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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes,

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like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are,

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Dan. Jordan. Dan! What's up? Have you ever had heat stroke? Um, maybe. Maybe? Maybe. I don't know,

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not to the point where it's ever been diagnosed or anything. Like you've never passed out or

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anything like that? I don't think so. One time I got sun poisoning on a float trip. Sun poisoning?

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Yeah, yeah. What is that? It's like a... It's like too much vitamin D or something? It's like a

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really bad version of sunburn. It's much worse. And it is a real thing. I only point that out

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because my friends, when I said that I went to the doctor and they told me that it's sun poisoning,

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they were like, that's not real, you're just making this shit up. But it's for like nothing

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I've ever experienced, because it was all over my body. Is it like a skin, like it's all red

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skin? Or... Like needles coming up through my skin at all times. Like it was to the point where I was

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almost crying. No shit. Pretty constantly. And also I was like taking cold baths. Yeah. Just

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to like not, like just to fight back in the way that I felt made sense. Right, right. And they

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were like, that's a terrible idea. It relieved some of the pain. Yeah. And then I would get out

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of the bath and I would lay in bed on my stomach, biting the corner of my mattress. Goddamn! It was

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brutal. That sucks. Yeah, it was so terrible. But it was my own fault too. That's what made it worse.

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Well, right, right. So I went on a float trip and I was just drunk by the time we started floating.

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Right. I was just telling people, like put on sunscreen, Dan, I'm like, fuck sunscreen!

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It was just like, I was like 20, 22 years old and just fucking stupid. Yeah. You were, you were

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back to the point where it's almost like you were trying to hurt yourself. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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It was, if I recall correctly, I believe this was the same year that I got a MySpace temporary

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tattoo. I found, we stopped at a gas station that had temporary tattoos and one of them was just

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MySpace. It's like, put it on my arm. Now that should have been a permanent tattoo because it'll

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never go out of style. I put it on my arm and as we were floating down the river, it was my big bit

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that every time we passed somebody else, I'd point at my tattoo and be like, you on MySpace?

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I'm dying. Anyways, you on MySpace?

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Didn't start, the sun poisoning didn't start hurting until like, you know, when I got back.

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Yeah. But yeah, it was one of the worst, I think I actually ended up having to drop out of a college

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class because of that. Jesus! It was a summer school class and I ended up missing like three

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days because it's like really condensed, the summer school schedule. I remember going and

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talking to the professor and he's like, I don't really care. Yeah, well, fair. Oh, okay. Well,

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I got to drop. Well, see you in hell then. It's like, I don't know about heat stroke,

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but that's the time that the sun has hurt me the most. That's the worst thing I can think of.

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That's amazing. I've never even considered that as a possibility, but that's because I hate the

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out of doors. The message is if you go on a float trip, wear some fucking sunscreen. Don't be like

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me back when I was a dumb fuck kid. So stupid. Yeah. Anyway, this is a podcast where I know a

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lot about sun poisoning and Alex Jones. And I really don't know much about either.

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Ah, that's why I must educate you. Yes, thank you.

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Today we got a really interesting in-depth episode to go over. I think there's some really

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important stuff that we will touch on and go over today. But before we get to any of that,

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I believe that we would be wise to spend a little time saying thank you to some of the

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Final Fantasy, man. Is it?

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Moogle, yeah. Okay. It's one of those things where I'm sure some of these names are references

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to things that I don't know what they are, and I'm glad it's Final Fantasy, because anyone

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could probably slip through something that I just assume is a crazy name.

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Oh, that's Nazi propaganda. Oh, that's a member of the Third Reich.

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appreciate that very much. So, Taylor, thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

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all right? Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why you pimps so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you.

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shout outs at the end of this episode. Stay tuned for that.

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Stick around for that, yeah.

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Jordan, today what we're doing is we're going over some 2013 stuff and we're going over the

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time span of February 27th to March 10th. Spoiler alert, Alex goes on vacation for a

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large chunk of his time. He's only in studio on the 27th and the 28th and then comes back

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on the 10th. He has Mike Adams, one of his dumb employees, Aaron Dykes fills in as a host.

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He just gets guest hosts to fill in. Honestly, I believe that even the surrounding time,

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he's on vacation in his head. On the 27th and 28th, there's really not a whole lot to go over.

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When he comes back on the 10th, there's nothing that I saw fit to pull as like,

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oh, this will make for an interesting episode. Really?

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There's just nothing. He's checked out. He knows that he needs to go on vacation and he

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knows that he's going to be gone for a nice week. Fuck it. He has senioritis.

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I was about to say senioritis. This is too weird. We got to stop doing this.

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You and I talk too much. Show's over, guys. So there's really not much to go over. It's a really

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desolate period where there's not like, you know, we go back to the 2013 and we're tracking this

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in order to try and have a better understanding of how he covered Sandy Hook in particular.

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We're seeing a lot of trends that are clearly related to the phenomenon that's happening in

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the conspiracy world around Sandy Hook. The popularity of the conspiracy videos about it,

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the truther in quotes videos about it, the way Alex has started covering all of these shootings

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with rank suspicion, the way he's trying to glom into that market. We're definitely seeing

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those things, but in terms of anything that relates to anything, nothing during this stretch.

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I think about, because sometimes when we're doing the 2013 episodes, I'm almost like,

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oh, that's right. We're talking about Sandy Hook because these are so often unrelated, but it is

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interesting to think about what's bubbling around Alex Jones during this time period. He may be

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talking about something random and weird, but all the while in the background on YouTube, there's

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new Sandy Hook truther conspiracy videos coming out.

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Oh yeah. By this point, like February and March, it's all pretty, it's bubbling up for sure.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those communities. And there is almost like,

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I would assume on some level within the ranks of InfoWars, there's probably some people who are

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thinking like, why aren't we more on board? Yeah, for sure.

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And you know what the other thing that I'm thinking about that I think is a failure of

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whatever we can do as an investigation is that we're not covering InfoWars nightly news.

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Okay. Where Alex's cohorts are

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doing their reports. People like Rob Dew and David Knight who worked there at the time,

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I believe Ja'Carri Jackson's doing the nightly news too at this point.

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They might be covering Sandy Hook shit more. Right.

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And it hasn't made it to Alex's varsity show as much. It does come up and he does definitely

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think the globalists did it at the very least. Well, of course.

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It's a false flag to him at least. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But it is interesting to see the slow play for sure. And there's just nothing going on.

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So the only thing that I really feel like is worth talking about comes up on February 28th.

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Right before he leaves for vacation, Alex is in a terrible, terrible mood.

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And it's because of a bill that he has caught wind of.

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Murdering little kids isn't extreme. Me getting upset. It's extreme. Me getting

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freaked out by the legislation that Melissa Melton brought me this morning. And I went

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and looked it up at Senator's in Texas for forced inoculations. Every child care worker.

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If you work at a Mr. Gaddy's and kids are around, you got to take shots. If you work at the

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YMCA, you got to take shots. I mean, just the end of everything.

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So we got this bill. There's actually two bills that Alex is responding to here that

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he has just been brought by his crack reporter, Melissa Melton, this morning.

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He's completely losing his mind. These are two bills in the Texas Senate, SB 63 and SB 64.

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SB 63 allowed some children to consent to receiving vaccines without parental permission.

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However, the word some is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence.

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According to Texas's pre-existing family codes, there are a ton of instances where a child can

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consent to their own health care decisions, regardless of what their parents say. For

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instance, since at least 1995, a child can make their own medical decisions in cases where the

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child is pregnant or if abuse is suspected or if the child is seeking treatment related to drug

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addiction. There are plenty of instances where the state rightly realizes that demanding parental

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consent for treatment would put a child's life at risk. So that level of consent is not required.

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Right. All SB 63 did was amend the already existing instances of when a child could

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consent to their own health care with specific language around vaccination. All this did, SB 63,

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was to make it explicit that a child can control their own vaccination decisions in a case when a

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child is pregnant or has a child of their own. That's all it did. And it's really crazy because

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in all of Alex's coverage of this, while he's freaking out and screaming about it, I didn't

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hear him bring up any of that stuff. It's just him rambling about how the government's trying

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to kill everyone. And then for SB 64, this is really just an amending of Texas's human

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resource code to say that people who work in licensed child care facilities need to be

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immunized for vaccine-preventable diseases, which I think makes pretty good sense.

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No, that makes all the sense. And it would be infuriating. Last night while I was working

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at the Zaneys, somebody was an anti-vaxxer and I went ballistic in the crowd. And I just went

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ballistic on that. You really never know these days, just touring comics. You never know what

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they're going to pull out. Oh man, the headliner is, he was giving me some like, white identity

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is what's under attack. And I'm like, I gotta get the fuck out of here! Wrong host to try and spit

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that to. So anyway, this was just about that, about amending the code slightly. Alex would

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say that that's pretty discriminatory against people who just don't want to get vaccines or

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whatever. Yeah, I'm fine with discriminating against people who don't want to get vaccines.

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Well, here's the problem. This amendment, SB 64, explicitly says that their policy will quote,

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include procedures for facility employees to be exempt from required vaccines. It goes on to say

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that it'll formulate guidelines, quote, for a facility employee who is exempt from required

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vaccines, include procedures the employee must follow to protect children under the facility's

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care from exposure to disease, such as the use of protective medical equipment, including gloves and

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masks, based on the level of risk the employee presents to children by the employee's routine

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and direct exposure to children. They have a paragraph about how they need to, quote,

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prohibit discrimination or retaliatory action against a facility employee who is exempt from

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the required vaccines. For something that's allegedly supposed to be about forcing everyone

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to get shots, it seems like SB 64 is going out of its way to accommodate people who are exempt

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from getting shots. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. I respect that. I do. But at the same time,

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maybe don't go that hard trying to be as accommodating towards that. Well, but if you

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are being accommodating at all, then you have to go really far because you have to set in place

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the guidelines in order to accommodate the people who are, like, you need to, if you're going an

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inch, you got to go a mile. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And I don't think that's necessarily a bad

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thing because like some of the people who would be exempt from the vaccination requirements would be

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people who physically can't get vaccines. And you do have to accommodate those people. And I think

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it's appropriate and right to do that. Of course. But SB 64 explicitly lays out that they're also

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talking about people who are, quote, exempt from taking required vaccines based on reasons of

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conscience, including a religious belief. That bill is not forcing anyone to get shots. It's

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clearly about harm reduction and protecting the health of children. It goes out of its way to

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respect the political and religious beliefs that lead people to argue that they don't

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need to get shots. Yeah. So now for some comedy. Alex explicitly says that Melissa Melton, one of

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his reporters, brought him that story that morning. This is February 28th, 2013. And that's why he's

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in such a fucked up mood on this show. And trust me, he is. He is not great on air. Both of those

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bills were introduced into the Texas Senate on November 12th, 2012. It's been a quarter of a

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year since those bills were introduced. And somehow his crack staff had just now figured

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out about them. These people are the tip of the spear, tireless researchers, tip of the spear,

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tireless. They are the vanguard in the fight against bills from six months ago. Now, just

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to be super clear about this and really illustrate my point, here is Alex Jones saying that SB 63 was

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introduced this week, this last week, which indicates to me that he either is very comfortable

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making shit up that he doesn't know was introduced in November 2012, or he's totally fine lying about

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it. It has to be one of the two. So I need to settle down. I was very calm today until I saw,

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which they say has a good chance of passing, just introduced last week.

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We've got SB number 63 and SB number 64.

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So there you go. I mean, he's just a liar or an idiot who's fine making things up.

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Yeah.

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There's no two ways about it.

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Or Melissa told him. I mean, I'm going to go out of my way to give him the benefit of the doubt,

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but maybe Melissa did a shitty job and she just wanted to cover it up.

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So she just told him. And he would believe it.

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Yeah. Third possibility is just laziness to the point of accepting other people's made up shit.

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Yeah.

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So, okay. One of those three things, they're all bad.

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Yeah. I don't know why.

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You're not going to shake me from that.

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I don't know why that was a defense.

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Yeah. So I listened to tons and tons of Alex in order to know what's going on through this

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stretch of February 27th to March 10th, excuse me. And that's it in terms of the stuff that I

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think deserves coverage on our show. That's not a lot.

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That's rough.

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That is not a lot.

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So these episodes are really boring and co-hosts and stuff are not really worthwhile.

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And thankfully, it's one of these things like Alex is a giver. You know what I mean?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Like I often find whenever there are really bad stretches of his show where there's not

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a lot of content going on, oftentimes if you pay close attention, you'll find something

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that merits discussion. And there is one such thing that happens during the February 27th,

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2013 episode that sent me on a very interesting crusade that I believe opens up a really

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terrifying glimpse into potential things that Alex Jones believes and offers context to

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some of the things that we've talked about for quite a while that I'm troubled by.

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So here is that clip from the February 27th episode.

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And the Bible says if we get biblical, that there'll also be remnant areas and protected

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areas. And I believe Texas is going to be one of those areas. I mean,

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Pastor David J. Smith, you know, said praying to God like 30 years ago, he was told,

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move to Texas. This is all going to happen. And it was I mean, the point is, is that you've got

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to know that there's not all doom. We need to stand against this regardless. Maybe get a reprieve

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like Nineveh got for a hundred years. We don't know.

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So it's fascinating. He always talks about Nineveh like that's that's so big in his.

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He's constantly around the 2016 election. He always talked about how, like, you know,

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Trump getting in isn't going to create a utopia, but it'll give us a reprieve like Nineveh.

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Right. So that's interesting.

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Great.

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It's so consistent that he's always just buying time.

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Yeah. You know, it's an effort.

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Yeah, that is an interesting way of looking at it.

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And it's the same thing we heard on I don't remember if it was the last episode of the

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one before it where he's talking about his dog, where he, you know, he got all that pain.

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Yeah, he got a couple of years just to, yeah.

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He gave that dog a reprieve like Nineveh, but it died anyway.

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Well, of course, like Nineveh.

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Anyway, I think he has probably some weird ideas about what's worth

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artificially continuing.

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Yeah.

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And what's not. But anyway, that's not the issue.

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I've always found it really interesting when Alex gets specific about what sorts of religious

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figures he thinks positively of, you know, like he talks really negatively about a lot of folks,

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like he hates the Glitterbug churches, the the I believe he's been pretty consistently negative

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about, like prosperity gospel folk. And the mainstream Christianity is an enemy to him.

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He always talks about how the church is infiltrated. But I've really never found

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that he generally, he generally doesn't talk too specifically about what sorts of religious

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influences he thinks are good.

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Right. Has he ever told us like, oh, I go to this church?

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No.

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Right.

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I think that would be unsafe for the church, for himself.

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For everybody. For Jesus.

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Yeah, no, I don't I don't I don't believe he goes to church, frankly. I don't know.

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It seems weird to me to say that maybe it's inappropriate because, you know,

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that's that's a person's private life. It's weird for me to make an assumption about it,

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but I would be fairly surprised. I mean, he does his show on Sunday.

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Yeah, I was just about to say he does a Sunday show.

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Yeah. We know basically that he thinks demons walk among us, that he's in a literal battle

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with a literal devil, and that the rapture is happening after the tribulation.

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Post-trib!

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Afterwards. But then that conveniently allows him to blend these ideas of religious piety and

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righteous trench warfare, the fantasies that he has about that, into one. The post-trib rapture

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allows that. It's great. This clip that we just heard is part of an interview with a woman named

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Catherine Albrecht. It's supposed to be about the RFID chips that are going to be put in everybody,

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but it quickly descends into how these RFID chips are the literal biblical mark of the beast.

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Sure.

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And from there, it's just a hop, skip, and a jump for them to turn the show into outright

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televangelism. Everybody's got to get right with God. Crazy.

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I've never heard anybody in Christian faith tell me that the literal mark of the beast was coming.

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No.

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Never heard that one before.

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Yeah. In the middle of this, Alex and Catherine express that the end times are probably

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inevitable, and that they're just going to have to survive them. And Alex there says that Texas

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is going to be important in that, and he cites David J. Smith as a figure who agrees with him.

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The rest of their interview is boring, so I decided to check into who this pastor was

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that Alex was referencing. And my gut told me it would lead me somewhere weird.

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Now, one thing that's important to point out is that David J. Smith is a very obscure figure

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to people like you and me.

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And the world.

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Right.

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Hopefully.

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His name is one that only a very specific sort of person would bring up in conversation,

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particularly in a positive way, as someone whose opinion you should take seriously.

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In 1980, David Smith founded the Church of God Evangelistic Association after he broke

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away from the Worldwide Church of God. The Worldwide Church of God, in turn, was founded

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by Herbert Armstrong in 1931 under the name the Radio Church of God.

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Ooh, no. Bad. Pass.

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From that name? I think you might be guessing, but this church might have been like a performative

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church.

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Yeah. Pass. Pass.

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Maybe an early televangelism hustle.

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Hard pass.

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Possibly. So, Armstrong's career was characterized by doomsday predictions that routinely failed to

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materialize. He had a pretty good run, and when it was all over, his influence would be pretty

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substantial, possibly not in the way he intended it to be, but by the mid to late 1970s, things

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were not going great for his church. Armstrong's son was trying to start a splinter group,

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and he'd been excommunicated from the group. Armstrong's wife had passed away, and he'd

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remarried a woman half a century younger than him. Accusations of malfeasance were flying

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around him all over the place, so it only makes sense that an enterprising member of

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that group would see it as the right time to start their own thing, and that's exactly

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what David J. Smith did.

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So, when Smith started his Church of God Evangelistic Association, he didn't stray too far from some

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of the basic tenets of Armstrong's theology, and one of the central beliefs that he retained

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was Armstrong's teachings about British Israelism, which might strike you as a foreign concept.

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No. No, no, no, because of course I would put together Israel and Britain. Those two

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things seem so closely related to me in my theological history.

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I guess you can kind of guess what it is from those two words, sort of.

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White Jews. White people are the white people.

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You're not far off. The subject of British Israelism is a really complicated thing, and

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it means a bunch of different things in different contexts, so it's important for me to be pretty

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clear about what we're talking about as we go through this. At its core, British Israelism,

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or Anglo-Israelism, is the belief that white Anglo-Saxons, primarily those of Western European

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heritage, are the direct descendants of the ten lost tribes of Israel.

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That makes perfect sense to me.

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Check.

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Yep. I believe that now.

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Proponents of the theory point to Bible stories about Jacob, later to be renamed Israel, who

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had twelve sons, each of whom gave birth to their own tribes, the twelve tribes of Israel.

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When Solomon died, only two of these tribes, those of Judah and Benjamin, would accept

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the rule of Solomon's son, Rehoboam. Rehoboam was a shitty and cruel leader, and his ascent

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to the throne would result in what amounted to a civil war. These two tribes that sided

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with him became the Southern Kingdom, or the Kingdom of Judah, and the ten other tribes

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were the Northern Kingdom, or the Kingdom of Israel. In the 720s BCE, the Assyrians

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invaded and sent all those tribes in the Southern Kingdom into exile, and as the story goes,

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the ten tribes became lost.

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However, archaeology, anthropology, and historical records do not agree with this simplistic

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and clear-cut version of these tribes just getting lost to history. Many members of these

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tribes fled back to the Southern Kingdom and reabsorbed into that population. Others were

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taken back to Assyria and Medea, where they were assimilated into those cultures.

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Yeah, that makes sense. It's not like it was a Walmart and they just got lost in there,

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never to be seen from again.

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Yeah. In 586 BCE, Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon attacked the Southern Kingdom and the population

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was exiled.

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Shout out to Nebi.

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This population of the Southern Kingdom, Judah, was by that point constituted of the two tribes

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who stayed loyal to Rehoboam, as well as many of the members of the Northern Kingdom who

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had fled south 140 years prior, who had integrated by that point.

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Right, of course.

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By the time the exiled Israelites returned to Jerusalem to rebuild the kingdom, their

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identity was largely unified. The people are real, the struggles are real, the heritage

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is real, but the idea that these tribes got lost is seen by most scholars as more myth

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than history. The consensus opinion is that between the Assyrian invasion of the Northern

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Kingdom and the Babylonian invasion of the Southern Kingdom, most of the members of these

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tribes had become integrated into the larger identity of the Kingdom of Judah, or into

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the places where they had ended up, like Assyria.

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Yeah. Well, as a national history, it makes sense to put that myth together because that

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way you almost immediately remove the tribal identity of those, quote, lost tribes, you

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know?

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Right.

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If you are in one of those lost tribes and you came back, you're no longer in that lost

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tribe, you're in ours. So you create the myth that they're lost as opposed to like, they

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got, they came back or they got kicked out or, you know, Assyria took them, that kind

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of thing, in order to strengthen your own national identity.

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So flash forward to more modern days. For centuries, legends about the lost tribes had

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been very popular. One of the often repeated myths said that the tribes were, quote, in

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a region situated beyond the miraculous and impassable river of Semation, who flows for

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six days of the week and stops on Shabbat when the 10 tribes are forbidden to travel.

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Poetic explanations abounded for why no one had found the tribes, even though people were

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looking really hard for them.

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So hard.

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So it's like that. Isn't that just like a really fun thing? Like the idea of there's

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this magical river that stops only on the time when they can't cross it.

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Yeah, it's Atlantis. It's fucking a Brigadoon.

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All right. I like that, though. I enjoy that image in my head. It's a fun image.

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Then in 1590, a book called The Ten Lost Tribes was published. The book gave the first

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voice to the theory that groups like the Celts, the Germans, the Scandinavians, they

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were in fact the tribes of Israel that had gotten lost. While the theory didn't go

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mega-viral, it did gain a little bit of traction early on, and here's where one of the most

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important distinctions comes into play.

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In the 1600s, as this idea began to spread a little bit in Britain, it was not explicitly

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anti-Semitic. The proponents of this theory believed that the people who were Jewish were

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the descendants of the tribes of Judah and that the white Anglo-Saxons were the ten

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tribes that got lost, so they were all Israelites.

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It could definitely be described as co-opting, but at that point in history, the ideas were

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not being spread to deny Jewish people their heritage or to demonize them. There were plenty

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of other problems with the theory back then, which we'll get into later, but anti-Semitism

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was not one of them.

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So it was just kind of one of those, like, why is it, it's almost fitting together why

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we believe in our version of Christianity with why are we completely different people?

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So you kind of say, well, now we're also Jews, so that makes more sense in that context?

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There's probably a little piece of it that's that, but I think that there's a much larger

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reason, which we'll get into later.

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Okay.

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I think there's some timing issues.

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All right.

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So these notions existed in small pockets for a long time, finally reaching their peak

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in the late 1800s and into the early 1900s. In the early 1900s, as these theories began

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to take hold in the United States, that is the point where things got ugly. Here's the

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final caveat I will give on the matter. There are apparently still some churches that exist

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that believe in British Israelism that don't hate Jewish people, but they are the exception,

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not the rule.

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Yeah.

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In the 1920s in the United States, British Israel beliefs were co-opted by outright

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bigots and anti-Semites. And ever since that point, the ideas have been almost their exclusive

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domain. The group Christian Identity traces their roots to British Israelism. The identity

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that they base their worldview on is the belief that the white race's true identity is the

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lost tribes of Israel. Christian Identity is a loosely organized, theologically entwined,

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overtly white supremacist terrorist party. It wouldn't be right to call them a group

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since they have a penchant for decentralization, and they follow the leaderless resistance

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model popularized by Louis Beam, who was an adherent of Christian Identity.

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God damn it.

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Christian Identity's fingerprints are all over the history of the people behind right-wing

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terrorism and hate groups since the 1950s. Their path intersects with the Klan, the Aryan

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Nations, the militia movement of the 90s, the American Nazi Party, and its founder George

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Lincoln Rockwell.

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The key difference between British Israelism in the 1600s in Britain and the 1900s in America

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is that whereas the prior believed that Jews were also descendants of Israel, the latter

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did not. As the British Israelism beliefs became co-opted by the Christian Identity

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movement, the narrative changed. No longer was the theory just that white people were

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also Israelites, it was now that they were the only true Israelites, and that a vast

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majority of the people who think they're Jewish are imposters.

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Okay, well, stop that, all of you. All of you? What? No! That's insane!

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It's wild stuff. But it underpins a ton of these right-wing movements. It's insidious

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and it's very difficult to track how many people or what people are into, because no

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one's like, hey, I'm a Christian Identity preacher, or at least most don't. But their

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ideas can be very clearly traced a lot of the time, and that's one of the things that

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is really murky and really hard about this world.

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It's amazing to me how far these people go to justify their bigotry. It all starts from

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you think white people are the best, and then you have to create these fantastical situations

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where you're like, no, it's okay, I think white people are the best.

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I think a lot of it can be traced to the idea of wanting to retain a self-image of being

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Christian and upholding Christian ideas.

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While at the same time hating people, even though Christ would be against them.

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Finding a way to rationalize and hold those two positions simultaneously, I think, is

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a large part of people who buy into the...

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It's so true.

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Well, but it also is much easier than maybe giving up whatever security you feel in your

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supremacy here.

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Yeah, that's true.

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I don't know. Anyway, some Christian Identity folks swing for the fences and argue that

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Jews are literally descended from the devil.

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Okay.

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But the more mainline position is that the Anglo-Saxons, as the tribes that got lost,

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carry out the pure bloodline. The descendants of the tribe of Judah, though they believe

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that they're Israelites.

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Their ancestors were actually a population of Turks who converted to Judaism as part

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of an elaborate plan aimed at taking out the true Israelites.

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Oh, boy.

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I can already hear you asking, Jordan, what do these Turkish people have against the Anglo-Saxons?

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What is it that they want?

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I wasn't gonna ask that.

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The answer...

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Podcast over.

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The answer goes back to Genesis 25 and the story of Jacob and Esau.

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Esau was Isaac's firstborn son, and as such he was entitled to a larger share of the inheritance

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and all the rights of lineage that come along with being recognized as the firstborn.

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The name for this in the Bible is birthright.

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Genesis 25 tells the story of Esau returning home very hungry from work and asking Jacob

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for some stew.

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Jacob offers him food if Esau will give him his birthright.

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Esau agrees and the birthright is transferred to Jacob.

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Esau later marries women that Isaac forbade him to marry and then Jacob still has to pretend

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to be Esau in order to be bestowed with Isaac's birthright blessing.

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But the point is that Esau was the firstborn and ultimately the birthright went to Jacob

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and this pissed off Esau.

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Right.

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Well, Jacob just put his...

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Well, it was his mom, I believe.

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Made him dress up like...

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Yeah, Esau had hairy arms, so he lost his birthright.

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That's the score?

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No, no, no, Jacob made his arms hairy.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm not entirely sure how common a belief it is among the British Israel folks, but

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I can tell you with certainty that the version of British Israelism that David J. Smith preaches

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specifically believes that the Turks who decided to pass themselves off as Jews did so because

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they're descendants of Esau and they've been carrying out a centuries-long con to reclaim

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the birthright that was handed down from Jacob to the Anglo-Saxons.

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God, that's so much work to believe that.

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That's exhausting to me.

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The idea of like, oh yeah, that makes sense, seems like you have to spend so much time

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like diagramming the reasons that they would do this shit.

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Right.

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Like maybe it's just not true and everybody's cool, man.

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Try that one.

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Pastor David J. Smith, I imagine, would refuse the label of Christian identity and from all

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his sermons I've listened to, I get a strong sense that he doesn't think he's a white supremacist.

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And I disrespectfully disagree with that assessment.

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I believe him to be as outright a white supremacist and anti-Semite as I've ever come across doing

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this podcast.

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Oh shit.

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I felt it was important to walk through some of that differentiation between British Israelism

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and what it's become because David Smith would admit that he believes in British Israelism.

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But in reality, taking on the merits of his beliefs, he is far closer to being a Christian

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identity preacher than he is to being one of the pro-Jewish eccentrics espousing British

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Israel ideas back in the 1600s.

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So that's some of the history of these ideas a little bit.

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White people fucking up.

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Put simply, Herbert Armstrong was one of the largest proponents of the British Israelism

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theory in America long after the point it was very discredited and long after the idea

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had taken hold as a large piece of white supremacist rhetoric in the United States.

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Herbert Armstrong, whose worldwide Church of God, which is where David J. Smith came

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from, that original church didn't start until 1931.

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In the 1920s is when the Christian identity movement started to co-opt British Israelism.

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So the idea that this is all after these ideas had already become very associated with overt

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anti-Semite behavior is troubling.

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Yeah, these guys, because I remember specifically in the 1920s when -

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You remember the 1920s?

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No, fuck off.

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I'm talking about the massive amounts of anti-Semitism that were just in public discourse.

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Just normal.

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Yeah, just articles in the New York Times being like, should Jews be allowed to live

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in America and all this stuff?

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And that was one of the things where when Hitler, like when Germany was exterminating

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the Jews, he kind of thought that we would be on board.

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He thought that the United States -

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And a large section of the population was.

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Totally was, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So anytime somebody's like, we're the good guys in World War II, it's like, we were

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a hair's breadth away from being -

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Could have easily not been.

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Accessories, yeah.

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So when David J. Smith started his church in 1980, 1980 is when he started his church.

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Good time.

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This was a belief he decided to hold onto.

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So you might be able to tell a few things about him from that choice, or at least get

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some - hey, buddy, hey, buddy.

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David J. Smith did differentiate himself from Armstrong's church a little bit in that

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he added in a ton of preaching about conspiracy theories, particularly about the dangers of

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communism and the creation of a one-world government.

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Sure.

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His sermon titles from the mid-1980s through the mid-1990s read like a lexicon of Alex

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Jones' conspiracy theories.

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From November 24, 1984, quote, why the coming cashless society?

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Ooh, cashless society, that's a buzzword for Alex.

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I've heard that one.

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From February 8, 1991, quote, history of the Illuminati and New World Order.

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So that's - so, man, I kind of think church would have been more fun if my pastor was

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like, just going to talk a little bit about the Illuminati.

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OK, we're going to go through Daniel 11 times.

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I've listened to hours and hours of his sermons, and they are not fun.

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OK.

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You know what's interesting, though?

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Like, I've listened to so much of David J. Smith talk, and it really was like being

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back in church.

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Yeah.

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Because you could - like, I kept thinking, like, wrap it up.

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He's giving these hour-long sermons.

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I kept being like - I kept sitting here with my chair, like, I can almost get up.

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He's got to be - he's got to be finishing.

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He's very weird.

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You laid your head down on the back of the pew in front of you, and you just took a little

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nap, and you got that red spot on your head.

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I really wanted to find a program so I could see if he was getting close and done, hitting

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his bullet points.

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Benediction!

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BENEDICTION!

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So some other of his sermons.

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One of these - this one's from mid - sometime in the mid-1980s.

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Quote, Rapture.

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When?

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Spoiler alert.

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Post-trid.

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He's doing clickbait titles for his sermons?

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Totally.

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Post-trid.

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From 1992, quote, Bill Clinton's Bilderberg connection.

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That's a sermon.

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Did he do two Ls in Bilderberg to really hit the Bill Clinton, you know, Bilderberg?

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I don't think so.

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From 1996, quote, Gun Confiscation Accompanied by Genocide.

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Of course.

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He did a nine-part series called, quote, Dismantling America for World Government.

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These are sermons!

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Nine-part?

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Yeah, nine parts.

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So it would be nine weeks of going to church for over two months, and he's just like,

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now here is how they're gonna take apart the United States.

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That's fun.

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I haven't heard of serialized church before.

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Oh, absolutely.

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That is interesting.

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He does it a lot.

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There's, like, a five-part...

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There's another five-part one that I listened to that was so boring.

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People are looking at, like, episode four and five, and they're like, this isn't really

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good, but listen, if you stick...

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It's like The Wire.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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If you stick through the part five, yeah.

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It's worth it.

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I'm here to tell you, it's not worth it.

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He rails on the same bad guys as Alex does.

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The Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group.

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He uses the same sources as Alex does, like,

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None Dare Call It Conspiracy and W. Cleon Skousen.

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He even seems to admire a lot of the same people.

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There's so much in Alex Jones here, and a lot of his work long predates Alex ever getting

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on air.

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A ton of David J. Smith's sermons that I listened to were recorded while Alex was a pretty young

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guy.

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Like, Alex was six years old when David Smith started his church and radio ministry.

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I can't say with any certainty that a ton of Alex's ideas come from David J. Smith,

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but there's enough interesting parallels that it really makes you start to wonder.

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For instance, David J. Smith was operating out of Waxahachie, Texas in the early 1980s.

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Alex was born in 1974, and in the early 80s, he lived in Dallas, Texas, a city less than

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30 miles north of Waxahachie.

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Waxahachie, in fact, is right in between the city of Dallas and Freestone County, where

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Alex's dad owned a fair share of mineral interests.

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Just as Armstrong's ministry began as a radio televangelism operation, that was part of

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David Smith's work, too, as he ran a radio show called NewsWatch Magazine, whose short

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wave signal almost definitely reached Dallas and Freestone County.

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I'd like to take that step back.

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It definitely reached those, because short wave is designed to go long distances.

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Yeah, yeah.

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30 miles is nothing for a short wave transmitter.

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All right, so just like on a long road trip, my dad would put a Prairie Home companion

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on the radio, it's entirely possible that Alex and his dad are in the car and his dad

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just puts on...

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Or at the home.

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Or at the home.

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Fuck.

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Yeah, it's pretty wild.

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So as I was going over this stuff and looking into David J. Smith, I couldn't shake the

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feeling there was something really big here that Alex let slip by referencing David J.

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Smith as being someone who said that Texas would be safe during the...

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Right, right, right.

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Because that also makes sense.

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It's such a non sequitur, this preacher that I'd not really heard of, I hadn't really

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heard Alex talk much about, but you start to look at it and there's so many similarities.

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Yeah.

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There's a geographical connection and a couple of very specific pieces of rhetoric, but that

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doesn't seem to add up to proof that Alex is heavily influenced by this British Israelism

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preacher.

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It's not proof.

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Him referencing Smith about how Texas would be safe could just be something that Alex

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read on a blog about how great Texas is.

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You know, there's alternative explanations.

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Yeah, everybody will find a reason for Texas to be great.

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Sure, it's the best.

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Yeah.

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I needed to know more.

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So I sat down, like I said, I listened to tons of David J. Smith's radio sermons.

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I lost count of how many hours of his rambling I've listened to, but from what I've listened

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to, I find it very difficult to imagine that Alex didn't listen to this show.

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There's just far too many things that overlap, far too many little details that seem insanely

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suspicious.

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So what I've done here is I've compiled from my God knows how many hours of listening to

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this dumb ass preach a bunch of clips that I think are going to walk us through an experience

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that we can see if this is convincing to you or to the listeners that there is.

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So you're about to prove that white people are descended from the lost tribes of Israel,

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right?

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That's what you're about to tell all of us, that British Israelism is actually correct,

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right?

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You have that wrong.

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No, I've got that wrong.

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You've got that.

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I apologize if that's what you...

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What I am going to hopefully demonstrate or what I'm going to attempt to demonstrate is,

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first of all, that David J. Smith is a proto Alex Jones, that he was doing Alex's show

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before Alex was.

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And then secondarily, I would like to give people a glimpse into what sort of show Alex

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was listening to if he listened to David J. Smith's show, because it's not just New World

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Order conspiracies.

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There are other things being discussed on this show that I think would be really weird

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to imagine that Alex thinks is okay.

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Yeah.

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So the first thing I'd like to demonstrate with these clips is that David J. Smith is

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the sort of British Israelism preacher who believes that most Jews aren't Jews.

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This is a huge problem, since this distinction puts him much closer to the Christian identity

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side of things than just the British Israelism side of things.

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And I believe that that's important to nail down, because that is how I look at this David

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J. Smith, and I don't want people to think that that is undeserved.

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So here is him saying, well, basically just that.

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92% of all people on the face of the earth who claim to be Jews are not blood-related

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Jews.

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They are converts, proselytes to Judaism.

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So 92% of the Jews in the world are not Jews.

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Did he take a survey, or was there a poll?

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Like, how did he get to 92%?

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It is pretty specific, isn't it?

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It's a very specific number.

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Yeah, it is.

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It's...

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I don't know, man.

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I don't care.

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I'm just amazed whenever people make those wild claims and they just pick that number,

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92% out of the air, with nothing behind it.

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I imagine he does have something behind it.

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Does he?

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Well, I mean, something that's dumb.

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Oh, yeah, that's bullshit.

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But I bet he does.

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Yeah, it doesn't matter.

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OK.

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So David Smith believes that the current-day Jews are actually descendants of Esau, as

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I mentioned earlier.

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Sure.

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And make no mistake about it, he sees them as the villains in the story of world history.

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In this next clip, Smith explains how Eastern European Jews, who he feels are descendants

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of Esau, are responsible for many of the things that he thinks are bad in the world, including

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international communism.

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There were very few in number.

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These were the racially pure Jews who went across and converted other people, and then

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they began to break down the bloodline.

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But there is other Jews who, historically, we have to trace back and see where they came

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from.

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And if we don't, then we're not going to understand Bible prophecy.

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So I think it's vital that we do.

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Now, when you start studying the origin of the East European Jews, this becomes very

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interesting, because who was it that overthrew the Tsar in Russia?

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Oh, God, no.

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The Eastern European Jews.

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Really?

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Who was it that set up international communism?

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The Eastern European Jews.

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Really?

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Who is it trying to stamp out the United States, the British Commonwealth, all over the world,

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and to do away with Christianity today?

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Eastern European Jews.

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Excuse me, sir.

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Excuse me.

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Could you, sorry, one quick question, sir.

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Sir, do you have any evidence that this is true?

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Well, I will tell you that he does reference that he's uneducated.

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Oh, okay.

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Well, then good.

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Never mind.

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Because, you know, God tells you that you can't understand everything with your senses,

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right?

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So you need to be able to spiritually get this stuff.

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No, I feel like that's a cop-out.

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It's also a really dangerous standard of proof to accept, because then anything you

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feel might be real.

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Yeah, you know it's really bad whenever he can't even say the word Jew, period, without

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giving you the hard J.

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Like, anytime he says Jew, it's a racial slur.

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We're two clips into this, and you're already getting, I believe, the message that I was

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hoping to transmit, and that is that this dude is fucked up.

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This dude is fucked up.

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Yeah, and in case you need it spelled out a little more explicitly, here's David J.

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Smith explaining that modern-day Jews, particularly Eastern European Jews, are the descendants

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of Esau.

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So when he speaks of the House of Esau, or Esau's descendants, he specifically means

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people who are alive today who are Jewish.

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It is now Esau and his descent coming up claiming to be God's chosen people when they are not.

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And now we want to go into some scriptures and find out whether this is true or not,

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because the Jews of Eastern Europe are the ones who are behind the push for world government.

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So all of this stuff is anti-world government.

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It's working against the New World Order that he believes is being formed by international

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communism that's being pushed by Jews.

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This is a very clear...

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It's very easy to see through what's going on here.

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That is, he believes that Jews are trying to take over the world.

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Now...

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God, it is so fucking silly to me how they believe God works like a fairy godmother,

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you know?

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Like, oh, well, see, because one time one guy tricked his dad, well, then clearly all

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of these people forever are evil.

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There's an even weirder version of that coming up in one of these clips.

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That's crazy.

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Why do you believe God is of the fae folk?

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What are you guys doing?

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You can't spell fairy godmother without God, bro.

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No, damn it.

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You got me.

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So in Smith's conception, these Eastern European imposter Jewish folk, they're creating international

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communism and socialism with the explicit goal of taking back Esau's birthright that

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was given to Jacob, and then, according to Smith, carried on by the United States and

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Britain.

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And it's very interesting to me, this is just a sideline, that in Revelation 17, it talks

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about a beast that's going to rise up out of the sea, and it's called a scarlet cross.

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Scarlet colored beast.

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Scarlet is red.

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And what do we see?

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The global network today that is engulfing the world.

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It's already taken all of Asia, most of Africa, half of Europe.

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It's coming up through South America today.

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It's called international communism or the reds.

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And yet this red beast of Revelation 17 is now riding, and it's going to conquer, and

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it's going to end up being a world government.

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And it's going to be Esau trying to regain his birthright that he sold to Israel.

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What?

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That's exactly what's going on.

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That's exactly what's going on.

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How could that possibly be?

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That's exactly what's going on.

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No, that doesn't think it can't be.

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So that conception that he has just created there is explicitly making a battlefield between

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Anglo-Saxon peoples and Jews.

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That's bananas.

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Which is exactly what neo-Nazis preach to their converts.

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It's the neo-Nazi worldview that there is eternal tension between Jews and non-Jews.

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What if there just wasn't and we were all cool?

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I like that.

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I'm going to go with that one.

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Yeah.

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But it's not just that the Jews, the descendants from Esau, and not steal white people's

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birthright.

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That's not what just makes them evil.

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No.

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Also, according to Smith, Jews are also evil magicians.

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Okay.

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They literally teach you in the Kabbalah how to have demonism, how to raise up spirits,

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necromancer, witchcraft, right in their own books of the Talmud.

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How much clearer it can get.

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No wonder it says they're of the synagogue of Satan, but they claim to be Jews, God's

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chosen people, when they're not.

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They're not.

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Excuse me.

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Excuse me, pastor.

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You're doing a lot of raising your hand.

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Pastor, so could you point to the Talmud where it teaches you how to raise the Jews?

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How to raise the dead?

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There's step-by-step instructions.

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It's like the anarchist cookbook.

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Okay, cool, cool.

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Could you give me those verses or...

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Nah.

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No, you can't?

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Okay, sorry.

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But you can raise the dead if you read it.

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So that's good.

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Also, that is part and parcel of his explanation for why the Jews are to blame for their own

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like exile from places and like being run out of countries.

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They're not run out of countries.

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They were raising the dead?

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Because they're magicians.

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All right.

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When did the mummy come out?

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Is this Brendan Fraser's heyday?

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It's a nutty level of victim blaming.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah.

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There's a very blunt denial of Jewish identity that's happening throughout Smith's sermons.

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And it's very hard to imagine that a person could listen to him for any stretch of time

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and not get these messages loud and clear.

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White people are the real Israelites and God's chosen people.

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And the Jews are trying to create a world government system in order to deprive white

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people of their rightful place in the world and their birthright and also Jews do necromancy.

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See, that just doesn't make sense to me.

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It doesn't.

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It does not make sense.

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I'm going to go with the pass on that.

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Oh, also, an important distinction is that David Smith preaches that Jews know that they

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aren't really Israelites.

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What?

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They're aware of it.

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Oh, my God.

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Remember, I'm using nothing but Jewish literature itself to show they know the truth of this

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matter.

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So excuse me.

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Excuse me, Pastor.

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Excuse me, Pastor.

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Another question from the back.

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Could you point to this Jewish literature that you are discussing?

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He does reference a Jewish encyclopedia a lot.

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OK.

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So just like that, not only do you have an enemy on the world stage and an explicit

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battlefield between two forces, you have an enemy that's keenly aware of their evil

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and deceit.

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You remove the possibility that maybe Smith is the first person to discover all this stuff

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so the Jewish people don't know what they're up to and what's going on.

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No, they know what they're doing and they know that it's evil.

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That sort of thinking can only lead to one conclusion.

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And you know what?

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David Smith doesn't shy away from that natural conclusion.

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Obadiah 18 through 21.

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And the house of Jacob shall be a fire and the house of Joseph.

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That's the twin sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, a flame.

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In other words, a light and the house of Esau for stubble.

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What burns up in fire?

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Stubble.

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And they shall kindle in them and devour them and there shall not be any remaining of the

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house of Esau.

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So Esau is going to be destroyed because they hate the God of Israel and they're trying

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to take back the birthright that they forfeited.

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So, like, if you understand that clip, he's saying that the extermination of Jews will

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happen and it's a necessary part of reaching his religion's final positive state of affairs.

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Yeah.

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Keep in mind, these are old recordings, but not pre-World War II old.

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It's very clear that what David Smith is preaching and the idea that, like, Alex might

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look at this guy as anything other than a kind of bland, milk toast, but sincere hate

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preacher is incredibly scary.

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Yeah.

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Because he's talking about exterminating the Jews.

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Yeah, we're back at it where it's like, he's not denying the Holocaust.

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He's saying it didn't finish the job.

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Right.

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It didn't do it enough.

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I believe based on his New World Order ideas, like, there is still some of that, like, the

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New World Order orchestrated things and what have you, but even leaving that aside, yeah,

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if his idea is that in the, you know, Obadiah tells us that Ephraim and Manasseh, that's

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what he believes to be the United States and Britain, are going to be the light with which

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the sons of Esau are burnt up and none shall survive.

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Yeah.

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What the fuck else are you...

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What are you talking about other than...

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A fucking oven.

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Jesus Christ.

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Or the United States, the West.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Exterminating the Jews.

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That's what he believes.

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Absolutely.

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That's what he believes.

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That's fucked up.

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There's no way around it.

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You hear stuff like that, it's like, holy fucking shit.

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Somebody take his Bible away.

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Get his Bible out of there.

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Also, how is this not, like, how is...

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I don't understand why he's not more known.

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Like, this is somebody who, you know, had a platform.

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This is fucked up.

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Yeah.

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Give him a Judy Blume novel and take his Bible away, and maybe we'll get some better preaching

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out of this.

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So now, I want to get back to exactly what this birthright is that Smith feels is under

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attack by these Jewish people who are secretly the descendants of Esau, who want their birthright

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back.

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Sure.

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It's not some kind of fruitfulness or prosperity or national success.

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Like you might hope it is.

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It's explicitly world domination.

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According to Smith's interpretation of scripture, God gave his birthright to white people, which

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gave them all manner of blessings.

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They are entitled to enslave non-white people.

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They're entitled to all the natural resources of the earth, even in countries that aren't

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their own.

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They have their run of the show.

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Earlier, I mentioned that even back in the 1600s in Britain, these British Israelite

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beliefs didn't come from a good place, and even if they weren't motivated by anti-Semitism,

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here's where this sort of comes in.

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British Israelism, in its early formation, is largely seen as a way that ostensibly Christian

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people could rationalize the booming period of British colonialism.

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In the late 1500s into the early 1600s, that's right in the period that's known as the First

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British Empire that began to take shape.

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As Britain prioritized colonizing as much of the world as possible, as opposed to fighting

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with other European countries like Spain over areas that had already been colonized.

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In December 1600, the East India Company was founded, which would go on to be a massive

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force of colonialism through many corners of the world.

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They were great.

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If you read about the history of the East India Company, they were.

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Look, nobody just committed genocide quite like they did.

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What the British, and many other countries as well, were doing was immoral on its face.

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They were going into territory that was inhabited and claiming it as their own, often enslaving

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or killing the native populations that didn't get on board with the program.

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But simultaneously, the country and the people were trying to retain the moral high ground,

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that what they were doing wasn't horribly evil.

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Because according to what they profess to believe, if you look at it through that prism,

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it absolutely was horribly evil.

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Oh, absolutely.

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These ideas are interesting at first, but I think the reason they fell out of favor

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and never really caught on is twofold.

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For one, they're completely debunked by scholars from a ton of fields.

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Second, the purpose that these British-Israelism ideas served could be handled easily by appeals

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to ideas of British exceptionalism or pretending that you're colonizing a country in order

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to bring Jesus to quote-unquote savages.

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You don't need to rewrite all of history in order to get an excuse for your behavior.

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So I suspect that most people saw British-Israelism as kind of overcomplicating things.

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Yeah.

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There were far -

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Yeah, because, yeah, it's overcomplicating things, yeah.

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There are far easier ways to justify brutal nationalism

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than the steps you need to take in order to rationalize British-Israelism.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This is the birthright that David J. Smith preaches about,

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the birthright that white people have to dominate the world.

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In this sermon, he expressly points out former colonies gaining independence as being counter

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to his version of biblical prophecies, and thus is proof that the sons of Esau are on the march.

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Just as fast as we rose to prominence on the world scene,

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every one of these sea gates are being stripped from us one by one.

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Rhodesia turned over.

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No.

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Now it's a Marxist state.

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Egypt, which control - or Britain control all of Palestine and Egypt.

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All of those are now free countries.

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The Red Sea no longer belongs to Great Britain.

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The Panama Canal has been given away from the United States.

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It's not controlled by us anymore.

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One by one, every single one of the colonies which fulfill these prophecies are being stripped

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from the United States and Great Britain today.

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Every one of them.

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So -

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This dude's fucking crazy.

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He's a mess.

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That is insane.

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It's so scary to hear, like, a baby in the background.

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Yeah, that's fucked up.

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Yeah, because they're just preaching.

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Yeah.

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In other sermons, he expands on his feelings about Rhodesia and South Africa, and he's

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very clear that he supports the apartheid governments in those countries.

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Though Rhodesia had become Zimbabwe already, South Africa is still very much under apartheid

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rule when he's giving these sermons, and he's all about it.

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It's profoundly fucked up to hear, especially considering the prism of history and the baby

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in the background.

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I can't get over that.

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This is so weird.

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So given these considerations, we know that it's white people's birthright to rule over

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the world and colonize whatever they want, take whatever resources they please.

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But what do you think black people's birthright is?

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Oh, no.

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No, I don't want to hear.

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Oh, no.

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If you guessed they get to be slaves literally forever, you guessed correctly.

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Jesus Christ.

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But notice now in verse 24,

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And Noah awoke from his wine, so he came out of his drunken stupor, and knew what his younger

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son, now this wasn't the actual son, but it should have been grandson, had done unto him.

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And he said, cursed be Canaan.

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This was the son of Ham.

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He had done something to Noah while he was in a drunken stupor that literally set the

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course of history.

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And notice what happened.

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A servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

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Now, this is what we would call basically the African race of people that settle Africa,

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Ham.

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And God literally said that they would become servants all the way through the rest of history.

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All through history forever.

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Okay, okay, okay, okay.

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So somebody got into a fucking bar fight so black people are slaves for forever?

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I don't even know if it sounds like a bar fight.

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It could have been a prank.

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Yeah.

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I don't know all the ins and outs of that story.

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God.

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I just don't care.

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Jesus.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Some happened to Noah when he was drunk and now black people are slaves forever.

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I really don't think that's how God works.

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This is not good.

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That is insane.

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And people didn't like bum rush him and then like there was a dog pile of people like just

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putting their hands over his mouth saying never speak again.

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No, they gave him money.

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That's, oh man, white supremacists are fucking crazy, man.

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So if you're keeping score, David Smith believes that there needs to be a righteous

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extermination of the Jews who aren't really Jews, that white people should rule the world,

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and that black people are permanent slaves because someone pranked Noah while he was

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drunk one time.

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Man.

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I think I've already said this on this episode, but it bears repeating.

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David Smith is a complete white supremacist and an insane idiot.

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Now that we've established some of these really dangerous and fucked up ideas that David Smith

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preaches and if Alex was listening to the show, he was listening to stuff like this.

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Yeah, when he was a kid.

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Yeah, if he was.

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Now I think it's important that we need to take a little time and highlight some of the

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glaring similarities that he has with Alex Jones.

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For one very basic thing, he believes that international socialism pretends to be atheistic

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but is secretly about worshipping the devil.

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Sure.

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And the whole world is set up strategically right now for that final conflict between

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international socialism, communism, which calls itself atheism, but it's not.

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It's those who control it worship Lucifer by name.

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So that's a pretty concrete similarity between him and Alex.

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Jesus Christ.

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And also the muddying the waters of communism and socialism.

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Also, another pretty big similarity is that he believes that the Council on Foreign Relations

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is a globalist plot.

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He's preaching, right?

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Yeah, I mean, these are all sermons.

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We're getting CFR in a sermon.

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Oh, yeah.

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Okay, cool.

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Cool, cool, cool.

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What about the Council on Foreign Relations and its globalist policy?

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Globalist.

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Do they have a global policy?

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Can you prove it?

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If you can, how can you prove it?

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The Council on Foreign Relations actually advocates the creation of a one-world government.

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Now, the ultimate implication of this is that all power would be centralized into a single

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global authority, national identities, and boundaries would be eliminated.

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In 1897, those exact plans were laid down in writing.

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They were discovered in Russia.

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They were turned...

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No, he's a pest dispenser.

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Yeah, he believes in the protocols of the...

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God damn it.

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So, I mean, I think that that clip, you know, it illustrates a big similarity and a difference.

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Similar in belief.

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I mean, that could have just been Alex.

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Yeah.

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Saying though, like it's very similar.

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Council on Foreign Relations, globalist trying to create a world government, blah, blah, blah.

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But it's different in that Smith is willing to admit that he believes in the protocols

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of the Elders of Zion.

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He goes on to expound on his ideas about how the Council on Foreign Relations hates people

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who wanna put America first.

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Then he proceeds to lay out in this next clip a conspiracy that Alex Jones has made very

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central to his worldview.

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In the entire CFR lexicon, that's their terminology, their language, there is no

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term of revulsion that repulses them, carrying a meaning so deep as America first.

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End of quote.

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He says the Council on Foreign Relations hates the term America should be first.

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We're the greatest nation on earth, we should stay first.

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The Council on Foreign Relations hates that terminology.

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Yeah.

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Because you see, all the way back to Animal Icehop, the founder of the Illuminati, they

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said there must be equality, brotherhood, and fraternity of all people.

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They want to take controls of a world government and reduce all people in America to that of

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the third and fourth world countries so all people will be equal.

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That's one of Alex's big ideas about the financial collapse stuff, the idea that they

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need to destroy the economy in order to make everyone so poor that we can merge with third

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world countries.

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That is clearly articulated by Smith years before Alex ever got on the radio.

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This could be Alex's show before Alex existed, very clearly.

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Alex even does talk about the Illuminati from time to time, especially did earlier in his

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career.

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God, I think it's embarrassing to talk about it too much now, but he didn't have that

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bugaboo before.

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He was certainly fine with it.

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I am amazed by that guy can turn, well, so many of these dudes can turn this idea of

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like, hey, maybe let's not go crazy on the America first and maybe bring other countries

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and everybody into the fold and bring everybody up to this equal place instead of keeping

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all of them down and turn that into what they're trying to do is kill everybody in America

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and make us all poor.

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Make a poor so we can merge and they can rule forever.

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Like a simple goal of like, hey, let's be brothers with everybody.

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They turn into something perverse and awful.

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And how is it that you don't, that people just don't go like, oh, you're an asshole.

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Right.

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I mean, I think it's a stunting of moral development to some extent because like, you know, a real

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real early form of moral development is just sort of your own personal needs being met.

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Then there's like, okay, so my family, uh, we should protect my family.

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Then you have a larger social group and you develop to understand, oh, I, you know, we

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need to, all of us should be doing well.

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Then you expand out to a city and a state and a country and then eventually you get

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to the world.

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It just, you know, these guys just stop.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you universe, like whatever principles lead you to care for anyone.

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Yeah.

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If you sit and think about it long enough, should become universal.

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Yeah.

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And yeah, that's the only way we become a type one civilization.

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Well, even, you know, forget about that stuff because then you know, I'm just, I understand.

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Yeah, it's America first and those sorts of ideas really are just a backstop against people

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developing fully on their moral path towards, uh, uh, actualization of we're all people.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, um, if you really want to look at this, the overlap between Alex Jones and David

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Smith runs very deep for another thing.

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They both preach constantly about how the new world order is trying to disarm the population

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in order to take over.

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They said that they would have to carry out an operation to solve this problem was to

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create conditions in the United States of America under some pretext to disarm and confiscate

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all weapons from the people.

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God loves God.

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How is this going to happen?

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There could not be a world government.

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There could not be an all powerful government unless the citizens of the world were disarmed

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and could not defend themselves.

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So he believes much like Alex, that a necessary piece of bringing in this world government

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is disarming the population.

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But if you listen even closer to that clip, you see that he also believes that the world

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government is going to use false flag type situations in order to pursue their goals.

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They're going to create circumstances ring about because he believes in the Hegelian

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dialectic, the problem reaction solution ideas.

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He has sermons where he brings that up very clearly.

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It's it's the overlap is insanely strong, but he and he believes this right.

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What do you mean by that?

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I mean, well, like with Alex, there's a lot of shit that he says that we all know he's

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bullshitting about and he doesn't actually believe it.

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And it seems like a real crazy thing for him to do this and not believe it.

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Yeah, I mean, this is so intense.

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Yeah, that's so scary.

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So honestly, we could do this all day, like almost any conspiracy that Alex Jones believes

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about the Illuminati or New World Order or world government is echoed in the sermons

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of David J. Smith.

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The Federal Reserve is evil.

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Taxation is theft.

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They want to destroy your families.

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The mainstream churches have been infiltrated by the New World Order.

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There's so much substantive overlap.

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But if I'm being honest, that piece of their overlap was less interesting to me than some

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of the more subtle connections you can find if you pay close attention.

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For one, David Smith has the exact same habit that Alex Jones does of using fake documents

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to support his arguments.

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We already heard him say the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is real.

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And in this next clip, he uses another fake document to make his argument.

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In 1919, after World War One was completed, while the allies had troops still stationed

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in Germany, they discovered the rules for communist revolution.

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Now, communism was instituted by the Illuminati worshippers of Lucifer.

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That doesn't sound right.

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Some within that movement prefer to call him Satan.

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Albert Pike did, who laid down the final 100-year program for world government that would be

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achieved by the end of the 20th century.

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These rules of revolution said they would take over the mass media in the United States

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of America and program the minds of the people so that it would turn it against patriots.

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It would turn it against Christians who wanted to be faithful to Jesus Christ.

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And it would turn the mass public's mind against those individuals who believed in

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the Constitution of the United States.

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He goes on to talk about how it's the Second Amendment, too.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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We have a substantive similarity there with they're trying to turn people against patriots

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and people who love the Constitution and Christians.

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So you have a really one-to-one parallel rhetorically.

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But then that rules for communist revolution is a fake document.

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Yeah, so he's he's citing that in order to create a fake narrative.

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Right.

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What they're doing is entirely the same.

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Just one of them's at a pulpit in a radio show and the other as a studio.

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That's basically the only difference between those clips.

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George Soros made a lot of people in Antifa sign the rules for communist revolution before

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they start all of those fights.

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It's number one on the syllabus.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Acquired reading.

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But it's not just fake documents, though.

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David J. Smith also uses fake quotes in his sermon, just like Thomas Jeffers does.

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In fact, he uses some of the exact same fake quotes.

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Then George Washington, the first president of the United States, I quote him.

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Oh, that one?

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Firearms stand next to importance to the Constitution itself.

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They are the people's liberty teeth.

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Uh, that's a fake quote that we talked about that on a recent episode that Liberty Teeth

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is a very specific phraseology that he's using is very it's a specific fake quote for both

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of these dudes to think is real.

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It tells me that Alex either got this from David Smith or that they're both working off

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similar sources that pushed this fake quote.

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And either isn't a good option, like both are they both are intertwining these two people

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as either being in the same community or Alex taking it from him.

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And the similarities don't stop there.

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David J. Smith takes a lot of his beliefs about this international conspiracy from the

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exact same place as Alex does.

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This was recorded in The Naked Communist by W. Cleon Skousen.

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He talks about W. Cleon Skousen.

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He talks about none dare call it conspiracy as being great books.

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And you know what?

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He seems to admire a lot of the same people that Alex does.

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I happen to know that there's over 700 banks in the United States, according to Senator

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Ron Paul, not Senator, but House of Representative member, that are now in danger of collapse.

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And yet the government won't breathe a word because if they breathe which companies or

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which banks they were, you and I would go have a run on them and ensure their collapse

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because you and I don't want to lose our money.

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So you've got financial collapse narratives, which are so central to Alex's paranoia that

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he pushes, and they're being defended by appeals to Ron Paul.

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Now, Ron Paul is a pretty common person for weirdo militia types to support.

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So maybe this one isn't too bizarre, but I think this next one a little more specific.

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We have really not even begun to develop our own energy sources.

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And an example of that is in Alaska.

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And I mentioned this before, the book put out the energy non-crisis by Lindsey Williams,

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where he was right there on the spot.

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He had access to all documentation, and he has shown, documented, that the Gull Island

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fine was the largest in the United States.

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So, like, I've literally never heard anyone other than Alex Jones reference Lindsey Williams.

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That's not entirely true.

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I'm sorry I misspoke.

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I've also heard people on Alex's message board reference Lindsey Williams as a con man that

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they never wanted to hear on the show as a guest ever again.

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Beyond that, it's just Alex and David J. Smith.

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And these connections are pretty compelling, right?

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I feel like we've gotten some insane parallels, both in content and belief, style, substance,

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references, people.

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Like, Lindsey Williams being referenced by both these dudes is insane to me.

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Like, when I was listening through that sermon, I was like, what?

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Lindsey Williams did not expect to hear that there.

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But I feel like this last clip that I have of these sermons should jump out at you.

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And you should just, like, this could easily be a clip from Alex's show.

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And that's just historical documentation, which can be found in the congressional records of

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the United States.

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And there's even a movie making circulations now, and it's been on cable, called Reds.

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So you see there-

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And there's a movie that he's, oh my God.

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This preacher is trying to make a point, and then he vaguely cites the congressional record,

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but doesn't really get into it.

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Instead, he relates his point to a movie.

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It's insane.

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That's exactly the rhetorical style that Alex employs.

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And to me, that feels like a little bit of a fingerprint.

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It's the sort of thing that you could, like, if you listen to a ton of it, you might adopt

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that into your subconscious.

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Right.

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Especially if you're a younger person listening to a ton of this.

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And so if you listen to a preacher who had these verbal patterns, it would make sense

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that you might be like, well, I just compare things to movies to make my point instead.

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And, you know, I don't know if that's, I don't, this is certainly not concrete, but it's enough

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that along with all of the other stuff, you kind of got to look at a lot of these similarities

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as it's piling up to mountains of circumstantial evidence.

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God, he's like weaponized stupidity.

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Like he's so-

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Alex or David?

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Both.

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I mean, it seems more like based on what we're going through here, it sounds to me like David

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Smith is so fucking stupid and crazy that he inadvertently shot Alex like a missile into

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America.

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I don't, I don't know what I'm saying.

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I don't know if that's a hundred percent sure or true, but like, uh, it's, it's certainly,

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he might've contributed to the field, you know?

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That's crazy.

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Yeah.

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So this is just a small sample of the things that I've heard from Smith's sermons.

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There are plenty, plenty more of examples of direct overlap with Alex on tons of issues.

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I could play you hours of Smith talking and sounding exactly like Alex, but ultimately

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all that can prove is that they believe similar things and, you know, you know, there's similarities,

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there's timeline patterns, but that's a completely unsatisfying conclusion for me.

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I needed to figure out if there was a stronger connection between these two, so I kept looking.

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Something that we've left unexamined for too long is Alex's presence on shortwave radio.

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For those unaware, shortwave signals exist in a band of frequencies that could be broadcast

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for huge distances.

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Whereas a radio signal might only be capable of being picked up in like a 20-mile radius

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from the transmitter, large shortwave transmitters can push a signal out that could be received

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easily through the entire United States and further.

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Alex always used to tell his audience to set up their own transmitters to broadcast his

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show, which that would definitely help him, you know, playing on more frequencies, but

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it wouldn't do anything to help expand his geographical reach.

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Alex only needs one shortwave transmitter to broadcast his show all over the United

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States and in Canada and in Mexico, and that station that does that work is WWCR out of

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Nashville, Tennessee.

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WWCR has an official partnership with Genesis Communications Network and a number of their

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shows are broadcast from that hub.

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Some of the other shows that have been on that network include The Hour of the Time,

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which was Bill Cooper's show before he died.

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There are also, they have a show on there called The Intelligence Report, I don't believe

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that's on anymore, but it was hosted by Mark from Michigan, a notorious militia agitator

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who would call into Alex's show and had appeared as a guest on Alex's show as well.

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Jack McLamb had a show on WWCR.

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If you forget, McLamb was a frequent Alex Jones guest who tried to create a patriot

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utopia in rural Idaho, along with militia lunatic and hardcore Christian identity follower

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Bo Gritz.

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Bo Gritz also had a show on WWCR called Freedom Call.

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They aired a show called Radio Free America, which was sponsored by the Liberty Lobby and

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Spotlight magazine, the anti-Semitic rag where Alex's main Bilderberg source Jim Tucker

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worked for years.

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WWCR also broadcasted Scriptures for America, a radio program hosted by Pete Peters, the

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Christian identity preacher who organized the fascist organizing summit, the Rocky Mountain

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Rendezvous, which was attended by Aryan Nation's leader Louis Beam, popularizer of the leaderless

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resistance, and frequent Alex Jones guest and Alex Jones sponsor Larry Pratt of Gun

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Owners for America.

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WWCR also broadcast David J. Smith's NewsWatch magazine.

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WWCR is a pretty extremist Christian outlet with heavy ties to extremes on the right wing

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and the militia patriot community.

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And you can see that from just so many of the shows they aired, they have explicit or

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subtle ties to Alex and his worldview.

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The idea that David J. Smith's show was broadcast on the same transmitter station on shortwave

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as Alex and all of these very explicit Christian identity programs.

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It means something.

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God, that is insane.

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Can you like I'm trying to think of some sort of like polar opposite.

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Can you imagine a shortwave radio station that was just like fucking environmental terrorists

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doing nothing but like you need to blow up fucking damn every goddamn.

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Something close to that might exist because I mean shortwave does also include a lot of

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like pirate programs.

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Yeah.

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Amateur people with transmitters can broadcast stuff on shortwave with fairly easy abilities.

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I'm not aware of any eco terrorist stations.

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Right?

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Like especially on par with WWCR.

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I know.

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Which has like it.

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The reach of it is insane.

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I imagine that that.

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You have to contact them to get their exact coverage map.

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Yeah.

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I didn't want to do that.

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No, of course not.

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I don't want to.

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I don't want to talk to them.

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No, no, no, please no.

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But ones I could find that I'm not 100% sure if they're accurate, but they go all over

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North America into South America and in Europe, throughout Europe and North Africa.

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Like they have coverage of like an insane area.

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Bananas.

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Yeah.

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So I think it's I think it's pretty fucked up to see this this very clear connection.

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Like why?

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It's not pretty fucked up.

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It's insanely fucked up.

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Why is Alex on this Christian identity broadcast station that also broadcasts this preacher?

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Like it's very strange to me.

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Very strange.

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No, it's not strange.

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It makes perfect sense.

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They're all fucking Nazi terrorists.

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I don't know, man.

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Yeah.

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But even as connected as this seems, it's still not definitive enough for me.

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I needed something more concrete.

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And after digging around a little more, what should I find?

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But in May 14th, 2008 episode of the Alex Jones show featuring David J. Smith as the

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guest, I figured if anything could give me a sense of Alex's true feelings towards Smith,

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it would be a conversation between the two of them.

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And here, Jordan, is how that conversation begins.

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We only have one guest today because I want to have plenty of time to cover the news and

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have open phones in the first, third and fourth hour today.

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Pastor David J. Smith from Loxahatchee, Texas, fighting the New World Order for more than

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30 years, will be joining us on air to talk about his neck of the woods nearby the Baptist

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Bible School in East Texas, where they have Homeland Security come in and tell members

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of the staff that they'll be arrested and charged with espionage if they speak about

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the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

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That's a little bit of a sort of mischaracterization of what's going on.

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He's also really he's speaking really loosely to make it sound like David J. Smith's church

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has anything to do with this church that's allegedly having Homeland Security.

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Yeah, it definitely sounded like it's disconnected.

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It's maybe geographically close, but it's unrelated.

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Unaffiliated.

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And it's more just an issue of like this church was preaching politics and you run your

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risk of your tax-exempt status being taken away if you advocate for or against specific

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policies, ways to vote, candidates, because you want to keep those things discreet.

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It's very easy to see how if you're running a church, you could election medal fairly,

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especially in local elections.

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It would be very easy to set up a machine if churches were allowed to be political tools.

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Yeah, and it's a good thing that we know now for sure that churches are not political tools

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at all.

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It's awesome.

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It's so good that we have a...

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So David J. Smith has been fighting the New World Order for 30 years.

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That seems like a pretty positive thing for Alex to say.

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She seems to be pretty enthusiastic about him.

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And in this next clip, he even calls him an icon.

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As I told you, I plan to have all the real icons, the people who've been fighting for

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decades and decades against the New World Order on this show.

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They've all been on before, but many of them haven't been on in years.

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In fact, I just remembered again to try to get Red Beckman on if his health allows.

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Haven't had him on in a few years, and he's a World War II vet.

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He really is one of the great granddaddies of them all.

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So Red Beckman.

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Icon, David Smith and Red Beckman.

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Red Beckman, icons of this fight.

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Icons.

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We talked about Red Beckman in a past episode, so I don't want to get too deeply back into

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him.

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But in case anyone needs a reminder, Red Beckman was one of the guys who thinks the 16th Amendment

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is a fraud and he shouldn't have to pay taxes.

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He also wrote a book called The Church Deceived, where he had some interesting thoughts about

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what the Jews went through in World War II.

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Quote, it was judgment, not Holocaust.

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Oh, boy.

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The true and almighty God used the evil Nazi government to perform judgment upon the evil

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Antichrist religion of those who had crucified the Christ.

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So he's pretty into the Holocaust.

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Man.

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Not thrilled with the Nazis, but into the Holocaust, which kind of sounds like David

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J. Smith's.

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It does kind of sound a lot like that.

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Red Beckman was a big wig in early Christian identity circles, which strongly indicates

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that he was into the British Israelism thing as a concept.

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This is further indicated by his contention that non-whites are mud people, which he says,

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which we clearly have heard David J. Smith say that black people, because of a prank

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on Noah, are servants for perpetuity.

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Right.

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When Alex says that you're an icon in a particular field on par with Red Beckman, you are being

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called a racist and an anti-Semite.

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That is what Red Beckman stock and trade is and complaining about taxes.

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Sure.

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I'll give him that.

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Great.

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But more importantly, racist and anti-Semite.

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If you're compared to him now, Alex might be trying to present that as a positive in

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his world, but it is not.

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In his world, it is a positive.

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Maybe.

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So interestingly, Alex gets a call on this episode that is from one of our callers, one

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of the people that I've been paying attention to.

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Old Man Houseman?

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Nope.

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It's the racist old guy.

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Oh, there it is.

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Steve in Chicago, you're on the air.

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Yes, I'd like to say a big congratulations to the West Virginians for beating back a

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marauding, rampaging black beast.

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Now, I don't know if you saw this, but oh, yes.

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Wait a minute.

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Wait a minute.

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Alex is frustrated.

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You can hear it.

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That.

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Oh, no.

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You can hear that his show at this point has a character that is okay to be like, damn

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it, racist guy.

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And it's very strange because he's interviewing a preacher who prior to this has given sermons

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about how black people are slaves forever.

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So that's incongruous a little bit, but he needs the presentation publicly to be all

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right.

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You got this racist calling in.

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I've got to be not on board with him because when he says the rampaging black beast, what

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he's talking about is the primaries because we're in May 2008 at this point, the primary

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season is still going.

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So he's talking about pushing back against Obama.

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Yeah.

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And so Alex can't allow that to be on the show so overt, and he pushes back in it in

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this next clip, which is something you would never hear nowadays.

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I think I want to take one second to say I'd like to have a celebratory victory dance with

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the VA West Virginia Mountain Mama.

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I appreciate your call, sir.

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I just can't hear the music you're playing.

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We don't need to call people black based.

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That's crazy to hear Alex say that, isn't it?

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It is.

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Especially considering we've heard this guy call in other periods of time and more recently,

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and Alex's brand is completely changed to the point where he can't say things like,

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don't call people black beast.

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No, he has to be subtle at this point.

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His side isn't like, oh, this guy's saying something wrong.

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It's like, oh, you're giving up the game.

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Stop it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you're forcing me to explicitly denounce you when we could have had a good time.

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Yeah, we could have had a great time being a fucking racist beneath the lines, but now

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you're fucking doing it.

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Come on, man.

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Yeah.

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So we get David J. Smith come again, and it's not really that great of an interview.

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Alex is trying to get him to reinforce the ideas that he has about the clergy response

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teams, which is essentially the notion that Alex has that FEMA has placed infiltrators

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in churches in order to get them to go along with putting people in camps.

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Yeah, sure.

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It's nonsense.

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We've talked about that in a past episode.

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And David J. Smith doesn't really have anything to say other than, yeah, you bet they're

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doing it.

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Like, OK.

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Man, isn't it crazy that they didn't need to put people in churches to have them be

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OK with putting people in camps?

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Like, people in churches are just automatically OK with people being in camps?

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They seem to be now.

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They seem to be really cool with it.

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So in this clip here from David J. Smith, he talks about his British Israelism beliefs,

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which is weird to hear come up on Alex's show, because I would have assumed Alex wouldn't

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want him to talk about this stuff.

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And we know that the Rothschilds and other international bankers financed all of this

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to get it started.

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So how do the Hebrews tie into this, then?

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Well, see, you've got two different items here.

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Number one, there were 12 tribes of Israel, and the northern 10 tribes of Israel split

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away from the tribe of Judah and Benjamin because Solomon's son, Rehoboam, would not

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give them relief from taxation.

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So they rebelled, and they became a separate nation.

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Sounding real America-y.

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He's, like, rewriting the Bible to be like, and George Washington and Thomas Jefferson

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broke away from Rehoboam.

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You know what, though?

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It's not too, like, wholly inaccurate, because Rehoboam, part of the reason that he was such

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an awful leader was, like, he said he was going to raise more taxes in a cruel way.

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But that wasn't nearly the only slight that he made against the people, the tribes, that

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led them to be like, fuck this, we are not...

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Taxation was a part of it, but it certainly wasn't the whole story.

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But it is interesting that you take that piece of it and you make it so central, because

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you're hanging out with Red Beckman and all of these anti-tax agitators, so that's the

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important piece.

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That's why those 10 tribes are like, fuck this noise.

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Yeah.

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It's a rewriting.

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But, you know, it's interesting that Alex is not pushing back on it.

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No, not even a little bit.

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I think he's just like, well, I've introduced this guy as an icon.

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I have to make this as smooth as possible, but just not let him get too far into the

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Jews are the sons of Esau, and we need to burn them.

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Pull it back, pull it back!

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Right.

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He has to walk that line, and he manages to do it successfully.

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Although David Smith does say that Jews are the descendants of Turks, or at least the

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majority of them are.

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92% of them, actually.

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I don't think he gives specifics on Alex's show, but Alex doesn't push back on that,

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which is very weird to me.

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But we have one last clip from this episode, because their interview really isn't that

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great.

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And what I was looking for, I found in this clip.

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And so the rest of it doesn't really matter to me all that much.

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I love the different directions you take us in.

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We wheel a fortune there, never knowing what you'll bring up next.

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Going back to Pastor David J. Smith, we're going to give out his phone number and contact

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info.

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Great books, great films, great research.

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I've learned so much from him since I woke up in the last 16, 17 years.

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So you have the thing that I was looking for all along.

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When you go in and you look in to David J. Smith, you find so much heavy overlap.

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You find so much, with the one exception being this British-Israelist beliefs that Alex

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doesn't profess.

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But there's so much overlap between the conception of the New World Order, the sources, the

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people, the narratives.

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All of it matches up so much, but it doesn't amount to that much.

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Then you find that they're on the same shortwave station, and that his broadcast was operating

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out of a city 30 miles away from Alex's childhood home.

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And you're like, God damn it, there's so much here that seems very similar, but it's not

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really definitive.

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Now you listen to the two of them talk, and Alex says that he's learned so much from him

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in the last 16 to 17 years since he's woken up and listened to David J. Smith's show.

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Yeah, it does seem like all that he really did was listen to David Smith's show and go,

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maybe instead of Jew, I say globalist, and I'll make a shit out of money.

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And maybe use some of the sources, go in some of the directions.

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It seems to me almost impossible to imagine that Alex wasn't heavily influenced by this

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guy.

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Oh, absolutely.

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But I also think that Alex is smart enough to know that if I am to be open about a lot

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of this stuff, and where I'm getting these ideas from, people would be able to trace

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it down too easily.

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And then they'd be like, oh, oh dude, oh my friend, you are getting your ideas from a

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white supremacist preacher, anti-Semite of the highest order, complete fucking weirdo.

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And Alex doesn't want that.

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He wants to be seen as these ideas coming from an intellectual place.

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Somebody who's above identity politics and all of that shit.

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And to be clear, I don't think that necessarily all of Alex's ideas come from David J. Smith.

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I think that would be really overstating it.

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Yeah.

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But I think that this is a piece of his inspiration.

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I think it's a piece of his backstory that is unexamined.

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And it's something that you don't really realize until Alex phones it in for a week and you're

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like, hey, who's that preacher he's talking about?

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And then you dig in and you find this stuff.

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That's very interesting to me.

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So before we get out of here, there's something else I want to address.

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And I think it's probably been in the background of everybody's head as we've been going through

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this.

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And that is how much Alex Jones talks about birthright.

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And the fact that it's so central to David Smith's philosophy, theology, ideology.

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Alex constantly in the present day talks about Trump reasserting America's birthright in

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the world.

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And for a very long time, I just took that to mean like, whatever, you know, I took that

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to be along the same lines as his like the 1776 2.0 or whatever.

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You know, I took that to mean like America is a completely different country than anything

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that's ever existed before.

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And hooray.

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But when I listen to hours and hours and hours of David J. Smith and he's constantly harping

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on the idea that Jacob got the birthright from Esau and Esau has been trying to take

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it back by way of international communism, creating a new world order, a world government.

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And the specific wording of it is just too much for me to think is a coincidence.

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Yeah, that's fucked up.

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So I decided to go back and listen to some of Alex on Inauguration Day.

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And this clip stuck out to me.

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First off, let me just take a deep breath here and break down what just happened here

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today.

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Undoubtedly, this was Providence.

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This was American destiny being reinvoked.

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This was Trump declaring the birthright of this republic that George Washington talked

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about and that Providence that started back in 1776.

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He invoked it.

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It was so historical and I knew they were going to invoke it.

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It just came into my mind and I knew even though he hasn't given the speech and I haven't

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talked to Trump about this, I knew what was about to happen.

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And I said, I've got a tweet that they're going to reinvoke the birthright.

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I could just feel it because that's really what this is.

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And then the media was asking me, even the New York Times had seen the tweet.

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They said, did you talk to Trump?

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How did you know it was in the speech nobody else did?

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And I said, no, this is Americana.

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You understand?

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We're reading the same book.

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It's the same spirit.

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So I will tell them when I've talked about Trump, the spirit of America, can you feel

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it rising?

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Trump feels it.

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He knows it.

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He loves it.

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And he wants to serve the people and empower the people to have America be incredibly wealthy

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again and empower the globe.

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So, you know, the context in which he's talking about the birthright being reinvoked, um,

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really sounds a lot more like David J.

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Smith's version of the birthright than fanciful ideas that I might have had of like vague

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notions of what he's talking about.

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So I come to the end of this episode and it's a little bit unsatisfying still on one level,

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because I don't feel I feel on one side very satisfied with my conclusion.

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And that is that Alex Jones, I mean, he admitted it.

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He's learned a ton from him over the last 16 years.

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So obviously he like he has been aware of and knows what David J.

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Smith stands for and sees him to be an icon in this world.

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So that answers all of those questions.

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That investigation open and shut complete.

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The question of whether or not Alex believes the birthright that he talks about all the

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fucking time is the same thing that David J.

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Smith believes it to be, namely white people have dominion over the world.

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Yeah, that to me is still an open question.

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Yeah, I would say that it feels like it is.

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I'm going to have to go with, yeah, he's a white Christian imperialist.

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I don't know if he's a British Israelist, but he's definitely, I apologize.

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Anglo Israel.

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That's the better way for Alex.

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So he doesn't have to say Britain.

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Right, right.

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Yeah, that maybe that's the only thing that he, that kept him away from being a British

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imperialist is he was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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How dare you say British?

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I think the only thing that's keeping him away is a very keen awareness that if he's

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open about this stuff, then people will treat him appropriately.

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Yeah.

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They'll treat him as the, uh, I mean, Christian identity person that he is.

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Yeah.

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You, we played that clip before from inauguration day.

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Yeah.

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I remember that.

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And I remember thinking about, well, yeah, well, obviously, obviously years ago.

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Uh, but I remember thinking like birthright just being like a, Oh, well I was born in

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America and so on and so forth, but it's so much more charged now that I have this history

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of like understanding, Oh, that also means that black people are slaves forever.

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It also could mean that.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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I mean, what we've learned today obviously puts a little bit of a, uh, um, uh, context

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onto that.

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Yeah.

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Possible context.

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Yeah.

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But even, you know, separate from that, we have also heard him talk about birthright

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a ton since this inauguration day when we covered that.

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And the context in which he talked about, it's talked about, it has never made it clearer.

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And the only thing that it suggests a slight clearing up of what he's talking about is

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looking at how that word is used by somebody who clearly he thinks is an icon and is someone

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who he's been aware of for over a decade and a half at the point of 2008 when you had him

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on, you trace that back.

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It's like he's 15, 16 years old when he first came in contact with, uh, with, uh, David

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J Smith.

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So I don't know.

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It's, uh, it's, it's a little bit open, uh, uh, as a question of how much exactly Alex,

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uh, is in line with him.

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But from my assessment and looking at Alex Jones, the way I have over the course of our

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podcast, I mean, I can't prove it, but boy, it feels like he uses terms like birthright

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in the way he does as code.

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I think, uh, so one thing that I keep thinking about in the context of today is, uh, how

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Superman helped stop the Nazi or stop the Ku Klux Klan, uh, uh, in the, in the fifties

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on the radio, they had, uh, uh, an investigation or some dude was infiltrated the KKK and he

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used Superman's radio serial to reveal how stupid the KKK was.

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You know, like the leader is the grand dragon and it turned them into more of a laughing

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stock that their secret rituals were actually just fucking stupid cosplay.

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Yeah.

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And that did so much to stem the, the growth of the KKK.

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And I'm thinking like if we had that same situation today, it would not stem the growth

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of the KKK.

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People would be like, yeah, I love the grand dragons.

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That's awesome.

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Right.

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Enough people would co-opt it ironically.

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And then before you know it, you take any kind of stigma away.

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It's bananas.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's a bummer.

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Anyway, I don't know, I don't know how, uh, there's any like real solid conclusion in

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this other than, uh, we have, uh, stumbled upon a really fucked up, uh, inspiration for

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Alex Jones over the years.

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And it troubles me to a level I can barely express fully.

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Um, and, uh, you know, the rest of the stuff in his shows aren't worth talking about.

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So now we're, we're good through March 10th.

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Sandy Hook investigation.

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Let's remind...

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This is the value of that though.

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No, no, no, no.

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You find stuff like this that you never, you'd never be able to find any other way.

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Dan, you know, I, before I met you, uh, I used to live a fun, carefree life.

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We should still do a little of that.

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Maybe just a little.

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Yeah.

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Um, so, uh, before we get out of here, let's, uh, let's give us more shout outs to people.

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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And an attempt to, uh, come closer to catching up, which we won't be able to do, honestly,

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unless we start giving shout outs to people as a group.

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And I don't know if I want to do that because I feel like it might be disrespectful.

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It's unfair to all the people that we've...

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Yeah.

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We set such a precedent of individual sound drops being played and now it's just,

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we've backed into a corner.

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Yeah.

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I don't know what we're going to do.

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But anyway, uh, I'd like to say thank you to Simon.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks Simon.

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Next, uh, someone who's, uh, coming in at the technocrat level.

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Thank you so much, Turig.

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You're now, uh, wait, Turing.

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Like a Turing test.

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Like Alan Turing.

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Yes, but not him because I think he's dead.

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Uh, he is dead.

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Yes, I can confirm that.

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We miss him, but we also...

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Thank you, Turing.

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You're now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate.

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That's fantastic.

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Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you.

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Thank you, Turing.

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Thank you very much, Turing.

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Next, Lee.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Lee.

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Uh, next, uh, Chris.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Chris.

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Thank you, Chris.

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Next, I'd like to say thank you to Aaron.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Aaron.

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And finally, I'd like to say thank you to Greg, who donated on a little elevated level.

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Greg, you are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate.

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That's fantastic.

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Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you.

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Thank you so much, Greg.

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Thank you very much, Greg.

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Thank you all so much.

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We may have to end up doing group inductions as policy wonks and technocrats, but we will

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see moving forward.

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Either way, we appreciate it, and we could not do this without you, and we have made

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it to the end of what I would describe as an episode that's tough.

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But we have made it through, and we will be back on Wednesday for a modern day episode.

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We'll check in on the modern day, but it's important to get through this, if only because

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now we're through into March.

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Very exciting, because we're now closer to...

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Judgment day.

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The release of Terminator 2.

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Oh, also, I should point out, I believe on our last 2013 episode, Alex was teasing that

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big news was coming up that he had investigators working on.

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Right, and we have not heard anything about it.

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There's like behind the scenes footage, hidden cameras.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That is completely dropped.

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Never, never spoken to.

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Nothing about that.

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Great.

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So there's an update on that.

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Good work, Alex.

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Anyway, we'll be back on Wednesday, but for now, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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That's correct.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are at Knowledge Underscore Fight and at Go To Bed Jordan.

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On Facebook.

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We are on Facebook, and if you wanted to download this podcast and listen to it, I don't know

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how you got this far without having learned how to download this podcast.

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But what you should do is write a little note, get a rubber band, put the note on a rock,

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put the rubber band around those two to connect to the two, throw it through the window of

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your nearest neighbor, and they will download the podcast for you.

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I promise you that is how it works.

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Is that right?

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No, but you could go to iTunes.

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That'll definitely do the trick.

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So I guess what I would say is, as far as I know, that baby who was crying in the background

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of some of David J. Smith's sermons, I don't think that baby has killed it.

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You don't know.

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That was 20 years ago.

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More than that.

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Yeah, you're right.

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Innocent until proven guilty.

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Fair enough.

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That baby, I don't think has killed anybody.

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But someone who technically probably has is Alex Jones.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.