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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.

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This is my life.

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This is my life.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys, saying

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes.

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We like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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What is your favorite tweet?

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Tweet?

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Tweet.

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Tweet.

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Tweet.

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Have you ever had a favorite tweet, or is this a completely, like, do not give a fuck

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situation?

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I think my friend, comedian Zach Peterson, a while back, I only remember a few actual

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tweets.

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Right, well that's what I'm saying.

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So, ephemeral, it seems important if there's one that you do remember.

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His, Zach Peterson, great comedian, wrote one time, way back, back in the olden days,

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I don't know, years back, his Fuddruckers is run by the Bilderburgers.

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Bilderburgers.

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That's not bad.

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I thought it was fun.

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That's not bad.

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And then the only other one I remember is Murphy Lee from the St. Lunatics.

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We were, me and some other comics were going to St. Louis to do a show, and we were driving

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on the way, and Joe McAdam, very funny comedian, check out his sketch group, Butt, he was in

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the car.

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We were heading to the place, we were like, let's see if any St. Louis celebrities will

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come to the show, and so we tried to tweet it, like Nelly, and of course we ended up

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getting into the other St. Lunatics, and Murphy Lee were checking out his Twitter feed, and

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it was great.

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He was dropping some gems, and the only one I remember was, don't nobody love these hoes,

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but everybody loves Raymond.

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That's pretty good.

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What does that mean?

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I don't know, but it's pretty good.

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What does that mean?

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That's not bad.

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I don't know, who cares.

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Anyway, I thought it was funny.

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That is funny.

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There's a show where I know a couple of tweets, and quite a bit about Alex Jones.

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And I don't know any tweets and nothing about Alex Jones.

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Good.

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Jordan, today what we're doing is we're in the present day, and we'll be going over the

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span of August 4th and 5th, 2019, and be covering Alex Jones' immediate coverage of the shootings

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in El Paso and Dayton.

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Great.

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That's what I love.

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I hope that this won't be as awful as that sounds like it's going to be.

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I guess what I'm trying to string out here is, I think that if you're particularly sensitive

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to these topics, then proceed with caution.

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But also, I don't know if it's as horrible as you're going to imagine the content we

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cover will be.

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But then again, I'm jaded, and I don't know.

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I could be entirely off in terms of how people experience things.

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So anyway, fair warning, I guess, is the headline.

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So we're going to get into that.

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It's interesting to see how narratives are built in crisis mode and in real time.

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And I'm excited to go over all of that.

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But first, Jordan, we got to take a moment to say thank you to the people who have signed

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up and are supporting the show.

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So first, Justin, thank you so much.

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You are now PolicyWonk.

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I'm a PolicyWonk.

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Thank you, Justin.

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Thank you, Justin.

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Next, Helen.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now PolicyWonk.

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I'm a PolicyWonk.

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Thanks, Helen.

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Next, Zachary.

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Not Alex's source.

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Nor Zach Peterson.

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Neither, although Zach Peterson had a great tweet.

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That's true.

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A couple of years back.

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This guy probably had some other great tweets, also.

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Thank you so much, Zachary.

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You're now PolicyWonk.

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I'm a PolicyWonk.

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Thanks, Zachary.

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Next, ClaudiaTheNoMad.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now PolicyWonk.

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I'm a PolicyWonk.

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Thank you.

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the Nomad. Then finally, I'd like to say thank you to some people who donated on an elevated

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level, we appreciate it very much. So first of all, Emily, thank you so much. MCF, thank

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you so much. Thank you, and an apology to this person, because I mispronounced their

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name the first time. I thought it was Rup Groove. It is actually Rope, Rup Grove, almost

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mispronounced it again. But thank you. And then finally, I'm just here for the Alex Jones

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LOD Awful Movies. Thank you so much. You're all wonderful technocrats. I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate, that's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? We gotta

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go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right? Let's just get down to business. We ain't

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making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimps so good? My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you. Thank you so much, Emily. Thank you, MCF. Thank you, Rup Grove,

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and thank you, I'm just here for the Alex Jones LOD Awful Movies. Thank all of you very,

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clicking the button that says Support the Show. We would appreciate it. It would be

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lovely. Now, Jordan, this is gonna be an interesting thing. I was struck with a really interesting

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thought while I was going through a lot of this episode. And one of the things that I

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wanted to do is I wanted to sort of pose a question almost, sort of a guiding idea or

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thought to have in our minds as we go through this. And it's kind of a question that's been

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taken over by conspiracy theorists and people who oftentimes are leading people down bad

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roads. Right, right, right. Who killed JFK? Well, I mean, you could apply it to that.

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And it's the question of what if. You know, what if Oswald didn't shoot him? What if?

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And that leads you down the road to considering possibly, you know, unwise sources. You know,

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it leads you down bad roads. And I wanna hold on to that idea of what if, particularly in

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terms of Alex Jones. What if he's wrong? You know, like, for himself. What does that mean

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he's doing? You know, like, if we're wrong, what does that mean? That means, well, first

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of all, Alex needs to show me. He needs to prove any of his points. Right. And I'm willing

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to be wrong. Right, right, right. But what real world consequence does it have if we're

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wrong? Ooh, ooh, people could errantly start caring about other people and become empathic.

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Right, or... You know, in an incorrect way. It would be terrible if people did that. I

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mean, that's certainly a possibility. Maybe we would be negligent to a globalist takeover.

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But I'm not sure we're gonna be able to do anything about that as is or anybody listening.

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Doubtful. So there's that. What if Alex is wrong? He is causing... Terrorist. I wanna

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hold on to that question as we go along and just let it ruminate. So also, one of the

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things I wanted to point out before we get started is that I've been noticing in the

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present day that Alex Jones has a fucking catchphrase that he's working on. Did I do

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that? Oh, it would be great if that was it. That would be great. The tone he delivers

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it in is kind of the same. Okay. Sort of like mischievous tone. Okay. Here is a super cut

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of him saying his catchphrase from these two days' episodes. See how it works? See how

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it works? See how that works? I'm a... So he... See how that works? See how that works?

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He says that condescendingly after he thinks he's made a point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my

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God, in 2019 times he says it all the time. See how that works is his mic drop. Yeah,

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so I'm gonna keep a track of... I'm gonna keep a running track of it, see how that works

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so we can see how it works. Yeah. So we start on the fourth and that was Sunday and he records

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in the evening time. I think it's like four to six his time. So by that point he had every

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reason to be aware of both shootings. Yeah. He does not seem to be aware or he seems to

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be aware of but doesn't seem to care all that much about the Dayton shooting on the fourth.

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Because the entire thing is about the El Paso one. And I don't know why that's the case.

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I'm not entirely sure. It would be probably unwise for me to speculate. But just so everyone's

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aware, almost everything he talks about for this first August 4th episode is about the

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Texas situation. And so he starts and one of the things that's really important that

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Alex needs to do whenever he's getting ready to get into speculative, I'm going to create

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a conspiracy mode, he needs to justify that. He needs to justify the behavior since people

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rightfully call him out all the time about how what he does is really fucked up. And

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so he does that by appealing to history. Start of the next segment right out of the break.

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We're gonna come in with music. We're gonna play Madeline Albright here on air saying

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500,000 children is a good price to pay, cutting off their medicine. That's what Bill Clinton

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did. Sanctions 10 times worse than what George Herbert Walker Bush did. And he was a war

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criminal as well. But oh, they would never stage a false flag terror attack. They would

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never wind up a leftist to carry out an event. No, no.

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So we already have the insinuation that the shooter in El Paso is a leftist, which will

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develop as time goes on. But he appeals to this like, why shouldn't we question things?

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Madeline Albright said that these sanctions that killed a bunch of kids were a good like

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a good price to pay. And so they don't care about kids. Why do you think they care about

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people shopping? And that being how Alex starts his show has me really worried for him. If

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Alex is relying on an argument as flimsy as Madeline Albright said something really fucked

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up 23 years ago. So obviously the globalist would do false flag shootings like that can't

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mean he's got much to go on. If that's the opening volley that in.

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Yeah, well, it is unimpeachable logic, Dan.

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Well, certainly. The comment that she made Madeline Albright, that is she made that in

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an interview with 60 Minutes where she expressed that the consequences of sanctions against

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Saddam Hussein's government were worth it when weighed against the benefits. That's

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a horrible thing to say. And she definitely shouldn't have said that. That is my position.

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And it's also Madeline Albright's position. Alex always plays that clip of her little

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tiny clip from the 60 Minutes interview, but never discusses how she deeply regretted that

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interview and guilt about her comments plagued her. She said in her book, Madam Secretary,

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quote, little effort was made to explain Saddam's culpability, his misuse of Iraqi resources,

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or the fact that we were not embargoing medicine or food. I was exasperated that our TV was

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showing what amounted to Iraqi propaganda. I must have been crazy. I should have answered

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the question by reframing it and pointing out the inherent flaws and the premise behind

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it. Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering simply by meeting his

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obligations. Instead, I said the following. I think this is a very hard choice, but the

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price we think the price is worth it. As soon as I'd spoken, I wished for the power to freeze

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time and take back my words. My reply had been a terrible mistake, hasty, clumsy, and

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wrong. Nothing matters more than the lives of innocent people. I'd fallen into a trap

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and said something that I simply did not mean. This is nobody's fault but my own. It's interesting

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to me because take whatever you like, you know, whatever you feel about Madeline Albright,

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good or bad, out of the equation. It's really hard for me, for this not to be seen as one

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of the most apologized for and corrected statements made by a politician that I can think of.

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Albright's been very clear that she didn't make the point that she'd meant to, that she

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wishes she could take it back, and that what she said was stupid. You can find so many

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times where she's criticized herself, like from her own book to the time that Amy Goodman

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bum-rushed her at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. She'd been very clear about this.

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It's just kind of wild to me that Alex takes this as proof of exactly what he wants it

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to be proof of by depriving it of context and any of Albright's later statements where

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she tries to clarify what she meant. It means what Alex says it means because this show

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is about constructing a narrative. Also, it's hilarious to me that Alex spent so much time

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discussing how horrible Madeline Albright's comments are about sanctions, but simultaneously

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supporting Trump's sanctions on Venezuela. Trump is legit talking about a blockade to

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push for regime change there, which would be devastating to the citizenry. It's basically

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an act of war, but something tells me that Alex is going to be totally cool with it because

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globalists.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure blockades are only ever used in wars.

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It's a real aggressive act.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean-

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And if Alex doesn't turn on Trump for that, I mean, I don't know what you could say.

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Right.

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Like, why would you and then think that you get any mileage out of playing a clip of Madeline

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Albright misspeaking on 60 Minutes?

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Yeah.

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But see, this is the thing. It's important that he justify ahead of time what he knows

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he's about to do.

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Yeah.

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So if I'm going to get into rank speculation about these horrors, these atrocities that

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have happened, then I'm going to need to be like, well, they do this stuff.

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Yeah.

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So that's what he's doing.

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It is interesting to me that I can't think of any Star Wars movie where Alex isn't probably

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on the bad guy side.

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Like, he's already on the Trade Federation's blockade of Naboo.

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He's already there, man.

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He loves that shit.

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Yeah.

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That's why he always plays the Imperial March.

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We need some Jedi.

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So we've already got a horribly out of context clip of Madeline Albright that Alex is going

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to use as preemptive justification for his narrative spinning.

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So it's really funny to me that this is what he says almost immediately after that.

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If you tuned in today and you want us to break down the current climate and current system

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we're in, you found the right place.

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That's what you found.

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Really?

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I don't know exactly what's going on in El Paso, but I do know that the media is using

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the crisis to try to cause a race war in this country, and that the corporate media has

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been pushing massive, massive, massive cultural division in an attempt to get an explosion.

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There's been a full-on, full-on press for that nonstop, continually.

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So it's interesting to me that he says that, I don't know what's going on, but I do know

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that the media is making a race war.

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Yeah, it's amazing to me that we do this show, because that means that you continued listening

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after that point.

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Whereas if it were me or a right thinking person, I assume it'd be like, the media is

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trying to start a race war.

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Cool.

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Click.

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Click.

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Out.

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Bye-bye.

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Are you the media?

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Aren't you the media?

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Haven't you been inspiring racist terrorism for a while now?

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It does feel like that is the case.

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But you know what, the thing is that we're wrong, and everybody like us is wrong.

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What if?

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We're dumb crypto globalists or something.

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Oh, that sounds right.

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Because Trump doesn't fomentate, Jordan.

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That's dumb.

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I don't even like hearing you sarcastically say those words.

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It makes me so angry.

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If you don't like hearing me sarcastically say them, you're going to hate hearing Alex

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sincerely say them.

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I can't do it.

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I can't.

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That total roar can all the rest of them up there totally capitalizing on it, blaming

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the president, when you can clearly blame the Democrats if you believe their official

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story about what's happened here by foaming all of this up and making it about race war

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when Trump's not made it about race or your color or where you're from, he's made it about

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the law.

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Well, they're the ones that are invoking all this hate, always saying that Trump is the

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one that is invoking it all.

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But you're dealing with people that think, hey, five hundred thousand kids.

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Have died.

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I mean, that's like 1999 under the Clintons in just a few years and they admit they've

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died because you won't let medicine or food come in and she says, yeah, it's a good price

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to pay.

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They don't care about five hundred thousand dead children, but oh, oh, twenty innocent

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people get killed in El Paso.

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All gun owners are to blame.

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Trump's to blame.

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Alex Jones is to blame.

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QAnon's to blame.

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They're all the blame, ladies and gentlemen.

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They're all the blame.

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How illustrating is that?

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I'm really shocked he didn't end with see how that works.

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Yeah, that is the current style of his broadcast.

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I cannot believe that he's trying to variation on the theme.

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Yeah, it's pretty close.

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Yeah.

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So you see there he has to weave it back to the Madeline Albright comment because it's

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so foundational for what he feels is justifying like he knows what he's doing, like, oh, absolutely.

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There isn't any part of me that doesn't like, no, I guess I can't be 100 percent certain.

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But everything I've learned from studying Alex Jones makes me very confident that he

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enters the studio and he knows that he's going to be producing manipulative narratives about

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real world events.

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He knows that's what he's doing.

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And in order to make it feel like this is justified and make it look like that's not

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what he's doing, point to Madeline Albright saying this, bada bing, bada boom, we're in

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the clear.

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They don't care about human life because of this.

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Now I'm cool.

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Yeah, I am.

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I don't know if I'm too jaded or if I've become more mature or I'm just older, but I managed

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to keep the red flames of fire and burning hatred in my head instead of screaming them

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out through my mouth.

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Because once he started talking, I swear to God, I just wanted to you, you're the level

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of neighbors that you would have to yell back at me would make your neighbors angry.

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You've got a tough day ahead of you.

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I know this is going to be a rough, this is going to be fucking rough, Dan.

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La Croix isn't going to be enough.

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I'm listening to this and I'm going like, here's the only thing I can think of is at

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least it doesn't sound like he, he woke up and was super stoked to go on his show and

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justify white nationalist terrorism.

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Like it seems like so many of those GOP people were like, well, woke up yesterday morning

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filled with like, can't wait to tell people why the white nationalist terrorism is not

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a problem.

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It was, it's disgusting.

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I think you might be wrong about him a little bit.

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Maybe he's just a little tired.

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Well, he also recorded his like 16 minute immediate report on Saturday.

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Oh, so this is, he'd already like worked on his day off, so he was a little excited.

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Gotcha.

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Gotcha.

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But halfway expected him to pop champagne just like a 2016 election and fucking laugh.

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Well, we'll see where it goes.

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There's a, there's another thing that he needs to do.

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Like he needs, he needs to fully cloister himself within some sort of protective blanket

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about his behavior.

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Like it's, it's clear, like he has to paint the globalists who he's blaming for all of

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this as heartless, non caring about human life, totally demonic, boom.

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So you do that with the Madeleine Albright thing.

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Then you have to defend against the idea that this person who committed the actual crime

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could have been motivated by anything really, you kind of have to diffuse that from your

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conversation and you can do that by also sort of blaming the globalists.

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You know why I question mass shootings because real mass shootings happen.

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We have a lot of evil sick people in the world, but why do mass shootings happen?

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They're statistically still rare, but the media hypes them up.

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And so mentally ill people begin to think it's how they become superstars.

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In the old days, it was known that whether it was the Sears Tower or before that the

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World Trade Centers or the Empire States building or the Chrysler building in New York, that

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you might go six months when nobody jumped off of it.

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This is in criminology manuals, it's, you know, it's taught in psychology.

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This is well known information that when one person jumps off the Sears Tower or the Chrysler

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building or the Empire States building or any building that almost always within a few

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days someone else comes and tries to jump off the very same building.

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It's how copycats work.

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It's how lemmings going off a cliff operate.

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Well when you've got hundreds of movies and thousands of TV reports every year and just

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newspaper articles everywhere about mass shootings and sort of suicide by cop, just go out and

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shoot a bunch of people.

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So what Alex is doing here, what he's talking about is a real thing, but he's kind of close

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to describing a real thing.

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I would say he's still a little bit off.

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There's a phenomenon that researchers have found where media coverage of notable suicide

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seems to lead people to emulate the circumstances of the original suicide.

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This is called the Werther Effect, named after a character in Goethe's book, The Sorrows

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of Young Werther.

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In the book, Werther is rejected in love and shoots himself.

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After the book's release, there were reports of young men emulating Werther, though it's

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hard to tell how much of that reporting is sensationalized in and of itself, connecting

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disconnected cases to the book.

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It was the late 1700s after all, and it's hard to say with certainty how much of that

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is accurate.

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Whatever the case, the phenomenon was named and history has shown that there does seem

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to be a bit of a connection between high-profile suicides and rising suicide rates.

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This was seen after Robin Williams took his life, when researchers saw an almost 10% increase

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in suicides over what their model would have predicted.

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This is something that's really almost impossible to prove a causal link between, though.

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There's no way that demonstrating interesting patterns that seem to indicate that suicide

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numbers go up after the media covers a suicide, there's no way to definitively say that's

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what's causing it.

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There's a ton of other variables that could be influencing that pattern that are impossible

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to control for in any ethical experiment.

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That said, if Alex wants to take the position that coverage of a suicide does trigger copycats,

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I'm not going to fight him too much on it.

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It's worth pointing out, however, that studies trying to determine if this effect applied

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to fictionalized portrayals of suicide, like in the show 13 Reasons Why, they tried to

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study that, and they found that the results were inconclusive.

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So it's pretty ungrounded for Alex to assert that movies and TV shows were the right's

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favorite boogeyman now video games have any bearing on causing this sort of copycat behavior.

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An article in Scientific American said that this phenomenon doesn't seem to apply to TV

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and movies because, quote, it does appear the public at large are able to distinguish

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fact from fiction, which we know is a struggle for Alex.

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One thing I'm going to take a strong issue with here, though, is that he's trying to

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make this apply to all phenomenon, which I don't think he's in any way established.

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If we take as accepted that high-profile suicide can have an effect on suicide rates in the

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immediate aftermath of news reports about it, it doesn't follow that this phenomenon

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exists for mass shooters.

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It very well may, but the research that he's using to justify his claim about suicides

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does not extend to mass shooters.

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That's a leap that he has not earned the right to make and is based solely on his own assessment.

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I find the evidence to be pretty overwhelming that there is a copycat phenomenon going on

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as it relates to mass shootings, but I don't believe it's appropriate to say that it's

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the same phenomenon that is seen as it relates to suicide.

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When you make that simplistic and unfounded leap, what you're doing is attempting to whitewash

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all the other motivations that the shooter may have had.

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None of them matter, because all they were doing is they're just another suicidal kid

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who the media convinced should go shoot up someplace.

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That is, in essence, the sort of behavior you would expect out of someone conducting

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a cover-up, not because they were involved in the shooting or anything like that, but

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because on some level they know that their ideas and the things that they put into the

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world might have been.

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Beyond anything else, I find Alex's position on this to be absurd and downright offensive.

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If he believes that media coverage of things make them more likely to be copycatted, why

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does he spend so much time salaciously covering any crime an immigrant commits?

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Isn't he worried that he'll cause copycat immigrant crimes?

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If he's so worried about this phenomenon, why does he obsess about the threat of Antifa?

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Isn't he concerned that that's going to cause copycats?

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The way he carries out his broadcast doesn't support the argument he's making here.

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He's absolutely fine engaging in the exact same behavior he's condemning the media for

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in every single other circumstance that doesn't involve gun violence.

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And there's a very easy-to-figure-out reason why.

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What is that?

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I think we can guess.

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So you've got this deflection.

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You've got this framing with the Madeleine Albright quote.

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You've got this deflection with misinterpretation of the copycat effects that people experience.

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And then what you need to do is you need to minimize the situation.

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Sure, it's bad, but it's not that bad.

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So what I'm saying is, just in Cancun, it's all over Mexico, there's thousands a week

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getting killed, you never hear about it.

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And their lives are just as important as the poor people, God rest their souls, the twenty

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people who got killed.

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Fuck you.

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At the mall?

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At Walmart?

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They're saying wherever.

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Fuck you.

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In El Paso.

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So, you know, Alex is playing fast and loose here a little bit, I think.

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The way he's talking, you could easily get the impression that he's saying that thousands

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of people are killed in Cancun a week, which is completely insane.

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There were 540 murders in Cancun in 2018, which is way too many to be comfortable with,

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but it's far less than thousands a week.

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And if he's trying to say that there's thousands of murders a week in Mexico, that's even an

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absurd number.

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There were 33,341 murders investigations opened in Mexico in 2018, or approximately 641 a

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week.

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Again, that's a much higher number than we would like to see, but Alex's embellishment

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of these things is super irresponsible.

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To say that there are thousands of murders a week in Cancun or even Mexico as a whole

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is to create an exaggerated image of what's going on in that country.

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Ironically, if he believes that there are thousands of murders a week in a city in Mexico

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or just Mexico, he's even more of a complete monster for opposing people making refugee

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claims.

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But that's a separate issue, and no need to get into that necessarily.

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Furthermore, it's kind of offensive to say that the media doesn't talk about the violence

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and cartel crime going in Mexico.

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From my perspective, I've seen plenty of coverage of it, Alex is trying to paint a false equivalence

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by making an exaggerated, completely untrue claim about the murders in Mexico and saying

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that that is what the media should be covering, simply as a way of deflecting from people

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having a very needed conversation about gun violence in our country.

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And again, it's pretty simple to see why he would do that.

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Ugh, I hate that fucking, uh, oh yeah yeah yeah, no, you're gonna complain about the

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mass shooting at Waco or at El Paso or whatever it is?

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What about, in Laos, a guy was killed yesterday, isn't his life as important as, and the media's

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not talking about that?

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What about that?

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What about that, Dan?

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Huh?

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Come at me.

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It's a strategy that's just inherently a trap.

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Yeah.

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It makes it so, no matter how you reply, you either get bogged down into an unwinnable

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conversation that the person who's trying to bait you into the conversation, they also

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do not care about that at all.

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No, not even a little bit.

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And then the alternative is that they get to paint you as someone who doesn't care about

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people in foreign countries dying.

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Yeah, it's war games.

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It's possible to care about multiple things simultaneously, even passionately.

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Yeah.

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It's possible.

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It's war games, the only way to win is not to play.

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Perhaps.

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Well, we get to the big narrative now in this next clip here.

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This is what's going to guide Alex's belief that this is a false flag, that the El Paso

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shooting was set up by the globalists, and then they're using it to demonize Trump, Alex,

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the Patriots, all that good stuff.

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Right.

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They were wearing Adidas shoes, which everybody knows is the official footwear of the globalists.

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Sure.

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That could be.

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That's probably a more interesting theory than what he's got.

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Yeah, you're probably.

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But this will be the underpinning of it all.

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So up to this point, we've got all of the preparation that's needed in order to justify

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this sort of behavior.

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And now this is the behavior.

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But we're hearing on every Sunday news show, Donald Trump did it.

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Donald Trump, Alex Jones, Paul Joseph Watson, Southern Poverty Law Center has put out the

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reports within hours of the shooting.

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It happened at like 1130 in the morning.

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I knew about it at 1230.

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I was already working and here came the Southern Poverty Law Center article and oh, social

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media showed he liked Alex Jones and QAnon.

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Then I noticed it was confirmed that someone was in control of this person's social media

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and was erasing that he was a Democrat and was erasing that his dad gave money to mass

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shooting victims and was an anti-gunner and was a psychologist at a running a psychiatric

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facility.

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It's always the same.

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And so in a lifetime, and I have the articles, I'll cover them, they were removing, he was

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a Democrat, they were removing all this stuff.

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They were putting my name in there.

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I would say that when you hear stuff like that, you kind of get the sense that Alex

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is kind of eager to be associated.

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I really, I just wrote down...

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Remember when you said earlier that he doesn't seem anxious for it?

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Nevermind.

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Yeah.

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I just wrote down, he's like, I really wish I got more headlines saying that I was involved

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in this.

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He's trying out his way to put himself in the conversation.

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Yeah.

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Donald Trump and me, you know, two equal people who are a part of this whole situation.

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And QAnon.

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Yep.

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Even if there's a loose connection between yourself and a shooter, like he was your fan,

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there's a way to cover that with dignity.

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And this is not it.

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What Alex is doing is trying to deny that the shooter was his fan, if he was, and then

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creating a greater conspiracy on top of the whole thing that places the focus squarely

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on himself.

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This is Alex's strategy to make himself the real victim of the shooting, more or less,

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which is a monstrous behavior, and something he should be deeply ashamed of.

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I really wanted to get to the bottom of this and see if there was any truth to what Alex

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was saying, but I was kind of impeded on my ability to do so, because there wasn't any

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coverage of this social media stuff on Infowars' website, which is really where you'd think

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the proof would be if this was a conspiracy that Alex was going to put out on his show.

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And yet there was nothing to be found there.

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It took a little bit of digging, but I figured out what was up.

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This is a story about the shooter's My Life page.

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For those of you who don't know, My Life is a website that uses publicly available information

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about people to create profiles of them.

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It's super fucked up, and I hate that I now know that it exists.

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Wait.

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Wait.

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Wait.

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Mm-hmm.

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So it's just a data aggregator that creates a profile for you?

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Sort of, yeah.

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You don't have to have any involvement with it.

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So it can make a profile regardless of whether or not you have ever heard of My Life?

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Yeah, I believe so.

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After the shooting, there were allegations that someone had gone into this shooter's

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My Life page and changed his political affiliation from Democrat to Republican.

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They'd further added references to him being a QAnon believer, an NRA supporter, and an

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incel.

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Obviously, this was the work of leftists trying to cover up that this guy was one of them,

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and then they were going to leave the noble Donald Trump holding the bag.

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Sure.

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The problem is that the shooter didn't even have a profile on My Life until after the

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shooting.

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One was made for him right after the first news broke with his identity, and when it

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was first put up, there was no political affiliation listed.

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After that, someone edited it to say that he was a Democrat with no evidence provided.

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They also put his religious beliefs and ethnicity as Antifa.

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Then people started editing it to say that he was a Republican and into QAnon.

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And honestly, from there, it got even wilder.

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People just kept editing it.

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Yeah, this became a Wikipedia entry.

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Donald Trump was a national hero edit.

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Donald Trump is not edit.

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At the point that Snopes decided to stop following the edits to the profile, his bio said, quote,

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registered Democrat, and his political affiliation was listed as Republican.

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So it kind of come to a truce.

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Sure, sure.

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Fine.

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This is a case of dumb-dumbs on both sides trying to edit this guy's profile in order

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to make him fit a specific box that they want him to fit.

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My Life is a super easily edited website, and they explicitly say about the information

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on the site, quote, we cannot fully guarantee its accuracy.

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The point here is that even in ideal circumstances, My Life is not a place where real information

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should be pulled from unless it can be verified elsewhere.

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Alex is pretending that it is his social media page and it was scrubbed, when in reality

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it was a page created by people wanting to portray him as Antifa that was then edited.

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He's reporting the second part, but not the first, because Alex Jones hates context.

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He loves narratives.

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It doesn't matter if they're true.

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It just matters if they sell.

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Also, here's the story that Alex is spinning about the shooter's father.

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The father is a mental health counselor who treated people with post-traumatic stress

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disorder.

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About a year or so back, the Veterans Administration had referred a guy to his clinic to help with

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his PTSD, which was the result of a man showing up at his door and shooting him.

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The father had worked with the guy and had set up a GoFundMe page to help him with the

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immediate expenses that he was unable to cover on his own.

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This is what Alex is making sound suspicious and is proof of a conspiracy.

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The fact that his father worked in the mental health field and that he had helped one of

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his patients setting up crowdfunding so they wouldn't go bankrupt as a consequence of them

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being shot.

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Legitimately, Alex is a huge piece of shit.

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There's no two ways about this.

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Shouldn't he be in favor of veterans receiving treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder?

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Shouldn't he be in favor of therapists helping them set up crowdfunding for their bills since

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Alex is so goddamn opposed to the state paying for that shit?

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Look for one second about why he would take these things that he should be in favor of

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and just put a little tone on them and make them seem suspicious and proof of a conspiracy

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in this instance, and I think you'll pretty easily figure out why he's operating this

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way.

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Why is he operating this way?

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I don't know.

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Every time you do that, I'm going to wait a beat and then ask you the question.

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So get prepared for that.

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Fair enough.

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Do you see?

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Do you see now?

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So you see...

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See how that works?

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You see the narrative that Alex is setting up, which is that this page was edited to

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cover up that he was a Democrat, when in reality, the situation is super easily edited page

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by anybody publicly can do it.

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It wasn't even there before the shooting.

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It's nonsense pointlessness that shouldn't be addressed.

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It was a propaganda...

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It was an attempt at propaganda, then ping-ponged back and forth between people who were editing

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his page, and then that ping-ponging itself is now being used as Alex for propaganda to

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make his spurious claims.

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So that's where we're at.

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It doesn't matter.

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Now Alex lies explicitly about that My Life page.

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But here it is, leftist change shooter, Patrick Cruzius's My Life page after Saturday's shooting

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from Democrat to Republican.

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It had been up for years that he was a Democrat, up there for years.

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All the stuff that's seen now, it gets changed.

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After he's in custody...

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Oh, boy.

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I'm busy lying...

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And they...

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Thoughts?

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What am I thinking?

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Say that it's me, that I made him do this.

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Here's a shot right here for TV viewers.

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Just right here.

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So we're...

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No one said you made him do it.

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No.

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I really don't know where Alex is getting the, this page was up for years thing from,

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but he's definitely trying to drive that point home.

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He says it twice in that clip, and those weird long pauses are definitely upsetting.

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But it's absolutely not true.

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I was thinking that it would be a weird thing for him to make up himself.

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But if he did, that would indicate that it's something that's important for him to attach

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to this story.

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The story of the My Life page appears to have been broken by Jim Hoft at the Gateway Pundit.

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It has a pretty full encapsulation of the narrative, the post on Gateway Pundit, namely

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that it asserts without any proof that leftists were the ones who were editing the profile

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to hide that he was a registered Democrat.

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The article in its current form has a correction at the bottom of the page saying that the

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page, the My Life page, was created after the shooting.

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But it's not correcting any explicit claims that I can find in previous versions of the

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article, like the previous versions didn't allege that it had been up for years the way

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Alex is.

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I legitimately can't find that claim in any of the places where Alex is known to gather

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his information from.

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Obviously, I can't possibly know what kind of sick and cheap impulses drive Alex to behave

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the way he does, but if I had to guess, I would say this is an indication that he's

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fully aware at this point, when he's reporting this, that the page was made after the shooting,

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and that whenever whatever troll created it put the page up, it was made to make it look

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like the shooter was Democrat and antifa.

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Alex needs the perception to be that this page had been up for years, because the fact

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that it hadn't completely destroys his cause for suspicion here.

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It also underlies how easy it is for anyone to edit My Life pages.

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If Alex's listeners understood the specifics of the situation, they would know that there

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isn't anything suspicious about this.

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It's just trolls on the internet going back and forth editing a meaningless page that

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the shooter had zero to do with.

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If Alex's narratives are to work at all, he needs the audience to not understand the specifics

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of this situation.

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It's in his best interests that they believe misinformation, so that's what he offers them.

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Yeah, it does have the feel of him like grasping for some kind of lie.

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Something.

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And then hitting on the, like, it's been up for years almost in the moment.

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Right.

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And I wonder if that-

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And that long pause afterwards was him being like, I know that it's not been up for years.

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Or I wonder if it's someone in his ear being like, Alex.

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Yeah, that's possible.

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Alex.

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That's possible.

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Yeah.

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That's just not true.

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Yeah.

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That is fact and you're lying to people.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You're either indicating that you don't know what you're talking about or you're lying.

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One of the two.

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I would say the worst that the voice in his ear would do is, Alex, you made a mistake

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on that.

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It has not been up for years.

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No way would the producer be like, Alex, quit lying.

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Yeah.

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That's their bread and butter.

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Yeah.

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But I think even they might realize like, Alex, you're drifting into behaviors that

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have gotten you sued before.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And you're not going to get sued about saying that this page had been up for a long time,

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like for years, like direct opposition to reality.

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But that sort of behavior, if applied to other areas of this story, could get you screwed.

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Yeah.

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Alex, reign it in.

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Reign it in.

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I think there might be, I hope someone is giving him that call because he's not reining

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it in.

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I'll tell you who isn't, Barnes.

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Barnes is in his ear going like, keep on going.

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Barnes.

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I got a job coming soon.

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But Barnes, I think, is smart enough to stay the fuck off air in this aftermath of a tragedy.

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I think he knows like, fuck this, I'll let Alex do this.

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Yeah.

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Have fun, Alex.

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It's so crazy what guests he ends up actually having, though.

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Right, right.

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Oh, God.

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Is the nuge coming on to say that everybody was fine?

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Nope.

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Nuge is smarter than that.

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Fair.

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The people he gets, oh boy.

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So Alex talks about this, how he talked to reporters that he works with at InfoWars.

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Unfair to call them reporters.

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Yeah, that's...

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His employees.

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Yes.

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He had spoken to his underlings about the coverage that they were going to put out about

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this story.

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And I think he says a little bit too much in this next clip about their intentions.

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But then he just fucking fumbles the ball really hard while trying to remember past

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conspiracies.

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So we're punished for really reporting what's going on.

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So I don't know who this guy is, but I'm talking to Millie Weaver, and I'm talking to my reporters

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yesterday afternoon, and Millie says to me, well, I'm going to look and see if his parents

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are psychologists because, you know, they're usually the psychologists, like she sort of

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lists in the cases where the shooter, and I'm going to cover this coming up, in Aurora,

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remember that, Colorado, said he was under mind control, said his family did it to him,

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said that a psychologist did it to him.

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And it turned out that his psychiatrist was the former head psychiatrist in the Air Force

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over a DARPA program that puts brain chips in troops.

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You can't make that up.

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Well, I remember that one, and yes, you can.

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Someone can make that up.

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Oh, yeah.

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First things first, at the end there, Alex is completely mixing up his narratives about

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the Aurora shooting.

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We covered it back in the 2013 investigation, but the narratives about the DARPA program

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and the Air Force psychologist, which are both bullshit on their own, are completely

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different lies.

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It's supposed to be that James Holmes was in a DARPA program and got a bunch of money

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from DARPA, and also that his psychologist, Dr. Fenton, was an Air Force mind control

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doctor.

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James Holmes knows that all the shit he talks about is basically bullshit.

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He doesn't care about being accurate about any of it.

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He cares so little that he doesn't even realize that he's combining two narratives into one.

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Also, I don't remember mind control chips being part of the conspiracy back then, so

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I guess it's a later development of the story, which also isn't real.

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Yeah, me neither.

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I remember we talked about that pretty extensively and well-researched, but now he's adding some

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Manchurian candidate stuff in there, so good on him.

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I think that was always kind of the flavor of it.

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But then also, he's lying even about the lie about the jailhouse stuff.

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That just comes from a book of a guy who was trying to get...

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He wrote the book because the state's attorney didn't believe him.

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He was trying to shop for a shorter sentence.

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It's all bullshit.

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And they're still like, oh, my family did it to me.

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That's completely...

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That's not even part of the conspiracy back then.

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Why are you doing this?

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Add anything you want.

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It's all lies anyways.

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Add whatever you need for the narrative you're trying to push.

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But it's such a lack of professionalism, even within the area of lying.

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Right.

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That's why he's got the greatest job in the world.

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It's crazy that...

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He doesn't even need to keep his lies straight.

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It's crazy that even people who believe him and listen to him don't notice and be like,

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hold on.

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You are sloppy.

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It's a doomsday cult saying we're going to go down on December 15th, 2003, and then when

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the date comes, the cult stays and he's like, I misread it and now it's 4,000.

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They don't give a fuck what it is.

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They're there for the fun.

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And now they're excited to learn that James Holmes' family did it.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Oh, and that proves that people's families are...

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When they're psychologists, it's dangerous.

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So I think the most important thing here is that what Alex is describing when he's talking

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about with Millie Weaver, that's a textbook case of confirmation bias.

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Before setting out to do any of the research, Millie Weaver has told Alex that she feels

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like a lot of mass shooters' parents are psychologists.

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She's entering the research with a conclusion already decided.

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She's not setting out to find out if mass shooters have psychologist parents more often

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than would be expected.

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She's setting out to find a few examples that fit her decided talking point, then she's

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going to make a propaganda video presenting it as if it means anything.

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I legitimately don't even care to engage with that shit.

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No, not even a little bit.

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It's such a transparently dishonest way to try and make an argument that whatever the

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ensuing product is, it's meaningless.

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And ultimately, whatever rebuttal I could make would be equally meaningless.

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I could point out to you tons of mass shooters whose parents weren't psychologists, but ultimately

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that wouldn't really have proved any greater point other than to show that the examples

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that Millie or Alex would be using would be cherry-picked intentionally to make their

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argument as opposed to being the product of thorough and methodical analysis of case studies.

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I feel like climate change isn't happening, scientist, here is a giant bag of money, prove

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to me that climate change isn't happening.

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Right.

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The only reason that somebody would operate this way, the way that Alex is clearly describing

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Millie is operating, is because they're trying to create a distraction.

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Absolutely.

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Anything to not talk about guns, anything to not talk about radicalization, both in

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terms of right-wing shit and in terms of misogyny, all of these conversations are too threatening

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to the underpinnings of the world that they profit off of.

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So to defend that toxic hellscape, you just pitch the theory that all these shooters are

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the children of therapists and set out to find a few examples to make a video about.

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This is pathetic and transparent behavior and lame.

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Yeah.

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Lame.

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I, you know, these people are such psychopaths at this point.

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I always wonder if like Mitch McConnell, like Alex Jones goes home and looks at Rex and

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goes, I'm helping to make sure that you might die in a mass shooting.

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I'm helping to make sure that the next match mass shooting raise the risk.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm, I'm making sure that another mass shooting is going to occur.

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That's my job today.

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Today is the day that I say one more mass shooting at least.

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Uh, I don't know, man.

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It's a, it's, they just don't feel, well, this is where we get back to that.

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What if question?

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Yeah.

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It's like, what if you're like, what if you're just full of shit about all this?

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What are you bringing about?

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What another mass shooting?

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What?

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Anyway.

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Um, in this next clip, Alex discusses the three shooters from the past week or so.

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Uh, and he says something about them and then realizes, I should not have said that Mike

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down for this.

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This is, if there's a moment of levity in this, it's Alex's response to realizing what

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road he's almost about to go down.

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We've got the garlic shooter, the El Paso shooter and the Dayton shooter.

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These guys coming out of a cloning tank.

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I mean, what the hell's going on with these boys?

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That long pause, I think is an indication that what he had just done is been like, these

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are all young white men.

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He's like, look at these, look at these three shooters from the last week.

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They all look the same.

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Oh, Oh, what characteristics do they share?

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Oh no.

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Oh no.

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Oh no.

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I know it's not funny to laugh about the, you know, these people being shooters, but

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Alex is like, his whole thing is so built on the defense of particularly white males.

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He realized he accidentally stumbled on the truth.

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If I can, if I continue to follow this thought, I am going to be like, Oh, look at all these

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young white men shooting places.

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Hey, uh, Melly, there's three, these three guys look a lot alike.

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Do you want to start going back through a lot of these mass shooters and see if they

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have a lot of things in, Oh, we're going to have to go to break.

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Okay.

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You can't make videos anymore.

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Yeah.

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Milly, who, um, so, uh, that's, that's kind of like the, you know, that's as good as silliness

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of, uh, his nonsense.

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Yeah.

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Um, so I think that Alex realizes he's got to even further defend, uh, what he's doing

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and his behavior.

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And so you again, appeals, um, to the past and other things that have happened.

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So you see, it's worth it to the left to kill people, to lie about WMDs, to stage things.

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And so if they lied about dead babies and incubators, or they staged other events where

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real people die, but somebody else did it to get us on board to their agenda, then it's

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normal.

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In fact, you should question everything and they caught the left.

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We'll cover this next segment, going on to all this supposed shooter, social media, where

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he was a Democrat and all that, and changing it over to Alex Jones, Paul Joseph Watson,

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QAnon and Donald Trump.

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And we have all the screenshots from the way back machine.

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They don't even care.

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They're getting caught.

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So, uh, I mean, that's all just the, my life stuff.

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I think that that clip very neatly demonstrates Alex Jones manipulates people.

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It's pretty complex.

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I'm gonna take this piece by piece.

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The first element is the completely deceptive argument that he, uh, that he's just questioning

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an event.

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That's bullshit.

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He's building a case that these shootings are false flags and he knows that's what he's

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doing.

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Because his shit is weak and he doesn't want to get sued, he hides behind this, why is

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it wrong to question things, horseshit, whenever all of his reporting is guiding listeners

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to a clearly planned conclusion that this is a false flag.

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And that is the work of a true coward.

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The second element is the basic argument he's using to justify the act of questioning things,

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which again is not what he's doing.

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He is misinforming.

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He argues that because something in the past was deceptive, it stands to reason that all

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future things could be.

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And honestly, I don't have a problem with that argument.

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It's a basic position of skepticism that's probably healthy.

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The problem comes when we realize again that Alex is not just questioning things.

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He's building misinformation narratives.

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If he were questioning things, he would approach the situation from a position of caution and

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a hesitance to report anything definitively.

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Instead, what do we see?

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We see Alex creating a talking point that all these mass shooters are the kids of psychologists

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who are probably secretly working for DARPA and misleading his audience about the edits

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that were made to a My Life page that the shooter had nothing to do with.

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This is not questioning.

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This is misinformation propaganda, meant to guide his listeners away from the aspects

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of the story that are threatening to his business, his worldview, and his revenue stream.

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Now, he's only able to justify his argument by employing the third element of his manipulation.

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And that is on full display here.

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And that is the complete meaninglessness of terms.

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The examples he comes up with, the babies and incubators thing and weapons of mass destruction,

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who is responsible for those lies?

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The first was an excuse to get into the first Gulf War, and the second was a pretext for

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the war in Iraq.

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The first was a George H.W. Bush administration, and the second was W. Bush and his administration.

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Ah, but they're both globalists.

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Well, but see, that's the thing.

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In this argument, Alex has defined those two Republican administrations as the left.

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Yeah.

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This is incredibly manipulative framing.

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To call the Bush administration's the left is to give up on even the slimmest pretense

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that you're talking about anything real.

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The left is just another name for the globalists or the deep state for Alex now.

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So whenever anybody he doesn't like did something, hey, it's all them, it's the left.

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This is how children think.

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And it's really stupid to hear a 45-year-old man carrying on like this.

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It's embarrassing.

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But here's the thing.

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There's no non-embarrassing way for Alex to make the arguments that he's trying to make.

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Oh, no, absolutely not.

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So he has to.

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He has to do things like this and move around quick enough and pray that people don't take

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the time to recognize what he's doing.

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These are tricks.

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He's using tricks that are very, very clear and effective, unfortunately.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They're very distracting.

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Yep.

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Because you almost didn't even catch that.

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The left part.

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I mean, I just I just filter out whatever it is.

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He thinks like if he says the left, I'm like, it doesn't fucking matter.

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If he says globalist, it doesn't fucking matter.

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It's anybody he feels like hating today is part of Antifa.

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That's it.

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That's fair.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, we get to Alex playing a special report that is about how he predicted

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the El Paso shooting in advance.

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As we said, he did.

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We very much said when it when he was building those narratives way back when that he is

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pre-justifying a mass shooting being a false flag.

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Well, certainly.

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But he did he as I understand that some some of the clips I had heard, he did predict something

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was going to happen in El Paso.

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But I can explain that entirely and I will over the course of the show.

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So I don't believe that he gets credit for being a psychic.

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But here is a bit of that special report.

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Two days after Alex Jones predicts that false flags are going to be carried out and blamed

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on the QAnon movement and American patriots, lone gunman Patrick Crucias is arrested for

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the El Paso massacre.

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His social media page, My Life, was changed to say that he was a follower of QAnon and

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his designation as a registered Democrat was changed to Republican.

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So you can see that this My Life thing is just an essential piece.

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It's everywhere throughout these both of these episodes.

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That's the bedrock of why are we questioning things?

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Well, because we're misleading you about this.

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Right.

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Um, I, I do not understand why you would do that unless you are a fucking idiot.

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Well, like that, that whole like two days before this mass shooting happened, Alex Jones

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predicted that a false flag would.

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Right.

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So you didn't do so you knew that some shit was going to happen and you didn't do a goddamn

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thing about it.

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And he yells about it that this.

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So the fuck?

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What?

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That's not a that's not something you should take pride in.

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I predicted that.

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That's fucking stupid.

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He doesn't care.

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No, of course he does.

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That works.

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See how that works?

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Well, the reality is that Alex says that there's false flags coming literally every day.

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So it's not that big a deal for him to have.

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There was a propaganda narrative that was going around that involved Antifa and El Paso.

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Right.

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And that's the reason why Alex said El Paso when he was talking about a coming false flag.

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So it's just his normal.

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There's going to be a false flag.

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Summer of Rage.

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It happens every single day.

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And it just so happened that he was in the middle of working on this other propaganda

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narrative about Antifa coming to El Paso.

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So it's a confluence of events that is it creates the appearance that Alex is onto something

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when in reality it's the most normal thing for to expect from his show.

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Yeah.

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And it's not that he has very strong predictive abilities.

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So in this next clip, there's a there's a the globalist created QAnon.

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I don't know if you know that.

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I did not.

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This is a new development.

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This I was going to say, didn't weren't we?

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We've been pinging back and forth from liking to disliking QAnon for a while now.

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Yeah.

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Not you and I.

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No, Alex.

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Certainly not.

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No.

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Last I remember hearing he was anti.

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But then he also thought that there was some good information that came out of it.

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Yeah.

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I don't.

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Specifically contracts or whatever.

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That wasn't Q.

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No, that was four.

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That's right.

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That was 4chan.

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Gotcha.

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But QAnon was on 8chan.

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And bye bye.

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I think.

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I don't know.

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I don't know what the status is, but I think it's gone.

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Anyway, Alex thinks that the globalists created QAnon.

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Sure.

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And there's a reason.

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And they're cutting into his business.

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Nope.

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This is a great conspiracy.

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If I were grading Alex's conspiracies, I'd be like, you sat down and thought about this

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for a minute.

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At least.

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This one's up?

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It's not good.

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It's still stupid.

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But compared to some of the other weak bullshit he tries, this is at least like, all right,

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you at least have a cause and effect here.

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And I'm just thinking about, man, Antifa's getting ready to launch more terror attacks.

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How are they going to launch these attacks that have the media cover it up, but then

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act like it's part of a civil war?

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They're going to need some type of right wing group that they can cut out and blame.

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But because libertarians and Christians and conservatives know not to be offensively violent

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because we're law abiding and because we understand they're trying to set us up, we've never taken

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the bait even when Antifa attacks us.

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But if you've got a Q movement, it's perfect to have globalist informants and foundation

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operatives and deep staters that are in the FBI, particularly go out, reach out, wind

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up people believing they're working with the president to attack a dam or to go kill the

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Gambino crime boss or to kill their brother with a sword or whatever.

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And it becomes this giant cauldron now because they identify whether they can then be set

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up and then that can be the excuse to say, oh, it's not just Antifa.

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No, no, no.

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Q did this.

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See, that's a good conspiracy.

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It's really what he should have been saying all along, more or less like because the vagueness

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and like the complete mystery and anonymous aspect of Q is the sort of thing you can paint

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whatever you want on it.

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I think Alex didn't do this before because he was afraid of losing too much of his audience

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who were into Q. And of course, Jerome Corsi, back when he worked for Infowars, was writing

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a fucking book about Q until that went south.

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But yeah, I think that this is the sort of thing that you can get some mileage out of

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because it achieves the goal that you want it to achieve, which is it creates a justification

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for all right-wing violence, more or less.

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You could just attribute it to that.

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It's all the left, actually.

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Right.

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All real stuff is the left and then all the rest of it is also the left, but they're doing

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it through QAnon because of the mysterious anonymous nature of it.

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All the foundation people can hide.

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It's the greatest gift Alex could have ever had.

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I don't know why he hasn't used it yet.

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I will give you one theory on why he hasn't used it because he just said that they convinced

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them into believing they're working with the president.

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Oh, sure.

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So that kind of suggests that it's very easy to believe that you're working with the president

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while committing white terrorism, while committing terrorist acts against, you know?

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It definitely does.

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Yeah, it seems like it would be easy.

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Alex's conception to trick yourself into thinking that you were doing that for the president.

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Based on everything the president says, I'm clearly working with the president.

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Which alone is a bad sign.

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I would say also that he doesn't want to attack people who imagine that they're working for

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the president because it opens too many boxes for him about his tenuous association with

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the White House.

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Yeah, he needs people to believe that they're working for God and vengeance is his, say

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it the Lord.

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And that Alex is in constant contact with the White House.

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Yes, absolutely.

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He doesn't want to call that into question.

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So there's a lot of stupid shit that Alex has been saying so far.

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I think I can say that with some confidence.

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But you should know that he is very smart.

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I really don't think so.

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But do you know why he's smart?

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Providence?

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He studies.

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No, that can't be it.

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Study wasn't on his four ways to learn.

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Well, I study things, I watch what's happening.

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And I saw the FBI director, Ray, come out.

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That's a deep stater and say white people are terrorists.

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They're striking everywhere.

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They're incredibly dangerous, even though the statistics really don't even show that.

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He gave out false statistics.

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They ignore all the, quote, minority crime against whites that is exploding because the

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media is promoting it.

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We're not saying the average minority is a bad person, but the media is promoting attacks.

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And then I saw all the FBI reports coming out saying the conspiracy theorists that say

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the Clintons are involved in child trafficking, why they're going to launch terror attacks.

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That was clearly a cover for all the Jeffrey Epstein news that's coming out.

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And then I saw the FBI come out and say that is the Clintons that still kind of run most

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of it and say that QAnon is going to launch terror attacks with Alex Jones.

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And I went, OK, it's clear Antifa says they're going to El Paso.

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They say they're going to blow up ice facilities.

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They're going to need a pretext to make it look like that's legitimate.

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And lo and behold, it happens two days later.

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Did they blow up ice facilities while we weren't paying attention?

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No, I didn't see that.

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So you literally can't say things like that.

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What he just said in that last clip on this show where you're trying to hide behind the

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I'm just questioning things defense.

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What Alex Jones did right there was make a gigantic conspiracy in order to maintain his

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absurd and dangerous worldview, which is not the same thing as being skeptical.

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Just imagine all the things that Alex needs to substantiate to make that clip mean anything.

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He needs to provide real crime statistics he feels the FBI is covering up.

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He needs to validate his contention that the crime statistics are fake.

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He needs to substantiate how lowering media coverage of Epstein matters at all in terms

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of his prosecution.

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He needs to substantiate his claim that the media is promoting minority crime against

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whites.

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He needs to demonstrate that FBI Director Wray is a deep stater.

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He needs to prove that the Clintons run most of the FBI.

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He needs to specify what most of the FBI means.

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He needs to show a citation for where the FBI said that QAnon was going to launch terror

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attacks with Alex Jones.

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He needs to show when Antifa said they were going to blow up ice facilities.

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He needs to show literally any connection between the El Paso shooting and Antifa coming

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to El Paso.

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He needs to do all of these things.

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And he can do all of those things in one second.

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Hold on, Dan.

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Jengling keys!

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Jengling keys!

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He just doesn't have the time on his show because it's not four hours.

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Oh, it is four hours now.

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Oh, it is four hours.

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Oh, all right.

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Jengling keys!

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Until he demonstrates or proves any of this stuff, it's all just rambling bullshit based

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on nothing.

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None of that means anything.

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That was a one-minute clip and there's like ten unsubstantiated claims that he throws

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out in order to build his notion that the El Paso shooting was done to create a justification

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for Antifa to attack people.

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This is shitty work.

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And I need to be clear about two things.

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One, I don't need to rebut any of this.

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It's all meaningless ramblings, rolling forth on the head of a paranoid man who knows his

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scam is running out of gas.

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I don't give a shit about trying to demonstrate why this theory is stupid and makes no sense.

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Two, this is not questioning things.

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This is a narrative that Alex has built, both from his own imagination and things he probably

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found on 4chan or 8chan, which he's now passing off as the official unofficial story of what

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happened.

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I know this is probably getting repetitive, but it needs to be said over and over again.

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Alex is not questioning things.

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He's creating and disseminating talking points for misinformation campaigns, which is all

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he does.

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He's creating Facebook arguments.

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He's creating... somebody posts something...

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Ironically, he's not on Facebook.

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No, exactly.

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But somebody posts something like, we got to stop gun violence and then here's a study

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and then somebody goes, well, it's fucking pointless and stupid and it just keeps us

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from doing anything.

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He's trying to give a little bit of, like he's trying to disseminate talking points.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's all it is.

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Yep.

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So one of the things that Alex kept bringing up, I think I've mentioned this already, is

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that the idea that prior to the shooting in El Paso, Antifa had announced that they were

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going to lay siege to El Paso, burned down ICE facilities and tried to start a civil

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war.

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I really don't remember the official spokesperson for Antifa bringing that out on account of

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1.

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He doesn't exist.

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It's Antifa.

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And 2.

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What are you fucking talking about?

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Yeah, I mean, for most of the episode he's talking about, I just kind of let it slide

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because I know that Alex is full of shit, especially when it comes to railing about

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Antifa.

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Yeah.

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He just makes shit up.

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And even when it is based on something, it's based on some random post on a message board

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full of Nazis.

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It has a deeply unpleasant user interface.

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So I don't want to dig through it and try and find the fuck he's talking about.

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But after he keeps bringing it up, I was like, fuck, all right, let's see what he's talking

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about.

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I don't have a plan to invade El Paso.

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All bite.

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This is all based on a right-wing misinformation campaign that mostly traces back to Andy Ngo,

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the completely neutral and very legitimate journalist who helped fuel the concrete milkshakes

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narrative a little while back.

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On July 29th, Andy posted a couple pictures of flyers put out by a group called Border

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Resistance, advertising their upcoming tour, including stops in Santa Cruz, Oakland, Minneapolis,

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Chicago, and then their last stop in El Paso on September 1st.

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Andy posted these flyers with the commentary, quote, Antifa is leading a border resistance

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militancy training tour that will converge on a 10-day siege of El Paso.

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The promotional image shows border enforcement officers being killed and government property

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firebombed.

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From there, the narrative got rolling.

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People just started to mirror Andy's framing of the event.

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Fox News used Andy's tweet as a source so they could write a story about how Antifa

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was going to start a terror campaign in El Paso.

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And now the narrative has found its way to Alex.

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And that's what he was basing his prediction that there was going to be a false flag in

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El Paso on.

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According to them, this was Antifa, and they were coming to bomb ice buildings in El Paso.

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Unfortunately, all of that is right-wing propaganda bullshit.

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The website for border resistance clearly lists the groups involved, and none of them

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are known to be associated with Antifa, which is a stupid framing of the point since Antifa

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isn't a centralized group in any meaningful way.

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One of the main groups involved, the Hekate Society, said, quote, we are not offering

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militancy training.

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We're having educational workshops about what's happening on the border and how to work better

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inside of communities.

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It's not militancy training in any way, which was Andy's framing of it, not reality.

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But that's because they're preempting, or at least co-opting, or maybe just full-on

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projecting that that's what they're doing.

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Well, of course, they just don't make flyers.

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They're creating militant operations, so they have to attribute to the left a military operation

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in order to justify them creating a military operation.

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Which is what Alex is doing in that clip that I said was a fairly decent conspiracy, at

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least cause and effect-wise.

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So the Hekate Society said that the image that they used on the poster, the one of protesters

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shooting arrows at an ice castle, was meant as satire and not to imply any kind of intention

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of violence, and that they were going to change it to avoid any further misunderstanding,

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which I would point out is an intentional misunderstanding.

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Yeah, and fuck that.

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you.

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The reality of the situation is that an immigrant rights group was planning a tour where they

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would have workshops about how to best respond to worsening situations in their communities

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and around their communities, and they chose a possibly ill-advised picture for their flyer.

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From there, imaginative shitheads like Andy Ngo ran with it and created a whole narrative

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of planned terror campaigns and decided to call this group Antifa because it fit their

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pre-existing narratives.

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This story was a lie, but it didn't get a ton of traction until after the shooting in

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El Paso, at which point it could be incorporated into a larger conspiracy.

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It's fascinating, really.

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It started out as just a way to smear and obstruct the organizing capabilities of non-white

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peoples trying to protest conditions at the border, and ultimately, through the worst

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possible coincidences, it turned into a narrative that Alex is using to argue that the El Paso

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shooting is a false flag.

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Way!

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Hey, that's just synergy, Dan.

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That's in their world a happy accident, I guess.

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That Dr. Seuss book, Oh, the Places You'll Go, comes to mind.

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I don't know why, but this conspiracy narrative, when it's born, you don't know where you're

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gonna go.

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It's bad.

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Do you see now?

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Yeah, I see how it works.

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So in this next clip, Alex does something.

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This is another really essential framing for him whenever he's trying to craft the presentation

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of these horrible events as false flags.

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There's something that he has to do.

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This is...

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I don't know how to set this up, but this is important.

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It's their pre-hype that's so obvious.

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Oh my God, the Nazis are gonna be attacking any men if they're everywhere, they're Trump!

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And then it happens.

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So what he's talking about with the pre-hype there is that FBI memo that came out that

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was talking about conspiracy theory-related violence is a rising threat.

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Right.

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Alex Jones is a painfully stupid guy, but this is one of those moments where you see

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how he's been pretty smart in crafting a worldview where the exact consequences people warn his

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rhetoric has can be recontextualized as proof of the very conspiracies he talks about.

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Alex is absolutely a stochastic terrorist.

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He demonizes particular groups and individuals he disagrees with in such a way that he absolutely

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has to have reasonable expectation that someone might be inspired to hurt or kill them.

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I don't believe an adult could not understand the connection between rhetoric and possible

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inspiration.

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Yeah.

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Between this strategy and the leaderless resistance organization of the right-wing extremist cells,

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it's very easy to inspire lone wolf terrorists to action all while keeping any real fingerprints

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or concrete connections to a minimum.

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It strains my credulity to imagine Alex hasn't been aware of this phenomenon for a long time.

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Because of the lies he told about his trip to the Bohemian Grove, he inspired a man to

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show up there heavily armed, intending to kill Grove attendees who Alex had convinced

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him were there, worshipping the devil and possibly even sacrificing children to Moloch.

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Thirty-seven-year-old Richard McCaslin, calling himself the Phantom Patriot, entered the Grove,

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explicitly hoping for a shootout.

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He told the San Francisco Chronicle, quote, I was expecting armed resistance, and I would

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have fired back if I was fired upon.

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When sheriff's deputies found him, he was armed with, quote, a double-barreled shotgun-assault-rifle

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hybrid, a two-foot-long sword, a.45-caliber pistol, a crossbow, a knife, and a handmade

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bomb launcher.

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Handmade bomb launcher.

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That seems just like too much to carry.

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I would also guess that the handmade bomb launcher might not have been effective.

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I really kind of hope that he...

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Should that have been field-tested?

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I imagine...

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If he had used it, we wouldn't have had to worry about him anymore is kind of how I feel

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about that.

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He would not have been successful in the handmade bomb launcher situation.

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Quite possible.

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Yeah.

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Well, McCaslin testified that he was inspired to do this from watching Alex's documentary

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Dark Secrets about Bohemian Grove.

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So he, quote, spent a year collecting weapons and staking out the Grove.

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He said, quote, I was acting on reports that inside the Bohemian Club were incidents of

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child abuse and human sacrifice.

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Those weren't reports he was acting on.

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They were Alex's propaganda having its intended goal.

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The story is honestly a pathetic tale.

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From this article of San Francisco Chronicle, quote, McCaslin was wearing a bulletproof

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vest, blue fatigues with phantom patriots spelled out in red letters across the chest,

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and a rubber skeleton mask when he crept into the Grove.

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Fuck you cosplaying piece of shit.

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Fuck off.

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He quickly found himself hopelessly lost and bouncing off trees in the pitch dark after

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his flashlight went out.

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Fucking good.

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Feeling almost silly, he said he felt his way into a cabin, flopped down on a cot and

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went to sleep.

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The next morning, McCaslin said he discovered the club's giant owl idol and would have blown

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it up if he had explosives.

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Instead, he placed an Old Testament verse from Leviticus at the base of the statue.

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Alone with no enemy or anybody else in sight, McCaslin decided to set fire to the camp's

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mess hall, but sprinklers quickly extinguished the flames.

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What a loser.

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Oh, you're pathetic.

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It's kind of funny, the mental image of him going in and thinking he's about to get into

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a gunfight and then like, what, like his flashlight goes out and he's just like, oh, oh, I'm gonna

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go to bed.

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Yeah.

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Paul Blart, white terrorist, like.

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It's it's goof.

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It's goofy.

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But I mean, it's goofy with a murder intent behind it.

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It's really scary.

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Absolutely.

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Goofy.

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Yeah.

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McCaslin did all that in 2002.

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Alex had to have known as early as then that what he was doing was playing with fire and

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he doesn't care.

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He knows the consequences of his actions.

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He knows what could happen and he knows what he's doing to people and it just doesn't matter

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to him.

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Alex knows he's not the only person who has this effect on their audience.

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He knows that plenty of right wing terror cells exist in this country because he often

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interviews people from them.

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He has Stuart Rhodes on from Oath Keepers a ton over the years, he's had Gavin McInnes

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from the Proud Boys on a ton.

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He even pathetically tried to debate David Duke on his show.

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He knows this ecosystem exists, that he's a part of it and that there are people who

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are much more dangerous even than him.

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He knows that this country has a right wing violence problem and he's known it his whole

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career.

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He knows that if the right law enforcement body started taking that problem seriously,

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he's completely fucked.

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Even forgetting about possible legal consequences of his actions that could come, I don't know

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how that would work, but you got to be kind of worried.

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It's a hypothetical thing.

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But even leaving that aside, if society started having the right conversation about the nature

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of this form of inspiring terrorists, he knows that his business model doesn't work anymore.

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So he preemptively attacks any attempt by law enforcement to even look at the problem

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rationally.

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We saw this with the MIAC report back in 2009 and we see it here again as the FBI has released

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a report discussing the connection between conspiracy theory and the growing terrorist

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threat in this country.

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He has to attack these things and pray they go away because it's his only shot at self-preservation.

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Yeah, it's exactly like the gun lobbies getting a bill passed that says it's illegal to investigate

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gun violence.

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That's a huge win.

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That's a huge win for them and a huge loss for the fucking continued existence of humanity.

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And here's where the craft of it comes in, Jordan.

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He could easily just say that they're trying to make us look bad, and he does that sometimes,

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but the way he frames it here is gorgeous.

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The FBI put out this report about conspiracy theorists and terrorism, and then someone

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committed a terrorist mass shooting a little while later.

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Well, one might look at that and say that the mass shooting validates the warning of

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the FBI report and demonstrates that this is a problem we should be taking seriously

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and should have taken seriously long ago.

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Alex goes the other direction.

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The FBI report was pre-hyped for the shooting, so when it happened, it would be blamed on

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people like Alex.

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This is self-protection.

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This is a man who knows that the world that he's helped create, the world of paranoid

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anti-government extremists, is one where there's going to be way more violence in the coming

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weeks and months, most likely.

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The only way to continue to own the market space that he does as this world worsens is

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to do everything possible to make sure that law enforcement doesn't take this issue seriously,

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and the best way to do that is to frame every attempt to take it seriously as a piece of

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the false flag shootings themselves.

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Honestly, this is pathetic, and from where I'm sitting, all it signals is fear.

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In 2009, Alex wasn't afraid of the MIAC report.

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He saw it as a ratings bonanza.

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His show has changed a lot since then, though, and now a report like this coming from the

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FBI, it seems like it terrifies him.

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I think it should, because I think his show has changed.

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Maybe in 2009, you could make an argument that FBI making a report like the MIAC report

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doesn't really affect Alex.

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It doesn't really.

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First of all, it was only a descriptive report.

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It wasn't prescriptive in any way, but even if it were, it wouldn't really involve him.

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It was about actual militias.

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It was about actual extremist cells.

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That is just red meat for him.

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This, I feel, it seems very different.

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It seems like he recognizes that this is an actual threat now, and his show exists in

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such a way that he is now kind of what they're talking about.

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Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.

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Now, granted, he's not in that memo by name at all, but either way.

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I mean, in the wake of, what was it, the Nebraska GOP, the representative who was like, hey,

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dudes, we got to stop with this whole let's kill immigrants thing, and the GOP party there

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was like, register as a Democrat, you're out.

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It's kind of like, wow, you guys are all in on terrorism.

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If you're kicking people out for saying, please stop inciting terrorism, that kind of suggests

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that you're a terrorist party.

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Or at least you just don't care.

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Or at least you just don't care, which is, I don't know.

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In some ways, worse.

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Maybe.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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From a moral standpoint.

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Yeah.

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So I think that Alex is a little bit afraid of this memo.

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I think it's possible.

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I sense his tone being a little bit different, but I also have a strong suspicion that he

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also just hasn't even read it.

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Exclusive FBI document warns conspiracy theorists are the new domestic terror, Yahoo Thursday.

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You went on Alex Jones and it says anyone claiming there's pedophile rings with the

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Clintons actually says that.

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Actually says that.

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So they're talking about you, Alex.

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I'm positive based on that riff that Alex hasn't read, the FBI threat assessment that

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came out at the end of last week.

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But he's using it as a basis for saying that this whole weekend of shootings was a globalist

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false flag.

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Yeah.

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Where he's using it as like, this was the pre-hype that got it going.

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This report came out, it was the pre-hype, as Alex is saying, then the shootings happened.

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Conspiracy.

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What this fails to take into account is the FBI didn't decide to release the report when

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it did.

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It was written in May 2019 and it was clearly the product of a bunch of research, considering

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that it covers extremist actions from January 2008 to the present.

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The document was released when it was because that's when Yahoo News obtained it and printed

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it.

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To assert that the timing is a conspiracy is to claim that prior to May, the globalists

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knew that these three dudes were going to commit mass shootings when they did, so they

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would know when to leak the report to Yahoo.

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It's a completely absurd thing to think when you actually take a second to stop and think

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about what Alex is implying.

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I mean, unless you're also including that they were already planning the attacks.

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And so, of course, they knew when the three people were going to cause these mass shootings.

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Right.

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Still crazy.

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Yeah.

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No, no, no.

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Don't get me wrong.

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Still crazy.

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I agree.

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But that's the only way that that works.

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It implies such a bigger conspiracy.

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It seems like at first when Alex is pitching it, coming out of his mouth, it sounds like,

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oh, I guess that makes sense.

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The report came out and then there were shootings.

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But what that would require is insane.

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I'm certain that Alex didn't read that report, mostly because he's just completely lying

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about what's in it.

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At no point do they say that anyone who believes in conspiracies is a domestic threat and the

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report doesn't mention Clinton or Alex once.

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If you read the report, I do think that Alex has every reason to be scared by it.

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Quote, the FBI assesses in some cases anti-government identity-based and fringe political conspiracy

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theories very likely encourage the targeting of specific people, places, and organizations,

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thereby increasing the risk of extremist violence against such target.

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The FBI is mostly talking about QAnon, but I think that pretty much sums up how I feel

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about Alex in the present day.

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So I can't disagree with them.

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So they...

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They can even get rid of the word fringe from there.

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This report is a threat assessment and it assesses the threat posed by anti-government

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identity-based and fringe political conspiracy theories to be a real one.

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Welcome to the party, FBI.

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It's probably too late to do anything about it and I do not trust the FBI to follow through

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on this.

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Not even a little bit.

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But it's a positive sign.

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I'll reserve judgment on this until we see more of how things play out.

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But for now, I'm going to treat this as it is, an internal memo that doesn't necessarily

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change anything.

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Yeah.

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The... who was it, the guy who's like, we're discouraged from doing anything about white

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nationalist terrorists because we don't want Trump to feel like we're attacking his base.

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That's a simple encapsulation of America, right?

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That's it.

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It's a bummer.

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Yup.

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So the main narrative I would say that Alex is selling, a lot of these things, the FBI

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memo, the talk about the babies and incubators, weapons of mass destruction, Madeleine Albright

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stuff, a lot of that is justification.

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The main narrative is that the my life profile was changed.

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Yes.

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That's the big piece.

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They changed it from Democrat to Republican to cover the tracks, blah, blah, blah.

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That's his smoking gun.

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Might as well be Antifa.

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Yeah.

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So that's one.

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And then number two is that his dad worked in psychiatry or in psychology.

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Enough for me.

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Proven.

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And this goes back to that second narrative now, the idea of shooters having parents who

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are in the psych business.

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This isn't good.

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Yesterday on the phone with my reporters and literally were like, yeah, let's see if the

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family are working the psychiatric business because it's always that.

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And maybe it's just an anomaly, you know, maybe it's just that because, you know, document

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camera shot, please.

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Here's some of these articles.

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This is out of psychology today.

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Harvard's experiment on the Unabomber CIA mind control.

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He fails to provide any other examples of a mass shooter whose parents were psychologists

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or psychiatrists.

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Yeah.

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But one of them was the Unabomber.

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So what does that even have to do with anything?

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Well, he he bombed universities and put him in MK Ultra.

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I mean, you know, it was a summer program and they didn't want to deal with him while

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he wasn't in school.

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Like, that's the only thing that makes sense to me.

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Fair enough.

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It's like boarding school, the MK Ultra program.

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So you got you got that, which is great, because he's saying that there's multiple examples.

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He doesn't have any examples.

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Then he jumps over to distracting you with like, look over here.

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Right.

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May I tell you about my friend, the Unabomber, jingling keys.

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And then he skips from the Unabomber over to the Aurora shooter, James Holmes.

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And he's already completely fucked up his conspiracies from 2013 about this.

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And he goes even farther for it.

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Like he really is adding a ton to that conspiracy.

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This is an emergency situation, man.

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You got to you got to throw everything in the kitchen sink.

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Yeah.

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You understand the Aurora shooter told jailmates I was drugged up.

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I've been electroshocked.

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I'm in a DARPA program and I blacked out and I don't know what happened.

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But please get me out of here.

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You're going to kill me.

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It turned out he his dad runs the DARPA NASA human brain interface with computer program,

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including electrodes in the brain.

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That was 12 years ago or was that happen?

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You can't make that.

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Then they.

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What?

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What?

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What is he talking about?

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Yeah.

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You can't make that stuff up, Dan.

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I assume if you just Google who his dad is, you'll find that he's the head of the brain

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that was your dimensional travel project of two thousand that was eight.

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That wasn't part of the narrative like that wasn't part of the conspiracy theories at

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all back when Alex was going over this stuff.

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And also that 12 years ago, timeline doesn't work out because that would've been 2007 and

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that was before the shooting.

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That shooting took place in 2012.

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So the Aurora gunman, James Holmes, his dad, his name was Robert Holmes.

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He testified at his son's trial and in the course of the investigation, a lot of information

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became publicly available about him.

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He was a retired financial analyst working in the field of credit card.

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NASA.

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He was a NASA financial credit analyst.

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He did not work for NASA in mind melding or whatever the fuck Alex is rambling about.

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His mother, Arlene, was a nurse.

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So that's in the health care field nurse, a financial analyst to the stars.

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I don't think that's what Alex is talking about.

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It's a large chasm between NASA mind control expert and registered nurse.

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Okay.

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Let me try and bridge that with DARPA.

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DARPA.

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DARPA.

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I think what's going on here is really simple actually and it might demonstrate how stupid

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Alex Jones is and how dumb he thinks his listeners are.

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There's another guy named Robert Holmes who was an amateur astronomer who's the subject

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of some human interest stories that came out in 2007, which is 12 years ago, which is in

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the time frame of what Alex is talking about.

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So he's got some shitty Googlers working for him and that's what we're doing now?

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That's where we're living now.

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That's the world we're living in, huh?

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This other Robert Holmes was so good at watching the skies that NASA gave him a grant to do

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it full time so he could quit his day job, which led to a lot of feel good press around

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it because it was this guy who just was passionate about astronomy and NASA was like, you're

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so good at this.

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We want you to be able to do it on your own, but as a job, which is so cool.

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That is very cool.

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Man with a telescope should really look into that.

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Bruce Cecil?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No NASA grants for him.

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Doubtful.

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Honestly, this might be generous of me to assume that Alex is talking about this.

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Like it legitimately might be that he just made this up, but...

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Entirely possible.

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Enough details are similar.

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Same name as his dad, time frame being relevant to like when this grant story was coming about.

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There are enough coincidences there to give you a pause before dismissing it as an outright

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coincidence.

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But whatever the case, it's not true of the Aurora shooter.

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This is Alex just talking shit.

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That's fucking stupid.

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Financial analyst.

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That's infuriating.

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Yep.

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So Alex in this next clip, we already heard him at the beginning of the episode say he

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doesn't know what's going on, and he repeats that and then gets close to what might be,

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what do you want to call it, flippant libel?

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Okay.

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All right.

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Flippant slander.

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Okay.

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So I don't know what's going on.

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I just know, oh, the shooter's dad was PTSD expert, had a two year degree, but was above

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a bunch of psychiatrists with 10 years of education running Pentagon programs in Dallas.

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Oh, okay.

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Why is it always that?

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Why?

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Why?

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Why?

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Oh, but daddy's also a new age guru.

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It's always the same.

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Like Sandusky's a new age guru.

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I see.

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What?

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I'm sure there's nothing going on here.

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Everything's fine.

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Nothing to look at here anymore.

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I feel like what he's heavily implying is some sort of a, like he abused his son or

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mind controlled him.

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Like I think I would assume he's trying to describe him as like fucking his, I mean if

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you're going to compare him to Sandusky.

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Yeah.

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That's the only, why?

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Why else would, cause he's a good football coach.

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Like what are you fucking doing?

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Yeah.

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I, it's close.

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There's no other thing he's known for other than being a Penn State football coach.

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A hundred percent.

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There's no other thing.

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But I'm saying, I think Alex is real close to that line here.

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Like if he continues down this path, he's going to be behaving in the exact same way

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as he did towards the family members of victims of Sandy Hook and countless other things.

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I think someone around him better stop him.

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I know.

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Do you want to?

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Don't.

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Don't.

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Slander us.

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Come on.

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Come on.

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That is a good.

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Give me one.

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Give me one.

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So the shooter's dad had a, and does have a master's degree, which is all his line of

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work requires.

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He apparently also practiced some non-traditional medicine, which is why Alex is calling him

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a guru.

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Right.

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Because Alex is bullshit and Alex needs to calm the fuck down.

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Pretending that a veterinarian and chiropractor, pretending they were actual doctors is what

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bought him a house.

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So you can take that tone and shove it right up his ass.

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I don't give a fuck about your impugning this guy's mental health credentials.

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Chiropractors have to have a, do they even have to have?

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There's a special degree.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's it.

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That's an issue.

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It's more legitimate than.

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Oh, for sure.

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For sure.

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Than like a homeopath.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's for sure.

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That's for sure.

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Whatever the fuck.

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Also, I found the article that Alex is reading there.

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It's on the inquisitor and he just doesn't know how to read.

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This is really a big problem.

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He's saying that the father was over Pentagon programs in Dallas, but the actual sentence

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that he was reading was quote, that the dad was quote, a facility director of DAPA psychiatric

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programs in Dallas, DAPA.

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Alex thought it said- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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He just thought it said DARPA.

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Nope, nope, nope.

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That's too stupid.

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That's too stupid.

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That's too stupid.

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I know, no, no, no.

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I know it's true.

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It is.

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But that's too stupid.

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It said DAPA and he thought it said DARPA.

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That's so stupid.

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DAPA stands for drug and alcohol program advisor because he works in addiction medicine.

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He works in addiction.

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Alex is legitimately the most embarrassing person to study in the world.

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You always want there to be something interesting at the root of his lies, but sometimes he

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just doesn't know how to cold read.

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Yeah.

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This is embarrassing.

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This is lame shit.

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If you are listening, you are a cowardly moron.

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You fucking piece of shit.

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So in this next clip, Alex gets a guest.

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I haven't heard this guy on before, but man, he has got the lamest voice.

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I hate to critique people for their voice because a lot of that you can't really control.

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I would never critique him for his voice if this wasn't a completely fake voice.

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I just wanted to bring up one thing.

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I have yet to find a shooter and obviously we're still learning about these two nut cases

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from the last 24 hours, but I've yet to find a shooter who was not on SSRIs or some form

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of brain altering chemical in the short time that I've been following this.

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I'm sure in your 25 years, you have yet to see a single shooter who did not have some

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kind of brain altering chemicals shrinking their gray matter.

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That's it.

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And almost always their parents are psychologists or in DARPA.

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So now we've got that reinforced.

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So Alex is really crushing it with a big name relevant guests these days.

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This is a guy named Tom Papert.

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I'm guessing that Robert Barnes thought the block was too hot and Count Dankula was busy,

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so Alex got Tom Papert to come in.

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This Papert guy, he runs a Twitter page called The Honest Media and it is a ghost town.

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It's just dumb MAGA retweets being spammed out to his less than 400 followers.

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I guess he's relevant here because he created a Facebook page called God Emperor Trump,

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which seems healthy.

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Uh, I don't like that.

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I would like him to be eaten by sand worms.

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So there's something similar there.

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His LinkedIn page has a bio on it and it's just quote as seen on the Alex Jones show

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and then in parentheses, LOL.

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I'm not sure what the LOL is supposed to mean there, but whatever.

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Ah, man, you guys got to figure out humor.

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The right is not doing well.

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Tom Papert has that dumb MAGA radio voice I've come to hear so often from these guys

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with aspirations of starting their own media outlets on YouTube.

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I swear that vocal cadence he's putting on is all over the place.

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It's like these dumb dumbs don't realize that people do in the impressions of the eighties

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and nineties DJ fluids.

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They're making fun of it.

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Yeah, I know.

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It's not like, Hey, that voice is cool.

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Hey, we're going to be out here on the way to like, yeah, no, you're fucking stupid.

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Anyway, Tom Papert opens up his appearance on the show by saying that he's never heard

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of one single case where a shooter was not on psych meds.

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And to that I say, you should probably shut the fuck up because all you're really saying

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is that you've never looked into it.

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It's so manipulative to be like, I don't know anything about this topic, but you should

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probably accept my blanket assertion about it.

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Why isn't anybody who's supporting Islam?

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Why aren't they coming out and condemning these acts of terrorism?

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Nobody ever does.

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That's what you look in the media and you never see it.

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All you're doing is showing your own stupidity and saying, I don't know what I'm talking

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about.

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Tom asked for one example, so I guess I can start with 15 year old Jared Michael Padgett,

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who killed a fellow student, wounded a teacher, and then killed himself back in 2014.

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Actually he can't start there.

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He can get to that right after he goes and straight up fucks himself.

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This level of irresponsible bullshit and misinformation, particularly after a weekend of such tragedy

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is seriously dangerous and for him to have no information to base his point on and make

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it anyway is legitimately the act of a sociopath.

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Yeah.

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No, I don't understand.

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It's one thing to have a point.

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I guess it would be hard to make this point.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I can't defend it.

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Nevermind.

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No, I don't understand how we're not having the conversation that all of these people

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are complicit in these mass shootings.

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Well, cause no one's ever heard of Tom Pappert.

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Yeah.

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Well, I was, uh, it was, he's not related to Tom Papa, very funny comedian Tom Papa.

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So according to a 2015 study by Dr. Peter Langman, who runs schoolshooters.info, 73%

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of cases of high school shootings that he studied involved shooters who were not on

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any psychiatric medication at all, nor had they ever been.

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That number dropped to 71% when he looked at college shooters and 59% in the stray adult

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cases that he included in his studies.

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Even if the number went down as the perpetrator got older, the vast majority of cases did

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not involve shooters who were on psych meds.

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Some of the higher profile cases involve people who had histories on meds, but not all of

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them do.

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For instance, in the case of Columbine, Eric Harris was on psych meds, but Dylan Kleibold

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wasn't.

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How does that factor into this overly simplified, stupid narrative that they sell?

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Psych med by osmosis, you can, you can, if he touches your hand, you get psych med on

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you.

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You've got Munchausen Sykes.

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Yeah.

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Um, Wanda Munchausen Sykes.

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And also, when I was looking into this, there was this insane thing where like, uh, right-wing

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sites and like these anti-psych med sites were like, yeah, Eric Harris is on psych meds,

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but Dylan's records have never been released.

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And they have.

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Oh, fuck you.

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So they're pretending that there's a coverup because it doesn't match the information.

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Get the fuck out.

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Yeah, it's wild.

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I am not going to engage with an argument until you're fucking in, oh god.

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So look, here's the deal.

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These people don't know what they're talking about.

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Ever.

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They're saying that he's never heard of a shooter who wasn't on psych meds and when

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most, uh, when most of them aren't.

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In his defense, he is deaf.

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Ooh, that's a good theory.

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That's, explain the voice.

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That's the only thing that.

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He's only heard of them, uh, because there's a huge talking point in the right-wing conspiracy

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world.

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Most likely because it's an extension of the globalists are trying to pacify everyone with

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meds so they can take over and make a one world, uh, government narrative.

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And throw a little anti-vax stuff in there too.

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Get it all in there.

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Sure.

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Anti-science, anti-medicine.

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Yeah, put it all in there.

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If you look at American media through the lens of liars like Alex, you get the sense

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that, hey, all these shooters seem to be on psych meds.

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If you look at reality, you see that Alex is lying to you and it's not hard to see why

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people like him are lying.

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Also, I'm still waiting for Alex to give me one more example of a shooter whose parents

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are in the psychological community.

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I'm sure there are some, but he's steadfastly refused to give me even one example.

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Um, so I choose that to, uh, mean not good things for his argument.

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So Tom Pappert sucks a little bit.

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I was wondering like, why is he on the show?

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I mean, I know that he does this God emperor Trump account and like that makes some sense,

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but like really shouldn't be that easy.

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It's not that easy to rock around.

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That's right on time.

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It's tricky and it's tricky to get booked on Alex Jones's show.

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Here's what you have to do.

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Tom Pappert was a great page where he heads up some of the biggest pro Trump sites out

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there, which is important cause they can censor everybody off Facebook, Twitter, YouTube,

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but info wars.com newswars.com.

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That's really important because then people have their own sites and he's also the manager

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of one of the great TV stations we're on.

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Oh, okay.

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There we go.

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He's the manager of one of the great TV stations we're on.

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There we go.

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That solves problems.

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That makes sense.

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Really quick.

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Yes.

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A complete zero on your show.

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Yeah.

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You know, the prevailing consensus is that this shooter in El Paso released this manifesto

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and it's being treated pretty roundly as his actual manifesto.

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And if it's too believed, I think the assumption can easily be made that he is inspired by

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a lot of the very similar motivations that are amplified by people like Alex, people

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like Tucker Carlson, people all over the right.

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So you have that perception and that's what's being discussed in a lot of the more sensible

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areas of the internet.

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But Tom Pappert, man, he knows that this guy was not right wing.

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He knows.

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Okay.

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And here's his evidence.

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If you look at his LinkedIn profile, he doesn't have any second amendment stuff on there.

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He doesn't have any Alex Jones quotes on there, but somehow they managed to learn all this

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about it.

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It's absolutely fascinating.

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So in order for him to define somebody as a right winger, they must have second amendment

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stuff or Alex Jones quotes.

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On their linked fucking in page.

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I didn't see either of those necessarily on his.

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I just saw I was on the Alex Jones show, LOL.

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Jesus Christ.

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This is a real stupid.

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That's your standard of proof, huh?

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But I mean, I just play stuff like this to be like, this is the stupid shit these people

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are saying.

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Yeah.

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And I really get into it.

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Like if you can't yell fire in a crowded theater, what, when are we going to deal with obfuscation

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being applied to mass shooters and you're complicit?

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Like there's no way.

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And I get it.

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Maybe the reporting side, there's a first amendment argument, but the opinion side it's,

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it's gotta be, we've got to start prosecuting these people and then you're like, oh no,

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they're going to scrap you.

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My free speech fires.

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They already fucking are.

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And it's not happening.

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So fucking do it.

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Well, but also, I mean, what you're getting at there too is the kind of important point

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and that is that we already have qualifications about free speech that have to do with mitigating

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damage.

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You can't do things that cause harm to people with your speech.

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You can't threaten to kill people.

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You can't extort people through your words.

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You should be able to.

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It's free speech.

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You can't do those things.

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Those are crimes.

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You yell fire in a crowded building or whatever you cause a stampede.

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You could be held responsible for your words legally.

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So there is already a precedent that some sorts of speech do cause the kind of damage

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that we do not believe that it's protected.

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So I mean, it's just a conversation and I don't think it's as simple like as saying

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like these words hurt somebody, therefore they're bad or they're illegal.

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Absolutely not.

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I don't think it's that simple.

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I think it's a hard conversation that we all need to have.

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Like I think if we're going to help this problem, that is a priority conversation to have.

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So we can get the sense of where people land on it.

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I think absolutists are probably going to get in the way.

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And I think that maybe unsurprisingly and maybe sometimes their absolutism about free

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speech really belies other priorities that they're trying to hide behind free speech

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to defend.

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Right.

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I think that's the case with Alex.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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These people know what they're doing.

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So also this episode is really weird to me because I kind of expected to get in and it

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be a lot of the stuff about the El Paso shooter, a lot of stuff about the Dayton shooter.

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I expected to be largely focused on that.

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And Alex doesn't talk about a ton of it like he does.

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Absolutely.

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Because a lot of the stuff is related to those things.

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But a lot of the things that I think are the most interesting things he says are side points

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kind of.

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Does that make sense?

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That belie incredibly fucked up positions.

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In this next clip that we're going to listen to here, I think he's advocating for retaining

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the death penalty, but his reasoning for it is ludicrous.

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It was a million carton was the former head of Air Force weapons development.

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He was retired three star general.

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And he said, Alex, they get rid of the death penalty in countries that communists are about

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to take over because they know they can have their own communist stage terror attacks,

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blame it on the nationalist.

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And then they get out of jail later.

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And I was like, really?

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And see, so think about the really smart ones.

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Don't just do a Jesse Smollett where nobody attacked him.

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They actually do the real attack with their cohorts.

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Sometimes people go to jail and play the part of a nationalist.

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You see how that works?

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That's the next level of this.

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But you see how that works?

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I know.

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So we have no idea how that works, Dan.

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So now it's important to retain fucking capital punishment, because if we don't, then the

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communist agitators will know that they can commit whatever crimes, blame the nationalists

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and they'll just go to prison and blah, blah, blah.

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They'll get out.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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I want to say I understand some of that, but it doesn't make a goddamn bet of sense and

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he can go fuck himself.

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Oh, absolutely.

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What the fuck are you even talking about?

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Here's the position I'm coming from.

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I understand exactly what he's saying.

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Oh, yeah.

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I just don't understand why he believes it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Exactly.

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Beton K. Parton told me this shit.

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Jesus, dude.

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Fuck off.

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Yeah, I don't think that's a good reason to keep the death penalty around.

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I feel like there's so many problems with this administration.

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You might as well, Ed, in that sentence, you might as well be like, we need to keep the

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death penalty around, because if we don't, the snorks are going to come to real life

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and they're going to attack us all and take our shoes away.

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You talked to Beton K. Parton.

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I did.

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He was a retired Air Force general talking to me about snorks.

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I think that all this is, is that there's a conversation that's starting up about how

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Trump wants to bring back the federal death penalty, and Alex needs a defense for that.

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And this is the defense he's decided to go in.

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Fine.

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Whatever.

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That's pretty lame.

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I don't know this to be 100% sure, but everything I understand about his earlier positions,

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I think they would be very anti- Wasn't he anti?

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Yeah.

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The death penalty.

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Yeah.

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It seems like that would be in line with his more libertarian stances.

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Yeah, and also just the government shouldn't be allowed to kill people.

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Killing people.

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I don't know.

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But now he's fine with keeping them in cages and letting them die in there, so who gives

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a shit?

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So that's one thing that I found that I was like, holy shit, what are you doing?

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This is nuts.

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And in this next clip, remember earlier I mentioned that he needs to substantiate-

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No, it was a long time ago.

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I mentioned that he needs to substantiate some of these stats that he uses.

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Yes, yes.

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In this next clip, I'm thankful that he tries, sort of, but he also fails.

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But having the FBI come out last week, along with the FBI director and say, white people

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are the threat, white people are the racist, and the statistics don't even show that.

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I mean, I'm not being mean because it's still a low statistic, but you had a 10 times chance

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if you're white being attacked or robbed or killed by a black person.

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You had a 10 times chance of your black being killed by a black person.

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Doesn't mean average black person's a criminal, it just means there's a certain percentage

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that's super criminal and believes it's okay to do because whatever reason.

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But you see, it's all how they play games with the statistics.

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Swing and a miss.

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It's all about how they play games with the statistics?

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He's playing a game here, he's fucking it up.

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So it's almost breathtakingly unsettling to hear Alex make literally no differentiation

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between white supremacist groups and white people.

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He hears the FBI director say that white supremacist groups are committing more violence.

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And the way Alex reports that is that he thinks the FBI director is saying that white people

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are bad and a threat.

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I don't think it's an unfair reading of that to say that Alex Jones seems to think that

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being white and being white supremacist are the same thing.

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That's a deeply disturbing thing to hear from someone who's so clearly into white identity.

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Yeah, we, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You were, you were like, what was it?

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Was it the crossover episode we did where I said he thought we were race traitors and

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you were, you were a little bit like, whoa, hold on.

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It's like, oh, he's, he thinks we're race traitors, Dan.

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Probably.

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At the end of that clip there, he accuses the FBI of playing games with statistics.

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Playing games with statistics, which is funny because just before that, that's exactly what

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he was doing.

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Exactly.

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When they're discussing a rise in white supremacist violence, they're talking about crimes that

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were specifically motivated by white supremacy, not crimes that white people do where a non-white

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person is the victim.

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If a white guy robbed someone who happens to be black and in the process kills them,

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that's not necessarily a crime motivated by white supremacy, so it wouldn't be included

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in their statistics.

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It's very easy to understand.

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This is elementary stuff.

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Yeah, it is not hard.

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And the fact that, the fact that Alex is operating on this completely infantile level means that

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he either doesn't know anything about what he's talking about or he's confident that

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no one listening does.

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It kind of makes sense why he always screams about how the mainstream media thinks the

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public is dumb.

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It's really just him projecting his own feelings about having cultivated such a stupid uncritical

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audience.

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Yeah, I imagine Stefan Molyneux feels the same way a lot of the time.

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Probably bangs his head on that vent a lot.

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Yeah.

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The Bureau of Justice Statistics released a report in 2017 that analyzed connections

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between violent crime offenders and violent crime victims.

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They found that you're overwhelmingly more likely to be the victim of a violent crime

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perpetrated by a person of the same race as you than by someone of a different race.

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If you're white, you're four times more likely to be the victim of white on white crime than

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black on white crime.

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What Alex is saying is not true and it is a racist talking point.

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This is just super racist shit that Alex is saying on its face.

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What this is is a misuse of statistics in the name of creating a racist talking point,

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which is then being used to somehow deflect attention away from the very real fact that

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white supremacist violence is on the rise.

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The ADL identified 50 extremist-related murders in the United States in 2018, the highest

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number since 1995, when the Oklahoma City bombing happened, and this was a 35% increase

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from 2017.

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Every single one of those extremist-related murders was carried out by extremists with

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links to right-wing groups, all of them.

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When FBI Director Wray gets up and says that they're seeing an increase in cases involving

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white supremacy-related violence, that's why.

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There are more cases because there are more crimes.

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Alex knows that he can't have this conversation on real terms because reality does show that

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right-wing white supremacy-motivated violence is on the rise, so he moves the goalposts.

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It's not surprising that he chooses to move the goalposts into outright racist talking

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points like black on white crime.

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It's because he's a huge racist.

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Another thing Alex probably doesn't want to address is a recent study that came out of

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the University of North Texas.

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Researchers compared counties where Trump held his rallies in 2016 with completely comparable

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counties, with similar populations, racial demographics, location, level of known active

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hate groups, etc.

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They found that counties that hosted a Trump rally saw a, quote, 226% increase in reported

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hate crimes over similar counties that did not hold a rally.

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But that's probably a coincidence.

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Ooh, ooh, ooh, or maybe, maybe, Jordan, it's just that the Globalist reported a ton of

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fake hate crimes in the counties where Trump held his rallies so some political science

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professors could uncover those statistics two years later.

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That's probably what happened.

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That's the only explanation that I think makes any sense.

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It's probably what happened.

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Because these Globalists are sneaky.

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Do you see now?

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They're sneaky.

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Do you see now, dude?

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Do you see how it works?

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Do you see how it works?

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Do you see how it works?

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Yeah.

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Motherfucker.

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Assholes.

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That sums it up.

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So if, you know, if you need to, I think we all at this point probably need to get this

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out like a little bit of a palate cleanser.

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We're all not feeling great.

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Probably a little bit mad at Alex, think he's doing a terrible job.

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So if we want some schadenfreude, just a little bit, I invite you all to enjoy what I'm going

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to describe as one of the least inspired plugs I've ever heard him give.

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Other talk show hosts plug every segment because everybody knows the real advertising is during

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the show.

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Well, whatever.

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We had a big sale last week.

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It's extended a few more days.

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We got to end it.

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We got to end the giant mega sale, save him for sale.

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Stop the clowns.

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When we covered the whole debate sale, 50 to 60% off store wide in for store.com double

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Patriot points in your next order.

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Who gives a shit?

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Wow.

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That's a, that's a good, whatever that is.

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That is a man circling the fucking drain.

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If you recall, last we left off in the present day episodes, Alex was talking about how if

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he doesn't sell out the warehouse, we might be done.

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He has not sold out the warehouse.

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Doesn't seem like it.

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The save page, save the info wars special is a few days.

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Yeah.

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But it's his 4th of July special as well.

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Well, there is a new special.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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Easter.

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Uh, no, he doesn't announce it.

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I don't think I have a clip of it.

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It's the anniversary of him getting banned from Facebook sale.

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Oh man.

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Oh man.

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It's the baniversary.

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Uh huh.

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Uh, it starts up a day after this or whatever, whenever it, uh, this one ends, whatever the

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save info war sale ends, the baniversary sale ends with the same exact price.

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Exactly.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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There we go.

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That's what I thought.

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50 to 60% of everything.

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Absolutely.

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When he was listing off the new special, like you just changed the name.

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Yep.

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This is ridiculous.

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Jesus Christ.

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Yep.

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So good.

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We can all enjoy that a little bit.

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Yeah.

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At some point, I think Alex is kind of bored with Tom Papert.

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Uh, they do not have good.

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Surprise.

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Yeah.

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I find him to be a chore.

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Um, so Alex goes to calls and I'm playing this call because you should, man, cause we

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should all be afraid, very, very afraid.

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Yeah.

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I'm afraid of this caller.

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It is.

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Is it actually fucking Anders Breivik for Christ's sake?

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No, I don't know if he has a long distance prison.

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That's tough.

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Although it is a very nice sell apparently.

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But, uh, he, you know, this caller is scary.

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And then secondarily, the fact that Alex doesn't hang up on him immediately also scares the

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shit out of me.

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How you doing Alex?

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Good brother.

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Hey man, I've experienced this myself and I was ready for it.

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Uh, I was in a cybernetic program in the army.

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I should say that he's talking about the, the idea that these shooters are mind control.

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Right, right, right.

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He experienced that himself cause he was in a cybernetic program.

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Yes, that makes sense.

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So I'd already been through something similar to what they're doing to these people.

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And uh, you can YouTube targeted individuals and just look at the people that are given

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their testimony there and it'll show you how this Mindhive technology is creating transhumanist,

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which all of the media, all of the media is transhuman.

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You know that the supposed Aurora shooters dad ran the DARPA program and he, the son

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was in it and he said he was under mind control.

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Hey, look, that is a misdirection.

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I guarantee you that everybody has this nanotechnology that's driving these people these days.

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And if you want to, that's the problem.

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This is going back and forth.

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You've got these different nano mafias and everybody tries to pin it on the other people

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with technology and what they're, they'll leave little details in there like that that

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set people up and it goes back and forth, back and forth and nobody wants to talk because

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of it does.

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It varies all level.

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All right.

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And I've had to deal with this.

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This technology came here and tried to turn me into an operative.

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And if you ever want somebody to give you a, uh, an interview and tell you exactly how

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this stuff operates, I'll be more than happy to do it.

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Alex and brother, give us your info.

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Let me ask Tom.

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What?

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Yeah.

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What?

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Hold on.

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I know that's a brush off.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But no.

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Yeah.

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Jesus.

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So there's nano mafia.

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There are nano mafias.

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I've always known that.

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Are they small people in mafias or are they mafias that are small?

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I believe from context clues that what he's saying is that everybody has a chip in them.

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Everybody's got a chip in them.

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And then there's these, these nano mafias that control certain people like this, this

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mafia controls a billion people.

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Yeah.

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This mafia controls a billion people and they're at war with each other using the people whose

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chips are in them against each other.

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Yeah.

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That's what I hear that guy saying.

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And I'm just like, I thought he was just talking about how everybody in the media is transhumanist

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with well, that's in there too.

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Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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Well that one I should have taken as red.

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Sure.

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If we've got nano mafias, we're all in trouble.

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James Holmes is a dad is a DARPA mind control guy, but that's a misdirection.

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It is.

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It is.

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He's part of the nano mafia.

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This guy.

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Holy shit.

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You know, it would have been fun.

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It would have been fun.

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I want to hear that call on a show in 2009.

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I would have had a great time.

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I would rather hear that guy get a show than Barnes.

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So at the beginning of Tom Papert's appearance, he showed up and he said, I've never heard

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of a shooter who was on who wasn't on psych meds.

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And now as we close the interview with Tom Papert, here's his tone.

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He's changed it ever so slightly the way he's presenting the information.

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It's irresponsible to not point out that every major mass shooter, again, the information

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does not come out about these two most recent ones, but virtually every single mass shooter

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has been on some type of prescription mind altering chemical drug, an SSRI, antidepressants,

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something like that.

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So the first time he was saying, I've never heard of one who wasn't, I don't know.

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I haven't looked into it too deeply.

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Now he's saying virtually all of them.

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It's irresponsible to not point out virtually.

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Yeah.

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So you see the ever so slight qualify that state just a little bit, but it's also making

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it much more of a declarative thing as opposed to, I don't know.

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That's how this works.

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By degrees you go from, you acclimate to a narrative and then set it up and then say

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it's yours with a slightly different variation on it to cover your ass.

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So we got one last clip of Alex here from this fourth show, August 4th.

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And I mentioned this at the beginning of the show.

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He almost doesn't bring up the Dayton shooting at all.

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And I think that's really weird.

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I think it's a little bit weird, but I have some other thoughts on it, which I'll get

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into in the next episode as we go over the next episode.

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But as he closes the show, I think I'm only, I don't know why I'm playing this clip.

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I think it's upsetting.

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It has nothing to do with the shootings.

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I think this is just deeply upsetting to show that whether or not this is sincere, this

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is the way Alex wants to present that his mindset is.

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And that to me is just deeply, deeply disturbed.

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I'm a selfish person.

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I'll tell you, I need your prayers because the enemy is attacking all my family because

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they're trying to get me, but they're attacking all my family.

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So people will just pray for my family.

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That would be really good.

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I'm not trying to be a wimp here or a victim.

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It's just that my family and I'll be honest, they need to burn, burn them.

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You know, I mean, God knows that the enemy knows like if my family's got to get burned

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and all this, I'm not happy about it, but it's going to happen because I'm going to

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lose them anyways.

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Better they get burned up right now, but they're coming after my family politically, psychically.

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It's not fun.

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And I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a wimp about this, but I'm glad you're dialed in brother

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because it's really painful to have to put it on the line, but you know what?

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We're never going to get across the line if we don't put our family on the line.

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Does that make sense?

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Well, I'm fighting for my 10 year old, that's for sure.

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I'm fighting for my son and his future.

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Still talking to a caller.

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That's really fucked up.

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I don't, I don't, I really, really, really don't like the mindset that's being set there

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because whether or not Alex is sincere about that in terms of his family, who knows?

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He could just be bluffing and talking braggadocious because he knows that at the end of the day,

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there aren't real stakes for him.

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He's talking bullshit.

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He's not up against some kind of fucking new world order, one world government, some kind

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of like assassin psychically trying to take him out.

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Nothing like that.

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It's all bullshit.

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He knows that all this is is like entertainment and performance.

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So whether...

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He's up against filing chapter 11 is all he's up against.

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But that's the thing is like, I can't say with any certainty whether or not he believes

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his own narratives enough to actually be feeling that way or whether it's entirely performative.

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But what I do know is that by talking like that, he is making it okay for his audience

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to feel like that.

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He is normalizing the idea of like, well, if your family has got to be sacrificed, it's

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it.

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I am a leader in this community and that is the way I view our struggle.

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And so you need to get yourself to a point where your families can burn if they got to.

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And it backs up his whole or maybe it more aptly fits in with his whole where we're fighting

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a holy war situation.

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Like if God is involved and God knows everything and your family gets taken away, that means

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that your family was meant to get taken away and you should still be willing to sacrifice

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everything because God is there for you and they're going to get their reward in heaven,

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which is totally not 72 virgins.

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It's a completely different reward in heaven.

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I just I don't know.

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It's unsettling.

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It's unsettling to hear stuff like that.

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And I think that this is probably one of the longest times we've spent on a Sunday episode.

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And I think it's because Alex is grappling to try and understand how to proceed after

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this shooting in El Paso.

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And I think that because of the freshness of it, because of how he operates, we're able

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to really see a lot of illuminating points about how this propaganda works.

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And I think it's I think it's worthwhile to take the time to get into that.

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Yeah.

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Now, I just keep thinking about how like the thought that keeps coming into my head is

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how many sanctions the U.S. would put on a country with our current government.

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So many fucking sanctions.

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That's an interesting thought.

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Interesting thought.

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Maybe an embargo.

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Yeah, exactly.

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They block hate around us.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So when I was going over this, I was like, fuck, this is so much.

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There's a lot to get into.

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And a lot of it is side issues to the to the shooting.

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Like, do I not get into this?

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Like, I think that all the side issues kind of relate back a little bit to the mindset

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that Alex is in and how this is unfolding.

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Absolutely.

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So I felt like there wasn't really a good option in front of me.

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But I also knew that there was more news that happened by the 5th.

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And Alex would have had to, like, be aware of more of the fullness of the situation of

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the multiple events.

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And so I felt like it would be an incomplete thing if we didn't get into the 5th.

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So I was struggling with it.

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And I thought, like, OK, maybe we should do two episodes and put them both out on on Wednesday.

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Yeah.

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And what I decided is that's stupid.

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Let's just do a long episode.

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Yeah.

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If we're going to do two and put them out on the same day, might as well do one.

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And especially as I got through the 5th, as I started getting into that, I realized that

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so much of it would be relying on things we talked about in the coverage of the 4th.

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It didn't make sense to do them separately.

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So anyway.

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I mean, maybe do a couple policy wonk shout outs now.

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I was thinking about doing interlude music or something like that, but when have we ever

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gilded the lily?

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No, never.

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So here is Alex starting out the 5th Monday episode.

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And I think it says all you need to know.

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I don't know exactly what's going on in El Paso.

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I was like, this music is taking a while.

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And that's not all of it.

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There is a full minute of music at the beginning of the show.

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Really?

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Jesus Christ.

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And I think that I don't really know what's going on in El Paso.

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I think that's a part of a prerecorded special report, because it then goes into a special

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report.

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So I don't think that Alex just said that and then started one.

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I think they just played a bunch of music.

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Actually Alex was like, yeah, fuck it, play a special.

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I don't want to do the five minutes that doesn't go out on most radio stations.

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Fuck it.

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Play Jon Bowne's report.

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Bury him.

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So I just like that jam too.

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It gets me a little amped.

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You're like...

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I do.

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In terms of Alex Jones' intro music, that's up there.

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It's certainly no policy of truth, but it's still pretty good.

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So we get back into this episode.

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Alex comes in, he's actually in studio, and we got an interesting thing here where Alex

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once again needs to deflect from the fact that there is this gun violence and these

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shootings, and he does so by pointing, again, to Mexico.

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Most of the deaths were caused though by firearms, and Mexico has a complete ban on the civilian

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ownership of firearms, but Mexico has a crime rate and a firearms death rate that is the

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second highest in the world only after Guatemala that also has a total ban on guns.

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So Alex is playing really fast and loose here, again.

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He's really irresponsible with a lot of these times he cites anything.

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What is he saying?

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Is he saying that the crime rate in Mexico is the second highest in the world or that

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the gun death rate is?

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Is he saying both?

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It's unclear what he's saying.

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I'm not too positive that I care to compare countries by crime rates.

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I just don't know if that's a really productive statistic to use as a measuring stick since

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different countries have different laws, so something that's a crime in country A might

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not be in country B. Similarly, different countries have variably functional criminal

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justice systems and varying degrees of systematic corruption.

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So I'm not positive that comparing crime rates is going to be the best use of our time.

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Also, even if it meant anything, there's no way in hell Mexico's crime rate is the second

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highest in the world, and there's even less of a chance that Guatemala is number one.

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Did Alex forget how many countries there are in the world?

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Did he forget about all the countries in Africa and the Middle East that he loves to demonize

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so much?

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What is he doing?

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I find it to be a specious and stupid argument to even bring that up just because that is

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like saying, well, he's not talking about a country, he's talking about its people.

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He's not saying Mexico has a crime problem.

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He's saying Mexicans have a crime problem.

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Somewhat, but it's weird that it doesn't even track with his other sort of perceptions.

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Yeah, but I mean, now it's off the top of the dome, I guess, so it's just like whatever

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is in front of my face at any given point in time I can remember, and then beyond that

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I'm...

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Sure.

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I also have no idea where Alex is getting his numbers from about Mexico having the second

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highest gun death rate behind Guatemala because he never cites where he's getting it from,

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and I can say that I've poured over data from NPR, tons of news stories, the Journal of

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the American Medical Association, and none of them come close to matching what he's saying.

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I do not accept his point, which is to say I think he's making that shit up.

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Countries like Honduras have way higher gun death rates than Mexico, and it's totally

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illegal to buy and own guns there.

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It doesn't matter.

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All this is just a ploy he's using to try and argue that we shouldn't take gun violence

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in the United States seriously because we don't get all bent out of shape every time

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someone in Mexico gets shot, and fair play to him, sort of.

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I mean, people absolutely should care a lot about the violence in other countries, and

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particularly we should care about the ways in which our country's foreign policy is affecting

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the violence in those countries.

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I think there's a lot of credible voices out there speaking on this topic, and I just don't

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think that Alex, a guy who overtly supports Bolsonaro and has been vocally in favor of

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regime change in Venezuela, is the sort of guy I want to listen to on that subject.

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Bolsonaro who came out and said that he hopes all criminals are shot dead in the streets.

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Hey!

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That's right.

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Yeah!

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Also, there's a gross irony that every single fucking thing that Alex is about, everything

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he's about, is America first.

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Everything is about our sovereignty and fuck the rest of the world until the conversation

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becomes about gun violence in America, and then we gotta deflect.

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So weird.

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So weird.

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Odd.

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So weird.

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So weird.

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Oh, man.

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So, in this next clip, he begins to finally talk about the shooting in Dayton, and of

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course, it's just deflections, but he also is trying really hard to tie the El Paso and

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Dayton shootings together, because that's important for him.

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Now, in every case where they have social media that we're able to see, these shooters

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are obsessed with shoot-'em-up video games, they're in-cells, they all basically look

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the same, and they say that they're in to the occult.

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Almost all of them.

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There was another shooter a few years ago, remember, down by Galveston, south of Houston,

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and he was into Satanism, and he was mad at everybody.

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Well, guess what?

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The individual who's a big antifa leftist, on his Facebook, on his Instagram, Paul Watson's

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written a big article about it with screenshots of it, said, I love Satan.

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I hate Christians.

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I hate Trump supporters.

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And so he was wearing a mask and ear protection and all the rest of it, just like the other

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shooter in El Paso, Texas.

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Isn't that interesting?

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Isn't that interesting?

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So one thing that I find very interesting about these two shootings happening in the

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span of a few days was that it offered a really interesting glimpse into how different groups

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of people take in information.

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When the information was coming out in the case of the El Paso shooter, that he'd been

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involved, you know, there was a lot of posts on 8chan, that he'd released a manifesto clearly

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laying out that he was doing his shooting as a political statement against the immigrants

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who he felt were invading the country, there was a response.

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He was a terrorist.

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Well, sure.

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Yeah.

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You know, he was saying himself putting out that manifesto.

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Yes.

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Again, we're working under the assumption that the manifesto is 100% real, which I think

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that there's good reason to believe that to be the case, even if it's not 100% concretely.

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But you know, so that caveat aside, you know, that was the conversation that people were

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having.

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There is a clear motivation that was behind it.

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If people were on the left were quick to point out that the rhetoric was nearly identical

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to the rhetoric that's put out by Trump and Fox News, and they probably would have said

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Alex Jones too, but no one really cares too much about him anymore, except us.

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They pointed to a trend of people online, particularly on 8chan and Gab, who are radicalizing

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each other and how this trend is something that would be unwise to think stops here unless

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we take things seriously.

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People in the right wing world were defensive, as we saw in that last episode with Alex.

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Because of course they were.

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But this is an important distinction.

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I don't think that anyone I saw commenting on this was really trying to connect the El

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Paso shooter to Trump and the world of right wing propaganda based on superficial similarities.

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It's not like he wore a MAGA hat in one picture and everyone was like, aha, that's why he

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did it.

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The connection was made because in that manifesto is clearly expressed why he did the shooting.

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And the reason for doing it is, you know, a central talking point of all these right

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wing media outlets.

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The demographic fear propaganda of, quote unquote, Americans being replaced by immigrants

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is the bread and butter of Alex Jones.

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Talking points, I always call turning points, talking points, very different.

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Tucker Carlson and countless other outlets.

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The important connection is that the guy isn't that the guy possibly liked Alex Jones or

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Paul Joseph Watson, it's that he was motivated to commit his crime by the same erroneous

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and white nationalist rhetoric that they make a living off disseminating.

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When the Dayton shooting happened, it was very interesting to see how these very same

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groups responded to a different set of circumstances.

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Again, I'm not saying any of this as if I'm making a universal claim that every person

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on each side of the ideological spectrum behaved a certain way.

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But generally, what I saw was one side go 180 and the other side reflect.

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When information started to come out that the shooter in Dayton wasn't a right wing

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extremist worried about the invasion in quotes of immigrants, and that his politics might

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have been to the left, the right wing propagandist to a running interference for Trump a day

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earlier and saying that just because he loved Trump doesn't mean they're guilty for the

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shooting immediately flipped the script and started saying that this was an Antifa lunatic

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and started blaming all leftists.

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The surface level details were in their favor on this one, so they did what they always

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did, attack.

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Conversely, what I saw from people on the left was the exact same level of horror and

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heartbreak that they'd felt for the people in El Paso, but with a layer of introspection.

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There was an acceptance that just because this person is on your side ostensibly politically,

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it doesn't mean that they might not also be a murderer, and I saw people trying to make

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sense of that.

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Throughout the day, as more information became available, a clearer picture took shape.

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It became increasingly clear that the shooter was a dangerous misogynist.

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A classmate of his from high school told the Daily Beast that she'd called the police after

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he started getting texts from him about how she was on his, quote, rape list.

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She told the Daily Beast, quote, I was not surprised at all when I heard his name on

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the news yesterday.

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We all predicted he would do this 10 years ago.

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When she called the police back in high school, he got a slap on the wrist over the threats,

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and because they weren't taken more seriously and the process didn't go through, he was

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still able to buy guns.

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For the most part, I saw people taking stock of how even in presumably progressive communities,

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there's still a lot of undressed and under-addressed problems.

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Misogyny is not a right-left problem, and I saw many people taking note of this and

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discussing it.

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I don't know.

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Like, he might have had an undiscovered manifesto about Medicare for all being behind his shooting,

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but until that comes to the surface, it just doesn't appear that the Dayton shooting was

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motivated by his politics, which is a big distinction.

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It's not really a productive discussion just to note who did something.

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It's important to get into the why of it.

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It really feels deeply inappropriate to make these situations analogous the way Alex is

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doing, trying to make them the same.

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I've researched a ton of killings for this podcast, and the Dayton one kind of fits more

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into the mold of the non-political versions of this, which is to say that there's a history

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of violence directed towards women in his past.

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From everything I can tell, that's what's going on here.

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Yeah, it's a truth that we've mentioned over and over and over again is that there's usually

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violence against women, if not always.

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Yeah.

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It's a very high indicator, and it does appear that this is more the story of this, and sure,

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he had left opinions, and that's something that we all have to grapple with.

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We have to understand that agreeing on political issues doesn't necessarily mean that everybody

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is on the same page.

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Yeah.

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People in this right-wing propagandosphere are working hard to make these two shootings

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equivalent, and honestly, watching it has made me sick.

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I know it's not new behavior, but the way they pivoted from defense and deflection about

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El Paso to feigned moral outrage about Dayton was shocking, even for someone like me who

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watches a lot of this stuff.

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It really seems to me that this sort of behavior only really makes sense in the context of

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these propagandists being fully aware that their rhetoric and worldview that they're

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perpetuating may be behind the El Paso shooting, and they need to protect themselves from that

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reality being discussed.

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I didn't see any prominent voices on the left arguing that the Dayton shooter was a false

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flag because he agreed with some of their politics.

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I didn't see anyone insisting that he must be a staged killer who did what he did to

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demonize the left so we can't ever pass the Green New Deal.

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This is a very teachable moment because I want to make this abundantly clear.

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These people, like Alex, do not question things and come up with insanely stupid conspiracy

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theories because they're questioning things.

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They do it because they're trying to cover up and deny the real-world consequences that

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come from having a thriving extremist right-wing media in this country.

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Without that extremist right-wing media, most of these people have nothing, so they need

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to protect it, like legitimately.

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Who the fuck is Tom Papert without this white nationalist wave that he's riding?

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That's an extreme example because even with it, he's nobody.

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Who is Jack Posobick without all this disinformation game that he's running?

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Who's Jacob Wall?

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Who's Scott Adams?

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I mean, I guess he has Dilbert.

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Who's Carpe Donkdom?

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Who are any of these motherfuckers?

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Their relevance and revenues rely on the protection of this extremist right-wing media, and so

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they protect it no matter what.

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And I don't see that similar behavior being engaged in as it relates to people on the

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left with the Dayton shooting.

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I see circumstances being dealt with as they are from people except the right-wing propagandists.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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I mean, I don't know what else to say other than, like, at this point in time, it's kind

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of pretty clearly obvious that the right-wing media is complicit in mass shootings, in continued

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mass shootings.

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Maybe 10 years ago, we could have had a different conversation.

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Maybe that's a different story.

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But at this point in time, there is nothing else to say but they are complicit.

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It's horrifying in many ways.

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And just to be clear, I think I did, you know, I saw some people in the initial, right after

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the Dayton shooting, speculating that it was a white supremacist shooting.

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And I think that part of that is because...

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We just had a white supremacist shooting six hours before.

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Well, and there are often those indicate, like, a lot of times that is the case.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And those people that were making those speculations, generally, I saw corrections after it turned

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out that this wasn't the case.

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And I saw restraint on other people's part in terms of, like, let's not assume what motivations

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are there until there's more information.

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And I do not see that from people who are associated with Infowars.

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No, of course not.

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I see intention behind what they're doing.

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And it really bums me out.

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But it is interesting, like, I'm horrified about the events that have happened and I

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feel terribly for the people in Dayton and El Paso and everywhere else that have been

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touched by this.

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And I know that there's some listeners that we have who are from those places and it's

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just awful.

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And I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I just...

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It sucks.

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It is something that I have also been thinking about recently.

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To what extent have we helped create this rise in white nationalists?

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You and me?

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No.

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I mean, people...

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Everyone.

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I mean, the constant capitulation of, like, OK, we need to stop and think about how the

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right wing is going to take this.

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That thought process to me has been one of the sleeper factors in creating all of this

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right wing power.

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Like, this constant, like, what do they think about?

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What do they think about this?

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You see that now with all the think pieces about, like, well, they could take the problem

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seriously, but it would be seen as being biased against conservatives.

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All of this stuff is like every step of the way, we have enabled them by considering their

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feelings above their actions.

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How else can we put it other than to say, we don't want to say this because they'll

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get angry about it.

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And so now we are allowing them...

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Now we're not pushing through gun control.

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Obama doesn't...we don't want to put single health care forward because they're going

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to demonize us on the right.

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They're going to demonize us.

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So what we want to do is we want to create a compromise.

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We want to create this compromise where one does not exist for them.

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They are not at a negotiating table.

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They are not negotiating.

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This is not a negotiation.

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This is not something where the right and left can...

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It's a hostage crisis.

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Yeah, it is an absolute hostage crisis.

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And they are holding all of us hostage.

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And it can't...I don't want to go too far because we've had this conversation and I've

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gone too far.

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Although it does seem like when I went too far back then, I was...I would not in the

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current context.

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You can still be fairly accurate and still be too far.

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You can be both.

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Oh yeah, that's certainly true.

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But it's hard not to ascribe a certain amount of desire to these people as well.

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It does feel that way.

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It's hard not to say that Mitch McConnell wants another mass shooting.

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But it might not be that that's the primary thing that's desired.

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Absolutely not.

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It's the side things that unfortunately cause this.

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Right.

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Yeah, it's grim.

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It's grim.

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It's grim shit.

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So in this next clip, Alex talks about the shooter in Dayton's appearance and, I mean,

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whatever.

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Evil.

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Evil eyes.

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Always got that weird, lazy, satisfied look.

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That's the look of demon possession.

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That's the look they've all got.

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That sick, enjoyable look.

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How much he loves Elizabeth Warren.

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How much he loves Bernie Sanders.

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How he wants to kill fascists and he loves Antifa.

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I can't wait to go to hell and serve Satan and he hails Satan.

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Almost every one of them, when you dig, is into the same thing.

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I thought they all were the children of psychologists.

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So this is going to be one of the larger overriding things about the Dayton shooting.

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And I'll be honest, Alex doesn't talk about it nearly as much as you might expect him

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to based on the fact that it's like, well, he is very clearly on his social media accounts

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indicating that he has left politics.

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It seems like this would be what you want to dance on.

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Instead, he turns it into just like it's all about him being into Satan, which is weird

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to me.

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But I think I can make sense of it as we go along.

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But the only thing that I think is super important about that clip is just it's so highly demonstrative

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of how he operates.

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It's like when there's a right wing guy who's into Trump and loved Alex or was a huge Ben

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Shapiro fan.

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It doesn't matter.

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It doesn't matter.

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Who cares?

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Who cares if you love him?

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No, no.

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It's psych meds.

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It's Antifa.

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False flags.

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But then you've got this.

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He loves Elizabeth Warren.

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And Satan.

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That behavior is nuts.

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And the thing that it you can hear is that that level of glee, like, look at look at

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me.

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I get to do my I get to do my fun voices now.

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Yesterday, when it was a right wing terrorist, I'm not allowed.

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I'm not allowed.

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Oh, no, it's a deflection.

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But now today I get to be like, he wanted to kill your children and he wanted to eat

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you.

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And that's because he loves Satan.

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You know what else, too?

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He spirals on this episode.

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It starts talking about some stuff that I had never expected to hear.

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What's so weird?

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Like he's sitting here, I expect I show up and I'm expecting like just nothing but dancing

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on Democrats.

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Yeah.

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Do do.

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There's your boy.

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I expected that kind of childish bullshit.

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And instead, I get this.

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But here's the big issue I'm going to tackle first.

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President Trump came out after the Vegas massacre that was an internal Saudi Arabian civil war.

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They used a CIA U.S. gun dealer to bring guns to the hotel room to get around the fact that

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they couldn't fly in with the guns.

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There were 10000 Saudis meeting in Vegas.

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They flew in on their jets from the Saudi military.

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Mainly the Saudi Air Force was having a convention there.

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Crown Prince was there all nine yards using the same hotel.

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He goes believing he's going to sell weapons to them.

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They kill him and then carry out the mass attack as a way to terrorize Trump and embarrass

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Trump.

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This is ludicrous.

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What the fuck did he just say to me?

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I've never heard Alex lay out exactly what his conspiracy theory is about the Las Vegas

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shooting.

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And man, it makes sense why he rarely does, because that sounds nuts.

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So 10000 Saudis and the Crown Prince, MBS, are all staying in the same hotel.

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Well not that the 10000 I don't think are all in the hotel.

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Yeah, that'd be a big hotel.

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Even the Mandalay Bay.

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Yeah.

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What are we what are we talking about?

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We've got to get some bunks.

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Quintupling up on these pots.

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This is part of like a 4chan conspiracy theory that has to do with like an attempted assassination

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of Prince Mohammed bin Salman that was supposedly carried out and then the Las Vegas shooting

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was a distraction to get people to like the paddock came and he was supposed to be selling

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guns to these people or so he thought but it was really they were going to cause the

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they were going to do this shooting to cause a distraction so they could have their assassins

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kill the Crown Prince.

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Oh, OK.

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Right.

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Well, that's right.

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That's what Alex is sort of cribbing from.

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He's taking that and then getting the assassination of MBS out of it and inserting embarrassing

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Trump.

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Right.

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Which is crazy.

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Trump went to Saudi Arabia in May of 2017 and touched the orb.

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The Las Vegas shooting wasn't until October 2017.

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So maybe.

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Oh, get this.

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What do we got here?

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Maybe the orb was the first attempt to embarrass Trump, but it didn't work.

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So they had to do the Las Vegas shooting.

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Maybe that's what's going on here.

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That seems a bit like a strange escalation.

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Sure.

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I would assume there would be a middle step to touch the orb between touch the orb and

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let's kill hundreds of people.

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I think there's a there's a middle ground there.

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Like what motivation did the Saudi government have to want to embarrass Trump?

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Like when he went to Saudi Arabia, he and the king signed a series of letters of intent

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to sell Saudi $350 billion in weapons over the course of the next 10 years.

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Trump has been very consistent about being into Saudi Arabia before the Las Vegas shooting,

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after the Las Vegas shooting, after Jamal Khashoggi got murdered, after Congress blocked

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$8 billion in weapons sales to Saudi back in May and Trump just ignored it and went

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ahead with the sale anyway, after Congress passed resolutions blocking them from selling

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arms to Saudi Arabia and concerned about their actions in Yemen back in July and then Trump

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vetoed it and went ahead with the sale anyway.

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Trump has been very consistent since day one.

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He does not give a fuck.

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There's literally no motive for the Saudis to concoct some elaborate terrorist attack

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in the United States to embarrass Trump into doing what they want because he was already

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doing exactly what they want.

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This is a theory, like I said, that was circulating on that poll board, but it's so completely

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full of holes that if you find it being discussed in other non-insane message boards, it just

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gets torn to shreds.

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There are a thousand holes in the story, not least of which, why?

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There are 10,000 holes in the story, too.

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If Stephen Paddock was a patsy arm dealer, why had he been casing hotel rooms overlooking

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other music festivals?

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Why did he book rooms at hotels in Chicago, Boston, and another one in Las Vegas all overlooking

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big tourist venues?

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If he was just a guy getting some guns for these Saudi folk, why was he doing that shit

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for?

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It's not like this is even worth exploring.

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Alex would just say that the Saudi Arabians tricked Paddock into going to those hotel

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rooms so they would leave a compelling paper trail to keep people from finding the real

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truth.

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That's why this game is never worth playing.

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I have no interest in... you said 10,000 Saudis...

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I didn't.

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No, no, no.

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He said...

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Fuck you.

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Fair enough.

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Fair enough.

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Fair enough.

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Yeah, he said 10,000 Saudis in Prince MBS and I was like, get the fuck out of here.

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I'm not even going to listen.

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It's nuts.

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Fuck you.

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Yeah.

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So that was like, all right, we're off track here.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, a little bit.

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We are off track, Alex.

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Little bit.

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We're in uncharted territory if 10,000 Saudis in MBS are hanging out.

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125,600 Saudis.

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I just want to show off the pipes.

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Well done.

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Well done.

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So that was wild.

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Then Alex just starts rambling about guns and how they're great.

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And he gets into something very interesting.

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Like this is...

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I loved this clip because he's so wrong and it's amazing.

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Like he's just so wrong.

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He couldn't be more wrong.

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But the truth is you've got a lot better chance of somebody trying to break in your house

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with a gun in cities where the public's been disarmed.

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Because let me tell you, thieves will break in your car and stuff in most areas of Texas,

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but they don't come in your house because they'll get their ass blown off.

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Home invasions are very rare here in Chicago, in New York, in Detroit, in every leftist

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area like Baltimore, Maryland.

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They are epidemic.

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Oh my, B and E's.

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I think that makes no sense.

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Like even on an intuitive level, it makes more sense for the opposite to be true.

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Oh, interesting.

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Because if you're in a city, you don't have to...

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Well, there's some interesting things going on here.

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Alex has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

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He seems to think that burglaries are happening all the time in these blue cities or the public

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doesn't have guns, but that's entirely just based on his feelings.

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That's not backed up by any proof.

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If he spent 10 seconds looking into this, he would realize he is a big dumb asshole.

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First things first, as a Chicagoan, I feel the need to point out that Chicago doesn't

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have the highest burglary rate in terms of cities in Illinois.

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That honor goes to Danville, the hometown of Gene Hackman, which is 50 miles closer

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to Indianapolis than it is to Chicago.

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Danville is in Vermilion County, which voted 62.4% for Trump in 2016.

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So whatever.

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The US city that has the highest rate of burglary is Bastrop, Louisiana, which is in Morehouse

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Parish, which voted 55% for Trump in 2016.

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Both US senators from Louisiana are Republicans, and five out of the six people they send to

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the House of Representatives, including Alex's good buddy Steve Scalise, are also Republicans.

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The city in the US with the second highest rate of burglary is Blytheville, Arkansas,

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which is weirdly in Mississippi County, which voted 53.4% for Trump in 2016.

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Both senators from Arkansas are Republicans, and four out of the four members of the state

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are also Republicans.

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It is a very red state.

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The third and fourth most burglarized cities in the country are Lumberton and Laurenburg,

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North Carolina.

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North Carolina was Trump country in 2016, and both senators from North Carolina are

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Republicans, as are eight of the 11 House members.

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There's actually 13 seats, but two are vacant.

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You can totally have guns in Louisiana and even get concealed carry permits.

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You can absolutely get all the guns you want in Arkansas, and you could totally open carry

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your gun without a permit.

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You can definitely own guns and conceal carry in North Carolina.

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With SecureLife.com, the website's security company, they reviewed the 2017 FBI statistics.

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You know what they found?

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New York is the state with the least burglaries in the country.

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Chicago's burglary rate isn't even 10% of Bastrop's, and it's actually slightly lower

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than Austin's.

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Nothing Alex is saying means anything.

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He's just making shit up that feels right to him, and he's making a pretty safe bet

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that no one in his audience is going to doubt him or have the mental horsepower to realize

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he's full of shit.

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But he is full of shit.

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He has no idea what he's talking about, and more often than not, he's just saying shit

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with no evidence to support, and he's saying it as if it's a definitive fact, as he did

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here.

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They have to be very stupid to trust this dude.

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He's a bluffer.

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He's bluffing.

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You know what's interesting, too, like I was looking into this, and some of the people

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who are experts in the field, I don't know if you can prove this necessarily, but they

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theorize that urban areas actually have much lower rates of burglary, and one of the reasons

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is because there's apartment complexes and high rises, which are much more difficult

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to commit burglaries in.

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Well, the only thing that makes sense, or like the intuitive thought I had, is just

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there are so many people crammed in together, and B and E tends to make just enough noise

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to fuck up everybody else's night.

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That's probably a huge factor, too.

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If you're in the suburbs, or if you're in a small town in the middle of nowhere, there's

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a yard between you and your neighbor.

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You see that fifth floor up there?

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Yeah.

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How's anyone going to break into that?

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No shit.

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You're going to have to go through three layers.

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You're going to have to break in layers.

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Exactly.

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It's much easier to break into something that's just a single unit on a ground floor than

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it is.

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Yeah.

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So there's tons and tons of dwellings that are super elevated or behind multiple walls.

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And even our houses are a ton of houses, a share of fucking wall, almost.

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There's a foot of space in between each house.

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Or there's tons of buildings that have entrances that are only accessible through courtyards,

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which make it like, why would someone break in?

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You're completely exposed in this area.

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And there's always somebody awake, and there's always a light on, and there's always somebody

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looking.

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Or at least you assume there is.

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That doesn't mean there aren't any burglaries in the city or anything like that.

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But the rates in these that Alex thinks are happening in these, I mean, let's be fair,

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mostly predominantly non-white population, or at least he associates with non-white populations,

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Baltimore, Chicago.

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Cities.

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Yeah.

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So I mean, that's the perception that he has, but it's not true.

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It's based on him just making things up on what he assumes is the case, which, honestly,

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behaving like that kind of puts a little bit of a asterisk around most of the things you

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say.

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Right.

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And if you can that confidently deliver something you're making up, man, you are a suspect.

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Well, it's because he thinks that if, so, and I can kind of see where he might feel

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confident when he's making that up, is if you think that Chicago is murder city USA,

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then I'm guessing he probably just assumes that if Chicago has a high rate of murder,

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then it must have a high rate of every single possible crime available.

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We're just crime-ridden, doing everything, everybody in Chicago is committing crimes

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all the time.

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If that's the case, and I would really love for him to say, I assume Chicago has higher

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crime burglary rates, because that would be honest, because the fact is it doesn't.

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No, of course not.

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So go fuck yourself, Alex, on behalf of Chicago, go fuck yourself.

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For so many reasons.

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Go eat a hot dog with ketchup.

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Get you on Damon and Fullerton and we'll fuck you up.

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That's what we're gonna happen.

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Meet me at the Six Corners.

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Yeah.

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Wait, which ones?

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The new Six Corners or the old Six?

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you.

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Which one?

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What, the old town?

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What are we talking about?

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The original Sears Six Corners?

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Yeah.

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Meet me at Willis Tower.

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Doesn't exist.

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I don't do a good Chicago accent.

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So both of those last two clips were like, what are we doing?

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Las Vegas shooting conspiracy, okay, burglaries are high in cities, wrong, okay.

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This next clip blew my fucking mind.

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It legitimately, I was like, Alex, what are you saying?

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What are you saying?

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He seems to be expressing a desire to go back to a bygone age, but that's not out of the

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norm for him.

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No, no, no.

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He wants a farm.

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He wants to retire.

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He wants to live in the forest.

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The specifics of the context in which he's talking about it make me very upset.

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There always has been some people, but in the old days, we dealt with them.

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The village would recognize them.

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The first time they got caught doing something weird and sick, well, you know what the village

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would do.

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And usually their parents will even join in, beat their brains out.

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People didn't put up with this type of crap.

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The old days you acted sick and weird and said you wanted to kill kids, got caught doing

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something weird.

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Well, where'd Bob go?

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Well, nobody knows where old Bob went.

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The last 10 shooters or so all said they hated Christians and that they love Satan except

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the El Paso shooter because they've expunged all the stuff and then putting fake stuff

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up about how he's a Trump supporter.

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You know, that's admitted that his social media was anti Trump, Democrat.

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I mean, there's screenshots of it.

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It's confirmed, but it didn't matter that it all got put out there.

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It all got force fed on Saturday.

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We've been banned from the larger Internet.

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We couldn't counter it.

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And so now it is the accepted fact that the supposed lone shooter in El Paso, Texas, was

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a Trump supporter, even though we have all the screenshots from his social media and

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they changed it.

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We ought to be asking who changed it within 30 minutes?

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Who was able to do that?

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Anybody anybody can do literally anybody who knows how to use the Internet.

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It's not like you need a super hacker.

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No, to change my life thing.

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And that's the other thing, too.

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I think we didn't do a good enough job of like really calling him out on this is like

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presenting my life as social media is absurd.

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That means something very different.

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It's closer to the white pages, as I understand it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Kind of a profile.

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Not the white papers, but like a phone book.

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Could be the white papers.

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We could call it that.

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Yeah.

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And this is why I wanted to really drive home at the beginning of the episode how central

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that is to so much of his suspicions, because now, like anything that happens can be called

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into question because of this right misunderstanding that he has about the my life profile being

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changed.

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Anything he can get away from any kind of the assertions that this manifesto is his

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he can get away from any indications that he had similar beliefs to the right wing media

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sphere.

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Right.

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The conveyor, the very very useful, the very convenient misunderstanding of how my life

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almost too convenient, almost to almost suspiciously convenient.

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I want to talk about the rest of that clip.

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Let's do it.

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Alex is so goddamn fucked up.

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Every time I think I've heard his weirdest position, he goes and swings with the fences

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and catches me off guard with something like back in the day, the village would kill people

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before it gets to this point.

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Yeah.

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That's fucked up.

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Haven't you read the lottery, Dan, or the fucking crucible?

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The lottery was like random.

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So there was a part of me that was inclined to just say, hey, look at this weirdo who

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thinks it's a good idea for communities to kill people who break their local mores.

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But I think this is so weird that it deserves a little more analysis.

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What Alex isn't mentioning is that in these villages he's talking about, presumably in

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the early days of America that he fetishizes so much, these rules were straight up theocratic.

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In the early 1600s in Virginia, it was illegal to not attend church twice a day.

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You had to attend church twice a day.

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If you broke that law three times, you'd be enslaved for six months rowing boats.

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Man.

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Yeah.

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Humans are stupid.

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These early systems of village justice were not at all what Alex imagines they were, where

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the community just gets together and deals with the problem early and then everyone seals

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their lips like they're in La Costa Nostra.

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More often than not, the people who were the targets of community justice were such because

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the community just thought they were weird, probably because they were gay or just they

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didn't fit into the insanely rigid social structure that was enforced at the time.

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The Salem Witch Trials are a great example of this getting way out of hand.

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Like many of the victims, that chapter in our history were just women who didn't play

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by the repressive rules of the patriarchal system in the villages that they lived in.

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One of the people who was killed was a woman who married a slave, another was a woman who

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just didn't want to go to church.

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Neither of these women posed a threat to others in the way that a mass shooter does today,

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and killing them was not an act that protected anything other than the repressive status

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quo.

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Many groups like the First Nations and Maori, they had in place systems of restorative justice

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on the community level, but they didn't involve secretly disappearing people, so I think that

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might be a little different than what Alex is talking about, although an interesting

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idea that they have.

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Yeah, it is, unfortunately Toni Morrison died.

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Rest in peace.

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She is amazing, but the quote that's going around recently, to paraphrase, is something

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along the lines of, if you need to tear somebody else down to feel tall, then you have a problem,

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and it seems like white people need to do that, and maybe they have a problem.

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Is that a quote?

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No, I paraphrased it.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, fair enough.

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If you take what Alex is saying as plainly as you can, I think he's saying that we should

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go back to a system where we kill people we're suspicious of so they don't end up becoming

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a problem later.

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And I gotta say, that's an insanely big swing for someone who claims that one of his favorite

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parts of Western culture is due process.

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It sounds kind of like that might just be a buzzword for him.

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Back in the old days, we didn't have due process, and it was easier to solve problems.

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I love due process, but we could do away with it, you know what I'm saying?

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Do away with it process.

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He yells about due process all the fucking time, and now he's like yearning for the day

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is when the mob would kill weird people.

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Yeah, I'm confused about why he loves mob rules.

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And their parents would bash their brains in along with them.

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Like, what the fuck?

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Get out of here.

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No shit.

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Get out.

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So, one of the things about doing the Monday episode as well as the Sunday and looking

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at both of them was, first of all, the dissatisfaction with Alex not talking about both shootings

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on Sunday.

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Yeah.

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And then secondarily, I knew that 8chan had their issue by Monday, so Alex would be aware

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of that.

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And that's where he gets a lot of his information from, both 4chan and 8chan.

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So I knew he'd be kind of bent out of shape about it, but he doesn't seem nearly as mad

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about it as I expected.

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It's very weird.

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I mean, obviously, he's opposed to them not being around.

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Yeah, free speech, censored, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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Yeah, sure.

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And he's misrepresenting the story about what happened, and so that means that he cares

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a little.

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It's a weird way to put it.

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He cares so he lies.

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Yeah.

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That's an accurate way to put it.

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Yeah, kind of.

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It doesn't seem to be true, but I think it is true.

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Yeah.

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So here's him getting into that story.

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The fact that this individual supposedly uploaded this manifesto to 8chan, and now 8chan's been

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taken down off of their internet provider, is beyond dangerous, ladies and gentlemen.

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And next, they're talking about taking away URLs as well, as if 8chan caused this individual

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to go and do this.

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It's just preposterous.

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I think there's an interesting conversation to be had there that's not preposterous.

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But Alex is misrepresenting the situation here with 8chan a little bit.

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For one, there is a real problem with dudes getting radicalized on that site, and there's

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a very consistent pattern of it that we've been seeing.

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Beyond that, a ton of Alex's fake information he just pulls directly from 4chan and 8chan.

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So making it a little bit harder for him to find that low-hanging fruit might actually

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be a good thing for him.

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Like maybe if he has to work for it a little bit more, it'll bring out that fighting spirit

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that'll get him back in mid-season form.

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Or he'll quit even sooner.

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Maybe.

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Yeah.

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What happened with 8chan wasn't that they had their site taken down.

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Were the government to do that, I would agree that that would probably be a little bit of

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a bad precedent to set, and I don't know how in favor of it I would be.

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I would like the end result, but I don't think I'd like the process.

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In reality, what happened was that Cloudflare, an internet security company, decided to stop

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working with 8chan, leaving them with no protection from hackers and denial of service attacks.

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Most websites have security services they can work with, that they do work with, and

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that allows most sites to regularly not get disrupted all that often.

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Those websites have terms of service, though.

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So if you're running a WordPress page and the content is outside what they allow, WordPress

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will take down your blog.

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8chan doesn't have really any rules.

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So in essence, their relationship with Cloudflare was becoming a thing where Cloudflare was

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just protecting a website where increasingly dangerous and illegal things were going on,

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and no one was doing anything about it.

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Cloudflare has no obligation to protect 8chan, and they decided that they'd had enough and

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severed their relationship.

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That's their right to decide.

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After the Unite the Right rally, Cloudflare dropped their services from being used by

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the Daily Stormer.

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This is something they can do, and honestly should do.

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If 8chan or the Daily Stormer exist as entirely toxic hate-filled spaces, no company should

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be forced to work with them and provide services that allow them to maintain their space, as

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long as there are other companies in that market space.

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So it's not like a monopoly.

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It's not a monopoly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I get what you're saying.

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Yeah.

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One of the things that...

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No one man should have all that power.

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Yeah.

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And that's just...

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I mean, that has nothing to do with even protecting their free speech.

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It's just more of a...

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This is bad.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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One of the only things that allows these chans to exist and operate the way they do is intense

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security and anonymity protection.

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It's created a place where users are free to throw out racial slurs, cheer on mass shootings,

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plan mass shootings, call for genocide, and whatever other horrible shit you can imagine.

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A lot of it's probably insincere, but the single thing that makes it possible is anonymity.

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Without a company like Cloudflare providing that anonymity protection, the entire game

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falls apart.

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People will be like, uh-oh, this comment could be traced back to me being a real racist pile

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of shit.

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Right.

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No, it's what protects them.

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It's for people who can still feel shame.

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In the real world.

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Maybe.

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Yeah.

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Pretty soon after Cloudflare dropped them, a-chan announced that they'd gotten security

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from Bitmitigate.

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But that quickly fell apart when it was found out that Bitmitigate was really just selling

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services from another company, Voxility, who said fuck that shit and pulled their services.

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It's not a coincidence that Bitmitigate is also the company that came in to protect the

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Daily Stormer after they were kicked off Cloudflare.

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I'm gonna guess they would say it's a protecting free speech thing, but I don't buy that shit

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for a second.

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Anyway, the situation as it stands now, as best as I can tell, is that a-chan doesn't

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have solid security in a company that will work for them and work with them.

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And that could effectively be the end of their effectiveness as a radicalization hub.

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We'll see, though.

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Some other shit had come along and worked with them, some other company could agree

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to do it, and it may have already by the time we're recording this and put this out.

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Or a whole new hub could pop up in short order.

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For the time being, I think it's an effective disruption of the process, and while that

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doesn't necessarily solve the problem, I think it's probably a positive thing.

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Yeah.

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That's my feeling on it.

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Deplatforming is a good first step.

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It's never a bad idea, or it's an action.

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At the very least, it's fucking something, because nobody else is doing a goddamn thing.

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So we've seen bad work on Alex's part so far.

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I mean, the Sunday show was full of a lot of nonsense, but so far we've seen Alex misreporting

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this story.

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We've heard him brag.

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That DAPA versus DARPA thing is just unexcusable.

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That was on Sunday.

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Unexcusable.

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It was on Sunday.

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Unexcusable.

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Wipe it off the block.

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Yeah.

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I can't wipe that off the block.

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Well, I mean, for the purposes of this next clip.

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Well, for Jenny, never mind.

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So I mean, he's talking about Mexico's crime rate in nonsensical ways.

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He's rambling and just making stuff up about burglary rates in America.

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And so it's really funny when he says something like this.

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We're gonna go to break and we come back.

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I've done too much preparation for this show.

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My head is spinning.

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Sorry.

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I don't just put these hundreds of articles out here to, you know, as a prop or, look,

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I've got all the research.

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I learned a long time ago that computers can crash.

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They change stories.

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They remove stories.

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So I've been on air for 25 years, used to it took like a couple of minutes to load an

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article.

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Remember that?

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25 years ago.

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So I learned that if I got an article loaded, I would print it.

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So I don't have to read it.

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Also, if you hear that popping and stuff, I've noticed that lately in his present day

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episodes, the sound quality is so much worse.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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I don't know what the deal is, but his just present day episodes have like, there's high

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level quality problems.

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It's not your earphones.

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It's not us.

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That's, that's on his end.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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It's pretty, pretty, that's sad.

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Pretty weak.

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Um, he goes on to ramble about how like people at old radio stations got mad at him for using

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all the printer papers.

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So he bought his own printer.

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Why are you doing, why are you telling us this?

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There's no way that those are not props.

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Yeah.

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Like they're, they're maybe, maybe too deep, maybe too deep on an article.

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Rest is blank paper.

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No shit.

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Come on, Alex.

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Just admit it in this next clip, Alex is complaining about Trump.

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Uh, and he's, uh, you know, Trump had been talking about, uh, putting red flag laws in

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place where people who are red, you know, the red flags on this, maybe make it so they

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can't get guns.

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I, at this point he probably, you could have told me he was trying to outlaw red flags

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as a way to help gun control and I'd be like, of course he is.

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Maybe whatever.

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So Alex is not into that, but he's also not nearly as mad about that as you might expect.

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I thought for sure, uh, tune in this show and he'd be like, Trump's up in fucking ice.

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He's not, I don't know.

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I don't know why he seems totally fine with the whole thing.

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Yeah.

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If Obama had done that, there might actually, we might actually be in a civil war right

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now.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is like, this is unnecessary because there's already this sort of thing.

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He said, I love Satan.

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Here's a little tip.

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When someone says I love Satan and can't wait to die and go to hell, that's what he said.

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I'm going to kill people.

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You don't need some red flag act that gets rid of the process.

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Look at that guy.

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Pale.

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So real quick, I just want to be clear.

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Alex is talking about like you can use the Baker Act to put these people, you know, and

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to that point people tried.

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Yeah.

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How did it go?

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The people who are the targets, the young women who are the targets of his harassment

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in high school tried.

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Yep.

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But Alex, I will say on paper, yes, there are things in place that can help in these

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sorts of situations, but the conversation is about how these things don't work and we

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need to take this more seriously and possibly that can be done through further legislation.

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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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But anyway, would you believe that Alex spins his wheels a while and then kind of turns

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this into ranting about himself?

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Sure.

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Have that distance stare like a little spoiled rotten baby, probably jerks off 50 times a

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day.

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I mean, we know the exact M.O. women run from them.

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They're creeps.

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Because I guarantee you, daddy wasn't home and nobody ever beat his ass.

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Wow.

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I hate you so much.

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I mean, that guy needed to have his ass kicked royal.

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And he was I guarantee he was a bully when he was I love that you were a fake origin

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story they put out on me, totally made up all eyes that I was a bully, that I was beating

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up people smaller than me.

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No, I was bullied and I beat the living hell out of people once I hit puberty.

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That's what happened.

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Why are you doing this?

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Like why are you like why did you start ranting about the Dayton shooter and then turn it

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into like he needs to get his ass kicked?

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He was probably a bully.

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Everyone says I'm a bully.

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I was bullied.

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Why stop making this about yourself.

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Everything is about him.

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It's a malignant narcissist.

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It's crazy.

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So this shooter in Dayton and also the one in El Paso chose some accessories to use during

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their shootings.

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And Alex believes that he knows why.

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You know, this Ohio thing was a copycat dressed the same or ear protection, everything.

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Because they're used to wearing the headphones when they play the shoot him up games.

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And he was into that too.

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Oh, great.

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Fuck you.

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I agree.

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We're not we're not talking about video games.

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No, I'm done.

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If if anybody's like video games, then they're done.

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There's no argument.

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We're not arguing.

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Oh, this argument was settled 10 years ago.

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Go back in fucking time and do it.

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I present that without comment.

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Yeah, it's just that's what Alex that's the level he's operating.

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Oh, I wasn't talking about I wasn't talking to you specifically.

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Oh, no, I thought that was a suggestion that I was going to say, okay, no, we're not talking

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about this.

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No, no, no.

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So earlier on Sunday's episode, Alex brought up the babies and incubators, which he blames

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on the left, strangely.

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And you know, that's sort of the justification for why you get to question things.

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And again, he's not questioning things.

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He's creating misinformation.

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It's a very clear he brings back up the babies and incubators.

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This is fucking fascinating to me.

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We have a right and a duty to look at every event as if it could be staged.

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Take the babies in the incubators again, 1990 Desert Shield.

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The build up before Desert Storm, the offensive, and they came and testified that they saw

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babies by the hundreds pulled out their brains bashed out.

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The girl had never been to Kuwait.

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None of it happened.

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Her daughter of a PR firm controlled by the Saudis.

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She was four years older than they said.

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She was 18.

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She wasn't 14.

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It was a lie.

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It was a lie.

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We've talked about the specifics of the babies and incubators narrative on a past episode,

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so I don't want to go all the way back deeply into it.

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But I want to point out just a few things here that are a huge problem.

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There's a lot of problems with the 1990 testimony that was given about the Iraqi security forces

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stealing incubators from Kuwaiti hospitals and leaving children to die.

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I'll not pretend that there aren't.

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However, it's woefully simplistic for Alex to pretend that the testimony was the only

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reason George H.W. Bush began the Gulf War.

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I'm sure it was a piece of it, and while it's an incredibly complex situation, it does appear

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that some of that testimony was not accurate.

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All of that's fine, and if Alex wanted to discuss the testimony on those terms, I think

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there would be a great use of his time.

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That might be something an actual skeptic might do.

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Someone like Alex would prefer to embellish and exaggerate things in order to use this

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example to help justify his unjustifiable position that he deserves to have a knee-jerk

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reaction to every act of white people committing terrorist acts, assuming that they're somehow

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fake.

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Yeah.

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That clip we listened to right there was 31 seconds long, and in it, Alex said seven completely

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not true things.

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One, the girl who gave the testimony was named Neera Al-Sabah, and she had most certainly

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been to Kuwait.

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Two, her father was not a member of a PR firm.

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Her father was Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States.

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Three, the PR firm in question was Hill and Knowlton, which was working with a group called

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Citizens for a Free Kuwait.

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I can find no evidence to support the claim that Hill and Knowlton was controlled by the

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Saudis.

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Four, there's no evidence that she was 18.

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Five, No one claimed she was 14.

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She was 15.

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Six, in her testimony, Neera doesn't specify how many babies were taken out of incubators,

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but in written testimony later that wasn't under oath, she put the number at 15, which

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is far lower than Alex's bullshit about hundreds.

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Seven, nowhere in her testimony does Neera say that the babies' brains were bashed in.

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She just said that they took the incubators and left the children to die on the cold floor.

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That is a staggering amount of details to have wrong in such a short burst of words,

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and some of this may sound pedantic, but I really need to stress that even when Alex

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kind of has a good point, he's wrong.

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It's pathological for him.

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Even when the circumstances of something are in his wheelhouse and a story should be a

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slam dunk for him, he can't resist the urge to lie about it and make it even more sensational.

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Part of that is just that Alex doesn't know much about the stories he's telling.

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That's a big part of it.

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But another thing, he's like a Jesus lizard.

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He's only able to stay above water and skip from spot to spot on the surface because he

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has no conception of the depth of the water.

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If the Jesus lizard made any use of anything other than the surface of the lake, it would

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sink, and the same is true of Alex.

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Both make a great, impressive spectacle, but there's so much more of the water that they're

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missing.

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And as I read that, I'm like, was I high when I wrote that?

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I'm sorry I gave you a face.

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I gave you a face.

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I'm sorry.

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I was feeling it.

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I'm sorry.

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I was like, I must have written that at three in the morning.

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I stand by it, but...

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No, no, no.

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I get it.

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I get the analogy.

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I do.

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It works.

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So anyway, Alex, he doesn't know anything about this case, or if he does, he's intentionally

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exaggerating and misleading things because it helps him make his claim that it's more

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justified for him to, quote, unquote, question everything, which is flimsy.

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So in this next clip, Alex, man, he's just all over the place, but I actually like this

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clip.

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I like this clip.

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All right.

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You know, they have Hollywood movies like Wag the Dog.

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Bill Clinton liked that movie so much with Dustin Hoffman and Willie Nelson.

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Point of order.

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That's not the billing on it.

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Dustin Hoffman, Robert De Niro, maybe Dennis Leary, third.

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I would...

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Yeah.

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Who's the lady in there?

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Anne Heche.

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Anne Heche gets top billing over fucking Willie Nelson.

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Get out of here just because you know him.

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That he staged it a year after it came out exactly that in real time in the same area.

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So if you miss that because we paused in the middle, he's arguing that Bill Clinton loved

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Wag the Dog so much that he decided to do it.

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And man, I love Wag the Dog.

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I think it's a fantastic movie, although I will say I haven't seen it since I was 19

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or so.

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Yeah, I haven't seen it in a long, long time.

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I'll be the first to admit there's a lot of similarities between the situation depicted

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in the movie and some of the details of the Lewinsky affair.

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There's also a bunch of differences that you need to wrestle with if you want to make this

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kind of argument.

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The first is that in the movie, the war is fake.

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They don't bomb anyone, actually.

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It's just all for show.

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If Alex is arguing that Clinton faked bombings because he loved Wag the Dog so much, even

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though he would have to know that people would say, hey, are you wagging the dog right now?

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Like legitimately, Clinton's Secretary of Defense was asked about Wag the Dog under

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oath.

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This is a very popular movie in 97.

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It's not like Clinton would see that movie and be like, we're going to do exactly this

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and no one will ever put the pieces together.

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I would argue that the fact that there are many surface level similarities makes it less

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likely that the bombings were an attempt to change the media coverage since that plan

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would be painfully transparent and there was a cool movie with a catchy name people could

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use to be like, hey, that's what you're doing.

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Yep.

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It's ridiculous.

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Now that said, the bombing that the military carried out around the time of the Lewinsky,

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when Monica Lewinsky testified in front of a grand jury, the bombing was in Sudan.

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In Wag the Dog, they put on a fake war in Albania because they know that no one knows

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anything about Albania.

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Alex says that Clinton carried out an attack in the same area.

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And I should tell you that Albania and Sudan are not in the same area.

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A few thousand miles, give or take, is no big deal.

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About 2,000.

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No, give or take, no big deal.

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Albania is in the Mediterranean, whereas Sudan is south of Egypt and Africa in the Sahara

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desert.

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Not very similar or close.

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As Alex sits in his studio doing his show, he's closer to Nicaragua.

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He's closer to Haiti than Albania is to Sudan.

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And I would not say his studio is in the same area as Nicaragua.

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Ridiculous.

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Nonsensical.

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But I love that.

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I love that Alex lives in a world where he thinks that Bill Clinton saw Wag the Dog and

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was like, let's do it.

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Oh, God.

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I love it.

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You have to take those moments because everything else sucks so much.

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Brief moment of unfiltered levity.

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So in this next clip, he plays a report from The Weeknd.

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This is from The Weeknd, right?

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This is his Monday show, but he's playing a clip from The Weeknd.

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And keep in mind...

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A clip from his own show on The Weeknd?

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Yes.

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OK.

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And I think...

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Oh, this is just trash.

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Oh, boy.

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Trash.

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They act like this is somehow bad.

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I'm very proud of what I said here.

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Here it is.

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NBC reports Patrick Crutius.

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The leftist savior who just shows up right at the moment when the left is being exposed

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with our whole agenda falling apart.

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And when Trump is defending our borders, supposing as evil racists, right as Antifa announces

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nationwide funded by Alexander Soros, that they are going to be marching across the U.S.

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and meeting September 1st in like 26 days in El Paso to crush the border patrol and

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to lay siege to them.

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These are quotes.

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They put out graphics showing American flags burning, they put out graphics showing dead

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ice officers.

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And I said, what are they planning to stage?

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I said this on Friday show.

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What are they planning to stage?

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And on Thursday show, what are they planning to stage ahead of Antifa showing up right

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on time at El Paso so that it looks legitimate when they attack physically the ice ages and

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call them Nazis and say kids are drinking out of toilets and the people are being killed

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when they're actually coming here from the countries that are collapsing?

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So the reason I play as much of that is because I want to make this abundantly fucking clear.

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Alex is pretending that he's questioning things.

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And that's why the media is afraid of him existing, that he's not questioning things.

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That is a narrative.

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He has a narrative.

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And that was during the weekend.

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That isn't on Monday's show.

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That is his knee jerk reaction is a formed narrative that has people to blame.

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It has villains.

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It has a storyline.

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It has a reason.

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It has a baked in false narrative about this Antifa tour that's going to end in El Paso.

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This is what he does.

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This is not questioning things.

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This is disinformation and propaganda.

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But it's not like it's not good propaganda.

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It's evil.

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This is evil propaganda.

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Well, I mean, it's not just evil propaganda.

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It's not even good evil propaganda.

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It's bad evil propaganda.

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But it works.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's a problem.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, we got big guests so far.

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We had Tom Papert.

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Yes.

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We had Tom Papert.

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Right.

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We had that one guy who called in and he had nano mafia.

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I don't count him as a guest.

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Ah, I feel like he's a guest.

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Future employee.

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And now we get to guests we're more familiar with who's just as much of a shithead as Tom

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Papert.

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And that is the Health Ranger.

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No, he's not allowed.

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Mike Adams.

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He's not allowed.

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This is this is one of Mike Adams theories that he has going about these shootings.

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And man, I want to say this before we start it, I'm going to say it after we start.

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And this dude is fucking stupid.

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People were really shot and killed.

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None of us are saying that that didn't happen.

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What we're saying, what we're asking the question is what why was this violence taking place

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or why was this person dispatched to this Wal-Mart in El Paso to carry out this shooting?

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And if he was on a suicide mission, why was he wearing hearing protection?

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Why was he wearing eye pro and ear pro, as we say, in the shooting community?

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You only do that if you expect to survive, which is why I don't believe that his so-called

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manifesto is real at all.

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I think the manifesto, let's explain how this works.

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You think you're going to a drill or you think you're taking part of something is you're

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in the queue movement and Trump's got you as a secret agent and you get set up in the

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process of it, then you get given electroshock therapy a few hours later and you never remember

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what happened.

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Oh, that's how it works.

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I think Alex is also eating lunch.

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So that's stupid.

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I want to say I promise I was going to say this.

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So Mike is fucking stupid.

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And I want to say this.

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He is a complete goober.

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Listen to this dumb fuck.

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Look, this is insane.

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These dudes present themselves as gun experts and passionate about the gun world.

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And yet here they are trying to pretend that the only reason someone would wear ear and

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eye protection is that they expect it to survive.

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Yeah, it's definitely not because you would want to continue to be able to see.

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That's part of it.

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Like legitimately, how fucking stupid do they think the people they're talking to are?

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Just off the top of my head, I can come up with a bunch of reasons why someone who expected

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to die would still wear ear and eye protection.

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How about they're used to doing so.

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Is it outside the realm of possibility that these are people who shot regularly so they're

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in the habit of practicing appropriate safety measures?

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Is that seriously not even a possibility?

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What about comfort?

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Even if you expect to die, that doesn't mean you want to risk blowing out your eardrums

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right before you do.

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Or how about the notion that these dudes knew that they would be more effective carrying

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out a shooting with ear and eye protection?

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That's what I was thinking.

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It's kind of like, you know, like it's some kind of a kickback or powder or whatever gets

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into your eyes mid shooting.

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That's going to limit your efficacy, as will ringing pain in your ears.

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It's entirely possible that these guys just saw using ear and eye protection as being

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part of maximizing the damage they'd be able to inflict because they would be protected

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from the little things that could derail their shooting prematurely.

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Absolutely.

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For Mike Adams to argue with a straight face that using eye and ear protection is somehow

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proof that the El Paso shooter expected to live is a gigantic leap of logic, he hasn't

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proven his premises and he hasn't earned his conclusion.

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He's just talking shit and he knows he's talking shit.

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The reason the possible other reasons they might wear protection aren't discussed is

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because Mike and Alex have a specific conclusion they need to get to.

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The misinformation is towards a desired goal, not some kind of skeptical analysis of things.

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That's just abundantly clear.

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So now they're presenting the idea that you have these guys who are like brainwashed or

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something, and so they end up, like the globalists have dispatched them there.

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That's now the operating function that they're going off of.

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And Alex is kind of being rushed out to break, but he makes reference of something that has

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to do with the technique and the system that the globalists use.

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And it kind of piqued my interest because I hadn't heard him mention this before.

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We're going to break down how they set people up on the other side, the Arlington Road system.

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Stay with us.

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He's like, oh shit, he's about to break something real.

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I'd never heard this discussed before.

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And then it kind of disappointed me because when he came back from the commercial break,

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he explained it and here's what it's all about.

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Folks need to know that the left's tools is trying to race war.

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That's the race of the whole.

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All the movies, all the Netflix, all the TV shows are race war, race war, race war.

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And so I think Trump's right to come out and say, hey, white supremism is terrible, even

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though we know this guy's a leftist and the other guy's an admitted antifa member that

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loves Satan.

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I get why Trump's doing this politically.

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It's still very dangerous with his base to talk about getting rid of due process with

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red flag laws.

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But again, Arlington Road came out, I don't know, 15 years ago.

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Jeff Bridges.

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There it is.

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He's a libertarian professor.

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All right.

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He's a critic of the government.

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Okay.

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Having too much power.

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Here we go.

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And there's this weird shadowy right wing group, the movie pretty much it's shadow government

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CIA.

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Nope.

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They set him up.

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He believes he's stopping the truck bomb.

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But all they really do is trick him to get in there when it goes off so they can then

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put it on the news to make it look like he's a terrorist and look, it's a respected professor

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that did this.

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Let's go to the audio.

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Here it is.

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So then Alex just plays minutes of the end of Arlington Road.

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Of course it's a fucking movie.

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The Arlington Road system is a movie.

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I was thinking that he was genuine.

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I was like, oh, I haven't heard about the Arlington Road system.

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There must be some sort of transportation or you, you like, Nope, you Arlington Road

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system, not the Arlington Road system.

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You got tricked the same way I thought it sounded like maybe it's something fucking

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movie.

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It's always a movie.

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God damn it.

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There's one crucial problem with Alex's theory about the movie Arlington Road.

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And that is that in the movie, Jeff Bridges character is not set up for a terrorist attack

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by the FBI or the deep state.

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But his neighbors are the ones who do it, who are terrorists, who are looking for someone

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to carry out the attack they planned in such a way as to make it look like it's a lone

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wolf attack to protect their terrorist cell so they can continue operations.

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Again, we run into this thing where Alex can't defend any of his ideas except by referencing

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movies.

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And so often the movies he cites don't even make the points he thinks they do.

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Especially when he tries to cite a book.

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That one's, that's when we get into real trouble there.

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It's so crazy.

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So anyway, Alex plays minutes of this at the end of the movie.

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It's weird.

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That can't be true.

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It is.

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Is he eating lunch again?

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I think he might be.

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I think he might be.

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But he does chime in a couple times and I think it's pretty funny.

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It's a really good movie.

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You wanna know how these people work, folks?

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This is it.

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You're gonna write some of these scripts.

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CIA.

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What?

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Yeah.

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What did he just say?

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He said that it's a great movie and most of these scripts are written by the CIA and by

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extension that means you can learn about how they operate through this.

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Right.

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I thought that's what he said.

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He did.

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But I assumed that you couldn't possibly be that stupid.

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Arlington Road was not written by the CIA.

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It was written by Aaron Krueger who also wrote The Ring, three Transformers movies and the

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new Dumbo.

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I can find no evidence that he is CIA.

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Also, Arlington Road is not a good movie.

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It's a paranoid convoluted mess of a movie with tons of plot holes that make no sense.

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So Alex...

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Did you watch it?

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I saw it a long time ago.

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Oh, okay.

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But I have not, I have not gone back.

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Okay.

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And I did check some reviews just to refresh my memory and it's not universally positive.

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Yeah.

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Gotcha.

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So like I said, he plays a bunch of this.

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Metacritic just gives it a rating of Alex Jones loves this movie, which is enough for

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people to be like, okay, good, good.

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I'm out.

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So Alex plays a bunch of the movie and I think he starts to realize like, I'm supposed to

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be a radio show.

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Yeah.

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You're not good for radio, but TV don't see it.

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All right.

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Good.

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Good.

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Good.

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Good.

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Not good for radio.

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All right.

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And that was minutes in.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So here is his sort of a final piece about Arlington Road.

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And I just think that there's, you could see like a real problem, but it's so in line with

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his brain in this clip.

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It's on the news, he's a right wing terrorist.

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Now the police take him take over.

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So the end of the movie involves Jeff Bridges being set up for a bombing and what you saw

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there was the explosion at the end when an FBI building gets blown up.

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Right.

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And Alex is missing a very vital point in the plot of this movie.

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And that is that the bombing of that FBI building was still definitely a terrorist attack.

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Just because Jeff Bridges got set up, that doesn't mean that it wasn't still an organized

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coordinated attack by an anti-government terrorist cell.

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Sure.

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It's unfortunate that Jeff Bridges' good name has to be tarnished by the bombing.

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But whatever it's saying, but whether it's saying he was a right wing terrorist or saying

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that the group that set him up were right wing terrorists, either way, it's still a

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movie about a right wing terror plot.

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Yes.

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It's remarkable how Alex rewrites both reality and fiction to fit his worldview.

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In the movie, Tim Robbins and his wife are definitely terrorists.

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But Alex watches this movie and decides that they must actually be working for the globalist

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and that's the writer's real point.

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I know that art is subjective and we all bring a lot of our own baggage to any media we consume,

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but I'm very unsettled by the way Alex consumes media.

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We don't bring that much baggage.

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I tend not to.

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I don't think anybody brings that much baggage.

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I think if Alex were to try and describe the plot to the writer, he'd be like, wow.

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Yeah.

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I did not.

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That wasn't my point.

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I didn't even want to know how Alex understands a fucking Wheel of Fortune episode.

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I don't want to deal with how he rewrites that whole fucking fantasy.

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So the whole time he's playing Arlington Road, Mike Adams is on hold.

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Good.

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Mike Adams, whatever.

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As long as you're on hold, you're not hurting somebody else.

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So Mike Adams started things off with a dumb argument about eye and ear protection and

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now he comes in with maybe a dumber argument.

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I would say this is dumber.

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If you are moving with a long gun, an AR or an AK, you're moving and trying to shoot targets

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that are running, it is extremely difficult.

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That takes an expert marksman to pull that off.

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That's not something that a casual 21-year-old with no experience can accomplish.

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So Mike Adams is really bringing some soft bullshit today.

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This argument is absolutely nonsensical on its face because it presumes one thing and

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that is that these shooters had targets.

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They weren't going into places like where they committed their crimes with the intention

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of shooting specific people, which admittedly would be hard.

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And if that were the case, Mike might have a decent point.

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They were intending to go into crowded areas and open fire indiscriminately hoping to hit

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lots of people.

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That's not quite as hard to pull off when you're moving.

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If you aren't aiming at something specific, it's a bit easier.

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To pretend that Mike doesn't understand that is so far beyond the realm of possibility

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for me.

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He absolutely knows this shit yet he pretends that he doesn't so he can spin these fucked

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up conspiracy narratives to protect his precious guns.

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Again, this isn't questioning world events.

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This is intentionally misinforming people to build propaganda narratives.

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This is the business that Infowars is in.

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Well, that and movie reviews.

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That's the other business though.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I wouldn't even go, I wouldn't say they were doing too much reviewing so much as like...

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Well, I mean, I guess a review is like, you should see this, so fair.

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They are in the business of movie reviews.

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You're right.

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You're right.

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Elitism.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, Alex argues that the El Paso shooting was fake for a weird reason.

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He has a very strange reason.

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This whole situation, I mean, let me tell you, if you just shot 20 some people, I don't

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care what police department is, you're going to get in your ass kicked some.

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This guy does not have a blemish on him and I guarantee you this guy would have been jumped

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on.

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He'd have a black guy, have a bloody nose.

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He was lucky.

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But no, nothing.

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Something's going on.

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I think it's really fucked up for a thing for Alex to be using the absence of police

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brutality to be a standard by which he judges if something was real or not.

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I mean, there's countless examples of shootings where people are taken in with that incident,

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generally when they're white and they surrender.

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Dylan Roof and James Holmes both come to mind as shooters who were taken in without being

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beaten up.

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I don't know what to say other than I would hope that police never take it into their

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own hands just to rough people up for no reason, even if they have just committed a crime.

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That seems like exactly the kind of Jack Bootery that Alex seems to have based his entire career

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on being against.

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Given that, it seems so weird to hear him legitimately suggest that the El Paso shooter

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was probably not the real shooter because cops didn't beat him up, sort of implying

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that the normal thing for cops to do in his mind is beat people up.

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He's got a sick mind, this guy.

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Yeah.

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I mean, on the other hand, the normal thing for cops to do kind of seems to be beat people

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up.

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So, I get that thought process because cops are, you know...

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But he's not saying that to argue against cops beating people up.

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I know.

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That's an important distinction.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Yeah.

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So, I guess that means that this guy wasn't the real shooter or something, but now Alex

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argues that there were a bunch of shooters, which is something that he is kind of going

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off of.

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You know, there were firsthand accounts of people who were saying that they thought there

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were, or that they heard that there were.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But again, a lot of that is not necessarily indicative of total truth.

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I saw that in the immediate aftermath of like, it's possible that there may have been...

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And it's like, okay, everybody is saying it's possible and there's a high likelihood that

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when we get more information, it will be or it won't be, but nobody knows.

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And it's in the immediacy of a fucking tragedy like this, so much information is flying around.

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Yeah.

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Wires get crossed.

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Yeah.

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For anybody to have been like...

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Every single time there is something like this, there are suspicions of multiple shooters.

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There are people who are there on the scene who think that they might have been multiple

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shooters.

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A lot of the times that can be caused by like echoing gunshot sounds from different directions.

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And so I don't really care too much about those firsthand accounts, or at least it seems

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pointless to engage with them.

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Yeah.

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But Alex has another reason to think there was a second shooter.

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Anna Giratale is a writer for the Washington Examiner.

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She says, according to my law enforcement sources in El Paso, who gave me the apprehended

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shooter's name and age, a second suspect was killed when police responded to the Walmart

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shooting.

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Police have not disclosed this info yet.

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Mayor says otherwise, but my sources says second suspect is dead.

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That's a real tweet.

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Anna Giratale did tweet out that law enforcement source of hers had told her that a second

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suspect had been killed, but by the time Alex is on air here on Monday, she tweeted out

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a clarification based on an update she'd received.

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It turned out the police had detained a second person who was armed at the scene, but they

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released him.

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It was a case of somebody passing along bad information based on the chaos that was unfolding

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at the scene.

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This is the sort of thing that happens during every crisis and tragedy, and it's why it's

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best for people who work for legitimate outlets not to amplify unconfirmed reports.

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When they do so, it makes it easier for conspiracy theorists to weave the credibility of their

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outlet into the later conspiracies, as we see Alex doing here.

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Dead reporting and reports of people who think that there were multiple shooters on the scene

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are not evidence of anything suspicious.

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These reports are all investigated.

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It's just that in the immediate aftermath of an event like this, it's easy for misinformation

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agents to use any confusion, any slip-up to make it look like there's something more nefarious

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going on.

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In the past, I've likened it to concrete that's not yet dried.

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In the immediate period right after an event like this, Alex and his ilk can easily imprint

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their suspicions and narratives onto the story, but once the cement dries, once the actual

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information starts to come out, that becomes a whole lot harder.

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That's why Alex made his video on Saturday, on his day off about this.

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Immediacy is key, which is another big reason that he desperately needs to get back on social

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media.

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The game is way easier.

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If he was like a Jesus lizard running across concrete, yeah.

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Fair enough.

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I'm sorry, I had to come back.

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Fair enough.

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It had to come back.

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Yeah.

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You knew it.

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So Alex thinks everything's fake, and it was all a setup, and one of the ways that he tries

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to argue that here is to bring up David Hogg, one of the guys from the Parkland shooting,

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and I think that's particularly offensive because he's talking with Mike Adams, the

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guy who made hogwatch.com, and engaged in what could amount to targeted harassment of

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a child, whatever.

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So anyway, here's what Alex has to say.

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David Hogg said he was at home when the shooting happened and got there after, but then he's

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in videos.

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I'm inside.

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I'm in the closet.

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He's outside shooting.

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I mean, which David Hogg is telling the truth here?

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This is based, we talked about this before, but this is based on intentional misrepresentation

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by the right wing of a video where David Hogg says after school he came back to the school

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to shoot stuff.

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He was in the school and then went home and then came back.

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It's very simple, but because he says that he left and went back to the school in that

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clip that they can take out of context, they're able to create the appearance that his story

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is inconsistent.

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This is bullshit.

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It's been explained over and over again, yet Alex continues to use it as some sort of way

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like, everything's set up, all the media lies, and no, you're the one doing it.

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Yeah, it's pretty clear that our current strategy of, I suppose, dealing with this stuff is

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to counter it with either information or, I suppose, the left's own version of misinformation

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is ineffective.

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Yeah, it is.

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It's just not doing the job because he's still allowed to say this bullshit, so something

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needs to stop at the root before we ever even get to like, here's Snopes.

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We need Snopes to, you know.

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I think there just needs to probably be civil consequences.

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Yeah, there really does.

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This shit can't go on.

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But I don't think it should be from the government.

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I just think that people...

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I honestly think that there should maybe be a class action lawsuit of all the people that

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Alex Jones has maligned because it would probably be too difficult for like one of them to go

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through all the litigation.

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Maybe if tons of people who he's seriously maligned over the years got together, I think...

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I don't know what the answer is.

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That's probably not it either.

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But anyway, Alex, you know, he feels like he's being blamed for that El Paso shooting.

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And he has a culprit for the blame.

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Who's putting the blame on him?

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It's the SPLC.

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I'm going to go with me.

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And you can see the media saying it's Trump's fault.

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It's all gun owners' fault.

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It's QAnon's fault.

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It's my fault.

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It's Paul Joseph Watson's fault.

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The Southern Poverty Law Center that kind of writes the scripts for all this.

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You know, they ran LA and City, the Oklahoma City bombing, that even came out in federal

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lawsuits and court documents that they were controlling major white supremacist groups

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across the country.

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They came out and said, oh, look, it's QAnon and Alex Jones.

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This guy's a fan of them.

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Off of people going on his social media, taking down that he was a Democrat and adding that

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it's us.

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I mean, that right there is just bombshell information.

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This whole thing is unraveling.

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Mike Adams, incredibly quick.

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Well, we know you'll be following and covering it all.

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We will be.

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Yeah.

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Really.

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So we get back to the my life narrative there at the end, too.

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This is so essential.

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Jordan, did you know that Elohim City still exists?

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I did not know that.

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That's nuts.

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That is nuts.

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Yeah.

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Really?

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Yeah, it does.

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God damn it.

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We got it.

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Man, we got some shit to figure out, Dan.

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Elohim City was founded in 1973 by Robert Millar after he'd run a couple of evangelical

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churches and camps around the country.

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He had a smallish flock that he'd gathered and they settled in the woods in Oklahoma

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to set up their isolated utopia free from government depression and that pesky multiculturalism.

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Oh, also they were adherence to the Christian identity movement and thus they didn't feel

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like their white supremacist beliefs or actual white supremacy.

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It was just a recognition that they were white and therefore God's people.

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Yeah.

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Ah, interesting.

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This keeps coming up.

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They had a lot of connections to the Aryan nations as most right-wing separatists do.

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Four Elohim residents were members of the Aryan Republican Army who committed a string

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of 22 bank robberies between 1994 and 1995 to get money to fund white supremacist groups.

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Many believe that the 400-acre Elohim City compound provided a safe haven for ARA extremists

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to plan and train.

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The SPLC was not running Elohim City.

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They definitely had an informant there for some time, but nothing that Alex is claiming

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to have been proven has been proven.

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The SPLC was founded two years prior to Elohim City.

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So you'd kind of have to believe that it was one of their early projects that they cultivated

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for 20 years or so before the Oklahoma City bombing.

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Or I guess you could imagine that they somehow took over the compound, which is pretty unimaginable.

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Considering Robert Millar was in charge until he died in 2001, at which point his son John

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has taken over.

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It doesn't make sense that these hardline Christian identity separatists-

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Nah.

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Nah.

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Spades of spades, Dan.

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They would shoot the SPLC trying to take over.

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On sight.

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They might shoot anybody who's wearing a shirt that says SPL and they just assume that it

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has the C after it.

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Yup.

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What Alex is claiming requires evidence and he never provides it.

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This is the same sort of bullshit he tries to pull when he says that the Klan are all

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just feds.

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It's his way of taking real right-wing terror groups and entities that he's kind of has

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some ideological overlap with and then making them all fake.

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Oh sure, the Aryan Republican Army robbed a bunch of banks as part of a plan to violently

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overthrow the government and they had deep connections to this Christian identity compound.

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But that was all just the SPLC.

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None of it's real.

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Now, those Antifa contracts I found on 4chan, those are totally real and proof that Soros

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is trying to start a race war.

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To quote Alex, you see how that works?

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Ah, nicely done.

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You see how his manipulation works?

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Nicely done.

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Now Jordan, I know we're deep into this episode, but I think we're about to get our second

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wind.

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You know why?

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Because we had some bad guests so far.

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Tom Pappert, shit.

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Mike Adams, terrible.

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But I got a guest coming up for you.

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I know a few things about him.

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He's Neo.

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Oh no.

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Get out of here.

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Stop it.

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Stop it.

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He is the prophet of matrixism.

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No!

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He's not even allowed to be on this show now.

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This is, it's today.

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God damn it.

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Leo Zagami is back.

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These are the people who answer Alex's call.

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What the fuck is he doing on?

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It's unclear, but we do learn something.

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He brings up that he's about to be on the show and holy shit, we learned something big

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about him.

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That this was not a part of his backstory before.

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Okay, we got Leo Zagami, who's an expert on false flags and actually worked in the Italian

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Air Force and was involved on the edge of Operation Gladio that was a NATO plan staging

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hundreds of terror attacks, to blame it on the left, to maintain control.

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Some of our other guests were in and around Italy at the same time, like Steve Pacinik.

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So Leo Zagami again does not fail to bring the...

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It turns out not only is he the heir to the Illuminati throne, not only is he the reincarnated

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Jesus as admitted by the Vatican and the Jews, not only is he single-handedly responsible

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for 9-11, he also apparently was involved in Operation Gladio.

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Leo Zagami is so full of shit, but goddamn it, he's ambitious and I really respect him

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for that.

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According to his own bio, he was DJing in the UK and had become a fixture at a bar called

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Legends when his career was disrupted when he had to return to Italy to, quote, do an

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obligatory year of bollocks in the military.

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That was in 1987.

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So allegedly, Leo was in the military doing an obligatory year of bollocks and that somehow

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led him to get mixed up in Gladio.

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Gladio was first publicly recognized by Italian authorities in 1990.

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So Alex might be taking that to mean that it was operational until 1990, so Leo could

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have been involved in 1987.

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But this is not accurate.

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Even if you believe the widest-eyed conspiracy versions of what Gladio was about, it definitely

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was not in action as late as 1987.

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And a rave DJ doing an obligatory year of bollocks before going back to the club circuit

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would not be involved in any of the clandestine operations that were going on to begin with.

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But they weren't going on to begin with.

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He positions himself as like the Forrest Gump of stupid 100 percent.

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It is.

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He is anywhere and everywhere that's even close to a thousand percent unreal is all

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bullshit.

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Fuck him.

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But Jordan, you know what I love about this?

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I love that the only thing Alex really has to sell this narrative to his audience on

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is that Leo's Italian.

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That's all that's it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He might as well have a look in a.

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What's his name?

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Mario?

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Oh.

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Shit.

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Father Guido Sarducci.

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Guido Sarducci.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There's literally zero other proof of any of the things that Leo's saying.

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Yeah.

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That alone is enough.

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Like just him being Italian.

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Yeah.

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Jesus Christ.

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Everybody is stupid.

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If you listen to him.

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Also, as it relates to Steve Pachannik, what Alex is referring to is how Steve was involved

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in the botched hostage negotiation of kidnapped Italian Prime Minister Aldo Moro.

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It's a really insane and complicated story that I would love to get into right now, but

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we are way too deep into the show.

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And I honestly think it kind of deserves its own episode.

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So we might do that in the future.

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The tale of Steve Pachannik in Italy, which is real fucked up stuff.

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So Leo, he's Neo.

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He's Leo.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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And he's here to stay.

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The prophet of Matrixism.

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Yeah.

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So he comes in here and he has a different theory about these shootings.

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It's interesting because what you have to understand is like, even over the course of

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the last like three hours that we've been talking and listening to these clips, multiple

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different explanations have been proffered.

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But they all are sort of compatible to each other and in some form, they have literally

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every explanation that has been offered has been as far away from Occam's razor as like

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they are building a house around that very specific razor in order to be in a fucking

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box locked tight, even as the razor tries to escape and tell them the very obvious reality.

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It's fucking guns.

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Yeah.

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It's and dudes, guns and dudes and white people, toxic masculinity run amok.

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Yep.

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So those aren't the theories that are.

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So here's what they're doing, basically, as I see it.

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There is a unifying theory that is behind all of the various different theories, but

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they're throwing out a number of different things, whether it's brain control or they're

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leftists or whatever feels best is what they'll run with.

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So in the day, like the day after the next day, it's still in the sort of feeling it

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out phase a tiny bit before seeing like what we'll run with.

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And I guarantee that this is not what they're going to run with.

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What Leo Zogali brings to the table, because this is nuts.

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Last week, we had this triggering word by one of the aspiring candidates, this dark

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psychic force mentioned by Mariam Williams, Williamson, and we'll play that next segment

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since you mentioned it.

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What was she invoking there?

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Well, this is a trigger word because once you trigger with these words, the subliminally

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the agents get in action and Mariam Williams, Williamson actually published a tweet between

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her and the father of the air puzzle shooter.

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So there is a connection that ends in both of them.

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Let's just say it.

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It's a new age cult.

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People think they're getting into the new age, but really once they get into it, they're

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being programmed.

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You're getting close to slandering this father.

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So yeah, Marianne Williamson said dark psychic energy, and that was a trigger word to activate

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these shooters.

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Okay.

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You know, I know a lot about my impulses and they come from an upbringing.

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I love this type, but God damn it, if I didn't want to fucking slap Leo Zagami after I heard

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him say those words, like it's never a good idea.

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No violence and shit, but fuck, somebody needs to slap him.

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I don't know.

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That can't be done.

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I don't know.

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You can't do that.

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It's interesting.

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Yeah.

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Also that tweet between the shooter's father and Marianne Williamson was five years ago.

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So I don't know.

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I don't know how deep a connection, and it was, it was not a substantial tweet interaction.

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But who cares?

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Who cares?

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Shut the fuck up, Leo.

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So Alex asks a rhetorical question.

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Go back to the matrix.

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Matrixism.

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Where he came from, I guess.

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Is that what we're doing?

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I think so.

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He's Leo.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So Alex asks a question in this next clip that is meant to be rhetorical, but I actually

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have an answer for him.

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And then he spirals after asking this question, not coming to a good answer into just, I mean,

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his theory.

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And I have this sense of urgency.

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This sense of I'm upset at myself that there's something I need to do.

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There's something I need to say to stop this because we know more is coming.

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And we know both these guys were leftist.

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They were so sloppy.

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They didn't even cover up their social media when they said, I hate God.

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I hate Christians.

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I hate fascists.

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That means conservatives and Christians.

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I'm going to kill them and then it all gets taken down and replaced with fake stuff.

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And you go to the Wayback Machine and the Google archive, and it's really them saying,

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I'm a Satanist, hail Satan.

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And then we watch him in real time change it.

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I've now learned on both of them.

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And how huge is that?

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He's expanding this my life narrative now, but when he starts that, he's like, what can

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I say to stop this?

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Honestly, him saying that makes me want to cry.

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It does.

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For real.

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I heard him say that.

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I'm sorry.

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The answer is literally the opposite of everything you fucking say.

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The answer is probably nothing.

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Go away.

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Go away.

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Stop it.

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And he says, because we all know this is going to happen again.

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That makes me want to fucking cry.

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There's a very clear thing that he could do.

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That is come clean, admit that he's been scamming people for a very long time and it's gotten

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way out of control.

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But he's not going to do that.

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It's too deep, I guess.

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So fucking monster.

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I want to skip this next clip because it's just Leo Zagami explaining this is all about

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trying to take guns.

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He's like, the US is one of the only countries where you can have guns.

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That's not true.

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Because we got to, I'm going to skip it because we got to get to this next clip because not

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only was Leo Zagami in Gladio, we find out he was also, your Forrest Gump analogy is

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so right.

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Listen to this shit.

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And I actually infiltrated years ago the black bloc groups that were basically what Antifa

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has become.

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And those groups are very easily to both infiltrate, manipulate and buy because I mean, they are

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mostly of them are living with money that comes either from the rich parents or either

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from the state.

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So he's infiltrated black bloc.

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Man, he has got some solid improv chops there because there's no way he had that in his

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back pocket before getting on the show.

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I started rambling about Soros and Antifa.

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And then he's like, and by the way, I was in black bloc.

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Like no way do you just pull that, you know, like that's pulled from thin air.

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That's solid.

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That is solid shit.

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I'm not in favor of torture.

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So I would not do any torture, but I would love to make some sort of an arrangement where

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Leo Zagami would have to answer my questions and interview him about everything.

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Tell the truth or just answer the questions.

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Tell the truth.

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Tell the truth.

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Yeah, I was going to say, oh, I would actually see both.

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I would be fine with both.

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I would want one interview where he gets very different and one where he gets to tell the

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truth.

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I think I would prefer the one where he gets to lie because it'd be way more interesting.

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It'd be way more interesting.

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Well, actually, that's probably not true.

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If you told the truth, the stories of his early DJ days would probably be real crazy.

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Well, I bet he doesn't remember much.

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I bet he does.

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You think so?

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He's pretty lucid.

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And he said he was known as a, I mean, just of those days, he said he was known as a guy

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who was partying all the time.

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Not all drugs ruin your memory.

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That's fair.

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That's fair.

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So Alex makes a, we're coming to the end here and in these last few clips, I think you see

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where Alex, sort of the old Alex, not like old old Alex, but the Alex you're used to

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in 2019 shows up.

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He starts making panicky predictions.

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He gets really extreme and then he ends the show with outright narcissism.

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Here's the first clip where he makes his insane prediction.

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And keep in mind, he still throughout this episode, both of these episodes, is trying

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to defend himself by laying, I just question, we just question the events.

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Keep in mind, this is not questioning.

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This is making a prediction.

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We now know this is happening.

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That's the Rubicon we've passed.

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They intend to remove populist and Trump.

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They're committed now and they're really going to try it.

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And when they finally try to remove Trump and the rest of his support, they're going

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to shut the internet off.

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So I think that's why we're all so freaked out.

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This is it.

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This is it, folks.

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They're going to go for it right now.

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They're going to go for it.

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That's not questioning things.

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That's becoming, they're going to go for it.

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That's the product of all the narratives that you've created over the course of the last

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two days.

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This is the, now I am experiencing the narratives that I have built along the way.

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This is the natural end result of that.

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If the, if all of this other stuff that I've said over the course of these episodes is

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true, then the globalists are making their move, which, I mean, we hear that all the

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fucking time, but because of the severity of the real world situation, it becomes so

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much worse.

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Like he's using real tragedy to say a standard talking point of his.

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That's what it all leads to is just the same shit.

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Yeah.

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That's really offensive.

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Going over the past two days of his show, I, it's almost like watching a man convince

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himself he's not a bad dude.

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He's okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's like, cause it seems like he's, this entire thing is him creating all of these

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narratives and all and other people adding in narratives on top of that, all of which

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is to distract himself from the fact that he's a fucking murderer.

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You know, well, if you think that, uh, you might not be thrilled to hear, uh, as this

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episode wraps up, he seems to be pretty, he almost seems to be expanding who he'd like

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to see targeted, uh, by, uh, by folks, Democrats this year, they love this kind of things and

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they lie at the lab, uh, Satan is because of course they are all prevalent to the taste

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that they're not necessarily Satan is that they are saying is that without knowing it

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because anybody who is an artist is actually a Satanist and that's a big problem that we're

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going to have in the future.

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We're going to end up probably with the war of believers against Satan is that this is

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the right.

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Let's talk about that coming war with the Satanists because it's here, this is a war

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against Satan.

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It's God versus the devil.

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It's all there's ever been, all there will ever be.

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Stay with us.

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So I mean, he's calling for a holy war that he says is already here and it's a war between

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his version of Christianity, I suppose, and all Satanists to include atheists who are

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Satanists but don't know they're atheists.

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Also Christians who don't believe what glitter bug Christians who are actually worshiping

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the left Satanists that you, Hillary Clinton is literally a demon.

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Yeah, I'm sure you lumps Islam in there too.

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Oh, for sure.

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It's just a battle between his Christian identity veering beliefs against everybody.

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This is apocalyptic nonsense and it's fucking dangerous.

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Yeah.

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I don't want to get into a war because the right wing terrorists committed an act of

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terrorism and then blamed it on the left and used it to justify.

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Calling for a holy war?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't like that.

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It's unfair at least.

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At least it seems like an escalation.

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Yeah.

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It seems uncalled for.

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Yeah.

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So we have this last clip here and it starts with what I would describe as kind of an evangelical

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plea like sort of a, you know, we need to get right with God, which is what you expect.

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It's super weird that a lot of people don't understand this and we don't maybe make enough

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of a point of it that so often the show does just turn into like God.

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Yeah.

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It becomes like a weird religious show.

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Televangelism.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But it very quickly veers off course into what I would describe as Alex almost defining

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himself as what you need to find.

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And they are planning a bloody revolution here.

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They're planning massive censorship across the country and the world.

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This is a time to be praying to Christ for justice and for freedom and that God's spirit

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come into you and lead God and direct you.

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But it's also time to be politically and culturally active and it's time to spread the word about

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info wars.com and newswars.com and override the AI sensors to override their systems and

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to let people know, Hey, here's the name that must not be spoken.

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Here's what the world fears.

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Here's the guest and the information and the history and the analysis that is the cure

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to the globalist poison.

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There's a sense there that's almost like it starts with him saying, you've got to go get

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God, but also there's a ramping up as like, you've got to get people to come to me.

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I am the only answer to the globalist poison.

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I am the cure.

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That is a insane level of messianic narcissism that's coming on the heels of him talking

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with Leo Zagami about having a holy war.

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And in the context of all of this stuff, it's just, this is insanity.

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This whole thing is insane.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I've been writing this thing, so I've been doing a bunch of research into all kinds of

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different stuff.

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And it led me into rereading the new Testament actually earlier today.

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And if there is anyone who is going to hell, according to Jesus's rules, Alex is boom.

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Top of the list.

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He's in trouble.

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Even in that clip, he's nailed like half the beatitudes.

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Like he's gone with the sermon on the Mount.

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Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

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Well, that's just for glitterbug churches, Jesus's new covenant is going to fuck him

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up.

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Yeah.

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He's fucked.

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So throw that on top of there.

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Oh boy.

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Yeah.

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I committed adultery.

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Throw that in there.

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Yeah.

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He's in trouble.

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Fucking, he is fucked.

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I mean, we come to the end here and it's been long.

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I'm exhausted.

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And I...

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Emotionally and physically.

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Yeah.

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I look at this and I think it's kind of weird that we didn't talk that much about the shootings

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themselves or anything.

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And I...

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I don't think that's weird at all.

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I think that makes perfect sense.

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I don't know if it's weird or not, but I went where Alex led me and that's kind of where

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we are.

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Why would Alex want to go anywhere near the reality of the shootings?

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Why would he want to go anywhere near that?

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Because you cannot learn anything about those shootings and not go, oh fuck, we've got a

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real problem.

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The details of these shootings point to many, many problems, but the shootings themselves

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are part of the problem of guns.

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That's part of it.

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We should absolutely be talking about white supremacist terrorism, which is rampant.

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We should be talking about misogynist dudes who are legion, but man, they wouldn't be

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able to kill all these people if they didn't have fucking automatic rifles.

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That's true.

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If they didn't have all these fucking guns.

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Maybe there's a better conversation than I can have on the best gun control measures,

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but they sure as fuck wouldn't have walked into a Walmart and killed all these people

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if they didn't have a fucking rifle.

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It's true.

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And there's a hundred other problems that we're facing in this country, and I don't

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mean to give short shrift to any of them by focusing on this, but it's what Alex is talking

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about on these two days.

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Anyway, we'll be back on Friday.

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Indeed we will.

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Something less this.

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Oh, God, please less this.

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Yeah, too much.

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I'm tired.

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Yeah.

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I can only imagine.

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We'll be back, but we have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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It is.

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You could also just scour the internet for different things that have both knowledge

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and fight in them.

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Generally speaking, we keep episodes of our show in the DG connection because you rarely

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see the EDGE connection, you know, so we keep them in between the D and the G.

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Cool.

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Put a little line in there and you'll get it.

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I don't feel like our outro is particularly appropriate for this episode, so I will end

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by saying I am the Jesus lizard.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first name caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Thank you so much for being with us today and we'll see you in the next one.