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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes that like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we do. Uh, Dan?

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What up?

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Dan.

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What up?

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Is there a... I don't even know what you would call it.

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Is there a blues traveler to this?

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We did blues travel a hundred episodes ago.

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Oh god dammit, what am I supposed to remember?

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Other people celebrate their hundredth episode, Dan. I don't even know what number we're at.

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I don't either, I have no clue.

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Uh, okay, um, is there...

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In fact, I think we've done blues traveler like twice.

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Have we done blues...

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Now three times.

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Now it's boring, now it's boring.

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Uh, is there, uh, what would you call it?

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Is there an amen break to this, Dan?

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Uh, no.

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Fuck you, you don't know about the amen break?

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No, because I was, I was thinking of the, uh, the Shaq song, No Hooks, featuring the RZA.

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See, no, the amen break, important. Shaq song, no.

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See, you strongly disagree.

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Amen break, one of the most important things in hip-hop history.

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Shaq underrated. Very competent as a rapper. I think that people need to remember that.

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All right, all right, all right.

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They think of his rap career as a joke, but man...

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It was?

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No, it wasn't.

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All right.

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He went platinum. He has a song with Biggie.

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He, he, he's, he held his own on a track with Method Man and the RZA.

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He did his job.

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Don't like it.

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Anyway, the hook of this show is that I know a lot about Alex Jones and Shaquille O'Neal's

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music career.

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Yeah, apparently, which is uncomfortable for both of us to learn.

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Yeah, I knew, I've known it for a long time. I have to live with this.

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Uh, anyway, today, Jordan, we're going to be going over a special report that Alex Jones

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put out on May 19th, 2018.

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Oh no, I don't want that.

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Eh, we kind of have to.

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I don't want that at all.

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I don't want, I don't know.

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I know it sucks to be in the present.

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Can I, can I veto an episode?

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Do we have, do we have to just cancel this and then wait for you to do another 30 hours

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of research?

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No, cause if you do veto it, we can just play the entire, uh, 40 minute, uh, debate that

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I found between Leeann McAdoo and Owen Schroyer.

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No.

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Other side of the debate, Eddie Bravo.

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All right, well now I'm in.

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Debating.

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Now I'm way in.

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Debating flat earth.

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Now I'm way in.

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That is not what we're going to be going over today.

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God damn it.

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Um, I look, it's not about the shooting.

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Debating flat earth.

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It's very weird.

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I wonder which side Eddie Bravo's on.

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The whole time he's like, I'm not saying the earth is flat.

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He's like, but it's not round.

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Let me not say it again.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It's very fucked up.

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Guys, uh, guys a delight.

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Um, uh, so it's not about the school shooting.

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Don't worry about that.

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That's not, uh, that's not what we're covering here.

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The Santa Fe Texas shooting.

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Man, I wish some anti second amendment people would allow me to give thoughts and prayers

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to Ted Cruz's children.

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Man.

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You know what though?

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Look, uh, that's horrible, but also I'm on it.

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I'm fine with it.

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Didn't do anything.

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Yeah, I know.

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All right.

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Fine.

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Sacrifices.

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I have to strongly, uh, separate myself from that sentiment.

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You take that and you live in it.

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I didn't say anything other than what the president said.

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I don't give a shit.

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I understand that, but that doesn't mean that it's okay for us.

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Just because it's something horrible he did.

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But anyway, look, look, the deal is this.

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Um, I watched the press conference that they advertised, uh, the other day.

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Uh, Owen Schroyer went out to the Memorial of the shooting the night of, they were having

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a vigil type thing.

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And like Ted Cruz showed up and, uh, uh, governor Abbott, uh, the Texas governor showed up.

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And see, I'm just thinking, wouldn't it be better if you, if I was one of Ted Cruz's

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children, I would think that the best thing that could happen to me is for me to just

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go away.

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Well, not, not existing does seem to us preferable affairs.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It's, it's really, it's a mercy.

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Look horrible, horrible, Jordan, bad, bad scolding you with my fingers.

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Oh, I'm saying blood in blood out, man.

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I don't know.

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The point I'm making is that I watched that and it wasn't actually all that terrible.

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Um, they weren't like, Owen wasn't antagonizing people really.

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Um, there were a number of, they, some of the interviews he did were really messed up,

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but it was just that the people he was talking to were stupid.

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Okay.

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You know, like he, he ran into a couple of people who were like, uh, you know, this is

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all about Satanism and stuff like that, found some info warriors to talk to, but they weren't

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being, he wasn't being disruptive in any way or they weren't being disrespectful to the

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proceedings.

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And so like, I'm not saying I tip my cap to your reporting or anything like that.

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I'm saying it's not really all that interesting.

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Right.

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I think it's really negative in the sense that it's kind of normalizing because the

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fact that they did go out to this thing and everyone was fine with them being there for

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the most part and they just behaved like a normal news organization, it kind of gives

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them cover in some ways to be like, we're just reporting.

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Right.

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That scares me and worries me a little bit.

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Well, I think what we should have learned from the Grinch, uh, who stole Christmas is

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not to gather hands and sing, uh, but to grab pitchforks and torches and murder the Grinch.

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That was the real lesson there that Dr. Seuss fucked up.

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That's how you pronounce his name.

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All right.

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I found that out.

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Uh, some say Alex Jones's flask grew two sizes that day.

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Um, but look, uh, so we're not going to be covering that and I don't really particularly

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care because every time we have one of these shootings, uh, you know, the story is misogyny.

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The story is angry white men generally, uh, who, uh, uh, feel like they're entitled to

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people.

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I mean, the stories come out about one of the victims of the shooting was someone who

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had rejected his advances in the history of domestic violence.

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Another story came out just the other day about the Sutherland Springs shooting where

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the guy went into the church, killed 20 something people.

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And, uh, the story, uh, that just came out about how he had waterboarded his wife, uh,

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in the past.

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Right.

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Uh, and you know, you just see this trend over and over again and any conversation that

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is not taking that into account isn't really a conversation worth having.

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Okay.

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So let's, okay, let's table gun control.

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All right.

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And instead let's just put every single fucking white man in jail.

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No, that's not, I'm fine with it.

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That's not the look.

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If that's what it, if that's what it takes, I will stay there in jail because I'm fucking

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done.

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I did fucking done with this shit.

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I did an in depth, uh, look at the like the mass shootings of the last couple of years

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and I did a article on our website and you can find, and that thread is through almost

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everything.

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Yep.

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And the conclusion that I came to, and I believe this is like, you're going to have to choose

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one problem to solve.

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It's either gotta be the guns or the dudes.

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Yep.

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And I don't think Alex wants to talk about either of them.

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And most people who are in positions of power don't really want to talk about either, but

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you have to talk about one or else what you're talking about is piss ant nonsense.

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Like the idea of adding more doors to a school or taking away doors.

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I'm not even gonna engage with that.

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Right.

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I know that's what I'm saying.

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That's what I'm saying.

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All this stuff is like each, each successive shooting that happens, the, the, like the

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answer gets weaker.

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Like, you know, last time it was, we need to arm teachers pretty weak.

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What are you, what are you talking about?

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Hold on.

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Pretty weak.

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Sorry.

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Sorry.

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Yeah.

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Let me, let me let you finish your point.

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That's pretty weak and people did not enjoy that idea.

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So time goes on and we have another school shooting and they know they can't just toss

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that back into the ring.

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And so this time it's less doors.

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It's like, that's even weaker than arming teachers.

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That's stupid.

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And guess what?

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You know what?

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That's going to cause a bottleneck of people trying to get out of the school.

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It'll end up, you know, it's like, Hey, we need less fire exits.

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What?

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What?

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Right.

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That way the fire can't get in.

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Right.

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So you understand like the next time it's going to be an even weaker fucking argument in order

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to not talk about the gun issue or the male entitlement issue.

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That's the point.

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There is no argument.

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It doesn't matter how weak their argument is because the argument that they're always

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making is we will watch your children die.

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Right.

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That's the argument.

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We don't fucking care.

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I want to, that's, look, the statistic that everybody's put out that is certainly around

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is more children have died in school shootings than service members.

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This year.

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And that is, that is absolutely accurate because what it really is, is they have been fighting

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a war against us.

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They have been fighting a war against the rest of us for so fucking long and we haven't,

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we haven't been part of that war.

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We've just been the fucking victims of it and it can't, it can't go on.

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These people need to go.

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Period.

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And I, I, I can't say I want to give people my thoughts and prayers, Dan, because the

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people that, the people that I'm thinking about and praying about, they won't like the

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things that I'm thinking and praying happened to them because there's no other way.

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We have to, this is a civil war situation.

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That's really what it is.

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It's a civil war.

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Get rid of them.

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Like a behind the scenes civil war kind of like just behind the curtain.

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Well, I mean, for us, for the children, it's a very fucking real civil war.

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Unfortunately, not, I mean, not unfortunately, but we can't lump ourselves into that group.

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We're not in schools, you know, or anything like that.

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We're, we're just, we're as external to it as, you know, a lot of other people.

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It's just, we respect the voice of the people who are a part of it.

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Anyway, I know I said we weren't going to talk about that.

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Now, 10 minutes later.

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Yeah.

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Well, what else, how do you fucking avoid it?

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How do you avoid it?

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I mean, the only accurate, like the only real response is what that fucking little girl

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said when she's like, Oh yeah, we just assumed it was going to happen.

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Yeah.

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That's, that's it.

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That's bleak.

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You, you fucking murdered us.

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That's real bleak.

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That is living in a post-apocalyptic, there are movies in a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland

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in America where people have more hope than that fucking girl.

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That's not great.

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So, uh, we're not going to talk about Alex's response to any of that stuff.

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And also, unfortunately we're not going to be talking...

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Is it because it's too progressive and comforting for everybody to hear?

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Maybe.

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Can't change our, can't change our listeners opinion of Alex.

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There's another thing that we're not going to be talking about.

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What's that?

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Um, there was a video that went around the internet of, uh, you know, when Alex and Milo

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were out at the, uh, they went to the Google fiber store afterwards.

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Did you see this video?

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They ended up at a bar.

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I'm not allowed to see these videos.

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This went around.

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I thought you might've accidentally seen it.

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Um, they ended up at a bar and one of Alex's listeners showed up, uh, cause he was watching

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the live stream and was like, I can go find them.

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And so he shows up and tries to get Alex to like, help him launch infowarsmusic.com.

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Love it.

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And he is a crazy dude.

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He says that he's the Spiderman on sixth street.

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Love it.

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Probably means he dresses up a Spiderman, takes pictures with people for money.

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Absolutely.

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And Alex, as soon as he recognizes that this is one of his listeners who was crazy,

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he immediately slams his drink and is like, Hey, I'm going to pay for your drink.

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Plops a bill down on the table.

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It was like, Hey brother, I got to go.

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He just tries to get away from him as quick as possible.

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Right.

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It's really funny, but there's no way for us to really cover that.

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So he is rational.

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Yeah, well, he's, he's aware of danger.

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Um, and that, and that, and that speaks to...

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Did he engage with the fact that it's Alex's own ideas to start, uh, infowarsmusic.com?

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The listener?

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Yeah.

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No, he did not recognize that, uh, uh, Scooby Doo or whatever the fucking guy's name was.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, what's his name?

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God damn it.

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Sylvester?

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No, something, something.

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Daffy Duck.

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It was Daffy Duck.

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That was it.

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Um, but it, I mean, it dovetails nicely into this article out of the Guardian, uh, that

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also came out.

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Oh, the reason we're not going to cover that is because it's a video and it's really not

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fun just as audio.

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Yeah.

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And it's too difficult for us to play a video that you have to watch, uh, and then respond.

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Right, right, right, right.

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We don't have the text.

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This isn't a documentary, uh, showing.

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No.

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So there was an article that came out in the Guardian.

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Um, I'm trying to find the, uh, the date on this.

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Uh, this is from, uh, the 19th, so Saturday.

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Uh, new documents suggest Las Vegas shooter was conspiracy theorist.

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What do we know?

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So it turns out that a bunch of documents got released about, uh, about Stephen Paddock,

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the guy who shot up the concert, the country concert in LA, uh, Las Vegas.

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Um, and, uh, there are a bunch of, uh, people who had run into him, uh, and a bunch of people

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who gave statements.

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Uh, there was this, uh, one, uh, lady, uh, in a handwritten statement, one woman says

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she sat near Paddock in a diner just a few days before the shooting while out with her

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son.

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She said she heard him and a companion discussing the 25th anniversary of Ruby Ridge and the

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Waco siege.

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Uh, she says she heard him and his companion saying the courtroom flags, like in a courtroom,

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with gold fringe are not real flags.

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Right.

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The belief that gold fringe flags are those of a foreign jurisdiction or admiralty flags

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is characteristic of the so-called sovereign citizens who believe, among other things,

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that the current US government and its laws are illegitimate.

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There's a bunch of other stuff that they found about him being afraid of FEMA camps and stuff

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like that.

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And what it really goes to show, I think this is important, is that this guy who bum-rushed

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Alex at that bar when he was out with Milo and he ran away from him.

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Yeah.

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That indicates an awareness of, hey, the people who believe the same stuff I believe but aren't

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millionaires are crazy.

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I have to get away from them.

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Oh yeah.

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And then we see information coming out about Paddock and we see, oh, he believes a lot

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of the same stuff Alex does, which is why he has to spin the narratives about him being

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a leftist and being Antifa and being, uh, uh, you know, all this other bullshit.

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Of course.

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So if you're gonna, if you're gonna get caught in the conspiracy web, you, you try and push

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it towards the guy who's a 9-11 truther, but in the leftist way.

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Right.

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Or whatever.

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So that is the, the roundup.

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Our new segment, uh, talking about, uh, not this episode for the first 13, 14 minutes

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of the episode.

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I know we'll get into today's episode.

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This is a special report Alex put out on Saturday cause something happened and boy, Alex is

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really worried and he should be.

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Oh no, I did see this one.

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What'd you see?

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This is Roger Stone going down, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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So here's a out of context drop from today's episode about the special report Alex put

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out on May 19th.

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Sometimes I wonder, is this a video game, a simulation?

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Because this is crazy.

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It is pretty crazy.

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It is pretty crazy.

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So, uh, Roger, although it's not crazy in as much as we have been saying this for a

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long time that Roger Stone was going to go down.

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It was very obvious.

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None of this is news.

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No, this is so obvious.

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Um, so, uh, it's not so much that Roger Stone is necessarily going down as Alex worried.

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Cause I mean, at press time I still stand by my conviction that I think Roger might've

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cut a deal already.

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Yeah.

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I think that there's a reasonably good chance.

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What's uh, especially since he went on national TV and was like, yeah, I'm probably getting

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indicted.

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Whatever.

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I'm Roger Stone.

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Come at me.

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Of course I'm getting indicted.

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Yeah.

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What do you, what do you fucking think?

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Yeah.

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So it's actually, you think this is my first indictment?

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I'm Roger fucking Stone.

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Uh, Roger Stone's aides have been, uh, called for questioning.

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That's his social media aides, uh, have been brought in, uh, to Mueller and the investigation.

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That's what Alex has really freaked out about because this is the right thread to pull if

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you're investigating this.

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Cause the social media stuff is really where, you know, you get, you get to figure out exactly

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where was intention, you know, like what was an accident in terms of bots elevating your

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traffic and what was intentional, who knew what, and that sort of thing is really important

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to nail down if you're trying to track the actual, uh, story as opposed to the like Alex

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is on Russia's payroll, which no one is saying except his ex-wife.

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Yeah.

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Well, yeah.

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Uh, but before we get into this, I want, I was looking into Roger Stone a little bit,

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uh, just for fun.

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I read an article about him from the New Yorker.

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Also that must've been the shortest FBI deposition in history with, um, so we, uh, you, could

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you say on tape that you are Roger Stone's social media aid?

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Oh, he did all that shit.

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No, no, wait, what did you know?

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You have to say, Oh yeah, he did it.

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Whatever it is you're going to ask.

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Totally.

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Oh, he's guilty.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Oh, he did that shit.

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The shit you're not going to ask about.

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He did that too.

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What do you think is going on?

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So I read this article about Roger Stone from the New Yorker in 2008 and a lot of it is

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about how he goes to like vaguely swinger-ish bars, brings his own bottles of vodka.

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No problems.

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Good times.

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I'll fight with that.

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But here, here's a couple of passages that I found particularly interesting.

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Uh, quote, over the years, Stone's relationships with colleagues and clients have been so combustible

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that his value as a messenger has been compromised.

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Stone worked for Donald Trump as an occasional lobbyist and an advisor when Trump considered

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running for president in 2000.

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Quote, Roger is a stone cold loser, Trump told me.

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He always tries taking credit for things he never did.

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That's good.

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Absolutely.

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Here's another quote.

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Quote, Ed Rollins, who served as president Reagan's first political director said, quote,

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Roger was a fringe player around town.

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He always had a reputation of being a guy who exaggerated things, who pretended he did

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things.

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Roger was never on Nixon's staff, was never on the White House staff.

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I don't think you'll find anyone in the business who trusts him.

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Roger always has been a little rat.

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Yeah.

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So that's the, that's why I believe he's in the center of things more.

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Yeah.

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Cause, cause nowadays it doesn't matter.

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Yeah, your credibility doesn't matter.

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Oh, who fucking cares?

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But that's also, why would I trust somebody in the Nixon administration to tell me the

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truth about anybody?

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Yeah.

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But those are opinions about Roger Stone from before he got involved in Trump's campaign

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or anything like that.

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So that should tell you what people thought about him before all this.

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I just like the idea that somebody in the Nixon administration is like, that guy is

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not credible.

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Thanks dude.

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Thanks.

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Good work.

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Cool.

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So here we go.

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Let's start, you ever look in a mirror, sir?

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Let's start this first clip.

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This is Alex Jones, emergency special report on Saturday.

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Cause he got a call from Roger saying, Oh, when I got started trying to promote Americana

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25 years ago, what do you mean that, uh, that album by, uh, I'd studied history.

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Who did that?

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I knew there were a lot of powerful forces in America that wanted to get rid of capitalism

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and get rid of the right to self-defense.

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It was offspring.

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A lot of groups that didn't like the first amendment and I thought, well, I'll get politically

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involved.

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And 25 years later, 23 years later after being on air for 23 years.

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Cool.

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I look back and I got to say, I'm proud of the effect we've had in America and the world

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relaunching nationalism, populism, capitalism, and really Americana.

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You name it.

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I am proud of really disappointed in the fact that I am one of the most prominent people

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in the world doing this.

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And then I've had such a big effect when I know a lot of men and women who were super

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smart, very charming, very hardworking, but who've chosen to go along with the establishment

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because they think that that is a safer route.

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So the things I'm going to say to here and the breaking news you're going to see on this

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Saturday, the 19th of May, 2018 is vital.

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My sister is getting married in just about an hour, but I'm here.

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That's the breaking news?

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Because this is so important.

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Oh.

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My baby sister, I'm 14 years older than her.

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Marley is getting married today.

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Spoiler alert.

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That's a gross way of saying that.

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Spoiler alert.

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She's the one who always says is Korean adopted.

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So he doesn't bring that up.

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Hey, Alex, you're going to miss that wedding.

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This special report.

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Alex, you weren't invited to that wedding, were you?

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At the end of it, spoiler alert, Owen Schroyer shows up just wandering around the studio.

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He's like, Owen, come in and host for a little while.

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I got to get out of here.

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Go to this wedding.

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Are you going to the wedding?

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You don't have to come.

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As if he's just going to drag Owen Schroyer to his Korean adopted sister's wedding.

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Oh, God.

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God, the special report is over an hour long.

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So if she's getting married in an hour, unless she's getting married at Infowars Studios.

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And he's going to the reception.

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He's not going to the wedding.

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I would assume so.

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Nobody wants him in a church.

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He's already possibly like two drinks in, you know?

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So anyway, that's just a nice standard preamble for Alex.

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He's got globalists on the mind and what have you, but he's mad.

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And he's busy, so you know it's important that he's doing this now.

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Well, of course.

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And he's mad, but he also has receipts.

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Now I've got a message for Robert Mueller.

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I've got a message for Hillary Clinton.

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Got a message for Comey and Soros and all you spirit cookers.

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I've got a message for you guys.

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All you Crowleyites.

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What's that?

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Whose egos is only outpaced by the amount of evil you engage in.

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Long pauses.

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That's a long pause.

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You coming up here in a few minutes, I thought I was going to talk over the big news.

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I'm going to break down as well.

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You're not.

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And I've got exhibits here, not for the mainstream media.

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That's going to twist this and lie about it.

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But for you who happened to be on info wars.com or news wars.com or on our Twitter, on our

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Facebook, on our YouTube, because you've got to be on the pages.

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When we go live, they don't let the notifications go out to anybody.

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They don't very small percentage.

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That's not true.

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I don't even subscribe to his channels and I randomly will get updates that their channels

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have gone live.

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Great.

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I get push notifications on my phone.

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You got to disable your cookies, my friend.

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I know it's not good.

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So anyway, we are being censored ahead of the big event that they've got set up for

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us.

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Sure.

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And so I'm going to lay out some exhibits here because I don't just make these claims.

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This is a dinosaur bone.

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I'm going to lay it out.

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He's going to do a lot of teasing.

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A bug preserved in Amber.

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Would you like some more exhibits?

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This is going to create a dinosaur.

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Yeah.

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He's got Mr X to the Z.

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Oh, of course, of course.

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He's got a lot of exhibits.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Oh man, exhibit.

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One of the great, one of the great rappers.

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Never got to respect him.

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Every time you say, what are the great rappers?

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I feel like you're wrong.

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I don't even, I don't even listen.

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I haven't listened to exhibit in 20 years and I'm still like, Dan's probably wrong about

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great song.

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He did with to live quality.

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That was like a, he had that great line with a Dick in your ear.

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You still couldn't fuck with my sound.

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I like that.

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That's not bad.

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That's pretty good.

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That's not bad.

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Yeah, you're right.

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He's not one of the greats, but he was better.

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He was better than to be remembered as the guy who was on pimp my ride.

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That's self-inflicted though.

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Well, you need, you need money, man.

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If you're 14, you only know ice cube as the guy from, uh, are we there yet?

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There's another Friday coming out soon.

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I think I saw a tweet might be, it might be happening.

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I don't know.

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Excited to see Mike Epps again.

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A 14 year old knows about Friday.

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Hmm, maybe next Friday or Friday after next one with the ghetto Grinch.

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Yeah, the ones that you, you got to start with the originals kids.

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If you're 14 and you're watching Friday after next dude, no leave it.

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No movie series has transformed themselves more than the Friday series Friday.

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Pretty serious with some goofy comedic relief.

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The rest of the movies, very much absurd comedy.

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Which makes you wonder what was it they were going for the first one?

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I think it, I think Friday is an amazing movie.

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I think it stands up.

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It is really good.

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Granted, I haven't watched it in a long time.

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Deebo became the president in the fifth element.

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He also fought against Hulk Hogan.

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Oh, I did not know that.

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And became a wrestler in the WCW.

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Sure.

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Why not?

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Zeus.

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He was Zeus?

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Tiny Lister.

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I just like it.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, anyway, uh, Alex has got receipts.

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He's got exhibits.

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Uh, that's how we got caught off.

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Yeah, that's where we go.

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Uh, so it's been too long since we've done the show, Dan.

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True, true.

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And this is so like, uh, like it's an interesting thing.

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I think Alex is actually really worried because he keeps saying he's not worried.

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And he's very restrained.

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Like in this episode, you're not going to see much freak out from Alex.

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You're just going to see he's maintaining control over his language.

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You're going to see an attempt at really lying.

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Uh, like it's, it's, he's trying to be very serious and actually he's acting like he's

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bringing forth real information.

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Um, and, uh, you know, it's not maybe as fun as him drunkenly screaming, fill your hand

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or something like that, but there's a lot you can dig into.

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And I think you're gonna, we're going to find some real bullshit, uh, which starts here.

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First off, here's a McClatchy article from last year, 2017.

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You can pull it up.

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Just type in FBI dash led investigative team examines the role of conservative news sites.

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Now you rush the campaign and I'm gonna give you that in a moment.

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These are the exhibits that's from about 12 months ago.

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So middle of last year, it was from March and there's congressional hearings that go

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along with it.

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We played the clips, shocking clips, shocking clips.

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Here's one of the Reuters last night, Reuters last night, exclusive special counsel subpoenas,

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another stone aid in Russia probe.

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It's actually six.

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They grabbed five of them up off the street this week.

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We've talked to them and that's the news you're about to hear.

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What was Mueller asking of the five we've talked to one won't talk to us now.

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Good call.

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Smart.

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Very smart.

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Dr. Stone is with his lawyers in Miami as we speak is over.

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I'm talking to him.

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You should have talked to him before the broadcast.

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That's how serious the timing is.

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Cause it's all coming to a head the whole Russia gate.

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But wait, wait till you hear who they claim as the Russian mastermind.

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There's more.

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Who do you think the Russian mastermind is?

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Ooh, I'm going to go with Soros.

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It's Alex.

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Oh, it's Alex.

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Nobody thinks the, nobody thinks the Russian mastermind is Alex.

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That's the straw man.

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Nobody thinks that.

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That's the straw man he's creating of the developments.

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Even the most paranoid person is still like, Oh, Alex is a bit player.

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Come on, man.

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Even us who spent hundreds of hours going over his rise in 2015, uh, into the Trump

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campaign, like we never thought he was smart.

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No.

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We always thought, I mean, the, the, the, the obvious thing is he's being, he's being

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fucked with by people over and over again.

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Roger Stone is fucked with him like to an insane degree.

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Delightful.

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And he also is running a scam operation that is easily manipulated.

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Oh man, we could get, uh, we could get a, um, uh, pen dragon type situation with Roger

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Stone in jail.

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Alex goes to visit him once every, uh, couple of months, writes things down in crayon and

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he's like, here's what Roger Stone has to say.

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Secretly Roger Stone has been part of the secret space program for the better part of

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three decades.

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That's probably true.

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That's not a tattoo.

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If there is a secret space program, Roger's probably been involved.

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So that's not a tattoo of Nixon on his back. That's a man to be stupid.

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That would make more sense than most of what Nixon did.

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Um, so there's big news, big news coming out of the Trump, uh, world right now.

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And that is that there was a mole in his operation.

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Sure.

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Other exhibits.

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We broke this last Sunday with Roger Stone on the Sunday show, but now the New York Times

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broke it today.

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FBI spy op exposed Trump campaign infiltrated by long time CIA MI6 asset Cambridge professor

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Stefan Halper.

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That is a zero hedge headline.

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Uh, the, uh, he's, he's claiming that it's like mainstream news and, uh, the New York

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Times, he's just reading a zero hedge headline.

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Great.

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The other headlines are about it, uh, that I've found are Trump says, yeah, his campaign

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was infiltrated or something like that.

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Even if his campaign was infiltrated, don't, doesn't the FBI and the CIA have plants in

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most white nationalist organizations?

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Yeah.

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And I think that's just a reasonable thing to do.

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Boy, I'll tell you what, if you want to like say that our government had infiltrated Trump's

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campaign, that opens the door wide open for who else was in there infiltrating.

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Yeah.

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You probably don't want to think too much about that.

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That's another exhibit.

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Sure.

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Because unlike MSM, I'm not going to just sit here and tell you what's, what I say is

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going on.

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I'm going to show you what they admit's happening.

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Okay.

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Uh, do what now?

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He reads another headline here real quick.

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And then I've got Bruce Edward Ivins, a name Comey and Mueller hope you forget.

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And John P O'Neill, another name they hope you forget.

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We're going to get into this in a little bit later.

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Uh, I know that those names probably don't ring a bell necessarily.

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Uh, we'll get into it as Alex gets into it.

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So just leave it aside for right now.

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And then Michael R Caputo.

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And then another article, Robert Mueller is an amoral legal assassin.

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He will do his job if you let him.

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That's a headline from the Lyndon LaRouche political action committee.

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Not going to take that one all that seriously.

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The, the what?

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The, the Lyndon LaRouche political action committee.

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Do you know about Lyndon LaRouche?

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So on the up and up.

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Do you know about LaRouche?

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I don't.

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We don't have time.

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We'll get into them another day.

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All right.

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Piece of shit.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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That's just some of the research I did since I got the call at midnight last night.

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Three headlines with some of the research you did.

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During the morning I was talking to Roger Stone.

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Oh, so Roger Stone told you all about this.

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Gave you a direction to go off in.

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So the idea that whatever is being said by the aides is being filtered through Roger to Alex.

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So it's already third hand information, even if any of it is real.

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But then the research that he did is this McClatchy article, which we'll get back into.

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We've talked about it in the past.

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Didn't read it.

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We'll get back into the headline.

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We'll get back into it as Alex gets into it.

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Then an article from Zero Hedge and an article from Lyndon LaRouche,

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this political action committee.

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This is not good research.

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This is shoddy at best.

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And they're not even things that connect.

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They're headlines that sound like maybe they build to something, but they really don't.

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It's a house made of straw.

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Anyway, most of this special report is really Alex flexing.

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He's really just trying to be like, I'm not scared of you punks.

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Okay.

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It's a lot of that.

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And so here he shit talks Mueller a little bit.

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So I'm going to lay this out right now for the average soulless corporate climber,

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having Robert Mueller breathing down your neck would be a really scary thing.

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Okay.

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And you would immediately try to grovel or roll over or find out how you could bend over

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to have him leave you alone.

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I'm a heat sinking missile.

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I go towards the flak, towards the tyrants, because it's the mission I chose.

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If you're going to do this fight, it's the way it is.

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It's not heroic.

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It's self-preservation to fight people like this.

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America is about men and women supporting them, but it was about men fighting strong

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men, King rats.

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And, and I know at the end of the day, do you know what a rat King is the final equation?

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I'm on the right side of history because my soul, my spirit, my gut feels aligned with

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God.

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And that's the only master I'm serving.

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God, your God sucks, fake hypocrite or Viper here.

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No, you are, I just, I've got my own personal relationship with Jesus Christ and that's

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my rock.

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And then where I stand and the focus of everything I did, it sounds unhealthy.

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That's an unhealthy relationship.

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If he does have a relationship with Jesus, then Jesus is an enabler and we need to get

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him away from Alex.

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Yeah.

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Like Jesus is someone that Alex should be talking about at AA meetings.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's, that's the relationship he seems to have.

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Like if like, I don't want to put too fine a point on this, but like if Alex has a personal

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relate, I look, I don't like to criticize other people's spirituality or anything.

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I do fine.

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Then I'll do a little bit of it.

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If Alex has a personal relationship with his conception of God and God is fine with him

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getting drunk and screaming at women on the street, for example, or he's fine with him

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lying all the time, or he's fine with any of the other things that we've documented

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over the last year and a half, that God does suck.

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That is not a God in the vein of any tradition, except for maybe just hard Old Testament.

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But even then the commandments are very specific.

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They do tend to be hard.

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They, I believe the penalty for breaking them is death.

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One of them is, if I recall correctly, one of them's don't lie.

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And we've, boy, we've seen a lot of that.

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So he's not afraid.

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That would be a fun AA meeting whenever he finally goes and just like, oh, this, this

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fucking guy, I was, he allowed me to be a white nationalist for 25 years.

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He allowed me to drink on air.

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He pushed me, frankly, he pushed me to be mean and cruel to people.

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And the man I'm talking about is Jesus Christ.

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Is the Lord and Savior of Jesus Christ.

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Um, so he's not afraid of Mueller, but he is afraid of God.

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Here's another person he's not afraid of.

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Now, let me go ahead and give you the big news.

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And I've got my message for Mueller and Hillary and John McCain.

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All of them cursed.

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I'm fine with that.

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I don't like that Alex is like, he calls them walking brain tumors.

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Cause like, look, whatever, whatever you say about John McCain and not liking him.

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Yeah, point taken. I agree with you.

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I think it's a really fucking fucked up shitty thing.

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Just make fun of him having a brain tumor.

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I'm fine with it.

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I'm, I'm sure you are.

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I'm not, I don't, I don't like that.

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And the idea that he calls like Hillary and, uh, uh, McCain walking brain tumors is it's

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a cheap, it's a cheap fucking ugly attack on a person's health.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Fuck him.

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I don't give a shit.

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You're on Alex's side.

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I don't give a fuck.

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Fuck them.

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I don't give a shit.

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I don't.

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I look, the new age is called the force, but it's fine.

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God, the real power in this universe.

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So let me try to walk through this as best I can.

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Do new age is call it the force.

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No, no, they don't.

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That's what star Wars calls it.

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Pretty sure that's what star Wars calls it.

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Yeah.

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Uh, new age star Wars one in the same thing.

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Yeah.

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So I don't know.

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I don't want to, I don't want to discuss anymore of your, like, not your ideas, but like, I

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don't want to talk about it.

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It's okay to make fun of someone for having a brain tumor just because they're awful.

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Doesn't, doesn't make that fine for me.

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I understand.

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Your position is your position.

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Mine is mine.

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I understand your position and I wish I was a good enough person to share it, but, uh,

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now fuck them.

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I'm not.

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That's my philosophy on this right now.

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I'm not.

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My philosophy is, Hey, you enabled all of the, uh, depths of millions.

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So go fuck yourself.

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I hope, I hope you die of more brain tumors.

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I hope, I hope John McCain's brain tumor gets a brain tumor that kills his brain tumor as

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the brain tumor kills him.

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I don't give a fuck.

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I honestly, I don't, I agree.

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I agree with you in terms of like, there are a lot of really awful people often masquerading

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as decent people and it's okay to not really care when bad things happen to them.

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I also don't like engaging in Schadenfreude to a certain extent.

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No, I think it's not Schadenfreude.

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I'm not enjoying his demise.

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I am.

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You enjoyed saying that last sentence.

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Uh, well it was fun, but, but I'm, it's not, it's not like I'm enjoying it in an ironic

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way.

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I'm not enjoying a bad person trip and fall.

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I am enjoying the universe providing some small semblance of cosmic justice.

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He should die in the most painful possible fucking way that he can't.

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You've just described Schadenfreude.

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Anyway, that's not Schadenfreude.

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Yeah, it is.

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You're delighting in the pain of another person.

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Just because it's, just because you view it as some sort of cosmic justice, it doesn't

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take away.

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It's not delight.

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Yes it is.

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Look at your face.

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It's fury.

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It's fury.

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You're delighted by fury.

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I, well, I, I am a bit of an addict.

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There we go.

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Anyway, in this next clip, Alex Jones finally gets to that McClatchy article in a little

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bit of detail, which allows us to discuss what he's talking about.

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Let me go to the first.

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These pauses.

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Oof.

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Document that I raised here from McClatchy.

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About 10 months ago, 12 months ago, whatever you gotta look at that.

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14.

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This is the speed at which he reads a book at best.

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And what does it say?

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It says in the House Intelligence Committee and in the Senate Armed Services Committee,

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and then in the committees involved with elections, the big heavy hitters came in and I was told

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about this at the time.

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And they said, we want Breitbart executives and we want Infowars executives.

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Oh my God, spit it out.

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There were congressional hearings where they would have Board of Governor members of the

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FCC and others on saying Infowars is a Russian intelligence operation.

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No judge, no jury, incredible defamation.

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That's not what they said.

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And we want it shut down.

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And I've played those clips many times, but I noticed what mainstream media did.

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It was in Reuters.

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It was in McClatchy, but they would make jokes like, oh, Alex Jones claims he's being

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investigated by Mueller.

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It's in the McClatchy article.

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In fact, this is the first place that you learn about Cambridge Analytica because they

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want Alex Jones investigated.

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They want Breitbart investigated.

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They want Roger Stone investigated and they want Cambridge Analytica that you don't hear

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about for nine months, ten months later.

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You didn't hear about it, Alex.

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You didn't.

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First couple months of 2018.

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Well, he did, but he pretended.

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This is the roadmap of McClatchy that was actually at the hearings.

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So I want to read to you a couple of choice clips from this McClatchy article that Alex

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is talking about that he's saying is declaring him a Russian agent and all this shit.

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Operatives for Russia appear to have strategically timed the computer commands known as bots

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to blitz social media with links to the pro-Trump stories at times when the billionaire

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businessman was on the defensive in his race against Democrat Hillary Clinton.

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These sources say investigators examining the bot attacks are exploring whether the

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far right news operations took any actions to assist Russia's operatives.

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Their participation, however, wasn't necessary for the bots to amplify their news through

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Twitter and Facebook.

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So they're even in the article making clear that this doesn't mean at all that they were

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involved.

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Right.

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That's just a question that's being that needs to be answered.

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Right.

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They're not saying they did this.

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Also, the article goes on to say, quote, the investigation of the bot engineered traffic,

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which appears to be in its early stages, is being driven by the FBI's counterintelligence

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division, whose inquiry inquiries rarely result in criminal charges and whose main task is

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to reconstruct the nature of the Kremlin's cyber attack and determine ways to prevent

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another.

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Right.

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It's not even like the the the.

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Well, it's it's a very simple question that you need to ask in order to get the negative

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you need if bots are targeting these stories specifically to post in response to specific

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times.

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Well, are they working together or are the bots doing it on their own?

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And that's a timeline is difficult.

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Like it it does come to sound like a stereotypical TV lawyer, but it comes to intent, you know.

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Right.

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Like it does come down to that.

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And that is not immediately apparent.

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And that's one of the things that we have difficulty with, like in terms of nailing

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down specifics.

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It's like, is he really is he meaning to do this?

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Is there like when we when we uncovered in the end of 2015, Alex talking about how his

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traffic had doubled and his sales hadn't risen at all.

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Is there a cognizance there of why that happened?

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It's all automated traffic.

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Or is he completely in the dark and just confused about all that?

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We can't know for sure, but we can say this is what Alex is describing.

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Right.

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And we know pretty clearly that his site is being artificially inflated at that time frame.

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But we don't know.

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And if you're investigating this and you just assume that there is no connection between

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the two of them, you're not doing your job.

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That's not an investigation.

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No, exactly.

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Because even if the answer even if the answer is no and it's most likely no, it's very

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possibly no.

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If you don't say if you don't ask that question and just assume it, you're a moron.

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Right.

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Because then you have to go back and be like, we should have looked at that.

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Right.

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And not just that, but I mean, think about all the questions that seem so obvious in

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retrospect that just were assumed weren't the case.

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Like and also you assume like it seems like the simplest question to be like, hey, were

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you working with the Russians?

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And the answer is no.

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But if you look at the Russia or if you look at Mueller's investigation, it's like, are

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you guys working with the Russians?

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I don't know.

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Wait, what do you mean you don't know?

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I mean, maybe.

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What do you mean maybe?

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I mean, yeah, we totally did.

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Like, no, it should be more than three questions.

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If you're a better liar, it should last longer.

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Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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So that's that's what the McClatchy article is really about.

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Like, it's just about like the questions that are coming up in terms of the social media

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side of because that's where a lot of this took place.

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You know, like there's even a quote in this McClatchy article at the end here that is

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really it's telling in terms of where the mindset of folks were.

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Here's a quote.

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Russia's offensive might have been anticipated from a speech by top Kremlin official, a top

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Kremlin official made in February 2016 in a speech in Moscow.

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Andrei Krutskic told a conference of Russian computer security officials that the Putin

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government would be unleashing a cyber nuclear attack reminiscent of Russia's 1949 development

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of the atom bomb.

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Krutskic, whose speech was first reported by Washington Post columnist David Ignatius and

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independently confirmed by McClatchy, also reportedly said that the offensive would cause

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U.S. officials to gain respect for Russia's cyber capabilities.

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So the idea that like this information space and social media being such a wide open area,

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that's a very obvious place where investigations would be happening.

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The idea that Alex is spinning this into like just because he's mentioned in the article,

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they don't they don't say like he's doing this or he's a Russian agent.

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They bring him up in terms of like he posted a lot of posted a lot of shit.

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Yeah. And Breitbart and For Wars Are like the two main places where like stupidly pro-Trump

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shit was happening.

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An insane amount of insanely pro-Trump.

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And especially in terms of like very visible voices, people who were very clearly taking

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in.

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And were diehards too with with no pushback, not with no pushback.

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It would be it would be way less suspicious if at that time they had run even one article

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that was like Trump is a piece of shit.

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You know, like any one of those people would be like, well, maybe there was a maybe there's

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a difference between the two.

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But if Alex did plenty of that right before.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Right before he switched, he was doing plenty of that.

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Trump is a mob.

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Just like just like Putin winning an election with 97 percent.

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You're like that's suspicious.

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And it's obviously stupid.

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Right.

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If you're 100 percent pro-Trump in that time, that's suspicious because you're not a human

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being if you're 100 percent pro-Trump, pro anything.

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Well, but also imagine like another election in another country where you have a very prominent

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conspiracy theorist, propagandist, clearly gun for hire, who is like, I don't trust this

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guy.

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He's mobbed up all this.

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Ba ba do ba do.

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And then one of that guy's close associates becomes a major player at his news organization,

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his propaganda outfit.

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Right.

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And seemingly all of a sudden he starts shifting everything to this guy is the only person

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who can save us.

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You would not look like if you take it outside of the American context and put it as just

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an abstract thing, you're like, I see what's going on.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Right.

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You depersonalize it a little bit and take it away from the context that we know it in.

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The picture becomes very suspicious.

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Hmm.

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Yeah, that 180 degree turn had a 11 G strength to it.

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And that human beings can't survive that.

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So I think we might have an issue here.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, Alex does some analysis and then he says something really fucked up

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about Roger Stone.

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OK.

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But I want to just go over this because they think you're stupid as viewers.

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They think you don't have any memory or they think you don't watch long videos.

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You watch like two minute videos on average.

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No, you think that.

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They're just going to say, oh, Jones claims Mueller's investigating him because that elevates

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info wars.

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They want to have the fake investigation go forward and just have me arrested or shut

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up.

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And then it's like, oh, look at that traitor.

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You know, he's going to jail.

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And I'm going to explain that whole program as well, because I want the establishment

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to know I'm aware of what they're doing.

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I mean, I've got the bird's eye view of this.

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Nope.

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But let me just go ahead and hurry through this, please.

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This is an article from almost a year ago.

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14 months.

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Where you've got the Democratic Party coming in and saying we want Alex Jones shut down

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and that there is an FBI investigation into us for espionage with the Russians.

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OK, so we're almost a year later.

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What's happening now?

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A lot of people are getting indicted.

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In the last four days, six people associated with Roger Stone.

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Who plays up that he's this big political operative.

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Oh, shit.

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Really just a funny guy.

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Interesting.

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And I've never seen anything politically done.

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It's corrupt, actually.

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But he was involved in Watergate.

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What do you mean?

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I've never seen him do anything.

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I've never seen him do anything that's not politically corrupt.

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Alex, he works with you.

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That's nonsense.

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That's crazy.

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That to me is like, wow, that's amazing.

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I've never seen him do anything.

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But he's just a funny guy.

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Everything, everything, everything he does.

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Right.

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This is the new strategy, though.

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Probably be like, oh, I ran his I ran Trump's campaign for months now.

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Oh, also, I've been involved with Ferdinand Marcos through my.

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That wasn't a big deal, though.

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I was a player through my consultancy firm with Lee Atwater and Paul Manafort.

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Hey, let me point you back to what that Nixon official said and said.

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He was just a rat who was always on the edges.

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I'm just a rat who was always on the edges, guys.

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You don't got to worry about me.

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I'm a funny guy.

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I got a Nixon tattoo on my back.

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Hey, what kind of funny guy would do that?

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Yeah, this guy.

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He got in the back of a cigar shop.

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Who's got two thumbs and has never done anything politically corrupt?

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This guy.

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That's me.

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That's crazy.

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That like that to me is a tell.

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That's a pathetic tell.

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Like, yeah, being like because in other times when Alex has talked about Roger,

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he's been like he's been involved on the deepest levels.

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Yeah, of course, of course.

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That's his credit when you introduce him on Infowars.

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This guy is involved.

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He's a rat fucker.

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This guy is everywhere.

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Yeah, I mean, this is that's that's hilarious.

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That is so good.

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But he plays into the whole villain thing they push on him.

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Sure.

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Do you mean he pushes on us?

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Yes, and so they grab Michael R Caputo over the Trump campaign.

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They grab a bunch of other people.

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And when they're in these meetings with them for eight hours, six hours, three hours long,

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it was eight hours.

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They just keep going back to Alex Jones.

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So Alex Jones is kind of in charge of things.

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What, like an Infowars?

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Alex Jones, does he talk to the Russians?

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Alex Jones, he's financing all this, right?

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He's paying for campaigns.

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He's giving people money.

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They're like, sort of.

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We don't even know Alex Jones.

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Campaign.

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Roger Stone is a commentator, just like he's been a paid commentator on Fox for 10 years.

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Not anymore.

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I wonder why he's on the payroll at Infowars.

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You got to give us analysis.

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Keeps saying racist shit on the air.

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Can't let that.

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No, got to get out of here.

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No.

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The idea that these people are being grilled about like, Alex is in charge, right?

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That's probably like he is in charge of everything at Infowars.

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There's not another guy who might be named Buckley, who's secretly running things behind

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the scenes.

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There isn't a Rob Do who's actually the power player behind this whole game.

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Mysterious puppet master or something.

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Yeah, no, I'm sure that that's more of the question they're asking.

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And let's be fucking honest, I would say any investigation will be derelict in its duty

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if they didn't ask, do you know if they talked to the Russians?

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Because we, a podcast, run out of my bedroom between two dudes who are busy in other aspects

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of their life, managed to dig up a clip of Alex admitting he talked to Russian intelligence

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agents from his own show.

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So asking like a you know, because if I were again, why ask people questions?

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Just listen to Alex's show.

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He tells you all the answers.

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If I were if I were working for law enforcement, what I would do is I would make Alex do an

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interview under oath.

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I would ask him if he's ever spoken to Russian intelligence, and then he would say no.

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And then I would bring up that clip and be like, would you like to discuss what you were

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talking about there?

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And then either have him admit that he made up the entire story.

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Right.

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Or be like, well, you just lied to federal investigators.

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You do one, you do one, you do the other.

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No big deal.

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I mean, it's a trap.

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It's obviously a trap, but it's a trap he set for himself.

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I know.

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You know, so it's like you have indicated that you talk to Russian intelligence or you

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have spoken to them.

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You have had Alexander Dugan on your show multiple times right after the election.

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You were on his show and he told you that you were the greatest example of an American

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that he's ever seen.

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And anti-Americanism is over in Russia because of you.

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And here's how you would get Alex to tell the truth.

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You'd be like, and we agree.

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And Alex would be like, OK, sweet.

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So let me tell you all the shit that the Russians told me to do.

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Might be a better angle.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just flatter him the same way Alexander Dugan would do.

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And he'd be admitting to all the crimes.

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Alex, look, I know we're the FBI, but secretly we're on board.

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We're all huge fans.

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We're all huge fans.

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Oh, yeah.

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Hey, for real?

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And your next show?

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Tell everybody about this interview and what you said in it.

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Do, look, tell them what we told you.

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Do it.

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You're the greatest.

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You're the best.

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Alex, here's a state secret.

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Too easy.

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Too easy to trick an idiot.

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So Alex, at this point, presents the theory that he has that he is the victim of Goebbels

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style propaganda.

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That sounds right.

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Clearly, here's the key.

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This is being done to politically and culturally assassinate my character and make me a bad

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guy so that people believe some incredible asinine thing that's about to happen.

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Joseph Goebbels, the chief Nazi propagandist.

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Whom I have admired in the past.

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In letters that are public.

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Real quick, just for fun, Goebbels was largely inspired by Edward Bernays and his work.

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Edward Bernays trained Jerome Corsi, who works for Infowars.

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Don't worry about it.

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Six degrees of Goebbels, the new game at Infowars.

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It's the big lie theory.

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Done the propaganda down, Fuhrer leader, but also go over the top with the lie.

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That perfectly describes Infowars.

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It's very stupid stuff.

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It's very dumb to the point where it's accessible.

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If you dropped out of third grade and you are just angry and don't know anything about

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the world, that's accessible.

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Also, by the way, Wesley Snipes was in Major League with Charlie Sheen.

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Charlie Sheen has been on Alex Jones's show.

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Alex Jones has Jerome Corsi working for him.

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So we're going Wesley Snipes for Goebbels?

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Wesley Snipes is six degrees away from Goebbels.

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I could go quicker.

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Oh yeah?

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I was trying to go as far away in the weirdest possible way.

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Wesley Snipes-

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Is that why Wesley Snipes actually-

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I can do better.

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I can do better.

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Is that why he-

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Hold on, hear me out.

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He evaded taxes.

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Why?

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Goebbels.

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Wesley Snipes didn't pay his taxes.

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Right.

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Erwin Schiff says you shouldn't pay your taxes.

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Okay.

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His son Peter Schiff was on Alex's show.

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Like it?

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Alex works with Jerome Corsi, Jerome Corsi, Bernays, Bernays, Goebbels.

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Six.

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Done.

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Boom.

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Done.

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Done.

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None of those were movies.

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So anyway, Alex thinks that he's the victim of a big lie style.

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Like it's just so big that it has to be true.

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They wouldn't lie like this.

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Right.

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And to that I would say, Alex, your globalist thing is the biggest lie of all.

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Like that says that they drink children's blood.

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And like that they're demonic and they're possessed by a force outside of our dimension

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or whatever.

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Right.

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That's a big lie.

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Well that's satire.

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Satire.

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That's a big lie.

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It's the biggest lie.

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It's his entire worldview.

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His entire worldview is a lie.

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It just gets fascinating to me when a propagandist starts complaining about propaganda.

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It becomes like this weird Ouroboros.

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Yeah.

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Like, you know-

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Well I didn't know you could do it to me.

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You're thrilled that your audience is that dumb that they don't see through.

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Like when you talk about propaganda, it accurately describes your show.

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Right.

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And it's just a treat that people don't see through.

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Right.

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Anyway.

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Yeah.

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Your only response to that, if you're a propagandist,

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legitimately should be like, game recognize game, man.

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I don't know what to tell you.

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That guy is crushing it.

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So do you want to know what this is really all about?

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Ooh boy, I do.

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It's all about destroying-

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The family?

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Real media.

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Oh.

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They are demonizing Infowars as the precedent to destroy real media,

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as the statute to say that they can preemptively shut down news,

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and shut down info, and deplatform it internet-wide.

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It ain't news, brother.

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Communist Chinese-style censorship.

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And even the CEO of News Corp three months ago in the Wall Street Journal said this.

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We're going to deplatform WikiLeaks and Alex Jones and ISIS.

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Weird trio.

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And once we've got acceptance of that, we're going to deplatform everybody,

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including Drudge Report.

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I kind of put them all together, though.

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I'm down.

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I'm down with that.

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And once we've deplatformed them, then it'll just be 100 corporations or less.

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Well, he said 100 news sites.

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So that's what will be allowed on Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube.

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That's the new supermarket suite, by the way.

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Approve news.

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100 corporations or less.

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And I even see people like Drudge Report backing away from us, and just everyone.

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Don't you guys get it?

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Oh, they do.

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At my bar and Daily Caller and everywhere?

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Once they get me, they're going to get you.

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Coward.

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And by the way, if I wanted to sell these guys, I would have done it a long time ago.

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What?

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I'm following this course to the end, and I'm proud of what I've done.

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I'm just ashamed that when push comes to shove down at the end of the line,

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people are playing it safe here.

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This is not the time to play it safe.

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Playing it safe is what leads you into total destruction.

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Debatably, the opposite is proving to be true for you.

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Actually, in a certain sense, I agree with him.

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I don't.

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Like, they should be...

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Like, those idiots should be backing Alex because he's right.

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No, he's not.

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Because if they do get Alex Jones, they can go for...

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What is Breitbart and the Daily Caller but Alex Jones?

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Breitbart's changed.

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It's the same fucking bullshit.

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Breitbart's changed considerably.

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I don't care if they've changed.

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If you're going to get Alex Jones for the time period where he was the bitch that he is,

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then you get Daily Caller up with that.

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No, I disagree.

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Here's the real issue, because you have to take...

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In the same way that I proposed that thought experiment where we looked at Alex Jones's pivot

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outside of America for a second there, I want to take this to another...

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Like, what we need to do is we need to take politics and actual rhetoric kind of out of it.

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What we have is a bunch of people who are running scams.

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They're running various cons to a certain extent.

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You have Drudge Report, Daily Caller, Breitbart, InfoWars.

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They're all running cons of different description.

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Most of it is about clickbait.

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Most of it is about driving traffic.

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With Alex, for a long time, it was about selling gold for Ted Anderson.

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And then it became selling weirdo supplements.

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For Breitbart, ad revenue was certainly very high in terms of ads they could sell.

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Same thing with Daily Caller.

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A lot of these publications aren't really interested in publishing real shit.

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They're about a scam.

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They're running a scam.

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And all of them know it.

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They all know it.

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They should.

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And so when one of them gets put in the hopper,

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they know that the other person knows that they're running a scam.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like, if you and I were both guys who are running online scams,

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and because of your behavior, you were getting investigated for something,

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I would also back off from you because I don't want my scam to blow up.

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Right.

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And it's not going to.

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This isn't going to spill over into all of conservative media.

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Look, there's something about scammers that I do believe in America,

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and that is scammers all hang together or they all hang separately.

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That's not true at all.

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The ones who survive are the ones who get the fuck away from the heat.

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Yeah, that's definitely true.

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You're right.

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The ones who lay low and are like, let's wait for this to blow over.

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We can restart our scam.

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I agree with you, which is one of the big problems with America.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But it's just too hard.

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There's too much to get into.

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There's investigations of these people.

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It would be a resource suck, you know, in terms of.

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Yeah, it's a necessary one.

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Yeah, I agree.

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That would be that would improve the lives of everyone.

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I agree to a certain extent.

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We're not the feds, but I think I'm doing that with Alex.

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Yeah.

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Getting some real interesting results from 2009.

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But you fuckers don't want to hear it.

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Oh, Dan, Dan.

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Now you're being petty towards our listeners.

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I am being petty.

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You can be petty towards Alex all you want.

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Give me your 14 months all day.

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Anyway, Alex is manly and he wants to talk about it in this next clip.

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That makes sense.

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Now is the right time to say that.

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And then we get to the end of this clip and he says something very weird that I think

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indicates that he's stupid.

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And I can't believe how weak the globalist are.

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That I'm one of their biggest threats.

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And that.

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I'm.

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The focused, dedicated, strong, like the North Star rock.

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I thought other men were like me.

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But, you know, they really weren't actually.

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I remember growing up, even the biggest bully starts some fight because they weighed 100

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more pounds of evil and their head was in the concrete.

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They weren't laughing anymore.

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By the way, the FBI and all these other cowards know the truth.

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They got my whole background.

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They know I don't talk crap.

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They know I don't write checks.

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I can't cash.

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I just know this.

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If I'm the last man standing, so be it.

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I think our boy Hamdi Ulukaya would disagree.

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Gave into the system.

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So be it.

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Because out of what we do here, just like the Alamo in 1836, will come the example to

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others that actually start acting like men.

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They were the bad guys.

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The average American out there is an incredibly strong person, whether they be old, young,

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black, white, male, female, you name it.

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They want liberty.

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They want strength.

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They're ready to stand up.

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But it's all the so-called smart people.

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Oh, that sign on to all this cowardice.

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Make me sick.

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So let me just say this.

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Meddling kids, pause, pause, still pausing, pausing the globalist.

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There we go.

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Use modern society and its complexity to con people.

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You know what?

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The globalist couldn't trick you if you were like, you have a potato, I have a peach.

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Let's trade.

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They couldn't fucking taunt us that everything was just resource-based barter.

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I understand what he's saying, but what he's kind of saying is...

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They're doing what I'm doing.

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No, I don't think that's the case because I don't think anyone's manipulating because

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of complexity.

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No, but that's what he's doing.

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I think what Alex is saying is, man, I can't figure out the world.

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Well, that's actually a really good point because what I'm hearing throughout this entire

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thing is that Alex is confused.

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He's lost.

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Yeah, all of these long pauses are him being like, I really can't figure out this game,

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and usually I can figure out a game.

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Well, I think there's a piece of that, and I think that's because back to the wall, he

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doesn't have anything.

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You know, like in terms of his worldview and all this.

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Right, right, right.

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He can rattle off subsections and article headlines and stuff all day.

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But when it comes to exhibits, he doesn't really have any.

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Well, when it comes to like if Alex had to prove his case, like let's say in a court,

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he knows he can't do it.

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Yeah.

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And he knows that probably because he's had to do some Dark Soul searching lately, but...

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You would at least hope.

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So there's a piece of that where he's like, all my flowery language is all for naught.

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There's a part of that I think that's in there.

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And then there's another part that I think I have a thesis, and I think Alex is about

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to sell out.

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How so?

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Which direction are we going?

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I want to wait till a little bit later to explain my theory.

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You teasing son of a bitch.

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Because there's a clip that'll help make my point.

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You teasing bullshitter.

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I think Alex is getting ready to jump off the...

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Maybe even cash out, quite frankly.

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Oh, like for real.

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Well, I don't...

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Like call it a fucking night.

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I'm not entirely sure, and we've made so many stupid predictions in the past, but if we

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are just going by his rhetoric, and that's why I have to wait for a later clip to really

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spell this out.

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But I think there's a part of him that realizes like, I've kind of hit the natural conclusion

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of where this is going to go.

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I can keep saying that Trump is rolling up pedophile networks and destroying the globalists

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and he can keep saying he's a globalist and a nationalist and that he wants to take the

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guns early and he can keep attacking people when I say that it's no big deal that he doesn't.

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He's like, I can't push this much further.

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I've kind of come to the end of it.

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Yeah.

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And so I think there's a bit of it in this special report.

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I'm going to need that clip because right now his bullheadedness suggests that he's

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going to flame out the way that he's supposed to, which is in a pile of ignominy.

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We'll get to it in about five clips.

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But for now, Alex explains in this next clip how he's super honorable.

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Because they're scum.

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Real quick, I want to say that this also feeds into my theory that he keeps talking about

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how he's the last man and he's honorable and all this stuff.

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Right.

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And I think that's the part of the like the buildup to the prestige to a certain extent.

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Okay.

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He's got a John Wayne at that.

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He's got to go John Wayne and the Searchers and just like walk away from the whole thing.

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He's building his sacrifice.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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All right.

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They're the only people that will occupy that zone of corruption.

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And so that zone of corruption of dishonorable people is able to siphon off of the largess

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of humanity and build a huge strata.

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Also, if this doesn't make sense, don't worry.

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It doesn't.

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Of really bad, wicked, psychotic, sociopathic, sadistic people who then start building new

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systems to expand their control even greater, but they always look at the honorable, strong,

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truthful people and they feel defeated by it.

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So that's why they're always trying to extinguish freedom, even though they're the ones siphoning

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off the great largess and the great treasure that freedom creates.

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They are siphoning it off.

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They are stealing it.

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They are transferring it, but they still seek to extinguish the light because it reminds

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them of what horribly fallen cowardly people they are.

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Checks out.

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I chose my destiny.

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I chose.

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That's not how destiny works.

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To be honorable, to be strong, to be truthful.

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That means I don't make mistakes because that was the right path.

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That's where I felt like I was in God's grace.

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I can feel the spirit strong.

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I'm like a heat-seeking missile going after these people because I'm really a heat-seeking

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missile going after God, going towards that spirit.

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And I'm going to blow his ass up.

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The whole universe opens up.

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I just want to be with God.

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It doesn't mean my flesh is weaker.

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I still want to be with God.

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And they know that, folks.

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They know.

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That's why they tell you I'm a liar or I'm corrupt or all this crap.

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Because they know.

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They know.

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They know.

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So, boy, howdy, Dan.

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This is a defeated man kind of presenting himself a little bit like I tried to be good

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I chose my destiny and I chose to be honorable.

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All that's past tense stuff.

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But that's why they're going to paint me as a villain.

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Because he knows.

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He knows very well on some level that once they start really releasing information that

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they have on Roger Stone, it all leads to info wars.

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Yeah.

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And not that Alex is in cahoots with Russia or anything like that, but really problematic,

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difficult questions to answer about what were you doing?

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Again, a very short FBI deposition.

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Right.

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So what were you up to?

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Oh, I did all that shit.

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Wait, no, I was asking you just a very simple question.

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Whatever it is you think I did, I totally did it.

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In what plausible kind of reality were you unaware of what was going on?

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I had no idea.

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You just said that you did it all.

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But I didn't know.

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Right.

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Hey, come on.

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So I think that he's aware of that.

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And now that, like, back when it was like Roger Stone got taken in for questioning that,

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like, wasn't on the record and wasn't under oath, like, you can spin that and be like,

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I told them to stick it up their asses or whatever.

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Like ISIS and Trump.

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You can play tough with that.

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But once the aides start getting subpoenaed and once, like, this thread is getting pulled,

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the sweater is coming undone.

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You know, like, it's going to do.

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We're in reserve territory.

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Yeah.

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And so...

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Again, the fact that Stone is still in this country boggles my mind.

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Again, I think it's because he cut a deal.

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Yeah.

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But either way, at whatever rate, which is what I'm going to try and say instead of be

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that as it may from now on.

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Nice.

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I like it.

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At any rate, Alex, this whole time has been saying that he's going to get to his message

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to Mueller.

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He's going to give him a WWE-style promo.

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Going to give him a talking to.

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You cannot imagine what he's going to accuse Mueller of doing in this next clip.

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Ooh, OK.

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The FBI...

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BC-ality?

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Nope.

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Aw.

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...trying to set me up, the FBI, over time, working on trying to find something wrong

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that I've done.

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Co-Intel pro?

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My message is this to you.

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I'm not afraid.

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I'm not in a gang like you.

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I'm not trying to join the system.

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The intimidation, the threats, all the stuff that's come the last 20-plus years has only

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made me a stronger advocate of freedom and has only confirmed what I already know.

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But my message is this to Robert Mueller.

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Robert, I know what you did in Vietnam.

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What's up?

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OK.

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And I know...

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Real quick, because you said, what's up, over it.

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Sorry.

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He did just say, I know what you did in Vietnam.

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Wait, what?

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But he doesn't...

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Because it doesn't clarify.

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What did Robert do in Vietnam?

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I think this is Corsi's influence because, you know, he did the Swift boat shit.

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Right.

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I think he's probably, like, trying to be like, he also did bad shit in Vietnam.

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Oh, OK.

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And guess what?

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Everyone in Amer...

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Everyone...

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Everybody in America did bad shit in Vietnam.

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No, that's not true.

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And I hate to paint all of the soldiers that were there as doing bad things, but the mission

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was bad.

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And a lot of people did a lot of really fucked up stuff.

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So the blame goes a lot of directions.

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And also, let's be super clear.

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You can't just say that.

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You need to say what you're talking about.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's probably a smart idea.

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Like, when I say I didn't want Haspel as the director of the CIA, I'm going to say that

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because she tortured people personally and she is a fucking liar who covered it up.

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And I don't give a fuck what happens beyond that.

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She tortured people.

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That's disqualified.

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She let it up.

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No, no.

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And the answer is no.

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The answer is no.

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Yeah.

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And I will tell you why.

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Because of the fucked up shit she did in the Iraq war.

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Now, the equivalent for Alex would be like, I don't like her because of what she did in

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the war.

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Yeah.

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What do you mean?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You just said, I know what you did in Vietnam, Robert Mueller.

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Doesn't mean anything.

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You were recruited by another agency.

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And I also know...

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Recruited by another agency?

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I know that John P. O'Neill was recruited by the CIA as well.

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And I understand that O'Neill was brought in on the plan to blow up the World Trade

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Centers.

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Okay.

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And work with Saudi Arabia to do it.

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All right.

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And I know he even gave speeches in England, shortly before he died as the head of security

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for the World Trade Center.

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He died on 9-11.

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I know you were involved in the groups and the teams that destroyed the World Trade Center

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and killed John P. O'Neill, former head of counterterrorism for the FBI.

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I know you're a killer.

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I know you were part of the teams that killed him that day and threw him into the wreckage.

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Okay.

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I also know that Bruce Edwards Ivins was the third Patsy.

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One is known, the other not, the third known.

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And I remember in local news, he was grabbed and taken to the hospital and then forcibly

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fed Tylenol till he died.

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I noticed you guys had that expunged off the internet.

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So listen.

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Wait, what?

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If you kill an army scientist and oversee it, you should be head of the CIA.

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And if you'll kill the head of counterterrorism at the FBI for what you do, believe me, I

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know you're a murderer.

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I know you're a cold blooded killer.

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And I watch all these demons and sycophants worship you because they worship the dark

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altar of evil.

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But I don't worship that altar.

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Cool.

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Which one?

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So John P. O'Neill.

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There's a lot of dark altars of evil out there.

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John P. O'Neill, he was a counterterrorism expert.

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So if I understand correctly, before we go any further, yeah, Mueller did 9-11.

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That's what he's saying.

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That's what he's saying.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So the 23 unreleased pages were all like, oh, Mueller did that shit.

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It was all Mueller's idea.

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Saudi Arabia, clean bill of health.

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Mueller.

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No, he said that he was working on it with that, but that was all Mueller's idea.

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Mueller helped put the explosives in and what have you.

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Right.

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That's what he said.

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Wait.

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So his 9-11 truther isn't even just that Saudi Arabia was working with the government.

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It's that Saudi Arabia was also part of the plot to put explosives in there.

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I thought it was Bush's idea.

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Who fucking knows?

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This is all nonsense.

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Anyway, John P. O'Neill is a guy who was a counterterrorism expert and he was in line

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for some jobs.

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And in early 2001, he was recommended to be the national coordinator for security, infrastructure

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protection and counter-terrorism after Richard A. Clarke was going to move on and he recommended

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John P. O'Neill for that position.

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John P. O'Neill is not thrilled with it because the salary wasn't to his liking and around

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the same time, it became-

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Man, he should unionize.

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It became known that the New York Times had a scoop on him about how a little over a year

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earlier he had a briefcase stolen.

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And caused 9-11.

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No.

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But the briefcase did include classified documents and stuff like that.

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And what it appears to be is that he was the victim of a theft.

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But the story doesn't look good in terms of you keeping secure information or whatever.

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And in the-

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It's borderline, you left classified documents in the taxi cab, so maybe we don't trust you

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anymore.

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But in the fallout of it being known that this story was going to come out, he decided

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to retire and take a lucrative position that may or may not have been hooked up for him

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by Rudy Giuliani as the head of security-

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Great, great.

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They're always in the fucking game.

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They're always in the fucking mix.

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He became the head of security at the World Trade Center on August 23rd, 2001, the salary

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of like $300,000 a year, I believe.

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That was the-

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Great.

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And he considered it retirement.

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He just thought it was like, well, I'm done with the counter-terrorism stuff and now I'm

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here.

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Then of course 9-11 happened and he died in the attacks.

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But the conspiracy world has weaved all kinds of compelling narratives about- because he

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did research the initial 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and the USS Cole bombing,

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he was someone who did have expertise to a certain extent on Al-Qaeda.

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He was the inside man who knew how to blow up the World Trade Center.

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No.

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He was the guy who was like, here's how you do it.

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Alex is suggesting he's the one who wasn't on board and so they put him in the tower.

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That doesn't make sense.

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He worked there for a month, three weeks before.

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Why would he go to work?

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That's why they put him in the tower.

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Right.

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It's nonsense.

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But it's not as big of nonsense-

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It's a classic double cross.

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It's not as big of nonsense as Bruce Edward Ivins.

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Okay.

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Bruce Edwards Ivins.

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Is actually Robert Miller.

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Do you know who that is at all?

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No.

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Um, he's the guy who was the anthrax mailer in 2001.

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What?

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A week after 9-11, a bunch of people, including Tom Brokaw, Senator Daschle, and Patrick Leahy-

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Yeah, no, I remember that.

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They got letters that had anthrax spores in them and the Department of Justice put out

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a long 90 page document explaining why it was him and boy, it's compelling.

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It was him?

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It's convincing.

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It's probably him.

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So I want to tell you a little about this.

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So the anthrax mailer killed five people and injured 17 in a campaign that started a week

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after 9-11 and ended a couple months later.

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Some of the notes that were sent that had anthrax in them, the one that was sent to

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Tom Brokaw said in all capital letters, this is next.

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You always know it's important when you got all caps.

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This is next.

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Take penicillin now.

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Death to America.

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Death to Israel.

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Allah is great.

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In the letters that he sent to Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy, they said, you cannot stop

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us.

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We have anthrax.

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You die now.

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Are you afraid?

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Death to America.

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Death to Israel.

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Allah is great.

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So initially, Bruce Edwards Ivins was involved in the investigation of the letters because

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he was one of the world's foremost experts on cultivating and producing anthrax.

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Wait, hold up.

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He actually was, he was brought in to investigate the letters of anthrax that he sent.

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Well, at the time-

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That is some fucking Dexter shit right there.

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At the time, no one had any sense that he had done it.

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Well, it seems like now it's an obvious thing in retrospect.

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Who would be able to handle anthrax in a way such that he would be fine and that would

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kill his victim?

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Other people in the lab.

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Oh, the guy who has an expertise in using anthrax.

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But there's other people in the lab.

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There's a certain amount of plausible deniability that got worn down much like an old brake

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pad to the point where eventually in 2008, he couldn't keep up the ruse anymore and that's

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what ends up blowing up in his face.

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But there was enough-

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Wait, he got away with it for seven years?

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Yeah, until he committed suicide.

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He didn't, he got away with it the whole time and then only his guilt killed him?

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I'll explain why.

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So he was a senior researcher in biodefense at Fort Detrick in the U.S. Army Medical Research

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Institute on Infectious Diseases.

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What I always say is the best biodefense is the best biooffense.

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There's no doubt about it.

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At the time and for years, the FBI's investigation focused on Steven Hatfill, another researcher

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at USA MRID, who they had decided was a good suspect.

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The FBI surveilled him and raided his home in hazmat suits multiple times, so the whole

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nine yards of investigation.

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After years of coming up with nothing solid, Hatfill was exonerated and he sued the government

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in a case that was settled in 2008 with Hatfill being awarded $4.6 million.

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And he had Bruce Edward Ivins right next to him and he was wearing a shirt that said,

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the guy next to me murdered everybody.

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So in-

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I'm with murderer?

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In 2008, once Hatfill was exonerated, Ivins started demonstrating some erratic and suspicious

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behaviors.

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On March 28, 2008, police were dispatched to Ivins' home where they found him unconscious

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and took him to the hospital.

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In June of that year, he was involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital having

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shown a pattern of suicidal ideation.

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In July, he was informed that he would be prosecuted for the anthrax attacks and according

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to his report, no one- I couldn't find this from any government source, but he had told

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other people that he was facing the death penalty for it.

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And so that was the mindset he was in.

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On July 29th, he was found unconscious in his home and had been taking two bottles of

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Tylenol PM, which they have receipts for that he had bought right before.

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He was taken to the hospital where he would die from liver and kidney failure after his

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family decided not to put him on a transplant list because his family decided-

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Nah, dude, you're the anthrax murderer.

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So the FBI is-

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Also, going to be honest, two bottles of Tylenol PM, that's a weak murder.

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That's a weak-

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That's a weak way to kill yourself.

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That's why he didn't die immediately.

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As a man who's fixated on killing himself, two bottles of Tylenol PM never went into

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the equation because you're going to throw it up, man.

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That's too many.

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But if you keep it down, you will die from liver and kidney failure.

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Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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Then that's what he did.

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But not quick enough.

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Right, but there-

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You don't want to take forever.

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The odds of it being successful are better than a lot of other methods other than straight

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up gun to the head.

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You know what?

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I probably researched it more than I did.

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Probably.

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He's a biologist.

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So anyway, the evidence against him-

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Why didn't he just take anthrax, for God's sakes?

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Good question.

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Well, because he didn't have access to it anymore in 2008.

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That's fair.

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That's a fair point.

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He had his access stripped away.

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So the evidence against him is really convincing.

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So I took all of this from the Department of Justice report.

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You can find it.

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It's online.

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The spores that were sent in the mail were of a strain called RMR-1029, which is a strain

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that he was in exclusive control over in his USA MRI ID lab.

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Other people had-

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That seems pretty much open and closed right there.

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Other people had access to it, but they've all been excluded and ruled out.

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And many of the people interviewed were like, there's no way we could have gotten access

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to it without him being involved.

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Now even more damning, in the months where the mailings were happening, Ivan started

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to work suspiciously high amounts of overtime, specifically in times when he would be alone

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in the lab.

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From January 2001 to July 2001, he worked a total of 8 hours and 48 minutes in the lab

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after hours.

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In August, he worked 11 hours and 15 minutes.

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In September, 31 hours and 28 minutes.

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Gotta get that overtime pay, baby.

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In October, 16 hours and 13 minutes.

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In November, 6 hours and 20 minutes.

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The pattern is of increased time alone in the lab when the attacks were happening, then

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a scaling back to normal after.

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Now keep in mind, he would have had to sign in to the lab.

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There are electronic access stamps of when he was in there.

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And to get into a lab that's dealing with anthrax, you have to take off your clothes

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and put on a special suit to go inside, and then afterwards take a shower and get into

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your normal clothes.

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Right.

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It's a cumbersome affair.

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The idea that he's going there after hours is insane.

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Ivan's had no explanation for why he was working so much after hours, and there was no special

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project happening.

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Gotta get that overtime, baby.

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There was no special project happening that could explain it.

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He was just there for whatever.

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I got some gambling debts.

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The reason that this is important is that in order to make anthrax usable, it has to

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be dried.

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This is from the DOJ report.

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I think that is one of the problems with having such a complicated way of murdering people

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that limits the suspects so narrowly as to implicate you and like eight other guys.

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From the DOJ report, quote, drying the spores likely would have attracted attention unless

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the perpetrator accessed the equipment at night.

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Drying anthrax spores requires either a sophisticated drying machine called a lyophizer, a speedvac,

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or a great deal of time and space to let the spores air dry.

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Like a bathtub.

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That is to allow the water to evaporate in the lab.

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Because drying anthrax is expressly forbidden by various treaties, overt use of any of these

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methods, if noticed, would raise considerable alarm and scrutiny.

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So of course you have to do it after hours.

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And guess what?

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They happen to have a lyophaser, the equipment that you need to dry anthrax, at that lab

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that was requisitioned by Ivans.

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In the paperwork says property of Bruce Ivans.

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That's such a dude way to murder things, too.

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Like, it's that old joke about how men always wind up cheating on their spouses with, like,

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the girl next door, and women only cheat, like, on the road because they're not stupid.

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Like he was like, well, I want to murder a lot of people, but I also want to make sure

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it's the only person that you can look to is me.

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But he, we'll get to how he tried to throw people off the trail later.

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So it's believed that his motive was that funding and approval for his life's work that

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was out...

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Did he wear, like, a complicated costume and then scare children away from his lab?

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Nope, but his emails got left behind, let's say.

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So his life's work was the development of an anthrax vaccine, and the funding and approval

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for this was in jeopardy.

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And the only...

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He's a supervillain.

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This is a supervillain story.

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Exactly.

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This is a supervillain origin story.

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Totally.

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And the only way to change things, he believed, was that for him to be able to continue his

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work was if something major happened to scare people about anthrax.

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Interestingly, this is exactly what happened after the anthrax attacks.

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They got approval and the funding that they needed to continue their research.

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So it worked.

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This is a Spider-Man villain!

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It is.

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It is.

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This is crazy!

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But he's also a lunatic.

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Yeah, well, fucking obviously.

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Did he fall into a vat of anthrax and then become 98% anthrax or something like that?

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Bruce Ivins is a white terrorist, and in the vein of all white terrorists, there's a very

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strong history of...

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Domestic violence.

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Not so much domestic violence in this case, but domestic harassment.

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Okay.

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So Ivins was obsessed with two female colleagues at the point when this report was written.

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Oh, for fuck's sake.

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Two former colleagues.

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And in the period leading up to the anthrax attacks, he sent two of them disturbing emails

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about his mental health struggles.

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He admitted to stealing one of their email passwords and reading their emails.

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He also sent...

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He really wants to get caught at stuff.

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He also sent this poem that appears to be an admission of schizophrenic tendencies to

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one of them.

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I'm gonna read this poem to you.

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Oh, that sounds nice.

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I made up some poems about having two people in one, me and the person in my dreams.

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Now here's where the poem begins.

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Oh, I was gonna say, that's not a good start for your poem.

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I'm a little dream self, short and stout.

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That's also not a good start for your poem.

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I'm the other half of Bruce when he lets me out.

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When I get all steamed up, I don't pout.

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I push Bruce aside, then I'm free to run about.

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Hickory dickory dock, Doc Bruce ran up the clock.

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But something happened in a very strange rhythm.

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His other self went and exchanged places with him.

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So now, please guess who is conversing with you.

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Hickory dickory dock, Bruce and this other guy, sitting by some trees, exchanging personalities.

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It's like having two in one.

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Actually it's rather fun, exclamation point.

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Well that was the worst bit Andrew Dice ever did.

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Right.

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That was the worst that Clay has ever done.

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So he's sending all these harassing, really kind of scary emails to them.

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There's a lot...

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That's a really scary email.

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There's a lot more...

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I do not want to receive that email.

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There's a lot more where he's trying to play the two against each other and like telling

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them that they're the only people who really know him.

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It's really fucked up stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so also, when he was hospitalized, he ended up in group therapy.

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And in that time, he said some really fucked up things, ranging from threats to other people

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to basic admissions of guilt for having done the anthrax mailing.

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As described in detail...

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Are you ready to share with the rest of the group?

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Not until I anthrax all of you.

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This is again from the DOJ report, quote, as described in detail in the mental health

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section supra, at a group's therapy session on July 9th, 2008, Dr. Ivins made a number

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of statements regarding the anthrax investigation and noted that he had a detailed plan involving

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a gun from his son and a bulletproof vest to kill, quote, co-workers and others who

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had wronged him.

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When asked by other members of the group what he was concerned about if he was innocent,

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he reportedly just smiled.

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Statements that he made also indicated that he had lost time, quote, the only reason I

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remember some of this stuff, it's because there's like a clue the next day.

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Like there's an email or, you know, when you're when you're in bed and you're like, you're

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like this, you know, that's that's not really fun.

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It's like, oh, shit, did I drive somewhere last night?

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So he has a bunch of things, statements that he's made about like waking up in his clothes

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and not knowing what he did the night before or seeing emails that he'd sent.

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So he's just really fucked up.

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You know, I intelligence do now.

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It's like there's a part of me that now is like maybe if you work with anthrax every

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day of your life, your your brain's going to go fucked up, you know, the rest of the

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people in his lab didn't.

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That's a good point.

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Never mind.

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So retracted on statement, retracted, although he was working overtime and they weren't so

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bad.

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But he was he was murdering people concurrently, yes.

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In November 2007, he sent himself a long 12 point memo trying to craft an explanation

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for how the two former female co-workers he was obsessed with were probably the ones who

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did the anthrax attack.

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They had said, hey, Bruce, it's Bruce, how you been?

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It's good to talk to you.

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Here's a poem.

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Now we got to figure this shit out.

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So they had since stopped working with him and he felt they had abandoned him when with

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Hatfill being cleared of charges.

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He knew he needed to shift the narrative and make someone else look suspicious to keep

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eyes off him.

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And it's a complete mess.

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If you read those 12 points, they do not amount to anything.

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Finally.

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Bruce Ivan said a rich tradition of taking on aliases to send people things through the

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mail.

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There it is.

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That's the winner right there.

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He had sent one of his female co-workers a package ostensibly from Mia Hamm, which contained

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a soccer jersey from Mia Hamm, which had a soccer jersey in it.

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He also sent one of them.

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Look, I'm going to be honest.

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Shoot your shot, dude.

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If you're going, at least he goes hard, you know, he didn't, he didn't pick anybody obscure.

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He picked the most famous female soccer player at the time.

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Love it.

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He also sent one of them a box of Yankees memorabilia in a package marked from Derek

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Jeter.

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So, all right.

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All right.

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All right.

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This is a man who knows what's going on.

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So this guy, I mean, at least he supports women's sports as well.

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This is a title nine supporter.

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My friend.

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If you look at the big picture where you come away with very clearly is a guy who committed

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suicide because the jig was up and he was a tortured, mentally ill person and that there's

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a tragedy there, but you know, you cross the borderline and you start sending news organizations

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and politicians anthrax, uh, you've kind of, you didn't even get the good ones.

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Yeah.

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You've kind of crossed the Rubicon.

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You got all the bad ones.

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So Alex is saying that Mueller, first of all, did nine 11, uh, killed John P, uh, P O'Neill

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and killed Barry Ivan or Bruce Ivins in order to cover up that he was the one who did.

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And all anthraxing, all of it is bullshit.

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Oh yeah, such bullshit.

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This is exactly like when we were talking about the madam, uh, all those people that

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Alex said were murdered in the episode we did about Andrew Breitbart.

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It's all just like, yep.

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He's just hoping that no one actually reads stuff and is like, eh, this guy did it.

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Right, right, right.

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So anyway, let's not get off focus.

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This is really about how Hillary is ugly.

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And to Hillary, that sounds true.

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You are so demonically ugly.

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You're so twisted.

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You are such a caricature of a witch and all your crimes.

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Anyway, I don't want to listen to the rest of this.

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He just nope.

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At the end of this clip, he just prays for God's justice to come down on Mueller and

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what have you.

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And whatever.

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I'm fine with that.

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So in this next clip, Alex says something that I'm by no means is Mueller's been in

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the FBI for long enough to have committed all the crimes.

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I'm fine with that.

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Whatever.

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So in this next clip, Alex says something that I'm pretty excited about.

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And so, I'm all in.

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I think that that is an announcement that Alex Jones is going to be wrestling at the

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Bullet Club show taking place here in Chicago.

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Alex is all in.

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Very exciting.

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This card is stacked.

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Who's he wrestling?

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Is he wrestling Rey Mysterio?

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Oh my God.

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What a match.

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I don't think he will.

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What a match.

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I don't think he will.

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Is he wrestling Mysterio Jr.?

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I'm not going to lie to you.

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I don't think it's going to happen.

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I don't think it will.

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I'd like to see Alex get super kicked.

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I would.

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Anyway, that's not what he's saying.

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I'd be in on that.

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I just get really excited about Alex just being, I'm all in.

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I just trust God completely.

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I'm almost guilty, but it's just the spirit's so strong.

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I don't even pray to God to protect my children because God's going to do what God's going

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to do.

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Kids are on your own.

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I'm all in.

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That's what it means.

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I'm all in.

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He's all in.

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There's no provisos.

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I'm going to be at Money in the Bank.

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There's no backstops.

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There's no fine print with me, man.

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I'm all in.

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He's all in.

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I'm a thousand percent on the dotted line with Jesus Christ against you people.

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And that's it.

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And that, and you know, that's why Hillary calls me a darkheart.

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Alex Jones versus Rey Mysterio in a Soros mask.

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All right.

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All right.

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Because folks, I love God.

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I love justice.

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I love children.

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Don't think you do.

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I love little puppy dogs.

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Except not.

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I really don't think you do.

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I love the stars at night.

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I love happiness.

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And that's why I won't sit here and watch a bunch of murderous monsters sit there and

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devour this country and launch the Arab Spring and murder millions of innocent people, put

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radical Islam in charge all of the Middle East.

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Get back to the stars at night.

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The Arab invasion of Europe.

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All right.

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So you're just scared about Muslims moving in.

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Yeah.

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So anyway.

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I just like him tossing in, I love the stars at night.

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I'm like you, humans.

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I can relate to you on human level, humans.

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I take, I take or leave the stars at night.

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Whatever.

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I've seen stars.

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So I mean, you know, Alex is all in, whatever.

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This is nothing.

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I mean, this is an episode of nothing.

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Like he's saying nothing.

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This is all stuff he said before.

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Like, I will go to the bitter end, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

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But in this next clip, we get to what my theory that I was saying before, that I think Alex

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gives an indication in this next clip that he's getting ready to completely change himself.

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I'm damn proud to be in this position and I'm willing to take whatever licks I get.

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And if down the road they grab me and electro shock me and roll me out as a gibbering idiot,

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that's not me.

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My soul's gone.

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I think that's preemptive.

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I don't think he's gonna come out like fucking McMurtry in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

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But I think that like the idea that he repackages himself, again, much like pro wrestling, shifts

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the narratives or whatever.

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He can then be like, he could salvage something and people will forget that, hey, you know.

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I'm just imagining Rob Do as Nurse Ratchet wearing that nurse dress.

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I can see that.

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That's what I can think of right now.

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And I admit this theory is stupid.

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I'm just trying to find something that is like, oh, that's a weird bit of dialogue.

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That's a weird piece of rhetoric.

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But I think that this idea of like if I trot out and I'm completely different, listen to

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the rest of it first.

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Don't let them ever demoralize you by telling them that I've turned against you or that

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I'm a liar or I'm not real or I'm an actor.

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That's why they put all that out because they have to attack the real thing.

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Your lawyer put that out.

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But I want Robert Mueller to know something.

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You are the head of the deep state now.

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He's the head of the deep state now.

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Right.

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But Alex is like, don't let anyone ever tell you that I turned my back on you.

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If I come out and I sound completely different, it's because they've changed me.

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Which is in some way, he's launching a possibility for him to like get a job at Fox News or something

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like that.

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I'm going to disagree with you on that.

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I am too.

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I just I'm floating it as a possibility because I need something to keep me interested in

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this bullshit.

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Modern day is just a mess.

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But like the idea that maybe he's like, you know, like this is foreshadowing.

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I'd be fine.

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Kind of fun.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, Mueller's the head of the deep state.

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Yeah.

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It was McCain.

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It was McCain.

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What?

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And it was Soros.

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He was the head of the deep state.

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Soros.

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Well, then I'm not going to say you've committed the ultimate sin and it's too late for you

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to accept Christ.

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Sure.

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But you will be destroyed.

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And you know it deep down.

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You are going to be destroyed for your crimes.

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And you have gone across that line.

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You have crossed that Rubicon.

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You have crossed over.

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Sure.

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So you better get your soul ready to meet your maker.

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Because you're an old man now, 10 years is like five seconds.

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Okay.

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And when you die and your family buries you, you're going to be known as a failure and

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as a traitor and as an enemy of humanity, an enemy of truth.

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If I was you, I'd be getting yourself straight with God.

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You know, 1000% I'm not connected to Russians.

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You are.

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And the communist Chinese, your whole plan to sell this country out.

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Again, Alex admitted on air that he's talked to Russian intelligence agents.

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Was that Splinter's speech at the end of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2?

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Yeah, I think it was.

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For when you die, you die without honor, I believe.

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Alex made a funny.

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I mean, this is...

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By the way, I don't know if you've ever read the Bible, Alex, but too late for you to accept

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Christ is very much not what Christ said.

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Christ was very much on the side of like, it's never too late.

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Remember that guy who I was dying with, who committed all of the worst crimes and I was

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like, you're cool, dude.

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You remember how it wasn't too late for that fucking guy?

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Guess what?

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That's my whole gig.

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It's kind of the point.

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It's the whole thing.

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Yeah, but Alex does at least say, I don't know if you've gone too far.

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But he is, in that same sense, advocating that there is a point.

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It's too late for you to accept Christ.

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No, he said maybe it's not.

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But that does imply that there is a point where it's too late.

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But we have one more clip here, and so we've established that Robert Mueller did 9-11.

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He did.

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He put explosives in the building.

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What did he do in Vietnam with the Beatle people?

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Well, who knows?

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But then, Alex accuses him of something else here in this next clip, and then the end of

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this is pretty wild.

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Where do you go after you did 9-11?

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Mueller ran the whole operation, the explosives, everything.

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And I know the names of the feds, hell, even WorldNetDaily got their receipts.

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They were in Oklahoma City, said they were in Dallas.

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They weren't there to be the eyewitnesses, the cops, everybody, the cops you didn't kill.

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Well, that's it for this live transmission.

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That's it, got to go to a wedding.

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That's crazy.

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That's not how you can, you don't get to just do that.

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So hey.

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You don't get to just do that.

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Robert Mueller.

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That's against the rules.

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Mueller, yeah.

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There are rules.

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Mueller, you also did Oklahoma City.

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Well, looks like- Well, that's my time.

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All righty, guys, I'm going to get out of here.

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Open bar is about to start.

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Listen, it's been a- You've got to get over to my Korean adopted sister's wedding.

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You've been a great audience, ladies and gentlemen.

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Thank you so much for coming out.

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Tip your waitstaff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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All 500 of you that actually watch my live streams.

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Well, you caused 9-11 and I'm going to see you in hell.

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You also did Oklahoma City.

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I'm going to see you burned for the crime you committed in Vietnam, in Oklahoma City

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when you killed those cops, in 9-11 when you got John O'Neill.

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Well, that's about my time, so I'm going to get out of here, ladies.

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All right, all right.

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Well, it looks like we've made a little bit of ad revenue, pushed a couple products and

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everything is going smoothly.

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So fucking stupid.

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So just for comedy at the end of this, we're not going to listen to any more because he's

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pretty much done.

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I thought that was a sign-off.

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No, he does a little bit more and then Owen Troyer walks by and he does the Owen, Owen,

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Owen.

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Take over.

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And then it just gets really boring, so we're not going to listen to that, but that's the

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special report.

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I think that we've learned that Alex is probably reasonably afraid of the revelations that

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are coming with them looking at Roger Stone.

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I think that'll be interesting to see what happens with.

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Beyond that, I think that Alex - I mean, what we have to do is we have to really look

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at this.

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Everything is a lie.

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All of these stories are such lies.

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The idea that Bruce Ivins was murdered and they forced Tylenol down his mouth, in order

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to believe that, you have to believe that every other thing that Bruce Ivins did isn't

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real.

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Right.

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And that -

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Crisis actors.

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There's documents of that.

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Crisis actors.

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Everything is documented.

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Oh, yeah.

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There's emails, harassment that he gave to these other co-workers, the time stamps of

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him signing in and out of the lab during suspicious hours.

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You know what?

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That sounds like Mueller's doing.

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But it just - everything comes back to this.

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Everything is a lie, but it's a fucking appealing lie, and that's why people fall for it.

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Anyway, we're in the present.

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I don't know how much longer we're going to be doing present stuff, but enjoy it.

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I'm just - I - God, just watching Stone so nonchalantly be like, oh, I'm going to

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be indicted.

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And he even had that rat fucker smile on his face, too.

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I'm just like -

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He's known.

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This isn't news to him.

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Guys, I committed so many crimes.

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I can't wait to tell you all about that.

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I'm positive that, like, from 2016 on, he's known that there will be a day that is this.

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Oh, he's been having the ride of his life.

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Does he have cancer or something?

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Does he have some kind of like, you'll never catch me, motherfuckers, last ace in the hole?

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He's got to have something.

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I think some part of him knows that he can sell some people out.

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Okay.

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I think that's probably what you're replying to, the joie de vivre that's still in him

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is probably an awareness that he has another fish that he can throw in the barrel or whatever.

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So I would - given his history, given who he is as a person, I think that he knows he's

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safe because he's not the most important primary.

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So fucking insane.

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So anyway, this has been our show.

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If you like it, you can check out more at knowledgefight.com.

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Yeah, you can follow us on Twitter.

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You can go to our Facebook group.

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Yes.

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Also, sorry, I forgot to put that clip together again.

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We'll do it on the next episode.

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Oh, man, you're the worst.

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I am.

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I'm busy, man.

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I understand.

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Anyway, also we're on iTunes.

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Please rate, review, subscribe, all that good stuff.

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Yeah, do the whole thing.

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It's your turn.

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It is my turn and I think there's only one person to tell to go fuck themselves today

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and that's every single conservative in this fucking country can go fucking kill

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themselves.

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That is a wide swath.

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Yeah, all of them.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.