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Andy and Chansis, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes. We like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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When was the last time you got a slice of pizza?

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I got-

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Just a slice.

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I got one last night.

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You got just a slice? You got one slice?

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Yeah, went out for a slice. Yep, I did.

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I was walking around. I had to go clear out some stuff from my old apartment.

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Finishing up moving, because when you move and you're done, it's never really done.

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And so I was walking back and I spotted a pizza place that I like along the way.

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And I went in and got a slice and it was pretty good.

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Nice, nice.

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It wasn't as good as I remembered it, but it was pretty good.

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Have you ever had a bocce slice?

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I have, they're too big.

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They are huge.

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Yes.

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And don't forget, terrible.

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Yeah, they're not good.

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They're garbage.

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Bocce is a place that has cafeteria pizza.

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Yeah.

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Is what it is here in Chicago.

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If you want a lot, and it comes with a free drink also, which is not a bonus.

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The whole thing costs $3 and a lifetime of regret.

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I think it's probably just for drunk people down in Wrigleyville.

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That's mostly what that bocce location is for.

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Not great pizza. Don't recommend it if you come to Chicago.

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Plenty of other options.

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Jordan, today-

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What's today?

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We're doing a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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Oh yeah? I only know what you're telling me about Alex Jones.

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It doesn't matter, because we're doing Wacky Wednesday on Friday today.

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Yay!

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Like I said, I had to go clear out a bunch of stuff from this old apartment.

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And also, I've rejoined the gym near my house.

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And I've been getting back into the routine of going to the gym.

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Started taking a Pilates class.

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Love it.

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Which is-

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Still don't understand it.

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Out of character as hell.

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But, you know, so there's still some adjustment to the move happening.

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And I felt like a good way for us to get back into a good natural rhythm.

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And a good fun time would be to have a little trip down to Project Camelot land.

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Love it.

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Because, Jordan-

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This old apartment was Bob Vila, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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This old house.

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Oh, okay. Never mind.

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Today, Carrie Cassidy has gone back to prison and interviewed Mark Richards.

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That could go either way.

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She could have gone back to prison just regularly.

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She wasn't in prison to begin with, so she's gonna go back.

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Okay.

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But she went to go interview Mark Richards for her tenth time.

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Captain Mark Richards.

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Absolutely.

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And so here is an out of context drop from today's show.

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Clones are not reliable.

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I agree.

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I agree.

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Can't trust them, clones.

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I love this.

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I love it.

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That's a-

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I love it so much.

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She's making a very important point, you know, beneath all that.

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And that is that you can't rely on a clone.

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That's not to say that you can't trust them.

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It means that you can't rely on them.

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Well, like, obviously your clone would never have helped you move.

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No, certainly not.

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No, of course not. It's not his responsibility.

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No, it would have left a bunch of shit in the apartment when we got out.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It's unreliable clones to have.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But you know what?

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There's some people who aren't clones.

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And I believe that we should start this episode off by giving a shout out to these non-clones who have signed up and are supporting the show.

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Very reliable.

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Very reliable, these non-clones.

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So first, I'd like to say thank you to Amy.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Amy.

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Thank you, Amy.

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Next, Natalie, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Natalie.

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Thank you very much, Natalie.

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Next, Darren, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Darren.

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Thank you very much, Darren.

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Next, someone who donated on a little bit of an elevated level.

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We appreciate it oh so very much.

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So, Sean, thank you so much. You are now a globalist.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.

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Thank you, Sean.

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Thank you very much, Sean.

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And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on a little bit of an elevated level above that.

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Uh-oh.

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We appreciate that so very much.

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So, Jay, thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser little, little kitty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much, Jay.

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Thank you very much, Jay.

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Uh, if you're listening out there and you're thinking, I like what these guys do, I'd like to support the show, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com,

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clicking the button that says support the show, we would appreciate it because it makes all our dreams come true.

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It allows me to take a Pilates class in this apartment and talk about Carrie Cassidy going to prison to interview Mark Richards.

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And let's be clear, we are a clone positive show.

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We are a clone agnostic podcast.

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We have no stated position on clones.

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So Jordan, today, this is super interesting.

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This is a very different sort of vibe here on Project Camelot.

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Well, the audio sounded weird.

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I wanted to bring that up.

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This audio stinks.

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Yeah.

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I don't know what's going on.

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I don't know why Carrie's audio is very different, but it is.

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And we're just going to have to deal with that.

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Okay.

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I don't know.

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There's no way for me to clean it up and I wouldn't even if I could.

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No, of course not.

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I'm not putting more work into this.

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I already spent forever preparing this episode.

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It's not your fault.

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Fuck Carrie.

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She better do the work.

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Now, there's other big news.

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Carrie has a new graphic that looks like something out of a, I don't know, 1993 PC video game.

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Okay.

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All right.

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I like it.

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She's got lemmings going on.

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It's lemmings adjacent in terms of quality.

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You remember those old Star Wars licensed games on the computer?

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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It looks like some of the early ones of that.

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Oh, boy.

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It's pretty good.

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It's pretty good on the shooter kind of thing.

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Yeah.

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That quality of graphics.

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Oh, boy.

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So she has that for Mark Richards.

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It's like a triangular spacecraft coming in pretty strong.

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I love it.

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And there's also a disclaimer.

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Oh, what's the disclaimer?

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Does she use cookies?

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No, because it scrolls through, again, much like Star Trek.

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It's just visual.

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So I have to read it.

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So I will now read you the disclaimer.

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Quote, because of the convoluted nature of the case against Mark and the fact that he

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is not convoluted.

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Coming out strong.

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I will say, the case against Mark is not convoluted.

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The murder, convoluted.

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Yes.

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The defense, convoluted.

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Yes.

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The case against him, pretty clean.

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Straightforward.

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Pretty clean.

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Straightforward.

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So because of the convoluted nature of the case against Mark and the fact that as a journalist

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I'm not allowed to use a recording device of any kind, not audio or video, during the

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interviews, I'm forced to rely on a dull pencil to scribble notes at the same time as asking

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questions.

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I mainly depend on my memory for reporting what Mark says during our interview.

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Rent lag.

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It's entirely possible for me to get some things wrong or even just slightly incorrect.

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However, since my work is heavily dependent on my ability to retain information in whatever

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form, I have, over time, come to find for the most part my memory recall is surprisingly

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accurate.

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Even in the disclaimer she has to brag?

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Yep.

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When it comes to any inaccuracies, I take full responsibility and simply ask you understand

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the constraints within which I work.

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Lastly, any statements about individuals mentioned here are based on statements by Mark Richards.

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Project Camelot is not responsible for the statements made by Mark Richards, which are

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then quoted below, nor for their accuracy.

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Further research and sources are available on my site and linked below.

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I've asked Mark Richards to follow up an overview of the case as he remembers it to supplement

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the following.

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This should be very helpful to augment my effort below.

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Once I receive this written report, I will include them here.

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That is way too long of a disclaimer to basically say, uh, nothing that you're about to see

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here is probably true at all, and also please don't sue me.

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Yeah.

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That led me to believe, like, oh, she's going to defame somebody.

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Oh, yeah, for sure.

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There's something in this.

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Mark Richards has to have called somebody a lizard who might come after him.

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We have some pedophile accusations coming up.

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Ooh, there it is.

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So this, like, disclaimer plays.

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I'm like, that was too long.

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And then guess what?

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There's another wall of text.

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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

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It might as well be because it just gives Mark's backstory.

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And I'm realizing that we have a lot of new listeners who come along, and a lot of them

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may not have heard our back episodes covering Carrie Cassidy's visits down to prison to

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interview a space weirdo.

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One of my favorite recurring situations.

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So I guess it'd probably be in everyone's benefit to speed, you know, get everyone up

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to speed on the story a little bit.

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Thanks, Carrie.

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So here is the completely non-skeptical version of the story that Carrie presents.

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OK.

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Quote, for over 30 years, Captain Mark Richards has been, and still is, a prisoner of the

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war between on and off planet races that have dominated Earth for centuries.

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He's an honorable officer in the Navy who, because of his rebellion against the Draco

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and Reptoids, in parentheses, the Luciferian Alliance.

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Of course.

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He's considered a threat to their operations.

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Naturally.

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He was framed for a murder he is accused of having masterminded while he was on a mission

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off planet in service to humanity.

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He was in the space A team.

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He was captain of a starship Enterprise type vessel, fighting the war against aliens bent

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on the takeover of planet Earth.

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I am the only journalist who has interviewed him in person while he's been in prison.

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Point of order, the starship Enterprise was not a warship.

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Nor could it talk.

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But they did have some...

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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But they weren't out there to do battle.

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No, no, no, their job was exploration.

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They were supposed to go further than man has ever gone, not fight Draco.

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Right, and not engage with things on weird levels.

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Yeah.

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So that's like, I was already exhausted by the time I got through all that text.

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Love it.

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I was like, what the fuck?

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And that's all before we even get to this point of all of our episodes.

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Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.

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Hi Carrie!

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I'm here to discuss my latest interview with Captain Mark Richards of the secret space

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program, or space command as some people call it.

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I...

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Fine, there's two names.

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I actually kind of like the audio now.

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It sounds like she's reporting from a bunker somewhere.

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You know, like she's gone into hiding.

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It's, something's up.

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I don't know what it is.

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Maybe she was recording from a backup computer or something like that.

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Yeah.

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Or she dropped her computer in the tub.

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I don't know.

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There's some excuse for this.

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I don't know.

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It's not forthcoming.

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And also the audio changes a little bit, and so like, get ready for like maybe six of these

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clips to sound better, and then it sounds like shit again.

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Fascinating.

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Just know that that's not your headphones, if you're listening out there.

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So, in this next clip, again it's a little bit more backstory.

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It's sort of Carrie talking about how she's been talking to Mark forever.

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Of course.

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And how, why can he say secret shit that other people can't say?

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Right.

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Why is that?

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She does not mention that it is because it's not true.

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No, that's not her angle.

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That's not her, okay.

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That's my angle.

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Gotcha.

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I am an investigative journalist, documentary filmmaker, and I have been visiting Mark for

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around five years, approximately once every six months, and doing an in-depth interview

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with him about the secret space program.

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And because he is in prison, this gives him the ability and leeway to discuss what is

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in essence way above top secret, and I believe the government allows him to talk simply because

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they believe he is discredited by the fact that he has been imprisoned for a murder he

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did not commit.

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I mean, I agree with the premise that he's discredited.

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Yeah, no, no, no.

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Absolutely.

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100%.

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100%.

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That's not news.

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We've heard her say that before, but again, this is just good getting up to speed kind

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of stuff.

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So whatever bullshit she's going to spin about these aliens and Mark's nonsense, that is

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why he can say these things, is because the government gave him clearance to do it because

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he's in prison, and they know that everyone will just see him as the crazy dude in prison,

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which we do.

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That's right.

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That doesn't sound right.

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Generally speaking, when the government sees somebody, even if they are in prison telling

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the truth, they go, let's call it Chelsea Manning all over them.

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Seems like it.

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They go hard.

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Right, right.

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Even if they are in prison.

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So this episode of Kerry's Mark Richards interview series is a little bit unlike all the rest

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and not just because of the terrible audio quality.

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It's different in that for whatever reason, Kerry decides to get into the details of why

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Mark is in prison on this episode.

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What?

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Yeah.

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Oh no.

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Yeah.

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Oh no.

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She's going to spin an absurd yarn that reinforces her narrative that he was off planet at the

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time.

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Right.

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In so many of their past rodeos, we've just been able to listen and laugh at the nonsense

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about raptor aliens killing people for chocolate and making cameos in Jurassic World and spider

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leadership, all that fun stuff.

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I forgot the Jurassic World cameos.

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That's great.

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They're all laughing at you.

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That is gold.

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You go watch Jurassic World, they're laughing at you because that's a real raptor.

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That's a real raptor there.

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Yeah.

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Not all of them though.

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Not all of them, just some.

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This episode is very different because in this episode Kerry is repeating lies about

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something that actually happened in the real world and as such, I can research that.

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Oh, that's why we've got the disclaimer here.

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No, she gives a disclaimer for, we'll get to why.

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Okay.

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But the fact that I can look into these things is not good news for the story that he was

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off planet and thus couldn't have masterminded a murder because he totally masterminded a

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murder.

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Yeah.

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100%.

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Couldn't you just get credit card receipts from around the day just to prove that he

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was not off planet?

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Well, obviously they could fake that.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The secret space program.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely they could fake it.

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Absolutely.

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So in this next clip, Kerry gets into some of the details and the particulars about the

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murder that Mark Richards 100% orchestrated.

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Yeah, totally.

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And it's not good because she gets some really base facts wrong, just like provable facts

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wrong so that this isn't good.

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He is said to be the mastermind of a so-called murder of an individual called Richard Baldwin

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and that murder was committed by two young boys at the time of the age of 18 and Richard

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Baldwin has been documented to be a pedophile.

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Whoa.

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That last part I think might be why there's a disclaimer because there isn't documentation

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that he was a pedophile.

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No.

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I can find no evidence of that if he was and great.

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You can say those things about him if you have that evidence.

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Sure.

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But I can see no evidence of it other than it just being asserted and that's not good.

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Yeah, that's usually not an issue though in 2019.

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You can pretty much say whatever you want.

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Kind of.

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Yeah.

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So now the factual problem is that Crossan Hoover and this guy, Andrew, whose last name

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I'm not going to use because he was a minor and he wasn't charged with a crime.

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Okay.

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The two of them were both 17, not 18.

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Gotcha.

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So the age is wrong.

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If she doesn't even know that and it is a big difference because the difference between

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17 and 18 in terms of the legal system for federal offenses.

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Kind of a big deal.

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It does matter.

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And so the fact that she's fucking up that is not good.

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That's pretty bad.

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Well, I assume that she's not fucking it up so much as just repeating verbatim what Mark

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told her.

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But Mark should know that too.

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Well, yeah, but Mark doesn't give a fuck.

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And Mark would probably say they were 18 anyways for the same reason that you just described.

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So it doesn't make it look like he's influencing minors to do stuff.

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Instead, he's just influencing minors to do stuff like get coal and all of that stuff.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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It's a mess.

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We'll get into some of his weirdness as we go along.

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I read a lot for this episode.

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I doubt she did.

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No.

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She doesn't know the ages of the murderer and the guy who went and burgled Richard's

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house.

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Yeah, she didn't even bother with listening to the dollop on it.

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We'll get into a lot of the details of this.

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There is a slight overlap with some of the stuff that is in the episode with the dollop,

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the Pendragon episode, but they didn't go into all of the angles of the case necessarily.

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So there's a lot of stuff that won't be overlapped, let's say.

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So in this next clip, Carrie starts talking about how this is all just really an attack

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on Mark's good name that's been going on.

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Oh, of course.

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His good name.

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They're trying to besmirch him.

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This particular interview is concerned with the case and some of the things that Mark

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wanted to bring forward about the cut case that are not out there.

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There's been some interest in the public and in various sectors and with a specific

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group that is attempting to discredit both Joanne Richards and Mark Richards as well

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as myself.

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At this point, I really thought she was talking about us.

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I was like, that sounds like us.

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That does sound like us.

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I definitely tried to discredit all of you.

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No, no, no.

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I'm taking all of you on.

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I was ready for her to be like, it's a podcast out of Chicago.

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It's not.

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It's a British dude.

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Oh.

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Goddamn Brits.

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In regard to the Mark Richards case, and so we are making an added effort here to reach

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the public with the accurate information.

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You're doing a bad job.

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So, there's this British guy who we'll talk about a little bit later and he is going to

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release a docuseries about the murder.

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Okay.

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About Baldwin's murder.

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That sounds interesting.

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I would watch that.

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He recently released a trailer for it that I watched and I recommend everybody go watch

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it.

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It looks awesome.

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Yeah.

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Because he talks to people across the spectrum of like, he talks to Mark Richards' ex-wife

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from the time like back when the murder happened.

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Uh-huh.

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He talks to Crossen Hoover, the guy who actually did the murder.

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Yeah.

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He talks to people who knew Mark in college.

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He talks to family members of the victim of Baldwin.

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He talks to someone, at least like from the trailer.

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Yeah.

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These people are all featured in the trailer.

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Someone else who is like a pen pal of Mark's in prison.

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Uh-huh.

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And she's like obscured her identity for privacy and stuff.

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Yeah, of course.

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But she's talking about how he's a total fraud and like he...

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Yeah.

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It's brutal.

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I take it they didn't talk to Kerry.

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Here's the thing.

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Oh, no.

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They did.

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Yes!

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Yes!

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So it's an entire like, the trailer is an entire string of people being like, uh, like...

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Oh, he did that shit.

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Mark's ex-wife being like, his behavior changed right after the murder.

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He became very weird and completely different.

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Yeah.

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Crossen Hoover being like, yeah, I mean, Mark told me to finish the job.

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Like he was standing right next to me when I did it and all this stuff.

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Wow.

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And then it cuts to Kerry and she's sitting there next to him and she's like, no, he is

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innocent.

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He is working with the raptors.

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It's just like, oh, no.

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I like it.

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So that's who Kerry is talking about right there.

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He was trying to discredit Mark and Joanne and her.

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And it's like, yes, yeah, you kind of...

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The truth has a way of discrediting you.

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That's so much fun.

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I love that.

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Why did...

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I cannot wait for it to come out.

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Why did they have...

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I can't wait on so many... any true crime documentary should have Kerry now.

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Making a murderer sucks now because it didn't have Kerry insisting that the government was

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run by raptors.

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I would be very interested to get her in more contexts.

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I'm not going to disagree with you on that.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Yeah, I look forward to that highly.

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And I've forgotten that guy's name, but I have it in my notes because he comes up later.

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And so we'll get to reference to that here in a little bit.

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In this next clip, Kerry talks about how she knows that Mark is legit.

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She just knows because she has a certain set of skills.

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Oh, no.

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I can also testify to the fact that as an investigative journalist specializing in above

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top secret information from whistleblowers, that I believe I am an excellent judge of

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character.

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And in this case, I can say that without any hesitation that Mark Richards is absolutely

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who he claims to be.

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Smash cut to pictures of Eddie Page.

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Smash cut to, I mean, Jessica Schaub, the reverse of that.

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Like she's a better person than Kerry assessed her to be.

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But like she is a terrible judge of people's character.

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She has no idea.

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The absolute worst.

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Yeah.

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And it's hard to find a statement that wrong.

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That entire statement is wall to wall incorrect.

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Spiritually, factually, intent wise.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There's just nothing.

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Everything about it.

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It's lousy from a T to B. Top to bottom.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Pile of trash.

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But it pales in comparison to this next clip.

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I feel like we're going to hear that a lot.

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Yeah.

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So we're not going to get to the murder just yet.

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As Kerry's introduced it, we've seen that she does not have a good grasp of just factual

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details.

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No.

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But what's interesting is Mark has an arch nemesis, it turns out, that we didn't know

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about.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Now I'm in.

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Yeah.

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I'm glad to hear about this nemesis.

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And this is a real guy.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I'm going to guess he has no idea who Mark Richards is.

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Or at least he never did have an idea who Mark Richards is because he's been dead for

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a while.

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Well, naturally.

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There are some key takeaways from this interview.

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First of all, Mark and his father's arch enemy, according to Mark, was James Jesus

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Angleton.

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And this is also the case for Kennedy.

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According to Mark, Angleton was instrumental in the death of John F. Kennedy and the framing

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of Captain Mark Richards.

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That was the only one that I knew.

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That was the one I knew for effect.

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Of course it was James who killed JFK.

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Angel Angleton.

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Yeah.

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Who is this guy?

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He had no inner intelligence for the CIA until 1975.

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Ah.

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But he was retired by the time Mark was, I don't know, 14?

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I was going to say.

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Mark was 29 in 1982 and he committed that murder.

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And so what would it have been in 75?

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That would have been seven years earlier?

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Yeah.

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It would have been like 22 when this dude retired from the CIA.

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Well, that was the first time that he finally had the chance to engage with his father's

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nemesis.

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This is a multi-generational fight across this.

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Oh, that's a good point.

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I imagine that the guy has a son, right?

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Angleton?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And actually two of his daughters came under the sway of a guru.

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I want more details than everybody.

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It's such a side issue that I didn't look into it.

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But on his Wikipedia page, in the personal life section, two of his daughters have converted

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to following a swami.

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Cool.

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I like it.

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Cool.

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I like it.

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The autobiography of a yogi.

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I've read it.

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I'm going to tell you this right now.

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I don't give a shit about this.

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In terms of stuff that I care about in Mark's story, the idea that he was set up by the

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CIA and this guy also was instrumental in killing Kennedy, it's too much.

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It's honestly too much.

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I don't understand.

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It doesn't matter.

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I'm more frustrated because I don't know where the Dutchman is in all of this.

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The Dutchman had to have been alive when JFK was...

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That's the Dutchman.

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That's his dad.

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No, his dad was...

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I thought his grandfather was the Dutchman.

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Dutchman is his dad.

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Dutchman is his dad?

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Oh, okay.

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Two of them fought side by side at the Battle of Dulce.

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You know that.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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I apologize for getting...

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Yeah.

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I apologize for forgetting.

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Yeah.

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No, that's...

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Ellis is the Dutchman.

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Ellis is the Dutchman.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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We have his real name now because it does come up in some of the news articles about

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his son's murder.

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Yeah, that does sound right.

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Of his son doing a murder.

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About his son murdering.

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Right.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I got you.

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His dad was a major in the services.

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He was actually a military man and all that stuff, but all the rest of it seems ludicrous.

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His whole backstory is complete horseshit.

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But the reason that I don't care about this is I don't want to spend the next, I don't

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know, days of my life trying to figure out if this Angleton killed Kennedy.

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I don't want to do that.

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I think the work has been put in already.

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But that's a waste of my time.

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Exactly.

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And then further, I don't really care to do some sort of a thing where I'm defending the

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CIA.

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Or anything like that.

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Absolutely not.

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Especially with the CIA in the 70s and 80s.

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Yeah, no.

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I'm fine with them.

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I don't care.

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Blame them for killing Kennedy.

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I'm cool with that.

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He's just trying to hitch his wagon to that team of anti-CIA-

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I was going to say.

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It sounds more like he just read a book about the JFK assassination.

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Yes.

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Was like, oh man, I got to piggyback on that.

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Why haven't I already been doing that?

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Yeah.

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So that's one of the takeaways is that the Angleton who killed Kennedy is responsible

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for Mark being set up and put in prison.

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Instead of Mark orchestrating a murder and really fucking up the cover up.

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Yeah, that would be a bad idea.

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But there's two more takeaways that Kerry has and here's the first one.

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The second takeaway, major takeaway from this interview is that there are six alien-derived

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AIs currently messing with Earth and they do not have our best interests in mind.

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She doesn't elaborate on this.

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I like the way she puts it.

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They're messing with Earth.

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It's not like they're malicious.

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They're just fucking around.

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Aliens developed an AI with a sense of humor.

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They developed Tom Green as an AI.

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Their bum is on the Swedish or something.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I really wish I knew more about what she was talking about, but it is not elaborated on.

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It's just thrown out there.

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It does come back up later, but not with any greater details.

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Except that this AI is alien in nature, I guess.

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Why do they need six?

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Do they have names?

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Some of them are competing.

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Wow!

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I don't know.

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Don't ask me.

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Don't you dare fucking ask me.

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I want to know.

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The six of them are somehow, some are on some team, some are on others.

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Of course they are.

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But they're all messing with us.

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Who cares?

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Irrelevant.

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I love it.

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I love it.

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Banish.

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Just toss it in there.

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Six AIs.

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No names.

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No details.

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They're fucking with us.

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Yeah.

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So the next takeaway, it's not really, I don't think she lists it as a takeaway, but I think

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it's a takeaway.

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And maybe it's just because I took a Pilates class and I'm going back to the gym.

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Of course.

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But it's always great to hear that Mark is getting healthy.

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Oh good.

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Update on prison life and Mark's health.

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His health has markedly improved.

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He's in training for a new job.

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He's head of the optical lab that supplies all eyewear for Medicaid.

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It is a highly technical job supervising around 100 men as well as a number of robots that

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operate the machinery.

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He is also being trained on computers.

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The last time he was around computers on a job in prison was where they were using very

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old software, he says.

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He's also teaching a screenwriting class and a group of inmates have 30 finished screenplays

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that he believes might become the basis for a TV series not unlike Breaking Bad or Orange

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is the New Black.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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Now that's a good fit.

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That's a good fit.

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I like that.

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That's where I put him in prison.

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Absolutely.

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Have him teach a screenwriting class.

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That's great.

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Yeah.

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He's clearly been able to work, like pull a yarn here for this story for a really long

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time.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think that maybe he would need some editors or like a workshop setting to get some of

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these plot holes out of there that we've stumbled into over and over and over again.

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Might need a little bit of punch up.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So that's great.

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I mean he's getting some creative stuff going, screenplays.

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That class has 30 completed screenplays.

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30.

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I want to get my hands on those.

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I want one at least.

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I beg of Mark to send them to us so we can do a staged dramatic reading of them.

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We will.

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We will.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Guaranteed.

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We will do everything we can to get you an agent.

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We don't have agents.

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No, no, no, no.

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But we'll get you one.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Sometimes you have to sacrifice for the greater good.

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Getting trained on computers, which is good.

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That's nice.

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So we move on.

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In this next clip, Carrie gets into the murder and I will be able to discuss this more in

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depth and where her lies are because she is way off base in terms of like reality.

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And oh man, I read a lot of stuff.

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Good for him for bringing in some eyewear to everybody on Medicaid.

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Providing all of it.

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All of it.

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Bullshit.

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By himself.

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Bullshit.

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Overseeing a team of 100?

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I don't think they'd put him in charge of anybody.

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I feel like-

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He'd get them to murder people.

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Right.

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As we find out about in this next clip.

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The murder and the trial.

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Mark states that he doesn't really know what happened because he wasn't there.

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And the DA was given most or all of his info from this mysterious character whose name

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is Andrew Campbell who was supposedly at the scene of the crime, took part in the murder

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but was never charged.

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So here we have Carrie beginning to try and wade into the waters of discussing how Mark

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is innocent of the murder that he's in prison for.

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And she does not get off to a strong start.

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The first problem is that Mark absolutely was there the night of the murder.

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Forensic evidence indicates that he was and his alibi changed repeatedly whenever the

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police revealed new details that contradicted his story.

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He would have one story and then they'd bring up a detail that they knew and he'd be like,

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well, and then he'd try to be like, well, I lied to you about that but it was just because

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I was trying to, I didn't want to admit that I had done this innocuous thing that I'm ashamed

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of.

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That sort of bullshit.

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What never changed and what was entirely consistent with forensic evidence and every sworn statement

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except Mark's is the confession of Cross and Hoover, the 17-year-old employee of Mark's

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failing contracting company who physically killed Richard Baldwin.

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In order to explain just how dumb Carrie sounds in that last clip, I need to probably give

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you a little refresher course on the actual murder.

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On July 6th, 1982, Mark Richards and Cross and Hoover lured Richard Baldwin, allegedly

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a good friend of Mark's, to a garage under the pretense of looking at some of his classic

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cars.

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Baldwin, age 36, owned a vintage car restoration shop called The Classic Car, so he had a bunch

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of cool, really rare cars that he was working on in the shop, which makes this ruse not

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seem as crazy as it might initially sound.

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When they arrived, Mark and Cross both knew they were going to kill and rob Baldwin, ultimately

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planning to sell off his cars and machinery to fund a plan to take over Marin County.

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I'm intentionally going to ignore that aspect of this, where Mark was planning to create

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a kingdom for himself called Pendragon, specifically because Carrie is talking about the court

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case.

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And the court largely ignored Mark's imperial aspirations, mostly because it was completely

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unnecessary to prove his guilt.

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They were very specific about this isn't really relevant.

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See, this is the problem with the court system.

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They do not want to have fun, because they could have had a great time.

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I know, but it would have been so much more work for no added charge, really.

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You already got him on murder.

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Yeah, but fun.

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Come on.

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So when they got into the garage, Mark gave Crossen a sign, at which point Crossen hit

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Baldwin multiple times in the head with a baseball bat.

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With a sign?

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Oh.

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He didn't give them a physical sign.

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No, no, no, no.

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You misunderstood.

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They had murdered comma now on him.

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No, no, no.

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Crossen then stabbed Baldwin in the torso, but his weapon broke off.

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According to a recent interview Crossen gave, Mark then gave him a screwdriver and told

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him to finish the job.

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Mark isn't a goofy, eccentric space weirdo.

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He's the sort of cold-blooded monster who can orchestrate and calmly watch someone he

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presented as a friend be brutally murdered.

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Richard Baldwin was in Mark's wedding.

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Wow.

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They were friends, and he was there.

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He was in Mark's wedding.

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And handed Crossen Hoover a screwdriver and told him to finish murdering him.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah.

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He was a psychopath level shit.

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Yes.

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He was in his wedding.

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Yep.

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Well, I'm not sure to the extent.

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He might have been an usher or something like that, but he was involved in the wedding party.

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Even if he was invited to the wedding, you don't kill somebody.

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Right.

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And that was only three years prior.

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Jesus.

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So now Mark was charged with first-degree murder and two counts of burglary.

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The reason there are two counts of burglary is where the other 17-year-old, Andrew, comes

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in.

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Prior to the murder, Mark had Andrew stay in Baldwin's house to take an inventory of

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things to steal.

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That was the extent of Andrew's involvement in the crime, but he probably was aware of

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what was going on.

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Well, yeah.

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The story that Carrie is telling is literally only supported by Mark's word, which is very

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unreliable.

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Obviously, I thought Mark was a total liar and a douche from the first time we talked

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about him, but in preparation for this episode, I read a ton of transcripts, including a 131-page

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interview with the police that he gave right after he was arrested.

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And I've got to say that knowing what I know now, it's even more embarrassing that Carrie

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believes a word that he says.

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So he didn't even mention the secret space program in the original interview.

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No.

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He doesn't mention...

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He's trying to lie so hard in that interview.

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It's so embarrassing when you read over it, because the police are just being like, hey

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man, we know what happened.

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No, no, no, no.

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You don't know what happened.

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We're giving you a chance.

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I'm going to tell you the real story.

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Carrie is saying that Andrew was inside and at the scene of the murder, and he wasn't.

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He was not.

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He was at his house.

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He was at Baldwin's house getting the burglary started, which is why there's two charges

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of burglary, because they burgled the house and burgled the garage.

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So that's a big piece of this.

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So these interviews with the police are insane.

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So his interview is with two homicide detectives, one from the sheriff's office and one from

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San Rafael Police Department.

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Throughout the entire thing, the cops are trying to get Mark to understand that they've

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completely solved the case, even before entering the room.

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They keep trying to stress to him that they're only talking to him because they want to give

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him a chance to do the right thing, and he never does.

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There's a 131 page interview of them walking in saying, first off, we know what happened.

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It starts with implying that they know what happened, and then 30 pages in or so they're

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like, I don't believe you.

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So they started off with, we're playing the interview interrogation game where we're like,

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we know more than you know, and that whole thing.

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And then later on, they're just like, dude, fuck off.

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We know what happened.

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Stop it.

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We don't even want to be here anymore.

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They are talking about how they've been up all night solving the very case they're talking

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about.

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Mark's first story is that he knows nothing.

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He wasn't involved at all, and he hasn't heard anything.

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The cops and Mark go back and forth, and no one's really enjoying themselves until about

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page 36 of the interview when the sheriff's detective says, quote, I don't believe you.

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I don't believe what you're saying.

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I just feel that I'm wasting my time.

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And if you and I can't be candid with one another, I think you ought to at least allow

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me the opportunity to go back to my office and go to work.

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Like that.

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That's a solid quote.

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And that's 36 pages in?

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There are relatively, there's roughly a hundred more to go.

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Oh boy.

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And up to that point, it's all just them letting him hang himself, like with these lies that

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they know are lies.

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Of course.

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So at that point, after that sheriff, that detective says this, the other detective butts

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in, he says, quote, in addition to what Rich is saying, I have to tend to agree very strongly

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with what you're saying.

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These guys are, point of order, I would like to pop in and say, I also think you're an

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idiot and I hate you.

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These dudes are not even playing good cop, bad cop.

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They're playing sick of the bullshit cop and equally sick of the bullshit cop.

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They're on such the same page, it's awesome.

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So they threatened to leave since Mark is wasting their time and they make it clear

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to him that if they leave, he isn't going to get another chance to talk to them.

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His one opportunity to work with the police will be gone if they leave that room.

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So Mark keeps begging them not to leave and each time the cops reach their point of annoyance,

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they say they're going to leave and magically Mark's story starts to change.

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Odd.

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Yeah.

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Odd.

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Because he's trying to get, and he keeps saying stuff like, I know that you're going to leave

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and I just, I don't have enough time to convince you that I'm innocent and all this stuff.

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They're like, we don't want you to convince us that you're innocent, we want you to tell

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the truth.

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And they keep saying stuff to him like, you understand that there's literally nothing

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you can say to us that will get you out of this.

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They keep saying stuff like that and he's like, yeah, I understand.

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Like you know.

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One more thing though.

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You know there's not a magic word you can say that will convince us to let you not leave

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in handcuffs.

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Uh, excuse me.

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To will king?

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Oh, damn it.

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That's just the judge, right?

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Yeah.

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So the detectives at one point are asking Mark about what rumors he's heard on the street

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about the murder because he starts by having like this, this angle of like, I didn't, I

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didn't, I don't know anything.

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I haven't heard anything.

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But as they threatened to leave and he starts to have this like a shit, I better start pretending

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that I was lying about something earlier in order to adjust my statements.

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He starts trying to throw Cross and Hoover under the bus.

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Okay.

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As he's called a colloquially.

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Did he try, did he try the like, I couldn't have done it.

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I was, I didn't want to tell you cause I was sleeping.

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I was cheating on my wife.

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He didn't try that one.

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That's a solid one.

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No, he doesn't.

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I like that lie.

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He doesn't do that.

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But, uh, so by the time he starts implying that he's heard that Crossie did it.

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Um, and so, uh, they want to know specifically about the rumors that he's heard on the street

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about the murder.

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He relates that he heard that Crossie had committed the murder and was telling people

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that Mark was involved and planned it.

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So Mark is saying that he's aware that that's the story that's going around the street.

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I didn't know that earlier though.

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Of course not.

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I just heard that on the streets.

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So the exchange that follows is this detective, who'd you hear that from?

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Mark?

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I'm not, wait a minute.

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I'm trying to think.

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So, you know, uh, I'm sure you already know and I'm not trying to lie.

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Okay.

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Detective.

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Detective.

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We sure do.

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And it's not that hard.

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They all work for you.

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Mark.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I know.

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There's so many points like that.

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They're just like, you are fucking busted.

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I am not trying to lie.

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Yeah.

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I need you to know that as soon as possible says something that a liar is saying.

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Yeah.

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So there's a great moment on page 76.

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This is probably my favorite moment in the entire interview, uh, where the detectives,

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uh, just drop it on him.

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It goes like this.

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Mark quote, I'm trying, okay, now I appreciate you think I'm feeding you a bunch of crock,

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but uh, and you think that you caught me in two or three or a dozen lies or whatever,

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but I want you to, and then dot, dot, dot detective.

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We have Mark, all right.

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Gotcha detective.

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We have, and we still gotcha knock on the table and go, you're busted later.

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They try and explain the problem to him quote, this is the detective.

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You murdered somebody Mark.

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The problem is you fucked up too many times and you associated with fools with very immature

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fools and very dangerous fools.

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To that Mark replies, yeah, there is an acceptance of his own culpability, but he's trying to

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wiggle out of it through the entire hundred 31 pages of this interview and they keep trying

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to make it clear to him like you are making this worse.

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You know that we know things and you know that we know that you know things they're

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trying to, they're not fucking with him or trying to coerce a confession or anything.

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They're just like, I'm, you are really, you're on my last nerve.

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But isn't that, isn't that what they say about psychopaths like this is that it, it doesn't

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matter.

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They, they think they're so much smarter than you that it's like, whatever it is you're

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saying, that's fine, but I am so much smarter than you, I can, I can find a way through

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this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So that interview is really, it was really fascinating because throughout the entire

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time that we've been covering Mark and Carrie's interviews, we've never heard his words.

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We've really only heard Carrie's interpretation of them and stuff.

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And so you could imagine that he's a slick talker and all this stuff turns out he's just

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an idiot.

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I mean, based on this interview, it seems like it, it's really hard not to walk away

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from that thinking like he's not the, he's not a master manipulator.

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The people who fall for him are just stupid as shit.

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Well he has had almost 40 years to really get the story right this time though.

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He still has.

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So she talks about in this next clip, Carrie talks about this Andrew gentleman, the 17

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year old who was at Baldwin's house while the murder was going on.

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And she has an interesting and bad theory about him.

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Okay.

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Andrew may be an assumed name.

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Joanne Richards, Mark's wife had tracked him down and he lives somewhere in central California.

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That's pretty fucked up.

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That's no good.

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Here's what I would say.

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Andrew isn't an assumed name.

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That was his name when he was 17 fucking years old and Mark Richards lured him into a murder

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plot.

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The idea that he was operating under an assumed name is like a junior in high school on the

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off chance that he'd have the opportunity to help set up a notable space captain at

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the behest of the deep state is completely fucking absurd.

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What's not absurd is the idea that in the 30 or so years since the murder, Andrew may

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have changed his name because of people like Carrie and Joanne Richards.

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Yeah, I would say so.

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I don't think that Carrie, I don't think that Carrie should be using Andrew's full name.

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He was a minor who wasn't charged with a crime and as such on a legal level, I believe his

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privacy should be protected.

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His name does appear in legal filings and in news stories from back then, so I know

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it's not a secret.

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His name appears in Mark's unsuccessful appeal that was filed on April 28th, 1988, but according

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to journalistic ethics, I think it's inappropriate to identify him, so I'm going to have bleeped

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out all the times that she uses his full name, just in case.

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Soul breaker.

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Something like that.

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Yeah.

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But what Carrie and Joanne are doing isn't some kind of act of renegade journalism.

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This is targeted harassment of a private citizen who almost certainly just wants to live their

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life in peace and probably deeply regrets their involvement in this murder.

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Absolutely.

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30 years prior.

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Yeah, no doubt.

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Who wasn't charged with anything and cooperated with the state after the fact, after realizing,

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oh shit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We mentioned earlier that Mark wanted to take over Marin County.

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Yes, of course he did.

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He wanted to create a kingdom for himself.

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Who wouldn't?

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But look, dude, it's a misunderstanding.

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How is that a misunderstanding?

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Because Mark was writing a book called Imperial Marin.

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Okay.

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Right?

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And so Carrie gets-

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So the plan wasn't a plan, it was part of the plot of his novel.

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Right.

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Gotcha.

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And so Carrie gets into that in this next clip.

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I have two clear motives that were stated in the trial or during the length of the trial.

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And I do want to interject that.

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Motive one is based on the science fiction book, Imperial Marin.

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And I will put the book cover here and be quoting from the back of the book.

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Mark was writing, which took place in the future where, as the story goes, Marin County

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has become a place, quote, environmentally sound and an absolutely democratic and free

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society.

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Oh, that's nice.

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Unquote.

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It concerns a planet-wide society led by hero kings-

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Wait, how's that democratic?

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Hero kings?

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How's that totally democratic if you're run by hero kings?

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A planet-wide society run by hero kings.

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Seems contradictory.

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What's the term limit on hero kings?

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I think it's a lifetime appointment.

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It's a lifetime appointment?

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It might be also sort of handed down generationally.

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Could be?

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Who were focused on creating a better future.

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This novel, actually a series of seven books, was misrepresented in the courtroom and the

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press as a takeover of Marin County.

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Easy mistake to make.

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It's very simple to make that kind of mistake.

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Of course.

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So Carrie Cassidy, intrepid reporter and researcher, is here.

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She's telling her audience that one of the two motives for Mark's crime that were argued

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in court was that he was planning to take over Marin County.

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And it's just an innocent misunderstanding of this sci-fi novel.

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It was a manuscript.

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I should give you full disclosure here.

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I tried to buy a copy of Imperial Marin for this episode because I'm positive that it's

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full of rambling horseshit that would be really fun to discuss.

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Yeah, I would love to read that.

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Unfortunately, there is a page for it up on Amazon, but there are no copies available.

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That does not surprise me.

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As far as I can tell, the only place you can buy a copy is from Joanne Richards, and there's

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no way I'm giving her a goddamn penny.

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Anyway, what Carrie is saying is completely stupid.

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The court specifically decided not to even argue that Mark was trying to take over Marin

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County or charge him with a crime for that because, like I said earlier, they didn't

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need to.

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They had him dead to rights on a murder and felt that pretty much took care of the Mark

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Richards problem.

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It kind of seems like it would.

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Yeah.

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Reading from Mark's unsuccessful appeal from 1988, where he tried to argue that the jury

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was prejudiced against him because he was planning to take over the county they lived

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in, which would tend to...

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But now that kind of, I mean, imagine that it worked.

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Then it's like, well, you just admitted that you were trying to take over the county there,

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so I guess we'll just charge you with that.

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Yeah, I think it's way tougher to argue that in court.

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Right.

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And I think it would require a death penalty, too.

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The idea of trying to plan a coup.

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Traitor?

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Yeah, I think that also would really complicate matters in a way you just don't want to broach.

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But so reading from this appeal, it clearly states, quote, the jury was instructed to

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consider the Pendragon evidence solely to the extent that it tends to establish the

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nature of the relationship between the defendant on the one hand and Andrew and Cross and Hoover

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on the other.

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You are not called upon to decide whether any aspect of the Pendragon activity was illegal,

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nor should you assume that it was.

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The defendant is not accused of plotting to overthrow Marin County, but of the crimes

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of murder and burglary.

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I like the idea that you should not assume that...

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And don't assume that taking over Marin County is a crime.

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You don't know that.

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Maybe it's fine.

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But it's important to maintain that for the preservation of like...

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Absolutely.

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Because otherwise you would unfairly bias people against him, most likely.

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Of course.

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I like the idea that there is some bylaw in Marin County specifically that is like, it

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turns out it's not a crime to overthrow Marin County.

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It's just like one of those old, like you can't kiss a horse kind of laws.

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Can't kiss a horse on Tuesday.

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You can overthrow Marin County.

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That just happens.

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So the prosecution was pretty careful about the whole Pendragon plot because they knew

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it was messy, to put it simply.

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They didn't need the overthrowing Marin part to prove their case.

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All they needed it for was to establish that Marc was running a group of some sort, and

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they cross in Hoover and Andrew were in it.

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And they did establish that.

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They did.

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The Pendragon plot was never used to establish a motive in court for the murder.

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That's a straw man argument that Marc uses to pretend he was railroaded.

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And Kerry is just repeating it, having done no actual research into the case.

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Of course.

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It's not hard to see vague parallels with Alex's current legal situation when you hear

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stuff like that.

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He's getting sued for his coverage of Sandy Hook, and in his deposition, it's pretty clearly

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established that in early 2013, he based his horrible reporting on things Wolfgang Halbig

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said, which he never investigated or fact-checked himself before presenting them as truth.

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Similarly, Kerry is just taking the word of a lunatic as the gospel truth without fact-checking

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a single bit of it.

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Granted, the stakes of the game Kerry is playing are way lower, but it deserves mention of

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how these people operate in pretty much the same way.

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Just take whatever these crazy people say and then pretend that it's vetted truth.

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Another interesting parallel with Infowars in their world pops up in Marc's failed appeal.

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The court did find that some of the references to Pendragon in the initial trial went beyond

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the intended scope of what they were there for, but didn't constitute any sort of miscarriage

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of justice, and that it didn't really affect the outcome of the case.

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They say, quote, we agree with the appellant that some of the Pendragon evidence went beyond

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the purpose for which it was admitted.

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Such is the reference attributed to the appellant about excluding blacks in the new form of

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government.

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All right.

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That's right.

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Marc's conceived utopian kingdom would be a white nationalist state.

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Okay.

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This should come as no surprise to anybody.

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Nope.

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You see, Marc's a little bit of a racist.

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No.

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In his interview with the police, he describes the salesman from Montgomery Ward who sold

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the video camera as, quote, tall guy, brown hair.

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He might have had some Mexican blood in him.

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That doesn't... There's no reason to add that.

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There's... That's... It was 82.

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That's speculative and stupid.

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It doesn't make any sense to throw that in there.

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Turns out Eddie Page is not the exception to the rule in terms of Project Camelot guests.

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I'm starting to think a lot of these kooks are all racists.

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There's a lot of overlap.

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Yeah.

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They didn't use the overthrow of Marin or whatever misinterpretation Kerry could be

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arguing about this imperial Marin book.

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Sure.

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They didn't use that as a motive in court at all.

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That is a false argument that Kerry is making and is just horseshit.

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There's a second motive that Kerry... Remember she said there was two?

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Yes, there were two.

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That was just the first one.

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Second one?

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Clones.

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Nope.

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They're unreliable.

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God damn it.

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Second one though is very accurate as a motive.

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And a second motive attributed to Mark is a motive in which they claim Mark needed the

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money.

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The DA claimed based on the testimony from Andrew that Mark masterminded the murder for

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the sum of $2,000.

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Not enough.

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This was apparently substantiated based on a paper.

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The $2,000 number is just the amount of cash I believe that was taken from his house.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because he was planning on selling all the cars and all of that stuff.

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Right.

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And the amount that he would have stood to make off of the plot itself was much more

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than $2,000.

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Right.

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And he would own Marin County.

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And one of the reasons that he was... Baldwin was selected as a-

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Hero king.

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No, as a victim, is that he was known for having large amounts of money on him and at

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the garage.

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Gotcha.

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And a large cash-

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He did some cash business.

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Large cash, cashes.

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Yeah.

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Cash, cashes?

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Cash, cashes.

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All right.

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And his attorney, Shapiro, and we'll talk more about him later, got Mark to sign after

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he was jailed and when he actually had no visible means of support.

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So this, just really quick, what she's trying to say, because she spells it out in a later

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part, but it's not worth listening to it twice, but she's trying to make the argument that

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Mark's lawyer, this Shapiro guy, what he did is he made Mark sign a piece of paper when

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he got into court that said that he was financially destitute.

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Ah.

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And here he is making the argument that he only signed that because he was once he was

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in prison.

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At the time, yeah.

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But he wasn't before he went into prison, he was flushed with cash.

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Of course.

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So that's nonsense and completely stupid.

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Yeah.

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That's the argument she's trying to make.

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But it was simply untrue prior to the death of Baldwin.

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In fact, Mark states that Mark's wife at the time, Karen, during the year before the murder

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had spent over half a million dollars on furniture alone.

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You'll notice that she said, Mark said that Mark's ex-wife spent that much money on furniture.

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There's nothing at all that establishes this other than Mark saying it.

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And it's absolutely not true.

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Yeah.

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Where would you even put half a million dollars worth of furniture?

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Ridiculous.

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Ridiculous.

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Ah, Mark states he was making far more money than was possible through his job as a contractor.

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I thought he was off the planet.

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Strangely, his ex-wife Karen, who reportedly has a problem with alcohol at this time.

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Oh boy.

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He does not seem to recall or has never been questioned on how often Mark was absent from

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home during their marriage.

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I would go with a lot.

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In reality, Mark's contracting business was a cover for money earned fighting in the secret

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space command.

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Well, naturally.

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I mean, you're going to, you know, you're going to pay a guy for the space command.

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Well, yeah.

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If he's in the secret space command.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So in the lead up to the murder, Mark was telling Cross and Hoover and Andrew that Richard

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Baldwin owed him a lot of money and he was getting sick and tired of Baldwin not paying

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up.

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Mark continued to use this narrative in his post arrest interview with those detectives

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claiming that he'd done some home improvement work for Baldwin, which he was owed payment

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for, and that it was tight times money wise because he wasn't getting this money that

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he needed from Baldwin and that was bothering him.

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But he was presenting it in such a way as like, if I killed him, I couldn't get the

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money back from him that I needed.

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So it was almost exculpatory that he owed me money, why would I kill him if he owed

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me money?

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He's an asset to me alive that he's not to me dead.

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Unless you're stealing all of his stuff.

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So in his trial, it was shown that, in fact, Mark owed Baldwin a large sum of money.

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Surprise.

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As Baldwin was one of the main creditors for Mark's contracting business.

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Baldwin had floated Mark some credit and Mark was unable to pay him back and this is pretty

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firmly established in court as part of the motive for the murder, which is what, I mean,

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so Kerry's right.

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Baldwin is an actual motive for the murder that was presented in court.

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And actually it's one of the reasons that he got hit with a much harder sentence is

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because it's a special circumstance of first degree murder with the intention of financial

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enrichment.

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And the qualification for that is something along the lines of like, you're trying to

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get money, but an essential piece of getting that money is killing somebody.

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And because you're trying to get money and you accidentally killed somebody, or not accidentally,

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I mean like incidentally killed somebody along the way.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There's a difference between that and this is much worse.

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So Mark's contracting business was not a front from him fighting in the secret space

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program because if it were, it would have been set up like a front.

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When a secretive government entity creates a cutout front business, they make sure it

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looks like a real business.

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It's kind of important for the facade to actually work because you don't want to raise suspicions.

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Of course.

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I'd like to read to you a passage from page 36 of the interview Mark did with detectives

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after he was arrested.

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Detective, what's the name of your company?

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Mark, I don't really have one.

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We just work third time doing anything we can.

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Detective, so you're not in the yellow pages.

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Mark, no, no, I'm much too small for that.

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I'm in the white pages?

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If this were a secret space program front, the very least they would have done is come

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up with a goddamn name for their front business.

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It was called Captain Mark Richards, secret space program guy.

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No self-respecting secret space program is going to be like, all right, look, we got

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to pay for this superhero space captain, but obviously we can't just do it directly.

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So we need a business to funnel payment through.

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How about we have him run a completely unregistered odd jobs business where he employs miners?

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Sounds good.

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Should we name the company?

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Nah, seems unnecessary.

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Come on, come on.

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What are we going to do?

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What are we doing here?

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What bullshit.

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Why would we name it?

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The very idea of a secret space program operating this way is insulting.

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They have to be secret.

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It makes perfect sense because even the business has to be secret.

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Why would you name a business that has to be secret, Dan?

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Do we have any evidence he ever actually did any work for anyone ever?

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Based on his testimony, he fixed a fence.

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Okay, see, there we go.

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But also Hoover might have knocked over that fence.

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It's a little complicated.

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There's a lot of ins and outs.

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Of course.

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A lot of ins and outs of that 130 pages.

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Why would I expect even the slightest odd job to be simple?

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Of course.

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It's very odd.

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It's also a job that most likely they created the need for in the first place, naturally.

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So in that interview with police, Mark even admits while still trying to pretend he had

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nothing to do with the murder that after he realized Baldwin was probably dead, which

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he knew he was dead at the point of the story that he's talking about, he's presenting it

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as, I had a good reason to think he was probably dead.

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Even in that mindset, which is a fake mindset, but he's presenting it as that was his mindset,

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he went through Baldwin's house to try and find things to settle the debt he was pretending

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Baldwin owed him.

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At that point...

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Well, that's just a smart move.

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After he admits that, the detective explains to Mark that he has basically just confessed

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to grave robbing.

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Well, yeah, but I mean, he wasn't even...

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It was like...

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I mean, it wasn't a grave.

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He was in a garage.

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It's garage robbing.

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The issue is that the detectives started to talk about various details that Mark knows

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or has to know that they know, but he thinks they might be bluffing, so they bring up the

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safe that he took and stuff like that.

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He's like, well, yeah.

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I mean, look, I went in.

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I didn't want to tell you this because I know it's fucked up, but I went in to his house

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after I figured he was already dead and I took that, but it was just because he owed

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me so much money.

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I needed to make back my money.

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And then...

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That's a very innocent sounding story.

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Right, because he needs to roll with whatever details are being presented to him.

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That's the skill that he has, and if you read that 131 page police interview, you get a

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real good sense of what he's doing to Carrie whenever she comes and visits because she'll

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bring up something about raptors or mantis beings, and then he will adjust whatever his

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story is to accommodate whatever she's bringing to the proceedings.

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He's throwing in some improv training.

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That's why Carrie, whenever she talks about him, he validates so many of the things that

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I already know from my research, therefore he's the greatest whistleblower of all time.

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Of course.

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Or he's a liar.

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He's telling you what you want to hear.

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He is an inveterate sociopath liar.

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And a racist.

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Yes.

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And a grave robber.

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And a murderer.

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Mark also admitted that he used Baldwin's credit card after he was dead, but insisted

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that he had permission to do so, because that's how Baldwin...

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Baldwin came to him earlier and was like, hey, if I ever die, please feel free to use

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my credit card.

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No, because Mark was still pretending that he wasn't sure that he was dead.

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Oh, okay.

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At the point that he was using the credit card.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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And the reason that he was fined to use it was because he owed him so much money, and

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that's how Baldwin was going to pay off some of his debt, was like, I have a $1,000 limit

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on this card, so you can buy $1,000 worth of shit at Montgomery Ward or whatever, and

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then I will pay that off over time.

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It'll give me time for the money, which is all bullshit.

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He just stole his credit card.

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Sure.

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And started buying stuff after he was dead.

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Sure.

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Mind boggling.

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From somebody who may or may not have Mexican blood in them, who worked at Montgomery Ward,

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who sold Mark a video camera using Baldwin's credit card.

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Yeah, gotcha.

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Real good stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Also, Mark...

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I don't know.

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I mean, it was 82, man.

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It was an exciting time to have a video camera.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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You're right.

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Mark's wife at the time of the murder, Karen, has gone on record and testified that she

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was surprised by the money that Mark was spending in the days immediately after the murder,

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like when he bought a boat to take the body out into the bay, that sort of shit.

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Bought a boat with the money that he took from Baldwin to try and dispose of Baldwin's

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body.

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Wow.

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Mark bought a boat, like I said, some jewelry, and that video camera, and she had no idea

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where the money was coming from, because his business was not going well, and he owed a

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ton of money to creditors like Baldwin.

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She also had said that his behavior got really weird after the murder, including him repeatedly

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asking her if she would, quote, always love him no matter what.

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Which is a bad sign.

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Oh, boy.

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Oh, boy.

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That's a sign of guilt.

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Eesh.

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Eesh.

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You're going to hear some very bad things about me.

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Right.

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That I did.

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Before I tell you what those are, though, I'm going to need confirmation that you will

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always love me.

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Thank you.

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Thank you in advance.

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I find that behavior suspicious, but feel free to draw your own conclusions.

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I will not decide for you.

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Hey, honey, just as a pure hypothetical, let's say I were to kill somebody.

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How would you feel?

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Go.

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Maybe I wouldn't be for it.

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Right.

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But would you still love me?

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No.

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Okay.

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How about this?

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I killed somebody.

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So in this next clip, Carrie is just rambling about nonsense because she wants to present

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the idea that Mark was the victim of a conspiracy.

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Sure.

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And I know there's a lot of stuff about the case here at the beginning, but I assure you

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we'll get to some crazy bullshit at the end.

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Wonderful.

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But she talks a lot about the case.

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This is an added note.

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I believe Richard Baldwin was selected as a victim by the team within the military and

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at the highest levels of power in Britain and the US responsible for framing Mark Richards.

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I've come to the conclusion that the murder was orchestrated with Hoover selected as the

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patsy due to his early history having been a victim of pedophilia and an unbalanced character.

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I also believe there is an underlying pedophile ring that is behind the scenes in the current

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campaign targeting Mark Richards.

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It is also significant that the individuals involved in targeting Mark Richards, Joanne

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Richards and myself at this time come from Britain.

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And I also understand that there is some motivation within what I believe is MJ-12.

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Who gives a shit?

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That's a lot of nonsense.

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Sure.

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What Kerry is trying to do there is sort of repackage some of the things that Hoover has

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said were part of why or how Mark manipulated him into committing the murder.

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And one part of it was that Mark knew that Hoover was violently homophobic.

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And so he told him that Baldwin was gay.

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And that was a part of the motivation that Mark used, the manipulation, in order to get

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him to hate Baldwin enough to do his bidding.

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That sort of thing.

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And so this idea of trying to repackage that as they knew he was a pedophile and Hoover

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was the victim of childhood abuse and that sort of thing is just really ugly to me.

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It's really gross.

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It's gross on a number of levels.

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They're exploiting him again in the same way that he was originally fucked with by Mark

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Richards.

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They're doing twice over.

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Or at least using him as a prop.

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It's really offensive.

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And then also just the conflating, even if it's subconscious or on like an abstract level,

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the equivocating or making equivalent homosexuality and pedophilia is just disgusting.

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Always.

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Always pedophiles to get out of any bullshit.

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Oh yeah.

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It's very Alex-y.

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It's all, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's probably pedophile rings.

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That's why they don't talk about it.

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That's why everybody, they force them to get into these pedophile rings in order to get

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into the highest level of power so they can blackmail you anytime you want.

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So anything I've ever done is probably set up by pedophile rings.

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That just makes the most sense.

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I mean, it's yet another connection to Alex Jones' role.

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So I mean, we're seeing a bit of that today.

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So and then the stuff about the British and the operation that's going on against her

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now is this docuseries.

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And again, we're gonna talk about it a little bit later, so we'll get into the specifics.

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Just know that that's what she's referencing.

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And the idea that the British are attacking him is just a guy who's making a documentary.

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So in this next clip, I would say that most of what she says in this next clip is true,

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but she's saying it in a different way than I believe it.

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Okay.

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All indications are that this targeting of Mark Richards-

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Talking about the documentary still.

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Is happening now after nearly 35 years since the verdict, and this is because of my interviews

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with Captain Mark Richards revealing the true nature of the alien presence and the secret

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space program as well as space command.

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And I believe that this targeting is aimed at further discrediting Mark and me and my

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work as well as the work of Joanne Richards, Mark's wife.

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If you take out the part of it being to cover up the truth about space, that entirely explains

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why I do these episodes.

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Perfect.

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I am very motivated to discredit Mark Richards, very motivated to discredit and laugh at Gary

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Cassidy.

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So yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, we're in.

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We're targeting you.

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For sure.

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We want to discredit you.

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You got it.

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You're crazy.

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Yeah.

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You probably lead people down bad paths.

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I would assume.

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At the very least, insinuating that everybody is a fucking pedophile is gonna get-

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Minimizes real child abusers as well.

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There are pedophile rings.

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We know that.

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Yeah.

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And you are hurting the-

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So just to paint your enemies with that is to, I mean, it's crying wolf a little bit.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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It's pretty gross.

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Oh, sure.

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There's another pedophile ring.

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No, actually there is one this time.

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So-

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Yeah, we've heard it before, man.

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Right, right.

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So I don't think that that accusation of Baldwin being a pedophile necessarily comes from Mark

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Richards.

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Yeah.

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I'm not sure that it does.

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It may.

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It may.

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But I think that it comes from another guy.

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And that's a guy who is a guest blogger on Project Camelot.

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And a lot of the information, the background, and the research in very heavy quotes about

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the case, she's reading from a guy named Paul Collin who did a report on Project Camelot.

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And Kerry has this to say about him.

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In order to be fully informed, you must see the investigation done by Camelot blogger

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Paul Collin.

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And I have already sort of detailed that and again put the links because this is such crucial

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information to get your facts right.

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So you need to, man.

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If you're going to know the context, if you're going to know about reality, you've got to

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read Paul Collin's report.

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This is fun because she's saying a lot of true things lying.

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What do you mean?

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You know, she's saying a lot of right things wrong.

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She's like, yes, you have to get the reporting right.

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This is a sensitive issue.

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You are correct, Kerry.

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You are then wrong about all of it, though.

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Yeah, and Paul Collin's a mess.

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So Paul Collin, for all I can tell, is just a guest blogger on Kerry's website.

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He claims to be a former CIA agent, but so does everyone Kerry talks to.

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So I'm going to maintain my default position that I think that's bullshit.

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However, if Kerry thinks that it's so important that I see his evidence in order that I be

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fully informed on this case, what kind of researcher would I be if I didn't at least

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poke around a little and see what this guy has to offer?

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You would be lazy.

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This is an important thing and you've got to make sure you have your facts straight.

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Right.

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First things first, Kerry doesn't link to his reporting.

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She's copy and pasted the URL for his report into her show transcript, but that's a PDF

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file that you can't copy from.

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So in order to get to his report, you have to type out this long string of the URL.

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In fairness, it does lead to an actual page.

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That's great.

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I just bring this up to vent a little bit of my frustration about how un-user friendly

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her website is.

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So if you go to that page, you'll find that this report by Paul Collin isn't really about

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Mark Richards being framed, nor is it really about any truth about his case.

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His report is mostly just trying to attack the character of Kevin Daniel Moore, the British

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documentary filmmaker who's working on that docu-series about Baldwin's murder.

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Collin accuses him of having, quote, secretive past involvement with central banking and

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financial services as a corporate secretary and corporate director while simultaneously

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working as a lowly telemarketer.

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Oh, that is...

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Dun-dun.

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That's believable.

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You could be a telemarker in financial services or central banking.

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I don't know.

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I don't particularly care about any of this garbage.

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Even if everything this guy is saying is true, attacking a guy who's making a docu-series

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about Mark Richards has literally nothing to do with what I know about Mark Richards.

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This is a classic case of damage control.

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And you know why they're doing it?

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It's because of what I told you earlier.

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Because for reasons I can't possibly guess, Carrie agreed to be interviewed for Moore's

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docu-series.

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And from the trailer of it, it doesn't look like she's painted in a very good light.

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Some say it makes her look like a crazy person or that it looks at things accurately.

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Yeah.

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Well, of course she is going to agree because to her, she is telling the truth.

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And so this is an avenue to get her message out.

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To do the interview?

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Yeah.

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Maybe.

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Yeah.

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It makes perfect sense for her to do that.

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It's a really vulnerable position to be in.

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She doesn't have final cut.

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She doesn't know what this guy's thing is about or anything like that, probably what

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she agreed to do with.

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She doesn't need to, man, because she is insulated by the truth, Dan.

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An innocent man does not need to hide anything.

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An innocent man speaks truth to power and everyone sees it.

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Look, I love your passion, but that's bullshit.

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That's absolute bullshit.

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Carrie knows that she made a huge mistake.

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Oh, of course.

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Agreeing to be in that documentary.

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And now realizes that the whole thing is going to, the whole documentary is going to be actual

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evidence of Mark's guilt, interviews with Cross and Hoover, interviews with Mark's ex-wife

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Karen, interviews with people Mark knew in college.

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And all of it's going to illustrate the fundamental truth that Mark Richards is a sociopath who's

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been conning people his whole life.

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On some level, Carrie knows that the producers of the documentary really only have any interest

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in talking to her so she can be the example of his current victim.

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And that this narrative that Carrie, that's a narrative that Carrie can't really accept

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existing unchallenged.

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She can't argue her case on the facts.

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She's left to do that.

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All she can do is start rambling about raptors.

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So her only real strategy is to paint this documentarian as an agent of some satanic

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cabal that pedophile network is clearly working with the reptilians against her and Mark's

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noble crusade.

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It's painfully transparent what's going on here.

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So her exhortation for you to get all the facts by going to this guest blogger's website

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is her saying, get your facts straight and him saying, that guy sucks.

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So the facts are that guy sucks and he's working for the aliens that we don't like.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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Of course.

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And then the article that this dude wrote, it kind of deteriorates halfway through into

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a defensive screed about how great Carrie Cassidy is, which is boring, but it does give

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us this line, quote, Furthermore, Carrie Cassidy exercises professionalism, high orders of

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discernment, courage, and with her integrity remaining intact.

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If people want a fair haired version of Alex Jones, like guerrilla journalism broadcasting,

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then they know where to turn their attention.

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Well, that was a little bit on the nose.

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A little bit.

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That might've been, you might've wanted to keep that part quieter.

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That part might've, you might've wanted to lower the volume on that part.

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Just on the facts, Paul Collins' article is a piece of trash.

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He gets very basic pieces of information incorrect.

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For instance, he claims that Andrew was, quote, Criminally charged with murder, but that is

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not true.

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He goes on to even say that Andrew was sentenced to prison for the murder, which is categorically

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false, and even is counter to the version of the story that Carrie is presenting on

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this episode that we're listening to.

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If he's fucking up that kind of really basic fact of the case, I can't get myself to engage

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with his other unsourced assertions and possibly libelous claims about Baldwin being a pedophile,

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although that's another parallel about how Alex Jones operates, and we'd be remiss not

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to point that out.

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However, I should point out that on September 4th, 2018, Paul Collins posted a blog on Project

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Camelot's website that reads, it reads like he copy and pasted an email from a Nigerian

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prince.

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Quote, On Friday, August 31st, 2018, I received some extremely difficult news negatively impacting

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my very survival as a human being working to enhance human knowledgeability worldwide.

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Of course.

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The US federal government wants me to pay back 2,500 US dollars.

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The US State Department 2006 repatriation loan that America used to remove me out of

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Eastern Europe to America on August 15th, 2006.

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The debt I owe, they claim, is overdue.

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Hence, if I do not repay the US government within the next 30 days, they will levy a

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lien against my bank account, which means all donation monies from October 2018 moving

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forward to my bank account will automatically be deducted out of my bank account until their

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debt is paid in full.

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This means I can no longer ask for donations to feed myself, put gasoline in my van, pay

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my vehicle insurance, or pay my monthly smartphone bill.

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These are basic fundamental human necessities for me to conduct the 18 to 22 hour long days

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and nights I spend seven days a week researching and writing reports for Project Camelot.

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Wow.

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If I cannot...

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That's...

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He's got to...

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He's got to do better.

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He's got to negotiate for better labor rights.

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I can't imagine what he's doing in that time.

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18 to 22 hours.

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There is no work shown on the page.

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If I cannot come up with their $2,500 in cash soon, there'll be no further sense in my living

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any worse than I am already now, homeless in a van without being able to qualify for

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any public assistance whatsoever.

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Did Roger Stone write that for him?

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Here's the thing, Jordan.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, Dan.

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Repatriation loans are not used to remove someone from a foreign country unless that

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person applies for the loan themselves because of a financial hardship and a need to return

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to the US provided that they're a citizen.

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From the State Department's website, quote, the Department of State's Repatriation Loans

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Program provides emergency loans to assist destitute Americans abroad who have no other

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source of funds to return to the United States.

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They include Americans temporarily abroad who are without funds because of unforeseen

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events like a theft, illness, or accident, individuals suffering from serious physical

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illness who need to return to the United States for medical care, Americans residing abroad

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with an alien spouse needing assistance to escape an abusive situation, and individuals

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caught in a disaster or emergency abroad who need to be removed from harm's way.

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Also, guess what?

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If you have a good cause like a medical condition, poverty, inability to work, or something along

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those lines, there's a really easy to find form on the government's website which is

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called, quote, Repatriation Loan Waiver and Deferral Request Form.

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People can apply to have, quote, the whole or any portion of a repatriation loan completely

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waived.

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Officers will then perform a review, and if it's appropriate, they'll often waive these

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loans entirely or in part, and in cases where they can't justify a waiver, they often allow

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a deferral of collections in order to set up future reviews to reconsider the applicant's

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financial situation down the road.

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It's a very forgiving system that's set up, uncharacteristically so, of the government.

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Yeah, that is a shocker.

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It seems kind of nice.

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Further, they have a really easy to find phone number and email address, it's very easy to

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Google, where loan recipients can work out payment plans at any point in the life of

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their loan.

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U.S. Code 2671 Section D covers the establishment of the repatriation loan program.

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Paragraph 4 clearly states that they don't refer any loans for litigation except in cases

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where they are more than a year overdue on payment.

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Nowhere do they say that they'll place liens on people who don't pay, although I do accept

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that that's possibly a policy of the collection agencies that do get subcontracted out.

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I think it's possible.

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But according to the U.S. Code, they seem to prefer to just apply some fees and they

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only litigate in any way if you're a year overdue on a payment, not on the entire loan.

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If you have a $2,500 repatriation loan, I'm positive you could get it cut down into, like,

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I don't know, 15 payments of $200 or something like that.

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Pay a little extra and chop it down into tiny bits or whatever.

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Convenience fee to the government, something along those lines.

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So whatever it is, he's probably just had a $200 bill that he hasn't paid for a year,

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if this is even true at all.

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So I don't know.

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Anyway, my point here is that I don't trust Paul Collin in the least.

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He seems real scammy.

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And this I need $2,500 and I need it fast post is a serious red flag.

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And then he also posted two more things on Project Camelot's thing.

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We're talking about how he desperately needs money.

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So red flags.

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18 to 22 hours and all he could write for a please desperately give me money is that

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short piece.

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And it really looks like a Nigerian prince email kind of scam.

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Bad.

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Also, his posts...

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It does sound like that.

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Do you remember the roommate scam that they used to have?

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Where it was like, I would love to be a roommate for this apartment, we'll get this all together.

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In order for me to do so, though, I'm gonna need you to cash this check after I advance

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it that whole time.

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Sure, sure.

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There are 100 variables.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I think it's a simpler version of that.

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It's almost like sweeps week for just like, here is a crisis, give us money, that sort

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of thing.

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Right, right, right.

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Also, his posts that Kerry linked to about Mark Richards haven't made me any more informed

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about the murder that Mark totally orchestrated, but they did give me a chance to learn about

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repatriation loans.

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Yeah, that is nice.

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I didn't even know that existed.

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Yeah, so I guess there's a silver lining to everything.

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Yeah, that's nice.

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Yep.

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So now we get back to Kerry talking about Mark's case, and this is just not true.

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Around the time of the murder, Mark had more than one construction company.

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He supervised crews that reported to him, and he had hundreds of people in the secret

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space program or secret space command who reported to him.

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Mark didn't have a name for his construction business.

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He didn't have two fucking construction businesses.

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In that interview with the police, it's very clear he's talking about it not going well.

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The business is not going well.

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They ask him how many people he has working for him, and he says it's like six.

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He's talking about how one guy who he sold a gun to who works for him, he's not working

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for you now, right?

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And he's like, well, I mean, he would still work for me, but we don't have any work for

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him.

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So there's not a ton of work to do.

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He can't even employ the six people that he has.

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Right, right, right.

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The only people who are probably actively working for him are Andrew and Crossy.

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Probably those are the only people who are on the crew that are actively working for

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him.

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Yeah.

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He has phone numbers of five other guys.

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If he needs them, they'll subcontract out.

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If you were born in Illinois in the Midwest, at like 13, you'll get your first detasseling

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job.

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It'll just be some random asshole.

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In my case, it was the PE teacher at my school who'd just show up with a half bus and be

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like, eh, you, you, and you, let's get out of here.

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It's not a real business, it's just a bus.

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I mean, I worked for myself, but I'd go and mow people's yards and stuff like that.

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It's the equivalent of that.

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What was the name of your business?

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29-year-old murderer.

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That was actually the name of my business.

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29-year-old murderer?

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Yeah.

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Grass murderer.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Weed killer.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, Carrie brings up something that she thinks is proving Mark's innocence

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in some way, but it actually makes the case so much worse against him.

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Apparently there is also another young man named Willie Robles who was not charged but

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may have had something to do with the murder.

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Mark says that Robles was dating Hoover's sister at the time.

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Herbert who?

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Robles was dating Hoover's sister at the time and was said to go around saying he would

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bash someone's head in with a baseball bat if he got angry.

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And this does mirror what happened in the murder, apparently.

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Apparently.

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Apparently.

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Carrie's trying to imply here that this Robles might actually be the person who killed Baldwin.

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Of course.

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In reality, William Robles is one of two other youths who have testified that Mark Richards

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approached them with his plan to murder Baldwin and sell his shit to make a load of cash.

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Mark has tried to attack their credibility by saying that they were drug dealers who

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were trying to cut a deal.

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And it is true that one of those two, not Robles, the other guy, was arrested for selling

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marijuana.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But the appeals court made it very clear that, quote, the officers who had signed declarations

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swearing that Neil and Robles were never offered any promise of leniency in any way for their

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testimony.

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So that's all a load of shit.

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The existence of these two other people is really damning as a piece of evidence against

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Mark.

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It's two additional people who have sworn testimony that he tried to get them in on

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a murder plot that's identical to the one that he eventually did carry out.

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So...

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Hmm.

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Yeah.

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Or it's the lizards.

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He couldn't rewrite the plan?

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He just kept the same one?

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Yeah.

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You gotta edit.

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We're creatures of habit.

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You gotta update it.

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I don't know, man.

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I'm telling you.

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It's nuts.

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It's real nuts to see all of this and still be like, guys, reptilians.

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I like it.

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I like it because it's a certain amount of dedication to the idea.

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It's quite a bit of dedication.

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It is in some ways admirable and in other ways the real failings of the human race all

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in one package.

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It's an Ian Abramson-level commitment to a man.

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That's what it is.

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So we get back to this idea of Baldwin being a pedophile in this next clip.

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And we get some evidence?

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Question mark?

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So the way that Mark learned that Baldwin was a pedophile is that Mark's company was

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hired to remodel Baldwin's house.

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Mark's crew called him one day at the beginning of the job to say they found a huge amount

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of child porn in the house saying, you won't believe what we found.

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So Mark was contracted to work on his house.

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Right.

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Because he was his buddy.

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Right.

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And in that police interview, he was talking about how they were trying to put down a concrete

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slab for an extension of the building and stuff like that.

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And he fixed that fence that Hoover might have hit.

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We're not entirely sure, vague on the details.

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But this is a new wrinkle.

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And if this is true, which it's not, then this means that Mark discovered that Baldwin

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had a giant cache of child pornography and then didn't report him to the police.

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It also means that Mark didn't disclose this in his three hour long interview with detectives

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after he was arrested for the murder.

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It also means that Mark didn't bring this up ever, nor did Cross and Hoover or Andrew,

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two people who were working on Baldwin's house, who they were the contractors who were there

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working on it, who ostensibly maybe were the ones who Kerry is implying found this.

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Well, let's just go.

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None of them brought this up ever.

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Let's just go even a tiny bit more into making sense territory.

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You need money, right?

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Desperately.

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Right.

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And you have this plan and your plan is to kill this guy.

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But then later you find out that he has child pornography, that you're not going to report

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to the police.

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Now, why kill him when you could blackmail him?

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That makes the most sense to everybody involved.

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Right?

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Totally.

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You don't have to kill that guy.

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And he's definitely not going to fucking...

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Yeah.

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Nope.

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Yeah.

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Then he might kill you, but you have a lot of guns.

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Yeah.

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But you'd be fine.

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Yeah.

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You're a white separatist who's trying to create his own kingdom.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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You're working on a fucking laser.

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Yeah.

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What is he going to do?

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You have knights.

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I really look at this and I assess it this way.

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I think that it's part of an attempt to minimize the death of Richard Baldwin, pure and simple.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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It's a cruel tactic to make you think, well, this guy kind of had it coming.

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We had a huge collection of child pornography.

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Why should I give a fuck about him?

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Right.

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Carrie never has to admit any guilt on Mark's part, but subconsciously she's implanting

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in the listener's mind the idea of like, if he did it, it was because he was hurting kids

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and we're all fine with him getting fucking taken out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Aren't we?

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Mark's fine.

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Are you really going to do a life sentence for murdering a pedophile?

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Right.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Maybe five years tops.

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It's insane.

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Yeah.

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I mean, look, if he did have child pornography, fuck him, he should have gone to prison and

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all that.

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You know?

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Great.

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Yeah.

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But I need you to prove this, first of all.

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How did they find it?

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Was it laying around?

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I don't know.

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Until you prove it, go fuck yourself with your stray accusations.

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That's sort of my point.

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Now, Jordan, we've been talking about Mark Richards for a long time, not only today,

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but for our lives.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We've been talking about him a bit because he's fascinating.

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It is surprising.

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Yeah.

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It is surprising how long we've been talking about Mark Richards.

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He's a gift that keeps on giving.

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It doesn't seem to stop yet.

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Now, Jordan, the whole time we've been operating under the assumption that Mark was off planet

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when the murder happened.

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We have?

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Well, because that's his alibi.

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That is, of course, what we have been operating.

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Kerry says it all the fucking time.

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All the time.

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He was off planet.

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Joanne Richards says the same thing, his current wife.

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Didn't seem like he mentioned it in that interview with the cops.

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No.

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Not once.

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Not once.

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He doesn't mention this either.

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But in this next clip, we get a new alibi and clearly doesn't even bat an eyelash.

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I like it.

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I like a new alibi.

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This is insane.

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He's had 40 years to work on a really good alibi.

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Put your mic down.

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Okay.

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Because it's not great.

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Okay.

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Mark's alibi during the exact time of the murder was that he was eating lunch with his

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parents at his parents' house.

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His lawyer, Shapiro, told him that would never be believed by the jury.

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However, it is notable that they could never place Mark at the scene of the crime.

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They could.

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Mark states that he had just returned from fighting a war in the Falklands in which he

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was in a battle for the control of planet Earth.

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This was a turning point in the history of Earth, and if we had lost the battle, we would

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have lost control of Earth.

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It was a battle with the alien races, the Draco, reptilians, and Grays.

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The raptors, and for more about the raptors, please do see my other nine interviews with

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Captain Mark Richards, but the raptors are featured in Steven Spielberg, Jurassic World,

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and other films very specifically.

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So that's fucked up, man.

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The idea, like she's been saying he's off planet all the time, and now like the disclaimer

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at the beginning of the episode said he was off planet.

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Now she's saying that he was having lunch with his parents, and his lawyers thought

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that was unbelievable.

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The exact time of the murder as well.

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Right, and by the way, if he was fighting in the Falklands, even if he was fighting

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aliens, that's not off planet.

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So off planet is out the window.

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No, you're wrong.

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You're wrong.

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It was the off planet Falklands.

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There's one in the Beetlejuice system.

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I forgot.

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You know, and what we've always, and this is something that you've always heard this,

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we heard it from the very beginning in grade school, if you lose the Falklands, you lose

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the planet.

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Lose everything.

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Everybody knows that.

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Right.

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You could have done that the first time you play Risk.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Risk might come back up later.

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That's fucked up.

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I mean, like the only way you can make the argument that he was fighting off planet would

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be that he was in a plane.

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I guess.

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And that's off the ground, which is a shady technicality.

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Also, you could have just asked your, you could have just asked his parents.

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I don't think they would talk to Kerry.

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No, no, no.

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I mean, for the alibi.

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Oh.

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Why would it, why would the lawyers say that they wouldn't believe that?

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If they're credible?

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Yeah.

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If both parents were like, oh, he was eating lunch with us.

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The lawyer would be like, yes.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Do that one.

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Yeah.

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Don't do the you're off planet thing.

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Right.

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Right.

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Like they would believe parents over like a 17 year old who worked for him.

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Yeah.

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If, if like there could be establishing, like there would be evidence.

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Yeah.

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It would not be hard to prove that were it true.

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It would be sorted out.

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Also a small point, Richard Baldwin was murdered on July 6th, 1982.

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The war in the Falklands ended on June 14th, 1982.

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Secret war in the Falklands did not.

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Mark absolutely wasn't in the Falklands war, but even if he was, he could have easily been

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in that conflict and still made it back in time to murder Richard Baldwin.

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So that is not an alibi.

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He had time.

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Yeah.

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He had time.

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He had a month, whole month from June 6th, July 14th, almost a whole month.

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Boy.

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Could have done it.

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40 years and still can't write a good alibi.

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By the way, there were almost no US personnel in the Falklands war.

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That was Britain and Argentina.

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Beetlejuice Falklands.

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Oh, sorry.

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Beetlejuice Falklands.

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Keep forgetting.

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Come on, man.

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We sat like missiles and maybe a couple people.

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That was it.

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It was almost entirely the British and the Argentinians.

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Well, all we needed to do was send captain Mark Richards.

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The Dutchman's son is going to sort out the Falklands all day.

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See that rebuttal is what ruins my argument.

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The fact that it's not zero means it could have been Mark.

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It could have been Mark.

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Yeah.

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Shit.

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Still.

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Statistically, it is possible.

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Still does not prove.

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Doubtful.

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That he didn't kill Richard Baldwin.

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Boy, you really got to write.

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See this is the problem.

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I don't want to read his book now because he's had 40 years to write a good alibi and

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he's not done it.

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I bet that book is just patently insane though.

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Yeah, that's true.

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I need a copy.

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I want to read it.

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Yeah.

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So I wish I could find a PDF, but that obviously doesn't exist.

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There's no way.

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Nuh-uh.

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So we know that Mark got set up.

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We know that now.

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I mean, Carrie's proved her case.

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Of course.

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Airtight.

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I find no holes.

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None.

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Uh-uh.

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This is the opposite of Swiss cheese.

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Nope.

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Zero holes in this thing.

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It is like Jupiter in that it is 100% solid throughout.

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So we know that, right?

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We don't know why he was framed exactly, but Mark has told Carrie a theory that he has

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that I think is awesome.

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And Mark claims that the raptors had his back and were at his beck and call, and he was

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very arrogant back then.

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He was 29, and he was boasting while in the Falklands about how the raptors saw him as

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a hero.

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He stated it was possibly because of this that they framed him for murder, although

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he doesn't know that for certain.

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But it's a pretty good theory.

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It is a great theory.

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I like it.

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When he was walking around in the Falklands, he was too cocky about how much the raptors

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love him.

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Hey, we all make mistakes when we're young.

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I know.

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He was the son of the Dutchman.

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He thought he was hot shit.

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Full of piss and vinegar.

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Yeah.

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He just won the Falklands war by himself as the only person the Americans sent.

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Yep.

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I mean, of course he's going to brag a little bit about the raptors, and then they got to

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come down hard on him.

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Well, not the raptors.

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The reptilians.

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Right.

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Right.

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The reptilians.

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The Draco Alliance, as it were.

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I like that idea.

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I really love it.

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They talk about your alien cult that you have, I guess, your hero worshiping.

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Yeah.

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And they're like, fuck you, bro.

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This is a story of hubris that is as old as time.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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So you brought up the Dutchman there, and we find out that Mark's dad was in play around

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the time of the murder.

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He started the Falklands war, actually.

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He didn't start it, but he finished it.

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That war only lasted like two months, by the way.

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I mean, no war is good, but it's really weird to pick the Falklands war as like the deciding

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war for humanities.

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We will lose control of the planet if we lost the Falklands war, because, I mean, first

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of all, it's a very short war.

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The United States, the belligerents in it were really only Argentina and the United

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Kingdom.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He may have been referencing the Peter Falklands war.

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No, I think it's the last really major world event before he went to prison.

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Yeah, I would absolutely say so.

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I think that's just why he thinks it's such a big deal.

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Right.

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Well, he looked into the time period.

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If it's going to be an alibi for him, he has to put it around the same time.

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It has to be major.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it has to be a war.

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So there you go.

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And so we get a little bit here in this next clip.

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We get some news about the Dutchman and what he was up to around the time of the murder.

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Well, he was eating lunch, obviously.

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So around the time of the murder, Ellis Lloyd Richards, Mark's father, was seen as a hero

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by the British and American Air Force and had just returned from fighting a war with

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aliens in Kamchatka, Russia.

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I think that Mark has been playing risk in prison because that's one of the parts...

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That's one of the few parts that you can actually...

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That connects Russia to the United States around the sides of the board, the risk board.

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That makes the most sense.

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Kamchatka is one of the regions at risk.

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Because that's why they had the battleground there.

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If he had brought up Irkutsk, I would be 100% sure that he's just been playing risk in prison.

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Like, oh God, that'd be amazing.

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I don't know.

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They don't actually have the pieces for the risk board.

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You have to...

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It's all in your head.

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Yeah.

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You have to play it in your mind.

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Yeah.

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So his dad was fighting with aliens in Kamchatka.

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Naturally.

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Cool.

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And he had time.

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Right.

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Then he had time to go get lunch, of course.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, Kerry talks about how...

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Earlier, you know how I brought up that the Dutchman and Mark, their arch nemesis was

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this Angleton, a CIA guy.

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Kerry brings...

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This story isn't true, man.

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I like it when you don't even have the ability to give it anything.

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You're just like, dude, this is just not true.

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This is just whatever.

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I enjoy this not true story about Kerry having her life at risk or some shit.

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A side note, Project Camelot was directly threatened.

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We were forced to abruptly close down.

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We were told people would die, including us, if we pursued an important line of research

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involving a leaked document from Angleton's files.

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Oh, no.

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We were forced to abruptly close down our investigation and fly back home.

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At the time, we had been scheduled to do an interview with a key contact when we received

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a phone call in our hotel room telling us to stop.

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We decided not to pursue our investigation after being threatened, that if we did so,

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sources related to our investigation would be killed.

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As a consequence, the Angleton connection to the Mark Richards case reveals a very high

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and deep reason for him having been framed and imprisoned now for nearly 40 years.

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We are very aware of how high the Angleton connection goes with regard to the alien situation.

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I'm very aware of how high you sound.

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This is bullshit.

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Yeah, that's ridiculous.

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My firm, just like, boilerplate response to that is, nope.

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I don't even care.

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I don't care at all.

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God, I want...

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None of that happened.

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Now, any time I get super drunk, I really wish that Blackout Jordan would just call

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Project Camelot all the time and just say nonsense.

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Just say nonsense stuff.

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It's absolutely great, fantastic.

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Here's the real story.

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We were going to interview this source and the guy was like, I don't think I really want

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to come.

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And they're like, why don't you want to come?

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We really need to do this interview.

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I was probably...

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I was threatened.

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I don't believe that.

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I was threatened.

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They're going to kill me.

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Yada, yada, yada.

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It was great knowing you.

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Hang up.

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Beep.

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Yeah, that would work.

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Yeah.

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You'd be her next big whistleblower.

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Yeah.

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So now, Kerry presents the idea in this next clip that the entire case against Mark Richards

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was only based on the testimony of this Andrew, the other guy, the other kid who was involved.

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I don't think that's true.

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It's not true.

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But then Kerry gets into something that is also not true.

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With regard to the trial, according to Mark, the DA relied exclusively on information provided

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by Andrew.

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See above.

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And there appears that Andrew was highly likely to have been a CIA undercover agent on the

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scene orchestrating events while Hoover was the patsy.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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Yeah, yeah.

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17-year-old CIA orchestrator of SIOP operation.

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They get to him young these days.

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They get to him so young.

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So stupid.

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This is so stupid.

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This is just disappointingly stupid.

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But to hear someone repeating this shit is so stupid.

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It's like, I get why Mark would say it.

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I get that.

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Oh, of course.

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That part makes total sense to me.

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He's an inveterate liar.

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Why wouldn't he say that?

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That part makes...

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I have no qualms.

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Kerry, I'm disappointed in you.

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I have no faith in you and I'm disappointed in you.

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The idea that you're saying that this 17-year-old who Mark completely lured into this murder

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plot, he's probably CIA, that's fucked up.

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That's embarrassing.

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That makes me want to get an old school projector, write out those words and just project it

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up on Kerry's wall and just be like, Kerry, you said this.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Do you want to read that out loud and see how it sounds now?

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She believes it, I'm sure.

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Or at least she's willing to believe it.

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I don't know.

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I don't.

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I can't.

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I can't.

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I know.

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I can't believe that she's willing to believe it.

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I have a tough time too.

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Yeah, it's tough.

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She has to be fucking with us.

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Well, I mean, she is still saying that this is what Mark said.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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But I think that you have a responsibility if you're repeating these things and be like,

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this is what Mark said and he's full of shit.

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Yeah.

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At least a little something.

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Yeah, at least introduce some sort of skeptical voice to the proceedings and it gets worse

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later.

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Oh, of course.

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So in this next clip, I don't know if you know this, but Mark got a divorce pretty soon

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after the murder.

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I can believe it.

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After he got arrested for the murder.

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I can believe it.

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His wife was kind of like, oh, that's why I got a video camera.

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Yeah.

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Not good.

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Do I get to keep the camera?

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Can't enjoy that boat anymore.

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In the divorce, do I get the boat?

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I don't think so.

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I think that boat was evidence.

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That's no good.

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Yeah.

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So she got a divorce from Mark, but it turns out that it was only because the mob made

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her.

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The mob.

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Karen, Mark's wife at the time, divorced him during the trial.

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Mark believes she was pressured by the mob to do so.

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The mob.

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She apparently had family, her father who had ties to the mob.

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The mob?

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At one point, the judge fell asleep during the trial.

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I don't blame him.

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Do not blame him.

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Unconnected thoughts.

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Well, the mob made him fall asleep too.

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I would suggest it was Mark that made him fall asleep.

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If there's one thing that I take away from that 131 page interview with the detectives,

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it's that like he's doing to them what he does to Carrie.

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I think that is an important takeaway because it shows his patterns, like the way he works

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with new information being integrated.

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Like a shitty verbal kint, basically, a shitty usual suspects game he's trying to play, but

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these detectives are like, you're really bad at this.

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You fucked up.

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It reminds me so much of Stone.

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Like anytime Stone gets in trouble, you have, oh no, no, absolutely, but he's, you still

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got that same pattern every time where it's like, do this first, say it didn't happen,

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blame somebody else.

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All liars are like that.

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Right.

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Most liars.

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You gotta, don't you get bored, don't you get bored with your lies?

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But I don't think it's a matter of boredom.

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It's a compulsion.

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Like I don't think, a lot of times people who are compulsive liars, I mean, it's right

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in the name, they're not really in control of being able to modulate when they lie or

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not.

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They just kind of do it.

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Yeah.

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Some can do it more strategically than others, but the lie is almost like a tick.

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Yeah.

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You know, and you get that if you've ever met somebody who behaves that way, one of

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the things that's really hard about it is that like oftentimes there'll be lies that

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come out that are completely inconsequential things and it's like, well, you didn't have

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to do that and then you start to realize like you just can't control it.

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Oh, I mean, it's not a terrible strategy either to just lie about everything all the time

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because then you don't even know if you're lying.

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You know, you lie all the time about stuff that's inconsequential.

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I think that that strategy is, I think it's overstated as a good strategy because I think

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you.

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That sounds like a lie to me.

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I just did a finger gun.

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We just did some finger guns back and forth.

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So that's the first thing that I take away from it that is like you get a real understanding

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and appreciation for his pattern as a liar.

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And then the second thing I take away from it is he's fucking boring because it takes

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forever for them to get anywhere with him in the conversation.

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He's talking circles and trying to play little games and stuff like that, but they're boring

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games.

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So that's why it takes 131 pages to get through what would probably have been 40 if it wasn't

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just full of him being like, now I know you're going to walk out.

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Look, I need to, like, I'm trying to be honest, all this stuff and weaving boring lies while

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the detectives tell him we know what happened.

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That could have been a very, very short interview.

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Yes, absolutely.

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But the point I'm trying to make is that like if this judge fell asleep, I get why.

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Because I'm surprised they did that in court.

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I'm sure.

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Yeah.

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I'm surprised the two cops didn't fall asleep at one point.

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Well, they go out for coffee like three times, so that might have been a part of it.

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Let's go get some coffee.

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Jesus Christ.

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This fucking guy.

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Yeah, I'm sure.

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Christ.

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If there was a recorder in the coffee room, I'd be like, this fucking asshole.

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So all of what we're talking about is predicated on the idea that Richard Baldwin is dead because

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he got murdered.

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Oh, no.

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Is Richard Baldwin not even dead?

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Lastly, Mark stated that it is also possible Dick Baldwin is alive and well in a witness

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protection program.

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He's not.

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Why?

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But he wasn't a witness.

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Nope.

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He would just be in a protection program.

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Why would he be in a witness protection program?

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Carrie, that's not how this works.

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But at least she is still saying that Mark told me this.

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That would be funny if he was a witness.

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We have to wait until like two episodes of Project Camelot from now where Carrie starts

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saying these things, but without the Mark told me this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That sort of shit.

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So yeah, he is not still alive.

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He was murdered with a baseball bat and a screwdriver, and then had his body dumped

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in a bay, tied down with a motor from the boat very amateurishly, and that's why his

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body came to the surface and was found, and then Mark was arrested.

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Well, that's why his testimony really was so moving at the trial.

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After you've been killed like that and you float up again, you got to put him in a protection

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program.

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You've been through a lot.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's why he's alive for sure.

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There's a great moment, one of my other favorites, in that interview where they ask Mark a question

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and Mark is responding to it, and it's about something that he had done a couple days prior,

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and one of the detectives was like, do you think we weren't watching you?

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It's like those moments are like, they're really funny to look at because it's Mark

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Richards, but at the same time, I can put myself in that situation and that feeling

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of hearing that, I'd be like, oh no.

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Oh no.

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It would be the scariest fucking moment in the world if my whole game is up, but he still

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tries.

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Nevertheless, he persists.

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Oh boy.

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Oh boy.

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In trying to lie.

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Little do you know this, Mark is innocent.

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He's not, but Kerry thinks he is, and Mark is saying that he is, although Mark absolutely

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knows that he's not.

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And if only, look man, here's the thing.

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Right after the trial, the DIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, they put out a report

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that exonerated Mark and proved that he was totally innocent.

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Where did they put this report at?

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Just in the office break room?

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It seems to have disappeared.

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Oh, gosh damn it.

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When Mark was arrested, the DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, put together a report that refuted

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every charge against Mark.

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Mark believes that report still exists.

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At the time, there were several paper copies of the report made and distributed, which

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was in 1982, and also it was sent to the DA's office.

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The report was supposedly, has disappeared, but there are still copies around and if found,

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it would instantly free Mark.

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Ain't gonna happen.

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If found.

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It ain't gonna happen.

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If found is a really, not something that you want with exonerating evidence.

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My friend, that report does not exist.

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Oh, that's a surprise.

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I can say that with almost complete certainty.

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I had to look up whether or not the DIA was even a real thing.

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I was like, because so little of this is believable, any time somebody says there's any agency

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at all, I'm going to look it up because it's like, this could not, this could just not

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be true.

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It could be a fake thing?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I understand your skepticism, but you've just showed your cards that you don't know a lot

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about the government structure.

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I don't know a lot about the intelligence agencies.

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I don't think that the DIA is something that comes up all that often.

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No, because it's just, well, I just looked it up and it's pretty much just military intelligence,

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you know, that kind of thing.

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It's not something that's relevant to most normal conversation.

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So it makes sense that someone wouldn't know that it exists, but it does.

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That one's not made up, but the report is.

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That is 100% made up.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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So now we get back to this documentary maker, this British guy, and they're really grasping

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at straws trying to discredit him, and you'll see what I mean here in this next clip.

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Seeing the background of KM as detailed in the investigation by Paul Collin linked above,

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one of the key things about that individual is that he has a, I guess, a sex shop in Amsterdam,

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and it's very possible that that's linked to the mob and to the gay mafia, et cetera.

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Do what now?

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This is my conjecture, not Mark's.

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Oops.

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You should have just blamed Mark for that.

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Yeah, you should not have made that your own conjecture.

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You could have kept that as somebody else's conjecture.

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So does that mean that anybody who has a sex shop is conceivably in the mafia or working

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with the gay mafia?

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I really forgot this.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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His wife divorced him because of the mob.

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There's a lot of vague mob shit going on that I...

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Was it the mob or was it the gay mafia?

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The mob was involved in the divorce.

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The gay mafia is involved in this dildo shop in Amsterdam that this documentarian may or

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may not run.

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I didn't even care to look into that.

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No, I'm fine with that either way.

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That doesn't have any issue.

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Even if the gay mafia is involved, that doesn't bother me.

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Is there a gay mafia?

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Why not?

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Right.

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I know there's a three-six mafia, so why not have a gay one?

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They're Academy Award winners.

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Absolutely.

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I think this is a lot of bullshit, but it also is demonstrative of just how weak this

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argument is.

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They found out that he sells dildos, maybe, or someone who has the same name as him runs

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a sex shop.

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Frankly, I'm going to be honest with you, I think that only raises him in my estimation.

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It's completely moot to me.

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I do not give a shit.

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Yeah.

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Look, dude, in this documentary, this guy tracked down a number of people like this

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pen pal of Mark Regency, family members of Baldwin, Mark's ex-wife, that sort of thing.

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One of the other people that he tracked down was someone who used to work for Mark and

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did not want to talk to him.

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Now, this is very suspicious to carry.

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The Lindbergh baby.

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Bingo.

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And one of the people KM has contacted is someone who works for Mark.

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This person refused the interview and is loyal to Mark.

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Mark states, the only way KM could have gotten the man's name is from the side of the government

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involved with framing him.

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This contributes to proof that KM has been tasked by them to further discredit Mark Richards

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and in the process, Joanne Richards and me.

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Can I offer an alternative explanation?

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He just asked some people.

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Yeah.

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He just asked around.

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Possible.

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Possible.

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Just went to San Rafael and just started asking around with contractors.

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Was this his lieutenant that we referenced on his eighth or the seventh interview where

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Mark Richards has a guy in prison who's still working for him?

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Has he come back?

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No.

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Did the mob kill him?

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Probably the gay mafia.

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Probably the gay mafia.

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No, he hasn't come back in the...

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I think Mark got moved to a different prison.

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He's not in Vacaville anymore, so he might not have his lieutenant around.

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Bastards.

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But no, he's talking about...

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Kerry's talking about this documentary and finding someone who used to work for him in

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the contracting business and doesn't want to talk to him.

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They're saying that it's because he's loyal to Mark, although the alternative also is

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possible that he doesn't want to be...

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I don't want to be involved in this.

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Which is smart.

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Hey, remember that thing that happened that really fucked everything up for you and kind

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of made people talk to you about it over and over and over and over again?

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A piece of your past you don't want to relive.

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You know, that you don't really feel like you need to have.

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Can we talk to you about that?

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Sure.

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No?

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Okay, then we're good.

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You're loyal to Mark.

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You must be loyal to him.

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Right.

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And then the other thing is just really basic journalistic, investigative journalistic skills

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could find out the people who worked for him.

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Right.

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If you go to, like, San Rafael, you go to Northern California, go around, ask some people,

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go to the...

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Like, ask some relevant figures.

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He talked to Mark Richards' ex-wife.

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She would know some of the people that worked for him or at least be able to point him in

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the right direction to find someone who does know.

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And the fact that you already talked to people that have previously worked for him.

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Oh, hey, guess what?

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He also interviewed Crossy.

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So, like, if you talk to Crossy...

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Who else worked with you?

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Exactly.

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Oh, okay.

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Thank you for giving me the name.

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I have to talk to the fucking government and it gives proof that they're...

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He's in on the frame job.

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It's nonsense.

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But it turns out that he is working with aliens.

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Oh, okay.

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Well, naturally.

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It appears that K.M. is working for the Luciferian Rebellion, also known as the Reptilian Gray

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Draco Alliance.

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That's unfortunate.

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Yeah.

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That Luciferian, those are...

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He seems like a good guy.

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Those are tough.

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Oh, well.

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So now we're done with the case and now we get to jump to the reporting that we get.

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Because, you know, Mark Richards knows shit and it's not like this has all got to be about

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the case.

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Carrie's making a trip down to this goddamn prison and writing down with a dull pencil.

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She's not going to just do that as like damage control and running interference for her number

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one whistleblower.

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Right.

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She's still got...

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He needs to blow that whistle.

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He's got to have goods.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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You got to pay the piper and that piper needs bullshit.

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Exactly.

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So now we get to...

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And they didn't even...

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See, here's the problem with K.M.

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They didn't even bother talking to his spaceship.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And the spaceship isn't held under...

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Minerva is a free agent at this point.

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But Minerva's in the wind too.

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We don't know where she is.

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We don't know where Minerva is.

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No.

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Goddamn it.

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According to Joanne Richards, it's not clear where Minerva is.

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Well, they got a divorce because of the mob.

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Possibly.

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So we get to...

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I would say that this first clip where we're talking Mark Richards info, his deep leaks,

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is not good.

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It's not that exciting.

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But it is kind of blowhardy and vague.

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Okay.

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I like that.

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And then it turns at the end.

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So it's worth it for that.

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But I'm not happy that this is the first one because I wanted to come in with a raptors

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eat your chocolate or something like that, but this is just kind of vague and stupid.

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But like I said, I enjoy the end of this clip.

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Mark agrees with the following concepts.

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One, that there are many different timelines.

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Two, that Earth is a hologram and that this whole galaxy multiverse is in essence probably

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a series of holograms.

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You see what I'm saying?

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This is kind of bland, boring stuff.

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But hold on.

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Hold your horses.

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Okay.

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So humans have simultaneous incarnations and reincarnate.

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Time and space are simultaneous.

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Cool.

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Mark thinks that our brain can assist other versions of ourselves on other timelines.

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Why not?

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And yes, there are armies of androids in underground bases, both under the US and in China underground.

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And he has seen the Chinese androids.

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Isn't that great?

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That turn, isn't that amazing?

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It's like, look, time and space are the same, the continuum, there are different timelines.

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Your brain can help another version of yourself in another reality.

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And yes, of course, we really need to settle this.

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I know everybody's been wondering, yes, there are androids underneath the ground in China.

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Naturally.

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The underground area is lousy with androids.

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So many androids and I've seen them.

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Yeah.

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You're right.

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The way it's just like, yes, I'm tired of getting this question.

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Once and for all, androids underground.

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I saw them.

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I saw them.

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So, you know, there's a lot of people who are worried in Kerry's community and the sort

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of more paranoid paranormal folk about the idea of an alien takeover of the Earth.

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And I have bad news.

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It's already happened.

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Oh, shit.

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The takeover of planet Earth has actually already happened.

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We are battling the six AIs ongoing.

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We are also battling the Draco reptilians and certain species of Grays directly.

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The Grays report to the reps.

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The reps report to the Draco.

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They are using AI as well.

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And the Troggs are also an insectoid species that are also working against us.

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Oh, boy.

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When did the when did the Troggs get in here?

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This is tough stuff.

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And we are.

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Man, we are busy.

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We're battling all six AIs.

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We're battling the Luciferian Alliance.

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Now we got Troggs coming in here.

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I don't even know where the spiders are anymore.

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We're going to talk about the spiders.

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OK, good.

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I mean, it's like, you know, WrestleMania is coming up this weekend and it just it's

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like we are in a cage match and it is a handicap.

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It is.

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Wow.

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We have got six AIs fucking with us and we have a clearly regimented hierarchical structure

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of aliens who are all against us.

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Yeah.

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That's not good.

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That is bad.

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We really need Dr. Who at this point.

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We're in danger.

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Or at least Dr. Groop.

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Yeah.

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So to bring things that I don't know anymore about the A.I.

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He doesn't say anything.

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I really feel like that's important.

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Six A.I.

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Why six?

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I'll tell you this.

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It does feel important.

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It does feel really important.

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Six A.I. alone are fucking with the entire species and they're messing with us.

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It seems important, but it's not, apparently, because we don't get any clarification on

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it.

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It's just a tossed off aside.

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Yeah.

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So taking it from that space nonsense, now we get into the terrestrial sphere and geopolitics.

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So there's a lot of people who worry about, you know, our relations with the rest of the

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world, be it China, Russia, Iran, these sorts of places.

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Turns out Mark knows what's going to happen with all three of those situations.

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Oh, OK.

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Yes.

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Regarding the Iran war.

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Yes, it is happening.

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They took troops out of Syria, but left the Russians in charge on the ground there.

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Naturally, there are androids on the ground there, too.

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We are working with the Russians in this war, which is actually what I have been saying.

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And the war with Iran does lead to the war with China.

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Of course.

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And the Russians will side with the U.S. And there's more about this in the Hennuk prophecies.

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Oh, great.

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A prophecy.

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Oh, great.

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Oh, the the idea that Mark is just mirroring what she says is perfectly illustrated.

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That I've been saying that for a long time.

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You can see exactly how that conversation must have gone down.

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She says these sorts of things.

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And then he picks up on context clues like, yes, absolutely.

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That's correct.

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That's the intelligence that I've been getting from my higher up.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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I can only corroborate exactly what you said, because you are right or so informed carry

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on.

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It's amazing.

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My sources are just as good as my sources.

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Yeah.

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So earlier we got some strong indications that Mark's a bit of a racist, whether it's

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the pen dragon, excluding black people.

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That's one thing that's not great.

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No, no, I'm not a huge fan.

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His sort of racial profiling of the clerk at Montgomery Ward.

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Not great either.

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And that's why this clip sounds a little bit suspicious to me.

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OK.

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Sickle cell anemia.

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Oh, boy.

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The Australians are not compatible with this gene and it would rule out any person with

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that code for genetic breeding, food, or even sexual purposes.

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Stop it.

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They cannot feed off the black race and I guess specifically off the parts of the black

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race that have sickle cell anemia.

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Mark, you're a bad fucking dude.

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You know.

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There's no need for that.

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You know that other people get sickle cell anemia or sickle cell trait disorders.

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It's not a uniquely African-American thing.

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And also, by the way, it's not like...

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The only people who get it are people who miscegenate, which they might as well be black

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anyways, Dan.

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That's not true at all.

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No, that's true.

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Mark?

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Calm down.

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You only know what you...

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So we're all white.

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White never?

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Mark.

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Anemic?

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Mark.

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A white anemic.

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Mark.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Mark.

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We didn't land on anemia.

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Mark.

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Yeah, that to me is like a real gross.

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Yeah.

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Kind of like, well, they're not...

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They're an other.

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Really?

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There's something genetically that's so different about them that the raptors or the reptilians

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can't even breed with them or feed on them.

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God.

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Why?

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Why?

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Why?

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You could just not...

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Well, because it's a...

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Couldn't you just not?

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Well, it's because he's racist.

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Right.

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And he has a deep-seated feeling that people of different races are different.

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Yeah.

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And so while he creates his space mythology and all this stuff, it's a very convenient

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way to find some sort of an excuse inside your space mythology that justifies the racist

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feelings that you already have.

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Right.

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That's all that's going on here.

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And Carrie just can't see through it because she's fucking also racist.

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She is really, really racist.

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And dumb.

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And very dumb.

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Yeah.

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So you wanted to know about the spiders.

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I want to know about the spiders.

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Did they invent the AI?

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No.

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Is the AI fucking with them?

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Dude, from this next clip, I think that the spiders might just be big spiders.

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So they don't even really have any leadership.

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I don't know.

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Okay.

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All I know for sure is that Sardinia is crawling with spiders.

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And there have been some reports of spiders in the Northern United Kingdom.

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Oh, of course.

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Here's what Carrie has to say.

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They were eating all the badgers.

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Here's what Carrie has to say about the situation with spiders currently on the planet Earth.

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I asked him about Sardinia because recently I was asked if I would lead a tour to Sardinia

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because there are many ancient sites there and lots of evidence of reptilian involvement.

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However, I told Mark that I have declined to go to Sardinia because when I looked at

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it on a psychic, intuitive level, I saw that there were tons of spider beings and reptilians

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there.

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And Mark said I was absolutely right.

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He said he wouldn't even go there.

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He really agrees with you a lot.

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And it is true, not only in the past, but also now.

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And my apologies to the people that live in Sardinia, I think it's probably a very beautiful

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island.

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Our thoughts and prayers go out to you.

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I've seen pictures of it and I do apologize for this information, but what can you do?

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Don't shoot the messenger, Sardinia.

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I love that.

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That is my favorite thing.

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What can you do?

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That is my favorite thing.

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Sardinians.

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Sardinians.

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Sorry.

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What are you going to do?

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I don't like being the one who has to tell you this.

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It's bad news.

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Like the people in Sardinia have no idea.

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All of a sudden they wake up and they're like, oh shit, Carrie just told me we were covered

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in spiders.

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Time to go.

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Yeah, got to move.

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Time to go.

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But like I said, I think that they're just spiders.

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And that's based on the rest of this clip, but I knew we needed a break after that.

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That's too good.

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Just for a comparison, from what I understand, Miles Johnston has a source that has told

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him that there are spider beings hiding out in the area in North England called the Lake

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District and in the tunnels there.

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So that is also very disconcerting information.

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It sure is.

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So they're living in the tunnels like some sort of troll or ninja turtle.

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He did say spider beings though.

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Right.

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So he could just actually be talking about spiders.

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Could be.

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And they do live in England.

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That's a documented fact.

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Right.

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But I think that it's implied that's not worth talking about, that there are spiders places.

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These are aliens.

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Right.

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But here's what.

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So she apologized to the Sardinians, but it's like, look, England.

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That's on you.

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Right.

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You asked for him.

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No, to be fair, it does seem to be, it does seem to follow from the way she's talking

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about it, that there's less in the UK, that there's a ton in Sardinia.

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So many in Sardinia.

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I don't fucking know, man.

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I got nothing on that other than I'm sorry to the people of Sardinia as well.

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I'm sorry.

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Sardinians, dude, it's rough.

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It's a tough situation.

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I'm sorry that we had to be the second hand bearers of this.

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Absolutely.

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You're a Sardinian listener of Knowledge Fight and you didn't know about Kerry pronouncing

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that spiders are covering your land.

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What are you going to do?

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What are you going to do?

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So.

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Thoughts and prayers.

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So Trump is a guy and Mark has some thoughts about him.

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Oh, that's surprising.

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Trump has been, or Mark has been kind of pro-Trump in the past.

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Yeah.

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And spoiler alert, he still is.

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Surprise.

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But this is phrased weird.

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The Trump administration, they are the only ones fighting for us in the US at this time,

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but there is something going on right now with that administration.

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She does not say what that is.

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That's it.

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That's it.

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That's all we get.

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That's it.

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Oh, in this case, then once again, I am going to apologize to the people of Sardinia because

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something bad's happening.

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Well, but also once again, I'll say, I agree.

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There is something up with this administration.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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Until you qualify what you're talking about, I'm going to go ahead and say, yup, something's

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up.

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So this now takes a turn in a direction I could never have predicted.

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That's why we do Project Camelot episodes.

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Right.

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If it didn't take a turn into the unpredictable, what's the point?

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Right.

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But this isn't good, unpredicted.

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Oh boy.

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I asked him if Kevin Spacey was set up and Mark totally agrees that Kevin Spacey is being

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set up because of what he knows.

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Now that's just the perfect demonstration of him, yes, anding her.

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But also, I wonder if it's just because Spacey is in his name.

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Why would Kerry ask him if Kevin Spacey was set up?

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Is that even a thing?

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Because he was in K-Pax?

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Is there a...

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Well, that actually does sound right.

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I'm trying to think of any reason.

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Is that a thing online?

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Are people saying?

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It's not something that I've seen.

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I have not seen any conspiracy theories regarding that.

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I'm pretty sure universally everybody's like, yeah, he probably did that shit.

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Well, there's the denialists and stuff like that that will go around, but that's just

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more of a...

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Well, people are still denying for R. Kelly, but nobody's saying that Space being set him

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up.

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Right, right, right.

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That's the version that I don't think I've ever heard.

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I've heard just like, who gives a shit or this is all made up.

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Right, right, right.

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But I've not heard anyone suggest that this is some sort of a he knew too much situation.

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It sounds like he did though.

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That seems crazy.

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That's wild.

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That's wild.

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It also seems crazy that Carrie's asking.

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I don't understand that at all.

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I do think it's just because he has space on his name.

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I know that it sounds like I'm joking, but I think that's what's going on.

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I wouldn't be surprised, but maybe sometimes they also just shit the shit, man.

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Yeah, it could be.

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Maybe they're just talking.

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It could be.

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Maybe this is an incidental thing.

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We've already talked about raptors and shit, and now we're just getting to the news of

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the day, which she just found out that Kevin Spacey is in trouble.

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But since it took her for so long to figure out that the Spider-Man was bitten by a radioactive

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spider, I wouldn't be surprised if Kevin Spacey was breaking news for her.

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Yeah, that's possible.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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But you know what?

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There's other news.

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I'll be honest with you, towards the end of this, I really zoned out.

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I was so bored by things that were being said, that when this next clip played, it was almost

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like I got jostled out of a sleep, or someone threw a bucket of cold water on my face.

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I was like, what the fuck?

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And I had to scroll back and be like, did I hear that correctly?

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Because this is the craziest shit I've ever heard.

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There was a raptor wedding in late February around the 28th, and Mark says this was a

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major wedding uniting two major raptor family lines.

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Of course.

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And Mark calls it a great love story.

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There was a raptor wedding.

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Did he just watch the Deer Hunter?

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What is going on?

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There was a raptor wedding, and Mark is happy for the couple.

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Well it is.

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It's a beautiful love story.

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Can I ask you this?

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Why do raptors get married?

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That's a human concept.

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What are you talking about?

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Why do they get married?

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Monogamy is not necessarily a human construct or anything like that.

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That does exist in the wild and all that sort of stuff.

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But the formal ceremony of marriage is something humans created.

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It was brought to us by the raptors.

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Exactly.

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Boom!

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Turn around.

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Got it.

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How else are you going to allocate land to your family?

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They live in space.

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Well, how are you going to allocate certain sectors of space?

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They're going to farm.

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Jordan, I know you're like, this is good stuff.

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I'm trying.

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I'm trying.

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This is stupid.

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I want it.

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I want it.

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Raptors are in love.

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What about spiders then?

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Do they get married?

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Spiders can't get married.

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Do reptilians get married?

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Reptilians are evil.

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Do grays get married?

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Grays are evil.

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What about dog beings?

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Dog beings?

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No.

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They have little things.

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Mantis beings.

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They actually mate backwards.

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Mantis beings?

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No.

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They kill each other.

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Okay.

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See?

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The only race that makes sense to have marriage is raptors and Draco.

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I just thought outside of the context of this being an episode where we're talking about

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Carrie Cassidy running interference for a fucking murderer.

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Raptor love?

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That's a delightful clip.

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There was a raptor wedding recently.

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Why was he just... now he's just sharing news?

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Now he's just sharing gossip around the... oh, and here's an update on Teresa, the raptor.

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Like the socialite news page.

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Raptors were spotted getting married on Tuesday.

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So we learned a little bit of human celebrity news with Kevin Spacey.

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Right.

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We learned that raptors got married, solidifying an alliance between two major raptor families,

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which heretofore, we did not know that they were separated into families.

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No.

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And now we jump back to human celebrities because there was a death.

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Kevin Sorbo.

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No.

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Oh, okay.

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There was a death in the celebrity world not too long back, and Carrie wants to know about

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it.

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Regarding Jan Michael Vincent, the actor, he was a close friend of Mark's and died of

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alcoholism because he had seen too much, knew too much, and couldn't handle it.

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Mark had the utmost respect for him and misses him.

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So Jan Michael Vincent.

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Mark was friends with Jan Michael Vincent?

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Apparently.

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That is definitely one of those, this guy is just going to lie about fucking whatever.

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Yeah.

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There is no benefit to be gained from calling yourself a Jan Michael Vincent friend.

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Yeah.

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No, I mean, there's something to be gained, I suppose.

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You look cool.

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The Jan Michael Vincent fans?

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Yeah.

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The Jan heads?

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The Airwolf fans.

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The Airwolf?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Maybe he just watched Airwolf as a kid.

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Or in prison.

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Or in prison.

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They got TVs in there and shit.

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They do.

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But I mean, at least that's current.

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He died on the 10th of February, so that's pretty close to when Carrie was going and

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doing this interview.

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That's true.

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It makes sense that Mark would want to lie about being friends with him.

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That's cool.

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Is that cool?

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Yeah, it's real cool.

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It's real cool.

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Also real not true.

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Yeah.

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So here we have the last clip where Carrie, this is how she ends the episode, and I think

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that she's giving her audience advice that will work against her best interests.

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No, that's not good.

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I want to thank you for watching and for listening and for supporting the work of Project Camelot.

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Take care and please use discernment and do your own investigation.

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Thank you and good night.

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Good night, Carrie.

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The idea of saying you should do your own research is only going to lead people to realize

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that she's full of shit and doesn't know anything, so I would advise her against telling people

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to research things.

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That's a bad idea.

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Although that's a bad look.

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You don't want to be a truth teller and a truth seeker kind of person and be like, don't

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look into this.

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No, don't worry about it.

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Don't worry about it.

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Don't worry about it.

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We've all been there.

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I got this covered.

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Yeah.

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Come on, trust me.

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Trust me.

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Trust me.

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Trust me.

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It's so weird that Carrie decided to even get into any of the specifics of Mark's case

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because she has such a poor grasp on the details of the case, what's going on.

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The way that she articulates her interactions with him are so parallel to that police interview.

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It opens up a can of worms where it really reveals how manipulated she is by him and

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how willing of a participant she is in that manipulation along with him.

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So I just think it's a real stupid game to play.

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It's a dumb gambit.

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It's a little disconcerting because it's almost like she's in a one woman cult.

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Two women because his wife, Joanne.

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Oh, that's right.

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Because his wife is there too.

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But yeah, it is a little bit like you are full on willing to do anything to justify

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what it is that he is telling you.

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Her friend, Simon Parks, who talks to mantis beings, he's also in that cult.

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As best I can tell, it's like a three person dance because yeah, even in the trailer for

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that docu-series that that guy is making, KM is making, he has some interviews with

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people who are into the UFO communities and stuff like that and they're like, it does

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a really great disservice to people who are trying to actually look into these things

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for people to just pass off.

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Just trust a murderer.

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Well, I mean, you know, I don't think they put it that way, but they like charlatanry

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and stuff like that.

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And I think there's a fair point there.

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I think that's a salient point.

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So even the mainstream quote unquote serious UFO folks don't like Mark.

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Of course not.

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So yeah, she is sort of in a world of her own.

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And I think I think that drawing attention to it makes her look so much worse.

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So when she does draw attention to it, it just seems like this is stupid.

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You shouldn't do that.

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But you can only hide for so long.

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I mean, like five years ago, most people weren't talking about him.

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That's what I was going to say.

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Yeah.

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And now, not that a lot of people are, but more people are aware of his story and the

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fact that he's a fucking murderer.

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And it's hilarious the fact that he's transitioned into this guy who's like, I know the raptors.

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They get married.

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They take your chocolate.

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They're fighting against other beings and Beatles down in Vietnam and all wars are really

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just about Stargates and all this stuff.

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It's pretty funny on some level when you uncouple it from the fact that he is the kind of guy

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who would manipulate a 17-year-old into murdering a guy who was in his wedding and tell him

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finish the job with a screwdriver.

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Like when you take, you forget about that part, hilarious.

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You keep that part in, still kind of funny, but also very upsetting.

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And tragic.

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Yeah.

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There is a certain amount of parallel here with AJ too in that it's like...

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Don't fucking call him AJ.

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Ah, come on.

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I was trying it out.

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I was having some fun.

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I thought you were talking about Benza.

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No.

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That because of the popularity, she's running this scam and the goal really for these types

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of scams is to keep them contained.

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And once it starts getting out and you start getting attention, you're fucked up.

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You lose control a little bit.

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You can't do it.

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And so you wind up making bad decisions like trying to actually defend him.

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Right.

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That's foolish.

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But the difference is I think that Alex got paid and I don't know if Kerry did.

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I doubt she did.

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Well, at least not on the level of it.

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And I don't think that she's necessarily responsible for the overexposure of Mark.

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No, I absolutely agree.

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But she's part of it.

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She is.

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She is.

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I think it's just a natural thing that's going to come out because it's an awesome story.

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Yeah, that's true.

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You know, like the idea of...

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As long as a couple people start talking about the idea that there's this guy who got these

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kids who worked for him to murder a guy, then he went to prison and started a career in

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fan fiction or space fan fiction that he's presenting as real.

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And oh, also before he went to prison, he was going to take over Marin County with lasers

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that were going to destroy bridges and these kids were going to be knights of his round

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table.

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Like all that stuff, it's too good of a story for people to not enjoy or look into or pay

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attention to.

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So you reach a critical mass once enough people are looking at the story that like...

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It's almost destined to blow up if you're trying to pretend it's real.

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Oh, of course.

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It's too good.

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Well, how many documentaries have you watched on Netflix with way less interesting stories

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than this and you were still like, this is a pretty good documentary.

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Yeah, I watched three episodes of The Staircase or whatever before I turned it off.

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And you're like...

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I'm sure maybe it gets good.

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I don't know.

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I'm sorry.

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Not important.

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This is not the time to litigate The Staircase.

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Someone could make an amazing series.

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And this guy is doing that.

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This KM guy is doing probably what will be an amazing series about this story and part

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of the story now is that Carrie is a victim of Mark's manipulation willingly and also

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defensively.

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Man, surprised we didn't even have the thought to make a documentary.

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We should have gotten there first.

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I didn't have the thought, but that's not like nearly within the scope of what I could

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do.

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Yeah.

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We could call a guy.

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We need a team.

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We could call a contracting service.

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Call Larry Nichols.

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Ah.

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We wouldn't be able to know the name of the contracting service, though.

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It's not really named.

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You know how much that would cost, though, too?

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We don't have nearly the money.

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Nah, we could find...

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We put together a pitch.

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We get the money.

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We could pretend that we need to pay back a repatriation.

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Yeah, everybody listening to Knowledge Fight right now, really go to the Patreon.

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We need $2,500 by tomorrow, otherwise the government's gonna send us back.

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Because the government took me out of Eastern Europe.

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So that brings us to the end of this.

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I think we've learned a bit.

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Mostly the Kerry is very dumb.

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Very.

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But I guess we didn't learn that.

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No.

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But we did learn about repatriation loans.

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I suppose this is dumb in more of a...

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I don't know.

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I guess this is dumb in more of a concentrated evil way than it has been previous.

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We started out very hard with her justifying a murder.

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But I think that she hasn't read that interview with the detectives.

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I think she hasn't looked at the court records or anything like that, but is pretending that

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she did.

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And I think that that is evil in negligence.

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But I think that she's merely pretending that she has this information in her mind.

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If she does have that information and she still believes this shit, then that's fucking

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awful.

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But I still think that she's bluffing about what she's actually...

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You think so?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I don't know.

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Because I wouldn't be surprised if she did read all that information and just summarily

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dismiss it as, I doubt she read the 131 page.

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If you read that, you cannot imagine for a second that he's not a huge liar.

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I don't think she read that.

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But I wouldn't be surprised if she dismissed all of the court records and shit as being,

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oh, it's just a railroad job and I don't even need to worry about it.

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Yeah, perhaps.

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But if so, then that's still negligent as fuck.

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I mean, because you're defending a murderer without having read the evidence.

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And evil.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, we have a website.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Correct.

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We'll be back on Monday with a new episode.

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But we're also on Twitter.

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We are.

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It's at knowledge underscore fight.

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Correct.

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And I'm at go to bed Jordan.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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Isn't it interesting?

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You started a Twitter and I got rid of my Twitter.

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Yeah.

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Almost fairly close to the same time.

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Inverse.

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Yes.

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We're also on Facebook.

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We are indeed.

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You got a group called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.

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Yep.

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We're on iTunes.

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We are.

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Great reviews.

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Subscribe.

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All that good stuff.

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Do it all.

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So I would say, I mean, I guess I know that this Andrew, that guy didn't kill anybody.

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Yeah.

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I mean, he was involved in the plot, so I'm not going to-

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I would go with K.M.

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K.M. didn't kill anybody.

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We don't know that.

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He does run a sex shop in Amsterdam.

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Don't know that.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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Peter Falk didn't kill anybody.

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Not even in the Falklands.

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Are you looking up whether or not Peter Falk killed somebody?

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I am.

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Oh no.

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That would be the weirdest news.

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The good people of Sardinia-

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Who, again, apologies.

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Most of them.

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I mean, I'm sure some Sardinians have killed people, but most of the population of Sardinia

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never killed anybody.

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About to be eaten by spiders too, so that's a bummer.

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But one guy who technically, not probably, absolutely killed somebody is Mark Richards.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.