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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages,

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Hi Jordan.

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Dan, when was the last time we recorded in the morning?

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Oh, I can't remember.

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I don't think we ever have.

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It's awful.

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The sunlight coming in from the window behind you is very unfamiliar territory.

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We're recording this in the morning because this afternoon I am flying out on vacation.

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About time.

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Yeah, a little bit. Although I missed the window of the negative 50 degrees Chicago.

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By a couple days I could have dodged that.

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You were there. You were there, man.

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Yeah, it'll still be nice to get out of this cold and what have you for a couple days.

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And because of that we have to record this ahead of time so we can get this episode out for Monday

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so we don't leave everybody high and dry. But we will not have an episode on Wednesday,

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just by virtue of there's no way we could have pulled that off.

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No way.

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I wish we could have, but we could not. But we'll be back on Friday after this episode

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and we appreciate everybody allowing me to have a little bit of...

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Yeah, what's your vacation, Dan?

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Man, it's just going to hang out with my parents.

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About two days?

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Yeah.

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It's a weekend.

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Yeah, it's kind of still a work vacation.

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Emotional work vacation.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But so I am very thrilled about that though because, I mean, this last week,

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especially of this show, has been nuts. In terms of Roger Stone getting indicted,

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and I was having that episode last Monday, and then Alex's clear indications that he's

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fucking done with Roger at the end of last week. And even, we haven't talked too much about this,

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but I was working on a really big episode right before Roger got indicted. So it was like

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three straight days of intensive work on that. Roger gets indicted, fuck,

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this has got to go on the back burner and I got to dive into the...

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So I'm very excited to not do this for a little couple of days.

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You deserve it.

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Yeah.

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Please.

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Thanks.

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Don't open your fucking computer. I don't even read the news, for God's sake.

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I'll probably check Twitter, but beyond that, I'm not doing anything.

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Yeah.

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But this is a podcast where, because of working the candle at both ends, as it were,

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I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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Oh, and I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones.

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And it doesn't matter today because we're not talking about Alex Jones.

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Oh, thank God.

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I'm going on vacation. I'm sick and tired of talking about him at this point.

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We did a lot of Alex Jones in a very short period of time.

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No Wacky Wednesday last week. So that means Wacky Wednesday is coming on Monday this week.

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Hey.

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We've got an interesting Project Camelot episode to go over.

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Hey.

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That'll be a lot of fun. But before we get to that, I got to give a couple of shout outs

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to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. First of all,

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they'd like to say thank you to Glenn. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Glenn.

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Thank you, Glenn.

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Next, Brendan. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Brendan.

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Thank you, Brendan.

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Next, Chandler. Thank you. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Chandler.

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Thank you, Chandler.

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How supportive can you be? I don't know. I was trying to do a friends thing.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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I got to go on vacation. That's a sign. That joke is no good.

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But something that is very good is another person who's supporting the show, Robbie.

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Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much, Robbie.

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Finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated a little bit of an elevated level.

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And we appreciate it also very much.

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So, Dylan, thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Daddy shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much, Dylan.

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Thank you very much, Dylan.

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If you're out there listening, you're thinking, hey, I like what these guys do.

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I'd like to support that that type of business.

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You can do that. Not really business, but you can do that by going to our website,

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knowledgefight.com, clicking the button, support the show.

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We would appreciate it.

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Absolutely. We would.

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So, Jordan, like I said, it's Project Camelot time.

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Indeed it is.

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The most recent episodes have been a little bit of a mess.

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They haven't been the sort of things that necessarily we like to cover.

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I don't need to hear Carrie Cassidy talk to some weirdo about 5G technology.

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I don't really need to hear that.

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I want to hear about space.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I don't want to hear her talk about real science, but then just lie bullshit about that.

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That sucks.

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Alex can do that stuff for us.

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We can cover that.

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There are commonalities that we miss a little bit,

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because I don't want to talk about her version of that.

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Right.

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It's so similar to Alex's and delivered less interestingly.

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Yeah, unless spider leadership is involved with 5G technology.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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Yeah, so we sort of punt on those a little bit, but I found an episode recently.

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There's a new episode that just came out with starring, starring,

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starring this guy named Sebastian Martin.

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And he's on to promote his new book.

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And so I started listening to it.

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I'm like, wow, this is pretty good stuff.

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This is interesting.

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Starts talking about Lush.

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Ah, I remember from that episode.

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The guy who thought that there was an alien base under the Getty Museum.

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Yep, yep, yep.

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So I'm like, oh, this guy's he's in deep.

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He's talking about Lush.

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Like, all right, he's talking about how he had these like these messages from aliens

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and like he had experienced these things with aliens.

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So he wrote a book.

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And he starts talking about how he had some people who he had good help editing the book.

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And to me, I'm thinking if you're getting messages from aliens, you don't need an editor.

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That that struck me weird.

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No, no, no, no, that's unfair.

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That is unfair.

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Everybody needs an editor, especially Stephen King in the 90s.

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True, but he wasn't channeling alien material.

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Were he to be.

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He's doing a lot of coke.

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Yeah, but that's very similar.

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That's not the same thing.

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It's pretty similar, I feel like.

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So I listened to that.

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I'm like, I want to go over this.

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Certainly, at least the weird like, why do you got to edit alien messages?

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But then I was like, this is too reliant on their previous interviews.

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You could tell that there was a bigger story behind it, but they weren't talking about

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the specifics of it because they'd already done that on a previous episode.

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So I went back to a year prior, the first time Sebastian Martin was on the show.

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And we are going to hear about this guy's backstory.

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And it is wild.

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OK, sweet.

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I got to be honest.

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I love me as Sebastian, so I'm kind of on his side right off the right off the gate.

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I'm going to tell you ahead of time and tell the listeners that this is simultaneously

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the most fascinating and most boring story I've ever heard in my life.

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All right.

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That is I was I was like Schrodinger's backstory.

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The details of this are super interesting.

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But as I was going over it, I kept finding myself zoning out.

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I kept like this is why he needs an editor.

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I was just like, whoa, God, I guess I guess he's talking about the Anunnaki.

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OK, cool.

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There was moments like that.

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I had to like I had to sort of slap myself in the face and be like, get in the game,

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get in the game.

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You've got to listen.

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So there will be a little bit of that.

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But here is an out of context drop from today's show.

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It is a problem where people put aliens, so-called aliens on pedestals, so to speak.

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Don't put aliens on pedestals.

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That is a problem.

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You know what?

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Deep down, we're all equal.

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We're all equal.

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You don't got to elevate aliens on a pedestal.

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They're just going to disappoint you.

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Exactly.

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All an alien on a pedestal can do is fall.

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Exactly.

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I don't think that's the sort of concern that Carrie's bringing to the table.

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It's more that she's she's worried that we over exaggerate the the evolved levels of

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alien, certain aliens, probably.

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I think she has a very different feeling about different types of aliens, which you could

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read between the lines however you like.

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So Sebastian is on the show.

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And it's interesting.

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They this interview came out beginning of 2017.

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The two of them don't really know each other, Carrie and Sebastian.

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They're they're on a little bit of.

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Oh, here's the other thing I wanted to say.

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He's a French dude.

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So now this is going to be more fun.

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He has to be more fun.

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He has an accent.

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And I think that Carrie is one of the types of people who gets tricked by an accent.

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And it makes it makes dumb things sound smarter to American ears.

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Very exotic.

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You hear a European accent saying things, especially French or British.

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Those are accents that really it's a hack.

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It's like a little override in people's brains.

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You're like, oh, this guy's obviously smart.

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He's French.

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You know, that sort of thing.

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So some of the stuff that he's saying, I would I would beg the audience to imagine he wasn't

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French saying these things and see if they sound at all reasonable.

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Now, Carrie and Sebastian met at this alien conference.

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I think they call it the Alien Congress or something like the Alien Congress.

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I don't think they have any kind of actual legislative power.

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Yeah, I don't think so.

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There's no balance.

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There's no there's no alien executive.

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There's no separation of alien powers either.

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I think it's just a name.

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Everybody's putting aliens on a pedestal in that case.

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True.

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So here's how they start out the interview.

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And yep.

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Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.

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And today we are at the Unifo Congress.

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And we took this opportunity to meet up with Sebastian Martin, who is here as well, attending

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the conference.

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And he's a very interesting man.

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He has been out and around telling his story a bit.

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But we're going to delve down maybe a little deeper here.

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And this is a great opportunity for Project Camelot to talk to him about his what's been

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going on with him over many, many years.

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And I'm going to let him introduce himself since I actually don't know him that well.

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I've only heard a couple interviews with him.

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So I don't I don't know.

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I feel like Carrie knows nothing considering that she's saying, like, what's been going

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on with him for many years?

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He's been going around telling people stories like I think that she maybe skimmed an interview

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with him or something like that.

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You can prepare.

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No, you can't.

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You can.

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Dan, we don't do the show with you just starting and stopping the show.

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You prepare for the show.

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Yeah.

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And she's doing even less work.

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I don't have a UFO Congress to get ready to go to, though.

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You know what I'm saying?

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That takes.

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She probably really front loaded her schedule, preparing for the Congress.

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Right.

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Right.

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The joint session of the UFO Congress and forgot to prepare for this interview in any

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way.

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But she wisely says, Sebastian, introduce yourself.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, I don't know who you are.

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Some things.

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Some things have been going on with you.

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Exactly.

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So he does.

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So I was a CEO of a multinational for over 10 years in Canada.

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So this struck my ears strange.

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Oh my God.

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First of all, you're going to listen to a French accent all day.

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So he says he's a CEO of a multinational corporation.

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And I'm like, hmm.

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Or he says he was.

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And immediately I'm like, I don't believe anybody who's on Project Camelot.

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Just I don't believe them across the board.

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Right.

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But in terms of like people who lie about being in the CIA or the military and stuff

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like that, I can't figure that out.

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But if you're the CEO of a company, that record should be somewhere.

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Probably.

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Yeah, you would think.

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So now, hold on.

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You can, however, fudge that number right there.

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Like you could be, look, you could have a franchise of McDonald's in Canada and and

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then like one right across the border in America and call yourself a multinational.

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Multinational business.

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But you couldn't call yourself a CEO.

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No, but that's what I'm saying.

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You you get a startup, right?

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Put a you put a front office in both Canada and the United States.

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And you're the CEO of a multinational corporation.

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We'll see what the truth is.

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So across the board, in the few interviews I've watched of Sebastian Martin, as well

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as his bio on Amazon and the blurb of his newly released book, which is called Inner

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Journey in Outer Space, Martin consistently refers to himself as the former CEO of a multinational

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company.

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But in no instance does he ever say what that company was, which I found very suspicious.

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If you just Google his name, you find a ton of Sebastian Martins who aren't him, which

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doesn't get me anywhere.

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In this episode, he mentions that his company was based in Canada.

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So I decided I decided to search for Sebastian Martin, CEO Canada, and see what came up.

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It turns out what came up is his LinkedIn page, which mysteriously doesn't contain any

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entries in his job history that involve being the CEO of a multinational company.

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He has two jobs listed.

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One is his current the business that he runs and Suho Distribution, which is a website

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mostly about New Age pseudo spiritual nonsense, trying to bring together light workers and

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what have you.

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And he's suing hoes.

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That's what he's doing.

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And the second one is a position as the director of Foki Herbs Incorporated.

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Neither of these positions could be the CEO position he always cites as a part of his

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history, partially because the entire time he was at Foki Herbs, another person whose

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LinkedIn page I found, it doesn't need to be dragged into any of this, had a higher

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position in the company than he did.

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And beyond that, the timeline doesn't work out.

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Now, that part is just you being a dick.

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Look at your LinkedIn page.

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I want to know what he's talking about.

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No, I know, but there's a part of me that's like, you looked through the other LinkedIn

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pages to find somebody who is like a little bit higher.

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That's a little bit dicky.

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No, it's not.

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It's not a little bit higher.

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Your research is thorough.

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It's not a little bit higher.

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How much higher it is.

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Quite.

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In another interview that Sebastian said that he was the CEO of this company until he sold

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it in 2013.

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So neither of the two entries on his LinkedIn page could possibly represent a CEO experience.

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And that seems like something you wouldn't just leave off of your resume on a job website.

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The fact that you were the CEO of a multinational company.

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He's a modest man.

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He doesn't want to know how he's modest in that he writes it in a book and says it on

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a ton of interviews that he was a CEO.

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Right.

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He's not going to put it in his resume.

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That would look, you don't want to be overqualified for a job either, Dan.

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So I'm seeing a dead end here and I'm getting super curious about this and I need to know

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what's up.

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So in the honors and accolades section of his LinkedIn page, Sebastian includes a link

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to an article about the 2012 Canadian Excellence in Corporate Responsibility Awards where he

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says, where he says, I don't know, but he says that his business got an honorable mention

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in the small slash medium business of any sector category.

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Boom.

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There it is.

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Sebastian was the CEO of a company called wetter spoon organic.

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Wetter spoon organic is a honey company.

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They sell small jars of boutique honey for absurdly high prices, but that's not all they

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do.

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They also promote their honey as having antibacterial properties.

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Interestingly, that's not a problem.

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Honey absolutely does have antibacterial properties, but wetter spoon has been accused of exaggerating

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their honey's powers on that front.

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And in March 2015, they were hit with a class action lawsuit for it.

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That suit would be voluntarily withdrawn in December, but the exact details of why it

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got withdrawn haven't been made public.

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From looking at a series of court filings throughout fall 2015, it does appear that

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they reached some sort of out-of-court settlement, but it's hard to say for sure.

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So wetter spoon organic sells all sorts of honey-based products.

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For $50, you can get a honey-based night cream.

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Or for $22, you can get a smaller tube of day cream.

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Hey, you want to put my honey cream on your face?

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Uh, some of the products drifted to sort of Alex Jonesy territory.

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For $21, you can buy a five-pack of single serving tubes of honey plus vitality, which

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are apparently perfect for when you're on the go.

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I would rather put that on my burger than super male vitality.

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Sure.

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That's for sure.

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It's at least food.

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It's at least food.

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Yeah.

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They sell versions that are honey plus immunity and honey plus clarity, advertising that it

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fuels the body and the mind.

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That sort of thing.

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So it looks like Sebastian ran a small to medium boutique, uh, honey operation that

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he's trying to make sound like it was a fortune 500 company in order to elevate his story.

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It's moments like this that I'm glad that I got to the bottom of the story, but also

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realized that it probably wasn't worth it.

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We could have just assumed it was something like this.

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I told you immediately what exactly it was.

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It's a place that has an office in two countries and he just called it.

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That's what he called it.

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Yep.

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So it's one of those things where it's like, if he was just honest with it, I wouldn't

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have been curious.

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Yeah.

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But he's trying to make it seem like the business was much larger than it, than it was.

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And that's not to take anything away from him.

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He did, he did run this, this business.

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And he got an award.

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And from everything I can tell, like he started it, uh, from like nothing running out of his

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apartment and did build it to the small slash medium size.

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That's cool.

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Sure.

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You should be proud of that.

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I'm not going to take that away from him.

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I am going to say it's slightly dishonest to only represent that as the CEO of a multinational

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corporation.

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He's very modest.

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I think it's a little bit fast and loose.

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And the reason that he's doing that is to elevate his story and make himself seem way

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more important.

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So whatever he's saying is so much more important by virtue of that.

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Yeah.

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This is the what?

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Stolen business valor.

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Like that's kind of what we're talking about here.

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But it's the difference between it being entirely made up and just exaggerated.

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So like, it would be like someone who is just a rank and file, uh, enlisted person.

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And then they're saying that they were general.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It's that, it's that level of it.

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So I give him credit enough for being a CEO and not it not being a lie, but I also think

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it's spiritually a little bit of a lie.

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How do you get both sued and an honorable mention in the years?

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Oh, the years were different.

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Yeah.

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2012 was when he got that honorable mention.

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And then 2015 was when they got the class.

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So did they take away his honorable mention for responsibility or whatever it was?

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The lawsuit wasn't even, uh, as far as I can tell, when he was the CEO of the company,

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like he had sold the business in 2013.

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All right.

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So that even isn't necessarily, um, on him.

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You know, at least he wasn't around as the CEO at the time, but you do kind of get the

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sense that like, well, that's probably the marketing that they've been using all along.

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Yeah.

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So I don't know.

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Where's he getting this fucking honey from?

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Uh, New Zealand.

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I get it from Elion.

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New Zealand.

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Raw bees.

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Raw bees?

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Well, the honey is raw.

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I don't know.

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I assume the bees are too.

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Is it all honey raw?

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No, no, no, no, no.

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There's a process that, uh, it's like raw milk.

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It's that same sort of thing.

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Oh, fuck that.

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Except raw honey is not as dangerous as raw milk.

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Yeah.

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Doesn't honey, isn't that the only thing that never goes bad ever or whatever it is?

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Yeah.

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And it can heal wounds.

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Yeah, yeah, they use it as, yeah.

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The honey is a very interesting thing and let's move along.

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Let's look into the background of honey.

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So anyway, that was four seconds into his introduction.

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We find that he is a CEO, but might be embellishing.

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And, um, I, um, had offices in Pennsylvania, UK, New Zealand.

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And in 2011, um, I had, um, basically a dream that, uh, was a common dream.

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It was, um, the face of a boy that looked at me and he had eyes that were a bit more,

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you know, away from each other, uh, than ours.

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And, uh, he had a higher cheekbones and he was so close to me that I could not see his chin.

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And he was very happy.

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Like he smiled, you know, I could see his white teeth.

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He could have been like a Californian surfer dude, you know, but, uh, not for me, sir,

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but it was surreal, but at the same time, not that unusual because, you know, I could just see him.

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It was a very brief moment.

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When I woke up in the morning, um, I went to work and that, uh, boy, uh, that face,

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uh, was still in front of me all day long and it was highly disturbing.

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So he had a bad dream in 2011.

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Yeah.

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He had a weird dream of a kid, uh, who had weird eyes, smiling, and I maybe had a chin or not.

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And then that face was staring at him all day.

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Well, I think he just means in this case that he couldn't get the image out of his head.

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I prefer to imagine that he just had a face like directly in front of him, like three feet away.

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Like a carrot thing going out in front of him.

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Yeah, he had to keep like looking around and he's like, dude, I'm in traffic.

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Yeah, that would be, I mean, I think if that were the case,

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he probably would have specified it.

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I think he just was thinking about this boy all day.

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It was in front of him all day.

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So that evening he comes home from work after having this bad dream and this kid being in

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his head all day and he starts to meditate or something.

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It's not really clear what he's up to.

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And then the boy appears to him in his liver.

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I was making some honey.

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Yes, I normally.

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And I decided to sit down on my sofa, um, late at night.

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It was very quiet and I pulled myself a cup of tea beforehand and left it on the counter.

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Important detail.

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And sat down on the sofa and then I closed my eyes, uh, not really knowing what to expect.

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I was basically, uh, so disturbed by, you know, this face that, uh, something must've

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happened.

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I understand why you're zoning out.

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I was trying to ask to get some answers, I'm guessing.

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He needs an avenue.

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And then I closed my eyes.

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Within one second I could feel this wind, a whirlwind of energy going all around me.

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And then it stopped.

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And when that stopped, I basically just opened my eyes and there was this boy that's standing

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in front of me.

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And he was about, you know, nine feet away from me.

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What up, bro?

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And, um, he was glowing, but the glow of energy was very close to his body.

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It was not, you know, huge enough to see him in full details.

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And, um, he was not really transparent.

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He was physically there.

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Like I could see in full form.

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So you got this boy in his room now in his living room.

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This, uh, this, uh, ethereal, uh, auric, uh, being is now, uh, paid him a visit since he

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made some tea and then sat down on the couch, which apparently is how you beckon a spirit.

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Just like a Frenchman to, uh, leave his doors unlocked.

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Letting the aliens in at all hours of the night.

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Wait, is he from France or is he?

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Oh, he's from just south of Bordeaux.

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Oh, okay.

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He's a legit Frenchman, but yeah, he's, uh, apparently spent some time in Germany.

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The UK and Canada also throughout his, uh, his path.

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And actually honey everywhere he goes.

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He's the Johnny honey seed of Europe.

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Nope.

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It's before that.

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And actually he explains why he went to different countries and it's very disappointing.

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Kicked out.

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Nope.

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Uh, so that night he's sitting there, this, uh, this boy comes and visits him.

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We don't know who this boy is yet, but it turns out the boy then introduces himself.

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And when I tried to get up on my seat, um, I was frozen.

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I couldn't move.

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And when I tried to speak, because I was kind of startled by the whole thing, uh, I could

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not speak.

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And when I saw him and he must have heard me, you know, uh, thinking like, who are you?

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What are you doing here?

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Um, and he basically responded saying, uh, my name is Zor, uh, Z-O-A-R and I'm from the

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galactic Federation.

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Actually, he said more like the galactic Alliance, not so much the Federation, but I'm guessing

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it was probably connected somehow.

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And we had a 15 minute long conversation, uh, which is kind of selfish.

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Except I wasn't allowed to talk.

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Interacting with a being like this.

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Not only I, uh, I was really startled, but I was kind of in a weird space.

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Yeah, it is a weird space.

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I was a little bit turned on at the same time.

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Cause I'm kind of into that.

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I may have had a night, uh, I may have had some sleep paralysis cause, uh, I just described

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exactly what sleep paralysis is, but no big deal.

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There's a, there's some of that.

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I think everything that he, uh, talks about is very explainable through, uh, just like

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context clues.

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But, uh, I do like the idea that he's saying like, I had a 50, a 50 minute conversation

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with this guy, which is a little bit selfish.

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I mean, this guy is an important alien, you know, like as if time matters to Zor.

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He can time travel.

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Time matters to Zor.

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Yeah, please.

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Again, this is my favorite thing.

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Anytime he's just like, uh, yeah, he's with the Galactic Federation.

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No apologies.

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The Galactic Alliance, not so much the Federation and Kerry's just like, right.

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Of course.

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Yes.

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Continue.

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That's an obvious thing.

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Of course.

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Also fun fact, if you Google Zor, uh, Intergalactic Alliance or whatever for Federation, uh, all

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of the information just keeps popping up.

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It's a Sebastian Martin type stuff.

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But I did find one thing that I wish I'd listened to.

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I didn't have the time to, but there's another podcast that he went on and on the same episode,

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John Rappaport is on it.

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So I don't think they're on it together.

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I don't think they're on the episode together.

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I think it's like this guy interviewed both of them in separate interviews on the same

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show, but just to show there's a, there's a spiritual connection that some podcasts

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will have both John Rappaport and Zor alien on the same show.

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Here's, here's my pitch.

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Cause this is what I see happening right now.

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Buddy com, uh, uh, buddy comedy, right?

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Road trip comedy through space.

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Zor, Sebastian, Sebastian, the whole time, Sebastian, the whole time is like, I'm a

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CEO of the, of this, uh, and Zor though, Zor is always like, I'm way up in the galactic

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Federation.

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And then they both kind of learn about each other and eventually they find out, you know,

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uh, eventually Sebastian has to be like, I, it's just a honey company, man.

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I've been lying to you this whole time.

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And then Zor is like, dude, I'm a janitor.

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I'm not that big as you.

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And then they both bond so hard.

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But also I'm a space janitor, but also I love honey.

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You know, I just realized like, I got to clean my apartment.

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Let's let's trade.

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As, as he was talking, I did again, find myself zoning out a little bit.

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And what I realized is that I could conceivably call myself the CEO of an international podcast.

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That's true.

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Uh, that would be as legitimate.

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Yeah.

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Maybe that's not fair to him.

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I don't think I'd be considered the CFO.

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Yeah.

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I don't know about that.

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Um, so in this next clip, one of the problems with Carrie and a lot of her guests is they

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start talking and they keep talking.

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That's one of the problems with this talk show is that they talk.

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Well, because they don't keep it in line, they don't keep the car or they start trying to

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develop these backstories for themselves.

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That leads them to the end point that they want.

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But at the same time, as they describe their backstory, you start to get these clues about

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like, Oh, what you're describing is, is, is not aliens.

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What you're describing isn't like you didn't, the end goal of whatever story you're telling

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isn't what you want it to be, but it's good enough to trick people in here.

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This next clip was my first sign of like a real red flag.

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My parents had a, an old farmhouse that they purchased and I knew it was haunted and I

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had a recurring nightmares, you know, not so much as a child, but I saw like ghost going

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in.

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So we're doing ghosts in the living room.

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And, um, I got used to that.

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You know, I got really used to that.

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Honey, ghosts, aliens, he's a triple threat.

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He kind of made sense to me.

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Like I understood, I had a, uh, a genuine understanding of us to know what they were

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in terms of entities.

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And they were not, um, like ETs or anything else.

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They were more like human beings who passed away and I could see their bodies floating

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around.

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And that was traditionally, yep.

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That's ghosts.

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That's ghosts.

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Um, so yeah, we see that he had a, his parents had a haunted shed, uh, that he was terrified

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of and had, uh, recurring nightmares as a child about these things that probably seeped

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into his consciousness a little bit to the point where he convinced himself he was seeing

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ghosts.

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Same thing.

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I think I had, I lived in Hawaii for a little bit growing up and when I lived there, we

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lived in this house that we came to find out was haunted or allegedly haunted.

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Right.

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There's a ghost, a spirit called the Kasha of Kaimuki, which is like a vengeful spirit

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that apparently lived in this house that we lived in.

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It was one of those things like we didn't have money at all.

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We were very poor and like property is pretty expensive in Hawaii.

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But it's cheaper if there was a fucking ghost there.

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The house had been like uninhabited for a while because no one wanted to move in because

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local, uh, like would be like, don't move into that house.

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It's fucking haunted.

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All this shit.

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We would have, uh, like, uh, these, uh, these old women like in MooMoos that would come

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and like throw salt at our house and chant every now and again.

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That's fun.

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Like I have weird little memories of that.

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Right.

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And I think I like, I have a memory of thinking I saw a ghost.

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Like I legitimately do.

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Like when I was laying in bed one night, I saw like, uh, something in my closet with

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a flaming ax.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And I could tell myself that's real.

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Right.

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And I could do the same story that he's doing.

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I could use that as that.

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Or I could say I was under the age of 10 and there were things that I couldn't understand

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like these women throwing salt at our house and things like that.

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My parents weren't good at explaining these things.

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So they tried to comfort me about the idea that these people think our house is haunted

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or whatever, but didn't really, they weren't, they weren't the best at like conflict resolution

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in that, in that way.

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Ghost conflict resolution.

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So I could have easily got it in my head that like, Oh, I communicated with ghosts.

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I saw all this.

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For sure.

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But the real thing is I just didn't integrate the information I was having.

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I was half asleep when I saw that guy with a flaming ax, obviously.

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And I was probably playing some sort of computer game back then that had something similar

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as a character, maybe playing Castlevania or something like that.

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So like a doom or whatever.

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Yeah.

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I wasn't allowed to play.

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You weren't allowed to play Doom.

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Probably wasn't allowed to play Castlevania either, but I think I might've had a friend's

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house or something.

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Right.

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Either way.

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What about Diablo?

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No, definitely not.

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Definitely not.

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Whatever the case is, there is a rational explanation for even like the circumstances

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that you find.

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Like there's a path you can take that's stupid and a path you can take that is more real.

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And he's taking a stupid path here.

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And it's unfortunate because it is like, you know, he is a kid who's plagued by nightmares.

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Yeah.

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And it's unfortunate that he's allowing these fantasies, he allowed these fantasies to take

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root in such a serious way.

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Right, right, right.

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So this is just the beginning.

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I like the idea of a house hunting show on HGTV that is just for like really discounted

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houses because they were haunted.

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That would be a really fascinating show.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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From what I understand, I don't know fully if this is the case, but like from what I

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understand after we moved out and moved to Missouri, that the house was, again, like

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no one moved in for like two years or something like that.

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Jesus.

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Because they just couldn't get anyone to go in.

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I don't know.

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Look, the point is we all choose our paths in life.

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And so we'll get back to some of his path.

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But before we do, I told you that he moved around a bunch through these countries and

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you were suspecting that he's selling honey or something like that.

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He's now just running from ghosts, I assume.

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Nope, it's not.

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He's running towards women.

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Why did you have to go to Germany, just out of curiosity?

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I had a girlfriend there.

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And so basically I just moved there and it was closer to her place.

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But you still were in the French services.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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So did you have a long time there or just you just did your bit?

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I only stayed there for about 10 months.

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And then I went back to France.

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I broke my arm at the end, just a few weeks before the end of my service, because what

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happened is I enjoyed so much that I actually enlisted.

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And I broke my arm during a training and I went back to France.

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And that's when I met my future wife three days later.

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So that's pretty much what happened.

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And I came back to Germany and broke my contract and I moved to England because that's what

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she's from.

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So within like 11 months, he moves to Germany for a woman, breaks his arm, gets out of the

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service, meets a woman in France, then moves to England for her.

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That's not a stable person.

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That to me is really like questionable behavior.

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I understand moving for like a lover.

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I totally do.

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Yeah.

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If you have nothing tying you down.

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I don't understand you saying lover.

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That's no good.

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But like if you have nothing tying you down necessarily to one geographical location and

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somebody else you care about is somewhere else, why not?

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Why not try and like start a life there if it's all appropriate.

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Now, doing that twice in a year is a little bit much.

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That tends to mean to me, it's not only that you have no ties to the geographical location

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you started in, it's that you have no ties to anything.

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You have, you are just a leaf in the wind being blown around like, Hey, I like this

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lady.

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I'm going to Germany.

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That's fun.

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Fuck it.

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I broke my arm.

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This is over.

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I'm going to England.

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It doesn't, it doesn't sound good because it seems like he's fulfilling all of our stereotypes

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about French people where he's just weak and pleasure loving, just going around the world,

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just, I live in Germany now and I fuck like it.

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I think we might need a new French stereotype, which is beholden to dumb ideas.

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That sounds slightly more legitimate because of an accent.

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So we get back now to his, his youthful paranormal, I guess, activity.

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Yeah, he was, we've heard that there was a haunted shed and he could talk to ghosts,

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but he was also having visions back then, back when he was younger.

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And I think the timeline of these visions is interesting and I think he gives up a little

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too much information.

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Well, okay.

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When did the vision start?

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Because you saw the ghost, but at what age approximately would you know?

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Probably around 12 years old, I would say.

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And it carried on, it increased in rates until the age of like 16.

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Okay.

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And after that, you know, it kind of quiet down a bit.

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And when I met my wife, it completely disappeared because I blocked it off for 10 years.

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So the first thing there at the end is there's a voluntary aspect to it.

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There is a piece of it where he can block these visions for 10 years.

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Sure.

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He has a lot of mental fortitude.

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Well, we'll get to why they came back in the next clip.

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But when I got a divorce, what?

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Nope.

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When I hear, uh, from 12 to 16, it was terrible and uncontrollable at 12 and at 16, it subsided.

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I hear that this might be a hormonal issue.

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Do you think it might have something to do with puberty?

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What's going on?

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What, who has ever had interesting emotional issues when they're going in the years 12 to 16?

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I think it's very common.

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You have a pubescent crisis a little bit in terms of the changing hormonal levels.

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There's a lot of stress that accompanies that there.

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It's very simple to look at this and be like, I would say based on that timeline,

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the fact that they magically subsided around 16, it kind of, I hear, I just hear this is a product

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of, uh, misint, like misintegrated information that you took in from these traumatizing nightmares

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that you had as a child.

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And then the hormonal shifts that happened at puberty.

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So, so far, I hear nothing that I'm going to believe is real.

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No, this is not out of the ordinary at all.

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No.

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I don't like it when people bring in ghosts and aliens, because now I have to ask the questions.

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Do ghosts know aliens?

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Can ghosts see aliens?

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Are there alien ghosts?

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Ostensibly, if aliens have treated earth as a battleground, many aliens have died on earth.

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Why has nobody seen an alien ghost?

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I'm positive someone on Project Camelot has.

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I'm positive there's some episode that we just had.

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I'm positive one of these Sebastian Martin episodes might have something to do with that.

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I've only listened to two of the three of them, so I don't know.

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But so he says that he can start controlling them, you know, like blocking them off.

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When he got married to his wife, he was able to block them off for 10 years, but they do

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come back.

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And this is what even further solidifies in my mind that this is stress related, because

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here is when they came back.

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The fact is my wife got pregnant in 2009, and for 10 years, while being married with

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her, I decided to block my visions because I had to respect her wishes for not, you know,

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basically being frightened by what was happening this other side.

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And she was frightened that I may see her dead or being separated or something.

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So by respect of her, I decided to block my visions off for 10 years.

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And when she became pregnant, my visions came back in full force.

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And I used to have like three visions per day.

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And it was very disturbing because I was not really used to it anymore.

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And after 10 years, it was, you know, growing my business.

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And I was very busy with employees who, you know, had no clue what was going on.

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So he has this honey business that's been growing and he's, you know, on the cusp of

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getting this honorable mention award.

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Like it's, you know, it's a real business that he's still like, even if it isn't as

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big as he's saying, like insinuating, it's still a lot of pressure.

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You still have employees, you're responsible for getting this damn honey out.

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Uh, you gotta, you gotta scold the bees.

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If they're lazy, there's a lot of work that goes into this.

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And then on top of that, his wife gets pregnant, which is a life changing experience.

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A lot of people, there's a real blowhardy thing that I've had a couple of friends who

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have had kids say, like, everything changes, everything changes the new dad speech.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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And I know there's a blowhard aspect to it, but I also don't think that it's not sincere

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or real like it does.

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You have a new life here that is your, like your responsibility.

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That thing will die without you.

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Right.

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That is a, that is a crazy thing to have to wrestle with out of nowhere because the news

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or whatever of it, it, it almost always is like, you know, they weren't pregnant and

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now they are, you know, there's a, there is a pivotal shift and it causes a lot of

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stress in people.

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So if you have a story where from 12 to 16, a time when your hormones are, you know, out

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of whack and there's a highly stressful period for people growing up, you have all these

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visions after that, they subside, you block them.

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Once you get married entirely for, uh, you know, all this time, then a new, highly stressful

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life change happens.

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And all of a sudden they come back.

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I'm seeing a pattern.

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I don't understand.

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I know.

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I don't know what you're talking about.

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I understand. I'm just saying that you're saying to me that during puberty, he has these

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visions and that coincides with his hormonal changes.

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And then after his brain is fully formed right around 25 to 27, he settles down, he gets

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married and he doesn't really have that much stress anymore.

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And he's much happier about his life.

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And then he has a big life change reasserting the same hormonal stress that he's had before.

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And all of a sudden he's going back to having visions.

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I have an alternate explanation, Dan, alien ghosts.

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Could be.

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They're following him around.

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It's a possibility.

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Yeah.

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Um, so, you know, I, I have, I have my feelings about this or maybe they're real, but anything

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could be true.

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No, that's not true.

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So as a child, he had these visions and Kerry wants to get into what these visions were

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about.

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And they're very conveniently inconsequential, uh, and only related to people he knew as

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a child.

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So there's no way we could verify anything and he's not specific about any of them.

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So that's super convenient.

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But I actually want, I wanted to go back to when you were, you know, 12 or that age and

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a little later, um, you said between 12 and 16, you were having visions, right?

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Yes.

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So how were the visions characterized at that time?

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Like if you could sort of talk about them with, were they premonitions, uh, so to speak

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of future events?

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No, no, no, no, it was, it was mostly involved with me, people I knew, um, not so much future

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events or any kind.

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It was not like, you know, apocalyptic in any sort of way.

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It was very basic.

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So would you know something before it happened?

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Yes, many times.

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I had lots of little warnings.

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So then you could see the future.

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Oh yes.

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Yes.

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And know things about people around you perhaps?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Um, and that was very, very clear and it became part of my life.

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Did you share that with your mother?

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No, no, no.

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You didn't even tell your mother back then?

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No, no.

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Oh, you didn't?

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Even, even until recently, I was adamant to even talk about the interaction I had with

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Zor to her because she doesn't really believe in aliens.

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So none of this can really be tracked back in any meaningful way.

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You know, like, uh, be like, oh, I had a premonition that, uh, uh, Pete was going to skin

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his knee on the playground or something like that.

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Like, all right, whatever.

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Yeah.

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Maybe a hunch.

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Maybe I had a hunch.

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Maybe a hunch.

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Maybe you had an active imagination.

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Steve has been acting recklessly for a while.

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Sooner or later, he's going to fall and hurt himself.

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Right, right.

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So these are all ultimately, uh, very localized predictions and inconsequential, it appears.

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So I don't know.

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I have nothing.

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I got nothing to go on with that, but he does say that he didn't want to tell his mom about

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Zor because she doesn't believe in aliens.

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Now that would lead you to believe that maybe his family is like a completely rationalist

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family and that they, you know, they, you know, they don't, uh, they don't caught into

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this nonsense.

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She believes in ghosts.

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She doesn't.

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Well, she believes in something.

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So I think that another essential element of these sorts of things, like for these sorts

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of beliefs to really latch on, especially in childhood, it's important that you have

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a source of information that you have to have some, like you can, like, if my parents had

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believed in ghosts or something like that, there's a decent chance I would have believed

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the house was haunted too, because at that time I would have relied on this authority

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figure in my parents and they believe that this is real.

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Why should I not believe it's real?

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So I need to find a piece from Sebastian Martin's life that is concrete enough that indicates

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to me that there's wackiness afoot.

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And let me tell you, there's more than one.

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Oh boy.

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In his next clip, he talks about his grandma, uh, his grandma had a vision of the Virgin

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Mary.

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Oh no.

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So, uh, what about, uh, like grandparents, did you ever have a grandparent or, or other

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people, you know, who had visions or share, you know, nothing like that?

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What happened was my, uh, uh, grandmother on my mother's side, um, was, um, she had

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cancer in many places and she was one of the miracle of Lourdes, you know, Germany and

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she, um, she's actually been twice on the Vatican's list on the, uh, real miracles of

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Vatican, you know, and so she was about to die and she was, uh, driven in a wheelchair

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to the grotto.

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And, uh, this was back when half was still alive.

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I see.

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She turned Catholics, Catholic after that, she was Protestant to begin with.

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And, um, and how old was she at this time when this happened?

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Um, probably in the thirties, I would say.

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Oh, fairly young.

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Yes, very young.

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And, and she's, she's still alive today.

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Yes, she's very resilient.

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Look at you girls just gapping.

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And, um, I, um, I'm still in touch with her, but, um, she had these profound expenses multiple

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times and again, just related to religion and I was not a religious person.

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So, uh, I kind of discarded it as being relevant in any way.

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But did you, um, hear the stories when you were a child?

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If I heard the stories?

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Uh, no.

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Did you hear, you know, the stories about your grandmother or did your grandmother tell

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you the stories of what happened to her?

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I don't believe that.

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Um, you can say that he only heard those stories later.

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I don't believe that.

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If you have a grandmother who's 30, at 30 years old, uh, sees the Virgin Mary at the

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grotto in the Vatican, uh, and then becomes a Catholic out of nowhere when she was Protestant

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before, that's going to be a piece of your family's lore.

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That's not something that she's going to talk about that all the time.

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You better believe it.

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And so is your mom.

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Uh, it's going to be, it's going to be something that people fucking, I mean, even, even if

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the Vatican has certified multiple miracles involving your grandmother, I want to know,

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I want to know where they put out those lists because apparently they put them out annually.

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Annually.

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It's on Buzzfeed.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And two, you could, you would have to just be like, Hey bum, why are we Catholic?

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And she'd be like, well, your mom, your grandmother, and there's no way she knows the Pope.

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And there's no way her being 30 would be after he's 12.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It happened before.

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I just don't believe the French are weird, man.

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I don't believe it that like, there'd be like this huge, like, I would say nationally

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important, internationally important, globally important event that happens in your grandmother's

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life.

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And then your mom would be like, uh, Hey, uh, don't tell the kid about that until he's

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25 or whatever.

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There's no way.

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Some of my grandpa's fishing has wound up in family lore and he is zero miracles.

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It's crazy families have a way of mythologizing their own, their own past.

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There's a, there's an oral tradition within families and there's no way that something

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this important wouldn't be a piece of it.

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So he can say that he didn't know until later, but I just, I find that to be beyond credulity.

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They are, this is one family trait that I have seen throughout this family.

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Now, modesty, none of them want to look, she doesn't want to brag.

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Oh, sure.

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He was the CEO of an international company, but he's not going to put it on his LinkedIn

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page.

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That's just, that's just over it.

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She's been on miracles lists twice.

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Listicles.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, that's the grandma.

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And now we talk about his mom a little bit.

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His mom was in a really bad car accident and she survived, but also apparently died, uh,

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in the car accident.

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Okay.

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And when she died, uh, she had a little bit of, uh, an experience.

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Okay.

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Uh, they always do that left her very changed moving forward.

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And she, when she died, uh, she went through this tunnel and she saw a body, you know,

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over the table and, and, uh, when she went to the tunnel, she saw those white beings.

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And, um, she told me that, um, when she talked to them, that they said, this is not your

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time.

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Yes.

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Was becoming back because your time is not ready yet.

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And so she came back and, and she came back with, uh, the heating, uh, you know, capacity

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of, you know, putting her hands close to a person and, uh, removing the major burns of

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people.

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And she never promoted it.

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Uh, she always, um, she never earned money from it.

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I gave her money myself, uh, to sustain herself now in retirement, but she, um, she never

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really made a fuss about it.

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So her mom, his mom died, uh, in a car accident and went to the white light.

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It turns out these are archangels that she met and they tell her, her work's not done.

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Send her back to earth.

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Now with the healing powers, uh, there, she can heal people with her touch.

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I would like to know what level she is and how many, like, does she roll from a D six

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to see how many HP that she returns to people with their severe burns?

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Like, what are we talking about here?

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I don't fully know like the timeline on this.

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I don't think that's all that clear, but I assume this is some part of his, uh, grandma,

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couple of miracles, healing hands, CEO of a honey company.

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I don't know.

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I got to, I got to bump up my story.

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No kidding.

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My lineage is really outclassing me.

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I'm going to need to have met Zor in my life.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, at this point we've seen a bit of like that.

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The elements are all there, the family history of sort of grandiose type stuff.

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We see the timeline of this, like matching up with highly stressful life events.

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Yeah.

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And now he gets to another stressful life event.

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That's towards the end of his youthful, uh, visions.

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And again, this just looks terrible.

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When I was 16, I had that she had a lot of things happening.

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Um, I was in a private school and my dad sent me off there and, um, I was in a boarding

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school, so I basically, um, interacting with, uh, boys and girls and I was there from Monday

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to Friday.

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Oh.

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And I said, um, during classes, um, I had, um, automatic writing.

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I could just write like a foreign language or like an alien language, uh, from top to

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bottom and left to right.

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Uh.

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And I had no idea what that meant, but it was, they were not, um, hieroglyphs or Chinese

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language.

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It was kind of a mix of everything, but it was hard to, and I, I had books filled with

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this and because I traveled so much, my dad, when he moved away throughout everything that

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I owned, so I basically lost all of that.

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Even the art, you know, all the stuff that I had, it's gone.

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Incredible.

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Yeah.

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It was very long.

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Um, now, just out of curiosity, can you do this writing now or no?

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No.

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No, I could recognize each other, could not redo it.

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Okay.

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So at 16, I filled notebooks full of all the languages of the world that I automatically

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wrote, but unfortunately my dad threw it all away and now I can't do it anymore.

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His dad and he do not have a, uh, good relationship.

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Doesn't seem like it.

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No, and that may also have contributed to his visions from 12 to 16.

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Could be, could be.

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I think it would be too hard for us to speculate just based on the information that we have,

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but it does seem like it's interesting that he's casting his dad, uh, in terms of the

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story as the one who has precluded him from proving his story.

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Yeah.

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It's a negative thing, whereas the mom and grandmother are both pitched as, like, heroic

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elements of the story.

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Right.

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So that is an interesting trend.

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Now, I would say that even if these notebooks hadn't been thrown away, they still don't

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prove anything.

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No.

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They, you know, I can't, you can't look at a notebook and just be like, oh, he just automatically

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wrote that.

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Yeah, do you know what that, do you know what that tells me?

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What?

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Uh, he is very much like the 16 year old who suddenly starts wearing a hat all the time.

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Interesting.

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You know, it's, this is clearly his affectation of like, oh, look at me, I can automatically

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write all of this stuff.

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I am an interesting person despite my complete lack of personality.

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He, I think that there's a, uh, there's something to that and I think it's reinforced by this

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next clip where he discusses how he learned to astral travel, uh, in order to impress

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a girl at his school.

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And I also fancied a girl that, that, uh, that year and, uh, I was trying to, um, impress

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her and I said, look, um, you know, I did meditation, uh, transcendental meditation

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with my mother because she loves Buddhism and, um, I did that since the age of nine.

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Before or after she could heal.

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And so I said, um, I would like to do a test, you know, an experiment with you and, uh,

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I would like you to place an object on your night table and two more mornings will tell

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you what it is.

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And I never did it before, but I felt confident that I could do it.

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And so the same night I went to, in my bedroom and I was on my own, I lay down on the bed

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and instead of sitting down, when you do transcendental meditation and repeating a mantra, I was just

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laying down and what I was focusing on was the, uh, the bedroom of the girl.

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We'll get back to this here in a second, but, uh, the idea that he's just sort of tossing

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in that his mom taught him how to transcendental meditate at age nine is not un, uh, important,

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uh, because that means his mom was into that younger and, uh, you know, uh, without getting

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into libelous territory or slander, a lot of people believe that transcendental meditation

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is kind of a cult.

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And also there have been some people who've reported that it can be Damon, uh, like a

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kind of dangerous practice, especially for children.

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That sort of like just cause it is just repeating a mantra over and over and over again for

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like 20 minutes in your head and it can take you into some self trance, uh, hypnotic States.

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Like it is, it is something that an unformed brain, it could be dangerous for them to engage

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in.

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So we have this, his mom's teaching it to him at nine and then he goes off to this boarding

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school and he's doing it on his own without any kind of guidance.

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I think that there's some dangerous elements in there, but he wants to impress this girl

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so he can get, he gets into his meditative state and astroly travels into her bedroom.

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And that's what I was aiming for.

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And I basically came out of my body and I could feel I was going forward very fast in

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a black tunnel.

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And all of a sudden I was above a night table and I could see, um, three objects, not just

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one, the three.

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And I described them as a, like a pendant and a necklace and it was a ring, uh, so a

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ring and a necklace around it.

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And so it was interlaced and it was also like a notepad on the side with different color

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shades on the side.

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Very detailed.

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The notepad said, get out of my fucking room.

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I was in a tunnel vision and as soon as I finished seeing it, I just came back into

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my body.

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When I opened my eyes, I was sweating profusely and I was out of breath and he really scared

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me.

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You for real broke into her house.

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And I could move for a while.

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And, but then at the end I said, I did it.

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And I was just happy to, uh, uh, I couldn't wait to, uh, go back in the morning and tell

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the girl at what I've seen.

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So I did that.

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And, uh, when I saw her, um, you know, she freaked out.

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I would too.

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You broke into my fucking house, asshole.

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It's not a house.

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I think they're dorms or something like that, but there's still a chance he could have like

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looked in her window or something like that.

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Like nothing that he's describing, like if that story is even real, I don't believe that

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it proves that he has truly traveled.

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And then furthermore, even if he wasn't like peeping in her window, a necklace and a ring

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and a pendant, that's not like really high end predictions for, uh, like a teenage girl

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to have on her nightstand.

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The idea that he's like, you have jewelry, that's not like if it was something fucked

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up, like something really weird that was on her nightstand, then at least it would be

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like, wow, how'd you, how'd you, how'd you know that?

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You must've been peeping in the window.

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This could have also just been a good guess.

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So nothing here is, uh, nothing here proves any of this stuff.

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And it almost certainly, and it very easily could have turned into that, uh, that medium

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con man kind of thing where he's telling her small bits of information and she's giving

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him larger bits of information back.

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Suggestive conversation.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Uh, Sebastian then gets mixed up with someone who might've been doing that to him and that

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is a hypnotherapist.

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Oh no.

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So, so he's into TM at nine and then he goes to a hypnotherapist?

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Well, this is now we flash into adulthood.

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This is the most suggestible human being.

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Um, so we get into adulthood and he goes to a hypnotherapist, uh, that teaches him, uh,

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about the idea of how to like self hypnotize, just sort of a meditative kind of thing.

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It's not always nefarious or super weird.

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There are, you know, some sort of therapeutic benefits, but one of the big therapeutic benefits

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is it's good at dealing with anxiety, good with dealing with severe stress, which might

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be part of what caused or precipitated these visions and all that stuff to begin with.

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So it doesn't surprise me at all that he starts talking about this self hypnosis, this hypnotherapist

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that he went to and after he started to go to them, the vision stopped being upsetting

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again.

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Gotcha.

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And it's also a sort of a strange thing that years later you go into this hypnotist or

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clinical psychologist, and you're asking to be, have it either the visions removed or,

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or controlled.

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Yes.

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And yet at the same time you did learn transcendental meditation, so you knew how to meditate and

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she learned, she taught you how to do self hypnosis.

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That's correct.

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Not a big difference between meditation and self hypnosis.

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I mean, was there really something she taught you that you didn't know or?

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It's just a technique really, you know.

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And did you feel it worked?

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Yes.

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Oh yes.

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I was able to control my visions and have them on demand, which is, you know, something

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I stopped doing very shortly because I got bored out of it.

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And I was just like, the visions come to me as they were before, you know, I wasn't really

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that frightened by it anymore.

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And, you know, and since then, to be honest with you, I didn't really suffer from the

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anxiety and the stress that I used to have back in 2010, so I feel much more comfortable

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with it now.

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There's so many red flags and just like the things that he's saying and the way he's describing

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his path through these visions and stuff like that, that it's really irresponsible for Carrie,

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whether or not she believes him, because I know that she tries to pretend like, all I

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do is I talk to whistleblowers and then you can decide if they resonate with you or not.

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Yeah.

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You know, like I'm not saying that Eddie Page really is a Pleiadian, even though I keep

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having him on my show and reinforcing his narratives and stuff like that.

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I'm not saying that you guys got to decide that sort of shit.

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If she had any like interest in the truth, even if she believes in aliens and the secret

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space program and all that, she had any interest in the truth, she would be like, this story

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that you're telling me is really upsetting because you're clearly describing a timeline

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through your life of highly stressful, anxious situations leading to you having delusions

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that you are talking to aliens and what have you.

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Now you're talking to me about going to see this hypnotherapist and afterwards your stress

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and anxiety that you felt about all this went away and you were able to integrate the information

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that you're experiencing.

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Excuse me, Sebastian, I have, uh, I have, uh, Occam's razor for you.

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I purchased it at an auction.

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She should want to call this out because if she doesn't, it looks like she's supporting

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it and that hurts her larger argument about aliens in space because this is a piece of

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it and she's had him on three times to talk about this shit.

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She can't do that.

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No, of course she can't, but that it indicates to me a lack of seriousness, but of course,

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but also a lack of interest even in the goal that she professes to be interested in.

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Right.

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No.

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The reason that she can't do that is not, uh, is just more like these ghosts, these

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dumb people.

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If they find out that they, that if they go on her show, she might challenge them and

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get their ass kicked.

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They're not going to go on her show, you know, especially, especially because if she starts

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challenging one asshole, it's gotta be every asshole and none of them can stand up to scrutiny.

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No, not really.

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Not really.

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But the reason that I bring it up is that like I do empathize with the situation that

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Sebastian Martin is describing.

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Oh yeah.

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I don't like how he's deciding to go about his life in terms of writing a book about

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being like friends with aliens and shit.

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I don't think that's helpful, but I do empathize with him, you know, in the same way that you

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see this, this image of somebody who's like clearly working a con now, but you know, was

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a terrified child having nightmares of a like haunted shed when he was younger, poor relationship

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with his dad.

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You do empathize with the story and it's irresponsible for people around him to humor this stuff.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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I don't think you should like, like if you, if I was friends with him, I don't think it

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would be right to be like, hi, you're a fucking idiot.

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You don't believe in aliens.

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You know, it's not right to abuse him about this stuff, but it's equally abusive.

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Just be like, Oh man, tell me about Zor.

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Like, isn't it cool that you went on a spaceship?

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Like that's not okay.

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That's, that's just as harmful.

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That's such, that's such one of those situations where if your mom and grandma weren't both

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fucking like performing miracles left and right, you would have just gone to a normal

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psychiatrist instead of a hypnotherapist.

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But it is interesting, I think you can still hear there that he did get some modicum of

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benefit from it.

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Of course.

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And there's still a therapeutic element to this unfortunately larger untherapeutic relationship

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that they had because this hypnotherapy set, these sessions end up leading him towards

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recovering memories of being on spaceships, which is one of the problems with these like

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sort of regression therapies and things like that.

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There's suggestions that are easily implantable in brain, not, it's not always like the therapist

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trying to do that, but it's, it's a, it's a really, uh, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's

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a minefield to navigate and most people can't do those sorts of things responsibly.

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You end up walking away with it with false memories that because of the regression hypnotherapy,

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you validate and now think are actually real.

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Well there was the, there's the famous daycare people who...

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There's tons of examples.

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Yeah, there's tons of that.

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Yeah.

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So he goes to this, uh, this, this, uh, hypnotherapy and, uh, he, uh, he ends up, uh, figuring out

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that at 16 he was taken up to a spaceship by aliens.

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Of course.

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Um, and he's there, uh, he's on the ship and he sees himself as a baby, sees a six month

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old version of himself.

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Sure.

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Uh, and he's going to describe that here in a second, but he also sees a couple of aliens

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arguing with each other.

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Uh, and so the hypnotherapist tells him, what are they arguing about?

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And he's like, I don't know.

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So she asks him to ask the aliens what they're arguing about.

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And so we jump in and, uh, we, we see, uh, uh, what happens, Oh no, I'm sorry.

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The aliens tell him, we can't touch you because you've been tampered with and he doesn't understand

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what that means.

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Right.

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And then immediately he blacks out.

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Because I blacked out from that scene and I went backwards and when I opened my eyes,

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I was in the body of a six month old baby and I was in a cylinder with a glass dome.

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There was like a Omega symbols on the scene to, um, almost like, you know, clench the

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glass with, uh, the metal.

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And there was a black liquid inside that was organic.

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It was, it had intelligence, but it was not, it didn't feel like AI, but it was basically

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covering my body.

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And through the glass, um, I saw two tall Pleiadians that were about seven feet tall.

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The tall gradients were also about seven feet tall.

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And so not like the five feet that you can hear, like the little ones there as well.

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No, just the tall ones.

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And so when I, um, when I saw the Pleiadians, they were wearing exactly the same blue uniform

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as Zo when I saw him in my living room.

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But they had that upside down triangle on their chest.

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And the man had a beard and he had a sort of a helmet on that could still see his hair.

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Wait, he had a beard?

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And almost like a curly hair and a curly beard a bit.

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And he had a trident symbol on his forehead and the woman was next to him and she was

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as tall as he was and they were both very fit and they were very stern as well.

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They looked at me and there was no real emotion.

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I couldn't see, I couldn't feel any emotions, you know, coming out of them.

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And I described this within a few seconds and it really startled me.

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And that's when I, it kind of shocked me a bit because I knew that I was no longer imagining

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it.

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You knew that that was yourself.

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You were that baby.

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Yes.

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When I was six months old, yes.

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So he had...

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I am Space Poseidon!

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Earlier in this episode, he talks about how he had a skin condition when he was born.

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Yeah.

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And it was like a really bad thing and that it healed when he was six months old or something

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like that.

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He's very nonspecific with what the condition was, so I have no fucking idea.

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But now through this hypnotherapy stuff, he is recovering memories of being a six month

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old taken up by the Pleiadians who healed his skin condition, which is dubious, I would

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say.

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Oh yeah?

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Yeah.

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Why's that?

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Uh...

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It was either aliens, which it could have been.

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Could have been.

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Or it was...

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Medicine.

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Cream.

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Could have been.

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Could have been.

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Any of these things were possible.

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He was only six months old, so he wouldn't really...

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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And even if that black liquid is the issue, it's still cream.

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I mean, I imagine that what you're seeing expressed is that his mom, over the course

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of his life, had told him that you were born with this condition and we were really scared.

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We didn't know if you would survive.

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We didn't know if you would heal.

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And he has really overbuilt it up in his head that it's like a deadly, super horrible flesh-eating

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bacteria kind of thing, and that he was saved at the 11th hour by these aliens, as opposed

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to it being like, yeah, it was scary, you were born with this condition, but medicine

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took care of it.

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There's a way that this is also a piece of family lore being exaggerated and misunderstood

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by a child.

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So I still don't hear anything that I think is real.

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That's all I'm saying.

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What were the...

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The aliens are just arguing like, I didn't want to adopt a child, what are you doing?

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I think it'll be good for us.

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You stole that baby!

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I think it'll be good for us.

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Our marriage is falling apart!

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It turns out, actually, he is an alien.

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Okay.

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We'll get to that.

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Of course.

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He's a hybrid or something like that.

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I should know.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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And he's also part ghost.

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Yes.

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Naturally.

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Undead.

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We all are, to a certain degree.

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To a certain extent.

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Yeah.

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So he has these memories and he experiences all this in the therapy, and Kerry asks him

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if he'd read any stuff about aliens and all this shit before he had these experiences,

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and he's like, no, absolutely not.

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I don't like any of that stuff.

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And then later in the episode, he starts talking about all these fucking alien books and stuff

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like that.

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It's like, wait a second, you did read all this stuff.

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Because it's not like he says, I didn't read any of that, but then afterwards I was so

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interested that I dug in and read all this stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He says, I'm not interested in any of that nonsense.

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I only want to talk about what my experience is.

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And based on the fact that he's referencing Steven Greer later in the episode and things

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like that, it's like, hold on, man.

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You are interested in this.

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So you're lying about not being interested in order to present the idea that all of this

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information just comes from me.

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Of course.

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And I'll believe that.

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Because he can't have read all of those books if his information lines up really closely

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with those books.

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It makes it suspicious.

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Then people are going to be like, hmm, maybe you're just not going to...

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Right.

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In the same way that he can't have known about his grandma's Vatican certified miracles earlier

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in life or else that would call into question, where would you get these sorts of ideas from?

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Right.

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It's there.

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So after this, he's hanging out.

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He's chilling.

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Yeah.

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Just running their honey business.

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What are you going to do?

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And so Zor comes back.

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Zor revisits him.

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With a vengeance?

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No vengeance, just an invitation.

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Why don't you come on my spaceship?

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Why is Zor five feet tall and the other alien seven feet tall?

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That's something I'm literally not interested in.

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That is a zero to me.

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There are certain details that I'm just...

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I don't give a shit.

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I don't give a shit at all.

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So Zor comes back and is like, hey buddy, why don't you come joyride with me in the

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spaceship?

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That sounds fun.

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And Sebastian's like, I don't know if I can do that.

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What?

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He's very scared to go on the spaceship.

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You fucking asshole.

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So basically when I was in my house again, and Zor came back again the same way he did

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physically and said, I would like you now to come with me on the spacecraft.

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And I didn't like that.

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I didn't want to.

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And I said, no, I'm sorry, but I think I'll stay home.

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And so he went away.

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You guys were ruining my fucking movie.

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It's just the plot of my goddamn movie.

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Even if I was telling him that there was not coming in, and I then contacted the hypnotherapist

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and I said, I would like to be regressed to maybe welcome the idea of going on the spaceship

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with Zor, if he welcomed me.

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And we see what that did.

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So she kind of led me through that.

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That's not good.

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I would say that a licensed real hypnotherapist probably wouldn't accept a session where someone

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was like, hey, this alien dude just invited me on his spaceship, but I was a little bit

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nervous and scared of that.

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So I'd like to come in and do a session where I make peace with the idea of going on Zor's

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spaceship.

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I would say that's unethical.

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That's great.

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I'm sorry.

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That sounds really tough.

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I am going to have to triple my usual hourly rate.

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So it'll be about 300 bucks.

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I did say a licensed, credible, ethical hypnotherapist.

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So that would, yeah, I don't, I don't know.

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I just hear, I hear either this hypnotherapist is made up or like, it's just someone real

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shady.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But who knows what the reality is either way.

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He goes in to try and make peace with space.

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Why are you looking at me like that?

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I'm just, I'm just, he's just going to go make peace with space.

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So it works.

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He goes.

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I'm still pissed off that he didn't take that trip with Zor.

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He does though.

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Oh, he does.

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But he does it through the hypnotherapy.

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He ends up making peace with it and getting up to that spaceship.

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And when he does, he finds out what his mission is.

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So what happened was I felt like I was elevated up in a, like a shaft of some sort.

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And the doors open up and walked out, he was right there all gritty.

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And in the background, I can't dig it, the same tall man and woman, when I was six months

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old, that Zor is a bad mother, he grabbed me and then led me to see them.

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And when I, was he tall also, same, same height.

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And when I, she was more like 6'2", 6'3", so he wasn't that tall, I don't think.

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Just the reason that they care about heights is that different alien races have like different

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sorts of heights characterizing them.

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And so like Pleiadians are taller and they're the good ones or whatever.

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Grays are usually shorter and they're nefarious little henchmen.

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So like that's why she cares, but it's also why I don't care.

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No, it wasn't that tall, no, but the parents, his parents were.

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So the man and the woman were like seven feet tall.

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And when they saw me, we healed you when you were six months old, what up?

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And the man started to argue like telepathically with Zor, they were on a platform higher up.

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And when we walked up that way and basically Zor argued with his dad and he said, he's

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not ready, what is he doing here?

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He's not supposed to be here.

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And Zor said, no, I think he's ready, we need to share information with him or something.

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I don't quite recall exactly what I said, but that's when the man addressed me, looked

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me up, he looked me in the eye and said, you are supposed to be living a basic life on

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Earth of emotions, die and come back to us.

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That was it.

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And I said, okay, I don't know what's going on, but okay, whatever you say.

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And then he said, but now your mission has changed and you are supposed to be going back

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to Earth and awaken the star seeds of the planet.

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Okay.

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But I had no clue what that meant.

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And that was the true soul message that arose from this conversation.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Awaken the star seeds of the planet.

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Dude, that's your mission.

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Your job was to become a space ghost, all right?

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And now you're coming up to me, guess what?

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You fucked up.

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You were going to have an easy life, but now you got to go back down there and awaken all

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them goddamn star seeds, huh?

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How about that?

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You're going to be a honey impresario, live a life of emotions.

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And then when you die, come back to your true form, which is as an alien.

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And we're going to put you on coast to coast AM.

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So you will be quite literally.

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I'm almost certain he has.

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Space ghost, coast to coast.

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I'm guessing he's been on coast to coast.

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But he, uh, so, you know, I hear that and it was like, oh boy, oh boy, that's, that's

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a mess.

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I don't like those aliens.

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Yeah.

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I don't like those aliens.

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Decision-making process.

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If they are given out jobs left and right.

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Yeah.

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You can't do it on a dime, man.

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You should think about it.

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Nope.

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Have an interview.

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And so much of this, like it just comes down to like none, none of this can ever be confirmed.

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Like any of this stuff that he's allegedly capable of doing is conveniently, I can't

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do that anymore.

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Like I can't automatically write in other languages anymore because you know, if you

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had that ability, it would be very confirmable.

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You don't know Mandarin, right?

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A sentence in Mandarin or something like that.

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It would be super easy to be like, can you do it or you can't, I could do that when I

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was younger.

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I can't do it now.

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Right.

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Astral travel.

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If that's real, it would be so easy to confirm it would be so easy and no one can do it.

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And sneaking into a woman's dorm is not the way you confirm astral travel.

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Right.

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In this case, maybe not going up to a spaceship and having them tell you you're supposed to

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awaken sour seeds.

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That's not easy to prove, but intentionally so it's just this non-sensely experienced

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in these hypnotherapy sessions that I have, you know, some slight reasons to believe maybe

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weren't carried out the most professionally.

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So I hate, I hate those.

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I hate that like, and now you are the only person who you're the most special person

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in the world.

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Right.

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It's narcissism.

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If we, if we were taken up to like, if we started this whole thing and we were taken

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up to a spaceship, they, the mission would be like, run a mildly successful podcast.

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And we're like, sweet, all right, we can do that.

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I don't want to awaken star seeds, but mildly successful podcast.

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Hell yeah.

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Um, so, uh, in this next clip, Kerry asks a very important question and that is how

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long were you in this hypnotherapy?

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Like how long did that go on for?

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Uh, and the question has an answer that is not as long as you'd think.

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How long did you go for actually getting these sessions going on?

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Probably over maybe a month and a half, two months maybe.

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That's it.

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Yeah.

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Only a month or two months.

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Oh yes.

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I understand.

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I would think so.

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I can spend my life doing this.

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He had other things to do.

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Jesus.

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I would say if you uncover that you as a baby were taken up into a spaceship and healed

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by Pleiadians and then got brought back up and they told you that it was your mission

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to awaken the earth star seeds, I would say nothing else matters at that point.

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They did also say you don't have other things.

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They did also say that you, that he wasn't supposed to be there.

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So maybe it's like, okay, cool.

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I'll respect their wishes.

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Why do I need to go back into that?

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That's a past tense sentence.

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You weren't supposed to be here, but now that you are, you are supposed to be here and you

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have a mission.

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Honey doesn't matter anymore.

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You have to like, and so that is him trying to be like present himself as a hyper rational

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person where it's like, I had other things to do.

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I had this.

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Sure.

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I had that experience or whatever, but I had other things to do.

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And he goes on to be like, look, yeah, I talked to Zor and his parents.

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I talked to them.

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They told me it was my mission to awaken the star seeds, but they didn't tell me what that

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meant.

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They didn't tell me any of that stuff.

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They didn't give me any help.

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So I just went back to my business.

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Like that's kind of fair.

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No, it's not.

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No, I think that's fair.

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It implies you don't believe the story you're telling.

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No.

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Yes.

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It implies that they're being dicks.

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No, it's like they gave you an impossible task.

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Well, fuck you.

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I'm running honey.

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No doubt.

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It is a little bit of an ask on the part of the aliens.

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It is a little bit like you're setting this guy up for failure.

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Yeah.

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That's rude.

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But at the same time, if you truly believe whatever you had experienced, like the idea

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that there are these aliens out there and that you are super important to their plan

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or whatever, I don't believe that the trivial matters of just a small to medium sized business

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would be...

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Like I don't think that would get in the way of like everything has changed.

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I now know that there's more in the universe than we think.

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There's hidden realities.

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I'm a piece of it.

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I need to pursue this.

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I don't think it would take a few years for you to be like, yeah, let me get back to that

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mission.

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Maybe he's leaving off the second part of it.

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Maybe the mission was actually, I need you to awaken the Starseeds by running a small

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to mid sized business.

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Little do we know, Starseeds is a space slang for bees.

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Yeah.

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See, there you go.

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You needed to awaken the Starseed bees.

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No.

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So he poo poos this mission and goes back to his business for a bit, but then he sells

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the business.

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And then a little bit afterwards, he has some voices that tell him how to pursue his mission.

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In 2014, I heard a voice saying, you have to go to Manchester.

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You have to go to Manchester.

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And again, I was still working and I didn't know what to do with this.

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And so my wife just came back from surgery.

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She had a back surgery and six months in the recovery process.

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And selfishly I said to her, I'm sorry, but I need to go to Manchester.

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I have no idea why, but I have to go there.

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And she looked at me and said, are you joking?

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I said, no, you're not going.

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You're staying here.

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You're a shitty husband.

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Yeah.

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That's a little...

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That is awful.

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She's convalescing.

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And he heard a voice that said, go to Manchester.

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And by the way, if you ever hear a voice that says, you got to go to Manchester, don't listen

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to that voice.

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Are you sure?

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Yeah, I'm positive.

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Why?

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Because it's a place where it's sort of a mecca for new age, sort of pseudo spiritual

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weirdos.

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There's a lot of paranormal activity that goes on there and sort of vague cult behavior

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is very associated with Mount Shasta.

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Okay.

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So his wife is convalescing.

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We know he has at least one kid.

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And at this very, very crucial time, he's like, I really don't want to be around you

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guys.

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I don't think back surgery is like ever minor.

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No.

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I mean, I guess there probably is a version of it, but if you have to heal for that long,

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it's probably something pretty serious.

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Yeah.

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But yeah.

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And again, it is indicative...

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And you could have called your mom with her healing hands.

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It's true.

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But I think he already said though, that only really works with burns.

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I'm not sure if he said it only works with burns, but that's what he did specify.

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That's true.

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But again, this fits the pattern that's been established that his wife had this surgery.

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She needs to heal up.

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You got a kid.

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That's a highly stressful period.

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So it makes sense that he would also then start experiencing the same symptoms that

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he had before, which are the uncontrollable, unintegratable versions of these delusions.

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And the delusion is manifested by a voice saying, go to Mount Shasta.

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I don't believe for a second that he doesn't know what Mount Shasta is at this point, though

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he will present like, I didn't know anything about it, but I don't think so.

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It's a very huge piece of this new age alien world.

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So I think he has to know.

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Well, even then, the voice tells you to go to Mount Shasta.

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You got to find it.

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So you Google Mount Shasta.

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You're not just going to Google Maps Mount Shasta.

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You're going to look at one of the websites and it's going to be everything you need to

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know.

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Probably.

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But I think he probably knew before the supposed voice.

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I think that knowing about it precipitated the voice being like, oh, that seems like

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where I would find the answers to the stuff that, and even Kerry gets into it like, you're

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not a young person.

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You were around when Close Encounters came out.

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Like you were alive when E.T. came out.

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These sorts of things.

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He's like, yeah, I saw those, but they're movies, which I think is a real answer.

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But also a lot of those ideas about Mount Shasta, very similar to Close Encounters.

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The idea that you have to go to this monolith, that sort of thing.

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Being drawn to this place where aliens commune and things like that.

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So I don't believe that those ideas weren't already present in his head before his supposed

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auditory hallucination in 2014.

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So he goes to Mount Shasta and he leaves his wife.

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He agrees to let him go, which is, I don't like it at all either.

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Really don't like this guy.

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No, it's dicey.

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This is a bad guy.

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He's not a great guy, it seems, but he goes to Mount Shasta and one of the things that

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happens is he ends up at a lodge that is near base of the mount or whatever.

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And there's a library there and he finds a book about Mount Shasta that was written by

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someone who's around the area.

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It was a local-ish guy, local-ish author, and this guy found something real weird at

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Mount Shasta that sparks some curiosity in the part of Sebastian Martin.

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I was interested in history and I said, oh, what's the lodge about?

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So she gave me a book about the history of the lodge and who built it and so on.

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And the author of the book was local.

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And when I read his book, what really drove me to the book was him having an experience

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on the south side of the mountain where he went up there with his eight-year-old son,

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his dog, and basically he went up there and he saw this Lemurian temple and he could not

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really get into it.

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It was so powerful and strange that he backed away and he just marked the placement on the

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tree and went back home.

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And the next day when he went back on his own, the temple was gone.

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So I thought that was very interesting and I thought to myself, I need to contact this

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author.

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So he tries.

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He finds the publisher of the book and he calls them.

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In a miraculous act of coincidence, timing, the person at the publisher was staying late

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after hours that day so he was able to get in touch with them and he tells them, I want

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to talk to the person who wrote this book about Mount Shasta.

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What can I do?

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And she's like, well, if you send me an email, I'll forward it to him and if he wants to

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contact you, he will.

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So they go through that process, five minutes later, he gets an email back from the author

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that was like, I'm in the area, I'll see you tomorrow morning.

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So they get together.

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So the author is really busy.

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We don't know who this author is.

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He doesn't say his name, he doesn't say what the name of the book is.

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There's a lot of books about Mount Shasta.

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I have no fucking idea who this dude is.

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He's probably lonely.

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Might also not be real, who knows.

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So he meets up the next morning with this guy who wrote the book about Mount Shasta

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and he finds out this is an M. Night Shyamalanian twist that ends up happening.

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He wrote the book!

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I introduced myself, talking about my visions and briefly about what I was and talking about

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his experience on the mountain.

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And when I finished, he smiled and said, you know, Sebastian, I truly leave that experience.

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I went there with my eight-year-old son and my dog.

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And yes, I saw the temple and the mark from the tree, but I never wrote it in my book.

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And I actually thought I was really reading it in his book.

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You know, that's what I really truly believe.

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But I guess I was having a vision of him going there.

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It wasn't in the book.

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The whole story wasn't in the book, but the guy had lived it.

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Sebastian psychically saw him going and finding a Lemurian temple that disappeared the next

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day.

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The author tells him, look, dude, go up there and you find your truth.

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And there is truth in them there hills.

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You go up there.

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But hey, bro, don't go to the place where the Lemurian temple was.

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That thing disappeared.

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You're not going to find it.

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You don't have no chance of seeing that.

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Right.

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They don't get into specifics of why the guy told him not to go to that.

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He says, go to the other side of the mountain.

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And his advice that he gives Sebastian is look for the big rock, dude, dude.

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The fucking mountain is a big rock asshole, right?

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It's the kind of advice that leads you to think you found something, no matter what

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you run into.

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Look for the big rock is like, that's a guaranteed way to make it so you don't not find something

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which is convenient.

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So here's, uh, he goes up to the mountain and he finds a rock.

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That's nice.

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That's nice.

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Good.

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I like the story so far.

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Now, you probably think, or I mean, one might think that this story ends with him going,

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finding the rock, interfacing with some Lemurians and figuring out what's going on, getting

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some real deep information.

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Well, I kind of think that this story should end sooner or later, but it doesn't seem to

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know.

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It just seems to keep going.

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All of the details in this story are long and boring and it kind of make him look like

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an asshole somehow.

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Are you absolutely right?

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This is the most interesting, boring thing I've ever listened to so interestingly boring.

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It takes forever, there's all the pieces of fascinating in it.

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You know, like there's ghosts, there's aliens, there's hypnotic regressions of going to spaceships,

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but it's a snooze.

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It's a really boring story and man, he gets to Mount Shasta and he finds the rock and

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this is where I almost fell asleep because this story is such a zero.

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It is so crazy.

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I don't know why he's telling it.

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Legitimately he could have just been like, I went to Mount Shasta, I saw a rock.

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That's it.

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But instead he takes two minutes to speculate that maybe he saw some aliens in the distance.

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Just before I could touch the rock, when I got there and nothing happened in between,

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you know, about safe, I could hear a deafening sound, something like really deafening and

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going down.

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Might have been a plane overhead.

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No idea what it was.

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Oh, do you mean like a wound?

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I couldn't see anything.

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I looked around and I stopped when that happened before I could touch the rock, hoping that

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something would happen around, but nothing happened.

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And when I touched the rock, then the same deep voice said to me, okay, you are done,

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go home.

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Okay.

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Is that it?

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So earlier in the story, as he's trying to find the rock, he finds a rock and a voice

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in his head that has a booming deep voice says, not that rock idiot or something like

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that.

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There's another rock.

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So he goes and he finds the other rock.

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And now after he's touched this rock, the same voice tells him, you're good.

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Cool.

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You're good.

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Cool.

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Get out of here.

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Excuse me, voice.

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Am I going to get reimbursed?

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So I walked around the rock and went on my bottom sides and went up to the original point

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where I started walking towards the rock and I waited and nothing happened.

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So I looked around because I felt observed all the way.

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And even from the parking lot, I felt observed, but it was increasingly becoming more heavy.

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And so when I looked on the, on one of the peaks on the horizon and the wind was blowing

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and everything else, I could see three flags that looks like flags.

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And they were, they looked like Tibetan flags, you know, those long ones.

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And they had different colors.

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When I looked closer, I just realized they were silhouettes.

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They were beings, but they were taller than average humans.

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And I kept looking and they weren't moving and just looked around to see if there were

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any more beings.

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Because again, while I was looking at them, I could feel that, you know, maybe other beings

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were looking at me from behind.

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So I looked up and there was nobody and I put my gaze back on that peak and the flags

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or the robes basically were gone, the beings were gone.

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And so I waited and waited and waited, nothing happened, had my lunch there, late lunch and

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went back down to Manchester.

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They made me push my lunch back, which is very annoying.

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And that same voice said to me, as I was hiking down, said to me, and by the way, never come

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back.

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And I felt like, why are you so mean to me?

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I'm a very nice guy.

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You are not.

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I left my wife.

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You just left your wife alone with a back fucking, oh God.

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To come touch a rock.

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I don't know if the rock touching has any significance to his story either.

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If it was the rock, that would have significance.

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If it was Dwayne Johnson.

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If it was Dwayne Johnson, that would be a significant, that'd be a way better story

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too.

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I just watched the Hobbs and Shaw trailer yesterday.

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So good.

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Very excited.

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That's going to be great.

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Idris Elba is bulletproof, literally, oh, superhuman powers.

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Love it.

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So look, dude, that story, it stinks.

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Even for like a Project Camelot story, that is like, that is so underwhelming.

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I went to Mount Shasta, I imagined that a voice was telling me to touch this rock.

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I touched the rock.

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I may have seen a flag in the distance and decided it was an alien.

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And then, look, dude, it's just, everything, everything fits the pattern.

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And the voice was like a bartender in the Old West, like, and never come back here.

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I think that that's probably just a manifestation of his own thoughts of like, this was disappointing.

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Don't come back here.

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This was, why did I do this?

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There's a disappointment in it because I saw some flags that maybe I could say were aliens

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that disappeared or something like that, but I don't get anything out of this story.

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The only reason he can afford this is because of socialized healthcare.

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I think that's the real lesson here.

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He could afford it because he didn't have to pay for his wife's back surgery.

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So this episode could end up being three and a half fucking hours long if we just talked

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about everything that he talks about.

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But at this point, it's kind of like, we got it, dude.

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He ends up talking to some Lemurians eventually.

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They tell him about the history of Lemuria, it was destroyed by the Pleiadians.

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Bummer.

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I thought the Pleiadians were the good guys.

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It turns out there's more to the story than you think.

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They are in an alliance with the Grays.

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Oh, so they're the bad guys.

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Well, the reptilians are the bad guys.

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God damn it.

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It's very complicated.

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I cannot keep this all in my head.

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I tried to keep track of it, but I legitimately couldn't care less.

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I was just like, oh, those are the battle lines, huh?

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Cool.

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Cool, cool, cool, cool.

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So Lemuria was destroyed by the Pleiadians and then Atlantis was destroyed by some sort

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of natural cataclysm or something like that.

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Carrie kind of disagrees.

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She believes that Atlantis was destroyed by these evil aliens who directed a meteor at

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it, which the aliens do regularly.

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They have a habit of controlling meteors.

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The Anunnaki come into play at some point, they start talking about Enlil and Enki.

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That's nice, because that did find a Sumerian temple.

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Probably.

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Something along those lines.

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At some point, he found a rock that was a Sumerian.

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It was a good rock.

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He got a way better rock than our boy Sebastian.

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Sebastian starts speculating about how the allegory of the cave in Plato's work was given

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to him by aliens.

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Jesus.

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I'm like, I'm out.

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Boo.

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I'm out.

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Boo.

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I've heard enough of you.

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I can see a clinical diagnosis for why your life has gone the paranormal route that it

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has.

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Then the stories that you actually have of going to experience these things are a zero.

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Carrie's like, I'm going to need to have you back for a couple more episodes, because this

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story is dynamite.

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We have two more clips left.

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This next one's a little bit longer, but I think it's important.

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In this, we learned that there is a new group of ethereal beings that Sebastian has started

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talking to recently.

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A super group, if you will.

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They're super, and they are a group.

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See?

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They're not as good as the highwaymen.

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No.

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No.

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So you had the visitation by what you call archangels.

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Well, it could be archangels, but those beings just appeared in September of last year.

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Cool.

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Once again, they just showed up in my living room.

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I have a 6, 17 feet high ceiling, almost like a pyramid-shaped ceiling, and I always had

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strange expenses there.

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I was just, again, just checking my phone and not really paying attention to the invitation

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or anything else.

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We're just checking posts.

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The energy changed in the room at 1030 at night, and I felt it was an electrical charge,

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very heavy, and I knew something was changing, and for whatever reason, I sent a message

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to my mother, and I said, how do you communicate with archangels?

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I mean, I don't care about archangels.

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Like I said, I'm not a religious person, and when my mother said to me that she was using

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archangels and angels to help patients instead of using the regular Reiki methods, I just

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said, I'm sorry, but it doesn't really ring anything to me, I just don't care.

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And so when I saw myself writing this, I said, what is this?

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Why am I doing this for you?

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But still, I was in communication with her, and I was insisting on it.

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I was actually insisting on it for half an hour at least, and she kept telling me, oh,

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you can wait.

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I will tell you, I will give you some advice and guidance on that when I come for your

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birthday and all of that.

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And I said, no, no, I really need to know how, and I need to have one protocol right

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now.

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I need to know that, and I had no idea why I was writing this, but I kept insisting.

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And then all of a sudden, at 11-11, the beings, the archangels beings showed up in my living

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room, and they materialized at the same time, and they were transparent, I could see through

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them, but they had very piercing eyes, and they had white hair, long hair, with white

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robes, and they had porcelain skin, ageless people, I could not tell if they were 500

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years old or 20 years old, it was very hard to say, but they each had different features,

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and very slender men, I guess they were men, and they didn't really introduce themselves

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to me right away.

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That's patriarchal.

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I assumed they were men and they were white men.

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That's me with an open book, he was the only one with an open book, while the others observed,

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and as he was walking towards me, I really was not feeling comfortable with it.

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And my mother was still on the phone, by the way, you can imagine that, and so I was on

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the sofa, and he was right there, he was right next to me, with the open book in his hands,

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and he kept looking at me, almost like saying, you know, come on man, we have other things

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to do today, just hurry up, and I looked at him, and my mother texted me saying, grab

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the book, and I didn't mention the book to her.

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And I dropped my phone, and I placed my hands underneath the book, and I blacked out, and

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then they spoke to me, and the man that was there was Michael, and he had a book, not

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a show, what's the name of it, but it has a certain significance, and he said, now we'll

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be sharing with you the history of space and time.

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And I was through the cosmos, and that's when they told me about the Pleiadians, saying

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they have their own agenda, because you don't see, you have to see beyond them.

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The Archangels are wary of the Pleiadians, so now not only does he have the gift to see

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beyond the veil of death, not only is he someone who is welcomed by the leader, I guess, Zor,

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of the Galactic Alliance, that tells him that it is your mission to wake up the starseeds,

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he now is dealing with legit biblical figures.

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The Archangel Michael is telling him all the knowledge of space and time, so now he's

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omniscient to some extent, he knows everything, if Michael came and gave him the book of knowledge

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and told him the history of space and time, he knows everything, he can astral travel,

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so he's pretty much omnipresent to a certain extent, he can go anywhere at any time.

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Is he omnipotent?

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Probably not.

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But he's really presenting a picture where he is very close to God.

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That is really troubling.

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The Archangel Michael came to me and said, we got a vacancy.

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God is out for a bit.

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God's on vacation.

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You want to step in?

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You, Sebastian, noted asshole by your own story.

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Good at selling overpriced honey.

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We're gonna need you to take over godness for a while.

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But at the same time, look dude, you can scoff all you want.

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Yes I can.

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Desperate times make heroes out of vulnerable people.

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And this was last September, so he's clearly done a lot with his power in a short period

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of time.

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I think he self-published a book.

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Yeah.

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And he has this website that gets the lightworkers together.

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Doing great.

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So at the end there he's talking about how the Pleiadians are suspicious, they got their

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own agenda thing going on.

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It's interesting that Carrie, she doesn't buck back at that, she's not mad about that

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even though she loves the Pleiadians, and according to Eddie Page, is one.

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Although all these fucking alignments are completely off.

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They shift no matter, depending on who's talking to who.

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Right, right, right, right.

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So Carrie starts rambling a little bit, and they talk about Atlantis, and...

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Of course, eventually you're gonna talk about Atlantis.

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Sebastian doesn't know much about Atlantis, but it turns out he does believe that the

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Basque people are the descendants of Atlantis, and mysteriously he has some lineage in the

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Basque region.

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Isn't that odd?

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Yeah, weird.

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Isn't that odd?

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So Carrie gets into, again, the idea that Atlantis was destroyed by a controlled meteor

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by evil alien forces, and she talks about how our military is at war with the kingdom

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of Mu, which still exists.

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They exist underwater, they have underwater bases, the military is engaging with them.

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The United States military?

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You bet.

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Okay.

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No wonder their budget is so huge.

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They're engaged in a protracted war that's been going on, and Japan is probably on the

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side of Mu.

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I don't know.

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I have no idea.

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She doesn't get much into it, but she does throw those kernels of information out, and

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I was like, I don't give a fuck.

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So we get to the end here, and this is how they end their interview, and I think it's

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kind of telling.

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And I think that people will find value here, and certainly with your mission, if you want

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to wake up starseeds, certainly we want to wake up starseeds, so we have a similar mission.

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Do you?

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Yes.

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And there are others.

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This is not the only option.

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There are others.

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Many people are doing it, and that's great.

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We need to see more of this, because we are definitely in this elevation process, and

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everybody feel the urgency and seeing a change already, and it's a positive change, despite

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what people say.

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So it's going to be leading to great things.

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Wonderful.

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Yes.

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All right.

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Thank you, Sebastian.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you for your service to humanity.

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Your service to humanity.

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Now, what I want to draw sharp focus to here is, they're talking about here, this is their

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mission to wake up starseeds and what have you, and from everything I can tell, Sebastian

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is the anti-Jessica Schaub, is the exact reverse, inasmuch as there's very clear indications

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from his past that he went through some stuff that led him down the path he's on vis-à-vis

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believing these visions or whatever that he's clearly embellishing.

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He has a family history in the same way that Jessica did with her dad, trying to get her

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into this world.

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He has a mom who believes she can heal people with her touch, and that she came back from

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the dead, and a grandma who is convinced that she has Vatican-certified miracles and witnessed

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the Virgin Mary.

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So they have very similar trajectories, but the difference is that he's never going to

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get off this trail, or at least certainly hasn't yet, whereas Jessica saw through what

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she was doing and saw how it was harming people, Sebastian doesn't seem to be all that concerned

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with it.

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That's kind of a bummer for his grandma, though, because she's only had two miracles.

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Only?

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Yeah.

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What?

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Well, you've got to have three to get sainted, man.

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Oh.

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She's way, she's still behind the game.

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I don't think she's in the running for canonization.

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You don't think so?

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I don't think so.

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All right.

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But I mean, he's, you know, he has an ever-expanding, very grandiose life story that he's presenting,

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where he goes from, like I said, he goes from saying that, you know, I could see visions

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of inconsequential, localized things that may or may not happen to now he's being recruited

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by angels.

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Yeah.

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So, like, this is only showing a pattern of escalation, and it doesn't seem like it's

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going to get off track.

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He is absolutely hurting people with this.

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Oh, for sure.

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And he's hurting himself.

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And clearly, he left his wife to go to Mount Shasta.

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He's not helping the people around him.

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Based on his story, too, he's blacking out a lot.

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Oh, yeah.

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And anytime he's in a stressful situation, he starts to see and hear voices.

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Yeah.

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I would suggest, instead of going to see a hypnotherapist, or doing transcendental meditation...

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Uh, maybe see a doctor.

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Oh, transcendental medication.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Nice.

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We can't diagnose shit on this podcast or anything like that, but there are strong indications

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that what we see has a natural path.

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There is explanations that meet sort of criteria along the way.

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And that's, I mean, that's all.

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This is just someone who refuses to analyze himself in the way that someone like Jessica

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Schaub, who could have gone down the road, still to this day, to present, like, I'm just

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trying to wake up star children.

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Right.

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Whatever.

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He's not willing to do that because he wants to sell his book and run this operation where

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he recruits lightworkers.

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So as much as I empathize with him, he can also go fuck himself for this shit because

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this is lame.

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And he does need an editor.

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Yeah.

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Told you.

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Yeah.

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You were right on that one.

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Everybody needs an editor, Dan.

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I'm going on vacation.

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I'm out of here.

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Absolutely.

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But one thing you can't do is put a fucking alien on a pedestal.

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Don't do it.

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No.

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Because I'll tell you what an alien's done.

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What's that?

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They have definitely probably technically killed at least one guy.

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Well, I mean, yeah, if they're real, in the conception of these people, yes, they have

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killed a lot of people.

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A lot of guys.

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They took out Atlantis.

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Alex Jones only killed one, technically, probably.

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So in this case, sort of a de-escalation.

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Alex, you're on the good side of this one compared to fucking murderous aliens.

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We aren't even...

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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It's been a pleasure to work with you.