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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan!

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We are a couple dudes that like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan. Is there, uh, is there like a hook?

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Is there a reason you would listen to two yahoos talk about Alex Jones?

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Well there's a new hook.

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There's a new hook?!

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Well, I mean, we are stuck in the past.

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Did somebody cover, uh, the, uh, Blues Traveler song?

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No, there's not that. Uh, I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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Cause it seems like 311 would've done a cover of that song by now.

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I could see that.

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Yeah, right?

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Yeah, they're still around, they're still touring.

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Sure.

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Uh, I know a lot about Alex Jones, you don't.

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I don't know anything about Alex Jones.

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And it's turning out that now in this-

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I don't know anything about 311 either.

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There's a guy named Peanut in it?

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I wish I knew less about 311 now.

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Nick Hexum?

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Still going wrong.

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Another member of 311?

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Somehow getting worse.

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They had some great songs, man.

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Amber?

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It's a good song.

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It's not a good song.

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Nope.

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I do like a couple other songs, let's not get into it.

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I don't want to wreck my brain trying to come up with what 3-11 songs are okay.

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Jordan, so before, on our last episode I believe, we made the declaration that I'm just sticking in the past.

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Yeah.

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And so today we're going to be going over March 23rd, 2008, and I'll explain why there's a gap there since our last show covered the 18th.

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But before we do, I'd like to play an out of context drop from today's show.

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Okay.

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Okay, this is going to be a weird radio show today and you're not going to want to miss it.

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Alright.

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Selling it up top.

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Alright, alright.

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So one of the things that I'm learning that's very interesting is that in 2008, Alex Jones was doing a radio show.

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Right.

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It was not like...

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Like a regular radio show.

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It was not a production.

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Uh-uh.

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He didn't have a lot going for him and so like nowadays, whenever he wants a day off or something like that,

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or he wants to maybe do a half day, he'll have David Knight fill in or something like that.

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Back then, he couldn't do that.

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He doesn't have the cast of characters back then.

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No, so what he would do is he would replay interviews from a couple days previous and make it seem like it's live.

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Wait, he what?

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Yeah, because I was listening to...

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He didn't announce that...

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No.

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No, he just played the same interview over again.

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Because I got tricked.

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That's fantastic.

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Because I was listening to the 20th or something like that, March 20th, and Dr. Dean Adell comes back.

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And I'm like, oh yeah.

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Yeah, fuck yeah. Round two. Round two with Dean Adell. Hell yeah.

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I'm so pumped. This is going to be amazing.

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And they're like, this is the same interview. God damn it.

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So he does that a lot. There's a lot of rebroadcasting.

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And he replayed that interview?

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Which is even crazier.

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That's bananas.

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Yeah, but so there's that stuff. I'm listening to it and I'm like, I remember a bit of this.

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And so there's a couple days where it's just a no man's land of nothing.

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That's tough.

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So does he do live interstitials or is it the whole thing?

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Nope. I think it's the whole thing.

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The whole thing is just rebroadcast?

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Spliced together interviews from previous days.

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That's diabolical?

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Well, yeah. I think that's what a lot of radio shows do, though.

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But a lot of them will announce, like, I'm going to be off for a few days and this, you're the best of, or whatever.

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Right, Alex doesn't do that.

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No, he does not.

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Oh, speaking of the best of, I forgot, we've got to get to some shout outs.

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Oh yeah, yeah.

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Before we get to today's episode, I'd like to give a shout out to a couple of new donors. What's going on out there, Dave C.?

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much for joining up with the show.

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Thank you very much, Dave.

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Also, I'd like to give a shout out to a new foreign policy wonk. What's going on out there, Steve H.?

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Appreciate it so much.

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If you'd like to become a policy wonk and support the show, you can go to knowledgefight.com and click Sport the Show.

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All right, back to business. March.

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I want, can we commission, one, do we know where Dean Adel is now?

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Yeah, I think he's retired. And it's Dean, is the first name, Adel, E-D-E-L-L is the last name.

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So I looked that up.

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Okay.

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And he seems pretty cool, I don't know.

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Yeah, can we commission him? We can email him, right?

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Right.

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Okay, so we email him.

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I'm pretty sure he's alive, yes.

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We email him to call in and record him giving Steve Pachanik's speech.

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Ooh, that would be nice.

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See, that's what I want.

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Yeah, that would be all right.

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I want a whole, I want a whole, eventually, I want every character on Alex Jones' show to record those exact words.

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Just go home and tell your mother you're brilliant?

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Every single one of them.

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Wouldn't be bad.

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Oh yeah.

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So today, Jordan, we are getting a Sunday show, the 23rd of March, 2008.

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Right.

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And I think it's Easter.

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Okay.

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I think it, I think that he-

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Are the specials going on?

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No, because he doesn't, he's not selling products back then.

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Right, right, right.

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So he doesn't have the same salesman-y shit, which actually, I mean, it gives the show an entirely different feeling.

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Really?

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Like the fact that he's not throwing to commercial all the fucking time, it feels totally different.

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Okay.

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I can't-

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You're so excited.

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I am and I'm not, and we'll get into why as things go along, but it is exciting to me that this is something new.

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Right.

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In the sense that like-

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Considering we haven't had to deal with that for like four months.

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Because we've been going over the modern day stuff, you know, like I know everything about Alex Jones.

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You know nothing about him holds true, and it's kind of boring for me, listening to him being like,

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I know what he's doing, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Right.

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Now it's like, this is fresh for me.

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Right, right, right.

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I've got to figure out a new crazy.

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Fucking anything could happen.

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And he's a different kind of crazy, but anyway.

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Is it just him?

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Like he doesn't have co-hosts, he doesn't have Rob Doo hanging around in the studio?

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That's an interesting question.

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I mean, no.

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When does David Knight show up in all of this?

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I think David Knight might be around at this point, but just doing the nightly news.

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Okay.

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And I think Rob Doo is doing the nightly news back then as well.

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I'm not sure on the entire timeline.

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I know Paul Joseph Watson is around.

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Okay.

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Because he's referenced having him write articles.

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Okay.

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But I don't know if he's gotten him to be on-air talent yet.

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Okay, so this is, so the InfoWars.com is still around?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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ImprisonPlanet.com, all that stuff.

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I mean, most of the commercials, like I said on the last episode, are essentially just all for his documentaries.

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Okay.

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They're all just like, he plays the soundbite of George H.W. Bush saying, uh, a new world order.

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And it's like, ah, proof.

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Yep, well, sold me.

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Sure.

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Yeah, that's all I needed to hear.

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So let's get to this first clip and you'll see immediately why I think it's Easter.

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Okay.

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And also, I should say, I figured this out as the show went along.

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The audio quality is way worse on this Sunday show.

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And it turns out the reason for that is because he's broadcasting out of a different studio.

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Okay.

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And the normal studio, I think, has much better sound.

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Whereas this one-

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He's broadcasting from his Easter studio.

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This is the KLBJ Studios in Austin, Texas.

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After three days, he will emerge from that studio and return to his other studio.

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You're talking about a weekend?

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Yes, I guess so.

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Anyway, here's the first clip.

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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.

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Welcome and thank you for joining us.

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It is Ishtar Day when we worship Ishtar, the mother goddess of Babylon, and we simulate fertility.

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Love it.

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Through the rabbits.

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That's why Playboy symbol is a rabbit because rabbits are well known for their sexual stamina

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and how many cycles of young they can birth each year.

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This is still going.

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It's the terms like they're breeding like rabbits.

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That's why Hugh Hefner picked the rabbit as the symbol for his Playboy empire.

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And so, in the last 60 years, our children have been trained to not be Christian on this holiday.

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There it is.

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But for hundreds of years, it's been called Easter, the occult symbolism hidden in plain view,

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the Eastern worship of Ishtar, the mother goddess, fertility, the eggs, the rabbit.

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And it is a huge fertility ritual.

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We had the beginning of spring a couple days ago, and then we celebrate the high occult on Holy Day.

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He's explaining the most obvious things.

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Practiced by different occult branches all over the world, from the Aztecs to the Babylonians, of course, to the Druids.

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Still going.

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You know what he's doing?

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He's just a repeating zeitgeist.

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I know.

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I want to hear him explain more basic, well, and we get that, you know, banging like rabbits because rabbits have sex a lot, famously.

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Like, we get the phrase, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater because one time somebody threw a baby out with the bathwater.

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That's why Playboy probably has bunnies.

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I'm almost certain that's why.

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The worship of Ishtar.

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But that's not.

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The Babylonian goddess of rebirth and spring.

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That's not correct at all.

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Aren't we sure?

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That is not correct.

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Aren't we sure?

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At all.

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No, no, no, I'm pretty sure that's what Hugh Hefner was thinking.

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No.

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He was like, okay, first of all, it's not a cult.

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It can't be a cult.

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What do you mean, Playboy?

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I mean, well, no, that definitely is.

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Yeah, that seems like it probably was.

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Didn't, uh, didn't, uh, oh, fuck it.

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So, Easter in Latin and Greek is known as pasha, which comes from paska, from the Aramaic word.

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Or a cognate to the Hebrew name Pesach, which is, you know, Passover.

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Sure.

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But also, the word Easter doesn't come from Ishtar.

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It just sounds similar.

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It's a false cognate.

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This is something that's been debunked a whole bunch.

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The name Easter traces most likely.

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I didn't know that.

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I thought it was the same thing.

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Absolutely not.

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Fuck yes.

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That's awesome to learn.

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It's absolutely not.

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It's something that's very commonly thought, again, because it sounds similar.

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It sounds the same!

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Why wouldn't it be the same?

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Ishtar is a goddess of fertility and what have you, but also, in the same way that, like, Greek goddesses would have multiple purposes, she also is like a goddess of warfare, and the animal that she's associated with is a lion.

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Like, it's not a bunny or eggs at all.

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That's all just made up shit.

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Yeah.

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That's not true in the least.

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You know, like, Athena is associated strongly.

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So even when Alex is trying to give you a history, he's wrong about it.

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Yeah.

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Fantastic.

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Like, Athena, the one animal she's associated with is a fucking owl.

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Yeah.

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You know that.

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Yeah.

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It's consistent.

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It's a whole thing.

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And one animal that Ishtar is associated with is a fucking lion.

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Right.

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That's not a bunny rabbit.

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What is a lion but the bunny rabbit of the cat world?

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You might make a decent point.

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You don't.

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But the most accepted theory about the name of Easter is that it's derived from the name

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of an Old English goddess mentioned by the 7th to 8th century English monk Beatty, who

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wrote about an Old English month of Eostere, which is translated back then as Pashaal month,

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which goes to Passover.

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Right.

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And the Eostere month goes back to Ostara, the goddess Ostara, which is actually, I mean,

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it makes a whole lot more sense.

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The issue is like, okay, Alex, what he wants to say is there's pagan shit behind holidays.

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Right.

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And if he wanted to just say that, cool.

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Would have been great.

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But if he wants to, like, play this game, like, I know all this stuff.

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He was trying to be sarcastic about it, too.

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He was trying to, like, yeah.

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He's like, hey, you know what?

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I know all of this stuff, too, but you guys are actually hating on Christians.

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He comes off like a kid in high school who's like, Jesus isn't real.

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Wait, no, what?

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He's coming off as one of these guys in high school who's like, all you mainstream people

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are posers.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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There's some good pop, right?

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You dick.

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Sometimes the mainstream is great.

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But be that as it may, he's just wrong.

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A lot of bitterness in that little story, Dan.

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Yeah, a little bit.

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He's wrong.

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And he continues to be wrong in this next clip.

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OK.

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Now, again, I'm a Christian.

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And the kids have fun with the eggs.

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They do.

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The whole point is that I don't worship Ishtar because I'm conscious of it, and I realize

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what it is.

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But the globalists enjoy tricking you.

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They enjoy manipulating you.

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They enjoy having things hidden in plain view.

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But that's part of their aluminous religion is that they get more power out of things

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being in plain view, and you're still not seeing them.

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So that's all part of the basic craziness.

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But just look up the term Easter.

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I did.

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It's in your encyclopedia.

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The root from Ishtar, the goddess of fertility.

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And in springtime, all over the world, different cultures, they had different names for the

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goddess, but it was always the goddess, would engage in different sacrifices.

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Sometimes a goat, sometimes a ram, sometimes a bull, sometimes a horse.

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But more often than not, a child.

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You talked over the end there.

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Well, the end was obviously a child.

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We're going to get to a child.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, I mean, it is true that it does seem like throughout cultures there are, you know,

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like in Greek mythology, there's Demeter and Persephone, with the coming of spring being

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that Persephone is let out of Hades for a couple months to hang out with her mom.

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Yeah, but that's cool.

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Right.

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But I mean, there does seem to be a connection throughout old-timey cultures and the ideas

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of a goddess and spring.

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Right.

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Well, that's because it's cool that shit grows.

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And everybody, like if there's a god for everything, sooner or later you're going to be like, wait

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a second, this shit happens every year.

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I bet it's not because of the climate or whatever.

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It's because of gods.

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So you give them a name and then you get really bad ass myths.

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I want better myths.

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Okay.

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That's the problem with the monotheists.

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Their myths suck.

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Yeah, they're not great.

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Right?

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What do you, what do you, what do you, what do you get some side myths about like Daniel

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in the lion's den and David and what have you sucked?

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I don't know.

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King David murdered his best friend so he could fuck his wife.

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That's a shitty myth.

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That's a very modern myth.

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Seems right in line with our culture.

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Uh, I don't know, uh, Daniel and his buddies, me Shaq, no, it's me Shaq Taylor.

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I'm thinking of bed rack me.

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What's the shad rack me Shaq in a bed and it really caught up in me Shaq Taylor being

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one of them.

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Yeah.

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See, that sucks.

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But if me Shaq Taylor was one of them, better myth, better myth.

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Yeah.

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Way better beds.

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Yeah.

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But you get the, you get fucking the guy going down into Hades.

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He goes to grab the girl, but then there's six of the fucking pomegranate seed.

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It's like, that's a great fucking myth cause it doesn't make any goddamn sense.

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Right.

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And sure.

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Why not?

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That sounds true.

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It makes a lot of sense.

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Shit grows.

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Might as well be something to do with pomegranates and hell.

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Was that the note you took?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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I, if you want to look down at my notes, uh, it, I wrote down pomegranate and hell.

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Why not?

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Sure.

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Um, so Alex is, he's going hard on the Ishtar business right out of the gate.

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And uh, I wish, I wish that, um, he read anything because like he could have a, well, then we

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wouldn't have a show, Dan, but I mean, who knew that we were going to go back to 2008

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and start listening to this shit.

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But like he'd have a better argument to make if he did, do you know, like, cause the argument,

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the base of the argument, I mean, it's not that like a luminous globalist occultists

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are trying to trick your kids into something.

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Right.

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That's not good.

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That's not an argument that you could educate your audience on about the like sort of pagan

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and druidic origins of a lot of holidays.

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You could actually teach them something if you wanted to.

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Wouldn't be a bad idea.

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You have the starting point of education, Alex, and you're blowing it, you're just fucking

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blowing it.

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Right.

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Anyway, uh, he gets to a news story here pretty quick on the, on the show and uh, it's patently

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absurd.

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Uh, but a big security company is working with the airlines to make you fit a taser

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bracelet around your wrist.

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Everyone who gets on a plane will be fed up with a taser bracelet and zapped if they have

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their way and they said they'd done polling and the people want to be fitted with your

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taser bracelet.

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And again, this is about training you to be a slave.

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Give me your shoes bracelet is about, and I've got the federal docs on that about humiliation,

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about selling the president for you to do anything and everything.

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This is all part of a dog training, basically Pavlovian training to train you how to be

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a slave.

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I'm going to play this clip coming up after the break where, uh, they're advertising the

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fact that you'll all be fitted with your, with your zappers.

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Everyone will have their, and then they say, Oh, by the way, in the real world, outside

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the airports.

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Um, he's going to get into like, uh, externalizing this and like, Hey, you just wear shock bracelets

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everywhere.

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Yeah.

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That makes sense.

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I don't have the audio of it cause it's not really worth it.

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That actually sounds like a product that he would be advertising for on his show now.

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Just like, Oh, for your, for your, uh, globalist in your life, give him a little wrist taser

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for all your shock needs.

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Um, I don't it around where you hide your guns.

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I don't play the, I don't have the audio of it.

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I didn't keep it cause it's kind of boring and Alex talks over it, but what it is is

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kind of what it sounds to me like is a, like a tech business that has an idea and they're

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sort of pitching it, right?

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It's not, it's not like the government is planning this and 10 years later we don't

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have shock bracelets.

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Now we don't.

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So we'll finish this up.

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Should we?

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No.

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I think that's a larger question.

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I think we don't need them.

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All right.

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But I feel like there's a conversation to be had and the police in LA are pushing and

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then they've done it in some cities where your car has to have an automatic kill switch

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for the police.

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Cause she, somebody might run from them.

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So we're all guilty until proven innocent.

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So we all got to have a kill switch in our car course who's going to watch the government

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historically is the most dangerous thing we have to look out for.

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It doesn't matter.

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automatic kill switches in cars, uh, will all be fitted with our taser bracelets or

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necklaces.

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Again, you can't make this up.

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You can't make this up.

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This is, this is not a spoof for satire.

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You'll laugh and say it's not true today, but when you hear about it on the news next

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month, you will in double think shift and say, okay, I'm for it.

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That's how you've been pre-programmed with high tech mind control of the television that

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then leaks out into the culture and then is amplified by the cultural zeitgeist known

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as the peer pressure hundredth monkey nexus overdrive.

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Is that what we call him?

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I just coined there, but that's basically what it is.

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Known as known as popularly known as, and then whatever it was he said.

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And then he's like, I just coined that the hundredth monkey nexus overdrive.

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And again, I mean that just goes back to the debunked hundreds monkey theory.

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Exactly.

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So even that's stupid.

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Even the coin term, he just came up with this stupid, uh, 10 again, 10 years later, we don't

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have shock bracelets.

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For many reasons is that name stupid?

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Absolutely.

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It's, it's clunky.

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It's too wordy.

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Too wordy.

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I would also say that like, I kind of agree with him that the idea of all cars having

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a kill switch in them is not good necessarily, but I also see the practical application of

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it.

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Right.

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I mean, I don't, I don't know.

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That one's murky to me.

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I also don't think that all cars do.

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No, they absolutely don't.

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No, I mean it's an interesting idea because a car chase is horrific.

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Like my cousin, so much damage, my cousin actually was hit by a running away car, uh,

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being chased by the cops and no, never caught the guy.

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So he just got fucked up.

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Like you hear about it from time to time, an old person behind the wheel will like run

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through a crowd or there are terrorist attacks that use cars now that seem to be happening

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in Europe every now and again.

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So there is a practical application.

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The only problem is now you're talking about a remote kill switch.

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And as we know about any kind of remote technology, uh, it's going to get hacked by somebody who

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knows how to use it better than you do.

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So they can do whatever they want with it.

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You know, it's entirely possible.

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It's a double edged sword of a, of a, an astonishing, uh, you know, negative application.

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So what we see at this point already is Alex Jones being kind of stupid, but at the same

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time.

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But he's also very glib about how smart he is.

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Right.

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And that's, that's annoying.

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Very annoying.

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But it's not bad, you know, like knowing it's annoying, but it's not, it's not Alex Jones

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bad.

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Right.

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So what I, the point I'm trying to get at right now is, and now if he'd said the Muslims

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put kill switches in all of your cars, there we go.

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Then we, then we're talking Alex Jones territory.

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Yeah.

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But what I'm getting at is that like, I, so we have three things so far that have come

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up.

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One is that Ishtar being Easter, which is not true, but fine, whatever.

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You want to get into your esoteric babbling about a weird internet memes and shit like

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that.

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Right.

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Fine.

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That's good fun.

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Good on you.

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There is a segment of the population.

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Playboy is because of Ishtar.

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Well, but there's a segment of the population that really loves that stuff and I'm, I'm

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susceptible to that to some extent too.

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Like I watch videos on YouTube about Atlantis and stuff like that.

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Right.

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I don't necessarily think it's true, but I enjoy it and I wouldn't want someone just

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because it's not true to not put it out there.

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Right.

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So I love it.

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I'm fine with that.

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Then we have the government is going to put shock bracelets on you in order to fly.

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Well, yeah.

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And then we have kill switches in cars.

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Those two things are like they're paranoia narratives, but at the same time, the way

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he's presenting them and the position he's in in 2008 is the kind of guy who I'm cool

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with existing because like the absence of that voice is worse.

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Like you know that governments and you know, power organizations tend to overstep their

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bounds.

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Right.

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There are a hundred percent of the time there is a pushing that power just naturally does.

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Yeah.

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And so having someone who is just there yelling about like X, Y, or Z, whether it's accurate

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or not, there is kind of a value to it.

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I agree.

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Because the absence of that voice would allow things to be unchecked to some extent.

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I think there's smarter voices that do it, but possibly not more popular ones.

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Now, granted his positions are alarmist and paranoid and not based in reality, but I'm

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not saying he's right.

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But what I'm saying is that at this point it's not at least, I mean, it might get worse

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as the episode goes along, but like he's not as offensive as he is like six years later.

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Right.

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I mean, yeah, he sounds more like the guy on the corner with the sign saying that apocalypse

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is at hand.

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Yeah.

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You know, like, yeah, I like that voice being available to me.

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Like if I'm walking down the street not thinking about whether or not the apocalypse is at

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hand, I like to be reminded that it is.

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Now, granted, regardless of whether it is or not, we know from the last episode that

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like, I mean, there is still bigotry going on.

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He's still, that's still part of him already in 2008.

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He's still a racist and shit like that.

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So we just didn't know he also hated Ishtar.

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Right.

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I'm conflicted about the position that he's in in 2008 in terms of like, if you could

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get rid of the racism, would he be a valuable voice in public discourse?

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I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure.

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There's a better argument for it then than there is now.

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That's for damn sure.

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Right.

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Anyway, I don't know.

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That's just the thought that I've had and I don't know what to do with.

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Anyway.

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The thought we're having is, is Alex Jones better or worse?

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Now way worse.

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Oh, yeah.

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Now he's way, way worse.

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But I think it's worse for him too.

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Anyway, let's listen to this next clip and where he brings those sort of narratives together

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and, uh, and, and, all right, welcome ladies and gentlemen, it's Ishtar day.

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Remember this is his favorite sign and Jesus Christ by putting out purple, green and pink

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Easter eggs and hopping around.

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You know, imagine if somebody fell asleep 50 years ago and just now woke up on a cryo

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freeze and turned on the news and they were proposing that we all walk around wearing

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shock bracelets.

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If it makes the officer feel more relaxed, shouldn't the entire public be fitted with

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a shock bracelets?

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Oh yeah, I'm definitely Al-Qaeda because I don't want to wear my shock bracelets.

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The government's good.

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The men in black ski mask are good.

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Everything is fine, my friends.

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So that, that right there kind of gets to a little beat drop.

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Got him.

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Well, but like Alex loves doing radio.

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Yeah.

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He's, he's so much happier 10 years ago that you can hear it, you can feel it and there's

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something to me.

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Okay.

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I'll just lay all my cards on the table.

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I, I, I, you want this Alex Jones to come back?

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No, I identify with him.

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Okay.

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You take, all right, you take away the racism and stuff like that.

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And that's the life I fucking want it for a long time.

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Just being able to talk on a talk show like have your own fucking radio show and really

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love it.

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Like I can feel it.

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I can feel his enjoyment of this radio show and it bums me out the path we know the next

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decade takes in his life.

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It's another story of capitalism running you.

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We need to have a for real Christmas Carol situation going on here.

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Yeah.

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He needs to be visited by the ghost of Jakari Jackson.

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Jakari, I don't even know if it was around back then.

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See, there we go.

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Yeah.

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Then he'll be taken into the past with Jakari Jackson.

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He'll go see what it was like whenever he knew a black person.

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Those were the days.

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Larry Elder might still talk to him.

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Then the ghost of Jerome Corsi will take him to the DC office now and he'll realize how

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boring Jerome Corsi is.

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And that there is no DC office.

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So he'll change his ways.

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Jerome Corsi in a fucking hotel room.

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Yep.

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And then David Knight will take him into the future where he sounds a lot like David Knight.

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It'll be heartbreaking.

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Wow.

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Once he loses his joie de vivre.

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Exactly.

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And then Alex will realize the error of his ways.

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He'll get back together with his first wife.

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I don't know if that's a good idea.

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No.

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I'm going to go with no.

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I guess not.

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He'll get back together with one of his 150 high school sweethearts.

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That could be.

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Well, like, and maybe, maybe I'm willing to accept that there is a part of me saying like

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he is a re not reasonable, but he is a not terrible voice in the media landscape because

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I identify with having your own radio show and like how exciting that like a little bit

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of a surface.

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It's impossible.

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Yeah, I know.

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It's possible.

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But at the same time, like, I don't know, I, I, as, as these words are coming out of

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my mouth, I realize I can't, I can't defend these.

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They're kind of like, um, I can't deny it because I know that like he's still basically

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saying all government is evil.

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You should be afraid of everything, which is really the bedrock of what makes him a

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problem.

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So no, fuck that.

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Yeah.

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You're just, you're saying right now, like I identify with Alex because he enjoys having

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a radio show.

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Like that's a very different thing than I like his voice being available to anybody

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at any given point in time.

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Yeah.

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It's not such a really difficult line to walk because a certain amount of paranoia is useful.

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Too much paranoia is dangerous, but having a paranoid voice around is, is good to check

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some of the, uh, underlying assumptions that we have.

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You know?

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So you're saying he's moving the Overton window of paranoia, so to speak.

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Not, no.

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He's pushing us, he's pushing the discourse more towards paranoia, but not all the way

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towards his paranoia.

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No, what I'm saying is back then there is a, there is a purpose in society that he's

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fulfilling to some degree, which is being, like you said, that crazy voice, that guy

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who yells stuff and like maybe one time out of 50 he's right, but because of how crazy

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it is, it causes you to take a step back and re-examine your positions.

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He's not that now, but going back and listening to this like same guy doing something very

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different back then, I guess maybe it's sort of, um, growing pains or shock of jumping

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back in time that I'm experiencing this and like, this isn't so bad.

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I think that's just, that's, that's cause the bar is set so low now.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Whereas like we gotta, it's like he needs to be arrested now.

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He's going to like, he's going to get people killed now.

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Whereas back then it's like, yeah, he's just going to get people to believe dumb stuff.

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Eh, all right.

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He's a relatively benign character now.

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He might reinforce some people's underlying racism or fears of various things, but I mean

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that's, if you look at what was going on on like Fox News in 2008, it's really not that

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different.

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No.

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It's not, it's, it's no different than libertarian or conservative, just stock and trade bigotry

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to some extent.

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Right.

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So I don't know.

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I'm having a very difficult...

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It's not something that we want to yada, yada, yada over.

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No, absolutely not.

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I don't think it's good, but I mean in terms of what we talk about, Alex is far worse than

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that stock and trade stuff now, like in 2018.

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Yeah, but isn't he still denying Sandy Hook and all of that stuff?

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Not in 2008, it hadn't happened yet.

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Well, I know, but I mean, isn't he still denying Timothy McVeigh and all kinds of white terrorism?

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Yeah, yeah.

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It doesn't come up as yet.

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I haven't really heard him talk about it much, but yeah, I mean that is part of it.

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That's part of his...

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Eh, fuck him.

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I know, it's very...

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I'm still going to go with fuck him.

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It's very complicated.

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It might just be because he doesn't...

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And if it weren't for this Alex Jones, he wouldn't have built up the rabid listenership

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that makes up his racist, horrible fans.

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I'm not certain about that.

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I'm listening to these shows and I don't see how he ever got popular, quite frankly.

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Like from what I've listened so far, he does yell stuff every now and again, but it's not

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like...

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I don't like his voice right now.

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He sounds very nasal and he's got that little upturn at the end.

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It's interesting to think of the trajectory of like this being 10 years ago and we know

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that he only goes up.

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It gets to like this, I mean, he's at a plateau now, he's not going higher than this.

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But it's...

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He's going to crash very hard soon.

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One of the things that's being reinforced in my mind is that that growth is not organic.

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Because we listened to that 15-minute interview he had with Dean Adell and he just had all

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of his narratives busted and a doctor pointing out, well, here's why you got to be very careful

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with statistics, you got to read other studies in conjunction with the studies that you're

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trying to...

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He's like, bah, no, vaccines.

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And I don't understand how anybody listening to his show wouldn't think like, oh, Alex

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doesn't really know what he's talking about.

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His own positions are being undermined on his show back then.

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Yeah, but never underestimate the absolute hatred that a lot of Americans have for anybody

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who knows fancy learnings.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Anti-intellectualism does go a long way.

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So anyway, in this next clip, Alex Jones has another narrative that he's going to pitch.

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I would call it the junior varsity narrative of the show.

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And it's about your blood.

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Let's hand over the DNA of newborns to the Department of Homeland Security.

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I want to spend some time on this.

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All of your children, 35 or younger, you've been put in an illegal international database.

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Now, your conditioning just kicked in.

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You went, wait a minute, Homeland Security is six years old.

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I know that.

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I'm going to read the actual documents.

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This is real.

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That blood they say goes to the health department for a blood test.

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Did you ever ask why the hospital couldn't do a blood test?

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Your blood publicly went to a federal database and then to an international database, okay,

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for DNA testing, DNA backgrounds.

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They claim they own your child's blood.

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They make DNA patents out of it, new proteins and things.

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But now it goes to Homeland Security in the national crime database with murderers, bank

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robbers, everything else.

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You want to be slaves?

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You're going to get to be.

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And I want to tell the cops something.

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You think you're on the winning team?

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Just drink more fluoride water from your masters.

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Inject your children with mercury-filled shots.

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Just trust the system.

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Go ahead.

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Serve it.

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Love it.

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We'll come back with the DNA databases and your cable boxes watching you.

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So maybe it is too much paranoia.

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He tossed that one off at the end like that was no big deal.

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Maybe it's too much paranoia.

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They're stealing your blood.

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Oh, by the way, your TV box is watching you.

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Anyways, we're going to get off to the break.

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What he's talking about is real.

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It's true.

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But one of the reasons that your hospital doesn't do those tests is because they don't

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have the capacity to do those tests.

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It's kind of expensive to have that kind of facility.

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So why keep it in the same place whenever somebody else can do it?

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And there are some issues.

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And the ACLU in particular is working and has worked towards this.

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It goes state by state.

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So what they do is they take blood from your baby and you get screened for all sorts of

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diseases at birth because some of them are things that can be dealt with very easily

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immediately but will be unreversible later.

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So it's a very important thing in terms of genetic conditions to do that sort of thing.

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But the issue does become that a lot of that information from the tests and the blood can

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be stored depending on the state for long periods of time.

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Okay, that's great.

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And tests can be done in terms of like the data that comes from it is incredibly valuable

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in terms of tracing correlations in order to track genes for other genetic conditions

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and things like that.

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Now, a lot of the time that information, it's unidentified.

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It has all the identifiers taken away from it.

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Your name isn't connected to it or anything like that.

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But it is still a very weird area in terms of consent and privacy.

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And the ACLU is working and has been for years trying to allow people to have their rights

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in terms of if they feel violated by that, taking people to court and that sort of thing,

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which is a much more...

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There's the story of the black woman's blood and genetic material that was cultured again

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and again and again for like 60 years or something like that.

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And it's one of the most important samples in medical research history.

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But they just never told her about it.

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We only found out that it happened recently in the past five years or so.

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And it was all done like, hey, we just stole your stuff and now it's copyrighted and patented

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and all that stuff.

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I'm not sure if it's a copywriter or whatever.

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But yeah, they just stole her information and used it willy-nilly, so to speak.

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Willy-nilly is a phrase that comes from Ishtar.

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And the...

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Wait, what?

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I don't want to minimize it.

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But what was she going to do with that information?

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You know what I mean?

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I don't know.

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I don't think that it's great to blindly trust things like this.

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But at the same time, I don't think it's right to be blindly paranoid about them.

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Because there are incredible medical advances that were probably made by using this woman's...

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Oh, for sure.

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Yeah, but I think it's a licensing fee, right?

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If they steal and use your blood and then keep selling it.

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I would say give them a licensing fee.

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They can have my blood.

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I don't give a shit.

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At the very least, a finder's fee.

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I don't give a shit.

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Okay.

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Have my blood.

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All right.

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I'm not using it?

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We're going to see like 15 Dan Chimeras and it's going to be awful.

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That'd be great.

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They're going to be terrible at parties.

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Oh, man, but we'll have an awesome podcast, we'll have a network.

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So I was reading up on this and...

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Different Chimeras for different propagandists.

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There's an article in Newsweek from 2014 that sort of really brought things home for me.

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I'll just read to you here.

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Thinner than average with serious shadowed eyes, Kevin Anderson, 36, has worked as a

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filmmaker for over 10 years.

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He's traveled throughout Europe and the Americas producing web and sports videos, news packages

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and documentary shorts.

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In his infancy, he was diagnosed with a rare genetic condition commonly referred to as

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PKU, where the body cannot properly break down protein.

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Throughout his life, he's taken medicine and followed a special low protein diet, but other

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than these restrictions, he enjoys a healthy life.

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Recently, though, he stumbled across this video that showed people with undiagnosed

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PKU.

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While he had often heard stories about what would happen if he had never treated his condition,

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quote, I'd never seen pictures of it.

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I'd never encountered it myself.

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So it wasn't quite real to me, he says.

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And when I watched that video, he trails off choking up, pausing until the heartbreak passes.

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It just captured me.

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I had the sudden realization that I would have become mentally retarded.

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I would have been in an institution had it not been for newborn screening.

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And that story is true for thousands and thousands of people every year, not just with PKU, but

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with all sorts of conditions that would deteriorate their life.

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It would be a situation, like I said, things are treatable and manageable initially, but

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later will not be.

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You can't go back.

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This screening stuff is absolutely essential.

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Yeah, but Alex hates all preventative medicine.

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You know, like he hates vaccines.

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He hates going to see the doctor.

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You should just buy like bullshit pills.

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Like he despises any kind of actual solutions.

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By every account, newborn screening is one of modernity's biggest medical success stories.

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So suck it.

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Yeah.

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That's what I would say.

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Right.

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And also this article brings up something really interesting.

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You know that 23andMe, that company where you'd send a swab in and they'd tell you your

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genetic history?

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Is that what they do?

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Well, yeah.

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They would tell you...

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Oh, 23 chromosomes.

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Yeah, your ancestry.

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They would tell you where it comes from.

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But it's interesting here.

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23andMe, a consumer genetics company, will genotype your DNA and provide you with ancestry-related

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reports and raw data.

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Previously, 23andMe's reports included odd ratios for certain medical conditions.

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But in November 2013, the FDA prohibited the company from continuing to sell health reports,

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as they could not be analytically or clinically validated.

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In reality, a health report may just be the most enticing carrot 23andMe was able to dream

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up in order to get your DNA in its computers.

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As noted by the authors of an article in the New England Journal of Medicine, quote, 23andMe

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has suggested that its longer-range goal is to collect a massive biobank of genetic information

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that can be used and sold for medical research and could also lead to patentable discoveries.

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This characterization is not denied by 23andMe.

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That's fucking genius.

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This characterization is not denied by 23andMe, which tells Newsweek, quote, the primary mission

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of our company is to accelerate genetic discovery.

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That's fucking amazing.

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So here's what they do.

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Hold on.

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Let me finish this.

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So the real money, then, isn't selling you a health analysis.

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It's in using and selling your data for biomedical research.

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It's not much different from how Google, Yahoo, and Facebook give us search engines, email,

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and social networking for free, only to sell all the information they gather to anyone

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wishing to market products to us.

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23andMe has already conducted research funded by the NIH and collaborated with academic

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and industry partners.

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The company offers customers who buy personal genetic reports the option to participate

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in its wider research program.

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Currently, 23andMe stores data for more than 700,000 genotyped customers, and of these,

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more than 80% have not only opted into the research program, but have also actively answered

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survey questions.

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Here's where it comes down.

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The way, there's a quote, the way information becomes really valuable is when we can start

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to look at genetic information and also understand phenotypic data, explains the company representative.

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Research looks something like this.

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After first isolating all the customers who have stated on a survey that they have a particular

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allergy, say a cat allergy, a researcher might run a query to see if these customers share

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some genetic mutation, and with further analysis, find out where those variants are located

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in the DNA.

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Quote, those are the things we want to explore, 23andMe says, but we can only do that if you

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answer questions.

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Participation in biomedical research then really has two parts, consenting to use your

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genetic data and providing your personal information to enhance the value of the data.

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So if you look at that just from a consumer model that 23andMe is using, that's what

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these biobanks that the information that comes from the babies at birth are going into.

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It's the same sort of thing.

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They're tricking people, like chances are they were just sending out random generated

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medical reports, right?

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I don't know, I don't know.

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That's the reason the FDA said that they can't do that anymore is because it's like, we can't,

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we don't know if we can confirm this, so you could be lying.

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I think if it was random, they probably would be sued, because that would be the sort of

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thing that they could...

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Yeah, but how would you know?

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Because that would...

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Like you would have to do their thing.

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That would come up in, that would come up in like an audit or something like that.

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An audit?

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If the FDA is telling them not to do it anymore, they've probably looked into what they're

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doing.

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I would assume.

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Because the idea that you can't back this up, they would have an opportunity to say,

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we can back this up.

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There would be a conversation.

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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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Also...

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That's what I'm saying.

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They don't want to and they, because it's like a random ass thing.

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I don't know.

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I don't think it's the same thing as like giving a horoscope or something like that.

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I think it is.

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Okay, fine.

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I think that's pretty much...

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Neither of us can prove it.

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I think that's pretty much what the FDA is saying.

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Next point.

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Yeah.

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It's neither of us can prove anything.

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Yeah.

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But then they're just keeping and selling your genetic information.

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You're giving up all of that information to them.

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Keeping it and selling it to use towards breakthroughs in science that can be used to possibly isolate

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where these allergies come from and be able to make it so people don't have to suffer

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with those allergies anymore.

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I have friends who are allergic to wheat.

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I know somebody who's allergic to sunlight.

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There are really crippling allergies and if there were some sort of breakthrough that

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could be made, I think there's a lot of people whose lives could be greatly benefited from

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it.

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Probably.

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Now that's assuming that all this isn't being abused.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if I like a private company having all of that information able to be sold to

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anybody though.

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It's in their fucking small print and people are paying to use their service.

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Right.

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So I don't think that these people have any leg to stand on and I was looking for it.

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I can't really find any abuses.

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Like I can't find instances of abuses of this genetic information.

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Flu season was particularly bad this year.

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You think that's because of the... All I'm saying is if I was going to use a database

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to genetically engineer a strain of the flu that could kill 90% of the population, I would

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definitely call 23andMe.

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This flu season did not kill 90% of the population.

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Are we sure yet?

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I'm positive.

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Maybe it was a test run.

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It could be.

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It killed a third of a percent of everybody who got infected or something like that.

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So anyway, what I'm getting at here is that Alex has, again, the kernel of something that's

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like, eh, there is a privacy issue that more responsible bodies like the ACLU are working

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on and have been aware of and active on where his paranoia and fear leads people to ignore

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the more important and socially and medically important elements of this.

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So that seems to be sort of a runner.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I don't have too much.

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What would they do with... Like I keep trying to think of a negative thing that they could

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do if I gave them my genetic information.

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They could copyright your genes and then be like, I own your body or something like that.

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Is that a thing you can do though?

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I don't think so.

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I feel like that wouldn't hold up in court.

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No, I don't think so either.

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I don't know.

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I don't know exactly what the fear is.

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He's never really super specific on it.

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But anyway, let's get to this next clip because it's fun.

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Put your mic down because this is another delightful moment in 2008, Alex Jones.

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Okay.

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Out in the West Texas town of El Paso, I fell in love with a Mexican girl.

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The face scanning cameras were wonderful and happy.

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I had to thumb scan to get in the bar.

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The police demanded to drug test me.

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I refused.

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They tasered me five times and I had a heart attack and died.

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It's all part of being a slave and I love it.

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It's so much fun.

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Oh, please.

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Beat me more.

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All right, I'll stop.

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This is the Easter fun show, you know.

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Wild America, wild and free.

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Face scanning cameras everywhere, everything you do tracked.

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But he gave her the drink filled with fluoride and she collapsed in a coma.

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That's enough, man.

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But I wasn't allowed to own a gun in America anymore.

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And I wasn't allowed to fight either.

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You know, in this country, the kids aren't allowed to play tag or dodge ball.

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Now they're bagging.

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Now they're banning running during recess again.

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Everything's prison.

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Great.

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Uh, so that was Marty Robbins' great song, El Paso.

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I know so many musical comedians who are jealous right now.

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Those chops.

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Because that writing.

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Oh.

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Are you kidding me?

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So good.

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Ooh.

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Yeah.

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Nailed it.

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Get out of your way, Brady.

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Weird Al, fuck off.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Get out of the way of Alex Jones' improv musical comedy.

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Get him on Whose Line.

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Yeah.

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But like, that, I mean, that's still kind of.

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To sing the wrong song over another song.

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That's kind of still charming.

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Not as fun as the Highwaymen, perhaps, but still, it's nice that he takes time out of

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every episode to listen to an entire.

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I love it so much.

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Beat me.

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He listens to an entire country song on every episode, which is delightful.

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And I like that song a lot.

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I think everyone knows it because of the penultimate episode of Breaking Bad features it pretty

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heavily.

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But it's a great song.

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It's a great song.

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It's a good song.

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El Paso, Marty Robbins.

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I'm not going to say it's not a good song.

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But you know, all those, all of his lyrics in there are mischaracterizations of stories.

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Which is fun.

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I gave that woman some fluoride to drink.

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She passed out and I don't have a gun.

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Right.

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So in this next.

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Great stuff.

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In this next clip, I've been a little bit too generous to Alex throughout the show,

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perhaps already.

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And we'll get to now why he's still bad.

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He's still bad in 2008.

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Uriah, go ahead.

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Yeah, um, when I was going up the canyon with my dad, um, um, we saw about, um, four helicopters

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just flying, like just real close to the ground.

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Those don't exist, sir.

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Okay.

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And then back up just on the highway.

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I was like big, uh, a lot of cops just all around right now operation.

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That's good.

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Give me safe.

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But if you say you don't like what they were doing, that they don't exist, you say you

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appreciate it.

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One level of police state.

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They do exist.

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You understand how that works, sir?

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Yeah.

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You got to learn how to work on the average yuppie.

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A yuppie thinks as long as they claim in their own mind, they're winning and that they're

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on top of things that they are.

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That's a loser's creed is that the analogy is somebody else's business is falling apart

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and their competition is kicking their butt.

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They'll say, Oh, that's my competition.

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They're in deep trouble.

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Anything else you want to add, sir?

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Nope.

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Certainly doesn't.

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He was trying to give him like a, he was trying to give him an assist.

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He was like, Hey, we went up to Canada.

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There were four helicopters and the police were doing a, an operation.

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Go to town.

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Alex, tell me what was going on.

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Give me a conspiracy theory.

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And I was just like, Nope, no, cause Alex uses, Alex is using it in service of a bigger

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conspiracy theory and that is that like, Oh yeah, you're not supposed to worry about that

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stuff.

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You're supposed to, if you, if you believe for a second, if you believe for a second,

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if you believe that those people were probably just, they're doing some sort of a routine

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thing or some sort of operation.

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You might be a globalist, right?

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I was waiting.

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I was waiting for you to finish in the middle of still waiting for me to finish.

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You were waiting for me to finish.

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I was being polite.

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It's Oh, were you?

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That's hilarious.

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Um, so in this next clip, uh, just back to that last one.

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The mentality is just like, you're an idiot if you believe anything is not a conspiracy

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basically.

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And that's a really dangerous, uh, mentality for him.

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And that guy sounded young, that color sounded young.

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He went up to Canada with his dad.

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Like that didn't sound, he might be in high school or something like that.

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And when you speak to people, you should not, you shouldn't reinforce the worst parts of

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their, their mentality.

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I think he's doing that, uh, to a certain extent, but again, I'm just being a Dick to

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this kid, man.

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But again, I'm fucking torn because of stuff like this.

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Yeah, I've got a syndicated radio transmission reaching millions every week, Monday through

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Friday.

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That's not enough for me.

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I get my butt in my car and I drive down to the studios of news radio, five 90 K LBJ,

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we Jack into the satellites and blast out on the AM and FM dial communities across this

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country.

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The channel cast on the internet and shortwave worldwide.

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We're not giving up.

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We're not going down without a fight.

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Go to tow with the new world order, scientific dictatorship and the big egghead scientist

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at the top that worked for the big old bankers, the robber barons, the black nobility of Europe,

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the Machiavellian system, go to tow with dehumanization 110% never back it down, never surrendering.

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It's not the kill, ladies and gentlemen, it's the thrill of the fight and I can smell blood.

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We're going to bring them down.

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They're afraid.

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They tried to dumb you down and turn you into a bunch of nerds and don't understand where

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I really work, but you're starting to wake up, you're starting to feel the freedom again

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and you're starting to wake up.

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Big brother doesn't like that.

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He popped in there.

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That's what you got folks.

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We're back live.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That was the best high school football speech I have ever heard in my entire life move over

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coach Taylor.

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Go fuck off.

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There are two people who are moving over today.

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Weird Al coach Taylor.

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Get out of the way.

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Nobody eyes, closed hearts, can't lose.

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Can't read.

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He is so fucking into this.

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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I love it.

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There's a, there is a like, you know when someone likes what they're doing and it's

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infectious.

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Yeah.

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And that, that comes off, man.

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He just did a minute and a half yelling about how much he loves his job.

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That's all he was doing.

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I know.

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All that other stuff isn't real.

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The black nobility of Europe, he's fighting against the black nobility of Europe.

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The black Pope.

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It's all the stuff.

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You've got to fight against both popes.

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All that stuff is so like, it's all not true, but man, the passion is, oh yeah, I was ready

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to do a radio show.

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Fuck it.

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Dig it.

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Yeah.

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I can do another two hours of this show now.

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I'm fucking wrecked.

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I do not like, uh, the other stuff.

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I mean, I don't like the other stuff about like, you know, telling his callers to be

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afraid, um, being like, you know, be afraid that a government's going to steal your blood,

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that shit.

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But like, fuck those moments.

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I think what I'm getting at is I want, I just don't want to be a nerd, Dan.

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I don't either.

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I want to wrap, I want to, I'm not wrapping up the show, but I want to wrap up my feelings

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from earlier.

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I think in by, by saying that like we have empathy, we have human empathy and I think

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what, where perhaps to our detriment, where I say that like Alex is much better than it

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probably comes from a place where I can feel him being a happy man.

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Yeah.

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I can feel him even if he thinks all this stupid government paranoia, fear, all this

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stuff, even if he thinks all of that's real, his place in life is right.

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This is where he belongs.

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Yeah.

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That's a really good point.

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The worst thing that ever happened to him is whatever artificial success he had at some

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point after this, because he's lost his way.

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He's lost his soul entirely and it probably has much less to do with Trump than we think.

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Like, cause it's probably before that even like cause when we listen back to stuff from

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like 2013, 2014, he wasn't on the Trump bandwagon and he's still like not as happy as he is

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there or when he's listening to highwaymen, right?

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He's fucking where he belongs.

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New plan to, to fix Alex Jones now, I don't think it can be done, but I think I know where

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you're going, but I don't think it can be done.

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We get him to coach a little league hockey team, a little league radio team.

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And then they'll go up against Iceland in the wind and it'll be amazing.

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He'll fall in love, but then we'll realize that that's not the woman for him.

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He gets a cut out of George Soros.

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Exactly.

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This is a distraction.

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This is a fire in a barrel.

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The flying conspiracy theory.

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Um, so in this next clip, Alex gets really blowhardy about, uh, history and uh, religion

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and uh,

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Oh, they can even use the same slogan, quacks, ducks quack together, quacks fly together.

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So I can make a judgment about a culture being degenerate and the Aztec culture was degenerate

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and very satanic.

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You got to go down there and actually just thousands of skulls carved in the walls and

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just hell raiser, man, it was like hell world or something with just these power tripping

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priest whacked out of their mind on drugs.

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And then by the way, the main meat for the public, the reason the general public liked

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the sacrifices is they had a sec couple of sacrifices every day in the smaller temple

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centers around villages, you know, they would have villages all around and then a central

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city where they got their orders and they would kick the dead bodies of the people they

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sacrifice every day at sunup and sundown and the people would get select meat cutlets.

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In fact, you've got the local sub-priest class would hang them up by their feet and cut up

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the sub-priest class and sell the meat out at reduced prices.

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And uh, so you may think that's good, but I don't think that's good.

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Uh, and so the main meat and the treasured meat was that of the children.

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So uh, and I've interviewed top anthropologists on the sub-priest.

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Uh, it doesn't matter, I'm probably with Al-Qaeda because I'm against that now.

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Just worship Ishtar about it, everything's fine.

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Uh, you know, what I know about religions or background, just be ignorant.

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Just march madness, everything's fine.

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Just trust your government, everything's going to be fine for you.

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Cool, cool.

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Cool, cool.

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Blowhardy way to end that.

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Um, uh, human sacrifice in Aztec cultures is actually really fascinating.

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Um, there is a, uh, first of all, it happened monthly.

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There was a like 18 month calendar that the Aztecs operated under and they'd have different,

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uh, specific sacrifices that they do to specific deities every month.

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And the role of the one who is being sacrificed is actually really interesting, uh, as well.

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Um, generally speaking, what the Aztecs believed was that their gods who came before sacrificed

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themselves that humans might live.

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That was a foundational aspect of Aztec beliefs.

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I mean, it's Christianity too.

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Right.

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Like when Jesus was sacrificed so we would live without sin.

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Right.

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It's not uncommon in religious traditions.

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Christians are just less hardcore.

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They weren't always.

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That's true.

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That's a good point.

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Uh, but the, the people who were being sacrificed, generally speaking, were very willing participants

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in it because they understood their role in the, uh, the drama, the cosmic drama that

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was being played out.

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And anthropologists who have studied it find it to be almost unbelievable that people were

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forced into the sacrifices.

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Most of the time there were some that were, but most of the time they couldn't really

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have been because so much went along with being a sacrifice.

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Like you had to lead processions, you had to give speeches, have people sing songs,

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go and talk to people.

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Like there was a really ritualistic part of being the sacrifice.

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And so this idea, first of all, they were doing it multiple times a day is absurd.

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Yeah.

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Except...

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You'd run out of folks.

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Except in the instance of like christening new temples to quetzalcoatl and stuff like

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that.

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Then they would kill a lot of people.

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Then it would be like, there are varying reports on it, but like what would people who've like,

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who really studied it come away from it with is that like it's Spaniard propaganda for

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the most part.

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Yeah.

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Because the Spanish who came in and conquered, they needed to justify a lot of their atrocities

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and the way they did it.

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We're saving lives.

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Right.

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The way they justified their actions a lot of the time would be like they killed 80,000

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people trying to christen this temple when in reality it might've still been in the thousands,

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which is a lot of people.

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That's too many people.

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Right.

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But they had like a four day festival.

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It's, you know, it's spread out a little bit.

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I mean, you can, it's, that's hard to organize the organization, the infrastructure for being

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able to kill thousands of people in one in a few days.

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That's rough.

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That's a lot.

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It's a well-oiled machine.

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Yeah.

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I mean like, what are we talking?

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How many, how many, how many per hour?

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I've never asked the question, how many sacrifices can you do per hour?

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But now I want to know.

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Well, I mean, like, what do you think, like 20?

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The propaganda argument or like that, that's just what I'm choosing to call it because

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a lot of people have suggested that it is, was that, uh, over the, uh, the great pyramid

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of, uh, Tenochtitlan, uh, in 1487 when it was built that they sacrificed 80,400 people

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in four days, uh, which would go to 14 sacrifices a minute for the four days, which is, I think,

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generally speaking, pretty unbelievable.

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The real number is, uh, from people who have like looked at it more critically is like

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maybe 10,000, which is still crazy.

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And then, uh, old Aztecs who talked to missionaries told of a much lower figure, uh, probably

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about 4,000 people, which is still a lot, but it's part of their religious cosmology.

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And it's, I don't know enough to fully break a lot of this stuff down, but from looking

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into it, the role of sacrifice of humans in their culture was really fucking fascinating.

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They'd have played out wars between different Aztec cities where the goal of the war was

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not to kill each other, it was to injure someone, bring them back to be sacrificed.

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And the people who were on both sides knew that that was their role were they to be injured.

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It was like playing out a drama through warfare where you were actually trained in warfare

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at like, you know, you get in practice, but then also, you know, you know, you know that

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if you get kabonged, uh, in the head with a rock, you're probably going back and taken

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to the temple.

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Right.

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It's, it's fascinating stuff.

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But I looked into it and I realized that that is not the inspiration for Flag Day.

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No.

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It's a false cognate.

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It is.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Um, it, it, other cultures are fascinating and looking at them through solely the prism

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of our own culture is a, it's a definite way to end up hating other cultures or thinking

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they're worse than you.

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Yeah.

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But then also the cannibalism aspect, there was some cannibalism.

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I like the way that he described it too, because he was like, you would get sacrificed and

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then they'd kick you all day.

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And then you would get down the steps.

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Right.

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No, no.

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He said they'd kick you repeatedly all day.

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Like people would kick you all day.

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And then they would hand out the meat because it sounded to me like what he was describing

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is that because of the kicking, you would get really tender human meat.

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That's why you misheard it.

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That's what I was thinking whenever he described it thusly.

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He said they kick, they kick you down the temple stairs.

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That's what, that's what he was getting at.

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He said all day though.

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No, he didn't.

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Oh yeah.

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He was saying that they're doing sacrifices all day.

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You gotta tenderize the meat.

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Whatever.

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Um, the issue is that like, uh, early anthropologists thought that because of the ecology and the,

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um, where the Aztec cities were located, that they wouldn't have had a ready source of protein

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and that so this sacrificing of people was a way to create a source of protein.

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And later studies have shown that that thinking is probably wasn't true because there were

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plenty of, uh, plenty of, uh, uh, sources of, uh, of protein.

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There's like lizards and weasels, salamanders, fowl, there's all sorts of birds and shit.

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So like they had maize and what have you and the other, other crops that could feed their

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carbohydrate needs, but the, the theory of, uh, humans being needed for protein is not,

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not accurate, but don't get me wrong.

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Some people did get eaten, but people still get eaten now, but sometimes you're going

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to get eaten.

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But if that was like this big societal need and everyone was clamoring for human flesh

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and what have you, it doesn't make sense that they would then, uh, take a lot of the organs

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that would be the best eaten and sacrifice those to the gods.

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You know what I mean?

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Well, that's what they do in crystal lake, Illinois.

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Yeah.

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What do you want?

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What?

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Well, I'm starting a new rumor.

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I think crystal lake eats people.

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Okay.

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There we go.

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I'm fine.

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And they sacrifice the choices, cuts to, uh, the tastiest giblets.

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Yep.

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Um, so from here on, uh, Alex gets pretty dumb, I would say, but it's back to Ishtar

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and holidays.

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Love it.

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So let's jump into this.

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Flag day.

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He goes off on one topic and jumps to this is another reason why I think he just fucking

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loves doing radio and no one being able to tell him what to do because he doesn't make

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any goddamn sense in this clip.

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He just goes from one topic to the next, to the next, to the next, and it's a show.

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It's real simple.

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Christianity was oppressed and dominated and attacked for several hundred years after Christ.

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Then, uh, a Roman emperor decided to adopt it, but the occultist wouldn't go away.

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And so they hid everything basically in plain view in all of the saints and all of the different

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holidays and when they celebrated Christ's birthday, you know, that's for the middle

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of the winter, the darkness time in the winter.

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That's just a way of like looking at probable reality from the other side.

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You could say that those pagan symbols and pagan figures already existed.

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And when Constantine took over in the early, so like three 30 maybe, is that when he became

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emperor or something?

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Somewhere around there.

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When he came to power and converted to Christ or Christianity, he took the preexisting things

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and relabeled them in Christian tradition.

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So as to appease the populaces together because you're trying to run a fucking empire.

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I'm amazed that Alex isn't on their side because it's like a massive government is telling

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you what religion to, uh, to follow.

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So he should be on the pagan side.

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You would think he'd be on the pagan side being like, well, I don't want the government

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telling me what God to worship.

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That's a good point.

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You know, when it starts then getting lighter after that, uh, all saints eve is on the date

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of when they celebrate going in, uh, to the winter out of the fall.

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I mean, they have all of these, they're all on key occult dates all over Europe, all over

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the Mediterranean again, right into Asia.

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You're looking at this backwards and they hide them in plain view.

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The bunny rabbit is the fertility symbol.

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The egg is the fertility symbol for his star.

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No, both of them.

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Uh, the Babylonian goddess of fertility was worshiped all over in a different names.

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Every culture has a fertility goddess.

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This is all pre Christianity stuff.

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And you know, the symbol of this church is with the big shilling period.

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That is the male phallus and, and, and that is the Martian monument.

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They'll give you a tour, tell you that it is a giant male member.

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Uh, the, uh, the, uh, to scale our women's bread Washington's Dick, uh, the doorways

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into them.

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I'm not going to go any further.

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This is mainstream architecture, mainstream historical temple priestess.

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You don't get a tour of the Washington monument or of the Texas monument or the goddess on

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top of the Texas Capitol.

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They're very point blank about it.

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And that's because predating Christianity and then really taking over Judaism, uh, under

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a Solomon, the son of King David, you know, the star of David, do you know what that is?

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That's the most powerful and occult black magic.

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That is the most powerful symbol.

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If you read the old Testament, Solomon couldn't put the genie or the demon back in the bottle.

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And so he, God gave him that symbol to have total control over devils.

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I'm not saying this is real or not telling you the history.

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So the star of David is a black magic symbol.

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Uh, none of it is not really the seal of Solomon.

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See, nothing you've been told is what it really is.

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So they openly call each other.

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What you're saying is you run around talking about, uh, Jesus.

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And if you actually look in the Roman annals, it's three months off from when he was actually

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crucified.

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I got to shut this down.

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He rambles for a long time and gets into like, why does the sun look red when you look at

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it?

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It's dust.

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It's dust.

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It's a lens effect.

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It looks, uh, shut up.

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But you see, you get what I'm saying.

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He's just rambling from topic to topic.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Whatever it is.

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Anything that he can think of in that moment that you're wrong about, he'll just throw

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out there.

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And guess what?

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The historical record that he's talking about, about Jesus being crucified, isn't the Jesus

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that we're talking about.

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Like, that's just another guy named Jesus who got crucified back then.

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That's Jesus Travalfaz.

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They crucified a lot of people back then and the Jesus that he's referring to from the

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histories of like Josephus and other historians from back then is not the Jesus that Christianity

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is based around.

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There were a bunch of Jesuses.

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It was, uh, it was not a singular name.

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Well chances are the Jesus that they're talking about is an amalgam of different characters.

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That's what most people believe.

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It's not even like a real thing.

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From what I understand from talking to religious studies professors, uh, not, not my dad necessarily,

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but uh, there, the historical Jesus belief is that there's two Jesuses who've been conflated.

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The one that Alex is referencing was just a guy named Jesus who got crucified.

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And then there was a hippie rabbi, also named Jesus, slightly different time periods, don't

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quite match up perfectly, who all the sayings are attributed to.

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And history, history, and especially Dan, you know what I hear?

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Especially Paul.

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Paul is particularly guilty of this because he was the one who wrote all those goddamn

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letters that ended up starting all these churches and, uh, like in Ephesus and Corinth, uh,

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and that bastard, his, his, uh, work, uh, probably had a lot to do with the conflation

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of the two.

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Yeah.

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So I don't know, but whatever Alex is talking about isn't accurate.

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What I'm hearing is a prince in the pauper situation that is already, what do you mean?

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Uh, why, why, why would you have a hippie rabbi?

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Why would that come about?

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No way would that happen then?

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Do you know what it was?

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Yeah, I would.

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It was some random Jesus.

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There were a lot of them.

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It was some random Jesus who was walking around and they, he met this other guy named Jesus.

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They looked a lot of like twins.

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They were twins.

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Right.

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All right.

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Jesus had a secret twin.

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Okay.

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They switch clothes and live out their lives and it turns out, this is a real morality

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tale.

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Okay.

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It turns out that the rabbi, if he didn't have his robes, he would have just been a

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criminal and that's what he became.

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Okay.

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If Jesus, if he had just had rabbi robes, he would have been Jesus.

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See?

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Right.

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This makes perfect sense.

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Makes total sense.

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I think I've, I think I've nailed this.

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I've, I think I've just finally got to the bottom of the Jesus.

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All you need to do is add in an explanation for why the sun looks red sometimes.

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Right, right, right.

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We're there.

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We're perfect.

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I was going to switch to a King Ralph.

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Uh, but no.

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Can't do that.

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That's a great morality tale.

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Yeah.

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Can't fit that one in there.

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So in this next clip Alex rambles more about goddess worship.

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Just be aware of it.

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I'm not saying you're going to hell if you put out some Easter eggs.

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Just, just realize it is a pagan ritual and the, uh, a cultist, you know, they openly

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laugh about it and say, look at all these idiots out here.

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They're practitioners of this.

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Never seen the movie, uh, drag net with, uh, Tom Hanks and Dan Ackroyd.

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It's really funny and notice it's the local preachers devil worshiper.

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Well, that is how it actually works.

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The cops, the drug dealer, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the big mega church pastor, he's

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the high priest, uh, locally generally, hundreds of cults that usually around all of them.

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And that's just how it works.

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Dragnet reveals the church and they've got the big steeple.

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That's always been true.

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So here he's saying that if you have a big steeple on a church, what does that mean?

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Oh, that's a big Dick.

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You're all in there.

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It's, it's a, it's a, uh, that means that, that this is a patriarchal religion.

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You see the religion has a dome.

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It's goddess worship.

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I'd like to ask you like a rock of the dome.

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Yeah.

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Like mosques.

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Like what are we talking about?

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So Alex's whole idea about oppressing women is thrown on his face.

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I think Islam being about oppressing women is kind of against his weird esoteric nonsense

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that he's rambling about.

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Now churches, the Dick, they got domes on, uh, on, uh, on, on mosques.

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Goddess worship.

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Uh, you know, uh, uh, yeah, it makes sense.

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Domes domes.

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All of the domes are diaphragm around.

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Let me tell you another little esoteric secret.

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Wherever you find a war Memorial at a Capitol or anywhere else, look around you.

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Let's say you're walking along next time you see for the 5,000 dead in the cavalry battalion

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of whatever from civil war, stop and go, wait, there'll be a goddess looking and look around

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you go to you.

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You will see within a hundred yards up on top of big pillar, there will be a goddess

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and she'll have her hand outstretched towards the sacrifice.

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This is all over the world wherever or vice versa.

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You're driving along and you see a goddess on top of a pillar or you see it on top of

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a Capitol or you see at a university, go and stand in front of her and then look and within

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about a hundred degrees in front of her.

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So a lot of yards, a lot of courtyard or a lot of courtrooms, they'll have like a lady

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Liberty, you know, there's a goddess in the courtroom because she demands injustice.

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Oh boy.

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What?

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I mean, this is just such nonsense.

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This is the thinnest shit in the world.

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The idea within a hundred yards, no, that's, but that's, that makes perfect sense.

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Within a football field, there'll be a statue of a goddess.

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Now are we talking square footage or are we talking radial?

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But look at, I mean like think about it.

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It has to be radial by the way, but I think it's so dumb.

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Like most places that there are memorials are probably graveyards or some sort of big

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monument and the idea that there would be some sort of statue, a goddess does not, that's

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right in line with that stuff.

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It's not, it does not to me ring of like some esoteric order being like the goddess demands

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blood.

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That's how Alex sees it and that's interesting.

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You know, in a wedge, in a wedge shape fanning out in front of her, generally straight in

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front of her, there will be a sacrifice.

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They will put a dead war memorial in front of her.

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She needs blood.

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And so the practitioners of this religion, they had to be secretive about their Mithra

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cults and their Ishtar cults and the rest of it.

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So are there eulogic cults, cults, remember even ABC news admits that the Bush's were

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worshiped eulogia, the Greek goddess, uh, at, you see, and if you study Hitler, he worshiped

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the goddess and uh, this is just what they did.

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So I hope I've answered your question.

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You haven't.

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Um, wait, wait, wait, wait, what would, what would that have been the answer of a question?

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I don't even remember what the caller asked.

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What question is that an answer?

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Well, I mean, I think the caller was talking about, can I put out eggs because at the beginning

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of the clip he says, you're not going to hell if you put out eggs.

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What question could be answered with Hitler worshiped a goddess?

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That sounds right.

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So, um, do you know about the Greek goddess eulogia?

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No.

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You couldn't cause she doesn't exist.

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Uh, well that's what happened.

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Neither do WMDs in Iraq in 2003 because they were worshiping a God that didn't exist.

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Crack the code.

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Yep.

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Um, so eulogia is a fake goddess that was created by the skull and bones and they're

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uh, in trying to create a mythology around themselves when they first started and it's

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very dumb.

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But I mean, the more you look into like the beginning of the skull and bones, the more

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you realize like it's just a lot of dudes who didn't get into another frat and then

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they started something really weird and it's gaudy and death.

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What is it with, anytime a weird repressed white dudes get together, you get some weird

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shit like, uh, like the, like the KKK, like grand dragons and all of that shit.

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And you're like, guys, you're, you're Amway for racist, like, come on, why are you doing

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wizards and grand dragons and all that shit?

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Well, I mean, even like Alex breaking into Bohemian Grove, that stuff is like just repressed

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old white dudes getting weird with a, a showpiece play in the middle of the woods.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I'm not sure exactly what it is, but I do kind of identify with like, if you're really

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rich and powerful, you probably get bored and you know, that sort of pageantry is probably

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like, eh, spices it up, let's go, you know, maybe go do some gay stuff in the woods for

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a little bit.

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That sounds like a good weekend.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's probably much less mysterious than we, uh, our, our brains like to make it out

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to be in the same way that skull and bones, all of that stuff, like about jacking off

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in coffins and stuff like that, it's probably not true.

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Or if it is, it's just weird dudes jerking off and finding an excuse to do it in front

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of their buddies.

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And more likely than not, what the reality is, is like, Hey, these weird fucking dudes

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back in like the 1800s, they couldn't get into other prestigious frats and like orders

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at, uh, what was it?

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Yale?

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I think probably.

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Who cares?

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Burn them both down.

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Right.

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And so they just got together, created some fucking weird and they're probably nerds.

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And so they're like, eh, let's do something as death, death stuff.

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Yeah.

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They watched, they read a little bit too much Tolkien, but the Silmarillion, not the good

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shit.

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Right.

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So that influenced them.

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And they created this weird thing and now we all have to pay the price cause people

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scream about it all the time.

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Um, anyway, stop creating weird shit, old white dudes.

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Eulogia does not exist.

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Um, anyway, so we have one more clip, uh, to play because this, this show is not like,

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he just talks about Ishtar through most of it and it's like, okay, you can't beat that

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drum too hard, but he says something towards the end of the show and this is how he exits.

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And I have a lot to say about it because it's, there's a lot of problems.

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Just like our government used Al Qaeda to attack the Serbs on the Serbs fought back,

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they handed customer over to Serbs, you didn't know the history, go research it.

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That's a Senate report on that.

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I want to explain this again to you very, very slowly.

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Our criminal government created Al Qaeda.

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They use them to attack the Serbs.

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Now they're using them to attack the Iranians, but that isn't enough for our criminal media

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and government corporate controlled media.

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They then come out and say that Iran is funding Al Qaeda and that Iran was behind 9-11 and

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that Iran is attacking Iraq with Al Qaeda.

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It's the opposite group.

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They're at war with the CIA and Al Qaeda.

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Now, I'm not saying they're good.

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All governments are evil.

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The history shows you that.

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The point is Al Qaeda is run by our criminal government.

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That's a historical fact.

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The hijackers were all US government agents.

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It's all documented in my films, prisonplanet.com.

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God bless you.

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See you live next Sunday and back tomorrow live.

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So that's how he ends the show.

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With 9-11 was an inside job?

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Yeah.

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That's a great way to end a show.

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It's all documented in my films, blah, blah, blah.

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But it's not...

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Also, it was the Saudis.

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Right, but his films are also not accurate.

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What?

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So the two things that I want to say is, first, that mentality of all governments are bad

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is really, I think, what more is motivating Alex.

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All the militia stuff and everything, he's really an anti-government guy.

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Yeah.

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And it's weird that now he's pro-Trumpian government.

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But be that as it may, I think that that really sums him up in terms of his politics.

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He's not a libertarian or anything like that, except in as much as that libertarians want

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almost no government.

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But...

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Highest authority in the land is the local sheriff, Dan.

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Absolutely.

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That's just a true fact.

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So he's talking about Al-Qaeda being used to start things off in Serbia.

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And it just so happens that I have recently been reading this book.

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It's called The Trigger, Hunting the Assassin Who Brought the World to War.

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It's about the guy named Gavrilo Princip.

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Who killed Prince...

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Franz Ferdinand.

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Yeah, Franz Ferdinand.

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To start World War I.

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Yeah, that dude.

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That fucking dick.

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The reality is, in the 90s, there was an Islamic faction from out of the country called... There

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was a Mujahideen in Bosnia.

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But the way Alex is presenting this is really fucked up.

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I'm just going to read to you a passage here from this book that I read recently.

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I'm like, oh wow, this is very relevant.

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The Mujah from Bosnia were highly secretive during the war, but while I was researching

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this book, I made a breakthrough by tracking down one of the foreign Muslim fighters.

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It turned out that he grew up a few miles from my hometown.

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Shaheed Butt was just two years older than me, born in Birmingham to parents originally

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from Pakistan.

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Working as a reporter, I had first seen him in a Yemeni court in 1999 after he had been

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arrested and charged with terrorist activities committed in Aden, his Brummie accent being

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memorably out of place in the far edge of Arabia.

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It would be more than a decade before I was able to sit down and talk to him about Bosnia

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at a cake shop serving Arabic tea and pastries in a Birmingham suburb with a particularly

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strong Islamic community.

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The thing you have to remember is that when I was growing up in Britain in the 1970s,

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we had a difficult sense of our nationality, he said.

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This was a time when the streets around my home would have walls painted with APL and

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huge letters that stood for Anti-Paki League, and all through my teenage years, people like

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me were being abused in the streets, getting beaten up, having dogs set on us, that sort

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of thing.

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Back then, just leaving your front door could get you in trouble.

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When I left school, all I wanted to do was serve as a soldier.

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I wanted to be a Royal Marine, right?

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It was the time of the Falklands War, and the Royal Marines were the best of the best,

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all over the telly and in the papers.

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So I went to a recruitment office and asked to join the Royal Marines.

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You know what they told me?

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They said, we cannot have you because you're a fat Paki.

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So do you know what I did for the next year?

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I ran around the streets near my home in boots with a rucksack full of bricks, and I went

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back to the recruitment office 12 months later and asked to join the Royal Marines again.

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This time, you know what they said?

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Well, you're not a fat Paki anymore, but you're still a Paki.

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In the early 90s, he started to attend mosques where some of the first radical clerics were

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beginning to preach.

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It was around this time when the war in Bosnia began, and he watched video cassettes showing

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Bosnian Muslim victims of the war.

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Quote, it's very confusing to begin with, to see these Muslims with blue eyes and blond

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hair.

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It was not like anything I had seen before, but it was very traumatic, overwhelming, you

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know, just to learn that people were suffering like this just because they were Muslims.

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He joined an aid convoy arranged through his local mosque that sent out two coaches from

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Britain full of supplies intended for Bosnia, with the plan of bringing back refugees.

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It ended in chaos as the vehicle got no further than Zagreb in Croatia and was unable to cross

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the border into the war zone.

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Quote, there were these guys who were meant to have organized this.

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I said to them, you said you were going to do one thing and you end up doing another.

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We fell out.

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It was useless.

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So after some prayer, I joined up with a guy from London who had a van full of supplies,

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and we managed to drive into Bosnia.

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I had never been out of Birmingham, and there I was all of a sudden in a war zone.

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We gave out the food.

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There were lines and lines of people, and they took it all, and that's where it came

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into my head.

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The media likes to say a Muslim like me only fights because we're some kind of crazed psychotic,

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but it was not like that.

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I went to Bosnia to bring humanitarian help, and after the aid ran out, what other humanitarian

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help could I give apart from protecting them?

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These people could not protect themselves, and that's how I could help.

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I would fight.

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My mate with the van went crazy.

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It's not like it is in the films, he said.

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Are you for real?

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How are you going to fight?

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You don't know anyone here, and you don't have any weapons.

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He went on and on trying to talk me out of it, but I had made up my mind.

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I wrote a letter to my wife, which he took with him, and then he was off in his van,

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and I sat there, six o'clock in the morning, the sun still rising, next to the road in

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a town called Travnik.

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So he gets picked up by a guy at the side of the road, and he ends up joining the mujahideen

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forces, and so he mostly is training and training, but on a few occasions, they were real fighting.

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I don't want to say I was a hero or anything, but the times I took part in attacks, which

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were really heavy.

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Yeah, guys on either side of me getting hit, that sort of thing.

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I saw myself as a traditional mujahideen.

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I was a fighter, sure, but I was fighting to help the oppressed, to protect them against

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an aggressor.

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It was a noble act, and one that I would do again.

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But these guys who take part in suicide attacks, they're not true mujahideen.

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They're killing innocent people, and for me, that makes no sense at all, from any point

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of view.

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It makes no sense from a religious point of view, as it's not part of my religion, and

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it makes no sense from a military point of view, a strategic perspective.

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How are you going to win the hearts and minds of people if you kill people who are not involved?

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Bosnia's role in the evolution of modern jihad has largely been overlooked, but in Shaheed,

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I had found an example of what can happen when the anger of young people is ignored.

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Western politicians who stood by when the worst atrocities of the Bosnian war took place,

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ethnic cleansing, death camps, genocide, inadvertently provided Islamic militants with a rallying

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cry they would later use to justify acts of terrorism.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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Yeah.

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There's another passage, a really short one, that I think really sums up some stuff that

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I just want to grab here real quick.

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This is a quote from another guy that he was traveling with, the author here, Tim Butcher.

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He was traveling with an interpreter, and he's describing what they ended up experiencing

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because he lived through the war in the 90s, and he was a Serbian Muslim who were, largely

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speaking...

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I know there's a lot of ins and outs and difficulties in terms of the Croats and the Muslims.

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There's a lot of complication in terms of what caused the worst parts of the Bosnian

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war in the 90s.

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Spoiler alert, it was Slobodan Milosevic.

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But this guy was a Bosnian Muslim in those times, and this quote really stuck with me.

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And then all this shit comes along in the 90s.

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Suddenly it matters if you're a Muslim or a Croat.

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That stuff had been parked for years, for decades.

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Those people who said, these people have always hated each other were just being lazy.

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In my own life, I saw people from different communities work together, live together,

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get married even.

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There was nothing inevitable about what happened in the 90s.

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It was just that a few, the extremists, the elite, the greedy, saw nationalism as a way

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to grab what they wanted.

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Ha.

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Ha.

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Yeah.

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Ha.

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Ha.

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That's such the same story that you hear from, like, yeah, if you want to go to Germany in

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1937, you go back and you hear those stories of like, we lived perfectly well next to all

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of our Jewish neighbors, and then one day it was like, no Jews allowed.

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And so many people just will go along with it.

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Right.

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Like the hatred and...

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Scapegoating in the name of nationalism.

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Yeah, everything I've read about that particular conflict always goes back to that situation.

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And then after the war ends, which, you know, its ending is up for debate.

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Right.

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But it was like, everybody tried to just forget, you know, like, oh, that wasn't me, that wasn't

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part of me.

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I never hated you guys.

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Right.

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Because you have to try and live together again.

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Like that's why...

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It's the experience that he runs into, this Tim Butcher, as he's writing, essentially

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what he does is he's writing a travelogue trying to follow the footsteps of Gavrilo

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Princip from a small town to Sarajevo.

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Right.

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And, you know, he runs into Croats and Muslims, and along the way, everybody is kind of, like,

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almost, it seems like there's almost confusion about what ended up happening.

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Yeah.

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Because it's very difficult to look in the face the reality of what you can be caught

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up in.

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Right.

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And the importance of that, I believe, is first of all, Alex is fucking lying about

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Al-Qaeda being used to start the war in Serbia in the 90s.

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Right.

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That's horseshit.

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Yeah, that's absolutely nonsense.

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But beyond that, the greater truths of what happened there are so applicable to modern

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time, and they would be such a good lesson for Alex to learn, especially seeing that

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the guy who he really is in favor of in 2018 is presiding over one of the worst instances

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of racial scapegoating that we've seen maybe in our lifetimes for sure.

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The idea of the ramping up of ICE deportations, the attempts at pinpointing every single Hispanic

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voter in various places to prove the voting rolls, the idea of posting and publicizing

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immigrant crimes.

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Those sorts of things are all the steps that you will find if you look deeper into the

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history of schisms that end up taking place, like what happened in 1930s Germany, like

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what happened in the lead up to the war in Serbia in the 90s.

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These sorts of things that you're talking about, when people just break and they're

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like, I used to be fine with my Jewish neighbor and now I'm not, they don't happen mysteriously

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like, it's not like you wake up one day and you hate your neighbor.

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People teach you to hate your neighbor.

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And those are the steps that people take to get you to hate your neighbor.

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And it's fascinating to me and very depressing.

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Well and the story he tells is the story of terrorism and miniature.

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Like the, this guy was attempting to do good, obviously, he was going out there doing everything

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he could to try and help people who the Western governments just watched die, you know?

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Like that's a whole nother foreign policy question that you can have, like what's the

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correct way to do all of that stuff?

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Shahid's an example of the more realistic story of the beginnings of radicalization

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often.

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Thankfully for him and the world, I guess, he didn't end up going down some sort of I'm

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going to bomb people route, but you understand how easily that can get flipped.

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Oh, of course.

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The wrong influence, the wrong person in your ear could be the difference between someone

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who goes trying to give humanitarian aid, who decides to fight to protect the oppressed,

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and the guy who straps a bomb on.

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That's not, but that's not the initial inciting factor.

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I mean the inciting factor is complete oppression, or just, and I've said this before, and you

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know what, if you want to talk about horrible shit that the government has done, killing

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one and a half million civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and everywhere we fucking drone

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bomb people is definitely on par.

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It's definitely on par with great murder towns.

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Like we're not the good guys.

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And the same thing is true there with terrorism of we send a drone bomb to get a terrorist

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and wind up killing 20 people around them.

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And you know what, you're one of those kids who survives and you look and you go, great,

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you killed the terrorist, you also killed my family.

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I hate you.

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Who's bad?

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You killed my family.

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Like I'm going to be like, I would absolutely see why people become suicide bombers and

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become terrorists is because fucking you killed my family.

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You know, like I'm, I totally get it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I, in terms of understanding it or, or if you want to go with, if you want to go with

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the Saudi terrorists who perpetrated 9-11, if you want to go through there, that goes

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back.

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Yeah.

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No, that's in the, no, no, no.

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That's those are the pages.

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I understand, I understand that.

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Are we not allowed to say that?

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No, I, I, I understand.

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Are we going to get fatwad?

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No, I understand that.

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And that's fine.

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But I, I just am wondering the direction you're going to go with rationalizing 9-11.

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No, no, no.

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What I'm saying is the reasoning, the reasoning behind it is America's actions protecting

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Israel and doing all of those different things and using military force to do so.

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Like there, you go back to why these great acts of terrorism happen and you find that

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it's oftentimes just a constant tit for tat going back and back and back.

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Like it's not like, it's not like 9-11 happened because they hated our freedoms.

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Right.

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And it's not like any of this stuff happens because Muslims are crazy or anything like

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that.

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And it, it, the re, I think maybe more eloquent way to put what you're saying is that the,

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the results that you see always have a cause and the cause is generally trauma and it's,

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it's directed trauma, you know, it's, it's in the same way that seeing your, like your

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town blown up by a drone or whatever would create, it's, it's.

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It would definitely make you susceptible to somebody saying that you can do something

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about it.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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You're a young man.

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There's a, there's a causation glitch that we have in society.

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And I mean, we can go back and forth and constantly bicker and argue about like, you know, Hey,

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well we wouldn't have droned that village if there wasn't that terrorist we were looking

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for there.

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Right.

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And then you can play out like, what was that terrorists beginning?

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Oh, he had some other atrocity befall him and like, well, why did that happen?

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Because we were fighting X, Y, and Z and he could go back to the root of it.

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But I genuinely think that, um, I don't know, I think a more productive path would be to

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recognize that we are the ones who can change things much more effectively by stopping doing

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that.

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Well, that's, that's the thing.

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If you wanted, if you wanted none of this to happen, I think ultimately the, if you

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go back in time, if there was one thing to change about 9-11, it would be immediately

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afterwards if we actually said as a country, like we forgive you, like for real, like if

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we just said, you know what, fine, we're going to build it back up the exact same way.

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Yeah, that would have, that would really hurt the country charts though.

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It would have murdered, like the entire country would have gone insane, but that's the only

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way really to stop that circle of violence.

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That's really what it is.

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I'm not entirely sure, but you might be right.

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That's why I think that as far as nuclear war goes, eventually somebody is going to

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drop one.

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And I think the only way to stop everybody from dying is for the government to go like,

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that's that.

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You can't do anything.

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I don't know.

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It's a tough conversation that's full of all sorts of vagaries and who knows.

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But anyway, we've got to wrap it up, you've got to show it tonight.

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Where the sun rises in the east, pray six times a day to not, wait no, is that not what

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we're doing?

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Nope.

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I'm going to say for the, I want to, I'm going to name one, me, because of my being too nice

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to Alex Jones at the beginning of the show.

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Well then Dan, go fuck yourself.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.