

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I do not believe in gun confiscations of law abiding Americans of of sound minds.

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Every time you say that, I challenge you on Twitter to show me where I've ever said we

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should confiscate guns.

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Yeah, but you're there.

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But you ignored me.

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You didn't answer that because you will not find a sound bite.

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You will not find an article you will find anywhere.

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Well, I'll be honest.

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I didn't see the tweet.

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What's on your Twitter?

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I said I tweeted you.

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I mean, I can't keep track of all this.

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I follow you, Jones.

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And that's me.

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I know you plan to put me in a FEMA camp.

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I never.

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So this is ridiculous.

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This is absolutely ridiculous.

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And so it's jocular like it really makes it seem like all of the things he's talking about

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are jokes that like FEMA, you're going to put me in a FEMA camp, you're going to take

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my guns.

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And Acevedo being like, look, dude, what are you talking about?

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It just it's so deflating to Alex's positions.

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I'm just I, all right, all right.

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God damn you.

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He comes off very well.

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You care so much and you believe in truth and reality, and you should have known that

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the answer Alex was really going to give you from the beginning is it doesn't matter.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Art, it doesn't matter if you say yes or no, I'm going to say whatever I want to do, whatever

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I need to do.

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Yeah.

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So Alex got mixed up with art because he started trying to get him to fight or something.

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Sure.

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He's trying to get him to like we want to confront.

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This is Alex's tactic.

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Like he get into the muck with me and then I'll pretend that.

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Right.

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And then we can have a pretend coming together and like he did with the sneaky snake with

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Joe Rogan.

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He does this all the time.

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So he did that with art.

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No, no, no.

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Seriously.

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Look, look, I joked around because I know you fled communism in Cuba and said you ought

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to move back to Cuba because because you're and I was I'm in it tongue in cheek, but you're

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adding it.

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I had to like smoke you up.

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Come down here and confront me.

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I know you're not a chicken.

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You want to come down here and confront me.

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I just want to get the records for you, even though you're like a karate champion here.

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I hear I'm not challenge you to a boxing match like that.

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There's Morgan.

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You already did.

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That's very good.

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I understand.

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I appreciate that.

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That's that's far funnier than release the Kraken.

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I understand that Alex has this like sort of confrontational strategy where he tries

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to get people to be lured into his net by like, hey, why don't you why don't you come

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in?

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And I also think, like, if you understand that Art and his family did flee Cuba to the

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United States, like telling him to go back to Cuba, there is a connotation to that.

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Oh, I think that is much deeper than like, hey, you love communism so much or even just

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like it is.

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Go back to where you belong.

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Go back to what are you trying to say?

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That part of the motivation behind that is believing that because you're nonwhite, you

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don't belong here.

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Come on, Dan.

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I don't think it's just about communism.

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I don't think it's one hundred percent that.

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But there's tinges of it that make me uncomfortable.

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The way that he's bullying people is questionable, I would say.

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So Alex asks about the Boston bombing and the police response to it.

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I think Art has a pretty good answer.

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The bottom line is that what's going on in Boston is they're looking for one more suspect

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as far as I know from the media reports.

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And they've asked the people in the entire city of Boston to stay indoors.

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Would you ever do that in Austin for like one guy?

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Probably.

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I don't want to be critical.

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I don't know what we think is for one guy.

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We don't have all the information.

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I'm sure they have good reason.

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It would take a lot for us to tell the entire city of almost a million people in the city

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of Austin to everybody staying in Boston is even bigger.

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No, we're actually bigger.

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We're wow.

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Alex doesn't know relative city size.

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I think that's a pretty good answer.

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You know, we don't know really what the situation is.

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It appears to be a hunt for one person.

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And it did end up being that.

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But you can't be too.

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Or did it?

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You can't be too careful.

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So this interview is sadness on your face.

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This interview is completely pointless.

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It's mostly Alex trying to bring up his gun talking points and art being like, I think

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the background checks are a very reasonable thing for citizens to submit to.

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It's not a huge deal.

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There will not be any confiscation.

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I would never go along with that.

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I've not heard anybody suggest that seriously in any way.

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It's just pointless.

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And along the way, Alex keeps asking him to go shooting with him.

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And art is like, yeah, absolutely.

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I'll go.

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I'll go shooting with you.

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Alex pulls out his giant 50 caliber barrier now.

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That's no good.

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No, you can't just pull out a gun.

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He's a cop.

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It's fine.

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I think it's actually against the law.

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It's fine.

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It's not loaded.

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So anyway, he just keeps trying to get him to commit to going to shooting with him, which

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he does.

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Art does over and over again.

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So yes, I'll go.

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And then Alex keeps teasing him that he's going to get in trouble for going shooting

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with him.

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Well, let me ask you this.

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When are we going to go shoot the 50 cows?

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Let me, you know, let me know.

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And anytime I know you're, I mean, I know that the justice department may not like that.

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You know what?

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I'm not worried about being sarcastic.

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Listen, what about a bit of your PR lady does not seem excited about it.

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It's just nonsense.

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God damn it.

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Alex is kind of giddy that he's there.

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Because I think that he hoped that he could make a lot out of it and instead are just

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a really nice guy.

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Yeah, whatever.

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Anyway, that's not, you have to switch into weird bullying and needling and try and make

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him angry enough to actually give you what you want and art is just like exhausted by

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your bullshit because you're a goddamn child.

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I don't know if he's exhausted by it, but he understands what Alex is doing.

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Like he's clearly at least aware of like, he's going to try, he's, he's full of shit.

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No, it is, it is so much, he does say over and over again, I like you, which is the back

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of a fucking car and Alex is putting his hand two inches away from his face going, I'm not

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touching you.

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I'm not touching you.

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I'm not touching you.

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Somewhat.

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Not that, not that extremely perhaps, but anyway, the point interview is pointless.

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It's not worth really getting into except for the fact that it happened, which is weird.

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So Alex now is back.

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Art is gone and Alex is just hitting this killing the patsies narrative.

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They've got Boston locked down to hunt down and get rid of the patsies.

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That's what I believe is the most probable scenario unfolding from the pathological behavior

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I've seen from these people before.

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What do you think?

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Oh, I think you're spot on.

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Yeah, sure.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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Fine.

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Yeah.

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According to Occam's imaginary razor, that is exactly what must have happened.

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We see this narrative completely shifting over the course of this day here on the 19th.

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It's now all about blaming the Marines or the Navy Seals, the military men and the entire

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lockdown is to sweep up loose ends and kill these patsies.

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So that's interesting.

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It's just developed over the course of the show as opposed to talking about anything

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real.

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And the reason is because Alex knows the stakes are too high.

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This is a fucking Petri dish.

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Yeah.

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So we're now into the fourth hour of the show.

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And what's interesting about this, like we're in overdrive and Alex is still taking calls

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and here's what one of his callers says.

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The reason I'm calling is I was up all night listening to the police scanner and watching

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the news and seeing how things were unfolding over at MIT.

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There was a police officer shot.

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As far as I know, this is the first mention of that.

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In the fourth hour of the show, a caller brings up the cop that was killed.

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If Alex referenced it in passing and I missed it, maybe that's possible.

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But from my listening to this, that was the first time I heard this brought up, which

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is crazy.

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That's crazy.

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It's ridiculous.

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Yeah.

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So instead of really dealing with any of this shit, Alex goes on to, he's really excited

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to interview Dan Badandi because why not?

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So he has Badandi call in, it's all just stupid about how it's scary out there in Boston.

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But this is really what the interview is about.

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Yeah.

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Great job, folks.

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Pray for Dan Badandi.

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I tell you, I've done stuff like he's doing now, but I've never done anything that big

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myself.

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I mean, I've crashed some big press conferences and exposed Janet Reno for murder at Waco

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and I've confronted presidents who've been arrested and I've done some, but nothing where

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it's a press conference that's on every TV in North America and most of the ones in Europe.

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I mean, listen, 100,000 visitors a minute for hours to Infowars.com, 100,000 visitors

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a minute.

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All roads lead back to publicity.

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All roads lead back to his bottom line.

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That's like, what Alex is saying is not that Dan Badandi has done something that is actually

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in any way, like substantively important.

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What he's done is pull off a bigger stunt than any I've been able to do in my career.

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That's the subtext of this.

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This is like, this is like when a show tweets, Oh, we got 2 million.

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We made it to 2 million downloads.

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Thanks everybody.

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We couldn't have done this without your help.

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But instead of that second part, they said we made it to 2 million downloads because

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we lied about 9-11.

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Hey everybody, thanks to all of you.

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Fucking Christ.

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Yep.

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So instead of dealing with the real issues going on in the city of Boston and surrounding

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this bombing, Alex decides to spend a good amount of this fourth hour complaining about

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Bill O'Reilly talking about it.

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That makes sense.

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So Bill O'Reilly talked about how Alex played this video from the Family Guy and how it

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was edited out of context.

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Right.

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Bill was like, Oh, I wish we had done that first.

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No, Bill does not like this.

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Bill is against what Alex is doing.

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Right.

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Cause he wishes we had done that first.

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Nope.

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I don't believe that's the case.

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I know.

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I'm just kidding.

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Maybe, but probably not.

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But Alex is furious.

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He's not furious.

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This is just more attention for him.

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Bill O'Reilly came out and attacked Alex Jones for Family Guy and Dan Badandi for asking

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a question.

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And they only cover us when they could say we're lying.

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And all we did was Watson did a blurb about a clip.

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He went and checked the original Family Guy, you know, saying it was two clips from the

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same episode showing how he runs over people at the Boston Marathon and they say, how'd

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you do it?

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How'd you win?

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And he shows him detonating two bombs.

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He then goes on to blow up the Golden Gate Bridge too.

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And it's called Turban Cowboy, a tea partier that joins Al-Qaeda.

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That's the whole thing.

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Nope.

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And they came out on the CNN Fox there and said, we're just liars that it never happened.

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I mean, that's how dumb they think you are.

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And of course that was just a minor blurb we put out.

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So they chose to focus on that.

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It was not a minor blurb.

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That was a large part of his coverage.

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That was a large part of the 16th, 17th, 18th.

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It's a very big piece of Alex's obsession.

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He brings it up even on the coast to coast appearance.

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Well, I've heard it many, many times and not just once from a small blurb.

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No.

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Pretty sure.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, he plays the clip of Bill O'Reilly.

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And I hate to say this, but Bill is right.

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Here's the Bill O'Reilly clip.

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In the back of the book segment tonight, did you see that?

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We begin with a March 17th episode of the family guy.

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I'm Bob Costas here with Boston Marathon winner, Peter Griffin.

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Peter, how did you do it?

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The influence busted.

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Maybe I dialed wrong.

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Now that didn't actually happen on television.

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That was doctored by some online pinheads.

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They distorted that clip from the family guy, who is now pulling everything off the

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neck.

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Here to explain further, Julia Huddy, what do you think?

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I mean, you know, you know the way people are, people are crazy.

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That was so just, I mean, it's so ironic that that aired March 17th.

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How could somebody do that?

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Two separate storylines in one show.

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Hit pause and back it up.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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Hit pause and back it up 10 seconds.

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So first they say it didn't happen.

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Then she says it aired March 19th.

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They show him running over people to get to the front of the Boston Marathon and winning

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with piles of dead bodies and blood everywhere.

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And then they go, how do you do it?

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And he detonates a bomb blowing stuff up.

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And then he also blows up other stuff.

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So our point is it's about terror attacks with cars and bombs.

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And then they sit there and say, we're a liar.

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Bill did not say that this episode didn't happen and it didn't air.

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He's saying that people didn't see that clip on TV because it's edited because it's doctored.

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But Alex is not engaging with criticism.

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The part of this that people take issue with is taking the part of the bombs and attaching

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it to the part about the marathon is a distortion of what this episode was.

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When Alex says he blows up the marathon, then blows up other stuff, that's not true.

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The blowing up was other stuff.

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And you know, I hate to say it, but Bill O'Reilly is, you know, he's on the right side of this

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one.

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He doesn't know the difference between irony and coincidence.

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You're nitpicking.

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What can I say?

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A bigger issue is that Bill keeps being like, how do they do this?

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How do they edit video?

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He seems confused.

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I've worked in television for 20 years.

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That troubles me.

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We know that he loves to do it live.

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I don't understand why it's confusing that people can take video and splice it together.

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But whatever.

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That's why Alex is really furious about this and he ends up later threatening Bill O'Reilly.

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But before he does, he gets to this point, which I think is central to a lot of his ideas.

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He's trying to explain why there is this massive conspiracy going on.

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The globalists have committed incredible amounts of crimes and they know they're going to end

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up going to jail if they don't fully take over.

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That is a clip that could literally come from any month of any year of Alex's show.

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It's a constant refrain that he uses to convince his audience to accept outlandish conclusions

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like this bombing was a big setup by the government.

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One of the reasons that line he's selling about this being a giant conspiracy, why it's

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hard to accept for people, is because of the why.

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Most of Alex's conspiracies are presented as being really simple, but on a closer analysis,

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they would involve a staggering amount of participants.

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So the question does seem to ask itself, why would these people all agree to something

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like this?

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Whenever Alex needs to justify something and he's running out of options, his default is

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to say that the globalists know that they've committed tons of crimes and whatever conspiracy

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he's selling that day is their only shot of keeping themselves out of prison.

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We've seen it over and over and over.

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In the present day, this is his explanation for why the deep state is trying to get Trump

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impeached.

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If they don't, they're all going to prison, which is how he explains how wide ranging

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this conspiracy would have to be.

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This narrative crutch also serves a second purpose, which is to make every single conspiracy

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that Alex is selling his audience a matter of immediate life or death.

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If the globalists need to pull this off in order to make sure they don't go to prison

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for their many crimes, then it stands to reason that if Alex and his intrepid team could just

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bring the truth out on this one, they might just bring down the globalists once and for

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all.

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Every half-cooked theory, every fantasy about a picture he finds on 4chan, they're all elevated

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to nearly absurd importance when they're framed like this.

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And what's so crazy is that it's so consistent in his career.

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Like I really thought some of this stuff that you, because we hear this a lot in more recent

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days.

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I kind of thought that was a part of his increasing desperation in the post-2016 era, but here

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it is in rosier times in 2013.

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He's just constantly fucking with his audience, trying to make them think like this is our

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shot every single time, and they fall for it.

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Yeah, it does appear like his imaginary world is unaffected by reality, but it absorbs it.

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No matter what's going on in the real world, there could literally be a coup going on in

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the real world, but it wouldn't affect his imaginary version of what that coup would

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be.

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It would inform it.

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Exactly.

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The idea of a bubble reality adjusts based on some information from reality.

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But the main thrust of the imaginary universe will always stay consistent.

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Well, Alex wouldn't say that they needed to clean up patsies if there wasn't a shelter

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in place request going on.

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That he's incorporated in by now adding in the they need to go clean people up.

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But the bad guys would always be willing to go clean people up.

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No matter what happens, it's a it's a trick.

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And that's what I was referencing earlier when he said, like, why are these these people

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feel so intensely in on this?

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And part of the reason is because Alex is selling it in such a way that they're led

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to believe that, like, if we can just pull this off, if we can pull this off, we might

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finally be rid of those globalists.

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It'll be it's game over.

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So anyway, like I said, Alex challenges Bill O'Reilly to a fight.

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I mean, you are a piece of work.

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You know, I dare you, O'Reilly, to have me in studio with you because I've seen you get

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like this with your other other guests and stuff.

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I challenge you, Bill O'Reilly, to a boxing match.

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Heard your dad used to beat the hell out of you pretty good.

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So I bet you're a tough guy.

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Jesus Christ.

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That's fucked up.

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That one.

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That one's pretty funny.

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That's not going to give.

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I'm going to give him that one.

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I don't like O'Reilly.

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But the idea, the idea of mocking someone for like being the survivor of childhood violence

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or abuses.

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Yeah.

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No, she's right.

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That's that's low, especially on the same episode where somebody who he did offer to

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fight was on earlier.

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True.

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He just does this.

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Yeah.

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He was he's he was like, I'm not actually going to fight you.

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That's bananas.

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That's a part of one of the other like more subtle things I was trying to demonstrate

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that is Alex has patterns.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So he gets attention from somebody who he believes will be able to help him.

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I want to fight.

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I'm going to throw a tantrum and that way you'll pay attention.

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So Alex, as we get towards the end of this episode, he's going to hand it off to Jakari

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and David Knight to do a couple more hours to keep that traffic coming in.

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Of course.

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But he starts to realize that he's playing a dangerous game.

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His life is in danger.

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Yeah.

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He is the most dangerous game.

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He wants everyone to know that if he dies, keep the fire.

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And if they do set me up or kill me or anything, I want you all to continue info wars.

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I want my operation to continue.

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I want to be able to just have them defeated.

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Go out, confront them at press conferences, confront them everywhere.

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Take over the info war.

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Never back down.

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Look, they're not going to stop us.

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The reason they haven't killed me, believe me, they love to.

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They call people all the time is they know would probably turbocharge everything.

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We like in road warrior when they turn the nitrous oxide on them, you know, the vehicle

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goes into doubles at speed in mere seconds.

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So whatever.

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Now I'm so damn exhausted.

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Sometimes they come after and I don't even worry about it.

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I'll be like, Oh really?

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You're about to get me out of my work.

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I'll never commit suicide though.

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I love life.

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Yikes.

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That's a weird end to that clip.

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Is that the end of the show?

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It's supposed to be.

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That's supposed to be when he hands off the baton.

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Right.

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And then he comes back after that break.

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You don't want to end your show with that.

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Sometimes I want to kill myself.

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No, no, no.

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I'll never kill myself.

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I want to kill myself.

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It's sometimes I would welcome death because he's not, you know, he's not doing it.

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If the globalists kill me, sometimes I'm like, Oh, what are you going to do?

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But I'm never going to kill myself.

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I love life.

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I love life.

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Let's, uh, let's all give it up for national mental health week, everybody.

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So that's how he's supposed to end the episode because he's already said after this commercial

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week, Chikari and David will be here.

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But he doesn't, he comes back from that break and, uh, he makes some interesting comments.

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And if this is proven to not be a false flag, which I think is gone from 1% chance to maybe

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5% chance, I will eat my hat and apologize and be very pleased.

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I mean, I would do cartwheels and probably go on vacation for a week and, and, and, and,

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and run around popping champagne bottles.

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Because I really want to believe that the government is not this evil.

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Start doing them cartwheels.

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All right.

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So I assume that on our next episode he is going to apologize and he's going to go on

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vacation, right?

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We'll see.

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All right.

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I guess he didn't say that, um, you know, his arguments about it being a false flag

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or disproven, then he'll eat his hat.

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He is saying you have to prove it's not a false flag.

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So I guess he would never accept whatever evidence to him because whatever evidence

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you have is only evidence that it is more a false flag.

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He just moved the goalposts.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, here's the last clip and he's sort of responding to a little bit of insecurity

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that he didn't cover the shooting from the night before.

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Yeah.

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Um, and this is how he articulates it.

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I woke up at 3 AM and went to the computer.

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Hadra, I took care of a sick child at about 4 AM.

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I get on the computer headache from hell and I see people on YouTube going, why isn't Alex

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covering the shootout?

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Well, I went to bed at nine.

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The shootout started at 10 30 I got to sleep folks.

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I don't have a 24 hour crew.

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We're trying to hire more journalists, writers to work overnight and have a night shift.

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I need money to do that.

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That makes sense.

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Why didn't you talk about it earlier today?

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That's my question.

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That's a good question.

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That's my question.

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It's like, yes, absolutely.

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You do deserve to sleep.

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There's no reason why you needed to cover that at three in the morning or earlier than

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that.

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It doesn't explain why it's almost not addressed at all on this episode.

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My explanation is that I can only talk about what is happening in this very instant.

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It is impossible for me to talk about the past or the future.

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I have a very serious disease.

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And Bill O'Reilly needs an ass kicking.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I don't know what the fuck is going on.

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I know that I suggested at the beginning of this episode that it feels like he knows that

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it's too hot and if he behaves in his normal ways, he's being dangerous.

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He's going to get a lot of people killed.

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I think that there is a feeling that that is possible.

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Yeah.

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I don't know that that's the case.

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Maybe he just didn't want to cover it.

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I mean, it really does seem like he could also have just kind of gotten bored and his

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attention span isn't very good.

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I don't know.

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So he's just like, I don't feel it.

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It's no more.

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It's no fun doing the old, they're setting up white guys for second amendment shit.

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Now they're killing hundreds of patsies.

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Maybe hundreds.

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I don't know the exact number.

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This is a great new fucking development in this ongoing story.

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I am somebody who listens to loads of this bullshit and I will say that this episode

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felt very different than the 18th.

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There is a shift in it and I have to, I mean the only real difference between what happened

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on the 18th and what happened on the 19th is up until the end of Alex's show on the

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18th, the FBI hadn't released the suspect photos and the situation was abstract.

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There wasn't concrete information and on the 19th, there is an official story and it's

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an unfolding situation where there's real serious actions being taken.

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That's the only difference that I see in between the two and Alex's behavior is completely

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different.

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Now, granted he's still lying and making up narratives but he's more looking back to his

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narratives that he's already established and then pivoting some into being about the seals

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and they're cleaning up people.

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It's just different.

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I don't know exactly how to put my finger on it but it's fucking different.

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It's like you write a play with a specific actor in mind and they do the run for a good

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year and then the play keeps going but the actor wants to move.

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It's not going to be the same play.

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You're putting a different actor into a play written for this specific guy.

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You're taking this, they're coming for our guns play and you're throwing in Navy Seals

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and it's just not the same thing.

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Or it's like reading a Poirot novel a second time.

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First time through, there's ambiguity and then once you already know what the end is,

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it's kind of like, oh shit, so everybody killed him on the Aryan Express?

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What a cop-out.

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Spoiler alert.

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So I don't know.

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I'm interested to see how this develops but I will say I'm slightly less interested than

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I was about a lot of the other Boston bombing episodes.

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This feels much more like a normal Alex.

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I think the fever has broken in much the same way as it has for the city of Boston.

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Now on the 19th, in the evening, they end up finding Johar and there's the shootout

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with the boat and they end up taking him in and I mean I know that Alex will probably

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just return to his kind of more normal conspiracy bullshit behavior but this was an intense

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blip.

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This was a real, real fucked up couple of days.

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This stretch of, I mean I guess it's what, a five day spam, four or five day spam from

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the 15th to the 19th has been a wild ride on Alex's show.

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He's been so irresponsible.

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He's done about as bad a job as he could while insisting he should have a parade and everyone

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should be so thrilled that he has broken the case wide open.

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No one has ever failed as hard while thinking they deserve more.

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It's literally flabbergasted.

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I'm shocked.

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I'm shocked that this doesn't get talked about more in terms of Alex Jones.

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It is awe that I feel right now that you can do that stuff because you would think any

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human being would have at least some knowledge.

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For him to gaslight this level is awe inspiring.

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Yeah and I mean like the stuff that he's doing with these pictures and all this stuff is,

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it's behavior that a lot of the internet was engaged in but you expect that from the internet.

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Alex Jones is at least pretending to be a news person.

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Every time you remind me of that I'm always confused.

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The behavior is way less becoming from someone in his alleged position but I'm shocked that

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more people don't talk about this stretch of time.

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It's so bad.

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You can really see the intention of crafting a narrative that serves his purposes and then

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you see the payoff.

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You see the intention, the behavior, and then the goal achieved.

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And then almost a disinterest.

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Not a disinterest.

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I don't know if it's a disinterest.

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I'm not sure exactly how to phrase it but he's gotten what he needs out of it.

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Now he can return to his normal behavior of spinning conspiracy yarns and coming up with

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bullshit.

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Do you know what it is?

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He's post coitus, Dan.

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Yeah, the intensity is gone.

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The little death.

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That's what's going on right now.

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Jesus.

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So anyway, we'll be back with another episode on Wednesday but until then...

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We have a website, Dan.

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Yeah.

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And we also are on Twitter.

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Hey, we are on Twitter.

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The website is knowledgefight.com, though we're on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight

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and at go2bedjordan.

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That is correct.

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We're also on Facebook.

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We are on Facebook and if you would like to listen to the show, go to iTunes, subscribe,

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download, review, go to other podcast apps, review it there, do all kinds of fun stuff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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For sure.

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Yeah.

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We'll be back but until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I am the juiciest ice

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cube.

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We'll be in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.